Outlander S7E13 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #326

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here with Michelle and we are discussing Outlanders season 7 episode 13 in which Michelle gets her wish. She finally gets to see Rachel let that hair down. Yeah, she let it down. Let it down. I would have been a little bit more excited if she had it down at that wedding, 'cause I was like you still tucking their hair pieces. Take it off, Take it off. But I'm glad she headed down. Yeah, I'm wondering if has. To has to keep that on like as a single person, 'cause you know, some especially with, with their with their religion, maybe she has to keep her head covered while she is single and now that she's married, maybe in future episodes we'll see her at least with it uncovered, if not free flowing.

1:16 I mean, you get to see it free flowing in the bed, so I don't. Know OK I was excited I. Was excited but I would say this too with with their with their little honeymoon scene or wedding night scene. I felt very uncomfortable watching this 'cause I felt like I was watching 2 of my children and I was just like I. I get, I get that. I had to Fast forward because of watching the episode. It's amazing when when nothing is happening, nobody is coming down the stairs, walking around and then when stuff is happening they in the kitchen and I'm thinking OK, they staying in the kitchen no problem. As soon as they go into their bed I'll say oh hell, why she had to come?

2:03 I don't know what's about to happen. So I was Fast forward until they were to the end while they were talking. So I kind of missed it, which I'm glad because yeah, they are our kids. So that's a little. It, it was very strange because I was watching it and I'm like, OK, yay. They, they finally are married. They get to have some, some cuddle time. And then while I was watching, I was like, I feel really uncomfortable watching this. And I had to pause it a couple of times and then I finally got through and I was just like, yeah, I don't think I can do that again. It's, it's like watching your children are watching your children's friends. It was just, it's different from watching Jamie and Claire, right? And I have the same issue with Brianna and Roger to be honest with.

2:51 OK. So it is because of the kids. Yeah, yeah, I don't. Got no problem with Jamie and Claire, yeah? None at all. So yeah. Except for the except for the wedding night episode, which I rewatched last week, I was like, OK. You had a problem with that I. Didn't have a problem with it. I was just like, do I need to leave the room? I mean, I just kind of felt like, oh, oh, I'm just spying on them. Yes, yeah, it it does feel like that for that one, Yeah. So, so, OK, so let's talk about this episode 'cause there were other things happening aside from the wedding that we have been waiting for. How did you feel about the reveal of Jeremiah McKenzie? Dad.

3:37 Oh, that was so sweet. But you know how you know what I wanted to say? Tell him. Tell him who you are. But you know what? I. Thought I mean, I understand why, I do understand why, but I just wanted to 'cause he was talking about just in case he don't come out the right way with, you know, the time with his son. I just want you to be like your son. I'm your son and I'm OK. I, I made it. But you know what? I feel like Roger may have thought if he told his dad that right before he went through the stones, that would have been on his mind and he probably would have come back the way that him and Brianna and Jimmy did when they left and they were trying to get home and home for them is where Jamie and Claire is. So I'm thinking that's why he did it. Especially when he tells Buck later when he was talking about when they got ready to go through the stones. He was thinking of.

4:33 Jamie But when he touched the he had a brief moment about thinking of his father and how much he misses having his dad. And how he misses dad and how you know his son would miss his dad. So it was cool. It was cool to see great great grandfather, father and son going through the woods. That was sweet and everything. They did really good with the casting too because I'm looking at them like if they did. All three of them together. Yeah, they did a they did a great job with that. It was sweet. I, I, I truly enjoyed it. But they, they tied some science in there for me.

5:15 So, you know, I loved it because Roger figured out like, oh, Brianna was talking about, she felt felty underneath in the dam. So if we go all the way back, maybe Stones was at the top. I'm like, good job, Rodger. Yeah, 'cause like Buck said, he was like, yeah, your time, we will be standing under underwater right now because, because the dam flooded that whole little valley. So yeah, that was that was interesting. The other interesting part was of, of course, parallel to that part of the story, you have the reveal of Jimmy, who is actually in the dam because that's where that's where Rob Cameron took him. So Jimmy is remembering what Bri told him about how she got out of the tunnels.

