Outlander: Blood of My Blood (Season 1 Episode 3) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #372

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Michelle and Dina and we
are talking about episode 3 of

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Outlander, Blood of My Blood.
And we will start this off

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'cause we started talking about
this in the last episode.

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This is why you knock on
people's doors.

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This is why you don't barge into
people's bedrooms.

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Because if I was Ellen, I'd be
mad That dream got interrupted

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too.
Like let's finish give events.

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That was like what is happening
here?

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Right, right.
'Cause I was like, oh wow, we've

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gotten to this part of the.
Yeah, that's why I was like,

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man, we jumped from holding
hands.

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Hey, we all in the Meadow.
I'm Naked, about to get anybody

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coming by.
I mean, what is happening here?

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Yeah, 'cause we know that, you
know, having sex in the Meadow

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ain't too good for them folks,
'cause you saw what happened

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when Jamie and Claire tried it
the first time.

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But yeah, I was looking at this
and I was like, wow, we've got,

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I was like, OK, maybe they're
gonna go back and do a flashback

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on there.
But I was like, that doesn't

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make sense for Brian and Ellen
because that's not how their

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story is going.
So and then when he said you

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need to say your daily prayers,
I said, oh God damn, this is a

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true.
I was mad for her.

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That's not sexy at all, Brian.
It's not.

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It's not.
I was mad for her.

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I'm like, look, this is a woman
who who it is being told she has

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to marry somebody else.
So she hadn't been told yet at

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this point.
But there's a woman who

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basically everybody is trying to
figure out her future for her

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instead of her.
She got this one little piece of

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control and it's a dream.
That's why when she was like, is

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this real?
Was like wait, is this really is

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this a dream?
I'll.

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Dream.
Oh, anyway.

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But yeah, imagine finding out
that you're getting married from

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your hand from your maid
servant.

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Yeah.
Yeah, that part.

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On the day you're in, you're,
you're going to be like, you

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know, it's going to be really
announced, but like everybody

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knows because servants always
know everybody.

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And not just service, but it's
basically like, oh, everybody's

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gossiping.
Like, Oh yes, the whole clan is

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so excited at the process.
Excuse me, wait a minute.

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First of all, what's happening?
And and she should have known

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because when Glenna was saying,
oh, is this, does this have

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something to do with, you know,
the intentions of a suitor?

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And she was like, what do you
mean?

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And this was like, oh, I thought
you wouldn't approve.

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I was like, girl, you bout, you
bout to tell on yourself.

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You bout to tell on yourself.
It was she was just keep quiet.

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You just keep quiet.
Right.

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People finish talking.
Right, Right.

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Yeah, right.
What you mean what everybody

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saying?
I understand.

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Oh, I thought you.
Wouldn't have heard of.

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It you won't tell my secret,
will you?

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And she's like, baby, everybody
else knows the secret.

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I'm like, this is and and it's
so funny because she really

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does.
She really does capture the

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essence of Misses Fitz, like
Misses Fitz is the one you know,

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in the main show.
She's always the no nonsense

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one, but she will do some
gossip.

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So I was like, yeah, this woman,
she probably was the one like,

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oh, did you hear?
Did you hear?

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I'm gonna be going to the grass
or whatever the case may be.

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It's maybe she didn't.
But I, I just felt so bad for

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for Ellen in this, in this first
part, because you find out that

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you're married, you're getting
married.

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Yeah.
And then you find out you're

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getting married to a a, a rival
clan, and then you find out it's

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the brother that you were the
closest to that sold you out.

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Right?
Yeah.

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I was like, you know what?
I am so, like, I love my period

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shows, but the 1700s
machinations, I'm so over it.

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And in this episode in
particular, I think the only

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person whose machinations I
understood was Julia's at the

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end.
I know.

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But even the stuff that was that
that pushed her to that point,

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yeah, y'all was pissing me off
in this episode.

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I agree and.
I was, I knew that was coming.

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I was like.
You better make a decision which

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one is going to be Boo, but you
got to pick somebody.

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I felt it was going to happen
when she was having the

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conversation with Missus Porter.
Miss Porter?

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Yeah.
And she was like, well, you

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didn't bring down the flowers.
And Missus Porter was like, he's

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Lord Lovett son and he knows it.
I was like, you just gave her an

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idea.
Yep.

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Yep.
Which in any other situation,

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I'd be like, girl don't do that.
But in this situation, yes, she

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kind of she really don't have a
choice.

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Is it?
How do you live with yourself?

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You take the drink, you lose
your child, and then you meet

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your husband finds you and
you're like, oh.

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I know I was pregnant, but I
could drink and I can't baby

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because that that that that.
I mean, like, which one would he

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be more affected by?
I feel like, and not even not

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even just take taking the drink.
The fact that Mrs. Porter said,

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well, if you don't do what he's
gonna get rid of before you

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talking about Lord Lovett I the
No women don't have any bodily

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autonomy in these times, but God
damn.

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Yeah, like you.
Ever just stole her and now you

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gonna?
Kill a baby.

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Right, It's not.
And not only that, you sit here

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having a conversation with her
about the tea, like, it's

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nothing like, Oh yeah, this is
what you're gonna do, blah,

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blah, blah.
And I realized that she thinks

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that Julia is from that time.
So she's like, OK, well, you

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know what this tea does.
But at the same time y'all are

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so nonchalant about this stuff.
'Cause you know why, 'cause she

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probably has done it a few
times.

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After Brian, she was probably
like not again, never again.

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No more.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And probably with some of the

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other girls who may have come
through there.

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Yep.
But still, the fact that it's

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it's such a commonplace thing
that this is the kind of

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conversation you have is just a
matter of fact.

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Well, you know, you need to go
ahead and get rid of that

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because it's going to, you know,
you're a young woman, people are

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going to look at you as
unmarried.

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You got a husband that's out
there somewhere.

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You may never see him again.
You may decide to get married

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again and nobody's going to want
another man's bastard child.

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And you know, not only that you
don't have a penny to your name

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and this baby is going to hinder
you.

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You won't be able to work, speak
the world.

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Did y'all even have children in
these day and age?

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Because if that's how and those
are the options y'all are giving

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people, I wouldn't even try
it's.

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Horrible.
It's not to mention like the the

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interesting fact of like they
were readily available to be

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like drink this tea even even
way back when drank this drink

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because we already know this is
a bad situation to drink this

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drink.
It's so crazy that we've gotten

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to this point where now we're
trying to ban.

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We ban it, folks.
Yeah, from just from doing it

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safely.
But drink this drink back in the

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day like they didn't play.
I'm like, they've been doing

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this since the beginning of
time.

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Yeah.
But if if you even think about

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it, going back to like Game of
Thrones or House of the Dragon,

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same thing same thing.
Like wow, y'all have the morning

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after pill just readily
available for everything.

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But I guess because they knew in
those times, sometimes, like

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sometimes you have the chase
women who aren't doing anything

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like Ellen until they get
married or whatever the case,

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'cause we don't know what she
gonna do yet.

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And then sometimes you have the
women, like the women do mess

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with.
Obviously they have no scruples.

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They just like hey and.
They get the drink.

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Yeah, they definitely drinking a
drink 'cause that big old man

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definitely putting babies in
people.

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The women at the brothel, they
drinking the drink.

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Oh, of course.
But I mean that that kind of

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comes with the territory.
Yep with with them, but you have

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to have it has to be available.
Right.

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It's very, you know, got all the
herbs there.

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Just wait and got the pot and
she was good to go.

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'Cause even the way, even the
way Miss Porter tried to bring

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it to Julia, she, you know, she
went and got the tea off the

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thing and she was like, Oh yeah,
you mix it with the gin, it'll

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taste such and such.
And Julia looks at it and she

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was like, so you, you weren't
even going to tell her what you

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were going to give her.
She just happens to know because

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she's smart and she's like, huh,
so you're about to give me this

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now like you really think I need
to just like I could be I I

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could not be having my period
for any number of things.

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No bitch.
You pregnant and we're about to

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fix this.
Excuse me.

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Yeah, I'd.
And I'm just insane to be

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watching people's cheats to see
if they bleed or not.

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That's just insane, that is.
Crazy.

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What excuse?
What day are you?

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Yeah.
And again, I understand it's

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it's the times, it's the
attitudes back then.

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And also because we know of
Davina Porter's history with

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Lord Lovett, we know she really
is trying to look out for Julia.

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But it's just the, I hate the
1700s.

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I do.
If it wasn't for these

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characters, I'd be like, no, can
we be in another time?

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But I guess that also makes it
compelling because they have to

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figure out what they're going to
do in these times.

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They don't have the resources of
modern anything.

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And Julie is just like, OK, what
am I going to do?

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And she's just looking.
She's been watched by this one

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guy to make sure that she
doesn't do anything out of

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pocket.
She's been watched by another

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guy because she knows he wants
her and she really doesn't have

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any options.
None, but I still was screaming

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no.
Yeah.

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First I was like who room is
this?

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Please be Brian.
Please be.

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I did.
I was like, I was, I really was.

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I, I really was.
I was like, please, because I

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know he'll say no.
So I was like, please, right,

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yes.
And then when she moved over.

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You know, I had a brief thought
like that, like, oh, let it be

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Brian.
It could even be Murta at this

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point.
That will be weird though.

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But I was like, it could be.
But her getting pregnant by

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either one of those two will not
help her situation because all

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Lord Lovett is going to do when
he's going to be mad at one of

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the two of them because he has
made it very clear to both of

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them that he wants this woman.
So how you going to go back and

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sleep with her?
Which we going to talk about

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Brian and Murta, but so how you
going to go how you going to go

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and sleep with her and then you
guys aren't the lair of

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anything.
You're living under my roof and

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you're going to get somebody
else pregnant and and another

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mouth to feed.
So yeah, I I had that little

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hope, but it it diminished.
That's a note.

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She going to sleep with the old
fox and this is going to be so

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disgusting.
I'm so glad they didn't actually

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show us them them doing the D.
Although we may see it in the

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next episode.
But yeah, that is that that's a

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sex scene.
I don't need to see.

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I don't.
It's just it's OK.

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The implication is horrible
enough.

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It's bad enough we had to see
him go to the bathroom.

