Fandom Hybrid Podcast #31 - A Discovery of Witches S1E4

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako. And I'm here with Anthony Mike and Lori. We are here. Discussing a discovery of witches season 1, episode 4 and this episode. They packed a lot in and 40 minutes. I think they could have done, they could have done two episodes and and still had a whole lot of stuff to cover. But we're gonna get into it because there's a lot to go over, like I have 44 pages of notes. So let's start from the top Matthew and Diana. They arrived in France. They go to set tour, which is Matthew's ancestral home. And we finally get to meet Matthew's mother, which she's been referenced in the previous episode. And her name is Isabel de Clermont. And Isabel is not thrilled it playing hostess. Like it's very evident on her face. Matthew gets there.

1:26 He makes very proper introductions to Diana. And to his mother is about turns around. She walks back in the house. I'm like, oh, this is gonna be a tough sell. So she's not pleased at all. We also meet Martin, who is another vampire, who lives in the home, and she appears to be a housekeeper or companion, or someone who's just been part of the family. For a while, her reception to Diana's a little bit more friendly, but still not quite accepting. And they go to Diana's rooms or they go to Matthews Tower.

2:07 First of all, this do lives in a castle that's got seven towers. And as far as I can tell, it's only Isabel and Marta that lives there. And now, Matthew, that's a lot of space for three people. No, but, I mean, if Marquez Marquez, Vampire. Then she can clean everything really quickly. So we'll just needed. So it doesn't really get that dirty look like, you know, just moving really quick from room to room and I really feel for Diane because like, since Michelle was white and when I went to go see your dad, it was the same thing like the glare that looking down his nose and the sizing up that stuff to go through. And it's like even when she said when she tried to speak old French tour and Diana looked at Like, like she had no idea what she was talking about. And she said, she didn't even speak old French. She's just a ruse.

2:58 She only speaks English. And new French. And I was just like, damn your and we see that. But yeah, it's kind of like, I don't think Matthew would have gotten the same kind of reception. If he brought up Vamp another vampire home, you know, I don't think it was just the, oh, he brought a girl home because given his age. I'm sure he's brought a girl or two home to Mama. Or maybe a couple of yeah, he's a Playboy. He's definitely brought at least 45 amps there. Know if I don't know if I look at Matthew as the Playboy type, he doesn't seem to come across that way. He seems very old-fashioned in a lot of things. Look at this way.

3:41 He's been alive since 500 BC. R AG whichever one he chooses and he's he's there's bound to have changed a little bit over the centuries and millennia. That he's been alive. He's like, he might have been a Playboy for 500 years and been stable for 500. Maybe he was gay for 250 and like a woman ever to be a woman for 250. You mean? Yeah, there's a lot of time between there where he could have. I mean, I wonder that lots of different things. It's really boring being the same for thousands upon thousands of years. You the same person for thousands of years. That's boring. He had to Changed up somehow. Oh no.

4:24 Think about Louis from Interview with the Vampire. He was the same Moody. I mean, I think this dude is different though. He was kind of different. He was already kind of messed up. Well, but anyway, so they get to the home. Matthew is giving Diana. Tour of the home. And, you know, he also he kind of mentions his stepfather again, Philippe. And when Diana asks him about Philippe's death, Matthew mentions to her that he was killed during World War Two, but that's pretty much all he'll say about it. And then he leaves Diana.

5:11 So she can get some rest and then you see Matthew approaching a lot during the house and his mother appears behind him, you know, very specifically saying, Saying she wants that door locked while she is here. And again, you you feel a little bit of the hostility that she has towards Diana. And in this exchange we find out that the locked doors Philippe's, it goes to his office. And Matthew asks for Access so that he can do some work and we find out that Philippe was killed by witches. And this is one of the reasons why Isabel has such hostility towards die. Anna not that Diana had anything to do with it, but it's kind of one of those things where just because she's a witch right now, as far as Isabel is concerned.

6:04 She's a representative of her whole species so which is killed my husband. You are which there for you pretty much killed my husband. That's kind of the way she's approaching it and Matthew doesn't like this version of his mother. And he said something about it in a conversation, they have later on, but we'll get to that. Diana is having these strange dreams. Again. She has another spider dream where she wakes up, covered in spider, webs, but the thing about this dream is she has a dream about her mother. And in this dream, her mother standing in the window.

6:46 She's bloody the way that she looks from the murder scene photos and Calling Diana's name and Diana reaches out to her. And of course, she sees the spider webs and she wakes up and she's kind of she's like, in a Zone. She's it's weird. She comes out of it and she is. Naturally startled. But also I think she's trying to figure out like, I don't know if she's having visions. I don't know if something is trying to warn her about something but it's just that's the second time. She's had one of these dreams, and we don't really have any context behind what's causing the dreams, you know, at first, when she had the dream in the last episode.

7:31 I thought that that was something that was happening to her because of the book. And now I'm not, so sure. Because she's got all this other stuff going on, you know, the witches are kind of after her, you know, Knox has been doing stuff and I don't know. It's just Diana's got a lot going on. Yeah, I think it's dead. I mean, it's definitely I think the among all the other powers that she has, that she has no idea that she has is probably. She probably does have some kind of link to visions and to peep into her. As where they can warn her about things that are coming up and like, this, freaking spiders was always have before this book. The spiders are maybe a way or is somebody someone else manifesting themselves and saying, okay, you need to be really careful because you got cause dangerous coming. So, and then spiders when they weave, their webs, they stay. They stay in one spot and have their legs on all the way, all the web's to feel when something hits their Either is danger of food so they can figure out which way to go. I think maybe the spider is a manifestation of letting her know which way she needs to go, or which way she needs to go or who sneezed which play, Aarhus needs to avoid in order to avoid danger.

8:56 Now, question, when she, when she had that dream in the last episode. Am I correct in remembering that immediately after she had that dream. She got, she got a call from her. It's because that happened in this episode, and I was trying to remember. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. She was doing the same thing and looking for looking looking for something and she got snapped out of it somehow. Okay, because I like, I remember Emily saying something about, she was also having weird Visions about about Diana, and then immediately after Diana snaps out of this dream, her phone starts ringing.

9:37 And it's her aunts. Yes, and they're calling her because they said something about your, your phone. Your ring tone has changed or something. So, I guess, because Diana went from England to France, maybe something about the way the way the calls. Go through sounds different. I noticed that when I call like, if I call someone that's somewhere else, the ring, you know, just the dial tone, sounds a little different. So I don't know if that's, that's what happened with them. It gives you like that. Yeah. The rain kind of let you out of the country or so, of course, they're like, where are you? Why is your ringtone different with? Like I said it last episode.

10:19 Sarah is like the over protective worrywart. Aunt, she's the one that's going to be calling. Like, what are you doing? What are you wearing? Where are you going? What are you eating? She's big, you know, she seems to be that worrisome. But of course with Diana you kind of have to be with everything that's going on. And so Diana, basically tells the Them. Yeah. I am not there. I had to leave Oxford because Peter knocks threaten me, which doesn't surprise Emily and Sarah, because they're like, yeah, he kind of harassed your parents too. But then when she tells them where she is and who she's with, they don't even get concerned about the fact that she's with Matthew.

10:59 They're like, Is about the Clermont. You need to get the hell out right now. She is a witch killer. She has a reputation. She has. She has decimated coven's for decades, like completely wiped out covens in South America. They don't say why they don't say how they know. But they're basically giving her this morning. I was like, oh, this just got really interesting. You've got a witch killer with a witch in the house. Hmm. Yeah, but we found out later where her reasons are. Oh, yeah, that's true. But at this point, we didn't know. So I was just kind of like, gonna be interesting.

11:39 Well, I had hoped at the time watching it, I had hopes for her because she didn't kill her on the spot. Like, see, you didn't Slaughter her right there. She just gave her the meanness. You look, well, you know, I think they probably would have caused some problems with her son. Has she done that? You know, I mean, regardless of how she About Diana. That is still someone her son brought home. So I guess she figured. Okay, if Matthew brought her here knowing because I'm pretty sure Matthew knows his mother does not like witches especially given the fact that which is killed his stepfather. So, you really think, did you say she's under my protection or something to that effect.

12:23 He did say something about that. Later on not at first but I I think at this point, I think Matthew has to be a good judge of character, you know, to have lived as long as he has lived. You can't do that by being naive. And by trusting, everybody, he has to be a good judge of character. And I would think that for him to bring this, which home to his mother, who he knows has an extreme hate of witches. She also had to sing. He must have had a good reason, you know, she didn't know. The reason was yet, she kind of figured as far as him being attracted to her. But I think she kind of maybe was sitting back to see how this was going to unfold.

13:11 Like. Okay. So what are we walking into here? What's going on? You know, she just kind of wanted to get some more information, but you did have Mart of kind of, since her Aura is that she said, she smelled the power. She could smell the power on Diana and it's me. I'd like sweet grass and like a camera. What'd she say after that? She said she smells sweet and green like what she said, like spring. But I I get the feeling that that Marta. Might be a little bit more than a vampire because they specifically asked her about Diana's magic. And I understand that the vampires can smell magic, but it seems like she might have a particular talent because they kept looking at her ass.

13:59 Will did you see this? What do you think of this or am I imagining that know? Because my the way she did it made me think so, she is a bow. She was probably Isabel's tracker to help her. You found the vampire that has this uncanny ability to sense, which is a power. Then yeah, it's suppose going to need that to decimate. All those covenants that would make. So yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense because Yeah, because because when they, Matthew and Diana are going horseback, riding and Isabel Marta are kind of looking at them from on high and Isabel asked her.