6:02 So when he comes to that part where you see the little shimmer of the the portal and he can hear Rodger calling and then Rodger can hear a little bit of Jim calling when they did that and Roger was like, is that a young boy? I said wait, I thought. I, I thought so too and I was like, oh they changed up, Hanukkah lied to me, they changed it. He's going to be there. And then when, when it shows what it show the sister saying I can feel him again. I said well damn, they throwing us off again. That little boy over there underneath the rock ain't him. Was I?

6:43 I was panicking because I was like, if Jim goes back, like, how are they going to fix this? I should have known better, but still, it was like one of those things. I thought he, I thought he did. And I was like, Oh my gosh, this is amazing. Like all the generations going to be together and we got to get them back home. That's what I thought, but it was some random kid. So I'm like, oh, OK. Right, but the random kid at least did get them to Jeremiah, so that was good. But I was sitting there like, Oh my God, what are they doing? How are they going to do what? How is Brianna going? I was just, I was so confused because it, but at the same time too, it's kind of like when Jimmy was approaching that little portal, Remember Brianna, when she saw it, she ran straight through it and she didn't go anywhere.

7:34 And maybe that's because the stones are not there. Or, you know, I'm not the science person, so I don't know how to say well. I'm just assuming like because the stones are at the top and the stones are there, that's just like a remainder, a remnant of it. So yeah, when take it. But I thought it could cause Dad or Rodger was calling and he heard them. I was like, then I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, it will actually take him. But no, it didn't 'cause they really do need the actual stones and he didn't have actual any stones on him. Yeah, I jewelry stone. Stuck. They would have been stuck or killed so. I don't know whether Jimmy.

8:19 Actually went through it. Or if he decided like Brianna was like, Nah, let me not touch this, let me go find another way. But he ends up outside and then Brianna ends up finding him. But that, that little part, I love the way that they did it because it was kind of parallel, because you have Rodger looking for Jeremiah and you think he's about to find the one that he's actually looking for. And then he finds the one that was the mistake. And I love it 'cause I was like, OK, you have all of these Mackenzie's right there. But like you say, it would have been nice if. Jim, all of them. Was there? Yeah. But then that would have complicated things because Brianna would have never known that Jim actually did go through the stones, Especially once she finds out that he's not in the past and that Rob Cameron has it.

9:08 Speaking of Rob Cameron, let me tell you, he's lucky that Bree only slapped him and kicked him at the beginning. Because the way he was and the way he was acting, I was like, I'd have beat him. I'd have been like, you can tell me where my son is. But now she's got bigger problems because he's somehow gotten out. Of which means he had to have help. There is no way he could have got out of there. He has to have help and stuff so. Which is going to be dangerous for her because it's just her and and Mandy right now she doesn't have anybody else there to to protect her. So I don't know.

9:53 But they don't know camera. Yeah, but I also liked the discussion when they were talking about Rodger and then was talking about he was like, I don't remember. I think I should remember having time with my dad if I see him back. If he went back, yeah. If he went back and I like Buck was like, no, 'cause we already stupid so we wouldn't have the memory, yeah. Yeah, he was like, we're in the past, we're before, we're before our time, and I don't have any memories of this. Right. So yeah, so it's it's I like that. So we'll we will see what ends up happening. So for me, I was hoping what you say so. There's a multiverse.

10:39 Oh yeah, well, yes. But then I got excited because I'm like, OK, you send Dad back, and I'm hoping that Dad pops up and helps Brianna. So, you know, in my mind, I'm creating different stories. That's probably not gonna happen. That that would be a bit of a push. And I say that because he would have no one. He doesn't know that Roger is his son, so he would have no he would have no way to to begin looking unless he goes to the old Reverend Wakefield's house. But if he went Fiona is living. But he wouldn't have even known that Roger ended up with Reverend Wakefield.

11:22 So it would be it would be a big stretch. But if he went back as when he was a little kid and raised him. Yeah, I'd so I, I. We don't have no idea. So then that basically says then he never went back. I don't. He went back because if he, because not only if he went back to raise Rodger, that would literally change everything because Rodger would have never been at Reverend Wakefield's house. He would have never met Frank and Claire. So that connection wouldn't have been there. He would have never been around to help Claire find Jade. So it's like it would have had a domino effect. So I think. Right.

