Outlander S7E15 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #330

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Michelle, and we are
discussing the penultimate

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Season 7 episode for Outlander
Episode 15, Written in my own

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heart's blood.
Yay.

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No, I don't know if we're gonna
say yay to that.

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We're gonna say yay.
We're gonna say yay.

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Did you enjoy the episode?
Is it?

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Yeah, 'cause my feelings with
Jamie's a tad bit better.

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OK OK, so so here's I I have
forgiven him.

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OK, so here's The funny thing
about that title.

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OK, so I've read the book.
I knew what was coming.

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As soon as I saw the title of
the episode, I was like, oh,

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this is that episode.
I don't know why it took me to

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seeing the title of the episode
before it clicked to me that

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they were being very literal
about written in my own Heart's

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blood.
Because the same thing happens

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in the books with Claire and
Jamie.

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And what happens towards the end
with Claire getting shot?

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Jamie quit in his Commission by
writing on Whelan's back.

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I quit in Claire's blood.
Who's like Oh my God that just

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clicked.
He wrote it in Claire's blood,

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his own hearts blood.
I was like, I feel so dumb.

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But then I started looking
online and there were other

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people who have read the books
way before I did who also were

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like, wait, I just made that
connection.

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So I was like, OK, I don't feel
so dumb now, but I mean, I was

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waiting for you to watch this
episode.

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I said OK.
But and see, The thing is what?

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OK, so last week you had said
did you see any spoilers?

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And I said, OK, I have only seen
like in passing YouTube like

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pictures.
And you're like, yeah, 'cause

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there's somebody on there where
it's not the truth.

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And I was like, OK, so I did see
one, but I was like, Oh yeah,

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whatever.
And you say it wasn't true.

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So then I wasn't expecting her
to be shot because that's what

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their little screenshot was.
Oh, Claire's been shot.

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And I'm like, no, she hadn't
been shot.

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I don't.
Whatever.

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And then you said don't believe
it.

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And then I was like, OK, so she
really hadn't been shot, so I

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wasn't.
Prepared for literally a

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somebody had done a graphic of a
tombstone with Claire Fraser and

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it said RIP and it says Claire
Claire from Outlander dies.

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I was like.
Oh no, I don't see that. 1

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Because that's some bullshit if
ever I saw it.

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Like first of all, anybody who
pays attention to this show pays

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attention to the marketing of
this show, pays attention to

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the, you know, the interviews
and everything.

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We already know Claire ain't
dead.

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Just like when we thought Jamie
was gone, we were like they have

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a whole other season of
Outlander to film.

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There is no you cannot do a
Outlander show without Claire

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and Jamie.
It's literally their.

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Story correct.
And if you were?

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Claire, get shot.
Yeah, 'cause if you were reading

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the books, I can truly
understand because there was no

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other book afterwards yet, so
you don't really know what is

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happening.
But for the spot that I'm in, I

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know that Jamie's not going to
die and I know Claire's not

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going to die, which also bothers
me.

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And watching it because I feel
like I am putting in all of this

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emotion for something.
I know it's not going to happen

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yet.
Now if this was next season and

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she got shot, I'll be like oh,
this is what I'm talking about.

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Hanukkah just want to talk about
what he gonna do.

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They gonna die together that but
I'm saying it.

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But being so early on, I'm like
oh OK, she's shot.

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She about to operate on herself.
That's what I text you.

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She been operating on herself.
She know what to do.

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She seemed like it, didn't she?
Because she was like, OK, so the

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bullet might be in the liver.
If that's the case, I'm going to

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go into shock and that will kill
me, blah, blah blah.

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That useless ass Doctor Who was
like, oh, there's nothing I can

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do.
We know there's nothing you can

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do.
She told you you were

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incompetent, like from the
beginning of the episode.

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So we already knew.
But Even so, when I said that,

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Doctor pissed me off.
But he was actually a little bit

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better here than he was in the
book because in the book, he was

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a thorough asshole throwing
through.

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Like, I don't even think in the
book he gave her that respect

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that he did in the show once he
realized when he was like, you

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know, you're a good surgeon,
Doctor Fraser.

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I don't remember him doing that
at all.

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I could be mistaken.
Like I said, I've only read that

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book once and I was trying to
rushing through it.

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But he was when I say, oh, my
God, I was like, can you get

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shot, please, Sir?
Yeah.

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Because you.
First of all, we talk about the

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fact that, you know, Claire
doesn't get respect.

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She doesn't get the proper
respect for her skill from the

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people who are quote, UN quote,
more learned than she is because

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and like she said in this
episode, you think that there's

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no way that a woman could do
this?

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And you don't know of any
colleges that would allow the

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fairest sex to come in, even
with Denny sitting there

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extolling her virtues.
As far as her being a surgeon,

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she's one of the best surgeons
I've I've ever seen.

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I've learned so much from her.
And then when the doctor even

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says, well, what are your
credentials?

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He was like, excuse me, I
studied here with this person.

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So when I looked it up, the
person that he says is his

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cousin that he apprenticed under
is actually like, he is actually

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a historical figure.
He's like well known in

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medicine.
And so I was like, oh, I like

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the way that they tied this
together.

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But even that wasn't enough for
Doctor Lakey.

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And I was like, you know what?
You just need to go.

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Why?
Why are you even here?

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You're not.
That man made me so.

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He he, he was useless.
Very much.

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So he was, he was useless, but
very much yeah.

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So I so I wasn't expecting the
'cause we get right.

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So I wasn't expecting the shot
at all.

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But when it was getting close to
it and then those guys were

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irritating each other, I'm like,
oh hell, somebody about to get

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shot.
And I love the way that.

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They did the way that they did
the camera work.

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Yeah, the framing of it you.
See Jamie's face, you see

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Claire's face.
And I again, I don't understand

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why Sam Hewin does not get more
accolades for his acting than

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than he does.
Because just even the, the

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subtle movement when the camera
pans to his face, he does this

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thing where he looks and his
face does a quick double take.

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It's almost like a jerk, as if
he were the one who got shot.

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And then the facial, the facial
expression is like, at first you

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think, Oh my God, he got shot.
But then the way his face

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changes, it's like, even if you
didn't know that Claire was the

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one that got shot, you would
know it by looking at his face

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because his face changes from a
realization of oh shit, I got

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shot to oh shit, she got shot.
And it's very is very subtle,

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but it's very noticeable.
And it's just one of the things

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that I love about his acting as
this character because you can

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tell if it was him, he probably
wouldn't care.

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As as Claire said in this
episode, he would sacrifice his

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life, you know, for his man, for
his soldiers, for the cause,

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sacrificing Claire that is not
on the menu and just his

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emotion.
Sorry about the camera movement.

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Apollo is walking behind my
laptop.

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But just the the emotion once he
realized that Claire is shot

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when he's trying to keep her
from bleeding out, the

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conversation that he he's having
with Lieutenant Bixby and then

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with Doctor Lakey, when Doctor
Lakey says there's nothing more

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I can do for her, but there are
other people I can help.

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And he basically is about to
abandon Claire.

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So I think part of that was, I
really think 1, he wasn't able

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to do anything.
There wasn't anything.

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No, there wasn't anything.
He didn't know how to do

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anything enough.
I also kind of sort of feel like

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a little bit of that was ego was
I told you to come inside, I

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told you to leave, I told you
would get hurt and you didn't

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listen.
Now this is it.

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I I just kind of feel like that
was probably up there.

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It's it's both bleeding moment.
Yeah, it's both.

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I mean, both as in I told you to
bring your ass inside the

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church, right?
And two, this and now you're

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shot and I don't know what to
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Have no idea.
Like he has no idea.

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Was was gone.
Denny left with the rest of them

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when they evacuated.
So yeah, it was his reaction to

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all of that.
And then, of course, we find out

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kind of right before Claire gets
shot that of course, you know,

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battle of my mouth.
We we've heard of this and

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history.
We've learned of it.

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Of course they talk about it in
Hamilton, which we referenced

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last week.
So of course, during the battle,

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General Lee gets kind of afraid,
he gets spooked, whatever.

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So he calls for a retreat of
their men while Washington is

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telling them to press on.
So this happens, of course, in

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the battle.
Bigsby comes back and tells

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Claire about it.
And so General Lee in this one

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sends Wheeling, which is one of
the young soldiers under Jamie's

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command, to tell Jamie to come
attend to him.

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And Jamie is like, no, I'm not
going.

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And Wheeling is like, but you
have to come.

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You're being commanded.
Jamie was like, what?

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What part of what's coming out
of my mouth?

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Did you not?
Understand I'm not leaving her.

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No.
Like, do you not understand the

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words that are coming out of my
mouth and not leaving her?

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And they're like, you can get in
trouble.

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You can be, you know, you can be
shot for a traitor.

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I don't give a fuck.
Do you not see me holding my

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wife's insides in right now?
So what he tells Whelan to do is

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to come around.
He's like, take off your shirt,

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take off your clothes.
And at that point?

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Right.
And I didn't know what was

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happening.
Like, are we switching clothes?

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You can't pretend.
No.

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Everyone knows what you look
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I didn't get what?
Where it was going.

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Yeah, I was thinking, OK, we're
gonna switch clothes.

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He's about to bloody up close so
you can see I can't come.

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I wasn't expecting what he was
gonna do.

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Yeah, OK.
Which was to write in Claire's

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blood on Whelan's back, Sir, I
quit Jay Fraser.

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And when Whelan turned around,
he was like, show that to

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General Lee.
He says, Sir, he's in a foul

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mood.
I can't.

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He was like, show it to him.
I was like, you think General

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Lee is in a foul mood now just
because he got shown his ass?

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Try Jamie in a foul mood.
Right, that's what you know.

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You shouldn't even just go and
tell him his wife is literally

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dying in his arms.
They don't.

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But see, that's the thing, they
wouldn't care.

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I know, but once you see the
blood, you be like, he ain't

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coming 'cause his wife is
literally that's his, that's her

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blood.
Can you wash it off?

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Please, right, right.
But I'm so you see all the

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emotion from him and that and
when when Doctor Likey leaves,

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what did he say?
I hope that.

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What did he say?
I hope your I hope your soul

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burns in hell and the devil
soughts them first or something

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like that.
I was like, oh God damn, he real

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mad.
Then he was like you.

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I was like, OK, that emotion,
like you get it in the book, but

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there's no way you can
translate.

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Like you can't get that from the
written word.

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You have to see it in the the
performance.

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And he was so good in this, like
Claire's on the table dying, and

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she was like, you called him a
whore.

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Because you sitting there like
I'm dying, but this shit funny

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right here, you just call him,
right?

