Outlander S7E1 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #245

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I am here with Michelle and we are discussing the first episode of season 7 of Outlander and I'm going to make this disclaimer right now Michelle. You are not allowed to go on any vacations at any given time when we have new shows premiering episodes because not being able to talk about this show. For last two weeks has been horrible. I cannot believe you put me through that and you're not ever again. No vacations. No cruises, yes, yes, it was hard. Once I was in the area where internet I was able to know, I tried not to see any spoilers. See, any clues to what the episodes were about. I know I was going to be two episodes behind. I was like, don't just just don't get on your phone, don't even worry about it.

1:20 Did you were you able to stay spoiler, friends, who you were? One thing popped up but it wasn't anything that will clue me in or anything. It just said something concerning when we talk about episode 2 and I also have to say something about that, then I said, okay, well, alright, let's get into this episode because one thing I will say is it seems like they are going to quickly tie up. Storylines from last season. We're not going to have to linger on a lot of stuff that was very evident with the end of this episode where she was the conversation with Jamie and mr.

2:06 Brown, but we'll get into that, right? That's why my name is tied up with a nice Bowl because that's what it felt like. Okay, so let's start with this episode. So of course, at the end of last season, you know, we ended with Richard Brown, coming to take Claire so that she could be tried for the murder of malva. Christie Jamie ended up going with her. And so, did Tom Christie just to ensure that Jamie and Claire would be treated fairly? So, what happens at the end of the episode is, of course, Richard Browns, men, they separate Jamie and Claire, they take Jamie to the cliffs.

2:50 You've are going to send him back to Scotland, but we find out that they're actually just going to kill him and just be done. And then Claire is taken to a town that has a judge because, you know, one of the issues they had was that they were going to towns and there were no judges. There were no magistrates because of the civil, unrest with the rebels and all of the government people fleeing for their lives. So that's where we are at the end of last season. We start out this episode and I would say that opening scene was very jarring for me, because I knew that wasn't something that happened. I knew it wasn't real, but still, it was just the fact that we see a scene where Claire is taken to the Gallows, and she has a news placed around her. And Richard Brown is there in the crowd looking like he is pleased as punch.

3:43 And then, they push her off and she is actually hung. Now, I knew that that wasn't real But just the visual of it like how close Claire is to actually dying. I was so Disturbed was hard to see. I was Disturbed and then I thought it was clear like maybe having a dream or, you know, kind of panicking. But no, it was Jamie. I thought it was real and I was thinking, oh, James out to come in, shoot the Rope or something are, you know, they're not going to kill clear off. Look, they got. This is no. I We were gonna be close like she was gonna be right there on the edge and he was going to come in and save her.

4:26 Oh, what not after what happened with Roger, Roger? That's like, okay, we go get here. My okay. Maybe, you know, Christy about to do something I'm like nah this is now a dream. Okay. Because I know it's not otherwise real right? Cuz she was just sitting there dangling. I was just like, yeah, the nerve of them showing that to us but it was Jamie. Basically, you know, we get his voice over here. He's talking about his fears, he was like, okay, I can't let my fears take over me. I know you're not dead. I would have felt it if you were now, I need to go get my wife. So you see him and end start on this journey on Horseback to go get Claire. Meanwhile, Claire is in the jail, and she's making acquaintance with her cellmate and the lady who's in charge of the prisoners, and they're having some conversations. And one of the things that trip It was Claire's voice over because she was talking about how she couldn't tell the other ladies.

5:29 Just how long this war was going to be in there because they were talking about. Oh yeah, you want to look you don't want you don't want them to rush you to trial because they can't try you. They can't hang you. So yes. We're going to sit here for a while. You know, it might be a few months because the magistrates are all you know gone there they're fleeing for their lives again. And Claire says, something about in her in her voiceover. She says something about how she knew how long this was going to be and it would probably be months that they would have to sit there with no one to rescue them. Said, must've forgot who she was married to, she wouldn't talk about herself. Look to what's up - we okay cuz I when I was thinking she wasn't really thinking about herself.

6:18 I thought she was thinking about these Young ladies. I was like, it's clearly, you know, clearly, first of all, if even your husband, your daughter, your son in law, you got a whole slew of family who will come and rescue from prison, right? Well, I mean, if you think about it from Claire's point of view Roger Brianna are gone. There gone to eat and sin so that Roger can study to be a minister, right? But he's gonna have to come back, he's gonna have to come back, but who knows how long that's gonna be? And no one there. If you think about the way the, the crowd was the, you know, the residents of Fraser's Ridge. When Richard Braun came to take Claire, most of them were siding with Richard Brown because they and I'm not talking about that family.

7:05 I'm talking about her immediate family. Unity have to be in prison for six months. No 1, Roger. And Brianna, even if they do come back, they're supposed to be gone for two months. So even if they do come back, two months later. Who's going to Tell them where Claire is nobody, at that point knows where Claire is, because the town that Richard Brown was supposed to take her to have a judge. So remember they've ridden over 200 miles. Roger Brianna wouldn't even know where to start. So no. But realistically we don't put them out the way because they're yeah. But what? I learned Jamie, right? But what I learned what I learned about, I mean, I'm just saying, just keep Jamie was around.

7:49 She would have got Rescue. What I have learned about these ladies, though. They have a good gossip system, that is better than social media. So, we will know our family with a figure out, where she was probably because they talk, it's probably. So, but yeah, I just found that funny. I was like, Claire, do you not remember who you're married to do you? Yeah. That's why, that's why that's why I need to think travel through time and space to be together. You really think Jamie is going to be like, Oh, I'm just, I'm not gonna Search high and low. I mean clear you did it for him when he was taken by the English. You traveled, the whole freaking Countryside dancing in taverns, trying to figure out where the hell he was.

8:32 So of course, I'm gonna come and rescue you. That's right. So that's why they even take her serious heat about these. Are the ladies gonna be in this prison for a while? She knows he was getting out, right. But, um, so we have that opening scene. And then, of course, here we go. Some men, one in uniform. What? Not quite in uniform, come to the jail. They're looking for the Healer, and they're like, what is she here for? And no one can sing the tell them or no? One will seem to tell them what she's there for. They're like, okay well, What's her name is Sadie. Who was in there for forgery?

9:14 She tells them oh, well, she's in here for forgery. I'm the murderer is, you know, I'm not the one you want. Take her take her. So of course, Claire gets to a ship. She's being brought aboard to see about the governor's wife who was heavily pregnant and apparently not feeling well and they are fleeing for their lives as well because the townspeople have rebelled. They were trying to attack the governor Now, is it just me? What does Claire needs? Just stay away from boats. She just need one. She needs to stop being kidnapped. She needs to stay away from both. It never works out well for her. No never. It never works out well for her, so here she is on this boat. She's on this boat you know the the governor's wife figures out who she is and you know she's got oh yeah your new notoriously.