14:39 She was like well and Martin says I have not smelt such power in centuries and I was like, oh that's that's an interesting. You know, it wasn't necessarily about her blood like she smelled her power. You know, she's a Tracker. That's what this that's what she is. Actually does make a lot of sense. But oh that's so we got it. We got to go back to Oxford for a minute because I have to talk about how to talk about vampire Bay. And I know she's crazy. I know she's crazy. But Juliette like that woman is so fucking gorgeous. Anyway, so we go back to Oxford.

15:21 Marcus is on the phone with Miriam and they're talking about the fact that Matthew and Diana had made it safely. The France they're having like some little small talk about the fact that oh, yeah, you know, It I'm kind of you know, I'm kind of worried about how Isabel's going to take that bottle. You know, they just have a like a little small talk and Marcus. He's approaching Matthews room probably to go, make sure that he has everything. Make sure it's locked up. I don't know, but he's approaching Matthews room and something kind of like makes the hairs on the back of his neck stand up. Like he knows that something is not right with in the room and he kind of goes silent on the phone and Miriam is on the phone. Like, Marcus is everything. Okay, is everything? Everything. Okay.

16:02 He's not answering because he knows that something is wrong. So he walks into the room and there's Juliet. And let me tell you this girl, like you know how we said when we were talking about cursed, how sister iris is going to be a problem. This Juliet girl is going to be a problem. And she's going to be a problem solely for the fact that she's a woman scorned, like her whole attitude, her whole demeanor. When Marcus found her, she was like, where's matthew, does he miss me? Is he with that? Which like she's automatically like jealous girlfriend. She's ready to scratch.

16:46 Somebody's eyes out. I mean, if she starts out and she's looking like this, really sweet girl. She's really beautiful. Where's where's matthew at? You see what? They've all of a sudden you see her? Start changing. It was like, oh my God, this bitch is crazy. Right? And she's like this, he missed me. And Marcus is like He left you remember, he, he's not thinking about you. He's moved on. That's what it wasn't. And she was like, oh is he with that witch and they get into a tussle, and they get ready to start fighting at all of a sudden. Whoosh? I was like, what Miriam shows up out of nowhere? And they're promising for those. You see was still on the phone soon, as bad as soon as she heard GSA.

17:29 And she was like, man and there. I thought we were back in a hurry cat fight of the century. But yeah, Miriam came in and shut that down real quick, you know, Juliet kind of collected herself. And she was like, tell Matthew, I rang and she gets ready to walk out the door. Miriam says, what did she said? She says, you know, eternity is a long time to chase after a man. That doesn't want you. I was like, oh, these two don't like each other at all. First of all, first of all Juliet, didn't want. None of Miriam, Sean Daly. Well, you know down, like you know, and it's so funny because I was like, I don't know if Marcus, if she got the upper hand on Marcus because Marcus is one of those where he's not going to hit a female or whatever, but she looked like she was about to tell Marcus's ass up.

18:27 And Miriam walks in. And Shiva says, it's much. You know, she says something to the fact of, oh, yeah, just as usual, always needed. Someone else to fight your battles or something like that. So obviously, this is not the first time Miriam has come to Marcus's. Well, Marcus is not a fighter. He's not a fighter. He is not a fact. You can look at me. Look like she can scrap, Julie. You're gonna rip his head off. That's crazy. Of course, you can strap strap. It's new fight better than most other people because she doesn't have she doesn't have a conscience or, but, or something in her, that tells her to stop hitting people.

19:07 So, if she starts to get people, you saw her. She was with the guy that his name XU. It's like she just went and goes on Instinct. So that's dangerous as hell, especially if you're in that. So crazy and out of your mind first. She wanted a baby brother is getting his ass kicking. You got to go save him. I'm sure that's not the first time. I mean, come on. I wonder if her character would be that crazy if Chabert hadn't made her that way. Because like, very specifically, she says that he taught her to Crave Matthew and then he basically set her free after he had her kind of locked away for a little bit. He set her free so that she could go find Matthew. So it's kind of Like what should be that crazy? It's like I don't even know what kind of conditioning he did to make her that way about Massey.

20:05 And then of course, her and Matthew actually had some kind of relationship. We saw that in her flashbacks. So I don't know if that just Amplified whatever feelings she had for him. But I just kind of Wonder like, what was she before because again, Matthew Matthew seems to, I don't know. He seems to have a type or Or I should say he doesn't seem to. He doesn't seem to me like the type who would purposefully go after someone who was nuts. So she had to have been no a different type of person, you know, or been able to come up. I would he comes across as the type of person that would want to help someone.

20:49 So if a person you, I don't want these were broken, but if there's something person needs help or someone needs, I think he seems like you'd be the first person that would want to help him as a vampire. That doesn't seem to be a vampire thing to do, you know, to be sort of selfless. Yeah, because I'm trying to look at that. The last episode you you talk to me. Yeah. Yeah. And and the other, if just kind of follows where vampires are, usually something like that amplifies who they are already, so it's possible. Possible that she was a little different talking about Juliet. She could have had a little bit of OCD or a little bit of dependent personality.

21:36 She could have a little bit of that. And becoming a vampire, just amplifies that is Roberto would be able to totally manipulate a person like that. It's becoming with you needed them to be. So I'm not saying she was completely crazy, but she probably had she probably was already. That kind of a person have that type of Personality that to be able to support because V thing. Yeah, because they thing he would have, he could have done it to anybody. But no, he had this specific person. She was perfect for what he needed to do. That was gonna be a handful but she didn't want.

22:16 None of Miriam. I want her back story, right? Like I do. I really want to know, like, I hope that we do get that. I don't think we get that this season but maybe next season will find out more about Matthew and Marcus and Miriam and like how he found them and how they became a part of his family. But yeah. No, she didn't want none of Miriam. Miriam came in like Ready to scrap that Miss was fun. Like I had to rewind because it happened so fast. She got in there so fast and I was like, wait, what did I miss? Like did I blink that? I looked out what happened? It was so fast. And yeah Juliet just kind of like straighten up. And she was just like, okay.

23:01 Well tell Matthew I came by. Let me get the hell. All right. Now, this ain't what I want. But okay, let's go to the congregation. Because this is. So this congregation thing, we find out a lot. And so the congregation is the session Peter Knox has apparently called for an emergency meeting. So we get the demon Representatives coming in as nox and satu are having a conversation. And we find out that Nats mother, who we met in the last episode. She is actually the leader of the demons and I'm going to go to this little Conversation. Because in the grand scheme is, it kind of doesn't seem like it would be important.

23:49 But given something that happened with situ in the last episode. I thought, you know, that's something really specific to put in the conversation and in the show. So, Peter goes over. He introduces situ to Agatha and he makes a comment. You know, he tells Agatha. Yes, that's who is our new, which representative on the congregation and Agatha. Has very pleased, you know, because it's another woman and Peter says, yeah, Agatha has been on to us about adding more women to the congregation. But, you know, our vampire colleagues, take offense, take exception to that. And settu asks, why and Agatha makes a remark that all of the vampire Representatives over the past.

24:33 Nine hundred years, have all been white males and, you know, set to has like this brief look on her face. And like I said, in the last, S episode. She made a comment to Rico when he talked about the responsibility of administration of the congregation passing on to all of the Elder male members in his family like is a very male-dominated organization. And I don't know, I was thinking about the fact that Anthony you were saying that you feel like even though situ is working with Knox. Now you feel like she's going to be one of those characters that turns and for some reason I feel like this whole male dominance thing is going to be the thing that turns her, you know and having that conversation there just kind of Out there in the open like that. I was like, oh y'all are dropping this one of those little hints again, like like this conversation is going to be very important and in a later episode. I just feel it.

25:42 But then of course, it just seems like in the future at some point said to is going to have to make a choice. It may not be soon. But at some point in the future she's going to have to decide which side. Is she going to be on? And it may come down to To the broader picture which is taken down the patriarchy that of this organization that maybe when it comes to. Because remember she said her mother taught her, you know, everything she knew, you know, and and it's going to be a thing where way it's witches are not all men. So why is it always just making on the congregation?

26:24 Right? Right, because I think it was sad to and Agatha. I think they're the only two women on the Congregation. Yeah, that was. So, of course, they're having this conversation in after Agatha makes that remark, Here Comes vampire, who seems to be very irritated by, by that remark. He's like, are you done Agatha? And I'm like, oh, white male vampire, you know, and it happens to be the vampire Baldwin that we talked about earlier. We were trying to figure out who this person was, because this is the person who's your bear was like, I don't want him in my business. And Baldwin walks into the building with Javert and Domenico and its size.

27:08 So, these are the three vampire representatives and they go into the chamber and they meet in this session. And like I said, Peter Knox is the one who called the session and he's there on behalf of the witches to request assistance from the congregation because he says that congregation rules have been broken because Matthew has abducted a witch and it is at this point that we find out that Baldwin is Matthews older, brother. The plot thickens. So not only is Matthews brother, the head of the congregation. You're rich representative, just accused your brother of kidnapping a witch in front of the whole congregation.

27:56 Just basically I feel like I feel like that was kind of a challenge to Baldwin. You know, it maybe not directly but it was one of those. Yeah, you're in charging. You can't even keep, you know, you can't even keep tabs on your brother. You can't keep control of your brother. He's the one of our witches, you know, and it is very sneaky. Very, very sneaky. Is this? Just like, come on man? Like he said she was abducted and he is like the way he did it. It's like you can see how likes a to was just like. Wait, huh?