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Oh, OK, OK.
Yeah.

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But you know, I'm always going
to bring this up now.

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I'm hoping that afterwards,
because Claire's going to be

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alive, I'm hoping that
afterwards, Jamie, be like, you

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know what?
This is what Claire felt lower

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John Gray felt and and being.
People have the benefit of a

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body.
No.

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So.
Right.

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So maybe you can, you know, I
don't know.

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I know be a little bit better,
but OK.

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Yeah.
But I forgave him for this

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because he he was.
That had to be a lot.

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You understand what I'm saying?
Like, it's different.

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It's.
I'm sorry.

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It's gonna still be different.
It's different when someone

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tells you, OK, your spouse is
dead, OK, we don't have a body.

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They're just dead.
Then there he, he came through.

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And then, yeah, so you're like,
oh, my gosh, they're dead.

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I'm heartbroken, of course.
But then it's different than

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what she went through where?
Where he went through where she

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is dying in your arms and you
can't do anything about it at

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this point.
You would like man, she should

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have gave me some surgery
lessons.

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To the top I.
Don't.

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Think he would have been.
I know he wouldn't be, I'm just

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making that joke.
But I get the point.

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But see someone dying in your
arms, Yeah, both of them is

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tragic, but the immediacy of I'm
not sure if she's gonna live or

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die and seem like nobody around
me is competent at this point

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or.
Cares.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But thankfully, I would say

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this, Lieutenant Bixby, that's
family now, 'cause when I say he

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did not leave Claire and Jamie's
side, like from the moment he

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turned around and saw them on
the ground and realized what

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happened, he was there.
He was like, OK, what you need,

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You need me to do this.
You need me to do that, OK?

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Like, even when Jamie was
writing the resignation letter

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on Whelan's back, Bixby was the
one that was there holding on to

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Claire, trying to make sure that
she didn't bleed out.

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Bixby, you family now 'cause
when I say if, I don't think, I

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think if it wasn't for him, the
situation might have gone a lot

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more.
It might have been more chaotic.

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Yeah, it would.
Jamie.

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Jamie had something.
Not only was he focused on

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Claire, but he had something to
also kind of make him focus.

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Because in order for Bixby to
know what it is you need for him

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to do, you have to focus long
enough to tell him.

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And you know, when Claire,
before she passes out or

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whatever she says, Denzel, I
need Denzel.

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Jame is like, OK, I need you to
go find him.

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Bixby takes off, doesn't.
Question.

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Doesn't say nothing, doesn't
hesitate.

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I need you to go find Denzel
Hunter.

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Sure.
And he comes back with Denzel

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and Rachel.
And, you know, Denzel had to sit

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there and look at that situation
and.

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You're like, OK.
Right.

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Like OK so the greatest surgeon
that I know is sitting on this

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table.
Like he literally just said that

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not too long ago.
What am I supposed to do?

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How am I supposed to do this?
How do I not fuck this up?

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Because at this point, they are
family.

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Now they are family.
And you know that he's sitting

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there and he's thinking like, Oh
my God, how do I fix this?

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How do I fix this?
But I mean, I have all

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confidence in Denzel because
because he learned from he.

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Yeah, he learned from her.
So I, I that's why I was like,

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OK, he's back.
He'll figure it, you know what

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I'm saying?
He'll figure it out.

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And what helped was Lafayette
having those nasty cheeses

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delivered.
Yes, because Claire was like,

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wait, is Roquefort in there?
She said the, you know, the

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cheese is a mold.
You can use that to make a

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poultice for after, I guess,
stave off any infection or

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whatever.
You know what, we like the

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marquee.
We love him because he was like,

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oh, for Madam Frazier.
Yes, let me send this.

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So I, I, I love that part, but
it was even before all of this

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happened.
One of the things about

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Outlander, I know we have some
issues with Jamie and the way

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that he is behaving towards Lord
John and just.

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The.
General behavior, but going back

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to the beginning of the episode,
1 of the things that Outlander

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has always done best is the
romance, whether it be, you

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know, very explicit love scenes
or if it even if it's just

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subtle conversation.
And I think the conversation

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that we see Jamie have with
Claire in the beginning when

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he's telling her about how her
love heals him, how it takes

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away all of his pains, all of
his scars and everything.

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And then you see the
conversation that's the

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flashback for them to the night
before them sitting up under the

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stars talking about how to sort
of like Destiny and and about

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war and Claire saying something
feels different this time.

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Yeah.
It is one of those things where

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even without all of the other
stuff, this is the core of who

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Jamie and Claire are.
This is what Draw drew us all

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into the show.
Their romance, their love for

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each other.
It's it's what what endures

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through all of the chaos.
And I mean, we've talked about

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it before.
Their life is so chaotic.

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And even when they reunited,
Claire was like, I just don't

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know if we belong together
because everything's always

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happen when we get together.
And that is true.

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But you also see them push
through it and it's like they

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always come out stronger for it.
And we know that that's going to

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be the case here too.
Like whatever whatever tension

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they may have had over this
whole Lord John thing, this

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needs to be.
Over.

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It ends on this table.
It ends on this table because,

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because I know in Jamie's mind,
Jamie is like, you know what?

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What the fuck am I mad for?
She's still here.

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She still loves me.
We're we're still.

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Whole.
You know, anything that comes

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before that, whatever, it's not
going to be anything.

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And I understand how she must
have felt, right?

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And I understand how she must
have felt.

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And like I said, with with you
being lost at sea, there is no

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closure.
If that was the case, what would

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have happened if you would have
never made it back or if you it

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had taken more than a few
months, it could have been a

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year, and Jamie would have
showed up.

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So yeah, I, I really think that
this puts things into

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perspective for him.
And again, it's just one of the

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things that Outlander does so
well.

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Everything always comes back to
Jamie and Claire.

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And you see it illustrated very
beautifully in this episode.

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And I was just like, OK, if this
doesn't melt Michelle's heart

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and be like, OK, you know what?
We're OK.

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We can still.
I mean, I'm I'm OK with him, but

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I'm still hoping that he fixed
his relationship.

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Lord John to Grant.
Cause Lord John doesn't save

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William, like in a big way.
Yeah, he has.

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I'm just saying I'm just hoping
that it it does, yeah 'cause if

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not then I'll be mad again next
week.

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Yeah.
No, they'll be, they've been

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saved this week.
They'll be fine.

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Because look, Lord John and Ian
were able to go save William, so

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I feel like that would pardon
Lord John and Jamie's eyes.

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But now we got to work on
William 'cause now that we is

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safe, he is letting the emotions
fly.

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And you know what?
It's OK though.

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It is 'cause I'm sorry, I have
to say he handed Lord John his

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ass and he was very, he was very
right to do so.

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He was like, so you raised me to
believe that an honorable man

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was like of the being an
honorable man was of the utmost

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importance.
You raised me to, to believe

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that, you know, a person who
lies is untrustworthy and all

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this other stuff.
And Lord John is just looking at

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him is like stick the knife in,
stick the knife in, stick the

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knife in.
I was just like, yeah, I don't

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know if this is the time or
place to have this conversation

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because I feel like William
could have had a lot more to

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say.
And, you know, having it, having

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this conversation the way that
they did just kind of quick and

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and short, like he allowed
William to get some of that

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anger out.
But yeah, no, they need to have

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a proper sit down talk because.
Yeah, they do.

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William has a lot of right to
feel the way that he does.

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And even when Lord John is
chastising him and he was like

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William.
He was like William who?

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Ransom Ellesmere Fraser, like
who am I was, What is my name?

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Who who am I at my core?
And I love that Lord John just

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tells me you're my son.
And William kind of startles and

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he was like, you're my.
Son.

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What your name is I don't give a
fuck.

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Right, like Boo infancy to now,
right?

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You're my kid.
I'm confused.

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And then and then the person
that you would have named is a

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honorable man and it's
fantastic.

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Yeah.
And then I want William to turn

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around and say only because
you're in love with him.

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But no.
I don't even think William sees

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that at this.
Point No, he doesn't, but it was

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nice because I was just thinking
my head.

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He turned around and say that
because the way John was talking

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about, he'd be like, Oh, you
like him?

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Yeah, yeah, I I think he would,
but one would.

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Not he's not on that page.
He's too heated too.

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I think also he's a little too
naive.

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He is.
He doesn't know that about his

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dad anyway, so that doesn't it,
no.

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And he probably doesn't have a
lot of experience seeing that

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because of course, back then
it's it's illegal.

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So it's not like you would see
two men prancing around anyway.

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So I just don't think that's in
his mind.

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But it is interesting because,
you know, we had the

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conversation last episode about
his relationship with Jane and

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how I feel like she would be
good for him because she's going

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to make him look at things
differently than the way his

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world.
View has been since birth, like

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she's going to challenge him
looking at people who are quote

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UN quote beneath him and just
the Grays of things 'cause he's

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so black and white that he'll
start seeing that there's so

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many different shades of stuff,
so you can't just take it as it

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right or wrong.
Yeah, because he raised you to

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be.
Right, He raised you to be

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honorable, but there are some
things you just not going to

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walk around and be telling
truths to.

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That's not necessary.
Just like the whole thing when

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he said I'm never, you know,
never is a powerful word.

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Like don't ever say you would
never do something because what

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was it in the last episode when
we had the flashback with Hal

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and Lord John, Hal told John, he
said, please promise me that you

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will never give in to the idea
of American independency.

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Lord John said never.
And then in the next scene we

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see him taking the oath of the
rebels because he's trying to

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stay alive and he he's in a camp
full of enemies.

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So I think with this, you know,
even though William is sitting

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there and he again, he's focused
on the fact that James Fraser is

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a traitor, he, you know, he went
against King Country.

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I would never go against King
Country.

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And that's when Laura Johns says
never was a powerful word.

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Yeah, that's not underestimated.
There's different things you may

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have to do for the situation and
you.

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And luckily, Jane is going to
teach him that when he rescues

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her.
Yeah, but I mean, but even

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before that, just, I hope he
really thinks about what Lord

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John says about Jamie because he
was like, he's an honorable man.

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He's a fine swords man.
He's this, he's that.

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And yes, it does sound like you
can tell he's in love with him

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if you're looking at those
signs.

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But even if not.
He just has A and not

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necessarily I was joking about
respect for him, but he has a

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deep, he has a deep connection
and deep feelings for him.

449
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,800
Yeah, and he was like, look,
that is, and he has said this

450
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,760
before.
That is my friend.

