Outlander: Blood of My Blood S1E5 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #374

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and Dina and we
are discussing episode 5 of

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Outlander Blood of My Blood.
We are at the halfway point of

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Season 1 and I'm going to go
ahead and let Michelle get

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started because I know she got
things to say.

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About this episode, how you got
you, Michelle?

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OK, so wait a second.
Now I got to go back into the

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stuff that I said, OK, the MO.
I don't even know where to

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begin.
Let's just go ahead and get

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Mercer out of the way because.
That's it.

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I had the screen and I turn the
TV off and I say I can't do

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this.
I'm not gonna be able to

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continue watching this show.
That man was hurt.

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He was hurt.
And all the time.

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Your friend Brian could have
told you.

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He could have told you when he
said, oh, why you up so early?

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You won't leave without me.
And he's sitting here pouring

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his heart out about this girl,
Brian.

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You could have said something
then to have him come and see

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it, to see it.
My heart was broken.

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That was real.
And then you get your butt beat

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an hour later.
That was harsh too, like there

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was literally no reason for
that.

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Like it wasn't arch bug is but.
We know.

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I mean we've already established
arch bug is just an asshole.

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He's just an asshole.
Just be an asshole.

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He is have to do that but I mean
did he go beat up?

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Did he go beat up the other guys
who stood up for for the making?

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No, he just he did because Merta
was the 1st.

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Yeah, but Merta must have later
learned some fighting skills,

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'cause I'm like, dude, you are
so much better older.

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You you think?
I think it's also 'cause he was

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drunk.
And and he.

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Was drunk too.
He was, but he has has not been

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hardened yet.
Yeah, that's true.

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You can see it coming.
That's true.

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You can see it like after that
probably, you know, this might

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be where the term for Merta is.
You know, I'm not saying that's

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where he just became hard, but
he probably was like, OK, you

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know what, I'm too.
I'm too soft.

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This will make you hard because
your best friend who you

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literally every time y'all are
together, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen,

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Ellen, Ellen, Ellen, Ellen,
Ellen, Ellen, Ellen and he over

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there like, OK, you can find you
another woman.

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Oh, OK, Ella, Ella, Ella.
And then I see y'all kissing.

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Oh man.
Yeah, I, I will say this the the

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way that is, the way that it's
gone down.

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And then thinking about the
future at the the regular

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Outlander show, again, going
back to the whole thing, every

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time we hear Martha talk about
Jamie's parents, he mainly only

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talks about Ella.
He almost never mentions Brian.

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That's a good.
Thing I feel like that probably

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broke the friendship but because
he yeah but but because he loved

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Ellen so much he you know when
they named him godfather maybe

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that was kind of the the olive
branch for Brian towards mertha

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I it's.
Giving a little snappy but not

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creepy snake, but like.
And and the same party is though

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and we see it that way and it
only it side note come out of

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the show.
It could be because she didn't

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have them as friends initially.
And then in writing the show,

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you think maybe they decide to
make them friends.

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It's it's possible.
Again, I know that she is

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actually she is writing a Brian
and Ellen book.

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Yeah.
But you you see what I'm saying?

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Like it when before it was like,
oh, he was a family friend, but

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she never like really put him
with anyone except for Ellen.

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And now when you can really
flush out the story, it would be

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good a story if he was friends.
And maybe that's why I'm just

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hoping that is the reason why I
don't see how they can recover.

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I I can't they could have
recovered if he said something.

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Yeah, earlier on, like I met
someone too.

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And I'm thinking we are talking
about the same woman name,

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person.
Yeah, yeah, play it off.

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I'm really thinking about same
woman, especially since does my

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have red hair?
Does yours have like play it

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off?
Yeah.

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Yeah.
But every time you.

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Do things.
You mentioned Ellen by name at

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first.
No, he could have played it off.

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Oh, I didn't realize this was
who you had.

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And then at that point, Martha
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you've never even spoken a word
to this woman.

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Which, yeah, it it's just, I
hate that's the amount this way.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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That's the other part that kind
of sucks, yes.

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It's like you honestly don't
even know her.

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So it's not like he literally
stole your woman, right?

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Like I get, I get the point of
him being hurt 'cause Brian,

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what Brian did was crappy, but I
know Brian was.

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Brian was afraid, you know, he
knew it was gonna hurt him and

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he was afraid.
So I get that.

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But like, it's not like he took
this woman from that woman.

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Ain't no he was alive, right and
and had no care in her heart for

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him at all.
So he was living on a fantasy

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and a dream.
And heard Brian didn't plan

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this.
Yeah, they fell in love by

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accident.
You know, they crossed paths by

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accident.
And again, I think the reason

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why Ellen probably was drawn to
Brian was because Brian was the

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one person who wasn't trying to
hit on her.

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Yeah.
He was the one person who was

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just trying to be, you know, off
hidden, not be bothered.

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And she maybe found a kindred
spirit in that.

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Yeah.
But I mean, and, and even though

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we, we can sit here and justify
all of this stuff, we and we

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understand both sides.
But either way it goes, it still

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sucks that this is the way
Mercer had to find out.

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I mean, I was like.
Right, because I feel like this

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if Brian has said something to
Martha and was like, hey, so

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about that Ellen girl that you
were talking about.

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So I met a girl at the at Leoch
and we we kind of we talked a

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little bit.
We fell in love and I didn't

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realize it was your Ellen until
now.

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I'm so sorry, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.

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He could have done that, and
then maybe Martha could have

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understood that, and Martha
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elsewhere, like maybe Jacosta,
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Just.
But she was married too, so.

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When she was married.
Still married too.

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We'll, we'll, we'll get to that
'cause I got some thoughts about

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that whole thing too.
But it's like I, I feel like

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Brian, he could have handled it
better.

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But again, we are also talking
about some, I don't want to say

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immature, but it's like they are
not as I don't know what the

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word I want to use is.
I don't think, yeah, I just

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don't think Brian knew how to
fix that situation.

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Because again, everything that
we know about Brian, he's always

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been stand up.
He's always been honest.

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He's always been, like, loyal.
Of course, now we're seeing this

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in a different light.
But when you are that type of

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person and you know that the one
thing, the one thing that you

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didn't count on, the one thing
that has happened is the thing

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that's going to hurt that
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Like, how do you figure out how
to do that?

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I just don't think he knew how
to handle that because it was so

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unexpected, you know?
Yeah.

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Poor Mercy.
He's hurt.

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I want to give him credit, but I
still don't give him credit.

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He's still going to say
something to his for you.

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No.
That's true.

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He's still trying.
I'm trying because you you, you

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you real good and y'all finding
lovely hiding places and places

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to, you know, do what y'all need
to do so you can you can figure

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out how to tell your friend.
I'm just saying.

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Ruined.
I'm just saying, you know, we'll

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talk about the ruin me later.
OK.

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I want to finish out with Mercer
because I mean, it's and it's

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just, it gets it goes from bad
to worse for him because like

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you said, he comes out of his
tent, he's drunk.

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He bumps into Arch Bug, and then
Arch is the one who sits here.

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He was like, oh, you don't want
to challenge my, my master at

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the for making.
Oh, you got to eye on his woman,

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blah, blah, blah.
And and he beats Martha up and

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it's like, you can clearly see
this man is drunk.

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Yeah.
OK.

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Now, granted, Martha shot off at
the mouth, which we do know

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Martha is good for doing
sometimes.

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And he was like, oh, yeah, you
know, I'm not the only one who

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had an eye for her.
And he don't deserve her anyway,

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which all of these things are
true, but he could have just

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left Martha alone.
He can let Martha just, you

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know, sit in his cups and just
sit in his feelings and be done

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with it.
But no, you have to add insult

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to injury by beating them up.
And I was looking at this.

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I was like, OK, so I mean it's
not unexpected because it's arch

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bug, but still it's just kind of
like Martha's had enough.

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He's had nothing there.
And then later on you get you

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get into this whole thing with
Jacosta and it seems like you

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bout to take your mind off stuff
and then you call her Ellen's

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name which I felt bad but only
moment.

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I did too.
I, I, I'm not, I don't really

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care for Jacosta right now.
I just, I don't.

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I'm OK with her.
I I was OK with her because of

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the conversation in the buggy.
I was OK because now you know

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where she's coming from.
You do you have to think about

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it in her eyes.
First of all, you got to, we

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have to go back.
We got to go back.

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First of all, how your daddy is
right.

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Your sister's the favorite right
there.

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That's the issue.
Second of all, you knew your

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sister was involved with you
getting a suitor.

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You don't know how she was
involved 'cause she never talked

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to you about it to currently now
and she's saying, well, I was

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trying to help you get away from
other people.

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Yeah, I didn't know that at the
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For me, I'm looking like you,
you running things and I get

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this old ass man Cameron.
But everybody is getting old

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ass.
Man, back then, right?

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But still, your sister was
involved.

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Your sister doesn't have to get
married.

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Right.
And and she didn't have to get

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married.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So you don't know until she

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telling you now.
Like, no, there was other people

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who was just way worse than
that.

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I was trying to help.
Well, at the time she didn't

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know that.
She just thinking the girl of

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privilege.
Yeah, I'm not with Cameron, who

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I'm just supposed to look pretty
and all that, but I feel it's

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Acosta 'cause she's like, what
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We gonna keep it here, so she
going to go look.

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But that's the.
Thing that bothers me about her

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is 'cause she acts like she's so
pure, but as soon as she got her

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sister was just like, look, go
get yours.

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I ain't gonna say nothing.
Well, I go get mine if you can

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make a deal.
She was like, OK, fine, let's

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go.
With Mertel since episode.

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One.
Yeah, yeah.

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So like.
I don't know.

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She needed a reason.
Yeah, yeah, right.

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I don't.
Well, she, she, she needed a way

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to do it without getting in
trouble.

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Right, that that too.
And I don't have a problem with

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her doing that because yes,
Jacosta is married.

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But again, let's talk about
this.

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These are arranged marriages.
These are not love matches.

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She is married to somebody who's
probably old.

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Enough to be Oh no, I'm all for,
I'm all for what she was trying

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to do.
I'm I'm all for.

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I don't have a.
Problem I'm gonna deal.

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With her, yeah.
However, I wasn't mad at her

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when she was like OK I keep your
secret.

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Can't get Mama's necklace
though, no?

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No, no, no, no, but even before
that, like just her pettiness

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and her just, I don't know, it's
like you want to sit here and

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and be all nasty and snarky to
your sister, which yes, there

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are some some reasons and I get
it.

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But then you sit here and you
want to be, you want to be nasty

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to her and say things to her and
then want to get mad at her when

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she comes back at you like, you
know, you want to talk about, Oh

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yeah, you going to have some
bears and stuff.

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She's like, Oh yeah, I see you
ain't had none yet.

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And you want to get mad at her.
But you.

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See.
Well, see, that was low.

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That was slow though.
Don't be, don't be talking about

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my infertility.
Don't be talking about my

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infertility.
That ain't that.

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See, you had to go that low.
See you still free.

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You just now had to marry
someone.

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And I'm just talking about you
being an old maid because you

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are a old maid.
She had to bring out and I'm an

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old maid too, with no kids.
But you had to.

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You had to say that now.
But that's the thing about

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Jakasa, I don't like she can't
handle what she dish out like.

