Outlander S7E11 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #324

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and we are
discussing Season 7 episode

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11101111 episode 11 of
Outlander.

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And I'm going to say it just
like I said it in the last

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episode, I would really like for
Claire to be able to have a

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wedding that she is happy to be
at.

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Granted, we didn't see her
wedding to Frank, but still, the

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fact that he just kind of.
Sprung it on her.

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We sort of sort of her went into
Frank, sort of.

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We saw them slide on into the
courthouse.

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Yeah, but that's not sort of
that.

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That's not the same.
So Hanukkah was creating a

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GoFundMe for players.
Like Claire and Jamie need to

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have a renewal of vows where
they can sit there and they can

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say their vows and she's
actually looking at him like, oh

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God, surprise.
That they haven't done that.

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But wait a second, what would?
They have time between when.

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Married.
He got married after she left.

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He got married, yes, and we we
don't even know what that

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wedding was like, but it.
Was but what I'm saying is and

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then so when she came back, they
let it later.

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Have a wedding but they have
time between Claire.

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And they were building, they had
time when they were building the

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cab.
I mean the cabin house, whatever

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the big house do.
You remember all that other

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stuff that was going on?
They didn't have time between

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all.
The other day, it is not like

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you need hope.
They could have went to the top

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of that mountain and declared
their love together and

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exchanged by.
They don't take.

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They had too much going on, OK?
They were just.

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I'm just.
Surprised, because officially I

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I'm confused and we really look
back legally.

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Are they really married anyway?
Well, Claire.

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And Jamie are legally married
but I think because of the fact

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that she came back and it was
proven that she was still alive,

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his marriage to Leary was
invalidated now.

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But no, her her her marriage to
Jamie is invalid because she was

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married to.
Frank.

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That, that, that's 200 years
apart.

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That's not she got married in
the church.

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They got married legally in a
courthouse, so really?

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But technically speaking, her
marriage to Jamie is first

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because Frank hadn't been born.
Yeah.

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But that's not even right.
So when she did get married for

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the first time, it was invalid
and illegal.

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OK, so they just need to, they
just need to redo because Frank

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is dead.
I just need Claire to have a

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wedding where she could say her
vows to her groom.

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It actually mean it and not be
depressed and not be grieving

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and not be half there because
you went back.

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You went back to look at the
wedding episode, right?

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And she did not look at Jamie
now and tell why she was saying

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those.
But the.

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Only time she woke up is when
they cut her off and she was

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like what what's happening?
Right.

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Like, huh, What's going on?
Yes.

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So I need Claire to have a
proper wedding, OK?

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Like everyone go sign on to the
Go fund, yeah.

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I mean with with, you know,
friends of the bride on one side

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and friends of the groom on the
other side and I need her to.

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All I know is this wedding
needed to be short.

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They keep adding words.
Yeah, I just needed her to say I

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do nothing else.
Well, you know, they got to get,

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they got to give it some kind of
pretense, like it's a real like

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Lord Josh said.
I just need you to have her

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repeat.
I do.

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She cannot do anything else.
But that's the that's also the

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reason why Misses Fig and
William were there as witnesses,

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because anybody else they would
have been like, excuse me, does

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she even really want to be here?
At least with William and Misses

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Fig, they understand what the
situation is because I'm pretty

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sure with Miss Misses Fig being
the main servant, the main, you

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know, the person who runs the
house there.

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I'm sure she's aware of the
conversations that go on.

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So she probably knows why Lord
John married her.

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William, I think was he, he was
justified in going to his dad

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and saying, hey, Are you sure?
Like, why did you do this?

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Because she's a rebel and I
understand her husband was your

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friend, but still, like you are
putting your name as a top

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British soldier, as a loyal
British subject, you are

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putting, you know that you're
going to, you're going to put

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that on shaky ground because
you're marrying a rebel.

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And well, you should have
stopped asking your dad because

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he's been crying for days, so
clearly this man meant a lot to

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him.
Yeah, but you know, back then

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again, most men don't don't give
in to their feelings like that

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and they don't talk about.
It because even when I talk

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about that's why I see it.
You should get a clue that

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clearly I got something deep
going on.

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I mean I'm not saying deep like
that, but like he like a brother

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because you moping like she
moping.

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I mean, I teach y'all to get out
of date.

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But it's kind of I understand
the kind of position.

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Because he did the right thing
making sure any good friend or

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son would be like an easier or
you want to.

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Yeah.
But like Laura, John is already

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in a precarious position.
One, because William is Jamie's

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son.
He's trying his best to keep

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that secret.
But also he has to think about

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how it looks to other people.
Like you are friends with the

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Rebel.
And if you remember, and I think

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that was Season 6 when they when
they met, right before Brianna

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and Rodger went back through the
stones, they had that

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conversation and Jamie was like,
it's probably a good idea for us

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to cease our friendship because
we're on opposite sides of this

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thing.
So.

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I don't even think it mattered.
I think he just, he loved Jamie

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so much.
She just want to take care of

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the things that Jamie loved and
he's been doing it since the

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beginning, so he's going to
continue on.

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And I love how they they show
Claire like she's in the miss of

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the ceremony.
She's having a hard time

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struggling with that last little
line until, you know, what was

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it to love and to honor until
death do us part.

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She was having a hard time
getting through that line.

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And, you know, Lord John just
kind of takes her hand to

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reassure her, like, OK,
everything is OK.

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And when she looks up and she
looks at William, her whole face

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changes because you're like,
this is my husband's son there.

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There is another piece of him in
the world.

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And then you also get to think
about it like, I actually kind

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of sort of get to be a mother to
his son now.

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And now and I see him walking
around and it will give me my

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lovely memories.
But I'm going to tell you right

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now, OK, I got another thing at
the end of this series.

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I will.
All three rings to be on on both

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her hands because friends, I I
didn't realize she was still

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wearing Frank's ring.
Yes.

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So now I'm like, well, you
better have Williams ring on.

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You mean on the Lord John?
On a a pinky finger.

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Yeah, but you OK, So if you'll
remember the episode in Season 6

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when Jacosta was getting
married, you remember that that

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Stevie Phillip Wiley, who who
was trying to accost Claire in

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the stable and remember, Jamie
took both of the rings to go bet

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against him.
And him And Claire had a big

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conversation about that because
she was like, whether you going

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to take Frank's ring?
Because Phillip Wiley was

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looking at it.
You know, he had made a comment

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about, wait, so you're here with
your husband, but you still wear

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the ring of your dead husband.
Oh, that you must be a a rare

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breed of woman, some kind of
loyal woman.

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And he was really looking at
Frank's ring because of course,

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Frank's ring is gold.
So Jamie was trying to get the

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ring from her to go, you know,
to go bet.