28:40 You got you and you would think that he would do that. He would have got, put the story got the bond over this morning with her. So she doesn't look like surprised when he says something like that musicians. Like but that's not the only thing she was surprised about because As they're doing all of this, you know, Knox is giving them. He's given them. Quote, unquote evidence of Matthew stocking, Diana and he sending this through, through their cell phones through text message. So, I'm assuming that while they were together at the library or the times that they've, you know, been together. Knox has probably been, you know, like sneakily snapping pictures or whatever probably taking pictures. I don't know if she's got that much Goods. Like, I don't think anyone would never underestimate wanting to impress people.

29:31 The need to impress people and wanting and upward and the potential for Upward Mobility. Never Never Scared to do something like that. But if it, but if it made her look good, and knocks his eyes and potentially made her move up in the world of witches. She can swallow that and B, and not in just be all sketchy around her around Diana. While she's not, there you sell, she's all in her business anyway, so it's like, you know, what, how far is that from following kind of being behind her and taking pictures of your cell phone and sending them to Knox? Look what she's doing. Now. Look what she's doing. Now. Look what she's doing now. I mean, she's a snitch. She says that she's been proven to be a snitch. So, I mean, that's the one thing that she's good at your mean.

30:14 She's damn sure not good at picking wigs. She's good at snitching. That's her thing. Like is going to talk about this bad wig the whole city. Bowl. I don't think that's my point. I don't think Gillian is the type. She doesn't seem to me like the type of person who's looking to get ahead or looking to move up in the ranks. I think as Despicable as her character is to me, I think she really just thinks that she is doing. What's good for the coven. I think she really thinks that she's trying to protect. And she thinks she's trying to protect Diana as well because of the way they have their prejudices against the vampires. She thinks she's looking out for Diana. She thinks that because Dianna is not familiar with the way that their world works because she has done everything in her power to cut herself off from that world. She doesn't know about the dynamic. She doesn't know about the rules and I think Jillian probably looks at Diana as a little bit naive and she really thinks she's protecting her, but she doesn't realize that her actions are actually making things worse for Diana, you know, so I think I think she started out with good intentions and now it's just gone to the point where because knox's and is involved and Knots knows that she and

31:45 Diana are acquaintances. If not friends. He's using that to his advantage and of course not to be. And the kind of overbearing overpowering person that she is. Somebody like, Jillian, doesn't know how to stand up to him and she doesn't know how to say no. So, I really think she's kind of stuck between a rock, and a hard place right now. Doesn't mean I excused her and doesn't mean that I like her character, but she does seem to be kind of in an impossible situation right now. I don't think she's doing it for any kind of game for herself. That's, that's not the vibe. I get from her character. I think I still, I still think she's doing it to look to look good in their eyes, because she doesn't have that much self-esteem.

32:31 So she's doing something so that she can feel like she's part of it. I don't think she feels like, she's really part of cut part of a coven because she's just kind of on. She's always trying to impress. He always trying to let you see higher up sheet raw, always trying to make them notice her. And that's desperate thing and I'm like in that just turns her into a snitch and it's just I mean, that's just that's just kind of how I see it though. Can we discuss what I talked about last episode knocks making this miscalculation by looking desperate because he really just wants someone else to turn the witch over to him because he can't get her himself. Oh, I'm so I'm about to get to that. Because like I said, I was going to get your foreman and yeah, okay.

33:24 Because he so he's giving them all of this evidence, you know. Trying to show them that Matthew has, you know, abducted Diana. And at this time, there's like a small break because Baldwin is trying to figure out where his brother is. Like, once once knocks pretty much out at Matthew as the kidnapper. He's like, yeah. We need to bring a man, we need to Punish him. And of course, while this is going on Dominica, as your are exchanging, looks like, oh, we gotta, we gotta, you know, so, Baldwin calls. Matthew doesn't get an answer. So he calls Marcus and he's basically questioning Marcus.

34:07 Where's matthew? Did he abduct the? Which, what's going on? And Marcus is trying to, like, protect Matthews? Trying not to say much. It was like, well, why don't you call Matthew yourself? And he's like, he's not answering. His fall. He was like, I understand, that's your father, and you're protecting him, but I'm the head of this house. You know, I'm the head of this family. So you need to tell me where he is. And, of course, apparently Marcus. I don't know if it's the thing about, I don't know if if Baldwin compels him to tell him or if it's because of the fact that Baldwin is the head of the family that Marcus is obligated to do what he says, but when they come back to this chamber and Peter's, you know, giving them the information, or yet. Here's my evidence blahblahblah and, you know, he tells bought when he says, your father, is the one who created the congregation and he created the rules, you know, with the purpose of keeping the humans from finding out about us and to keep peace amongst the species.

35:07 And so they start bickering, back and forth Chabert says that Matthew needs to be held accountable Agatha's. Like, why would Matthew do something like this? Like this, got to be a good reason? Why would he take this? Of risk. And then bought when comments that well, Diana comes from a distinguished lineage, the Bishops. And, you know, he wants to know if she's powerful and satu answers before knots can answer. And you can see noxious thrown off by this because satu says, no, she's not powerful. She was tested as a child and if she had powers they would have manifested before then knocks looks kind of surprised by this because Cuz he doesn't realize that's a to has been in the archives and has been researching Diana Bishop.

35:55 So this is news to him and then Baldwin says, well she has to be powerful because she's the only creature who's ever conjured or who's ever been able to summon the book of life, but Knox didn't tell us this like he usually stuff out and knocks and sitting there like he's got egg on his face because not only has situ giving up information that I never meant for them to know but now Baldwin also has information that he didn't intend for the congregation to know. He literally said this to satu right before the demon Representatives walked in he was like, I'm not going to tell them about the book. We need to get them on our side first. So now everything that he's been trying to plot, his just been blown out in and did not tell you he had to he was going to blow this up, last up.

36:47 He was gonna blow it up because Was he too stupid to realize if you tell them about her Matthews, going to have to tell them that she was able to get the book of life and that's going to change the dynamic of everything. But you know, if he kept it to himself he could at least try to figure out a way you do it. Maybe get you know dominicano or jubair on the side, but if you tell the congregation and everybody knows about it and their changes the game. Yep. Yeah. This is him. Not thinking, you know, big picture long-term be thinking immediately. I need her right now so I can get the book right now.

37:28 And now do everybody know and as I was here, right because Baldwin has basically said, okay. Well I find out where they are. Matthew has her at the family home there in France. So now the congregation is going to send a representative to go and retrieve them and you know, of course they're bigger and because once they find out that knocks knew this information, That had it planned on sharing it. Oh, the vampires appears. The demons are pissed. They're like this book belongs to all of us and you were trying to keep it for yourself. You know, you're trying to you're trying to one-up us and of course like you said, it doesn't work and knocks his favor because not everybody's looking at him. You like you lying mofos you. Yeah.

38:10 I thought Advocates was going to throw out that. Here we go. Again. These white men patriarchy all over again. That's what she wanted to do. But oh, you buried the lead though. I decide know how powerful is it? The Claremont family there. Philippe was the one that created the congregation, right? Right. Dad. That would be the key to the Claremont and being as powerful as they are. So, but that's probably also to why Matthew has a little bit of a disregard for the rules.

38:52 He's like, it's like, it's like, Baldwin is the dutiful older and we can only assume that he is the older son, because he's the one that's in charge of the congregation now, but it's like, Baldwin is the dutiful older son. The, one who follows the rules, the one who has, you know, who does All the scheming and conniving and all of this stuff to keep everything under control. And Matthew is like the rebel little brother. The one who's like yeah, whatever screw your rules, you know, not necessarily he's not that blatant about it. But I mean obviously there is a rule about commingling between species and he is breaking it in a huge way in a very public way.

39:40 So yeah, Matthews like The rebel child, you know? And, you know, the way that Juliet feared Miriam, I want to save a sphere matthewson just as much. It's almost, as if I don't want to say what he was like, I was like just before the Kraang gatien. Like, I predate the congregation. So the rules. Don't apply to me. Right, right, my father created the kind decent. I have nothing to do with that. So the rules of the progeny, I'm not a part of it. So Doc, you do whatever you want to do, but I'm gonna do what I want to do and you can try and stop me and, you know, his parents and I are going to do anything about them because their son but like anyone else like jubeir. He hasn't tried to get someone else to sneak in and get them. Yeah, diesel use a woman to soften them up. Like see, I know how to get, I'll get through his heart, but that didn't work either.

40:35 So now every not everybody knows they're going to like everybody's like kind of breaking off. Like, okay. This is what we need to do. Like we'd like the like jerr-bear and to bear gets together with with with on. What's his name. Remember Carly? Yeah, and then then headed the demons calls her son. It wants to talk to Sophie and try to get her and try to get her opinion on every all on the Diana on Diana. And then after she tells it that Sophie wants to go see her. And I'm like, that's not a good idea at all. Yeah, I can't see that ending well at all, but it's like, now, everybody's getting plans to try to figure out how to get the book like they're trying to figure out. If she can see it.

41:20 You can get it that we can get it from her. So Now, Diana's, in even bigger and even bigger mess than before, like she has, Everybody after. But let's go back to Matthew and Diana for little bit there at we don't come back to the congregation, but we got to go back to Matthew and Diana for a little bit because there's some interesting things happening there at Center. So while Diana is resting, Matthew is doing his quote, unquote work in Philippe's office and what he's actually doing is, he's analyzing the photos from His parents murder and as he's analyzing the photo, he's looking at some of the debris that's in the photos and he's noticing like, I guess some of the things don't look and play.

42:13 So they look out of place or something about them, disturb some. So he does a deeper analysis of the photos and what he finds is a chalk line or which is line, which seems to indicate that Diana's parents. were murdered by witches and not by, you know, the town's folk or whatever the story was back then, when, when they were found, so, He tells her this after the, he's giving her a tour de. They approached Phillip Phillips office. And you know, she kind of tells him the information that her aunt had told her about Isabel and you know, she basically tells him that she's going to make up her own mind about what to think about his mother, you know, she's not going to just take the word of her aunts or anybody.