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Oh my gosh.
Not just see, we heard.

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It I know that's that's the
worst part right there.

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Oh my God, that was like come on
bro.

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And they just sitting there
giving him the daily report like

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it ain't nothing like and then
she's she's cleaning that toilet

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later.
On yes, she is.

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I was just like, you know what?
I just, I'm good, right?

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Right.
God, thank God we're not from

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that time 'cause I wouldn't
survive.

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I've been going to look for
Please please I here's all the

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gemstones.
Can you take a fake 1?

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I don't care.
Just Get Me Out of here.

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I can't.
I can't.

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And I know some of it.
When we see some of the stuff,

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it looks romantic, but the
practical stuff, even even in

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the later times when Claire and
Brianna are there, you know

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they're there from like the mid
1700s or Claire is at least.

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And then going into the 1800s,
it's still not much better.

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Little bit, but not much.
I mean, just come on.

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I just like plumbing.
Like there is just nothing like

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plumbing.
I'm sorry that I don't know.

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I love player and.
I fart.

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Right.
I'm like, you know, they, they

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chose to, she chose to be back
there with, with Jamie, 'cause I

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guess he can't travel forward.
But like, did you even try?

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Because it might be better in
the future.

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I mean, would you leave Jamie?
Let's be honest.

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No, I mean, I'm saying why did
they try to see if they gave him

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some jewels and see if he could
get back?

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I'm like, try to force him to go
through.

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You got some Mackenzie blood.
Well.

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You know, he he touched the
stones the first time he he

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slipped her back.
He.

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Did and nothing happened.
And nothing happened.

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So, yeah, just nothing.
He doesn't and he doesn't hear

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the buzzing and all that other
stuff.

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So yeah, he, he can see the
future, which is interesting,

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but let's not go, let's not go
into that.

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We'll be in a whole different
conversation.

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OK, so since we've already
mentioned them, let's talk about

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Brian and Mercer because I I
haven't got I I was trying to

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figure out, and I can't remember
if they mentioned this in the

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first episode when Myrtle was
talking to Brian about the woman

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that he had interest in.
Did he ever mention Ellen

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McKenzie name?
Because I don't think he did.

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He did.
In the first, in the beginning,

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he said how beautiful.
I think he said how beautiful

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she was and, and that he but I
well, you know what he might not

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have said specifically?
I thought he did, I think.

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No, I think he was talking to
his aunt.

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I think he was talking to Mrs.
Fitz when he said that.

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But I thought when they were at
the little whatever log or

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whatever they were sitting on in
the beginning, I thought they

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were talking about that's like
he had a last, but maybe he

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never said her name.
I see.

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That's the thing.
I don't think he said her name.

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So it's like, on the one hand,
if Brian met, when Brian met

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Ellen, I don't think he was
actually, you know, he wasn't

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actually looking for love
connection, and neither was she.

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It just happened to be, you
know, they were both hiding out.

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And I think that's probably what
drew her to him because again,

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she has all these peoples, you
know, all of these men coming

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after her and then she sees this
guy that's hiding out and maybe

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she was like, oh, this person
probably understands how I feel.

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And that's how the connection
started.

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But then once you realize that
this is the woman that Murtha

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has his heart set on.
Granted, Murtha ain't spoke a

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word to her, so she don't even
know he exists.

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But still, this is your best
friend.

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This is your cousin.
It is, and that's why I also

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have two face for that too.
Because you literally, you know

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how he feels, how devastated he
was to hear that she is

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betrothed to someone else.
Yeah.

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And then when you go in to get
her out of getting married, he

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thinking you helping him.
Can you please tell him what's

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happening?
So now I have mad respect for

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myself.
Mad respect 'cause then.

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You get so grumpy, right?
It is fooling with them.

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You found it?
Yeah.

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Fooling with them, yeah.
And he still, you know, was

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there for Jamie fooling with
them.

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That part don't.
Save them, because like I said,

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Ellen, at this point she don't
even know Mercer exists.

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That's true.
That's true.

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I mean, it's true.
But this is all Brian like and I

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understand Brian is.
Wrong.

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You're in a you're in a weird
place because you've fallen in

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love with this woman before.
You knew that that was the woman

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that he was in love with.
So now it would be kind of, I

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know it'll be awkward, but it's
going to be even more awkward

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once he finds out because I
think Murtha finds out by

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accident because you kind of see
one of the scenes in the promos

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leading up to the show premiere,
you know, I think he sees them

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kissing and he's like behind the
tree.

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I was like, oh, please tell me
that is not how he found out.

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But yeah, it looks like that's
going to be how he finds out.

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And.
But he gets back to be the

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family friend, so somehow he
forgives them well.

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You know what they say, Bros
before holes.

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I guess he's like.
You know, I mean to be fair, he

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knows Brian is a stand up guy.
You know he gonna be mad at him

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for a little bit, but he know
that's his brother.

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He should have said something.
I mean like you should have.

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Said he totally as soon as he
realized that he was crying over

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Ellen.
Yeah, he should have been like,

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bro, she not interested in even
that guy or anybody but me.

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It's me.
Yeah, it's me.

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It's me, right?
But that, that whole thing,

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everything about that was just
so uncomfortable because it's

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like, you know, Brian doesn't
want to hurt Mercer, but at the

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same time he was like, dude.
You weren't going to get her no

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way either way, so it's not
really a problem.

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Because even even if she didn't
meet Brian.

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Even if their paths never
crossed, I don't think I see her

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being with Merta the way Merta
is now because Merta is too shy.

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Like, he doesn't even have the
courage to to come and speak to

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her.
And Ellen is very outspoken.

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I mean, we learned that even
more in this episode.

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Very outspoken.
She doesn't.

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She doesn't really pull punches.
Yeah.

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I just, I don't know if I could
see her and Merta being

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together, not this iteration of
them.

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And then even thinking about
what they could have been future

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wise.
I just don't see it happening

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because Ellen is too headstrong
of a woman for Murtha.

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Even you know, future Murtha
because Murtha was looking at

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Claire.
Like you don't act like a proper

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woman.
You need to be quiet.

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You need to sit down when you're
told blah blah blah.

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I that just, I don't think that
would have worked with Ellen.

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Now, he may have come around and
changed his mind, but Nah, it's

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so uncomfortable and I'm just
dreading, yeah, what's going to

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happen when he finds out.
Me too.

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Like either fight 'cause he
looks like the type that might

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fight.
I mean, we know he has a temper

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too, but I just I.
Mean like one of the.

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Biggest thing?
Yeah, yeah.

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One of the biggest things he
could do to him though is tell

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his dad that he's into a
Mackenzie though.

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And I don't think I, I don't
think no matter how mad Merton

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will be, I don't think he would
do that.

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I hope not.
No, because because he, Lord

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Lovett, would probably kill
Brian for that.

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I mean, you see, just the way
he's, he's talking about the

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Mackenzie's when they come back
and give him, you know, their

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report about everything that
happened during the funeral and

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the gathering and stuff.
And they're like, yeah, this,

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that and the other.
Oh yeah, they're going to patrol

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her to Malcolm Grant.
He was like, uh, uh, he was like

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Isaac Grant.
That's my boy.

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So if they become allies, then
the Mckenzie's are going to turn

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him against me and then I'm
going to be further along.

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We can't let that happen.
He was like, no, I'm about to

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spread the word to everybody
that she a hoe.

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Everybody look, everybody.
Damage her reputation.

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You know, he was like, if they,
if they were worried about

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reputations, they would have
thought about that before they

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sucked me in mind.
So whatever.

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Fair, you know, fair game.
He ain't like somebody really

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did something to him, but I feel
like it it was all true, no.

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I mean, we don't even know.
Like we don't even really know

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what happened with him.
Like why did he lose his there?

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No, we don't.
His other castle why did he lose

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his standing?
Like I mean, I can probably

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venture against because he does
1.

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He doesn't seem like he's very.
Say it.

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He doesn't seem like he's very
shrewd in business matters,

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Like, Oh, no, he's more so He's
holding on to his anger so much.

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And all we hear him talk about
is like the reputation and they

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did this, They did that.
We don't hear him talk about

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anything having to do with the
running of his household.

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And not only that, your son has
already mentioned, hey, the

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house is falling apart.
We're broke.

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There's nothing in the coffers.
We need to go get the money from

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the people that owe you instead
of taking this woman who

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obviously should not be here.
So, yeah, I I know there has to

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be more to it.
Maybe we'll get that story

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further on in the episode.
But yeah, I kind of want to know

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that.
Like, what did Lord Lovett do to

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lose his standing, to lose his
position and to become the the

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fractured, the old man that he
became?

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I mean, he didn't have too far
to go.

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But yeah, he didn't.
He didn't.

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But he also, I was going to say,
he also doesn't seem like he's

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always in a bad mood when we see
him.

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You know, he's in anytime the
Mackenzie's is mentioned, yes,

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he's going off, he's going to
run off at the mouth.

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But like, there are moments that
we see him where it's just kind

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of quiet reflection, a little
creepy because he's sitting

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there watching Julia, you know,
while she's cleaning.

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And again, here comes Missus
Porter.

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Come on, Julia.
We have to go to the kitchen.

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And he sees her come in the room
and he dips out.

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So I don't know.
She don't put a hex on him.

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And he's like, I'm not fucking
with this one.

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Yeah, it's something he he, he
scared.

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Her something?
Yeah, because if our suspicions

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are correct, he raped her when
she was a child and she had

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Bryant.
Now, any other, any other person

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of no, in this type of time
period that we've seen other

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shows, he wouldn't give her that
kind of respect.

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He'll just be like, OK,
whatever, you're the mother of

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my child.
But that gives you no

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privileges.
That gives you no, you know,

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special attention.
But he really does kind of act

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like something about her
disturbs him.

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I don't know if it's that he
feels guilty because he doesn't

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seem like the type that would
feel guilty.

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But I, I don't know, he looks at
her and could be because she's

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raising Brian in that house.
And maybe there's a small part

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of him that's like, OK, I don't
want my son to see me treat his

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mother like this.
But again, he doesn't seem like

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that type that would actually
care about this.

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I don't know what the story is,
I feel.