451
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:45,240
Like if you didn't, if you don't
understand the depth of feeling

452
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,320
that he has for Jamie as a
friend, just as a friend, let's

453
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,440
take all the other stuff out of
it.

454
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:58,720
Just as a friend.
This man married his wife, a

455
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,440
rebel, in order to keep her from
being killed and told you that

456
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,800
that was the that was the the
most bidding tribute he could

457
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,800
give to his friend was to save
the wife that he loved so much.

458
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,080
Dude, read the room.
But again, William is young,

459
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,360
he's naive.
He, he has a very limited

460
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:24,680
worldview about all these types
of things because he's grown up

461
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,920
sheltered, He's grown up
privileged.

462
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,200
So he's got to come out of that.
And I, I think this situation

463
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,200
and then now the situation with
Jane, because while he was off

464
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,640
being kidnapped and, and, you
know, kept prisoner, Jane has

465
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,040
gotten in trouble because one of
the soldiers who recognized her

466
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,080
from the brothel, saw her in the
camp, realized that she was the

467
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,960
reason that Harkness is dead and
arrested her and took her for

468
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,120
whatever they're going to do.
I don't know if they're going to

469
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:01,160
do a trial, but you know, when
Fanny comes to him and tells him

470
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,000
what happens, she asks the
question.

471
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,840
She's like, are they going to
hang her?

472
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,000
And William is like, oh, shit,
no, they're not going to hang

473
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,280
her.
But I mean, they very well

474
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,760
could.
She killed, she killed an

475
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,520
officer.
Very.

476
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,640
Much so again, that's going to
be something that is going to

477
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:25,120
challenge William's viewpoint
because I know well, did you,

478
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,120
because did you watch the the
promo for the next episode?

479
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:34,560
No, I have not.
OK, so I did see a picture

480
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,120
though.
So would you see a picture of?

481
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Just her in the bed and Lord
John Gray sitting there and

482
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,000
Jamie behind him, I think it
was.

483
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,800
Oh, Claire.
OK, Yeah, OK.

484
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,400
No.
So that was.

485
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,120
That's the only the only
patient.

486
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,400
OK, so I think that was because
it was in the article or?

487
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,880
Something OK, so I'll just say
this is not really spoilery.

488
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,360
William does go to Lord John and
says, hey, I need your help.

489
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,480
So I'm guessing he's going to go
to his father to see if he can

490
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,960
help get Jane out because of
course Lord John is a decorator

491
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,360
officer.
He kind of has some pull, but I

492
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,480
think what's going to happen
with that is William is going to

493
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:27,520
be reminded of his viewpoints
towards being privileged and the

494
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,600
people who are quote UN quote
beneath him.

495
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,280
Because I don't think Lord John
is going to help because of what

496
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,400
the situation is.
She, one, she's a whore.

497
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,520
Two, she committed murder, cold
blooded murder.

498
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,320
You know, even though she was
justified in our eyes, in the

499
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,040
British Army's eyes, she's not
because how dare you kill a man

500
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,280
for trying to do what he paid
for?

501
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,120
That's the way they're going to
look at it and.

502
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Yeah, they are.
I think Lord John is probably at

503
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,160
this point going to be thinking
about their reputation like, OK,

504
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,840
so are we really going to try to
challenge the British Army over

505
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:17,360
quote again, a whore?
And I don't think I don't think

506
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,200
it would be Lord John not
wanting to help just because of

507
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,680
that.
But he is the he is the one in

508
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,400
all of this that has to think
about appearances.

509
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,160
He has to think about the
optics.

510
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,440
And just like when he went to
talk to his nephew and Mercy and

511
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,680
he told them why they couldn't
get married and he gave his

512
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,720
reasonings to Claire, he has to
think about the way certain

513
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,920
things will look.
Of course, you know, he kind of

514
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,480
threw that to the side with his
whole marriage to Claire.

515
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,680
But maybe that situation as
well, including the consequences

516
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,320
of it with what happened with
Jamie, is making him think like,

517
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,360
OK, you know what?
No, we got to be on the straight

518
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,160
and narrow with this.
This is how we need to react.

519
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,480
This is what we need to do.
So I think William is going to

520
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:10,160
find out in a very harsh way
that having those kind of

521
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,560
principles is not, again, it's
it's not a black and white

522
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,920
thing.
There are those Shades of Grey.

523
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,720
And he's going to have to, I
think, either figure out

524
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,040
something else or he's going to
have to go to maybe Ian or maybe

525
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,960
even Jamie, because Jamie and
Ian are the two people who will

526
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,640
probably be like, oh, she's in
trouble, you care about her.

527
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,920
OK, let's go.
And they'll they'll probably do

528
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,760
it without hesitation.
They won't ask questions.

529
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,200
They won't care that she's a
whore or if she was a lady of

530
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,840
the they, they wouldn't care.
All they're going to care about

531
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,000
is William cares about her.
She needs to be rescued.

532
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,720
OK, let's go.
Yeah, So do she's important,

533
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,360
right?
So he's about to have his world

534
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,120
challenged in in quite a few
ways.

535
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,840
And let's just hope it has the
results that that we need.

536
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,160
We need him to rescue Jane and
bring her back to her sister.

537
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:14,040
We need him to kind of rearrange
his thoughts or kind of just

538
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,920
just open his mind a little bit
and say, you know what, maybe

539
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,560
this guy is not as bad as I
think because.

540
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,920
Right, because.
He's all about it.

541
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,760
You.
You loved him.

542
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,320
Once right and it's all the
things that you were raised that

543
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,160
a man should be.
That's why this understanding

544
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,480
that things is like a never
situation or it's either this

545
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,600
way or that way, just the
circumstances of and it was

546
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,640
nothing wrong with your mom or
what happened like the

547
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,880
circumstance of your birth.
That's what they needed to do

548
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,840
and they did the right thing.
And no, he shouldn't have told

549
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,240
you.
Maybe later in life, but not

550
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,800
growing up because that could
have changed things.

551
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,880
You could have been in danger.
So just understand they did what

552
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,400
was right and they loved you.
Everyone loved you.

553
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,920
Some people don't get that.
Yeah, Jane is she's loving her

554
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,440
sister, but they didn't have
that.

555
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,840
So, dude, get yourself together.
It's all right.

556
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,400
He he he has time.
We hope.

557
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,960
'Cause we don't, 'cause we don't
know what the we don't know what

558
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,280
the time frame is like.
We don't know how long it takes

559
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,200
to get from the British camp to
where they were holding him and

560
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,080
how long it took to get back.
We don't know how long Jane has

561
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,040
been gone.
So it's just kind of he has

562
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,520
time, but he really doesn't he
he is racing against the clock

563
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,600
now.
Because if if especially with

564
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,400
the way that they're going to
look at her as someone who is

565
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,440
not a noteworthy person killing
a British officer, they're going

566
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,120
to look to make an example of
her.

567
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,520
You know, especially if you have
someone who's like like, we

568
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,200
don't even know who she's been
taken to.

569
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,320
But if you have like Captain
Richardson and we already know

570
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,640
what Captain Richardson is and
what he's trying to do, if he

571
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,840
realizes that this is someone
that William Kill cares for, and

572
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,880
then he finds out that William
is not in fact dead at this

573
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,360
point, he may use Jane, kill
Jane just to try to get that

574
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,920
advantage against William and
Lord John, Greg again.

575
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,719
And that is something we just,
we really don't need her to be

576
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,000
made upon.
She's gone through enough in her

577
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:33,320
life.
So I hope they rescue her really

578
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:40,719
soon and we can look, we need
Claire to to get well, we need

579
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,719
Jane to be rescued, and we need
Jamie and Lord John to just kiss

580
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,679
and make up and be done with it.
Yeah, no shit going on with

581
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,480
right?
So let's move on.

582
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:06,000
I want a Roger and Buck show.
I want to see them in a spin off

583
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,840
or something.
They can I I don't care when I

584
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:15,600
say I love this bromance.
I love it.

585
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,880
I.
But because it's like he's

586
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:25,040
saying, like, you're my son, you
know?

587
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,080
Like, aren't you all my sons?
Like right, right.

588
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,920
And and isn't it?
But it is true.

589
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,400
I mean, just I'm not going to be
able to get it back to my other

590
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,760
son.
But you are my son that I'm

591
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,880
currently with who didn't help
my other son.

592
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,080
And I'm here for this.
Yeah, but I'm here to help.

593
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,760
I thought that was like the best
thing ever, though, when he said

594
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,720
that.
I loved it.

595
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,280
I loved it.
I was just like.

596
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,040
Can we?
Keep.

597
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,040
But.
But I did feel him when he was

598
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,560
like, well, you could have told
me.

599
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,880
You got to say something to your
parent.

600
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,920
Yeah, your dad maybe.
I want to say something about

601
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,120
mom and dad too.
I'm like, dude, that wasn't the

602
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,600
time it.
It wasn't, and they were.

603
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,920
Hooking up.
Question.

604
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,240
He was like, so your dad's a
traveler, you're a traveler,

605
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,040
your son's a traveler.
I'm a traveler.

606
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,760
He was like, so do you think my
parents are travelers?

607
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,800
And Roger was like, oh, so we're
about to have that conversation.

608
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,960
Not your dad.
I don't know about your dad, but

609
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,600
your mom is but your Mama.
And he was like.

610
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,760
Well, who's my mom?
Yeah, 'cause when Roger was

611
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,200
looking at him, he was like, oh,
come on now, it can't be any

612
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,400
worse than you telling me the
year I died, right Then when he

613
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,000
finds out it's gay.
Listen, and Dougal, I will say

614
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,720
this, I'm very glad of the
reaction that he had because he

615
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,680
was like, you let me sit there
and talk to her like an ignorant

616
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,680
fool.
Because in the books it's a

617
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,680
little more different because of
course in the books, you know,

618
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,480
you spend a little bit more time
with the characters because we

619
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,640
don't have the constraints of
trying to fit everything in a

620
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,120
one hour show.
So there's a lot of interactions

621
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,480
and background that we have not
seen on the show, not just with

622
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,760
Buck and any of the characters,
but just in general.

623
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,960
So in the books, there is a
little bit of a flirtation

624
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,560
between Galis and Buck.
And it's it's weird because of

625
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,600
course, Davis is a type.
She flirts with any attractive

626
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,840
man she sees.
Buck, of course, is flirting

627
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,920
with her because he doesn't know
that this is his mother.

628
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,960
And Rodgers just kind of
suddenly trying to tell him, no,

629
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,200
you don't want to mess with
that.

630
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,160
You don't want to mess with
that.

631
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,680
And yes, he tells, he tells Buck
about her history first,

632
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,600
thinking that's enough to deter
him.

