Outlander: Blood of My Blood (Season 1 Episode 4) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #373

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Michelle and Dina, and we
are discussing episode 4 of

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Blood of My Blood.
The First things first, let's

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get some housekeeping out of the
way.

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Are you guys recovered from
Dragon Khan yet?

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Yeah, I think I'm good.
Michelle said Nope, I'm not

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yeah, so I'm I I preface that
because I have a little bit of a

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head cold.
So if I sound a little weird

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tonight, forgive me.
I'm I'm I'm working through the

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start of con crud, but OK, let's
let's get on.

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Don't have it this year.
Yeah, OK, Let my blood.

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If so, for woo woo.
There's a lot in this episode I

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don't even know where I wanna
start.

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So I wanna start with Julia and
her little fake ass rash and all

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this other stuff she goes.
Smart, that was.

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She.
Smart Listen, I like she she is

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she is thinking outside of the
box and she's like, oh wait, the

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Laird is coming back.
Oh, I want him touching me.

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Let me figure out what and.
I.

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Love smart and he would look at
it like can you fix that?

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That was the funny part to me,
'cause I was like, oh, she knows

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that he's vain enough that he's
going to look at that and be

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like, oh girl, I need you to
handle that.

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Yeah, in my house.
Good, that means.

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She's like, is it contagious it?
Was funny, but I was saying one

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thing I did not expect was Julia
and Brian kind of pairing up,

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being, you know, being this
daring duo.

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I could go for more of this this
friendship.

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I really could.
Yeah, I thought, I thought it

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was really cool because I also,
you know, before they actually

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show what was gonna happen, it
made me think of what you were

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saying about like, how are Ellen
and Julia gonna meet?

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Like, how is that finally gonna
happen?

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And so I did wonder about that
when I saw how he just, he's

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really just so sweet.
Like, why is he so sweet like

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this man just for no reason at
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It's just a good person he's in.
Spite of both of his parents

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because at first last episode we
were like, oh, it has to be his

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Mama no, I'm I'm starting not to
like his Mama either I'm really

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not she's just so no I I don't
know I don't know if I want to

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say she's nasty she.
Is.

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She's just, she's just not nice
to Julia.

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And you know what?
I thought about this after we

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discussed the last episode and
especially after watching the

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next episode, I was like, I
wonder is she being that way to

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Julia just because she is trying
to protect her status there?

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Cuz I, and I think we talked
about this during the blood of

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my blood panel at Dragon Con
too.

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It's like, you know, you would
think, OK, this is a young girl.

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She kind of, it's obvious she's
not familiar with what y'all do

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here is obvious.
She's not from Scotland at least

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kind of take her under your wing
and be like, OK, this is how

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you're supposed to do things.
But no, you're being nasty to

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her talking about, oh, you don't
piss the fairies off.

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She's like, what do you mean I
pissed the fairies off?

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She has no clue about any of
this stuff.

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But what you're talking about.
Yeah.

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And I don't know.
I just, I didn't, I really

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didn't like her in this episode.
I was like, you are being kind

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of nasty to her.
And then I thought about I was

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like, OK, you know what I said,
maybe she's trying to protect

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not just her, you know, her
status there as I know he's not

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interested in her, but she is
the mother of his child.

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So that does allot her, I guess,
a certain privilege in the

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house.
And I feel like she's trying to

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protect that.
Like, OK, we know he has his eye

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on Julia, so let me just be mean
to her and maybe kind of

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discourage that.
But I'm like, you're part of the

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reason why she's there.
She's told you she doesn't

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belong there.
She has a husband, she doesn't

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want to stay there.
And you're you're kind of

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keeping her, helping to keep her
there against her will.

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So why are you being so nasty to
her?

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Yeah, that kind of annoyed me
when she was talking about you.

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You got to do the the offering,
thank the Grande or whatever.

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And I was just like, but how
would she know that this is

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clearly the first time she's
gone and gotten milk from

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wherever these ladies come from
or whatever.

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So it's clearly her first time.
So how was she just supposed to

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know she was supposed to go to a
rock and go praise the whatever

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for the milk?
Like that's ridiculous.

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But like, you know, it's like
you said, she has that that

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mindset that unfortunately, when
women are in the same

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predicament, sometimes instead
of us bonding together and

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building up with each other, we
take, we have to put the other

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one down.
We got to keep the other one

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down because, you know, your
power is diminished.

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I don't know, like, it's so
weird to me that, you know, it

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seemed like at first she wanted
to protect her and then after a

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while it was just like, yeah, I
don't want to protect.

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I don't, I don't, I guess you
don't want her head to be on

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chopping block.
I don't know.

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She's just, I don't, I don't
like, I don't like the way she's

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acting.
For her.

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It's just stupid.
Yeah, she's, yeah.

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I don't know.
And I, I think it gets worse the

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more interest he shows in her.
And like I said, I think that's

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part of the problem because even
with her circumstances and and

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what has happened in that
household with her, with him

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taking advantage of her and him
raping her, whatever the

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situation was, because we also
don't fully know what the

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situation is.
We know what the rumor is.

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We know what the likely
possibility is given how he is.

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But even even though he's a
lecherous old dude, he really

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is, we've not seen him come at
Julia with any forceful, you

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know, overtures.
So it's also possible he may not

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have done that with, you know,
Miss Porter.

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He may have just kind of feel
like, OK, this is what you can

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do if you want to keep your
position here, which is not

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necessary.
It's not rape, but it is kind of

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coercion or it is kind of, you
know, blackmail or whatever.

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But we don't know what he's
done.

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We just know what the rumor has
been all these years.

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But we haven't seen him be nasty
towards her.

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We haven't seen him be forceful
towards Julia.

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Because I, I'm going to be
honest, given what we know of

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his character, his reputation, I
really would have thought that

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he'd have done that by now, you
know, and maybe it, it, maybe

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it's something the show is doing
to kind of veer us away from the

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whole sexual violence towards
women trope.

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Maybe.
Could be or they could be maybe

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kind of sort of rewriting
history.

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I don't know.
But again, we don't really know

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the facts about what transpired
with him and Miss Porter.

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We just knows that.
We just know that she's there.

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She has a certain authority
around the house and Brian is

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there.
And now I guess with this

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younger woman, that authority is
being challenged and she don't

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like it.
You kind of wonder, 'cause she

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likes that favoritism.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Like it was 20 years ago.

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So it could have actually been
that she loved him back then.

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You know, we, I mean, we don't
know what could have happened.

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He could have been, you know,
actually handsome or whatever.

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And he could have been the lair
to show her some attention as a

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serving girl.
And maybe she just was like, oh,

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you know, and then at some point
she realized, oh, I'm not the

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only one.
Oh, he's going to do this to

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every young girl.
And then maybe that changed her

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mind about him.
So it could have been that

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because she acts very, even
though she's kind of, you can

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tell she kind of thinks he's an
asshole, but she kind of acts

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possessive over like him.
Well, the Lord the.

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Laird wouldn't tell him I made
what she's doing with his time.

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OK girl, calm down.
Right.

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Like I wasn't even asking.
I was just like, Oh my God, he's

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coming.
Back it's like, Oh no, let me go

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rub some words and I've you on
myself because he's coming back.

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Like I don't want to be.
Touching me.

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And it also could be, it also
could be that she tried to do

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the same thing of giving away,
and she couldn't give away.

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And she doesn't have the
privileges she's seeing that

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someone else is getting.
Or he could have had.

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Or because she had her son, she
was able to stay if someone else

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got kicked out.
So she may be worried that that

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will happen to her and then she
will be sold to someone else.

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Who else got about it?
Yeah, she came along.

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You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.

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But the the truth of it is
because of the time that this is

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taking place, we really until
they tell us specifically, until

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they show us what transpired
between him and Miss Porter, we

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really don't know.
Yeah, You know, and the and the

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other thing too could be even if
it was the more serious

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aggression, even if he did rape
her and we've had this

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conversation, she probably was a
a child or a teenager teenager

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when this happened because she
doesn't look that.