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Like, I think it's what you said
that he, she got some, he thinks

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she got some powers.
Cause yeah, even when Julia was

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like Miss Porter calling me, he
backed away.

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Like, yeah, he's like, OK, OK.
Right.

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Even when he realized she was
lying.

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Right.
Oh, I thought I heard.

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Her Oh, I must have been hearing
some things.

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He was like, OK, any other man
would have gone off.

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Oh, you're lying to me, you're
blah blah.

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No, anything that has to do with
Miss Porter.

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He's just like OK, so yeah, I
want to know that back story.

448
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,120
But again, I want to know what's
what happened with him and why

449
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,480
it like what started the whole
few with him and the Mckenzie's.

450
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,080
And I know it's all clan stuff
and has to do with like

451
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,320
properties and all that other
stuff, but I don't know.

452
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:05,720
He just seems very particularly
aggrieved by them.

453
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,920
Yeah, I feel like maybe it has
something to do with maybe like

454
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,120
Red, like the wife, maybe Red
Jacob's wife and him might have

455
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,720
had a thing and then he did
something.

456
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,440
Red Jacob wanted the wife and,
you know, and then made him into

457
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,080
whatever.
So yeah, what he wanted 'cause

458
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,640
I, I, they're basically the
same.

459
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,040
Cause Ella's basically about the
same age as Brian, right?

460
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,000
But maybe 20 something, right?
Yeah.

461
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,440
Or whatever age they're supposed
to be.

462
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,840
And so I feel like maybe it has
something to do with him, 'cause

463
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,720
I always don't want me.
Yeah, that's, that is true.

464
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,880
That is true.
Just it could be.

465
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,960
Men are so simple sometimes.
This is Yeah, they are and, and

466
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,280
petty and petty and petty.
Yeah.

467
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,280
So Speaking of petty, let's move
on to the next petty bunch.

468
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,200
I don't even know where I want
to go because there is so much

469
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,560
pettiness in this episode.
Yes, probably.

470
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,240
OK, so let's go ahead and talk
about this 'cause we all said

471
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,280
something about this before we
started recording.

472
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:14,880
Let's talk about column, OK,
because column is very.

473
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,560
I'm starting to look at him as a
little bit more complex than,

474
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,280
you know, I mean, he's always
been complex and we've always

475
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,080
kind of known that there was
more beyond the surface of his

476
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,680
character.
But seeing his character in this

477
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,400
episode, like we get to see him
a little bit before his

478
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,280
accident, then we get to see the
aftermath of the accident.

479
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,720
And then of course, now we're
seeing present day when he is

480
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,120
vying for this spot as lair
column is a bit of an asshole.

481
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:52,320
But he comes by that very
honestly, because we see in this

482
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,840
episode more than I think any of
the the first two or the even

483
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,960
the the very first episode read
Jacob for all of his doting on

484
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:08,240
his daughter and his non
traditionalist views when it

485
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,200
comes to his daughter.
He treats his sons like shit.

486
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:22,960
Yeah, he does.
And it's it's almost like, I

487
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,360
know with Ellen being the
oldest, she's not the male, but

488
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,120
he obviously doted on her, said
pretty much that he would have,

489
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,600
you know, she had been born a
boy.

490
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,440
She could have been lair.
OK.

491
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,280
I think for someone like him,
that's probably the highest

492
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,280
level of respect you can give a
person.

493
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,720
And she knows that he values
her.

494
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,440
She says it.
She even tells column.

495
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,400
Then column has to come back and
like, oh, you really thought you

496
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,720
was giving him counsel.
You know, he was just humoring

497
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,280
you.
I was like, Nah, that sounds a

498
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,720
little bit like jealousy column
and come see what happened with

499
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,600
the what was they call it the
hunt, the school, school of the

500
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,520
moon.
I think that's what they call

501
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,760
it.
And this is where the Klansmen

502
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:17,440
basically send their sons out to
raid cattle from another clan.

503
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,960
And if they can do it quietly
and without getting caught, it

504
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,240
kind of shows what type of
leader they would be.

505
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,160
And so Red Jacob was using this
opportunity for Column to be

506
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,520
able to show that he had what it
took to lead the clan.

507
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,040
However, as things go when, like
you said, when Column and Dougal

508
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,600
are together, things go to
shite.

509
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,320
That was funny.
I'm.

510
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:47,320
Sorry, they end up bringing
Column back and he has no use of

511
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640
his legs because his horse threw
him.

512
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,840
Because instead of following the
plan and going where they were

513
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,920
supposed to go, Dougal decided,
no, we're gonna go raise the

514
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,400
McDonald's and most of the
Klansmen that were with them.

515
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,520
Let let me not say Klansmen.
That sounds so, that sounds so

516
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,480
weird.
But most of the other members of

517
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,040
the clan, they ended up
following Dougal.

518
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,360
And then as column says later
on, the McDonald's caught them,

519
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,840
rang the bell, started coming
out to fight them and Columns

520
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,880
horse was startled, threw him
off and it damaged his legs.

521
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,040
He broke his leg and you know,
read Jacob.

522
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:39,120
His reaction to that was so not
only horrible, but it's like you

523
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:45,360
had no feeling at all for the
fact that your son is was hurt.

524
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,240
Yeah.
And it wasn't his fault.

525
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,640
It wasn't like he did something
stupid.

526
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,800
He was literally doing what you
told him to do.

527
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920
Yeah, And your other son caused
him to be harmed.

528
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,840
Well, he didn't.
Find this out until later.

529
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400
Because but even once he found
out he was mad at doing black,

530
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,600
he still treated column badly.
Yeah, he did, because he was

531
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,520
still in bed recovering and you
know, he.

532
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:15,280
Gonna get about that bed, dude.
Like, I broke your leg.

533
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,640
It's not like I just twisted my
ankle.

534
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,960
My leg was broke.
And then for you to leave the

535
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,120
way that you did, first you
insult the boy, basically make

536
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,760
him feel like he would have been
better off dead.

537
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,200
That's the vibe I got.
But then you walk away from the

538
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,320
room.
You hear your son calling after

539
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,120
you, coming after you and his
injured self.

540
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,000
And as soon as I saw the top of
the steps, I was just like,

541
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,040
yeah, that's what did it.
Because of course, he does

542
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,920
tumble down the stairs.
He breaks his leg even more to

543
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,040
the part where the bone is
sticking out.

544
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,960
And his only response to Ellen
when she follows is take your

545
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:07,360
brother back to his bed.
So then at that point, then I

546
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:15,080
start realizing that he only
treated come that way.

547
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,280
He didn't treat Dougal that way
'cause he was a little bit more

548
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,920
stronger, so he had a little bit
more respect.

549
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,520
He just know that he was just
sometimes don't follow

550
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,920
directions.
I and that's what I was gonna

551
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,520
say.
I don't think it was a respect

552
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,320
for Dougal.
I think he treated Dougal

553
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,680
differently because he expected
Dougal to do something stupid,

554
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,640
right?
But I think he knew that he was

555
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,560
strong.
You see him saying that he would

556
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,600
he could take care of himself.
I think it's calm, just weak.

557
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,480
Just the weaker kid.
Yeah.

558
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,640
So he took that out on him.
But then he lost.

559
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,280
But he has a little bit of
respect.

560
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,560
But he lost it and realized he
can be that dude can be layered.

561
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,640
Because you brain blame Joe
brother.

562
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,280
Yeah.
And also like.

563
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,880
Choices you made.
He had a girl first, then he had

564
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,600
a son that was a weakling.
So he was just angry that like,

565
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,240
it wasn't lining up the way he
wanted to line up, you know, and

566
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,680
then, you know.
And then you have Dougal come,

567
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,120
come around and this is
something that this is the thing

568
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,880
with Dougal that we saw even in
the main show when it came to

569
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,440
him and call him when it comes
to him and Jamie, when it comes

570
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,600
to him and Claire Dougal stuff.
Yes, he claims that he's for the

571
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,960
clan, for the clan, but he
always had his own personal

572
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,000
agenda on the side, you know,
And that's something that Ellen

573
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,320
tells him when she confronts him
with this.

574
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,000
She was like, look, you screwed
up everything during School of

575
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,920
the Moon, she said, because that
was when Dai realized that you

576
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,480
weren't fit to leave because
you're always selfish.

577
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,520
You're never going to put the
clan above your own selfish

578
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:03,080
needs.
And so, I mean, you go back to

579
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,880
the first episode when Jacob is
talking to Ellen.

580
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,400
He was like 1's a cripple and
one is, you know.

581
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,280
One can't think.
One can't think like column.

582
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,440
Column obviously does have a
mind to strategize.

583
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,880
He does know how to look at
certain things, but also he's

584
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,880
also small minded and in a
sense, because he's only looking

585
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,080
at things from a certain point
of view, it doesn't matter how

586
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,760
it's going to affect anybody
else.

587
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,239
You're just looking at OK, clan,
clan, clan, but you're not

588
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,040
thinking about the outside
factors, which is what Ellen

589
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,880
points out when she has her
conversation with him.

590
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,639
She was like, OK, yes, so you
and do are sitting here fighting

591
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,639
at each other.
And while you're doing that,

592
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,719
McKinney is going around getting
supporters.

593
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,840
Yep.
So instead of having the

594
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,760
combined pool of supporters that
you would have under the

595
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,600
McKenzie clan, now you've
divided everyone and McKinney is

596
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,640
just like oh OK, I'm going to be
able to step in here and then

597
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,120
you're doing the dumb stuff.
Column gives.

598
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,280
He gives his word that Ellen is
going to be patrol to Malcolm

599
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,480
Grant if they back him.
And then Dougal has this

600
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,600
reassuring conversation with
with Ellen.

601
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,760
Like yeah, he's doing this and
he doesn't even have the right

602
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,400
to do this 'cause he's not
there.

603
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,960
And then not 2 minutes later you
doing.

604
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,120
It you doing it you.
Promising her to someone who is

605
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,160
a Jacobite because you want the
Jacobites to to fall behind you.

606
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,800
Because apparently Red Jacob was
also a staunch Jacobite

607
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,040
supporter.
I was just like, you know what?