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And she was pissed off.
She was like, well, if you don't

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take this one, you might as well
take this one too.

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And then he wanted.
People, we should not be mad at

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Frank.
She still wears.

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You know what?
We're not having this

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conversation.
I'm just saying we're not having

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this conversation right now.
We're talking about a whole

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different husband now.
We.

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Don't understand 'cause then you
know Frank, but you know she

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still wears his ring.
We will talk.

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And she totally understood why
he had an affair.

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We was her heart wasn't easy.
Yes, that's true.

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But we will.
He was a great.

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Fan, you know what we're going
to.

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Talk about Frank another time,
so I understand.

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So now I want her to have all
three.

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All three rings are.
Yeah, because the one thing

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about their their marriage,
Claire and Lord John and, you

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know, again, we're going through
the episode, it's like weeks

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because you hear that in just
the different language.

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When they go to visit Henry.
He mentions that it's been weeks

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since the surgery and, you know,
so we're getting little bits of,

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you know, indicators of time.
But I just think it's so

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interesting that they are both
grieving this man.

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And even though Claire says in
their moment of of grief, when

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he's comforting her in the in
the room, you know, she was

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like, he's not yours, he's not
yours mourn.

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But at the same time, I think
she also understands the depth

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of the feelings that Lord John
has. 4th Jamie and it's kind of

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weird but but they can kind of
comfort each other in a way.

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But I love the fact that even
though this is not a marriage of

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love, it's more so a marriage of
convenience.

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He's still, he still treats
Claire with that kind of

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respect.
And, you know, he does little

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things like, OK, I know, you
know, I I didn't tell you we

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were going to host this dinner,
but I had this dress made for

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you.
And when he told her opening, he

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was like opening.
It was almost like a, you know,

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giving a present.
He is.

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He is just so.
Yeah.

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Yeah, are you saying liking
Claire with a double entendre?

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No, I, we clearly, we clearly he
clearly put out forth it.

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No, he don't like Claire that
way.

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Yeah, it's been 15 years maybe
plus.

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Since he had been with a woman,
right?

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Yeah, and.
He was being with her just to be

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close to James so.
Yeah.

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And I don't think, I don't think
that was something that they did

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on purpose.
It was he came in like, I'm not

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going to.
I'm sitting there screaming and

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he over there drinking and was
like.

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And she's drinking too.
Right after she tried to kill

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herself, I was like, but I was
looking at Claire like, we are

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not about to have a Romeo and
Juliet moment.

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Because the moment she would
have killed herself, Jamie would

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have walked through the door and
been like what the fuck?

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And then he definitely would
have killed Lord John, right?

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You couldn't.
You couldn't keep her.

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Or, or, or even on the opposite
end of that, he would have

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understood because of Lord John
was giving her her space.

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You know, he probably wasn't
thinking that she would do

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something like that.
You know, she's a strong person.

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She is.
You would, you know.

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So.
And I like I, I was thinking, I

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like when Ian was talking to
her, like, OK, I'm going to say

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goodbye to you because I figured
you going to go home.

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And I was thinking the same
thing I told you off, you know,

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on the air that, oh, she will go
home and be with her grandkids.

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And like how she said, like, the
future is not it's not my time.

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This is my time, right?
Yeah.

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I'm like, OK, honey, she's not
going nowhere.

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Yeah, because she wasn't.
So that's why they need to die

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together.
You know what?

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Because even in the future when
she was living, as she said, she

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was living a half life, she was
there with a husband that she

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cared for and she did love, but
she didn't love him in the way

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that she loved Jamie.
And, you know, she was just kind

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of, I guess in, in a sense
counting time.

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Yeah, she would have been in
that room.

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Just I don't know.
Here.

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Be down to her knees, matted
like they just pass on her food,

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barely making.
It like Missus Havisham in a

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great expectation.
Yeah, that would have been

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Claire.
That would have been her.

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But that is not the case when
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crisis, when she gets ready to
cut her arm open with one of her

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surgical tools, she starts
having the you know, she starts

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hearing Jamie's voice replaying
her head, saying, you know all

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the different things about
Claire.

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I can't, I can't imagine you
dead that that would be more

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than I can handle.
And you know, nothing.

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What does he say?
Nothing dies.

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It's only changed.
Nothing ever dies.

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It's only changed.
And he's talking about, do you

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see how small such a thing is as
death is between US?

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And she's hearing all this stuff
and she's like, frustrated

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'cause she doesn't want to live
without him.

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But at the same time, I think
she understood that for her, I

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think for her to kill herself
even because she's grieving Kim,

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I think that would have been
dishonorable to his memory, you

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know, and everything that they
share.

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Because like you said, yes, he
is gone.

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You still have a daughter out
there in the world.

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You still have grandchildren out
there in the world.

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You still have this extended
family that would be affected by

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your death, not only by your
death, but by your death on top.

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Of his death, yeah, but she.
I know, I know, think.

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About that because first of all,
she already know to her daughter

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she's dead.
Yeah, anyway.

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Yeah.
But so OK.

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Yeah, but she's in that room.
She's screaming.

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Lord John is downstairs with his
alcohol and his chess board,

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looking at the empty chair.
And he stumbles upstairs and he

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tells her, he says, I will not
mourn him alone tonight.

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And you see kind of like these
in and out images of him

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comforting her, of her beating
and screaming at him.

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Like I said, she told him, she
said he is not yours, he's not

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yours.
The morn.

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And you just see them kind of
comforting them, each other.

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And then it gets to a point
where you see them kind of

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clawing at each other, taking
each other's clothes off.

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Then the screen goes black and
then it comes back and Claire's

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in the bed waking up and she's
in the bed with Lord John now.

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I.
Prefer that I will say this.

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I love the way that they did
that because as much as I love

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Lord John's character and even
with Claire, I don't I don't

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have an objection to that union.
If I, if I had known, not known

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that Jamie was alive, you know
what I'm saying?

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Because I think that they would
be a good comfort to each other.

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And then I think.
With Claire, if he was truly

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dead, right, If we knew he was
really, really, really right,

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yeah, I would be.
That would be like the perfect

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thing because that gives you the
freedom to kind of do the things

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that you need to do.
It's another like you can be the

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doctor you want to be.
You can be a spy.

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Like you can be in the rooms
where other people can be in the

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rooms.
So it will been a perfect union

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and then you will be able to be
around his son, you know, see

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his son get married and have
kids.

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So it would it would have been
the greatest thing.

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But also that is a friendship
that they both need, I think.

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Yeah, they do.
Because even even with the bed

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talk, the pillow talk that she
and Lord John were having, and

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she was like, have you never
talked about things with your

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lover in bed?
And he was like, no, like, and

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and she was just looking at him
like, that's so sad because

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again, the whole idea of
marriage back then, like Laura

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Johns says, he said, I know many
conventional marriages where the

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spouses don't know anything
about each other.