43:07 She's like, okay. I do know that vampires used to work with the Seas, and you know, that which is played a part of Philippe's death, but I'm not going to come to any conclusions based on that information. I'm going to make my own decisions and, you know, Matthew. Tells her about her parents because she thinks that she needs to go home. She thinks that she needs to be away from their. She thinks she needs to go back and be with her aunts, because she thinks her aunts can protect her. And she doesn't want Matthew to feel obligated. And she also doesn't want to come between him and his mother. And like she said, she knows that his mother doesn't really want her there. And she understands why.

43:49 But, you know, she's like, I they can protect me and Madison County. I can go back to New York and they can protect me here. No, you need to Unique, stay away from the witches too. And she's like, what? He's like is not just about Peter Knox. And then, he tells her about her parents and the fact that which has killed her parents. And of course, she doesn't know how to take this. She kind of goes off and she's like, in a day is for a little bit, but, um, Afterwards, Matthew and Isabel. They have a conversation because it's bows in Philippe's office, and she sees the pictures, and she also correctly to doose's what it means.

44:30 And she asked Matthew, whether or not he's told Diana, he tells her that he has and he also tells is about, he was, you know, she's like and how did she take? He was like, what she didn't fall apart, if that's what you want. You know, that's what you were asking, and You know, he I don't think he's trying to be cruel to his mother but he says to her, one of the things that Drew him to Diana was the fact that she was Brave and that bravery reminded him of Isabel and he's like, you used to be so open-minded at 11 point in time. Why can't you be that way now? And he walks out and it's like Isabel is very hard and you I can tell, but it's like after this conversation.

45:19 She seems to soften up a little bit. Like, I don't know if it's something about Matthew, like, Matthew seems to be able to penetrate that wall with the women in this show. I don't know what it is. But even with his mother, she's kind of like, hmm. Okay, maybe I need to rethink this, you know, but well, if you think about it, he he knows he knows her and if Philippe was killed in World War 2 or whatever, her and sleep had to have been together for thousands of years and to lose him in that way, probably devastated her, which is why she devastated all those cousins, but that's really just a recent thing in the Vampire Life. And he basically is saying you were, you weren't always like this, like most of your life.

46:14 You were Brave sweet woman who's just like this moment. Live with now. And you're not that same person where I wish you would go back to being that way and then probably made her think about it. Like you know what, he's probably right? He's probably the only person and talks to her in the way that she needs to be talked to. Yeah. I mean he he doesn't have respect for way. It's like he's not he's not we're not being mean or anything, right? He doesn't raise his voice. Like he says it in a very loving way, but even so The way he said it like I felt cut because it was kind of like, one of those things like, oh, this is one of the things that I love about you. Why aren't you this person anymore? You know, and I think also to just her knowing that even though Diana is a witch.

47:04 She's also been betrayed by her own kind. If in fact, they killed her parents, so it's kind of like, You, you really don't have a choice but to look at this person or to change the way that you think about this person that you looked at as an enemy. I mean, even if she's not your friend, now, you can't you can't have anything but some empathy for her because she's also suffered loss. The same way that you suffer loss, you know, and even more. So because this was her, these were her parents and she was a child when this I've been, you know, so it's kind of like you can't really blame her for what all these other witches did especially considering they did the same thing to her.

47:51 And I think that just kind of Maybe started the gears turning in her head. Like, okay, maybe I need to look at this, a little differently, you know, or maybe I need to not be as hostile towards her, and I mean, even Diana approaches her a little bit after that, and they have a Conversation and she asked Isabel about Philippe's death and Isabel gets defensive. She's like how dare you ask me that and you know, she points out there's about. She's like look, there's good and bad in every species like good and bad, which is good, and bad vampires, get them. Good and bad and everybody. And that's when she tells his mom.

48:32 She's like, I know I know things about you, but I'm going to make up my own mind on the type of person that you are and You know, she she mentions Diana's parents to her. She asked if she knows why her parents were married. I mean, were murdered and Diana tells her that she doesn't. And she thinks long and hard before she responds to that. And she tells her, whoever did it make them pay. She was like, it's not going to take away the hurt, but it'll help and Diana just kind of looks at her and just kind of like very silly nods her head, but it's kind of like one of those things where it's like, Okay, I understand you and you understand me. So it's like, maybe they don't like each other. Maybe they're not going to be BFFs. But I think at that point, they were kind of looking at each other with like, and agreed mutual respect. But I for Diana's character to not have fallen apart at this point.

49:33 I mean, Your magic has been exposed, accidentally something that you never wanted. You've got vampires after you. I mean, well, not the vampires after her will, technically speaking Matthew Willis for a minute, but you've got witches after to, you know, you you've gotten threats. You just found out that your own kind murdered, your parents. You've had to be uprooted from. Your Helm your life and it's just it's a lot for somebody to deal with. And then we find out this is all taking place in the span of three weeks. That's a lot for somebody to deal with without, like, I'm surprised her magic isn't going more Haywire than it is, you know, one thing Isabel nose.

50:27 No nose of what she speaks when she tells her to go kill them, that is not going to help, but it is not is not Going to cure anything, but it helps because that's exactly what she did. She went and killed when she found that which is which has killed her husband. She went and started Exterminating covens. And while it probably didn't replace anything, it kind of helped. So that's kind of a McCobb moment when you think about it. It's like, okay, go handle you handle business, like, you know, take care of them. Like it's not going to, it's not going to take the pain out of your heart, but it'll give it. It's a start like in she always all she had. Houses way for her to say, believe me. I know and look out into the distance, it almost like you're like you're like which is calling out, calling out in fear and stuff. But yeah, but I mean she she knows firsthand that you know, a little little bit of blood goes a long way and healing We'll see.

51:24 I mean, I'm kind of You know, we keep saying we wonder what Diane is going to be like when she comes into her full power or when she realizes, you know, when she's able to control her her power. And this was before when we thought, she just needed to protect herself. Now, she knows her parents were murdered by witches, you know, and I don't know. Maybe she thinks Peter Knox has something to do with that. Maybe she doesn't, but I won't want to be a witch right now. I really wouldn't. I would be. Oh wait, you know what? Um, I'm gonna go visit the states for maybe a couple of months. Catch y'all on the flip side.

52:06 Y'all let me know when you're when the bishop problem has been dealt with. I don't want to be here for that, you know, even the support of all we like Siberia or somewhere just like, you know, out of her view or or anywhere that you can find them. Just like I'm I'm in an article yelling. You know, when this is that one issue though. All right. Okay. Okay. Here's here's the thing. Maybe cuz I'm looking into this too much again, going back to what we were talking about last episode about how she doesn't seem to have any interest in anything that should be related to her being a witch. She's 32 ish, can we agree on right around there? 32 ish? Maybe 34 around their 30s, mid around there? Okay.

52:53 All right. Um, I don't know about you guys, but if my parents had been killed and they had been killed in a really freaky way. I'm thinking I would have looked into it myself. I don't think I want to wait. Until I'm in my 30s to have someone who I've only known for three weeks. Say, well, if you magnified a photo you can see right here. It was a witches Circle. Something's going on with that. Okay, something is going on because that is not normal. Oh, girl should know. There's something going on from way back. If not, her aunts are hiding something.

53:35 Okay. That's all I got to say. That is a problem. That is an issue. I'm going to call it. I think she's got spell put on. The winner, a spell she's been compelled to forget that my Audible. And you know what that actually does make sense, especially if you think about it. Remember, we were talking the last episode about the fact that Emily and Sarah, sing to be on two different, two, different wavelengths when it comes to Diana. And her Involvement with the witches, like Sarah is the one who like keeps trying to push her life.

54:20 You need to, you need to do this. You need to embrace your, you know, you need to learn how to use your powers, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Emily has been kind of like, no kind of leave her alone. Let her deal with things in her own way. That would make so much sense. And then the fact that saw to one side, two first met her, she tried to do a spell to see how powerful she wasn't. She said something about. You did something to To it, you know, it was almost like she since the block and Diana. So maybe that is the case. Maybe she does have a spell put on her, but maybe she wasn't the one that did it. Maybe maybe her parents did it or maybe Emily did it or maybe some other you know, that that opens up a whole different whole lot of possibilities because she could that they could have placed a spell on her to protect her especially if she's as powerful.

55:14 Like Other other magical creatures, they can sense her power. They can smell her power. Maybe they it that to kind of hide there. But at this point she had met some to you know, she had a mess at situ yet. But remember she met situ in the first episode and saw two tone. Yeah. She tried to do a spell on her and she said, oh, yes! You did. You said you did something to it or you blocked it or Ben. What did you do? So she thinks that yeah, Diana is the one who I guess blocked her own spell blocked her own magic, but maybe somebody else did that for that very reason so that if someone powerful like situ comes across Diana, they won't detect it.

56:05 Maybe that's also why when Peter knocks tested her when she was a child. He detected. No magic. Maybe she already had a spell put on her back then, you know what I'm saying? So which would explain a lot. I mean, because like I said, this is just I got is telling the guys, it's just sort of unnatural on how unbothered she is about, just everything, and even now that she's getting more and more Curious. It's still not to the point where I think it should be. It's sort of like, she's about 35% to 40% interested, but she could take it either way, right makes sense.

56:47 You know, she's like, yeah, like that. Yeah. Because if that was me, Me, I would be trying to find out everything I could, but then again, if it was me and my parents have been murdered, I would probably like, I'm one of those personalities. I would probably be obsessed with finding out what happened, especially since, you know, even when she was asked her. I think she was having a conversation with Sean. And she was telling Sean about her parents and that they were murdered because they were suspected. Of being witches, that's all. You know, after all this time.

