A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (Season 1 Episode 2) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #394

0:24 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Anthony and Dina, and we are discussing episode 2 of A Night of the Seven Kingdoms. Listen from the top of the episode, I forgot how I forgot about the gratuitous nudity that comes with Game of Thrones shows. Like you think that after the first episode I was prepared for some in my face stuff, but I was not quite prepared for how in my face it got in the top of the second episode.

1:07 Hey, great. Game of Thrones has always been good about equal opportunity. That's true. That's I will say that about them. They don't care. That is true. But I mean, my goodness, give us some warning next time. Like your warning was his booty, his booty peeking out the door before he turned around. OK, but here's the thing. Seeing his ass was not a bit. I was like, OK, so they I'm literally sitting here thinking like, OK, so they're going to show us a little male frontal nudity. OK, whatever. When he turned around, I had I was like, wait, I was I was not ready. I think that's the best way to I was not ready.

1:49 I I wasn't, it was just I I started singing in my head like, does your thing hang low? Doesn't want to. Oh. God, yes, we're going to behave like little 12 year olds, right? Yeah, for sure. I just, yeah, I, I was not expecting that. And then it's like, you see this while Dunk is having his, I guess at this point Dunk is talking to the different Lords of the different houses, trying to get someone to remember him so they will vouch for him and list that had to have been like right before he passed because you see him looking at the injury that he has on his arm, which I was like, he probably died from the injury and not just from whatever coffee developed from the rain. He probably had some kind of blood poisoning or something because that wound was just opened and I was like, why are they not fixing that?

2:46 Why are they not treating that? Or I don't know, something about that whole wound was just it was it, but. Yeah, he probably couldn't, couldn't. He probably couldn't afford the treatment for it. That's true, which is also kind of sad because when you're hearing all of the stuff that that Dunk is saying about Sir Arlen, especially at the top of this episode, it's kind of like this man was honorable. He was selfless. He was, you know, all the things that that Dunk said about him. He look, I actually took notes this time. He said he's a true knight, but he was different from other men.

3:28 He had peaceful, he had a peaceful nature. He was quiet, he was humble. He was a veteran of 100 wars, enemy to none always knew what was expected of him. He never complained. He was always a benefit of people around him. And I was like, you would think somebody who is of that caliber would be remembered more. And then I thought about what you said. I think you said this in the last episode, Anthony. And then it's kind of sort of related to what Dunk says towards the end of this episode. He was like, he was this night that nobody remembers. And it's like, you know, this is a man who taught me to be honorable, but all of these so-called noble people didn't even bother to remember who he was. And I think that's so sad.

4:13 I mean, at the end of the day, he was a hedge. Like, I mean, they, they're not going to commit him to memory. I'm sorry I started the episode. I know, no, I was Chris in the background, but I mean, and and I I get that, but I guess at the same time it's kind of like even the one who who was it? Bulbarian because Dundarian, because Dundarian was like, we hired 800 hedge Knights for that. So I'm not going to realize that he's a. House Tyrell, when he went to go talk to him, he said you were the one who told him that the hedge Knights were the bridge between the Lords and the small folk.

5:01 Something that specific, unless it's something you're saying to everybody you're coming across, that should at least trigger a memory. And I feel like what Egg said to him later, he said it's almost like they're not really listening to you. It's like they look at Dunk. They, they basically they're making a judgement based on his appearance. They're making a judgement based on the way he speaks. And they're just like, OK, I'm not even going to bother with him. And that's probably how they treated Sir Arlen. It's probably how they treat hedge Knights. They don't. They're not Lords. It's not they they're not not sworn to anybody. So what's the point of trying to remember who they are? You don't get anything out of it other than a sword if you hire them. Yeah.

5:43 So you can reading things that there. Were like higher level people who they didn't even remember that were fighting that same things. So they don't care? Yeah. Right. Like if you were, if you were a Targaryen but you're like 15th in line, everyone would know who you are because you're a Targaryen. But if you're entire real and you're 15th in line, nobody cares. Nobody cares. Yeah. Yeah. But I just, you know, I also wonder if that's the reason why Arlen treated Dunk the way he did. Because Dunk continuously says that Arlen treated him like a member of his family, that he was good to him, that he taught him to be an honorable man. But of course, all of the recollections we see of him, it looks a little more harsh.

6:35 And I wonder if, you know, and I think Dunk also says towards the end, he was like, you know, he was a hard man to get to know. I wonder if maybe he treated Dunk like that just because he wanted Dunk to understand what to expect as far as how other people were going to treat him. You know what I'm saying? Unfortunately, in this world, if you treat somebody with kindness, if you treat them with respect, obviously it doesn't really get you anywhere. Because like you said, Sir Arlen was almost 60 years old. He had been ahead tonight for so long, served all of these different houses, was noble, was honorable. And nobody remembers him, you know, except for the the one person who did.

7:19 And we'll talk about, we'll talk about the Targaryens later, but. The, the, the thing I think about sometimes is especially with this story is like in the book, he I think banking was maybe 6 or 7 when Sir Arlen found him. They meant that Arlen Sir. Arlen was almost 50 and had never had a squad before and he probably saw opportunity to start and also have someone to help take care of him because. No, he had a Squire. His nephew was his squad. Yeah, but he was killed. Got killed. Yeah, got killed. But he was, he's probably really looking for someone to help because he knew he was going to.

8:06 He was getting old. He was going to need help, so he couldn't. We're better than to start with this. He he was probably already big for his age. Yeah, he probably didn't. Yeah, he. Yeah. He probably didn't really know how old he was. He. Had a 14 year old 'cause he was 18. Tolerant. Yeah, yeah. 'Cause you're in the book. He's 611 now and he's supposed to be 1617. 16 I think he is in the book. He's 611. That's crazy. Now just for him being tall he just it seems like he would just pick on him.

8:49 They just he automatically just pick on him and say things to him like he won't kill. Like this big old man he looked real big strapping and strong and y'all just talking smack me like he won't step on your face. Right that's the thing I was thinking of too. Like y'all keep talking so disrespectful to this guy, like, and I don't, I don't know if it's just that they're looking at the way he looks in the face because if you look at him in the face, if you look at kind of I will even go so far as to say the way that he stands, the way he postures himself, He doesn't look threatening. You know what I'm saying? So maybe that's the vibe that they're getting off of. He he he doesn't give off a threatening vibe. Yeah, I think that's what Lionel Bratting was kind of alluding to.

9:35 Like you need to carry yourself. Yeah. Like. Tall, but not only that use your presence, you know and and I think even egg in this in this episode he's talking to him he was like why do you let these these Lords treat you like they're your betters and he was like they are my betters and then he's like I mean he's like that. No, you. It's like the mouth. You need to start acting like a knight. The mountain The mountain was nearly 8 feet tall in the book. No one looked at him or treated him like he was stupid. Right, right. The hound was like 6768, no one treated him like that also.

