Outlander: Blood of My Blood (Season 1 Episode 1) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #369

0:25 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Michelle and our special guest Dina, our friend from Drunk and blurty. She's here with us tonight and we are discussing the new star series Outlander Blood of my blood. This is a prequel of the Outlander series that we have enjoyed for seven seasons so far. This show takes place in the early 1700s and it gives us the parallel love stories of the parents of both Jamie Fraser and Claire Randall Fraser.

1:06 So let's get into it first. Thoughts. How did you guys enjoy the show? It was very well done, very in the vein of the original. Things that kept me captivated in the original kept me captivated here. I I would say the one thing that I have to like suspend my disbelief on is that they just happen to kind of meet the same people and it was destined for them to kind of be on this path. But other than that, I it was amazing and it Oh my God, let me just tell you all the crushes I have yeah, beautiful. We will get, we will get to that because. There's a lot going on. There's a lot going on.

1:48 What about you, Michelle, 'cause I know you just got a chance to watch the episode today, right? Yes, and I really yes, I really did enjoy it. Like I'm so I love, I guess you would say this was a prequel. I do, because I always like to know how we got to this point. So it was it was just actually cool. And then I can see how where Jamie got his, like some of his things about him and his characteristics and how he treats Claire, like I can see it already in his parents. So I like, completely enjoyed this. And it had, yeah, it kept with the same, the style was the same, which I enjoy because that's why I enjoy Outlander. So yeah.

2:32 Yeah, I think it's good that it has people who were involved in the original show. I think they're using the same crew. So I think that's one of the reasons why we feel that continuity. But I, when I say I enjoyed it and I did something with this show that I, I try not to do with shows too much is I try not to pay attention to a lot of the pre, you know, the pre premiere stuff because I don't want to be tainted. But with this one, I was watching everything. I was watching interviews, I was watching red carpets. I was watching everything because I wanted to see how these people kind of interact with each other off screen. And then when I started seeing it on screen, it was just like, I really felt the way that I did with the first outlandish.

3:17 I was drawn in. I was just kind of, Oh my God, this is amazing, but let's get into it. Let's talk about some things. The first thing I want to say is chef's kiss. Kudos to the casting department because they understood the assignment. When I say the casting in this show is so freaking impeccable, just going from, I mean, even with the kids, the fact that I don't know if you guys are aware, but the younger versions of Rupert and Angus in this episode are actually the sons of the actors who played Rupert and Rupert and Angus in the original show. So those little things I liked because, you know, kind of see the spirit of those two characters in these kids and then going all the way up to the older kid, to the older cast. Like if I hadn't have watched all the interviews and stuff and know who they were, I immediately could have told you who was who.

4:22 Because the casting, the the looks, the the personality like they did such a great job. They did. But yeah, I have something that when I was watching, I was like, I need to know what did they do to Murtaugh to make him before a grumpy man later? I need to know because whatever, whoever did something to him, I need to hurt them. Well, you know, light and fluffy, you know, the one that he was in love with, fell in love with his cousin investors. Yeah, but I know that. But that can't be the one thing that just caused him to be that. I mean, he was like. He. We're going to a party.

5:05 I'm like what the hell is happening? He was giving young Ian, like, his little smile. Yeah. Young Ian, like that sweetness. Adorable. Yeah. I was like, I'm ready to fight for him. Like what happened, right? I mean love, I guess God, oh, I mean I guess love containing that bad. But I didn't think it was that, just that. It also made me wonder because with the whole thing with Jacasa, you know, later, it just made me wonder, 'cause I'm like, He is clearly smitten with Ellen, Yeah. But it looks like everyone is smitten with Ellen. And I don't know if it's like, I know, of course it's she's, she's the eldest Mackenzie daughter.

5:47 She's the one who, you know, read Jacob doted on. But I also feel like part of it is not necessarily just because of her beauty, because all of the sisters are very beautiful. The the, you know, the ones that they cast. I almost feel like that was just the fact that she is so determined not to marry out of necessity or out of duty, and she wants to marry for love. And I think the fact that she's so unattainable makes her more desirable to these men. They're like, oh, she's a single one. Yeah. Let me you know, because we are dealing with the 1700s, we do know that arranged marriage is a big thing back then. I mean, we also see that these characters, like they look at each other and they're instantly in love, which it's hard to kind of suspend that disbelief because I feel like we know a little bit more now and we're like, OK, that's not necessarily love at first sight.

6:48 It's probably lust. It's probably don't oh it. Is it's interesting. It's the pheromones. It's everything. No, they got the pheromones are out now. They I mean, what happened to days, right? It ain't been no bad. So the pheromones are out, out and their pheromones like each other. But another thing about Ellen that you mentioned about her being unattainable is also how her dad raised her because he raised her to like shine her light. And at that time, no woman is raised to shine their light. So she's walking around and you know when someone is bright and their light shine even if you not even being attracted to him and sexually like you are just attracted to that being and she has that light around her.

7:33 Yeah, the other. Thing about that too, is with Jacob promising that she would never have to marry, I'm pretty sure he got a lot of people, a lot of suitors coming in, him asking for her hand. And then he was like, Nah, you can't have it, right? You're not worthy of you. Too you too stupid for my daughter. Like, no, I mean, so I mean just like, what What what you just said, Michelle, she's walking around like, yeah, like you're not worthy of my daughter. I I need her to have someone who is going to be her equal, someone who is going to allow her to be her. I mean, Jacob obviously doted on her because she's the only one out of the out of the five of them who seems like really torn by his death.

8:15 Dougal and Column obviously didn't really care for him, probably because he doted on her so much to the point where he just, you know, even even in the conversation flashback we have from her, he doesn't really think much of his sons, you know, And then Jacosta and Janet, like Janet, she's clearly torn that her dad is gone, but she also notices she was like, you know, Ellen probably loved him more than anybody, you know, and and you can see it in the flashbacks, the conversations that they had together, he very clearly loved her. He respected her. He basically, if she had been born a a man, she would have been the heir.

8:58 And if times weren't the way that they were, I think if he thought that the clan would accept a a woman chief, I think he would have done that. He probably would have been the first to be like, yeah, you can be chief because you're the only one who's going to know what to do, you know? But the fact that now he's gone and again, these parents, parents, if you have property, if you have riches and have anything that right, please do your will. Please handle your ships so that we don't have this kind of thing going on. Look at the chief of Saris. Right. I was about to see you know what I was about to say that like because here he trained his daughter to to lead team because she wasn't going to be a leader.