57:28 I would have been obsessed. I would have been. Yeah, I it just, it does seem odd even for someone who wants to kind of distance themselves even for someone who has PTSD. It does seem very odd that she just has no clue. And then her dream was when she saw her. Mom is like You didn't see the spider webs, but then when she reached out to her mom to spiderwebs appeared and it seemed to restrain her from going to her mom though, live them thinking that the spider the spider webs are part of this pill you. Since we're in pursuit of Cicero postulating that the that has to be some kind of it has to be, had some have something to do with what's keeping with suppressing. The memories is like the spider is weaving weaving. Its web around the memories to restrain them and to keep them from freezing.

58:22 Those in helping her manifest her powers. So I think it's something. I do think there's something to that. Hmm. That's something new to think about. My thing is that, it makes sense because if you see every time her power has manifested, its Ben's like an elemental power, right, and the counter to elemental. Power usually in Fantasy is either a human or animal type of a power or totem. So spider could be some sort of power. Powerful totem that is connected to whatever spill that might be taking over her. Mmm. So now I'm gonna always got to be a spider's. What is why?

59:06 Couldn't it be butterflies? Or even a fly a fighter? Damn? Hmm. Okay, but we're going to come back to I am because I want to go back to the congregation for a minute. So, Knox is in the witch's archives and he's looking through the files, the Diana, Bishop files and satu answers and she basically starts questioning him. You know, why didn't you tell me you had an official tested? And, you know, I thought we were supposed to be working together, blah, blah, blah, blah blah and he pulls.

59:48 I don't know what this little thing is this in his pocket. He pulls it out of his pocket and he starts saying a spell and the spell basically immobilizes her. She can only move her eyeballs. And he basically, you know, starts while, I mean, he starts skulking around her, not even walking. He skulking around her. Like, he's making himself feel very threatening towards her and he's like, I brought you here to be my Ally, not for you to question me and undermine me like he's basically letting it know you are nothing without me. I was the one who puts you here.

1:00:28 I was the one who brought You hear, you're going to do what I want you to do. He basically insinuates that, you know, when when the humans used to, when they were doing the Salem witch trials, they used to crush suspected witches under weights, you know, to kind of make them confess or, you know, to see whether or not they're witches and he threatens to do the same with her. And he has already, like, he has forcefully thrown her on this table with the spell of his, with his spell. Well, and she can't move, and this little ball that he had in his pocket. He gets ready to sit it down on her face and it's almost like you could feel the pressure of it.

1:01:10 Like this little bitty ball, seemed like it was holding the weight of the world, and she was really scared that this thing was about to crush her. And then he releases her from The Spill. And he basically tells her, he was like, we can only protect ourselves from the humans and other creatures if we work together and he gets up. He takes the files and he Leaves. and, Again, the look on her face when she's looking at him as he's leaving. It's like all of this. All of this anger about. Patriarchy and men being in charge, is like it's starting to fester in her, especially considering what he just did to her. Basically.

1:01:53 He was like, yeah, you're powerful but I'm more powerful to you than you. I brought you here. I put you in this space. You're supposed to be my Ally. You don't get to question me that whole arrogance that he has about himself and it's just kind of like, I feel it coming, you know, change is coming. I feel it to see me. Do anything about it now, but she's going to file that away from me. Yes, darling it away. And she's like, yeah, I'm gonna miss behind because many people will the I brought you into, I brought you into this world. I can take you out thing. That's basically that's basically the equivalent of what he did and it's just kind of like who you can feel it. You can feel the tension when he walked out of that room. I mean if looks could kill he Be dead, which they probably can considering, she's a witch, but I don't think that's what she wanted at the time.

1:02:52 You know, I kind of have a feeling. I almost have a feeling like she is waiting for something like, it's I know she's there with mice but you have to think about it. Knocks went hunting for her in the beginning. Like he's searched, he sniffed her out. He searched her out and she seemed to be like in a position where she didn't want to be found and he found her anyway, so one, even though she is working there with him. I feel like she's either, doing it for her own gain for her own purposes or He's doing it because he has something that he's using against her, but I don't think she's there willingly working with him.

1:03:42 That happened there. I think I think she's there willingly. I just think that she I don't think, I don't think she knew how I don't. I wouldn't call it corrupt, but I don't think. See I really understood understands what he wants. Like. He just wants power. That's what he's about. She just wanted to be a part of the world being on the congregation, you know? Okay. Being one of the influence. But I think she didn't realize that she to him. She's just a tool to get what he wants. And that's how everyone is. Everyone is just someone to be used someone to be a tool, because what he ultimately wants, is more power for himself.

1:04:29 And I don't think she and to that point that moment. I don't think she realized she didn't at that moment. She finally realized that. That's what he's about. He's not trying to work with her. He's not trying to teach anything. She's a weapon that he's going to use whenever he wants to and she needs to understand that that's how he feels about her. Hmm. my ear saying, you can't, Okay, I have a small dick. I'm not really good at this. So so I'm thinking that whatever he put he pulled out of his, what he pulled out of his pocket was something. That was, I think it was part of a rock, one of those rocks that was used and as part of this, one of the ways that he can tap into dark magic.

1:05:15 I think this probably alone that he has that guy that he can draw from that, would give him access to dark. Because I mean that I mean what he did, I mean it's a little black Pebble. So it just screams dark magic anyway, and then the way he used, it walked around her nearly pure wedded her without touching her made instantly, right? We're back. All the cops of that. And they like you saying, basically feel being able to feel the weight of it being put on her and not put on her. I'm pot. I'm almost positive. That's like a part of Of a part of one of the rocks from that because I was just like remembering the play, The Crucible when they, when they were talking about when the guy got killed, he was he just said more weight. When they kept putting stones on this trip, to try to get him to confess though.

1:06:09 I'm almost positive. That's what that is. And I'm sure that's not the Only Rule. Only told him that he has where he can draw, he can draw dark power from the awesome thing. That is I didn't even think about that, but That also makes a lot of sense. Lucky child coming up with these bomb-ass theories tonight, who y'all got? Y'all are going to make it. But I mean, seriously, it's like now sitting here thinking about all this especially like the theory about Diana being under a spell. And that, that makes me want to go back and kind of re-watch just to kind of see if that influences the way that I watched the episodes.

1:06:52 Now, because that really does seem like Like a very plausible Theory, it makes the interaction between socks with a Diana. Make more sense. The way their society was confused about whatever magic was going on. That makes the image that comfort that will see, makes way more sense. Now, right, you take that into consideration and then you have to think about it. So if PSI to try to test Diana's power powers during that encounter, and she could sense that there was something there, but it was hidden. But then she turned around and she read knox's report saying that Diana had no powers. She knows one of two things. She knows that knocks either lied about Diana having powers or that Diana's parents lied to Knox or did something and Knox has no clue that or had no clue.

1:07:49 That Diana had powers prior to encountering her, you know, the couple of encounters he had Her in the last couple of episodes. So I think at this point like saw to knows that knocks. Is there something maybe off about knocks in this sense? Like either you don't know what you're doing or you're or you know what you're doing and you're lying about it. But either way it goes, something's not adding up and I think she's starting to see it. You know, that could be, I get this feeling that as we watch these episodes more and more, that there is a continuous back, plot that we are only getting introduced to a little bit at a time.

1:08:37 But if we look at the full eight episodes, we're going to see the full that was in the background. That actually, by the time we get to, the end of your going to be like really, that's kind of. You see what I'm saying? Because there's too many little Red's each episode like you keep saying that. They keep dropping stopping dropping. Stop it. And it's got that mean, the show is so brilliant, that I wouldn't put it past them to drop a bomb on us, right? And hit us with something, which we will do in the next couple emphasis, but you probably will. Yes. Okay, so we're still in the congregation. Why all of this is going on while Peter in situ are having their thing and Baldwin is, you know, doing whatever Agatha is doing some research on her own and she calls to speak to Sophie.

1:09:32 And when she does, she ask Sophie about the statue that she talked about. She asks, why she thinks that statue is linked to Alchemy and Sophie tells her that the moon in her hair reminds her of the White Queen and the books. That the person that she supposed to give it to is an Alchemy to, which she didn't mention in the last episode. So Agatha asked, she says well, what do you mean? And she says, well I've had visions of this person and she's located in a castle with seven towers and she starts telling Agatha about the importance of the number 7 and Alchemy.

1:10:12 And a cactus is just sitting here listening to all of this. And so He tells her that the person is in the castle with seven towers and she's with her dark King. The answers, like, she's sitting there putting two and two together. She's like hold up. She was like, um, I need you to not talk about this to anybody. So if it's like, who am I gonna tell? She's like, wait. Do you know who this person is? And Agatha's? Like, yeah, I think so, and Sophie is like, oh, you've got him. You've got to introduce me. You've got to, you've got to get us to me and of this life. No, she's in trouble. So I want you nowhere near it. This no, you cannot come near her. No, this is no.

1:10:54 I just need the information. No, you don't need to meet her. You don't need to do this Destiny. No, no, no. And this is kind of like now. I'm really intrigued because everybody's having visions all over the place. So again, we still don't know what Sophie is. I don't know. Okay. Let me say this. I'm going to assume at this point, that Sophie is probably a demon because with a Agatha being on the count of being on the congregation and her son being a demon. I don't think that she would allow that to be with another species or with a human. So I think at this point it's probably safe to say that Sophie is also a demon but then that That makes me wonder. Well, I'm saying because he he's really for interspecies mingling.