10:15 His face was messed up but. Well, yeah, I was going to say he the the face kind of, you know, helped with the hound, but. But they carried themselves like they were dangerous. Ran of Tarth. She carried herself like she was dangerous. She's. A knight. Baby, Yeah, no one, no one really. I mean, they, they had their reservations about her, but they never say anything really to her face. And then, well, damn, you're big, you know? Yeah, that's a. Huge. That is true. Two things I wanted to know about this episode before we get into like the the meat and potatoes of it. I'm noticing and I noticed this with House of the Dragon Light. The first episode we didn't get an intro, but we got it in the second episode.

11:07 This one we still don't have an intro. No. And I'm like, OK, I know they're doing things a little different, but this is, it's weird to me that we don't have, we don't have an intro, we don't have a like the theme song. It's just, I guess it's another way that it's kind of saying it's Game of Thrones, but it's not Game of Thrones. But it's just weird to me. Also, I did not realize these episodes were so short. Yeah, they're very short by comparison. Like the first episode I think was like 40 something minutes. And that was I was like, OK, that's probably average. If you if you think about the fact that usually when we watch TV, they have like commercials or whatever.

11:49 This one was only 34 minutes. And I know when it got to the end and the credit started rolling, I was like, wait, what already? Yeah, Does this short to anybody else? And then I looked at it and it said 34 minutes. I said wait, so you giving us 6 episodes that are right around the half hour, quarter hour mark. I was like y'all could have just made this a movie. I mean, I was thinking about that too. Like they probably, I'll do like the season finale, like longer. Like you know how they would stretch out Game of Thrones for the longer stuff, the longer battles. They might do that, but it is so short because I'm just like, I'm just getting into the flow and it's pretty much over, right? I kind of like it because it has like a sitcom feel to it, yeah. I know so.

12:41 I don't, I don't mind as much, especially knowing, knowing the story, the story pretty quickly when you're reading it. So I like this this sort of different approach then like the House of Dragon where they stretched, they stretched the story as much as they could. We're here like we're just going to give you the story. We're not going to do any stretching. Like they left out the whole, I don't know if they're going to do it in the next episode. They left out the whole explanation of how the games work like they didn't. They did they? I don't, Yeah. They didn't even explain anything about the Champions and how the challenges work.

13:25 They left. They just cut all that out. Yeah. You know, the only thing they talked about is if you lose, you lose your arms, your armor and all this stuff for the. Ransom. Yeah, you can get it back by paying a ransom. And like, even when I'm thinking a book, when they ask him, well, we can let you win, but if you lose all your stuff, do you have the money to get it back? They actually they asked him that in there too, bar he says that he doesn't have it or whatever. I think I asked him that in the first episode. I think the master, the master of games said something to him about that. So yeah, it's, it's not a straightforward explanation. And maybe just for times sake, they, they're kind of like, OK, if you're, if you're familiar with the Game of Thrones universe, because again, I don't, I'm not sure that there will be a lot of people who will be watching this if they're not familiar with, but you kind of know what the attorneys are like. And this is just kind of like a that on a smaller scale with I think more participants because I don't remember any of the other attorneys starting out with like 10 people. Amazing at the same.

14:34 Time I was like, what is happening? And and it was like I was trying to follow it because you have all of these people, but of course they also did not introduce us to who each person was. It's kind of like throughout the two episodes, they're like, oh, this person is in the list and this person is in the list, but there's also rounds. Everybody's not in the same round. So yeah, I think they could have done with a little bit more explanation, but maybe they'll do that in the third episode because I know a lot of a lot of the, I should say, big stuff is probably going to happen in the third episode and the fourth episode. So they're probably explain that once you start kind of maybe localizing the the list as far as like, OK, with this person is about to go against this person and you start to see a little bit of the conflicts come in the personal conflict.

15:29 So maybe they'll do that a little bit more in the third episode. All I have to say is if anybody is starting off with this show and they have not watched Game of Thrones or even House of the Dragons, don't go back and try to watch it now because this show is going to lead you astray. I just want you to know that. The vibe is totally, totally different, Yeah. But I have noticed on social media, like on, I've been on threads a little bit more lately, there are a lot of people who are starting the Game of Thrones journey for the first time right now. Yeah. So I miss those days. So they're like, they're excited. You know, one person just finally got to the Red Wedding and she was like, what the fuck did I watch? I'm like, oh, welcome to all of our trauma. We have cookies and milk, you know. Oh.

16:18 Yeah, trauma binding, crying and screaming. Oh my. God, yes. But OK, let's get into some of the other things because we get introduced to quite a few Targaryens in this episode. And I literally, like I said, I did go and make some notes because all of the names, first of all, I need the Targaryens to get a little more creative with the names. Because. Good grief, trying to keep track of who is who. This is this person, this person, this person which Aegon is this which Oh my God. So just to go over the the kind of family tree of the people that we've either seen so far or heard about so far in this particular episode. So right now, this is the rule of Daron the second. Who is Daron the Good?

17:12 He is the son of Aegon the Second, grandson of Viserys the Second. Who is Damon and Rainier's son. And I don't think we're giving any House of the Dragon spoilers away because we knew that Damon and Rainier had a son named Viserys, so. Well, that that actually does kind of spoil who wins between the greens and the blacks. Not necessarily, doesn't. No, no, because the way that the way they go back and forth with the with the conflicts and stuff. No, I don't. I don't think it does at, at at some point because, because you may think one thing about the green and blacks and then the next generation may have done something to switch The Who, who was on the throne or the generation after that.

17:58 Again, they're on the second. They're on the good. He is Rainier and Damon's grandson. So something could have happened to change that something generation or the next generation or even in his generation. But we all, we all know a Targaryen is going to be on the throne regardless, at least for until Robert gets on the throne. So how the Targaryens get there? I don't think we're spoiling anything by by saying any of that. I'm just saying, and if you and, and let's be honest, if you're watching the show, you already know Targaryen history. You already know how that conflict ended and what happened after that.

18:41 So I don't think, I don't think we're being spoilery. But I don't think that's even spoilery because that alludes to a linear path and and I don't think the path is going to be that linear. I don't believe the path is that linear. So I don't think that really is spoilery like. But also, these are Targaryens. They need. To marry. So it's kind of, Oh my God, cousin, brother, uncle, cousin. Right, somebody. Got that up in this episode too. So I'm just so I'm just saying, but so the the two older gentlemen that we meet when Sir Duncan goes to like plead his case, that's Baylor Targaryen and May Car the first, who are both sons of Darren the good and they're brothers.