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Yeah, that's true.
Treating your sister like

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complete trash because to be
fair, other than her maybe

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marrying her off, which is
something that even Ellen didn't

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know was a problem.
She has been so bitchy to her

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and just for no just pop cause
the younger sister, the other

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sister ain't bitching towards
her right?

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So like Jacosta has her own
feelings and she ain't clearly

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ain't never talked to her about
it.

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And then you come snapping out
the mouth.

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Are you a old man?
You get your dad trying to tear

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her down and then she's like,
oh, but you can't have no baby.

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So who who got the real problem?
You know, like, yeah, but.

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Brilliant.
The whole thing about when I and

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then when she's there talking to
Malcolm and she was like, oh,

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yes, I'm I'm pleased to be
reunited.

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Oh, no, she, she's being modest.
She's been talking about you,

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the hallway bitch.
Well, that helps though, for her

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to do that.
But friends, listen, we know

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Ellen has won, OK?
She got the love of her life.

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She got the all the men in the
town chasing her.

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And Takasa got what?
What does she have?

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Old man Cameron can't even get a
mama's necklace, OK?

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That's all she has is her, is
her bitterness and her

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snarkiness.
That's all she got.

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Let her have it.
Let her have it.

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And then that man called her
name.

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He called another woman's.
Name that's her fault, because

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she know that she knew that man
was in love with her.

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Sister, that's her fault, but
I'm just all the men are so

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that.
So where you go from here?

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She should have left.
She should have lived well

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enough.
Alone, she was just trying to

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find some tenderness.
She wanted to be wanted to.

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And I and I get that.
But you know what?

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I do get that.
I, I get it.

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But you knew that man was in
love with your sister.

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Yeah, but for but for the
emotional trophy, Ellen again

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wins.
She gonna win.

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Jacosta has nothing.
But here's the thing.

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Maybe Jacosta's lie?
And she becomes blind.

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I mean, we got to get, we got to
kill a little bit for her and

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she becomes blind.
That's yeah, just a little bit,

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just just.
Just because because the, and

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the whole thing with Jacosta is,
and this is even in the future,

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Jacosta is one of those people.
She's all about the, the, she's

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about the reputation.
She's about the, the, you know,

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the riches and all.
She's about the status that.

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I mean, you can tell that from
the first conversation or the

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first thing that she says to, to
Ellen in the the cart, she was

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like, Oh yeah, look at all this
being done for you that you

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think you sit here thinking
about the gowns and stuff and

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Ellen's like, ain't none of that
on my mind.

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And I think that's one of the
things that I really, I guess I

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don't like about Jacosta because
all of the things that she

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values, she's mad because all of
that stuff is coming towards her

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sister and her sister don't care
about it.

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Like she right there about none
of that stuff.

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And that's why I really do feel,
I feel sorry for her, because

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that is if, if I've got his name
already, Red John.

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What's his name?
Big Red, Red Jacob, Red Jacob,

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Red Jacob.
If Red Jacob really did his job

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as a father, you wouldn't have
this issue.

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Because ultimately, yeah, You
had two sons.

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You treat them like trash.
Then you have these daughters.

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You treat one.
I'm sorry.

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You treat one above all other
kids.

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That does affect the other kid
growing up.

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No, it's not right for her to
feel that way, but that's all

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she has.
But Janet doesn't have that

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problem.
She was brought up like that.

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Who?
Ellen Who?

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But Janet didn't have as long of
the.

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Janet's experience is going to
be different.

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Is she younger?
Every child's experience.

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All of them are younger, right?
Well, this Jacosta is the young.

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Jacosta is the.
Baby, is she the baby baby or

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the other one's the baby?
Baby No, Jacosta is the baby.

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OK, so everyone's experience
within the family unit is

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different.
Did Jacosta when did Mama die?

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Was Mama died died because of
Jacosta?

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Like what we got to know we need
to cost the story.

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I don't think we need the story.
Yeah, but she.

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Could have been raised that you
know what, you're beautiful,

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'cause she's beautiful, you're
beautiful and that's what you're

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going to be and you're going to
be someone's trophy and you need

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to surround yourself with
riches.

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Ellen wasn't taught that.
Ellen was taught strategy war

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term like she was taught to
rule.

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But yeah, no hurt.
I feel like Jacosta is

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beautiful.
She just doesn't know that she's

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beautiful because everybody's so
obsessed with what's going on

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with with Ellen.
And part of the reason why,

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other than her just being
pretty, obviously, but part of

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the reason I feel like people
really are drawn to Ellen is

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because she had that
relationship with Red Jacob.

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So she's so independent and
she's so strong minded and she's

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like you said before, nobody can
get to her.

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So that's why they want her.
Whereas Jacosta, she's

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beautiful.
She, she, her husband gonna ask

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at some point, like go marry
somebody else, like whatever.

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But like, I feel like she just
heard not being wanted, not

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because she's not beautiful, but
just not having that saying

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whatever, fire, whatever, 'cause
she's a different personality.

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I, I feel like that's hard for
her because, you know, as I

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don't know, I mean, it's hard to
explain what I'm trying to get

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to, but like there's something
about how she envies her that's

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not just about her beauty.
It's, it's just, it's like the

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whole package of everything.
Ellen stands.

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For.
She hates because she doesn't

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have how that blinder 'cause
she's pretty too, so she could

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have had any.
Probably had her pick too.

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But she was nobody was chance.
Right.

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Yeah, but nobody was checking
for her like that because Red

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Jacob put auto focus on Ellen,
you know, And so I don't know,

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it's hard to explain what I'm
trying to get you, but.

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No, you're right.
And I guess I have to, I, I kind

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of have to separate because it's
like the older Jacosta too.

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Like she has her moments, but
for the most part, I don't

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really care for her either just
because of the way that she is,

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the way that she treats people
who are under her or that she

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looks at as under her.
Like she has had this, she has a

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bit of a superiority complex
even now as a as a a younger

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person.
You know, I mean, I I don't

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know, there's something about
the way that she the way that

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she interacts not just with
Ellen but with other people too,

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that we've seen that she kind of
has this air about herself that

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she is better.
She is elitist.

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Yeah.
Yeah, that.

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And I guess that it, that is it
because I just, I don't like

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that kind of attitude just in
general everyday life, you know

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what I'm saying?
No, but you know, it's like

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every time that we've seen her
interactions with Ellen, even

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even with with this episode,
this is the first episode where

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Ellen gave back what she was
getting from Jacosta, right?

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That we've seen before.
Jacosta has run off at the mile,

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said something smart.
Ellen has never taken the bait.

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You know what I'm saying?
I think that's probably the

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thing that really bothers me
about Jacosta because it's like,

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you know what, your sister could
put you in your place right now.

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She really right?
And you know what?

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And I realized why she took the
bait this time.

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Because you are now in the
situation your sister was in.

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But I like that about Ellen
because she at least

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acknowledged like, hey, now that
I'm in that situation, like

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doesn't make you happy because
I'm just saying, like, you

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didn't like being here, so why
are you taunting me?

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And that's the thing I love
about Ellen is she's actually

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just really just smart.
Like she.

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Right.
So at the other time, she never

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paid anything to her sister at
all.

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He mean nothing to her sister.
I mean, honestly, yeah.

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Jacosta could say all she wanted
to be.

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I get to do what I want.
I mean, it was great.

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But now I'm in a situation
that's like my sisters.

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I'm like oh hell this say great
either.

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OK so stop talking to me.
Your jokes ain't funny.

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I guess I get it.
I get it.

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I just I don't know.
I didn't say she was the

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greatest.
I said now I understand and I'm

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feeling her and I felt bad for
her.

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Yeah, I do.
Feel bad for her because I do,

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because nobody wants to be in
that situation.

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And I guess also, I'm sitting
here thinking like, at some

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point, if you think about
Jacosta's history, I think this

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husband dies and then she
marries another camera and then

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that husband dies and then she
ends up marrying the camera who

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she had the children with that
that stole the gold.

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So first, first of all, you just
need to come away from them damn

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cameras.
Cameras, right?

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Girl, what you doing?
'Cause obviously, yeah, but I

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guess.
Too, You know, there was that

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whole thing too back in the day
where like if you if you didn't,

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if you got married or whatever,
your husband died like a lot of

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times they wouldn't want to
marry you because you weren't a

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virgin anymore or you weren't
like fresh anymore.

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So maybe she could only get
Cameron's other than obviously

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Mercer clearly had a thing for
her at some point, but like

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maybe she could only get a
camera camera to marry her or

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that was the way for her to keep
her camera money or whatever.

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She OK because yeah, 'cause I
don't.

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Know what the circumstances were
for the second husband she just

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mentioned.
She just mentioned having

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married 3 cameramen.
I don't think.

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I don't think the main show ever
went into like detail detail

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except for that last one and it
was only because she was telling

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Murta about everything that she
had lost.

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OK, so yeah, when she ended up
coming to America, so and then

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but she also didn't have like
she she never had kids with this

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guy.
This first kid, I think she had

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kids, I think all her kids.
She had three kids with the

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third camera husband.
She had the two older ones who

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were married with kids.
They were all killed during the

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during colliding and then the
younger 1 you know was killed on

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the road by by her husband by
accident when when they was

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trying to get the remember they
got stopped on the road.

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Yeah, British.
Soldiers found the gold and he

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was trying to shoot one of the
British soldiers that ended up

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he he was the one that shot her.
Oh yeah, I do.

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Remember that now?
Yeah, I forgot all about that

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guy.
Yeah.

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She had a rough life.
Yeah.

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Yeah, and then she went blind.
So, you know, maybe.

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00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,800
So that's what I'm saying.
So we just go give her, you

449
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,800
know, maybe he could just.
Let Jacosta have.

450
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,120
It yeah, let them have it for
right now 'cause guess what,

451
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,240
even though Ellen is in the
situation she was in, Ellen

452
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,240
still end up being in the love
of her life.

453
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,760
So she end up dying.
So but she loved, she got loved

454
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,760
and she was loved and had
children, just loved them before

455
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,160
she died and Jacosta still
chasing that so you know I'm

456
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,520
saying.
So just saying she get paid

457
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,880
back.
All right.

458
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:15,120
Oh, OK.
So obviously it's the whole, you

459
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:19,280
know, they get to the Beltane or
whatever, but like, yes, so

460
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,600
they're having that whole
conversation in the carriage,

461
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,960
but I can't remember what was
said because I just I got it on

462
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,040
and I'm trying to remember what
was said because when they were

463
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,080
having a conversation was was
Ned talking up top about

464
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,000
something?
I can't remember.

465
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,040
No, he wasn't talking up top
when they were going back and

466
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,720
forth he was like he was like OK
y'all can y'all please stop

467
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,520
Y'all about his worst as your
brothers.

468
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,920
OK, that's because he was
listening.

469
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:50,680
To them bicker back and forth.
So yeah, that that was funny

470
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,000
because he was like, my
goodness, y'all would give Colin

471
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,600
and Duga a run for that.
Which is funny.

472
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:04,840
Yeah, Oh, another person I felt
so bad for was Malcolm Grant.

473
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,640
I was like, he don't deserve
this.

