Outlander: Blood of My Blood (Season 1 Episode 8) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #378

0:25 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Michelle and Dina and we are discussing episode 8 of Outlander, Blood of My Blood. But before we do that, welcome back, Michelle, we missed you. Yes, look, you picked the wrong episode to go out of town. Right, and I didn't even realize that y'all had recorded and I'm sitting here watching. Thank goodness you said something. Because I was like, I said, we had this whole conversation, but you know what you was you was already in trip mode the last time we recorded because we were talking about it. Because I was like, is there any way that we can record?

1:06 And then you were like, I, I don't know. Because we, I think we were trying to do it earlier in that week. And then I was like, well, we can do it on Sunday or Monday. So me and Dina decided to do it on Sunday. And then when when I watched the episode, I said, you know what? I said, we're going to have to get Michelle's thoughts on this episode because she got her little confrontation with Brian and Merton. So Michelle, come on, give us your thoughts for Episode 7 before we get into this. Well, I mean, Merton was correct. I mean, I don't, I, it's, it's nothing else I can add to that. He had the right again. You should have told your friend you can't put you know, I I still have nothing to say on that.

1:49 It's just I was screaming no when he when Dougal say come on and Merton got on that horse. Well, you know, I was I. Said when we I was like. Why would he go with Dougal? And then someone commented on our YouTube and they were like, well, remember, Dougal would know Murtha because Murtha is Misfits Givens nephew. And I was like, yeah, I thought about that after we recorded, but still like almost feel like because Murtha is a Fraser by birth that he would have steered clear Dougal. And Dougal doesn't seem to me like the type of person. Like, I know he probably knows who Miss Fitzgibbons is, but Dougal does not necessarily seem to me the type to, like, talk to the help or pay any attention to them. So I think that's why I was surprised when he was speaking to Mercer.

2:40 Kind of so familiar, you know? Yeah, I was just like, that's weird, but right. And I mean, you had to do your, I mean, your friend did you wrong. However, you didn't have to. He was like, come on, get on the back of the horse, Dougal said. Come on. Or talk, He just said. Right. Do that. It made me wonder too, 'cause you know how we kept saying, like, you know, did he end up just being closer to Ellen and not to Brian, 'cause he always talked about Ellen or whatever and like, he had already left, like, watch my sister and all this stuff. And then then he went with them. So maybe he did end up being closer to them. Yeah.

3:22 You know, Yeah, at the end. Could have been. And then he was there. Obviously when Jake, when it first starts, he's at Leo, and so maybe he did end up being more close to Mackenzie's. Yeah, yeah. I was screaming for you. Michelle, though. I was screaming for you, girl. I was. You can tell him Mercy when he hit Brian, I said, yeah, I don't know, like that. Yeah. I did. I mean, it was, it was, it was coming. And he, he deserved every bit of it. He needed actually more. Yeah. But like me and Dana was saying, can y'all have this argument somewhere instead of in front of Balik's face? That is true too, 'cause now you you telling all her beats. And and you know your daddy ain't no good. No, he is not at all, which leads us Oh yeah, always saying and also in that episode, which was funny how y'all making a concoction.

4:21 So that mean was it? Wait a minute. Oh Oh no, it's a concoction. Oh yes. The the, the this, yeah. The the, the I say they no good, I said. First of all, you didn't stop looking at each other 'cause you're gonna get caught, right? I'm at the table like this, like so what's what is? Who cook? This. What's this? Flavor. And you're like, it's I was good. And that was like, you know what, ladies? Yeah. Instead of doing that, poison him to death. Right. Well, no, because you know what? They're doing it the right way because not there's no suspicion coming on them.

5:04 Like he just think that he just needs some rejuvenation. Right. And what's going to happen is he going to be gone for two days, right? And that stuff gets out his system. He's like I'm good and he come back home and he not. Right, he going to. Be like, it has to be the home. I'll be like, it's the mole on the walls. No, because you know what? Because you know, back in those days they took food with them. So you know Julia or Miss. Sprinkle it. Sprinkle it all over the food. Sprinkle it. Right. Exactly, exactly. Sprinkle it. Yeah, but how do you like the new little friendship between Julia and Miss Porter now? I really do. Like I like it. I do.

5:46 And I was like OK, I trust her. Yeah now yeah and stuff I do. And now they have a this little secret cause y'all poisoning this man now, Yeah. Poisoning him, That's just giving him a little flavor on his food. They just trying to help him help him in other ways me. Laird I didn't know that it caused this trouble. I just thought it was good. Cooking. Yeah, it was, it was a good season that other people had recommended. Yeah, yeah. There you go. There's some Lowry season. Salt Lowry. Yeah. OK, so let's get to episode 8 because I hate the 17th century.

6:26 I really. Yeah, yeah, this episode was tough to watch, but there also there, there were so many, like, there's some weird contradictions in here because, OK, the the way the episode starts out, you know, they're laying out the tools and I'm really sitting here looking like what? I'm like Dougal, what the hell is this for? Like, what do you need all of this stuff for? Like I understand a speculum, but are the men of that time like so out of touch with women's bodies that you think you got to have all of this stuff? Like one of them almost like was a iron hammer. Like what you hammering? What are you hammering? What are you?

7:07 Saying you said do that, What kind of? Crazy stuff I made-up on pelvis and but but let's let's think we trying to keep her intact, not destroy her before she even get married and that's. What we were saying it's like those kind of tests. So how exactly are you supposed to tell? What will we found out in this episode? But before I was like, so how are you going to check if her hymen is intact? Like, are you going to go in and break it to find it? Right, right. And we were talking about that. That's like the whole comparison about like, just like the witches, you know, oh, we're going to put this, this 100 LB stone on top of you. If you survive, then you're a witch and we're going to kill you.

