Outlander S7E16 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #332

0:25 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Michelle and we are discussing the season 7 finale of Outlander, the very last season finale for the show. Right which? Because next. I don't even know what to. I don't even know what to say. Girl. I I feel like it wasn't a season finale. I feel like we should have a episode next week. I do because it just didn't feel like it. And then now I'm like, OK, so when will the next season come out?

1:06 And I know we're going to talk about it, but now you open up Pandora's, another can of worms here that we going to have to dig through next season, which is our last season, which we should be like tying up the strings right now, not having a whole bunch of strings fall on the left side that no one was even paying attention to or thinking about. So OK so let's make this determination first because I have had messages all day asking for my opinion of this season finale and I was like Nope Michelle and I are talking about it, y'all will hear it at midnight. So let's do this. Do we want to go from easy to hard, or do we want to go ahead and just address the elephant in the room first? You got to address the elephant in the room because we're going to, we're going to keep going to the elephant. OK, OK, so we're going to start this off with the Jane story first of all.

2:05 Yes. So I will say this, I love that we got to see a little bit of Jane and Fanny's childhood at the beginning of the episode. You get to see them together as young girls with their mother, with who we assume is their mother in a field full of dragonflies. You get to see them just kind of being children. And I think that along with the warning message at the beginning of the episode, kind of already informed you on what was going to happen in this episode, especially since they started out with Jane. So basically Jane, as we discussed in the last episode, she has been arrested. She has been brought to a meeting house in one of the towns and she is going to be executed for murder.

2:54 Now, I think the interesting thing about the start of her story where we see her is when we when we see her character in this episode, at the beginning, she's talking to what is apparently a reporter who's trying to get the details for this sensationalist crime. Because they're saying that she stabbed this guy 26 times and then cut his throat, which of course, you know, what she told William was that she only stabbed him once and then she stabbed him in the throat. So it's kind of like the first thing I'm trying to figure out is did she really stabbed this man the number of times that they say, or is this something that they are just kind of sensationalizing in order to put her in a position where, oh, we, you can't argue this. We're definitely going to hang you. And it's just one of those things where when when you see her listening to the reporter and he's asking her all of these questions, the answers that she's giving and the attitude that she has with giving those answers, you already know she already knows there is no coming out of this for her. Oh yeah, she definitely knows it is no being saved. They're going to kill you and why throwing up? But why would I when you already said I stabbed him 26 times? So why would I even give you information 'cause you're going to change it, 'cause you're

4:25 going to make me look like I'm crazy and that he is an innocent old. Poor him that. Yeah, yeah. So no, yeah, no. But when I was listening to it and, and like I said with, with the way that she was coming across at first, her attitude, I was like, she really wants it. It's almost like she wants them to kill her. But then at the same time, I was like, Oh no, when when you kind of get deeper into the conversation and you kind of see the way that it's going, I was like, Oh no. She's basically like saying fuck y'all because she already knows that there is no getting out of this for her. None.

5:06 And you felt so bad for it because one, we know, again, we know the lengths that she went to and why she went to those lengths. She was trying to protect her sister. But as I stated last week, the British Army is not going to care. They just care that one of their soldiers is dead. And now, like you said, they're fabricating information because even when later on in the episode, when Lord John tries to go find information out for William, he comes back and says she signed a confession admitting that she murdered him. But the only thing that she was disputing was the fact that she stabbed him 26 times. 'Cause I didn't do that.

5:47 Right. So. But you know, like, like Lord John said, 'cause when William said she only stabbed him once, and Lord John says unfortunately the once is enough. Right. So really, the 26 times, does it really matter? It does in my story. But either way, he's dead, right? So, right, so with all of that, of course William is trying to get someone to help him. He asked his father, Lord John, which I, I'm genuinely surprised because Lord John was basically like, OK, yes, I'll, I'll see what I can find out. I'll try to help you. But once he realizes what she's in for and that she signed the confession, he basically has given it up.

6:32 Like, there's nothing I else I can do. At least, you know, you know, with her death, it wasn't in vain 'cause she was able to save her sister. And William was like, yeah, you know, I'm not about to let this let this rest, right. Lord John is like, yeah, I know you. I think he kind of figured William was going to try to do something and he wasn't going to stand in Williams way. But what does William do? William goes to his other daddy and ask for him to help. Yeah, the one he knows that would be able to help him for real. The one who is the quote UN quote criminal. But like I, I, I, I said this Jack, Jamie, both we're going to challenge William and his worldview. They were going to challenge his principles, his morals, because you are about to risk everything to try to go save this girl who again, is a noteworthy in everybody else's eyes. Luckily, he he's surrounded by people who are not as judgmental because when he tells Lord John that she's a whore, he was like, but she, Lord John was like, it don't matter. It don't matter.

7:45 Like, I don't care what she is, what she did. You say you were supposed to protect her. You care about her. Let me see what I can do to help. But again, Lord John's hands are kind of tied because of who he is. So yeah, now you go traipse on over to Jamie, the person who is the the rebel and the traitor and the person you have so much disdain for, but he's the person who dropped what he needed to do. He was nursing his sick wife who, granted, you got a lot going on, but you didn't even bother to ask about. You know, it's so sad that I did think that I was like, you could at least went in there and say, hey. Right, 'cause Lord, Lord John came and and and, you know, came to see her to see how she was doing, risked the wrath of Jamie because he wanted to see how she was doing. William could have at least been like, Oh, I heard, or is mother Claire around What, what, whatever, But I understand he has things on his mind.

8:43 He asked Jamie to help. Jamie goes to Claire and he was like, he needs my help. And she was like, how he couldn't even say he was just like, my son has never asked me for anything in his life. So I have to do it. However I go. He get he gets Lord John because he's like, OK, he can go and and get the information. Then I'm going to ask daddy Jamie because hey, I feel like he a criminal so he can help me do criminal things and get away with it again, amazingly. But the other day you were all with this honor stuff. But it's OK.

9:24 But it's OK, 'cause yeah, you, you felt like she was on your protection because there's Gray areas to this. Exactly like I said, like. She killed a man it's wrong to kill, but she killed them because he was about to do some horrible things to the sister. Challenging that worldview. I do like that Lord John sat there and was patient understanding, didn't jump to judgment or conclusions. Especially like are like you in love like what is happening here because you're you're about to meltdown about this young lady. But you know what I get it. Let me go find out what is happening. So I did appreciate that you know, right now he's in Lord John is in my heart right now.

10:11 So whatever he does, it's fantastic. I. Thought it was so funny, though, because when William comes to him and he says, I need your help, it's an urgent matter. And Lord John is like anything. He says. There's a young woman who is in trouble. She's been arrested on suspicion of murder. You saw Lord John's face saying, wait a minute, what did I just tell my son about saying certain things like, oh, I'm happy with anything. Oh, wait, murder. He's like, his face changed so suddenly, like. OK, Did she do it? Yes, she did. But for good reasons, right? OK, maybe I need to get the story before I say I.