474
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,200
Only reason why I don't feel
anything from Malcolm Grant is

475
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,680
'cause his dad is an asshole and
I feel like that's who he gonna

476
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,120
be.
Well, he not there yet, I know,

477
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,160
but he made her some like he
really is into this and don't

478
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,280
know this.
She ain't nowhere near into

479
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,600
this.
'Cause she just smiling at

480
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:34,520
Ellen, Ellen is Ellen can lie
her ass off, she can cause this

481
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,080
whole episode you would really
think that she was into Malcolm.

482
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,160
Grant, you do.
That's why I felt bad for him.

483
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,160
I was like, you could pretend
like you not wanting to do this,

484
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,440
but you giving him the eyes and
even though you really wanted to

485
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,440
give Brian the eyes with the
dancing, you even gave it to

486
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,560
Malcolm.
So Malcolm is all confused.

487
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,280
Yeah, I mean by the, you know,
by the by the the end of Beltane

488
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:07,560
celebration or whatever, honey,
you could not tell that, oh, it

489
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,280
'cause even Brian was looking
like, wait, what?

490
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,960
I.
Don't think that was what

491
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,440
Brian's look was.
Brian was like, OK, I see what

492
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,680
you over there pretended, but I
remember what you were doing a

493
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,120
couple of hours ago.
That's what.

494
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:21,480
Right.
That's so sad.

495
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,440
So she is.
She is good.

496
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,880
She's good.
She is.

497
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,560
So she.
It is not right because that man

498
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:33,160
really, really loves her.
Made a little heart when he was

499
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,480
a kid for her.
This is a problem.

500
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,160
It's not going to turn out
right.

501
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,080
Yeah.
But you know, that's what

502
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,000
happens when you when you find
your true love, you know, in an

503
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,880
instant and all of a sudden he's
your whole world and you, you

504
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,680
know, you lose your virginity to
him.

505
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,960
And yeah, yeah, you say ruin me.
And then after that, then y'all

506
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,920
want to have a oh, let's get to
know each other conversation.

507
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,720
This is that.
I mean, that's one of the

508
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,000
reasons why I was talking while
I was saying it in the earlier

509
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,720
episodes.
I said it's so funny how they

510
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,680
look at one another and then all
of a sudden it's like, Oh my

511
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,520
God, I love this person more
than life.

512
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,080
Like you don't even know them.
You don't know anything about

513
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:28,800
them but you are literally about
to risk your whole clan for this

514
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,080
man the whole.
Clan that's that star crossed

515
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,720
like it's it's.
Yeah, like the touch, even, even

516
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,440
when they touch each other, it's
just magical.

517
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,720
Yeah, and how do we know it
wouldn't have been magical if

518
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,760
she had touched Mertha, I mean.
She already she has, she has

519
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,680
trust me, she ain't feeling she
felt that the the fireworks

520
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,400
across a bridge.
So clearly if she did feel some

521
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,480
form, she would have felt some.
I know, I just find it funny how

522
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,960
quickly they fall in love with
each other in the 1700s.

523
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,120
Like, yeah.
Well to be fair, if you look at

524
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,240
a lot of these men in the
background, aside from Mercer

525
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,280
who was very cute.
Do Google as fine as I'll get

526
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,120
out.
Ain't too many fine people,

527
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,600
ain't too many good looking
mofos.

528
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,360
I'm sorry, Brian.
Got it.

529
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,960
And then also, she did talk
about just, you know, some of

530
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,360
the qualities that she sees in
him, that she doesn't see

531
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,600
another man.
And like I said, I have a

532
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,280
feeling she was drawn to him
because he was one of the people

533
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,960
who wasn't trying to talk to
her.

534
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,480
Like, there's something about
knowing people are attracted to

535
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,880
you, but when you are falling
over yourself trying to get

536
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,960
someone's attention, and this
person has clearly made it.

537
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:52,960
Like she has made it known to
everybody that she wasn't

538
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,800
interested in looking for a man.
She wasn't interested in the

539
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,080
husband.
Like, all these people tripping

540
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,000
over what, tripping over
themselves to talk to her like

541
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,920
the Skyler sisters.
I mean, they are really making

542
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,920
themselves known.
And she's like, hi, OK.

543
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:13,440
I, I, I don't want it.
And I think just the fact that

544
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,720
he was not doing that, she was
just kind of like, oh, OK.

545
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,560
And then she saw him and she was
like, wait, because that's the

546
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,640
other thing.
They were having a conversation

547
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,240
with each other, just a regular
conversation, not even knowing

548
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,680
what each other looked like.
They were having it, you know,

549
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,280
with this barrier.
So it's like there wasn't any of

550
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,400
that superficiality in their
meeting.

551
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,360
You know, there wasn't a oh,
Ellen there.

552
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,920
There's Ellen McKenzie.
She's beautiful.

553
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,800
I want to marry her.
I could be the worst person in

554
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,400
the world.
Like she was saying in the

555
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,440
carriage.
She was like, yes, if I'm

556
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,040
supposed to have all these
virtues, then maybe column needs

557
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,160
to tell Mack and Grant he's not
getting what he what he needs to

558
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,960
get.
You know what I'm saying?

559
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:05,600
But I just as ridiculous as that
seems to me sometimes, I will

560
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,720
say sometimes it it, it just, I
don't know, it does seem to fit

561
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,160
for them.
Like when you see them on the

562
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,880
screen, you feel it.
And I think Dina and I were

563
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,640
talking about this prior to us
recording his mannerisms and the

564
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,760
way that he mimics Sam as Jamie.
I don't know if he's doing it on

565
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,360
purpose or if it's just natural
to the to the way he plays the

566
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,440
character.
They did, I have to say it

567
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,680
again, they did a phenomenal job
with that casting, casting him

568
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:43,640
as Bryant because you see a lot
of the the similarities in those

569
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,040
characters.
And then when when him and Ellen

570
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,120
are together and they're kind of
declaring themselves for each

571
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,800
other and then the whole thing
in the church happens.

572
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,480
I was just like, OK, I'm I'm
watching the wedding scene

573
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,040
again.
Took about as long.

574
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,440
I'm like y'all saw about the
light is fading.

575
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,440
I think y'all, I think y'all
need to get a hurry on with this

576
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,200
ruining process.
I'm on it right now.

577
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,880
Ruin me.
I was like, oh, hello, Ellen.

578
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,200
McKenzie Right.
But you know, I was telling how

579
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:28,440
to call the other day because I
was watching these or whatever

580
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,440
and like they took like 45
minutes for this scene.

581
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,240
I was like, please just take off
the clothes and move on with it.

582
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,320
It took all this time to
unbuckle every strain and.

583
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Right, everything and still had
the shoes on.

584
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,280
Why is it I was thinking that
that you don't like?

585
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,840
I mean, they still got those
boots on 'cause.

586
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,640
I'm sitting here like boots
were.

587
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,000
Important they gonna get caught
with this 'cause they take him.

588
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,120
It's hard.
Yeah, I was thinking that too.

589
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,640
Like, do you know?
Yeah.

590
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,320
Then I'm like, oh, on the grass.
It still wasn't as long as Jamie

591
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,480
and Claire's reunion because
that took forever.

592
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,520
That one took forever.
But, but I mean, it was a

593
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,280
beautiful scene and, and going
back to throwbacks, you know,

594
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,800
the whole thing where they're
about to, they're about to be

595
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,120
together and Brian is like,
wait, Nope.

596
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,880
I did say I didn't want to, you
know, I didn't want to call into

597
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,000
question your virtual whatever.
So he pulls the little cloth so

598
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,280
that they can hand fast.
And I was like, oh, OK, it's

599
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,680
just like Rodger and Brianna, I
was like, OK, I hope they don't

600
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,480
have the kind of drama that
Rodger and Brianna had cause Oh

601
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,000
my God.
But I mean, it was a beautiful

602
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,320
scene.
But again, it, it was, I don't

603
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,440
want to say it was hard to enjoy
that scene, but it, it did feel

604
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,920
kind of, it felt kind of wrong
to root for them.

605
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,160
And, and this beautiful scene
right after Martha got his heart

606
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,440
broken.
It was right.

607
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,400
Yeah, 'cause it's on, it's like
literally on.

608
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,280
Now they're, you know, they're
tying their hands together.

609
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,600
But yeah, it is hard.
And how she got back on grid

610
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,520
just running around helping
everyone just so he can see you

611
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,520
spend time with her.
I really don't care about.

612
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,679
Yeah, I'm just saying they got a
lot of people, you know, they

613
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,480
hurting a lot of people's
feelings.

614
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,480
And they are with this hand.
Fasting is so beautiful.

615
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,280
Oh my God, Why is he so fine?
But at first you know I'm so

616
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,560
stupid because I'm like first
when he started ripping like

617
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,520
what we about to do here?
Like I was thinking about that

618
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,199
was like somebody gonna notice
your your kill is ripped later

619
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,360
on.
Like it don't matter.

620
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,719
I guess not.
He was like, look, I'm gonna do

621
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,199
this right.
Oh, like once we.

622
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,760
Once we tied up, we use
blindfold tied up.

623
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,520
Do what you want to do.
I'm just casting Oh.

624
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:59,960
My gosh, look, I oh honey, I I,
I was like mouth open this whole

625
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,920
thing 'cause I was just like.
I was almost waiting for them to

626
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,280
get caught though.
I was I just right I.

627
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,600
I was just like please hurry,
please I want.

628
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:16,200
Y'all to be able to get it in?
That's what she said, Yeah, but

629
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,120
no, I I was really, I actually
was really kind of worried that

630
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,720
it was going to be Mercer to
catch them.

631
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,320
And I was like, Oh no, I really
don't want this to happen.

632
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,200
Well, he already caught him so.
Yeah, but yeah, but catching

633
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,240
them.
And the kids is.

634
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,880
Is different from catching them
in the.

635
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,320
Act yeah, but right now to him
it don't even matter, it's all

636
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,760
the same.
I know that would.

637
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,560
Have been a fight, though.
God, no, no, no, it wouldn't

638
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,640
have been the same.
Not you.

639
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,640
Not you taking her virtue.
It's one thing to be kissing in

640
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,720
the woods, but you in here
taking her virtue.

641
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,160
Oh, I'm murder you, Sir.
Right you were.

642
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,160
Unless he was wondering OK so
this must not have been the

643
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,040
first time for y'all then that
would have been an even bigger

644
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,440
fight and.
That's so heartbreaking because

645
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,760
at some point he got to tell him
how long this has been

646
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,680
happening, you know?
Yeah.

647
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,520
I mean, well, it's obvious it's
been happening since Leoch, so.

648
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:11,960
Right.
It's like right now.

649
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,760
And.
And you see how long it's been

650
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,600
because when we see Julia at the
beginning of this episode, Julia

651
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,600
is damn near due.
And remember when they went

652
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,840
through the stones right before,
when they were in the car, she

653
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,600
was talking about they didn't
have to tell Claire yet because

654
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,480
she was like, I won't be showing
for a few months anyway.

655
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,040
So she was all the way at the
beginning of her pregnancy when

656
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,240
this all started.
So they've been in the 1700s now

657
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:41,600
at least seven months, I would
say.

658
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,360
Yeah.
Because she looks like she's

659
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,680
almost due to give birth.
Yeah.

660
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,560
So that's, I mean, that's
heartbreak on a whole other

661
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,920
thing.
And we'll get to Julia and hear

662
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,520
me in a minute.
But I mean, if you think about

663
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:03,320
that, they that this has been
going on for months now that

664
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,240
Brian and Ellen have kind of
been in love.