7:54 But if you died, then that means you were innocent and your soul is going to heaven. Excuse me, but I'm dead, right? Right. And so it's just like that. OK, so we're going to check to make sure that you're still a virgin and that your quote UN quote virtue is intact. Now, if we see bleeding, oh, we'll know that your virtue was intact and you'll be OK. I mean, at least her husband is there in the room to see the goddamn test. So, so that he can see her virginity that's so freaking important, being taken by a tool or some other man's. But I also like Malcolm Grant at this time. Let's. Just be real. Yeah, but also, and again here with the contradictions, because when Colin and Dougal are looking at the tools and David Beaton is about to explain it, Colin was like, get the shit out my face. No, we will not be doing this right. It's barbaric.

8:50 But then just as quick, it was all about not damaging Ellen so that he could still sell her off for marriage. Not, not for any concern for his sister or the fact that they may be doing this, you know, maybe prematurely or maybe on some false information. Like he had no concern about his sister as a person, just that I can't give the Grants a dead bride. Right. But the only person who was concerned was 1 Malcolm. There was actually three people that were like, this is a little shaky. Malcolm really was. That's why I was like, I really like Malcolm and now I'm feeling really bad for him. Yeah, I do feel bad.

9:33 'Cause he do care for her. He didn't want her to have to go through this. He not even questioning trust her. He trusts her. Yeah, he does. He shouldn't just be honest. OK, I mean, let's, let's before we before we hype this up now and and and she's not innocent, so you know, yeah, I was going to say he is not a fool. He is believing exactly the look she is. She has been sending her representative out this entire time and he believes exactly what that representative is showing him. So he's not. He a fool because he can't tell that woman don't have no kind of designs on him at all.

10:13 She ain't wearing her face. Look, giggles and. Kisses, but the way she but even at the end, at the end when she looked at him, she smiled, gave him that nice look. He believes that. Yeah, I I will say that for Ellen, Ellen is playing her part. Right, but at this point too, when it gets down to you may die, I am innocent. I am pure as No, he's truly in love with her. And he's, he's been in love with her clearly since they were kids. Like he's keeps bringing that up about that. And for him, he he's in love with who he thinks she is.

10:55 Yeah, 'cause he liked it from a child and he. So he doesn't even know her. But I mean, that's what that's what I was saying earlier in the season about all of these couplings. Like you meet someone for 5 minutes and all of a sudden you so in love that you that that you're not even going to tell your best friend who been your brother since birth. So that's what I was saying. Like I understand lest at first sight I understand having a strong attraction, but you literally met this girl for a few minutes and then you met her at the bridge and find out that y'all's families are enemies and y'all like we don't care.

11:35 We want to be together we and look, but again, 1700s they do things differently. I guess at some point, if I feel that kind of attraction to somebody, I would rather that be my decision than for somebody like my brother call him to say, oh, you going to go marry this dude and then Google on the other side will say, well, if that don't work out, I got to do it over here for you to girl. Can we not? Can we not that's But when I say the preparations this girl had to go through for this test, First of all, this test is so invasive even without them doing the majority of what I thought they was going to do to this girl.

12:22 But right, just the fact she has the prep, she has to put her body through all these paces. She got to drink all that water to make sure her piss is not cloudy, and then she's got to hold her pee because I don't know. I guess they don't know about kegel exercises back then. But they're like, OK, you got to hold your water until we tell you to release what? And it's funny and then you got to go in with that barbaric as speculum and and and and feel for what I was just like, you know what, 1700s man, I again, I will reiterate, it could not be me.

13:05 Yeah. Could not be me, but I. Want to go to a doctor now? No. And that's horrible, right? But the the. But I love that everyone, every woman work together in this mission to help in this 'cause. Everybody was like, Julia was like, oh, yeah, I can help you, Brian, because Brian, once he finds out, because of course, his father is like, gloating. Oh, yeah. Thank you for the flowering. The Mackenzie girl. Now she's going to be tested. And Brian is sitting here like Dad, I like really care about her. He was like, whatever, whatever we are, we are half assed. That ain't going to mean nothing because the the Mackenzie's ain't going to care.

13:48 They they might kill you if you go there and tell her, please, why don't you go on and do that if you really love her enough. I was like, you know what, this motherfucker, I hope he goes into that spring and he falls in and drowns. But we know that doesn't happen happen. I hope that's. Not the case because he has a younger Simon Fraser in the in the original show that we meet. This like 16-17 at the time so so he's still doing this yeah he's still doing this but but yeah, I do like that and it was funny how he's giving kept giving her all that water and I was like why are you giving her that water but then I realized oh she got to pee clear but also holds her pee but you gave her all this water so now she. Got and he made her drink a diuretic to force her to have to pee and she still had to hold it. She was over there.

14:42 She was over there. She held that. And the only reason she was able to help that because she didn't have kids yet. Because trust me, after kids, you'd be like, I'm done. I'm done. She was already kind of dancing over there, like, right. I was like how long this? Going this how long this going to be? She's going to start twerking in a minute. Like I can't I know right, But I wonder how long they made her hold that like OK, so not only are you adding insult to injury, you going to give her a bladder infection. Why you trying to prove her her right? Really, that's what we doing. 'Cause miss miss miss was like. Pork.

15:23 Pork she was. Like. Ellen was like, OK, she said. Wait, I thought I had to make water, she said. You're gonna have to make water, but you gotta hold it first. Hold it first. You, you could have told me this before you. Yeah, but it got to be clear, too. So she had to get all that water. She had to get all that water. 'Cause if you just been drinking wine and milk, girl you, you messed up. Right. But then this is and then I had a stupid, like really horrible thought when she was peeing. I was like, but what if she was like at the beginning or end of her cycle? Then it ain't gonna be freaking clear. That would been unfair.