10:53 Say before I make that commitment, but I'm going to sit here and listen to my son. And so to to let him know no matter what is happening, I'm here for you. I'm here. But again, there's only so much that he can do as a British officer, as a British soldier. No, as a pirate, 'cause that's what it looked like in this episode. And you know what I was thinking about when you said that, because I rewatched the episode again earlier today. And it's so weird because if you think about the way that he carries himself when he's in red, it is so different from the way he is in civilian dress. He really like when he stormed out of that tent to go find out what he could. I was like, he does have a little bit of a Jack Jack Sparrow swagger.

11:42 He does he have a swagger to him. That's why I was like, and then the jacket he had on his whole outfit, like he was carrying himself like it. It was hot. It was a nice swagger. Yeah, yeah, it was nice. I just kept hearing that in my head when you talking about him being a pirate. And then the eye patch doesn't help. She doesn't, but you know, the long cold stuff. It's like he's about to join the Black Pearl. I I just right? But anyway, so William goes to Jamie, gets him to come with him to help. And even though that part was supposed to be serious, there was a small spark of not necessarily happy.

12:23 But when Jamie was trying to break into the the meeting house where she was and he was using this little technique and William asked me, he said, what are you doing? And he said, it's something that my daughter showed me. She read in the book. And William was like the young lady I met in Williamsburg. And then it just it dawned on him and he was like my sister. And Jamie turned around, looked at him like, oh, shit, yeah, your sister. And again, I really, even though we know that where things kind of ended with this, with this episode, and we do have some questions about whether or not Brianna and Rodger are going to come back or whatever. I really want them to have the option to for those two to explore a relationship because I think that will also go a long way.

13:15 And to William accepting who he is in in this family as, as Jamie's son, because as you can see, he got some of the answers he wanted in this episode, but he's still, he's still very angry. He's still very like, I'm not ever going to call you father, that sort of thing. But I thought when when he says and he says my sister is kind of like one of those things where he starts thinking like, oh, wait a minute, this might not be as bad as I thought it was. Because not only are you dealing with the fact that this man is your father, but there's other family out there you got to think about now, like, oh shit, I have a sister that I met and didn't know she was my sister. So, you know, all of that's got to be in his head too, but. And then he's probably thinking, does she know? But I think she knows the way she was talking to me is that's what he's replaying back that conversation. Like, oh, she wasn't being flirty. She was saying this because she knew I was her brother. Yep.

14:18 Yeah. When she when she was like, yeah, if I had met you before, I would have remembered any other time that could be taken as flirtation because, oh, you're an attractive guy. Yeah, if I met you, I'd remember that. But no, she was like, like, you're my little brother, but I can't say you're my little brother. And you could kind of see a little bit of excitement on her face, even though she was doing her best to try to, you know, kind of tamper it down. So I I really hope that they do get to explore that in the next season. But going back to Jane, Jamie and William, they get into the meeting house, and this is like a little bit over a week that she's been gone now, because we see when they're talking about Claire and Jamie, we do see a time stamp. It says one week later.

15:06 We were like, oh, they're OK. At least they're giving us, you know, an idea of how much time has passed. But they get the keys from a guard. They knock the guard out. They get the keys. William goes upstairs. He's like, Jane, it's me, I'm here. And when he walks in the room, Jane has committed suicide. And it's one of those things where it was harder to see it than it is to read it. Because reading, yeah, you have your your own visual. You're, you're kind of imagining the setup and how they're doing it. But to actually see it and to know that if she had just waited just a little bit longer, I mean, of course we know she didn't know that anyone was coming to save her. And as far as she knew, she was, she was about to be hung. So I guess if you have to, being the type of person that she is, if you have to die, she's the type of person who's going to do it on her own.

16:11 Of. Course, she's going to do it, you know, not have that taken away from her. She's she's going to be the one that's in control of that. And not by men. That too, especially not by those men, not by the British Army, the ones who, you know, are OK with the type of person Captain Harkness is, but they want to turn around and frame her for such a heinous crime that she didn't even commit in that way. So yeah, I was just Williams reaction was so heartbreaking. It was it, It really was. And when?

16:52 We got and then they even got Jamie, like, Oh my goodness. Yeah, because again, they're Catholic, so for them suicide was a sin. Right. But just just OK, so you got imagine from my perspective without reading books, when you see William the lie, he's he's very in control it except for the time when he found out that he was a bastard. So he's just just just straight laced. But he is like broken down when he is holding her and it just seeing Jamie like see that like, Oh my goodness, like the all these feelings.

17:35 But you know, it's like a combination of feelings for him, though, It's the feelings he had for her, just the feelings he had because he was able to share with her. The feelings of I'm a bastard trying to figure out my place in the world, the changes that I'm making. I'm I was responsible for her. Life is shit right now, all of that. It's just the. Fact that she didn't care about the fact that he was a bastard. You know, like they, they had a genuine connection. And then also, you know, and, and we keep talking about William and his limited view and, and the way he was raised. You have to think he's never had to encounter something like this before. Just like he was on the the battlefield of the first battle Saratoga.

18:21 And soon his friend died. That's the first time he's ever had to do that. That's the first time he's ever been in a situation one day he couldn't control like you said to that, that just that couldn't be fixed. You know, whether it be by Lord John, whether it be by his status, his titles, him bringing Jamie thinking. OK, yeah. So Jamie wouldn't know how to get them out. You know, like, like Jamie said earlier when William was like, well, if you don't help me, I'd do it myself. And he was like, if you could do it yourself, you wouldn't have come to me. Right. And you can't, I can't do it myself. I don't know what I'm doing. Right. But just the fact that you, you tried to take all these precautions, you tried to plan for this so well. And again, if if she had hung on just maybe a couple more hours, they probably could have gotten her way. There would have been some other issues, of course, with them breaking out a, a, a prisoner.

19:21 But you just know. And you could see it on his face, just the heartbreak for everything. Him not being able to protect her, him feeling like he failed her, him trying to go through all of these emotions because even though he didn't tell Lord John that he loved her, we know he felt something. He did, you know. And, and the, the possibility of that not being explored, it's just like there's so many things that he has to go through now. And then also you have Fanny to think about. Like I, I told you, I told her that she wouldn't get hung, but you never accounted for the fact that she would take her own life. And that might be coming back with her. Right.

20:09 I was going to say something, but we're not there yet. No, we're not there yet. We will. We will get to that part. I know exactly what you were about to say. We will get to that part. That we have all of this for it to be different at the end. OK OK I'm I'm I'm patient yeah yeah. So. But it it it it was it was definitely sad and that he didn't make it in there in time to savor just to just a collection of feelings that he had to go through and stuff. So, yeah, but the one thing that I hope he can appreciate and see, because Lord John was trying to tell him about Jamie, like you can see just the care that Jamie takes. So he can't be all that bad as you want to put him as bad. He like literally like, OK, I'll help you set her down 1st. I'm gonna help you get her, which you thought, 'cause you know, I'm a criminal.

21:06 But I'm laying her down. I'm like, cut her hair. Her sister's gonna want a piece of her, you know. OK, let's go. I'm gonna take her sister and she gonna hang out with our family. So dude, do you not understand how honorable a man your your your daddy is? Yeah, but he's got a, you know. Like he went, he didn't have to do. Like he could have helped you. And then once she was dead, like, OK, pieces, but he literally was taking care of the afterward part. Like she was someone that belonged to you. Like she was it was a loved one.

