Outlander S7E10 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #323

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What's up hybrids Welcome back
to another episode of the

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phantom hybrid podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and we are so
season 7 episode 10 of Outlander

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brotherly love and they would
start us with the tears.

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Even though we knew this was
coming.

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We knew Big Ian was going to
die, yes and and I still cried

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which OK y'all want to start out
the episode by tearing our

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hearts out and whatever but I'm
so sad to see him go.

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Yeah, but it was beautiful.
They did it beautifully.

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Very, very beautiful.
You get the little flashback

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scene of the two of them
training with John Murray as

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kids.
And, you know, that whole theme

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of Ian always being on Jamie's
left, That is like a theme

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throughout the books.
Even in the short stories where

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you're talking about Jamie and
together, you know, there's

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always something mentioned about
Ian covering Jamie's left, you

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know, just always kind of being
there, guarding his, his chief's

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weaker side.
And so you see where the origin

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of that comes from.
And yeah, it's very short scene.

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And then, of course, you get Ian
and Jamie sitting on the same

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countryside and they're talking
about their bond.

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And Jamie is, you know, telling
him, you know, that day you came

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and told me that you would be my
brother after I lost my brother

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Willie.
I've loved you as you know, I've

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loved you as a brother ever
since then.

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And I was like, oh, here we go.
When he when they cut to that

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next shot of him putting in in
bed because Ian was about to

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die.
Oh.

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Oh, especially when he was
carrying.

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Just carry him and put him in
the bed.

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I know this is happening.
Why am I crying?

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Why?
It was a very beautiful scene.

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It was a very, it was very
loving way for him to go out.

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And of course he's as he dies,
he has Jamie on his right

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because he he's Jamie's left.
And then you have Jenny on the

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other side of him.
And I love it that with the last

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remaining strength he has, he
looks to Jamie.

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He says on your left.
And then he looks at Jenny, says

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her name.
And that's it.

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Yep.
I was just like, so beautiful,

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so sad, OK.
And then you get the cute

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little, well, I don't want to
say cute.

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And then you get the really nice
scene at the graveyard with

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Jamie.
He's digging Ian's grave.

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And Jenny has that little moment
where she was like, where is he

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now?
Where do you think he is?

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And she's on the bench and
Jamie's on the bench.

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And there's a little bit of
space in between them still to

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Jamie's left.
And he tells him he's just here

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as he's always been.
I was like, OK, so.

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So that's the last.
Y'all are going to tear out our

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episode, our hearts this episode
right?

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No, clearly not.
Clearly not.

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I didn't think so.
I knew that the information

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about Jamie's ship was going to
come within one of these two

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episodes, but it came really
quick.

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I think you mentioned this in
the first episode, and I think

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we talked about it kind of off
camera.

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They're moving very quickly.
They are.

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Like they did, they did so even
before we get to that part.

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Like, one of the things that
went extremely fast for me was

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Bug, Rachel and Ian.
Yeah, that did for me, 'cause

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like when we did the live, I
thought it would be something

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where she was kidnapped for a
second.

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They're looking for her.
They made it really quick.

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Yeah, like very quick.
And I'm like, we could have

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drove this out a lot because you
had me on pins and needles from

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the day.
The man said I'm gonna get you

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back.
OK.

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So I've been always concerned.
But you know what?

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You were the same 1.
You are the same person who was

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like, I'm so ready for this
Archbucks storyline to be over.

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I'm so ready for I am because I
was nervous.

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I was nervous of what was going
to happen.

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You understand what I'm saying?
So I I just expected to be a

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little bit more dramatic.
I'm glad it's over 'cause now I

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feel, I can feel that peace
where Ian is, OK 'cause I didn't

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know what was going to happen,
right?

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I mean, you did.
And I'm like, where's men gonna

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pop?
He's popping up.

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And, and he let, he let Ian know
he was like, Oh yeah, I've been

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following you since the Ridge.
And I'm like, wow.

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This that, that is determination
that is dedicated.

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For something that Ian just
ultimately did not kill Mrs. Bug

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on purpose.
It's like she, he was protecting

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his uncle.
Your wife decides to put your

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clothes on to go get the gold in
the dark and shoot at someone.

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They shoot at Jackie, and that
happens.

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Yeah, so.
So I was.

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And then, you know, him and him.
Oh, I love Rachel.

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I gotta go tell her.
And I'm thinking if they touch

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Rachel, I'm gonna hurt somebody.
But I did need her to be

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kidnapped for a little longer.
I mean, in my mind, I had it

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when I realized they were gonna
have William in it too.

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I'm like, well, maybe she'd be
kidnapped.

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And they, Ian and William get
together and they go searching

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for her or whatnot.
And then when they find her,

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they get into a battle with Bug.
But then at the end somebody

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kills Bug and then William steps
back and Rachel runs to Ian and

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the end.
You want to break William's

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heart even more than this
Already broke he.

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Already know He already know
Rachel wanna eat and she can't

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stop talking about him and
having the dog with her at all.

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Times But you know what, though,
I will say this and and I felt

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this in the books as well,
honestly.

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And I know, I know you have a
preference for Ian.

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I know you're like, Ian deserves
happiness and everything, and I

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agree with that wholeheartedly.
But I'm going to be honest,

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especially with the way that
these three actors portray these

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characters.
Like, you can tell that she

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cares about both of them very
deeply.

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I actually wouldn't have.
I wouldn't have been mad if she

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ended up with William because
one of the things about the show

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that I've noticed is that you
get to see more of her

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interactions with William than
you do with her and Ian.

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Like up to this point, even with
her and Ian being in the same

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camp when them already kind of
sort of declaring their love for

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each other before he went to
Scotland, that was still done

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with limited screen time between
those two characters as opposed

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to what we've seen with Rachel
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Like Rachel and William together
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Where, you know, William was
staying with them and then they

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went to the to the rat Stew
people and all of this other

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stuff.
But you but but then you then

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you see the connection that
Rachel Ian had where you didn't

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even need that time and they
were already drawn to each other

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and not really honestly, I would
have been OK with with Rachel

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and William being together.
I mean, ultimately, I ain't

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gonna lie and you can tell
probably of how I what books I

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read.
I'm OK with Ian, Rachel and

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William, but we already had that
story with between and so the

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case.
I was, I was about to say we're

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not, We're not about to do the
throuple thing again now.

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I mean, it probably would work.
With this, no, they didn't have

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to be a throuple though, but all
three of them to get I'm I'm I

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will be.
I would have been all right with

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I.
I ultimately would been have

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been fine.
Yeah, yeah.

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But Rachel have been, you know,
2 brother.

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Husbands, but yeah, so they were
drawn in a different way.

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William is like a good a good
friend.

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Like she spent that time.
She does care for William.

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I just kind of see William with
a different type of person

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though.
OK, OK, I got that.

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Yeah.
But I do, I do love the the vibe

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and the dynamic with him and
Rachel too.

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And it's like, I felt so bad for
him because you could tell he

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kind of wanted to tell Rachel
exactly how he felt, even

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though, of course, like you said
in this episode, all she's

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talking about Ian, Ian.
And so you you kind of feel bad

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for him because it's like, you
know how he feels about her, but

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he also knows how she feels
about Ian.

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But at the same time, it's just
kind of like William, pluck up

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the courage, baby, say
something, say something because

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you know what?
Closed mouth don't get fed.

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How is she supposed to like, I
think he probably would have had

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a chance if when he was walking
her to the stables and she was

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like, are you trying to say
something else?

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And he was like, no, it'll keep.
I was like, bro, you will never

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get that out your mouth now.
It will never come because

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there's going to be an
opportunity for it.

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Yeah.
And then the whole thing with

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the fight with Archbug and them.
I've only read those books, the

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later books, once, so I know the
details, but they're still a

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little fuzzy 'cause I haven't
had that chance to refresh.

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But if I remember correctly in
the books, that fight was a lot

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longer and it was a little it
was more violent because I

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think, OK, because if I'm not
mistaken, that fight in the

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books actually takes place at
Ferguson Marsalis print shop.

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So one, this also tells me that
Ferguson Marsley probably not

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going to be in this back half of
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So we probably won't see them
until season 8.

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Right in.
Yeah.

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So it takes place in the in the
print shop.

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And then William does come in
while Arch and Ian are fighting,

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but he actually gets into the
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So it's kind of like Arch Bug
and and I realized the actor who

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plays Arch probably was not
physically able to do these

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types of scenes.
But I think in the book it was a

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lot more violent because he was
fighting with both of them.

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And if I'm not mistaken, I think
William shot him and then I

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think Ian may have.
I'm trying to remember if Ian

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cut his head off or not.
I don't remember because I'm

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thinking that he did, but at the
same time my mind is singing

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Murtha with the Duke of
Sandringham, so I'm not sure if

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I'm getting my stories.
Yeah.

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But I do know that it was a lot
more bloody, it was a lot more

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violent.
When he took that axe to Ian's

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arm, I was ready to come
through.

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The TVI was like excuse me, how
dare you Sir?

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I was too.
So I.

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Mean I was too.
But I think the only thing about

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that scene that was kind of
bugging me, and I know it's her,

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I know it's her character, and
it's just about.

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The same thing I want to say.
Oh my God, stop telling him.

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Don't kill him, Ian.
Don't.

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Kill.
Right?

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Excuse me, girl.
Excuse me, honey.