9:46 You know I can't, but at least help your daughter out. Some I think he felt like she could. She could at least steer her brothers. Whichever 1 he chose, he could at least help steer them to make the correct decisions. Unfortunately for him, it seems like his passing was very sudden because we seen that flashlight. He was like, I have no plans on dying, you know, anytime soon. And then, yeah, but he still should have have chosen one. But I feel like he didn't know who to choose. He didn't he. Didn't he? Was he almost? He was almost fully like, you know what? Just, you know. I mean, he would have definitely chosen column just because column is more steady and more even my even tempered and and he thinks. But he just wouldn't have trusted that Colin was gonna be able to keep, you know, keep the client safe, keep and keep Dougal in check.

10:38 Oh, my God. OK, so. So since you talked about the the show crushes earlier, Dougal is an asshole in this show. But my goodness, my goodness, that love would. Be fair, Graham was also. That. His Dougal was also. Yes, he was. And that was the, that's the thing like and. Lovable. Again, the casting, the casting department, they knew what they were doing because this young guy who was playing Dougal, I was like, like it is he related to Graham at all?

11:21 Or it's like he's channeling what Graham did with Ogre do older Dougal. But he's a he's a lot more intense in this one because, of course, right now he's emotional right now the the the future of the clan is kind of at stake. So he and his brother, like he and column. I always know in the show that they had their disagreements, they had their dislikes. They literally are plotting to kill each other in this episode because they want this so bad. I was just like, wow, this is so intense. But Oh my God, at the same time, it's so I don't know if I want to say sexy it is. But yeah, there's some.

12:05 There's something very, very raw about this. Dougal. Yes, very proud. Yeah, that is very attractive. And I was just like even, yes, that's, that's exactly right. I need you. To say that of like him being basically humbled under columns rule made him into the Google. We knew an Outlander, right? But he ain't nowhere near that right now, no. He on the loose, he on the wow, I mean. He is just as soon. As I saw him, I was like, that's Google. I do it so when when they started doing the trailers and the sneak peeks and and you see, like the people, like I said, you can kind of sort of point out now he his was kind of interesting because I was like, why? He has a full head of hair and a full beard. You know, we're so used to Dougal being bald, even in the flashbacks of the main show, he's already, you know, Gray and bald when we see him.

13:05 But then Outlander and Star started doing these reels on Facebook where they're kind of introducing the characters. As soon as he opened his mouth, I was like, oh, Oh my God, That is absolutely 100% Dougal Mackenzie. And the same with column. When he says the line, it was a line he said in this one about your, your overreaching or you're doing something, bro. That was like, whoa, did he just channel Gary Lewis out of his mouth? Because like again, the the the casting is just so the the, the mannerisms, the kind of restraint that he shows as column and the kind of non restraint that's shown as Dougal. I was like, you know what, Y'all are going to have me on opposite sides trying to figure out who I'm rooting for. Granted, we know the story, we know how it ends up, but at the same time, I'm kind of like column, if you're going to be this calm, I don't know if you're going to be able to hold the clan.

14:08 But then the whole thing, the manipulation thing he did with Dougal sent kind of sort of sending him after Ellen. I was like, that's why you became clan chief. That's. That. That's why. That's why I feel like Jacob would have chosen him and just been, you know, like I said, worried that he wasn't going to be able to hold it. You know what I mean? But as far as mine, Oh my God, he's so smart and so cunning and shrewd and Oh my gosh, this. Yeah, I was kind of, I was on his. I was like, OK, Ellen is on his side. She was like, you know, you got my vote, blah, blah, blah. Then later on in episode when he's like, yeah, we had something more valuable than such and such we have we have marriage. Give Ellen to I was like Hong Kong 1700 Seventeen 117. 100 Dad bowed that she would never have to get married. Well, he's dead.

15:02 He's dead, and so his his. Word, I said. You know what, you bastard, right? Right. Your bastard, right? But OK, there are several. Let me let me get my mouth together. There are several Easter eggs in the episode that I noticed. Of course, I was looking for different little things like how are they going to incorporate a little bit of the, you know, the main show or the main story into this story to kind of, you know, pay homage or not towards it. I love the fact that it seems like she named Jamie because her father would have. That's the name her father would have given her if she had been born a boy.

15:47 I thought that was very sweet. You know, the fact that she named him James. Going back to watching them prepare her kilt so that she could wear for the funeral, I was like, oh, this looks familiar. I like this. But I also liked all of the flashbacks again, because you get to see the relationship that he has with her and why this is such a devastating thing for her. And then, you already know, like, from the top of the episode. Yeah, her life is about to change because she doesn't have that protection anymore. And I'm sorry, little Ned Gowen. I'm not sure I quite like him yet. In this one, I'm like, you're also.

16:27 You're also very shrewd and very. Manipulative. You're not like the sweet Meg out. But you know what? I guess. But he was. He was trying though 'cause he was trying to be on Ellen side though. Don't talk to her like that right? Fucking too. Like there was a little. Yeah, he had a little. Crush on her too 'cause he got real mad. Yeah, you don't talk to her that way and. Try to play it off. I was like, oh, OK. 'Cause he was going to get beat up, right? Even column was gonna knock him up Saturday. Like we can talk to her how we want to talk to her, right? Yeah, right. My. Sister, I do what I want. But he respected, you know, we respected his dad, so, and their dad really loved their sister.

17:16 So he was sticking to that. Like, that's not how he would have wanted her to be treated. But you know that's true. He got no. But this is what happens when you die and you don't leave a will and you don't leave any kind of directive on how you want things to go. So again, make your wheels people. But I'm like. We never People say that all the time. You don't know the hour no other day. But I ain't gonna prepare 'cause I ain't gonna die no child soon. Right. Right now, Dina, I think when you messaged me, you were saying that you did was I think it was you.

17:57 You said you didn't realize that that was Claire's mother in the beginning of the episode with Laura Lovett. I ain't paid. No, I didn't either. That doesn't because I didn't pay like you sent me long time ago pictures who was in the cast, But I I wasn't looking for any extra. I want to go in fresh eyes. So I was just feeling bad for that Lady. I was like hurry up and get out of the right, get out the dining room. You need to get out the dining room. And then later I was like, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. I I went on. I didn't notice nothing. Yeah. And I don't even know how I didn't notice Henry. He didn't even take like he looks exactly the same. What?

18:39 Nothing different about him. Right. Yeah, because when when the episode aired, I already knew that they were gonna split the episodes that that the first episode was going to focus mainly on Ellen and Brian and that the second episode focuses mostly on Julia and Henry. So I wasn't expecting them to already be in the past when this episode airs. So when I saw her, I was like, wait a minute. So y'all are starting us off like this? Like we are automatically, we're already seeing her and not knowing. And then the fact that she is with the family, I was like, oh, so I see how they're kind of doing it.