19:30 Baylor is the oldest May Car is the is the younger. Baylor is the nice 1. He is the one who like is is nice to dunk. He's the one who remembers Sir Arlen. He's the one who gives dunk. You know, his his kind of his blessing to say, yeah, you can answer. You can answer the list. I'm cool with it. Makar is the one that's a little bit more of an asshole. They kind of remind me of the Saris and and Damon. As far as you have one that's very level headed and then the next one is the more intemperate one. And maybe it's just because, OK, first in the line is, you know, he already knows where his position is, he's cool. And the one that's second in line, they're like, I should be the one that's the air.

20:18 You know, they they give off that that. Always despair acting the fool. Right. I think it's more about despair. Acting the fool, yeah. Yeah. And then also we meet, well, we kind of sort of meet Velar Targaryen. He, we see him in the list. I don't think we actually interact with him or anybody actually interacts with him. We see him in the list. And Egg is the one who tells Dunk, oh, that's who that is. He's the son of Baylor is. Anybody else wondering? This is how I know the dunk is. Seriously, seriously blind and very naive because why does this kid know everybody in Westeros? We'll get to that because our face and he's going. That's so and so.

21:08 We'll we'll get to that because because there's some other things we got to talk about it it with that the other Targaryen we meet Arian, who is who is also like he is giving off. He's giving up the Sarah's vibes. He's giving off and what Amy that? Amy. I don't even. No, I I thought the same thing, Dina. I was like, oh. He already, his nose was turned up all right. I was like, oh, no, right, right. So we meet him. We meet and what we hear about Daron and Aegon, those are the two sons who were supposed to be there who are quote UN quote missing. They've not shown up and no one knows where they are. So yes, make our sons.

22:07 So Arian, Daron and Aegon are all his children, and I think those are the only ones that have been mentioned in this particular episode or in the two episodes. So because I know he has other children, but we haven't heard anything about them yet. So it's just those. So I'm going to, I'm going to put a marker in the show notes. This is where we're going to get into a little bit of spoilery territory. So if you don't want to be spoiled or if you don't know what's going on with this show or with these characters, you may want to kind of hold off. And then once we get done talking about this, I'll bookmark that as well so you can kind of skip this part. But going back to what you just said, Dina, they have given us lots of clues in the in the 1st 2 episodes, I think as far as Egg's true identity and what you just said as far as him, all of the stuff that he knows and all of the stuff that he's telling Dunk. Like he like he literally is giving me our start with Tyrone Lannister and like he realized she was not a vogue born child because she was keeping up and she was too smart and she was even more simple.

23:22 The fact that she was saying my Lord is my Lord be Lord right and he up here, my Lords, my Lord, he proper he got girl. What he said, What did he say? He mentioned something and I said I hang out with a little Flea Bottom, tiny little. So how would he know that they don't know what these up up these upper people look like. They never saw these people, like most of those people never saw a king and queen or any of these people to know what they they look like. They might know their name and they might, you know, have to know their history to a certain degree, but they don't really know what these people look like. Right. In the book they make it even more obvious because of the scene where he's walking around with with thinking and he's naming all of the different houses. He knows all of the sigils.

24:12 He. Knows all of the Lords, of all the houses and their children. Yeah, it's like really do. And not only that, in the books they make it, they make it a point to mention his eye color because in the books, the Targaryens have purple eyes. And so they make it a point to say that Egg on has like purplish blue eyes. But again, I think what they what they're doing as far as the show goes, because in the books, Dunk automatically assumes that Egg is from Flea Bottom. He doesn't actually say are you from Flea Bottom? So Egg never has to to say, no, I'm not in the show. They actually made him specifically say, are you from Flea Bottom?

24:58 He was like, no. And then when he said I'll I'll take you back home, he said, well, you have to go all the way back to King's Landing. So it's like you're telling us he's from King's Landing, not necessarily saying he's a Targaryen, but you're all you're already telling us he is a child of noble birth, of noble birth. The other thing about that is if you notice the way he reacts when he sees certain people in the episodes, like when he sees certain Targaryens, like when he saw the when the Targaryens first came in over the bridge and he saw the flags, you know, he was like, maybe maybe I should go ahead and take the horses back to the camp.

25:41 He was like, I don't want to be around here, all of that. But it has to be the head thing because again, he looks so different from what a Targaryen, quote UN quote should look like that even the noble people who should know who he is, if he is one of their Princess, they're not paying attention to him because, you know, they're looking at his head shaved and they're probably thinking, oh, he's a sickly kid. Oh, he's, you know, he's somebody not of ill important. Plus, he's dressed kind of like a peasant, you know what I'm saying? That. But then here's the other thing. I don't think anybody would have gotten it in the first episode. But once you get in the second episode and you start having a conversation with Baylor and Makar, and they're talking about the two missing sons.

26:33 I was like, OK, And then you mentioned the sons by name, Daron and Egon. OK, Egon Egg. It's easy to make that connection. But also if you think about it, when Dunk was in the end, there was a drunk Targaryen at the table totally in his cups, totally upset or depressed about something. And then you hear you hear the two brothers talking about how Makar was forcing Darren to enter in the list. And he was like, Darren should not be in the list at all. You know, you you shouldn't have forced him. He's also what you're trying to say. Like, my son is better at drinking whores than he was.

27:14 Like, I didn't say that. But the implication is, yeah, that's what he is. But you have that Prince who was there in the end, drunk, upset, whatever, whatever. And then in the same end is where Dunk comes across Egg. It's too, it's too much of A coincidence for us not to put it together. And then again, you talk about a he knows all the sigils. He knows who these people are, the way that he talks. What other kid would be sitting in the field play fighting Thomas and Gil, your black, black fire bastard, bastard. Who else would say that?

27:57 But The thing is, Dunk is ignorant of all of that stuff because he didn't grow up and Flea Bottom, he didn't grow up in King's Landing because Sir Arlen grabbed him, took him, took him all over the country with him. So he I don't think he wouldn't know to pick up on these types of things because he probably has never been around a noble child. It to that extent to be like, oh, he know what he talking about because he's part of this. Especially if he was like Anthony said, as young as six or seven when he started, you know, squiring or started being Sir Arlen's companion, he wouldn't know.

28:42 But us, it's almost like you got a big man. Like say, hey, we got Aegon Targaryen. It's clever. How they do though, because remember we were talking about last time I was like, you know, it's interesting how he, because he automatically assumed that the little boy in the stables was her son because she said my son did this and there was a little boy. So for him, he just mashed it on up. Well, it's a little poor, little little scallywag boy and then she's a poor in lady. And so he never once considered that the son that wasn't the son. Because my thing is this, this kid ran away from his mom and you don't think nothing of it? Right, I think, I think he wants. So he did say Egg did tell him that's not my, my mother's dead. And he was like the innkeeper, like he was like, that's not your mother.