10:11 Oh are you going to take my baby? Are you going to harm my baby? You're the one who cut the baby out of your husband's, just all this stuff, all the information and I'm thinking you fleeing for your life on this boat and you got all the tea all the tea I said well damn they don't even have you were quite the Talk of the Town, of course, she's Go get all the gossip, all of it, but she knew everything she was like, he had, my husband doesn't pay attention to this kind of stuff. He's and he's no good with names, not like I am know, Claire was sitting there. Like, can I go back to the jail now? But you know she wins over the governor's wife.

10:53 You know when she makes it very obvious, that she knows what she's doing, she knows what she's talking about. She's like look, I didn't kill her. I'm a Healer that's kind of contrary to what I do and it's like even though the woman kept talking, kept talking Claire, never lost her temper. Clear. Just kept on was like, okay look I'm here to help you. So that's what I'm going to do. You need to start taking all the shit? You been taking all the timings are you taking in the morning before breakfast? I take one before. Brunch I take one before I go to sleep, I was like lady you got too much shit in your sister, right? Right? That's why you're a sick. Like stop and then she's like, aren't you going to Let it be this.

11:39 Y'all like learn by this point, that that does not work and help anybody. Oh, so anyway, Claire is, you know, she's on this boat. She goes to talk to the governor about things that, you know, his wife is going to need. And what they, what they need to do, she was like, look she needs to, she needs to go back. You need to have a doctor. He was like, excuse me, you are the doctor you are here. She was like, when are you taking me back? Had, if you haven't noticed, my wife is pregnant. You not going back. I was like, it would go that me to. I was like, they'd been not go off the seat. I can't do this. I can't do this right now because to be honest with you, to be honest with you, since I have not read the books, I don't know where we going. So I'm thinking, are we about to have another Journey on the Seas?

12:24 So I mean here's the funny thing because if I'm not mistaken, I think that the event that's happening here happens in book. I want to say six echo on the phone and if you remember me, tell you that's where I stopped reading because they're on this bowl and they have to deal with pirates and they have to deal with this. And then the other and I was like, Is this where we are in the story because I don't know because I don't know if you've heard any new since she's been back because you were gone for what a week and a half, they've discussed that Outlanders final season, or these last two seasons will cover the rest of the books that's out so far.

13:10 So they're going to go all the way to book nine. Okay. So I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna give us the book. Test of y'all can't. What? Yes, I was about to say. What about book, 10? Right? Especially, Really since book 10 has the oh so important reveal about Jamie being in the Square. You know, his ghost being in the school that's when that information is supposed to be put into the story. So I'm gonna close the show out and not do that unless they're going to have Diana. Come in and said, okay, this is kind of sort of where you need to steer the story but I don't know because that's a lot. You're King 123 just talking three books.

13:54 And as a lot of material, not granted, they have 16 episodes this season, but next season, I think if I'm not mistaken, I think there's not as many. It's only a seven or eight episode season. So how are you going to do all of this? Well, like we said they seem to be clearing up some story lines, right? This one at least you know or they'll be at the end and they be like to find out more you need to read book 10. But they better give me. They better tied up with a bow at the end of this. Yeah they better make it, make it, make it have some attend just case. I don't read book ten, they need to have some attending, their why? No decided because they are taking aspects from all of the remaining books and putting them into this season. And next season, I'm just going to wait to read the books because I don't want to do that whole. Oh, this is what they kept in.

14:52 This is what they took out and how is this going to make? To do this. I'm just going to wait until the end of next season and then I'll start again from the beginning. I may start from the beginning before that, and read up until where we are in the story. Anything past that, I'm just going to have to be patient and wait, yeah, I don't want to look at it and be like, oh, this is what they kept. Oh, they should have given us another season to fully exploit. Yeah, I'm awake. Oh wait. Okay. So Claire's on the boat. Boat. Jamie is on his way to find her and of course they do this. Like literally ships Crossing in the night, she gets taken and literally a few hours later Jamie and show up in town Tom Christie is coming out of the jail and he's like she's gone. Jamie is like you were supposed to keep track of her. Uh scuse me he's not he's not a guard. Claire is a prisoner and I don't know how they do jail back then, but I know here you have to have special permission in order to see visitors, when you are locked up because you are supposedly a criminal, they're not going to give you any special considerations time.

16:10 They're not like the guard will. Let me sit out here all night. I have brought what have though? He would have. That's how he said it was like you were supposed to be watching her but the car wouldn't let me see here. All night. I came first This morning and she was already gone right? Like dude, I tried So, of course, Jamie goes into the jail. He questions, the ladies, he finds out, they Claire's been taken. So now he's got to go off and look for her again. I was like, you know what? They just, you know, we had this conversation last season. And we were, like I was supposed to be together because those sure are going through a lot. Now, I still feel in my heart of hearts Claire and date. Jamie are destined but good grief. They but they keep getting pulled away from each other. Oh my God and they're not only that. So while Jamie is in town, he notices a very recognizable horse, you know, he just kind of looks at and I was like, And I think, I know who that horse belongs to didn't confirm it until the end of the episode, but Jamie is in town like, okay, one, I got to figure out how to get my wife back to. I got to take care of this motherfucker. Who's the reason why she's pushing in the first place because the horse belongs to Richard Brown. Hmm.

17:35 On top of that. Claire is on the ship. She goes to talk to the governor and who is there, but major McDonald and I was like Dude, can y'all not get away from the scummy Redcoats? Like, everywhere you go and this guy, like, this is the man who Jamie pissed off when he was like, yeah, you know what, you can have your red coat Wimmer to die, right? So he is just bursting at the gills to tell the governor, everything he can about Claire. Oh, yeah. She's the, she's the one that supposedly murdered the woman and took her child out the belly. It's Your wife pregnant.

18:21 That's what you hear. Oh, you better want to reap? I was like, you know what this but when they believed would see first, when they first, who was in the room, it was like clear kept cutting them off where he was trying to get all the information out there. She was trying, she was it. Is he gonna get it out about to spill all the teeth? Oh, yeah. And by the way, her husband is a traitor. He's one of the rebels. He's not, he's not on Want to guess the crime who's like and they just actual great. But I like the fact that she held her own with the governor You know, she basically was like, look, you need me to help your wife.

19:04 This is what the real deal is. Blah blah blah. I need some with the she said, I need some supplies in order to treat your wife. Especially after you just told me that I can't go back. Like, I don't know. Anybody else who want to go back to jail, but I think in this situation, Claire would it because she doesn't know where they're going. She has no way to really tell Jamie where they are. She doesn't even know if Jamie is alive. At this point because again, they were separated and this is Richard Brown and his people. So her thing is okay, let me get some supplies. Let me write this note and the note gets two Tom Christie.