21:46 Like it was almost like your wife. I'm going to take care of her. OK. We'll help, you know, we'll figure out where she's buried. We'll give the little sister the hair. We'll even take care of the sister. You could come visit. As long as she with me, she's taken care of. Yeah, he do all that. Yeah, you're right. So right. But here's the here. Here's the thing about that, though. Like father, like son, because just like he sees all of this stuff and he's still mad at Jamie. You got Jamie still being an ass to Laura, John, when Laura, all he did was come to see how Claire was because he heard that she had gotten shot. Now, this is a person who again, and and you and I have both said it. We gonna take out the fact that this man has been raising your son.

22:36 We gonna take out the fact that this man is in love with you. This man saved your wife from death not once, but twice within the same period. He kept her from being hung. He kept her from killing herself. Although again, I don't think Jamie knows any of this because the way he looked when Claire. He did. He was like what, you mean save you? Yeah, when she was like, I never properly thanked you for saving my life. He's looking like what? And I'm like, I know you heard the explanation she gave when she talked to you about why she and John ended up doing what they did. Like, I don't again, I don't think they were plain enough with him.

23:22 I don't think he understands just how close he was to losing his wife. I don't think they told him that they got married because she was about to be hung for a traitor. And I don't even know if if Lord John knows that Claire was going to kill herself that night. I just know that he knows what condition she was in and he understood that, right? And even if she didn't kill, losing her life, right? And even if she didn't kill herself, she would have not eaten or she just wouldn't just let herself go, right? Which? But he's still mad, he said. He pissed me off. Too and you and.

24:02 Then call her that. Right. And you acting all jealous? Dude, you got nothing. Nothing to be jealous of, just look at insecure. I'm still mad because he needs to let it go and I'm I'm almost with and I want Claire to say OK this is enough. She should have said that in her bed instead of instead of waiting for them to have that. Yeah, just. Like get over the shit, it's over. Because here's the thing, I think Lord John, when Lord John said, do we need to have another conversation about the whole Philadelphia thing? And Jamie kind of looked at him and he was like, no, Jamie didn't want to hear what Lord John was going to have to say, because Lord John was probably going to give it to him with both barrels.

24:46 Be like, OK, look, so this is what I meant when I said we were both fucking you, blah blah blah. Jamie didn't want to hear none of. That no. He wants to still be angry, but do. You let it go, let it go. They may have saved your wife. He just saved your son. Yeah. And not only that, he risked your ire to come and make sure that Claire is all right. Not because he's in love with Claire, but because Claire is his friend Claire. Right. And he cares for Claire and. And always has. Yeah. So, like, it's not, I don't know, it's something about when you save each other's lives that changes the friendship. I mean, this goes all the way back to when she saved him with the measles when they had that little powwow and they got kind of got those clear feelings out the way. And Claire was like, basically, yeah, I know you in love with my husband.

25:46 Oh, OK. You are an uncomfortable woman. When they were able to have that full, full conversation with each other, I think he knew how she felt. She knew how he felt, but she also understood, OK, as much as he loves Jamie, he's not going to cross that line because he has something more important, which is the friendship and which is William. And he said as much in there morning after so I don't know what it's going to. Take for Jamie, for him to to get over it, Yeah, I don't know. But it's it's starting to. It still bothers me. It does. And if this wasn't Outlander and it was another show, like if it was one of our sci-fi shows, I'll be thinking that that's not Jamie.

26:34 Yeah. I I get you. But I mean, that's an imposter because at some point they do. But after after you didn't, after you have been with your wife who was about to die and she is better, you also get clarity. And this ain't your first time being by her bedside when she's about to die. So at this point, I'm like, I don't really care anymore. I'm just happy that she's alive and we gonna go home to North Carolina. But you all of a sudden, that man is come to see her. And you, you like you 10 years old, but when? He came out and he said, do not call her that. I know.

27:19 Both of us shook our head. We we, we watched the episode together last night and both Michelle and I just looked at each other. It's like, like, oh Lord. I said, oh, Michelle is going to be mad at him because you had just gotten a little bit better with him last year and now kind of like he's back on your shit list. He is. But like I said, like father, like son. I mean, and it it other things, but in it, but other stuff in the episode has helped, you know what I'm saying? Helping William with Jane and her sister has helped. Holding Claire above the pot so she can pee has helped. Helping her see if there's blood or not, that has helped. That was so funny because Claire was like, can you step out the room?

28:08 I was like, Claire, you know, not to be vulgar. That man has probably seen it. I mean that man has seen every inch of you, probably tasted every inch of you, you and you really been about to be modest about having to having to. Pee at the pee. Girl, if you don't gone somewhere, if you don't go somewhere. He was just looking at her like, OK, whatever. You can't even hold yourself over the pot, so clearly you need. But what is it? I said, And Lord John said the same thing. Doctors don't make the best patients. Because she's trying to check out his eye. Can you take the patch off so I can see your eye? Boo you on your on your deathbed. Honey, we I'm fine. Right.

28:49 Oh, don't, don't, don't empty the don't empty that bucket because I want to check and see if there's blood in my urine because my right kidney is feeling a little sore. You just got shot, dear. That that's what that is. Why don't you let the other doctor handle it? Even though Denzel, I would Denzel was like, I don't want to do that again. He was like, he was like, it was stressful. It's one thing to do it on people that you don't know, but to do it on somebody that's family. No, I don't want to do that again. Don't make me do that again. You better not ever get shot again. Nothing. But he was like, that is stressful. Like, no, he's not. Like he was about to cry. I never want to do that again. I was like, I know you don't, I know you don't.

29:33 But we got to talk about another visitor that Claire had, even though I believed that was just in her mind. But we got to talk about Master. Raymond, Master Raymond. Yeah, 'cause when 'cause you know, she was, she was, I was like, what is happening to her? So she's breathing. And then he said something really quick, and that's when I heard his voice. He said when he realized that's that's what he realized. I knew something was happening because she was sleeping. And as she was sleeping, you could see the room getting lighter, like she was almost kind of illuminated. So when she was illuminated and then you look over at the curtain because she woke.

30:18 Well, of course I, I think she was asleep during this whole time, but she woke up, she realized somebody was coming through the curtain and you kind of see them come. I heard him say Mada and the minute he said Mada, I didn't have to hear the whole word. I knew who it was because he was the only person that called her that, but I was surprised because I'm like, what the fuck is Master Raymond doing here? So one of the things about this episode, we did get a lot of snippets of past episodes you get and and they did this in the last episode as well when they were talking about the battle sequences. And what was it that Claire started the episode with? She said, she said people who people who want to go to heaven don't want to die, don't want to have to die to get there. And then you start seeing all of the the montages of everyone battling.