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She doesn't look that old,
right?

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She look like she could be in
her 30s, maybe 40s.

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You know, Brian has got to be at
least about 20.

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Even if it was that because of
the times, and I think we

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discussed this in the last
episode, really nobody would

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care, you know what I'm saying?
And maybe to make sure that her

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child was taken care of, she
kept her mouth closed.

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She still served the way she,
you know, served him so that she

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wouldn't be put out on the
street.

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Her son wouldn't be put out on
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Yes, he's known as the Fraser
bastard, but at least he's

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claimed and not just out there
on the streets begging.

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I mean, unfortunately, women in
her position, even if she was a

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rape victim, didn't have a lot
of options back then.

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So it could be just like, you
know, I hate to say it like

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this.
It's the, it's a product of the

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time.
She's probably like, oh, OK, he

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had his way.
All right.

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I'm gonna go on doing what I do
because what else can I do, You

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know?
Yeah.

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Can't really go to the
authorities.

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They're not gonna do anything to
her.

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They're gonna be like, well,
you're his servant and you know.

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And it's that thing, you know,
like their attitude about, like

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him wanting to ruin Ellen's
reputation because it's so much

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easier to ruin a woman than it
is to even do anything to a man.

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Like whatever man did, The thing
is never going to be.

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He might be killed by a brother
or father for, you know,

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whatever.
But when it comes down to a

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reputation, it's always her
reputation that's going to be,

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you know, so late or whatever.
And it's like one of those

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things when you're a servant,
none of that really matters

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because nobody cares about you,
you know, So that, yeah, that's

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that could be very much the
case.

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And, and because she's in that
kind of rare position, she is

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the mother of his child.
What however the circumstances

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happen, she does have to think
about protecting herself.

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I get.
Him.

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I just don't like the way she's
treating Julia because it's

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like, you know, this girl don't
want to be here.

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So why you know she don't?
Belong, right?

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So why are you?
Telling if she keep telling you

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that.
Yeah, really.

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But I don't know, I, I think
we'll probably learn a little

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bit more about Missus Porter.
Maybe we may even see what the

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history, what her history is
with him.

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Maybe a few episodes down,
especially now that, you know,

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Julia has now told him that her
child is his.

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Maybe we'll see some background
and we'll understand what the

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the situation is with with both
of them.

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And maybe that'll endear her to
me a little bit more.

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But right now I'm just like,
stop treating the girl like she,

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you know, stick in the mud.
It ain't her fault that she's

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here.
You know, Maybe if y'all weren't

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so keen on selling people.
I know.

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And then just being.
Right.

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Just randomly right?
Speaking of selling, look,

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Speaking of selling women, let's
talk about Ellen and Colin real

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quick.
Oh, I'm, oh, I'm the Laird now

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face.
Right.

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Yeah.
Attendance.

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However, festivals are beneath
me and my new station.

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Excuse me, I was.
Like, however I I do, I do feel

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what he was saying when he he
was talking about how you were

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so into dad and dad don't know
you.

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You see how the rest of us had
to go through some things and

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how Dad was not taking care of
the books and the final like he

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was supposed to, right?
Of course he wasn't.

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Of course he of course he
wasn't.

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She's.
But.

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I believe him, yeah.
Oh, yeah, I yeah, I.

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Think, I think the question came
up somebody asked it was like

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what do you think he's he did
that on purpose or do you think

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the column is lying?
I was like, no, I don't think

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column is lying.
Column one thing about his

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character column is one of those
people.

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He is very bluntly honest.
You know he he doesn't really

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hold back what he's thinking
even the older version of column

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that we saw, he's never really
minced words.

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He said exactly what was on his
mind.

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It may not be the.
The.

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Nicest way to say it, but he's
always said the truth and even

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in this.
Right.

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And then you can also read
between the lines of also what

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he was saying.
That's why I was basically

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saying about how you how this
privilege and you know, and

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there's stuff going on, yeah,
that you'll be so certainly

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surprised that Dad did so.
But then you say we're even

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there.
A month away from having to sell

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the family silver like Howard.
What?

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Even, but even there was like,
you know, people didn't like

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your dad.
And so I can only imagine he was

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out there doing things,
flaunting money and spending

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wrong and doing all kinds of
stuff.

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And people looked at him like
what this sucker is doing and

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they just didn't respect or like
him.

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But they were afraid of him.
Yeah.

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You know, but that right there
when he said that, I was like,

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come on now what?
It means she really does have to

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marry to save the Klan because
even if she marries Malcolm

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Grant, and even though she told
him, OK, so if I marry Malcolm

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Grant, you realize my loyalty is
going to be to him and his

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house, right?
But if she does marry him, like

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she said, they got to come up
with a dowry and that that

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marriage will help them out
because then they can go to the

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grass and be like, hey, we need
some money.

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We gave you.
We gave you a perfectly good

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life.
Which again, I mean, Ellen

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called for what it was she was
like.

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So when you sell somebody to
another clan, you're selling

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them body and soul, which means
their loyalty as well.

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How about y'all just stop
selling folks?

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Yeah, but you know, and we'll be
OK and we will be OK.

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But of course, 1700s.
This is why it pisses me off

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that people go through all this
BS about marriage and who should

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be married and marriage, sacred
marriage, marriage this

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marriage.
I'm like yeah marriage is sacred

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to the two people who are
married who are in that

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relationship and it's their
business.

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But just don't come with me
because y'all used to just tell

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women y'all used to use marriage
as a 2.

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That's still going on to this
day.

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We just happen to be in the
country.

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But typically it doesn't happen
like that.

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But it's still happening.
They still selling our babies to

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get married.
OK, like, don't tell me how

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marriage is just this.
Oh, this.

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Oh, come on.
It's.

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Happening in this day and age in
this country because there are a

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lot of people now who are
getting married not because they

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are in love with someone, but
because of what the benefits

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are.
You have people who are getting

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married for financial benefits
and and and they literally have

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these discussions.
OK, so if you and I get married,

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you know, we don't necessarily,
I mean all kinds of stuff.

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It's kind of like Rainier and
what's his name and House of the

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Dragon.
She was like, OK, so you and I

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get married, my duty to the
Kingdom, and then when we're on

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our own, you go do your thing.
I go do my thing.

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It still happens that way.
Nowadays people are like, OK,

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you know what, I make more
money, but you have better, you

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have better health benefits.
So we can do this and then we

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can figure out like, do we want
to have children together?

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Or you have some people who are
who are gay or lesbian and and

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enter into those kind of
marriages because of protection,

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because they're like, OK, well,
yeah, you're we're cold.

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We don't necessarily have to do
this, but you know, let's just

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join for whatever the benefits.
You have some people who are

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like, do the best friend packs.
OK, if we're not married in 20

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years, we just going to marry
each other.

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Just chill.
It happened, right?

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It happens.
So, you know, that's, I think

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that's one of the things that I
have an issue with, with

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everybody trying to push this
whole marriage agenda now,

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especially for someone who was
married for 16 years and who was

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unhappy for most of those 16
years.

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You know what I'm saying?
Like stop acting like marriage

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is the, the, the thing that's
going to just make everything

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better.
It's not for a lot of people.

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Yep.
Not everybody can be as lucky as

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like you and Adam or you and
Anthony.

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Yeah, that's just the reality.
And.

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It's somebody who you know.
Try to right, and then some

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people who actually want to be
married, they be like, well, we

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really don't need to be married
When we committed, we do it.

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Yeah, we're living this life.
Right together.

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But in the 1700s, those women
don't have it, no.

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You know, no, look, my daddy was
late on rent so I was sold to

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the the the next door neighbor,
right?

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Yeah.
Or just reminds me, you know,

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like 80 years old.
Yeah.

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Oh, God.
OK, 'cause when we get the OK,

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'cause when we get to that, I
think it's the second.