665
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:12,200
And I know that we only saw the
one meeting with them and Julia,

666
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,760
but it's kind of like now when
when I'm sitting here putting it

667
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,560
into that.
Yeah, I I kind of agree with

668
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,520
Michelle.
You've had plenty of time to say

669
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,640
something.
It's been months.

670
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,880
Yeah.
I, I mean, literally it that

671
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,960
just hit me.
It's been months.

672
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,320
That's funny when he
specifically knows that they're

673
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,360
there now because they know
she's gonna be there.

674
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,040
And he's like, I gotta shoot my
shot.

675
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,440
Brian.
Brian he, he really should have

676
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:43,120
said.
Something right?

677
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,400
And he been talking about her
every time they're together.

678
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,360
I know that man's been saying.
Ellen Ellen Ellen Ellen Ellen

679
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Ellen.
And then when he jumped up for

680
00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:00,120
the for the maid that make queen
dance thing and merch, I looked

681
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,040
over like he's I wanted to he
feel at that point that he was

682
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,680
just trying to back him up.
I think he did.

683
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:11,840
He probably not that yes, Yep.
And that's sad in itself.

684
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,200
Yep.
Because because once you know,

685
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,320
when you see now you realize
that it was a whole different

686
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,040
thing.
So it's kind of like, yeah,

687
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,720
there's there's heartbreak on
several levels from murder, not

688
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,920
just because you've lost the
girl and you've lost the girl to

689
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,400
your best friend, but this this
person has been making it seem

690
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,960
like they have been supporting
you or maybe not even making it

691
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,600
seem Martha has been filling in
those blanks.

692
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,240
And Brian has not said
otherwise.

693
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:48,000
So yeah, it's yeah, I do feel
bad for Martha.

694
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,440
I really do like, and I
understand Brian and Ellen.

695
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,320
We know they're the end game.
We know that they have to be

696
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,960
together in order for Jamie to
be here, in order for us to have

697
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,560
the Jamie and Claire store.
So I'm not, I'm not mad in that

698
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,560
sense about the Brian and Ellen
thing.

699
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,320
I understand, you know, you, you
fell in love you, you kind of

700
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,080
gotten to the point where it's
just like we want to be together

701
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,000
and we don't care who we hurt,
but we know the people who are

702
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,080
getting hurt.
And so that's what makes it a

703
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,760
little bit harder or it keeps us
from being joyous because like

704
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,120
even with Claire and Jamie, I
feel like we could actually see

705
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,920
the two of them falling in love.
Like they actually built a

706
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,160
friendship first before the
whole world, before Claire fell

707
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,520
in love with him, Jamie was gone
like from the moment he laid

708
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,920
eyes on her.
But we weren't all that attached

709
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,400
to Frank.
So again, because we got to see

710
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,360
the build up of Jamie and
Claire, I know, but I mean, we

711
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,960
got to see a little bit of her
and Frank.

712
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,600
So it in the one sense, it was
kind of like, Oh, I do feel bad

713
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,760
for Frank, but we didn't see the
build up of of the relationship

714
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,680
with her and Frank.
Frank was already there.

715
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:02,680
We actually got to expect.
I felt bad for Frank.

716
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,560
With with with we got to see it
from start from Jamie, with

717
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,360
Jamie and Claire, which is, you
know, it makes it easier to to

718
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,960
be a part of this story.
Brian and Ellen and let's be

719
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,400
honest, yes, we know that this
is a love story.

720
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Yes, we know that they are fated
to be together, but we really

721
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,760
haven't seen much of them
together.

722
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,680
We don't have that build up like
we did with, let's put on the

723
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,360
flip side, seeing Julian Henry
fall in love.

724
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,240
There was the build up because
we got to kind of go along that

725
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,120
journey even though we knew, OK,
they're already together, but

726
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,600
y'all gave it to us and it was
more consistent.

727
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,120
Like we've seen them writing the
letter, the letters to each

728
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,680
other.
We saw their first meeting.

729
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,440
We've seen them fall in love.
We saw them get married.

730
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,760
You know, we've actually been a
witness to that relationship in

731
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,080
a sense.
So we haven't really had a

732
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,880
chance to do that with Brian and
Ellen.

733
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,320
So it's easier I think to be
like, OK yeah y'all are cute but

734
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,200
y'all hurt my boy over here is
to to kind of.

735
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,080
Because think about it, they
haven't.

736
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,920
They haven't been able to write.
They can't even write each

737
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,040
other.
They haven't had any

738
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,000
communication.
They've been living off pure

739
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,720
fumes for how many months it's
been since the last?

740
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,760
Time they.
Saw because even with Julia and

741
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Henry, they're narrating the
show, they're like the narrators

742
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,520
and and so you can hear what
they're at least thinking, you

743
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,760
know, and so with this we're
just kind of getting winner

744
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,280
together, that's it.
And they've only been together

745
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,600
at this point.
What this is what #4 four times

746
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,200
that they've been together in in
each other's presence.

747
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,200
So.
Yeah, it it, I guess it would be

748
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,000
differently stable.
The second time was the bridge.

749
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,000
The third time was when he went
to LEOC and then yeah, yeah,

750
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,360
yeah.
So it's like if they had, you

751
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,960
know, let's say that they were
able to, like, exchange secret

752
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:02,200
notes and begin hear their
romance and, you know, maybe,

753
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,000
yes, it's true.
Maybe we'd be more like, yeah.

754
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,360
But it is I yeah, I get that.
Yeah.

755
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,560
And I know part of that is
because, again, we technically,

756
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,680
we kind of know the story of
Brian and Ellen.

757
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,280
They're filling in the blanks
right now, but we already know

758
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,280
that they end up together,
right?

759
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,960
Yeah.
So, you know, but again, it's

760
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:31,560
it's kind of, I don't, I don't
want to say it's hard to follow

761
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,880
this story.
It is.

762
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,400
I mean, I mean, it's easy to
follow this story.

763
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,440
But again, because of who is
involved and who's getting hurt,

764
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,400
I can't be all, yes, I'm for
Brian and Ellen right now

765
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,440
because my heart really does
hurt from her to life.

766
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,640
I feel Michelle on this on so
many levels.

767
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,240
Like when I saw this episode, I
was like, oh, Michelle is about

768
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:54,680
to hate Brian.
I was.

769
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,120
I already knew.
I was like, you know, I don't

770
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,400
want to hate him.
But yeah, right now you are not

771
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,400
the coolest.
You know, you ain't the coolest

772
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,680
friend, Brian.
You could have.

773
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,400
You could have done a little bit
better.

774
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,360
Yeah.
Just a little bit, Yeah.

775
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,800
It was so cute though.
He's so adorable.

776
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,960
His little innocent face.
They could not have picked a

777
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,920
better little innocent face.
Murta, like he just looks so

778
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,200
innocent, like he just doesn't
know how anything about how the

779
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,240
world works.
I just I feel so sorry for.

780
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:24,960
Him.
Right.

781
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,560
Stupid bug just comes and beats
his poor baby just up.

782
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,960
I mean like savage.
Yeah, he did.

783
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,760
Like all that wasn't necessary,
you could just punch him once

784
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,440
and been done with it.
It's savage, but you know, I I

785
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,640
guess at the same time, you do
have to show us the type of

786
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,760
person that arch bug is because,
like, this is the person who was

787
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,760
coming after Ian.
This is the person who stopped

788
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,840
Ian Country Rachel.
Right?

789
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,040
Like, so, you know, I guess you
got to show it to us.

790
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Like, he don't care that Merta
was just a little drunk.

791
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,040
Whatever.
He still had to be vicious with

792
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,640
him.
So it's like, OK, yeah, I still

793
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,520
don't like you.
I just at all.

794
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,440
Yeah.
But did we ever, do we ever find

795
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,600
out in the show, in the main
show, how Arch Bug came to be

796
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,520
and Jamie's employee?
I think he was one of the people

797
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,800
from Clinton who was in jail
that he offered like he did with

798
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,760
the I can't think of Mel, Mel
Mel was dead like I think he

799
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,480
was.
One of those people Ars Mirror

800
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,320
man, OK.
Yeah, the ARS Mirror.

801
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Yeah, I think he was one of the
Ars.

802
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,040
Mirror OK because I just sat
here and thought about and I

803
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,320
think I asked this question
before we started recording I

804
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,680
was like did Arch Bug and Mercer
ever crossed paths in the main

805
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,240
show?
I don't think they did when

806
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:54,520
Mercer came to visit Fraser's
Ridge cause.

807
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,600
Yeah, I don't think so.
OK.

808
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,880
I don't recall if he did.
OK, but yeah, OK, so that

809
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,880
answers 'cause I couldn't
remember if if they mentioned it

810
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,080
in the books.
That was like so many books ago

811
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,040
and I don't remember, I have to
go back and reread.

812
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,560
But OK, 'cause I was going to
say that would have added like a

813
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,720
an extra layer if they had
interacted in the main show.

814
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,360
But you're right, I don't think
they did because like you said,

815
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,640
Mercer was in hiding for most of
that.

816
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:30,440
Right.
Yeah, OK, Alright, we gonna move

817
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,480
away from Beltane for a minute.
Let's let's go over to Castle

818
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:43,760
Leathers because, OK, I'm really
trying to have I'm really trying

819
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,320
to have some patience with Miss
Porter.

820
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,200
I really am.
But you messing some stuff up,

821
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,800
girl, you you messing some stuff
up.

822
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,840
But I will say this too, at the
beginning, when Julia and Bryant

823
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,360
are trying to leave the castle,
I need y'all to learn how to

824
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,480
tiptoe on stone floors.
I know I mean.

825
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:06,680
Your.
Footsteps.

826
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:13,480
They made so much noise.
I mean, it's ridiculous.

827
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:24,400
It is, but you know, here's
another thing that is kind of on

828
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,120
the you had months to to save
this information.

829
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,360
Again, this has not been months
because when they went to leoc,

830
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,480
Julia still was not showing,
right.

831
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,960
So now she is full belly, full
big, you know.

832
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:46,600
And then this is where Miss
Porter spills the beans to Brian

833
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,000
about Julia carrying Lord
Lovett's child.

834
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,920
And you know, Brian, of course,
is outrage, which I think is

835
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,840
very ironic.
Oh, you should have told me

836
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,920
famous last words.
Right.

837
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:08,360
And you know, that made me mad
because I'm thinking I know.

838
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,160
Really.
But I think she was really

839
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,360
trying to communicate with him,
like, I'm sorry you had to find

840
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,480
out in this way.
Like, please play along, please

841
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,880
play along.
But he wasn't getting it.

842
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,000
I think she was really trying to
signify to him like this really

843
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,200
ain't your daddy's baby, but I
can't say this in front of your

844
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,920
Mama.
But he wasn't getting it.

845
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,120
But yeah, I when he said that
line, I just bust out laughing.

846
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:35,320
I was like, really, really.
Like OK.

847
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,960
But then I start getting, I
start getting scared for Julie

848
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,600
because I'm like OK to see her
coming.

849
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,360
Please don't say nothing crazy.
OK, so let's talk about the

850
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,400
Sears.
Don't say anything crazy.

