A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (Season 1 Episode 6) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #398

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah, and I'm here

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with Anthony and Dina.
And we are here to discuss the

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Season 1 finale of A Night of
the Seven Kingdoms, right?

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It's like I'm sad but at the
same time I don't know this.

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This last episode hit different
for me.

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Did y'all feel that way too?
It it went back light, I think

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they had to lighten it up after
the last episode.

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It was that, but it was also, I
don't know, something about.

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The.
I don't know something about the

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way it it just felt, it felt
different.

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Well, it started out with the
slow jazz opening.

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That threw me off so much.
Wait, is, is something playing?

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Oh no, that's the show.
Right, right, right.

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That's how I felt because I was
like, this music seems like very

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out of place.
And I thought the maester was

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playing something and when he
popped up I was like, is he

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playing?
It was, it was very weird.

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It was a it was a interesting
choice to start off the episode

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and it was just, I don't know,
just from there on, I don't

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know.
I think for me, this was

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probably my least favorite of
all the episodes because not

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only because of that Music
Choice, like I said it, it felt

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out of place and it kind of it
kind of took me out of the

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scenery.
But then also, there were so

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many.
There were so many cuts in the

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middle of the episode, just,
like, really sharp.

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Like, I felt like I was getting
whiplash when we changed scenes

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because they came so suddenly
and they were just, I don't

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know, something about the flow
of this episode was just really

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weird to me.
Yeah, so.

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And I don't know if it was meant
to be that disjointed because

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of, you know, we're dealing with
the aftermath of everything that

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happened in the last episode.
But I don't know.

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It's just it was very odd.
That's a good point.

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Maybe it was supposed to be that
way because that's how the

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characters are feeling.
Everybody is like distraught.

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Everybody is like feeling some
kind of way.

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You know, there's blame in the
air, there's rumors in the air,

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there's people are sad, people
are hurt.

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And maybe that's why they did
that way, because I also felt

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that way like after this, well,
besides the, the, the smooth

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jazz, but this scene with, with
Lionel where he's basically

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telling him, you know, you know,
about, about the prints and

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everything.
But like after that scene, it

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just kind of went to all these
different things that are

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happening.
And it just felt like it, it

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ended like in 20, like 20
minutes, it was done.

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And I was like, wait, what?
Is this the end?

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This is what it felt.
Very, it felt.

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Rushed.
Yeah, very rushed.

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I don't know.
It didn't really feel rushed to

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me, I think.
I think it was cut.

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I'm, I'm agreeing with you all
day.

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I think it was cut this way
because we are going from

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Duncan's perspective.
And right now he's he's

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discombobulated, like he's hurt
Baylor died, he's blaming

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himself.
But every scene seems to be from

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his perspective.
So he is kind of walking around

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sort of still trying to figure
out life, you know what I mean?

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It was a lot for him.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
It was I, I don't.

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Know now now I did like the
opening scene because Lionel

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Baratheon just he just he he
told the truth he.

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Just like look.
We fought for you.

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The Apple boy fought for you.
Say Baylor didn't have nothing

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to lose.
He was fighting people who were

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sworn to defend him.
Yeah, he was.

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It was purely accident and what
should not have happened in the

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perfect world.
Yeah, he would have died.

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Yeah, I'm.
Starting to I'm starting to

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think that Lionel is more
honorable than he's letting on,

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because I think that really kind
of pissed him off a little bit.

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Yeah.
And I think so, too.

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Even if you go back to the last
episode when they got ready to

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start fighting and the question
came up, what about the

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Kingsguard?
And Baylor answered, He was

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like, I'll handle the
Kingsguard.

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They are sworn not to, you know,
not to harm any one of the royal

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blood.
And the question that was asked,

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and I don't remember who it was
that asked it, they said, but is

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that honorable?
He was like, we'll let the gods

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decide.
I think it was the night they

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got his leg messed up by Aryan.
Yeah, and he ended up remember

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his name.
He I think that's Hardesty.

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Hardesty or something like that.
But he ended up dying too.

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But you know, I thought about
that when Lionel made the the

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comment, because as much as we
love Baylor and we love Baylor,

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OK, he, like you said, he had a
point.

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There was no risk to him.
So technically he should have

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walked in there, walked out, no
problem.

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He and I don't know if he looked
at it in that way or if he

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calculated it in that way,
because again, we didn't really

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get to know Baylor very well.
We saw what we saw, which could

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have just been surfacey, you
know what I'm saying?

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It's like, yeah, he can be.
He can present himself as being

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noble of trying to do the right
thing.

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But when you look at it from
Lionel's point of view, were you

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really doing the right thing?
Or did you step up because you

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knew you had no skin in the
game?

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You know, and.
I think he stepped up because he

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felt guilty like he I feel like
he would he was honorable and

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that he really actually did want
to protect Duncan because he

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thought Duncan was a good guy.
But I think he also felt guilty

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because he like even though
obviously he saved them from

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just getting his head cut off,
he put him in a crazier

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situation to try to help him.
And I think he was probably

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racked with guilt because he
just that person, like, you

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know, you, it's better than him
just getting executed or getting

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his hand, his foot cut off.
So So the interesting thing I

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think about this episode is like
it kind of makes you, at least

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for me, it makes you look at the
Targaryens here in a like,

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they're not just one-dimensional
characters.

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Like they're there's very much
layers to all of them.

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But even with that, it was kind
of weird, like the whole thing

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with Baylor.
OK, yes, on the one hand, he

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does look honorable.
You know, he he presents himself

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as honorable and noble.
But when you're looking at it

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from the outside, from someone
like a Lionel or maybe even a a

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fossil way, we don't know how
Sir Raymond feels about all of

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that.
But it's like when you're

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looking at it from a different
perspective, you kind of like,

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yeah, you know, when you think
about it, that really wasn't a

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brave thing for him to do.
I mean, again, you're going into

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a situation where, technically
speaking, you shouldn't have

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gotten hurt.
Yeah, technically nobody on the

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other side should have been
trying to swing at him.

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Right, right.
If they knew it was good for

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them.
Yeah, right.

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So then the other thing is you
have the other Targaryens and

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like, when you look at the
characters and when you look at

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what they do, the whole thing
with Ariana, this is one of the

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things that kind of irritated me
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when Deron is having a
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talking about his brother, he
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wasn't always like this.
And Dunk has the you know, he

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thinks he's talking about Egg
and he's like, no, I'm not

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talking about Egg on.
I'm talking about Ariana.

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You know, he wasn't always this
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He was once a gentle child.
And then it cuts to a whole

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different scene this like that's
where y'all stop.

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And I know Dina, we, you and I
were chatting last night and you

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were like, I don't want them to
give me any reason to feel sorry

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for him.
And I get it.

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I do get it.
But I think it's interesting.

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It would be interesting to find
out.

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And I think we discussed this a
couple episodes ago, like what

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made him that cruel, that
arrogant that like, I don't have

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to have the whole back story,
but I do kind of want to see

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what's going on.
Like with Amon, we know on House

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of the Dragon.
We know what happened with Amon.

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We know he was bullied by the
other kids because he was small,

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because he didn't have a dragon.
And that kind of contributed to

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him being an asshole later in
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So if Arion was this gentle
child, what happened?

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What was the what was the
catalyst for that?

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I.
Think Duncan.

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I think Duncan kind of points it
out later when he was like, you

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know, I'll take egg with me and
Summer Hall.

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You just can't send the Summer
Hall because you took your other

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kids at Summer Hall and look how
they turned out, right?

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If.
You don't want.

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To I was like.
You.

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Barely kept your feet in your
hands.

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You talking this smack to this
man?

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But you know what?
You tell the truth though and

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make and make or kind of I think
on some level knows it, but he

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wants to keep his family
together.

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But dude, you, you yourself are
not doing a good job.

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When your youngest son is
sneaking into the bedroom of

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your other child who is
bedridden, who is beat the fuck

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up and he has a knife because
he's going to kill this man and

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all you can do is look and hold
him and have a tear come down

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your eye.
Dude, there's something

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fundamentally wrong with that.
For your youngest child, for

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your 9 year old to want to kill
his brother and you don't utter

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a word.
You know that there's something

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wrong with that, but yet you
still don't want him to go.

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That's my child, he's a Prince.
He's not going to sleep in those

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conditions.
Bro.

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Part of the whole reason the
Targaryens are the way they are,

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the reason why people don't like
them in this time and the reason

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why your whole fucking family is
a mess is because y'all are

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arrogant.
You have a lot of pride and you

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don't like read the room.
You have your oldest son who is

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a drunk, does.
It's not a good night, does not

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want, does not want to be
anything that he is.

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Plus he has the dragon dreams.
You have the the second son who

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is such an asshole that he just
demanded a trial by 7 that got a

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lot of people killed and now you
want to say I'm sending Arion to

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the east?
Maybe, maybe some time in the

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free cities will make him.
Bro you should have did that way

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before all this started.
But he's gone because he thinks

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he's a dragon in human form.
He's crazy, but he had.

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To get that way.
Some like some somewhere he

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heard that or someone told him
that and nobody, nobody stopped

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him.
Nobody corrected.

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It's that pride and that ego
again.

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I think it's also in the genes
to a certain extent, just like

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the dragon dreams and the
prophetic dreams come down.

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I think that bit of madness
passes down too, because it's

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you look at so many of the Kings
and so many other people in the

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targeting line have just sparked
mad when there's others who are

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just perfectly fine, but it's
just certain ones.

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That are just I swear they're
they're all touched in some way,

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some more than others.
Because even Rhaegar, Rhaegar

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was became obsessed with his
dragon dreams and obsessed with

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the prophecy and with the weird
things that weren't necessarily

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normal, like going and playing
his instrument.

