Outlander S7E2 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #247

0:24 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here with Michelle and we are discussing the second episode of Season 7. Of Hello. Hello. I cried so much this episode. Like I was trying to hold it together. But it was a. It was a. Emotional stuff. And then when Jim let out that I love you, girl, the damn burst, I was like not a 5 year old making me cry like. Yeah, it was a I wasn't expecting it. Yeah. They they went through a lot in this episode like they did.

1:04 We talked about this in the last episode, how it seems like they're pushing the story forward so. Finally, OK, last episode we got rid of the Brown storyline once and for all. This episode we seemingly got rid of the Christie. Right, and it was quick. He came to confess quickly. Quickly and just just put it all out there like, oh, OK. So Alan Christie, you know, shows up on the Ridge. He's at Malva's grave. Claire comes over to give her condolences. You know, she's like, I'm so sorry for your loss, for your sister and your father. And he starts talking to her about, you know, how much he loves Malvin and how you know she, he was the first person that was able to hold her.

1:49 And he was like, you know, she was so soft and she was so perfect. And she was, you know, I take I took care of her. I made sure she was okay. I was the one who made sure she was fit. And he was talking about all this stuff and you're just, it's just like okay. He's this really protective Big Brother. And then he starts talking about when she was little and he was like, you know, her skin was so soft. And when her privates butted like a rose, we were all like. Clearly looking like what? The hell where I start like as soon as, he said. That when you start talking and stuff, she was like, you see the wheels turn like this is the. Did you kill?

2:30 She was like you kill Malva and it's like she's trying to. You can tell she's holding back all this rage because she was like, if you knew the bullshit I just went through because of all this. But she was like, okay, let me just sit here and get all of this out. So yeah, he talked about how it had been him and Malcolm, they were meant for each other and then they showed that one little scene of him on top of her and she was just look sitting there like I was like, y'all we really could have did without the scene. Like we have imaginations, but I get it. But they had to show us Malva was like he he was the one that was abusing her in love with her. And then of course, she went through the whole thing where she slept with Ian and she slept with the other guy because she was already pregnant with Alan's baby, which we all figured. And which I knew because I I read the books up through that part.

3:31 So I already knew Alan was the father. I just didn't know how they were going to play it in the show. And they did a good job because no one should be like, Where did that come from? Did y'all not see the funeral where he was about laid on top of the coffins? Yeah, you be like. That baby's coffin. Like, yeah, so it's like, oh. He didn't seem like he cared much for her when they were walking around. But clearly something's going on here. Yeah, but I mean, I guess that's the way he had to act when they were out around other people. Like, he still acted like they were close, like that was, you know, he was very protective of her. But we always thought that it was kind of a weird protection of, you know, of her and.

4:21 At this point, I guess he felt like he had nothing else to lose. Because now you, you know, your dad just sacrificed himself for Claire. And even though he didn't seem like he cared that much for his dad, I think he still, I don't know, loved him, respecting him, wanted his approval. And it's just like at this point, he has nobody left, so he's just telling it all to Claire. And he has a gun with him and he tries to shoot himself and and Claire takes the gun. And she was like, no, I can't let you do this. Your father sacrificed himself for me and for you, even though you don't deserve it. He was like, I can't live.

5:02 I. Woop. And now he's dead. And he's dead. Ian was like, no, you can't live. He can't live, Auntie. And the look on Ian's face, you know, he was pissed. Because I believe that Baron was mine and. He was already upset and I think you remember last season, he talked about he would have married now, but they gave it to us. They gave it to us quick. We didn't have to, like literally clear escaped from her fate. In the last episode, now we have the death of Allen in this episode. So that Christie storyline is over. But I noticed that when Claire was doing her little internal monologue and she was talking about Tom Christie and she was like, surely he he was dead by now. I was like, oh, that means he ain't. Dead.

5:54 Maybe he's not dead. He's not dead. I don't think so. I think I don't know if he would have talked his way out of there or. If he would have bartered his way out of it, you know, I think for that governor and for the people of this time, they will probably be more willing to hang a woman than they would a man. Of course he could be. He could be on that boat. He could be free already making his way back to the Ridge. We don't know. But in either case, Alan Christie is dead. I don't think anybody will mourn him. And and Ian definitely wasn't going to give him an opportunity or I would say they weren't going to give the rest of the Ridge folks the opportunity to point more accusations at them. Because at this point you have nothing to prove what Alan has just told you.

6:51 Because the one person who knew everything is now dead. So they're like, yeah, we're just going to bury him up under this tree. And here comes Mrs. Bug looking. And at first I was like, is she going to cause a problem like she was? Like I knew the devil had his grip on Alan Christie. From the moment he arrived on the Ridge, I knew something wasn't right about him. I don't know what he did, but I know you 2. And I knew you wouldn't have killed him unless he deserved it. So let's go ahead and bury this body before quickly. But you know what I was like. Mrs. Bug. Now, we don't know that much about her in the show, OK, we know that she's she's been there with Jamie and Claire. She has kept house for them.

7:36 She has played nanny to, you know, Brianna's well to gym, at least. So we were like, we know her to be this good woman, but the fact that she was so willing to just like, bury a body. I have some questions about Merdina Bug. Because you don't just walk up to a scene of somebody digging a grave for, you know, a person, a person that you know that everybody knows. And then you just like, oh, OK, I'll help you bury the body and don't say nothing. She's shy. In her Yeah, something. But I liked it though, because she came up and was like, huh, yeah, I knew something was wrong. And let's do this quickly before anybody else find out. And then she start helping dig the hole. I'm like, OK, like you.