31:15 You get to see Rupert and Angus, you get to see Google, you get to see all this stuff. So in this one as well, you get to see kind of snatches of people from the past. So when Master Raymond shows up and he starts talking to her, you get to see a little bit of that visual of the of the bird flying that we saw in the faith episode. You know, they're having a conversation. And she asked him what he is doing there because he was like, are you trying? Did you try to die on us again? And she was like, not on purpose. I got shot. And he was like, it's not your time yet. And he says, I came to ask your forgiveness. And she said for what? He said someday you'll know. And he kisses her hand.

31:59 He leaves. You see the image of the birds again. And then she she lays back on the bed and she has tears coming out her eyes. But then you see her eyes closed, and then the room gets dark again. And so I was like, yeah, she totally saw that in her head. It was just a vision because Jamie is sitting there. He's like, nobody came in. Nobody was here. And she was like, yeah, I think Master Raymond was here. I thought I saw him. And then she asked, she tells Jamie. She said when I when I was, when I had faith, when I was dying, he he was there for me. And then she asked the question.

32:41 She says, do you think that when I die I'll get to see her again? I'll get to see our daughter. And Jamie is like, yes, I think you'll see it. And I was like, OK, that's really sweet. I did not expect where they were going to go with that whole thing. So what happens later on in the episode, Of course, after everything that happens with Jane during the earlier part of the episode, Claire asked Jamie to take her home. He she was like, can we go home? Because I think Claire's like at this point. I'm done. I'm done. It's been three years. It's been three years since they left the Ridge. Yeah, I'm done. They've been through war, they've lost people. She got shot.

33:24 And I think she was like, OK, you know what, Long live the revolution, but we go Long live it from the Ridge, 'cause I'm not doing this anymore. Like that was, that was too close enough, right? So after everything happens with Fanny, like you said, Jamie tells Fanny that they she can come live on the Ridge with them. They will take care of her and everything. They go to try to find Jane's grave and she is basically she's buried in a yard with a whole bunch of other graves. None of them are identified. She can't find her sister and she kind of has a breakdown. She and Claire have a a really nice conversation about remembering Jane and how she's always in her heart. And then she gives Fanny a pack, a, a, a package of items that Jane had on her when she was arrested. And out of one of these out out of this thing, she pulls out a Locket and she opens up the Locket and Claire's like, oh, is that a picture of Jane?

34:27 She says, no, this is our mother. So Claire asked to see the Locket. And when she looks at the Locket, her face changes because she's looking like she knows who the person is, but it's just a pencil sketch, a drawing. But when she closes the Locket, the name Faith is on the Locket, and this is Jane and Fanny's mother's name. OK, Now, at this point when all this is happening, I'm just thinking, oh, this is just kind of one of those things where signs start falling into place telling you that this is certain things you need to do.

35:10 So I'm just looking at all of this as a sign to Claire and Jamie, yes, you need to go home. You have another person that you're responsible for and maybe Faith is is bringing this person to you at that that. That's as far as my mind was thinking, OK. Well, well, my mind went left and I've hidden Hanukkah light. You didn't tell me. I think this is about to happen and I. Was wrong. I was like, what? Because you didn't know why I was hitting you. Because I was like, I think this is about to happen. But she should have. She would have mentioned this to me. Because in my mind I'm thinking, oh, when she saw faith, I'm like, oh, they're trying to say that's her faith. And that's why Master Raymond was like, please forgive me because it's all in the same episode. But I'm like, let me keep watching. Because Hanukkah would have indicated that when I asked about James.

36:10 Jane and her sister, she would have been like, oh, yeah, there's so much more to that story. Yeah. And like I said. But I'm like, OK, maybe that's a theory. Maybe that's a theory. Maybe I'm wrong. Right. So then when they're getting ready to go, they're, they're packing up the wagons and everything to get ready to leave for the rich. Blair hears some singing coming from the church and she kind of ignores it at first, and then she hears it again and she turns around and she starts walking towards the church and you start hearing the tone and the words and then they do the whole flashback thing. It's the same song that she was singing to Faith when she was holding her dead baby in her arms in the in the hospital. So she walks into the church.

37:03 She's like, kind of weirded out. You can tell by the look on her face. She was like, wait, what? Because this is also a song that did not exist in the 1700s. This is a song from Claire's original time. So she walks into this church. She looks, and Fanny is the one singing the song. So Claire is like, how is it that you know this song? And Fanny says, my mother used to sing it to us. And Claire is looking and she's starting to think about certain things. And then we kind of see the flashes of her and Jane. And then you see her holding faith and Master Raymond saying forgiveness. And it's just like a whole bunch of images. And then Jamie comes in to tell Claire they're ready to leave. And he looks at her face and he was like, what's wrong? And she looks at him and she says, I don't think faith died. I think our faith is alive.

38:03 And that's where the episode is. And I'm sitting there looking like the hell. Because So there is a term that is used in television and it's called jumping the sharks. And there's basically when you have a storyline and a plot device that like literally goes over your head, it goes into the far depths of space. Like how in the hell did we get from here to there with this? And that is the way I'm looking at the end of this episode. Because as soon as she said it and Michelle and I looked at Michelle was like, that's what I thought. I was like, how in the heck?

38:53 How did you think that? Because I'm sitting here thinking back to the episode where she loses faith, OK? Right, the baby was clearly. Was clearly dead. And not even only clearly dead. The baby wasn't even fully formed because she was not at full term yet. The baby had fingers, but no fingernails, no toenails. She had no eyelashes. Her mouth was still sealed shut. Her nostrils weren't formed. This is still a an embryo that was maybe a month, two months away from full development.

39:35 So it's kind of like, it doesn't make sense to me that this would be faith now. But but what got me is now you made William and Jane. Uncle and niece if that is the case. And then they have a big different. And they had sex and now it's like this is getting all complicated. Right. And rememberingly complicated. Remember we were talking about the last episode and I was telling you about what happens with Buck in the books as far as him and Galas and and the the kind of insinuation that they ended up having a sexual relationship.

40:23 Did they see that's the thing. It's kind of left open to interpretation, but the but the implication is yes, they they did do something. OK, so I was saying I hope they didn't do that in the show because again, that's that's very weird. Even though galas would not have known Buck was her son and Buck had literally just found out that galas was his mom. So that didn't appear that they were going to do that in this in the show. OK, great. But now you introduce this whole thing with, with William and Jane and Faith and and Fanny and Claire and Jamie and it just makes it not only does it make it just complicated because let's be honest, uncle and niece back in the 1700s, That's not as it's not as unheard of as it is in these days. But at least back then, if you're going to do interfamil interfamilial relationships, everyone is kind of in the know about it.

41:26 Like it's an arranged marriage. It's this, that and the other. It's not unheard of, but it's still kind. It's, it's still weird, but you introducing it in this way with that storyline, for me, it cheapens the story. And not only that, but it turns it from something that could have been really sweet, really poignant, especially given the way that William reacted to Jane, Like after that first night in the Bronx, 'cause I mean, if you think about it, even in the brothel, he didn't want to. She was the one who initiated that. And then after that, every time she's tried to come at him, he was like, no, no, no. Now, if you're trying to put it that there was something that William felt about her and that was why he kept her at arm's length, OK, I guess whatever.