12:03 So that I'm just causing. So that means he never did get back to Rodger as a baby or he didn't still die. We don't know. Could. Could have. Yeah, could have. That's why I said you should have just told him, just in case he got stuck in the stones again. I went to another time, you know what I'm saying? I went to another time. But we didn't want him coming back to that time because the people in that time were not being kind to. Him. No, not at all. Not at all looking. Like, OK, this fairy man is from the devil. We're going to and then you stole. You stole a goat, so they're already looking for him. And Rodger was like, so what's the punishment for him stealing the go? Oh, he might take his hand.

12:46 He might take his head for a goat. Goat, you'd be like, wait, what? OK, we got to get you out of here. We'll figure out how to get out of here on our own. We can do that, right? But you need to get out of here. Yeah, but I do like, at the end, you know, we've been talking back and forth about Rodger and, you know, whether or not Jim was back in the past. And now that we know definitely that he is not even Brianna is having doubts because when she's having a conversation with Fiona, she was like, Rodger will never come back without our son, but he has no way of knowing that Jim is not there. So she's thinking that. And, you know, that was something that we had also talked about when we weren't sure whether Jimmy was in the back.

13:29 But now Rodger is kind of like, OK, so if I was thinking about my dad and, you know, if I was thinking about Jeremiah and ended up here with my dad to possibly save him, I'm really thinking that Jeremiah, that my Jeremiah is not here. So now I think Roger is really about to be like, OK, we've been searching for at this point, it could have been weeks, you know, that they've been there. Nobody has seen this blonde child. Nobody has seen him. So there's. So at this point you got to be like. Yeah, you, you got to use your deductive reasoning. If nobody has seen a, a, a blonde haired child, either with a man or without, like nobody's seen this child at all, then it goes to figure that this child is not here. So at this point, Rodger probably will try to make his way back.

14:21 But whether he goes back where the buck goes back, 'cause like you said, they just gave their last gem to Jeremiah, so now they got to find gems if they are going to go back, I don't know. Right. And I think he I think he understands that Jimmy is not there because I think he get realized that he was there to help his dad. So now it's like you got to go through the stones and really think about your son, which should lead you home currently. That's what I'm thinking. It's going to going to happen. So but that was that was a little sweet story with him being able to actually see his dad, get to know his dad for a second, see what his dad was doing to actually disappear. Yeah, you know, knowing his dad was brave and courageous and stuff and trying to end the war.

15:12 But I'm going to tell you something. I'm still mad at Jamie. I'm disappoint. I'm not mad at him. I'm disappointed. I'm still disappointed, OK, like I'm disappointed because he he don't seem like he I'm. I'm really cursing. I want to cry. It's like he don't care what is going on with Lord Grey. I'm like really upset about that because he's he's never been that person. He's never been that person. And now it's like, oh, he he's not around. Fuck, no, he's not around. Like hello, you know, I'm saying you more concerned that y'all in the bed that y'all they they were messing around in but didn't concern about this. You just left him out there.

16:01 And then when I can't think of the brother name. What's the brother name? Denzel. Say something about it. You can still don't show any concern. You having conversations with Claire? Get your ass out down the street and find this man 'cause you caused this that. They wanted to hang him. Right. He he didn't do anything to deserve that. He has done a lot for you and your child and he deserves A and for your wife for just one issue to happen right where you don't give a fuck. And now and. I was so ready to talk to you about it. Because right, Right. So this to me is like the ether and Claire to you. That's how this is for me.

16:51 Jamie would never have done this and I don't like how they wrote that. But he's he's not even mustering a fuck about it at all. I mean, you can see a little bit of concern on not. Enough to move. But I think part of it is if Jamie looks too deeply at all of that right now, he's going to realize that it's his fault that John is in this situation. And I don't know if he wants to. You know, when he was having a conversation with Claire in the bed, he said, you know, he said, yeah, I'm mad at him. I hold him at fault, but I don't want him dead, he said. And then William is just out there. I don't know what's going on with him.

17:32 I think right now he's trying to avoid looking in the mirror and seeing how much of this is his fault, you know, and. I think I need him to move a little bit quicker, yeah, and stuff. Yeah, like that was OK living luxuriously in this man's house. You at the wedding y'all just sitting there chilling until the spirit moves you and all that you you don't. This man could be dead. Yeah. And Claire and did you ain't saying anything like you know Claire. I know she happy days home. I know I. I think she not just that, I think in a sense she's trying to maybe give him the space to work out his feelings on that.