851
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:55,400
So Maisie is the same seer that
we see in the original show as

852
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,960
the older version.
OK, It's the same seer.

853
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:03,160
So when she's sitting there
doing her reading, because

854
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:08,000
again, what happens is Julia is
getting ready to leave with

855
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,400
Brian to go to Beltane to try to
help him, you know, connect with

856
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,480
Ellen.
Misses, portifies them.

857
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,960
And she was like, oh, no, she
can't leave because the seer is

858
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,520
coming to do a reading for the
bear.

859
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,760
Lord Lovett does this with all
his children.

860
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,840
She was like, oh, I guess it's
time for you to know she's

861
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,240
carrying your siblings.
So Brian leaves her there, takes

862
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:29,920
off, he goes to Beltane.
Julia's there stuck.

863
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,400
So Mazri comes and does the
reading and it's so interesting

864
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,040
because I feel like Mazri, some
of the stuff that she's saying,

865
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,320
she really is saying some stuff.
But did you notice that when,

866
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,600
when Lord Lovett asked her about
the bear and she put her hand on

867
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,320
Julia's stomach, did you notice
she pulled back and she looked

868
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,720
at Julia and then she put her
hand there like she felt like,

869
00:48:55,720 --> 00:49:00,920
oh, this is not his child.
Yes, but he immediately knew,

870
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,640
like she.
Yeah.

871
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,280
She she's on her, she's on her
game.

872
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,680
She knows what the truth going
to be, but she also knows she

873
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,360
better say something so she
don't get guilty, OK?

874
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,200
So.
About that, but I think she but

875
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,920
I think she telling the truth
though.

876
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,840
I just don't.
Think he belongs to the truth

877
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,640
about the baby.
I don't have to feel like she's

878
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,120
telling him what he want to
hear.

879
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,520
So here's the.
Thing She didn't tell him

880
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,720
anything she told him she said
with the veil between the

881
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,280
world's the thinnest I can you
know what I'm about to say.

882
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,440
And then he was like, you're
about to tell me that the

883
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,280
prophecy that they it is true
that you know the the the future

884
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Scottish king will come from the
phrase of bloodline.

885
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:48,760
She never confirmed or denied
what he said.

886
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,720
That is true because she said
that other stuff.

887
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,160
But the other stuff was good,
though.

888
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,320
The other stuff was good.
Yeah, the.

889
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,000
Daughter did say that.
She never said the Baron was

890
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,480
yours.
He was like, shut your mouth.

891
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:02,920
She never said the Baron was
yours, no.

892
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,120
Nor did she say that you're a
child, that this child was going

893
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,280
to be the future King of
Scotland, Right?

894
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,960
She said there was more than
more.

895
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,200
Children right to be the future
king.

896
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,600
Of Scotland, she said there was
another kid also.

897
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,680
So she had the the first thing
that she said before she did the

898
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,640
bears reading.
She said field of thorns men and

899
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,800
snared, bleeding, wailing and
tormented.

900
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,320
I'm thinking that has to do with
colliding because she said that

901
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,520
he did not answer the fray.
He was standing over to the side

902
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,760
victorious.
Now remember, he was the one

903
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,600
that was kind of flip flopping.
You know, he was the one that

904
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,600
when Jamie and them came and
asked for men for for the

905
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,160
Jacobites, he refused.
He signed the treaty with Colin.

906
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,800
But then he turned around later
and came.

907
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,000
And what was it that Jamie said?
He said that he saved face in

908
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,200
front of column by saying that
he was not going to send men and

909
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,120
then allowed his son to take
them because that way, if

910
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,360
they're victorious, he can claim
the glory.

911
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,640
But if they're not victorious
and they lose, then he can say,

912
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,240
well, I didn't have any part in
that.

913
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:15,000
Yeah, so I feel like that's
probably what that was referring

914
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,560
to because of course they lost
the Battle of Culloden.

915
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,560
He never officially signed his
men up for it.

916
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,560
So now he can be on the on the
side of the Brits and be like,

917
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,480
yeah, well, I thought I was
going to win.

918
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,000
That's why I didn't see my, you
know what I'm saying?

919
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,440
So that could be that.
And then she comes into the

920
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,960
reading about the bear.
She said there's two bears, one

921
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,480
after the other, right?
There's a last alone with dark

922
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,400
curls and clear blue eyes.
And she.

923
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,080
He was like, I don't, I don't
have a need of daughter.

924
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,800
She was like, no worry.
Her time is still to come.

925
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,680
I was like, OK, she must be
talking about Claire.

926
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:54,400
Yeah, Claire.
She could talk.

927
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,400
She could be talking about.
She could be talking about.

928
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,280
All the stuff she.
Does the Jane, whatever that

929
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:06,080
situation may be?
And then she said the other bear

930
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,680
a boy of great importance, of
higher purpose, uniting clans

931
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,160
for centuries to come.
She said his fate hangs in the

932
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,040
balance, but when the fate of
our nation is in peril, he will

933
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,400
have his part to play.
That's the thing that's going to

934
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,200
be interesting because I'm
really sitting here trying to

935
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,120
think of anybody in Outlander
that that could have referred to

936
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,840
because, again, she never says
that this band is the future

937
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,400
king of Scotland.
Yeah.

938
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,360
So I don't think that's what
she's talking about.

939
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,480
So I'm like, what is she talking
about?

940
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,720
I'm sitting here thinking all
kinds of things.

941
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:49,720
I'm like, OK, who could she?
Who could she be referring to

942
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,560
'cause she be referring to like
does Claire, like is Claire's

943
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,080
brother?
I don't know.

944
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,920
Somebody that we've come across.
Is it someone that I think one

945
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,960
of y'all mentioned could have
been?

946
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:10,040
No, I don't think it was you.
It was I think in the panel that

947
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,200
we did either the Blood of my
Blood panel or the Outlander

948
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:19,400
panel we did at Dragon Con.
It was mentioned because minor

949
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,520
spoiler and I think I've
discussed this with both of you

950
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,560
guys before.
Comp.

951
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:30,800
Saint Germain is a time travel
and so somebody was wondering if

952
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,640
there's a tie between him and
Claire and I was like.

953
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:40,840
Yeah, we talked about that.
But he's far as I know, French

954
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,080
and they are in Scotland, so
that would make sense.

955
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,040
But I don't know there.
There's just so many.

956
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,800
It's so, it's so many, it's so
many unknowns, right?

957
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,520
But the thing that we do know is
1 we already know that that's

958
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:01,120
not Lord Lovett's son, right?
And obviously, Maisri also knows

959
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,320
that that is not.
Lord Lovett's son, whatever she

960
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,200
read when she touched Julia's
belly.

961
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,000
Oh, yeah.
And then she probably know.

962
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,680
Like this woman ain't even where
she's supposed to be.

963
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,520
They something ain't right with
her.

964
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,800
She could.
Yeah, she was just looking like.

965
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Yeah, like she really got the
sight, whatever it is, she got

966
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,200
the sight you and she felt it
like she was afraid.

967
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,240
Oh yeah.
Because people who don't have

968
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,800
the sight, they don't fear.
They just make shit up and they

969
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,240
just whatever makes the person
happy.

970
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:32,320
They just said you can see the
fear in her when she was looking

971
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,880
at that.
And then she did the egg in the

972
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,800
bowl and all that.
Oh girl was like look OK I got

973
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,920
to fix this.
Because especially about she and

974
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,720
me when she went to touch the
belly and she kinda.

975
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:46,840
And looked at it and then she
put her hand on there again,

976
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,520
like, oh, let me pretend like AI
was like, well, pretended.

977
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,320
I don't think she was pretended.
I I really like when she saw her

978
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,880
when you she she touched her and
she looked up at her and it

979
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,240
almost like a look of like,
yeah, this is not his baby, but

980
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:08,560
you're not there's something
about you like you're not in the

981
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,000
right time or place.
Yeah, yeah, She, she doesn't

982
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,920
know how to say that right.
And then she touched back and

983
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,040
was like, OK, you got a boy and
he's this, this and this and

984
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,040
then we and the layer over there
make another shit up and she

985
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,280
didn't even make it.
She make no comments whatever

986
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,160
whatever you.
Think I was like, oh, I said She

987
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:30,600
never said that.
Yes, your son is the king of

988
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,440
Scotland.
Because I was thinking about of

989
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,120
of course, you know, there's a,
there's a newer episode out.

990
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,080
So I've seen it and he mentions
that whole thing again about the

991
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,480
future king of Scotland.
Like did she?

992
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,600
Tell you she never said that.
Because I just said wonder is

993
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,840
greater importance, yeah.
And then when I went back and

994
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,440
watched, I said, Oh no, she
never said anything.

995
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,880
She could say.
Greater importance prophecy made

996
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,040
by her as well.
The one he keeps holding on to.

997
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,000
So that's the thing, because I
don't I don't recall ever

998
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,920
hearing this prophecy.
So I'm like, OK, I need to know

999
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,680
the prophecy.
So maybe they'll give us the

1000
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,880
prophecy later in in one of the
episodes leading up to the

1001
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,360
season finale because he
mentions it and I was like, what

1002
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,640
prophecy?
What prophecy is he talking

1003
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:24,640
about?
But you know, he she also

1004
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:30,000
mentioned the Stone of Destiny,
and I didn't get a chance, I

1005
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,360
didn't get a chance to look up
what the Stone of Destiny was.

1006
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:40,360
But I'm trying to remember if
that was similar to the, to the

1007
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:47,640
prophecy that Gala's heard that
what's her name?

1008
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,440
Yeah.
That's exactly what just came up

1009
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,080
on Google when I was trying to
look it up.

1010
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,920
Really, it was something about
the property is about what what

1011
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,360
Megalis want to do her thing.
So I think we're going to have

1012
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,400
to ponder this a little bit more
and discuss it in the next

1013
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,320
episode.
Because when she said Stone of

1014
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,000
destiny, I was like, wait, she
talking about that sounds so

1015
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,600
familiar, but I I was like, OK,
she can't be talking about the

1016
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,120
standing stones because she
should have said stones unless

1017
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:20,960
she's talking about that one
main stone.

1018
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,280
And then, OK, going back to
this, here's the other question

1019
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:33,720
that I have in the last episode
when Ellen was talking to Julia

1020
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:38,280
about Belt Beltane and about
the, you know, the the dancers

1021
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,440
who come in and about the whole
100 years, Like they come into

1022
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,120
the stones and they do the
dances.

1023
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,040
And then when they go back, they
realize 100 years have passed

1024
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,080
and everything that they have
ever known has changed.

1025
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:55,600
My question is who is coming
back and telling these stories

1026
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,360
because y'all didn't just get
this just from anywhere somebody

1027
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,880
had to come back and tell y'all
yeah I went back and all this

1028
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,600
time had gone past and
everything I knew was gone.

1029
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:06,920
Who's coming back and telling
the?

1030
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,400
Stories.
But then also, like 100 years is

1031
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,320
a long time for them to be still
alive and coming back because

1032
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,800
everybody ages as they travel.
They still age, you know what I

1033
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,600
mean?
So how are they coming back 100

1034
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,080
years later to be able to tell
it, though, that's the question.

1035
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,200
Well, maybe the time period is a
little exaggerated.