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He was about to kill you and not
care and you trying to.

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Don't kill him.
I know.

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Don't kill him, but I he he
trying to kill you, so I'm gonna

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have to protect you.
It may involve killing him.

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He didn't really care.
He just shot him.

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He.
Was William was like, 'cause

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William didn't know what was
going on, he was just like,

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Rachel is here, Ian is there.
And granted, even though I think

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he kind of has some animosity
towards Ian because of Rachel,

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still that's somebody who has
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That's someone who has saved his
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That's someone who, you know, I
think he does still respect as a

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person.
I mean, he he came back to a

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rebel Fort to rescue his aunt,
knowing that there was a chance

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he could be caught, he could
have been killed.

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And I think William does respect
him for that.

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So he's just looking at like,
OK, this old man is sitting on

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top of being and he's got a axe
and he's about to, you know,

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he's about to kill him.
OK, shoot first ask questions.

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Because at that point everything
is going on so fast.

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It's kind of like, what am I
supposed to do?

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No, let me just go ahead and
kill this dude.

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Y'all go somewhere.
I'll figure this body out.

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I'll I'll take care of it.
And I was like, oh, OK, alright,

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William, nicely done.
But I think I saw a comment

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online and it was like, if
there's one thing Jamie and his

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folks going to do, is they going
to come in, they're going to

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quickly assess the situation,
They're going to handle

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business.
They were like, Yep, William is

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definitely Jamie.
But then you give the

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declaration finally afterwards
of them not dancing around

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words.
Well, I would say Ian wasn't

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dancing around words this time.
He actually tells Rachel he

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loves her, like says it in plain
English instead of Mohawk.

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And she she kind of
reciprocates, but she doesn't

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actually say the words I love
you.

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But what she says to him, it's
like, girl, you in love just

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just gone ahead and say it and
get it out the way.

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And I know that there's there's
going to be some, some I don't

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want to say issues, but they are
going to have some obstacles

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because of course she is a
Quaker.

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He is not.
And he told her as much in this

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episode.
He was like, look, I would turn

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Quaker for you if that meant we
could be together.

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But he was like, I know in my
heart I'm not.

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And I don't think you would want
me to say those words and be

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that thing if it's not for me.
And she said no, you'll have to.

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And if she's spoken his
language, I know who you are and

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what you would be to me.
But my I enjoy when she said you

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didn't tell me anything.
You told me the language I

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didn't understand.
So I don't know what you said to

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me.
Look, Ian's gonna have to learn,

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and I really want it plain and
clear, right?

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I need it plain and clear.
Exactly.

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And I think, I think it's
interesting because, you know,

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when it comes to his
relationship with Emily, because

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it was Mohawk and because of the
way that they do things, she was

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the one who was able to make the
choice and say I want you.

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And I think this is the first
time that he's actually had to

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like, make that decision, say,
hey, I want you.

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This is the first time that he's
actually had to be the pursuer

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of a relationship.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And, and we have to remember,

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Ian is still very young.
Ian didn't really have the he

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didn't have the same kind of
experience that most men of that

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age had.
He didn't, you know.

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Yeah, he's, he's, he's used to
women being more aggressive.

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Yes.
And also also dealing with women

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who are, let's say, for lack of
better words, morally loose

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because he dealt with, you know,
he dealt with the the waitress

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from the restaurant that Fergus
set him up with at first in the

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print shop.
And then he dealt with Galis

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Duncan Wish.
That was a whole harrowing

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experience.
And then since then, you know,

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you don't really see him have
that much experience.

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So I find it cute watching him
try to fumble through this

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because he was like, I did tell
you that I loved you.

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And she was like, you told me
that you didn't tell me.

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Need you to tell me I didn't.
Understand.

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I need you to tell me plain and
clear.

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But like I said, he left his dog
with you.

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What more do you need?
That is correct too, you know

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what I'm saying?
Even the even the Mr. Bull told

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her.
That is why I'm following you,

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honey.
Because he left his That man

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loves you, right?
He wouldn't even let me kill

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this dog.
So obviously, clearly he's not

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just.
Going to leave him some random

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person.
With just some random chick

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like, oh, watch my dog while I'm
going to Scotland for four

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months.
Because remember again, this

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journey takes months.
On on by sea.

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So yeah.
But I will say this, I'm I'm

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glad the bug saga is over.
I am too.

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That it rest I don't want.
I don't want to see no ghost of

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Mr. Bug coming back to haunt.
It's not going, it's not going

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to.
However, again that goes with

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that speed because that this was
2 minutes and we got all that

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taken care of.
So I just feel even we're not

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even done going over this
episode like we're just before

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in the past, you get maybe 2-3
things going on in the episode,

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some nice sceneries and moments
and just laying in the bed

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looking at each other and
declaring love.

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But now we got we had no time.
We have no time.

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We we have 1/2 this season left
and one more season and we're

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done.
So we don't have time to just

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lay around and, you know, look
out over the valley and the

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mountains, look at the sea and
smell the ocean.

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We have none of that.
Nope.

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Every scene is purpose.
There's a purpose, right?

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Yeah, right.
So let's see, since we're in

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Philadelphia, let's go to let's
go to the Claire stuff because

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the whole reason why they came
back, she and Ian and they're in

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Philadelphia is because of Lord
John Gray's nephew needing

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surgery.
And so with all of that, we get

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Denzel back into the scene
because in Claire's absence,

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Denzel was treating him.
And you know, you get the whole

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connection because when Lord
John Gray is telling Claire

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about the surgeries that Henry
has had, he was like, oh, yeah,

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Doctor Hunter did this, blah,
blah, blah.

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She was like Denzel.
He said, oh, yes, I forgot you

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knew each other.
Yes.

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William recommended him because
apparently they've been saving

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each other's lives back in and
he recommended him.

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And so you get you, you get all
these different connections.

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It's like people that you don't
generally see interacting in

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scenes together.
They're all starting to come

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into the story.
So I was like, yeah, this is

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where the story is about to
start getting good, because now

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you have all of these little
pieces.

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You have the Lord, you know,
Lord John and his nephew and

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Miss.
Miss Woodcock who?

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Is the wife of Walter from the
Ticonderoga episodes.

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Walter is the one who had to
have his leg amputated and

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Claire had to go back and he had
developed a blood clot in his

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lung and and didn't survive.
So this is his wife whose house

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they are in.
And it just again, it's like all

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these different little
coincidences and circumstances,

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they're all meeting up.
It's like the whole 6° of

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separation thing, you know?
And so I was like, OK, so this

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is where, you know, the story is
about to get explosive at some

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point because there's there's
just too much going on in

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Philadelphia.
And then of course, you got the

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other stuff happening with
Rodger and Buck, which we'll get

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into.
But yeah, Philadelphia is just

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kind of like, oh, OK, let's pick
this person that we know and

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pick this person from over here
and pick that person.

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And we're going to put them in
this big pot, and we're going to

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stir it up and see what happens.
Because even though Mercy

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Woodcock is devastated to find
out that her husband has died,

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once she actually, you know,
gets the nerve to ask Claire,

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like, hey, so I was told you
might know my husband.

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Do you possibly know what
happened to him?

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And Claire gives her the sad
news that Walter has passed.

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But at the same time, Mercy
Woodcock been over here becoming

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very friendly with Lord John
Great Gray's nephew, which is.

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Interesting.
That part, yeah, it's very

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interesting because One Mercy is
a free black woman in

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Philadelphia in the 1700s, late
1700s.

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That in of itself is very
interesting.

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But she's also a rebel or as she
says, I'm for independence.

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And Henry was brought to her as
a prisoner of war when the

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Continental Army held the city.
But at some point, the British

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turned around and they they
claimed the city.

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And so when the Continental Army
left, Henry remained in her

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care.
And apparently they have

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developed this very close
friendship, affection, you know,

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affection type thing going.
On that she that she didn't seem

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to to to I don't know what I'm
going to say when she was told

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her husband had passed.
I think she was, she was, she

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was very much upset because of
the fact that they had argued

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before he left which.
Right, I got that.

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Part so clear, but I'm just
saying she was kind of like she

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was what?
Torn 'cause maybe I fall in love

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with someone else.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which I was like that seems kind
of I don't want to say shady

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'cause I don't think it was
shady because I don't think

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well, first of all, this man is
a prisoner in your house.

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You're not expecting to fall for
him.

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No, but at the same they became
closer and it showed them

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squeezing hands.
I was like like, oh, oh,

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something's he's laying up in
his bed, so she must be reading

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to him.
And they just have gone.

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They've grown very close.
I mean, he can't do anything for

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herself.
So she's she's literally been

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doing everything for him.
So she's been feeding him,

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probably been bathing him, you
know, taking care of him when

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he's sick.
You know, he has the the

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scarring because he got shot
twice and so there were musket

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balls in the system which had to
be taken out and there's one

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that's still stuck, which is why
Claire has to be there.

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So, you know, Claire does the
surgery and you know it's so

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interesting 'cause you get to
see all these different little

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things about Claire also kind of
come into play when she comes

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into the house and she meets
with Lord John.

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She was like, OK, so I need to
get vitriol, you know, vitriol

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so I can make the ether.
And he was like, oh, you'll see

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that all the vitriol has been
purchased.

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And she was like, who would
want?

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He said, I remember sending it
to you a few years ago.

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I didn't know how much you would
need.