29:33 They they did have that conversation. Conversation. So yeah. I think, I think some, I think maybe, you know, Duncan is trying to model himself after Sir Arlen. So in his mind this is like him doing for Egg what Arlen did for him. So and that's all he sees. He's not seeing anything beyond that. Yeah. Please do not show us his front next episode at HBO. Please don't. He's a big man. He's a really big man. I just I couldn't handle. It but but yeah, OK, so. So I'm not going to touch that dinner at all.

30:13 I'm just not. OK, so we're going to we're going to close off the the spoilery part right here, but OK, so I want to talk about some of the other people that we come into contact with because we've already talked about the the different Targaryens. I I like Baylor. I feel like he is, you know, he's of the Targaryen blood, but again, he kind of takes after the saris in my mind. But also, if you think about who Daron the good is, I mean, they call him Daron the good. So he has to be one of the more temperamental, you know, stabley temperamental Targaryens.

30:54 And then, you know, Makor seems like he's an asshole, even even just the way he's he's talking to Dunk like or the way he's talking to The Who was the Sir Ashland or I think Lord Ashland. Lord Ashford. Yeah, Ashford, the one who's actually putting on these games, he he really does have an air of you guys are beneath me. I'm just, I'm not about to be bothered with you. And even with Duncan speaking to his brother, he's been very respectful. He's being very complimentary. And of course, Mako is probably like, I hear this shit all the time.

31:35 I'm so sick of it. Just just get out. He already, he already gave you what you want. Get out. Get out. But it's like him, Arianne. I already know. I'm not about to like these two. Yeah, they're they're about to be on that, on that Viserys. Daenerys brothers level. Like, can you please put a pot of gold on their head? Well, I don't know. They might not be that bad, but I'm not. Yeah, I'm not. I do like, I do like Baylor's costume design. He had the dragon thing right here that you're so used to seeing with Raniera and Daenerys.

32:15 It was kind of cool. Yeah. Prince of Dragonstone, so. I like him though so far he me too. Seems like a stand up guy. Me too. I mean, we got to have a couple of Targaryens that we like. And then I also like that he's a dark haired target. I noticed that. I noticed that I was like, that's interesting, but I don't again, I'm only looking at the show right now. I haven't gone back and dug into like the history of everything. Like I know that I know where his his lineage is, but I'm not going to talk about it here because of the fact that, like Anthony said, we don't know. We're going to assume that that the people who are watching the show and the show only don't know what the outcome is of, you know.

33:07 The Dancer Dragons. Team yeah, the big team of the Dancer Dragons, Team Black versus Team Green, we just know he's a Targaryen. So it it kind of again, doesn't really matter in in this particular moment where what side of the Targaryen line he came from, because they're all related anyway, for the most part. But the other people that that we meet, you have Sir Roland Craig Hall and Sir Donald of was the Duskin, who are kings guards to the Targaryens. Those are two interesting people because Sir Roland, he seems like like he's an asshole, but he's not Makar or Arian Targaryen type of asshole.

34:06 You know he. He, he's just there. He's just there doing his job. That's it. And he? Has a little bit of a snobby nose, but not enough to the point where I was like, I don't like you because the way he even when he when he talks to Dunk and Dunk sees them he was like, you know, Sir, he was like well met. You know that's what you you say that to people that you are not necessarily disrespectful of but it's just a polite way to say to A to another knight or you know someone like, hey, how you doing He could have easily been like, who the hell are you like all these other people you know are you are you Baylor Targaryen? We'll get the fuck out.

34:46 He could have he could have treated him like that. He didn't, you know, But we do know he does have a little bit of that chip because when he says what did he say? Do you ride your horses or do your horses ride you? Sir Donald was like, forgive him. He's not used to having to look up to turn his nose down. I was like, OK, so the fact that he could say it and and Sir, Sir Roland didn't even, he didn't even bat an eye. He was just like, you know, I'm just, that's just how I am or whatever. I was like, OK, he's going to be an asshole, but not like talk to your asshole. Might be one of those that I can kind of deal with.

35:27 I feel like Sir Donald, I'm going to like, because he took the time to actually have a conversation with Dunk. He was very respectful in that conversation. Because if you notice, most people are not respectful when they talk to Dunk, You know, even even the way that he said you, what did he say? You don't smell what you don't smell. House bread. House bread or something. I feel like he didn't say it in a way that was disrespectful. He was just making a point. Like, OK, you're a knight, but you're not one of these kind of Knights. You know, grew up in luxury kind of knight. Right, right. That. And that's, you know what? That's the other thing going back to egg, Sir Duncan should know. This is a clean boy.

36:10 He should know he's not. Yeah, but. Oh my God, Adam. Adam after that first episode, he he was obsessed with the fact that they don't have tissue. And when he put an egg on his shoulders, Adam was like, they don't have tissue, but he's. But here's the thing in in those days and even Sir Roland and Sir Donald, you kind of hear that conversation. I know they used hay to wipe their ass back then. I don't know how, I don't know how well that works or whatever, but you know. And if you watch watching the medieval shows, you always get that one joke where someone used Poison Ivy when they're out in the woods instead of just, you know, they just pick any leaf and not realize that they had. I mean, they, they, they just, you know, tissue paper was I, I don't know if.

37:04 Tissue. It wasn't a thing. Invented yet? So it wasn't a thing. I don't think it's crazy to me that people didn't think that through. Yeah, haze, sand, leaves, whatever. Yeah, I have a feeling like Egg. Given who who we think he is or who we know he is, I feel like he would probably know how to clean. Them right, that's what he yeah, that's what we were talking. About but yeah, I mean, that was because because I you think about that first episode when you see Dunk having an upset stomach for to say it politely, and then you think about what his clothes might smell like. Like even when he was trying to wash his clothes out, he sniffed and he was like, yeah, he would just like please tell me this man is not walking around smelling like shit trying to flirt with the puppeteer girl.

37:56 Just dude, it's just. But I was feeling like, you know, but The thing is like, yes, people could tell you stank, but everybody stank. All they did was mostly just put on perfumes and oils on top of stank because they didn't just have ready water typically. Right, so man. The horse and the horses were walking around and they were pooping everywhere. Yeah, how's all that? Yeah, it was just funky back then. Yeah, but also, unless you were somebody like a Targaryen, like, what was the girl being told when Dunk got ready to follow her? They told her. They said, hey, you need to go in there. The Princess need their hands washed. I'm on my way. Yeah, Mama, wash your hands like. But again, a different mindset, different time period. But you know, going back to Sir Donald, yeah, the way that he talked to Dunk, he is almost like he was talking to Dunk, as in not necessarily an equal, but he was he treated him like a person, right, Which you you notice does not happen to Dunk a lot like a lot of people dismiss him just like the little girl. She was like you're you're big and you're stupid. I was like who the hell are you?