16:04 But at least that way they would have been like, oh, your flowers have bloomed. So obviously, you know, I, I don't know. And that's what, so that's what I was also wondering like how long was all this taking? Because I was like, at some point she had to have her period at some point. And so, you know, so they must have really did this really fast because I feel like she should have had her period at some point in this time. She probably had, but that don't. That is not to say that you a virgin anymore, right? That's true. That's true. But she's at least not pregnant. So it didn't come like whatever she was doing didn't. Yeah, but they needed to know that she wasn't even doing that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, oh, my goodness.

16:44 So I'm thinking, man, it may not been clear. Yeah, and it really was kind of dark. I don't know, I guess it's 'cause of the lighting. I was like that. Don't look. That's what I thought too. And then? I thought I did like this and I was like, oh, OK, you can kind of see this clear, but I was just like, and and even with the the explanation Misfits was giving her, Ellen was like, wait, so sometimes they find a Chase girl guilty. She was like, yeah, it happens. What? What? And, you know, because men didn't like to be contradicted, they weren't going to say they made a mistake. Yeah, you know they're not, but I like how who said it where hopefully I think Fitzgibbon said that I hopefully when this is over that she will forgive you guys. Oh no, that was Ned.

17:37 That was Ned said that OK, I couldn't remember said and that was so true. Like what you doing right now? You know if if we are completely wrong here, I hope she forgives us. And again, disclaimer everybody is correct though. But however. But you know what? For all his. Purposes she needed her to be innocent today, but she she just happens to be in love with right Yeah, she married OK, but right. But I love it when he said let me go get my rescue my wife. Oh, OK. I loved it. I was like, girl, Brian, you go. Brian, I love it.

18:20 However, the girl sweating bullets over here. Yeah. And see, that's another reason why I was wondering like about the time period because they had time to concoct and do all this stuff and get there before I was started. Well, here's the thing. So. So that was the very convenient thing because Malcolm Grant's carriage the the world or something. So yeah, that that helped Julia and Brian out a lot because because had that not happened, they wouldn't have made it in time. But of course. OK, so this is the thing that was kind of sort of, I think the only thing that I found questionable is because all of a sudden Julia knows how to do this. Like she knows how to make this this little concoction that's going to, I, I don't know, put a barrier. And I, I was just like, how, how would you know how to do that? I think it's because she she was already interested in going to college, because the way she said about the book, like she read it in the tone or whatever, that was this old Angel. I think she was already just that nerdy girl who used to read for no reason.

19:44 And just remember that this was a thing because the way she said it was like, I read, I read this in a book. It's ancient, ancient years ago book or whatever. And I was like, oh, this. She must have saw this back in her day. And I, and I think what it actually did was it's what they sell at the. Passionate pink parties. Is that tightener the tightener, Right. Oh, OK. It tightened things down there because it was like the vinegar and the salt and all the brown Yeah, it just shrink the area. So that's why I was extremely uncomfortable for her. Like, it just shrunk it up. Yeah, but also. Too the again, we're talking. We don't know how, we don't know when this. I mean, obviously some weeks have passed because when they went to Beltane, Julia was still pregnant. She wasn't quite due yet and then she had the baby. So it's got to be at least a few weeks. So she's only had sex the one time so she's going to be tight again.

20:45 Right, she will be, but that you know that they will try to make sure that it was extra just in case you know what I'm saying. We we try to do our best here. I know, but this this whole thing like this is one of those shows that you you see all of the uncomfortableness of the stuff that they used to do and I know there's some people who like what they took too long. I didn't want to see all that. No, we to see what we look, as much as we complain about the state of things today and where things are with us, at least we're not doing that. Yeah, at least we're not doing that.

21:27 So we that that to me is just a reminder to be just a little bit grateful because we have come at least some part of the way. Now. We still you know right, We have control over our bodies and all this other stuff, but it ain't like that right and then it's like y'all travel by horse everywhere right and that that's what Dina was saying in the last episode when we when we talked about it with that it's like there's so many reasons why that may happen to a woman where her heart like riding a horse accident. What just a a tampon. I mean let's just be honest, there's so many ways that that could go wrong.

22:09 So you know, so but I it's just 17th century because I tell you, somebody does it. Now we want to touch punch him in the face and be done with it. But we have to be a little bit thankful. Oh, for this, for the yes, we are. Because again, Brian is on his way. He's got to go rescue his wife. Julia offers to go with him. And Julia is in this like Brian is trying to tell her, no, my father's going to be gone for two days. You need to take the baby and go to Castle Grant because again, she has found out that Henry is at the Grants, right, Julia? And I will say this again, I'm a I'm ride or die for Julia and Brian and and this friendship.

23:03 I love it because they stay up at night and talk. You know they do. The reason why they do is she found out when she was with the dad and then the next time they talking they talking about it and and mom is like what are y'all talking about? Her husband is at the Grants. Yeah. I'm like, did you leave his room and be like, come on, Brian, I need to talk outside. Let's take a smoke. You know what, Whatever they do, I'm here for it because that's like, like that's the brother sister relationship. I'm like, yeah, I love it, I'm here for it. And when he gave her the opportunity, he was like, OK, so council leak is this way, Council grant is that way. You need to go to the grants, which I guess Brian wasn't really thinking about the fact that if Ellen's virtue was going to be in question, that the grants would be there, but he probably thought, OK, maybe it will be the older grant. Yeah.

23:58 I don't think he was thinking about that, but it's kind of like, Oh well, you know, they should be there. So it would have been natural for her to go, but she was like, no, I at least I know where he is now. I need to go help you save her life. That's more important. She was like, cuz I can't go to my husband if I think that one or both of you are going to end up dead. And that was a very real possibility, Yeah. I didn't think that was weird that she didn't say, well he is the Grant's bladier, so he would be traveling with the Laird. But she probably wouldn't know that the grand, she would know that to be present for that because I mean, we know about the barbarism in that.