19:23 It's like, OK, Jamie and Claire kind of were faded to me because their parent, her Claire's parents had already kind of ingratiated themselves into this world. So I'm really interested to see how that's going to play out. But my question is, there are certain things that they reveal in this episode, and I want to know if it triggered certain things for you. Like 1, the fact that Julia is pregnant, that like Claire is already around. She's already kind of, you know, the age that she was when her parents died and we find out that Julia is pregnant again. What did this trigger for you or what did this make you think when you when you heard that? To be honest, I OK, so when it occurred, I was like, OK, I like this.

20:13 This is not the beginning of their love story. We we coming in like right when the car accident happens around that time. So I was like, OK, this is interesting, Claire. Oh. Claire. Oh, she look girl, OK. And she was Uncle Lam. Right. And then funny figure out that she was pregnant. Then that made me start thinking about the last episode of Outlander. And I'm like how this matches up. This has to match up like they've been traveling. So the baby was born at a different time. So she may think Faith is Faith, but it actually could be her Mama called the Faith. I don't know. I'm tripping. I'm trying to figure it out and that's where I am.

20:56 What about you, Dina? So just you know, I so I never ended up going back to finish the season and I started binging it 'cause I was like I need to finish the season 'cause I OK, I had a little PCSD that first episode. Jamie. Oh he did. I said please stop doing this to me, please stop doing this. Please just don't do this to me no more 'cause I know he not dead. But like why y'all putting Claire through this? And right, and you got Laura. John Gray up in here marrying post because y'all don't put him through this. And I just was so frustrated and mad and I was sad and then I just so I finally went back and I'm I'm almost done, but I haven't gotten to the end.

21:39 So when I saw that she was pregnant, I had the thought of like, oh, so if they end up stuck there where they are, then this baby is somebody grand. Great great grandmama who Great grandmama is like I is she like? Gayla's grandma. Like who went? Like I want to know like, OK, so since you haven't watched that part before me, it's fine. You sure? Yep. Nope, it's totally fine. It's my fault. I didn't. I ran from it. I That was on me. So I won't tell where where exactly did you get to in the main show? Oh. Like, have you met Fanny and Jane yet? Yes, matter of fact, they took Jane. They just took the episode I finished. They just took Jane and arrested her for that captain's murder. Oh, OK, so let's just say that during the conversation that Claire has with Fanny, she finds out that their mom's name was Faith.

22:39 OK, Then at. Oh, OK in the season finale, they're outside. There's, you know, they're getting ready to go somewhere and they're going to take Fanny with them. And Fanny is inside the church, Claire here singing. And the song that is being sung is a song from the 1900s. It's not a song that Fanny in her age should know. So when she walks in and she asks Fanny, she was like, where have you heard that song? And she was like, my mom used to sing it to me. Again. Her mom's name is Faith, so she's wondering if her daughter is actually alive. Because. There's something else that happened in the episode before that I'm not going to tell you because it's a huge spoiler. OK, OK.

23:25 That Claire receives an apology for And she was like, I don't know why I'm getting this apology. So the way that they ended the the season is that Claire tells Jamie their daughter may not have actually died. Now, I don't think that's the case. I because again, this is something that we discussed. This is something the whole fandom has discussed. Like that baby was clearly dead, right, right. Player was sitting there holding it and singing it. So my thought when we found out that Julia was pregnant, because I think again, this is like early, this is 17. That's like 39 I think, they said.

24:06 I I think it's a little bit old. I think it's a little bit old. I think it might be 1720 something so. Oh, you know what I'm thinking about, Laura. I'm thinking about what? About the original, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm thinking either Julia had her baby there, and I was thinking that her child, she might have named her child Faith, and then Faith had had other children. You know, that that's kind of what I was thinking. I was like, oh. Now be trippy because her mom was around when that song was out that she was singing, and she would have sung it to her like she sung it to Claire. That's what I was thinking, too. Yeah. Yeah.

24:46 The other thing that made me wonder is, OK, again, we see that Julia and Henry are both with their respect, their respective households. We see Julia with the Fraser household. We see Henry with the Grants who is kind of sort of on the McKenzie side. So it made me wonder, at some point I feel like their paths are going to have to cross or Julia's path is going to have to cross with the Mckenzie's at some point. Because we do see in the promos that she and Ellen, not this, I don't know if they actually become friends, but they do their past due cross. And she's the one who kind of convinces Ellen, hey, if you really want this man, if you really in love with him, go after him.

25:31 Because I know what it's like to lose my true love. But I'm wondering if Column and Dougal cross paths with Julia and and and talk to her and know of her history and that's why they were so suspicious of Claire when she first got there, because Julia and Claire have very similar looks. Again, casting department did an amazing job because they do share a lot of similarities. She has the last name Beecham. So I was just wondering, thinking back to Columns first. That first night when he invites her to dinner, he was like, Beecham, you don't say your name, you know, Beauchamp, and they have that conversation. I was like, I wonder, is that why they were so suspicious of her?

26:19 Why? They were like, yeah, you ain't telling us the. Truth. I was like, hmm, So I, I like the way that I feel like they're gonna try to tie it is 'cause you. Yeah, 'cause now you have to do all those things together, right? Like, if she looks very similar, Claire looks similar to her mom. Her mom was already there before. But her mom was also new. You know, her mom kind of dropped in out of nowhere. They just they just kind of found her. She finds herself in a strange place in a strange time. Same with Henry. Although from what we can tell from what we saw in this episode, it looks like they may have been in these roles for a while because they seem pretty comfortable with what they're doing.

27:07 But the fact that Missus Porter, who is the the cook and Lord Lovett's house, when she talks to Julia, she was like, I told you not to be with him alone, always have me in your presence and stuff. And I was like, oh, wait a minute, that's Brian's mother. I think that's Brian's mother. It's like, oh, OK, so it's I, I think it's really interesting. Yeah, that's what I got because. Go ahead, Dina, I I think there's a little bit of a lag, but oh. Sorry. Oh, it's OK.

27:48 Yeah, no, that's what I was thinking too, because when she told her, you know, you have work to do in the kitchens or whatever, and she was like, Oh yes, miss, whatever. And then she looked back at the layered, or the knot layered, Mr. Fraser, and gave him a look like I know you better get your life, you know what I mean? Like she gave. Him a look and he he was like. Right. And I thought that was. Brilliant. Yeah, and I thought that was really interesting because what we know of the old Fox from the regular Outlander show, like he is one of those. He's very arrogant, very misogynist, very much. I'm the, I'm the, you know, HNIC, y'all gonna do what I say. And I don't care how you feel about it. I don't care what you think about it, but we're gonna do it. But literally when she looks at him, he stops and I don't. Know if it's a?