1:11:52 Like he's a he's against the ban on it and like he's we know that is not against he's not against the bad. What he's against is the fact that they've based treatment of demons. Yeah. They've basically said that demons cannot. They cannot associate with each other. They cannot congregate. Together and it feels like that's discrimination against their whole species. And he's like, you know, we have so many problems right now because of the fact that we can't come together and that needs to change. So yeah, I don't think that would make it more likely that Sophie is a demon because that's who he would want to be with, right, but see that there's also the other thing obviously makes it even and Agatha is a diva and hello. That's his mom.

1:12:42 So they kind of been around each other their entire lives sort of so, you know that bulls that out the window. I mean, unless of course demons can't. Congregate with her family to a certain ways. Let's see the whole thing with the card, as a group, as a group, but see that thing. The whole thing with the name. Is this kind of Has me asking questions to because one of the thing that Nate is doing, is he created a chat room for demons, who were born of humans, you know, so it's kind of like, okay, so that's what you guys are saying.

1:13:23 They can't, they can't cope mingle with species. But you've got demons who are being born to humans, but clearly Nat was born to his mother who is also a demon. So that means that either she was with another demon or I mean, it's just there's like a whole bunch of questions. I have as far as the demons and their backgrounds and how they fit into all of this. Like, we pretty much know the vampire, sire, sire each other. We know, you know that the witches Tsar. As far as we can tell, they're born witches, but the demons are kind of like this big question mark. You know, as far as how are the demons like, okay. Yeah, like I said, we know that they're born of humans. We know that some of the demons are born of other demons as in Agatha net.

1:14:16 But other than that, we really don't know anything about them. Except for the fact that right. Now, as far as their species goes, their species is also dying out there, prone to fits of Madness. They're homeless, which means they have no kind of societal. They have no kind of they don't have support from the congregation obviously, so it's just kind of like what's the deal with the demons? Like one? Why are they so ostracized as opposed to everybody else and like I think they're going to be important in the grand scheme of things. I think everything that's going on.

1:14:58 I think Dan is going to find out that the demons have a lot more to do with you then. Then we know, I hope so because I've been that is kind of like, I feel like they're giving us this species but they're not giving us enough background on them and it just kind of feels like filler right now, which again, we've talked about this show and the way the writing is and how things seem to be, you know, in my words. It's a more intelligent show, you know, so I don't think that they would just give us filler just to Spiller like well, I think I think the writers are intentionally holding stuff back, especially with the demons because they want to do the big reveal later. That's that's kind of what I keep feeling because we only if you think about it, we if we still look at the story from the perspective of Diana, she didn't know anything about anything right?

1:15:58 Who is long as she doesn't know anything about the demons real - We're not gonna go. Oh, yeah. You're right. You're right. Either that makes him. And so I think that's something that they're holding back for when it's revealed to her. It will be revealed to us. Damn it. I want to know now because we want to keep you watching keep watching regardless. But yeah, but I am very curious about that and it's funny because like Lori said, when we first started talking about the show, you don't really get a lot of shows where demons are a part of The makeup of characters like you get you get demons alike Supernatural, but I mean Supernatural was like just a show on its own.

1:16:45 It's like when you deal with vampires and humans and witches, usually the other component of that is werewolves. I can't remember the last time I did this, you know, this prominent in the story and they're not even really prominent at this point, but we know that there's a main component about them and there's something missing about them. And you're right. I do feel like there's going to be something big that comes of this, especially the fact that, you know, now we're getting Sophie, a little bit more and we're learning about this statue and these Visions. I know that there's something coming.

1:17:25 I just want to know now because I'm curious and I just want to see how the puzzle pieces fit together, you know, but again, there's so much. I'm sorry. Sorry, conical. I know it's fine because like I know there's a little bit of a lag so, correct. Correct me if I'm wrong, but on the demon thing really quickly, we didn't see other than last season. Any day was The Vampire Diaries year, right? We saw monsters, but we didn't see demons. I mean, because the siren really technically doesn't count to demon or am I wrong? We see Diaz and Legacy, but that's the first time because we don't see it in the originals either. You're right.

1:18:13 You're right. And I'm sitting here thinking long hard like whole look, like I just got demons and Buffy. Yeah, I was thinking about. There you go. Angel, an angel. Yes. Yes. Yeah, but I mean, but those shows were so long ago, as like I, you know, like I said, aside from, and you're watching Angel every year. Oh, yeah, every year I hate that don't count Lucifer because that's just part of the story, right? Humming is just, yeah, but but Yeah, so I just I want to know about the demons. I don't know about the demons.

1:18:58 But um, I'm obsessed about the fact that of all the creatures in the weight of the creatures are created. It actually seems that the only two races that are natural-born are demons and witches and I find it weird that the demons are natural born of humans. Because if they mentioned that at least three times, yes they have, which again is probably one of those things that's going to come up in a later episode and be one of those big things. Okay, I'll shut up there. I'm sorry. No, I'm just because honestly, and it's funny because, like I said, I watched this whole series when it first came out, but that was, that was last year. Wow.

1:19:42 That was last year. 2020 was a long year, because I really thought it was I thought it was earlier this year, but no, it came out last year. So it's been over a year since I washed it. So it's like, as we're discussing it, and as I'm watching the episodes, there are certain things that are coming back to me, but it's coming back to me and small pieces. So, I can't think of what if there is a big reveal about the demons, what it is, but that I'm glad because that means I get to experience it all over again, which is cool because and especially now because because when I started watching the show, there weren't a lot of people that I knew who were also watching the show.

1:20:30 So like I didn't have an opportunity to talk about the show like I'm Doing right now with this podcast. So I just with me if I'm not talking about something consistently. I'll tend to forget about things. So, the fact that I'm, that we're able to talk about it, like things are sticking in my mind, a little bit more. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm starting to remember this. I remember this, but I don't remember like certain things, which is great because, like I said, I get to experience it again. But yeah, I'm I'm still stuck on this Dina thing. I want to know what's going on with the demon. But we can talk about that all day. I want to get to, I want to get back to the congregation because Baldwin and Chabert are having a very interesting conversation.

1:21:22 So they're having a conversation while all this other stuff is going on in the congregation. And, you know, Baldwin is telling your bare. He's like, well, if Matthew has the book, he's going to bring it to me like he's He's so confident that his brother is going to do this thing that, you know, yeah, he's going to bring it to me as your bear is like, Matthew has always done what Matthew wants and you have no control over him. So again, Baldwin is B by the rules by the book older brother. Matthew is the rebel. He's the one that's like, you know, what, fuck your rules. I'm gonna do what I want to do. And we see that plainly right here. And Chabert says, like I said, they all know it, we all know. He's going to do with you want.

1:22:07 They all know it rich if you think about it, when Dominica is your bear were talking and Dominica was like yeah, we need to use this as an opportunity to you know to bring to bring Matthew in and get him punished and stuff. They knew that this was the only way they were going to be able to do it because other than that, they just can't they can't do anything with Matthew and Dominica was going to find that out in the hard way in a little bit, but we'll talk about that too. But It's so severe. Basically he's telling ball when he's like, look the vampires applauded for more power. The demons have become unruly, you know, we used to rule this with an iron fist, basically saying that the vampires used to be the strongest of them all and now jubair feels like they're losing their grip on that control and he thinks part of that is Matthew's fault, you know, he's like your brother is Everything that we that we've been doing and your lack of control over him, you know, seems to weaken us and it's compromising our position.

1:23:19 And I feel like he was lowkey challenging Baldwin when he said that he was like, oh, you know, maybe the declare - don't have as much control as they used to, you know, over 800 years is kind of like yeah, you guys have been on top of the food chain and now it's all coming apart because your brother can't stay away from a witch. That's basically what the implication was and Baldwin's looking at him, like how dare you, but at the same time. Look at you can come for the crown. If you want to write at the same time. You come forward.

1:23:59 If you want to he was making he was making sense. Like yeah, you guys, you know your yeah, your dad started this congregation. You guys are, you know, you guys are the ones in charge, but Knox, just accuse your brother of breaking, you know, congregation rules in front of everybody. There's no way to hide this. There's no way to work around this. Like, this is a Problem that you have to confront directly. And I don't know if you can do it because you can't control your brother. I was like, yeah, he's trying to get that power. And I think that was I don't know, we were talking about the last episode about Domenico and Chabert and just kind of what that relationship is.

1:24:42 And you know, what, what there What their motivations are and I think you should bear probably wants that upper hand. He wants that control and you know knots just kind of I won't say handed it to him on a silver platter, but he just basically made Baldwin look incompetent through the faults of his brother. You know, it's like yeah your brother can't follow the rules. So why why should we have you leading us? Why should you be in charge? I get the feeling that, that might be the least the ball once problems. As far as how long is his brother's gonna have to get that?

1:25:30 I get to feeling, okay. All right. All right. All right. I'll be good. I'll be good. It's fine. That's a good segue because So first, we gotta go that they have this little dinner, you know, there's a dinner at set to her Diana Matthew and Isabelle, they're having dinner. They're trying to be a little civil but Isabel is again. She's she's being, she's being polite, but she's being underhandedly polite because it's like she's saying nice things. And then she's also getting a dig in, while she's saying the nice things and then Your dinner.

1:26:11 They go into another room. They sit in front of the fire and they start reminiscing a little bit about old times and it kind of breaks the tension and you can see Matthew and Isabel kind of enjoying themselves because they, you know, Matthew asked his mother to dance and they started dancing and then he puts on another record and ask Diana to dance. And, you know, the way that they set this up is supposed to be a very kind of light-hearted scene and Diana tells Matthew. She doesn't know how to dance. And, of course, they start dancing and she's clumsy. She did you know, she trips over his feet and, you know, it's awkward and then just gradually, you start to see.