19:44 Now Tom Christie since their he examines the note and when he was reading the note, the way he was looking I was like yeah they're gonna reveal the he's in love with her, it's kind of obvious at this point, that's where they're going. But also at the same time, it's like when he reads the low line and in the note that we find out later, means my husband, that I feel like, you know, we were so I won't say conflicted about Tom Christie and the last season, but he just was not a likable person when we first meet him. And then, yes, him soften a little bit towards the end of the season to the point where we are, we discussed. Okay.

20:31 Yeah. He might have some feelings for Claire, or he might feel overly protective or he might feel guilty. Oh, no. This dude is in love with her, but not. So in love with her that he's like, okay, I'm not going to tell her husband. I'm going to go and rescue her or whatever cuz It's not him. Yes, you don't want him, she want her husband. So finally he gives he gives the note to Jamie, he was like, Hey I know where Claire is, here's the note, Jamie makes it over to the boat. He sees clear reunions? Yeah, I'm like. Okay, they're about to get her off this boat. I should know better. It's not gonna be that easy.

21:12 It's not gonna be that easy because the governor takes Jamie to task for betraying the cry. Crown and then he's like, okay I'll give you your wife back when you go home to Fraser's Ridge and you get me two hundred soldiers to fight for the crown and you come back. I was like, well, this is not happening. I'm sitting about to kidnap clear off this boat. That's what I thought I was like, they don't wait until the night. They have escaped clean, right? It's like, I'm not bringing no 200 soldiers. He was like, I don't even have 200 soldiers. And think about it, half the people on the ridge right now. Don't really like him because they think he slept with malva Christy.

22:00 Mmm, so yeah, that's not gonna happen. I was like, yeah, if you heard this much about Jamie's character and his reputation, I'm sure you've heard the other bids. This might not be the fight that you want especially when you don't have all of your resources on hand because only for your own life. Jamie could have came back with the The rebel soldiers have been like here. I found this boat here. Come help me. Rescue my wife and you. All right, he could have easily done that and he wanted for and they would have killed everybody on the boat. Even you'll even his wife so take pregnant wife, right?

22:41 So But Jamie doesn't one better one. He sends in home to the Ridge and I was think at that point, I was like, why are you sending in home? Ian could clearly help you in the situation. If you are planning to just go and you know, escort Court, Claire off the boat, but Tom Christie at that point taste Jamie to the side. And he was like, look. So what we're going to do is I'm going to confess now, before we go there, a reason I say, he may have sent me home was just in case he does rescue Claire, and they send people to The Ridge in can protect everyone. Who's at the ridge busy, you know, the twins. So I'm like, he's like okay, let me send him there because they're gonna come looking for us and want to burn things down tear things down because me and Claire gonna go into. Hi Hiding.

23:41 Yeah. Yeah, he wouldn't be able to go back to The Ridge, at least, not for a while. Maybe I don't, I don't know where to go to New Bern to Ferguson marks, no, because he wouldn't put them in danger. So, you know, they'll be on hiding. Yeah. But at the time I was like, um, even this quite proficient with that bow, you might need that. Yeah, so I think he was sending under from, from the water and just be done with it. But I think it's sad that we playing the man's murder but anyway we just knew it was it was going to happen at some point. Jamie was going to get his wife back. There was no question about that but then like I said, Tom Christie pulled him to the side and he confesses to my was murder. now, Jamie is not stupid, no name is like, but you didn't do this, you didn't do this and not only that, because of the type of person that Tom Christie is, He would not have let Claire go through what she had gone through, if he was the one that was really guilty. So at this point, once he confesses this and he and Jamie are having this conversation, you don't know if it's that he actually did it, maybe it was an accident, you know, if he knows who did it, my thought was, he knows who did it, which Really leads me to think he's pretty.

25:11 He might be protecting his son, because you remember Alan was very overprotective of malva. And he was, you know, when Claire was still trying to befriend her last season even after the allegations, he was the one that was like, you stay away from her you, right? And he was acting funny at that funeral. So I still. Yeah is a little suspect. Yeah. But I know it's not Daddy. So, you know, I don't think Tom, Christy has it in him. Not, not to that point. I mean granny. Yes, we know that he was in ours newer because he was a Jacobite, which means he fought in the War, which means he probably killed people, but war is different thing. Yeah, this is deflated.

26:01 Malvo was killed. Was so that was, that was personal. We said that. That was personal, you know what I'm saying? So I don't know if it was that, you know, if he was the one that did it, if he did it because she shamed the house, she shamed the family, if he did it because he was pissed at her, you know, if he found out she could have found out that she was lying and got pissed off about that. Like you made me go accuse an innocent man of this you know, ruining his reputation ruined, you know, that kind of thing. It seems like Tom Christie would that would matter to him. You know, as much of a religious man, he isn't as much of a quote-unquote righteous man.

26:50 He is So it was possible but I don't think he did it. Jamie doesn't think he did it but he convinces Jamie in such a way that I think Jamie suspects why he's gonna do it, but he was like, I can't, your wife needs to be here with you. You need to be here with your wife. You are you know he admits you are you are a person that I respect and I hope the same of me like when he asked. Jamie you know he said what did he say? You spoke? So Eloquently about such a such. I wonder if if I die. Oh, about malva. I wonder, what would you say? You know at my funeral and he makes Jamie tell him and Jamie also admits that he respects him as well. Yeah it was so beautiful.

27:37 That was nice. It was especially was also honest. Yes. Also honest like you're a stubborn, right? But it was a nice. It was a nice change from the push and pull. Of you know what they what they went through last season. So anyway, Tom Christie comes to the boat, Claire seems him and she's kind of confused because she's like, Jamie supposed to be coming back. What are you doing here? And he actually gets the guard to let him have some time with Claire before he goes to the governor and he confesses to her that he killed malva, blah, blah, blah. And she's looking at him.

28:18 Like I don't believe you. Why would you do this? Yes. And that's when he confesses to her, that he loves her. He was like you know, I've always wondered if I was worthy of Love or if I will find love the right, you know? The right kind of love and then he talks about mouth as mother. Yes, we find out for sure. That malva is not his daughter. She's actually his niece while he was in our senior his wife took up with his brother, right? And it wasn't her first. I'm doing that. It's not like, you know, you know, you'll be like, oh, you know, they were closed because he was in prison.