18:19 Because again, I understand why Jamie is mad. And yes, it's a it's a sense of pride. I do realize that. But at some point Jamie does have to realize, like you said, this man has been a trustworthy and valuable friend to you for 30 years. This man has raised your child. This man has gotten you out of situate like Jamie. Should be dead 2-3 times though. Right. Right, and Lord John has always saved his ass even though they are on opposite sides of this war. They are literally enemies as far as that goes, but Lord John always comes through in the clutch for him. So yeah, I, I feel you on that.

19:01 I'm kind of like, OK Jamie, I understand you. You still mad and you want to hold on to that anger, but bruh, you need to fix this. Like you literally admit it. He was almost hanged on my account. Right, so you get up right. So that that part that that made me mad. Yeah, OK. And even though I was enjoying the wedding, that still made me mad. They they was doing. That wedding for real though. I did enjoy what it was funny to me. It was looks and I just like when the spirit moves you and everybody looked like they about sleep. That's what was the funny part. And then that one part when he was like, well, it was my fault and such such. And Claire was like, I wouldn't say anything and you'll still need to say anything.

19:49 Yeah, I would advise you in the spirit to keep quiet. On the matter, yeah. Yeah, it was sweet because Denzel was sweet about what he said about his sister and stuff at first, you know? And was like, is he talking about me in a bad way? But he wasn't. It was a sweet little wedding, it. Was. I just feel like it just took a beat too long. Well, that's the part they would talk about because nobody was moved. They were about sleep, lay by sleep. And the the spirit didn't move you to say, OK, look, I don't know what we're waiting for, but I'm ready to make this woman my wife and but. But Ian, has he been by herself some time? He could not speak for a week, so he could be fine just sitting there chilling.

20:31 That that's true, but also I think I think maybe if they had explained a little bit more to everyone, because I think aside from the the three people in the back, the Bertram's, that's the people who own the garden that clear those too. I know in the books they are also friends. So they're they're Quakers. So aside from them, nobody else in the room was really sure what to expect. And I think maybe if they had had a longer explanation, which I do think they give in the books to kind of let them know, OK, this is how this is how friends meetings are and this is how we do things. And I think if they had done maybe a little bit longer explanation, a little bit more in depth, it wouldn't have felt as awkward.

21:16 But that first 15 minutes, and I know it, it was supposed to feel awkward, but it was just kind of like, can we hurry up? I just, yeah, I want to move on, especially with that, with there being so many other things going on. Yeah, like finding Lord try. Great. Yeah, yeah, that part. Too that too that. You know, that would have been nice. But I mean, we have the all the other stuff like with with Bree, you know, she finally goes to the police once she finds Jimmy and then the police are literally there accusing her of. Having an affair? Where's your husband? Is there something else we should know? So is there? You had dinner with you. Has has a key to your house? Are you sure you didn't?

21:56 I was like, he was like, no need to get hysterical, she said. Oh, you haven't seen hysterical yet. I'm like I'm waiting for. Yeah, but OK. Even so, Sir, even if we were having an affair, even if I plan to leave him, leave my husband and leave with him, he should not have kidnapped my kid and put him in a dam by himself. There is no reason for that, Sir. Right. Yeah, that's. Why I'm totally different now if he was banging on my door and begging me to leave with him then y'all can question are y'all having an affair but kidnapping my son? Yeah, yeah. So, but you know, I guess there.

22:37 She did the smartest thing though. She did the smartest thing. Besides giving her kids to the friend, she also gave the letters Praise you, thank you for thinking. But but what do they have to go through in order for them to realize they need to secure that damn? Box. I don't know. I was like great idea this time. Great. That is great. I but I'm glad she has Fiona. Yeah, I do, because Fiona is she's been she she's such a help in this because she has nobody else to talk to. Like, who else would she be able to say? Well, yeah, my husband kind of went to the past to go search for my child and and be able to explain that and have somebody to kind of shoot the ideas back and forth between and right. Because you have to walk around and say, well, I don't know why Cameron took him.

