Outlander: Blood of My Blood (Season 1 Episode 2) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #371

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and Dina, and we
are discussing episode 2 of

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Outlander, Blood of My Blood.
And this episode gives us the

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background of Claire's parents,
which is very interesting

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because as book readers or as
fans of the original show, we

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really have no background
whatsoever about Claire's

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parents except for the fact that
they married.

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They died in a car accident when
she was 5, and we know that her

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dad had a brother who raised
her.

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So we're getting some in new
information, which I thought was

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great.
I love the way that this episode

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took place because of course,
with it being Claire's parents

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and with it, you know, we're
finding out that they're time

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travelers.
This episode is a little bit of

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a little bit chaotic because
they're going back and forth.

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They're not telling the story in
a linear fashion like we're used

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to with let's say the
Mckenzie's.

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But how did you guys feel about
the second episode of this

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series?
Are you still feeling the high

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from episode 1?
Are you still like All In?

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Has anything changed?
What do you think?

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For this one, I think this one
was just really romantic.

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It was sad and it was
heartbreaking and beautiful.

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It just had like all the romance
you can just stand about like

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how they fell and looks.
I mean, it this like, you know,

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I hate to compare it to this,
but it's like, look, what is it

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with love without?
Oh, God, what is the name of

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that show for love at first
sight or without sight, whatever

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that show is where you just, you
love is blind.

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Love is blind.
Yeah.

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That show like you have to get
to know the person.

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You have to like, they have to
like write it all out.

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And you got to like get to know
all from that.

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It's not about looks.
It's not about they didn't know

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anything really about each other
other than what they got in

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those letters to fall in love.
And that's so, so something so

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romantic about that and
something so beautiful that they

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just, you know, had this.
It was very 'cause The thing is,

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like, obviously when Ellen and
Brian see each other, it's like

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love at first sight, for real.
Like, bam, she's hot, she's

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beautiful, whatever.
They're both, you know, But with

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Henry and Julia, it's a whole
different type of falling in

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love.
And I loved it.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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I I totally agree.
Yeah, it's so different because

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they actually just really got to
know each other and it was at

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the lowest point of his life.
And the letters back and forth

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and then him figuring out it's
her just from probably

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description in the letters or
how he imagined her to be.

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And like they fell in love
without even seeing each other

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and touching each other.
I, I loved it for that.

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That's why I called it the lake
house.

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But I love the lake house.
So it was out.

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It was great.
Yeah, I, I thought that the way

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that they started the episode,
you know, with Henry, like in

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the midst of the First World
War.

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You know, one thing that we know
is true of Outlander.

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Outlander you know, as good as
the story is, it is rooted in a

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lot of violence.
And you even see that kind of

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sort of with the the first
episode, not necessarily

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violence, but I mean, we start
the whole series off with the

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death of Red Jacob.
So you know that there's always

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going to be heartbreak
associated with this story.

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And just to see Henry go through
what he goes through, not only

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on the field, but even when he
comes back, when he does return

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and after they've got married,
to see him go through his PTSDI.

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Think Dina and I messaging each
other.

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We were both like, Oh my God, I
cried because he was like, it

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felt so real the way that he
played that.

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But yeah, I loved seeing their
story as far as them falling in

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love through the letters because
again, they didn't have like

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social media, they didn't have
phones or they didn't have that

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kind of contact.
You know, Julia even makes a a

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statement about she doesn't even
know what his voice sounds like.

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But the silence is deafening
when, you know, they're when his

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regiment had been attacked and
she didn't know if he was dead

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or alive.
And I just thought that was so

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sweet because I've, you know,
you read stories like that or

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even could personally have, you
know, had experiences like that.

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And it's something about the way
that they play it.

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It's so believable.
And it also for me, I felt like,

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OK, this does seem like one of
those stories where it almost

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feels like the universe is
pulling them together because

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Julia works at the redaction
office, which I didn't even know

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was really a thing.
Like, I, I remember hearing

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that, but you don't really think
about like, what does it mean to

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work in a redaction office?
And they basically go through

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all of the letters that are sent
and they take out anything that

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can give away where their
locations are or even anything

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that's really unpleasant because
these letters are going to their

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family members.
And I guess, I don't know, maybe

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the thought is the family
members are already stressed and

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probably already worried because
they're people are at war, so

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they don't want to give them
anything else to worry about.

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But it's spice.
Well, Oh yes, I'm sorry,

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location and that too can't.
Know any location and what's

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happening in that location?
Yeah, that too.

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But it took me a minute though,
too, 'cause I was like, So what,

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they marking off?
Well, don't mark off the whole

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leather.
That don't seem right.

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And then I realized always
places, the locations.

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Oh yeah, I get it.
'Cause I even paused one of the

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letters that Julia did and I was
like, I don't see what's so bad

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about that.
But again, I'm not living in 19

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early 1900s so it it wouldn't
strike me as weird.

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I did wonder if they redacted
and then had somebody just

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rewrite it without that
information like they this is

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what I want you to take out of
the letter, rewrite it so that

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this has never been in the later
and then somebody else send it

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off or they just send it
redacted because that's so

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messed up to get your.
Letter and it's black, black,

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black, black.
Black.

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OK, but I think it would be even
worse to get a letter that you

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know comes from your other one,
but it's not written by them.

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So yeah, that's true.
And again back then.

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And it makes no sense.
They probably understood too,

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like, OK, there's some things
that, you know, they're probably

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checking all the mail that this
is, you know, they don't really

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put a high price on privacy in
in those times.

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So they they probably didn't
even think about it.

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But you know, so she happens to,
she's answering letters and as

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she's going to reach for one,
something kind of pulls her to

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the letter that's at the bottom.
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Henry's letter.
And he's writing an open letter,

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not to anyone in particular
because at this point in the

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war, he's kind of despairing.
He just lost one of his

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soldiers.
And he's like, what is the whole

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point?
Why am I even here?

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All I see is death and
destruction around me.

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And it's just like, it's hard to
have the, you know, the strength

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of the the will to go on.
And she feels compelled to write

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back to the letter.
And thus starts their

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correspondence.
And I just thought it was so

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beautiful because like I said,
you see it and it almost looks

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like something is pulling her
towards his letter.

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And then later on when she's
full of despair and she thinks

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that, you know, she doesn't know
what's happening to him and

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she's just kind of taking this
slow walk home.

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And I don't know if it's because
he knew the area that she, you

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know, that she lived in and that
she worked in.

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And maybe he was going through
that area hoping to find her.

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But it's almost, again, like
something just kind of draws him

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towards this woman.
He's just like, hope springs

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eternal.
She turns around.

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She's like, what Henry?
And I just thought it was.

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I thought it was so sweet
because, you know, they kind of

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go through this whirlwind
romance.

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If you're looking at the
timeline, which Michelle and I,

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we always, we're always talking
about timelines because we deal

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with The Walking Dead.
But in this timeline, we can

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kind of get an idea of where
they are in years because of

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course this is for First World
War, which started in 1914.

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And Julia's boss says something
about you would think that after

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three years I would have gotten
used to this.

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So that puts it right around
1917 as far as when they start

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corresponding, when they meet.
We know that Claire was born in

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1918 from the original show when
when Murta learns the truth so

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well, not just them, but also
when she tells Jamie the truth

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about her.
So this is a very quick

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courtship, OK, probably, they
probably corresponded over the

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months.
And then he gets his leave and

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it looks like why he's on his
leave.

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He was like, yeah, we're going
to go ahead and take care of

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this marriage thing because I'm
not about to to lose you or

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anything like that, lose you to
any Scotland men or whatever the

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case may be.
Yeah.

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And not to mention, like, you
just never know what was going

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to happen.
So he could die at any moment or

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they could bomb London, right?
You know, So like, it could be

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anything to happen.
It's very, very scary.

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Yeah.
And, you know, for those of us

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who are living in these times,
you know, we've seen war in our

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lifetime, but we've never seen
it on, you know, in our

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backyard.
Like, I've never had to walk out

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my door and worry about whether
or not we're going to get

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aerated or whether anything.
Like, we've been lucky in that

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sense.
I can't imagine you just sitting

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in your flat, minding your own
business, painting a portrait,

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and you hear these airplanes and
you go and look, and there's all

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these aircraft now.
I would have looked at that and

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I would have immediately been
finding a shelter because I'm

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like, they're a little too low
to be flying in the air.

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Like, but yeah, I mean, just
minding your own business and

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all of a sudden you're in the
middle of air raid.

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Just no.
So like you say, yeah, it's time

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for us to get married.
Let's just go ahead and not

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leave this to chance because I
may go back overseas and never

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get to come back, you know, or
even with her, I might just stay

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here and something can happen.
But then it's like we get them

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married.
And then like we said, we see

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the little post traumatic stress
that he deals with from the gas

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bombing that he experienced
earlier.

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And then it moves forward in the
story to where we see Julia wake

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up at the stones.
And I was like, what we get

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here?
And I forgot that we saw the

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accident.
In the.

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Last episode, so I was like, OK,
so this is going to kind of I

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feel like they're going to kind
of push and pull us with these

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characters because that's kind
of the nature of Claire's whole

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side of the family.
I guess their story is kind of

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like they're they're back and
forth between two timelines.

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So it's kind of like.
But the the the most their love

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story is so sad.
It's beautiful, but sad.

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It's beautiful in that they
found each other during dramatic

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time.
It's beautiful that they have a

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very deep connection.
It's beautiful that they both

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travel.
I got AI got a a a little plot

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hole.
Not plot hole, but like

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technical issue with the
traveling.

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OK, what's that?
Come back to that in just a

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second.
And that that two travelers got

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together.
And then the worst part of it,

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because we've been in the future
and the past, They never made it

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home and that's absolutely
sucked.

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So the only hope that we have
for this couple is that they can

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get back together.
At least as far as we know, they

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never made it home.
Well, for Claire point of view,

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they never made it home.
Yeah, yeah.

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They, you know, honestly, they
she grew up without her parents.

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They didn't see her.
So even if they come home now

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and they're in there and they're
they're in their 30s and she 80,

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I don't know.
That may work.

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However, it's that that part is
so clear after watching this.

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No, they didn't die of a car
crash.

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They traveled, but they never
made it back to their baby.

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That's hard.
And my little plot hole is OK.

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So she had a stone.
Where was his stone?

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Must have missed a stone
somewhere.

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If he.
Had a kidney stone.

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I mean, what kind of stone?
I mean, he isn't a stone.

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I'm trying to remember.
Cause the stone was out of her

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ring.
Right.

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And I, I, I don't think I think
he he may have only had on a.

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Plane, which is a could be an
important thing because they do

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know that you have to have a
stone and they showed her ring

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without the stone.
So then I start to question

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something else, maybe about him
it's a little different.

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Could he travel without stones?
You know.