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And what was he in?
What's the place called where

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all the poor people are?
Oh, Flea Bottom, Flea Bottom,

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going down the Flea Bottom and
playing his instrument or

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whatever.
Yeah, they're they're all

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touched in some way, especially
if you have silver hair.

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Yeah, but I mean, it's just, I
don't know it.

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It's like they think they are so
far above people, which we

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already know that this is how
they think.

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You know, they they like you
said in the last episode, then

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they came over from Valyria,
these almost peasant like they

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came over with their Dragons.
They took over shit.

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They became the rulers and they
ruled for hundreds of years.

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So at this point, yeah, they
feel like they're untouchable,

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but it's kind of like, are y'all
not paying attention to the

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signs around you?
Like your heir apparent just got

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killed quote UN quote by
accident.

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But also why are you swinging
the Mace?

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Why just why?
I mean, I understand the other

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people over there are are trying
to hurt you or whatever, but do

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you really think anybody on
Dunkin's team was really going

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out to kill y'all?
No, they want a Ariana's head.

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But you don't have any reason to
be swinging at Mace, especially

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not at your brother.
And then to find out that Baylor

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was wearing his son's armor and
it's all that.

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So.
So you're wearing armor that's

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not fitted to you.
That's probably why his head

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wasn't as protected as it should
have been, because that that

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helm was probably not properly
sized.

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It's just, there's just a whole
bunch.

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Of stuff I don't, I don't think,
I don't think it wouldn't matter

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that man smashed the back of
that man skin.

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I feel like if he had something,
you know, that that's something

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Steely Pete was talking about.
He was talking about the

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different, the different
thickness of the steel.

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When he was talking, when he was
talking to Dunk about his armor,

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he was like, yeah, what you had
was not all that thick.

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It wasn't all that great.
But I what I'm giving you is a

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little bit stronger.
It'll protect you better.

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You have to think that Baylor,
if he had had his own armor,

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would have been better
protected.

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You know what I'm saying?
It's like.

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But but I I just assume that for
the most part their their armor

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is more ceremonial.
Like I don't think Targaryens

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really have.
They traditionally their armor

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is not going to be thick and
heavy because traditionally

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they're on Dragons and so it
doesn't necessarily have to be

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bulky.
But it wouldn't.

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But it would now because they
don't even have Dragons now.

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Yeah, but tradition, they, they,
they, they're just going to make

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it the way it's always been made
for the Targaryens because

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they're Targaryens.
And again, that's that ego,

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because if you know that people
around the the the the Kingdom

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don't like y'all, you would
think you would protect yourself

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just a little bit better.
You would think like.

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They probably did in actual war,
but because this was attorney,

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they weren't looking to like
actually, you know, come out

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fighting.
Like literally, I feel like they

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thought that Darren and maybe
Aryan and Vaylar.

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Vaylar, I forget his name, Blar.
They was going to get out there,

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do whatever and nobody was going
to mess with them because they

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have blood, blah, blah, blah,
and then they was going to go

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home.
They they didn't think all this

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craziness was about to happen.
So they wasn't prepared.

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But this is the thing though.
I, you know, knowing that George

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RR Martin wrote these people,
these characters based off of

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like the UK and like the the the
line of succession from whenever

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the hell back in the day in the
war, the roses and all this

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stuff.
And you just kind of look at

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like it is exactly the same
hubris, the same ridiculous and

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all the blood and you got to
have the blood mind.

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Mind you, half of them as
bastards, half of them don't

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really know who their parentage
and you know what their

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parentage is.
They lying about stuff.

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It's people doing schemes.
All this stuff is so dumb.

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Like these people, they living
off something that ain't even

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real.
When Aegon conquered and he

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killed people with Dragons,
Muslim Dragons died with Rainier

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or whatever, that was a wrap.
Like y'all have 0 power now.

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Now y'all just living on a name
just like that.

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These mugs right now is living
on a name.

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So some people who've been dead
centuries and they ain't got no

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real power.
And because I mean if they have

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real power, you know, Chris
Andrew might still be a

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principle.
But anyway, the point is like

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they're just living.
They're just living.

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They're walking through the,
the, the, through the whatever.

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What do you call it?
The, the, the motions.

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They're just.
Walking through the motions.

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Going through the motions,
that's all they're doing.

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Because that, I mean, because
really like the Small council

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basically rules, you know, the
king might say whatever or do

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whatever and have some
decisions.

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But like if look at Robert who
ruled the small council, it was

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Littlefinger, it was various,
you know.

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So I mean, I, I don't know, I
just feel like they just kind of

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just play the part because
that's what the small folk

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expect.
The only thing really holding

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everything together are oats,
and that's why it's very

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important for them to keep their
oaths.

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And they all have sworn their
allegiance and and fealty to the

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Targaryens.
Yeah.

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And the only way the Kingdom can
stay together if everybody

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fulfills that.
Yeah.

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And that's why the Blackfyre
rebellions are so terrible,

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because, well, I've, I've sworn
into the Targaryens, but there's

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these other Targaryens who don't
like these Targaryens.

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So I got to pick a side.
That's the only reason why we're

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having wars right now.
Yeah.

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Because if I'm not mistaken,
before Aegon the first conquered

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everyone a lot of the realms
kings were fighting each other

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anyway.
Like the Riverlands was always

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fighting with the Westlands so.
Right.

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And that, that was the thing he
did.

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He stopped all that.
OK, yeah, but.

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I the Dragons just made the the
Dragons just made it easy to say

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you eat the needle or you burn
or you.

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Burn I.
Mean, I'm not mad at that right

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now.
Since you mentioned the oath, I

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will say this too, because a lot
of this show has been about

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honor, You know, about who has
it, who displays it, who was

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truthful and that sort of thing.
I will say this.

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The fact that they confirmed in
this episode that Duncan was

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never knighted, that he is not a
true knight, I have to say I'm

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disappointed in that.
Because for the 1st 4 1/2

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episodes of this season, you
give us this character who is

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always talking about honor,
who's always talking about doing

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the right thing and who has this
huge heart and he wants to help

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people.
I get it.

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But to find out that he, he lied
his way in there to get into the

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list.
And I understand he did it to

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try to, you know, try to better
his lot in life.

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And he didn't think that he was
going to come into contact with

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the Princess of the realm and
and all of this, he didn't think

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he was going to get mixed up and
all this.

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I get it.
It's I mean, it's a thing that

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happens, but I don't know
something about it.

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I was so disappointed to find
out like, yeah, you lied to get

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here.
And now it's like from, from one

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little lie, that one little
domino, a whole bunch of other

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dominoes just kind of fell and
all of this chaos happened, you

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know?
I don't know.

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I can't.
I, I can't feel bad because it

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shows that it, it shows him that
you don't have to be knighted to

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have honor.
And I think that's sort of the

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point.
Like he, he wanted to be like

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them.
He wanted to be a knight.

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He wanted to, to uphold these
honorable principles.

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But then he realizes that it's,
it's not, it's not a real thing

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for them.
He looks around.

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All these nobles and all these
Knights, and all this crap is

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happening because they're crappy
people and they don't have

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honor, you know?
Where is the honor in breaking

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the girl's fingers?
Because you're you.

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Your brain is messed up, dude.
Where's the honor in that?

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Where's the?
Honor in lying about your

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brother being kidnapped and
you're lying on this man who had

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absolutely no idea what was
happening.

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I get it.
So it doesn't.

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So it's hard.
It's hard to have any, to feel

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bad for thinking in that respect
in any way, because all these

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other people are just as fake.
They came in this title.

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That means absolutely nothing.
And I did it, but still, it's

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kind of like, I think I heard, I
can't remember if I heard this

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in relation to this show or
something else I was watching.

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But it's like, you can't be mad
at other people for doing

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something that you yourself are
doing.

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Like, yeah, these people are
trash, These people are lying

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and stuff.
But you're doing the same thing

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by walking around calling
yourself ahead tonight when

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you're not ahead tonight.
I guess for me, I already

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figured I was, I pretty just
thought he was lying to begin

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with.
So I, it didn't bother me

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because I was just like, well,
you got to get in there however

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you can get in there.
But I think in his mind, because

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it's kind of like how we, we,
they say don't meet your heroes

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because they're going to always
disappoint you because you're

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going to find out something
about your hero that is not good

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that they have done that is,
that's disappointing.

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And I think the difference
between him lying and him doing

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what he's done is because he's a
nobody.

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Nobody knows him, nobody knows
anything about him, but all

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these other people are supposed
to be these great people.

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It's supposed.
To be the great house, it's

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supposed to be all this great,
great, great, and everybody's

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supposed to be perfect.
And then you see that people

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aren't perfect.
And it's probably very

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disheartening and probably
probably honestly broke his

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heart, because what he realizes
now is that Sir Arlen used to

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risk his life for people who
couldn't get, they couldn't get,

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they couldn't care.
Right, right, and.

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He was a good man, even though
he was drunk and he was violent.

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He was out there slanging that
thing.

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But he he he had honored that he
would fight for these people.

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He would do you know, and
protect as protection was needed

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like he protected Dunk when he
was stoned, cold, drunk,

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throwing up everywhere.
He was still protecting people

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and for him to see people who
are on such high pedestals be

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garbage was like, what in the
world?

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This is horrifying.
This is gross, this is

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disgusting, you know, and but I
I figured that he was lying.

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I didn't think Sarah Arlen every
night at him because I felt like

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to a certain degree, that
wouldn't have been a thing that

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Sir Arlen would have done.
I don't even feel like he gave

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him like the little bit of
fighting that dung did.