39:15 Like But. Does he not introduce himself as Sir Lincoln at all to Sir Donald? Because that might have had something to do with it too. Like he did claim himself as a knight, so he would he would treat him with a little more respect and difference than he would anyone else. But The thing is, other people, even when he, when he introduces himself as a knight, they hear it, but they look at him and they judge him based on what he has on. And I feel like Sir Donald didn't do that. No, he didn't. You know, so that that kind of endears me to his character a little bit more because obviously Dunk has the.

40:00 I don't even know if I want to say the stature, but he presents himself like he's a knight. You know what I'm saying? He's very respectful. He's very honorable, which in our minds is what nights are supposed to be like, you know, and the fact that Sir Donald kind of still talks to him regular, you know, gives him his little history because he asked him if he's a if he's a Darkling from. He kind of gives me that, Sir Davos, kind of like, I know I'm from the bottom, but I'm here and I'm going to treat you with respect because I had the crime to get to where we at, kind of.

40:44 Right, right. And it's and you know, I also like the fact that he was telling him, you know, my family have been cravers because well, when when he asks Dunk, where are you from? He was like nowhere really. He was like, oh, I know that place. I'm from there too. And then Duncan's like, wait, are you part of this family? He was like, no, but he, but my, my family, we've been, we've been crabbers for generations. And then later on when he's talking to Egg and Egg is like, his father owns half of the crabbing boats in Westeros. Don't just like. Why? Do you know that? Not only that, but what?

41:25 So his father is big, but he didn't. He didn't, he didn't hold that over dunk or he didn't kind of use it to, to say, oh, this is who I am. He he just had a more humble, you know, perspective about him. And I just, I like that a little bit. You know, it's especially because I'm, I'm just kind of I'm sick of people treating dunk the way that he, you know, the way that they treat him. But even with the the armourer, when he talked to him, the armor was very straightforward with him. And when Dunk just kind of was like, I can't afford this armor. I'm just going to put this back. Thank you for your time. He was like, he was like, I'm going to lose money. But OK, so I can take this.

42:10 I can take your old armor. I can use the metal. I'll give it to you for, you know, a reduced price, blah, blah, blah. Dunk was like, I only have two stacks. OK, this will hold you for a day. You just got to figure the rest out. I, you know, I was so sad when Dunk was talking to the horse and he was like, when I when I win this, I'm gonna get enough money to buy you back. I started tearing up. I was like, I don't know this horse like this. I don't say. I don't say go get her back. I'm. Like, no, I don't know. I haven't gotten that far in the story in the book yet. But, you know, just the fact that he has that kind of gentle spirit, like he talks to the horses like they're people. Even the Targaryen horse that kicked the stable hand, you know, he talked to when he calmed it down, took it in the thing and he was just like having a conversation with it. I always feel like with, with people who, and, and this comes from being an animal person to people who talk to animals, I feel like are on a higher plane of existence than other people, you know, because if you can get an animal to trust you, you can get an animal to calm down where other people can't. That's something within you, you know, for for someone that can't speak and can't give you their feelings, for them to be able to trust you like that, to be like, oh, OK, yeah, I'm a calm down for him.

43:33 That just kind of tells you what kind of person that person is. So I'm like, you know, Dunk has a big heart. Again, he's honorable. He's very honest, you know, which is also a rarity in those days. And I just, I just want him to win at all of this. I know he's about to go through some stuff, but I just want him to win because I, I really want him. Like at the end of the the episode, he talks about how, you know, Sir Arlen was here for almost 60 years and nobody, you know, he's done all these good deeds. He's done this, he's done that, and nobody remembers him. He was like, what kind of hedge might, you know, doesn't have any victories and is buried in a shallow grave on the side of the road? He was like, what kind of legacy is that? He said.

44:22 But he took me in. He treated me like family even though we weren't. And he taught me how to be an honorable man. And damn it, I'm going to go in these lists and I'm going to show he was like, I am his legacy. I'm going to show them what what he made of me. And I'm just kind of like, yes, yes, that's what I want. And even the fact that Egg sat there and listened to him and was looking at him so serious because Egg has been just kind of ripping on him the entire episode. I love their camaraderie. I love the way they go back and forth. But he was sitting there listening like, OK, yeah.

45:02 I, you know, and, and if you're the younger brother of an asshole, I reckon Dunk must be a breath of fresh air for him. Oh yeah, you know. What I'm saying? Definitely, but their their comedy is is so funny because when they when they were talking after the whole thing with the puppet girl and Dunk was telling people he was like, do you think I could be a knight? You know, people say I'm small even for my age. And Dunk, Dunk is sitting there almost like he's about to latest story till he was like, yeah, he was like, you know, people call me being stupid all the time and he just stopped and he was like, and what?

45:46 What he's? Saying he's. Saying, what did you do about that? Right. That ain't none of your business. That's mine. The way he was like that. Little boy, that little boy. No, he can act though when I say listen. These kid actors that are coming out these days, they are so phenomenal. It's like their their instincts for their characters and the emotions that they can can portray. And just like you are holding your own with a grown ass man, Sir, you are a.

46:28 Tiny little baby. Right. That's right there. Killed me. I laughed so hard. Because he was even, the expressions, he was like, like, what are you talking about? Like are you even? Listening to what I'm saying. I love it. I, I love this, I, I love this little companionship. I, I love the fact that Dunk is so irritated by him, but also at the same time, it's like, no, he's you and a little body. He just has a little, a little more mouth. Because even when, when they're coming in, before they realize the Targaryens are there and Dunk is complaining because he was like, nobody remembers Sir Arlen. Nobody will vouch for me.

47:19 He was like, just go in to listen anyway. Just tell them fuck them. He was. Like I thought about that too. Just just go in there and act like you freaking night and and just do it. And just do it and and what do you say? Tell them to fuck themselves. I said OK, don't. This should have been your this should have been your clue. The egg ain't who he says he is or that he's more than he serves. He is, because he said that was such confidence. Yeah. And uncle's like you're a bit brazen, no? He that's the thing. That's that's the thing that thinking is missing. He's missing that confidence. Yeah, Because if he walked in there like that, it would be a totally different story. Yeah, yeah.

48:05 No one would be questioning questioning him being a knight. Right. Yeah, yeah. He's also egg is very compassionate and very he pays attention so well because he was just like when he first told him to go and he was like, Nah, I'm staying because you have been basically going through this story and like having to basically re bury your master over and over again and nobody knows him. It's got to like he's like, it's got to be like heartbreaking. I don't want to leave you. And it's just like this child has the emotional like, Oh my gosh, it's right. Like his range is insane. And the yeah, the maturity. Pretty as well so that also tells you there's more to this little boy than he is letting on because you I I'm sorry most of the kids that we've seen in this particular world Game of Thrones world, they don't have that kind of that kind of focus and that kind of maturity even unless they are raised nobly or they have gone through some major, major trauma and they've had to learn to get over it you know what I'm saying in order to survive.