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But we'll learn more.
Yeah, 'cause I'm going to say

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it.
It, it is possible that there

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are more than one way that that
there are more ways to travel

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because we know this from Galen
Gayla's Duncan and her research.

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Because she was like, OK, you
either need a gym or you need

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blood, you know, and it's like
that's, that's what she did in

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order to travel when she went
back to the 1700s, she

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sacrificed her husband.
So it's possible there just.

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Go get a ring.
That would have been much like

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easier.
You had a choice, a stone or

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kill someone and you chose to
kill someone that really failed

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her.
Did you meet?

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Her.
I did.

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But when you put it like that,
either way, when we watch the

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show, I don't think about it.
But when you put it like that,

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you're like, ma'am, just get a
stone.

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But yeah, we don't know.
We don't know.

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I just found it interesting
'cause like once he travels, I

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wonder how he traveled.
He just had a proclivity for

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killing when you really think
about galas though.

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Honestly, yeah, she did.
She used to like that, yeah.

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She was like the original Black
Widow, Yeah.

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Just but and then you don't and
it could be connection wise too,

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you don't know.
It could be like like they were

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supposed to be together.
She got pulled and then he got

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pulled with.
Her because it's true, but it's

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so crazy to me that he literally
went up the hill not minutes

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after she disappeared and it
seemed like there was such a big

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gap from when she arrived to
when he arrived, you know,

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because she had time to look
around, call around for him,

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have a whole conversation with
the people in the cart that

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ended up taking her to
Inverness.

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But that was the thing that kind
of confused me about the whole

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thing because I'm like, how long
did it take?

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Like, I don't know if maybe for
him, maybe there was a pool of

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her, but there was also a pool
of Claire.

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So maybe it took longer for him
because his, I don't know, the

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whatever the forces that may be
in the stones was trying to

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figure out where he was going to
go, but.

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It's also a just a delight
because if we watch other stuff

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about time traveling, someone
goes through, there is a it is a

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delight.
Sometimes the delay is longer

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than you want it to be.
A day, 2 days, this could have

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just been an hour.
If they went together, they will

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be together going separate.
They least came to the same

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time.
But it just you know, they don't

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have the pillars, don't have a
watch.

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So they shot him out and it was
an hour later, so.

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Yeah, and this is my thing,
Julie.

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You could have sat there and
just waited.

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You could have been like, you
know what, maybe he went to go

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get help.
I mean, I know when you come out

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the stones, the the surroundings
look a little different.

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Things are a little bit more
green that you're then you're

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used to.
But I will say this too, as far

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as Julia and Henry or I would
say even more so Henry.

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And I don't know if it's because
of the fact that Henry is used

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to seeing trauma, that he's used
to things kind of not looking in

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place, but that's just it to
where they are basically quickly

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and fairly well, considering
that you just jumped 200 years

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into the past and you're trying
to figure out what the hell is

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going on.
Yeah.

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Like Julia had a little bit more
of a hers was a little bit more

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traumatic because of her course,
her being a woman, she's treated

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differently.
Like these people just saw her

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on the side of the street,
knocked her out and and sold her

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to pay.
Their debt like.

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I was sitting here and again, I
have to keep telling myself 17

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hundreds, 1700s, but that means
even the other people in the

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neighborhood.
Nobody actually is like cared.

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The you just kidnapped me and
just sold me off.

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I'm a married woman.
I'm telling you, I got a husband

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and I'm looking for and you just
sold me off and don't care.

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And they didn't care that you
just snatched me off the road.

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Right, because you're sitting
there telling I'm not a maid

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servant like I'm like I'm Julia
Morrison or Julia Beecham of

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learning.
He was like, well, Nope, you're

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Julia Beecham.
That belongs to Lord Simon

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Lovitz.
What?

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I just that threw me off at a
different time.

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But still even the neighbors
like you can't go out and walk

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to the market it because you may
get kidnapped to be so as

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someone's right to pay for
someone's debt the.

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Whole thing is just so, so weird
and and here's the other crazy

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thing.
So you are in the 1700s and you

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see this stray woman or you see
this stray man, y'all not

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looking at the way they're
dressed and thinking something

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suspicious about them, right?
It just seems very, it's a

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little too clean if you ask me.
I think that's probably the only

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issue I may have with this
version of events because

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there's no suspicion there.
Like, this woman is clearly

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dressed in a way that the other
women are not dressed in this

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time period.
Her hair is loose.

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It's not bound.
She has on a little bit of

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makeup.
It's just there's some things

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there that don't add up if
you're in the 1700s, you know?

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And it was thanks to like with
Henry, even like Henry's suit

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and like what he's wearing and
they're just like, whatever.

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And even the the manner of
speech, like, yes, they're

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they're Sassanix, they're
they're they're England, you

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know, they're from England.
But still just the the cadence

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of their voice, the way that
they speak, the way that they

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pronounce words as opposed to
the way the Scots do it there.

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There's just something a little
different about them.

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And it's like, OK, yeah, you
guys are from England, but

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there's something still strange
about you.

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But nobody seems to question it.
You know, Lord Lovett is just

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like, oh, well, you know, I got
to think about my needs.

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I need a new.
I need a new piece of ass or

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something.
I mean, it's literally the way

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he comes across.
When Brian tries to says we

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still get the Connors coin.
We've seen another person.

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He was like, why do you say
that?

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He was like, Dad, the house
falling apart.

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The Connors are almost empty.
Like, we broke.

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And Lord Lovett is like but I'm
horny so that Trump's it all.

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What?
Got to got to keep the coochie

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train going.
Just like you know it and you

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know, like when we meet the old
Fox's character in the original

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show, he really was an ass.
He really was one of those

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characters that you were like, I
don't understand how you have

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children.
Which once I watched it, I was

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like, oh, that's how you have
children.

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But it's just like, he is a
horrible, horrible man.

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And as much as I love Tony
Curran as an actor, I'm like,

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I'm never going to be able to
look at you the same again

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'cause you play such a
despicable character.

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It's not the first time he's
played a character that I

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couldn't stand.
But to this degree, it's just

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like.
And he treats Ryan horribly,

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right?
And it's like, how do you and,

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and I, I guess all credit has to
go to to his mother, who, you

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know, we know that that's his
mother, but I don't think he's

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said anything yet in this
episode to to, you know, make us

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know that that's his mother.
But how did you raise such a

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decent son?
Because obviously, even even

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what we know Brian Fraser from
the Outlander series, the books,

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and just like he was a good,
decent man.

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Yeah.
Because he saw.

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Fell way.
Yeah, he saw his dad and was

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like, I'm disgusted, right?
Totally gonna be the opposite.

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Right.
But I guess you know, back in

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that time, you know a Lord who
claims you as his bastard son.

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That's better than being
ignored.

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Well, that's what I was
thinking.

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It's like Willy Wonka talking to
Charlie and Charlie and

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Chocolate Factory.
You're just happy to be here

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because you broke you poor, and
just being here was enough for

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you.
You didn't even need to get

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inherit anything.
Just being able to have this

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experience was just enough for
you.

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And I feel like Brian was
grateful because his Mama had a

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job.
She didn't get sent away.

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He's been taking care of his
whole life.

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His daddy's crappy, but you know
what?

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He he, he, he got a place to
lie.

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He's he's content.
Yeah, with his life.

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I mean, obviously he would
prefer, you know, his dad be a

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better person, but, you know,
and then he has murder.

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Murder is there to like, you
know, so.

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Kind of bear bear some of that
because you know, even thinking

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about it in the first episode,
the way he talks to Murta is

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even, you know, I don't know, I
feel like he I was going to say,

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I feel like he respects Merta
more, but that's not really what

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I want to say because I don't
think it's bad, but it's like, I

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don't know, something about the
way that he treats the both of

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them is like, and it could also
be because Merta doesn't talk

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back.
Merta is just like, again, Merta

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is a ward in his house.
So he's like, look, I got food.

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I can come and go as I please
for the most part.

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All I got to do is oh, you want
me to go to this funeral and

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spy?
OK, you know what I really don't

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want to do it and I'm telling
you I don't want to do it but OK

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I'll do it.
You know cuz what I'm kissing

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blood.
So he probably feeling like let

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me shut the hell up, right?
He's like, OK, I'm walking this

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fine line in between 2 worlds
but OK, I'm going to go spy for

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you.
But I'm not letting you know I'm

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spying for you.
I'm going to see my auntie.

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You know, we have a little bit
of, I guess a little more

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freedom than Brian in that way.
But I, you know, Brian does

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stand up to him.
It may not always take, but at

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least we know Brian is not just
sitting around just letting

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things lie.
Like even with this one, when he

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sees Julia and all this stuff,
he's like, yo, let's go get us,

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let's go get that coin.
Because obviously she don't want

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to be here.
Obviously she probably shouldn't

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be here.
And I think that's one of the

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things Brian was kind of looking
like, wait, he's assessing the

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situation, you know, from the
background, like, OK, so these

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people just gave her to us.
Something about that doesn't

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seem right, but.
Where did you find this puppy?

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Right, like how you just give
people away.

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But I forgot we black.
We know what that's like.

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So you know, it's just kind of
like, oh, OK, they've always

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done this.
But yeah, that dude is just, he

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is disgusting.
And then on the other side of

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things, you have, like I said,
Henry has it a little bit

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easier.
He's not a woman.

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So it's not like somebody's
going to knock him out and sell

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him to anybody.
But he's going to have to make

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his own way because he is a man
in a very manly world.

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Like Scottish men, especially of
that time, they're very much,

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you know, macho man, They're
alpha man.

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They're very, very much, oh, who
are you?

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Oh, we don't like you.
We're just going to kick your

446
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,400
ass and be done with you.
Which almost happens to him.

447
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,480
Yeah, right.
But he can fight.

448
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:06,800
He can fight.
He.

449
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,360
Was also most almost thrown in
that.

450
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,400
Wheel.
So yeah, you need to watch his

451
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,720
words.
Yeah, yeah, but that's the other

452
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,720
thing because I don't even know
like I know when he walked into

453
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,720
the pub and he starts looking
around and he sees that

454
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,200
declaration on the wall that
says 1714.

455
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,520
He's just like, I mean, you even
see it on his face.

456
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,960
He's like, what the hell?
OK, look, it's a.

457
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,840
Reenactment.
A real reenactment.