608
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,440
The fact that they just won,
they just playing with her life

609
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,000
and and and telling her like,
oh, this is your lot of life,

610
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,960
you have to deal with this.
Like with column.

611
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,320
She was like, we used to be
close.

612
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,080
Why are you doing this to me?
He was like, look, you just need

613
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,640
to be doing what's best for the
clan.

614
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,360
He was like, yeah, I'm we're all
we're responsible for.

615
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,280
For your whole level of comfort
that you've grown accustomed to

616
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,320
living to.
That's hard to say.

617
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,360
You didn't even you didn't even
earn any of this.

618
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:29,480
No, like your daddy died not not
even naming an heir because

619
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,840
neither one of y'all were up to
par neither one.

620
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,320
I have this attitude like it's
you and you're going to make the

621
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,080
best decisions, and that
includes whatever decisions you

622
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,200
make for Ellen.
Yeah, Column was getting on my

623
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,040
nerves in this one, but I'm
going to tell you somebody else

624
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,480
Petty that was getting on my
nerves.

625
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,240
I should have known it.
The pasta.

626
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,240
Oh, Jacosta.
Jacosta.

627
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,600
This.
Shit is sitting there.

628
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,320
She's giving Ellen the news
about oh, yeah, so Dougal,

629
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,920
Dougal promised you to make
Rana, blah, blah, blah, blah,

630
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,200
blah.
And the way that she's saying it

631
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,840
to her is almost like, yeah, you
thought you were going to get

632
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,600
out of this, but yeah, you going
to, you going to have to come

633
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,200
down here in the slums with us.
Like, why are you happy about

634
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,680
this?
I get jealousy, but it's just

635
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,920
the way that she says things.
And this was even with older

636
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Jacosta when it came to like
Brianna and Rodger and some of

637
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,840
the machinations that she did
use a use a conniving little

638
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:39,520
wench.
And I just loved watching her

639
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,240
realization of everything just
kind of unfold when they had the

640
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:48,480
gathering and they realized, oh,
Ellen, you was the one who

641
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,320
orchestrated this.
Her face was so salty.

642
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,360
And I was just like, Yep, drink
it in, drink it in.

643
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,120
She.
Learned a lot.

644
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,040
But I'm glad, I'm glad they have
the other sister Janet.

645
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,720
Cause Janet was like, is this
your brainstorm?

646
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,080
Like, did you do this?
She was like, no, I think Ned

647
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,920
was the one who, you know,
confirmed the legality.

648
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,000
She was like, nice work.
So you see, Janet has the

649
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,200
respect for her.
She was like, I think, you know,

650
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,920
in a way, she probably respects
the fact that Ellen has been

651
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:25,000
able to control her own
narrative up to this point.

652
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,800
She wasn't forced to marry.
She wasn't forced to do this,

653
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,280
you know, and I think she
respects her, but on the same at

654
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,040
the same time, that's why
Jacosta is so jealous of her for

655
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,520
the same reason.
But I tell you then Mackenzie's

656
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,720
they they they's a petty bunch.
I just need to know to know what

657
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:48,880
the Mama was like.
That's what I need.

658
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,200
I need to know what the Mama was
like.

659
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,120
Yeah, that would be, yeah.
Because that I do find it

660
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,080
interesting that they don't show
any flashbacks for her in it at

661
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,040
all at all.
Like, you know, so I wonder what

662
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,480
to how like how far back did she
die?

663
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:13,080
Cause yeah, so they had to been.
Well, whatever old.

664
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,960
The the whatever that the the
school of the moon stuff she

665
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,440
must.
So she was gone before then.

666
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,160
But then how far before that was
she gone?

667
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:28,520
She probably.
She OK, knowing what we know

668
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,600
about this time and a lot of the
stories that we hear associated

669
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,720
with this, with this particular
story, these characters, chances

670
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,080
are she died in childbirth.
Because I know I did see that

671
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,160
they, they have more than five
children, but I, I only paid

672
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,320
attention to the to the ones
that we see in the show.

673
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,080
So I didn't go back and look at
the history of any other

674
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,480
children.
But she probably died in

675
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,200
childbirth, probably while they
were all still very young

676
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,840
because they don't even really
mention her, I think.

677
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:06,000
And Jacob mentioned her once and
then that's, that's it.

678
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,200
But yeah, so I just, I, I don't
know, I mean, maybe.

679
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,160
Maybe it wouldn't have mattered
because I'm like, OK, I wonder

680
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,080
if it would have mattered if she
was alive if he would have

681
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,040
treated them differently.
But no, because most of the men

682
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,720
in this time, they are assholes
to their children and that's

683
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,000
girls or boys.
But I mean, we don't even in the

684
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,840
flashbacks that we've seen, and
I understand we're seeing

685
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,920
Ellen's flashbacks, but we don't
get any kind of sense of any

686
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,280
relationship that he had with
Jacosta and Janet.

687
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,400
And, and it could be that it's
because the mom is gone and

688
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:49,480
maybe she reminds him of his
wife and that's why they have

689
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,400
'cause you gonna.
That tends to happen, right?

690
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,720
So if the if mom was sitting
around, he may not have the same

691
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:03,960
relationship.
Yeah, with her, yeah, that is

692
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,120
true.
And I also wonder because

693
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,720
they're so obsessed with heirs
and stuff like that is like he

694
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,160
he fell in love with his first
child because it was his first

695
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,040
child and then Ellen was like
the wife or whatever then.

696
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,000
But then he might not have had
really any relationship with any

697
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,600
other kids really after, you
know, because they maybe he just

698
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,760
wasn't like all he really cared
about was an heir.

699
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,760
And once there was an airborne,
which would have been what

700
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,760
column, right?
He probably was just like, OK,

701
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,680
there's my heir.
This is this, but this is my

702
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,640
favorite because she's my first.
And then he probably just was

703
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:40,440
like F them kids until Colin got
hurt and then he was like oh

704
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,560
wait, thank God I got another
son, you know what I mean?

705
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,240
But like I feel like he probably
just didn't even care about any

706
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,520
of them.
But you know, you, you, you

707
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,960
notice that with most of these
families, like in these older

708
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,200
times, even even a little bit
later, but still old.

709
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,080
I'm and I'm thinking
specifically about the tutors

710
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,080
because the tutors, like clips
of that show have been showing

711
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,360
up in my Facebook feed for like
the last three weeks.

712
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,160
I'm like, I just did a rewatch.
I don't need to do another one,

713
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,680
but maybe I do.
But even with that, the way that

714
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,960
King Henry treated Lady Mary,
you know, she was and of course

715
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,800
that's probably different
because she they're royalty.

716
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,560
But in Scotland, the layers are
almost like royalty in a sense.

717
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,200
So it's kind of like, you know,
you, you don't really have hands

718
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,200
on experience with bringing them
up.

719
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,560
And then of course, you know,
Henry the Eighth, you know,

720
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,920
every time he got a new wife, he
just kind of demoted his

721
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,880
children.
So but you know, it's just they

722
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,120
don't do their children like
they do here or, or in this

723
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,440
time.
You know, it.

724
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,600
It really is about the air.
It really is about legacy.

725
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:59,480
And, you know, that's kind of
sad because, OK, we talk about

726
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,480
this all the time.
These characters need some

727
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,880
therapy.
They need some therapy because

728
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,720
they have been treated shitty
their entire lives just because

729
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,360
what?
You wasn't the first.

730
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,480
You're a boy, but you weren't
the first born or, you know,

731
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,560
but.
But then again, this is also in

732
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,280
the same time when women were
being blamed for that.

733
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:19,800
Yes.
So.

734
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,640
Yeah, but yeah, I'm we're not
going to linger too much longer

735
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,760
on them.
But they're petty.

736
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,640
They're petty.
But Ellen, she's she's going on

737
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,200
her her fact finding mission.
She's finding out the stuff

738
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,960
about column, She's finding out
the stuff about Dougal, she's

739
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,640
finding out about McKinney.
And her brain is working.

740
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,600
And she was like, OK, there has
to be something in this to where

741
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,440
we can turn it around.
And so she has her conversations

742
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,640
with both her brothers, kind of
pointing out their weaknesses.

743
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:59,920
And then, you know, I, I kind of
felt in a sense, I, I felt a

744
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:04,680
little bit sorry for column when
she was like, I was the one that

745
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,840
took care of you, Like, your
body was broken and I took care

746
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,800
of you.
And this is how you repay me.

747
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,040
What?
Are you doing?

748
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:18,200
Right.
But you know what I feel like

749
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:23,600
column in a sense is making up.
I, I feel like he's trying to be

750
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,560
the the type of person that his
father would have wanted him to

751
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,600
be.
Which dude, he's there.

752
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,040
I mean, by your own admission,
your father's dead.

753
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,280
His word is there.
Why are you worried about that

754
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,560
now?
But I guess if you're, if you're

755
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,640
looking at the other people in
the clan who are about to make

756
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,040
this decision on who to be
layered, they can't look at you

757
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,240
as as a weakling.
They can't look at you as, as

758
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,640
you know, he says, a cripple.
They have to know that you're

759
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,720
going to be able to leave.
Yeah.

760
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,440
Which is that's part of me, I
feel is that he wants to make

761
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,880
sure that however his dad was
seen, even though people clearly

762
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,800
didn't like him because Ned's
like you wouldn't.

763
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,760
Really like your daddy but.
You know, I guess they respected

764
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,800
him and like he wants to make
sure that he's doing what his

765
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,440
his dad would have done to hold
the clan.

766
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,080
And he's so he I think he feels
like being, being shrewd and

767
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,160
being, you know, how, how Red
Jacob did everything.

768
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,000
So this is what I need to do as
well.

769
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,040
And you know, and as long as I I
think things through, unlike

770
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,080
Dougal, you know, it should be
OK.

771
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,560
But like, Red, Jacob clearly
wasn't the best either because

772
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,720
like, what the hell, said
people.

773
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,680
People didn't like him so.
But you know, sometimes with

774
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,880
with people in that kind of
power, their whole thing is you

775
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,200
don't have to like me, but you
do have to respect me.

776
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,920
You know, I am the leader.
You are going to do what I tell

777
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,320
you do for the betterment of the
clan.

778
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,720
And that's probably what it was.
Yeah.