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They don't really, you know,
it's kind.

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And I just, I couldn't imagine
it being in that kind of

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marriage.
Right.

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And see, what helped Claire in
marriage with Jamie was because

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of the time she's from, even
though it's different.

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Yes, she talked with Frank.
So then with Jamie, because I

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realized that we're watching the
wedding episode, I was like,

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Jamie, you talk a lot like you
telling things that you probably

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shouldn't be telling, but he was
telling.

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But it was nice.
So that's how they grew really

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close to each other quickly
because he was having those

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vulnerable, intimate moments
with her where he was talking.

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I'm like, well, you spill the
beans.

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Like he talked about anything.
Like, I never touch a boob.

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And I mean, it was like, you
tell everything, but what did

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the guy say about you?
This is what the guy said about

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you.
I mean, you said every little

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thing.
But I think which?

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Opens her up to talk so he is a
talker.

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The only time he wasn't talking,
but he was going through a

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trauma that that was the only
time it was quiet.

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She had to pull it out of him.
But he's a talker.

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So the reason why their marriage
is like that, I don't think that

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I think it's because of the time
Claire was in.

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And Jamie is a very open person.
And that's hard to find someone

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who is open, that's freely like
tell you his feelings and, you

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know, not afraid to be like they
said, you know, I should stay

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down there longer and eat
because if not, they be like I'm

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whipped.
I look too.

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And she said, what you say I'm
whipped.

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I was like, OK over that.
Yeah, yeah.

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So I think that that helped them
a lot too.

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And then also.
So it said that Lord John

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doesn't have that.
Yeah, but also with them, you

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know, they were getting married
and they really didn't know

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anything about each other.
And for for Jamie to be a man of

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that time, to be 23 years old,
had never been with a woman

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because most of the people, I
mean, this time, most of the

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fathers are taking their sons to
the whore houses at 1415 to, you

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know, break them in or whatever.
And the fact that Jamie never

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did that, one that talks about
his character as a man.

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And I think part of his
talkativeness during that time

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was to let Claire understand
this is who I am as a person

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when I say that I am yours.
Now, But I mean it.

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And then going back, the reason
why, I think it's because of his

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parents, Yeah.
He had a good example.

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To you like so I think they like
'cause you even see his

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relationship with sisters.
They talk so they had a family

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that like shared things which.
Made him respectful because he's

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very respectful of women.
So I think that started from

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that.
We're doing some family therapy

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here that started when he was
younger.

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But going back to that scene, I
really enjoyed.

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No, I am thankful that they did
not show them having sex.

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I don't.
Think I would have I.

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Don't.
I don't want to see that because

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the only person I want to see
her with is James.

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And yeah, I'm OK with Jamie dies
her being with another person.

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But it's just better that we
really don't know.

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But know what they did.
Yeah, we know he she beat him up

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because he.
Had scratch marks.

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All over his chest.
And we know it's it was probably

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not your basic vanilla because
he apologized to her for not

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being very gentlemanly.
And she was like, well, I don't

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think I was very ladylike
either.

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So, and the fact that she didn't
even remember, she was like, I,

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I, I rather thought I dreamt
that, you know, you're drunk,

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you're in the throes of grief
and rage and all of this other

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stuff.
And you had a moment.

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But I like that they didn't shy
away from it.

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It was just kind of like, OK, so
they're sitting there talking

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and you kind of sort of see them
getting a little comfortable

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with each other just talking.
And like I said, I feel like

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that is a friendship that they
both need because her her

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experiences with Lord John
mostly came through Jamie.

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And I think at this point, just
like he tells her later on in

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the episode, he was like, in
this house, we have to survive.

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And if we can do this together,
then we will always have him,

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which is true.
Like, let's let's work together.

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Yeah.
But it is also very weird

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because, again, you are talking
about a man who was also in love

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with your husband.
So.

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I I get that it he did say that
it has moved on to just a, a, a

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deeper connection with him that
necessarily don't have to be

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that we have to be Yeah, yeah,
he's a great friendship and I'm

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like literally raising his.
Son, Yeah, yeah, because when

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she asked him about that, that
time that Jamie asked in his

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body, yeah, he was like, yeah,
if I would have taken that, then

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it would have tarnished what
came after that, the friendship.

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And that was the most important
thing to me.

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And I'm glad that she told him
also.

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Yours was one of the friendships
Jamie cherish the most in this

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life.
So I'm glad that he has that and

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that they had that and I'm.
You know that he was a great

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person for his son.
Right, right.

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Because really, if Jamie didn't,
if Jamie had a problem with

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Lord.
Yeah, he would have said

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something long time ago and try
to take that boy and stuff like

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that, so he knew it was a great
person.

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But then so they go through the
motions again.

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We don't have an we don't know
for sure how much time has

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elapsed.
But Claire does have to make an

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appearance with Lord John as his
wife at a dinner thrown for the

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British.
And I really was wondering, I

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was like, how is Claire going to
keep her mouth shut?

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But again, Claire is in
mourning.

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So she had her whole personality
is different, is so different.

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So even when the young girl who
was trying to dance, who was

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trying to flirt with William
asked her, she was like, so Lady

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Grey, what do you think about
these things?

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And Claire was like, I wouldn't
think to give my opinion.

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I was like, Oh yeah, this is
definitely not.

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But guess what?
She still gave her opinion.

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Because when the girl walked
off, she looked at him like,

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why?
You can't dance with her, right?

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She was nice.
She was nice, but she she was

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also very, very aggressive.
But she was like, she was nice.

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She could at least dance with
her, right?

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I can't because, you know, I
don't feel it.

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I don't feel like dancing since
Rachel left.

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But yeah.
But OK.

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So Speaking of Rachel, we'll
come back to the clear stuff

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later.
But Speaking of Rachel, finally,

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Ian and Rachel finally get
everything out in the open.

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They both finally said that they
love each other and Ian tells

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Rachel about Emily and his past.
With the Mohawk and everything.

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So I was like I was.
Glad for that because I wasn't

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sure if he was on tail or not.
I don't think I'm like this is

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you need to.
Tail Yeah, Ian is much like his

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uncle James.
That's.

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What I'm saying he's he's been
around.

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Where he just doesn't have the
Polish.

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Yeah, he just wants to talk.
Or you just assume, I assume

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that I already asked you that we
were going to get married.

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Just because you told me you
love Ian baby, that's not how

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this.
Works she told you I loved you

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so we're we haven't even he
haven't even gotten that far.

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This this is not how this works.
I mean, he was in complete

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surprise.
Like we didn't talk about

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marriage.
Rachel was like, no, I think I

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would have known if you asked me
to marry you.

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I wouldn't remember that part.
Right.