42:21 But to do it in this way, again, it takes the sweetness out of the story. It just makes it. It makes it so it. And just it buddy, it buddies the water. And then what it also does is this should have happened like I'm gonna be completely honest with you, this should have happened. If we're gonna do this, it should have happened like last year. So we have time to sort through this so. Yeah. So now we have to. We have one season left, 10 episodes, one season left. We need to tie some things up, but y'all just opened up another can that we didn't need.

43:11 And I'm gonna be honest with you, it sounds like readers didn't want because it won. OK, I throws things. This absolutely does not happen in the. Books. OK, and it's OK, it doesn't happen in the books, but so here's the question, does it? And this is for everyone who is listening. Does it make sense to do this? No, it absolutely it. Doesn't I agree? Even for just the TV watcher, it doesn't. So the only thing I can think of, and I will say this, and let me tell you when I say it was hard as hell to stay off the Internet today because everybody was discussing it and I was, you know how I am.

43:59 I try not to discuss. I try not to get into conversations until we've talked about it here, 'cause I don't want anybody else's thoughts or things that they say tainting me. It was so hard, so hard. But the only thing I can think of is this is a purposeful misdirect. Like they're giving us this information. They're making us think is one thing, but it's going to be something different because I don't, there is no way. I've thought about it all day today. I've gone back and I've looked at the episode twice today. I've gone back and looked at the episode where you know the the snippet where.

44:45 She has the baby. Where she, where she lost Faith, where she's talking, where she's singing to her in the hospital room? I'm looking at Faith's details. They gave it to us. I don't see any way that they could have made that work unless you were trying to say, which could be a thing. You're trying to say that Master Raymond practice in necromancy brought that baby back And then how like however it was that she didn't, he didn't give her back to Claire and Jamie. I mean, probably because they probably would have looked at him like you are a fucking witch. Like the child was very obviously dead. He could have he could have had faith. He could have sent her with someone else to raise. I I don't know, but none of this makes sense and. Again.

45:42 We didn't need it. And then what else doesn't make sense is that Faith would know the song, but where did Claire learn the song? Was it in her time or what she did she learn from her mom? It it it probably wasn't her time. But when, when did she learn that song? I don't know, it's just something she started singing when she was holding a baby. OK, 'cause only other thing I can think of that I thought of throughout today where it could be a misdirect and it may not necessarily be the their faith that they had was.

46:22 I felt like in this episode there were two times where they were setting things up for Blood of my blood. OK. So let's go with oh. OK. What if it's, what if they are related but not 'cause that's your faith, Maybe that's your sister because maybe we don't know who's a traveler. Did your mom travel back, end up having a baby? You know what I'm saying? We don't know. So I thought, well, maybe it's a relative of hers. OK. The other thing that I thought about because I did think something similar, not necessarily. Her mom, when her mom left, her mom just started another family. Yeah, see.

47:09 I the thing that I thought was that maybe at some point, and we don't know this in the we don't know this in the show, and I think it might be hinted at or there might actually be a story about it in the books, but I haven't read that part yet. If Master Raymond is a is a traveler and we know from season 2 that it was kind of, you know, hinted at that he might be because he recognized certain things and Claire. So let's say he's a traveler. Maybe something that he did took him back to when Claire had the baby and maybe he was able to snatch that baby away, do whatever he does.

47:55 But again, it's still it doesn't. Or when they gave Claire a baby that wasn't hers. That's another one I thought of should have done. I thought that that was a possibility. And really we're going by her perspective of what happened. So remember when he was helping her from the infection? That could really been when she had the baby. Cause again, Claire was out of it. I'm just, I was just trying to, I'm just trying to think we're. Trying to wrap our hands around it because it. Doesn't 'cause I'm like well if it's a misdirect then it is a relative due to time travel, the stones.

48:43 Or if it's really faith, how could it be Faith when she had a stillborn baby? But what if it wasn't her stillborn baby? What if there was a twin and they didn't pull the second one out because I again, she was premature. Faith was premature. There have been instances of women who have been pregnant with twins and they deliver one of the twins premature and the other twin is born when they're supposed to. I mean, there's. But if that's the case too, then that was would have been when he said I needed to work on you. Yeah. And then that baby was born and it could that baby, even though it was early, that baby could have still may have been more more developed, developed.

49:31 Sometimes twins do take the other twins nutrients and all that stuff. But that's in the store. So that could be it. But in her mind, she was so out of it and she was in pain. Yeah. And feverish. I, I don't know. It's see. And that's why I don't like 'cause that's making me ask questions. And we've been good. The only questions we're asking is who? What's the lean of time travel now? You making me think, did she have the baby or not have the baby? And was it worth it? Or are we all trying to tie in this lovely Thanksgiving family? That's how it's going to end, with all the Thanksgiving dinner table praising that they have this family because you're making them all connected.

50:16 But I guess the other thing with so if let's say if because I'm still not convinced that what Claire thinks is correct. I don't think her face, but where? Would the song come from and see that's the thing. Has she sung it? Someone else has sung? Where did the song come from? Because this come from another traveler. That's that's my thinking It it has to, but it's just so narrows it down. I mean, like a song that you will sing to your kid is different than songs sing to my kid. And then someone has to know what that song is, but I don't know. It's so it's too much.

51:06 So the thing that I think to be the last season really bothers me about this is if you're gonna come with it now that faith is alive. You mean to tell me that all of that grief, all of that suffering, everything that they went through mourning that child was for nothing? I just I have AI have a heart. But they're gonna continue to mourn because she's not alive now. So then you find you find out she's alive. Do we know in the show? I don't think we know.

51:48 We just we just know that she has to be there because no mother's going to leave her two kids alone where one has to go and work in the whore house. They can if if there's a situation of indentured servitude. Kind of like the beards. I know, but no, we're not going there. I know, but I'm just saying. No, no. Because what you going to rescue? You going to rescue faith? From somewhere you're not going to tell me we can't go there when they went there they are the ones who entered we have to make her faith being alive so at this point the possibilities are endless we. But if she's dead, then that's that's no point because then it's like we find out she was alive, she had two kids and then she died, which people do end up finding that out too. It's just too much.

52:38 So why? Why? I hope it's a missed, missed already. I really hope it is. I think we don't have time for this, but you know what, to be honest with you, we do have time. You will know why we have time because everything is cleaned up. Though to be honest with you, everything is cleaned up. One thing is not cleaned up. But they may never even clean that up. Which which and which is that? Ron Cameron if they never go back, but. Again, I have a feeling that that's going to have to come back into play because again, if if you're ending the Rob Cameron storyline where you left it in 1980 with Brianna coming back, Brianna and the kids did find Roger in this episode.

53:23 That is the one thing that was very straightforward, very straight to the point. Brianna and the kids found Roger. No hesitation, no, no issues, no whatever. They're at Lallybrock. Brianna got a chance to speak to her grandfather, and at the end of the episode, she and Rodger are trying to decide what time they belong in. Are they going to go back to the 1980s? Are they going to go back to her parents? They're they're trying to decide that now. Right. But it's honestly you can tell what they have decided of course, so, so there's no reason to go back to the 80s. So that's the only problem is. You gave us the reveal of the person who was under the mask when Brianna was trying to fight off those people at Lalibroc. So my question would be, why would you do all of that and then tie that string together just for it to have no effect and correct that he's in, We know that he's in this time trying to kill William, trying to get an advantage over Hal and Lord John.