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'Cause I don't blame Jamie for
Mama.

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I would have done the same
thing.

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They're like, look.
And she was only.

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I think Geneva does say he was
only 18 when she was married to

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the 8th Earl Ellesmere.
She was like, I will not have my

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first time be with an old man
old enough to be my grandfire.

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It's just like that.
What's your name?

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Jacosta.
They've just, they dark hammer,

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old as snot.
Yeah.

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Jesus wheeze and corn grill.
OK.

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Just too much.
Yeah, but Ellen, I mean, she is

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kind of in a between a rock and
a hard place.

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Because on the one hand, you
want your freedom.

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You want to be able to do what
you want to do.

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But on the other hand, you don't
want to see your family come to

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ruin.
Even though your brothers, who

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are now the layers of this
family are acting like Dicks,

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you still don't want them to be
ruined, you know, because that's

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not just your house.
That's just not them.

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That's literally your family
legacy, your family, your family

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reputation.
It's what's going to be said

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about all of you guys, you know,
because as column so eloquently

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points out, their dad is dead.
So what he did in the past,

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don't nobody care about that
now.

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What are y'all doing now?
But let me tell you one thing

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about that Ellen.
That girl going to play up her

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lies.
She is going to play up her

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lives because after all this
stuff happens, after she has the

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argument with column, after she
has the argument with Dougal,

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and then she meets up with Brian
Fraser because he comes to LYAC

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to be like, OK, I just, I just
need to look in your eyes and

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see are you are do you want to
marry this Malcolm Grant person?

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Oh, OK, you don't want to marry
him.

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OK, so so we're going to figure
this out.

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No.
When she goes back and she gives

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Column the piece of paper, she
was like, oh, this is everybody

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that needs to be, you know,
invited to the wedding.

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I was like, this girl is going
to play it up all the way up to

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the day of.
I feel like she is going to be

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one of those brides that run
from the altar.

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Like that, you wouldn't even be
like, I'm surprised she did

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that.
She seemed like she was into it,

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and I was.
Right.

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That's what you wanted.
You wanted me to be.

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You wanted me to do it and do
it.

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What was a column?
Say and do it with a smile on

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your face.
Did he?

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Did he say something like that?
Or am I imagining that he did

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say that?
Didn't he do it with a smile?

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Excuse me.
Oh, OK.

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Yeah.
Here, spend all spend all your

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money on the on the invitations
and and putting this word out,

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we won't have us a big wedding.
I was like, oh, I don't know if

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I want to see how this is going
to work out.

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I mean, because again, Brian and
Ellen, we already know the

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story.
We know roughly what happened.

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We know they got married.
We know they had children,

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multiple children.
So obviously she does not marry

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Malcolm Grant.
And he doesn't.

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Blow up, this is about to be.
Right, and do we, and then I may

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have missed it, is Malcolm Grant
in or we talk about him at all

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an Outlander?
He's mentioned in passing.

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I know that he's mentioned by
Arch bug by Arch bug, and I know

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that at the beginning they
mentioned him, but I don't think

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we see him because he's part of
a different clan.

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So I don't I don't think we see
him in Outlander.

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He's probably already dead
because I can't imagine.

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Well, then again, from the from
the beginning of Outlander to

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where we are now, it's been like
a lot of years.

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It's been probably about maybe
30 or 35 years at this point,

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Maybe a.
Little, but he would be least in

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the be beginning.
He would be in the beginning.

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Yeah, almost 50 years have
passed.

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So he would have been in the
beginning, but he probably would

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have been, I don't know.
He probably would have been

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married to somebody else.
But I don't think we, I don't

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recall seeing him because we
only saw like the McKenzie clan

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when they went to collect their
rents and I don't think I

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remember Grant being mentioned
so.

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Far back.
It's been so long.

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So we don't know what happened
with him, but.

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Well, we do.
He don't get married.

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Well, at least not to Ellen
McKenzie.

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He.
Don't.

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Not Ellen McKenzie.
Not to.

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Her but going backwards kind of
leading back to Ellen, the whole

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thing with Brian and Julia,
because Julia, as we mentioned

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before, she puts like the Poison
Ivy or poison oak on her skin so

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so that she has a rash and then
she tells the lair she was like,

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well, Missus Porter won't let me
leave to go to the apothecary.

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He was like, Oh no, you need to
go and get that taken care of

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and I'm a send the scary
bodyguard with you and Brian was

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like, no, I'm take her.
And I was like, why is Brian,

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like, just offering, like, his
dad is going to get suspicious,

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Like, oh, you got an eye for
her?

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That's why I was.
Thinking at 1st and then as

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they're as they're writing and
then he and they get to LYAC and

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he's like, no, I need you to
deliver a message from me.

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I was like, oh, OK.
So he picked the outsider.

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He picked someone that he felt
like he could trust because he

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already knew.
OK, she's married.

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You know, she's not going to
come on to me.

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I might can use her as an ally
and in exchange I can offer to

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help her.
I can be an ally to her and I

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can offer to help her try to get
away from here.

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She does.
He does know that she is

447
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,400
pregnant and he does know that
she is missing her husband.

448
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:51,960
So I was like, OK, again, I like
this friendship or this what

449
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,920
could be a friendship.
But again, the close proximity

450
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,800
of Claire's parents to Jamie's
parents was not something I

451
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:05,480
expected with this show.
You know, I saw the previews.

452
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,480
I was like, OK, so she's going
to come into contact with Ellen

453
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,800
at some point.
That's cool.

454
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:13,840
Now she has had contact with
both of his parents.

455
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:18,040
So that also makes you wonder
about the whole star crossed

456
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,160
lovers thing.
Like, were they always destined

457
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:25,360
to be together because their
parents were in such proximity

458
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,600
to each other?
Like, how does that work?

459
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,880
But I like it.
Yeah.

460
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,640
And I, you know, she comes.
She comes into LYAC.

461
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,720
She meets Misses Fitzgibbons.
She lies her way into Ellen's

462
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,920
chamber.
And I love it.

463
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,840
Ellen was Ellen with Steph, as.
I don't know he's talking about.

464
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,800
I don't know she, I don't.
Know.

465
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,240
And the the OK, that's fine.
Do you want me to say it out

466
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,960
loud right here in the hallway
and.

467
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,720
She was right there, holding
fast.

468
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,840
It was when she said I'm the
bridge.

469
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,880
I'm the bridge bridge.
Like.

470
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:00,480
OK, well get in the room 'cause
you, you actually may have some

471
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,120
information.
You may actually have some

472
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,200
information.
You're in the chaperone because

473
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,240
she was really smart trying to
set her up.

474
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,680
Yeah, she was really smart not
to just be like, oh bro, you

475
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,760
know, like.
She's smart, right?

476
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,720
I don't know who you talked
about, right?

477
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,200
Malcolm is my man.
When she said I'm the bridge,

478
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,440
she was like, oh, OK, yes, you
need to come in here right now.

479
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:31,200
But post call, 'cause he almost
got his ass caught by Dougal and

480
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,120
I don't think that would have
been that would have been very

481
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,640
pleasant for him.
We will not have a Jamie Fraser

482
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,760
if Dougal had called him.
Yeah.

483
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,640
That is true 'cause he was this
close, this close.

484
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,080
Like she was like, I need you to
go because somebody's coming.

485
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,880
They literally are still walking
through the trees when Dougal

486
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,120
comes through.
I was like.

487
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,200
Thank God for his darkness and
no real lighting and like dark

488
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,600
clothes because he was looking
in the dog on forest like he was

489
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,160
why are you out here like Oh my
God.

490
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,880
I was like this.
I was like no, no, no, no, no.

491
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,000
The other thing I love about
Julia is she's so quick on her

492
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,360
feet because, like Brian gave
her instructions, like go talk

493
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,240
to Miss, you know, Fitz Gibbons,
do this and give this message to

494
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Ellen.
But she had to like the gift.