779
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,840
So because because you always
talk, you always hear them talk

780
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:07,240
about how much they respected,
whether they call them Sheamus,

781
00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,080
Sheamus Red or something like
that.

782
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:15,880
We we respected him y'all didn't
like him OK, that's cool 'cause

783
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,400
it seemed like nobody else
really liked him except for his

784
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,360
oldest daughter.
His oldest daughter.

785
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,400
He's the only person the.
Only one.

786
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,440
Right.
His only friend.

787
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,360
And maybe Ned Gowen.
Yeah, but even, I feel like even

788
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,960
Ned probably, you know, he did a
lot of his stuff out of loyalty,

789
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,200
but not necessarily because he
liked him.

790
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,360
He just, you know, it was his
job.

791
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,400
And apparently they will murder
you if you don't do your job as

792
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,280
a bladier or whatever.
So Ned was probably like, I'm

793
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,960
still alive, I still got my job.
Right, right.

794
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,000
But his frustration was it.
It was so funny because when he

795
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,360
sits down and talks to Ellen, he
was just like, yeah, you know,

796
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,320
what did she say?
She said, I know you had to do

797
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,840
what column, you know, told you
to do as far as the the Grant

798
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,560
patrol, though, she was like, so
if Dougal becomes Laird, are you

799
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,640
going to make sure that his word
is kept in marrying me to make

800
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,760
Randic?
He was like, dammit, these two

801
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:26,960
like, I don't know what to do.
I keep telling them that they

802
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,440
need to come to an accord.
They need to figure something

803
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,560
out and they don't want to do
it.

804
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,680
They don't want to, you know,
they don't want to cede power to

805
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,280
the other one, which again, I
kind of understand this is an

806
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,920
important thing.
You know, that is more important

807
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,040
than obviously them being his
sons.

808
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,240
You know, is, is who's going to
succeed him?

809
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:50,320
Who's going to lead the clan?
But then when she comes up with

810
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,880
her plan, it's actually kind of
brilliant because she's the one

811
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,400
who says, OK, Column has the
smarts.

812
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,040
He can lead the clan.
He has the temperament.

813
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,720
More importantly, Dougal on the
other hand, does not have the

814
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,440
temperate the the temperament to
lead, but he does has the

815
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:17,920
temperament for war.
If war comes, column obviously

816
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,880
can't fight.
Dougal obviously will do nothing

817
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,920
but fight.
So hey, let's do this happy

818
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,360
little medium.
Column can be layered.

819
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,000
Dougal can be war chief.
And they did charge to each

820
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:35,480
other in those matters.
And you could tell Dougal was

821
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,240
even, even while they were
there, you could tell he was

822
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,320
just bristling.
He was like, I cannot believe

823
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,840
I'm letting this dude be lair.
And then he's looking around at

824
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,520
everybody else and McKinney is
there, like, ready to jump on

825
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,920
it.
And I think that's what God do,

826
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,360
going to be like, OK, you know
what?

827
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,560
Yeah, let me put on this
performance and let me let

828
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,440
everybody know that Clan
McKenzie comes first.

829
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,320
You know, we can bicker whatever
behind closed doors, but right

830
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,640
now we're going to put on the
United front, basically.

831
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,520
And it worked because McKinney
was like, hold up.

832
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,200
Can we do this?
Can we even do?

833
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,440
This.
And that gal is like, yeah,

834
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,360
that's, that's a president.
There's a president.

835
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,560
Like we can do this.
I I researched it before we

836
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,840
decided to put on this little
dog and pony show, and then

837
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,320
everybody started pledging their
oath.

838
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,960
Veterinary fealty, which is
that's such a cool like

839
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,600
experience like that whole.
The whole ceremony, the whole

840
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,360
ceremony of it all.
I, I like it and I, I really

841
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,760
like to end the original show as
well.

842
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,320
So, so that's how we get
columnist lair Douglas War

843
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,120
Chief.
Now, where that leaves Ellen

844
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,520
with her two betrothals, I don't
know.

845
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,200
But when she when she got there
and she was talking to Malcolm

846
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,560
Grant, I know that she was being
very specific because he was

847
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,680
like, and the arrangement is to
your liking.

848
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,960
She was like, I couldn't have
wished for anything better.

849
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,840
She wasn't talking about the
betrothal.

850
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,680
She was talking about her
brothers, right?

851
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,240
Because now what are you going
to do?

852
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,240
Are you going to go one way?
Are you going to go the other?

853
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,760
Are you going to be like, OK, we
can't keep the word.

854
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,400
We're just going to let her do
what she do.

855
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,080
Because here's the thing, you
know, they had to figure out,

856
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,280
especially with the way she was
pacing up at the top, like on on

857
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,280
the every word trying to figure
it out.

858
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,280
You know, they looked up there
and they was like this bitch.

859
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:53,960
She got what she wanted anyway.
But I mean, she told you,

860
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,200
Callum.
She told you.

861
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,240
I will be more valuable to you
here.

862
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,480
Yeah.
I can give you counsel.

863
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,760
I can help you figure out how to
keep everything intact.

864
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,640
He showed nursing.
Yeah, because it was things that

865
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,360
dad clearly shared with her that
he did not share with everybody.

866
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,440
Yeah, he didn't.
He trained her.

867
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,240
Right, but then you're.
So it's so interested that

868
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,040
interesting that you trained her
like she had the chance to take

869
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,960
over but didn't.
But the two that needs to take

870
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,360
over you didn't.
So what were what really was he

871
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,640
thinking really?
Did he want someone else to take

872
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:40,320
over?
Or maybe Or maybe she marries

873
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,920
someone and her husband takes
over.

874
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,840
And you know, that's what I'm
thinking.

875
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,600
She could have been thinking
that like, she's going to find

876
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,960
someone she's interested in and
then I will help raise them up,

877
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,600
and then she would help raise
him up too, to be leader of our

878
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,800
clan.
Yeah, because I think with the

879
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,200
fact that she was so picky about
that whole situation, like I

880
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,800
want to marry for love.
I don't want to marry for the

881
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,120
clan.
If she's able to do that, then

882
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,520
she's automatically going to
focus on the clan because she

883
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,440
doesn't have to worry about, oh,
is my husband loyal to us?

884
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,280
Is he loyal to another clan or
that sort of thing?

885
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,320
Because she is intelligent
enough and he raised her to be

886
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,280
the type of person that she is
to where she's not going to

887
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,600
just, you know, fall in line
with somebody else and just be

888
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,280
like, oh, OK, this person's
going to leave.

889
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,080
No, I think if she would have
chosen someone while he was

890
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,280
still alive, he would have
known.

891
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:46,920
OK, This is a person who can
probably leave the clan, but

892
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,680
it's not really that person
leading the clan.

893
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,600
It's hardly I feel like that's
kind of sort of what he was

894
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,440
trying to do.
And then of course, like you

895
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,760
say, he say he wasn't he was he
wasn't planning on dying anytime

896
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:00,880
soon.
And then what happens?

897
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,320
He dies of.
Course they always do.

898
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:13,000
Without naming them here.
So, yeah, but OK, let's talk

899
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:26,160
about Julia or Julia.
I just, I still, I just can't

900
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:31,000
believe that this is a this is
the way that women were allowed

901
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:37,360
to be treated.
And nobody it it was OK with

902
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,640
everybody.
Nobody cared enough to say

903
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,480
anything.
Nobody cared enough to change

904
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,640
things.
And then the crazy thing is you

905
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,720
got people in this day and age
in 2025, they're trying to go

906
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,760
back to that same type thing,
but we won't go there.

907
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,800
This is the we're not going to
turn this into a political show,

908
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,320
but.
Yeah, yeah, we're Julia.

909
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,200
All through time has been that
way.

910
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:04,720
We're our own worst enemy.
Right, we are poor Julia, and

911
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,120
I'm going back to what we were
saying earlier.

912
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,280
I understand Missus, Missus
Porter is trying to help her

913
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,640
out.
She's looking at all of the

914
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,480
options with the mindset of, OK,
this is what is available in

915
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,720
this day and age.
Again, she doesn't know anything

916
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,600
about Julia.
She doesn't know that Julia's

917
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,400
from the future.
She you know, she only knows

918
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,320
that Julia says she has a
husband.

919
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,280
But we we have.
We don't know.

920
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:33,880
We don't.
Have no evidence, right?

921
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,080
Where are you at?
And she's been there for what, a

922
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,240
month?
She said.

923
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:40,440
So it's like, ain't nobody came
and got for you.

924
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,280
Yeah, but how could he get me
when I've been kidnapped?

925
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,800
And so he's probably looking for
me and.

926
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,520
And probably doesn't even know
where to start.

927
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:55,640
And it's so crazy that they're
closer than than they think they

928
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,200
are.
Because when Laura Lovett said

929
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,480
Isaac Grant is, you know, he's
like, that's my buddy.

930
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,800
I was like OK, so here it is
y'all get together to talk about

931
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,480
the Mackenzie's.
Oh bring that little, bring your

932
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,000
little maid servant and Oh my
God.

933
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,920
But I have a feeling if
something like that were to

934
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,840
happen it would still be a
problem.

935
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,200
I think Henry would have a
problem because they're not just

936
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,920
going to let him be like Oh well
that's my wife.

937
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,920
I'm taking her with me because
she was used as payment for

938
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,320
debt.
So he's going to expect even if

939
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,320
Lord Lovett let's her go, which
at this point now that she

940
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:40,600
doesn't slept with them, it's
not going to be that easy.

941
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:46,920
Nah, Nah, not at all.
And then I don't know if you

942
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,800
guys saw the preview of the
fourth episode, but she's

943
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:57,280
starting to show, Said at some
point she's probably going to

944
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,840
tell him that this is his baby.
Yeah.

945
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,000
Yeah.
And then that's going to create

946
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,840
a whole bunch of other
complications because at this

947
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,960
point now, Brian can't help her.
Like Brian even in this episode

948
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,520
when they came back from the
Mackenzie's and they were in the

949
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,400
kitchen now for all of Davina
Porter's, you don't need to be

950
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,680
alone with the Laird.
And he doesn't care if somebody

951
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,720
else is around.
Brian is going to go talk to

952
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:25,800
him.
And she's like, oh, yeah, I'll

953
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,120
send.
I'll send Julia in there with

954
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,320
some snacks.
Why?