28:41 Right, right. And I don't know if it's a guilt thing because if I'm not mistaken, didn't he force her like he raped her? I'm pretty sure I. OK, I'm getting up. So it's like, and I'm I'm pretty sure she probably is still there because one again, back then 1700s, nobody cares about what you do. Raping, raping a woman is kind of like, that's an everyday thing back then. But to the fact that she got pregnant and had a, you know, had a baby, she was probably like, OK, even though this situation happened and I, I can't stand him. This is probably the best place for my son, you know, And he's especially since Lord Lovett does recognize him, did give him his last name.

29:27 Now, granted, he still has no problem saying that he's a bastard and that, you know, you, you better remember what you are and what you aren't. Whatever. But, you know, at least he did give him that much, you know, So I guess she totally. Forgot it that he was the grandfather from the original 1. I didn't even remember I forgot all about him until you just said that. Yeah. Like that was him. Oh my God I got to go back and like re watch all the Outlander. Yeah. And that's the thing, because when you when you look at certain people and you're trying to figure out who they are and how they correlate to the Outlander things, there's one in this episode that I had missed that it it didn't dawn on me until the second episode.

30:11 And I was like, I know who you are. You know that who that person was standing next to Isaac Grant. Grant. He's he's the one that was with Malcolm Grant when Malcolm saw that Ellen was leaving, even though she had told him she was going to bed, he was like, your father's already left. And he was like, OK, well, we'll leave too. He's I thought you wanted to stay. That's Arch. Oh, OK. Oh yes, because he said Mr. Bug. He said Mr. Bug, I thought he said in next episode. I remember. It in the next episode, yeah, I remember in next episode, but yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's that's. Yeah, I had to think of it because I remember I was trying to figure I was like the grants, the grants.

30:56 And I was like, I remember him saying when he and Jamie got into it about the gold, he was like, I used to be the tack man for the grants and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, that's arch. And then there's something that happens in the next episode and I was like, Oh yeah, that's definitely arch. But yeah, I was like, OK, so it was interesting seeing him. And then I I'm trying to think, who else? Latisha, because we haven't seen Latisha since the first season. Columns Wife. Yeah, so we get to see a younger version of her. Janet. I I remember that that's the auntie that Janet that Jamie's sister Jenny was named after.

31:40 But I don't remember what happened to her because up until the up until this episode, I forgot they had an aunt named Janet. I was like, did he mention? Oh, yeah, he did because he said something about Jenny was named after her. So I was like, OK. Because he only called her Janet when he was like, mad at her. Yeah, or trying to be proper. Yeah, Janet, Janet. Yeah, yeah. But yeah. So again, casting did a great job with with those characters because you can't kind of see a lot of echoes of of those characters, the older versions of those characters in these younger versions. And I know that they that they did watch the show. I think Jamie Roy, who plays Brian, he was a fan of the show before he got cast.

32:32 And I think his story is that he actually went in to audition for one of the battle scenes. He was going to be just, I think he said military militia man #4 or something like that. Was just going to be like a heart. But Meryl Davis said that when they when they saw him audition that, you know, she was thinking, wow, he does kind of look like Sam. Maybe we should keep him for the prequel. At that time, the prequel hadn't been greenlit yet. So it just kind of was one of those things where they were like, OK, we don't know what's going to happen. Then apparently one of the stars executives came in and saw it and was like, wow, he really looks like Sam Hu and should we keep him for the prequel?

33:15 And Meryl Davis said that's how they knew the prequel was going to happen, because of that conversation, right? Yeah, I don't think they could have picked anybody better. No, and they they they have a lot of the same movements. He he mimics some of his facial expressions. And then watching them two together, like in the press stuff, Sam and Jamie, I was just like, wow. Yeah, it's a lot like I'm getting first season Jamie so hard right now. So hard. Yes, I know. So look. So who do you have the bigger crush on?

33:56 Dina. Girl oh, it's always it's always gonna be Brian 'cause them blue eyes and their black hair, honey oh, that is my. I don't think I've ever seen hair that black. I was like, really? Oh, you got dark hair? The the quote, UN quote suitors. Who is your crush? Michelle Dougal. Yeah, I got to say Dougal is. Yeah. And, and it's something about his presence, like, one, this dude is so big. Like he has such a huge stature and I don't think he was that big before.

34:38 I think he kind of, you know, he worked out to be that big to kind of play this version because if you you see him in other pictures, you'd be like, those are two different men. Yeah. No, but he like, I mean the. Actor in real life is is is handsome clean face and no, I'm not saying he's not he has some clean face, but that beard and how he walk around right now, yes. He's just like, he just wants to kill, right? He wants to hit everything. He wants to kill everything. I like the day that they brought back the game where he's just sitting there hitting balls. I'm like, dude, are you in the band game? And you just you just like I, I don't know you, you're taking out your frustrations on all of them. Why?

35:21 Because because they're not clearly the lair yet. But. And my second one is Murtaugh. Like right now he's so. Smiley. You like some bread? He and I thought the same thing you did, Michelle. I was like this Martha seems so happy, so carefree, so silly, and he's just like, such a goofball. And I love it. And I thought the same thing. I was like, wow, life really wore him down. Because you could see a little of that mischievousness in the older doodle. Oh, yeah. It was very rare that it would come out. You know, you see it a lot with Jamie when he when they're talking about the past and stuff. You can kind of see it once Claire let him in on her secret and he was able to be more comfortable or she was able to be more comfortable with him.

36:13 You see it with with her and just the later episodes where he comes back, they see him in the States and they kind of rebuild this this relationship. You can see touches of it here and there, but nothing like this. And I was just like, I love seeing this version of him, you know? And I think I'm going to hate seeing what it is that happens to him to make him into the way that he he was. But I know we'll see it because even before this season aired or this episode aired, they've already been renewed and have started production on Season 2. So yeah. Wow, Stars knows, boy, Stars knows about these big dramas. I'm telling.

36:59 You these characters like they took a chance on Outlander when they did it and the fact that they have gone for so long. I really believe that the reason why one of the reasons why they are stopping at the eighth season is because if you look at what the stars are doing outside of Outlander now, they probably they could not stay tied to A to the show for too much longer. Katrina, like she is all over my news feed right now for this new movie she has coming out called The Cut with Orlando Bloom. It's all over everywhere. And you know, when you're out doing a movie, you have to do the promotions, you have to do the press junkets. You can't be tied in or locked into ATV show because that kind of limits what you were able to do. Like I think she's working on ATV show now. She's working on a project now that kept her from being at San Diego Comic Con.