633
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,680
But there is like, Buck has an
attraction to her and he can't

634
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,720
figure it out.
And it's just kind of it comes

635
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:57,200
across in the book like he might
have a sexual attraction towards

636
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,480
her, but of course he doesn't
know that's his mother.

637
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,160
So it would be weird to him to
do that.

638
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,640
So when the conversation finally
comes out and he learns that

639
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,240
that's his mother, there is a
bit of a push and pull between

640
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:18,080
Buck because he knows now in his
head that gave us is his mom,

641
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,800
but his body is still thinking
about her in another way.

642
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,400
And so I don't know how they're
gonna do it in the show, but in

643
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:33,120
the books, he and Roger, at some
point, they go their separate

644
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,160
ways.
Roger goes to continue on his

645
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:45,520
search, but Buck decides to stay
where he is because he if if I

646
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:51,680
read correctly there, there's
someone else who comes into play

647
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,720
here in the stories.
I don't know if they're going to

648
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,640
bring them in the show, so I'm
not going to spoil it, but this

649
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:05,240
person is in a kind of sort of
relationship with Galas, but he

650
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,000
kind of gets pushed to the side
because she also has an

651
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,840
interesting book.
So it comes across in the books

652
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,760
is very kind of incestuous, kind
of weird.

653
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,880
You don't know if they actually
hooked up, but the implication

654
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,440
is there that they might.
And I was just kind of like,

655
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,440
this is going to be so squeaky
if they do it on screen.

656
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,480
So the fact that he.
Had the kind of reaction that he

657
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,640
had.
I'm hoping they don't go in that

658
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,440
direction because that would
make me lose any kind of respect

659
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,400
that I've gained for Buck at
this time.

660
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,800
Like, OK, I understand.
She's an attractive woman, you

661
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,120
can say.
She has, but yeah, she is.

662
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,440
But she also has a strong aura
about it too, which I can get.

663
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:51,480
And the thing about it is it
it'll be different if they set

664
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,960
it up in the beginning when he
was super attracted to her.

665
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,040
And then now he's like, I'm so
conflicting feelings and stuff.

666
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,720
But now they didn't really show
that.

667
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:03,760
So then for him to know and he
wants to have a conversation

668
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,840
with his parents.
Don't turn it into something

669
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,080
sexual now.
Yeah, we don't need that.

670
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:13,280
We're good, Yeah.
And I and I also love what he

671
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,240
told to Roger because, you know,
one of the things that we always

672
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:22,280
talk about is them coming back
or them, you know, what are they

673
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,000
doing that's actually changing
the past or what's changing

674
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,880
history or any of that?
And Rodger is basically like,

675
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,320
yeah, so I probably shouldn't
have brought you with me because

676
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,640
because of all the stuff.
And Buck was like, but think

677
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,440
about it.
If your son hadn't have come

678
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,600
back, if we hadn't been looking
for your father, he said, think

679
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,600
about it.
My parents had not met before.

680
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,600
We were sitting in their house.
If we hadn't come back, would

681
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,360
they have ever met at all?
Would I be here and in, you

682
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,320
know, turn?
Would you be here?

683
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,800
Neither one of us would be here
if we hadn't come back to this

684
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,640
moment, if we hadn't have been
sitting in her house at that

685
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,000
moment, if you hadn't been
looking for your father.

686
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,440
So it's kind of like all these
things have a cause and.

687
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,880
Effect at but at the same.
Time.

688
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,640
We don't know, You know, I
always make this joke.

689
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,760
Which came first, the chicken or
the egg?

690
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,560
You know, did they come back in
time because they were looking

691
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,000
for Jim, or was Jeremiah sent
back in time for this event, for

692
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,560
this series of events to happen?
It's just kind of like there's

693
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,280
no way for you to know.
But what you do know is that if

694
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,920
Dougal and Galas had not met
right then and right there, but

695
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,600
may not have existed at all,
they wouldn't have gotten

696
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,280
together.
And granted, even though Buck

697
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:51,000
wasn't born until years later,
because this is what night 1737

698
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,720
or 1739?
Claire doesn't get there till

699
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:58,880
19401743.
So it's still a few years off.

700
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:05,000
But that meeting that put them
in each other's, you know, line

701
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,960
of sight.
So I think it's a very full

702
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,040
circle moment for them.
And again, like I said, I just,

703
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,640
I love that.
I love that dynamic.

704
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,000
And then when we find out what
happened with him and his his

705
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:27,000
wife, again, I don't know if
it's the way that they wrote the

706
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,720
story or wrote the dialogue.
But the way that he tells it at

707
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:37,320
first, when you listen to it and
he talks about her being

708
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,280
heartbroken over finding out
that the person that she loved

709
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,720
was messing around with someone
else.

710
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,440
And he goes to the barn and he
comforts her.

711
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:50,480
It almost comes across not very
romantic.

712
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,560
It comes across like, yeah,
well, she was there and she, you

713
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,120
know, she was worse for the
drink.

714
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,360
And I took it.
That's the way it comes across

715
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,520
like he took advantage of her.
And I was like, oh, please don't

716
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,200
do that because it sounds, it
sounds very creepy.

717
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,360
It sounds almost very rapey.
And I don't want to think that

718
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,520
this is the case.
I think, I think in the books,

719
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,520
again, going back to that, I
think she was the aggressor in

720
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,560
that particular situation
because she was upset because

721
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,720
she was pissed.
And I think she was like, what

722
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,560
if he can do that?
Then I can do this.

723
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,760
I wish they had shown that a
little bit more because in a

724
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,560
way, it kind of the way he he
told the story, it sounded like

725
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,040
he was just kind of creeping.
And then all of a sudden she's

726
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,360
pregnant.
I take her to America and it

727
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,320
just sounds very.
And and I realized this is

728
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,840
normal for that period of time,
but it's very controlling.

729
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,400
It sounds.
It does, yeah.

730
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,680
But in the beginning I was
feeling the same way.

731
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,360
I'm saying, oh, crap, you are
not going to say that you like

732
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,720
rape this woman.
I did.

733
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,880
And but then when as he kept
telling the story, I see where

734
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,120
he was saying it was his fault.
I think he was rude.

735
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,880
It did come across later that he
just knew who she really cared

736
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:07,400
about and he took more advantage
of the opportunity.

737
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,040
So like it sound like, yeah, he
did go with go to her and he's

738
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,560
been drinking, but she was like
open to it because of the

739
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,560
situation, even though he knew
she really did care for that

740
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,720
man.
But hey, I care for her.

741
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:24,920
So I'm gonna take take this
opportunity, right.

742
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,520
And he took the opportunity.
And then when they came with the

743
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,880
baby, he was like, oh, I still I
really still want her even

744
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,600
though I know truly that's not
who she wants to be with.

745
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,480
Yeah.
And that's how he did her

746
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,040
injustice.
So, but in the beginning,

747
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,640
though, in the slight beginning,
coming across like, did you, are

748
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,720
you about to say you raped her?
Especially when you started off

749
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,600
by saying I'm not a good man,
right?

750
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,600
I was like, so?
But then I realized, OK, you're

751
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,800
saying you're not a good man
because you knew she really

752
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,880
loved someone else and you
didn't let her be with that

753
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,200
person.
Right and not.

754
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,880
Until now and then pregnant.
You married her, and then

755
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,080
because of your insecurity over
who she loved, you took her away

756
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,280
from her country, took her to
North Carolina.

757
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,080
And I, I thought it was so
funny.

758
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,440
And I love the fact that when he
said after the troubles at

759
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,320
Alamance and they both kind of
tip their tip their drink, like,

760
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,800
OK, yeah.
Because those troubles were when

761
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:31,760
he got Rodger hung.
Right, And now you see really

762
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,880
where that came from because
he's always questioning, will

763
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,160
she go off with another man or
find the love of her life?

764
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,600
Like I'm a constant.
I'm not good enough for her

765
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,240
because that's I'm not who she
wants to be with.

766
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,800
So now Roger can see like, oh
man, you just been living in

767
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,800
basically fear and insecurity
about what's going to happen.

768
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,040
That's why he's like, I ain't
going back.

769
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,240
She probably with her her
original Boo right now.

770
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,480
Right after all these years and
after three children, really.

771
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,320
But, I mean, stranger things
happens.

772
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,520
Yeah.
People do it.

773
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,480
Yeah, and I guess, you know,
like what Claire and Jamie been

774
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,520
through, he said she'll be
better off.

775
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,800
You know, either she'll be
she'll be with him or she'll be

776
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,440
with her father.
But either way it goes.

777
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,480
I think he he felt like, OK, you
know what?

778
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,560
That's a situation where I love
her enough to let her go because

779
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,760
I didn't, I I wasn't fair to her
when we were together.

780
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:35,080
And the fact that he's willing
to risk seeing his children

781
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,400
again, that's how you know how
how much guilt he feels about

782
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,880
that 'cause he was like, you
know what, they might be living

783
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:48,520
a better life.
Because also, if he does go

784
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:54,600
back, what can he say to her?
How do you explain where you've

785
00:46:54,600 --> 00:47:01,240
been gone that long?
And and again, not be taken for

786
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:03,000
a witch.
This, remember, this is in the

787
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,080
times when they are trying
people for witchcraft.

788
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:11,120
I mean, Claire and Gaylis, their
trial is just a few years down

789
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,760
the road.
So it's just kind of one of

790
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,720
those moments where now he needs
to figure out his place in the

791
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:23,240
world and where he belongs.
And I really, really hope like I

792
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,560
don't like I said he and Rodger,
they go their separate ways in

793
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,280
the book, but I really hope that
they find a way to keep him in

794
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,720
the store because I I just love
his character.

795
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,640
I love their dynamic.
Like, I'm gonna be honest, I

796
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,080
kind of like seeing Buck and
Roger more than I like seeing

797
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Roger and Brianna right now.
Yeah, saying that I want them to

798
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,640
get back together, but it's just
kind of, it's a different, I

799
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,160
think it's a different vibe
because with Roger and Brianna,

800
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,960
you kind of, I almost want to
say you don't really get to see

801
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,600
Rodger be his own person because
he's part of the unit.

802
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,400
It's kind of like Jamie and
Claire, Jamie and Claire, Roger

803
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,520
and Brianna, you always see them
together.

804
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,520
It's all about the kids.
It's about, again, their shared

805
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,560
trauma because they're afraid,
you know, they're part of Fraser

806
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,360
family.
You, you can't be part of that

807
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,880
family without some kind of
drama.