495
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Like she just came in and was
like, yeah, I'm doing that.

496
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320
Use the information she knows to
just kind of get in there.

497
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,160
Threw up.
Yeah, murder me and murderers

498
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,880
this that.
I'm like, Julia is all her shit.

499
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Like she is so smart and like, I
mean, I know she's made some

500
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,400
mistakes out of being like in
pure shock, right, like of being

501
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,640
in this place, this new crazy
place and she doesn't know how

502
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,200
she got there, But I feel like
she's doing a great job of like

503
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,960
making her way through this time
with what she got to do, you

504
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,840
know, because I probably crying
in the corner somewhere.

505
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,960
I I I couldn't handle but she.
I wouldn't make it.

506
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,840
I wouldn't make it.
Right.

507
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,640
My my survival was done when I
got sold, right?

508
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,720
Right.
And then I was sold.

509
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,360
So I would be like I I don't
really know where to go from

510
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760
here.
Right, because you still be

511
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,560
sitting there like how, how you
going to sell me?

512
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,560
You don't owe me how I'm my own
free person.

513
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,520
I'm going to get out of here.
Yeah, I'm done.

514
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,640
I'm on that scene now.
And, and they and they be taking

515
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,280
the strap to women because
Dougal threatened to do it to

516
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,440
Ellen.
And she was.

517
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,440
Julie was going to get it from
the lair and Brian took the the

518
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,280
lashes for her.
They don't care.

519
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,320
Beating you like a child.
Or worse than a child 1700s.

520
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,240
I can't No, I couldn't.
No, I'm a grown.

521
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,480
They started right.
I remember watching when Jamie

522
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,840
did it to Claire.
I was like hold up hold up, hold

523
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,320
up.
He just.

524
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,960
We doing what?
Yeah, I.

525
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,760
'Cause, you know, that used to
be that rule.

526
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,680
I mean, could be the woman with
a stick as long as they want no

527
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,920
bigger than his thumb.
His wife.

528
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:14,000
He could be his wife, no so many
dead husbands.

529
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,240
See ya.
That's OK.

530
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:21,520
Yeah, 'cause.
I don't know what happened to

531
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,840
him.
Right.

532
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,600
But then again, I don't know,
it's like I've, I kind of sort

533
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,920
of feel like for the most part,
we are women of our environment,

534
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:32,640
right.
Yeah.

535
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,080
So.
That's three.

536
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,880
On this particular podcast, we
would definitely say Ain't No

537
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,760
Man from the hit Me, whatever,
whatever.

538
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,200
I'm not sure we are.
The three of us will be so

539
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,520
strong in the 1700s.
I don't know.

540
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,440
No, because you will read the
room.

541
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Look, you will read the room.
And.

542
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,480
Not be like.
It's how we would have been

543
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,160
raised.
I mean, and I'm saying take,

544
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,600
take the blackness out of it.
Take, take us being black out of

545
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,280
it, just us being women in that
time.

546
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,240
It's how we would have been
raised.

547
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,160
We would have been raised to
think that that is normal, that

548
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,560
that is acceptable.
And that's just the way of the

549
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,960
world, which is why I'm so glad
I was not born in that time

550
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:21,200
because yeah, no, no.
But yeah, she, she, she thinks

551
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,600
very quickly on her feet.
And Lucky Ellen does too because

552
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,760
Ellen's like, OK, so this is
this is what we're going to do.

553
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,480
You know, she's in her room
pouting.

554
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,680
And Glenna kind of, sort of
knows why, but at the same time

555
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,520
doesn't know why because she
knows, OK, she really doesn't

556
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,400
want to marry Malcolm Grant, but
she doesn't know that Ellen is

557
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,240
in love with somebody else,
right.

558
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,160
So Ellen is sitting there and
she's having a conversation with

559
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,240
Julian.
And she was like, yeah, I'm

560
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,920
going to be stuck in here till
Beltane.

561
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,400
And that kind of what's going on
at Beltane.

562
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,720
Oh, I have to attend this
festival with Malcolm Grant.

563
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,960
And we're going to do this thing
about the, you know, the dancing

564
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,520
of the 100 years.
And Julia's like 100 years.

565
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,280
What is this 100 years thing?
And then she starts telling her

566
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,360
the stories about the travellers
who come through the Fairy Hill

567
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,440
and they do this dance, you
know, during Beltane.

568
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,440
And then when they go back, 100
years have passed and everything

569
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,840
that they've ever known is gone.
Julie's like, oh, that sounds

570
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,160
familiar.
That sounds familiar.

571
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,600
But that sounds familiar.
And it is kind of similar to the

572
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,520
story that Claire was told when
she was at Leox.

573
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,440
I was like, OK, so she's going
to figure out it has something

574
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,160
to do with Beltane.
So of course, you know, her

575
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,760
gears are turning.
She was like, OK, so we got to

576
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,680
get this figured out by Beltane.
And when Ellen talks to Brian,

577
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,480
she's also telling him, OK, I'm
going to be a belt and he's

578
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,120
like, bet I'm going to be there,
too.

579
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,520
I was like, now all about to
pair up some shit.

580
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,920
But again, we don't know what's
going to happen with Julia if

581
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,120
she goes to the Stones at
Beltane because we don't know if

582
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,360
she could travel pregnant.
She doesn't know if she could

583
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,080
travel pregnant.
Oh yeah.

584
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:14,000
She doesn't even like, is my
husband in or is my husband in

585
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,680
our time?
It's one of those things where

586
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,760
you don't know what you can do,
damned if you do, damned if you

587
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,720
don't.
Like I can go back forward into

588
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,080
time with my baby, but my
husband may be stuck here.

589
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,960
Or I can stay here, find my
husband, and still be kind of

590
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,360
trapped.
Because now you don't tell this

591
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,040
lie when the when the Laird kind
of corners you and he's trying

592
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,200
to sleep with you again, you
like, yo, you got to be gentle

593
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,520
with me.
I'm pregnant with George baby,

594
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,160
right?
They got to be gentle because of

595
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,480
course, back then, if if women
were pregnant, you got to leave

596
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,400
them alone because you don't
want them losing the baby.

597
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,720
That's when you go find your
mistresses and stuff because you

598
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:03,120
can't I tell you these times.
But I mean again, quick on her

599
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,520
feet, but.
She.

600
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,199
Was now she's she's going to be
in a pickle because I feel like

601
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:18,199
with Laura Lovett knowing that
she's pregnant, he's not letting

602
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:19,920
her out of his sight anytime
soon.

603
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,400
How is she going to get away to
Beltay?

604
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,760
You know, Brian is like, OK,
yeah, we can go.

605
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,120
I'm a try to help you escape.
How is she going to be able to

606
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,000
go?
Yeah.

607
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,840
I know and and not only did she
just tell Lord Lovett here come

608
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,480
Miss Porter in the backroom, in
the room.

609
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,960
Oh, guess what, Miss Porter?
We pregnant.

610
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,639
And then he said, I hope it's a
boy.

611
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:49,239
And I'm like, Oh no.
So now you know Miss Porter

612
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,280
about to be even.
More.

613
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,320
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
She's going to feel some type of

614
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,520
way about that.
So because.

615
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,320
Now she's going to have to not
only she tried going to try to

616
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,320
protect her place, she's going
to have to protect her her son's

617
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,440
place.
Which it's kind of interesting

618
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,680
because technically speaking,
this child would be a bastard

619
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,360
too.
Unless he decides to marry

620
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,280
Julie, which I don't.
See happening so that's the part

621
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,480
I I didn't understand about that
like his excitement about

622
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:23,160
another child that would be a
bastard like I don't so I

623
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,440
understand why he's so excited
and why this child would be

624
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,960
better than Brian.
You know what I mean?