37:56 And you know, that's probably, that was probably the last San Diego Comic Con for Outlander because outlanders coming back in early 2026. So there won't be anything after the summer. But you know, I, I really feel like that's one of the reasons why the show is ending because they've got so much going on now. Like you have some talented folks, you kind of kept them to yourselves for a long time. It's not it's time to release them out into the world so that they can be great. Sucks for us, but I really feel like this show is a suitable replacement to to kind of still give us those vibes because again, the characters, these are characters that we are familiar with, just in a different vein. We do know the Diana Gabadon is an executive producer. She has also done some of the I think she's written one or two scripts for a season 1 and I think she's writing some for season 2.

38:55 So she's on board. So and I think also that with Matt and Merrill, they love these characters, they love this world. So I really think that they're going to keep the integrity of these characters for this show. I mean, you can even see it just just the way that the show was introduced, that opening theme. Oh my God, Bear McCreary does it again. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. So yeah, I think this show is AI think it'll be a good replacement or something to kind of, you know, keep us in the Outlander spirit for the next couple of years because I was really depressed. Well, it's like that.

39:39 Thing too is like there's so many, like you said, Easter eggs and just matching up characters and like learning new things that fit into the what we already know from the future. And that just makes it even more interesting because it's just like, oh, I can't wait to see how they get to this point in that point. And you know, it's very, very, very fun. Right. Very fun. It's kind of like in, in, in, in this last season, you know, when Rodger and Buck meet Gaylis and then you realize this is the first time that Gaylis and Dugo meet and you're like. This is where the magic. Happens right right in the back. Yeah.

40:23 So I think it'll be, it's going to be interesting because again, in the in some of the promos before Season 1, you do see that Julia and Ellen interact. And I just want to see how that happens because I'm like, we already feel like Jamie and Claire were meant to be together. I mean, there has to be a reason why she ended up in where she did in 1743 when she went back the first time. And now I think we're kind of getting glimpses that their lives have always kind of been intertwined, which is great. But like Michelle said, I want to see the background. I want to see what happens with Julia Ellen. I want to see if Henry and Brian are going to cross paths, which obviously they probably are. Because if Harlem is saying that Ellen has to be patrolled to Malcolm Grant, I don't think Brian is going to let that sit, even if Ellen has no choice.

41:20 So I'm really interested to see. How they're gonna bring these characters together and what the fallout will be, right? Because we do know they get together. But I'm like, man, there's some really bad odds for you guys. And they eloped. We know that they eloped. So yeah. I said that also like I just, I I didn't wonder also how they're gonna how long they're gonna drag it out before we get to that point of elopement. Like is it going to be like next season? Is it, you know, or is it going to be this seat? Like I'm, I'm eager to know, like what is it going to happen? I I want some. Mayor yeah, I would say that we will probably get that this season because again, they probably filmed this not knowing if it was going to be multiple seasons. I don't know if that was the plan or if they, you know, had just planned on giving us one season. Because again, with Diana Galvadon's books, we know a little bit of the background of the Mackenzie side. We know about Brian and Ellen because Jamie very clearly, he talks about his family all the time. Murta used to talk about them.

42:29 We know almost nothing about Claire's parents except for the fact that they died in a car crash when she was young. I think she was, I want to say she was like maybe 8 or 9, something like that when her parents died. So that's the only thing we ever know about Claire's parents. And I know there have been conversations. I think Michelle and I have had conversations, but they've also been conversations with other fans. And they're like, OK, one of Claire's parents has to be a time traveler in order for her to have it. Not necessarily because it could skip a generation, but that seems the likely thing. But. I never imagined they would tell the story that both of Claire's parents were time travelers. You know I love it, but the only sad part is we know they never make it home.

43:16 Yeah. Right. So that's the part that's really sad, but that also is very like, feel like that's kinda cool because then they raised their chit and however many more kids they might have, we don't know. We don't know. So that's the. Adventures and a whole new life if well, I'm sure they're gonna find each other but like, yeah, excited to know what they did back then yeah, like that maybe that's why like. Yeah. You know how Claire is just really, like, really comfortable with being in the past and how, like, she's was, like, in that episode I just finished, she was like, this is my time. Like, yeah. Because they're asking, would you go back home? Or Ian was asking her, would you go back home if Jamie, you know, really does die this time? And she's like, yeah, this is my time. Yeah.

44:00 And I'm like, there's a reason she feels, 'cause I would not want to stay back. There, right? Right, I want a toilet. I want, yeah. I mean like my I want. Even forget the toilet, I can do without the toilet. I need toilet tissue. I'm not wiping my ass with leaves. I'm just not doing it. Or straw or no, I'm not doing a Guinness and toilet. Tissue something like I need. Yeah, modern thing. Little television too. Can I go back? Oh my God, can. You imagine I can do with I probably could do without television because they have books back then just they do, but then. But then there were some books I read that didn't come out yet, so I had to like what?

44:45 But. This is shocking. Yeah, that, that is true. You can go back home and have more books, right? But then if Julia and Henry stayed in this time, and we already know they are in Scotland because similar to Claire and Frank, they were have, they were on holiday, they were having a good time. They were just, you know, being with each other. And, and this happens. I wonder if at any point we will see an older Julia meet up with Claire. Like, have they seen each other? Have they passed by each other? Because I don't think Julia would look at Claire and be like, oh, yeah, that's my daughter.

45:27 Because you're thinking your daughter's still in the 1900s at this point. Right. You wouldn't. Yeah. And and she's 10. Right. So now you see her wouldn't be woman if you never make it back. And then again, what if they made it back during the time when Claire had gone back? Is is there so many possibilities you could tell with the story like Julia and Henry may have found a way because think about it. Fanny says that their mom died or Fanny and Jane, they say that their mom died and that's how they ended up on the ship. Are we sure that their mom died? Did their mom? Not a traveller. And what if we have a family reunion at the end of our Linda? Oh my God, we just named reunions period. Reunion, reunion, reunion.

46:13 I mean, I would love to see that in the show. I don't know if that's going to happen in in the books because I think Diana Gabaldon is still working on a Ryan and Ellen prequel. She mentioned something about it on her Facebook page. But I know she, I don't think she ever had plans to do anything with Claire's parents. So we needed to know, like we needed the information about, you know, we always thought, OK, really, a car accident is something more than that. Yeah, we knew that. So we now need to tell their adventures, 'cause now they have adventures because they got to figure out how to get home.