1:26:55 It's like it's like she's learning as she goes to the point where she goes from being very clumsy to very good in like a few minutes time and in the midst of all this her Starts glowing with her magic, you know, and it's just kind of a thing like they're all looking at her like, oh my God. What is this? And, you know, Matthew remarks to her? When they go walking later on. He says, you know, it's nice to see you enjoying your magic because she hadn't, she hadn't done that before. And she just kind of let loose and just kind of wasn't thinking about it and it manifested itself in a beautiful way, in the dance. And of Course, this leads to a moment. They share a kiss, and then they continue on their walk. And they're walking.

1:27:49 They're just talking about trivial things. Like I said, this is kind of like a fun moment between them, which is cool, because we all get a lot of those moments in this show. It's like, drama drama, drama, Aang, Saints, you know, let's deal with this and there's almost no fun in the episode. So you get to see these little light-hearted moments with them, which is fun. And then, of course, as they're about to go back into the castle, Here's Domenico. And Domenico and Matthew, they greet each other and you can tell that they have known each other for a long time. They, you know, they kind of make reference to it that the last time they saw each other.

1:28:31 They were fighting in a war. I think who did Domenico said he was fighting for someone and Matthew was fighting for the Knights of the Templar and I was like, oh wow. Okay, so dominicos very old, too and he Basically is there to deliver a message from the congregation to Diana now. Matthew, of course Ultra protective mode. He tries to send Diana back in the house. And of course, we've all what we've already established. That Diana is no pushover and she is not one for people telling her what to do and for shying away from confrontation. So she's basically like no, I'm not going in.

1:29:12 He can say what he has to say to me, you know, and Dominico. Has her that she's been commanded to appear before the congregation to answer for breaking Covenant rules and for the book and she tells him that she doesn't have the book in the congregation. Once they can go get it themselves and he's like, well, that's why we need you there. We need you to tell us how to call it up dummy. She's not coming with you. And Matthew says, as much and Domenico kind of raise the situation and he's like, oh, He was like, this is not about the book. This is about her. So you're breaking Covenant rules. And you know what the consequences are and Diana sitting there, like, what is he talking about? What rules, what consequences, and of course, Isabel and Marta have arrived in this about to be this big thing. So Matthew, he turns to Diana, he caresses her face and then he tells his bow like get her in the house. He turns around.

1:30:09 He goes after Domenico and Domenico doesn't know what has happened. Like all of a They were talking and then all of a sudden, now, Matthew has his arms around Dominicans neck and he's about to snap his neck. I was like, wait, wait, they can't kill him yet. He's too pretty. We can't be rid of him. I just, I just want to point out that the musical should realize that he didn't want any part of Matthew at all. If he didn't realize it, sure. He realizes it now because like I said, he didn't even realize Matthew had gotten behind him and Matthew had his head. Yeah, my thing is, okay.

1:30:52 All right. Yeah. He's like I volunteered to go and get her but like, fuck, are you? I think you said it wrong. I volunteer to contribute to making, I think he thought he had, okay. He thought he had the weight of the congregation behind him. Forgetting the fact that Matthew does not care about the congregation. You know, who the commutation rules? He does it. And I think the music. Oh, really? I think he I think he had good intentions as far as he's concerned, but I don't really think he thought it all the way through.

1:31:39 Way too much of himself. Yeah, that's the second time that someone who was really powerful and wasn't expecting, it got their asses handed to them for such a tattoo. You got to hand it to her by Knox. Now, the really cool got his handed to him by Matthew and neither one of them work were expecting that but they It's great. Got a little bit it can I say that the medical actually looked like a real vampire in this scene like you are looking eyes were almost kind of the glowing. I was like, okay, finally we're getting like kind of the evil van. Like the typical vampire. Look that was like, okay. So there's this just in the dark or not. Sure.

1:32:23 What's up? But yeah, he definitely definitely had that menacing look and and the voice to go with it. But yeah after after, Have you had Matthews Matthews arm around this go? He changes to a real quick. But here's the because we keep talking about characters who fail to read the room. We have been talking about this through the boys. We talked about it through curse. So when isabeau and Marta, Stepped up and Dominico kind of challenged Matthew and you know, Matthew was like, no she's not going anywhere with you Isabel was even pleading with Matthew like please, because I think she saw where this was going and Domenico said, so are you refusing to allow me to carry out congregation duties? And Matthew was like, yes, he said and you realize what the consequences are Matthew was like, yes, that's the point. When dominicano should have turned his ass around. Out and just tell ball.

1:33:26 When you know what I tried. It just didn't work because Matthew made it known right, then right there. I know about your rules. I don't give a fuck about your rules. She's staying here. You can go to hell. That's basically what Matthew said dominical, didn't know how to read that room, and he paid for because Matthew, I mean, Matthew had time to turn around caress, Diane. Diana's face send her off, and then get behind dominical, dominical was behind him. Matthew had his back to Domenico. He still ended up behind dominical.

1:34:07 Having him in a Chokehold and broke his leg. And was like, look. Okay. Well, thank you. Okay, so Fleet creates the congregation, but Apparently, whatever rules he put in place, they all agreed to then applied his family because you got it's about going off. And slaughtering covens of witches, that Matthew who found out though is the most Slaughter, the coven's after Philippe was killed. So I figured her mind at that point. Fuck police rules. He's dead. So they didn't follow his rules. So she's not going to follow them so I can understand her doing that.

1:34:53 Yeah. So this this tenuous I'm going to call it this tenuous little thing that they have going on called the congregation. I think it's not long for this world. Yeah, especially not if not, if one of the sons is refusing to follow the, you know, the rules he's a I was here before he was even made so the rules on the private beach, right? Right. So, again, Matthew breaks dominicos leg pushes him and he's basically Like you delivered your message. You got your answer the way from here. Don't come back and Domenico. I was like, oh, I'm gonna hunt you down and kill you. Both talking about at first, at first. I was like, did you really just threaten Isabel? But no, he was talking about Matthew and Diana and he was like, even declare my scan died.

1:35:41 I'm almost surprised at that point. When he said that that is about. Didn't grab him and snatch him up. You know, she thought about it. No, she did, you know what it was. She's the Regal one. She's the one who has to show some control because at this point her son is not doing a great job of it. so then, when go ahead Lori, I got a little joke. It wasn't quite, I will shoot off your pinky choke, but it was close. See that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:36:22 I just know. I think the thing the the declare - are not anyone. They're not people or vampires. Anyone really want to mess with. Oh, no. I mean, we, we get that. I mean, you think about it. So Philippe created the Asian, or he formed. The congregation Isabel is known as a witch hunter. And she, you know, she has literally the word was decimated dozens of which covens over a span of decades, Baldwin is now the head of the congregation. So, he's pretty much in charge of all the supernatural beings. Go figure.

1:37:02 And then Matthew is again, the rebellious, son who everybody knows of But if you've noticed not too many people dare to approach. I mean Knox came close, but that wasn't by his choice. He was there trying to intimidate Diana and Matthew happened to show up and knocks was like, oh, yeah, you know what? Peace out? Oh, yeah. but, you know, after that Isabel, I think after this encounter Isabel kind of has A deeper understanding of what's going on because she looks at Matthew, Matthew turns and looks at her, and she was like, The Book of Life.

1:37:53 Why didn't you, you know, why didn't you say anything? And he admits to her, that, that was what? Initially Drew him to Diana, he said, but then it became something more. And then he tells her, I think the term he used was Maya, Maya me, which is I'm in love translated and she was like, I can see that, you know, it's kind of like Matthew, I don't think you need to tell anybody this, at this point, like the fact that you just basically told your father's organization. A big, screw you to protect this, which yeah, we kind of figured you were in love. That's pretty obvious to everyone now at this point, but he is whipped but, you know, right.

1:38:40 But she you know, she basically tells him she was like Give her to the congregation. They won't kill her if you do, but they will if you don't. And you know, Matthew kind of walks out. And in the meantime, Diana is inside with Martin. She asked Martha about the Covenant and Marta, basically tells her that it forbids into species relationships and Diana, of course, you know, we're wearing a, you know, 21st century Diana lat. She's like, that's crazy. Like, who would even agree to that and, you know, Marty tells her will, you know, there were a lot more creatures back then and we were pretty Used to taking what we wanted. So Philippe decided that, you know, if the species made it, then it would upset the balance of power. So, these rules were created, you know, to kind of keep things in place.

1:39:35 And Diana, says, what happens, what's the punishment? If it, if the rules are broken and martyrs, like far, as I know the rules of never been broken, so they're pretty much the first and then Matthew and his mother walked back in and You know, he tells her he was like Domenico is gone. The congregation won't be sending in one else and when she asked why he's like because we're not going to break the Covenant and of course. I understand he's doing this for her protection. But again, diet. It doesn't look at it that way. She was like, okay, here he goes. Trying to control my life again. So you just gonna give up like she starts. She's ready to fight at this point. She's like, so you just going to give up that, that's just it.

1:40:16 And he was like, you know, he starts trying to push her away. He basically does the whole, you know, you don't know me. You didn't know me three weeks ago. You don't know what I'm capable of, you know, trying to pull the oh, I'm the big bang murder a person, you don't want. Be in love with me blah blah blah blah. She was like yo, my magic didn't start doing what it's doing until we got together. We are bound together. I love you. And he kind of stops then because it's kind of like you don't know what to do at this point. Like you want to push her away, but she just, I mean the the chick you been craving for the last couple of weeks, just told you that she loves you. He's like, I don't know what to do with that.