28:58 Nah, she was doing this before too. Yeah, I'll say oh, poor man. She was not at she was not a faithful woman known as he said. She was a witch used to beguile man and he said he saw the same in malva. So he tells clear that, that was why he killed her, Claire still not believe in him, which good for you Claire because this just like, again, I don't see the with the type of person Tom Christie is I don't see him allowing her to go through everything that she went through. Like they shot up her house. They threw stones at her and, you know, I don't see him allowing her to go through all of that if he knew he was guilty, if he had actually done it. So when ham, right?

29:50 So he makes his confession to her that, he loves her. And when she tries to talk him out of it, he was like, look, if I had to give my life, let it be for something worthy like this. A love worthy like this. Now, I really like Tom Christy last season, but I found myself in Channel at the same and I did too. And you look, that's when I say you we saw it coming when he literally was like when Jamie has said earlier on that, you were supposed to be watching her and he was like, they wouldn't let me sit with her all night. I tried, so I gotta Berkeley and they are, you got those emotions and stuff of my oh they softening him some whatnot.

30:34 Because you really even at the end of last season when she got locked up and he gave her the money and then he grabbed her hand and I was like yep. Yeah. So it's like now I'm like okay now I need to forget that. I wanted this man to fall off a horse and died. Very emphatically. You did. However, I still stand by. Okay. Now, Do not fall off the horse and die because clear need him. Maybe fall doors and break a leg because he was still beating his daughter. This is, which is still even though it's not his daughter, he still related to her because that's his brothers child. And you didn't need to get your hand fixed so that you can beat her. We have to remember these things because I will forget and feel all like, oh, he's saving her life because of love.

31:22 Yes, I'm glad that he discovered love at the end. I do. I think he made everyone feel a little bit early, and I think that might have been part of, at least, that's how I'm reading it. It's how I feel. I feel like that that might have been part of his issue with Malvern. Why he was so angry with her like Angry enough to beat her because I feel like because she because she accused Jamie, that hurt Claire. And I think he was pissed off about that. Well, the beatings were before that because we didn't see him beating afterwards. So he's been beating her but I know why he was beating her because he was beating her because of his issues with her mom. And her.

32:05 Yeah, and one of the things at will and one of the things that we do because we the person I'm related to, I live with whoever he says, we were talking about this about how with parents and we all do it to some degree. We sometimes take some of our past issues and apply towards our kids. So for him, a lot of that beating was yes, her mom in the issue with his brother and then how he can see her being next. In person. So when he looks at her, that's all, all that. Trauma with her is taking upon him. Not her brother. Yes. Let's not a brother. Yeah, let's not forget to mention that his, what the reason why he is a widower is because his wife was hung because she poisoned his brother.

32:54 She murdered his brother. Yes. So it's a lot of trauma. Yeah, because he realized that malva tried to do the same thing too. Claire and him when they got sick. Last everybody else had the flux. They had something that was completely different and he tells Claire I discovered it. You know I realized it when I caught her with the What did they call the CM bones? Hmm. And Claire was like, what? Because I think they are still still thought that girl was innocent. Yeah, I think she still had that in her mind. Like, okay. She's yeah, this is not her but I and she thought she was like, oh, love spell. Oh, because remember, they found remnants of love spells around the Ridge and they thought it was one of the single women when I thought it was the little Who had the crush on Roger, you know, they were like, oh somebody's doing this is kind of innocent, you know, not harmful but you know her head of the Senators fingers that kind of means she might kill the senator, so, yeah.

34:04 But I'm saying we're Chrissy, I'm I hate that he took all of that and applied it towards malva because then that pushed her to what she was doing and I don't even necessarily think it pushed her, she was going to do it anyway. To be honest with you, if he was beating her or not Not, but he found love and peace before the end of his life because he's just never thought he would really truly feel those feelings and he does. Yeah. So I have a little place for him, he can now does fall off the horse and break a leg and I actually fall off a horse and died. Well, leaving. But I'm gonna say this he repented, as of the end of the episode, like, we didn't see execution.

34:48 We didn't see a body and what is it Casey. And I've been saying this a lot over the last couple. He's not dead yet. You'll see a body. Yes, but however, she doesn't have to go to jail. She's not gonna be tried to go home, and he just has to sit there. The only thing I wanted and I was like, touch him. Like touches shoulder, like give a hug, oh, would have done that? Because I think she realized the enormity of his feelings for her and one knowing that she didn't return those feelings into knowing that it's because of those feelings that he is there ready to die for her?

35:36 I know she'd have been able to even I think she might have felt like, it would have been over. Stepping because, I mean, if I think for him it would be because, you know, he's all he already don't then. Like when she was like trying to work on his hand and getting close to her, so I felt that. But I just want to say like this man is about to die for you. Like am I high five or something? I mean, on the cheeks. Yeah, I was like the kiss. Maybe too much, but a little pat on the back. Thank you. You know, I would never forget you something, she looked at him, but she had tears, he had tears. He didn't really give her a chance, because when she got up and she, I think she started to approach him. He was like guard, I'm ready.

36:20 But she had tears in her eyes and I think that was enough for him, because I think if she had reached out to him, even in the most minut way he probably would have lost his nerve. Yeah, through the broke down that and I think there might have been like a small tiny part of him who might have been like Oh, this is possible. You know, oh, she feels something for me. She doesn't want me to go to my death even though he knows in his heart, that's not true. You know, we always have that little deceptive voice. That's telling us things that we don't need to hear. And he might have had that voice of shit, giving him any kind of comfort or any kind of any sign of affection.

37:00 He probably would have been like, oh maybe I am worthy. Maybe it maybe. I don't have to, you know what I'm saying, it right. I just we said something about Christy knowing and protecting but you know what, he may not really know because he's still question Jamie at the end about what he did. And so I want this man before he dies to get the truth to. Yeah, but I mean I think the conversation that he had with Jamie Jamie, I think that speaks volumes because for you to tell this man who you previously. Liked who you previously had no respect for for you to tell him?

37:44 He is a man of Honor for you to tell him that you respect him for you to do what you're doing, so that he can be with his wife. I think. I think while they were on the road with the Browns, he had more of an opportunity to observe them. Just the two of them as opposed to the two of them on the ridge, with their kids, with their grandkids being people, he had an opportunity to look at the two of them and to see how close that bond is between Jamie and Claire. And I think, at that point, he realized there is no way in the world this man.

38:24 I'm would have cheated on his wife. There's no, he's still. But he still brought it up, though. So, I think he still. He still question. I think he's still. You just don't know. He just don't know. But again, Jamie like I swore my body to this woman for the rest of my life before during and after death, just to be sure. But I think it's more about Claire. Yeah. Like I said are you sure? And even if he did it's still this is still for Here he don't you get looks in about Jamie. This is for Clayton. Yeah, that's true. He just be like, I hope Claire deserve gets what she deserved. You better not done nothing because she deserves the world, right?