49:14 So one of the two with that kid. But yeah I. And again, I think this comes to the way that Dunk was probably raised by Sir Arlen. He just. Do you know who else knows you? You know who else recognizes Duncan's value? Oh. So. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh. My God that is my homie. I hope he does not change because. The funny, the funniest thing is he leaves the tug of one line. Where you going? I'm thirsty. I'm thirsty. But what did he say? If we look, if we lose this game, I'm a drown your first. But what?

49:55 But look how it was genius though, because what happened when he left, they didn't have that strength, so they was pulling with all they might and they were winning. So when he came back, they were on that level of whatever pulling he added to that and it threw them off their Now he did that. Also too, because I think in that moment when he left, don't realize, I think that was when it clicked for him. OK, this man told me, if I'm tall, be tall. It's kind of like be who you are. And he was like, wait, I'm the I'm the biggest motherfucker on this line. Why are we losing? Hold up. He started digging those heels in and started pulling and they started winning. Pour egg. He just had to put his. Legs up on on the right.

50:39 Because he couldn't do anything. And then of course, Lionel's like, all right, I see what you're doing. And he, he slaps dunk on the butt, kind of like, good job. And I was like, maybe this is what he was doing. He was just kind of like, I need you to, I need you to feel your autonomy. Like I, I really feel like, like he could have just been being selfish. OK, I'm, I'm thirsty, but I really feel like he put, he put dunk in there and he left it like that. Like look, I need you to realize your potential. No, I think he just wanted to. I think he just wanted to win. Whatever I'm I'm gonna think. I'm gonna think nice things about Lionel. I'm gonna think I love Lionel. Dunk out. There's nothing wrong with that.

51:19 He looked. He saw. Oh wait, this dude is not doing anything. Come over here, Sir, he's drinking. Something it's poor. He was like what is this pissy form? Like what is this you are drinking? Yeah, if you're going. To have, if Sir Duncan Fatal is going to have one friend, it's going to have to be Sir Lionel. Yeah, there's got to be his person. It's got to be. Got to be. But I mean, he's had, so he's had Lionel, Lionel Baratheon, like I said, Sir, Sir Donald of Dusk and Dale. And then who was the guy in the first episode? So.

52:01 Far away, far away. Yes, the cousin. Yeah. So I feel like, OK, he's got. There were a few people who were nicer than normal to him. And and if you count 10 Tenzel. Yeah. Yeah, but you know what? He don't? He don't want her friendship. He he want her. He like her and. When he said to when a guy told him they had a commonality but but first he was like y'all are both gigantic or whatever he said. Because, she said she said the boys used to call her Tamsin too tall. Yeah, Tamsin, too tall. That's it. In the book she's she's supposed to be half a head shorter than him.

52:46 So he's 611. She's supposed to be like 6365. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And then, you know, he he he says that and he's like, is that and that. So that's the thing, like because he's an older guy playing a person who's supposed to be a teenager, kind of he's definitely, you know, he's, he doesn't know things. So when he's asking this child, wait, is that a thing? Like, is this a thing? Is this how we're supposed to be together? And he's like, you have some compatibility, I guess he's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like oh man, he's like from bottom boards I guess. The the one thing we don't get, we get a little bit of it, but we don't get from the book is a lot of his internal monologue and he talks about seeing her and how she is like the perfect height for kissing and he.

53:42 Almost. He almost says that too because when she says something about her being too tall, he was like. I think. I think. Your grade was like, you're the perfect, you're the perfect height for it. And he was, I think in his mind he was saying you're the perfect height for me. But he wasn't going to be so bold as to say that. And she was just like, for what he's. And Egg is so funny because he's just looking at him like, wow, this guy is faltering. Puppeteers, puppeteering. Yeah. He's just like, he's the best wing man ever for Dunk because Dunk has absolutely no clue what he's been doing, what he's doing. And also, OK, so here's the other thing with Sir Arlen as far as Dunk goes. So usually in in Game of Thrones, you know, lore, universe, whatever.

54:32 By dunks age, Sir Arlen should have already taken him to a brothel for his first woman. Yeah. I think like I think he did. No, because even in the book, even in the book I couldn't remember, says that he's never laying with a woman. Oh yeah, he does. Yes, so so the fact that Dunk doesn't even know how to talk to a woman, it's just it's so it's so strange. But then you have egg on the side. That's kind of like filling in the blanks. And I was like, what's little boy know about talking to women? That's another clue about this boy is more than what he seems, because if he was just a regular boy who's just been on the run, he wouldn't have had like like he won.

55:21 He's too young to go to a brothel to he's too young to have the coin to go to a brothel. Yeah. I was like, OK, Dunk, Egg is your he's your wing man. He's going to help you with this because it's obviously it's obvious you got a thing for this girl and you just don't know what to do about it. Eggs. Like, OK, yeah, I'm, I'm hook you up. I'm help you out. Which made it even more funny when they had that conversation afterwards. And Dunk was like, what business of it is what he's like? I'm sitting here helping you and you can't even answer a question. Help me for a change. Right, but the other thing about this episode is the list they that they actually start that night. Why exit the same thing?

56:13 Why did this man bite into this raw fish? What the like? Was he a toy? He was, he was a telly. He was a telly, right? Yeah. You know what are they trying to meet a certain quota for how many times they can gross aside in the episode? I mean, you only gave us 30 minutes and you gave like, what are y'all doing? Even egg was like, yeah, the thing with the fish that was disgusting. Yeah, the lists are great, but I I could have done without the fish that was. That was too much. OK, But this is the one thing I didn't, I didn't catch. And I did go back, Anthony.

56:54 I freeze framed and I rewind. I was trying to figure this out, but when when they're watching the list and egg is on Duck's shoulders, there's a moment after the first, after the first joust where the Squires are giving everyone their their new lances and and egg looks over at 1. And I don't think it was I don't think it was anybody recognizable. Like I didn't see a Targaryen shit. I think it was somebody in green and gold and somebody else. But he was looking at them give this the the spear, and his face completely changed.

57:40 He went from joy to kind of worry. And then he started looking at his wrist like this. And then he told Duck to put him down so he could get to the front. Do you know what that was about? Because I was confused it was because he realized he was so tiny and how much work they had to put into it. I thought he could put into how small his hands were compared to because they were all grown and they are. Grown. Yeah, well, his responsibility would be. If he like, he could be on his. Shoulders, I'm a man. I need to be, you know, and then. If you watch the. If you watch going to be jousting, then he's going to be the one responsible. OK, OK, got it.