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So I just bought it all.
And I was just like, OK, Lord

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John, you're cool.
But she gets to show all of that

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to Mercy and Denzel.
And I love it because instead of

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them being like, oh, that's
weird, you're a witch.

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Denzel is like, Oh my God, we
can operate and he doesn't feel

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anything at all.
He was like a kid in candy.

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Yeah, like now I know what to
do.

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And Mercy was so calm.
She was holding the face mask

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over Henry and she was about her
purpose.

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When Claire was cutting him
open, she was sitting there

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looking.
I was like she would be a good

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apprentice because she paid
attention.

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And then what was it Denzel said
something about, I think Claire

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said something about him not
waking up.

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And she was like, not if I got
anything to do with I was like,

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oh, she said, hold up, y'all
ain't nothing gonna happen to my

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man while while we on this
table.

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I was like, OK, Mercy, all
right.

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But I love it, 'cause Claire's
able to be her.

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She's able to do what she what
she does.

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What she does?
She doesn't have to worry about

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anybody like calling her a witch
or she doesn't have to deal with

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all the superstitions and all of
the things that she dealt with

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on the Ridge.
That was very refreshing.

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And Lord John sitting over in
the corner, like, why were you

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in the room in the 1st place?
You know, they're about to cut

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your nephew open 'cause he looks
over and he's just like covering

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his mouth because he's trying
not to.

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Bro, get out the room.
Go sit out there with your son

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and Rachel.
Go.

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But you know, Claire saves his
life, which of course we knew he

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she would, and of course the way
that Laura John knew she would.

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And then we kind of see them
retreating into kind of everyday

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life with her still waiting on
Jamie to come.

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And, you know, she has this
thing where she goes out of town

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and she goes to a garden and,
you know, she's picking up her

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herbs and everything.
That's cool, but then later on

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in the episode we find out that
Mercy is actually a rebel spy.

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And she's.
Been passing.

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She's been passing and receiving
correspondence and, you know,

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kind of eavesdropping in the
market and going back and

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telling what she knows.
But she's been she's been made

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out.
So now she's like, I have this

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really, really important letter
for General Washington and I

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have no way to get it to him
because they know my face now

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and they're looking for me.
So Claire, Claire is like, give

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it to me, tell me where to go
take it and who to take it to,

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00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,320
and I'll do it.
I was like, Claire, you ain't

448
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,120
got time to be getting in
trouble.

449
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,400
I need you to sit your ass down
and just not do anything.

450
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,320
But no, of course, this is
Claire.

451
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,600
So she starts doing what she's
not supposed to do.

452
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,840
And as a result, later on in the
episode, after everything

453
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,480
happens with her finding out
about Jamie, and we'll get to

454
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,400
that next.
Richardson.

455
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,880
Captain Richardson, the one that
I told you was shady, I was

456
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,720
like, something is not right
about this dude.

457
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,120
So Captain Richardson shows up
at the house, and he's like,

458
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,080
yeah, so I heard Miss Fraser was
staying with you.

459
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,360
So I'm about to arrest her for
treason because she's been

460
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,000
passing notes for the rebels.
And yes, we have proof.

461
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,040
And he pulls out several
letters.

462
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,680
So I was like, OK, so here we go
again.

463
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,560
We got we got a few little short
time jumps because when we saw

464
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,320
her do the letter, it was only
one.

465
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,600
So apparently right.
So that's doing that, right.

466
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,640
So that's when it got confusing
because I was like, wait a

467
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,120
second, she just did.
One so how y'all know?

468
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,160
But we had a time jump.
And I don't know if it was a

469
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,360
few, well, I would assume it
would probably have been maybe

470
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:24,080
over the course of a few weeks.
Because if you think about the

471
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,440
fact that she went to the market
for her own purposes one day,

472
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,160
and then the next day she went
back to the market to drop the

473
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,360
letter off.
And even that, that general, not

474
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:39,040
general, that British soldier
was like, didn't we just see you

475
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,160
yesterday?
And she was like, yeah, I'm a

476
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,560
healer.
I got lots of patients in town.

477
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,680
He was like, so you can't find
any of your supplies in town.

478
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,240
I said, Oh, yeah, he's looking
for like, OK, this is outside of

479
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,200
your regular pattern.
So she ended up keeping that up.

480
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,440
Whoever's looking for Mercy
probably would have put two to

481
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,240
two and two together, like, oh,
we don't see her in the market

482
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,720
or out of town anymore, but we
are seeing this other person.

483
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Over and over again.
Who used to then come this this.

484
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Not, not this often.
And then if they start making

485
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,080
inquiries, like, OK, so who is
this woman?

486
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,160
If they find out?
Oh, yeah, she's Claire Fraser.

487
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,480
OK, there's only two, two
Frasers that are well known

488
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,840
within this, this war setting.
Simon Fraser.

489
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,080
And he's dead.
And his cousin who just so

490
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,000
happens to be a militia general
for the rebels.

491
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,880
So This is why sometimes Clinton
just sit, I ask down, just just

492
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,000
sit there at the fireplace and
do you need a point?

493
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,400
And just and and just do that.
Just do that.

494
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,440
No, she can't because you were
you were the one who put

495
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,440
yourself in into precarious
situations.

496
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,640
But OK, let's talk about these
precarious situations right

497
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,160
quick.
So of course that in this

498
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,520
episode that Jamie was supposed
to be on a ship called the

499
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,640
Uterpy, he has sent Claire a
letter and said, OK, I'm going

500
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,760
to be on the ship such a such
time.

501
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,320
And towards the end of the
episode we find out that the

502
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:25,440
ship has been lost to sea.
So of course, Claire, Lord John,

503
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,760
they think Jamie is dead.
First of all, why is it that,

504
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,760
OK, this is not a spoiler,
people, because we know that Sam

505
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,040
Hewan has been filming all the
way up through the series.

506
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,680
And so we know Jamie is not
dead, right?

507
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,960
That that's kind of like, common
knowledge.

508
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,720
Like, OK, yeah, I want to play
with our emotions.

509
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,440
That's fine.
Me and Michelle watched this

510
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,400
episode together while we both
sitting on the couch crying.

511
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,600
Like we think he did.
Too, I know.

512
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,840
We just looked at each.
Other like we know this

513
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040
motherfucker ain't dead, why are
we quirking?

514
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,920
And it's because.
Katrina Bao.

515
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:15,960
David Berry, they acted they ass
off in this scene because one,

516
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,480
anytime you see Dave, you see
Lord John Gray dealing with

517
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,000
anything emotional, having to
come to Jamie, you just want to

518
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,080
put your arms around him and
give him a hug because you can

519
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,400
feel like he's not one of these
characters that hides his

520
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,440
feelings.
He will cry at the drop of a

521
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,680
dime if it's something that's
close to his heart.

522
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,040
That's something we've always
seen of him in this series.

523
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,920
I just wanted to put my arms
around him.

524
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Be like, baby, he's not dead.
He's not dead.

525
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,440
Stop crying.
But the more he cries, I'm

526
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,800
crying.
And then you have Claire, who is

527
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,760
going through everything in her
head.

528
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,200
And I love what they did with
this episode because they

529
00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:01,680
interspersed, you know, scenes
from previous episodes into her

530
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920
trauma, into her grief.
You know, when the captain from

531
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,160
the ship that that saw the
Uterpy go down, when he and Lord

532
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,640
John are trying to tell her
about Jamie's, you know, being

533
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,880
lost to sea, You see her having
like flashbacks to the shipwreck

534
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,920
that ended up landing them in
the colonies in the 1st place.

535
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,520
And she's just sitting and
looking at them like, this is

536
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:27,480
not right.
This can't be.

537
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,760
She was like, we've already
survived the shipwreck.

538
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,040
So I know he's not dead because
he survived that.

539
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,920
And you could just see her
fighting with those emotions on

540
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,560
her face.
And even after Lord John tells

541
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,600
her he's dead, Claire and you
see her in the bed going, you

542
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,360
know, going through her, her
trauma, crying, remembering

543
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,200
different things I.
Love seeing.

544
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,520
Those past images, 'cause they
show stuff all the way back to

545
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,360
Season 1 to when they first met,
to when they were at Lallybrot.

546
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:05,240
And then he says that thing
where he says when it, when it

547
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,440
comes time, my time to die.
And if my last words are not I

548
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,400
love you, it's because you'll
know.

549
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,200
It's because I didn't have the
time.

550
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,680
And that's when she absolutely
lost it because she was like,

551
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,160
he's dead.
And I'm crying.

552
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,680
You're crying.
I'm like, yeah, I don't.

553
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,160
I don't.
Know what, what, what's my

554
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,280
problem 'cause I I did know
he's, he's not dead, but she had

555
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,320
been filled and I'm like, Oh my.
Lord I have watched that episode

556
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,160
4 times and I have cried every
single time.

557
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,040
I'm like and I know, no, he's
not dead.

558
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:49,120
And I cried more.
With this then and senior,

559
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,640
senior died.
I just thought it was just so.

560
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,240
Beautiful.
I didn't cry like that, but this

561
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,800
time I cried.
Like this because we were

562
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,000
expecting, we were expecting old
Ian dying.

563
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,720
So at that point, Jamie and
Jenny had both kind of made

564
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,239
their peace with this.
Yeah, everyone has very openly

565
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,520
emotional.
So it's like, even though you

566
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,560
saw you saw Jamie kind of tear
up when he sat down next to Ian,

567
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,800
it was still one of those things
where it's like, we've already

568
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,639
made our peace with and we're
not overly emotional.