39:07 Like you better learn the sacrifice, that's right. Which, I mean, he's entitled to think because he's about a double literally about to go and allow yourself to be killed for something that you probably did not do. So that the woman that you love can be happy and can be safely. That's huge. You know what I'm saying? Especially for it to be someone who she has. Never led him on, she is never giving him any indication that. Oh, this is something that could be like you are doing this, purely on the strength of the love you bear, for her.

39:54 That's major it is, but it goes back to like that first episode even though it said more about, you know, men being in her bed. But, you know, she's a spirit that, you know, being are attracted to. Yeah, because she's not like everybody else, right? Yeah. Isn't that what the woman got? I told her when she was reading her hand. I'm saying in the South. Yeah. Miss yes Graham. Yes. So it is me and falling for they are but I mean yeah that kind of tracks but before we go to the end of what happened with with Jamie and and clear in this episode next step away from them for a minute and let's go to Roger and Briana because they are in Edenton you know Rogers there to start his ministerial training and As he is, I had to laugh because it was so funny. I was like, where are they going with this? So as they're sitting there trying to minister to some soldiers, you know, the soldiers are like oh so you fought at the Battle of Alum.

41:05 As what did you do, carry the White Flag because of course they lost you know, the rebels did he was like you know we need to be taught how to fight and how to hold a weapon. Your book is not going to tell you that. What is in that book that's going to help me and The the actual Minister looks at Roger like here's your time to shine, so Roger C glow like a butterfly sting like a bee and maybe God will help me or something like that. And somebody turns and says I lie and Rogers looking like and it's a wendigo fucking Donner. I was like, okay so we're going to see how this plays out so Roger goes over to him that's when to go finds. He was like you're a traveler like me. Look I you know, I'm not a thief, they got me from jail but I'm not a thief.

41:56 I just, you know, I just needed a gemstone so I can get home and he was like, you have to help me and Rogers like what who are you? Wendigo Donna and Roger look, it's almost like he was about to attack but then he realized where he was and what he was doing, right? Like I can't go back to that life. I can't go back to that life. As I'm going to stab you, right? Jamie say, kill them all. You are part of that all because you didn't help her, he was like, I didn't she tell you? I was going to help her do know. She said you didn't help her.

42:37 She said you didn't help her and you re yes, you could have helped her but then you left which I mean, if he is a weak enough person that he couldn't stand up to lying around, I won't even call him weak. Like he said, they would have killed him. They would have those men, they would have. So, I do feel a little sympathetic for him. I do understand what Rocky can help to be honest with you. He couldn't help her in that situation. Let's just be truthful. They both too many, right? It's too many of them and just write. But of course, Briana doesn't understand that all she knows is, this is the man who could have helped my mother and instead stood, by while she was brutally assaulted. I have no sympathy and Rogers trying to not necessarily plead with her, but he's trying to say, sometimes people, you know, their situations people find themselves in where they can't speak of, they can't stand up and she was right? You would never do that.

43:36 He was like, don't forget when I came here to find you. I got on a boat with Stephen Bonnet. And I saw him throw a woman in a, I saw him throw a child off the boat, because he was scared of, you know, this infection and the mother went after the child. He was like, I stood by and let that happen, because for me, finding you was more important or getting to you and I couldn't, you know, I could have been killed as well. I mean, we all know what Stephen Bond, it was. If Roger has stepped up against him. I mean, we saw will be thrown off that boat to write or worse. He could have been stabbed, he would have done something. Because I think throwing a woman or a child off a boat for Stephen Bonnet.

44:20 For the likes of him that was probably merciful but he wouldn't have done that to a man. He wouldn't have been that merciful he would have been cruel. Think about when we saw him in the fighting pits and he stabbed the old dude and eyes you could have been that he would have been that Jim tour that merciful to Roger. He would have really brutalized him and killed him and had fun while doing it so I can understand him having sympathy for wendigo Donner. But of course, Gran is not going to see it in that way. And so you kind of see her and Roger have a little bit of a tiff because Rogers trying to help him Escape so he can go home. Because when the girl says that's all he wants to do he just wants to go home.

45:05 Yeah. Rihanna is that whatever. But Roger made perfect sense. So you really, you can't judge how someone's going to react in a situation because you don't know it could he could have been Shocked like, you know, he first of all, when we come in from the future to the Past, we're not used to how y'all handle things. And I keep on like this is what we doing right now, okay, I'm going to try to run away from this because I don't believe in kidnapping women into. I'm not, I'm not into this Roger, you know, he coming back. He on the boat and it's man throwing a kid overboard.

45:46 Like, oh, we doing this now? Okay. Well, I'm gonna keep my mouth closed because I got figure out this situation. I remember you, of course, right. Of course, you want someone to help you out if you're on the other end, but you all know freezing or something like that, because I think there is a side-story not a real life-size story where I think a cop went into a building and it was just him. And the person who had an assault rifle and he just had like a small pistol and they were like, why you do something? He's like and what am I supposed to do? He was into it was just them two in the building but like like his gun is over the situation, right?

46:29 His gun is all overpowering me so I don't it is no way I can work around that. So you have to sometimes think about the situation. Yeah, we would have wanted him to help Claire. He didn't, he said, he tried, I don't really think he did. But if Yeah, but we can still help him out, so he can get home because maybe try to get home to his wife and kids. Yeah, we don't know, or fiance or child? Well, I mean, if you think about it, he came with, he was one of the five members with other tooth. Hmm. Came back through the stones and ask he says, when they went through the stones at Ocracoke and they were all separated.

47:10 He was like, I never saw any of them again. I didn't even go to where I was supposed to be. I came back. Back to help the Indians, you know. So he's just one, he's out of his time to. He doesn't have the people that he was with with him. He didn't make it to where he was supposed to go. Then he gets into this group of people who turn out to be pretty despicable people correct. What these are people that are Helping you keeping you safe because, you know, of course, back, then you're safer if you travel in a group, especially with a group, like, Lionel Brown warming. So, and he doesn't love Claire like, blue, I never met you before.

47:57 Right. But I mean, you would think the fact that oh she's a, she's a traveler. So maybe she can help me get home. But again, when is you and this woman against what it was about, Amen. Yeah, the math and math. And in that Yahweh, she is not. So I mean I totally understand how he didn't help. I get that. Well, I've been pissed off. Yes. But y'all looking at him like I ready to stab him in his throat. Give him a chance. Yeah, Megan redeem himself to yeah. But again like I said I can understand coming from Brianna's point of view as I can to especially as a person who herself was into that situation.