808
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,480
But it's always about that.
And you never get to see Rodger

809
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:27,880
kind of be himself, not in the
way that we saw him before they

810
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,320
came to the past.
You know, Rodger was his own

811
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,640
person.
We got to see him teaching at

812
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,560
Oxford.
And you got to see a little bit

813
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,920
of his personality.
And, you know, so seeing him

814
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,960
with Buck and also, you know,
going through this journey of

815
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,400
looking for Jim, finding his
father, putting those missing

816
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,880
pieces and questions into his
mind, seeing the person that he

817
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,760
is becoming as a part of it.
And then not only that, but

818
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,800
having this relationship with
this relative who, you know, a

819
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,200
few years ago, y'all would have
killed each other.

820
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:06,640
It's just been so refreshing.
And again, the dynamic between

821
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,640
the two is wonderful.
So I want to keep Buck.

822
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,760
And I, I feel like Rodger needed
it and Buck needed it, yeah.

823
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,000
And that's how he end up where
he was.

824
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,760
Yeah.
Oh, and that's the other thing

825
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,920
because, OK, this is this is the
thing I was trying to verbalize

826
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,160
because we only see Roger now in
terms of his relationship with

827
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,040
the Frazier's because he has no
other family.

828
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,800
So it's nice to see him have
family of his own for once with

829
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,040
his father, even though that was
so brief.

830
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,280
But still, it gives him a sense
of who he is.

831
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,520
And then a book.
And I just, I want Rodger to

832
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,920
have his own, you know, his own
little slice.

833
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Of whatever, right?
Which means after this I'm have

834
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,840
some questions about book but OK
move on.

835
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,800
OK.
But yeah, so OK.

836
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,280
But while they're having these
conversations they are at, they

837
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,920
are back at Lila Brock because
Rodger says he can think of only

838
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:14,560
one other thing to do to kind of
push his family together.

839
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,600
Because again, Brianna does not
know where Rodger is.

840
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:23,160
Rodger knows where Brianna is,
but he's still not 100% sure of

841
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,400
where Jim is.
Jim could still be there in 1739

842
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,880
or he could have never left
1980.

843
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,520
He has no way of knowing.
But what he's decided to do was

844
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:37,600
he writes a letter, and he puts
it in that secret drawer that's

845
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:42,000
in the desk in Lallybrot because
that is the same desk that's

846
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,960
still sitting there in the
study.

847
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,600
And, you know, he discovered the
secret compartment when they

848
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,240
first moved in.
So he puts the letter there.

849
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,800
At the same time, in the 1980s,
Brianna has decided that she and

850
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,680
the kids, for their own safety
because Rob Cameron and his

851
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,800
folks keep coming after them,
she's decided that they need to

852
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,440
go to Rodger.
They need to go back to the

853
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,320
past.
And so she writes a letter to

854
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Rodger, and she gets ready to
put it in that same drawer.

855
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,400
And when she does, she finds the
letter addressed her.

856
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,200
And she was like, oh, my God,
what is this?

857
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,880
And when she reads it, the first
line is, dear Bree, something

858
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,040
happened.
I didn't, I didn't end up where

859
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,160
I was supposed to be.
And she looks at the date and

860
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,200
it's 1739, and she was like,
what the hell?

861
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:35,080
So she reads Roger's letter
where he gives her a brief

862
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,320
synopsis.
This is where I ended up, blah,

863
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,240
blah, blah.
I will find a way to put our

864
00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,720
family back together.
Because again, he doesn't know

865
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,120
where Jim is.
He's not going to leave until he

866
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,240
knows for sure.
So at this point.

867
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:49,600
But he should, but again, I
think they have a knowledge and

868
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,800
he should realize your son is
not there and I go home and try

869
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,520
again.
I think he does, but at the.

870
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,160
Same, but it's the writing.
I know it's the writing.

871
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,480
I, I won't even say it's the
writing.

872
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,360
I I think for everything that's
telling him that Jim is not

873
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,800
there.
Yes, and the reason he was

874
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,840
there.
If there is a small piece of him

875
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,440
that thinks there is a
possibility, I don't think he

876
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,240
will leave without knowing for
certain that Jim is not there,

877
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,560
because what happens if he goes
back home and he finds out Jim

878
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,000
is not?
There right, he has to go back,

879
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,000
but he knows like they have said
it several times.

880
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,760
He even feels it like he was
there for like really they

881
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,760
realized the second reason 1 you
put Buck's parents together and

882
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,240
two, you really the most
important thing was your dad and

883
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,920
again, that's what you were
thinking of.

884
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,440
Everyone been telling you weird
people they have seen your son

885
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,360
has nowhere been one of them.
So at this point in time it is

886
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,480
like we tell kids when there's
emergency, there's a place to go

887
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:05,840
to if you cannot get back home.
Well, right now your home is the

888
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,160
base.
You need to get back home and

889
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,200
regroup because you don't know.
Or you can go through the stones

890
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,040
again and think of your son and
guess where you're going to end

891
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,720
up.
Home.

892
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,040
Yeah, but you know he's not
there.

893
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,400
Yeah, because.
But you end up thinking about it

894
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,400
at the end.
Is that loose liver that's no

895
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,720
one has seen the extra kid.
I understand that.

896
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,800
But I mean, if you think about
parents and nowadays and present

897
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,400
time, when you have parents who
have children who have been

898
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,160
kidnapped, who have been
missing, kids who have run away,

899
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,800
even when people are telling
them, OK, the child is not here,

900
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,360
the child is most likely dead or
whatever, that small sliver of

901
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,520
hope is enough.
It's sliver of hope, but you

902
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,760
also have a good feeling and
they be going by the good

903
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,280
feeling that their kid is still
alive and their kid is there.

904
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,680
But the but your good feeling is
saying, man, we put ourselves at

905
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,320
a different time to do this.
Your good is telling you that

906
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,480
Yes, but.
And then there's evidence to

907
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,320
back it up.
That time because you are going

908
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,760
through time, you can't afford
to make a small mistake.

909
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,000
You can't, but you know you can
get home.

910
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,440
You are not where your son is.
I know, but he you are nowhere

911
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,600
near and you know it.
It's not 100% for him.

912
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,760
It's not but the sad part is.
Well as a as ATV watcher I'm

913
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,600
admit they have said it so many
times I don't know in the book

914
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,640
he had doubts.
They are literally saying out

915
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,640
loud like oh I know he is not
here.

916
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,600
I know, but.
But you still there.

917
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,680
But you still, I mean, it's just
like, just like him going

918
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,880
through the stones, he was
focused on Jim, focused on Jim.

919
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,080
He had to his dad.
He had that one little sliver of

920
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,800
thought about his dad and boom,
he ended up somewhere he wasn't

921
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,320
supposed to be or somewhere
which was great.

922
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,680
Didn't think he was right, which
was great.

923
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:00,680
So you still go through the
stones again and be like.

924
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,400
My son, my son, my son, my son,
my son.

925
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:08,280
But we have to remember,
Michelle, they don't know what

926
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,800
effect the Stones will have on
them going back and forth.

927
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,400
No, no, no, listen, they don't
know what effect going through

928
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,920
the stones multiple times will
have on their body.

929
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,240
You saw what happened to Buck
when they came back through.

930
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:25,240
He had issues with his heart.
So it's not like you can just be

931
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:28,360
like, oh, I'm going to go back
home to 1980 and oh, if he's not

932
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,720
there, OK, I'm going to go back
through.

933
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,760
What happens if they go back to
1980?

934
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,120
So then your next, so your next
thing is maybe not go home, but

935
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,400
again, think of your son and
hopefully that places you where

936
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,320
he is currently.
Because guess what your wife is

937
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,120
about to do What, what is your
wife about to do?

938
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,000
What's your wife about to do?
Oh, I, I know, but see.

939
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,040
But see, here's the thing.
She ready to go through the

940
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:52,960
stones.
But she doesn't have a split

941
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,960
focus because she knows where
her children.

942
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:55,840
Are no.
But what?

943
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,760
That's not what I'm saying.
If we all about that's taking

944
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,680
risks, Jamie and Claire will
take that risk.

945
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,160
I understand going back and
forth through the stones may

946
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,200
cause issues, but if you're
willing to take your kids back

947
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,160
and forth through the stones,
you can try to do it one more

948
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,280
time when you know where you are
isn't where your son is.

949
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,800
Because what if he is in real
danger in another location?

950
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,520
I get you.
I that's what I'm saying.

951
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,160
The clues that you're, you're
saying, the clues you keep

952
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,040
saying, Oh my gosh, this is not
the time we will put here for

953
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,960
another reason.
You can attempt to try again.

954
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,440
You may need to leave Buck
because Buck may have some heart

955
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,000
disease or something going on
with him.

956
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,280
But if your wife is willing to
risk it to get to you, you can

957
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,040
risk it to go home to check or
not even go home to check.

958
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,960
But in your heart say, my son is
my home, my son, my son, my son.

959
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,720
I cleared my issues with my dad,
but my son, 'cause my son needs

960
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:57,680
a dad.
Where is my son?

961
00:56:58,680 --> 00:56:59,760
You could try.
Yeah.

962
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,160
And then leave her another
letter.

963
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,480
That's all I'm going to say,
'cause she's willing to take,

964
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,800
she wouldn't take everybody with
her and she'll know when she

965
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,880
going.
They just dress for the season.

966
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,160
They're like, OK, we're going to
dress for this time.

967
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,600
If we make it, we make it.
If we don't, we don't baby all

968
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,280
y'all just think of y'all dad
but he messed up at.

969
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,520
Least.
She knows where he is because

970
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,480
because he yeah, that's true.
But she still got two other

971
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,040
people who got brains of their
own.

972
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:31,840
So you got to make sure they
focus.

973
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,520
Well, but, but again, they
don't.

974
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,000
They don't.
If all they're thinking about is

975
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,920
Roger, they have no reason to
think about anything else.

976
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,080
No, I'm just saying they're
sitting right here.

977
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,320
They're focusing, not going to
be split.

978
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:54,160
But the risk, I'm just saying
she's taking a huge risk, but we

979
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,880
got to give him that.
He could take a risk, too, OK,

980
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:04,480
She taking 22 minors.
Your children, you don't know

981
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,760
how this is going to end up
'cause you really don't know how

982
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,760
this will go.
Yeah, so he can try.

983
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,560
That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying.

984
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:22,800
Like I like I said, she knows
where he is without a doubt.

985
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,800
Her children, all they need to
know is that they're looking for

986
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,960
daddy they don't have.
They don't have anything else

987
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,760
that they need to focus on.
Roger could touch the stone and

988
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,360
be thinking about Jim.
But if he decides to leave Buck

989
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,800
back, is he going to have a
split second where he thinks

990
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,320
about?
But well, then he has to.