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I don't drink so I wouldn't
remember.

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Right.
But you also with within you

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know, one of the things that we
talked about in the last

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episode, we were kind of worried
about seeing how he reacts did

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to the news of Jamie's death.
So we don't get the actual

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reaction, but we do get to see
him making the Cairn and talking

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about it and his conversation
with Claire, what he talks

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about.
I feel like I lost 2 fathers,

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but y'all gonna stop trying to
make me cry.

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But yeah, I like the fact that
we are seeing a little bit more

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of in and Rachel's relationship
and them coming together because

449
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,720
that was one of the things I was
saying.

450
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,840
You know, we saw a lot of her,
the build up of her friendship

451
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,120
and potential relationship with
William and I felt like we

452
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,760
wasn't seeing enough of that
within.

453
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,400
But now we're starting to see
it.

454
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:08,760
So I'm, I'm glad because I don't
think he would have kept the

455
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,160
Emily stuff from Rachel because
that's too big a thing to keep.

456
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,760
But also at the same time, it's,
it's kind of like when he's

457
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,560
sitting there, he's talking
about his dad, he's talking

458
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,200
about Jamie.
He's lost them both.

459
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,280
And then he has to tell this
woman that he loves that he was

460
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,680
formerly married and that he got
kicked out because they lost two

461
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,200
children and.
Didn't find out I actually did

462
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,480
have a.
Right.

463
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,160
And then you find out that you
do have a son, but you can't

464
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,920
raise him because it's, you
know, he's better off than that.

465
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,240
It's like one of the things that
you always say, you realize how

466
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,840
much Ian has lost and you just
want him to have a sliver of

467
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,560
happiness.
So I'm I'm so glad that Rachel

468
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080
is of that understanding sort
where she listens to this, that

469
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,720
she was like, OK, you know what?
You just unloaded everything on

470
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,160
me.
I love you.

471
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,680
I'm telling you very.
Very honest man but I what I

472
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,760
really liked about that
conversation is when he said

473
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840
Emily chose me.
But I grateful.

474
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,000
But I choose you wholeheartedly
and I hope you choose me too.

475
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,560
And she does sound like AR and B
song.

476
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:21,200
You know what we talk about art
No, that was for that was for

477
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,680
Walking Dead because I was like
something something that was

478
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,320
happening.
I was like OK y'all just going

479
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,240
to make AR and B playlist so OK.
But I'm I'm glad they finally

480
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:36,560
got that out the way and and.
I really need to take that

481
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,000
bonnet off and let that hair
down.

482
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,000
But you know, it's just it
probably it better comes and get

483
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,080
her straight now.
Get her straight.

484
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,680
But I think as a Quaker, she has
to keep her hair cut.

485
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,960
I want it down.
OK.

486
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,160
OK.
All right.

487
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,520
OK.
So basically.

488
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,720
Oh, OK.
I was going to say, you trying

489
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,360
to say you want to see a
honeymoon singing?

490
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,360
No, I mean, I don't want to.
No, I don't want to see them do

491
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:02,240
anything.
I just, you know, I just her to

492
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,640
just, you know, they be out in
the running in the field and her

493
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,360
hair just flowing.
I don't know, OK with them.

494
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,160
They just look so happy.
Yeah.

495
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,640
She just looks so pinned up
right now.

496
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:12,560
Right.
Just for me.

497
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,480
Yeah.
Yeah.

498
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,000
OK.
But I understand.

499
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,480
Going back to the Claire and
Lord John thing.

500
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,160
So did I not tell you, Cap,
Captain Richardson was a little

501
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,280
shady?
He was, but he played like you

502
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,600
don't know these people.
You don't know and then.

503
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,120
First of all, this ain't the
time.

504
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,320
OK?
You figured out who she was, but

505
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,840
this ain't that.
You don't know for sure their

506
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,600
relationship, right?
So for you to be like, yeah, you

507
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,240
could be a double spy.
Yeah, I want you to spy on your

508
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,560
husband and tell me.
Oh, also, I want some dirt on

509
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,160
his brother because how is it?
How is back home in Britain

510
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,840
talking to the House of Lords
about reconciliation?

511
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,840
He's trying to end the war.
He's trying to say, look, there

512
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,920
are losses on both sides.
This is accomplishing nothing

513
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,520
less.
Let's see what we can do to

514
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,400
bring about peace.
And Richardson is like, no, we

515
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080
don't want that because that'll
undermine everything we've been

516
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,080
through, everything that we've
done.

517
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,960
So I want you to spy on your
husband, and I want you to get

518
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,120
some dirt on his brother.
Claire was like, excuse me, Sir.

519
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,960
She should have been like, do
you not see these three rings on

520
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,800
my hand?
I'm a very Lord woman.

521
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,000
I'm not.
I'm not.

522
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Betraying my hair.
I'm about to betray my husband

523
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,920
or his family for you.
Yeah.

524
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,960
And then he tries to threaten
her where I where I you need to

525
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,240
keep my confidence because
people are already suspicious of

526
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,480
the.
Fact that, she said.

527
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,280
You don't have to threaten me.
I'm not going to tell on.

528
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,680
You.
She was like, we are on the same

529
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,400
side.
But I'm not going to do what you

530
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,480
want me to do though.
You don't.

531
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:53,760
You don't want to piss Claire
off.

532
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,760
Look, Claire got a whole bunch
of potions.

533
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,520
Yeah, but now this turns into a
plus.

534
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,720
The fuck with Jamie be alive is
a lot to unpack.

535
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,680
It is with how that's handled.
Yeah.

536
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,640
Because again, because she's
clearly she's not going to stay

537
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,240
married to Lord John.
So he look like he's been

538
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,800
harboring a spot.
You know, it's just a lot.

539
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440
OK, so let's talk about Jamie
coming back, because this

540
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,680
happens almost at the end of the
episode.

541
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,960
Claire and Laura John are in her
room.

542
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,240
He's bringing the mail, talking
about all the invitations they

543
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,520
have, and he's getting ready to
open another letter.

544
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,440
And you hear Missus Fig
downstairs.

545
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,920
There's a visitor who comes.
And I think it was Jamie's

546
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,320
letter.
No, he said.

547
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,840
It was, it was somebody else,
somebody having to do with the

548
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,840
war and the the the soldiers and
stuff.

549
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,800
But, you know, there's a knock
at the door.

550
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,440
She says, oh, yeah, they're
upstairs.

551
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,480
Well, I can announce you.
And Jamie just kind of barrels

552
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,840
past her and comes into the
room, says Claire's name.

553
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,240
And of course, there's a
reunion.

554
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Claire and Lord John are both
looking thunderstruck.

555
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,120
Claire, of course, has to get
her kiss in.

556
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,720
And she was like, do it again.
He was like, I, I wish I could,

557
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,760
but I got.
He said.