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It's clear he had no training
or, you know, and I just kind of

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feel like he was kind of really
just using brute strength and

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hacking like Sir Syria, Pharrell
said.

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Hacking away.
And.

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You know, in, in the book that
make it pretty clear in the

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beginning he was invited.
It's it's, it's really clear and

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obvious.
And he if I remember, he did

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think about that.
He was like he's, he felt he was

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doing this, but he was doing it
because in his mind he knew Sir

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Alan was going to night him but
just die.

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So that's how kind of how he
justified it.

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But he he didn't know anything
else.

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He didn't know what else to do.
Like what else was he going to

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do?
He couldn't go back to Flea

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Bottom.
Yeah, yeah.

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And.
And I think we also kind of we,

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we also kind of get this is
probably why Sir Arlen never

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swear to any lore, because
they're all kind of not good.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it was better to just be

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on your own and do what you
thought was right and fight on

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whatever fight you thought was
right and just and honorable

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instead of working for some Lord
who's going to make you go bully

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some people.
Yeah, and I and I get that and

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and I understand.
And like I said, when when he

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first came on the scene and he
was like, oh, I'm a go to the

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list.
I know it was because he was

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literally in between rock and a
hard place.

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His, his person just died and he
really didn't have anything.

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And he was like, OK, I can't
wander by myself.

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I don't think that was his
intent.

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Like he would.
I don't think he would have made

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it wandering on his own.
Duncan very much seems like the

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type of person who needs to have
a companion.

447
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:52,080
And so he thought, OK, if I
enter the list, if I win, you

448
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,600
know, what was it that they
said?

449
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,520
When you win, you get the, you
get the person's horse, you get

450
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,120
their armor, you get, you know,
you get stuff.

451
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,840
He would have had a way to start
a life.

452
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,160
So I get it.
It's just, I guess for me

453
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:12,240
because of how pure he seems
otherwise, I wanted him to be

454
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,800
above reproach, you know, and,
and for him to not be, it was

455
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,200
just kind of a little bit
disappointing, But I, I still

456
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,080
love the.
Character.

457
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,960
It's it's Game of Thrones who
who has ever been above

458
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,920
reproach.
That, but that's the point.

459
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,600
I wanted at least one.
Person No, that's that's not how

460
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,920
it works man.
Start was living a lie and lied

461
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:39,480
to everybody, even even the most
honorable person I know.

462
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,760
Not above reproach.
I know.

463
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,800
I mean, no, that's true because
Ned lied.

464
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,920
Yeah, Ned lied.
I.

465
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Know.
Everybody.

466
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,040
Everybody.
Everybody.

467
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,440
There's nobody.
Speaking of lying, OK, Speaking

468
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,480
of lying, how gullible is
Raymond Fossil?

469
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,640
Oh my God.
Because how are you now?

470
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,720
I like old girl.
I like the way that she was

471
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,080
cheering, dunking on in in the I
like her.

472
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,560
But the fact that real quick she
was like, oh, let me go find

473
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,240
this dude.
Let me go lay with him.

474
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,560
Oh, let me tell him I'm pregnant
with his child.

475
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,440
Oh, I have a feeling it's a boy.
Are you a singer?

476
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,240
You know what?
You know what happens within

477
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,800
like 8 to 10 hours?
This is overnight.

478
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Was like bro.
I'm so.

479
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,240
Proud, I still love him because
when I say 10 toes down for

480
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:54,680
Duncan, him and Lionel, I love
them so much because they both

481
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,400
proved they were like look we
are loyal.

482
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,600
When Lionel said that when he
was like, your parents didn't

483
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:07,000
risk shit, he was like, I risked
my life for you, Hardesty and

484
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,000
and the other guy, Beesbury,
they risked their lives for you.

485
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaking of which, Beesbury, the
name of the guy the, I don't

486
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,800
remember if he was a maester,
but the guy who?

487
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,040
Was on the small.
Council, Yeah, and Amon bashes

488
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,400
hit.
OK, I just I literally just

489
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,760
thought about that like, wait,
I've heard that name before, but

490
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,560
I I love the way that they are
10 toes down for dump because

491
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,160
even Lionel was like, Hey, you
can come to storms and with me

492
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,320
he was like, I love you like a
brother and shit.

493
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,720
If you don't want that, I hate
you like a brother, but you can

494
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,520
still come.
I love that about him.

495
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,760
And I I'm a little sad that
dunks not going, but I also

496
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,880
understand why because again, he
doesn't want to play that whole

497
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,920
Game of Thrones.
He doesn't want to play that

498
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,240
game.
He wants to go and do good and

499
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,720
be where he can be of help.
So I get it.

500
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,000
But I just wonder if that means
we're not going to see Lionel in

501
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,640
Season 2, because I don't think
that most of the characters that

502
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,080
we've seen in this Season 1, I
don't think we'll see them in

503
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,440
the next season because if I'm
not mistaken, they're not in

504
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,680
they're.
Not.

505
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,960
But I love the fact that they're
10 toes down for him.

506
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,880
I love the fact that Raymond was
so giddy because he whooped his

507
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,720
cousin's ass.
And I'm like, yes, that's.

508
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,360
Like I think I broke her.
I think I broke her rib.

509
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,560
I.
Think I broke his rib.

510
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,000
You know what?
I would have loved to have seen

511
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,120
Stephen running around or
walking around or limping around

512
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,720
being mad because the little his
little cousin who he bullies all

513
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,760
the time whooped your ass and
the I would have loved to have

514
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,400
seen that.
Props are thinking for not being

515
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,240
judgmental and just.
He was judging, he was judging.

516
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,800
He just didn't say nothing.
Yeah, I mean, he his head, he

517
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,920
was judging.
He didn't say anything out loud.

518
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,440
He didn't crush.
He didn't.

519
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,360
I don't think he wanted to hurt
his friend.

520
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,760
No, of course not.
He was so happy.

521
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,720
Oh my God.
Raymond's like what, 181718?

522
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,440
Him I I wonder if he's younger
than Dunk, because remember

523
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,080
again, Dunk is supposed to be
what, 161716?

524
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,560
17.
I feel like Raymond is, even

525
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,400
though of course we know he
don't look it, but I feel like

526
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,960
he's supposed to be younger than
whatever Dunk is or maybe around

527
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,280
the same age.
But I think Dunk was looking at

528
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,800
her like, really, lady, you
dishonourable, lying bitch.

529
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,960
But you know what?
That ain't none of my business.

530
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,480
I'm going to stop getting in
everybody's business because

531
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,160
this is what happens when I get
in other people's business.

532
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,560
So the point Dunk was like, I'm
done.

533
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,720
She's trying to be like dunking.
She's trying to get a fresh

534
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,400
start.
Yeah, I mean my.

535
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,200
Problem with that, right?
Nothing's wrong with that.

536
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,680
As long as she treat them right
it don't even matter.

537
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,600
Help him out with his his apple
cider business because it's a

538
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,520
girl.
Because you heard Raymond Fox

539
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,760
boy, we going to have some we
going to have some problems

540
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,360
because he's he he looks so
happy, like he's a knight now.

541
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,520
He fought in his first like
literally you get knighted.

542
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,040
You fight in your first battle
and you and you are on the

543
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,480
winning side.
You actually won against your

544
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:32,960
opponent and you helped dunk
beat who he was fighting like.

545
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,560
And then you come, you fight.
This woman just comes to you and

546
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,520
things happen.
And then she's like, oh, you got

547
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,120
me with child.
He's like, well, I guess we need

548
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,280
to get back.
I was just sitting there looking

549
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,160
like you are so gullible.
But you know what, she might,

550
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,840
she might have gotten to the
point where she was like, OK,

551
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,720
I'm tired of living this life
and I need to go be somebody's

552
00:32:53,720 --> 00:33:00,160
woman somewhere.
And I want to say later, I, I

553
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,240
didn't have a chance to research
this, but I do think in one of

554
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:08,520
the books they talk about there
being 2 Fossaway families, the

555
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560
red apple and the green apple.
And I think that's why they want

556
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,160
to make us see the, make sure we
saw the shield.

557
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,480
Because I want to say it has
something to do with the the

558
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,720
tournament at Harrenhal later
that the there are two groups of

559
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,720
there are two Fossaway families.
Stephen probably wanted some

560
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,640
revenge.
It was.

561
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,840
No, this is this is like way
later.

562
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,640
This is like Robert Bradley in
Time lately.

563
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,960
But I'm saying that's probably
what split the family in because

564
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,240
this right here, because of
course, Stephen, you know, he

565
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,800
betrayed his his word and he's
over here and Raymond is like, I

566
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:49,920
don't want nothing to do with
you.

567
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,800
So that probably did cause a
divide in the family that or

568
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,680
that started the divide in the
family.

569
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,400
You know, because who knows, you
know, Egg or somebody might give

570
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,040
and Raymond a lordship
somewhere.

571
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,560
Yeah, on his own for doing what
he did.

572
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,760
Yeah, because I'm sure Egg would
probably be like, yeah, you are.

573
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,360
You are a good person.
You are a true knight and you

574
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,120
are a loyal friend.
Yeah, I'm a bless you with all

575
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,199
this stuff that your cousin got
by being, you know, a traitor.

576
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,239
A traitor.
Oh, did did y'all catch Lionel

577
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,480
when he was like, you know, we
can travel the world?

578
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,280
Hey, you ever been to TARP?
Yes, yes.

579
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,320
I was so sad when he turned him
down because I.

580
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,760
Was like, we know he makes the
tarp, somehow he makes him

581
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,120
there.
Eventually.