46:54 But now. How did they get back there in the 1st place, not just one of them? Two of them. Yeah, so and I mean. It's so good because like he was able to get to the same time as her because he was right solely of her. And that's something an Outlander that they figured out is a thing like think about the person you most wanted to be with and then you touch the stones. And so clearly he went right behind her. That was. Pretty amazing. But then how does she end up at that time? So like, I think she's drawn and that's why Claire's drawn to that time and to that family. Yeah, that's a good question. Because if if Julia goes through, she's not thinking of anything. She's just thinking, OK, so let me see where we are and how we can get home.

47:42 Because they have the, you know, we, we do see the car accident. Their car flips into a river. They, you know, they get swept down and and they're trying to figure out how they're going to get back to their child. And so, yeah, it's kind of like what put her in that particular time? Why would those particular people? And then it it almost makes you kind of think, or at least me. OK, so has this happened before? Like Julia's parents? Was one of Julia's parents a time traveler and ended up like maybe they came from that time period and had her?

48:22 It's, it's just one of those things where now, because we know both of Claire's parents are, are time travelers, there's so many possibilities that we can think of as far as how this started, you know, because Nope, you know, at first we didn't know that Claire's parents were time travelers. Now we know both of her parents are time travelers. So who from their respective sides was the traveller? How did they, you know, did they know they were travellers? Is it something like what happened with them? Like Julia goes back to the past, She's pregnant, Maybe she has the child then because maybe she doesn't think that she can go back. At this point, we don't even know if she knows how she got there or knows that there's a way for her to get back. We don't know because we're not introduced to the couple until towards the end of the episode, so. And we know how it works.

49:19 They don't know how it works so. Right. So we're all going to be on a learning journey with this show, which I'm excited about because again, this opens up so many more possibilities as far as the stories that can be told, not just just, you know, Claire and Jamie's story or Brianna and Rodger's story, but this can go back generations. And there could be a reason why they're they're all just, you know, so tied together. Either way it goes, I'm here for it. I'm here for it. And I like the I like the chemistry that you see between the two couples, you know, especially with Brian and Ellen, because it's one of those things where Ellen is already like everybody is trying to court her.

50:08 Everybody's being introduced to her. They're making their attentions kind of subtly known or kind of obviously known, whatever. She she's the catch of the day. And everybody knows that, oh, your dad's dead. Oh, well, you know, I gave you a compliment. You can't even smile. She's like, I'm in mourning. He was like, but you won't be forever. I was like, oh, dude, you need to exit stage. Wow. Because no, right? Not ever. And then Malcolm Grant, like Malcolm Grant seems sweet, but the first time she you asked her if you could accompany her, she says no. Like, point blank, no. And you're. Well, I should maybe I should just accompany you just in case you fall. No, I'm fine.

50:49 And you keep on, dude. That's probably why she, she got away from you and then went to go do whatever else she was doing. But I like that instead of following her, he was like, yeah, there's no reason for me to stay now let me go home because, dude, she don't want you. You got the picture. Finally. Right, but all of these people who are trying to court her and then when she finally gets away and she's up under the the little thing where she was and Brian is there, she's the one to initiate the conversation. You know, she could have easily looked at him and be like, here's another dude that I don't feel like talking about. But at least she felt like, OK, well, if he's hiding up under here, maybe he's shot, too. Let me just strike up a conversation. And then, of course, they look at each other and their eyes meet and there's magic in there, Sparks. And I was just like, oh, yeah, this is it. It.

51:41 It did feel a lot like Jamie and Claire the first time they met. When she got ready to set that shoulder, It was just like, oh, hey, you're attractive. Oh, hey, I like you. Yeah, because you she had a complete 180. She was just like, yeah, let's talk. Oh, you need to go. Oh, but yes, I'll meet you. And then that little, that little scene with them at the bridge, I was like, this is so cute. Y'all are really trying to make us fall in love. I like the way that, you know, when she comes to meet him at the bridge, they have the whole discussion about her staying on the one side of him staying on the one side.

52:26 He was like, I don't want to, you know, I don't want anybody to question, Your Honor. So the bridge will serve as our chaperone. You stay on that side. I stay on that side. And then as they're talking, she's not paying attention. She's like, I'm going to take a step for it. So he's like, OK, she's taking a step for it. I would take a step for it. And I like this little dance that they do with each other. And then when they find out that their fathers are, like, mortal enemies, it's kind of like, oh, well, that sucks. And then she's the one who actually said she was like, So what can we do? Like, my father hated George. My brothers will not allow this. But this has to happen because she's like, there's going to be consequences.

53:06 Like, I feel like there was no point in her mind where she was like, OK, we can't do this. She was like, damn, he's a Frazier. OK, we don't have to figure this out. Yeah, we bout to do this right. After one meeting, again the whole love at first sight. After one meeting she was like, Yep, I'm about to risk it all. Yep. Everything right. But the, you know, the, the, the, the chemistry between them is so good. And then you think about even the way that they talk about Ellen in the original show, when you get the older version of Brian Fraser, like when he's talking to Rodger about his wife and when he talks to Brianna, when he meets Brianna, he was like, yeah, you put me in the mind of her. And he talks about how much he loved her, how much he missed her and how there's never been anyone else. It's like, you can see it in this in this little meeting. They they play it so well because it does make you believe like, yeah, they Google for, you know, they cuckoo for Cocoa puffs over each other.

54:15 There. There's no fixing this. So now the whole thing about column trying to give her away to Malcolm Grant. This is about to be a problem. This is about to be a problem because we know they end up together. Yep. So now is how is there a fight? Is there a like, does he Stiller? What is what is the situation about to be? Because I'm sorry, Brian seems like he seems like he's gentle in this version, like he's very much he he tries to placate his father when his father's about to do all his horrible stuff. You know, he kind of stands up to his father. He, you know, trying to protect the new maid before her, before his mom came in and everything.

55:01 And of course, when the guys at the at the celebration, they they look at him, they're like, we don't know you, where are you from? And instead of answering, he's like, yeah, let me get, let me, let me go somewhere else because they may end up killing me. Like he doesn't seem like the type who's going to start a fight. But I don't know if Malcolm Grant comes in trying to fight him, I have a feeling he's going to finish that fight. Like Jamie got that bronze from somewhere. So I'm. Starting to think. I feel like he probably doesn't fought Dugu a little time or two. Right. And I feel like he also, I feel like Jamie also got from his mother, to be honest with you. Yeah, I think he does have some of that. I did. I wrote that. I wrote that down like at what?