558
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,160
There's a number of British
soldiers coming after me.

559
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,520
I'm like, Jamie, you just got
here.

560
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,320
How the fuck are you in trouble
already?

561
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,040
Like, what did you do?
Well.

562
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,720
Clearly he don't have papers and
he been evading everyone to get

563
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,800
to the.
Well, he don't have papers.

564
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,680
Yeah, they're asking all the men
from papers, and this man is

565
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,960
moving fast and sneaking around
buildings without giving papers.

566
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,720
That's they looking for.
Yeah, that's true.

567
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,280
But anyway, so Lord John looks
at them, and it's so funny

568
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,240
because right after he gets over
his shock of seeing Jamie alive,

569
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,760
he turns and he looks down.
And you know, the thought that's

570
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,560
going through his head is he's
about to kill me.

571
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,840
He's going to kill me when he
finds out.

572
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,400
But he was like, hate to disturb
this happy reunion, but your son

573
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,400
is on his way home.
And Jamie is like William, he's

574
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,880
here.
They get ready to leave.

575
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,680
William is standing right
outside the door.

576
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,000
He was like son.
And Jamie is just looking like

577
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,320
oh shit.
But also I feel like Jamie was

578
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,760
looking at that with a sigh of
relief because now is all out

579
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,640
there in the open.
You.

580
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,320
Say stop pretending.
Sorry, he did.

581
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,360
That whole government name.
Yeah, because you got to

582
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,840
remember when, when William
first knew him, he was Alex

583
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,360
Mackenzie.
Now he knows him as James

584
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,440
Fraser.
So he was like, who are you,

585
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,680
James?
Yep, James Alexander Malcolm

586
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,880
Mackenzie Fraser and who am I?
And I remember when I read that

587
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,520
line in the book when he said
you are stinking papist and your

588
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,440
baptismal name is William,
William James.

589
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,560
I fell out laughing in the book
because I thought it was so cute

590
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,400
that he was like, you are
stinking papist because

591
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,880
remember, this is what you
wanted.

592
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,800
You wanted to be a stinking
papist because you love me at

593
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,280
this time.
And I love that he he brought

594
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,800
that to him to kind of maybe
soften it or make him realize.

595
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,680
But William at this point is
pissed.

596
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,280
Oh no, I'm I'm not finding the
humor in this at.

597
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,480
All and nothing, because now
your whole world is turned

598
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,880
upside.
Down and Dad you a lie you're

599
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,160
all new, you're all liars but
well, I feel so bad for.

600
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,840
Him.
I'm so glad it's out in the open

601
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,160
now because.
I do too.

602
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,720
Like I said, I've been I really
want William to be pulled into

603
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,320
maybe not fully pulled into
Jamies world because you know

604
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:40,440
there's going to be some anger
there, just like it wasn't I no,

605
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,120
I think it's I think, I think
forgive them in two episodes,

606
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,960
not saying forgive them, but I
think.

607
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,040
And not forgive, but just be a
part of that group.

608
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,440
I think like want to have an
actual conversation about this?

609
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,920
I ask about his sister.
Yeah, I think so.

610
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,440
You.
Think so?

611
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,840
OK.
All right.

612
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,640
Just based on what I know from
the books, there are some things

613
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,480
that there's there's going to be
tension for a long time, I will

614
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,840
say.
Forgive Lord John.

615
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,840
That's in question because the
10th book has not been out yet.

616
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,960
So I'll, I'll tell you about
that off the air.

617
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:22,040
But, but I, I think that there
will be some tension, but I do

618
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,760
think that there will be kind of
sort of an olive branch to be

619
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,880
extended, especially because
there are events that are going

620
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,120
to happen if they do them on the
show, that's going to kind of

621
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,880
require William and Jamie to
work together.

622
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,840
OK, so but he also has to get
back with his dad because he.

623
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Yeah.
And he loves him, too, Yeah.

624
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,000
And he loves them.
He.

625
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,600
Told him the other day like you
were my greatest joy.

626
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,400
So you boy?
Yeah.

627
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,280
But I'm gonna.
Be like Ian to get 2 proposed.

628
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,440
Yeah, but you you got, we have
to give him time.

629
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,280
Yeah, we do.
He has.

630
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,840
To to get it out to, to process
it and to also, again, your

631
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,520
whole identity is now like
you've been raised as Lord

632
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Ellesmere.
Yeah.

633
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,680
So everything that you've known
about yourself is not true.

634
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,080
So we got to give them time to
process it.

635
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,560
And I know that Jamie and Lord
John will respect that.

636
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,960
But of course, we don't know how
that's going to happen because

637
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,880
the Red Coats burst into the
house to try to get Jamie and

638
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,400
William.
Of course, he's pissed, but he's

639
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,880
even more pissed that the Red
Coats just burst it.

640
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,960
How dare you come into the House
of Lord John Gray like this?

641
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,560
And so Jamie points a gun at
Lower John and he takes some

642
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,320
hostage and they leave.
And Claire is sitting there

643
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,640
smiling like, OK, I don't know
what the fuck is going on, but

644
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,520
this is this is great.
Yeah, that's the important.

645
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,320
Thing and I said and then we
should have gave her a few more

646
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,680
minutes of filming and didn't
have her realize.

647
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,120
Oh, she'll remember.
She'll she'll.

648
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,240
But you know what?
I don't think so because she's

649
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,160
not going to look at it.
And Oh no she won't.

650
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,760
But she know.
But also she didn't.

651
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:12,320
She know, she didn't, and
ultimately he was dead.

652
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,560
And second of all, she knows
him, so they just have to.

653
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,640
Talk about it.
Yeah, now it's going to be.

654
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
He going to be mad, but not mad
at her.

655
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,400
Yeah.
Because he's not going to be

656
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,920
like, oh, I feel like you're
hard as somewhere he knows.

657
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,320
Right, I think it would.
I think the thing because once

658
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,520
you make.
It hard 1 honey I sat in my own

659
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:40,760
crap and pee for like 2 weeks in
that bed 2 I almost slit not my

660
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,160
wrist.
I went for the real vein right

661
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,920
here where we take you know give
blood and stuff.

662
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,360
Three, I don't even know what I
was going to do.

663
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,960
My heart stopped.
I'm a whole totally different

664
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,520
woman.
Yeah.

665
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,680
So excuse me if I needed
comfort.

666
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,440
Yeah.
But I think the thing that's

667
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:03,200
really going to be hard for him,
I think he wouldn't have because

668
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,320
of the circumstances, because
she thought he was dead.

669
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,520
Like, really, really dead.
Like I literally had a man come

670
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,080
in and tell me that he saw your
boat.