582
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,000
He makes his way there somehow.
Because.

583
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,120
But Lionel also said you know
there's a war coming.

584
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,159
Yes, yeah, yes.
Yeah, the Backfire rebellion,

585
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,840
probably.
Yeah, because Dunk asked that

586
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,600
question.
What was it when when Lionel was

587
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,880
talking about Baylor and he was
like, you know, he, he put

588
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,000
himself out there and, and risk
nothing.

589
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,880
And what did he say?
And the gods don't favor a

590
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,480
fraud.
And that's how he looked like.

591
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,800
Because Lionel was not bothered
at all about the fact that

592
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,440
Baylor died.
He's just like, yeah, he's just

593
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,440
another dragon.
OK, whatever.

594
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,920
And dunk.
The only good dragon is a dead.

595
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Dragon, right, and Dunk is like,
can you have some respect?

596
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,040
He he's risked his life for me.
He he died for me.

597
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:33,280
Lionel was like he risked shit
like no, but and then they have

598
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,680
that that conversation because
Dunk is like, well, if the guys

599
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,720
don't favor frauds, why?
Why did they favor me?

600
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:47,800
Or even egg like egg out here
lying and and doing his thing to

601
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,680
get what he wants.
But you know what I really feel

602
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,160
like?
So the thing with Egg I feel is

603
00:35:55,160 --> 00:36:00,080
different because obviously Egg
has been born into this family,

604
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,480
this supposed great family.
And things are going to be

605
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,560
expected of him, whether he is
sins or whether he's just a,

606
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,680
just a Targaryen.
And it's very, very obvious.

607
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,640
This kid does not want this
destiny.

608
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,360
He does not want this family.
He does not want to be a part of

609
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,720
this because what good has it
done for him?

610
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:27,240
You know what I'm saying?
Like again, you are a kid and

611
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,680
you are so upset about
everything that happened that

612
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,280
you try to go and kill your
brother.

613
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,880
And your father is there and he
just looks at you and goes to

614
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,760
hold your shoulder because he's
like, I understand.

615
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,840
How messed up is that?
You don't say anything to your

616
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,920
younger child, you don't scold
him, you don't even you're not

617
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:56,080
even angry with him because you
understand the motivation that

618
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,600
is making your 9 year old try to
go kill his brother.

619
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,720
I think you understand and.
The fact that Egg has basically

620
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:08,880
told him, yes, I want to be a
Squire, but I don't want to

621
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,360
Squire for anybody else.
But this man here talking about

622
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:19,120
duck, seriously, he knows that
if he Squires for duck, they're

623
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,200
not going to have a place to lay
their head.

624
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,360
They're going to be Wanderers.
He's going to have to eat his

625
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,240
heart soft beef and he doesn't
care.

626
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,880
That's what he wants.
The fact that you are not paying

627
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:37,680
attention to this and then when
Dunk comes to you and says, OK,

628
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,720
yeah, I'll take him to Squire,
but we're not going to Summer

629
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,840
Hall because look at what how
your other kids turned out.

630
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,480
No, we're going to do this.
We're going to live this way.

631
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,240
We're going to sleep on the
road.

632
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:52,520
We're going to sleep in ends
basically live like a peasant.

633
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,600
And you got the nerve to be all
hoity toity like my son is of

634
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,120
the royal blood.
He's not going to sleep like a

635
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,240
peasant.
Guess what?

636
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,880
He going.
To sleep out something then you

637
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,520
going to let him do this?
Because when he when when Dunk

638
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,160
was about to leave, an egg
showed up and he was like, my

639
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,120
Lord father says I am to serve
you.

640
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,320
I say your ass is lying, Egg,
you're lying.

641
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,640
You're lying.
You're lying.

642
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:31,760
And it's so funny because I I
saw something I saw article that

643
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,200
says that that is actually a
departure from the books,

644
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,520
because in the books Makar does
tell Egg, OK, you you can go

645
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,640
Squire for him.
And then after they show the

646
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,760
little title card at the end of
this episode, you see the

647
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,800
Targaryens rolling out and you
see Makar just looking around.

648
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,680
He's just like, has anybody seen
Aegon?

649
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,600
No, Sir, we haven't seen him.
Where the fuck is he?

650
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,160
I just fell out laughing.
I was like, that's what you get,

651
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,400
that's what you get.
But you know what somebody said

652
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:07,320
that really what that was about
was him knowing he knew Aegon

653
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,360
ran away, but he couldn't tell
everybody Aegon ran away.

654
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,320
We had dumped to go be, do it,
blah blah.

655
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,880
So he was like.
We know where is he because of

656
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,920
that.
So I'm, I was thinking about

657
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,720
that.
I was like, you know, he could

658
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,160
act like he's mad about it so
people won't think he just let

659
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,160
him go.
But maybe he did.

660
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,040
He could actually let him go.
Could have, yeah.

661
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,640
And now he just playing.
Roles It was funny because

662
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,560
everybody else, you know, the
people who are close to them is

663
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,960
looking like, Oh yeah, that
joker ran off again.

664
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,000
The brothers.
The brothers are probably

665
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,400
looking Darren.
Darren is probably like, yeah,

666
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,880
he ran off and good for him.
Yeah, he probably pissed too,

667
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,160
because that means he got to
stay there because Arianne is

668
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,760
about to go.
He's banished to the East.

669
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,440
Amon is about to be sent to the
Citadel and is now gone.

670
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,760
So it's just him blessing and a
curse.

671
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:10,240
I don't know but.
Well, I do like that what's his

672
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,560
name's daughter was like, the
told the.

673
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,600
OK, she.
Didn't blame him.

674
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,280
Yeah, I.
Blame you to.

675
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:23,280
My name day because what they
did to you was crap yeah I I

676
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,240
like that I was like OK some
somebody said something to him

677
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:30,720
that was that was nice because
everybody else is looking at him

678
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:34,120
and kind of whispering and
pointing and you know the.

679
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:41,360
All of a sudden mad at him now.
Yeah, but it's, again, going

680
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,080
back to the conversation that
Dunk and Makar have when he

681
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,720
first goes in there.
Makar is feeling bad because he

682
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,480
was like, I know people are
going to say that I meant to

683
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,160
kill my brother.
He was like, but I love my

684
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,080
brother.
And Dunk is like, yeah, you

685
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,200
swung the Mace, but it was my
fault that he died.

686
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,320
And I was like, no, it wasn't.
It really wasn't.

687
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,640
I mean, again, there's so many
points where we can lay blame

688
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,840
equally at everybody's feet.
Yeah, don't you lied to get into

689
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,520
the list.
But again, you weren't expecting

690
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,400
Targaryens to be there.
Then here comes egg line kind of

691
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,240
sort of lying by omission about
who he is and gets you kind of

692
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,160
mixed up in there.
Then here comes Ariana being an

693
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,840
asshole and attacking people.
And of course, your arm is not

694
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,760
just going to let you sit back
and do that.

695
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,200
So Ariana has a little bit of
blame.

696
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,960
Makar, you got a lot of blame
because you didn't know how to

697
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,440
keep your your sons in control.
Like, you know, Baylor, you, you

698
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,760
come in and you decide you're
going to join the frame.

699
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:55,280
But again, you had no real risk.
So there's like so many points

700
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,640
where everybody has a little
piece of the blame.

701
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,160
But I really felt like I was
feeling some kind of way about

702
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,120
the way Makar was treating Dunk
because he wants to sit here and

703
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,400
be like, yes, because of you,
It's because of you.

704
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,240
Without saying it's because you
know, it's because your son,

705
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,200
it's because your son and you
send him to the East now is not

706
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,080
going to reverse anything that
just happened.

707
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,560
It's not going to change them
either, because he was he

708
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,720
already he passed that age of
crazy.

709
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:27,200
He crazy, he crazy and going all
he going to do is now go to the

710
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,640
east and learn about the
faceless men and about the the

711
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,680
golden company.
All these people that's over

712
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,680
there doing crazy stuff or
whoever.

713
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,280
If they they don't know if they
exist yet, but because I know

714
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,880
they come from one of the black
fire people.

715
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,400
But like whatever they are over
there in the shy and all these

716
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,440
other places and Essos.
Come on man.

717
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,320
Right, you think?
That's going to help him.

718
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,720
Nah.
But he's supposed to find honor

719
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,120
over there.
Yeah.

720
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,240
Good luck with that and the
precincts, OK.

721
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,760
You're not going to find honor.
He going to find somebody who

722
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,320
not going to give a fuck that
he's a Targaryen and he going to

723
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,120
get his ass whooped on a regular
basis.

724
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,320
That's not that's good.
But even with that, people are

725
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,000
going to immediately know he's a
Targaryen.

726
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,560
If they know anything about, you
know, the world, they going

727
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,800
immediately know by the look who
he is.

728
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,200
But depending on where he goes,
some of them may not care.

729
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,400
Mike whoop his ass a few times
for the for the old and new.

730
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,760
Right for the old for.
The old and the new.

731
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Right, the old guys, the old
guys in the new guys, Yeah,

732
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:37,520
because if, if ever Targaryen
needed his ass, whoops, it would

733
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,640
be that one.
Yeah, so.

734
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,240
You know what, like Damon did
all kinds of fuckery, but Damon

735
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,800
backed his shit up.
He was a grown ass man backing

736
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,560
his shit up.
This little dude was such a

737
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,240
little.
Punk.

738
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,720
Yeah.
He had to invoke a law from 6000

739
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:02,560
years ago so he wouldn't die
immediately because that's what

740
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,800
he probably would have been able
to fight them because he had

741
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,120
better skills, but Dunks sheer
size probably would eventually

742
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,200
have overpowered him anyway.
And that.