458
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,480
Right.
But then when you open your

459
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,720
mouth and you say something to
everybody's like hold up and you

460
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,040
see swords, that should have
been your first clue because one

461
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,280
again, you're looking at the
people, they're not dressed like

462
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,160
you at all.
And I will go so far as to say,

463
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,760
OK, maybe this is just in his
mind, like, oh, OK, you know

464
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,480
what?
I did tell Julia I've never been

465
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,800
to Scotland.
I don't know what they're

466
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,040
dressed like in Scotland.
So maybe that that could explain

467
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,120
it for him and be like, OK, so
they're dressed a little

468
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:02,360
differently here, OK.
But then when you see how

469
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:05,680
they're paying for for the
drinks, when you see the

470
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,120
conversation that's happening
and you see the swords on their

471
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:13,880
hips, that should have been a
dead giveaway because I don't

472
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,120
think anybody was carrying
swords and nights in 1900s like

473
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,920
that.
And you know, they probably saw

474
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,400
pictures and textbooks at that
point, like they grew up

475
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,000
probably seeing what a
Highlander looked like in a

476
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,080
book, like something should have
clicked.

477
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:34,440
Like, yeah, but then, you know,
he makes the he makes a comment

478
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,320
to who we find out later as
Malcolm Grant, because they are

479
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,320
in the pub and they're they're
negotiating over some land.

480
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,400
And Malcolm's guy who's with
him, he was like, yeah, I think

481
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,200
this is a good deal they're
offering you.

482
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,080
And Harry just says, yeah, I
hope they brought those D's.

483
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,320
And everybody stops and they're
like, what the hell you say?

484
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,320
And he's just looking like, oh,
maybe I stuck my foot in my

485
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,280
mouth.
Like that's I think at the point

486
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,240
where he started realizing, OK,
I'm not in Kansas anymore.

487
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,400
What is going on?
They get ready to throw him down

488
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:17,760
the well because he's basically
thwarting a shady deal.

489
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,080
But Malcolm Grant is like, OK,
So what you just told me, let's

490
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,240
go talk to my father.
Tell my father what you said,

491
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,400
and then we'll we'll come back
and visit this.

492
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,920
So he goes to meet the older
Isaac, the older Grant Isaac.

493
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,680
And he's like, yeah.
So basically they were trying

494
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,720
to, you know, they were trying
to scam your son out of some

495
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,480
some land.
And this is how you know, and

496
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,680
this is what you're supposed to
do.

497
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,000
So then he turns around and
tells him because he wants to,

498
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,080
he just wants to leave.
And they're like, OK, but so how

499
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,440
do you know this was taking
place?

500
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,240
He was like, oh, yeah, I saw
your man over there.

501
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,600
Your man was taking some coin,
you know, to kind of to kind of

502
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,000
betray him.
And then that's when I realized

503
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,160
that the skinny dude was arch.
Bug.

504
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,200
Arch bug.
Oh yeah.

505
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Because the even the way like 1
I saw the ponytail and I was

506
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,880
like, wait, grants, grants.
Oh, that's who that is.

507
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,840
When they realized that the guy
did have extra coin and he told

508
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,400
him to take him in the back and
handle them and you hear the

509
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,360
beating up and stuff.
I was like, yeah, that's

510
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,920
probably that's arch book.
Because of course we met his

511
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,560
character.
He's already old.

512
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,960
He's already missing his two
fingers, and we don't see him

513
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,160
doing a lot of fighting.
Like we know he will stand up

514
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,320
for at the time, the Frasers if
he needed to.

515
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,600
But I was like, yeah, this is
the arch bug that made us afraid

516
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,280
for Ian because we saw he had
that potential in him.

517
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,440
Just the way that he kind of
made that threat to end after

518
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,200
Medina was was killed.
Yeah, you're seeing it in its

519
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:02,040
full prime form right here.
I was like, OK.

520
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,400
Yeah, he goes down there doing
the dirt.

521
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,080
Right.
And you, we're just thinking

522
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,280
that he's just beating them up a
little bit.

523
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,160
Then they give Henry the option.
They're like, OK, so now we need

524
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,400
a new blade here and we need
somebody.

525
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,080
And we need somebody who's
smart, who knows what he's

526
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,880
talking about.
Why don't you come work for us?

527
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,600
And Henry, at this point, he's
realizing if I come work for

528
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,480
you, I can't look for my wife.
I can't figure out how the hell

529
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,520
I got here and how the hell to
get back home.

530
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,040
No, I'm not going to do that,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

531
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,400
And then they kind of sweeten
the deal because they're like,

532
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,480
OK, you looking for your wife?
We got resources.

533
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,120
We have connections, We have our
name.

534
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,160
We can help you with this.
You scratch our back, we scratch

535
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,600
yours.
And so here is like, OK, I think

536
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,480
this can work because again,
right now you are in a time that

537
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,520
you are unfamiliar with.
You were in a place that you're

538
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,680
unfamiliar with.
You don't know where your wife

539
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,160
is.
You have no coin.

540
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,760
You have no place to lay your
head like you are literally just

541
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,200
kind of out there.
So why not take advantage of,

542
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,960
you know this offer if it's
going to help you get what you

543
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,400
what you want?
Yep, that's true.

544
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,640
That's very true.
And to me, not to mention, like,

545
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,080
you know, you got a a whole job
out of this.

546
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,920
Like think about people who
would have went to the past and

547
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,080
and couldn't do nothing, like
couldn't do nothing.

548
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,200
Like I don't know how to farm or
I don't want to be a laborer.

549
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,120
Like what can I do?
If I go to the past?

550
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,280
I can't do what I do now back
then.

551
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400
So it's or get.
Sold to play Pay somebody else's

552
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,560
debt.
Right, right 'cause I won't.

553
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,600
Right, 'cause I won't worry.
Like he just really, yeah, he

554
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,560
was really lucky about that.
He just, he just, he just lucked

555
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,280
up, but I don't know how lucky
he thinks he is because when

556
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,120
when they walk outside to show
him his new quarters, he was

557
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,320
like, So what happened to the
other guy?

558
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,000
Well, there he is right there
and this like this guy, they

559
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,680
literally put his head on a
Pike.

560
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,800
I was like, OK, so Henry at this
point is thinking, what the hell

561
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,080
did I just get myself into?
Because it's out 1700s.

562
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,320
There's no, there's no law and
order, so to speak.

563
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Like literally there is Clan
justice.

564
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,440
I, I think I remember Jamie
saying that in the original

565
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,720
show.
Or Dougal, maybe Clan Justice.

566
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,000
You, you wronged us.
You, you cheat us.

567
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,800
You steal from us.
You do this.

568
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:32,840
We're going to handle it our
way.

569
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,400
There is no calling the cops and
sending you to trial.

570
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,240
Oh, no, you did this.
OK, We're going to take a

571
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,680
finger.
You did this or we going to take

572
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,480
your head.
I did wonder if for some reason

573
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,360
that money wasn't on that dude,
would they have come back for

574
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Henry?
Because that's kind of the proof

575
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,960
that it was some shady stuff was
that he actually had the money.

576
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,440
What if he didn't have the money
on?

577
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,000
What if he had hidden it by
then?

578
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,440
Like, Oh my God, yeah, they just
killed him immediately.

579
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,760
Yeah, But I mean.
I I think if Henry wouldn't have

580
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,960
been sure, he probably wouldn't
have said anything, but since

581
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,040
that's literally the first thing
he saw.

582
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,080
Those were the first two people
he saw when he came into you

583
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,960
know, quote UN quote town trying
to figure out where he was and

584
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,120
what was going on.
He literally saw them, the money

585
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,560
change hands.
And then, of course, this guy

586
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,520
goes home with them.
He's in the room with them.

587
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,720
So he really hasn't had a chance
to go put his stuff up, hide or

588
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,040
anything, because Arch Bug is
there with them the whole time,

589
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,680
you know, and Arch, knowing what
we know about Arch, you know, he

590
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,360
may have been a lackey or he may
have been a bodyguard.

591
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,280
But Arch was also quick on the
tape.

592
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,120
He paid attention to things.
He knew things.

593
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,600
So once they got into that room
and they were doing all the

594
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,240
negotiating and the guy was
like, Oh, yeah, it sounds like a

595
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,840
pretty good offer they giving
you.

596
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,880
The moment Henry spoke up, Arch
was probably paying attention.

597
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,440
Like, what would cause a
stranger to speak up like that?

598
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,920
And, and something that he has
no interest in, something he's

599
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,080
not vested in.
Why would he speak up like that?

600
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,800
That is something I think would
make a person like Arch pay

601
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,520
attention to the situation and
start, you know, kind of seeing

602
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,040
what everybody else is doing or
how everybody else is acting.

603
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,719
And if somebody was acting kind
of suspicious, he probably would

604
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,520
have picked up on it, which is
why he had no problem when Isaac

605
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,719
Grant was like, yeah, check him
out.

606
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,520
Yeah, come on, let's go.
Because I think he probably, at

607
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,199
that point had already figured
it out.

608
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:44,320
Yeah, I know.
Like, like, y'all beat him.

609
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,920
Y'all just can't stay out of
trouble.

610
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,480
No, look.
Not at all.

611
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,440
Seriously.
Because not.

612
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,840
Even not even just stay out of
trouble, stay out of folks

613
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,240
business, stay out just I, I
don't know, you don't know how

614
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:01,440
to blend into the background.
But I guess again, in a way

615
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,840
that's good in some
circumstances.

616
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,360
And Henry's particular because
now he has resources to try to

617
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,200
help him find Julia.
Now, Julia, on the other hand,

618
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:22,840
you've been sold.
You're under the, I don't know,

619
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,000
I don't want to say ownership.
That's just, it just sounds so

620
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,360
disgusting.
But now you know, you're under

621
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,080
Lord Lovett figuratively, if not
literally yet, because you know,

622
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,200
that's probably going to come
with him.

623
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,600
Just given what we know about
his background and even just

624
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520
what he said about Brian.
He's planning on this being one

625
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,400
of his bad toys, so she's gonna
have to be careful.

626
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,240
But my thing is she was told not
to Ling in the room.

627
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:58,600
She keep lingering in the room.
I'm like honey, move quicker.

628
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:05,160
I'll be honest, I she's still
slow move.

629
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:08,480
She's still slow moving though.
I mean, she's like, she wanted

630
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,320
to have conversations.
Yeah.

631
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,000
You don't want to have
conversations.

632
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,520
Let's.
Go But you know what, if you

633
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,400
think about it, it's similar to
kind of like Claire like she's

634
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,760
trying to gather information
because one she's really sitting

635
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,680
here trying to figure out how
the hell she ended up in 1715

636
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,280
like.
You live in your bedroom.

637
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,880
Well, that that and also, I feel
like she's so used to being a

638
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,080
free woman to say and do what
she pleases.

639
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,600
She really, it's really hard to
bring that in because even for

640
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,880
Claire, Jesus H Roosevelt,
Christ was coming out her mouth

641
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,920
every two seconds and every two
seconds.

642
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,800
Yes, you are blaspheming.
I need you to calm down.

643
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,840
You know, like that mindset is
probably really hard to like,

644
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,240
you know, ignore and try to
like, you know, I just, yeah, I

645
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:50,400
probably be cussing a lot if I
was.

646
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,440
Yeah.
And then I mean, we we also saw

647
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,880
Julia is like you said, she's a
free woman.