991
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,800
That's that's all his issues and
working on it.

992
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,680
But my whole, all I'm saying,
Michelle, is it's not foolproof

993
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,120
for Roger to just go back to.
And it's not fool, and I'm sorry

994
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,160
it's still not foolproof for
them either.

995
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,560
But that is a risk she is
willing to take to get their dad

996
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,400
back.
And that's all I'm saying about

997
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,680
him.
You know your son is not there.

998
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,520
Your gut is telling you he's not
there.

999
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,640
So what is the plan 'cause I
don't see a plan.

1000
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,840
I got her plan and her plan is
she like you said, she is in

1001
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,120
beast mode.
She didn't play a mode she like.

1002
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,760
We we doing this, damn the
consequences.

1003
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,200
We gonna find this man.
I feel like he got the same

1004
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,040
thing about his son.
But I think when Bree is, she's

1005
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,760
also fleeing danger, so she she
don't really have to.

1006
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,600
No, she she fleeing danger but
but that girl I'm sorry she got

1007
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,440
cojones.
I'm just saying I.

1008
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:44,160
Know, I know, but you?
Got the She doesn't hesitate and

1009
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,320
she's very good with her
instincts and her gut feelings.

1010
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,920
And that's all I'm trying to say
with Roger.

1011
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,640
We giving her like, oh, yeah,
she know what she doing.

1012
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,720
But I feel like we should be
able to say with him too is you

1013
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,920
know what, Sir?
You do have that good feeling

1014
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,600
that your son's not there.
You're going to maybe have to

1015
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,760
take a risk.
That's all I'm saying that he

1016
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,360
should be able to be like, OK,
I'm going to try it.

1017
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,240
And but maybe like, maybe no,
maybe wait, let's keep looking.

1018
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,560
But they even both realized this
may not be where he is.

1019
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,200
There's not two extra people.
You're looking for a man and a

1020
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,520
child.
Yeah, I know, I know.

1021
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,400
Only a man showed up in that man
to be in your day.

1022
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,000
Yeah, I, I, I'm just saying, I
feel like Roger has a little bit

1023
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,440
more to risk.
He does.

1024
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,160
He does so and I'm just thinking
that's.

1025
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,560
Probably, but she has.
To me, she has much more 'cause

1026
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,720
you have two extra little people
with you.

1027
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,160
But she also has 2 little people
who have a special ability they

1028
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,240
do together.
And we don't want to end up in

1029
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,120
two different places because
then I don't think they would be

1030
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:57,560
because of because of the the
connection between Jim and

1031
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,560
Mandy, which you know, has had
only been hinted at.

1032
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,280
But now we kind of see that it
it.

1033
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,040
No, they have a connection.
It's an actual, real thing.

1034
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,640
Just like she tells them at the
stone she was like, I need you

1035
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,920
guys to use your connection to
find daddy.

1036
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:16,480
I think that probably gives her
a little more confidence as far

1037
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,560
as OK, I can take this risk
because she has.

1038
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,240
I'm trying to think of how we'd
she has something steering her

1039
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,120
like she does, but she may not
be.

1040
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,000
With those two will end up
together.

1041
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:34,600
Hold on, let me finish.
She has these two kids who are

1042
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,880
able to focus.
All they need to focus on is

1043
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,960
Roger.
They don't need to press on Bug.

1044
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:40,760
They don't need to focus on
anything else.

1045
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,760
All they're focusing in on is
Roger.

1046
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,880
So that probably gives her a
little more confidence about

1047
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,600
what she's about to do.
Roger only has his mind.

1048
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:59,360
He doesn't have anything that's
really steering him towards

1049
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,800
them.
Yeah, he can think about Jim.

1050
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,080
But again, he could be, he could
think that that split second of

1051
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,920
thought, that's what happened
with him, with with him and his

1052
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,280
father.
Because I think I mentioned in

1053
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,480
the books, this is not the first
time he's encountered his father

1054
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,520
going through the stones.
He went the first time he tried

1055
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,760
to go to the stones, through the
stones to find Brianna.

1056
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,200
He ended up back in the stone
circle with Fiona because she

1057
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:30,000
went to the stones with him.
And he says that in that in

1058
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,080
between space, you know, before
you go from one point to

1059
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,720
another.
He.

1060
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:40,960
Briefly thought of his dad and
he saw his dad in the stones.

1061
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:48,920
So Roger's focus, I would just
say, is not as certain and that

1062
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:54,040
would make me feel like Roger
just needs to stay put and wait

1063
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,520
for them to come to him.
But then then if you take, OK,

1064
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,040
so take even take the book out.
If you just take the show, He's

1065
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,880
been doing good getting to the
places he needed to be going

1066
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,600
through the stones.
This was the one time, but I can

1067
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,040
understand this one time, 'cause
you still was thinking about

1068
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,040
your son.
You was thinking about your son

1069
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,480
not having a dad, like you
didn't have one.

1070
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,200
And then you thought of your dad
because you thought of right.

1071
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,680
But I'm what I'm saying is now
that you know, but now that you

1072
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,320
know, you know how to how to
focus your mind.

1073
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:32,760
My thing is you exactly said it.
Those two, yeah, they focus on

1074
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,720
their dad.
But those are two brains plus

1075
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,360
another brain that's totally
separate.

1076
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,320
The two connected.
They're going to be together

1077
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,600
going through the stones.
Mom may not even get to the same

1078
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,200
place.
The two kids may get to.

1079
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,600
You don't know how she may
switch her thoughts off at the

1080
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:52,160
same time.
So one versus 3 to me, when

1081
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,840
Roger has done this before and
he does actually know how to

1082
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:01,360
focus much better, he does have
the.

1083
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,240
Agree to disagree on that
because.

1084
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:04,760
I mean, no, but honestly, he
does.

1085
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,120
He knows what he you have to do
to get to where you need to get

1086
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,600
to 'cause he's done this a few
times.

1087
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,520
Yeah, he does.
And I'm saying that he's not

1088
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,040
naive to this.
Oh, no, I he knows what to do

1089
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,000
now.
When if you don't do it.

1090
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,360
Yeah, I mean, but we've seen
that before.

1091
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,200
But I'm just saying that you can
still put that same energy that

1092
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,680
your wife is with two kids
because they may not end up

1093
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,320
together.
You know what I'm saying?

1094
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,560
They may the kids may end up
like focus on their day when.

1095
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,880
Mandy runs through the stones
before everybody else, right?

1096
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,960
You see what I'm saying?
And then like, but guess who's

1097
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,160
going to be with her though?
Who's going to end up at the

1098
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,040
same location she ends up with
her brother because they're

1099
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,120
connected?
Well, here's the thing.

1100
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,520
Brianna will end up there too,
because at this point now her

1101
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:57,360
focus is shifted to Mandy.
So if Mandy's focus is on Roger,

1102
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,760
Brianna's focus is on Mandy.
They're gonna end up at the same

1103
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,280
place.
Right now.

1104
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,720
But we wouldn't know that if
they just went lolly gallon

1105
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,880
through the First of all, we
really do not know how these

1106
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,920
stones work.
We'll think, well, they're

1107
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,360
minors.
They're connected.

1108
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,320
The stones don't give a shit
about who a minor or not.

1109
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,520
It worked probably during
pregnancy.

1110
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,920
You understand what I'm saying?
Because that's what?

1111
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,520
But you don't.
We don't know really how it all

1112
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,040
works, and that's all I'm
saying.

1113
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,880
All I'm saying is she's taking
the huge risk of taking her

1114
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,560
kids.
Yeah, she is.

1115
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,840
But.
You want your kids with you, but

1116
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,520
you got to hope and pray that
they stay connected with you.

1117
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,160
And the Stones understand that
minors need to stay with their

1118
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,080
parents.
That's all you can work with.

1119
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,640
That's all she's working with.
She has faith in what she's

1120
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,640
doing and she has a hope that
it's going to work out right.

1121
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,280
Well, the other thing is she had
planned on them, like probably

1122
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,960
holding hands and going through
the stones.

1123
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,640
But like she said once she tells
once she tells the kids I need

1124
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,400
you to focus on Daddy and she
puts the stone in their hands.

1125
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:13,360
Like immediately she puts the
stone in the hand and she tells

1126
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,000
Mandy, I need you to focus on
Daddy.

1127
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,120
As soon as she said that, Mandy
turned and she was like Daddy

1128
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,280
and took off.
So I don't know what it is about

1129
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,680
Mandy, but it seems like
whatever that telepathy is the

1130
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,800
the.
What is it?

1131
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,360
We call it the magnet or the
whatever the the force is strong

1132
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,080
with that child.
Yeah, it is.

1133
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,720
Because as soon as Brianna said,
I need you to think about Daddy.

1134
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:38,760
Sure.
She found her.

1135
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,640
Yeah.
And she took off running through

1136
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,520
stones.
Now I have another question.

1137
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:47,320
So to talk about this.
So if Rodger went around and

1138
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,360
it's been like a year and still
hadn't found him, what was he

1139
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,840
going to do?
What was he going to do?

1140
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,560
He's going to have to go back
through the.

1141
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,440
What?
Yeah, he's going to go back

1142
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,720
through the yeah stones.
That's all I was saying.

1143
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:05,440
Like he could have just let's
not wait around when you know

1144
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,320
what the answer is.
Yeah, but now I need him to

1145
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:16,360
stay.
Well, I mean, I, I think, I

1146
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,920
think he probably was gonna stay
anyway, maybe just maybe just

1147
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,200
for a few more days.
Because, I mean, you gotta, you

1148
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:30,720
gotta sit here and think, OK, if
he puts the letter in the desk,

1149
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,920
he's obviously hoping that at
some point she will see it.

1150
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,840
She couldn't have seen it before
then because he didn't, because

1151
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,200
he didn't put the letter in the
desk.

1152
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,200
So maybe at that point he would
have thought, OK, let me stay a

1153
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:44,840
couple of days, let me stay a
couple of weeks, see what

1154
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,840
happens, right, I got you can do
is all you can do is guess and

1155
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,280
wait.
And then if nothing happens,

1156
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,440
then he could probably.
Have to make a decision?

1157
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:53,960
Go.
Home.

1158
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:55,280
Yeah, you have to make a
decision.

1159
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,880
He has to make a decision.
Yeah, but at least at this

1160
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:04,320
point, he can try to figure out
like, OK, so one, if Jim is not

1161
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,800
here, he needs to figure out
what's going to what they're

1162
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,080
going to do with Buck.
Him and Buck are going to need

1163
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:11,320
to sit there and figure that
out.