625
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,080
Like.
So going back to the whole

626
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:38,040
Missus Porter and her behavior
thing on that, I feel like maybe

627
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,000
he he's thinking about this
differently because if he did in

628
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:48,920
fact take Missus Porter by
force, or if he kind of coerced

629
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,800
her into it and she was not a
necessarily willing partner,

630
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:01,040
that could also color his
feelings about Brian because

631
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,000
that was a reluctant coupling.
She got pregnant.

632
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,320
Here's the child and I don't
know, maybe even though she's

633
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,800
still in the house, she maybe
maybe those looks that we were

634
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,520
talking about her giving him and
maybe it wasn't that he was

635
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,240
scared of her.
Again, maybe that could have

636
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,000
been a little bit of guilt, but
maybe it also could have been

637
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,760
her way of being like, don't
forget, I got your only child.

638
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,720
She could be also be using that
over him.

639
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Now you flip it to Julia.
Julia went to him willingly.

640
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,760
So in his mind, he might look at
that situation a little bit

641
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,280
differently.
Oh, she came to me.

642
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,280
She wanted me now.
Now she's pregnant.

643
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,440
This is my child.
He could feel a little bit more

644
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:51,040
excitement because there's not
that that dark cloud over that

645
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,160
particular relationship.
That's just the way I look at

646
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,040
it.
I mean, yeah, that that that's

647
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,800
the tracks, actually.
You could feel that way.

648
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,920
Yeah, so, but if that's the
case, that is going to cause

649
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,280
some problems for Miss Porter
and Brian whenever Brian finds

650
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,280
out that he quote, UN quote, is
going to have a new brother or

651
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,440
sister, so.
Yeah, and I don't even feel like

652
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,640
he would believe it.
Like really, We had a nice

653
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,120
little talk on that little road
trip and.

654
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,120
You told me you were already
pregnant.

655
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,320
Yeah.
Yeah.

656
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,320
Hopefully.
Yeah.

657
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,280
When he hears that, hopefully he
will see it for what it is, like

658
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,280
a cover.
But I I don't know.

659
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,800
Miss Misses Porter.
I don't know if she thinks that,

660
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,000
too, because, remember, she
already had her suspicions about

661
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:45,680
Julia Berry.
Right.

662
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Right.
So I don't know.

663
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,120
It could be that she'll think,
Oh, well, maybe I was wrong

664
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,960
because if he slept with her,
surely he would have noticed.

665
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,880
But most men are not going to
notice that anyway, you know

666
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,160
what I'm saying?
Oh, yeah.

667
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,840
She might have just had a
little, a little belly.

668
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,920
I don't think they pay that much
attention in in this time, you

669
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,720
know, so.
Yeah.

670
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,840
I don't know that that whole
situation is just still it's,

671
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:19,400
it's very squeaky, but we'll see
how it plays out.

672
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,000
But on the other hand, poor
Henry.

673
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Yeah, that poor guy, he's just
been going through it right.

674
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,680
And D is just.
Right.

675
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:38,600
And then that and at the end
when the young lady was like,

676
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,360
like, really, you know, how can
I help you whether you need

677
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,800
whatever.
And I'm thinking don't do it.

678
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,080
I know you're lonely.
Don't do it.

679
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,120
But we just say, I can't, we
just lay together.

680
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,760
I got I felt him like he just
need to sleep.

681
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,640
He needs someone to hold him, so
he goes sleep.

682
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:01,640
Yeah, 'cause by the time he had
a Pete that PTSD dream or.

683
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:07,040
Whatever, so he can do that.
Yeah, Oh my gosh, I again.

684
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,680
I'm just like.
Yeah, He just makes me want to

685
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,760
cry for him.
Every plays those scenes so

686
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,680
well, so sad.
Like even when they're just

687
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,480
sitting at the table talking
about the lottery tickets and

688
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,160
his hands start shaking just.
I was like, he is playing this

689
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,000
so well.
Yeah.

690
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,200
And I just.
I just want to.

691
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,280
Sit there and like you really
want to cry because you feel

692
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,160
what he's going through.
This man that been through some

693
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,640
shit.
Yeah, and then when they

694
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,560
attacked him, he went into GI
Joe mode.

695
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:44,240
Right, let me tell you the way
Arch bug was.

696
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:48,960
Looking at him, that's why I
understand why arch bug keep

697
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,320
messing with him because he see
how wildly he is, why you keep

698
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,280
messing with this man and that's
why arch bug.

699
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,480
But if you arch bug, you'd be
like, you know what?

700
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,080
Can I just kill him?
Can I just like, kill him?

701
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,240
I mean, he said.
He said as much at towards the

702
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,880
end.
Of I know, but just seeing all

703
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,240
of this, you just be like, I
don't trust him.

704
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:09,840
I don't know what's saying like.
He's in danger, like we need to

705
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,480
get rid of him.
Like.

706
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,120
We in danger, Molly, We in
danger.

707
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,000
But you were the one who brought
him in.

708
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,000
Yeah, but we didn't know he was
like this.

709
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Now he, he, he, he quick on his
feet, right mentally and

710
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,160
physically.
So you know.

711
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,600
Sassanac.
He's just, you know, little

712
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,600
smart little nerdy Sassanac.
Oh, no, wait.

713
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,760
He's a soldier.
But you know, I'm, I'm sitting

714
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,720
here wondering about the
possibility 'cause I'm like, on

715
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:44,160
the one hand, I would really
like to see Henry and Arch go at

716
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,800
it just because I'm so sick of
Arch and his smugness.

717
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:57,360
Ain't he a little like he?
He really does remind me of the

718
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,760
the latter arch bug that we saw,
not the one that was there and

719
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,960
he was, you know, loyal to the
Fraser's.

720
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,640
But everything from the moment
that gold was fine, I was like,

721
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,520
he did a 180 and I was like, who
are you and why have we liked

722
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,160
you all this time 'cause you are
in the ass, Sir.

723
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,440
Yeah.
This is that.

724
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,440
That's the Archbug we're seeing
right now.

725
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,720
I really kind of want him and
Henry to go at it.

726
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,000
But then I thought about, I was
like, no, because Archbug is the

727
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,960
type of person he will kill a
person and not think twice about

728
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,560
it.
And I don't want to think that

729
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,600
that could be what in what
happens to Henry.

730
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,440
Like you think about Julia may
never find him because of that,

731
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,200
or that could be the reason why
they never went back.

732
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,640
I don't want to think that
Archbug has something to do with

733
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,080
his death.
Oh my God, Can you imagine?

734
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,240
She just stuck her husband.
Did she just?

735
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,120
Oh, girl.
No, ma'am.

736
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,600
No, Sir.
And then think about the future

737
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,640
repercussions.
The fact that the male who

738
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,360
killed your father was actually
living with you for years.

739
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,480
Probably didn't know.
Of course didn't know it,

740
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,480
because he doesn't know anything
about Claire.

741
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,600
I think him and Missus Buck had
some suspicions but didn't know.

742
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,800
But if you think about it, but
again, this show and the

743
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,840
repercussions that it will have
for the future show, that would

744
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,320
be crazy.
If Arch Bug actually kills Henry

745
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,520
and then later on he's like
serving in the household of

746
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,240
Claire, that would be crazy.
That would be crazy.

747
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,440
But I'm not going to think that
because I don't want to think of

748
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,040
Henry dead.
So we just going to leave that

749
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,080
alone.
But Henry, OK, here's another

750
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,280
one.
He's quick on his feet.

751
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,600
Isaac Grant sent sends him to go
not only collect the rents, but

752
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,640
oh, yeah, you going to raise the
rent as well?

753
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,160
And you're not going to tell him
why it's raised?

754
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,480
You just going to let them?
You just going to let them know

755
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,720
that that's the service that
they can do for their their

756
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:00,480
lair?
You just going to raise my rent

757
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,960
and not tell me why?
And then you feel like he just

758
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,000
did that just to test Henry?
Or was that literally him just

759
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,320
being an asshole and raising the
rent?

760
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,640
I don't know, I just feel like
there was something in there.