54:28 So it's kind of like, why what? What part of the story is this? Is this also, I mean, shit, at this point he could have something to do with this whole faith thing, like, oh, let's plant this. I mean at this point it could be anything. But I'm just I'm just going, it doesn't. So I'm just going by what we have for next season, a reason why we brought this up because we don't really have anything happening next season, to be completely honest with you. The only thing is the Ron Cameron thing that is it. And if we don't finish it, we would be OK. Because we know that they decided to go back to the time where their mom and dad is and they go back to North Carolina. So we're they run around the house still looking for for Brianna and the kids, but they're not there, right? But there's nothing else.

55:23 So now I think they felt like they needed to give us something else. You would be able to tell me this. Is there anything else happening in the books that could give us something for next season? Because honestly, now it's going to be hard to to have something happen. They go through it and it's the end. Is there other other problems that can arise that can arise? Yes. And I'm going to say this because in not the last episode, the episode before that, when we get the flashback of Lord John and his brother talking about trying to end the war, talking about, you know, you could you could end this before your sons get involved. And you know, how made a mention about his sons and how they have done things to disappoint him before. And we've already met one of the sons. I have a feeling the storyline with the other son is gonna come into play.

56:24 And that's a lot of drama. So we may get we may get Benjamin in next season. I do know that we will meet Hal's daughter next season just based on something one of the other actors said about about them finding love or romance for their character. So I'm like, OK, you can bring the storyline with Hal and his children in. That might take a couple of episodes because they're they're going through the story pretty fast. I mean, if you think about it, this, this particular season pulled largely from the 8th book.

57:10 That 8th book is like I, I don't remember like 809 hundred something pages. So it's a lot of story. They left a lot of stuff out. Like I said, we didn't get any Ferguson, Marsley in this season. No. And we got to have them come back. That's what I'm saying. It's so. 'Cause there's a lot of drama with them too. A lot of drama with them. Right. But we don't have, we don't have enough time. I know we we have. Brought up something else. That's what I'm saying. You brought up something else, and maybe that's something else. Really only will last about one episode to explain it and then they just feel it the rest of the the season and stuff.

57:51 And just at the end, at the Thanksgiving table, be happy that you know they're all together. Thanksgiving table and you and. Well, it's better than what I thought before, but they're going to be at the Thanksgiving table. They're grateful. And then they're going to go out and look over the Cliff and say, this is a lovely life We lead and look at all of our, you know, family and our extended family. William will be there. And he told me that William got other stuff he got to deal with too. So I'm just I'm just like I'm. So even knowing the stuff that I know from the books, I, I again, I still don't understand what the whole faith connection has to do.

58:41 Because even in the books, the, the portrait that Fanny has, the drawing that she has, it's not of her mother, it's of Jane. It's a very, it's, it's a charcoal drawing that one of the, one of the guys who came to the brothel, one of Jane's regular customers drew of her. Fanny keeps that and it becomes a big thing because, well, that's a book spoiler, but it it it plays into the story for a couple of other characters, but it doesn't have anything like, I just don't understand what the whole faith connection would be. It makes no sense for them to introduce that now. And I and OK, let me say this.

59:29 I do understand 1 Diana has not written the 10th book. Yeah, so the showrunners don't. I will say this well, the showrunners and Diana both have said they know what Diana's ending is for the books. They have been told that much. As far as the journey that the characters take to get to that particular point, that has not been explained to them. And they do have the freedom to craft their own story to end the show. The way that they want to end it, they have already. Right, this sounds like a A Game of Thrones issue. Well, here's the thing, they've already said that they are not going to end the show the way that Diana ended in the books because one, they don't want to spoil her book ending for the book.

1:00:22 And I got that. But then they're going to get them through a journey and they end up in a place where we can see them continuing on in the book. I and see, that's the thing I don't know. The only thing I do know is that Diana knows what they have planned for the 8th season. And she's OK with it. And she's OK with it. She was like, and I'm I'm. OK with that, that she's OK with it. I still got questions about how she was OK with this, but hey, I'm seeing a small part. See that's the thing. We're seeing a small part once we see all of we have questions now and it's OK to have questions, but. That's one hell of a cliffhanger to end the. It is. That's what I'm saying.

1:01:02 I feel like it should be one more episode next week because we don't have one more episode. Yeah. We don't know when when Season 8 is going to premiere. I mean, they did put out a little teaser after the finale yesterday saying Outlanders not over yet. We still have one more season coming soon. That's all they said. Yeah. So it's maybe either late this year or very early next year, because we also do know that Blood of My Blood is premiering this summer, right? And maybe. We get something in that because we got something in this episode when Brianna's talking to her grandfather. I felt like that was setting up pieces for us to learn about how their love came to be and how she's very similar to Brianna.

1:01:47 All those things I know, but I, I'm just, I don't know. I, that's what I'm saying. Maybe it's her mom, Not maybe. Maybe Faith isn't. I don't know. At at this point I don't even know. Come up with guesses anymore? Yeah, because we literally, we literally could put something on a, on a circle and we could spin the circle and throw a dart and come up with a, a scenario that would probably make sense if you, I don't know, it's like, it's like the guy who's sitting there with the board and he's got the strings connecting one point to this point, to that point to that point. I feel like that's where we are with this whole faith thing. Because again, why would you introduce that now? It makes no sense.

1:02:38 That baby was clearly dead when Claire was holding it and singing to it. She very clearly talked about the description of that child when she was, when she was telling her, when she was telling Jamie about Faith. She was like, she didn't, she had fingers and toes, but no fingernails. She didn't have her eyelashes, her eyes, you know her. I mean, the detail that they went into with this, this, I guess it was a doll of Faith. Like you could tell the lips were still sealed. The eyelids were still sealed there. The skin was still translucent. Yeah.

1:03:20 So yeah, it's got to be Mr. Rhett. It has to be Mr. Rhett, because anything else doesn't make sense. Especially like you said, how the hell would she know that song? How would she know that song? I don't know. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. There has to be another traveller involved, or like I said, Master Raymond did something akin to necromancy and I just don't. I'm gonna go with you. It's too nice to introduce that. It's too much to introduce.

1:04:01 That two we got enough supernatural and fantastical things happening in this show, we don't need to add necromancy to it. And then, well, I'll go with you said another theory that would be more plausible. But then it isn't Faith though, because if she did have twins and he, she did deliver later when she was out of it, that second baby and he didn't tell her, that really could be. And he could have named the baby Faith, but that's still different because she still lost a baby and they're two separate entities. But he just named the second one Faith that that would be more plausible, that would be more palpable to us watching it without thinking why?

1:04:59 Because that could make sense to me. That can make sense that no, that's not faith that you held and sang to, but it is the faith that oh, oh, I got it. Oh, OK, he had a twin. He took the twin. He travels with the twin. She did travel back, saw her mom singing to her sister older, learn the song and say and then when she finally got settled and had her own kids she sunk it to her kids. I mean, that could kind of make sense. And that's kind of along the lines I was thinking, I was, so I was thinking if there's a twin and Master Raymond kept that twin for whatever reason.