1164
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,120
Like, are you going to come back
with me?

1165
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,160
Are you going to stay here?
You've obviously decided not to

1166
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:21,160
go back to your time.
So like for Buck, if if that's

1167
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,240
his mindset, if he already knows
my wife is better off without

1168
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,040
me, whatever.
Even if he tried to go back to

1169
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,479
1778, I don't think he would
make it because his focus is not

1170
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,000
there anymore.
You know what?

1171
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,720
I'm right and he's more of this
time period.

1172
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:39,680
So yeah, he does.
Well, yeah, Roger does not.

1173
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,600
So.
No, Roger is too much like.

1174
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,920
A bug said I would just stay I
think, but would be fine if he

1175
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,080
stayed.
Yeah, but I don't want him to

1176
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,160
stay.
I want him to well.

1177
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,359
I know, but he ain't gonna make
it in the what?

1178
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,640
What's that current time?
1980s, yeah, 1980s.

1179
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,600
But here's the thing, if Brianna
comes back with the kids and

1180
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,439
they find them too, thank you
know you already know.

1181
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,279
You already know they are not
staying in 1739.

1182
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,720
Not also where they gonna go.
They go.

1183
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,840
So are they gonna go where I
think they need to go?

1184
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,200
They they need to go back to
Fraser's Ridge.

1185
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,640
Right, that's what I'm saying.
Mama and the Daddy now.

1186
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,680
That's what I'm saying.
I don't know if they're gonna go

1187
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,080
to Philadelphia.
They might go back to they might

1188
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,600
try to I, I don't, I don't know
what they're gonna do, but I

1189
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:28,040
know then one, they can't go
back to 1980, not right now, not

1190
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:33,200
while that he is on now, but.
That has to be resolved before

1191
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,560
this series ends.
So they have to.

1192
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,240
So they have to go back.
So but then they have to go back

1193
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:46,160
again because I need Rihanna to
to talk with William.

1194
01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:48,760
So I'm all conflicted here.
When?

1195
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:53,399
OK.
So I will, I will say this as

1196
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:57,640
far as the books, because again,
we still have one book that

1197
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,760
needs to come out.
So we don't know what's going to

1198
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,720
happen with them back and forth.
One of the things that they did

1199
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:10,760
cut from the show is the time is
is like the the time between

1200
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,760
when Brianna makes the decision
that she's going to go look for

1201
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,120
Rodger and the time that she
actually leaves.

1202
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:21,400
Because in the books, what she
does is because Rob Cameron is

1203
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,520
actively trying to get after
them.

1204
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,760
Like I said in the books, the,
the shootout and everything that

1205
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,240
happens at her house is way
more.

1206
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:32,400
There's, there's like a lot more
chaos.

1207
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,320
Rob Cameron's face is plastered
all over the news.

1208
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:41,120
So is Jeremiah's face because
it's a big news story and all

1209
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:44,840
this other stuff.
So what she actually does is she

1210
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:48,640
packs up Lollibrop and when
they're, they're packing up the

1211
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,080
furniture and, and, you know,
trying to make it so that the,

1212
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:56,080
the place is shuttered down,
that's when she finds the letter

1213
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,800
in the books.
She actually goes back to the

1214
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,200
States and she, they stay with
Joe Abernathy and his wife.

1215
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:09,240
And during that time she's
making all she's, she's getting

1216
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,000
all her affairs settled.
Like, OK, this is what to do

1217
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,520
with the house.
This is what you do with the

1218
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,840
bank accounts.
You know, she's doing all of

1219
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,760
this with Joe and then she's
also testing the connection

1220
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,120
between the kids because she
tells Joe about what's going on.

1221
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:27,040
And, and at this point, his wife
is also aware of of what's going

1222
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,240
on with them being travelers and
all this other stuff.

1223
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,040
So they actually do tests with
the kids.

1224
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:33,480
They're like, OK, we're going to
go down.

1225
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,080
We're going to go to downtown
Boston.

1226
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,560
Me and me and Mandy will stay
here.

1227
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,200
Jim, you and Uncle Joe, y'all
get in the car and y'all are

1228
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,280
going to drive and we're going
to see how far you guys can go

1229
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,040
before you stop feeling each
other.

1230
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,400
So they actually do this several
times because when she gets

1231
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,920
ready to go through the stones,
she wants to be sure that the

1232
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,680
kids, you know, like you said,
can focus on each other and then

1233
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,200
focus on Rodger.
Because there is also a little

1234
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,040
bit of a, you know, they know
that they have some a little bit

1235
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,080
of a connection where they can
feel their parents is just not

1236
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,000
as strong as the connection they
can feel.

1237
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,160
With each other, they have for
each other.

1238
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,440
So the all of that is is missing
out of the show.

1239
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:18,000
They don't do it.
So I don't know at this point.

1240
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,040
We know that, you know, we know
that they're going back to the

1241
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,280
past wherever they end up going
because we see them running

1242
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,200
through the stones at the end of
this episode.

1243
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,000
Now, whether they go back to the
future, I don't know.

1244
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,520
But in the books, she has
settled her affair so that if

1245
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,120
they don't come back.
Everything is taken care of.

1246
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,960
Everything is taken care of, so
there's a possibility they could

1247
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:45,200
go back.
I mean, I, I just don't see at

1248
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,480
this point, I don't see why they
would want to go back to the

1249
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:50,360
1980s, except for the fact that
yes, it has more modern

1250
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,800
conveniences.
Medically speaking, it's a

1251
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,600
little bit safer and that sort
of thing.

1252
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:01,520
But literally aside from Joe and
Fiona, everybody that you love

1253
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,760
and care about is back in the
1700s.

1254
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:09,320
Your, your family, your parents,
your support system.

1255
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:14,600
I don't think if if I know this
guy is trying to come after me.

1256
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,080
And again, we don't know if Rob
Cameron is a time traveler.

1257
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,520
We don't know of anybody that he
knows is a time traveler and can

1258
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,440
send, you know, send them after
them.

1259
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,800
I would assume that Bree took
the letter with her because if

1260
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,400
you think that there's a
possibility of that, why would

1261
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,520
you leave that letter for
someone to find?

1262
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:35,600
You know what I'm saying?
So.

1263
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:42,440
So yeah, I just, I, I don't know
if they go back to the 1980s,

1264
01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:46,920
but I know that if she goes to
19, excuse me, 1739, and she

1265
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,720
finds Rodger.
If they find Rodger, they need

1266
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,840
to head to the Ridge or they
need to head to wherever Claire

1267
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,320
and Jamie are right now, which
she probably knows because she

1268
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:01,280
probably went through and looked
at the letters before she left.

1269
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,120
It was like, OK, if this is, I
can't remember what month it was

1270
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,880
on the thing.
OK, let's say this is September

1271
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,080
1980.
So technically speaking, if I go

1272
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:18,360
back to look for my parents it
should be around 1797.

1273
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:21,120
Yeah, you got to figure that
out, Yeah.

1274
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,920
She'll look at the letters and
be like, OK, so they were in

1275
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,200
Philadelphia in September 1797.
So when I go through the stones,

1276
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:29,600
that's where I need to make my
way.

1277
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:34,520
So there's a lot of.
Sorry, Brianna got that good GPS

1278
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:35,440
on her gums.
Kidding, she.

1279
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,120
But I mean, she, she really.
Does she good though?

1280
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,320
That's I'm saying she's good,
but she's been doing this too

1281
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,640
for a while herself.
So she's really, she's good.

1282
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,800
Yeah, so.
I'm sorry, Frank taught her a

1283
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,680
lot.
But I let me tell you when when

1284
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,080
Mandy took off running, all I
heard was Casey in my head.

1285
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,560
Some of them kids.
Need a whooping?

1286
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,720
Yeah, 'cause her.
Parents, But if you are that

1287
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,160
magnet, if you are the strong
one, 'cause remember, Jimmy was

1288
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,680
even hearing Mandy when she was
an infant.

1289
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,960
You know, he was like, oh, she
can hear the stone sing too,

1290
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,000
because she told me.
Excuse me?

1291
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:12,600
What?
She can't even talk?

1292
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,400
She's gonna.
You don't like that applesauce?

1293
01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:17,600
You put too much cinnamon in it.
Right, right, right.

1294
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:24,160
So hopefully Mandy's radar, her
daddy radar is strong enough to

1295
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:28,440
lead all of them through to
where they need to be to to get

1296
01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:32,440
to Roger, 'cause like I said, if
Mandy is focused on Roger, if

1297
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:35,800
Jared, if Jimmy is focused on
Mandy and Roger because he's

1298
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,680
like, OK, sister dad and Brianna
is going to be focused on the

1299
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,920
kids, they're all going to end
up in the same place.

1300
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:44,960
I have no doubt about that.
I don't think they would get

1301
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,320
separated because that that
particular bond is too strong.

1302
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,440
I think even more so than than
Brianna wanting to get to

1303
01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:55,320
Rodger, Brianna's going to want
to get to her kids.

1304
01:15:55,560 --> 01:16:00,320
So yeah, I think in the end all
will be fine, but we got to wait

1305
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,960
a whole nother damn week before
we find out.

1306
01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:08,880
Like really?
Y'all already made us wait more

1307
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,560
than a year for the second-half
of this season and then y'all

1308
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,120
are gonna make us have a break
before the season finale.

1309
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,440
Oh, y'all are killing me.
But it's OK, it's OK.

1310
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:29,760
We just know Claire better be
alive, which we already know

1311
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,040
she.
Well, see, we already know

1312
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,560
that's that's and that's the
that's the part I don't like

1313
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:40,960
because we know that she I know
that because it's too soon.

1314
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:45,320
Now again, if you did this, if
you did this 2 episodes towards

1315
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,400
the end, I'd be like Hanukkah,
here it comes.

1316
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,920
But even with us knowing that
she is alive, just like we knew

1317
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,680
Jamie wasn't dead, we still went
through the emotions because.

1318
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,720
Yeah, I still was crying, but
I'm just saying it, it hits

1319
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,120
differently.
Yeah, you said.

1320
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:05,120
I'm saying it hits differently.
Yeah, because when I when I when

1321
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,480
I saw what the episode title was
written in my own heart's blood

1322
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:11,520
and like I said, I had that
light bulb moment like, oh,

1323
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,240
that's what they meant because
Jamie wrote that note in

1324
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,400
Claire's blood.
I was like, OK, this is the

1325
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:23,480
episode where Claire gets shot.
Even going in knowing this, when

1326
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:26,560
I say I stress watch this
episode like this, the whole

1327
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,600
time I was just waiting for it
to come.