743
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,840
Once that honor went out the
window.

744
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,000
Once Dunk was not Sir Dunk.
Once he was again Dunk from Flea

745
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,840
Bottom.
Yeah, you can't.

746
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,680
You can't come to a street brawl
with formal trainer.

747
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,280
It's just not.
No.

748
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,320
With honor, you cheated.
OK, it's not going to happen.

749
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,680
I'm watching this in the
background and Egg is looking in

750
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,120
the mirror and his hair has
started to come back, growing

751
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,360
back.
I know little Peach fuzz.

752
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:46,120
And the the way that he looked
so upset about that and then

753
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,120
that's when you see he he the
knife is gone out the fish.

754
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,240
I said, oh, he bout to go do
something crazy.

755
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,720
And when he when you see him
walk into the bedroom and

756
00:44:55,720 --> 00:45:02,520
Ariana's in the bed, I was just
like, don't do it like I wanted

757
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,840
him to.
Like, yeah, I want him to have

758
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,560
his revenge because the way this
man, his baby brother, so

759
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,520
horrible.
But at the same time, I was

760
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,760
like, hey, don't.
Don't tarnish your soul like

761
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,560
that.
Please don't.

762
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Do you have plenty of time to do
that when you were grown?

763
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,200
Don't do it as a child.
Just just don't let it go.

764
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,280
Let let somebody else do.
I mean, this man is in the bed.

765
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,800
He can't even move because he
got his ass whooped.

766
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,960
That just I want to be like let
it go.

767
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,240
But then to see how angry he was
and then how disappointed he was

768
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,760
when his dad saw him and just
you could feel that emotion

769
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,360
coming off him.
And again, man car you, you

770
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,520
could feel it do what your son
was coming to do.

771
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,040
Yeah, and that's the thing, like
people don't understand when you

772
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,960
bully somebody, especially when
you the older kid and you bully

773
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,800
somebody and you do really
messed up things to them when

774
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,080
they little, they never forget
that.

775
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,640
He'll never forget that.
He told him that he was going to

776
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,520
cut his balls off and make him a
sister.

777
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,280
He's never going to forget all
this trouble he don't cause how

778
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,680
he treated that girl like
anything that he's ever done to

779
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,760
that little boy around him.
He is never going to forget

780
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,200
that.
And so nothing he does is ever

781
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,440
going to be in eggs head.
He's never going to be forgiven.

782
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,080
And I don't think about bullies
like people don't understand

783
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,600
like once somebody has bullied
you and treated you so badly and

784
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,800
done horrible things to you,
even once you grow up, they

785
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,880
never they ain't forgot no and.
And you got to think like just a

786
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,160
little bit that we've seen and
heard about Ariana.

787
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,680
You have to know it's got to be
way more because Oh yeah,

788
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,560
there's there's a difference
between bullying someone and

789
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,800
beating them up and making them
not like you.

790
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:55,000
This boy wants his brother dead
in the list.

791
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:03,560
Kill him, kill him, kill him.
And then you come with a a a a a

792
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,800
dinner knife.
Yeah.

793
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:10,840
What you about to do with that?
I mean, but I mean.

794
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,720
It was the best time to do it.
You don't do it.

795
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,920
It was and the fact that make
her just sat there and held him

796
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,440
by the shoulders and closed his
eyes because you know this is

797
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,600
what you did.
Your lack of parenting.

798
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,400
Now I don't know where the Mama
is.

799
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,040
I know.
This is about to ask you that.

800
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,680
Yeah, I, I, I do know.
I think the mom is not in the

801
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,520
picture.
I don't I, I'm guessing she's

802
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,240
dead or has been dead for a
while.

803
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:40,600
So I understand you a man of the
royal blood you trying to raise

804
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,760
for for boys, for Dragons.
I get it, it's hard, but dude,

805
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,440
you, you have failed as a
father.

806
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,520
Because that's the thing I was
going to ask you about the mom

807
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:57,160
is maybe that's why Aryan is
like he is, because maybe egg

808
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,560
was the one that you know,
because you know, back then they

809
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,880
was dying having a little.
Kind of like Cersei and Tyrion.

810
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,080
Yeah, yeah.
Like that hatred of oh, you took

811
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,920
my mother away because you were
born.

812
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,400
And that because I mean, I feel
like because I feel like he he

813
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,520
clearly doesn't hasn't had a
relationship with a mom.

814
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,240
Like nothing about a mother has
ever come out of egg mouth.

815
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:22,800
They talked about father and
he's like, yeah, I barely know

816
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,640
that.
I'm mofo, but like he never

817
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,320
brings up mom.
He never nothing about mom.

818
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,600
So I don't even think he
probably even knows his mom.

819
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,760
Maybe right.
And that's, you know, then

820
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,960
that's all Aryan.
That would that would lead me to

821
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,520
think that, you know, Aryan was
like, oh, it's your fault and I

822
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:45,640
hate you.
You know, yeah, but there were

823
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,800
some sweet parts about the
episode.

824
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,560
Dunk being reunited with Sweet
Foot and then giving her to some

825
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,440
Raymond.
That was really sweet, you know,

826
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,400
him having a little conversation
with the horses 'cause I guess

827
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,640
Chestnut asked a question.
He was like, I don't know, stop

828
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,560
asking.
You need.

829
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,440
I don't know that was the horse
was where is killing me.

830
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,720
That is funny, right?
His his little, I guess his

831
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:17,160
Daydream, his vision when he's
with Sir Arlen.

832
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,080
What I say that shit had me
rolling because I'm thinking

833
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,160
this is a flashback to whatever
happened right before Sir Arlen

834
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,760
died.
He's telling the story.

835
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,240
He stops.
He's he's literally looking off

836
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:34,960
like he's dead.
And I was like, oh, is this is

837
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,640
this where he died?
And then he picks up.

838
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,600
He was like a true knight,
always finishing his story.

839
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,200
Oh my.
God, I think he fell asleep with

840
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:51,240
his eyes open.
I was just, I was sitting there

841
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,480
like, oh, is he dead?
I'm literally about to start

842
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,440
crying like this man been dead
since episode 1 and I'm about to

843
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:01,200
start crying because Dunk starts
crying and then he just wakes up

844
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,680
and starts right back in the
story and says because the true

845
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,640
knight always finishes this.
I was like, you know what?

846
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,440
I can't with y'all.
I can't.

847
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,560
They did tear up a little bit
when they went down the path and

848
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,920
he went off because it's like
Dunk finally let him go,

849
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,440
basically.
That did give me a little bit

850
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,120
because I was like, oh, this
episode, man, they didn't even

851
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,400
pull my fields out.
And then it was like that little

852
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,200
scene and I was like, oh, there
it is.

853
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,840
Yeah.
I looked at it.

854
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,960
I looked at it like he's been
with Dunk this whole time to

855
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,880
make sure.
Again, I feel like Dunk is the

856
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,360
type of person who needs to have
a companion and I feel like once

857
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,240
he realized that Dunk had
somebody who was going to be

858
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:44,880
with him now, he could go off
into, you know, his pearly rest

859
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,360
or whatever, whatever they do in
Game of Thrones as far as the

860
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,800
afterlife or whatever.
I felt like he was like, OK, you

861
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,840
know what, Dunk will be taken
care of.

862
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:58,560
I can go now, you know, because
Egg don't tell you that little 9

863
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,360
year old going to make sure Dunk
is taken care of.

864
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,680
Yeah.
Yeah, he's going to be a good

865
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,120
Squire.
Yeah.

866
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,600
I can't wait for next season.
I'm excited.

867
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,920
At the end, did you see how the
title changed tonight of the 9

868
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,000
Kingdom?
OK so this is this is I have a

869
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,600
question because when he
mentions the 9 kingdoms I was

870
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,880
like OK two of those kingdoms
obviously don't exist anymore

871
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,320
what the hell happened to them?
Yeah, they do.

872
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,960
They just, but they they're not
kingdoms though.

873
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,840
They're more like.
They don't really count.

874
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,520
The Crown land the Crown.
Land.

875
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:35,240
The Crown.
Land.

876
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:42,640
That's where King's Landing is
and and Dorn still ain't quite

877
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,120
apart.
They they came together by

878
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,000
marriage, but they never
conquered Dorn.

879
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,680
But they never conquered.
Them and they just don't have a

880
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,520
king.
But they never fully.

881
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,880
We came together.
But that was funny though.

882
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,160
He's like, uh, uh.
And I was like, oh wait, he is

883
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,440
Damon.
Yeah, yeah, they don't, because

884
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,960
the crown lands never had a king
and Dorn was never conquered, so

885
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,160
they're not really kingdoms.
OK.

886
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,080
Well, they're not really part of
the Doctor Princess.

887
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,440
They have Princess, Yes, they
have Prince.

888
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,560
The Prince is the ruler and
they're in the seat.

889
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,040
Sons beer.
But they're not.

890
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,280
They don't have kings.
Because again, the Targaryen is

891
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,960
never conquered dorm.
They just kind of.

892
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,560
Eventually we like look hey give
me a daughter, I'll give you a

893
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,360
son.
We going to do the thing and we

894
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,080
going to be at peace because
y'all tripping.

895
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,400
Yeah.
You brown people are tripping.

896
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,880
Right.
And no matter how many people

897
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,560
the Targaryens sit down there,
they, they, they didn't make any

898
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,960
headway.
They would die from sickness.

899
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,560
They would get poisoned somehow,
somehow eat the food.

900
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,400
Stop.
Kissing old people.

901
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,880
You couldn't.
You couldn't even seeds the

902
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,240
place.
You couldn't do it.