1:05:53 I'm thinking if it was something to that extreme, he probably kept the baby to protect it because it, if you think about it, and this goes back to something you said several, several episodes ago, when it comes to travelers, you don't know who you're interacting with and what impact your interactions are having on other people and how that'll affect your your family in the future. You don't know who could be after you. Like obviously if Brianna and Rodger and Claire can go back and forth through time just for each other, it stands the reason if there are other travelers who are aware of them, who may be aware of what kind of impact they're having or that sort of thing, they could be targets for other travelers. We.

1:06:45 Talked about this before. It could be a society that actually monitors this and don't know. Some watchers or telemaster type shit. Right. That's what I'm saying, like a small little group just to make sure that people don't do things that they're not supposed to do, which still goes with taking the baby. But you don't know what happened because the baby could have been sick and he didn't know if the baby was going to survive. Maybe he took the baby to a different time. You see what I'm saying? You, we don't know, but that would be the only one where we can be like, 'cause you still mourn the original faith, but this was your other baby that you did not know about.

1:07:26 Yeah, it's his bonus, which still makes the Williams stuff a little icky, but at least they didn't get married and have kids. And he just, he helped, he helped her. She helped him get through something, I mean start to get through what he needs to get through and her passing and what she went through helped the connect the family. That's the only thing we can say that was a A+ for what their relationship, but that would be the only reason like the faith and I'm going to say faith too. Traveled back, got to see her mom sing to her dead sister and kept that song and sung it to her kids.

1:08:17 That is the only way the whole. Thing is messy. Raymond is saying I'm sorry for not telling you about that second child. It's. The whole thing is messy. I mean, regardless of what we find out, it is whether if Faith did somehow survive, whether it's a different child, whether I don't know, Master Raymond went back and saved the original, I mean. It's hard to go back this cause Claire would know if he went back to save the original child because but just just think it's a also good reason why he may have taken the baby because at that time do we know what was really going to happen between Claire and Jamie at that point? No, because Jamie was in.

1:09:06 He was in the Bastille for the door with Randall. Didn't know if Claire. Well, you know, what if Claire, if Claire would have died, then that would have been difficult. If the child was alive, if the child was a traveller, didn't have anyone else. Because, you know, even if the child had been raised by Jamie, there's only so much Jamie would have been able to teach that child about traveling because he was not the traveler in the relationship, right. So he may have thought this is not a good situation and this is all I can go with. But it's just some, it's to sum, just to sum it all up. They really just screwed us over. Yeah.

1:09:50 Yeah. They they took, they took a storyline. That was consistent. I'm sorry. It has been consistent like everything to me. And I know I don't know all the details and how they switch people up, but everything that's happened has been so consistent and right, especially with those like this is right. But this through this, even with me being mad at Jamie, I can understand. I do understand he's gonna, it'll take him a minute. He's still gonna have some feelings about it. I get it. I'm just, you know, just messing around. But this is so not like feel like the story to me. It's just my opinion.

1:10:39 It just don't feel like it. But I'm hoping that once we see what happens, it will all make sense and it will feel. Yeah, I it's almost like we were traveling in Florida and also ran into a like, snowy mountains. Like where did that come from? Right, right. Like that's. Not part of the landscape at all. Like if you wanted an emotional impact for the episode, I mean, we had plenty of emotion in this episode. We did. We did with the death we find out that at Ian finds out he's about to become a father and literally immediately after that happened is we get the death of Rolo emotional impact like you, you're dealing with you. You have Jamie and William having the conversation. William asked how he came to be.

1:11:37 Jamie gives him as much information as he can. But the, the, the lovely thing about that conversation, and we'll go back to the other thing, but the lovely thing about that conversation is every time that you've heard William talk about his mother, you always hear the things people have said about Geneva, but they've always been explained in kind of a negative way. Oh, she was reckless. She was this, she was that. And Jamie was like, she was courageous. Did, did they tell you that? Did anybody who knew her tell you that? Did they tell you she was bold? She was confident, She was like, Jamie gives Wood something I think he needed, which was a positive way to think about his mother.

1:12:20 Cuz all he, all he's ever heard was the, the bad stuff. You know, the things that they label us as women, that's supposed to be bad, that's supposed to be negative that we're not supposed to be, We're not supposed to be loud. We're not supposed to be bold. We're not supposed to be confident. We're not, you know, we're supposed to be demure. We're supposed to stay in our place. We're supposed to not talk that sort of thing. And that's especially true for the 1700s. So the fact that Jamie was able to give him that and then also to kind of settle his fears because he was like, do you regret it? Do you regret it? And Jamie was like, I regret he was, you know, Jamie was like, she died because of it. And I will carry that to my, you know, I would carry that to my grave. I will, you know, repent for that, show remorse for that until my dying day.

1:13:08 But then he grabs William. He's like, but do I regret it? No. And you can see, it's so strange because you see William smile a little bit because they show flashbacks and you don't know whether this is in Jamie's head or whether it's in William's head. But you see the flashback of William as a six year old giving Jamie the hug when he realizes Jamie has to leave, when he realizes Mac has to leave. And I thought that was such a great emotional touch. But then William comes back to himself and he was like, I will never call you father. And I was like, Yep, like father, like son. Yeah, and that's that sounds like, you know, William is not. That sounds just like a teenager, though.

1:13:49 Yeah. But it also sounds like. Jamie like you get him, you like you, you had him. He, he was melted. And it's like I'm not gonna let him see me melt, but it's not gonna call you daddy. But. We have all of these emotional impact moments. You have Claire talking to Fanny in the graveyard about remembering Jane, remembering how they used to, you know, their mother used to take them to see the fire, the dragonflies. And you have also that connection too. But again, the whole faith thing, they didn't need to do it in that way. I don't think it will serve the storyline and it was just an emotional tug for no reason with no payoff. And granted yes I know season finale cliffhanger, that's kind of how you do things you leave people wanting. But that was especially if drought Lander is about to be another year plus.

1:14:48 That was not the cliffhanger y'all should have left us on because you already have people who are pissed because it takes y'all more than a year to come back. Like we complain about these long hiatuses all the time. I'm used to network TV, I'm used to cable. Like you get a show in the fall, it goes on hiatus in the spring, it comes back in the fall. Not these. I mean, I think the longest drought Lander we had as far as the show was like almost two years. So I just, I, I don't know what they were going for doing this, but I, I will say as far as the season finale, everything for me was great except for that and, and the fact that that's how you ended it. It's just kind of, I don't want to say it killed how I was feeling about the finale, but again, I'm confused. It doesn't make sense like it is. And and we only have 10 episodes next season and that's what that's that part, that's that's right there. That is it.