955
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,000
Oh no.
Even Brian was like, no, I don't

956
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,920
want him.
I don't want him distracted.

957
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,720
Yeah, don't do that, Mom.
Like, why would you do that?

958
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:43,760
You spent all this time trying
to keep her away from him, and

959
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,840
then you're going to send her in
the room.

960
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:52,960
And I don't know, you know,
again, different times she

961
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,600
probably could have been trying
to send Julia in there.

962
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,720
Like, OK, let me help this girl
out if he does take an interest

963
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,080
in her because that could be the
mindset.

964
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,160
She's like OK, I know this girl
is pregnant even though she's

965
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,840
telling me she's not.
Let me try to figure out a way

966
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,000
to help her.
If he shows an interest in her

967
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,080
and and takes her to bed, then
then she can pretend That could

968
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,480
be her total mindset because it
wouldn't be the first time you

969
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,920
see that kind of scheming and
and planning for situations like

970
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:30,280
this.
Now her being who she is and

971
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,640
knowing what she went through
with this man, I would hope that

972
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,240
that's not the case.
But I mean, we've seen it even

973
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,800
even with Outlander that women
are, you know, they can go

974
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,920
through a certain situation with
the man and still put that

975
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,200
situation on another female
because that's that's just the

976
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,560
times.
It's early 1700s.

977
00:57:52,400 --> 00:58:00,640
Yep, which sucks, but I mean, I
don't know, maybe in her own way

978
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,880
she's trying to help her out
because the first time Julia is

979
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:09,040
in the dining room with them,
she's with him and Brian and

980
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,640
Martha and Julia was like, well,
Brian and Martha were right

981
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:13,840
there.
She was like, it don't matter.

982
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,000
No, you don't care.
He he, he does not know he he

983
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,800
will take what he wants.
Don't be alone in the room with

984
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,440
him.
What she really means is don't

985
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,880
be alone in the room with him
without me, because I'm the only

986
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:33,520
thing that he apparently scared.
Of I would have been under her

987
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,800
skirts.
Yeah, all big time.

988
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,880
I need help.
Can you stand by me while I

989
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,920
clean this toilet please?
Can I sleep in your room

990
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,680
tonight?
Right, right.

991
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,160
Because I'm, I'm almost, I'm
like, actually kind of surprised

992
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,560
that Lord Lovett hasn't snuck
into her room yet.

993
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:52,760
Yep.
Me too.

994
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,560
That's for him to be like I have
needs and whatever.

995
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,560
Oh.
OK, dirty old man.

996
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:07,480
Oh, but that last letter that
she wrote to Henry where she was

997
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,960
basically talking about her
circumstances and her situation,

998
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,920
I was like, I started feeling at
that point, especially when she

999
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,640
started walking out and she was
holding her stomach and she was

1000
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,920
crying.
I was like, please don't let her

1001
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,480
lose this baby.
But at the same time, it's kind

1002
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,720
of like we don't know what's
going to happen with her.

1003
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,120
That might be the best thing for
her not to be pregnant right now

1004
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,600
in the set.
They are.

1005
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,080
They are right around 7/17/15
because that's the year the Red

1006
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,200
Jacob died.
OK, that might be the best thing

1007
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,960
for her, but you still don't
want that to happen.

1008
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,440
But then when she wrote the
letter, she went through all the

1009
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,120
trouble to write the letter.
And then she put it in the fire.

1010
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,040
And then she looked up and I was
like, wait, her hair is done, is

1011
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,560
loose.
She's got on.

1012
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,960
Like I was like, Julia, don't do
what I think you're about to do.

1013
00:59:58,640 --> 00:59:59,920
Don't do it.
Don't do it.

1014
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,160
Oh, don't.
So like.

1015
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,000
No, I know, I know.
But I get it.

1016
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,800
I understand.
It's just that's that

1017
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,920
conversation when they have to
talk about this later, it's

1018
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,400
gonna be interesting.
Yeah.

1019
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,000
Yeah, not looking forward to.
It Yeah, no, I, you know, I had

1020
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,760
it in the mind of it's gonna be
something similar to like the

1021
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,480
whole Jamie and Lord John thing
with Claire.

1022
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,600
So that that did go way farther
than I could remember.

1023
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,280
If she had to sleep with the was
it the king or the Prince and

1024
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,000
friends?
And I was thinking along the

1025
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,120
lines of that and well, that
Lord John thing went oh, oh so

1026
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,720
like.
I don't know what you clutching

1027
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,600
your pearls when you want.
I.

1028
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:56,840
Know he had that in him.
I love him so.

1029
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,600
Much though, but that's what I
was thinking.

1030
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,040
I was like, if if it gets to the
point where now that she has

1031
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,840
kind of orchestrated this, this
lie in order to protect herself

1032
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:13,200
and to protect her unborn child
when she does come into contact

1033
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,080
with Henry.
And I'm saying when 'cause it's

1034
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,160
going to happen, damn it.
But when she comes into contact

1035
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,880
with him, there's going to be an
issue because of again, if, if

1036
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,400
Henry says, well, this is my
wife, blah, blah, blah, blah,

1037
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:27,840
blah.
Lord love is going to be like,

1038
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,640
but she's carrying my child.
Obviously Henry's going to know

1039
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,560
that that's not his child.
But then the second train of

1040
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,480
thought that's going to follow
that is in order for him to

1041
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,920
think it's his child, she had to
sleep with him.

1042
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,080
And I just hope that he is more
understanding about the

1043
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:51,640
situation, especially since
again, in in their case, they

1044
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,960
don't even know how they got
there right.

1045
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,320
So he knows that the times are
different.

1046
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:01,120
Like you said, if if he had
refused to be their blade or his

1047
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,240
head might have been on the
spike outside the door.

1048
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,960
So maybe he will think about
those kinds of, you know,

1049
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:13,040
consequences and, and kind of
take them into consideration

1050
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,880
when he finds out that, oh,
you're quote UN quote, caring

1051
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,040
Lord Lovett's child.
And then even once they do be,

1052
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,880
they do like get together and
they try to leave or whatever

1053
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,280
they try to do.
Lord Lovett's gonna be like

1054
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,120
that.
Last ran away with my child.

1055
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,200
And right that, yeah.
I want her back.

1056
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:39,040
Don't get my.
Yeah, but getting.

1057
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:44,160
On a ship to America.
But I wonder if, if that

1058
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,640
situation comes to pass like
that, I wonder will that also

1059
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:55,840
'cause if it'll cause a divide
between Lord Lovett and Isaac

1060
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,440
Grant at this point, because
Henry is the bladier for Isaac

1061
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,800
Grant.
And he's that bladier because he

1062
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,120
basically helped them out.
He told them of people who were

1063
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,560
trying to take advantage of
them.

1064
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,040
So at this point, I feel like
Malcolm Grant may have more

1065
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,880
loyalty to Henry.
And he knows Henry is looking

1066
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,400
for his wife, right.
So if Lord Lovett tries to start

1067
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,520
some problems, Isaac Grant may
be like, OK, you know what?

1068
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,440
We bout to handle this, and this
is how we're about to handle it.

1069
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,560
And maybe that's something that
causes Lord Lovett to go even

1070
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,800
further into, you know,
whatever.

1071
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,640
Yeah.
Maybe he thinks he has a kid out

1072
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:42,800
there floating around.
Yeah.

1073
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,760
But I was thinking about that.
I was like, OK, the timeline was

1074
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,960
wrong because I was like, I
wonder, did we see that

1075
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,480
particular child?
Like maybe he kept the kid or

1076
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,560
something.
But you know, again, this is

1077
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,560
this is our speculation because
again, I'm going to claim it

1078
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,960
right here.
Julia is going to find Henry.

1079
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,760
They're going to find a way to
get away and they're going to

1080
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,040
raise their child together
somewhere.

1081
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,680
Yes, Lord Lovett is not going to
have any in any part of this.

1082
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,880
At least I hope, because that
would just be too horrible.

1083
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:23,560
And that would just be too.
I feel like that will be too

1084
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,400
close.
That will be muddying the lines

1085
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,400
a little bit too much because
that's such a direct connection

1086
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,560
to Claire and such a direct
connection to Jamie.

1087
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,320
And I know, yes, we're we're
showing the whole star crossed

1088
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,120
lovers things.
That was fate.

1089
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,040
It was destiny.
They were always meant to be

1090
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,240
together, but that's a little
too close.

1091
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:49,160
Yeah, and Jamie would have known
if he had an aunt randomly

1092
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,480
somewhere or uncle somewhere
that, you know, or he would have

1093
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,560
at least probably heard a story
about, you know, his dad's

1094
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:58,360
sister.
Brother.

1095
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,400
Another bastard child.
Yeah.

1096
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,840
Yeah, I don't know.
So something good is going to

1097
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:08,280
come out of it.
It better like she said, she

1098
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,960
wants Claire to meet her
sibling, which we know she

1099
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,960
doesn't.
But I mean, again, if they're

1100
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:22,880
using this to tie this story and
it's Outlander, it's it is

1101
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,080
close.
Yeah, it is very much so.

1102
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:31,680
When does Season 8 start?
Early 2026, so we should be

1103
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,040
getting it in a couple of
months.

1104
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,440
I'm hoping when they say early,
they really mean like January,

1105
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:37,880
February, February, March,
right?

1106
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:43,880
Like you know when this is.
Over, I mean, well, this is only

1107
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,440
what, probably 10/11/12
episodes.

1108
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,440
I think this is, well, I don't
remember.

1109
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:56,320
I think 10 maybe.
So, yeah.

1110
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,800
So they say early 2026.
Usually if it's summer, they say

1111
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:06,000
summer, they say early.
And I think the last, I think

1112
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,240
the last time we got a premiere
that was early, it was like

1113
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,400
February.
So yeah.

1114
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,600
Is that OK?
So let's see.

1115
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,280
I think we talked about
everything.

1116
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:23,120
So the rundown of things is
Julia is gonna try to pass off

1117
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,880
her child is Lord Levitz column
is now layered.