648
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,600
But not only that, she's very
strong, she's very independent.

649
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,560
She does put you in mind of
Claire, which this is something

650
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,560
weird.
I saw.

651
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,520
I saw a review, I can't remember
where it was from, and somebody

652
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,360
basically the the writer of the
review was saying that the thing

653
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,680
that had them eye rolling the
most about blood of my blood,

654
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,680
they're like, it's almost like
you took a carbon copy of Claire

655
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,680
and and put, you know, made her,
her mother be almost similar to

656
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,000
her, which they were like,
that's so unrealistic because

657
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,800
most daughters try to, you know,
they go the opposite direction

658
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,400
of what their mothers are.
Whatever.

659
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,720
And I'm like, but you're not
thinking about the fact that

660
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,920
Claire lost her mother at 5:00.
And even as a child, even in the

661
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,680
little bit of a description that
we got of her in the end of

662
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,520
Episode 1, Claire's very much
already very independent child,

663
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,400
very intelligent, very smart.
You know, she's with Uncle Lamb

664
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,680
at the British Museum probably.
And they were like, yeah, Uncle

665
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,320
Lamb's probably going to have
her translating hieroglyphics.

666
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,680
This is not something you say
about a child that's just, you

667
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,600
know, I don't want to say dumb,
but a child that's not overly

668
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,640
bright or overly intelligent or
overly, you know, that sort of

669
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,080
child, right?
So you would think that with

670
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:27,080
Claire losing her mother so
early, she's probably holding on

671
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:31,560
and maybe even sub
unconsciously, she's holding on

672
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,000
to what she remembers of her
mother because she doesn't

673
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,240
remember much.
Even, you know, in the the main

674
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:39,840
series, she does say that she
doesn't remember her mother at

675
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,880
all because at some point you're
so young, those memories start

676
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:49,800
to fade, you know, But if Julia
was the one that was raising

677
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,200
Claire, she was teaching her to
be a strong independent woman.

678
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,480
Like she was teaching her to be
smart teaching, you know, Julia,

679
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,880
we see in the beginning of this
episode, she wants to go back to

680
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,400
university.
She wants to become of the one

681
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,080
of the first women to earn a
degree.

682
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,640
So she has those kind of goals
and those, you know,

683
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,800
inspirations for herself.
Why would you think that her

684
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,000
daughter wouldn't have the same,
especially if she's trying to

685
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,360
hold on so much to this mother
she doesn't remember.

686
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,080
She's gonna emulate everything
that she can remember about her

687
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,880
mother, maybe.
Not only that, but she didn't

688
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,240
grow up with her as a teenager
where where we would usually

689
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,240
rebel to be different than our
moms.

690
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,160
She didn't have that.
So it's not like she just was

691
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,800
gonna, I'm gonna be the opposite
of what I think my mother was or

692
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,280
I'm gonna be the same as my mom
like she.

693
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,120
But The thing is that's the
whole thing with the nature

694
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,840
versus nurture as well, because
personality traits and different

695
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,760
things that stuff, even though
yes, kids can the world

696
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,000
stimuliize things to change
people, but DNADNA, you going to

697
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,640
have your parents traits in you
whether they raise you or not.

698
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,040
There are so many kids who later
found out after they were

699
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,760
adopted that there were so much
like their real parents because

700
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,880
that's just the nature of
things.

701
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,880
And like, that's a real dumb
thing to say.

702
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,360
Oh, that made her just like her
mom.

703
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,840
Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't she
be just like her mom?

704
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,640
Her mom had to be in war.
She had to be in war.

705
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Like they grew up in similar
circumstances, even though

706
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,240
obviously she didn't have her
parents.

707
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:25,520
But like, look at where her life
went.

708
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,240
Like, I don't know.
That's to me, that's so silly.

709
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,200
Like, why wouldn't you be right?
Like, Brianna, even look at

710
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,280
Brianna.
Rihanna was angry at her mom for

711
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,480
a minute.
But did she?

712
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,560
She's she's like a Mama.
Yeah, she's like a Mama.

713
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,920
Like situations do that you know
and.

714
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,640
She has a lot of Jamie in her.
And Jamie didn't raise her.

715
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,680
She didn't leave Jamie until she
was almost 30.

716
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,480
Yeah.
So, yeah.

717
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,120
But even with Claire, like what
you just said about usually when

718
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,760
we're teenagers is when we kind
of get into it with our parents

719
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,680
or start trying to rebel.
But again, for Claire is it's

720
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,280
kind of like she would have
because she didn't grow up with

721
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,280
Julia.
She would have no reason to even

722
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,200
think about rebellion.
Because one, you don't, you

723
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,160
don't know that your mom was
inexplicably pulled away from

724
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,680
you, right?
She died as far as you know.

725
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,160
I don't know if she remembers
going to a funeral.

726
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,800
I don't remember if they had a
funeral.

727
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,600
I mean, obviously there were no
bodies recovered, so why would

728
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,560
she even have that kind of
thought about her mother?

729
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Like, oh, I don't want to be
like her.

730
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,600
Whatever knows that.
If anything, she probably put

731
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,000
her mother on a pedestal for as
long as she could because that's

732
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,840
probably what she, I mean, she's
five years old.

733
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,080
All 5 year olds love their
mother, you know?

734
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,640
So yeah, I just, I read that and
I was really bothered by that

735
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,520
because I was like, that makes
no sense at all.

736
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,400
Yeah, but I mean, I, I, I kind
of feel like just what we've

737
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,280
seen of Julia so far, Claire
does get a lot of her traits

738
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,680
from her, you know, some of her
mannerisms and the the way that

739
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,920
they play, they're playing these
characters.

740
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,640
Like, I know that Hermione
Corfield, who plays Julia, she

741
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,160
was a fan of the Outlanders show
before, you know, this prequel

742
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,440
came out before she got Castle.
She was a fan, so once she found

743
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,440
out who she was playing, I think
she went back and rewatched and

744
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,320
kind of studied the way that
Claire did things because again,

745
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,520
you're you're portraying her
mother.

746
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,720
There are going to be some
similarities even with like

747
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:45,000
Jamie and Brian, you know?
But yeah, I just this whole

748
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:51,000
situation that they find
themselves in, it's just it's

749
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,800
unfortunate because like
Michelle said, as far as we

750
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,520
know, they never make it back to
Claire.

751
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,640
You know, and even if they do
make it back to their regular

752
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,240
time, depending on when they
did, Claire could have already

753
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:10,600
been gone or even if Claire was
still there once Uncle Lemon

754
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,880
again, we don't even know what
happened to Uncle Lamb.

755
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,400
We don't know if he died or we
don't know if Claire just lost

756
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,480
touch with him once she, you
know, once she met Frank and got

757
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,840
married.
We, we don't know what's going

758
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,200
on with Uncle Lamb, if he died,
if they lost touch or if it was

759
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,800
just, you know, OK, she's grown,
she's married now.

760
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,600
We're just not as close.
Even if they went back, there's

761
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,480
no, there's no guarantee that
they would have found Claire,

762
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:46,240
you know, So it's, it is sad in
that sense, but it's, I don't

763
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,760
know.
It makes me wonder because of

764
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,320
again, Julia's pregnant.
We know that she's pregnant.

765
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,520
So what's going to happen?
Is she not going to go back

766
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,040
because she doesn't know if she
can go back through the stones,

767
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,720
Do she?
Does she even realize at this

768
00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:05,080
point that the stones are what
transported her in the first

769
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,440
place?
They wouldn't know that.

770
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,720
I mean, they should, but you
don't.

771
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,440
You wouldn't know.
You wouldn't come to that

772
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,440
conclusion.
You heard the humming they gave

773
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,760
us, but you didn't know, like
the last thing knows, I touched

774
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,240
these stones.
Well, I guess you would, because

775
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,200
you like the last thing I did.
Was I touched?

776
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,280
I heard humming.
I touched stones.

777
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,200
I was looking for her.
She wasn't there and my heart

778
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,120
was oh, and I touched the stone
and next thing you know, here I

779
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,040
am.
But we heard the humming with

780
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,520
him, too.
Yeah, so once they come

781
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,960
together, then they probably
could have some, like, how did

782
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,760
we get here?
And like, what was the last

783
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,960
thing you remember flipping over
in the car?

784
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,160
But the word was still the same.
Oh, those stones.

785
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,880
Did you hear the humming?
I heard the humming.

786
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,400
Yeah.
But when they touch it and they

787
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,800
don't go nowhere, it's figuring
out that you need some jewelry

788
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,840
or you need to murder someone.
And you and you need the

789
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,120
solstice because remember the
the stones are only active

790
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,320
during certain times.
Oh, see, I forgot about that

791
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,240
part.
Yeah.

792
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:14,520
I was gonna say maybe, maybe
Henry was able to go through

793
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,960
'cause he killed a lot of
people.

794
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,280
He shared a lot of blood.
That that is true.

795
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,000
The blood to to get to.
The stone Like Gaylis literally

796
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,640
burned her husband at the foot
of the stone.

797
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,040
Well, maybe she didn't get that.
You just had to have have

798
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,000
murdered and killed someone in
your life, not right on top of

799
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,920
the stone.
No, I think it, I think she

800
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,760
specifically said blood
sacrifice.

801
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,760
I know, but you know, I think
she likes sacrifices, so you

802
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,040
know.
OK.

803
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,640
She does.
So I don't know.

804
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,800
Reliable, not narrator?
I'm not quite sure.

805
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,400
This is true, but again, we
don't know even even even Claire

806
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:03,320
and and Brianna and and Roger.
Like, remember, Brianna and

807
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:08,880
Roger are actually writing some
of this down for the kids and

808
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,560
they're like, we still don't
know all the ways that this

809
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,720
thing can work.
There could be there could be

810
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:17,200
ways to go through the stones
that we have no clue about.

811
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,800
And you just really, it's a
magical thing.

812
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,600
You really just don't know.
Right, because what if you have

813
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,680
stones and, and the and they,
you know, a gym and they say,

814
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,000
no, we don't want you to travel.
Well, you know, they say a lot

815
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,680
of people, well, you wouldn't
know because you don't read the

816
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,800
books.
But in the books, one of the

817
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:42,760
things that they talk about is
the fact that when you go to

818
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,440
through the stones, all of them
describe hearing other people

819
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,520
and they don't they, they assume
that it's other travellers, but

820
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,680
also they assume that it's
travellers who may have gotten

821
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,840
stuck.
Like if, if you, if you were

822
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,320
there during the right time of
the year and you touched the

823
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,240
stones, but you didn't have a
gem, maybe you can't go all the

824
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,800
way through.
Like nobody knows what happens

825
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,720
while you're traveling through
the stones.

826
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,000
Like you're, I think this is
something that Brianna and

827
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,840
Rodger were talking about.
Like, does your body actually

828
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,800
disintegrate and then reform or,
you know, how exactly is this?