24:42 But who really is going to sit here and think, oh, OK, well, they're going to test to see if she's a virgin. They're going to have all the men in the room. All the men, all the. Men she probably wouldn't think that, but I mean they literally had column Dougal Ned all of them and mouth don't turn your back right and OK, so I know we had moved forward past that. That's another issue I have. Like you want her to have some virtue, but you got her doing this in front of her future husband. Other men. It is no privacy again if you have her future husband, a representative from your house, your brother who's her choosing and her handmaid.

25:25 But not every last man the bodyguard. But you know, a woman's dignity is nothing to them in this time. Yeah, but you, you, you. But you giving away your sister, her husband. Husband. You don't want to see her, not her dignity. Right. Yes, right. And then she got to pee in front of everybody. Oh my God, I I was like, it's like, I hear she's just squatting and you just hear all this and this is like. And to me, I feel like Dougal, the look on Dougal was like, well Dang, she pee longer than that dude. Well you know what? Y'all made her drink all that water, made her drink a diarrhea, then you made her hold it for who knows how long. Yeah, she couldn't, like, clean herself or nothing. Nothing just goes in and I'm just like oh. God, and, and I'm again, I'm, I'm too much of A realist. I'm like, can I get some, some toilet paper? Because I will be leaking over here. You can't.

26:23 Even have toilet paper in this time because we've we've seen Lord Lovett get on the toilet and take a shit and get up and just. Get a cloth though. Do I have to be leaking by the the fireplace? Can I get a? So disgusting and horrible. OK, OK, I'm good. That's the last bit of what I had left on that. And I was like, there's too many people in this room here, too many people, too many people. And we even just just turn. I'm I'm. OK, if you y'all turn y'all back while he performing, I know he performing it's gotta watch it, but you have. Someone touching her intimately that she don't even know. That she doesn't know when you have a doctor.

27:04 And why do they need the priest to repeat what the doctor said? Why do they need the priest to proclaim? That's what. You see what my screen name says, right? 17th century sucks. That's all there is to it. In my hair you will die. Because that's the look she gave. And she walked by to her brother. No, she gave Malcolm. She gave Malcolm a nice little smile. Hey Boo, still love you maybe. I don't know, 'cause I, I think, I really think that smile was her. I don't know, I feel like she's going to use that to be like, yeah I don't want to get married to you now because y'all didn't trust me blah blah blah blah.

27:50 But see, here's the thing, what got saved him was he went and said that he didn't really want this to happen. So that's why she kind of she she gave him that look that makes him feel better inside stringing him along. But then that term that look at her brothers like I will get y'all. Right. Given she. And and and she should. She shouldn't. Even though they alright, she should. That's her business. Get out her pants. She should get out her pants. Leave her. Alone be gone with you. Nasty buggers. But in the midst of all this, Henry, Henry is sowing the seeds of distrust in the Grant household because of course, the older and as we stated, the older Grant, Isaac, he's at home sick now, decided, OK, I'm going to come and I'm going to oversee this and whatever, whatever, because this is my bride. So I want to, you know, make sure that she is treated with some dignity, which he did try to ensure. I will give him that.

28:57 And Henry, of course, is looking at all this like, this is some barbaric shit. She was like, OK, I get your what your dad is trying to do, but at some point, you're going to have to make your own decisions. And Malcolm Grant was like, I am my own man. He was like, yeah, but. I know, but you're. Doing your daddy's stuff, but at some point you're going to have to come through and, and that that's going to mean breaking, breaking off some stuff. And they both look at Arch Bug because I'm Arch Bug, you know, fucking nerves now. So I was like, OK, Henry sowing the seeds of distress. Because Henry is probably like, if I have to stay here, I would rather work for Malcolm than for right, You know, Which I don't blame him 'cause I think he's a, he's a old tough, no nonsense.

29:44 Islander like he's, you know. Malcolm has a little bit more compassion. Malcolm has a little bit more, you know, he's he's just a little bit better human being. But while they're there, you know, Henry is looking around. He he has a near miss with Julia because she's walking down the hall at this point. She is snuck into LYAC. She's trying to go to Ellen's room to give her this conclusion. And she sees a glimpse of her. And he was and he thinks that he's just, you know, seeing things. Julia doesn't see him because she's so focused on what she's supposed to do, which is good because if she's seeing Henry right then and there.

30:26 That everything would have been a disaster, but it was just so hard. It was just so heartbreaking because he just thought he was losing it again that. Oh, man, that was hard. Yeah, because he already lost it. And now I'm getting confused of episodes since I watched 7 and 8 together. And then he lost it with, you know, substitute Julia. I will call her. No, Substitute Julia 6. And then last episode was when he went and told her he was like, look, I don't want you to be hurt. Look, that was. Yeah. But when he broke down because he got the necklace back, that's what I'm saying with Substitute Julia. And it was. That was heartbreaking.

31:06 And then to see him in there like I'm. Seeing the ghosts, I'm trapping her. No. Important thing to me. Right because I was sitting here watching this and when when he got ready to leave I said you know what, if y'all give us this close of a near miss and they don't see each other, I'm going to throw something at my tvi was so ready to be mad and then when she saw him she was like Henry. He turned around and looked at her. And one of the things that I love about it because you would expect that they would run to each other. I love the fact that she kind of held back because she's familiar with his PTSD.

31:46 And how do I react to stuff? So I love the fact that even when they were alone, she waited for him to come to her. You know, even though, you know, she was itching, she was like, Oh my God, I need you. I need to grab you. She stood there so still and he was just sitting there. And you could tell by the look on his face he was he was close to breaking down again. He was like, you can't be real. When he touched her face and she closed her eyes, I burst into tears. I was like. And then he was so like the, the fact that she was like, let's go here, let's go hide down here and talk because she already knew that they didn't need to be seen together.