1118
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:35,600
Google is now war.
Chief Ellen's future right now

1119
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,840
is kind of up in the air because
we don't know if they're going

1120
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,240
to go grants or if they're going
to go what was his name?

1121
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,200
Mac Mac Mac Renan.
Yeah.

1122
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,600
Or if they're going to go a
whole other thing or if Ellen is

1123
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,880
going to be able to find, you
know, Brian and.

1124
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:59,000
And there's a lot.
'Cause I, I was just wondered if

1125
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,640
they just kind of ran away and
eloped and say screw everybody.

1126
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:03,680
And then they were like, well,
that's.

1127
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,520
Those things, well, I know that
they did elope, but I we don't

1128
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,840
know the details of how they
elope because again, we don't

1129
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:17,000
get a lot of Brian and Ellen
back story as far as that we

1130
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,400
know that they did elope.
They definitely will.

1131
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,760
OK.
They elope and if I'm not

1132
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:28,480
mistaken, from what I read, they
stayed hidden until she was

1133
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:35,120
visibly pregnant so that her
brothers had to allow them to,

1134
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,640
like, marry properly.
Yeah.

1135
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,200
Yeah.
So I and I think that would have

1136
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:47,400
been Jenny.
I'm trying to think, was Jenny

1137
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:48,320
oldest?
The Willy?

1138
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,240
I think Jenny is the oldest.
And then their brother Willie,

1139
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,800
the one that died, was next.
And then I think it was Jamie.

1140
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,800
And then there was another
brother who died in childbirth.

1141
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,360
OK, Yeah.
So I think that's what it is.

1142
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,240
So.
So, yeah, I don't really want to

1143
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,120
rush that 'cause I don't want to
see Ellen die.

1144
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,080
And I don't think they, you
know, they would rush it because

1145
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,840
we are getting the second season
of the show.

1146
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:18,640
But yeah, her future right now
is kind of in the air.

1147
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,479
And then what happens once they
realize, oh, she's not gonna be

1148
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,760
married to either one of y'all?
Yeah.

1149
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,240
'Cause that's the that's the
part right there.

1150
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,680
That's gonna be, that's gonna be
a problem.

1151
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,920
So glad we already know the
outcome because if I did not

1152
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,080
know the outcome this would be
harder to watch.

1153
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,600
Yeah, yes, it would be.
Yeah, it would be.

1154
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,240
It's like at some point we know
they're gonna get together,

1155
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,359
right?
You know, everything's going to

1156
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:51,640
be fine with, well, I, I would
say kind of sort of fine with

1157
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:57,399
Brian and Mertha because they
made Mertha Jamie's godfather,

1158
01:08:57,399 --> 01:08:59,240
right?
So.

1159
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,080
Oh but here's the thing.
So what you said it was Jenna

1160
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,800
and then probably Willie and
then Jamie.

1161
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,359
So maybe it takes 2 third kid
before they get.

1162
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:12,120
Back, right.
You know, I Yeah, I hope not.

1163
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:18,520
Brian needs Brian needs his his
ride or die friend, even though

1164
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,479
he's being a little sketchy
right now.

1165
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,120
But I mean, he's not being
sketchy on purpose.

1166
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:26,479
It's an awkward situation.
It was a situation he did like.

1167
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,560
He didn't go to the Mackenzie
funeral expecting to fall in

1168
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,120
love with the object of Murta's
desire, right.

1169
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,520
So.
If you're not.

1170
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,040
You.
You mean Ellie?

1171
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:42,880
Ellie.
Y'all, y'all are y'all are

1172
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,520
besties.
You see what I'm saying?

1173
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,920
So you could have been like man,
I met a girl and she like I

1174
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:52,479
absolutely fell in love with her
and her name is Ellie.

1175
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,200
But you know that his girl name
is Ellie but just pretend her

1176
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,280
name is Ellie.
Ellie what she look like red

1177
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:03,280
hair, red hair.
Oh my God, already.

1178
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,240
Right.
Like, I really don't think that

1179
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,200
in that first episode, I don't
think Merta mentioned her by

1180
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,080
name.
So that would have been the most

1181
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:17,680
easiest time to tell him that I
met this chick at the bridge and

1182
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:22,960
we fell in love holding hands.
Yeah.

1183
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,840
At the bridge.
After annoying each other all of

1184
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,720
two seconds.
Right, right.

1185
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,920
No, They really fell in love.
Do it.

1186
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,560
Papers.
In the stable.

1187
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,400
Right in the stable where we.
Thought they but they first date

1188
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:41,240
was on the bridge, yeah.
That's so funny.

1189
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,760
That was her first date.
With the chaperone with the

1190
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,240
bridge as the chaperone on your
side.

1191
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:53,400
And I would stay on my side.
I mean, even from right there,

1192
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:56,400
you know that, you know he's a
man of honor because he was

1193
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,520
like, I will not have your
virtue question.

1194
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,880
Oh, but you got her virtual
question now 'cause you put

1195
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,480
your.
No.

1196
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,160
That was a dream.
That's different.

1197
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,800
That was her.
No, I'm talking about when he

1198
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,640
was saying, you know, there's a
reason why she didn't get

1199
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,680
married.
So now, you know, you just threw

1200
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,800
her reputation under the bus.
I don't think that was his

1201
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,840
intent.
I think that's what Lord Lovett

1202
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,640
picked it up and cut because he
even said like no we.

1203
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,920
Don't know what we're just gonna
ruin her reputation.

1204
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,000
I love it is like you got a lot
to learn.

1205
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,480
I was like, but we are.
Uh Oh yeah.

1206
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:38,800
So maybe, maybe he does ruin her
reputation and then Malcolm

1207
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,640
doesn't want her and then they
try to put her off on MC Granny

1208
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,520
'cause they're like, oh shit, we
gotta put her with somebody.

1209
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,240
And then she's like, I don't
think so.

1210
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,720
She's.
Like I got somebody, I have an

1211
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,800
option.
And then she's like, well, I'll

1212
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,280
just go on and leave and yeah,
I'll figure out the rest.

1213
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:59,880
Right.
Right, that would be some drama

1214
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,520
if he does want her Rep to a
certain degree.

1215
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,320
Yeah, but I mean, it's going to
be some drama because if you, if

1216
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,440
you looked at any of the promos
leading up to the season, you

1217
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:12,000
know, it's about to be some
fighting.

1218
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:14,120
There is about to be some
fighting.

1219
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,520
And I did see parts of a
ceremony, but again, I don't

1220
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,200
know if that was an actual
ceremony.

1221
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:22,920
I think it was with her and
Malcolm Grant.

1222
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,920
So I don't know if it was an
engagement ceremony, if they

1223
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,320
actually got married or like
what the case may be.

1224
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,200
That could have also been a
dream, you know, a dream or a

1225
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,480
hallucination or, you know,
imagination, whatever, whatever,

1226
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,120
right?
But it's about to be some drama.

1227
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,400
Tense.
Yeah.

1228
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:52,240
Especially with Colin and
Dougal, just like they're

1229
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,440
bickering in the main show was a
bit much.

1230
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:00,240
Am I about to have to watch two
seasons of them going at it?

1231
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,600
Just get it together?
But you know what, there was

1232
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,760
there.
There is a thing that I want to

1233
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,960
see happen in the show.
When they did the red carpet for

1234
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,960
the premiere, Graham Mactavish
was there and I saw a clip of an

1235
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,480
interview.
Somebody asked him what was he

1236
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:23,720
looking forward to seeing as far
as his character, the the

1237
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,400
character development and, you
know, what they bring to the

1238
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,320
table as far as Dougal, he was
like, I want to know more about

1239
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:35,680
his wife because, you know, I
created quite kind of a scene.

1240
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,080
I I I destroyed the dining room
when she died.

1241
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,800
So I just kind of want to know
what that back story is.

1242
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,000
And I'm like, yeah, I want to
know that back story too.

1243
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,440
And then also I need to know
about how Hamish was born.

1244
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,840
But we won't get that until
later.

1245
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,720
Hamish was only, what, 8 when
Claire got there.

1246
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,000
That's still we still got
another 20 something years for

1247
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,160
that to happen.
I need to know because I have

1248
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:01,520
thoughts.
I feel.

1249
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,360
I feel like there was something.
Yeah, I, I think, yeah, we, we,

1250
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,840
we had that conversation.
I like it might have been A and

1251
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:14,240
a fair type thing and not just
the oh, you're about to secure

1252
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,920
my bloodline for me.
I mean, it could have been

1253
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,600
similar to Julia, you know,
like, oh, OK.

1254
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:25,760
Well, yeah, I slipped up, messed
around with Dougal.

1255
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:31,480
Now I'm pregnant and I see the
make column think that it's his

1256
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,920
or columns.
I mean, depending on what their

1257
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,320
sex life is.
I don't know with columns

1258
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:42,280
condition if that affects
anything else, but I mean

1259
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,880
obviously you know it.
It does in some sense because

1260
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,120
Hamish is not his.
So right.

1261
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,320
Yeah, we bout to get into a
whole bunch of drama.

1262
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:59,440
That's OK, I'm here for it.
Ready, ready for it.

1263
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:02,000
I am.
Did we mention everything in

1264
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,520
this episode that was worth
talking about?

1265
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,600
Kind of remember.
What is?

1266
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,960
What is it?
So let me try.

1267
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:19,280
Yeah, it's fresh in your.
Brain look highlights the dream.

1268
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,720
Learning that you have new
fiance.

1269
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,280
Yeah, talking to your brothers
about the situation.

1270
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:34,400
They're bullshit.
Google turn around and giving

1271
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:39,520
you off to someone else.
Like how many active engagements

1272
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:43,200
are you allowed to call in the
1700 right?

1273
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,480
I don't know, like, and then
everyone knows about it.

1274
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:51,000
So wouldn't it be like conflict?
Like I thought she was engaged

1275
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,720
to me, But they all know it's
part of the deal.

1276
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,560
So they realize they have to
make do they part in getting her

1277
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,200
together?
Like, oh, if Dougal is there,

1278
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,000
then she's going to be engaged
to this person.

1279
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:04,880
If Colin is there, she's going
to be engaged to this person.