829
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,400
And that's one of the things
that I would like to find out.

830
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,640
But like, exactly how exactly do
you do that research?

831
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,360
You know, even if you figured
out how to do the time travel,

832
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,680
which obviously Claire, Brianna,
Rodger, they figured it out.

833
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,280
Claire has made several jumps
through Brianna and Rodger.

834
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,800
And came the time she wanted and
got where she wanted to go and

835
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,640
the time she wanted to go.
So.

836
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,120
Oh, that's the other thing.
They know they they know you

837
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,880
have to have some kind of
anchor, something pulling right

838
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,680
to a specific time, which in
this instance, it makes sense

839
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,360
for Henry right to follow Julia
all the way through because

840
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,640
right you were just with her.
She all, she disappears.

841
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,360
You're fancy.
That's where you're thinking.

842
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,560
And he's, he's really connected
to us.

843
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,720
And that's why they showed us
everything in the beginning.

844
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,560
Like he's really, that is his
anchor.

845
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,880
That is pretty much what's
keeping him alive.

846
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,640
Yeah, you know, and she
disappeared.

847
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,720
It's like, oh, well, I need to
go find her.

848
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:22,400
That's that's what does he say?
He calls her his hope.

849
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,080
He was like, oh, OK, she can't
go anywhere.

850
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,760
And then I'm just like, what am
I supposed to do?

851
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,600
Because obviously she didn't
fall off the hill because I'm

852
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,880
pretty sure he probably looked.
And then of course, the buzzing,

853
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,920
the pull of the stones got to
him because it it's almost like

854
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,600
one of those things, if you're
not aware of what you're doing,

855
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,680
if you're not aware that the
stones are what they are, is it

856
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,920
a pool that you can't ignore?
Kind of like Claire said, it was

857
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,240
for the the first time that she
did it.

858
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,240
She was like, you know, it's
just kind of like you're

859
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:01,840
inexplicably drawn to it.
So I'm just kind of wondering,

860
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,080
again, we don't know all the
ways that the stones work, but

861
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,920
that would be something
interesting to explore.

862
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,640
Like how did how did how did
this happen?

863
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,600
How did we get here?
And again, like you said,

864
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,680
Michelle, how did Henry get
through without the stone?

865
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,560
Was his was his bond to Julia
just that great?

866
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,520
He was able to go through
without any kind of consequence

867
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,920
or any kind of damage because I
mean, even well, I was going to

868
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,880
say even Buck seemed like he had
some heart issues towards the

869
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,120
end of the season.
But again, he went through twice

870
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:47,480
and fairly close time frames.
So his body body probably hadn't

871
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,760
had chance to recover from the
first time he went through

872
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,920
because again, this was another
one he went through.

873
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,880
I forgot.
What did he say they were?

874
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,920
He was chasing a dog and he
heard the buzzing and he got

875
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,480
pulled through.
And then of course, he went back

876
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,480
through with Roger to check to
go after Jimmy.

877
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:14,240
That was maybe only a few weeks.
So yeah, I, I don't know, but

878
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:21,960
they got some problems on their
hands, Julia, especially because

879
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:29,440
it seems like she may have looks
like she may have an ally in

880
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,600
Brian.
But again, there's not too much

881
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,840
Brian's going to be able to do.
I mean, he's already kind of

882
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,840
like the outcast of of the
house, so he can probably try to

883
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,720
keep her safe.
Miss Porter can try to keep her

884
00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:44,880
safe.
But again, Miss Porter, I hate

885
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,920
to say it, she was a victim in
the household as well.

886
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,920
So how safe exactly is she going
to be able to?

887
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,400
Keep you?
Not much.

888
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,880
It's not like she's one.
She's not young.

889
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,360
Yeah, she's not a fighter,
obviously.

890
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,280
And I think even though I think
we all said something about the

891
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,960
way that Lord Lovett kind of
behaves around her, like he acts

892
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,920
as regular asshole.
So when she kind of fixes him

893
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,040
with that eye, he kind of stays
back and leaves her.

894
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,720
Oh, you know what I just thought
about that just popped in my

895
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:27,000
head.
OK, so going back to the episode

896
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,240
in the main show, when we meet
Lord Lovett, remember he had the

897
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,760
the wise woman with him that he
was, you know, that was giving

898
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,040
him all of the prophecies and
everything.

899
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,000
I wonder if he thought Miss
Porter was one of those or if

900
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,800
she had someone nearby that she
was like if you don't behave,

901
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,440
I'm a Hick show ass.
And that's why he looks at her

902
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:55,080
like that would be funny because
you saw how he was in that

903
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,440
episode when he was older, when
that that Lady was given

904
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,600
prophecies.
And then even when Claire came

905
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,440
back and gave the prophecy, he
was like, oh shit, no, no.

906
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,120
No, they wrestle with.
Them.

907
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,840
Yeah, I messed with them.
I wonder maybe you might be a

908
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,400
little more interesting than I
thought.

909
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,480
Also by Miss Porter, the thing
that has been bugging me is so

910
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,480
she's not old, but like she's an
older lady than Julia, but like

911
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,600
she not old.
So that means she was a youngin,

912
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,440
a real young Oh.
I wouldn't doubt it got her.

913
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,680
Pregnant with brain and that
just.

914
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,240
Oh my goodness.
Probably a teenager, probably a

915
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:37,360
teenager because again, 1700s,
that's kind of what they did.

916
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,920
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, just thinking about

917
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:40,520
that.
And then.

918
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,840
Oh.
Yeah, so.

919
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:47,440
But you know, again, she's not
going to be able to protect

920
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,560
Julia much.
Yeah.

921
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,200
Because because even if Lord
Lovett doesn't do anything to

922
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,600
her, that fucking bodyguard of
his I would not want to be

923
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,400
anywhere along with that dude.
I know he's so scary.

924
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,560
He is so scary.
For someone who does not say

925
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,160
anything, he is scary.
And he's always there and

926
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:14,280
standing in just.
Watching Yeah.

927
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,160
If I was Julia, I would be like,
I understand you're headstrong.

928
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,400
I understand that you are in a
situation you should not be in,

929
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,760
but baby, read the room.
What we say all the time.

930
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,200
Read the room.
You are not in a safe space.

931
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,760
I'm going to need you to kind of
close your mouth and just kind

932
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,440
of pay attention to what's going
on.

933
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,720
One thing about this show, we
don't know what the timeline is,

934
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:43,320
so we don't know how long
they've been there yet, but it

935
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:49,400
it's just like I need I need you
to pay attention cuz this man

936
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,200
there is there is no, there is
no late night.

937
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,240
I'm a sneak out of the castle
mess like Clint.

938
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:57,040
Don't please don't try to do
what your daughter did because

939
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,160
it didn't work it out in
Claire's favor either.

940
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,520
Claire tried to escape and Jamie
called her here.

941
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,720
Dougal called it.
Just stay because Claire was

942
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,760
nowhere near in in the kind of
danger that you were in.

943
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,760
Very much so.
And Claire, I guess what you she

944
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,280
was definitely a fighter too.
So they got her and then was

945
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,640
like, you gonna marry this young
boy?

946
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:23,360
That's like, it's in some ways
she was kind of like owned or

947
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,040
enslaved too, because they were
just like, oh, you're pretty

948
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,440
last.
You gonna marry this boy?

949
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:28,560
That's.
Well.

950
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,200
No, because the thing with
Claire, as far as marrying

951
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,840
Jamie, they were trying to keep
her safe from Blackjack Randall.

952
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,040
And the only way that they could
do that was like Dual said, they

953
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,400
had to quote, UN quote, make her
Scottish.

954
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,480
Yeah.
The only way for them to do that

955
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,200
was through marriage.
Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that.

956
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,240
It's been years.
I just so much.

957
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,680
Yeah, we just got lucky.
It was Jamie, yeah.

958
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,360
Right.
Right.

959
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Come on now.
The universe is working in our

960
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,600
favor, baby.
Right.

961
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,920
But going back to what you said,
Dana, it does apply.

962
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,400
Like the whole thing where
Claire was supposed to leave

963
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:09,320
with the tinker and Colin was
like, yeah, so David Beaton is

964
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,200
dead.
I'm gonna need you to stay here

965
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,520
and and be our heel.
And she was like, I'm about to

966
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:15,640
leave.
No, you're not.

967
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:21,760
So at that point, yes, she does
become a prisoner in a sense,

968
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,120
but he even tells her he was
like, look, as long as you do

969
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,520
what I asked you to do, you're
not a prisoner.

970
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,000
You're here as a guest.
Missing words.

971
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,720
Yes I understand because when I
say column in this series I

972
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:36,000
don't know if y'all have seen
the third episode yet.

973
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,440
Yes, yes, I have.
I have not, but it started.

974
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,120
Yeah.
Yeah, he got a mouse, so he's a

975
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,640
smart one.
He's a smart one and he knows

976
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,800
how to manipulate things to
where it's like, OK, yeah, I'm

977
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,240
doing this, but I'm kind of not
doing this or I'm I'm making you

978
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:56,640
think I'm not doing this, but
this is what I'm doing.

979
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,040
So but, but even with that, his
whole thing was OK.

980
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,680
Whether you here's my guests or,
or here as my prisoner.

981
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,440
He did give her the protection
of the castle.

982
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,000
You know, he does protect her.
He does offer her some safety,

983
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,760
which is more than I can say for
what Julia has right now, at

984
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,120
least.
Claire, they were kind of like,

985
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,680
OK, we're suspicious of you
because something about you

986
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,160
don't seem right and you could
be a spy.

987
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,080
But we will protect you.
We will give you, you know, a

988
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,160
little bit of freedom to move
about.

989
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,160
Like, yeah, she had Angus and
Rupert that were kind of, you

990
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,720
know, watching her, but that was
just to make sure she didn't go

991
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:37,760
anywhere.
But they didn't.

992
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,160
Like she wasn't a prisoner in
that sense.

993
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,080
She had some freedom.
She still was able to do what

994
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,320
she needed to do, so her
situation was less precarious

995
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,240
than Julius is in comparison.
Of course, we're looking at

996
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,720
Outlander for the first time.
We're like, yeah, girl, you a

997
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:58,640
prisoner.
But if you're comparing them

998
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,760
both now, Claire, you actually
kind.

999
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,920
Of it's different.
You had a kind of easy compared

1000
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,560
to what your Mama is about to go
through.

1001
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:05,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

1002
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,800
So.
And your Mama is like a whole

1003
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:14,680
like servant, servant, like she
is doing like hard labor, right?

1004
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,200
So, and to a man who is not
married, at least what column?

1005
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,160
Column had Leticia Leticia look
like the type that be like,

1006
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,440
bitch, please, you better not
touch her.