671
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:15,720
Go down your signature, yeah.
That your boat went in the

672
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:19,520
water?
Yeah, I think if she had taken

673
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,280
comfort with someone else, he
probably wouldn't have worried.

674
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:30,200
I think it's just the fact that
it was Lord John, which for me,

675
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,360
I feel like no, I would.
Think it would be worse with

676
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,600
someone else I think.
It's OK with Lord John?

677
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,920
No, because Lord John.
Because Lord John, even though

678
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,040
he doesn't feel the same way,
Lord John.

679
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,440
Because it would be different if
Claire was presumed dead and you

680
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,600
would and found Leary again and
had relations.

681
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,520
I'd be like what?
Well here's the thing, the first

682
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,320
time you did it, you you know
that Leary was the person who

683
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,920
tried to have Claire Byrne as a
witch.

684
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,000
So you were dumb for doing that
in the 1st place.

685
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,600
Lord John, I feel like he's too
close to the situation.

686
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,680
And because him and Jamie, even
though Jamie does not

687
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,240
reciprocate his feelings, he
does love Lord John.

688
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:16,000
Like that is his closest friend.
That is the person he trusted

689
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:19,400
with the other most precious
thing to him.

690
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,680
I think because of that
proximity, because of that

691
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,120
closeness, that might be the
thing that makes it hard for

692
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,080
Jamie, because how can you still
be best friends with this man

693
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,680
knowing this man has been with
your wife?

694
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,440
Yeah.
You know, so that's going to be

695
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,760
something that they're going to
have to reconcile the.

696
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,880
Deal and figure it out.
You know, he they're mature,

697
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,600
they're older now.
It'll be different if they were

698
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,280
younger.
They're mature now.

699
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,920
I think it'll be all right.
I think it'll just be 1 episode.

700
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,120
We're dealing with this.
All you have to do is just beat

701
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,480
them up one good time to get
that energy out.

702
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,680
That's seriously, that's all
they you know, all he needs to

703
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,280
sleep with Claire and beat up
Lord John and just and then they

704
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,640
done.
OK, OK, I got you.

705
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,400
Yeah.
I got you going back to Lord

706
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,560
John though the situation with
Henry and Mercerwood.

707
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,440
I tell you because they were
just throwing those eyes at each

708
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,040
other.
And they've been throwing them

709
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,880
eyes.
Again I told y'all she just she

710
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,200
was upset and she was having a
disagreement with that husband.

711
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,960
She wasn't too upset because she
had found love.

712
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,240
But you know, it had been
probably over a year, so she

713
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:38,360
probably.
Don't matter.

714
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,600
She found love.
She was good.

715
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:47,600
You say he's at a better place.
I'm going with my life now.

716
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,920
But the fact that they are
trying to get married in 17, in

717
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,840
the late 1700s, yeah, very brave
of them.

718
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,560
But Lord John was like,
absolutely not.

719
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:05,040
He was like, he is What about
Viscount Asher, son of the Duke

720
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,080
of Partlow?
No, he is not about to have any

721
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,640
secret wedding or otherwise,
unless his dad agrees.

722
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,360
And his dad will never agree to
this.

723
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,400
And I love that Claire, even in
her grief, even though her her

724
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,120
personality is kind of.
Resigned at this point.

725
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,840
I love the fact that she still
calls him out on it.

726
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,080
She was like, I never would have
taken you to be a bigot.

727
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,920
He was like, I'm, I'm not.
I'm trying to keep them from

728
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,400
making a mistake.
And then when she presses, yeah,

729
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,000
when she presses it a little
further, he was like, look, I

730
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:44,880
know what it's like to have the
type of love where you can be

731
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,440
condemned for, where you know it
will be met with criticism and

732
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,680
violence, and the type of
marriage they're trying to do is

733
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,600
illegal.
He was like, I don't want them

734
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,560
to go through that.
Neither one of them.

735
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,280
Neither.
One of them and I see his point.

736
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:06,400
It's just a way, of course, he's
a British man, he's a very proud

737
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,200
man and.
He said he just had to learn how

738
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,720
to live his life in secret.
He probably was like dude, you

739
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:15,440
can't figure out this another
way Marry you another woman and

740
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,720
get but no, this is like car to
come along.

741
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,280
Nah, he's like, she is not going
to be my mistress because.

742
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,920
It and she ain't.
She ain't going to have that.

743
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,840
Because even when Laura John was
like, Henry, can I talk to you

744
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:29,600
in private?
She said.

745
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,000
With all due respect, sorry,
this is my house.

746
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,040
Whatever you going to say about
my future, you can say it in

747
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,000
front of me.
He was like, OK, so I don't know

748
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:45,200
how that's going to go because I
don't think I don't think they

749
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,360
got married in the books.
I don't think there was a thing

750
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,280
where they were trying to get
married in the books.

751
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,000
But also at this point, how was
already in town?

752
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,440
I think no, he was coming to
town.

753
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,520
And so there's a lot that takes
place in the books with how,

754
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,600
which I don't know if they're
going to do on the show because

755
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,080
I don't think they really have
time to do all of that because

756
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,920
the stuff with how is like it
could be its own separate side

757
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,520
plot.
So I, I don't know if they're

758
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,200
going to bring that in.
I would like for them to because

759
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:23,480
I actually like Hal in the books
and the the kind of the kind of

760
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,360
reluctant friendship that he
develops with Claire.

761
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,920
I love it because it's like
they're very respectful of each

762
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,920
other.
But Claire, of course, Claire in

763
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,000
her mouth, she tells them what
she thinks, how she thinks and

764
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,640
she makes she's just like, OK,
you just need to do you just

765
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,600
need to do this.
Like he in the books, how has he

766
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,240
has severe asthma and she saves
his life a couple of times

767
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,760
because he doesn't understand
what it is.

768
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,120
And there are things and she's
like, you need to do this, you

769
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,800
need to do this.
He was like, I will not

770
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,520
absolutely you will.
And it's just watching it.

771
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,400
Listen, you know, listening to
their banter back and forth.

772
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,880
It's so much fun.
And I would love to see it with

773
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,760
the two actors here on this
show.

774
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,240
Again, I don't know if we're
going to get it, but it's it's

775
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,400
about to get interesting because
Jamie is back and now you got to

776
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,360
go through and kind of you've
got to refigure your life.

777
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,400
Yeah.
In a.

778
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,520
Society with she's supposed to
be married to Lord John and

779
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,320
yeah, it's going to be.
OK, so the other thing about

780
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,240
that is a lot of people
understand that she married Lord

781
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,960
John because her husband died.
But if he shows up alive and and

782
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,000
the explanation of how he
survived gets out automatically

783
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000
that that's fire.
But.

784
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,960
Then it's like.
Like you were married to a

785
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,760
rebel, right?
They still rebels.

786
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,320
In the wrong location.
Yeah, I don't think, I don't

787
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,200
think he's going to care about
that right now because.