55:43 While watching, I was like a lot of I think he did get that some little bit from his mom and his also his openness to accept Claire because she was. Yeah, because she was different and and given. As his mom is a different type of woman, so she was going to be a different type of mom. And so especially. Since Jenny was the oldest, so she probably, she probably mimicked a lot of what her dad did with her with Jenny. That's one of the reasons why Jenny is so, so outgoing. So you know. Right. So then so he's so he's used to women being. Outspoken and strong and outspoken and not the what is it the not the meek and obedient type, as Claire says, because that that's what he's used to, you know? Yeah.

56:41 But yeah, I watching this episode, I did very much feel like I did the first time I watched Outlander. I still think Outlander is a different, it's a whole different beast. But again, this is only the first episode. So we don't know how this is going to be, how big it's going to be or how much it's going to, you know, capture the viewers at, you know, is it going to capture the viewers as much as the regular Show did? But I think I saw, I saw someone comment in the Sassenet Sisterhood group. That's the local group that Michelle and I both belong to. And she stated that she actually likes blood of my blood better than Outlander, but she also realizes that blood of my blood could not be great without Outlander having come first. It's almost like, OK, well, this is what we did with the first episode of Outlander.

57:43 And maybe years later they could say, oh, well, we could have done this different. We could have done this different. But because they have that knowledge, they did better with the first episode of Blood in my blood. I don't think that's the case because again, outlanders, that first episode is one of those episodes that I will watch over and over. I think I, I, I can't even tell you how many times I've watched that first episode, but it is one of those episodes that when you finally start watching it, it draws you in, it sucks you in and it keeps you there. And I think this show is going to do the same, especially with the cast of characters is so freaking amazing. I just yeah.

58:25 And Dougal just, you know, his old. What was it that somebody said they were like when No, that was Lord Lovett. I think he said he was like, I don't think they'll give it to the the cripple, but I also don't think they'll give it to the one who, you know, who spreads his cock everywhere. Basically do do the howl. He's a howl in in our terms, But I mean, it is what it is that that's a nice that's a nice looking man. So. I'm here. I just seen Henry. Oh, fights. Now you're noticing. That's Henry.

59:06 Henry yeah, I I know this term. Once I figured out that was her, but now I'm like re looking at him like oh, Henry, he was in the fight. He was in the fight, playing the state. Yeah, but even before, when they entered, when they introduced him, I was like, that's Claire's father. So. OK, so both of them are already in this time. And when Ned Gowen starts talking to him and he was like, oh, you're English. I was like, Yep, that's him. I totally missed that. That's OK. I think that was probably designed that way on purpose because. Because you wouldn't figure they would be there, Yeah. Yeah, and then if you are one of those people who avoids all of the pre show stuff, then you probably wouldn't have known what they look like except for in the trailer. And they're you know, they're such the the clips are so quick in the trailer that I don't think anybody would have looked and be like, oh, that's clear as that. Because why would you think that they're in the 70s? I just thought he was different.

1:00:08 I was like, OK, he's a little. He doesn't seem like them, but I wasn't thinking. That they were there. Right until I definitely bought her. Later and I was like, oh, that's wait a minute. I didn't even certainly her. Yeah, I. Didn't remember nothing about her the homemade thing. And then him. I should have definitely 'cause he was not even he wasn't even different. Like at least she had like hair tied back. He he's, you know, he just looked like himself and stood out from others. So might. Yeah, yeah. Because he has the he didn't show hair. He doesn't have the long. I was like when I went back and I was like, message Hannah Co.

1:00:49 And I was like. Yeah, she was like, I didn't realize that was her Pinterest. Yeah. So, yeah. So let's see. I don't think, I don't really think we need to talk about anything else in this episode. I mean, I like, I like the fact that they did the flashback so we could kind of see Ellen's relationship with her dad. And again, you don't really see her interact. I think Dougal is the one that she has the least interaction with in this episode, which I think what kind of makes sense because Dougal seems like he would be the one that she would be like, I can't stand him.

1:01:30 I don't want to talk to him like that's my little brother. But no, cuz Dougal thinks he knows better than everybody even in this whole this whole conversation he and Column are having throughout the episode about which one of them will be the better layer. Like Column is being so calm and Dougal is just being insulting. The fact that he was like, oh you can't even stand. I was like, because you think about the way Dougal was when Column died, that whole confession and how he was upset with Column because when Column fell and, you know, he, he damaged his legs. He was like, you know, you were my Big Brother. You were supposed to be strong and then you were weak.

1:02:10 And I didn't know how to take that. And I was angry. And then Column just kind of, you know, committed suicide in the middle of this whole speech and how heartbroken he was. You you wouldn't think that looking at this conversation that they're having in this episode, because they very clearly detest each other. Right. Right. I was just like, oh, that's like, you are so mean talking about his cricket legs and how he's not a man, how he's not man enough. And but I was like, OK, this is going to be interesting to see how it is that Colin becomes layered, how Dougal becomes war chief. Because even when when Colin and Ellen were talking and Ellen was like, you know, if Dougal gets it, you're going to have to leave, it was like, yeah, I'm going to be put out or I'm going to be seeing our father again much sooner than I anticipated.

1:03:05 Like y'all are so calm talking about the fact that your brother wants to murder you is. Well, you know, they know. They knew. Yeah. They knew him well enough to know he was horrible. Like, yeah, that is wild though. It is. It is wild. Y'all are getting open. Ned is like, well, you do know you're antagonizing him and you just sent him on the fools there. Oh well, well, you know, kill two birds with one. Stop What? Right 'cause a problem. I do wonder, did he do it more so so that people will see that Dugo was a Neanderthal or did he do it hoping the Dugo will die? I would say probably the first option.

1:03:49 I don't think he really wants Dougal dead. I think he probably was more interested in humbling Dougal and maybe humiliating him just a little bit, you know, because Dougal obviously has no problems humiliating him. So, you know, maybe just. And to show that he's a hot head, that he shouldn't really be in charge. Right. What he do to the clan? Right. Because when when they talk about what happens, you know, Ellen, of course, when she takes off to go meet Brian, nobody knows where she is. And they think, you know, the, the missus, Missus Fitzgibbons thinks, oh, well, you know, the last time we saw her, she was with Malcolm Grant. So of course Dougal goes to find Malcolm Grant, beats him up before you even look to see if she's there. You just She wasn't even.

1:04:42 There. You just throwing fish and that guy 1 is like, yeah, so the clan chiefs have already heard and the ones who haven't, they will hear. So obviously if you're warning Dougal about this, you already know the clan chiefs are not happy with this because now you've put them all in danger because what was it? They said the Grants have a 300 man army. Yep. Yeah, this is this is not a good thing. And you're just and you're just going based off really gossip you. Don't. Not even good gossip. Right. Just a I'm not sure, but people saw her walking off with Malcolm Grant, and now Malcolm Grant is gone. But you go and you just start beating the man up without checking.