1007
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,440
What did Jamie say?
Yeah, Leticia doesn't cross

1008
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,040
column in public, but she has
been known to throw a piece of

1009
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:37,000
Crocker.
So, yeah, I I need Julia to kind

1010
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,800
of.
I mean, they had to just watch,

1011
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,000
just observe.
Yeah.

1012
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,760
How to figure out the best
course of action and also listen

1013
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,600
out because obviously if the
Connors came through the way

1014
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,280
that they did, there might be
other people coming through.

1015
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,600
Henry could still show up,
especially if he's looking for

1016
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,440
her, if he's asking questions
about her.

1017
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,760
Now, the the bad thing about her
is she was alone when she was

1018
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,920
taken.
Nobody else was on on that hill.

1019
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,440
But I mean, stranger things have
happened, especially when it

1020
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,600
comes to this show and these
characters.

1021
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,360
So they could find they could
find each other.

1022
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,640
I hope for their sakes they do,
but I also don't it's it's kind

1023
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,920
of like if they find each other
in this season, then what are we

1024
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,640
looking at for next season?
Because we know they've been

1025
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,000
renewed for Season 2.
They've already started

1026
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,280
production.
So it's kind of like, where will

1027
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,080
the story take us?
And that's a good thing about

1028
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,160
the show because this is all new
territory.

1029
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,440
Like Diana Gabaldon said she had
no plans to write any stories

1030
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,880
about Claire's parents, but she
is working on a prequel with

1031
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,040
Jamie's parents.
This was something she mentioned

1032
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,200
a couple of years ago.
And now that Blood of My Blood

1033
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,960
has started airing, she's
actually started putting some of

1034
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,600
the excerpts from that prequel
on her Facebook page and her

1035
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,920
website.
So it's interesting to kind of

1036
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,960
see the different directions
that the characters go.

1037
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,000
But like, again, Claire's
parents is is literally a blank

1038
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,480
page.
You have no idea what's going to

1039
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,880
happen with those characters.
We have no idea how this

1040
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,680
pregnancy is about to figure in.
Because like we talked about in

1041
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,760
the last episode, is it going to
have something to do with the

1042
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,160
whole faith mystery with Fanny
and Jane towards the end of the

1043
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,400
season?
Like are we going to find out

1044
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,080
that those are are Claire's
relatives?

1045
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,560
Did they ever go back?
And there's just so many

1046
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,320
questions that they can answer
with with these characters, but

1047
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,080
I need Julia to stay alive long
enough for that to happen,

1048
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,360
right?
So just come on now.

1049
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:57,120
Yeah, but I, I will say 2
episodes in, I, I still feel the

1050
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,560
excitement, like the story is so
good.

1051
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,200
They are doing such a great job
with the story, with the

1052
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,280
characters.
The emotions like you say in

1053
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:13,120
this episode, because I was in
my feelings when Henry went out

1054
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:18,200
to try to save his to save his
soldier, even against orders.

1055
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:23,400
I was like they bout to shoot
this man on yeah, that was for

1056
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,760
not doing what he was supposed
to do.

1057
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,960
But even the the the scene with
the soldier dying, his whole,

1058
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,160
his whole letter writing
campaign, just the back and

1059
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,920
forth, the voice overs,
listening to the letters, you

1060
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,000
know, him being kind of, you
know, in despair and Julia being

1061
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,960
hopeful and being romantic and
being poetic.

1062
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,960
I was just like, y'all are going
to make me fall in love with

1063
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,400
these characters, which is going
to be sad because I already

1064
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,760
know, like Michelle said, as far
as we know, clearance parents

1065
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,120
didn't make it or we don't know
what happened to them.

1066
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:57,760
Yeah.
We don't.

1067
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,320
OK, so books will be the
adventures of their life.

1068
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,600
I mean we know so far that they
don't.

1069
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,320
Like she has not encountered her
parents.

1070
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,720
No, as far as we know, 'cause
even if she encountered them,

1071
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:23,000
let's say in the past when she
came to Inverness, I mean, she's

1072
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,480
a grown woman at this point,
which means her parents would

1073
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,520
have been a little bit older as
well.

1074
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,120
Would she have even recognized
them?

1075
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,560
Would they have recognized her?
The last time they saw her was

1076
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,960
she was 5.
But she does look an awful.

1077
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,520
Lot like her.
Mother like her mom.

1078
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,880
And then they will travel back
and know they will look for her.

1079
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,120
You see what I'm saying?
So yeah, they don't.

1080
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,880
Doesn't mean they die.
It's just that we just don't.

1081
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,520
We don't know where they end up,
right?

1082
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,440
What the good thing is that it's
possible that they're they are

1083
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:58,040
alive somewhere because Archbug
was still alive and and even

1084
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,760
Lord Lovett was still alive and
when she went back, yeah, the

1085
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,080
time.
So they could possibly be

1086
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,760
somewhere in that time.
Now by the time she's the the 20

1087
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,200
years later and she didn't come
back and her and Jamie got like

1088
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,120
they probably did by then.
Maybe, I don't know, maybe not

1089
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,520
because Archbugs still alive.
Yeah, he's still alive and too,

1090
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:16,240
right.
Yeah.

1091
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,160
But then they're they could be
at a different time, so then

1092
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,720
it's hard.
Yeah, and if they.

1093
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,720
Could have ended up in the 70s.
Yeah, I was going to say, if

1094
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,920
they ended up going through the
stones again, they could have.

1095
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,760
They could have either gone.
They could have gone.

1096
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:36,480
I'm trying to think of how I'm
supposed to.

1097
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,160
They could have gone back
further ahead.

1098
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,680
Like they could have gone back
and ended up past the 1920s.

1099
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:50,120
They could have gone, ended up
in the 1940s, nineteen 60s, but

1100
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,880
they will still be the same age.
Like they wouldn't necessarily

1101
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,520
age to where they should be age.
So again, all kinds of

1102
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,800
possibilities, you know, or if
they stayed in the 1900s, then

1103
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,560
yeah, they will be a little bit
older.

1104
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,600
And then if Claire comes
through, like Claire went to

1105
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,440
Scotland, Claire went to France,
they could have done any of

1106
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,040
those things.
She could have run into her

1107
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:15,640
parents anywhere, you know,
Look, that could be a reason

1108
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,560
why.
Oh, I can't say that because

1109
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,040
Dina ain't seen the end of the.
Season.

1110
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,240
I'm done.
I'm done.

1111
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,680
Yeah, I I finished it.
Yeah, I finished OK.

1112
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,400
I was like I need to get done
with this.

1113
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,000
That could be the reason, you
know, maybe Master Raymond know

1114
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,080
something about her parents and
that's why.

1115
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:32,600
That's one thing.
I'm sorry.

1116
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,400
Yeah, I think, yeah.
Which cuz that was so crazy too,

1117
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,560
because like, oh, your mom's
name is Faith.

1118
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,800
I had a daughter named Faith,
but I didn't know I had a sister

1119
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,520
named Faith.
So there's all this stuff and

1120
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:44,960
it's.
Right, right.

1121
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,400
All this stuff.
Yeah.

1122
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,200
That's why I was like, you got
to finish watching that season

1123
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,800
because it's crazy.
It's it's crazy.

1124
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:57,280
But again, with the time travel
thing, there's so many

1125
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:01,120
possibilities that we can go
into with with what happened to

1126
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,800
Claire's parents.
And again, it's a it's an open

1127
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,960
book because Diana Gabadon has
not written anything about

1128
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:12,560
Claire's parents.
So we can really just like, I

1129
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,680
don't know.
But again, I'm a need Julia to

1130
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:21,160
not, I need her to sit her ass
down and not be trying to

1131
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:27,160
escape, you know, and, and I, I
love Brian for trying to let

1132
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,760
her, you know, because he was
really trying to convince her to

1133
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,440
stay.
And she's like, look, I got to

1134
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,520
go.
We know Brian has a little bit

1135
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,000
of a soft heart.
So he was like, OK, you know

1136
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,960
what, man?
But that damn bodyguard.

1137
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,840
Poor Brian, he just catches.
Hell, I know, I know.

1138
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,600
And then that's that, that he
catches hell.

1139
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,320
And then Jamie's that same kind
of man.

1140
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,640
Yeah, who also catches hell for
trying to be the right, do the

1141
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:01,280
right thing, you know?
But I wonder, did they say

1142
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,120
anything about that in that
write up?

1143
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,240
Did they say Jamie's too much
like his dad?

1144
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,080
Like you?
Know no, but you know what?

1145
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:14,400
But it it almost would make
sense because I mean, Jamie was

1146
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:19,320
what, 19 when Brian died maybe.
Yeah.

1147
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,000
Because remember, Brian died
after he got flogged by Jack

1148
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,400
Randall.
He he was there watching and had

1149
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:30,240
the the stroke because we're
seeing Jamie get beat.

1150
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:37,880
So, yeah, I think I think that's
one of the reasons why Jamie, I

1151
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,440
will say, took to Claire as much
as he did because even Jamie,

1152
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:47,200
Jamie was young when Ellen died.
But I think he would have enough

1153
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,640
memory of his mother to know
what type of woman she was.

1154
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:57,120
And then if you think about it,
Jenny is also hit strong woman,

1155
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,240
you know, she doesn't cower
back.

1156
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:02,440
So she obviously also got that
from her mother.

1157
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,760
But also Jamie would have had
that.

1158
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,840
He would have had that example
of Brian and Ellen, you know,

1159
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,440
because he would have actually
seen his parents be together, be

1160
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,440
in love.
And then after Ellen died, you

1161
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:18,360
know, Brian never remarried.
He like, carried that torch for

1162
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,000
her forever, which is so fucking
tragic.

1163
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:26,040
But at the same time, it's so
incredibly romantic that someone

1164
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,480
touched your soul that much that
you just can't let go to be with

1165
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,520
someone else.
But you know, and it's in

1166
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,880
another sense, it's sad as well,
because to know that you are a

1167
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,720
person that is capable of that
kind of great love and nobody

1168
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,280
else will ever get to experience
that, that's sad.

1169
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,480
But OK.
So I have it on in the

1170
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,440
background.
Yes, we do find out in this

1171
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:53,520
episode that Miss Porter is
Brian's mother because he took

1172
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:58,800
the beating for he took the
beating for Julia or Julia after

1173
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,120
she got caught trying to escape.
And I was just like, you know

1174
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,760
what?
I don't know if I can watch

1175
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,720
another Fraser man get get
whipped, but luckily it wasn't

1176
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:10,280
as bad as Jamie's.
Cuz when I say first season

1177
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:16,920
Outlander as far as some of the
most brutally graphic stuff that

1178
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:22,080
you see on TV, this show took
the cake between those first,

1179
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:27,880
first season.
Yeah, anything that happened in

1180
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:32,840
in in the in the prison, it was
just like, no, I like when when

1181
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,680
Brianna went back and she walked
through and she was like, I

1182
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:36,960
don't like the feel of this
place.