569
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,000
It's just kind of like, OK, let
it be done so he can stop being

570
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,239
in pain.
But this thing with Jamie is so

571
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,120
out of the blue.
And then for it to happen after

572
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,600
so long, because I was, you
know, we were talking about the

573
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,239
time jumps.
I was actually listening to some

574
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,960
of the things they were saying
in the episode, trying to get a,

575
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,159
a sense of how much time has
passed.

576
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,120
So one of the things that Ian
had said was that.

577
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,800
OK, so let's see.
There was.

578
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,160
I'm trying to think.
Where?

579
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,320
Where did I start?
So Claire said that their

580
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,920
journey took four weeks because
they had a fair wind.

581
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,360
So that's four weeks for them
then?

582
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,800
Jamie.
Said when the letter came it had

583
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,160
been 10 days since Ian had
passed.

584
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,400
OK, so that's another ten days.
Then he also said in the letter

585
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,400
I'm sailing on the Uterpy which
leaves in two weeks time.

586
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,040
So you got to add another two
weeks.

587
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,800
So this is already like almost
two months worth of time.

588
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,440
And then depending on how long
it took Jane or how long the

589
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:41,680
uterpy was on the water, like we
said, I think in the last

590
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,240
episode, maybe a couple episodes
ago, it usually takes them about

591
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:52,080
I think 6 to 8 weeks to sail
from the States to Scotland.

592
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,800
And then Jamie was in France.
So that probably added maybe a

593
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,000
few more days to the journey.
Then you have all of this stuff

594
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,280
going on with Claire and
everything here.

595
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,560
It's been a minute.
It's been a minute.

596
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,960
It's it's been months at this
point since Claire left Scotland

597
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,400
and has been in the States.
So you have all this

598
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,000
anticipation over months.
You finally get Jamie's letter

599
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,440
and Ian realizes he was like,
oh, he would have been.

600
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,240
He would have sailed six weeks
ago, so he should be here any

601
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,160
day.
So you go from that.

602
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,120
Thinking oh I'm going to see my
husband any day now to hearing

603
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,640
that the ship has gone down.
And that he's gone.

604
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,720
And you see Claire's genuine
grief 'cause she's like, no,

605
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:45,000
this can't happen when?
She yelled at.

606
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,920
Lord John, she's never yelled
raised her voice at him at all.

607
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,160
Even in the the moments where
Lord John may have been

608
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,200
infuriating to her, like when
she was caring for him, when he

609
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,960
had the the metals, she's never
raised her voice.

610
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,360
So for her to be like you're
wrong, no, this can't be.

611
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,320
I would feel it if he died.
And then when Lord John tries to

612
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,920
come come for her, she starts
hitting him.

613
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,480
I was sitting there.
I was like, I can't do this.

614
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,760
I can't do this.
Why do y'all have me feeling

615
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,120
emotional?
I know he's not dead, but I feel

616
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,320
her grief because she doesn't
know and I feel his grief

617
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,080
because he doesn't know.
And it was just kind of like.

618
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:29,280
Yeah, I'm just trying to make
us.

619
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,920
Cry this episode, yeah.
And then I was also.

620
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,360
Thinking because we didn't see
his reaction.

621
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,120
I was kind of thinking what's
going to happen when Ian finds

622
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,040
out?
That's what I was thinking too.

623
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,800
I I.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking

624
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,360
too.
Like we didn't see that.

625
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,520
We didn't, No, we'd have been
puddles.

626
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,520
All over the couch.
See that at all?

627
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,240
We'd have been puddles all over
the couch.

628
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,320
That's like his.
Second Dad yes you so I was like

629
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,000
Oh my God time with Jamie that
he.

630
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,960
Spent with his real dad.
He has to be.

631
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,080
Completely honest with you.
He has.

632
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,840
So I was like, my God, I can't
see that I wouldn't be able to

633
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,920
handle that.
And they knew that we couldn't

634
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,320
handle anybody else.
Yeah, y'all.

635
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,560
Look, y'all had us deal with
Ian's death.

636
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,160
Y'all had us dealing with Rachel
almost being killed.

637
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:23,120
Now y'all got us dealing with
Jamie possibly being dead.

638
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,960
And then on top of all of that,
like I said, going back to

639
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,320
Claire's, you know, always find
herself in, in certain

640
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,320
situations because she don't
know how to sit down.

641
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,160
So after she's going through all
of this and after she's doing

642
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,040
her morning, like she literally
has not left her bedroom at the

643
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,280
Lord John's house when
Richardson comes in and says,

644
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,360
hey, we have the proof that
she's been a spy, so we're going

645
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,600
to have to arrest her.
He was coming to see what she

646
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,920
was to Lord John.
Like, do you have a personal

647
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,480
relationship with her?
He played that very well.

648
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,560
Yeah, well, he did.
He did.

649
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,640
He was like, she's.
The widow of a very good friend

650
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,280
of mine.
OK, well, since she's staying

651
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,000
here at your house, I'll give
you the courtesy because we

652
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,200
don't want to cause a whole
bunch of stuff.

653
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640
You got a day.
So basically you got a day to

654
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,600
figure this out, to get her out
of your house so that we're not

655
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,440
embarrassing you as a British
soldier.

656
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,440
Lord John was like, oh.
No, that's not what you're

657
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,000
telling me.
What you're telling me is I need

658
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,560
to go upstairs and tell this
woman we got to get married in

659
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,240
order for me to save her life.
And you know, I thought about

660
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:31,960
that.
I was like at at some point, for

661
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:38,080
once, I would like Claire to be
able to have a wedding.

662
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,120
That she.
Wants.

663
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,520
Because if you think.
About it, if she if she goes

664
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,840
through with this, she has.
Had a wedding she wanted?

665
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,120
No.
Even with no.

666
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,680
Not even with her first.
No, if you think about it, her

667
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,200
and Frank were on the way to go
have lunch with his mother.

668
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,600
He stops her in front of the
justice of peace.

669
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,400
And he was like, well, what do
you think, 'cause she was like,

670
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,120
what?
He said, Are you ready?

671
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,400
She was like, what?
Get married now.

672
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,760
He was like, yeah, why not?
And she said, we're supposed to

673
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,000
be having lunch with your
mother.

674
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,280
She can wait.
Frank, I haven't even met your

675
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,000
family again.
I haven't even met your family

676
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,120
yet.
So.

677
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,400
You're the only person I care
about.

678
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,000
So, like, even with that, she
didn't have much of A choice.

679
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,840
Like, Frank basically sprung it
on her.

680
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Like, yeah, let's get married.
OK, Let's get married now.

681
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,640
What?
Yes.

682
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,480
OK.
So.

683
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,520
So she's never.
She's never had a a wedding that

684
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,400
was hers because of because she
was in love and the

685
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,800
circumstances were right.
Someone else has always dictated

686
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,440
that for her.
She had, she had that with

687
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,800
Frank, even with Jamie.
And, and you know, that's one of

688
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,920
the things I think that bothers
me when they do reflect back on

689
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,320
Jamie and Claire's wedding
because yes, it was a beautiful

690
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,920
wedding, but Claire was there
not, not necessarily because she

691
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,880
wanted to be, you know, she was
trying again here.

692
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,800
Here it is.
She's trying to stay alive.

693
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,160
She's trying to stay out of the
hands of a British soldier.

694
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,360
But I mean, if you think about
it, Jamie was so sincere in that

695
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,440
wedding.
You know when he was saying the

696
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,920
vows and stuff, you could tell
he was in love with her.

697
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,680
Claire never looked at him once
during that whole ceremony.

698
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,520
So it's like when people talk
about, oh, they had the

699
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,560
beautiful wedding stuff.
She couldn't even look her.

700
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,320
She couldn't even look her groom
in the eye.

701
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,320
Not.
Until the.

702
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,040
Very end when he got ready to to
to kiss her.

703
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,360
And it could be.
For other reasons too.

704
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,880
I mean, I can tell you about
that.

705
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,200
That could because she was
feeling it and feeling how

706
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,440
sincere he was.
And she's still torn with Frank.

707
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:48,640
I want to go back to Laura John.
I like how he played that scene

708
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,320
because I was starting to get
mad at him, 'cause I was like,

709
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,000
you're closer to Claire than
what you're saying.

710
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,000
But then later I was
understanding he was like,

711
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,880
'cause I don't know how this
conversation is going.

712
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,440
So I'm going to pretend that I
kind of know her, that she's

713
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,600
kind of associate.
Cause at first I was like, no

714
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,880
Sir, yeah, she's more to.
You than.

715
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,840
That, but you have to remember.
They know that, Jamie.

716
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,600
That James Fraser was a rebel,
right?

717
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,680
And I know that he was just
trying to really kind of get

718
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,160
where this was going before he
said, oh, she's a spy.

719
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,880
And you're like, oh, OK.
He was like what you talking

720
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,680
about Willis yes, trying to
figure it out because and she's.

721
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,080
OK.
With being hung, she's like, OK,

722
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,040
I'm good.
I mean, I could die because.

723
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,200
Because at this point, she feels
like she she has nothing else.

724
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,120
And she does, but.
She just like, I don't really

725
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,200
care.
Yeah.

726
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Because at that point, I mean,
you know, going back and I hate

727
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,640
I'm even having to bring this
up.