23:35 Yeah, you do. But at least she can say that like, well, yeah, he wanted the the gold. He wanted that. We don't necessarily know if he knows where the gold is. Yeah, because you should have asked him. But that's neither here nor there. But you know, I'm sitting here wondering if if there's, I don't know it like is there a way that she could still explain that to the cops and it not be suspicious? I mean, I guess she could if they were to, if they were to ask to look at, look at the letters, then they probably like that might be a little funny, but you know, everybody in their letters, they are very careful not to say anything about them, you know, being from the past or anything like that. But she don't even have to mention that part because you already set up that Rodger is on business out of town. You can just be like Rodger is from money. Yeah.

24:32 And Cameron kidnapped him wanting money. Or or she could because we found. We, we, we say that our family has gold in United States. We have a history on our family has some gold in the United States. And Roger mentioned that one time and that he, he just assumed that we really do have gold. And that's all you got to say. Like one of our, our ancestors has said they left us a, a, a chest of gold. And we always make fun of that. And we mentioned it to him at dinner and I guess he really took it like our family has a chest of gold. But then I I guess the question would end up being so why didn't he kidnap one of you 2 instead of the child?

25:17 Like what would the child know? So I guess it would still get a little murdered. Because you no, because you would, you would make sure you really said something. If it's your kid, if it's you, be like, I'm not. We don't have gold. We don't believe you. Bang, bang you dead. But it's serious time when it's your kid being kidnapped like you. You can't lie. You have to tell the truth. Yeah, but the fact that you still ain't found no gold. OK, I'm just telling you, Rob Cameron. I don't know if I want to say he needs to die, but he needs to have his ass seriously whipped for. All of that, yeah, he can go ahead. He can go ahead and die 'cause he, he, he gonna die, he gonna have to die, Yeah, 'cause he gonna keep coming back and he gonna tell the secret. And he's got help.

26:05 So now she's got to sit here and figure out who's who helped him because who would have who would have known to come looking for Rob at that particular house? Like, is this somebody that she already knows? Is this some somebody that Rob just gave the information? At this point, she doesn't really know because again, going back to a conversation we had a few episodes ago, you know, they pretty much keep to themselves, probably because of the fact that they they have this secret that they're trying to keep and they're trying to make sure that nobody else finds it out. But you also put yourself in a difficult position because again, aside from Fiona and her husband, who her husband has no idea what's going on, you don't really have anybody that you do that that can help you or that can back you up. So, yeah, so now she's gonna have to figure that out and then at the same time, try to figure out what she's gonna do about the fact that her husband is in the past looking for their child and their child is not there.

27:08 You know, And I felt bad for Jimmy because he he feels guilty. He was like, if I had gotten out sooner, if I had figured it out sooner, then dad wouldn't have had to go through the stones. I'm like, baby, that is not your fault. No it's not. It's a crazy man's fault. Not your fault at all. But the fact that he was able to figure out what to do and to get out, OK, so all, all of y'all look, having, having a, a type of life where you can go back and forth through these standing stones, you got to be smart 'cause you have to, you have to be able to think on the fly. And I'm glad you did that. And it was so cute 'cause he was sitting there and then he was like, OK, on your feet, soldier, as granny would say.

27:51 And I love the fact that he remembers that because for him that would have been four, maybe five years ago. So the fact that he kept that in mind and he went from there, I was like, OK. The Claire. Claire and Jamie are still having positive influences on the. Right. Yeah, They, they have imprinted with him. He they, he spent a good beginning part of his life with him. So some things are not going to go away. He may not remember what they look like, but he'll remember the things that they said to him. Yeah. So. Yeah, but I'm trying to think there was something else in this episode. I won't say what else was in this episode.

28:32 Boy, what do we spend a lot of time? Oh, see, we spend a lot of time with Roger figure out the stones, which also I like that part because it kind of told us that there's, there are other places where there are stones, but we don't know, 'cause I got could have got torn down. Yeah. And then so it'll be nice if she writes a book about like, I don't know, the beginning of the stones. Maybe they were used for travel. I don't know. I'm just making some stuff up back now. It'll be nice. Like the history of the standing Stones, because we've seen, yeah, we've seen what Craig Le Dune.