1183
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,480
Yes, Boo Boo.
I understand why your daddy got

1184
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,760
beat right there.
Your grandfather died probably

1185
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,360
in the spot that you felt that
just.

1186
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:47,680
Yeah, no, brutally.
That's true.

1187
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:55,800
Yeah, when she and Rodger went
to a Port William, she was like,

1188
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,000
yeah, something about this
place, you know?

1189
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,200
Yeah, your your family has a lot
of history there.

1190
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,680
Yeah.
Yeah.

1191
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:14,480
So the episode ends, we end up
going back to Castle Lyac with

1192
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:21,160
the Mackenzie's and Healing and
Mad seem like they're about to

1193
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:27,040
have a nice little friendship.
Even though the Grants and the

1194
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:32,840
Mackenzie's obviously they they
don't have good relations,

1195
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,479
especially at the Dougal beat
Malcolm Grant almost to a pulp

1196
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,920
in last episode.
But again, going back to this

1197
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:45,040
whole thing about yeah, so this
is how we want to recompense

1198
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,439
you.
We're going to give you Ellen

1199
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:51,240
Mackenzie to Mary Malcolm Grant.
This whole thing about just

1200
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:57,720
giving people to other people.
It's just say it, it is.

1201
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:59,600
It is.
It's infuriating.

1202
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:05,560
And and the fact that Harlem,
again, Harlem is one of those

1203
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:10,479
people, you know, he's smart,
you know, he's making the

1204
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,880
decisions the best he can for
the clan.

1205
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,920
That's one thing about column I
don't think anybody can ever say

1206
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:21,319
he was selfish at any time
because he's always been about

1207
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:27,120
what's better for the clan.
But this is the system that you

1208
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,359
apparently had a good
relationship with because I've

1209
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,319
heard with you more than
anybody.

1210
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:34,920
And.
And for the others in this

1211
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,040
series except for Jacosta and
Jacosta, it's obvious that

1212
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:44,399
Jacosta is jealous of her.
But for you to be like, oh, OK,

1213
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:45,800
yeah.
So we're gonna we're gonna solve

1214
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,760
this.
I'm gonna give my sister to your

1215
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,760
person so they can get married
and we can be good.

1216
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:58,240
You know what?
OK, so that means I'm have to

1217
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,760
hate a young column too, but OK,
whatever.

1218
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,760
It is what it is.
Yeah, you don't have to 'cause

1219
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,280
I, I'm not feeling him right
now.

1220
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:09,320
He's frustrating because it's
like, this is your sister.

1221
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,200
Who who's been the closest to
you this whole time?

1222
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,000
She's your older sister.
She's clearly your dad's

1223
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,360
favorite, which the boys
probably did feel some kind of

1224
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,880
animosity towards her because of
that, but so did the girls.

1225
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,240
It was quite well suffered.
Jenny.

1226
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,800
Jenny.
That seemed pretty cool, but you

1227
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,560
could tell Jacosta didn't care
for it.

1228
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,200
But like Jacosta, I want.
The baby too.

1229
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,760
So and you know, I think Jacosta
is a little bit different

1230
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,960
because if you remember about
Jacosta's story, Jacosta was

1231
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,680
married young and the first
Cameron that she was married to

1232
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,520
was an older man, like probably
old enough to be her grandfire.

1233
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,840
So if that's the one she's
married to at this point, yeah,

1234
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,760
I would kind of be upset too.
Like I'm the youngest, but I've

1235
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,960
already been married to an older
guy.

1236
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:55,880
You're the oldest.
You should have been married

1237
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,080
1st.
And yeah, you've been given kind

1238
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:04,480
of the the freedom to say, yeah,
but I mean, you've been given

1239
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:06,440
the freedom to say, yes, I want
to get married.

1240
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:08,880
No, I don't want to get married.
So yeah, I can kind of

1241
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,440
understand Jacosta's saltiness
about it.

1242
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:17,720
But even in the the main show,
when she first sees Jamie, she

1243
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,560
does talk about how much she
misses Ellen.

1244
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,320
So maybe at some point they
reconcile.

1245
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,760
But in this part, yeah, she's
very much a jealous baby sister.

1246
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:32,560
But, you know, going back to
column, I don't like what he's

1247
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,480
doing with her.
But I will also say this, I have

1248
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:43,680
a feeling that for Ellen Holland
is probably the lesser of the

1249
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,760
two evils in regards to the
brothers.

1250
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,280
Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
I mean, cause Dougal just

1251
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,360
clearly went out there and just
start taking kicking butt and

1252
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,160
taking names without asking
questions.

1253
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:57,480
You didn't even check that.
You didn't.

1254
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,200
Even check the carriage first.
Yeah, you got eyes, Sir.

1255
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:02,920
You can't see no red hair.
Nowhere.

1256
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,080
Near like, what are you doing
right and.

1257
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,720
And you remember one of those
carriages?

1258
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,760
I don't.
I'm trying to think it wasn't

1259
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,040
even a carriage that you put
somebody in.

1260
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:16,840
No, it was like a wagon.
Type thing yeah right you could

1261
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:20,040
have been good the cloth and saw
that there was nobody nobody in

1262
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:27,320
there right right but you know
what so we're.

1263
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:32,400
Just like, you know, I think she
also, you know, but she

1264
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:36,680
probably, she feels closer to
Colin because he is, you know,

1265
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,880
he's a thinker and she's a
thinker.

1266
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,600
She was taught to also be a
thinker.

1267
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,960
And so sometimes, you know,
you're gonna always, probably a

1268
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,120
lot of times you're closer to
the ones you have most in common

1269
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:49,800
with.
I mean, obviously opposites

1270
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,480
attracting friendships and stuff
like that.

1271
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:55,240
But I feel like because they
grew up similarly, because it's

1272
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,520
clear the dad was probably
grooming him to be the one until

1273
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,360
he hurt himself, you know, I
mean, probably was the one, you

1274
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,800
know, yeah, until he got hurt
and stuff.

1275
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,640
So I don't know, like I'm just
angry that he immediately was

1276
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,960
like, my dad's word is dead.
He dead.

1277
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,800
Everybody he dead, I mean.
Sell my sister off.

1278
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:21,800
I'm like OK.
Right, like you are such a just

1279
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,280
whatever.
Hold on, let me see.

1280
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,960
I'm trying to see what the birth
order is.

1281
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:34,000
OK, so their birth order, Ellen
is the oldest column was next,

1282
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:40,360
then Dougal, then Janet.
They had an apparently another

1283
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:47,040
sister in here, a Florie who who
probably died and then Jacosta.

1284
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:53,760
So yeah, wow, that's, that was a
lot, yeah.

1285
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:59,760
Yeah, so, so, yeah, it it would
make sense now that Ellen and

1286
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,880
Colin were closest because they
were the first two children.

1287
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,720
They probably had time to bond
before Dougal got there and

1288
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:10,400
started wreaking havoc 'cause
you can tell Dougal as a child

1289
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:15,480
was probably every bit of hell
in as he is as an adult or not

1290
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:17,600
even adult.
He's a teenager in this in this

1291
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,000
series.
He's a, you know, older

1292
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,520
teenager.
So yeah, you know, that was

1293
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:25,480
probably chaotic, but.
I keep forgetting they're

1294
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:27,880
supposed to be children 'cause I
am straight less enough to this

1295
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,920
man.
I gotta get my mind together

1296
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,640
girl 'cause I keep forgetting
they're supposed to be young

1297
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,440
even though it obviously they're
grown people in real life but

1298
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:40,240
like the character.
I'm I know, I know is is I know

1299
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:45,200
it's so hard, especially with
that one 'cause he just I don't

1300
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,320
know something about his and,
and I will say this.

1301
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,080
No, it's not just his version
'cause even Gram mctattered

1302
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:57,400
version of Dougal, like it was a
bit more weathered and it was a

1303
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:04,840
bit more I said look a tiny bit
more calm than the person of

1304
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:11,400
him, But there's something about
I I don't know, they just I

1305
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:15,200
don't know.
They just exude like alpha male

1306
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,760
whatever and like.
Sexy, yeah.

1307
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,200
It is.
The thing I don't want but I

1308
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,640
also can't resist.
Right.

1309
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,440
It's kind of like the whole
attraction we have with bad

1310
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:29,240
boys.
Like, no, I Damon Salvatore, no,

1311
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,400
you are a murderer.
You are this guy and the other.

1312
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,000
You compel people to sleep with
you and blah, blah, blah.

1313
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:38,160
But there's something that
people are drawn, you know, to

1314
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,320
it about.
Same thing with this Doogle.

1315
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,880
Doogle is like, Oh my God, you
are so fucking toxic, but Oh my

1316
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:51,120
God, you could get it.
Like, yeah, yeah.

1317
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,800
And I'm just you know what?
Even though he's supposed to be

1318
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,640
the younger version of this one,
like you said, he's a grown man

1319
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:02,640
and he looks like a grown man.
So yeah, there.

1320
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:07,200
There's that struggle, but I
mean, it's Dougal.

1321
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,200
I just, I don't have any other
explanation.

1322
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,600
It's just, you know, one of the
characters that you didn't think

1323
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,320
you were going to come out first
thing after after in the show.

1324
01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:25,880
It's like, yeah, old Dougal,
young Dougal, middle Dougal, he

1325
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,160
can get it.
I just whatever.

1326
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,440
I think we're all in agreement
on that.

1327
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,400
Yeah, I mean, that's, I mean,
it's just true.

1328
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,080
I don't know.
Like I thought I was really, I

1329
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,520
was just so mad at him and just
how he was so forceful and bossy

1330
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,680
and just like even for Jamie, he
was just really bossy over Jamie

1331
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,520
and just the way he was.
But yeah.

1332
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:47,600
Oh, no.
He had a thing.

1333
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,920
Graham got it.
Graham got a thing.

1334
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,240
And then now this young and
honey.

1335
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:56,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

1336
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:02,400
But the episode ends, of course,
we have more voice overs from

1337
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,720
Julia and Henry as they are
separated.

1338
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,440
They have started writing
letters to each other again.

1339
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:10,800
Now, I don't know if they would
ever get a chance to read these

1340
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,000
letters, but they're going to
make us cry just talking about

1341
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,960
them as they try to figure out
what to do in their life next

1342
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,200
and how they're going to find
their way back to each other.

1343
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:30,600
I'm just like, you know what?
And just, and I like, no, no.

1344
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,680
But I mean, it's, I don't know,
it's hard.

1345
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:37,080
It's hard to imagine them 'cause
even once they get they find

1346
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:42,800
each other, he's gonna have to
steal her back, 'cause I don't

1347
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,760
feel like Laura Levitz gonna
give her up, right?

1348
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,480
Even though he says this is my
wife.