903
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:09,160
Because they didn't know what
plants they could eat, they

904
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,000
didn't know if it was safe to
drink the water.

905
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,800
Right.
Dorm people are, they don't play

906
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,240
fair.
Yeah, which is?

907
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,840
Great, I wish Oberyn didn't play
fair he.

908
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,000
Could have just kept his mouth
shut and finished the job.

909
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,880
Lot of logging and shit.
They obviously don't have the

910
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:32,440
Incredibles there because if I
if I I feel like if I ever if I

911
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,360
was in in Westeros or whatever,
I think dorm would have been my

912
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,960
spot though I feel I feel like I
would fit right in.

913
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:45,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah you would.
But it's so funny when they were

914
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,400
having the conversation and Egg
tells him he was like, there's 9

915
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,600
kingdoms in the realm Sir and
Duncan's like are you mad?

916
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:58,960
He was like, is that real?
I'm gonna die.

917
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,120
I was like egg.
Are you admitting to your

918
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:01,880
insanity?
I.

919
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,200
Was like, please don't let that
be an indicator of things to

920
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,040
come.
Is that relevant?

921
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,440
Right do.
You know, my brother, I was

922
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,280
like, that's one of those.
One of those winky type things

923
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,440
like.
Uh huh.

924
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,400
It's not a part of this
conversation.

925
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,480
That's not what we're talking
about.

926
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,800
We're talking about the number
of kingdoms are.

927
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,520
But I'm like.
When they're trying to figure

928
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,960
out where to go, he was like,
yeah, we should go the door.

929
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,880
And I hear they got good puppet
shows there.

930
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,760
I was like, what the two you
little wing man smart.

931
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,080
Boy.
I see what you're doing right?

932
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,120
I see what you're doing.
Yeah, you're trying to nudge him

933
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,600
in the right direction.
Right.

934
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,240
Look, that's probably why Sir
Arlen was able to veer off.

935
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:48,160
He was like, OK, yeah, and and
he going to take care of my boy.

936
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:54,080
So yeah.
Overall, this season has been

937
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,480
amazing.
Like I I knew it was like going

938
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,840
to be adventurous and kind of
humorous, and I knew it was

939
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,880
going to be, but I didn't think
I would fall in love with these

940
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,880
characters the way I have.
Yeah, it's like, it's hard

941
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:12,320
because I'm like, well, and then
you're not thinking we might not

942
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,280
get Lionel no more.
And I love Lionel.

943
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,400
I know we lost Baylor, even
though he didn't have to be

944
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,880
lost.
I know.

945
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,040
But we wouldn't have Game of
Thrones without Baylor dying.

946
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,400
Isn't that crazy?
George R Martin's evil.

947
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,680
I just want to say that.
I mean, think about all the

948
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,040
stuff that we got because
certain people died and certain.

949
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,800
We we have to pave the way for
Jon Snow.

950
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,320
You know what?
And we're not asking.

951
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,000
Doesn't.
Make it happen.

952
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,720
I'm sorry because.
We didn't really do anything

953
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,480
with that reveal in the show,
and at this point, we're

954
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,800
probably never going to get the
completion of Windsor Winter

955
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,800
because he basically has said he
has no motivation to finish it.

956
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,680
So you're not finishing that
book, You're definitely not

957
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,560
finishing the other.
What was it supposed to be?

958
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,040
Two more books after that?
How many did he write while the

959
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,160
show was going on?
None.

960
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,680
None.
So he didn't work like he was

961
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,480
already up to whatever the one
before this one was before the

962
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:14,680
show.
When's the winter?

963
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,760
He wasn't.
He was writing When's the winter

964
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,640
when the show premiered?
Because I remember I was like,

965
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,400
OK, so I'm going to wait to read
the books.

966
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,000
I said I'm going to wait until
when's the winter comes out and

967
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,720
then I'll go ahead and read the
books.

968
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:30,600
That was when Game of Thrones
first premiere.

969
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,040
First premiere.
And we're still waiting on that

970
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,280
book.
So what he did was he sold his

971
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,320
baby.
The baby became bigger than him

972
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,840
and bigger than his books.
And then he got, he got, he got

973
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,920
tired.
He got tired of everything that

974
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,880
came along with them.
And I'm, and I don't, I don't

975
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,120
blame him because Game of
Thrones was the biggest thing

976
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,320
for at least 10 years.
But eight years, I don't know.

977
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,360
Doing stuff for it.
But I think the other thing was

978
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:03,240
he probably got discouraged once
he parted ways with Dan and Dan

979
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:07,800
and Dave, as far as you know,
where the show was going.

980
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,240
But it's like you weren't even
writing the story, So what did

981
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,680
you expect them to do?
They needed to finish it

982
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,240
somehow.
Right, because if you didn't

983
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,920
want if you didn't want them
taking their own direction with

984
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,840
your characters, then one you
either should have never signed

985
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,320
the deal for them to start or
your ass should have been

986
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:27,640
writing.
Yeah, no.

987
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,960
Well, well, they figured out how
was going to.

988
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:35,920
They figured out the ending.
So he was OK with that because

989
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,720
that's the ending was what he
had, the visions, it was the the

990
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,280
stuff getting there, which he
had.

991
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,280
He hadn't even written it, and
they were writing it for him.

992
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:53,040
The the the assumption that the
way they ended it was not how he

993
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,480
had planned on ending it.
I thought he wanted Danny to

994
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,080
become like a mad queen.
I thought that was his whole

995
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:04,200
like ending was that that's what
he wanted because he's crazy.

996
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,840
Well, The thing is, he's had
several different times, he said

997
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,920
several different things about
how it was going to end, but

998
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:17,440
this was kind of there.
But the biggest issue was how

999
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,560
they were getting to the end
because he hadn't written yet.

1000
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,280
And since he wasn't able to to
give him anything, that's why I

1001
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,920
think that's why he kind of
walked away.

1002
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,960
Was he didn't like, He didn't.
Yeah.

1003
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,920
He didn't like anything they
were talking about.

1004
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,800
So he was like, I'm done.
But you know what?

1005
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,400
Money.
Money can be either a really

1006
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,840
good motivator, yeah, or a
demotivator.

1007
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,040
And I think money became a
demotivator for him because he's

1008
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,200
getting these big fat checks.
He ain't writing anything

1009
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,000
really.
So where's the motivation?

1010
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:55,200
Yeah, and he clearly doesn't owe
a publisher the work because

1011
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,600
they would have forced it out
something out of him.

1012
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,080
But now.
Yeah, yeah.

1013
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,960
So it's.
Well, they know his writing

1014
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,600
style.
They know that the way he writes

1015
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,160
doesn't isn't conducive to being
pressured.

1016
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,800
To write.
To write the book.

1017
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,400
But the thing that I don't want
that's that I don't know, I kind

1018
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,520
of think about like, what's his
name?

1019
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,000
Brandon Sanderson?
Is that his name that started

1020
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,480
writing for your boy Jordan?
Like at some point with somebody

1021
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,560
just be like, fuck it, I'm
going.

1022
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,800
So apparently he addressed that
in the interview he did a few

1023
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,520
months ago where he said there
are no notes there.

1024
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,400
There's nothing.
So there, there is nothing for a

1025
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,680
quote, UN quote Ghost Rider to
pick up on if if he dies.

1026
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,800
Because, I mean, let's let's
face it, this man is close to

1027
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,280
80.
OK?

1028
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,880
Let's just be realistic.
Average lifespan for, for a

1029
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,960
white male in in the United
States is, what, 77?

1030
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,840
So he's already said that.
Yeah, there, there's nothing

1031
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,040
there.
There won't be anything for

1032
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,000
anybody to pick up.
And I don't know if he has

1033
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,680
actually, I don't think he's
chosen anyone to ghost, right.

1034
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,400
I don't think, I don't even know
if he's going to give the rights

1035
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,640
to anyone to say, OK, yeah,
after I'm gone they can pick

1036
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,760
this up.
Because I'm pretty sure there

1037
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,520
are some, probably some great,
fantastic fan fiction writers

1038
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,520
who have already completed the
story.

1039
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,200
I'm sure there are other authors
who are probably like, OK, yeah,

1040
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,000
I can do this.
But it, it's just one of those

1041
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,960
things where it's like you can
have your creative control over

1042
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:40,400
your characters, but if you're
going to do an adaptation and

1043
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,600
you know that you're, I mean, he
knows his story is good.

1044
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,720
He knows that people were going
to fall in love with this world

1045
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,640
and with these characters, then
you should have been doing

1046
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,640
something with that.
And it's like, it's not like he

1047
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,760
can't write because he's been
writing all kinds of other shit.

1048
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,680
He's helping to develop all
these other shows.

1049
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,440
And then it's kind of like also
like with House of the Dragon,

1050
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,000
one of the things I've been
seeing people do a lot online,

1051
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,160
they've been comparing to House
of the Dragon and a Knight of

1052
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,680
the Seven Kingdoms.
And we already know that he's

1053
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,880
already fallen out with the
showrunner of House of the

1054
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:19,960
Dragon.
I think he's no longer involved

1055
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,200
with that because they were also
taking things in a different

1056
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,200
direction.
And the thing that's interesting

1057
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,720
to me about that is with a
Knight of the Seven Kingdoms,

1058
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,320
you have a story that you have
told.

1059
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,760
This is the story.
This is what happened.

1060
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,120
The thing with the Dance of
Dragons, the House of the Dragon

1061
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:49,400
is that whole story is told by a
third party view by two other

1062
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,400
people.
No, actually by three other

1063
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,720
people.
Three different.