48:40 Raishin, Mmm. Yeah, Yeah. I can understand and eventually Roger does see her point or a I guess I would say he concedes it because to him. His relationship with Briana is more important than wendigo Donner, right? Like okay, you know what? Let him go north, he might can find his own way home, he might be able to escape, I'm not going to help him at, you know, I took, I said, I pray for him and and my conscience will be clear. You know, at this point, I'm leaving it up, I'm leaving it up to God's hands. So you know, at this point, That's all they can do. Because what else, what else can you do? Are you going to break the law to help this man escaping? Then what happens if they find out that Roger was the one who helped him?

49:36 Write the term investor. Yeah, you can talk to him when they first got there. He was like these young men have been conscripted to go to war. He was like, we're not here to judge. What side they fight on. We're just here to offer spiritual guidance. And I helped me escape. Is you kind of choose away taking the side? Yeah, it is. So Yeah, I went to go down there. I guess you just going to have to go to war because Rogers, not going to help you round is not going to help you.

50:18 And again, like I said, I understand Rogers reasoning. But I do understand Brianna says, well, you know, I do too, and since that's the one you have to live with. You might as well just gone ahead and be like, okay, you know what, you don't want me to having your baby? Who's having your baby who is right? What are you through all of this stuff? So yeah, right so hmm. Yeah. So anyway, um, I guess we can go talk about the end of the episode because I don't think they're I think we've covered most of the episode. This is really really important stuff happens at least for me. Happens towards the end because of course Jamie Gets Claire back.

51:04 And they're lying in bed and Claire. She looks so small, like she looks so helpless because she knows that Tom Christie lied. And she also is aware that he loves her. And she feels so racked with guilt about the fact that he is sacrificing himself, so that she could be free, you know? And Jamie tries to come for her about it. Like, look, this is his life if this is how he chooses to, you know, this is the path that he chooses. You have to respect him and allow him to do that. She doesn't feel good about it but she can't do anything else about it.

51:50 No, so she falls asleep. And as soon as she's asleep, Jamie gets up and he leaves the room and I was like, is he about to go break time Christie? Like that's what I'm thinking. Like oh, she's upset about it. He's about to go, great. Tom Christie know what he does is so much better. Yes, girl. So we we get Richard Brown, who is Is there in town? I guess he was, he was going to stay until he made sure that they hung Claire. He comes into his room and Jamie is sitting in the corner. When I saw Jamie sitting in the corner, the way he was sitting, I said, oh this is about to be some shit like they're about to he. I'm thinking they're about to get into a fight. Hmm.

52:39 When I say Jamie was so cool. Calm, calm and collected very much so. And the way that he so the lighting in the room it was very dark so you couldn't really see. There was a lot of Shadow so when, when Jamie lights I think he'll it he lit a match or something and so you could only see like half of his profile and the rest of it was in Shadow is the fireplace. Yeah. The fireplace was on he was sitting by the fireplace. Yes. And I was like, oh, this is it. Out to be. Crazy. And, you know, he just started speaking, he was like I saw you, I saw your horse. I'd know him anywhere I had to ride behind us, but for 200, you know, staring at his butt for 200 miles, and, and brown. You gotta admit at first, he seems like he wants to be tough but at the same time, if Jamie Fraser is sitting in your room, he knows that you tried to have him killed. Hmm.

53:47 He's like oh so you didn't go back to Scotland, man. He's trying to make conversation. I guess trying to plan in his mind how he's about to him this situation. So Jamie starts, you know, just again asking questions or saying what he's saying, you know, rich brown tries to offer him a drink and Jim is like chill, drink. It was like, you're going to need this for after Richard. Brown was like after what it was like, you know, do anything. He said, if you harm a hair on my head, he was like my kin. Will hunt you down? Jamie said, uh-huh, already here of that. As we, my nephew, my My nephew Johnny, we get you tortured and the Cherokee are all taken care of your men right now, so they won't be bothering us.

54:37 That's when you start to see that Panic. Slowly. Going over Richard Browns face, he was like, you wouldn't do anything to me. You're a good man or moral man. Jamie was like, I'm also a violent, man. Any good? That is within me is good to my wife. And you tried to take her from me. I was like, I was sitting there watching this like this, I was like, oh, this is about to be good. Now, I will say this, for this scene, the thing that made me mad was that we didn't see Richard Brown, get his Justice. No, because they do know there's a body, you don't have to be guessing later if he's dead or not.

55:18 He's dead, right? He oh, he's dead. He's dead. You just the way that they even did that, it's almost Like it's almost like a Batman thing, you know, how Batman, or threaten somebody and then all of a sudden he he pulls the cape and you see nothing but black and you already know that that person is being taken care of when I say, Jamie was so cool and he was looking at Richard Brown, so intently and Ridge, Route is still sitting there. Like you're not going to kill me. You wouldn't Kill Me In Cold Blood. You wouldn't dare. The FED make your peace with the Lord, if you must mr. Brown, you get the music and then all of a sudden, you see, Jamie go towards him and then it fades to Black. It was like, yeah, I'm not going to show us what he did know. And that's why I'm like Tyler with the bow, we got late because I was Claire is, is not on trial in Morsi been cleared and your brows situation is over because you were tired of the brown, the brown.

56:22 You're done. There's there's no more Browns. There's no. Finally because when I say that goddamn story line, I know you always like I'm tired of the Browns. I want this to be wrapped up is it's been wrapped up for you. Thank you. Because between him and his brother, his brother was still that storyline and the whole ethos that that still was the most irritating. I think, for me that was probably the most irritating plot point. And all of the seasons of Outlander line of brown. Yeah, they dug. That went into the ground. I'm glad it's over, but now, I'm glad Richard Brown is over.

57:04 I'm glad clear safe. We don't have to do any of this anymore. Let's move on and see what the hell else they're about to get into because, you know, they're not gonna stay out of trouble for too long. Mmm trouble. Just seems to follow them. But I tell you, this episode was such a good episode to come back because everything flowed in a good at a good Pace, you got your closure of your brown situation, we owe you know. You got your closure over Brown situation? Yes, you got your closure, may be of the Christie situation.

57:46 I mean, we don't know what we are, interested in know the murder, right? And we'll know what Alan is the murderer, right? At least we do have closure on that in, in that Claire was no longer accused of her murder. She can go back home, she can go back to living her regular life. I mean, as regular as it It can be for you to have been a part of this, this journey and this trauma. I mean, because again, they went through a lot, they got attacked, she got attacked. Her more character has been attack her husband, her husband's more characters been attached, you know, someone that she considered a friend has sacrificed himself for her, not only that has unrequited love for her and she has to make. She's I have to find some kind of way to make peace with that because how do you reconcile yourself to something like that? Like, that's, that's survivor's.