1036
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,360
Well, I think, I don't think 100
years means like maybe like

1037
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,480
specifically 100 years.
It's kind of like with with

1038
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,360
Claire in them, whenever they
travel, their travel is exactly

1039
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,880
202 years forward or backwards.
It's almost never different

1040
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,680
except for this last time when
Rodger went back a little bit

1041
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,680
further.
But it's always 202 years.

1042
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,160
So I don't know, maybe whoever
was telling these stories, maybe

1043
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,360
they just said 100 years, but
maybe it could have been more.

1044
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,000
Or maybe that was just a
guesstimate.

1045
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,360
Like, OK, they come through the
stones, let's say during

1046
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,600
Beltane.
And then whenever they go back,

1047
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,480
they realize 100 years have
passed or they they end up 100

1048
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,520
years.
I I don't know how that that

1049
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,280
goes, but it's like, who's
coming back and telling the

1050
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,480
story?
That's what I want to know.

1051
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,000
Who is telling the stories in
the 1700s?

1052
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,400
Because you're like, yeah,
they've been telling these

1053
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:27,280
stories that you're fool.
Who, who who's coming back?

1054
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,200
Because as far as we know,
Claire and Brianna and Roger are

1055
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,400
the only ones who have, you
know, traveled back and forth

1056
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,520
except for from what we know of
the books.

1057
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,640
Maybe the constant Jermaine.
Yeah.

1058
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,960
Maybe Master Raymond, because I
think it was, I think it's been

1059
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,720
speculated that he's a time
traveler, but I haven't gotten

1060
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,360
to the stories about Master
Raymond yet that may confirm or

1061
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,520
not, but it's possible he may
also be a time traveler as well.

1062
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,520
So it's like who's telling the
stories?

1063
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:04,040
That's that's really what I want
to know because that might also

1064
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,160
feed into some of this stuff
that Mazri is saying.

1065
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,600
Or it could have something to do
with the stuff that happens in

1066
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,840
the Outlander show with this
whole Jane and Fanny and face

1067
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,760
connection, whatever that may
be.

1068
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:24,400
It it, it, it just changes
everything we know because we

1069
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,520
don't know.
Yeah.

1070
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,640
And then with the seer saying
that he's a greater importance

1071
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,880
and he was saying like, I don't
know if he said like king or

1072
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,360
what not even greater than his
greater importance.

1073
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:42,360
So he's important.
So we so Claire, if he if she

1074
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,600
has a if Julie has a boy, has a
brother and that brother is

1075
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,840
someone of importance.
But have we met the brother or

1076
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,000
are we going to meet the
brother?

1077
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,200
We have no idea.
Or we may.

1078
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,280
Never meet the brother and we
just find out about the things

1079
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,160
the brother did.
Higher purpose, uniting clans

1080
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,280
for centuries to come.
That does sound like a king, but

1081
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,920
that could also be.
She said even greater importance

1082
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,920
than that.
No, she said.

1083
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:14,240
A boy of great importance,
higher purpose, uniting clans

1084
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:19,320
for centuries to come.
But his fate hangs in the

1085
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,800
balance.
No, he said something, the lair

1086
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,680
said something, and she said
even greater.

1087
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,280
Go back, I forgot what.
He said he said yeah, he said a

1088
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,480
king, I think.
And she said even greater, even

1089
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,200
greater.
Yeah, he is of greater

1090
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,400
importance, greater than the
king.

1091
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,200
But his faith does hangs in the
balance.

1092
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,080
So I don't know.
Yeah, his faith hangs in the

1093
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,360
balance.
When the fate of our nation is

1094
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,600
in peril, he will have his part
to play.

1095
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:57,760
OK, we got to think about that.
But again, very interesting that

1096
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,160
all of this is coming out about
Julia's baby and Julia's sitting

1097
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,600
there.
Like I was sitting there looking

1098
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,840
like I said, Julia, I need you
to control your face because

1099
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,560
everything that you are feeling
right now is showing.

1100
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,960
You are like, Oh my God, this is
first of all, I feel like she

1101
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,400
felt like all of that was just
too much.

1102
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,600
Like, OK, you need to stop
because this ain't even his

1103
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:19,960
child.
Like, she wasn't paying

1104
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,360
attention to Mazri the way I
think we were paying attention

1105
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,840
to Major because the way the
camera focused on her face, like

1106
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,480
we were meant to pay attention
to her kind of pulling back and

1107
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,200
like, oh, shit, what did I just
what did I just read?

1108
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,560
I don't think Julia was paying
attention.

1109
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,960
Miss Porter wasn't paying
attention except for listening

1110
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,160
to what was going on.
And then, of course, later on

1111
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,880
she goes to him and she was
like, yeah, so Major never said

1112
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,520
that was your child.
And I'm gonna be honest, that's

1113
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,240
not your child.
She was like she was pregnant

1114
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,200
when she got the Leathers.
And he's like, how do you know,

1115
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,240
'cause I'm a woman who knows
what it is to carry a child and

1116
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,160
how women act when they
pregnant, right?

1117
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,240
He's like, hey, you shut your
mouth, you.

1118
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,200
Say a word.
Thing that really surprised me

1119
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:10,760
because he was like, if you say
a word of this to anyone, the

1120
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,200
last thing you will see is
balance dirt going across your

1121
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,080
neck.
I was like, wait, she just told

1122
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,160
you this is not your child and
you don't care, but it's because

1123
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:25,520
of what he thinks he heard.
It's going to be tied to him no

1124
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,480
matter what now, so he don't
care.

1125
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:35,240
He that makes him happy.
But my thing is when, if because

1126
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,320
I don't know.
I mean, I'm assuming they're

1127
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:38,960
going to be getting back
together because the way things

1128
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,600
are looking, I don't know.
Henry never don't get back

1129
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,680
together.
Wait, That's next.

1130
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,280
That's next.
I.

1131
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,280
Just wonder like, you know, when
they do finally come out and

1132
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,920
they're like, yeah, this time my
husband and he's freeing me, I'm

1133
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,240
going to be with my husband,
whatever.

1134
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,480
And they run away.
They got to first of all, get

1135
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,480
out of Frederick in Scotland
because there's no way anybody's

1136
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,760
going to let them just run off
and go free the mother stuff,

1137
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,000
the Grants nor the Fraziers,
right?

1138
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,280
So like, they gonna have to go
immediately to the phones and

1139
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,280
get the hell on right 'cause
otherwise, what are they gonna

1140
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,600
be able to do?
And so that's the thing.

1141
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,760
Like, I feel like since they
never came back to their time,

1142
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,360
where did they end up going?
And you know what's funny?

1143
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:29,720
I know this is weird, I know
this is weird, but what if they

1144
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,480
do make it back to the phones
and they're like, we just want

1145
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,200
to be back with our daughter
Claire, but it brings him to 17,

1146
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,400
whatever, wherever Claire is now
as a old lady.

1147
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,800
And then they're like, what the
hell?

1148
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,000
And now they're just stuck in
that time.

1149
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,880
Right, right.
'Cause that would.

1150
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,400
Yeah, that would.
Be And that's what that's what I

1151
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,720
was thinking.
We have one more season.

1152
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:57,080
Yeah, we have one more season.
And then they do end up actually

1153
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:03,440
seeing her again.
That would be nice, but yeah,

1154
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,040
that that would be crazy because
it's like if they say, hey, we

1155
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,040
want to see our daughter and
they go through the stones and

1156
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:15,040
what happens if all they do is
they go forward 30 years and

1157
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,440
here's a grown up Claire and
this like, why are we still in

1158
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,160
the Why are we still in the
past?

1159
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,360
We said we want to be with our.
Guys or they don't make it and

1160
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,080
the brother ends up going
through the stones and say I

1161
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:35,920
want to meet my sister.
If yeah, OK, that that's that's

1162
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:39,600
too much for me to think about.
We look, we still have 5

1163
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,880
episodes for the first season.
That's I know, OK, yeah.

1164
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,200
Speculation is real though, so
we'll wait.

1165
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:54,200
So, so going back to Miss
Porter, like I really feel at

1166
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,400
this point now she's, she's
trying to protect her position,

1167
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:03,480
her standing and her son's
standing because what is it that

1168
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,120
she said?
She said Lord Lovett does the

1169
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:10,320
reading for all of his children.
She said this plural.

1170
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,760
He's done this for all of his
children.

1171
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:19,080
So either he's had more children
that are either dead or that he,

1172
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,120
I guess he.
Didn't they?

1173
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,560
Could be other bastards and he
deemed them not worthy because

1174
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,840
obviously he thinks Brian is not
worthy because what is it that

1175
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:32,600
he says when Mazri right before
she does the reading he said So

1176
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,120
what about the bear Is this is
this child one that will be

1177
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,400
worthy of the phraser name?
I was like, oh, how dare you

1178
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,400
like.
Excuse me?

1179
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:45,080
Yeah, I just, I was so offended
for Brian when he said that,

1180
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:49,360
like, excuse me.
And, and so again, now I really,

1181
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,680
now I really do want to know
what the background is behind

1182
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,480
Brian's birth, behind this whole
thing, because the whole, the

1183
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,120
whole vibe with Miss Porter is
weird, you know, because on the

1184
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,720
one hand, he's very dismissive
of her.

1185
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,040
And you know, literally it's
like, well, if you tell anybody,

1186
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,920
this isn't my child, I'm going
to kill you.

1187
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,360
But then in the next thing, he's
like, you know, how much I I

1188
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,080
admire your or how much I trust
you and how much you know, how

1189
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:23,560
much I admire your years of
loyalty and stuff.

1190
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,840
And it's like something about
the look on her face is very

1191
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:33,840
there is a conflict there.
So, you know, I was thinking

1192
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,960
about what we were talking about
in the last episode.

1193
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:40,160
It's almost like, again, we
don't know what the situation is

1194
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,800
for them to we know what's been
said.

1195
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:49,520
And then, oh, the one thing that
Ned Gowen mentions in this

1196
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,240
episode, So apparently the thing
that happened that caused him to

1197
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,680
lose his status, his other
castle and everything is that he

1198
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:03,640
took a noble woman, apparently
kidnapped her and raped her, or

1199
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,560
that's that's what he's accused
of doing.

1200
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,520
So OK, this is the this is the
first time that I think we

1201
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:15,080
concretely know that this is
some something in his character.

1202
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:19,040
This is not something that's
like basically a rumor, like you

1203
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,840
literally lost your castle and
everything about of course, he's

1204
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,560
still blaming everything on the
Mackenzie's.

1205
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,200
But if what they're saying is is
true of what Nick Gowan is

1206
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,319
saying is true, then we know
that this is something that is

1207
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:36,200
in this man's character.
So it kind of, I feel like it

1208
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:42,200
makes Miss Porter a little bit
more complex because again, if

1209
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:45,600
this happened to her and she
ended up having a child with

1210
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:51,120
him, maybe she's still there
because this is the better life

1211
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:54,760
that she could give her son as
opposed to being a, you know, of

1212
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,319
course, 1700s, you got raped.
Oh, you're a whore.

1213
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,640
Because they don't care that he
would have forced her.

1214
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,880
They would just been looking at
her like, oh, you Jezebel, blah,

1215
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:02,840
blah, blah, blah.
Right.

1216
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,720
So May seduced him, and you did.
It's always the woman's fault.

1217
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:07,800
Right.
Always.