29:17 We've seen the ones that were in Jamaica. What was that? A bundle way we've seen Ocracoke and then we've seen these right here and these don't even exist in the the current time so yeah, that's only four and that's what England, I mean Scotland, North Carolina or was what was Ocracoke and yeah, Ocracoke was in North Carolina and then in Jamaica and then this is another one in Scotland so. I thought there was another one in the the US. I the only one that I know of right now is just Ocracoke. That's the one that Brianna and Rodger.

30:00 And Wendigo went through two. I thought he came from up north. You know, that's a good question. He came from a different one. Because they did get separated. Otter Tooth I think came through Ocracoke. But yeah, Wendigo Donner. And then he said they were what? There were five of them all together and none of them came through together or or it could have been that he came through in a different year. Right, but I thought it was a different location. I don't know, but I, I don't recall him mentioning where he came through. But yeah, the IT would be interesting.

30:40 Look, maybe that's what Rodger needs to write a book on when he finally gets back. Instead of talking about how to go through the stones, because we already see what kind of trouble you got into for that, maybe you can just write a book about the standing stones and about maybe not the magical part of it and going through the stones. But yeah, he went through the one in North Carolina. Ocracoke OK, OK. So yeah, because I think that's the one that that's the one that Roger passed on his way to the Mohawk. I think that one was no, no, you're right. That was a different one.

31:25 That wasn't Aquacoke. I don't think because the one the standing stones are Aquacoke, they got to it via boat, remember, And then when Rodger and Brianna were going through within, they took a horse carriage the whole way. So I don't know now. Now I feel like I have to go back and look just to be sure. Yeah, and I'm just trying to search it up. Yeah, but Jamie Fraser in a uniform. Oh, that was nice. I I loved it when she was like, well at least it's the right color this time. I love it.

32:13 Yeah. But even with this, yeah, I'm kind of with you, especially now that you are a general Jamie, you have a little more, you have a few more resources at at hand. I need you to go find your friend. Y'all can fight, be upset with each other. Don't speak to each other after that please. I do. I I need you to find him to make sure he's all right. Yeah, make sure they I do. That's the one thing. That's the one thing that like really upset me in this episode, like just the the disregard. It seemed like disregard. I know he cares but it just seemed like disregard. I think he's just trying to hold on to that anger because I mean it.

32:57 I know he just seemed like he came back a little different, that's all. And I understand he, he is dealing with a trauma and stuff, you know, his brother, best friend really just died to be honest with you. So I, I, I, I get it, but I need him to kind of. Well, I mean and then you care about others that you were presumed dead. You find out that your wife married your best friend and not only married him, but also slept with him. And then your son finds out that you or his dad on top of all that. So he's dealing with a lot. I get it. I think The thing is he's gonna have to face that what he did to John really was not warranted. And it's it's gonna make him look at himself, I think, in a different light as well.

33:51 And I think he's just trying to avoid that because again, this is this is a guy who is for all intents and purposes, this is your best friend. This is a man who has never disrespected you. Even with him having feelings for you, he's never crossed that line. Yeah, he has never. Been disrespectful. He's never approached Claire in a less than respectful way. Even when him and Claire were kind of bumping heads, there was still a little bit of respect there because he knew how much Jamie loved Claire. So at, yeah, at some point, Jamie's going to have to sit there and reevaluate his behavior and the things that he's done and be like, OK, you know what? I might have overreacted just a little bit. And then he may not like the person that he sees when he does that, but just go ahead, do it.

34:45 Get it over with. Go get your friend back. And then you need to go figure out where the hell your son is 'cause we don't see William at all in this episode. Right, like you know, find out where he is so you can see how he feels. Help him along here. Yeah, 'cause the last time you saw him, you kind of threatened him. Like that is correct. This mess. Correct. And then we'll deal with all this other stuff later. So, but OK, so Ian has his happiness, are you? Happy. Yeah, yeah, I am happy. I'm happy. And I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very happy. For me.

35:27 It was very sweet. And I'm I'm more happy that she took that hairpiece off. When she took her hair that I said, oh, Michelle is going to be so. Happy because and then I was smiling because he basically said, oh, right. And then, you know, he got to feel that. Oh, you got a butt? That is so funny because she was like, you don't really have a butt, but I like it, yeah. Yeah, OK. And it was so funny 'cause when, when Ian was trying to get, when he was getting the advice from Jamie and they were talking about, you know, how he should be with her and stuff and he should be gentle and blah, blah, blah. And then Rachel was there. She was like, come take this off me husband, I'm ready to go. I.