32:28 For whatever reason, they didn't she. Ain't supposed to be in the castle. Right. That part was she was. She needed to get close to her exit, right? Yeah. Let's start with that. But I I just, I found and then I was screaming bow F in time. Finally. Finally. Because he was still thinking. He was like, you can't be real. And she was like, hope springs eternal. Yes, yes. I was so happy. I was like, thank you for not waiting until the 10th episode. Because now we have it that they're together. They just got to figure out how to get back together.

33:09 And I'm OK with that because they now know that each of them are alive. Now they're going to have a nice evening of talking when they do get together because they have done some things, but there's some. But you know what? They've been apart for almost a year. They've been trying to survive. So I get, we get it right? Oh, wait. We get it, slept with her because you had a mental break and you thought it was me. Yeah. Oh yeah, I got you because someone told you I was dead. Not only me. Yeah. And our baby. And yeah. And you had to go sleep with the lair because you don't want him to kill the baby or he. Oh, OK. You know what? We're good. We're good. Now let's figure out how to get the hell back to our daughter. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

33:50 'Cause that just reminds me of like when Claire had to do that for it with the king or whatever and friends, you know, Jamie was like. 2 Pump, Louie. You had to do what you had to do, you know, to get what you know. I mean, 'cause what? What does it matter? Jamie was still being the Bastille to this day. Yeah, yeah. But I love it how it's it's so cute. It's not cute. I just love how Julia was helping Brian and Ellen, but you really helping your daughters husband's parents so they they could be together so they can have they son who will later married, married to your child. So you will send all the way back here to make sure they love make it 'cause they don't.

34:45 Let's just say they ain't paying attention to nobody else but themselves. So they have you got to go through all this just to get your your daughter's husband, family together. Yeah, but I'm so glad, like, Henry, at this point, the first time that he sees Julia and he thinks he's losing his mind, he goes to have a talk with Ned Gowen. And he was like, look, I need you to help me. He was like, the longer I stay here, the worse I'm going to get. I need to get out of here. I need to leave the Grants. I need you to help me. Like he was talking about leaving then. If he had done that, he would not have known that Julia was alive. So thank thank goodness for Ned Gowen and that bromance and that friendship because Ned was the one who was talking since look, don't do anything rash because they will chase you to the ends of they will kill. You, which is crazy to me.

35:39 It's a job. It's not why I got to stay forever, I mean. But I mean, if you think about it, he probably knows things that they've done that, you know, it's like like being in the mall but still in no time where I can move, I mean. Right. I might want to go to a different country. You. Literally saw them murder the guy whose job whose job you took. So yeah, no, you you can implicate them in some things. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm like, Henry, What? Can I just go get some air, right. I just want you got to be off my back. Why you got to be on my back? Because Arch bug is an ass. I mean like, why? You down here? I mean, he was like, I saw a ghost, OK.

36:21 I thought I saw my wife, right? Like arch bug also like that. That's what about that last episode that annoyed me when he did find him on his way to crack the dune. It's like we was just running from the British because they were arresting Jacobites. How did you manage to get a posse together to come try fire me? Right, right. Freaking. Arch bug, don't want nobody. Happy. But you know the thing when Henry turned around, when Arch Bug came downstairs and he asked him and he was like, what are you doing? That he he said, I thought I saw my you know, I thought I saw my wife. Oh, so you chasing ghosts again? That look on Henry's face was Henry realizing that Arch Bug has something to do with that lie that was told to him. That's I that's what I think.

37:07 Because that's why he turned around and he was like, yeah, I guess. And he was smiling the entire way out. He was like, Yep, my wife is alive. I'm about to find a way to get out of this. Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Y'all they got to see depressed me No more. No, you know what? You're right. You're right, Mr. Bugg. My wife is gone. My child is gone. It's time for me to move on. Move on. Yeah, because I also wonder if, you know, he does actually realize that some some something was a mess because she just wired up running around in other people's the baby find everything good looking nice and healthy that something was good.

37:49 Yeah, yeah. Especially when Brian after you're fine. Look, especially when Brian comes in and the and the thing that you tell Brian is everything is, well, they found her. They found her intact or they found her not guilty. Henry was like, hold up, who is this? So at some point you realize he's going to have divided loyalties because I think he does care about Malcolm Grant as a person, you know, and he's like, OK, I want you to have this. But then if he realizes, Oh, my wife has been helping this dude who is actually in love with Ellen and this is, he's going to have a conflict. Right there. So of course that's probably going to lend to some drama. But well, maybe he convinced Malcolm that as a decent indecency, this woman doesn't want to marry you and her family is forcing, so she's doing what she has to do. So maybe he he, maybe he's the one that turns things around where Malcolm ends up being the family friend, and that's. How?

38:51 That's how Jamie got the middle name Malcolm. Is that OK? Because that's also another thing because I had forgot his name was Malcolm also, and when he was given his full name to Claire for the first time and I was like Malcolm Mackenzie crazy. Because also that that same Malcolm was one of the people like we were talking about that soul to go with with Arch Bug and what you call it. Yeah. So he definitely lives on a long time or whatever. And, you know, so maybe they end up friends, maybe he loves her just that much, where he just like, OK. Yeah, could be. I don't, I don't know. But yeah, we needed that reunion because when I say like the tension was getting to be too much and then all the near misses, I was like, if y'all yeah, we don't get this episode and we don't get a reunion. I'm throwing something at the TV. I was ready.