761
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,400
Being an asshole.
I'm about to say him being an

762
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,680
asshole because.
Who did like that's so messed

763
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,760
up.
They don't need the money, but

764
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,960
we just don't take it anyway.
OK, and and see, This is why I

765
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,160
said I feel like it's just him
being an asshole because the way

766
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,320
that Henry ends up raising the
rent, you know, same thing that

767
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,320
we saw in the regular Outlander.
Some of these people don't have

768
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,640
enough to get by, much less pay
their regular rent.

769
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,920
And then an extra shilling on
top of that.

770
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,920
Like, the woman who had four
kids was pregnant with another

771
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,840
one.
Her husband died, and all she

772
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:54,040
had to give was honey.
So when Henry starts, when we

773
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,640
see their flashback and he's
thinking about the lottery

774
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,720
system, how they put it
together, and they have this

775
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,880
whole discussion about how it
can help people, how it can give

776
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,320
people hope.
He's like, OK, this is what I'm

777
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,000
going to do for the rents.
He was like, OK, for those of

778
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,560
you who can't pay your full
rent, you pay what you can.

779
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,000
For those who can pay, if you
want to pay a little bit extra,

780
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,920
we're going to put you into this
lottery system.

781
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,760
And there's going to be a
winner, and the winner won't

782
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,120
have to pay rent for a year.
So Arch bug, of course, he's

783
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,920
like, what are you doing?
Everybody has to pay the rent.

784
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,720
He was like, if people can't pay
the rent and the people who can

785
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,800
pay it make up the difference,
what difference does it make?

786
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,840
The money is going to be there,
of course, all that

787
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,440
sophisticated.
So he's like, I don't

788
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,400
understand.
OK, just watch and see.

789
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,760
And by the time Henry gets done
with all of this, he's raised.

790
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,160
What'd he say?
Twice?

791
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Right.
Because you want to win the

792
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,200
prize shoe.
Everyone's putting in all kind

793
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,160
of money so they can win a whole
year.

794
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,080
So you've you've literally
doubled the rent, not just

795
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,200
increased it, you've brought
your employer double what he was

796
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,520
supposed to get.
But Isaac Grant doesn't like

797
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,800
that industry.
I'm like, what does it matter?

798
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,280
Somebody's not going to have to
pay rent next year.

799
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,400
Guess what?
You have it right here, right?

800
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,800
The rent has already been paid
for.

801
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,760
And you can do it every year and
everyone's going to pay more

802
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,720
just so they can be have that
one, that chance of winning.

803
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,600
Right.
But I don't know something about

804
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,240
this time.
They're like, they want to be

805
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:39,120
literal.
Oh, OK, this person owes me 10

806
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,120
and this person owes me 10.
OK, Instead of that, I'm going

807
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,600
to pay 5.
He's going to pay you 15.

808
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,120
It's the same money.
It still comes up to $20.

809
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,320
What?
What does it make a difference

810
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,480
if somebody paid more and
somebody paid less?

811
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,200
You still got your money.
But I don't know.

812
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,960
That's I don't know.
That's that's clan math.

813
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,240
May.
I don't know.

814
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,320
May maybe if maybe if Red Jacob
had done that kind of clan math,

815
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,920
they wouldn't be in dire straits
right now.

816
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,360
And Clan Mackenzie.
Selling the selling their jewels

817
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,720
and silver, no.
Right.

818
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,840
Oh my gosh, marrying off their
daughters who they promised

819
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:27,480
wouldn't get married so.
Yeah, but Henry's gonna have to

820
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,880
slow it down 'cause now there's
suspicious of him.

821
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,240
Yeah.
Yeah, Arch is like you want me

822
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,320
to kill him?
No, not yet.

823
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,520
Hold up, Not yet.
Now I don't like what he's

824
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,640
doing, but he is not giving you
some money.

825
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,040
Right.
Are we gonna wait?

826
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,440
Like, why are you mad at that at
all?

827
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,720
And so, yeah.
And, and I'm gonna tell you why

828
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,240
they're mad at it, because he's
making them both look like he's

829
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:52,320
making them both look stupid.
Yeah, that's why.

830
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,520
'Cause they are.
You just made me twice what I

831
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:05,240
that's what really that's like.
Oh go collect $50,000 in rent

832
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,920
here.
I brought you 100,100 thousand

833
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,200
because of the way he did it.
What?

834
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:18,720
Yeah, and it sucks because why
would you do that to people who,

835
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:25,480
you know, are so poor already?
It's a capitalist society and

836
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:31,360
struggling already.
Just just cause capitalism.

837
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,360
And then, you know, that causes
dissent because as soon as you

838
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,720
know, this person can't pay,
well, why do we gotta pay if

839
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:43,480
they can't pay?
And then it's like, why do that?

840
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,000
But as soon as he came up with
the lottery, they were like,

841
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,320
look, I'm taking my chances with
this, with this 6 pence or this

842
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,600
5 pence or whatever and see what
I can get, right?

843
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,440
It's worth it.
I mean it's literally why the

844
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,720
lottery is now at 1.4 billion
because them $2.00 is worth the

845
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,400
chance.
Thing that I forgot to go play

846
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,120
tonight.
Well, maybe it'll roll over.

847
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,600
The way that we try, I feel like
they definitely let it let it

848
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:15,760
roll a little bit.
Right.

849
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,440
To see just how far we going to
go, how much we going to put

850
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,680
into it, which is what literally
what they need to be do.

851
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,640
If they could have done that
over and over again, just let

852
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,480
him reset it up and they would
have continued to do that if

853
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,560
they thought they was going to
get something good like not

854
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,600
paying rent for a year.
You know they like just that's a

855
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,920
money making scheme if I ain't
never seen one.

856
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,400
Like, that literally would have
made the Grants the most

857
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,120
profitable clan in the Highlands
if they were to continue doing

858
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,920
that.
But there's Harry on the flip

859
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,000
side.
OK, now he's still searching for

860
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,160
his wife and the brothel owner
has called him and she's like, I

861
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:06,160
have what you're looking for.
I knew she was lying, but the

862
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,520
way his face fell when that
other girl walked in.

863
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,520
Yeah, it was sad.
And then she was like, I know

864
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,400
I'm not the woman you're looking
for, but my my mistress doesn't

865
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,520
want to lose your business.
Well, maybe your mistress

866
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,400
shouldn't have lied to me to get
me here.

867
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,840
That's the first thing I you
lied to get me here.

868
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,640
You told me that you had what I
was looking for.

869
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,640
I told you I was very
specifically looking for a

870
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:39,200
someone, not a some type.
I'm looking for a very specific

871
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,720
woman.
And you bring him to someone who

872
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:48,280
is not what he's looking for.
In the way his face broke and he

873
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,560
was like, have you ever wanted
something and didn't want it at

874
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,000
the same time?
Because it's like he wants to

875
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,320
find his wife.
But he would have been so

876
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,680
heartbroken if he had found her
in a brothel.

877
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,120
Because that would have been, I
mean, he would have understood

878
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,360
it, I feel like.
Because again, you ended up in

879
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,320
the 1700s.
And to be fair, she could have

880
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,760
been sold into a brothel, so I
guess you might actually be

881
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,720
lucky, right?
But I mean, cause the brothel,

882
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:25,520
even if she was even if she were
sold to a brothel, if they would

883
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,920
have found out she was pregnant,
they either would have thrown

884
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,080
her on the street or they would
have given her, they would have

885
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,920
forced the tea on her so that
she could lose the baby so that

886
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,040
she could go work.
Yeah.

887
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:46,200
So but this episode had a lot of
echoes from like the Outlander

888
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,600
series as well.
The whole thing with Henry and

889
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,600
the horror in the brothel
reminded me a lot of William and

890
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,040
Jane.
You know, when William was like,

891
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,320
I just want to be here, I don't
want to touch you.