728
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,840
Going back to your whole wish
for the ending and how their

729
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,000
story ends.
You said one can't live without

730
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,160
the other.
And that's really what she was

731
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,400
playing at in this scene.
Basically, she's like, my

732
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,520
husband is there.
Why?

733
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,160
Why do I care that they want to
hang me?

734
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:13,040
I don't care.
And it's like she's so she's so

735
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,440
stuck in her grief.
She's not thinking about the

736
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,280
fact that you still have a child
out there in the world and

737
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,520
grandchildren who Jamie told you
something happened to him to go

738
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,880
back to your time.
But I don't, I don't even think

739
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,400
that's on her mind now.
She all she's thinking about is

740
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,440
the the pain of Jamie being
gone.

741
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:35,960
She's like, yeah, OK, I don't
care.

742
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,320
They can hang me.
And Lord John was like, no, no,

743
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,120
no, no, no, sweetheart, let me
tell you.

744
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,680
Because if they hang you as a
traitor, then they're going to

745
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,080
come after Ian and Rachel and
Denzel and Mercy.

746
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,720
Because those that's that's not.
Just you.

747
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:51,360
They're all known.
Traitors.

748
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,640
They're all known rebels.
And that is?

749
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,760
The thing that makes clear, just
kind of reconsider because Lord

750
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,280
John was like, look, he was
like.

751
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,880
As my wife.
They can't.

752
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,560
Well, he said they they could
touch you, but they're not going

753
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,800
to touch you, right.
He does have at least that kind

754
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,000
of status and that kind of
respect in the British Army so

755
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,040
that they're not going to touch
her.

756
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,040
And she was like, but I know you
don't want to marry me.

757
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,560
No, I don't want to marry you.
But you think I'm going to rest

758
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,200
easy or something?
I mean, you can, you can kind of

759
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,200
think he was probably like,
look, the ghost of Jamie Fraser

760
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,040
is not about to haunt me to my
grave to be like, oh, you let

761
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,400
her die.
You just let her die.

762
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,320
Like, you didn't do nothing.
You didn't do nothing.

763
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,880
No, this is Jamie's wife.
And for all intents and

764
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:51,840
purposes, like for whatever he
feels for Jamie, I think by

765
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,800
extension he feels some of that
towards Claire.

766
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,080
Not necessarily that he's
attracted to her in that way,

767
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,160
but I do think that there is a
little bit of something there

768
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,680
for him in regards to Claire
because Claire is unlike any

769
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,200
other woman he's dealt with, you
know?

770
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,320
So even if he's not like
sexually attracted to her, I

771
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,880
think there is something about
her that he is attracted to

772
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:23,000
because she is the type of
person that speaks her mind and

773
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:29,400
all her mind.
She's very like, she knows that

774
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,640
he's in love with her husband.
She knows how he feels about

775
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,240
Jamie.
Yep.

776
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,360
But she's so.
Secure in her relationship with

777
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,960
Jamie that she doesn't let that
bother her like one, especially

778
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,680
once they got that initial
conversation out when it was

779
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,680
just the two of them.
I think there's a little bit of

780
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,800
a, a mutual respect there.
And she kind of understands kind

781
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,160
of the same way Jamie understood
about Tom Christie being in love

782
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,480
with her.
Like, yeah, I've been in love

783
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,760
with you.
That's why I know what that's

784
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,840
like.
Yeah, He's like, he understood

785
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,440
that.
And I think Claire understands

786
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,440
in the same way.
And then of course, there's also

787
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,120
all the other emotional
attachment with the fact that

788
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,800
Lord John is raising Jamie's
child and all this other stuff.

789
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,640
So.
There's a lot going.

790
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,760
On there so I I think.
He he probably.

791
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,840
Would have done that regardless,
Like, OK, if this is a way for

792
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,840
me to protect you, then I'll do
it.

793
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,640
It just so happens to be
escalated now because Richard

794
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,320
Richardson was basically like,
I'm coming to get her tomorrow.

795
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,560
Laura, John.
Is like we need to.

796
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,960
Get ready.
Today I need you to go.

797
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,200
Put your dress on.
We need to go.

798
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,560
And Claire's looking at him
like, I know you just didn't say

799
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,200
what I think you said.
Like, excuse me, Sir.

800
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,840
I just found out my husband
died.

801
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,440
Why are you talking about
marrying me?

802
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,760
And I know you don't want to
marry me.

803
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,840
He was like, yeah, So about
that.

804
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,320
Do you know you're about to be
hung?

805
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,960
Yeah.
As a traitor.

806
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,760
Knowing and knowing.
I'm sorry, I love her, but she

807
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,200
didn't leave that room, so you
know, it it you know she changed

808
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,680
no pajamas in a couple of days.
Her hair's matted in the back

809
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,240
and and this is.
Claire, we're talking about

810
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:10,120
Claire from the future.
So Claire is, you know, Claire

811
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,520
Baze everyday she makes sure
she's clean.

812
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,560
She's a physician, so she's
going to make sure Claire did

813
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,200
nothing.
Claire is like nothing to die.

814
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:23,240
Just let me die, die, right?
Or John is like hell to the no

815
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,440
and it's funky.
Up in his room.

816
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,680
Get a bath.
Get a get a bath.

817
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,760
Brush your teeth, brush your
hair.

818
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,600
Let's go.
Don't have?

819
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,920
To.
Yeah, because other than that,

820
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,960
like she doesn't have Jamie
around to protect her anymore in

821
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:45,080
that sense.
So I mean, somebody got to do it

822
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,480
because Claire, Claire has a
habit of getting into trouble

823
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,960
and getting into the that kind
of trouble to where like she

824
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,880
should, she should probably have
9 lives like Jamie.

825
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,840
Because as many times as like
how many times have you been

826
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,280
accused as a witch?
How many times have you been to

827
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,040
the state?
How many?

828
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,080
Just yeah.
Yeah.

829
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,360
She's invaded death probably as
as many times, if not more than

830
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,120
Jamie at this point.
And let's not, let's not.

831
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,920
Even add the trips to the stones
or the trips through the stones

832
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,000
to that because she could have
died on either one of those as

833
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,000
well.
So that the.

834
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,840
Episode ends with Lord Don
saying marry me and it's just

835
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,240
kind of like Claire's looking at
him like it's almost like.

836
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,600
Did you really just say?
That, but I also feel like at

837
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,680
the same time she.
Understands.

838
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,120
She's having a conversation with
him about why she should do it,

839
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,160
but it's also like she's not
comprehending anything.

840
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:48,240
Yeah, she really.
And she?

841
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,600
Gonna do it, but she's like, OK,
I'm just gonna do this.

842
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,520
Yeah, but I.
Feel like it's gonna be a repeat

843
00:48:54,520 --> 00:49:00,640
of her wedding to Jamie because
she's going to be again put in a

844
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:01,800
situation.
I think it's a little.

845
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Separate though, because I think
really with the one with Jamie,

846
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,640
she was feeling it and she
wasn't trying to feel it and she

847
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,960
was like, I'm married to Frank,
but I'm feeling this dude right

848
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,560
here.
You feeling me?

849
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,720
But Lord John, she like, oh
Lord, my husband, I just want to

850
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,080
die.
I don't want to marry.

851
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,160
I'm going to Oh no, I can't do
this right.

852
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,280
And then also.
Thinking back to that second

853
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,760
marriage or that that marriage
with Jamie not gonna make me

854
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:35,400
pull up that episode.
Going back to the episode where

855
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,680
she marries Jamie, like you
said, she's torn with that one

856
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,680
because she is starting.
She is starting to feel that

857
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:46,640
attraction for Jamie already at
this point, even if she hadn't

858
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,080
admitted it to herself with
Lower John.

859
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,920
Even if.
Jamie were dead for real.

860
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,360
I don't think she could ever.
Have that kind of connection

861
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,960
with Lower John because this is
a man who's also in love with

862
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:01,720
her husband.
So yeah, I don't.

863
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,360
Yeah, I don't.
Think she would she would ever

864
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,640
right, right and it's.
Not it's, it's not even about

865
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:12,360
the fact that he is a gay man
because, well, actually, I'm,

866
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,560
I'm going to change that, that
he is a bisexual man with a

867
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:19,520
preference of, of men, because
he has said before in the past

868
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,080
that he has had, you know.
Tryst with women.

869
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:29,680
He was married to Isabel and I
don't know just from the the

870
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,120
people that I know the gay like
the gay men that I know they

871
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,800
they will tell you in a
heartbeat.

872
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,240
And if if any gay brothers are
or gay people are listening to

873
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:42,800
this, drop me a comment.
Let us know if this is in case

874
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,600
the the fact.
But a gay man, if he has no

875
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,760
inclinations towards women
whatsoever, a woman is not going

876
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,720
to arouse him to nothing.
Nothing, that is.

877
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,840
That is what I have been told.
Bisexual man.

878
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,680
Yeah, a woman might arouse you,
but of course you're more

879
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,160
attracted to men.
But a gay man and.

880
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,040
Lord John has.
Already, you know, proven that

881
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,720
he he can do he can do women if
he needs to or if he's ever in

882
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:16,760
the mood so.
It ain't about that.

883
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:18,880
This is.
About the fact that.

884
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,560
This is about to be a very
awkward marriage.

885
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:27,360
If it is, what if it happens for
however long it is?