1328
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,800
And the fact that it came as
early as it did in the episode

1329
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,800
because I really thought they
would probably leave us on the

1330
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:40,440
cliffhanger of her getting shot.
But instead we get her getting

1331
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:42,920
shot and then we get everything
in the church afterwards all the

1332
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:47,520
way up until Denzel comes and
starts prepping her for surgery.

1333
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:53,600
And I was just sitting there
stress watching it, like I was

1334
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,320
feeling everything.
And I was like, I know Claire's

1335
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,920
going to be OK, but still like
in the books is touch and go.

1336
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:03,120
So I'm.
Just and see Oh, and if if they

1337
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:05,920
did that as the season finale,
then I wouldn't know either

1338
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,680
because next season could just
be her touch and go and then

1339
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,240
finally everyone gets to say
their goodbyes to her.

1340
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,600
That would have been like.
I would have been like.

1341
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,960
Yeah, I don't think, I don't
think they're going to drag that

1342
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,640
out because like I said, I.
Will be done.

1343
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:26,120
Now that we know what happened
in this episode, I have a

1344
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,560
feeling I know what's going to
happen in the next episode.

1345
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,120
And I think I know exactly where
they're going to cut off.

1346
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,800
And it it would if they cut off
where I think they would cut

1347
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,680
off, then I think we'll be good
going into the final season.

1348
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,800
I think we'll be good.
I think we'll be happy now.

1349
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,280
They don't do that.
I have, I have no clue, but I

1350
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:54,200
have a feeling the next episode
is going to be very emotional

1351
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:58,200
because we will be watching
Claire go through her recovery

1352
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,840
and that's going to be kind of
rough.

1353
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:07,960
I do believe that we will see
some kind of maybe not

1354
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:11,520
resolution, but we will see
something happen with the Lord

1355
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,600
John, Jamie, William, Jane,
Fanny.

1356
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,000
Trying to think, did I leave
anybody else?

1357
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,800
I think we will see something
happen with that group.

1358
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,360
I'm not sure if we're going to
see a full-fledged reunion with

1359
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,000
Jamie and Lord John or the
forgiveness part, but I can't.

1360
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:33,320
Again, I kind of feel like I I
agree with you as.

1361
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,800
Far as.
If this is what they had to deal

1362
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,200
with when they thought I was
dead, then I need to be a little

1363
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:40,760
more forgiving.
I need to be a little more

1364
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:44,560
understanding of what they did.
Like I said, I don't think Jamie

1365
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:48,560
was really mad, mad about the
part about them sleeping

1366
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,000
together.
I think it was Lord John's

1367
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,520
attitude.
Like, yeah, I had carnal

1368
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,360
knowledge of your wife and I
don't, and I'm not sorry, but I

1369
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,200
think that was the.
Yeah.

1370
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,280
Because Lord John was trying to
hurt Jamie's feelings.

1371
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:03,800
Because I think he was so pissed
that he let all this emotion

1372
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,080
out.
He let all of these feelings

1373
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,440
about Jamie out that he had
previously kept very well under

1374
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:11,760
wraps, even with Claire.
Like Claire knew.

1375
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:16,040
He was in love with Jamie, but
they never had such a an

1376
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:19,880
explicit conversation about it.
And I think the fact that he he

1377
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,520
allowed himself to spill all of
that and put all of that out

1378
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,680
into the universe and then for
Jamie to come back, like you

1379
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:31,000
can't take that back now.
Every whatever Claire had

1380
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,840
thought before Jamie died, as
far as what Lord John felt, she

1381
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,240
actually knows it now.
She's confront like y'all had a

1382
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,640
physical.
Act.

1383
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:45,480
Due to the the enormity of your
feelings for Jamie.

1384
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,520
So I think he was more pissed
off about that and that's why he

1385
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,880
kind of why he kind of went at
Jamie the way he did.

1386
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,880
Like, yeah, I did this and
whatever 'cause I think he

1387
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,680
wanted Jamie to feel the same
kind of anger he was feeling

1388
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,360
about Jamie's so-called demise
and, and the events that

1389
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,800
happened after it.
But hopefully they'll get that

1390
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,760
settled because y'all got y'all
got way too many other things to

1391
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,560
deal with because now Jamie will
have to deal with whatever

1392
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,400
consequences he's going to have
because you violated the direct

1393
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:24,640
order from a commanding officer.
I don't think they're going to

1394
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:28,440
look at that very lightly.
George Washington might, but at

1395
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:33,240
the same time, you can't let
someone do that and just kind of

1396
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:37,880
let them go without there being
any consequence because if you

1397
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,480
do that, then your men start to
question your authority.

1398
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:46,120
So it's going to be interesting
because again, we kind of know,

1399
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,080
we we know what happens between
George Washington and General

1400
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,400
Lee and we know about that
divide.

1401
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:57,080
So maybe people will look at
Jamie and be like, well, I

1402
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,720
wouldn't listen to General Lee
either.

1403
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,360
That bastard retreated.
He's a coward.

1404
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,520
That is true.
Or they might be like, well,

1405
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,080
he's still your commanding
officer.

1406
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,280
You should have known what he
told you to do, that sort of

1407
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:11,120
thing.
So I, I think we'll see some

1408
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:17,120
kind of consequence about that.
But yeah, I, I kind of my my

1409
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:21,040
biggest hope again, because all
of those things are things that

1410
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:27,400
we know are going to have my
biggest question and hope is

1411
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,960
that Brianna and the kids find
Rodger and Buck.

1412
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,880
And then I want them to go to
Jamie and Claire.

1413
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,160
And I would like for Buck to
stay with them because again, I

1414
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,720
like the fact that Rodger has a
piece of his own family with

1415
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,040
him.
And I mean, it wouldn't hurt

1416
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:49,200
anything to have Buck go, you
know, back to that time with

1417
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:53,320
them.
Yeah, he could.

1418
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,560
He could do that.
He could even take on a

1419
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:58,000
different name if he doesn't
want Morack to find him.

1420
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,400
But if they're in Philadelphia,
she's in Scotland.

1421
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,720
She's not going to come looking
for him, especially if she knows

1422
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,800
that he was in Scotland when he
disappeared.

1423
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,240
She because I don't think she
would have any reason to think

1424
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,080
that he would go back to the
States.

1425
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,840
So she probably will thank him
for dead.

1426
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,400
He can stay with them in
Philadelphia.

1427
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:25,800
I would not be mad at all.
It would be great to have Rodger

1428
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,120
have a piece of his family.
It would not hurt to have

1429
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,600
another big strapping gentleman
be on, be on their side.

1430
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:36,120
Yeah.
Just take Buck with you.

1431
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,000
It's not going to hurt.
I mean, you guys kept Merta

1432
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,440
alive and brought him back and
Merta died in.

1433
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:43,520
The That's true, that's true,
that's true.

1434
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:44,760
We can do it.
That's true.

1435
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:51,040
Yeah, that was true.
So yeah, you have any final

1436
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:58,400
thoughts about this episode?
I just, I just thought it was

1437
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,120
funny, 'cause I was like,
Claire's gonna operate on

1438
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,720
herself, that's all.
When I when she was.

1439
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,720
Dozing off, I was like, no, I
really want her to like, be like

1440
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,400
that tough woman and be like, I
got this, I got this.

1441
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,080
OK.
I need you to feel around.

1442
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,160
OK.
Oh yeah.

1443
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:19,840
Claire is very human.
And it was so funny 'cause when

1444
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:23,040
when you sent me that text, then
you were like, oh, she about to

1445
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,920
operate on herself.
I said, OK, so she's gotten

1446
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,960
through the part where where
Claire got shot.

1447
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,800
Did it shock you that it was
her?

1448
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,800
Did it shock you that it was
her?

1449
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,360
No, I 'cause then at that point
I was like, OK, I kind of saw a

1450
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,200
picture of that.
I had thought that that was

1451
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,040
going to happen, but no, it
didn't shock me, OK?

1452
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:46,680
OK, yeah, 'cause I was just kind
of like the way that they let up

1453
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:50,800
into it with the conversation of
her saying something feels

1454
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,200
different this time, Something
feels different this time.

1455
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:55,560
And Jamie was like, you can't
mean death.

1456
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,640
She was like, no, not death.
It's just something, something

1457
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,720
feels different.
And it was literally because,

1458
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,200
OK, you going to be the one
that's in dire peril this time

1459
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,280
and not Jamie.
So it's it's always interesting

1460
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:15,040
to see, to see the the
perspective change because we're

1461
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:19,040
so used to clear seeing Jamie
endanger and Jamie being, you

1462
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:20,640
know, his life being put on the
line.

1463
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:24,280
And Jamie ain't no telling how
many times Jamie has been shot,

1464
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:30,960
maimed, whatever at this point.
So to see it be clear,

1465
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:35,200
especially when we've only seen
her like deadly sick one other

1466
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,800
time, and that was when Mabel
Christie poisoned her.

1467
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:43,600
It's just always interesting
because you get to see her be

1468
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:48,080
strong and still be able to do
stuff, but then you have to see

1469
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:51,480
her kind of be be a regular
human.

1470
01:25:51,480 --> 01:25:53,720
She can't be super clear this
time.

1471
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,440
It's kind of hard to do that
when you have a bullet in your

1472
01:25:56,440 --> 01:25:58,160
liver.
So yeah.

1473
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:01,680
Yeah.
But OK.

1474
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:07,960
So we have one episode left for
season 7, then Drought Lander

1475
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:14,200
begins again.
I am hoping that when the season

1476
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:19,000
finale airs that we will get
some information about Blood of

1477
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:25,520
My Blood, like a a release date
or an estimated release date or

1478
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,880
that we will find out some
information about season 8.

1479
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,240
I really hope that they don't
send us into Drought Lander with

1480
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:36,960
no information 'cause I will be
so depressed because it's just

1481
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:40,440
this is going to be the last
season.

1482
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:45,120
Yep, and we still don't know
when we're getting a 10th book

1483
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,720
yet.
However, Diana Gabaldon did say

1484
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,840
she will be releasing the title
of the book sometime this year.

1485
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,360
So she releases the title of the
book.

1486
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:02,360
That means that we're getting a
little bit closer to a release

1487
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:09,200
date.
So fingers crossed and I guess

1488
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,800
for now, that is it for our
show.

1489
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:16,040
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1490
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,440
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1491
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,440
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1492
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:23,760
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1493
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,520
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1494
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,200
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1495
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,920
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