58:47 Guilt one-on-one. Like someone sacrifice themselves for you. And now you have to sit there and kind of pick up the pieces and understand why this happened. And, you know, it's like, for Claire. She's probably going to sit there and think was there. Something I could have done to prevent this. Like I didn't encourage him. I didn't make him fall in love with me. That wasn't anything that she was trying. To do yet. It happened. Anyway, she's gonna feel a little guilty about that, even though that is nothing, she could have controlled, you know, we don't control who we fall in love with especially for a situation like his like he basically swore off love. He didn't think it was in the cards for him and especially after what he went through, why would you a lot of people would be like, yeah, I'm not. Yeah, his heart was hardened, so But you know, this is Claire. We're talking about.

59:41 Yep, that's all I'm saying. Yep. I enjoyed this up. So I thought it was I thought it was so good. We got, we got so many different size to Jamie, you know, you got the tough side, you got the tender side, you got, I'm sorry, that was a little bit of red, Jamie coming back but he's wrecked more calm version. He wasn't the older older woman. Yes. Older more mature. Yes, red Jamie but he was still like I am a Mormon, but I'm a violent man to let me show you just how much definitely. You know, Jamie's reputation.

1:00:22 This is a man who killed your brother, wrapped him up and then brought him to your doorstep and laid him very gently on the floor. See that's what brown but see at that point Brown thought located, see, he's a good man, because his brother did do something. And he brought me, my brother said I was nice of him. See you, anybody who will kill somebody and then calmly bring them back and show respect. That's the sign of a mind. That ain't wrapped too tight but see ground. And think about that. He was like he's a kind man because of that because he brought my brother and I don't care. I'm not bringing your body back to your wife but I won't kill you. Life is will probably be glad about it very happily, but just, but we learn from. We learn from this episode to turn his body back. So we can see how the baby is doing, but it's okay. We also, we also see how this season is going to go, because that means we're going to move with a different type of pace since we trying to get different things, taken care of three books worth of stuff, right?

1:01:31 So I see we got Be moving a little bit. Yeah. So I mean I'm here for it, me too. Um, I think the only complaint and I don't even really know if I if I would call it a complaint because I think when I watch I watch the episode before we started, discussing it tonight and that was like, maybe my third or fourth watch. I did not like the new thing song I was about to ask you about that and like maybe she'll get to it at the end not like it when I first heard it and then the more I hear it I'm like okay it's not so bad.

1:02:11 I think the part that I don't like is the breathiness when you're singing it and I've heard a lot of people discussing and they're like oh she sings it, which such emotion. Such passion is Sinead O'Connor, who's singing it. And I understand that, but I also like, I have Sinead O'Connor's voice one way in my mind and it's very strong and it's very, you know, husky but not breathy. I don't like breathy singing and she does a lot of breathiness in this version of the song. So it's like I'm sitting here listening and I'm like, I don't really care for it but I think the more I hear it up, it is I don't I won't say it's growing on me, but I don't hate it as much.

1:02:58 Maybe by a few more episodes out of listen to it. And then like, okay, I do like it. Okay, let's try singing it. Huh? Try singing it and then you'll see how you really feel the first time I heard it too. I was like, okay this is all right. Well, little different here. Then, when be honest ever watch the second episode and I start singing along, I can't even sing with her. Okay, I'm not feeling this. I'm like, what path are we taking? I was all off-key ahead with words but it was I'm like like that last season with the gallic version but I realized with the galley version it's because I'm not used to hearing Galaxy singing.

1:03:42 Hmm. And like after I heard it a couple of times, it sounded good to me because I know you can flow with it. You can go with it voice. I like the way he was singing it and also because you have to realize it is a cultural thing. When you listen to a lot of Celtic singing or the Galaxy senior, there are some there are some notes that sound and off to us or that sound off Pitch. But that's how they sing. And I was like, okay, I like this, I really like it and then I give this version and I'm like, I didn't care for it either. That's all this way for you to talk about.

1:04:22 I didn't care for it, the first time, okay? Was a little different. And then the second time when I was doing something in the, in the background, trying to seem to it, and I was totally, again, off-key ahead of the song, and I wasn't matching up. I'm like, I'm not feeling it because all the other songs I would least hum to sing to, and it just made some sense. And here I'm like, okay, this is a little different. So I'm going to do the skip intro, Every time I'm watching the show and, you know, it's so funny so it's okay. It's so funny because I posted in the in the Outlander group that we both belong to, we have a local group called The sassenach Sisterhood, and I posted in the group on the group page and I was like my own personal opinion. I hope for the final season, they go back to the original skybolt song because I love real Yarborough's voice and the way A shooting.

1:05:20 So everybody has been putting their different opinions and there are some people who agree with me and then there's some people who are like, I like it. You know, like I said, she sings it with such passion and blah blah blah blah blah. And one of the comments was you guys actually listen to the intro average. Yes, like I did. I mean every season every show. So, but this one, I may skip intro and I'm not feeling the passion. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to watch again and and and listen for the passion, I can hear it but like I said, it also comes through in that breathiness which is a, which is something I don't really like listening to singers singing that me. Either.

1:06:12 I don't know, Marilyn Monroe, singing, happy birthday to the president remedy, that kind of thing. I don't like it. So, so Well, I'll give it a shot. I'll keep listening and see if know, I'll do one more episode to listen for the passion. And then after that, I'm going to be like the other friends on the, the page I'm going to skip intro because most shows I do skip this one. I didn't, I just let it play, have it? Like, I'll make move around. Go get something real quick to drink or something, or just, but I'll listen to it. Yeah, no, I said listen to it. I was like, no. Every single time I've watched this episode, I've listened to it because I'm like, okay.

1:06:58 It doesn't sound as bad because when I first heard it, I hated it, I absolutely hated it. I did not like it at all. I was like, really, this is And I don't know because I like Sinead O'Connor's voice. So I do too. There was just something about it. I just did not like, but like I said, it's a different style of singing and I'll try to get used to it. But, you know, I'm all for the original, I like the original. I do, I do, I always like the original. So, yeah. So it actually, I have the original on one of my playlist. I actually have a playlist, that's all bear McCreary. Stuff.

1:07:40 And so I have a lot of The Outlander stuff and her voice is just one this. Like, I listen to the other versions of the song and I'm laying right next season. We'll have Mariah Carey. You know what? No, I'm just kidding. So, you kind of hell that and that would have been signing off. But I have a couple of things that I want to talk about this supposed to be coming up in the next, the next episode. So we're going to let that comment just slide. We're gonna let it slide because I am a Mariah Carey fan of her earlier stuff. Not her later stuff when she starts doing the breathy stuff, I'm like, no give me. Yeah, I am too. But anyway, I mean we can't have Whitney Houston and if we do I'm in a different type of world.