36:08 Was like, yeah, OK, look at that conversation. I like that conversation too, 'cause, you know, Jane was like, yeah, it was my first time. Well, the the the Auntie Claire take the Auntie Claire was just with you. God knows. And I love the fact that he brought up Dougal and Rupert and Angus. Yeah, because that I remember that episode so well. And they were telling him all this stuff and he's just looking at them like, and Ian was like, so was their advice. Good God, No, no, no, but it it was a very sweet episode. Now I will say this. So they have made one major change to the show that is is a change from the books.

36:59 And that is the fact that, and I can say this now that Jenny is not in the States because in the books, you know, when they had that conversation, when in the show where Jamie was like, well, you can come to America with me and she says no. And the opposite. She asked Jamie. She said, well, there's nothing keeping me here at Lally Brock now. She was like Michael and his wife are now, you know, they're layered so or or not Michael, I think it was young Jamie. She said they're in charge now. I have no place here. I've never, I've never left Lolly Brock. I want to go to the States with you. So Jenny actually comes to the States with Jamie. And eventually when all this stuff, you know, it's over, she's there.

37:42 She's in a lot of the stuff, you know. So she, she's a big part of the story. So the fact that she's not here now, I'm just kind of, I'm a little sad about that. Oh, yeah. Because in the books, you get to see Ian kind of build this relationship with his mother. And then of course, he he gets married to Rachel. So Rachel also gets to build the relationship with her. And, you know, she gets to learn about Brianna. She finds out about William. And it's just, you know, she adds, she adds a lot of humor and fun to the Ridge and to where I, I forget where they are now, Philadelphia. And, you know, just her presence is just better. So the fact that she's not in the show, I'm a little sad about that.

38:27 But I'm hoping maybe at some point she will have decided to come over and she'll still be included, especially because it seems like they are starting to bring people into into the show that I thought wasn't going to be in there. Like, you know, we saw in the last episode they brought Jane into the show. And I wasn't sure if they were going to do that this late because I think he encounters her a little bit earlier in the storyline. But yeah, so hopefully we'll basically. If we try to fire William, that's where he at you with Jane. He might be. Sleeping for real. I mean for real like he's sleeping and she's sleeping and they even and talking.

39:13 And she she gonna be mad about sleeping, but she gonna, Yeah. If he's paying her to sleep. Yeah. Yeah. But OK. We have any final thoughts about this episode? I think we got some good stuff out this episode. We just need Jamie to get his shit together. That's it. And so I'm telling you right now, 'cause I know you watching. I haven't watched it. Jamie better go find his friend. I swear if he didn't find his friend or even ask some questions about his. Friend, you gonna have something to say about it? I'm gonna have something to say. I still love him, but he better inquire about his friend. He better go get his.

39:56 Friend, I'm OK with him not knowing William 'cause you know he had to let him go like a butterfly. Let him go. He will come back when it's time for him to actually talk. But you beat your friend to a bloody Pope. Yeah, Dizzle told you he looked horrible. Yep, he was in a bad state. Bad state. Broken eye socket. Broken eye socket. Do you know how hard you have to hit somebody to break their eye socket? Do we? So I need you to. So I'm just telling you before I watch it, he better ask questions and try to find his friend. I'm not going to say anything. That's all I got to say.

40:40 And he better not be low grade, just pops up at the house. No, you better be asking somebody or go get him. You said he better take some some some measured steps to in that direction. Right. Yeah, attempt to, you know, sometime because he just seemed like he chilling. So sometime today, Jamie, sometime today. Well, like I said, he he has his, he has his uniform. Now he can start making some inquiries, especially since he knows that Lord John Gray was prisoner in a militia camp. Now he can start asking about that. Yeah.

41:25 Yeah, so we will see how that goes and and we'll see if Michelle has valid reasons to fuss at Jamie in the next episode. But for now, that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media, on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid. You can chat with us on our Discord channel. You can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening. We'll be joining the conversation next time.