788
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,280
Hold on, none of them don't care
right now because they honestly

789
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,040
probably going to care about
William, so I don't think they

790
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,120
really care about the.
Stuff that's about to the

791
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,440
British is about to withdraw
from the city, so I don't think

792
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,440
that would be much of a problem.
But like you said, now we've got

793
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,440
to get all the Williams stuff
figured out and then Claire and

794
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,720
Jamie are going to have to
reconcile.

795
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:21,200
They're going to have to hash
this out and then move on.

796
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,040
And we don't know what they're
going to do.

797
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,240
Are they going to stay in
Philadelphia?

798
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:25,960
Are they going to head back
towards the Ridge?

799
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,440
Are we going to get them going
to New Bern at any point in time

800
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,880
and reuniting with Ferguson
Marsley?

801
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,720
Because that is also a big part
of the story around this time in

802
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:40,760
the books.
So, and I do know that Ferguson

803
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,920
Marsley are coming back.
I just don't know when.

804
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,560
So it's, it's just there's so
many things that can happen

805
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,920
right now in terms of in terms
of their story.

806
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,920
But I think the most important
thing at this point is we need

807
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,040
to see kind of what the
resolution is going to be

808
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:04,240
between Claire, Jamie and Lord
John and then figure out the

809
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,360
William stuff because everything
else.

810
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,560
Of.
Course, but you know, I, I kind

811
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,520
of want, I don't want this to
become in between him and Lord

812
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,200
John because that is a, that is
a friendship that is absolutely.

813
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,960
Important to both of them.
That's all.

814
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,120
That's all that's just that's
needed to get that energy out.

815
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,400
You know what I'm saying?
And then Lord John is going to

816
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,920
take the punches because he's
going to feel guilty.

817
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,560
And then hopefully Jamie, that's
not going to kill him, but

818
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,440
saying he going, he going to
tear him up a little bit.

819
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,000
Hey, I don't think he's going to
going to kill him.

820
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,480
So I mean, this is the man that
raised your son, right?

821
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,000
So, and you already, your son
already pissed off at you.

822
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,640
You don't want to give him
further reason because yes,

823
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,840
William might be pissed off at
Lord John, but that's still his

824
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:55,200
paw.
Yeah, it's.

825
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,360
True.
So, but OK, so let's leave all

826
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,600
them to the side because we need
to talk about Rodger and Brianna

827
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,680
and what's going on with them on
their end.

828
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,040
So Rob Cameron did not.
Nope.

829
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,240
Take Jim through the stones and
he has the audacity to show up

830
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:20,800
at Brianna's house threatening
her about the gold.

831
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,120
And that we as a family don't
get on a plane.

832
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,080
Right, we're going to pretend
like we one nice, big happy

833
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,320
family.
And go find the gold.

834
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,680
So American find the gold and
once I have the gold in my hand,

835
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,400
I'm a let you and Jim go.
She really supposed to believe

836
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,000
that, right?
For real, No.

837
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,800
And then you try to overpower
her.

838
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,520
The only reason why you did was
because she had just injured her

839
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,480
fingers.
Because I think if she had full

840
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,280
use of both hands, Brianna would
have whipped that.

841
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,720
Yeah, she would have stabbed
him, but she got him good.

842
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,240
She did.
She clocked him with that

843
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:57,440
friend, right?
Real good, knocked his ass out.

844
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,800
But he even like the way that we
see him in this scene, you can

845
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,400
tell he has lost it because
every time we've seen Rob

846
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,520
Cameron before, he's always been
nicely off.

847
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,120
And you will lose it too if
you've been interviewing a child

848
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,720
for two days and they give you
nothing.

849
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,480
And we but, but we don't even
know how long it's been at this.

850
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,920
But that's true too.
He's giving him nothing.

851
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,560
And he talking about, yeah,
there's some what there are some

852
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,000
other ways that I can make him
talk.

853
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,280
OK, I will say this because in
the books, in that scene, he

854
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,360
actually threatens to rape
Breanna.

855
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,640
And what happens before she hits
him with the frying pan or

856
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,480
before she hits him?
She actually does take her pants

857
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,840
off because he, I think was he
pointing a gun at her?

858
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,280
I think he had her shotgun or
something because he had picked

859
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,000
it up in the hall when he snuck
in the house.

860
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:54,760
She'd actually taken her pants
off like she was going to, you

861
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,320
know, she throws the pants at
him, He runs after her and I

862
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,080
think she clocks him with a
baseball bat.

863
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,360
I would have loved to have seen
that.

864
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,600
But the fryer pan was good too.
But I'm glad that they didn't

865
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,400
put that part because we don't
like we have had enough sexual

866
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,360
violence in this show.
Even the implication of it was,

867
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,320
you know, I'm glad they did not
put it in there.

868
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,080
And she just let him let him
have it with the frying pan and

869
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,840
without cold.
Now we can't call Paige, e-mail,

870
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,440
send a letter to Rodger to say
you can come back home, right?

871
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,840
But he's on his own mission,
yes, with his sidekick.

872
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,480
OK, you know what?
I would totally totally be up

873
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,360
for a Rodger and Buck sideshow.
Y'all look this.

874
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,520
As much as I always rant about
the six, six episode seasons,

875
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,960
y'all could do a little 6
episode art with just Roger and

876
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,240
Book going through the
countryside looking looking for

877
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,480
either Jeremiah McKenzie the big
one or Jimmy Mackenzie the

878
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,240
little one.
Because I love their dynamic in

879
00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,680
this.
It's like the longer they're

880
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,920
with each other, they play very
well off each other.

881
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,440
Because when Rodger is asking
questions and he's getting

882
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,720
frustrated, Buck is right there
with a viable explanation like

883
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:15,040
the guy, because Buck is really
more towards that time than

884
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,880
Rodger is.
Bugs looking like like this.

885
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:23,280
That's how you ask, right?
People will feel some type of

886
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,800
way, right?
But they do get some clues as to

887
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,080
where this the ferryman is.
And then they actually come

888
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:36,240
across some guy who actually has
Jerry Mckenzie's military

889
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,880
jacket.
And when Rodger tries to find

890
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,320
out more information about the
ferryman, the guy who has the

891
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:48,600
jacket and his two adult sons,
they feel very threatened and

892
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,720
they like, they, they broke up
like they're about to fight,

893
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:54,680
which tells me something ain't
right with them.

894
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,560
So because the guy claimed that
the jacket was his, you ain't

895
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,840
got no 1900s military jacket and
you from the 17, like, so

896
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,240
something is weird about that.
And Rodger also feels it too.

897
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:13,640
But he was like an RAF pilot
would have fought to the death

898
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,200
for that jacket.
So he's starting to think, OK,

899
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,520
maybe he's already dead and this
is just pointless.