1280
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,880
If McKinney gets it, then
McKinney is probably going to

1281
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,440
give her to the grants anyway
to.

1282
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:17,000
Was McKinney married it He
wasn't married, was he?

1283
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,120
Or what did they talk about
that?

1284
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:20,560
Because I'm thinking he would
have took her for himself.

1285
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:27,000
Oh, because you know what he
did, he did seem interested

1286
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,200
earlier because what it what was
it that she said in the first

1287
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,480
episode?
She said McKinney is making his

1288
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:34,920
intention on Because I think he
was the one that was like,

1289
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,040
basically smile.
Like I gave you a compliment.

1290
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,720
You're beautiful.
And she was like, thank you.

1291
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,960
He was like, what?
She say thank you for the

1292
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,920
compliment.
Oh, but it's not enough to get a

1293
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:46,080
smile.
She was like, I'm still in

1294
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,200
mourning.
Well, you're not gonna be

1295
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,120
mourning forever.
I think that was him.

1296
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,600
OK, yeah, that might have been
him, 'cause I'm like, I feel

1297
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:58,240
like somebody, yeah, somebody
wants her other than people

1298
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:00,280
that's trying to get.
It's a whole bunch of look, it's

1299
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:01,360
a whole bunch of the.
It's.

1300
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:04,720
A whole to her, a whole bunch of
dudes.

1301
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,480
Hi, I'm this, I'm that.
And she was just like, let me go

1302
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:10,680
hang with the horses so I can
get away from this.

1303
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:17,760
I mean whole bunch, but I mean.
That's what happens when you

1304
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,440
have a a Bonnie face and fiery
red hair and you're basically

1305
01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:25,360
known as OK, you know what?
Red Jacob says She didn't have

1306
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,720
to get married.
But Red Jacob ain't here

1307
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:33,280
anymore.
OK, Yep, look the synopsis.

1308
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,520
Then we found out that read
Jacob is a shitty father.

1309
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:42,400
Yes.
When we just learned last week

1310
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,240
he was just a doting and loving
father to one.

1311
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,080
That's why I'm always going to
say kids have different parents

1312
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:53,960
and different perspective in a
the same household.

1313
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,440
OK, what else?
What else happened in this

1314
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:01,240
episode?
We saw Henry for a little bit,

1315
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:05,840
of course, in a in a whorehouse
with Meg Gowen.

1316
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:12,600
But the the lady who runs the
head, the the she, she told him

1317
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,160
she was like, OK, the woman that
you're describing, she would

1318
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:17,120
stand out.
So I'll be on the lookout for

1319
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,480
her.
So at least he has someone who

1320
01:18:19,480 --> 01:18:21,320
may be able to help him locate
Julia.

1321
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,760
At least that's the start.
And and Mr. Bugg does not like.

1322
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:29,600
He does not.
Yeah.

1323
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,600
So when he chooses his wife, he
chooses his wife.

1324
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,400
Well, yeah.
What did he tell me he was like,

1325
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,000
you're not gonna find a good
woman in here.

1326
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,760
Gary is like not looking for a.
Good but looking for a good

1327
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,840
woman he's.
Like I'm gonna go wait outside

1328
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,120
and let you.
Finish your business.

1329
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:50,840
And we we we learned that young
Ned likes brown sugar.

1330
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:57,840
He do.
He was like, oh, she's like.

1331
01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:01,120
What's your special?
What you like and he like.

1332
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:06,600
You want your usual that would
be great, but you know Ned is a

1333
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,840
frequent purveyor of the
brothels as we saw.

1334
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,720
I mean think about it, he got
players wedding dress from.

1335
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:14,640
Right.
Yeah.

1336
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,520
And they, yeah, yeah.
And they, they like him there.

1337
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,920
So they really like him there.
So, yeah.

1338
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:25,880
So we we got that when I say we
learned that Brian is currently

1339
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,240
not the the the best of a great
friend.

1340
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:31,000
OK.
It's OK though.

1341
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,240
He will be better later, but we
probably.

1342
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:36,840
Win.
The best friend, he's in a weird

1343
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,680
situation right?
And it's this is like ACW show

1344
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,360
he he is going to lose his best
friend and ruin the reputation

1345
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,320
of the ones he love.
But he's going to get the girl.

1346
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,560
After he ruined her reputation
so that that that is the.

1347
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,640
His dad is going to ruin her
reputation.

1348
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,520
He gave his dad the idea.
He did.

1349
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,880
He gave that on.
Brian's feet.

1350
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:07,200
I'm not going to blame him.
However, you just saying.

1351
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,960
Sometimes you gave him the light
and he took that light and set a

1352
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:15,280
fire idea, OK?
So you can't do that.

1353
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,480
OK, I think yeah, we hit the
most important.

1354
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:21,840
We hit.
Oh, we hit the most important

1355
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,040
parts.
What would that go for?

1356
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:32,280
Oh, well, you know, I was gonna
say Julia, we just, you know, we

1357
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,040
we light a candle for her.
Yeah.

1358
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,400
Making hope for the best 'cause
right now she don't have the

1359
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:43,920
decision that right.
And it made the most courageous

1360
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,360
decision of everyone on today
today's episode.

1361
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,760
Yeah, she had to take one for
the team, but that's OK.

1362
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,600
But that one.
It's horrible.

1363
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,040
I'm just, it's horrible.
It it is definitely hard.

1364
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,720
It's definitely.
Come in and get more, my English

1365
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:04,840
rose.
I was like.

1366
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,760
Oh, that is disgusting.
Whatever.

1367
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:14,520
He's like my my manly charms
have worked.

1368
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:22,040
Yeah, be staring or holding her
back has finally turned her on.

1369
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,120
That she wanted.
But you know.

1370
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:26,920
What?
A mile away?

1371
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,080
You should have.
Come on.

1372
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:29,960
No one wants you.
Yeah.

1373
01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:34,840
But I would say this, I am glad
that it happened in that way

1374
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,000
because that means that she gets
to take control of her own

1375
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,080
narrative and she gets to she
gets to decide what she does

1376
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,240
with her body.
And I'm glad it wasn't a even

1377
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,920
though we know again, 1700s, I'm
glad we didn't have to see

1378
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,800
another rape on TV.
Let me just tell you how that is

1379
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,840
true because I was afraid being
even further back than Claire

1380
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,840
went back because like, how many
times did Claire get raped?

1381
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:05,040
Like, I was like, jeez Louise,
men.

1382
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,240
Like, come on, get your life.
Yeah.

1383
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,160
Yeah.
It's and, and, and then Brianna

1384
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:12,120
like so, yeah, I was a little
worried about that he was going

1385
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,560
to take it.
And I think that, yeah, that's,

1386
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,160
that's a good point.
She made, yeah, she made a

1387
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,280
choice.
Yeah.

1388
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,720
So again, thank you, Davina, for
whatever Hex's juju, whatever

1389
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:28,240
you got going on.
Yeah, thank you.

1390
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,320
Because he is obviously scared
of her or just weary of her.

1391
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,760
Maybe, maybe I would say weary,
maybe not scared, but I mean.

1392
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,760
He just don't F with her.
He just don't.

1393
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:43,560
That's just the bottom line.
He ain't missing.

1394
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:46,760
OK, that'll work.
I don't know because she making

1395
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,160
his food.
I don't know.

1396
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,120
I just we just not you know, I'm
just I don't want.

1397
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:52,680
I don't know if I end up on the
toilet.

1398
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,240
I don't know.
We just don't F with her.

1399
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:57,680
And we know he's very noisy on
the toilet.

1400
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:58,800
Thanks.
Thanks for this.

1401
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,360
I am.
So glad that I actually did not

1402
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,200
hear that.
Thank God.

1403
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,600
At first I deal.
So what was happening to him?

1404
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,600
And then they show him that, oh,
he's on the toilet.

1405
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:14,440
Is he grunting?
OK, All right, look.

1406
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,600
OK.
Oh, there was one one other

1407
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,320
thing.
Was it Henry?

1408
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,400
No.
Oh, I'm always going to say

1409
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:27,840
Malcolm Grant and love the name.
However, you can't get me to

1410
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,160
stop thinking about Jurassic
Park every time we say Malcolm

1411
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,320
Grant.
Every single time.

1412
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:39,040
Wow, I didn't even think it was
a combo of of the two main

1413
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,440
stuff, right?
Every time.

1414
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:44,880
And the way he said, Malcolm
Grant, I'm like, God, you just

1415
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,000
make a Jurassic.
And you know who read Jacob is

1416
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,360
right, you know.
You know what he's most recently

1417
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:54,640
been been on best kid during
from Rings of Power.

1418
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,720
Oh, yes, yes.
The dwarf.

1419
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,480
Yeah.
The dwarf king.

1420
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:02,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

1421
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:07,200
COO, COO for Cocoa pus.
Yeah, that was because of the

1422
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,720
rain, but that's a whole
different story.

1423
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,280
OK, so All right, So I think we
hit all the high points.

1424
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,160
We got everything done.
Again.

1425
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,560
I'm going to mention Dragon Con
is next weekend.

1426
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,120
We are doing Outlander panels at
Dragon Con.

1427
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,280
We got 7 days.
Yeah, but we are doing a blood

1428
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:26,040
of the blood panel that I am
moderating.

1429
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,960
And then there's another for the
Outlander show.

1430
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:35,200
There's also a panel, that
Outlander trivia panel that I

1431
01:24:35,480 --> 01:24:40,040
that we are just going to go and
probably, you know, play and

1432
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:41,640
dominate.
So yeah, we.

1433
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:43,440
Need to finish looking at the
schedule.

1434
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:49,120
I know, but yeah, full details
are on our website, so you can

1435
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:53,280
find all of the panels that
Anthony, Mike, Michelle and I

1436
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,720
are on.
I think between the four of us,

1437
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,680
there's like 27 panels listed.
So we're going to be very busy.

1438
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:03,320
We're going to have a lot of fun
talking our geek stuff.

1439
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:07,800
But unless you ladies have any
final thoughts on this episode,

1440
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,560
that is it for our show.
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1441
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,520
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1442
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,200
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1443
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:19,920
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1444
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,800
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1445
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,360
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1446
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,320
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1447
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:28,520
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