1:16:05 That's that part right there. Because now we got to get Bree and Rodger to Claire and Jamie, because we already know that's where they're going. They're not going back to the 1980s because what's going to happen to go back to the 1980s? Roger's going to end up killing Rob Cameron. And then we got a whole new set of problems, and we don't need that. Just go back to your. Parents OK, so that's where you want to be, you got. Ian and Rachel about to have a baby. So you got to tell that story. You got to tell the story of them even getting back to the Ridge. Like I said, they've been gone three years now. You got to talk about that they have to bring in the whole story about Richardson because why bring in the story about him trying to kill William, him trying to get advantage over Lord John and how and not finish that up.

1:16:56 You got to bring in Ferguson, Marsley, because we know they filmed scenes for Season 8 and like I said, they have a lot of story, especially in the last few books. So you got to bring those in. That's five things there. So even if they take an episode for each of those things, you still got 5 episodes. Are you? You got to get some kind of resolution with William, Jamie and Lord John. OK, You got to get that. They're going to have to show us a little bit of something about Fanny integrating in with the family. I know that that doesn't have to take a whole episode, but this is a child who has been through trauma after trauma after trauma, right? They're gonna have to deal with that. OK.

1:17:49 There are at least three things that I can think of in the books that they will probably bring the screen. But it's like we. That's a lot of story to tell in such a short time. And granted, I think they can do it because they they did all of what they did in this back half of the season and seven episodes. So OK, maybe they can do it. But what I don't want them to do, like you said, I don't want them to have the Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones effect where they're rushing everything because that won't serve the story. I don't want them to leave us with loose ends unless y'all are gonna follow through with that suggestion somebody made that a few years down the road. Y'all do a movie to wrap everything up once she releases the 10th book.

1:18:40 But I don't think they're gonna do that because they've already come up with their ending and how the story ends. So it's just, I don't know, the, the ending of this episode frustrated me. It really did. I thought everything else was beautiful. I I loved the scenes with William Charles van der Waal, just as William has really kind of like he has embodied that character in a in a huge way. Love seeing those scenes. The young actress who they have playing Fanny, amazing.

1:19:23 You know, everything else that they have done has been on par. I just it, it has been it has been what they're. Doing with that I, I don't. I don't know and even as a non book reader at this time I was going to. Go, she said at this. Time At this time I did at this time but but I could have been OK with it. But then I started thinking about Williams and Jane Jane relationship and then that kind of messed things up. And then it took me back to when Claire did go through losing faith. And then that messed me up.

1:20:08 And then as you sit in it, when you actually when you're watching, you're like completely shocked. But when you sit in it, it's like like, no. But I think I think for you and me, and as soon as she said, I think our faith is alive, I think that was the first thing we said. We were like oh, so that means that William and Jane are related ill. Right, it's like you that that's and then that dismisses their relationship up and. The beautiful story that you told with them. Yeah, it does it to me, it does not. If you listening and you loved it, I love that you loved it, but I can't really go with you right now. And then it's hard for me to take because then I'm like, why you spring this up right before the last season? Yeah.

1:21:00 I, I just, I would have wanted you to have little, little drops of it throughout the years so that when it hit right now, I'll be like, oh, so when that happened. Yeah. That was, oh, it was some extra stuff going on there that we just didn't know about. And I was like, OK, I get it. This I don't get. Nowhere. Yeah, this. Escape out of nowhere. Yeah. OK. So that's all. And I mean, even with her, even with her mentioning faith, that's this is not the first time that she has mentioned faith. They've mentioned faith before.

1:21:43 They mentioned faith even in this season. So now I feel like I got to go back and I got to look at these episodes and see where they mentioned faith and in what context and see if there was anything there that was kind of like peeking from behind the curtain to say, hey, this is going to be a thing later on. So I don't know I, I don't know I. I mean, we can, we can talk circles around that point. Yeah, we can. So I, I'm, I'm done. I just. That's all I have. I it doesn't feel like a season finale again. I feel like it should be one, one more. Yeah.

1:22:27 This faith issue overshadowed everything in the episode and the whole season for me. Yeah, 'cause now I I would have to rewatch the season to remember what has No, no, Ian got married. Never mind. I'm not going to forget that part, however. I know, I don't know why. Like I said, there were. I don't know why things that happened. In this, it was because I, I love that Brianna had a chance to talk with her, her grandfather and it it, it, it was so it was hard because she just couldn't say.

1:23:13 She just made a general like, oh, we make connections with people. Sometimes people remind us of someone, you know, or maybe we have a, a distant, distant, distant, distant relative that we just don't know about. Maybe that's the reason why I feel so, you know, familiar or what not. You know, you kind of make the man feel like he's crazy, but he's not crazy 'cause you know, he was great like I. Said in the books the way her description is, she is the spitting image of her. Mind and and and and then you're tossing your head certain ways yeah, you're going to look like her 'cause you probably have some mannerisms like your grandma that you know about.

1:23:54 So that part beautiful, beautiful that the families all together, it was a picture perfect reunion. Including Buck that was called over. They're all hugging. But did you notice Buck's face when he realized that Brianna and the kids were there? He almost looked disappointed in a way. Because I think now it's kind of like Rodger has found his family. He is whole again. And now this leaves Buck wondering where he belongs. That too, I I saw that and I also saw like my family.

1:24:35 Yeah. I saw a mixture, mixed emotions with him, you know, Ian and Rachel having the baby, Denzel being stressed out that he needs to take, you know, he needs to smoke a joint or something 'cause he's never gone again, have surgery on the loved one. He's like, I'm done. I'm glad I did a great job, but don't call me ever again, right? I don't. Look, look, don't do this shit. Next time we tell you to bring your ass in the church, you bring your ass in the church. You know, we have another family, Rollo, yes, passing, which was horrible, but that is overshadowed by. The whole safe thing.

1:25:26 Yeah. So OK, that's all I have. I have no more. Yeah, I don't, I don't really think there's anything else for us to discuss. Like you said, everything else was just kind of. Yeah. And it just makes it again, it makes it hard to think about certain things because like that William and Jane storyline, I felt like they did it so well. And then for them to taint it at the end. Yeah. It's possible to build and and the and the here's the crazy thing. So even if we come back Season 8 and we find out it is a misdirect and they explain what's going on and maybe faith really didn't survive and it has nothing to do with it, the fact that you even put that out there is going to forever taint us.

1:26:23 We will never be able to look at that storyline the same again. We will not be able to look at it without that taint. Nope. So, yeah, I don't, I don't know what they I don't know what they expected from that. And once we get done talking about it, I am going to go ahead and go online and and see what the discussion is. Our Outlander Sasson X sisterhood group here. They had a brunch earlier today where they watched the episode and talked about it. I didn't make it this morning, but I got an inbox today from one of them and she was like, hey, we have a discussion thread going on.

1:27:06 I really want to hear your thoughts. And I was like, I'll let you know as soon as Michelle and I get done recording. So I'm gonna edit this, put it out, and then I'm gonna go see what the Internet has to say. But those of you who are listening and have watched it, I'm really curious as to what your thoughts are on this whole faith reveal and what it could mean. So do us a favor, drop us a comment on our YouTube page, on our Spotify page, on our Facebook page. Get in the conversation. Let us know what you thought about this season finale. The only other thing that I guess we have to talk about is Blood of My Blood is coming this summer. We do have that.

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