58:24 So have you watched the trailer for the next episode? No, I have not. OK, OK, well it's not a sport, but there there is a scene where he's running where Egg is running with the Lance. Oh, OK. So he, he must have, he must have realized he could do it. But I think that's, that's what like being said, that's what he was worried about. OK, because I was looking at that and I was trying to figure I was like, what is he looking at? Because I thought, because at first I was thinking like, is he supposed to be in shackles? Like did he escape from being? I mean, literally that's what I thought. Because I was like, it's so weird that he looks you look at your wrist and you do your hands like this. And I was like, like, what is this? What is this boy's story?

59:09 But OK, that makes a lot more sense. That makes a lot more sense. And then Dunk having his little panic attack once he sits egg down and he's thinking about, you know, he's watching the jousting. And I think the thing that you saw is like, I think Dunk, in his mind, he has a certain idea of how nights are supposed to behave again, because of the way that Sir Arlen raised him. And then you see all these people during this jobs, Like, people have clearly been knocked off their horse, but you're still coming after them with your lances.

59:50 You're still like, somebody was about to run over another person with their horse. And he's looking at all of this and thinking about, oh, is this what I'm going to be? Expected to do and again then he starts having the flashbacks about the different things that Sir Arlen did or said and then him burying him. And that's when he came to the revelation at the end. He was like, you know, Sir Arlen was this he you know, he was a hedge knight for 60 years. Nobody remembers him and and what does he have to show for he's he's buried in a a shallow grave. He was like, is this, is this what my destiny is? Is this what I'm going to be? Because if he was such a great night and this was his fate. Yeah.

1:00:32 What it. What is my fate? And I think, you know, he panicked about it at first, but then that's when he was kind of like, no, I I'm his legacy. I got to show them what this man was made of. Not just for him. He wants to do it for Sir Arlen. You know, like I'll make sure y'all never forget his name again. Which is like that great, that amount of like gratefulness that he has for this man. It's like he sees out his faults. He knows that he wasn't perfect, but he saved him. And he's just going to be like ever grateful for this man, teaching him things and saving him. And it's just like that is so pure of heart.

1:01:13 He's so pure. I love him so much. Yep, which is another reason why I'm like, Dunk is one of those characters I will fight for, right? All y'all people being being mean to him, I'm gonna need y'all to get you to come up. And so I'm gonna need you to change your mind. I'm gonna need you to fix your shit real quick, right? Because it don't take nothing to be nice. This man, what was his Oh, God, keep mixing all the names. Is it Baylor? That's the big Prince Doesn't lie. He's a Prince. He is a Crown Prince. And he was just as gentle and kind and sweet. It's it cost nothing to be kind. Even even when Dunk made the faux pas when I was talking about he said, yeah, I remember.

1:01:55 I remember jostling against Sir Arlen. We broke 4 lances before before it ended. He was like 7. He was like, well, you know, I know that Tails kind of, you know, get exaggerated, he said. But I assure you it was 4. He could have easily because when Dunk said seven, I literally did this like, oh, you just fucked up. You just fucked up. But the way that he diffused that situation because even Makor was like, hold up. Baylor was like, no, it was mistaken. He was like, but it was it was just for I assure you. Oh, I'm so sorry. He was like, no harm was done. Get rise, get off your knees.

1:02:35 You don't have to just that whole again. He does remind me a lot of of the way the saris was, you know, the saris was the peaceful king, you know, and and he did get a lot done with that kind of stoic attitude. And I feel like Baylor, what what was it that Dunk said that Sir Arlen said that, you know, the the Seven Kingdoms would be in great hands with rule. And even that was kind of a faux pas because basically you saying, yeah, so when your daddy is dead, you become the king. You know, again, Dunk doesn't. I don't think Dunk understands these kind of protocols because when he talks to Makor, he was like, I hope your sons are found and they're not dead. He's only going by what the other girl said, that apparently everybody's like, oh, they might be dead by now. He wasn't doing it to be mean.

1:03:28 He wasn't doing it to be, you know, stupid. He just, he said again, he's honest to a fault. Yeah. He he basically was like, I hope your sons are OK and then they're safe. You know, Yeah, he could have said it that way, but I hope they're not dead. I mean, that is the hope, right? Right. So, yeah. But yeah, Baylor, I I like him because he, again, he was another person who treated Dunk like a person. Yeah, treated him with respect and it cost him nothing. He's still, he's still the Prince. He's still the Crown Prince and everybody. 'S still respected. So yeah, I I think I like his character, but, you know, he is a Targaryen.

1:04:16 We'll see. I mean we like, I mean I. Feel like the Sarah's other than him not choosing to do what he said in motion and and not being, you know, that was his flaw. But he was still a good man all the way to the end. He was just trying to keep the peace, you know what I mean? He wasn't a bad king. So it's like hard to imagine that all the Targaryens aren't trash, but then there's some that are just not. Yeah, some of them are. I mean, think about it, even though there, I know there's a lot of debate about this and, you know, I've kind of gone back and forth, but even with Daenerys, Daenerys was a good person all the way up until Cersei cut her best friend's head off.

1:05:03 It was like, yeah, I'm gonna make you. I'm gonna make you kneel. I'm at this point I think Daenerys was just kind of like, OK, you know what? I'm done with all this. I'm done with all this. Like they told me to burn it all down. I don't. Think that was quite what? She meant Daenerys, but you. Know we can save this discussion for another time, because I will disagree with you there. The nurse has always been that way from the very beginning. No, no, no. And I'm not, I'm not saying. That she. Didn't have that potential. But her, her initial heart, she wanted to stop.

1:05:45 She wanted to break the wheel. She wanted to stop the way the Targaryens had been doing things. She didn't want to be that same kind of cruel ruler. And I think, I think part of her nature was that. That was. Part of her I'm. A disagreement against it, but we. Can. We can. We can do another. Time, that'll be a different conversation, but. You have this discussion. Never thought her personality was definitely a little different and the things she went through was a little different. Book versus show, Yeah. She's more like her dad than she was in the. Show. Yeah, yeah. So I think that I think that's also part like they tried to create this character that was always, always the victim, always clawed her way out of something, always somebody's coming after her, attacking her in the show to make people, you know, and then they gave her Dragons of all things to make people like her more. Because when I was reading the books, I wasn't really impressed by Danny that much.

1:06:49 It wasn't like it was in the in the show. I was saying. Yeah. Yeah, but in the show, even early on, they gave you clues that she was willing to do whatever it took to get her way. Yeah. So burn people alive. That always work for Targaryens. It worked for. Her, I mean, that's how they conquered Westeros, which they need to go on and make that because I'm excited, although I don't know about this, this brother, sister, love that's about to happen, but I'm excited about the ref. Oh, you said about Aegon's Conquest. Brothers, Sisters. Yeah. Sisters. Yeah, they.