1349
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,880
Right this is literally my wife
y'all stole but I feel like

1350
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,600
they're not gonna just.
Right.

1351
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,800
I'm scared, I'm scared is all
I'm saying.

1352
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,080
And then I've seen this last
episode and something that I

1353
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:05,200
thought was going to have me
happen and I said, oh, OK, so.

1354
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:06,360
Yeah.
What?

1355
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,520
What?
I'm just hurry up, Michelle.

1356
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,200
We got things to talk about.
We got things to talk about.

1357
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,880
Yep.
But who?

1358
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,720
OK, so.
Yeah, 'cause the next episode

1359
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:23,520
starts with a bang.
That whole episode is bang.

1360
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,000
I was like wait.
That whole episode is bang.

1361
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,680
Yeah, yeah.
It starts out and I was just

1362
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:34,160
like, oh, we're there.
Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll.

1363
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,480
We'll talk about that because I
had some, I had some words.

1364
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:39,960
I was cussing some folks out at
the beginning of the next.

1365
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:47,360
So so we'll talk about it.
Let's see you ladies have any

1366
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:49,160
final thoughts about this
episode?

1367
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,680
Trying to think is there
anything else that we can talk

1368
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:57,800
about but I feel like.
Again, enjoying it.

1369
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,760
The writing is great.
Yeah.

1370
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:02,440
I don't know.
I did.

1371
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:04,840
I really.
I really love this this love

1372
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:10,160
story right here.
Yeah, definitely.

1373
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:16,000
Yeah, I just.
I definitely really love now.

1374
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,200
Yeah, you're right.
Such a way to stay in the house

1375
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:25,040
curb.
I just really love Julian

1376
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,600
Henry's portion because it's
funny because I thought I I

1377
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:35,880
Frank in in in Claire's story, I
was my least favorite part of

1378
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,480
Outlander because I was so
obsessed with her being with Red

1379
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:40,480
Jamie, right?
Like I was.

1380
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,240
But in this story, I'm more
obsessed.

1381
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,000
Julia Henry's story, I don't
know.

1382
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,240
I didn't think I would like them
and like the way I, you know, I

1383
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,200
thought I was going to be about
Brian and Ellen.

1384
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,720
But I thought the same thing.
That's why I'm like, I, I love

1385
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,160
how they did that.
So yeah.

1386
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:58,880
Like I fall in love with them,
falling in love and.

1387
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,200
I OK.
Right.

1388
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,120
And then?
Those unknown portion because of

1389
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,920
the fact that like we know where
Brian and Ellen's story end,

1390
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,120
like we know that Ellen dies
young.

1391
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,680
We know that, you know, we know
what happens to Brian and then

1392
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:18,720
we get, you know, the tale of
their children after that with

1393
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,800
Claire's parents, we don't know
what to expect.

1394
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:27,200
So it's it's one of those things
where it's a familiar story, but

1395
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,000
it's also very fresh because we
don't know anything about these

1396
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,120
characters.
We don't we, you know, up until

1397
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,960
the last episode, we didn't know
anything about their

1398
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,120
personalities.
We didn't know, like, I mean,

1399
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,520
Claire's parents could have very
easily just been two people who

1400
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:45,280
were stuck together because a
lot of those marriages back

1401
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:49,480
then, it's like they're either
arranged marriage or they're

1402
01:20:49,480 --> 01:20:52,120
forced.
You know, it's not like a lot of

1403
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:55,440
people back then actually got
it, got married because they

1404
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:59,320
were in love.
So, so finding out that

1405
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,840
information, knowing that her
parents were very much deeply in

1406
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,520
love and you know, they doted on
her.

1407
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,440
Even, you know, Henry was
saying, well, you know, I'm kind

1408
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:10,720
of worried about her learning
about this new baby because

1409
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,920
she's been our whole world.
You know, they have that kind of

1410
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,040
devotion to their to their
family, to their child.

1411
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,800
We know that they're close to
his brother because even in the

1412
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,880
letters before they met each
other, she asked about them.

1413
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:25,440
Have you heard from your brother
Lamb?

1414
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:28,600
Has he discovered a new, you
know, Egyptian pharaoh?

1415
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,840
So they have that close bond of
family.

1416
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,680
And I think that's another great
thing for us to be able to lean

1417
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:39,760
into with their story because
again, sometimes when it comes

1418
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:44,680
to these older marriages and
relationships from back then,

1419
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,280
there is not a lot of love and
passion.

1420
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,120
I mean, we even see that with
the Outlander series with the

1421
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,200
other married couples or the
other couples that we see that

1422
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,280
are not Claire and Jamie or
Rodger and Brianna.

1423
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,240
There really isn't a lot of
passion between those except for

1424
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:04,320
maybe Arch and Medina.
Even as an older couple, you

1425
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,320
could see the love and devotion
that they had with each other.

1426
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,240
So I think that's one of the
lovely things about following

1427
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,920
Claire's parents.
We get to literally start from

1428
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,200
scratch.
And and their love is very

1429
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,640
passionate.
It is it is it ain't it ain't

1430
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,160
Jamie and Claire wedding night
passion but.

1431
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,440
No, that fucker was intense
though.

1432
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:27,520
We.
Didn't have that kind of, we

1433
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,520
didn't have that kind of time
because what that first episode

1434
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,720
of, I mean, the first season of
Outlander was 13 episodes.

1435
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,320
So we don't have that kind of
time.

1436
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:39,080
So we just got to go in the
show, you know, hey, this is how

1437
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,040
we do it.
But also they had a chance to

1438
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,120
fall in love.
Claire and Jamie really didn't.

1439
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,920
No, but you can tell the
emotions in it.

1440
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,640
I'm just saying.
At the man shaking yes.

1441
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:54,000
Yeah, but he but he was, he was
a virgin, wasn't he?

1442
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,520
When he was first with Claire,
Right.

1443
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,560
Yeah, Jackie was I I think it's
a mistake.

1444
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:03,600
Like it might.
Have been too, because when they

1445
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,280
were taking each other's clothes
off camera was like, I don't

1446
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,680
know what I'm doing.
I didn't think about it like

1447
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,040
that.
I wasn't.

1448
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,120
Paying.
I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't paying

1449
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,400
attention.
Yeah, I did not think about

1450
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,920
that.
Because if you think about it,

1451
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:24,680
Henry probably got drafted as
soon as he turned, what, 17?

1452
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,880
I think that's the age that they
were drafting people back then.

1453
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:33,120
So he probably didn't have a lot
of experience even going into.

1454
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,040
That.
You know, and then again, early

1455
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:42,040
1900s Julia probably would have
been, you know, chased until she

1456
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:43,960
got married.
But of course, this is the man

1457
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,240
that she's been writing with,
falling in love with.

1458
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,240
She probably was like, OK, we
could die tomorrow.

1459
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:50,600
I'm, I'm gonna get this over
with.

1460
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,360
I'm gonna do this.
It's going down.

1461
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,720
Yeah, that came in.
There was like, come on, Sir.

1462
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,320
And plus, what what did he say?
He said are he said something

1463
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,960
about are you OK with us doing
this even though we're not

1464
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,480
married yet?
And she was like, yeah, well, as

1465
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:09,360
far as proposals goes is not up
there.

1466
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:12,520
But yes, I accept.
So probably in her mind she was

1467
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:14,160
like, we going to get married
anyway.

1468
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,520
Yeah, it's happening right away,
Sir.

1469
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:22,840
Right now, Right now.
Like yes, letters only can hold

1470
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,320
off for so long.
I know that's right.

1471
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,440
And just imagine, you know what?
And just thought, OK, I'm just

1472
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:31,560
saying reading a certain amount
of fan fiction or a certain

1473
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:36,200
amount of smut is always better
than any kind of visuals you can

1474
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,280
have.
So imagine this man is giving

1475
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,600
her all this romance and that's
her thing.

1476
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,680
She's been building up.
It's been a build up a town.

1477
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:49,560
Like OK, so as soon as I get my
hands on him, it's happening.

1478
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,720
You know, you just had the fear
that that he might have been

1479
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:56,240
killed in action.
Oh wow, you have the the

1480
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:00,320
confirmation that he is alive,
hold and all man.

1481
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:01,560
Oh you going forward.
Oh.

1482
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,240
Yes, and then he's handsome.
He he actually right.

1483
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,160
Yes.
Girl, you get the lottery.

1484
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,800
And with a nice voice, you know,
I haven't heard your voice yet.

1485
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,520
Oh, yeah, that's that's a that's
a voice that, you know, we'll

1486
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,160
have panties dropping.
So yeah, it's kind of like you

1487
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,600
got the whole package.
So Julia was probably like, yes,

1488
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,080
OK, Yep.
It's going down, it's going

1489
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,720
down.
So and you.

1490
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,800
Know in her heart they were
probably already married, you

1491
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,680
know, to her, in her mind and
his mind, they were like, we're

1492
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,040
together, this is it for us.
This is in game.

1493
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:39,760
Yeah, you know, I mean, Oh yeah,
that's such a romance.

1494
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:43,280
I mean, in in those days, some
people fell in love with less.

1495
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:44,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

1496
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:47,480
So that is true.
Yeah.

1497
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,480
But I'm excited to see where
their story is going to go.

1498
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,520
Yes, definitely.
Yeah.

1499
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,440
But so of course, I have to
mention it is August.

1500
01:25:58,440 --> 01:26:05,360
We are near Dragon Con time.
And as I have for the last five

1501
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,720
years now, there will be
Outlander panels at Dragon Con.

1502
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,760
I will be on both of them.
There's one for the main show

1503
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,560
and then there's one for Blood
of My Blood, which I will be

1504
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,800
moderating.
So we will continue talking

1505
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,840
about this show in this medium.
And then also, if you're going

1506
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,240
to be in Atlanta during Dragon
Con weekend, there will be a

1507
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,560
Blood of my blood and outlet of
panel.

1508
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:32,400
I will have all of the
information on the show notes

1509
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,560
for this episode and then you
can also find it on our social

1510
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:43,080
media, including our schedules.
Anthony, Michelle, Mike and I

1511
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,800
will all be on panels.
And Dean, are you going to be on

1512
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,880
any panels at Dragon Con 2?
I don't know.

1513
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:52,640
I haven't done, I haven't signed
up for anything for Dragon Time.

1514
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:58,160
Yeah, yeah, I'll be there and
you know, I'll be in somebody'd

1515
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,320
audience.
Yeah, so if you happen to be a

1516
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:06,200
Dragon Con during Labor Day
weekend and you run into US, say

1517
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,680
hi, Let us know that you listen
to the show and tell us what you

1518
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,800
think.
But for now, that is it for our

1519
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,640
show.
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1520
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,640
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1521
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,280
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1522
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,560
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1523
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:23,960
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1524
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,000
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1525
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:28,960
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1526
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:56,920
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