1218
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:14,399
So maybe she stayed, maybe she
stayed there, one, to stay

1219
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:19,200
employed so that she can raise
her child and two, because Lord

1220
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,359
Lovett all, all you know, he
obviously claims Bryant, even

1221
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:28,000
though he is always my bastard
son and not his regular son.

1222
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,600
But if he does this, this
reading for all his children,

1223
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,720
where the rest of his children?
That's the question too.

1224
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:40,359
But I also wonder if.
He made him like maybe he he had

1225
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:43,600
a love for Brian more than what
he does now.

1226
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,960
Like when he was younger and
maybe things changed as Brian

1227
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,319
got older and he realized Brian
was nothing like him or And

1228
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:53,760
that's when he.
Yeah, yeah.

1229
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,640
Or maybe, you know, you
mentioned it earlier, but he did

1230
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,560
mention it in this episode.
But he was talking to Ellen.

1231
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,520
Maybe when Brian went on his
pilgrimage, maybe that's what

1232
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,840
caused his father to be like,
oh, OK, I don't want nothing to

1233
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,280
do with you because you left me.
Right.

1234
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:11,720
Yeah.
Or something like that.

1235
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,240
I mean, you don't appreciate.
Me, you know.

1236
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,080
And it depends on when that
happened.

1237
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:21,120
Did this happen, like, before
Lord Lovett fell from

1238
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,280
prominence, or did it happen
afterwards?

1239
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,680
Because if it happened
afterwards, he probably would

1240
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:31,280
have felt like Brian abandoned
him in his time of need, you

1241
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,400
know, that sort of thing.
And then, of course, Brian

1242
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,240
probably came home out of a
sense of duty to his dad, you

1243
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,320
know, like, OK, yeah, my dad did
this fucked up thing and caused

1244
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,280
us to lose everything, but he's
still my dad.

1245
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,520
Again, 1700s mindset.
Like, he's still my dad.

1246
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,240
I'm still going to go be the
dutiful son.

1247
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,800
And then maybe he didn't want to
leave his mom alone with that

1248
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,600
monster.
You know, yeah.

1249
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,880
Or he could also gave him his
last name after he lost

1250
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,800
everything 'cause he was like,
well, it don't matter now 'cause

1251
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,920
I ain't really the Lord and, you
know, the honest to God like

1252
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,360
Lord anymore.
So it really don't matter if I

1253
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:14,080
got a bastard son or not.
That's true.

1254
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:16,480
Oh my.
Goodness, yeah, I need that back

1255
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:18,200
store too.
Yeah.

1256
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,560
But yeah, that, that whole
thing, like the whole thing with

1257
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:31,280
Julia, and I know that she did
what she did to protect herself,

1258
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:37,360
to protect her child, but it
feels like this lie is now

1259
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,280
spiraling out of control.
Yeah.

1260
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,040
Yeah, 'cause it didn't help with
what the senior said to be No,

1261
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,400
it didn't help.
Because now you think they

1262
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,880
wouldn't let you go anywhere
before.

1263
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,960
You ain't going nowhere now.
You ain't nowhere now.

1264
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:58,280
You really made Miss Porter your
enemy at this point, because now

1265
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,840
she here and all this stuff.
She know you lying and but then

1266
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:07,120
now you got this man head all in
like and she had a threat in.

1267
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:14,400
Her life to protect your life.
Yeah, it's it's a mess.

1268
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:20,960
It's a mess.
I just I, I just kind of I fret

1269
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,880
for whatever's going to happen
when she has this baby because

1270
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,880
it's like with the way things
are and the time period that

1271
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,800
she's in, they could very well
take that baby from her and she

1272
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,960
really could have no recourse
yeah.

1273
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:39,000
Because who are you?
You're some nameless woman who

1274
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:43,480
got dropped into our lap, just
slept with the lair, had his

1275
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:46,120
baby.
So now we just gonna keep the

1276
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,480
baby.
We gonna throw you out on the

1277
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:49,800
street because who are you now
but a vessel to us?

1278
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,080
I mean, that's literally the
mindset he could have.

1279
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,280
I don't think Brian would let
that happen.

1280
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,680
But again, Brian now is at Bell
Tank.

1281
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,760
Yeah.
But also, she, she didn't

1282
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,360
consider that, you know, that's
actually, that's a very valid

1283
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:09,480
point that he could have been
happy to have a kid, but he

1284
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:11,120
didn't want her once it was
done.

1285
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:13,960
And what was she gonna do if
they did kick her out?

1286
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,200
And then what's his name?
Bullock.

1287
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:17,640
Bullock, whatever his name,
Ballack.

1288
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,640
Ballack.
Take her off to the side of the

1289
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,640
road and drop her somewhere
where she can't find her way

1290
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:23,560
back.
Or.

1291
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,800
Kill her or kill her or kill
her.

1292
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,840
Yeah, 'cause he clearly has no
problem with that.

1293
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,960
Right.
But I, you know, I think

1294
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:37,960
probably for her, I don't think
this this was something she

1295
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,320
planned.
This was something that she

1296
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,880
ended up doing because Miss
Porter told her, OK, you can

1297
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,000
either drink this tea or the
layer can get rid of the baby

1298
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,360
for you because, you know, you
being pregnant, you're not going

1299
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:49,240
to be any good.
Such.

1300
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,080
You're not going to be able to
do your chores, blah, blah,

1301
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:53,680
blah, blah, blah.
Just like now, you know.

1302
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,200
Yeah.
Lord Lovett is like, OK, you

1303
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,440
you're going to make sure all
her chores are done for her.

1304
01:13:58,440 --> 01:14:01,280
She's not going to do it.
Like, knowing that this is not

1305
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,280
your child.
You're still giving her all the

1306
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,720
accommodations.
Again, I feel like, yes,

1307
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,400
something like that could
happen.

1308
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:13,880
But I think maybe even when
Julia did that, maybe she was

1309
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,960
thinking that she wouldn't be
there that long.

1310
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:20,280
Maybe she was hoping that by,
you know, that she and Henry

1311
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,880
would have already found each
other by then and they would

1312
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,480
have gone back to Claire and
everything would have been OK.

1313
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:29,200
So I really don't think she was
thinking long term.

1314
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,880
I think she was looking at, OK,
this is a problem right now that

1315
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:40,000
I need to, that I need to solve
to keep my baby safe, right?

1316
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,240
Yeah.
I don't know.

1317
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,360
Oof.
I just, that's just very scary.

1318
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,160
Yeah.
That they just really have no

1319
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:54,160
qualms with murdering people and
raping all that.

1320
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:57,640
And there's no law, there's
really no law to tell them that

1321
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,520
they can't do that.
Yeah, you know, they what is it?

1322
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,040
What is it that they call it?
Clan justice.

1323
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,520
Yeah.
If if they feel like something

1324
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:12,200
needs to be done, and most
likely clan justice would be if

1325
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:16,120
it comes out that Julia lied
about the baby being his,

1326
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,640
they're going to see justice
against her.

1327
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,520
Yeah, not him.
They're going to see justice

1328
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:27,760
against her.
So yeah, that's going to that's

1329
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,000
going to be complicated,
especially because she's so

1330
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,800
close now.
Again, wow.

1331
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,600
They've been gone for months.
They've been there for months.

1332
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,600
That's crazy.
I hate it.

1333
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,640
The only other thing that I
really want to talk about again,

1334
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,120
I think we mentioned this
before.

1335
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:52,000
I am really enjoying this kind
of pseudo bromance with Ned and

1336
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,880
Henry.
Like these are two people who

1337
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,920
who are on opposite class, but
you see that they kind of they

1338
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,960
kind of have a bond.
And I like that.

1339
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,040
And I need to know who.
I need to know who this person

1340
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,080
was that Ned Gowen was in love
with.

1341
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,200
Because.
Oh, I know.

1342
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:12,600
Have a soft spot for Ned Gowen.
You know, he's been there

1343
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:14,920
through all of their trials and
tribulations.

1344
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:19,480
And it's so funny because I was
re watching Outlanders season 7

1345
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:24,720
for Dragon Con and it was the
episode where Jamie is meeting

1346
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,000
with Leary to sign over bow
rigging to her.

1347
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,680
And like Nick Gowan has looked
over things.

1348
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,360
She was like Nick Gowan is still
alive.

1349
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,240
He was like old and crotchety
but and missing a few teeth.

1350
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,960
But yeah, he's still around.
And I was like, I would like to

1351
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,040
see Nick Gowan again and again.
I love the casting that they did

1352
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,560
for this show because he it's
his personality.

1353
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:53,960
So but I need to know the story
like who broke your heart?

1354
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,880
Did this person die?
Did they leave you?

1355
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,240
What happened?
I need to know.

1356
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:02,080
I need to know.
But that was funny.

1357
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,920
I actually kind of wonder
because I feel like Ned has a

1358
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:12,480
little something for Ellen and I
wonder if maybe Ellen's mom

1359
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:18,040
could have possibly been
somebody he was, you know, in

1360
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:23,040
love with or something.
If he he does, I feel like he

1361
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:27,240
has this, like everybody else,
he has this thing about Ellen,

1362
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,640
but I feel like, I don't know, I
feel like he has a thing for

1363
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,960
her, but like, obviously he
knows it'll never be a thing,

1364
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,880
right?
But like I feel like he had.

1365
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,840
Even beyond it is weird because
in some instances when he's

1366
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:44,520
talking to her, it does come
across like he may also be

1367
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,400
infatuated with her.
But then in other instances when

1368
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,680
he's talking to her is almost
paternal.

1369
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,800
Yeah.
So it's like he's very.

1370
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:53,680
Weird Jacob.
Yeah, right.

1371
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,880
That could be her mother he was
in love with.

1372
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,440
That's what I'm thinking because
that story so sad.

1373
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:04,960
I know, I know.
But I and it's even more sad

1374
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,360
because he's he's basically like
trying to tell Henry, like it

1375
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,240
might be time for you to let
this woman go.

1376
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,480
But this is something I've
wondered.

1377
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,840
Harry is not telling anyone that
this woman is his wife.

1378
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,040
Why is he not telling people
this?

1379
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,080
He just keeps telling them that
he's looking for a woman.

1380
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,920
Looking for a woman, right?
Tell me.

1381
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,000
So she's looking for your wife.
Your pregnant wife.

1382
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,120
That might ring some bells with
people.

1383
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:33,640
Yeah.
Pregnant English woman, but

1384
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,440
perhaps?
That's why I was funny when she

1385
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:41,440
said the the the black lady, the
black proprietors like British

1386
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:43,560
woman with kind eyes.
I got you.

1387
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,200
And I was like, oh, Laura, she
didn't find some slice nut

1388
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:51,040
roaming the countryside roaming.
The islands, when I tell you I

1389
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,840
was so mad when he walked in
that room because I was like, I

1390
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,960
know this is not Julia.
What did he get?

1391
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:01,160
And when, when she walked out
like nothing against, nothing

1392
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,440
against the horn, nothing
against her, but I was like, I,

1393
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:12,040
you saw how Henry's face fell
and I felt so bad for that girl.

1394
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,560
But I'm like, but you know, he
was, you weren't what he was

1395
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,000
looking for.
But why are you not telling

1396
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,400
folks that you were looking for
your wife?