1:40:56 I just thanks she tries to get him to admit the same. She was like, not thinking about the congregation, not thinking about the Covenant. How do you feel about me? He was like, you know, how I feel about you. She was like, no, I want you to say it when she said say it. I was like, I went back into Twilight. That was that was it were trying to give him a vampire. I was like, oh really, but you know and yeah I heard there was Brownstone like you love me but is at that exact moment that he gets a phone call and I'm guessing it's from Matthew or Miriam and they're basically telling him that the lab has been broken into and so he needs to go back to Oxford something else we didn't. Mention early in the episode is that Sylvia and Jillian had a conversation and Sylvia basically told Julian. Will Peter Knox wants to know more about Matthew and wants us to find out everything that we can. So I'm assuming it's the witches that broke into the lab, but Matthew gets ready to leave.

1:42:03 Diana tries to go with him and he's like, no, you're not going. You're staying. Isabel asked him to reconsider and he's, like, Mom. And he's like, I need you. I need her to stay here. And I need you to protect her. I need you to protect her with your life and Isabel agrees, and he leaves and Diana follows after him. And she's crying and what happens is and she starts crying. Once once one of her tears, hits the ground like the bottom falls out of the sky and Isabel and Marta come out and they realized that Diana is actually causing the rain. Like you can see the waves of magic coming off of her and then just as they realize that she's causing it to rain. You see another Wave of magic.

1:43:01 And then all of a sudden, the rain starts reversing and it starts going back into the sky and then the episode cuts and I'm like, wait, so she's powerful enough. She can control the weather now, like, see. So now she's like, we have, what was the first one that she did the wind? And now we got water now. So, next week, fire and Earth is listless, right? She's under exactly. She's the Avatar, it's anger. But I mean, if Matt is a lot of times when it comes to Magic, you know, some magical beings they can only control like one element, one specific element, given the fact that she's already learned how to control to excuse me.

1:43:56 No, she has it too. She doesn't know how to control. But she has her magic can access to it to it. She's even more powerful than we thought. That's the also can do do mental, Step 2, because see-through was no I'm not excited right here, right? He was right. Um, so yeah, we've got wind water and spirit right there. It is heart. This heart. No no stand. Now if she combines of this she turned to Captain Planet, so she's going to be mignone. She's gonna be little Dallas multipass e, but she So at this point, you gotta fuck with the wrong which we talked about this before.

1:44:57 The, the worst that the worst of the the most dangerous magical beings are wildlings, who don't really know how to control them. Magic. And she has access to that much magic and can't control it. That's going to be a problem for everybody. Yeah, especially as emotional as she is, but she's all over the place. And then, you know, Matthew is just, I know Matthew thinks he's doing what's best for her. I get that. I understand that we already know. This is not, he's not going to be able to be steadfast in this especially now that she is revealed her feelings for him. Yeah, you already told the congregation.

1:45:38 Fuck you. You might as well go all the way at this point I think is this is temporary solution to this temporary problem. Like okay. I need the current decently off. Some of the alpha flag. This congregation thing is situated and they will be about that business. About that business about that business. Like, if it's crazy because I know we went over everything in the episode and I still feel like we missed something this so much, that they are packing into these episodes and it's it's I don't even know, I don't even know what I want to say right now.

1:46:21 Like, is there so much like? I feel like they're there shows where you're watching and you can get so much information in episode and feel still feels like something is missing. I don't feel that way with this show, like they're giving us so much in again with the layers. We're getting all these different things and we're getting all of this different information that is coming, you know, coming to fruition. In The Following episode, in The Following episode, like like they're consistently building and I'm just like, if they can do this and a episodes. Can you imagine what this story would be like if they had 10 or if they had 13, you know, or if it was like a network show and they had 22 like this is what they can do in Eight Episodes and The thing with a lot of a episode shows, sometimes they feel slow when they start out and then they kind of rush to fill in everything in the last few episodes. Or sometimes they tell the story, but you feel like they're not telling enough like, they're still so much to unpack, and they just kind of leave things unfinished. I don't get that feeling at all with this show and haven't since the first episode, like, I feel You know, we talked we talked about it a couple episodes ago.

1:47:45 I feel like I've been sitting down at a gourmet meal and I'm getting full with every course. You know, it's just yeah, I'm like so in love with this show. It's really annoying and it's like they do put a lot of like little things in it. Like when they first started dancing me for started dancing with Diana and there were stumbling usable yells. Let him lead and it's not easy. But as soon as she leaves, she said they started going, they started blending together and dancing together and then her magic started glowing. So I think that's a that's the Where she can actually learn to learn to trust him. So yeah, she's The Last Dragon siglo exactly. You are done that.

1:48:39 I think we need to keep track of all the pop culture references. We make when we're talking about because I really was and is really like, it doesn't leave holes and that's really hard to do in writing like just keep to continue like to write it and then go over and be like, oh we forgot this. This put this in real quick, but it's like they're not a lot of holes in it and either of these episodes and unlike cursed, which it took almost a whole season for the writing to, to get to that level. Right? So, it's like, we can first couple of episodes.

1:49:21 The Writers seem to know exactly what they were doing. Yeah. He knew exactly how much to give us how much the whole back in this been. It's been really good. And I think it's going to pay off in the end what I think too. I think the good thing about this show is that the author of the books that the show is based on. I believe she is a consultant on the show and she does work very closely with the writer. She works with the cast. She's actually doing some promos on social media right now. You know, and in anticipation of the second season coming in. So on Monday is now she's posting like set photos and she's talking a little bit about the experience bringing the book to the screen.

1:50:08 So, that's, that's an interesting thing to find out. If you can go to her Instagram or excuse me, her, well, her Instagram, her Twitter, or her Facebook page, Deborah, Harkness, you'll find a lot of, like interesting tidbits that she's been posting from the set and Is talking about the product, the process from getting it from the page to the screen. And she seems to be really like behind this project. And you know, sometimes when it comes to adaptations you don't you don't see that a lot. You know, it's we hear a lot of times where the authors are not necessarily behind the projects or they feel like the projects are not meeting the Standard that they had or, you know, set for their books, but I don't get that with this series and I think it helps a lot because, of course, if the writers have questions about what the characters were do or if the actors have questions about how a character will behave, in a particular situation or a particular scene, they can go straight to the source and kind of get some insight.

1:51:19 And I think that probably also makes the show better. Because you've got the person who created this, All right here and she's supporting this show and what they're doing with her characters and that I think you know, enhance has the story that we're being told and we can see it because, like I said from, from the first episode, this show has kept me interested, you know, and that's, that's kind of hard to do with the eighth episode series, you know, sometimes it, just sometimes it works. And sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. And this is one of those shows where it definitely works. I wish we could get some more episodes. That would be cool.

1:52:02 But I mean, y'all are giving me a lot. Like, I'm literally sitting here watching the episodes and I'm like, oh my God, this is so much, like, how we going to remember to talk about this all like, that's why I started doing like literally instead of taking notes. Now. I'm like, I'm literally riding out Recaps because there's so much and then I go back and I think about something that happened in the episode and I'm looking at Oh, yeah, this happening, you know, now being able to go back like to the episode 3 and seeing what we talked about in episode 3 and how is playing out at episode 4. I like being able to do that and it's kind of easy to do that because the story has remained solid and consistent consistent throughout the first four episodes.

1:52:48 So I already like I'm not even worried about the back four episodes because I read know. We're about to get awesome story. I know we're about To get a whole shitload of information. And, you know, it's it's great. It's amazing. I love it. I'm having so much fun with this show like really? Yeah, any final thoughts. I thought it would. Yeah. So, final thoughts. Well, you know, well, you know, I'm looking forward to seeing Cora discover. Her. New powers is the Avatar, you know. It was again. This is against having these questions answered. How powerful is, she why is she is powerful? If she is, as she even Reincarnation of the original, which I mean, with where are we going with this? That's what I want to know.

1:53:41 And as long as they keep me interested in wanting to know more about with happening, the more I'm going to keep watching the show. I'm actually really interested now in sato's Journey because she has, she has a lot. She has more, I think she's way more important to the story than we've seen so far and the fact that she's powerful. She's that she is up. She's a really powerful witch in her own, right, but she's gotten own twice. I feel like she's going to have a breakout moment, where she's going to be the one owning somebody and it's going to be a surprise. I'm also, I'm actually really Bested in Knox. Now, because I really think that he has, he has a lot of totems or talismans, that will that help him General dark dark magic.

1:54:31 So I'm really interested to see what he played. He pulls out if he pulls anything else out and it be he'll be, I wonder if I really want to see like the the showdown between him and Diana. Like even even though she's probably going to, this probably gonna be like The Last Dragon where she'll wear something wear. Now she's going to be like, who's the master? Which mr. From her. I have a feeling knox's me. I'm I'm glad magic to deal with her. Yeah, he is definitely black yellow purple blue. The other kind of magic.

1:55:15 Because she's definitely if if what we think about thought to is true seeing kids to be there. Seeing walking through that door. Let's see. He's not going to be there form. Nope. Nope. Yeah, he's gonna be on his own. Yeah. She's right buddy. All that smack you thought ever crossed right handle that? Go ahead. I feel a girl-power moment coming on. I'm telling especially after what Knox. It's a her girls. Get it done. Hey, I see it. I see it coming after whatnots. Pull. In the her, her a gaffer. Actor Agatha said to Isabel and whatever Sophie is bringing with this Talisman.

1:56:07 Yeah, I can see that. That probably break up. All right. Well, that's it for this episode. You can find our podcast online at www.haddadhyundai.com. We are on social media on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at fandom hybrid. You can listen to our podcast on Spotify. Google podcast, Apple podcast Stitcher and now I heart radio and other podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening. We hope you join the The next time.