892
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:05,280
I just, I just need to be alone.
I just need a place to think the

893
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,200
whole thing with there was
something else that I thought

894
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,520
and I was like, oh, this is kind
of familiar too.

895
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,440
I can't think of it now, but
yeah, it it has some echoes.

896
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:23,840
But again, here, let me tell
you, I think I'm starting to

897
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:29,480
become more intrigued with Julia
and Henry story than I am Brian

898
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,680
and Ellis.
Not to say that Brian and Ellis

899
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,760
is not interesting, because it
is.

900
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,360
But again, we already know what
the end game is for them.

901
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,480
You know, we're just, we're just
getting the background story of

902
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,560
how they got from here to where
we know them from.

903
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,800
But Julia and Henry, because
they are unknowns, because we

904
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,400
don't know anything about their
story to see what they're going

905
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,240
through right now, that's the
most intriguing part of the

906
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,760
episode for me.
I'm just like, I just need them

907
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,880
to get back together.
I think Michelle and I were

908
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,320
talking about that this weekend.
Like, we just want them to get

909
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,560
back together.
I don't care how it happens.

910
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,760
I just need it to happen.
But then I think at that point,

911
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,680
then that's when it's going to
start getting a little bit more

912
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,440
depressing because, again, we
know that they never make it

913
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,400
back to Claire.
Yeah.

914
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,360
And that's going to be the sad
thing because you see a

915
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,760
flashback of them and this one,
they're so excited.

916
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,360
Naming the baby.
Having a baby, like she's

917
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,160
already got, you know, a little
section of the apartment set up

918
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,080
for the baby.
She's got books like Peter Pan,

919
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,160
which is her favorite.
They feel the baby kicking for

920
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,240
the first time and they're
discussing names.

921
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,280
Of course, at this point,
they're thinking it's a boy.

922
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,960
So they're like, they're going
to name him after Peter Pan.

923
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,080
He's going to be Peter Beecham.
But and then later on, he says

924
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,440
if it's a girl, it's Claire.
Claire.

925
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:55,160
Like they were so excited to
have her and to be ripped from

926
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,800
her and never go back to her.
That's going to be the part of

927
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,640
the story that I really want to
see.

928
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,880
But also, I think that's the
part of the story that's going

929
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,760
to break my heart the most,
whenever they realize that they

930
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,080
can't make it back to her or
whenever whatever happens to

931
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,480
them to keep her from going
back.

932
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,400
Because we don't know how her
parents actually died.

933
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,240
We don't know if, especially
because of the show, we don't

934
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,240
know if they were back together
when they died.

935
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,360
We don't know if they remain
separated, if they ever find

936
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,520
each other.
We don't know.

937
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:34,000
And then even once they get
together, you know, you know is

938
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:39,040
is is is the layer going to let
them be free either layers going

939
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,880
to just let them.
Go.

940
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,320
Like without chasing them down
or trying to find them because

941
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,600
one feels like he owns her and
the other one feels like well

942
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,400
you're my bloody here so you're
here with us.

943
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,040
You're a grant now.
Boom bang.

944
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,160
Like you die to leave the
grants.

945
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,680
That's it.
But the But The thing is, he

946
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,800
told you from jump, I am only
here looking for my wife.

947
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,920
Yeah, y'all were the ones who
were like, well if you work for

948
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,600
us, we can put some resources
behind.

949
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,600
We can help you find your wife.
And then I was like, oh OK, yeah

950
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,840
you can look for your wife.
But don't you spend so much time

951
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,160
in Inverness?
Right.

952
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,680
Like he's here.
OK.

953
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,280
I did you not hear me when I
said my wife was my priority?

954
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,720
Yeah.
I just, I think one of the

955
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:28,920
biggest things about this time
period, I don't like the way

956
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,320
people treat each other.
Yeah.

957
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,800
And I'm glad like it's, it's
better in our time.

958
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,560
Yes, we do still have a lot of
that going on, but not to that

959
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,080
extent for the most part, I
would say.

960
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,600
But I just don't like the way,
like they literally look at

961
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:53,160
people as objects to own and to
trade and to sell and to

962
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:59,760
disregard or to discard.
It's yeah, it's so disgusting.

963
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,600
Yeah, that's it's pretty
horrible.

964
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,400
But it also makes sense for why
Claire never got her parents

965
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,960
back.
Yeah, 'cause they have all these

966
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,120
obstacles they're going through.
I don't know.

967
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,680
I don't like it.
Yeah.

968
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,480
OK, 'cause even if they went
back, however long it would take

969
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,720
them to get back, they probably
been pronounced dead, you know,

970
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,600
or whatever.
And they probably had whatever

971
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,080
services or whatever.
It is probably not a funeral

972
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:38,960
funeral, but they probably have
done something.

973
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,320
Yeah, they did something because
I think Claire mentions it when

974
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,760
she's talking about her history
with Uncle Lamb.

975
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,960
I think after the funeral he was
going to, she mentioned he was

976
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,800
going to take her to a boarding
school so that he could go off

977
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,720
and do his archaeology thing.
And she put, she pitched a fit.

978
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,560
She she refused.
What was it she said she refused

979
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,280
to let go of the car door.
And he finally looked at her.

980
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,280
He was like, OK, you can come
with me, but you're not going to

981
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,240
do this.
We're not playing with dolls,

982
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:10,560
and you better not touch my
tools.

983
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,040
It was like one of those things.
And she was like, OK, got in the

984
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,760
car.
She was singing happily because

985
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,920
she was glad she was going to be
with him.

986
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,720
So I mean, I guess I love that
part.

987
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:26,840
Like at least she did have a
loving relative to look after

988
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,120
her.
Yeah.

989
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,800
Yeah, and, and she became a
pretty well-rounded person.

990
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,120
She became a very good person,
probably a little mouthy

991
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,200
sometimes and and quick to
temper.

992
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,160
But you know, overall she's a
good person.

993
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:47,200
I'm glad that that happened for
her, but it just kind of makes

994
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,720
you wonder what would have
happened if she had had her

995
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:54,400
parents or if maybe, OK, let's
talk about it.

996
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,880
If her parents did go back,
depending on when they went

997
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,440
back, she could have already
been an adult or she could have

998
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,680
been in high school.
If she's with Uncle Lamb, she

999
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,160
doesn't have a permanent
address, right?

1000
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:12,360
Or Lamb probably would have sold
their home or whatever, you

1001
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,080
know.
Or she could, she could have

1002
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,040
been gone, but they could have
came back when Claire went back,

1003
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,800
yeah.
Or they could have came.

1004
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,240
Back when she went back.
Found her and been like, oh,

1005
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,720
she's happy in her life.
We're going, you know, we don't

1006
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,880
want to cause any upheaval
because at that point, if she's,

1007
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,080
if she's an older person, if
she's grown, she's already made

1008
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,920
her peace with whatever happened
to them.

1009
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:43,160
Because for her, there was
nothing weird about them dying.

1010
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,040
She was told they died in the
car accident.

1011
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,840
She never had reason to think
otherwise.

1012
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,840
Right now.
That does make you wonder,

1013
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,840
though, all the times that she
and Brianna and Rodger have

1014
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,640
talked about them going through
the stones.

1015
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,480
And I think, Michelle, I think
you may have mentioned it either

1016
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,080
in the panel this weekend or you
mentioned it in our last

1017
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,400
episode.
You know, you have the gene,

1018
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,760
your daughter has the gene, your
grandchildren have the gene.

1019
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:14,120
So we know moving forward, all
your people have it.

1020
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,800
Have you not stopped to think at
some point, well, did my parents

1021
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,080
really die?
Like did you stop to think about

1022
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,360
where were my parents when they
died?

1023
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,080
Like did you did she ever get
the details of the Scotland?