886
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:37,000
It's going to be very awkward.
It is very but I tell you.

887
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:40,560
Claire, Claire and Lord John,
they had me tearing that.

888
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,200
They were tearing my heart out.
But again.

889
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,760
Jamie is not dead.
We already know this.

890
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,800
We just, yeah, we know this.
So I don't.

891
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,200
Know how long this was?
So.

892
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,960
Hard though like he was, but I
know he's not.

893
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,520
We got a season and some
episodes.

894
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,640
But that's OK.
So now we just have to see how

895
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,840
long they're going to play this
storyline out.

896
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,960
Like, how long is Jamie going to
be gone?

897
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,760
Because he can't be.
It can't be long the way.

898
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,800
We're going.
It can't be the way.

899
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,960
We are going.
They can't be.

900
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,120
But, but time wise too, I want
to know exactly how long he was

901
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,160
gone, cause 'cause that's the
point.

902
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,120
It's been a few months.
Yeah.

903
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,400
So because I, I think I
remember.

904
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:31,680
So I got spoiled about this part
of the story before I ever read

905
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,040
the books.
You know her.

906
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,480
Yeah.
Jamie supposedly died and

907
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,720
Claire's supposed to marry Lord
John and then some stuff that

908
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:43,160
happens after it.
And I was like, wait, how long

909
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,480
were they married?
I'm thinking Jamie had been gone

910
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,360
for a long time.
I don't think he was gone for

911
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,080
that long.
May it may be a couple I think.

912
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,720
Maybe a few.
Months.

913
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,240
But I remember thinking that in
the book, like, Oh my God, how

914
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:01,280
long is this gonna take?
And then it actually it, the

915
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,640
whole thing kind of resolved
itself a little quickly, a

916
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,920
little more quickly than I
thought.

917
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,800
So maybe the next episode, maybe
the episode after that,

918
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,160
Possibly.
Possibly.

919
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It'll be before the.

920
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:19,840
End of the season, that's for
sure.

921
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,560
Well, absolutely.
Absolutely.

922
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,720
I don't know because we're not
even at the half halfway point

923
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:30,640
and I feel very certainly that
they'll they'll resolve it way

924
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,240
before then so.
Within the.

925
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:36,800
Next episode or two, because
come on now.

926
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,520
It's it's it's not Outlander
with without Jamie and Claire.

927
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,840
So yeah, they got to fix it
quick.

928
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,320
Yeah.
OK, so we're going to.

929
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,600
Do a pivot.
We're going to go to the 1700s.

930
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:03,440
So again.
Just to highlight, Roger needs

931
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:10,520
to learn how to fix his face.
His face, we will have tips on

932
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,560
how to fix your face.
I have to work on that.

933
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,240
But you know what, Roger?
I mean?

934
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,800
But I know he does cover.
He does cover, but it's the

935
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,120
beginning because the people
look at him like.

936
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,360
I we're wrong with you, why?
Are you saying that wrong with

937
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,600
you?
They don't.

938
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,160
Know how to interpret it.
One person interpreted it like

939
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:34,480
that, The father.
He was like, well, my daughter

940
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:41,280
already has a a a man.
This time, Gales was.

941
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,320
Like like do I know you like are
we familiar?

942
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,640
Cuz you looking at me like you
see me naked almost right.

943
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,160
But again, I'm going to say this
and.

944
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,520
It's something that Rodger also
says in the episode when he's

945
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,600
talking to Buck and telling Buck
about who gave us Duncan is, he

946
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,160
said.
For me, it's been 12 years, but

947
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,080
for her, I don't think it's been
that long.

948
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,760
I think she knows who Rodger is.
I think she, I think that's one

949
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,520
of the reasons why she's kind of
doing some of the things that

950
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,280
she's doing.
Like when he's in there looking,

951
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,760
looking through her stuff and he
finds the ill wish and she comes

952
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,680
in there, she starts flirting
with him.

953
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,200
I think on the one hand, she's
doing it because she's trying to

954
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:28,560
see how he's going to react
because she knows him.

955
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,080
She, she met him with Brianna.
So she knows that at least

956
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,720
there's a girl in the picture,
or at least there was a girl in

957
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,480
the picture when she met him.
She may not remember him

958
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,840
completely, but she knows that
there's something familiar about

959
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,240
yes, but the past that Roger
still needs to fix his.

960
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,120
Face.
Yeah, he just needs to fix his

961
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,480
face.
But I mean, how would you react

962
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,960
if you are in a situation where
one, you come face to face with

963
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,480
your 6 times great grandmother,
You had, you had that 10 seconds

964
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,280
to react inside and then you
need to fix the face, but then

965
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,120
you turn around, uh, uh, because
then after that.

966
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,720
The door walks.
Dougal motherfucking Mackenzie.

967
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,040
And when Roger?
Gets his name and realizes who

968
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:22,680
this is and you realize that
their son is sitting right there

969
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,600
between them.
They don't know that that's

970
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,600
their son and Buck does not know
that these are his parents.

971
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:34,160
And then not only that you are
actually witnessing the first

972
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,560
meeting of Dougal and Gaylis.
So it's like you and you could

973
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,720
sitting there looking at the
meaning of his parents, right?

974
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:47,280
And also the conception too
could be 'cause let me tell you,

975
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,760
do go there and waste no time.
They wasted none.

976
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,360
I mean, ma'am, you said you were
buried.

977
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:59,920
You just flirting with Roger
that's gonna show me your.

978
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,520
Wares.
But this is to the backroom and

979
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,400
close the doors.
I was like, ma'am, you have

980
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,600
other people in your house, you
just don't matter.

981
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,600
That man was coming with that
energy and she took that energy

982
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,720
and he liked her energy.
But you know what?

983
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:15,560
I ain't gonna.
Lie, I would have to say.

984
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,840
It I will take that I agree.
I agree.

985
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:19,560
That's what I'm saying.
He.

986
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,240
Came with that energy.
I'm with, I'm with it, I'm all

987
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,200
with it.
But she shouldn't have left her

988
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,200
guests out in it and his and his
partner that he came with.

989
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,160
So I guess we just wait around.
Did you see the look?

990
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,960
On that dude's face though,
because when Dugo turned around

991
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,880
and looked at him, he looked
like, oh, here we go again.

992
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,560
He walked out the door.
Let me go take a.

993
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,280
Walk right.
But that's not even the most

994
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,120
interesting part about what
happens in this scene, because

995
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Dougal comes to Galis's house
because of course Rodger and

996
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,680
Buck have been going across the
countryside asking about this

997
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,600
ferryman.
And Dougal has some information.

998
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:03,320
And he was like, yeah, so my man
won this off of a tinker and

999
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,160
some some place.
And he gives Rodger this string

1000
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:13,400
with two little charms on it and
it has the initials Ji think it

1001
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:18,080
was JA Wakefield or Ji can't
remember what the middle initial

1002
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,000
is.
But Roger has a.

1003
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,280
Very physical reaction to it, to
sing it, it's almost shocking.

1004
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,000
I mean, even Buck was like
cousin and Gayliss was like, oh,

1005
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,200
you say that's a charm.
Because you know she was going

1006
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,040
to.
Try to look at it.

1007
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,720
If she would have seen it, then
she would have known Roger was

1008
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,920
from the future one, but two,
she probably would have also

1009
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,280
figured a couple of things out.
But Roger's like, can I keep

1010
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,360
this?
And then what he tells Buck is

1011
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,960
he was like, these are military
tags from my time.

1012
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:57,200
Long to my.
Dad and Buck is like, wait,

1013
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,120
what?
Roger's like my dad was in the

1014
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,000
military, he was flying planes
for the war.

1015
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:06,440
He disappeared in the middle of
the war, no trace.

1016
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,720
They never found his body.
He was like these belong to my

1017
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,680
dad because they have RAF
stamped on the the things for

1018
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:21,760
Royal Air Force.
So now we have a whole other

1019
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:27,320
thing going on because.
Is this the reason?

1020
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,720
Why Rodger and Buck ended up in
the 1730s?

1021
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,360
Because his dad is there.
It could be because again.

1022
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:43,800
If both of them are thinking of
Jeremiah McKenzie, yeah, yeah,

1023
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:45,960
they very well could have
channeled.

1024
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,040
And you know, we talked about
that whole thing about the

1025
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,800
people being magnets or
whatever.

1026
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,160
They could have gone to the
wrong time accidentally, which

1027
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,560
means where the hell is where
the hell is Jim?

1028
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:04,120
But Buck also raised some
interesting questions when they

1029
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:07,120
were introduced to Galis, and
Rodger kind of told him about

1030
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,520
who Galis is.
Kind of going back to what you

1031
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,160
were saying about you never know
who you're going to meet when

1032
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,040
you're traveling through time.
And but that's the question.

1033
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,040
He was like, so does she know
Rob Cameron?

1034
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,680
Because Rob Cameron is from her
time, her original time, and

1035
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,880
they're from the same town.
So is it possible that they know

1036
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,760
each other?
And that's true.

1037
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,920
And even though that seems.
So far fetched because like

1038
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:36,240
Rodgers know, why would Rob
Cameron kidnap Jim 12 years

1039
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,600
after the time that Gaylis left
and bring him 40 years?

1040
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,960
You know, backwards 40.
Years from where they were

1041
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,480
supposed to go.
It doesn't make sense.