1064
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,000
Yeah, you have three different
quote UN quote eyewitness

1065
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,520
accounts giving me stories.
So I don't have a problem with

1066
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,360
the way that they've been doing
House of the Dragon is because

1067
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,880
it's basically all up for
interpretation.

1068
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,840
Because one person who is
looking at things from Team

1069
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:16,000
Green side, they might say some
things or they might say this is

1070
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,960
how things were.
But someone on Team Black might

1071
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,240
see it a different way because
you're looking at it from a

1072
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,960
different perspective.
Then you might have one person

1073
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,280
who is neutral, who is looking
at the bullshit they're doing on

1074
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,240
both sides, saying, hey, this is
kind of what's going on.

1075
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,760
But you don't really have
anything with those stories that

1076
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,800
say this is exactly what
happened, except for things like

1077
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,440
the battles, the Dragons dying.
There are certain things that

1078
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,280
you know happened because it's
there.

1079
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,920
But everything else that's in
between, you can fill in the

1080
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,440
gaps.
And I feel like that's what

1081
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,720
House of the Dragon is doing.
It's giving us a version of that

1082
01:02:55,720 --> 01:03:00,680
story and I I don't have a
problem with that because when

1083
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:05,120
you read the books you like, but
did this really happen this way?

1084
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:08,240
OK, the show is saying it
happened a different way.

1085
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,680
I haven't had a problem with the
way you've told the story so

1086
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,760
far.
Doesn't he have opportunities to

1087
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,400
help write though?
The actual writing of the show

1088
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:18,840
didn't.
I thought he was helping to

1089
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:19,280
write.
You were.

1090
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,600
Involved up until I believe mid
season 2.

1091
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,280
So he didn't like, didn't like
it.

1092
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,520
He didn't like the way they were
going, but of course.

1093
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,040
When he didn't like, he didn't
like what they were doing with

1094
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:36,680
the the story.
Like I think, see, he made the

1095
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,360
mistake.
I think he made the mistake of

1096
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,560
saying that it was unreliable
narrative because people would

1097
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,640
ask him questions about the
stuff in Fire and Blood.

1098
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,200
But then when they do the show
he could he it's almost like he

1099
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,320
didn't want to fall back on
that.

1100
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,600
He was like, no, no, no, no, no,
I want it.

1101
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,800
I think it should be this way.
And they're like, well, you

1102
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,200
don't really give this new
guidance.

1103
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,280
We think this is a better story.
And he said, well, fine, y'all

1104
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,920
do it yourselves, right?
You know, But he should

1105
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:09,080
understand and he he should.
I'm not going to speculate, but

1106
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:13,840
he should realize that once he
passes, it's out of his control.

1107
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,840
It's out of his control because
they're going to quit what they

1108
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:17,160
want.
They're going to do with.

1109
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,400
This one, like they said, he had
a problem.

1110
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,400
He's he didn't like the fact
like the the poop scene at the

1111
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,760
beginning, he thought that was
overkill, that it wasn't

1112
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,880
necessary.
The showrunner was like, Nope,

1113
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,120
it's staying.
And he had to like let it go.

1114
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:34,000
You don't disagree with people
who own the thing that you saw,

1115
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,200
right?
Right, that's just like I was

1116
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,160
listening.
I started listening to

1117
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,320
Unfinished Tales by Christopher
Tolkien.

1118
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:53,920
And in the introduction he talks
about how he's like, you know,

1119
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,440
I'm paraphrasing.
My dad had all this stuff that

1120
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,600
he wrote, all these notes, all
these letters.

1121
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,520
And I'm, I'm pretty sure he
didn't want any of this to be

1122
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:10,280
published, but he, but here we
are, you know, people want to

1123
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,400
know things, they want more
information.

1124
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,160
And I'm looking at it.
It's all right here.

1125
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,240
People ask questions.
All the answers for the most

1126
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,080
part are here.
And I'm sure my dad didn't want

1127
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,600
any of this stuff published.
He probably would say, please

1128
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,040
God, no.
It's terrible.

1129
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:28,920
It's not accurate.
It's not right.

1130
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:33,160
He's like, and Chris was like,
no, some of it is bad, some of

1131
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,800
it is good, some of it is
contradictory.

1132
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,080
But guess what?
Here we are.

1133
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,600
Here's a book.
Here's two books, here's three

1134
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,360
books.
And Frank Herbert is probably

1135
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,080
the same way.
His kid is out making books and

1136
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:52,000
stuff and it's happened when
Robert Ludlam died, who wrote

1137
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,720
The Bourne Identity when he got
every van Less better than

1138
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,520
writing, and this is how it's
going to.

1139
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,400
Be they got 50 million books
now, yeah.

1140
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,400
Yeah, this is how it's going to
be.

1141
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,400
You know, once, once you pass,
it's going to be up to your

1142
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,440
estate.
But they ain't even no guarantee

1143
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,240
either.
That's the thing, like they,

1144
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,360
they talk about, like with Sir
Arthur Conan Doyle about

1145
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,520
Sherlock and how he was just
like, I don't care what you do

1146
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,240
with him when I'm gone.
You can do whatever you want.

1147
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,400
I don't care.
That's why there's so much

1148
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,800
Sherlock content that just goes
on and on and on because he was

1149
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,920
like, take it.
It's for the masses.

1150
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,240
I'm going to be dead.
Like, and I get you wanting your

1151
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:34,160
your thing that you created so
be you know, but you're gone.

1152
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,480
You did.
And and you can't stop it

1153
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:40,040
because like, even Christopher
Tolkien was like, no, no TV

1154
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,080
shows, no movies, nothing.
Then he dies.

1155
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,400
All right, here comes Brian.
We're going to do ATV show.

1156
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,360
We're going to do movies.
We're going to do animated

1157
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,760
series, comic books.
At some point it's going to what

1158
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:53,840
is that?
What is the thing called?

1159
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,440
It's going to do come out of the
public domain.

1160
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,040
It'll be public domain exactly
and.

1161
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,240
Then you're going to give up
like serial.

1162
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,120
Killer Winnie the Pooh and all
this other bullshit that's

1163
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,640
coming.
That gets all money.

1164
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,360
Worth, Yeah.
Yeah, you.

1165
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:16,120
Got to.
I mean, again, if you don't, if

1166
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,880
you don't want people to quote,
UN quote, change your work, you

1167
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,000
know, tell her story or
whatever, finish the goddamn

1168
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,200
book.
I mean, and and here's the

1169
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,160
thing, I know writers have their
own styles.

1170
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,360
They have their own ways of
working, stuff like that.

1171
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:36,000
Sometimes they take years.
I mean, we're all sitting, you

1172
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,080
know, Dina and I, Michelle,
we're we're sitting here waiting

1173
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,360
for the last Outlander book,
even though the the show is

1174
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,640
about to end on their final
season.

1175
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,680
But you know what she said, she
says this all the time.

1176
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,720
She was like, you know, one
thing that I had to let go of,

1177
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,600
but she was like, the show was
the show in the books of the

1178
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,120
books.
She was like, yeah, they come to

1179
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:56,920
me.
They they take, they take the

1180
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,160
stories from the books.
They adapt them.

1181
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,520
Sometimes they make changes
because what happens in the

1182
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,880
books are not necessarily going
to show up, you know, well on

1183
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,840
screen.
And then if you've ever read a

1184
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,880
Diana Gabadon book, she can
write.

1185
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,359
And there's just so much
material that nowadays,

1186
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,800
especially in this day and age,
you can't put all of that in ATV

1187
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,240
show.
You would literally have to go

1188
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,640
to network TV back to the
22/20/20. 2 show.

1189
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,920
Nobody's really doing that.
And that you can't do that with

1190
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:30,560
Dragon.
Food.

1191
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,800
No, that's the that's too much
money.

1192
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,160
And even even the whole time
travel thing, like, yeah, you

1193
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,640
could probably do it.
But let's let's be honest,

1194
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,160
Outlander put a lot of their
stars, like some of their stars

1195
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:48,960
were already in the business,
but Outlander catapulted their

1196
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,840
careers.
I think the reason why the show

1197
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:56,040
is ending before the books have
ended because Katrina is in

1198
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,399
everything now.
Sam is doing stuff now, Richard

1199
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,120
is doing other projects, Sophie
is doing other projects.

1200
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:08,240
You can't tie people down to,
you know, 10-15 years,

1201
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:12,240
especially when the story is not
done, you know?

1202
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,000
And it's kind of like they've
talked and they're like, yeah,

1203
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,120
we kind of sort of have an idea
of what's going to happen in the

1204
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,680
books.
But that's not our show is going

1205
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,920
to end.
Because if here's the thing, if

1206
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,520
I'm adapting a show based on
some books and the books haven't

1207
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:33,600
come out yet, why as an author,
would I allow a show to tell my

1208
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,640
ending that I haven't?
I've written it.

1209
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,800
Because if the fans already know
what's going to happen, what's

1210
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,520
going to motivate them to read
the book once it's done?

1211
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,920
Granted, yes, the writing you
have more details in the book,

1212
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:51,120
but still, it's kind of like if
you already know the the ending

1213
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,840
here, are you really going to be
motivated to buy it there?

1214
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,200
For a lot of people know because
there are a lot of people who

1215
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,520
will read the books and not
watch the show and there are a

1216
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:01,760
lot of people who watch the
show.

1217
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:02,800
They don't want to read the
books.

1218
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,520
You have a lot of people they
busy, they don't have time to

1219
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,800
read 1000 page book, much less
10 of them and.

1220
01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:12,360
Let's just be real.
We will still be waiting on the

1221
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:16,120
nearest as the craft craft the
Narrow Sea heard Arthraki will

1222
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:21,320
be 90 years old by the time.
Right.