900
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,480
And Buck is like, no, that
doesn't necessarily mean that

901
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,200
he's been harmed.
Maybe he traded it for money.

902
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,040
Maybe he traded it for food.
I mean, if you think about it,

903
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,320
this is a man who is very much
out of time and probably had to

904
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,360
do what Claire did.
Claire had to do some quick

905
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,680
thinking.
The good thing that happened

906
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,560
with Claire is that Murta found
her and took her to Dougal in

907
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,240
them.
So she was able to kind of get

908
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:45,520
her wits.
Jerry probably did not have that

909
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,800
kind of intervention.
So he's already a strange man,

910
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,160
dressed strange, probably look
strange depending on what his

911
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,640
hair was like his, you know, if
he's in military, he's probably

912
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,320
clean shaven, but he probably
just looks like he is out of

913
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,440
place.
And so, so he could have come

914
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,000
across these guys who have his
jacket and they could have, they

915
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,480
could have taken it from him,
they could have robbed him, they

916
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,520
could have done anything.
So now Rodger has to make a

917
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,160
decision.
Are we going to continue to

918
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,120
pursue this?
And he decides he is because he

919
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:26,000
still thinks that somehow his
father being there and Jim being

920
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,000
there, which again, he does not
know that Jim did not go through

921
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,360
the stones.
He thinks that they're connected

922
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,920
and maybe Jim is with his
father.

923
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,840
But I started thinking about
that and I was like, what kind

924
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,600
of sense would that make?
Because Jerry McKenzie wouldn't

925
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,400
know about Jim and Jim wouldn't
know about Jerry McKenzie

926
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,760
because Rodger was only, what,
four or five when his dad died.

927
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,600
So it's a it's a long stretch to
say, OK, maybe my dad has Jim

928
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,960
instead of Rob Cameron, so.
Yeah, it is, but hopefully they

929
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:06,480
will reunite and somehow he will
go back home.

930
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,000
But The thing is, if he goes
back home, that change so.

931
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,080
Not the dad.
Oh, OK.

932
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,280
So this mission has to be
completed.

933
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:21,760
And then you have to realize you
really was thinking about your

934
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,000
son, but you really need to
reconnect with your dad.

935
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,240
I don't know.
For, for, for whatever reason,

936
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:32,680
whatever reason, yeah, yeah.
So, so I, I don't know, but you

937
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,240
know.
That Rodgers want to go back

938
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:38,880
because he has a stone.
He does have a stone, yeah.

939
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,040
And he has one and he said we
had to find two more and say why

940
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,440
you didn't say that out loud.
I mean, it's he.

941
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,080
He means we have a hard time
finding more stuff.

942
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,600
Maybe not, maybe not.
He looked up on this one.

943
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,680
He did, but the way he said it
like we, we know, like hello, we

944
00:52:58,680 --> 00:52:59,320
did.
This is.

945
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,760
Yeah.
We know you need a stone.

946
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,640
Yeah.
Don't have to say it out loud.

947
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,640
I know.
Just buy the stone and move on.

948
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,760
I know.
Two more stones.

949
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,960
OK, I got you.
I see what you're doing there.

950
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:20,360
We'll see how it plays out, but
let's see, do we have anything

951
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,800
else to talk about in the
center?

952
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,240
No, I think we covered it all.
Yeah, Jamie's back.

953
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:27,360
Yay.
Michelle grabbed my leg.

954
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,760
She was like, yes, yes, I'm.
And I'm glad they didn't drag

955
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,720
that on.
No, I mean what I say they're

956
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:36,840
moving, but this one was a a
little bit slower than last

957
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:37,680
week.
But they're moving.

958
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,680
Yeah, they're moving.
Yeah, they're getting in all the

959
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,640
stories and I, I really don't
know how this is going to.

960
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,400
I don't either.
Have like whole clue.

961
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,360
But that.
But that's a.

962
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:55,640
Good thing that's a good thing.
But like none the final scene

963
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:03,960
before it fades, the black.
Yeah, yeah, but and it can't be

964
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,840
that everybody happy because the
way they go, they get into shit

965
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,640
all the time.
So it's like.

966
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,120
Happy what's happening?
I mean, they'd be happy, but

967
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,920
stuff is happening, yes.
Like, you know, they're not

968
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,600
relaxing on a cruise.
They are.

969
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,440
It is constant.
Yeah, it is constant, constant.

970
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,200
Speed bumps always say when
stuff happens it like it's a

971
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:26,120
speed bump.
They are on a rocky road.

972
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,800
Yeah, and this is this is even
without all the stuff about the

973
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,720
upcoming war.
Yeah, their own, they have their

974
00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:40,400
own family issues when stuff
happens and it's fine, it makes

975
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,240
them stronger.
But it's not going to end with

976
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,480
everyone just being happy
because it's not even realistic

977
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,480
because there'll be something
happening in the next week for.

978
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,200
Them.
I know, I know, but the

979
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,640
important thing is Jamie is.
So now I just need Ian to see

980
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,720
that his other dad is not dead.
Yeah, but he is gone.

981
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,000
But he'll be back.
He's he just took, OK.

982
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,720
He just took Rachel to Valley
Forge so she could meet up with

983
00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,200
Denzel and the Fighting Quakers.
He's coming back.

984
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,720
He's not.
You know, he's got a little

985
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,760
issue with that.
They're traveling alone and

986
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,240
they're not married.
I'm just saying.

987
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,560
But I don't think Kenya would do
anything to this.

988
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,160
I didn't say I didn't say they
don't.

989
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:23,880
Do anything because I don't
think they are.

990
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,920
I know they smooching but I'm
just saying just you know.

991
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,360
They got Rolo, they they got the
best, they got the best

992
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,600
bodyguard.
They do but that's not what I'm

993
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,760
also saying.
I'm like people be like they

994
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,640
just take it.
Y'all not marry y'all just

995
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,560
traveling, just traveling like
y'all taking trips courting.

996
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:48,000
Her he's Scottish look he's
Scottish.

997
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,920
They can say they're hand fast
or or something.

998
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,680
OK, I mean I'll.
Go with that.

999
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,800
OK, sure.
So it it it can a poor

1000
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:02,520
reputation, but that's fine.
The Quaker on the side of the

1001
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:07,480
rebels, Do you really think she
give a damn about a reputation?

1002
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,120
Well, first of all, we Ian, she
don't care.

1003
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,200
I think she told him she don't
care.

1004
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,760
Yeah.
Because I mean, they know what

1005
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,400
they are to each other.
And she was like.

1006
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,640
And he is a very honorable man.
So, right, Jamie raised them

1007
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,840
well.
So OK, Jamie's bad.

1008
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:33,920
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1009
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,560
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1010
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