1397
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,160
Like she wouldn't be a horror
lady this matter what she would

1398
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,280
be doing.
Well, you know, that was the

1399
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:26,800
thing.
He was like, you know, have you

1400
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,200
ever wanted something and didn't
want something at the same time?

1401
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,920
He was like, because I would
have loved to have found her,

1402
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:34,880
but it would have broke.
I think it would have broken his

1403
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,960
heart if he had found her there,
because it would have.

1404
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,040
It really would have been one of
those situations where she

1405
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,080
probably wouldn't have had a
choice.

1406
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,680
Yeah.
I mean, if you think about it,

1407
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:51,040
if the crofter and his wife
didn't knock her upside the head

1408
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,800
and bring her to the Frasers,
where would she be right now?

1409
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:59,120
She could have ended up there
easily if someone else had found

1410
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,800
her on the road.
Let's say if even if Ballack had

1411
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,840
found her on the road.
Someone like that, she could be

1412
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,640
dead in a ditch somewhere.
That's true.

1413
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,400
That's very true.
Or like you said it, they could

1414
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,560
have sold her out to the to the
whole house and then, you know,

1415
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:20,080
'cause they clearly have no
problem with taking people's

1416
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:21,800
autonomy and just being like,
oh, it's.

1417
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,960
Selling fun now like I'm a just
grab Dean off the side and go

1418
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,560
here he go.
You have her cover.

1419
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:29,240
Who?
Is for her.

1420
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:33,000
Or some who way what?
Oh, yeah, that's great.

1421
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:37,800
Thank you.
I needed a job, but yeah.

1422
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,560
I don't know, I liked this
episode.

1423
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,760
I really did.
But also there were Mercer.

1424
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,880
I just.
There was a lot of pain.

1425
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:55,000
Michelle, I thought about you.
I was like I said, I know.

1426
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,360
She over there crying in her
cups.

1427
01:20:56,440 --> 01:20:58,520
Bob Marks.
Yeah, that's why I sent you a

1428
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,080
text message.
I was like, I'm done.

1429
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,000
She was like, I'm done.
I can't watch this show.

1430
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,080
I'm done, she.
Was like I can't do.

1431
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:09,960
It I turned it off too.
I was like Nope, Nope, the pain.

1432
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:14,800
And then OK, I got a side note.
OK, so when the ladies came out

1433
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,760
to dance at the end.
Yes.

1434
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,080
I got thought so.
When did they have dance

1435
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:25,320
practice?
Now they just know they they

1436
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,720
were all together.
I don't know it's one.

1437
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,240
Of those things where that,
that's one of those, yeah.

1438
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,320
It's kind of like passed down
from mother to daughter to.

1439
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:37,760
No ma'am, they had to meet every
Mondays when the sun is at the

1440
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,680
highest.
We were doing it all together.

1441
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,880
We knew when to turn left, when
to turn right.

1442
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,480
We practice this.
I love it.

1443
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:48,760
I mean, they probably have a
little group that gets together

1444
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,920
and do it.
And learn it just I just thought

1445
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,160
of it as they were doing it was
like that just tickled me.

1446
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,200
But I did love seeing it.
I mean it.

1447
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,640
Was pretty.
It is very much so.

1448
01:22:00,440 --> 01:22:02,600
Like it's, you know, and it's
the same thing from like the

1449
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,840
original 1, you know, the people
in this square.

1450
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,200
So I like that they did that,
Carl back to kind of show it's

1451
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,640
been going on for a.
Long time for a long time.

1452
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,640
But I'm so glad that wasn't a
wedding because when they

1453
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,760
started this episode out and
Ellen was doing her dress fit, I

1454
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,160
was like, are we doing a wedding
already?

1455
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,800
Like, what is going on?
What, what did I mean?

1456
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,400
I was like, 'cause I don't think
I remember her actually getting

1457
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,760
married to Malcolm Grant.
And I was like, what is going

1458
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,480
on?
And then oh, OK, here again,

1459
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:38,160
Jacosta coming in all snarky.
300 cast pain in my existence.

1460
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,680
That's OK.
This is hard.

1461
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,240
That's why I like shows like
this though 'cause it's hard to,

1462
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,160
to just hate people.
Yeah, like there's something

1463
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,480
like Simon Fraser, like he gets
out of hate, like he, there's no

1464
01:22:51,480 --> 01:22:54,760
redeeming qualities for him.
But like, I really can't hate

1465
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,200
Japan, so I really can't hate
like Malcolm.

1466
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,360
I, you know, there's who are
probably really crappy people,

1467
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,920
but when you see their back
story and all the things they've

1468
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,240
had to deal with, I can't hate
Davina Porter 'cause I feel like

1469
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:09,600
she a woman in the same in that
time and she been there her

1470
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,560
whole life, probably dealing
with this same shit, you know,

1471
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:17,400
and I'm just like, I can't hate
her, but I can't hate her.

1472
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,080
I can't.
Hate Frank, you know.

1473
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,000
Well, I know 'cause he wasn't
his father.

1474
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,560
He actually was a decent.
Dude, but also that Jack.

1475
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,040
What was his name?
Jack Black.

1476
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:28,680
Jack Randall.
Now I hate him.

1477
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,240
That's OK.
That mofo that.

1478
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:36,040
One right there, yeah.
Arch bug We can hate him 'cause

1479
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,320
I don't, I don't see anything
redeeming about him yet Yeah.

1480
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:42,280
So yeah, we can hate him too.
But he can.

1481
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:44,080
Kick rocks.
Yeah.

1482
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,160
But it's just so many good
characters that are just,

1483
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,040
they're not horrible people, but
they are.

1484
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:51,480
And I don't know, it's just
hard.

1485
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,560
Yeah, because even going back to
the whole Miss Porter thing,

1486
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,840
it's like I think we talked
about in the last episode, like,

1487
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,640
you see, this woman is alone.
She's she's kind of a fish out

1488
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,240
of a out of water.
She's pregnant.

1489
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:10,200
You could help her out.
But again, going back to what we

1490
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:17,400
were saying as well, if if Miss
Porter's position is so

1491
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:20,920
precarious that her opening her
mouth could threaten, you know,

1492
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,920
like she can be threatened to be
killed or be put out on the

1493
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,360
street.
She probably is just protecting

1494
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:31,800
her standing, her place and her
son's place.

1495
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:36,200
You know, and it's like that
kind of that kind of environment

1496
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:40,120
doesn't really foster.
OK, let's stand up for each

1497
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:41,720
other.
Let's take up for each other.

1498
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,480
Let's watch out for each other.
It literally is every woman for

1499
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:46,920
herself.
And she's got to think about

1500
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,040
herself.
She's got to think about her

1501
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,520
child, even though he a grown
ass man, but still, you got to

1502
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,160
think about what's going to
happen with him if his father

1503
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:57,720
decides.
Oh, OK, You know what?

1504
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:01,920
I got another bastard coming,
and then let's let's not even

1505
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:02,720
talk about that.
What?

1506
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,760
What happens if he decides?
Far as Lord Lord Lovett is

1507
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,000
concerned, Julie is a single
woman.

1508
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,760
He might be like, OK, you finna
marry me.

1509
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,360
Yeah, that's gonna be a problem.
Yeah.

1510
01:25:14,440 --> 01:25:18,960
And and they can resend the, the
can't they resend the like the

1511
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,280
like the, the unbastardizing he
did.

1512
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,200
Can he just take that back and
make him make him take away his

1513
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,160
last name again and stuff like
that?

1514
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:32,320
I mean, he can, I think he can
keep the last name, but it's

1515
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,920
just, you know, because you're,
because you are a bastard of

1516
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,160
that last name.
He's not really entitled to

1517
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,280
anything.
If Lord Lovett says no, I don't

1518
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,880
want to leave him anything he
doesn't have to.

1519
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:50,320
Yeah.
So that's, that's, you know, I

1520
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,840
did wonder about that.
Is that like one of the reasons

1521
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:57,080
why she also was scared is that
he could take that away from her

1522
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,360
son.
And if he gets a new son and you

1523
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:02,680
know.
But he hadn't even gotten he he

1524
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,120
don't have anything to give him.
You lost everything because you

1525
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:07,480
couldn't keep a Dick in your
pants.

1526
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:13,000
Yeah, but also, yeah, also you
rather have a new conquest then

1527
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:17,040
to get some money to pay them
bills to fix your house, right?

1528
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:22,080
So exactly, exactly.
I got to think about my needs.

1529
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,680
Sir, your roof is falling down
on you.

1530
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:29,160
Like really, have you seen, have
you seen the outside of of that

1531
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:31,120
castle?
Like there was a shot where

1532
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,600
Julie was outside.
I think it was when she was

1533
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:37,280
coming back from leaving the
offering for the the milk

1534
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:41,440
fairies or whatever.
Half of the roof on one side of

1535
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:45,560
the building is gone.
It's gone.

1536
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,080
Bricks are missing from the side
of the building.

1537
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,000
But you would rather get the
girl because you got needs too,

1538
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,960
Yeah?
Just selfish and horrible.

1539
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:02,800
Like have you ever a real
layered like how?

1540
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,600
Right.
Probably by taking stuff.

1541
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:13,240
He's so disgusting, so great.
Do we have anything else about

1542
01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,720
this episode to talk about?
Because I'm really anxious to

1543
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,600
get to the next episode.
No, we we hit the the

1544
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,280
highlights.
Yeah, we, I think we got

1545
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,600
everything because most of it
was them ravishing each other on

1546
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,280
the church flow.
Right.

1547
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:33,400
And then, you know, devastation.
Yeah, and they're learning about

1548
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:36,880
each other after the ravishing.
Then the loss of the first.

1549
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,200
Your first love, sister, sibling
rivalry.

1550
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:45,840
Yeah, yeah.
And the fortune teller and the

1551
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:47,760
fortune.
Of poor little Martha.

1552
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,560
Yeah.
I feel like I want to go back

1553
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,880
and watch that Lord love it
episode of the regular Outlander

1554
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,320
show now though, and just kind
of.

1555
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:57,280
Just to see.
Yeah, just to see.

1556
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,400
Yeah.
Actually, that's a good idea.

1557
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,160
I think I'm actually, I want to
do a rewatch of the whole series

1558
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:07,320
because like the stuff that you
see and you're like, oh snap,

1559
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:09,840
this reminds me of so and so I
like.

1560
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,880
Right.
Especially some of the stuff

1561
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,120
that we're learning now, it's
like when you think about the

1562
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,360
characters and where we last saw
them or how we've seen them,

1563
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,080
it's like, OK, so I see how
they're weaving that story.

1564
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,240
Like I think they're doing a
really good job, I will say

1565
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:30,320
that.
But again, I think I I need to I

1566
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,000
need to see the transition of
what happens with Mercer.

1567
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,760
I think that's going to be the
biggest that's that's kind of

1568
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,120
aside from the Henry and Julia
mystery.

1569
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,600
I think that's the biggest draw
for me is to see what's going on

1570
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:50,000
with Martha and and how he gets
from here to where we got him.

1571
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:57,120
So, yeah.
So OK, if you guys don't have

1572
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:01,520
anything else to say about this
episode, we're going to go ahead

1573
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,280
and conclude here.
That is it for our show.

1574
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,080
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1575
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,960
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1576
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,760
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1577
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,680
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1578
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,000
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1579
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,560
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1580
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,320
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