1042
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,360
It doesn't make sense.
But that possibility is out

1043
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,000
there now.
It's like, yeah, but see,

1044
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,160
here's.
Could be the possibility and I

1045
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,920
and this theory I absolutely
don't know friends at all what

1046
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:04,400
is going to happen but he could
have met gayness and learn some

1047
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,480
things and learned that people
do travel.

1048
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,000
And a little bit of him didn't.
Believe her, right?

1049
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,480
And then.
And then she disappeared.

1050
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,600
And then he read Rodgers things.
Yeah.

1051
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,720
And then he's like.
You know what?

1052
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,880
I've heard this story before.
Yeah, because you know.

1053
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,800
What if you think about it like
that?

1054
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,760
Could be the scenario.
That you just.

1055
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,200
Said not just of.
They were a couple and he's

1056
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,200
seeking revenge, but just they
could have been together as a

1057
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:42,040
couple and she had these
theories and stuff and he just

1058
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,200
didn't really quite believe her.
And then she goes missing and

1059
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,640
left him a note about it.
And then the next time he runs

1060
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,520
into a couple, he's not really
paying attention and he reads

1061
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,520
about it.
The same type of things that she

1062
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,120
could have wrote, or they could
have, maybe not.

1063
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,440
Even dating because she was
married, but as we can see from

1064
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,120
this episode, but they could
have been right or they could

1065
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:10,360
have been they grew up together.
You just don't know and that.

1066
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:14,200
Maybe that's what.
Pulled him back if if he and Jim

1067
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,520
are in the 1730s where Rodger
maybe it could have been, you

1068
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,200
know, that he was intending to
go after the French gold.

1069
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,480
But because Galas was there, if
he knew Galas, you know, based

1070
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,640
on was thinking about her and
her stories.

1071
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,120
That pulled in there too, put it
all together.

1072
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,000
So it's it's quite fascinating.
And it'll be cool if Rodgers

1073
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,040
does find his dad, talks to his
dad.

1074
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,840
And I don't know if he will
express that that it that your

1075
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,160
son.
I don't know, but I think that

1076
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:45,760
would.
Be cool.

1077
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,760
Yeah.
So I can't, I can't wait to see

1078
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,200
that if it happens, and I hope
it does.

1079
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,640
And then all the time you can
get closure on.

1080
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,840
We get closure on that because
there's a lot of these

1081
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,320
travelers, there's a lot of, oh,
my parents is missing or they

1082
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,440
were in an accident because like
even Claire, they were in a

1083
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,480
accident.
But were they in the accident?

1084
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,120
Yeah.
Or.

1085
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,680
Someone said they were in the
accident.

1086
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,920
Because we can't quite.
Yeah, because she doesn't.

1087
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,720
Remember, she was fired when it
happened, so they.

1088
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,200
Just said it was both acting
artists.

1089
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,880
Yeah.
So this will be this will be

1090
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,720
nice.
And to find out what happened

1091
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,200
and what he could have been
thinking of to bring him there.

1092
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,720
Yeah, but you?
Know that would that also

1093
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,560
brought me on a different
tangent because when you think

1094
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:40,240
about Claire's circumstances,
you know, her parents died when

1095
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,400
she was 5.
She was raised by her uncle

1096
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,160
Lamb.
Her uncle Lamb was an

1097
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,760
archaeologist.
So it's just kind of one of

1098
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,520
those things where, OK, so if
Claire's parents were travelers,

1099
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,720
let's say, because I think Uncle
Lamb was her dad's brother,

1100
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,320
let's say dad had the time
traveling gene and Uncle Lamb

1101
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,120
knew this.
Maybe he didn't believe that his

1102
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,840
brother and his wife disappeared
and that's one of the reasons

1103
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,200
why he was an archaeologist.
Maybe he was trying to find

1104
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,040
stuff because if you think about
it, taking clear on those digs

1105
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,440
and everything that, you know,
everywhere that he probably has

1106
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,360
been during her life when he was
raising her, You can't tell me

1107
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,920
they didn't come.
Him as an archaeologist.

1108
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,320
You can't tell me that he didn't
come across from standing stone

1109
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,280
somewhere.
So yeah.

1110
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,760
It's like one of those.
Things where it's like, oh,

1111
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,640
there's so many possibilities
about this, but again, we don't

1112
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:40,360
know because up until this point
we have not seen a trace of

1113
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,040
Jimmy in the past.
No one seen a man traveling with

1114
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:51,160
a child and for as as long a
distance as they've traveled and

1115
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,120
as many people as they've talked
to.

1116
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,520
Again, I think.
You said something in the last

1117
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,000
episode, you don't even think
Jim is in this time.

1118
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,040
I at this point I'm starting to
think it's not Jim at all.

1119
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,680
I think all of the other things
that's happening, like with

1120
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:12,400
Galas and with Dugan, whatever
is there, you know, Jerry

1121
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,080
McKenzie being there, I think
all of that is what pulled Roger

1122
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,520
and Buck there.
But yeah, we don't have any

1123
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,360
trace of jamming.
I'm unless you just.

1124
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,960
You know you're 1 of.
These people who just kidnapping

1125
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,760
kids and just burying them or
whatever.

1126
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,920
Like there's no trace of jam in
the Seven in 1739.

1127
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:38,680
None.
So yeah, I think there's

1128
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,840
something bigger going on for
Roger.

1129
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,320
Yeah.
So that means if they're not, if

1130
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:48,280
they're, if Jim is not in 1739,
either Rob Cameron was able to

1131
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,160
take him to the Stones and they
landed in the correct time and

1132
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:56,120
Rodgers just way off, or they
never left in the first place,

1133
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,520
right?
Or they did go through the

1134
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,240
stones and came back in the same
spot.

1135
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,720
Could, yeah.
Especially if Jim was well, if

1136
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,360
Jim was thinking of home right
and wanting.

1137
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,880
To be home, yeah, That's what I
was thinking of.

1138
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,040
That's a possibility.
Or they did go through when at a

1139
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,360
different time.
Jim knows how to travel through

1140
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,360
the stones.
Yeah.

1141
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,080
Yeah, he could.
He could have fought back and

1142
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,200
got through it and he would have
been thinking of home.

1143
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,600
Yeah.
And Rob?

1144
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,560
Cameron, look, Rob Cameron could
be stuck in in that limbo space,

1145
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,000
right?
That's yeah.

1146
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,680
That is true.
That is true.

1147
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,640
Could be.
But yeah, but so now we have all

1148
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,520
of the Mackenzie's in one room,
which that's going to get very

1149
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,240
interesting.
But then now we have the bigger

1150
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,080
question of where the fuck is
Jim?

1151
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,560
Where is Jim?
Where is Rob Cameron?

1152
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,040
Obviously, Gayla's going to get
something.

1153
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:57,680
On that next episode, because we
didn't, we got Rodger, but now

1154
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,800
we got to get like what's
Brianna doing?

1155
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,000
Then what's happening and where
is Jim?

1156
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,000
So hopefully we get that next
episode because.

1157
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:13,360
Even in this episode, Rodger
asked Gaylis about about Rob

1158
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:19,120
Cameron and granted she probably
even if she does know him, she

1159
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,200
it could have been somebody that
she like you said, he could have

1160
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,240
just heard the story from her.
He could have heard found out

1161
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,160
the information from her.
He may not.

1162
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,880
She may not know him, but he may
know her it.

1163
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,040
Could be there's.
So many different things, but at

1164
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,960
this point the one thing it is
clear to Roger is that Galis

1165
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,640
Duncan does not know Rob
Cameron, which means that she

1166
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,160
would have no idea of where
Jimmy is.

1167
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,240
So he's kind of back at square
one, but not quite back at

1168
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,440
square one.
Because now you got all this kin

1169
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:58,720
folk sitting in the room and I
don't know, I just, I don't know

1170
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,560
if I feel like Roger would ask
Galas or Dougal for help because

1171
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,600
I think that will be too weird
for him.

1172
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,920
Because at some point now you're
going to have to explain to Buck

1173
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,360
who these people are.
Yeah.

1174
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,920
You got to tell him now at.
This point, hey, So yeah, you

1175
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:20,680
know, the people who raised you,
well, they are related to you,

1176
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,479
just not in the way that you
think.

1177
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,520
These are the people who are at
Yeah, that's actually your.

1178
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,359
Parents and you just saw them
meet and hook up in the same in

1179
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:32,800
the same 10 minutes.
Like how many?

1180
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:38,120
People can actually say that
they are probably witnessing the

1181
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,279
start of their conception, that
is just.

1182
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,760
But no, technically speaking,
that wouldn't be the case

1183
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,439
because, because.
Galas wasn't.

1184
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,279
Pregnant with Buck until Claire
was there.

1185
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,840
So this is not necessarily his
confession, but it's the.

1186
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,399
Conception of a.
Relationship, right?

1187
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,800
So.
Yeah, right.

1188
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:06,920
Not too many people can say
that.

1189
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,720
And but you know, well,
truthfully, Buck won't be able

1190
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,479
to say it either, but he'll be
able to know it.

1191
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,640
Wow, I actually.
Saw my parents meet.

1192
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,279
OK, well, all right, let's see
where this goes.

1193
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:26,520
That was crazy.
Because, you know, I know that

1194
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:32,279
they had cast Galas and Dougal
for this the second-half of this

1195
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:36,520
season, But before I read the
books, I thought it was just

1196
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,080
flashbacks because, you know, we
do get flashbacks sometimes in

1197
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,240
in the show.
So that's what I'm thinking.