1024
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:34,640
They were they their, their car
was found in in the river near

1025
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,240
such, such.
Because if I think if she had

1026
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,560
been an adult and she had heard
where her parents died or she

1027
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,040
knew where her parents died,
especially after she had gone

1028
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,560
back and came back the first
time, you would think that that

1029
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,520
would trigger something in her
to say, well, maybe my parents

1030
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,680
didn't actually die.
But I don't know at that point.

1031
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,200
I don't know if there's any
other kind of research that she

1032
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,760
could have done for that.
You know, she probably could

1033
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,800
have found out where the car was
found because I'm assuming

1034
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,320
that's how they knew her parents
died in a car crash.

1035
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,800
They found the car.
They flipped over car, Yeah.

1036
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,560
Yeah, and of course, they did
get washed away in the river.

1037
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,480
Maybe her, maybe whoever's found
the car, they were like, oh,

1038
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,240
they must have been swept away.
We never found any bodies.

1039
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,720
They could be whatever.
And depending on how long it

1040
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,480
took, they could have thought
all the animals got to them,

1041
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,600
nature got to them, whatever,
whatever, because you don't find

1042
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,360
bodies.
But you never found bones

1043
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,800
either, did you?
You know, it's just one of those

1044
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,720
things where I wonder how much
is Claire really thought about

1045
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,000
whether or not her parents, you
know, one or both of her parents

1046
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,480
were travelers and how far back
that traveling gene or whatever

1047
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,120
it is with them goes back.
That would be interesting to

1048
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,240
know.
Maybe it's something she'll

1049
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,600
think about towards the end.
Yeah, that's what I was just

1050
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,400
about to say.
I wonder if, because they're

1051
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,360
trying to head towards the faith
thing, would they go back and be

1052
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:05,040
like, Claire finally clicks
like, hey, and then, you know,

1053
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,920
it's hers 'cause we're thinking
it's her sister, right?

1054
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,320
The faith that they're talking
about could be her sister.

1055
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:18,360
Could be her sister or yeah,
yeah, could be her sister

1056
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,640
because Claire was already 5
when this happened.

1057
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:29,520
Or actually could be.
What if it's her?

1058
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,160
What if it's her niece?
Or yeah.

1059
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,840
Or that, yeah.
Or yeah, or niece.

1060
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:40,800
Or could be because I think
Claire in this version of her,

1061
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:46,920
she is she's probably her 70s
now or close to 70.

1062
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:57,840
So that means it will probably
be a niece or maybe great niece.

1063
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,360
It could be her, her siblings
granddaughter was Faith.

1064
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,600
And then you know, but that
there's there may be some kind

1065
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,560
of familial cook connection
there.

1066
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,000
And I think somebody else
mentioned it.

1067
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:19,920
Jane does favor Brianna a bit,
so could be, but that's a whole

1068
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,720
bunch of speculation.
We still have lots more to go.

1069
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,480
Yeah, we still have 6 episodes
for this season because we are

1070
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,240
getting 10 episodes in this
season.

1071
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,800
And then as we mentioned, they
have already been renewed for

1072
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,120
season 2.
They're already in production

1073
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,040
for Season 2.
So we do have quite a ways to

1074
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,240
go.
This is just early speculation,

1075
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,040
but it is going to make you
think.

1076
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,000
But I think we may get some
answers by the end of this first

1077
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:54,040
season because this, the last
season of Outlander will air in

1078
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,320
about 6-7, maybe 8 months.
And I have a feeling they will

1079
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:03,280
find a way to tie the two shows
together so they have some

1080
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,480
answers before we start the
final season of Outlander.

1081
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,200
Yeah, because I mean, I would
still watch even if they gave us

1082
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,800
a hint about where they they end
up.

1083
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,320
I would still watch because I
know what you know, Brian.

1084
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,280
And Ellen, regardless.
This this show has sucked me in.

1085
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,040
Tell me.
Yeah, this show has sucked me

1086
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,680
all the way in.
I will definitely be watching.

1087
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,560
I don't care if none of it
connects.

1088
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,880
I'm just like, OK, I just just
tell me the stories.

1089
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,760
I've look, I will figure out my
own way.

1090
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,440
This will be a good way to get
back into writing some fan

1091
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,800
fiction if needed.
Just.

1092
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,960
Just give me some stories.
I know, I know.

1093
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,480
But OK, so so let's go back to
our main people.

1094
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:54,080
Ellen is plotting to meet with
Brian during Beltane, and she's

1095
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,600
doing this by pretending like
she is all on board with her

1096
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,200
marriage to Malcolm Grant.
So I hope that's not going to

1097
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,080
come back and bite her in the
ass column is being an ass.

1098
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:12,760
Dougal is being an ass Brian is
the is the ally we didn't know

1099
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:17,240
Julia needed, but we are glad
that she has Laura Lovett is

1100
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:22,960
being an ass Missus Porter is
being an ass Julia.

1101
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:29,640
We're about to see how her
little lies about to Hello

1102
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,320
Apollo wants to be part of the
podcast, so we're about to see

1103
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,160
how Julia's lies going to affect
her.

1104
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,360
And then Henry that PO man.
We just need him to find his

1105
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:44,760
wife.
Yeah.

1106
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,200
And we need him to do it before
he has another episode.

1107
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:54,640
I like that he is finding a way
to control his just by thinking

1108
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,560
of her and by having her.
Was it Saint Anthony pendant?

1109
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:04,080
Yeah.
But I have a feeling Henry's

1110
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:10,200
PTSD is going to be the theme.
That kind of rule, I don't want

1111
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,120
to say ruins him, but it's good.
It's going to be his undoing

1112
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:20,240
with the Grants, I think.
Because I don't know if men back

1113
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:26,200
then show their PTSD the way
that he does, you know what I'm

1114
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,080
saying?
Because I don't think even back

1115
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:35,400
then, most of those men have yet
been through a real war in the

1116
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,280
way that Henry has.
Right.

1117
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,840
Right.
So that's going to be the thing

1118
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:45,040
I think that blows his cover or
that makes them say, OK, you

1119
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,480
know what, we got to get rid of
this dude or something's not

1120
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:48,960
right.
I just, I don't know.

1121
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,160
I just, I just think that when
the the the straw breaks the

1122
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,600
camel's back, Henry is going to
be that camel.

1123
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:59,960
Yeah.
And that's going to have some

1124
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,440
very ugly repercussions for him,
I think.

1125
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:10,440
Yeah, it's yeah, that's God.
Just being in a different time.

1126
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,200
It's barbaric as hell but you've
been through probably the most

1127
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:18,720
barbaric thing ever whatever war
and like you're like y'all just

1128
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,400
don't know.
I know, I know.

1129
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,320
Y'all just don't know.
I could kill all y'all sleep.

1130
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,200
Going through a crisis?
Oh my gosh.

1131
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,960
I mean, when when Mr. Bug woke
him, I thought he was about to

1132
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,720
get punched in the face.
Like, you know, you're not

1133
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,680
supposed to.
You're not supposed to, like,

1134
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,320
startle them when they're in an
episode like that.

1135
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,520
So I was really worried.
I was like, oh, this is about to

1136
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,280
be ugly.
But Bug was just looking at him

1137
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,920
like, what's wrong with you?
You was calling the name Julia.

1138
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,280
Like what?
Well, you know he looking for

1139
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,080
his woman.
Before his woman.

1140
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:59,560
So, yeah, but who?
OK, so we just gonna have to

1141
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:03,680
wait to see how the shit hits
the fan with all these folks

1142
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,440
next episode.
You guys have any final thoughts

1143
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:17,680
about episode 4?
Oh, man, I think, I think it was

1144
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,560
a good episode.
It's very emotional.

1145
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,000
Yeah.
I think it just reiterates how

1146
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,760
much I hate the time period like
I do.

1147
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,680
I do not romanticize this time
period at all at.

1148
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,960
All you know what?
And I think that's a good note

1149
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,760
to end on that is it for our
show.

1150
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,000
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1151
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,080
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1152
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,200
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1153
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,240
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1154
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,320
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1155
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,000
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1156
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,920
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