39:49 I had I literally had something next to me. I was like, come on, do it, do it, do it, do it. I dare you. She, she saw him and he turned around, looked at her and she's looking at him like come on, come on, come on. And he's looking at her like, OK, you know what? That's probably a ghost, but I'm going to follow her because she's telling me to come. Hey, I'd rather be with a ghost, you know what I'm saying? He could have easily looked at her and been like, no, you're not real and turn back around. He could have easily done that. Thought his mind was playing tricks on him. He was like, Nope, I got to go check this out. Even if it is, you know, I don't know if she vanishes into thin air or whatever. I, I just, I, I got to check it out. And that reunion was so sweet, so sweet. And then Brian was like, hold up, is this? And she was like, Yep, this.

40:39 My husband Brian was like, how the heck. OK, I'm glad you came with me now. So I'm glad when he says when she's like, OK, I have to go back. We have to like get together later, that he didn't push it. He was just like trusting, like she knows what she's talking about because I hate when people do that. I'm telling you we got to separate. Don't keep asking me questions. I'll tell you later. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, it was. It was. Good, because she was like, don't come looking for me, it's not safe. It's not safe. But also to it, what would have happened if Arch Bug had found her there? Yeah, yeah, he would have either he would have either tried to steal her and and take her with them, which she probably would have been like, oh, excuse me, I got to go back and get my baby. But I I just don't see that having a good outcome if Arch bug actually had found her, not not to mention Brian. I mean, it's bad enough Misfit scared the shit out of me when she grabbed them before they would leave. And because I thought it was, I thought it was Arch. I thought it was Dougal.

41:57 I was like, I was prepared for it to be a full-fledged fight, but it was it was misfits, thank goodness. And she was like, look, I appreciate what you just did for my lady, but if you really love her, you really care for her, Don't don't you bring your ass back. Take this tartan and go. We don't want to see hide nor hair of a Fraser. And the fact that she thought that it was Murta, I was like, you know what? You should know that Murta wouldn't do something like that. But she also knew that Mercer was in love with. Ryan, she was like, I didn't think you paid him any attention. This is weird. Right, right, right. And she was like, it's not him. He stepped up at. Some kids, they came to.

42:38 My grave, I mean. And then I start and then I'll be like her. Like I hope it's not his. His uncle. Oh, that's disgusting. He will take his name to the grave. You can tell me, honey. So it must be really bad. Yeah. I mean, I mean, in the grand scheme of things, Brian, like Brian is probably the worst pick for her because he's the bastard. Yeah. So. Yeah. So Miss Pitts probably didn't even think about that because you are basically you're the Princess of Clare McKenzie. Why you? Yeah, she probably didn't think that.

43:20 Yeah. But Oh my goodness, She she look, she's, she's over here doing her little dance now, her little pee pee dance. Her pee dance. Yeah, I just passed that. Now I'm on Julia and Henry. Hope springs eternal. Yeah, but this little face, let me tell you, Dougal and Column. I mean, I, I'm kind of worried about the fact that Dougal didn't say anything. But I know what I know what was at stake, so I know why he didn't say anything. But I also think he likes the he loves the fact that he knows something about Ellen that Column doesn't because Column and Ellen were the ones who were close. He was like, don't, don't she talk to you. And Column is like, he hasn't been the same between us since our patrol.

44:10 Oh, I wonder why? Yeah, 'cause you're selling her like a broodmare. You're selling her like a just a object. Why would she confide in 'cause you obviously don't think of her as a person. What was it now was saying to them? Because Column was talking about Jacosta, because he went to ask me. He was like, so she wasn't out of your sight at all at Belton. He was like, well, yeah, she went to the fertility blessings, but she was with Jacosta. And. And Column said, well, misery loves company and Jacosta wouldn't do anything to jeopardize Ellen because she knows the prospect of marriage will make her sister miserable. And Neil was like, there is no love lost between any of y'all. Column is like, what does love have to do with it? And I know Neil was like, you know what? And I'm going to tell you what it has to do with it. If your father had some for y'all, y'all wouldn't be in this fucking mess.

45:07 Yep, basically. But that is. It is funny though, that as soon as he heard that she was with Jacosta, he already knew. Jacosta was go dive her ass right? They were together, nothing happened. Jacosta ain't gonna let nothing happen because she wants to see Ellen miserable. Like what is wrong with y'all? Yeah. But that's how you know Ellen is so freaking smart. Because she knew exactly how to get Jacosta on her side, her mortal enemy. She knew how to get her on her side. Yeah, and it. Worked out. Yeah, you go get you a little something, something and I won't tell me. You just let me go about my business and you don't tell.

45:48 And then she gave her also had to give her a necklace, but yeah. Yeah, well, you know, it's just, it's a thing. It's a thing. Yeah. Because your life. Right, because here's the thing, they may be sibling, there may be sibling rivalry between them. But here's the thing, they are sisters. They are women. Yeah, they know. They're like, oh, OK, you know what? We're oppressed. And I think that was what Ellen said. So she was like, why do we always have to be at their whim? Like we're the ones that are the so-called prizes. Why? Why are they the ones always having to decide what becomes of us? They can't have no babies. They can't reproduce. Right. Right, they would die off if if not for us. Right.

46:33 So, yeah, I, I when he said that, he was like, oh, OK, she was with Jacosta. I ain't worried about nothing. You know what? You're an idiot. Column I mean, I just, I, I'm like Ned, like y'all. Y'all are just horrible to each other just for no damn reason basically. Basically. Oh but yeah, this man, let me tell you, I was so glad when they got finished with this examination. I was like, you know what? Now that I've seen it, I don't need to see it ever again. Yeah, I don't need to do anything like this again. But yeah, the look she has on her face right now, she's walking past.