1:05:35 You could have at least. Told him hey, look at the wagon. Yeah, but you know what? Dougan was looking for a reason to whoop somebody's ass. That's all it was. Yeah. Because I think even if Ellen wasn't in the wagon, he was. He was just looking for a reason to fight. And that whole thing before when they were talking, they were like, oh, well, especially with column. Oh, so can we get some recompense if he actually, like, if he's raped her and stuff? Yeah. Excuse me? Or she just went off and she, you know, he's laying with her. First of all, do you even know your sister? Because I can guarantee you if you knew your sister, you know that would not happen. I have a feeling Ellen would have fought him off. And again, Malcolm Grant does not look like he's the type to fight.

1:06:19 Now, Arch bug might be different, but yeah, when when they started having those conversations about, oh, yeah, well, if he raped her, we can kill him or, oh, if he raped her, can we get some recompense? And that guy was like, yeah, and it'll be kind of profitable, but but do we really want that to happen? Ned is just like, whatever is about to get me lair. And I was like, OK, so this is going to be the part that makes me not like you because y'all are so stuck on who's about to be there that y'all are willing to throw anybody under the bus. And again, I have to remind myself it's 1700s, seventeen hundreds, 1700s.

1:06:59 They have no, no compassion for their siblings. They have no it, it isn't about, oh, this is my sister. I'm going to protect her regardless. No, y'all protect her as far as it goes. You know, if it's threatening your pride, if it's threatening your name but threatening her person? Nah. You know what? We could just get record recompense for that. You. How crazy is that? Yeah, but you can just. OK. What? Did he pay if he takes my? Would you say, Dana? Yeah, I was just laughing at that. Like can we get paid if he takes my sister's virginity or? Like the nerve, the nerve.

1:07:48 Anyway, what are you guys looking forward to in this season? What is the one thing that you want them to to talk about, to explain story wise or character wise? What are you looking forward to? I kinda, OK, so I, I was wondering about this because I was thinking back to the first season, the Outlander and when Claire doesn't realize she's putting her foot in her mouth when she's talking to Dougal and Column about the little boy being Column's son and all this stuff, because it's clear that he has not been able to reproduce. And then that's Dougal's son and everybody's like, girl, shut your mouth. Like you don't say it the wrong thing. So that kid was probably what?

1:08:30 8. He might have been about, I don't know, like. Yeah. And so that means that all that time he was lair, he did not have an offspring until that kid came along. Right. And so I just want to know, like, is there a certain point where they're just, like, struggling him with Leticia and they're just like, she just like, I'm not getting pregnant. And then was they blaming it on Leticia or was they blaming him on columns, you know, handicap? Like what? You know, what was that like? Because, you know, back in them days, you weren't producing no babies. Something was wrong, but that's why I kind of wonder because like he must have realized it was on him because wouldn't he would have probably gotten rid of her right? Like if she just didn't produce him the air as a layer you. Know.

1:09:16 I just I want to know about that thing. Yeah, because I also kind of wondered. I was like, OK, so was this a situation where I almost feel like it would have been a situation where Duga would have tried to seduce her just out of pettiness and she ended up pregnant and column was just like, OK, well, I'm just going to claim him as my child because the way the way that he had the conversation when when Dougal told him that Galas was pregnant and he was like, she's pregnant, she's carrying my child. He said, you mean she's carrying Arthur Duncan's child. He was like, that child is Arthur's child, just like Column is, I mean, just like Hamish is my child.

1:09:56 And I was like, so was this in a fair situation or was it just one of those where, like you said, when he realized he wasn't he wasn't producing, was that he didn't brother to stand in? Yeah, but I kind of feel like it might be the Bible. Like it it. Might be. I'm thinking he was like, I need you to come do this. Yeah, I got to prove that I can do this as a lair. You got to do this for me, brother. You don't do nothing else. Right. That's the whole like Bible verse about like raise kids unto me and, you know, having the brother fill in when the brother could, you know. Yeah, so he he probably asked his brother to fill in. Yeah.

1:10:44 But you know, the other thing that I remember, if I remember correctly, I think I saw somewhere call him at the time that we meet him. And now I got to go back and look at timelines and birthdays. I think he was only in his 40s when we met them in Season 1. He wasn't very old. That's so hard to imagine. I know. I know because they made him look older. But yeah, but I yeah, but that's because of all that partying. You had him a good time. Yeah. Yeah. Michelle, these are looking forward to. Are you saying what Murtagh story? No, I need the code.

1:11:31 Yeah. What happened to this man, Right, Right. And it can't be heartbreak. It can't be. I wonder with him being like on both sides, Mackenzie and Fraser, Fraser was that very stressful and hard for him to have to like navigate both sides? Yeah, Yeah. I think for me, I think I mentioned it earlier, I, I want to kind of see what the repercussions are of Julia and Ellen meeting and whether or not that's going to be, whether that's going to be a deciding factor in how Brian and Ellen's relationship moves forward. And then also just I need to know if I. I need to know if her and Henry get back together and I don't want to wait until next season to find this out that that part. So that's what I but I do think I do think it it was important for them to come back to this time. So it is probably to help that couple get together. Yeah, if they come back, that's the thing. About Jamie and Claire, like every time they were separated I was like, please do not give me a whole season of them not being together again because what was that? The third.

1:12:49 Season fourth season and it was that was hard enough because that was half a season. Like excuse me, please stop this, please stop this. I hate all of this. Like why are we doing this? Like I don't want to see them together. I mean, I mean, it was important for the story, but still, no, let's not do this again. I don't want to see them end up with other people. I don't want no, I just I need them to get back together and and figure out what's going on. So but we will be discussing this show and we will have Dina back on as many times as she wants to discuss. Blood of My Blood Dragon is also coming up and we will be doing a Blood of My Blood panel at Dragon Con that I will be moderating.

1:13:38 I will post more information on that probably over the weekend as soon as schedules get finalized. But unless you guys have any last thoughts about episode 1 of Blood of My Blood, Dina tell everyone where they can find you online. So you can find me and my crazy hubby on Drunken flirty on YouTube. We have a few other socials but mainly YouTube is like the main area where our videos are. We have a ton of videos we haven't recorded lately but they're out there. Go join, join the craziness and go watch guys.

1:14:21 Yep, and I will post the link to Drunk and Blurty in the show notes for this episode. But for now, that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid. You can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, you can chat with us on our Discord channel, and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening. We hope you join the conversation next time.