1198
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,319
But the fact that Rodgers
actually back in that time and

1199
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:48,160
then we're seeing all of this
unfold from like the very

1200
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,120
beginning, it's kind of like,
whoa.

1201
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,720
So.
What's going to happen later

1202
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,280
with all of this stuff?
Yeah, it it's going to be

1203
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:02,120
interesting to see how one how
Bucks how Buck reacts once he

1204
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:08,840
realizes who they are.
Because again, Buck is man who's

1205
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,240
also out of time.
Like this is not his time.

1206
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,240
This is 40 years before he
disappeared.

1207
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,000
So at this point, it's kind of
like, OK, is he going to try to

1208
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,040
sit there and look at this
relationship or how his parents,

1209
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,680
you know, just kind of look at
them from afar, be like, hey, I

1210
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,120
see y'all over there and I'm
just watching this, but I I

1211
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,520
don't know if that would be a
good idea.

1212
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,800
Because.
That might fuck some stuff up.

1213
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:44,880
So.
I don't know, but interesting.

1214
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,200
Interesting.
Yes, it is.

1215
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,960
Yes, it is.
Oh, OK, so let's see, do we have

1216
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,480
anything else to cover from this
episode?

1217
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,800
No, it was only.
It was four major things like

1218
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:03,200
again like I said only it's two
and a lot of scenery and we in

1219
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,160
bed little love making we look
at each other eyes talk about

1220
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,280
how we feel.
Now we have 4 major things

1221
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:21,440
happen, Ian passing little Ian
and Rachel and bug Roger and

1222
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:23,920
then Claire.
And Jamie, Claire and all the

1223
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,440
fillings.
And No 5.

1224
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,000
Claire and Jamie James dead.
Then it's now I got to get

1225
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,040
married.
I said.

1226
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,200
That's five.
Yeah.

1227
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,480
And then all the other stuff
with Henry and all that stuff

1228
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:37,960
with, you know, the the side
stuff.

1229
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,040
But yeah.
Oh yeah, I'm sorry.

1230
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,120
Lots of stuff.
Lots of stuff.

1231
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,440
So yeah.
But you know what?

1232
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,160
I like the pacing.
I do too.

1233
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,320
'Cause I like to wait right?
Because.

1234
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:57,040
At this point, I'm just like,
OK, by the time we get to the

1235
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:58,720
end of the episode, I'm like,
wait, that's it.

1236
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,600
That's.
That's it.

1237
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,080
Because it's it's been.
Going so fast right now?

1238
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,160
Here's.
Here's the other thing I will

1239
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:13,680
say, I don't know how much I
like Roger's voice overs yet.

1240
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,880
Like on the one hand, I
understand because he has to

1241
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,680
have some internal dialogue
because all of this shit that

1242
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,720
that's going on now, it's like
these are people that in some

1243
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,760
instances, like Dougal's, he's
only ever heard of.

1244
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,200
I mean, he's met Dougal, he's
met Jamie's dad, he's met Jenny,

1245
01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:35,360
he's met Ian's dad.
So these are all people that

1246
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:40,520
he's only heard of because even
when he went back in time, he

1247
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,520
didn't meet any of these people
like Brianna did.

1248
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,120
Like Brianna met Ian in the
books.

1249
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,520
She also, I, I think she met
Jenny, but not in the show.

1250
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,400
But it's kind of like Rodger
bypassed that whole family, so

1251
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,840
now you are, and they're all
here.

1252
01:12:56,240 --> 01:13:00,480
So I understand the voice.
I do because it's different from

1253
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:03,280
even when Claire went over
because most of Claire dialogue

1254
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:08,720
inside would be where am I,
where am I, where am I?

1255
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,480
But this one is good because
it's like he knows where he is.

1256
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:15,040
It's just you're encountering
people you know of.

1257
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,600
And it's just kind of like, oh.
Shit, what do I do?

1258
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,080
Oh my gosh.
But it's so funny.

1259
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,240
Because.
He's he's hitting everybody.

1260
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,000
You're right.
This is like a family reunion on

1261
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:33,080
both sides here and his inner.
Dialogue is so funny because as

1262
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,920
we're watching the show, we're
literally saying the things

1263
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,720
that's coming into his head.
So that's funny.

1264
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,840
But at the same time I'm kind of
like, I don't know if I want it

1265
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,440
to be a thing.
Because.

1266
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,600
But I guess in a way, it kind of
it kind of helps inform the

1267
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,960
same.
Because one thing I will say, I

1268
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:58,200
feel like Rodger is a lot
funnier right now because of the

1269
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,480
fact that he's encountering
stuff that he should not be

1270
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:02,680
encountering and we're getting
his reaction.

1271
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,480
He's a lot.
He seems a lot more, I don't

1272
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:07,920
want to say a lot more
interesting because I I do

1273
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,000
genuinely like Rodger as a
character.

1274
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:15,440
But it's interesting because
most of the time when when we

1275
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:18,880
see Rodger, it's always in
conjunction with Brianna.

1276
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,880
Lately, like them two as a pair,
you don't really get to see how

1277
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,800
he is as an individual and how
she is as an individual.

1278
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,360
So I think that's going to be
the interesting thing about

1279
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,480
these few episodes that's coming
up, because we'll get to see who

1280
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:37,080
they are without each other,
which.

1281
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:40,600
We don't get to see very.
Often and Roger is actually a

1282
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,720
pretty funny guy, but it's kind
of like just.

1283
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,680
Watching him.
React to all of this in this

1284
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,640
particular episode, him
realizing that this is his

1285
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:57,440
father that he lost when he was
so young the the sheer emotion

1286
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:03,200
on his face the joy on his face
but also the what the fuck how

1287
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,400
you know and then to also have
that mystery yeah to also have

1288
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,760
that mystery solved about what
what actually happened to my dad

1289
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:18,560
so yeah I I I guess I'll I'll
see how I feel about the voice

1290
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,360
overs in a couple of episodes
I'm not saying I don't like them

1291
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,560
but I.
Don't want it to get.

1292
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,840
To a point where it's just kind
of like, OK, y'all can be done

1293
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,600
with the voice overs.
You know, kind of like.

1294
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,440
Clearing that evil storyline or
clearing the brown I'm.

1295
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,640
OK.
I'm OK with the voice overs, but

1296
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,640
it can lower a little bit along
with the facial expressions.

1297
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,320
I don't think those facial.
Expressions are going to change

1298
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,280
because I'm.
I think they're doing that on

1299
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:51,680
purpose.
I think he, but he's.

1300
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,160
Good now, because he knows he's
about to meet his father so he

1301
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,040
won't look crazy.
You see what I'm saying?

1302
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,840
He should.
He should run into no one else.

1303
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:03,480
So we should be OK.
We should be, Yeah.

1304
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,960
Yeah, 'cause Jamie's in France
at this point, so he has no, he

1305
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:13,360
has no reason to meet him.
And then even if he did, no.

1306
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:17,480
'Cause I was going to say.
If he were to meet Jamie in this

1307
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:21,640
time, does that mean that Jamie
should have recognized him when

1308
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,840
he appeared on the Ridge?
But no, that that's that whole

1309
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,080
what came first, the chicken or
the egg type type of thing and

1310
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,880
multiverse stuff.
And we don't do multiverse stuff

1311
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,760
here, OK, no, So we won't even
go there 'cause that would, but

1312
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,120
that would be kind of
interesting.

1313
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,200
But OK, no.
So.

1314
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,080
Do you have anything else to
say?

1315
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,640
About this episode.
Nope, I'm.

1316
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,720
Just I'm just ready to.
Get to the next episode 'cause I

1317
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,920
need to see, I need to see what
they are pulling from these

1318
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:50,480
books.
I need to see the wedding but.

1319
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:53,200
I'm about to watch the the the
1st wedding.

1320
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:54,960
What episode was that?
Oh.

1321
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,000
Yes.
You talking about the Jamie and

1322
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,120
Claire's wedding?
Yes.

1323
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,320
Now do you make me need to to
need to watch that again?

1324
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:04,440
Just go to.
Just go to.

1325
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:07,560
YouTube and and YouTube it, that
way you won't get sucked into

1326
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,640
the whole episode.
No, I'm gonna watch.

1327
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,520
The whole episode oh you so you
gonna watch the.

1328
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,480
Honeymoon the first night too.
I'm gonna watch the whole

1329
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:20,840
episode.
It's on Netflix.

1330
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,200
I'm gonna go.
Whole episode.

1331
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:28,840
OK, well I'm gonna go and watch
the new episode so I can see

1332
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,440
what's going on.
You want me to wait for you?

1333
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:34,280
No.
No.

1334
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,440
Because just in case they talk
about it tomorrow, OK.

1335
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:39,720
You know what I mean?
Yeah.

1336
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,360
That's what I thought about when
you said that.

1337
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,840
I was like, Oh no, you need to
watch that episode to be ready.

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So you go watch the wedding and
I'm going to watch the new

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episode and that is it for our
show.

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You can find us online at
www.phantomhybrid.com.

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We are on social media, on all
the social media at Phantom

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Hybrid.
You can chat with us on our

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Discord channel.
You can watch our videos on our

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YouTube channel, and you can
listen to us on all major

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podcast streaming platforms.
Thanks for listening.

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We hope you join the
conversation next time.

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Music.