1223
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,840
And Diana doesn't even take that
long to write her books.

1224
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,280
I mean, go tell the Beast I'm
Gone just came out, what, maybe

1225
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,400
four or five years ago?
So when you think about it,

1226
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:35,520
compared to George RR Martin,
that ain't nothing.

1227
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,840
I did not realize he had started
that book before the show.

1228
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,760
That is insane.
Yeah.

1229
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:46,240
Yeah, I think I probably got to
the third book and I was like,

1230
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:50,320
Brett, Brad, it's a lot.
I did the first book and then I

1231
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,240
was kind of like, I'm awake and
then I'm waiting and I'm waiting

1232
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,800
and I'm waiting and I've gotten
to the point like I have them

1233
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,920
all on the shelf and I'm just
like, I don't know if I'm ever

1234
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,680
going to read them because I I'm
a completionist.

1235
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:10,320
I want to finish the story so.
Well, I I got the book 4 and I

1236
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:15,000
was like, yeah, I'm good, good.
And I I want to see that was

1237
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:19,120
before that was before they even
talked about being ATV show.

1238
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,160
OK.
I was just like I I'm done with

1239
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:22,080
this.
Right.

1240
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:25,320
You know, it's like his, he's so
good.

1241
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,960
He's so thorough.
Like he just a lot.

1242
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:31,520
But like, it's just so much
stuff that's just like breath.

1243
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,440
And we paired this down about a
couple of.

1244
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:39,040
Yeah, what?
What what I loved about his

1245
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,600
writing style is I love the the
point of view chapters.

1246
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:47,600
I love books like that.
Something is point of view and

1247
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,280
it just got to be too much
though.

1248
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,400
Yeah.
It's got to be too much.

1249
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,760
And you know, he's talking about
he's, he's planning.

1250
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,320
He has, I think, like 15 more
novellas that he's going to do

1251
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,080
for Dunkin Egg, which is
probably why the showrunner was

1252
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,120
like, Oh yeah, we want to do 15
seasons.

1253
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,400
Oh Lord.
Lord.

1254
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:14,320
So I don't know, I mean, I'm I'm
not going to say I would be mad

1255
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,480
about more dunking egg.
I wouldn't.

1256
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:22,520
But it's just kind of like,
again, I'm a completionist.

1257
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:29,840
I really want all of the stories
and I, I just, I feel like if he

1258
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,360
starts more stories with dunking
egg and then just kind of stops,

1259
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:38,600
gets bored, gets tired as, you
know, a brain fart, writer's

1260
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,400
block, whatever.
And just be like, OK, I'm not

1261
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,480
going to do this anymore.
I'll be really mad.

1262
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:48,280
But I will say this, at least we
freaking know how their story

1263
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,160
is.
That is true.

1264
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:57,240
You know, apparently Dexter let
something slip in an interview

1265
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:03,240
that suggested that the ending
for one of the characters is not

1266
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,640
what we think it is.
So I was like, really so.

1267
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,400
That little baby, they're gonna
have to train him 'cause he, he,

1268
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,400
he's, he's spilling the tea, he.
Might be doing that on purpose

1269
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:15,960
though.
He could be doing that on

1270
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:17,240
purpose.
Like him that's getting in

1271
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:22,160
trouble?
I know, but but yeah, overall,

1272
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,360
going back to the show, I did
enjoy this season.

1273
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:29,360
Like I said, I think this last
episode was just kind of weird

1274
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:34,440
with the the modern music and
the the, you know, the whiplash

1275
01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:37,000
cuts.
But other than that, I I did

1276
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,040
enjoy and I really love the
characters, even the characters

1277
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,520
that we hated.
I loved how they were brought to

1278
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,560
life.
I would like to see some more

1279
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,080
about these particular
characters.

1280
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:51,960
So if we're not getting them in
second season, then yeah, right,

1281
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:53,760
right.
A couple more novellas so we can

1282
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,760
find out what's going on.
Because, you know, I looked up

1283
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:00,040
some stuff earlier tonight and I
was just like, oh, that's

1284
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:05,920
interesting.
Like finding out about Valar's

1285
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:09,480
wife because because I'm I'm
watching the funeral saying I'm

1286
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:12,680
like, who's the black chick?
I need to know who that is.

1287
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,440
So I go to look and I find out
who she is.

1288
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:16,880
And then I'm like.
OK.

1289
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,480
And then I'm like, oh, that's
interesting.

1290
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:25,400
So I would like some of those
stories because when you who she

1291
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:29,160
is and then you find out like
some familiar connections you

1292
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,520
like, oh, that should be an
interesting story.

1293
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,880
OK.
But yeah, I, I would like to see

1294
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,680
some more stories, but I, I
thoroughly enjoyed this show.

1295
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:46,320
I thoroughly enjoyed Peter and
Dexter as Dunkin Egg, and I'm

1296
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,960
very much looking forward to
Season 2.

1297
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,960
It can't come fast enough.
Oh yeah, yeah.

1298
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,160
So now, because it's so short, I
know, I know.

1299
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,840
Because now we're just going to
have to tie ourselves over with

1300
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:03,240
clips and I can send, you know,
keep sending stuff to Dina.

1301
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,960
And every time she gets a clip
about Dexter, she's like, I love

1302
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,440
him so much.
He makes me cry.

1303
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,760
Oh my God, he's so sweet.
I hope he doesn't lose that.

1304
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,760
I mean, obviously he's got to
grow up, but that kid is just

1305
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,080
too sweet.
And then for him to be so good

1306
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,920
because like it's he's a sweet
kid and he has all this like kid

1307
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,800
energy.
But when he gets on screen.

1308
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,160
This boy is not his business.
Phenomenal.

1309
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:30,080
Like insane.
And he was 9 in it.

1310
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,520
Yeah, nine years old now.
But he was like, yeah, when we

1311
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:36,080
started filming, I was 9.
I'm like, I was still playing

1312
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,360
with Barbie dolls at night.
I was still like.

1313
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,520
What kid just is OK with shaving
his hair off Girl like this kid

1314
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,880
is in it?
I know, I know, you saw the clip

1315
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:52,760
of him getting his head shaved.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1316
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,400
And.
And he looked as shocked as we

1317
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,800
were.
Like wait, what?

1318
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,040
And it's, but it's so strange
seeing him with hair now in his

1319
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,760
interviews and stuff.
And I'm like, he has hair.

1320
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:11,680
But yes, yeah, he's so sweet.
He's so, he's so good.

1321
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,760
And yeah, I, I really looking
forward to seeing what he does

1322
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,320
with the second season and what
they do with the second season.

1323
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,040
They need to hurry up.
And it's cool seeing them in

1324
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,600
interviews together because they
do have really good chemistry,

1325
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:24,920
yes.
I know so.

1326
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:29,320
They are like Big Brother,
Little Brother and it's lovely

1327
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,400
to watch.
It's so much.

1328
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:36,320
Fun I I enjoy the show.
I like the format, I like, I

1329
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,400
like the lightheartedness, but I
also like that that they could

1330
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,760
slap you or remind you that this
is Westeros.

1331
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,520
Yeah.
Absolutely.

1332
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,840
Yeah, absolutely.
I enjoyed it and it was really

1333
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,840
close to the book.
Like I was really amazed and

1334
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,280
shocked at how close to the
Novelli it was.

1335
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,680
But that's how the first couple
of seasons of Game of Thrones

1336
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:01,040
was.
Yeah, yeah, true.

1337
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,480
That is true.
That's true.

1338
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,600
So we got to wait for this one.
House of the Dragon comes back

1339
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:14,480
in June that the trailer looks
amazing.

1340
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:17,760
I'm just like.
And then when I looked at some

1341
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,520
stuff, knowing what I know about
certain peers, I was like, oh,

1342
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,920
y'all about to y'all about to
just tear our hearts out again

1343
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,840
this season.
I'm just, I'm prepared for it,

1344
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,360
but I already know it's still,
it's going to be like Baylord.

1345
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,200
Like I knew that was coming and
I still wasn't prepared.

1346
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,560
I'm.
If I watch the trailer why y'all

1347
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,920
show me cry face renera?
Why you show me that?

1348
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,960
Because that means.
Right.

1349
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:51,400
It's only one thing.
Like, oh, OK, all right, let's

1350
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:56,200
just go ahead and get ready.
Just gone ahead and get ready.

1351
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,080
But you guys have anything final
to say about a Night of the

1352
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,840
Seven Kingdoms or excuse me, a
Night of the 9 Kingdoms?

1353
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,800
They did say that that was just
a temp.

1354
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,360
That was just a title card.
They're not changing the name of

1355
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,880
the show is still the night.
A night of the seven, right?

1356
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:15,880
Nope.
It was great.

1357
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,880
I enjoyed it and I'm glad that
I'm glad they did it.

1358
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,880
I'm glad they did this.
It's really good because I was

1359
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,880
worried when they started
talking about doing spin offs

1360
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:28,840
and I was like oh what we going
to get and this was a really

1361
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,800
good.
Yeah, yeah.

1362
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:35,120
So can't wait to see what they
do with season 2.

1363
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,120
But for season 1, that is it for
our show.

1364
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:42,200
You can find us online at
www.phantomhybrid.com.

1365
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,920
We are on social media on all
the social media at Phantom

1366
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,720
Hybrid.
You can chat with us on our

1367
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,960
Discord channel, you can watch
our videos on our YouTube

1368
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,160
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us on all major podcast

1369
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,520
streaming platforms.
Thanks for listening.

1370
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,240
We hope you join the
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