1:07:29 Had two sister wives, so yeah. But yeah. But going going back to Night of the Seven Kingdoms. So yeah, episode 3 that's coming up. I'm pretty sure we're going to. We should see some action with Dunk there. There's some things that's going to happen in between then. So I don't know if we're going to actually see him do the list or do any fighting in the third episode. They may wait until the 4th episode, but I have a feeling some big stuff is about to happen in episode 3. And I mean, we only have 6 episodes. So it's not like they, they have room to draw stuff out like you say, Anthony, they are, they're moving very fast-paced. The story in the book is very kind of fast-paced. There's a lot more description in the book. But again, if you're if you're kind of familiar with the Game of Thrones universe, the the media universe, the TV universe, then a lot of that stuff that they described in the book. I don't think they have to go into the big drawn out discussions in the show because they've been giving us like even with the description of how the list work, even though they're not giving us the one, you know, long drawn out explanation, they're giving us bits and pieces here and there, you know, so I think we'll get all of the information that we need to get without it being over done.

1:09:06 And and they're focusing on the the important stuff, which is I, I know is about to happen with the the Targaryen stuff. So, yeah. But did we miss anything? I think we got everything because again, it's the episode was only 3434. Yeah, it wasn't super long. One of the things they did talk about, the Prince did tell him, was that because he was not Arlen's natural born son, he would have to have his own sigil and his own shield and whatever design, whatever. And I, I think that's interesting that like he technically was that man's son.

1:09:48 They're like, no, you have to be natural born. I'm like. And who would know? He could have just been like, yeah. Yeah. I was his son, but he's so. Honest. He didn't know the lie, you know so. But also, I think The thing is too, he makes a point when he's talking about Sir Arlen in the beginning, he tells one of the Lords that he's speaking to that Sir Arlen never married, never had children. Oh yeah, that's. True. So it's kind of like, I also feel like if he would have lied and said, yes, that was my father, enough people would have remembered Sir Arlen by that point to be like, oh, but he didn't have no children. You.

1:10:35 Know what I'm saying? I feel like it that would have been one of those type things because people always this, they're always dismissive of things that they don't remember things until it's something that may have a direct impact on them. And then all of a sudden all your memory is working fine. You know, like what harm would it have been for y'all to be like, OK, yeah, I remember your your master. You can you can go be in the list because of all of y'all think the way that y'all treat him, y'all think he big and dumb. Anyway, y'all walking around half threatening him. So you don't think he's going to be a threat? Let's go on the list. Chances are y'all going to knock him off his horse and he's going to be done.

1:11:18 What harm would that do? Really. Yeah. You know, but I, I don't know, I feel like I don't know, there, there's something about the way that they're treating him. It's kind of like, yeah, I remember this dude, but I'm not going, I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of it. It's almost like, yeah, I'm going to put you in your place. And I just, I don't like that. Like what harm would it be for y'all to let this man fight? And the list? A lot of harm. He he could win. But but I. Know and I and I get. That, and that's why I'm saying I feel like that's why they've been going around, like because you're being very specific with what you're telling these people. House Florence, Sir Arlen served in the guard when your father lost his sight.

1:12:09 House Hayford, he fought with you at the he fought with, he fought with your brothers at the Red Grass. He lost his nephew in battle. How's Tyrell? You were you not your father, your brother? You specifically were the one who told him that hedge Knights are the bridge between Lords and the small folk. You told him that. You mean to tell me that you don't remember telling somebody that? Like, that's a very specific piece of information to tell somebody. And even the way he was looking at dumb when he said it, it was kind of like, yeah, I remember that, but I'm not going to admit to that shit.

1:12:49 Like, y'all are just being assholes just to be assholes. And yeah, it's probably because you feel like, OK, yeah, this guy is big and dumb, but he could probably beat us. Yep, basically. But had he said something like, yes Sir, Arla was my father. No, he wasn't. We know Sir. Arlene didn't have any chill. Well, how? How do you know that? But you didn't remember him when I told him what he specifically did for you? That's just kind of how I feel like they're doing. Like they know him. They just want to be assholes. They just want to be difficult. They don't want to be yeah to anything or anyone. But that's OK, because I hope Dunk goes out there and beats all they ask. Yeah. Even the Targaryens. I will.

1:13:32 Say that that, but Baylor. Oh my God, these names. Velar he. That was he was rocking that Targaryen black with the. Yeah, looking right. I was like, OK, I like that. But you notice it was interesting too. He was brown haired. Yes, yes, another one. I was like, look, I know what side. Of the tree you came from. Yep. Maybe. Maybe there was some Baratheon mixture. Let. Oh, that's what we should look up and see. It's probably another Baratheon because wasn't Emma. Emma was a Baratheon too, wasn't she? Vernier's mom. Yes, she was a Baratheon Targaryen mix, Yes.

1:14:15 And I do know that one. Yeah. Somebody on that, somebody on one of those trees. They married. They married another Baratheon. So yeah. Well, Robert's Grant, Robert's grandmother was Targaryen. Oh, Yep, Yep. So. Yep. So this is all yeah, Aegon the First, his half brother was was a bastard. Oh yeah, because that's the other thing we got to take into account, like the bastards. And you know what Anthony was talking about, you know, with the, the rebellions, the black fires and the yeah, they, they had masters who were legitimized. So yeah, that's just that that that family tree is just so complicated. So crazy, So crazy.

1:15:05 And not all of them marry inside the family, Yeah. Yeah. That's how they were able to. That's how they were able to to kind of work there. Aegon worked out this tree with Doran was the Prince of Doran mayor the Targaryen. Yeah. Princess. So yeah, whatever. OK, Brown hair might pop up considering their ancestors, you know. Yeah, yeah. Thanks to the nearest. Yeah, but I don't know, Do you guys have anything final to say about this episode?

1:15:46 Wrong Bloodlines. Yeah, yeah, I'm. Just I think. It was really good for the short little time we. Had it? Shall we get longer than 34 minutes please like. Like I said, I like it. I like your short. I like it like this. Keep it short to the point it. I guess it's just. There isn't a lot of there isn't a lot of world building needing to be done. We're in one place. All the story is taking place in this one location that is. True. We just have a few characters you got to get to know. But I think it's, it's because the pacing does work so well. It's like by the time I'm like, really, really into the episode, it's it's done. And it's just it, it's so sudden and it's just kind of like, yeah, what?

1:16:34 Give me more. But you know, I feel like. You can't wait until next week's episode, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, I was the same way with the Percy Jackson series. I just finished watching season 2 of that and like those are also like 30-30 ish minute episodes and I was just kind of like, wait, we're done. What? So yeah, I mean, I guess I could get used to a 30 minute episode. I just I want more I. Is is this season supposed to be the first novel just period or they think so? It's the first novella, The Hedge. Night, yeah, the hedge night. So OK, well I guess I'm going to get off here and go look at the trailer for episode 3 and prepare for that.

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