47:22 Yeah, I'm telling you like they better keep one eye open when they sleep. They better. Like I'm I'm looking at. They better 'cause you know Red Jacob taught her how to fight. You know he did. She probably knows how to carry a sword. She probably knows right column. Look, she going to go in there and break them legs again. I was. Just I was just about to say trip his last get on. The floor. You ain't going to be able to get up. That's yeah. But I'm I am kind of worried about what Douga is going to do with that knowledge, because Douga know who she's interested in if you know nothing else. But yeah, she she just didn't after that look, she was just like she's looking at her brothers like she don't kill it like you motherfucks.

48:19 I do wonder because like me Outlander, you kind of see how they have this sense relationship do in common with Jamie, but they're still blood, you know, they're still relatives and they're still taking care of each other, but it's still their it's like thing. I just wondered, like does does at some point, Dougal and column kind of feel guilty 'cause maybe Ellen died and maybe they feel like they gotta take care, you know, 'cause if they say, you know, they had that whole thing where, like, Dougal was like, worried that Jamie was gonna try to usurp his, his, his being next in line, right. But he still, you know, he want, he want the Red Coast to get him, you know what I'm saying?

48:59 Like he was still very protective of him. Yeah. So, you know, I just wonder about that like how that trained to be I was give me more information. Yeah, yeah. But Oh my goodness, just that that whole family dynamic because. Yeah, yeah, like you said, it's weird because especially with Dougan, I guess, because, I mean, we see how rash Dougal is here. Dougal is always 1. He is about Scotland. I will give him that because I think in the original show we were looking at it kind of selfishly, like, OK, he's just trying to do it for him or whatever. No, this is really in Dougal's blood.

49:40 Dougal is like, I want Scott. I want, you know, I want a, a Jacobite king on the throne. I will do anything for Scotland. Whatever. Damn my family, damn my reputation. Like he was really, really hardcore. So it is interesting to see him like that. And then to know the relationship we had with Jamie because on the one hand, it really is a love hate relationship because you can tell he cares about Jamie. Like, yeah, he he wore, he had him as a ward in his household, trained him and all this other stuff. But then at the same time, he's so freaking jealous of Jamie. Yeah.

50:23 Very. And this has to do, I think with probably the way that Brian and Ellen raised Jamie, even though Ellen was gone, I think Jamie was what, 5 when she died. But the way that he was raised because Jamie is like, you know what? I don't need nothing y'all have over here. I have this little piece of lolly Brock over here. I have my land. I have, you know, clam fries. I'm good. I don't need none of y'all stuff. And I think Google, I don't know, there's something about the way Jamie is free that I think Dougal was jealous of. Because even though Dougal kind of operated on his own on the side or whatever, it's like he was always under columns, thumb and column. I will say this too, Column made Dougal into the beast. He was, especially in their older years, that whole thing when he told Colum that Gaylis was pregnant. She's having my band.

51:26 And he was like, that's Arthur Duncan's band, just like Hamish is mine, right? I was like, you created that beast. And again, I'm very interested to see how that particular thing came about. But you created that beast. But I will say this too, Dougal, in this younger version of him, we see how he kind of provoked Column to do it because he has so much animosity against Column. Why wouldn't Column just kind of give it back to him? And then it it's so interesting because when you when you go back and you look at the scene where Column died and Dougal is just sitting there like really pouring his heart out, probably for the first time ever to his brother. And and that dude not committed suicide and died while you're pouring your heart out because he don't even want to listen to what you got to say.

52:26 Now. I was so sad for Dougal in that, but at the same time looking at the way they are in this show. Right, you can't. I'm just sad you tired. That's the whole W love got to do with that it in the end, it's not. It's got a lot, a lot, but these folks. But OK, yay we got we got 1 reunion. Yay. Yes, thank you. Henry and Julia briefly, but at least they both know that they are alive. They know what each other is. Henry knows that he has a baby named after his grandfather. Like, I love that, though, those little pieces, because when he looked at her and saw she wasn't pregnant, he was like, oh, the baby, the baby.

53:12 And she was like, I named him William. Oh, after my grandfather. I think that was like a further cementing for him, Like, oh, this is real. This is real for me. Because who else would say that to me? Like, yeah, so, so, so they know they're live. They know they say. I really hope. Well, I was going to say, I really hope he doesn't go to Castle Leathers to try to get Julia because that means he would have to go against Lord Lovett. But at the same Time, Lord Lovett now is going to fall out of favor with the Grants because he was the one that sent the accusation.

53:56 Right, and nothing is wrong with that and. Nothing is wrong. And so he's going to come back to Brian and be like. You lied to me. I thought you had Brown was like I never told you I slept with her. I just said that's my wife. I mean, we just and not to mention it's not going to be Isaac because Isaac did Isaac is dead. It's going to be Malcolm and Malcolm going to be real pissed because not. Only did. You do this to her, especially if it causes her to lose him, to lose her. Oh, it's going to be, it's going to be some stuff. It's going to be some mess, yes. So I asked God, why are they doing this to us? And they've been that, you know, they only was on the worst cliffhanger ever when this show. In you know this, Yes, yes.

54:42 But yeah, like you said, Isaac Grant, they they get up when they're getting ready to leave Castle Leoch, a messenger comes, gives Henry a letter and the letter states that Isaac Grant has passed. And again, that's because Brian McCarty, the actor who played him, passed away sometime after filming Episode 4. So they did write that into the story, you know? And so now Malcolm is the head of the grant. So now we got to see what he's going to do with that, how that's going to change things. And then like, I wonder, is that the reason why now?