1:08:27 Yeah, the universe. So yeah, it'll be those two. Yeah, no. Oh no. You give me some Barbra Streisand. Give me Barbra Streisand, not for the Outlander things. I don't want that. That is not what I want. No, give me real, bro. Give me her back. I'll be good. Oh no, I'll take her to her. Now, that now I'm being serious now. That would be. That would be nice too. Oh yeah, I'm serious with her. I'm not serious with Mariah Carey. I was joking every yeah. All right, all right. Yes. Yeah she can do it. Okay anyway that's us.

1:09:08 That's enough of our fan casting for the final theme song. Next Episode. We're getting Lord. John Gray back! Yay! And we are meeting adult Willie. This is gonna be interesting, very interesting reread. Because that means that Briana is probably going to meet her brother for the first time, which I like it. I like it that he's older, because I believe in the books, Willie was still probably a young teenager. You know, Brianna Matt. I don't think he was quite this old. And I think you may hear he's what 1920, I think he said or I think he's 19. Okay, somewhere in that.

1:09:58 So yeah, but also Brianna has the baby. Yes. Mandy is going to be here and I know what happens. Oh okay I don't know if they're going to do it the way that it is in the books but I'm like, okay, that's the only spoiler I know of from over the years Years, when we have talked about Briana going back and forth. So that's the only thing I do know. Yeah. Okay Atkins. That's a possibility. I don't know. They will do it because I know it's a possibility, right?

1:10:39 Yeah. In the books, Mandy has she has a heart murmur and, you know, you know, of course, that's when they have the little hole in their heart and it usually closes up a hers doesn't, so she has to go back to get it fixed. Now, I don't know. If they're going to do it the way they were in the boots because in the books Mandy was a little bit older when okay back. I think she was like maybe three or four. Okay so we'll have some time but your debut it that way. Yeah. If they do it that way but if not then we're going to get them going back. A lot sooner which I'm not ready for welcome. Well, I guess everyone this will be a spoiler. So in the books if they do leave to they win When do they leave in the books?

1:11:28 You safely like what book that is? I want to say that is also Echo so you don't know if they come back I don't because I'm not no. Okay. See the, I don't know, I don't know. The only thing I know of is you told me a long time ago that she does go back but now, I don't know if she comes back. See, I don't know that. Wow, because they're because they're going to fit so much of the last few books into these Seasons. I don't want to go and read it. Yeah. So because you'll be like Me, you won't know what's going on. and what path and what path we're going to take who So we'll be on this journey together, right? Because I'm like, literally trying to figure out, honestly, I was trying to figure out.

1:12:21 How is this all going to end? I'm not even, I'm not even going to try to go there because it where we just end and there's some type of piece C or someone or Jamie passed away or clear passed away. I don't know. And, and I can tell you now, I don't need to see either one of them pass away that Is not need to be how the story ends for me. I don't need to know, like, it can be them, living to old age and then we get the explanation of how his ghost is seeing her. We can see that. I don't have to, I don't need to watch either one of them. No, I would truly want the notebook ending. They just die in each others.

1:13:03 Arms old age. You understand the saying or a bomb is about to go off and they say their goodbyes together and they embrace In a bomb goes off. I'm just saying, well, didn't no matter what, I can't see them separate it, it will be hard to watch her grieve him, or he greets her. I mean, I just couldn't see that. So I rather, they go together, right? And they are peaceful way. We you have to remember the read the whole reason why Breanna came back was because of the obituary saying that they died in a house fire, right? That has not nothing close to that has happened yet. So, That may still happen which again, horrible way to die.

1:13:46 It is, you see, I don't need to see it. So hopefully that that's not going to be what it is. But now so I'm again and notebook. Their old The Notebook their old at the end. Very old and they died together in each other's arms embracing. I'll take that. That would be perfect. Right? Because I don't know how this you know I'm saying how this is going to go? Well luckily we don't have to To worry about that for quite a while. Because like I said, There are 16 episodes in this season and we're just on the first one. So, we still have a ways to go, and then there are I believe seven episodes in the next season. So we still have 23 episodes, right?

1:14:27 But she currently come riding right, and she's currently riding the last book. So here's the thing. Apparently shooting kind of snuck in and 11th book as well that she might or might not be writing. So I was like oh okay I didn't read anything about that because it was all the page that has some spoilers and I don't do spoil. I don't even know what's happening. Like I haven't heard anything that has happened in the ninth book which is the book that came out this past December. I haven't heard anything. I don't want to know anything so I saw that article. Was like you do. I'm gonna put that away from later and I read it later. Yeah.

1:15:09 That we believe there may be an 11th book. So okay. So she's really into that book. And something is sparking her to be. Like now they have another story to tell you, unless it has to do with some. Like, I don't know if she's writing, separate stores for Brianna and Roger. Like I said, I don't know if they ever come back to this time. I don't know if Clear goes back to the future. I don't know what happens with those characters. So maybe this could be something that's kind of like a spin-off. Maybe, who knows? Or she like, Says she could have more story to tell because the way that she says she, right, she doesn't come up with an outline like she literally writes what her character's tell her to write. So it's really that Jamie, right? That's all I'm saying is they have more to say and there's some, and she has two different strings. And she's like, oh, this one now connect. So it needs more time to develop. So, yeah.

1:16:11 Okay, well, yeah, So, you have any final thoughts on this episode? Um no enjoyed the episode. The only thing I just found that was a little bit more difficult to get through. We want to difficult to get through, but I really didn't really care about Roger Brianna. In this episode, I wanted more of Claire Jamie and Christy honestly, okay. It was like, okay I guess we need to find out what's going on with them. But I'm like, um, okay we didn't I was okay, you'll see okay, I know setting things up but I'm like, all right, let's go back.

1:16:53 I need to go back right? Because this this have a bad not be on this ship and it goes away. I'm telling you, we're not doing another see of venture that's what was in my mind playing that. Okay. All right. Come on, let's go back. I need to see what's happening. Yeah, see Outlander has to see Adventures where as you know and everything else we watch, you know, Anthony and I are always talking about them walking through the forest forever. Outlander has the see adventures. And like I said, Claire needs to stay clear from a boat, she came, right. At this point, she can't go back to England. She can't go back to Scotland because that means. She would have to get on another boat. No, she can't do it. She just going to have to write that's in the America. Thank you. So because and that's what I was wanting to see. Yeah, so I was like, all right.

1:17:43 So that's what I would buy Focus. It was okay. All right. But we will see what happens in the next episode but for now, that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.haddadhyundai.com, we are on social media on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Phantom hybrid. You can chat with us or our Discord Channel. You can watch our videos on our YouTube channel and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening, we hope you join the conversation next time.