55:23 Like why Archbug ended up leaving the Grants? Because Malcolm became head of the Grants and he was like, you know what, I don't want to. Deal probably fired him I. Was just about to say if I was Malcolm I. Would get rid. I would, I would. But also, that's the person who not only knows your dirty secrets, that's the person who has done your family's dirty secrets. So it might not be that easy to get rid of him. Yeah, but I also feel like, you know, I do feel like Arch Bug is trifling, but I also kind of feel like out of respect, 'cause he, he clearly, I feel like he actually likes Isaac. Yeah, I feel like he he not looks up to him, but I he admires, he admires.

56:06 Him, yeah. Told to him so he might not want to like ruin his memory maybe. But then again, it's arch bug, he tried to kill a boy because his wife was stupid. So I don't know. I mean try to get Rachel 'cause his wife, so who knows? Yeah, but. Oh OK, we got 2 episodes left. I don't even at this point, I don't even know what I want to happen in these last two episodes because we got the main thing. Henry and Julian know each other, that they know that they're alive. They know that they're in the same time they are literally like in neighboring castles.

56:46 So OK, we're good on that. At this point, I don't know what else can happen in this first season because again, this is a story that we don't really know. I mean, I I don't know, and I'm trying to think, I don't think I saw the the promos for the next episode, so I need to go back and watch that. But have you seen it, Dina? OK. I don't see it. OK. But yeah. So we have two episodes left for season 1. And then we got a Season 8 trailer for Outlander this week, which Michelle has not seen yet because she was traipsing on the seas and everything.

57:29 But I will just say this, I'm excited because there are some things that are in the trailer that come from the book that I really didn't think they were going to do, but it looks like they're going to bring some of these book hotlines. I'm so excited. There are characters that should be coming back. I don't think it's really spoiler because they had posted it on their social media. But we do know that Ferguson, Marsley are coming back for this final season. Yay because we have not had enough of them. And then there were a couple of other things, William. And then you see Brianna and Rodger and you see Lord John. And so there's like, all these different things going on. I'm trying to be vague because I want Michelle to see. Yeah, I got to see it.

58:24 We made this. We may discuss the trailer just separately, just, you know, whatever, whatever. But I'm excited. But what I need them to do and I put this on all this social medias, I was like stop teasing us by saying early 2026 and give us a damn. That's right. I need a date. I need to know when drought Lander will be over. Like for real? I mean, in January, are you talking April? Are you talking, are you talking October? No. No, no, no, they said early. They better not play no games early June. No, I'm just saying has to mean first quarter. I'm just saying early has to mean first quarter. That means they need to give us the show before March. I would love it if they look.

59:12 If you want to drop it on Valentine's Day, that works. Give me a Valentine's Day release date. We're good. Yeah. I I I need to know how many days I can mark off the calendar for drop Lander to be over. Right. I'm I'm so I'm I'm done. I, I need it, I thought I, So the only thing I can think of that it wouldn't be as soon is the fact that, you know, I've, I've mentioned this before. I have been waiting to see if they were going to announce the Outlander cast for New York Comic Con because they've been at New York Comic Con the last few years. So it is now the the end of September.

59:54 They still haven't been announced. I feel like if it was coming like January, February, they would have been at New York Comic Con to promote it, especially with this being the last season. Now, that's not to say they still can't because I mean, we deal with cons here. They do last minute guest announcements all the time. So it could still happen. If it does, I'm gonna have to. I, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm have to figure something out. I'm gonna have to go. I don't know. I'm have to do something. That's coming up real, real soon. Yes, in two weeks, 2-3 weeks. So, so I don't know.

1:00:34 But I mean, like I said, you talking early 2026, February is in the middle of that early because I'm thinking January, February, March, that's early April, May, June, you're already midway through the year. That's not early anymore. That's not early, no. And then what they did with Season 7, it came out in or 7B came out in June. So they kept saying early summer, early summer. So I really feel like it's going to be in the next few months but again, I I need a date. I need that New Year's. That New Year's release is what I need. That would be great. Wait, when? Hold on, When is January 1st? That would be great because I would be sitting on my couch watching Outlander.

1:01:16 I don't go out for New Year's Eve. I just usually sit. Here again, it would need to be January 1st. It cannot because. Because stranger things I know. So it releases going to have a competition here. This Outland released on Friday like this show has been released? I don't remember. Because the second Sunday, Sunday. So yeah, January 4th. I need it to be on TV. The first Sunday in January. So Michelle, I already, I already kind of move forward with this because I knew you wouldn't have a problem with it.

1:01:56 I did ask Dina if she wants to cover this season 8 with us and she said yes. So continue to have Dina with us for our Outlander coverage day. That's going to be fun. So yeah, look, maybe we'll have a date by the time we get to Conjuration because we are doing panels at Conjuration and hopefully we haven't gotten our confirmation yet, but you know. It's coming because he doesn't usually do it till like about the 14th, the 15th of October, so. And I need to submit tomorrow. For what? I submit for Stranger Things. You know what? I need you to get on it. Man behind it's on the list. Here's the thing on the list. It he probably will.

1:02:37 Like if it's something that hasn't got a lot of different stuff for, he probably put you right up in, you know? Well, he did that last year 'cause I was way behind. I was like, you can I still do? So he's like, yeah, just give me a title. Just. Give me a title. Yeah. And we'll write it up later. And I'm like, OK. But we are going to discuss Outlander at Conjuration, which is November 14th through 16th here in Atlanta, is actually in Duluth. So we'll be doing, I think I submitted for two panels for the main show and for Blood in My Blood because we Conjuration panels are only 45 minutes. We cannot talk about those shows in 45 minutes. No, you cannot. So we'll be doing that two more episodes and then we'll be in like real, real drought Lander until we give us this dates. But that's OK.

1:03:31 We we can keep the spirit alive. You guys have any final thoughts on Episode 8? I'm. I'm pretty satisfied. Yeah. Yeah, OK. And on that note, that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media, on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid. You can chat with us on our Discord channel. You can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening. We hope you join the conversation next time.