8:29 First of all, was she walking with a hole like did she have one in her hand? No, she had like a basket. No, she didn't. So I guess Claire and Ian just had extra gardening tools lying around. OK, we'll take it. Yeah, take it. Either way it goes. Alan Christie is gone. Dead and buried, forgotten about. So that's that that string has been tied, Brown. Yeah, we're done with that. Thank you. Thank you. No dragging out, which is what we said last season. We don't have time.

9:09 We don't have time to drag this out. That's why I like the pacing like. As soon the episode started and he started talking, I'm like, what? Damn, we're about to get through this quick, the whole thing? You're giving us the full confessional. Right, right. We had draw this out and there's a scene with Jamie and like, no, we're done. We didn't get to do this last episode. We're gonna do this, this episode and we're gonna finish up. I'm like, OK, I'm. Here for it but the one thing I will say about his confession and what he was saying about. Malva and her change of heart, because she had decided that she couldn't go through with the deception because she loved Claire, you know, And that was one of the things he said that he just, he told her to name Jamie because he figured Jamie would just pay her off and tell her to get the hell on and then they would leave together and be able to raise the baby together.

10:05 So he really thought Jamie was just dumb and going to be like, oh okay, well, I have no proof. Let me go on ahead and just pay her and get this over with. No, Jamie knew he didn't slip with that girl and he was not about to pay you up, so that's where you messed up. But I think the contrast is interesting that Allen gives us the conversation about how she didn't want to go through with it because she loved Claire, how it wasn't right, and then we kind of see his. Recollection of that last meeting, when she was headed to the big house, she was going to Claire. And you know, he told her, look, we can leave. We can raise, you know, our child together. And she was like, Alan, this is not right. And he was like, but I love you. And she looked at him and she was like, but I don't love you. And that was what set him off.

10:50 That was what made him slit her throat. Because she loved Claire enough to not want to continue on with the forest. But then when you hear her dad talking about her, and then what we saw of her character, she was willing to go along with it enough that she tried to poison Claire and her father. Whether she tried to kill him or not, I don't know. I think I think she did. But it's kind of like it's such a contrast, like you love this woman so much that you don't want to betray her, you, you know? And break her trust. That's what you're saying? But at the same. Time she poisoned her at the same time. Right. Probably to get out of the situation because you were like, OK, maybe Mr. Fraser, is the only way I can get out of this situation, the only.

11:37 Way I can get Alan to leave me alone, right? You know. And I can see, I can see that because at the time she doesn't have her dad and Claire not around. She can like how she did kind of seduce maybe Jamie she thought she could. And then she can get away from her brother. Cuz at that point she really was trying to get away from Alan, but then she couldn't. And then Alan set up this plan. She's like, well I can't do that. I'm thinking, but you can't poison people, so why didn't you poison Alan? Right, like you poison Claire and and your father. And then we realized that didn't work. What did you do? You cut Claire's hair, thinking that she would no longer be attractive to Jamie. And because you are.

12:17 I saw a spitting image of her. You know, you're this pale young woman, long brown hair. You know, I guess in in some aspect she was thinking that she would take Claire's place. But I think the problem is, even though she had her womanly wild, as her father said, that she knew how to manipulate men, she knew how to manipulate men who didn't have a Claire. She knew how to manipulate men who weren't Jamie Fraser or who, you know, I would even say with Ian, like maybe she was sweet on him a little bit, but also she couldn't go to Ian because Ian would have made an honest woman of her.

13:02 Right. And The thing is, it's like the dad saying she manipulated it didn't really, you know, I don't feel like it's a manipulation when. Those boys want to get lucky, so I'm confused. It wouldn't took that much. However, you just lay with a lot of them, so you'd only really need to lay with one to say that they got you pregnant. But you continue on and you have a love spell going on in the in the woods and you cut that man fingers off. So you know what? She's a diverse character, you know what I'm saying? She got a lot going on for herself. She's complex there. That's the word. She's complex. Yes. Better word. Because she has a lot going on.

13:44 She does. Right. And I do believe that her dad was telling the truth. She was doing some of that stuff. Yeah. But I think Alan was telling the truth too. I think she did care for Claire. I mean, Claire was probably the closest. I believe that she did care for Claire because there was, there was a couple of times when she looked at her like she wanted to tell her. Allen stopped her. The only thing she did not want to do was the Allen situation. So I can see her doing crazy stuff to get out the Allen situation, but she could have did the easier move and poisoned him. You know she. Not the dead she, really. Could have.

14:24 You could have poisoned Allen. But at the same time, if you poison Allen. You don't have the quote UN quote mastermind to help you get out of this situation, because if you poison Allen and he dies, you still have to figure out what you're going to do as far as this baby and who you're going to pin fatherhood on and stuff. And I just don't think. I think you should have went. I'll be honest with you in that situation. Think of the poison. Dad and brother hope for the best and you come out the situation. Needing someone to be your be the father you have slept with let's say at least two men. You pick one and out of those two men I will go with Ian because Ian is related to Jamie.

15:10 So you know Ian has some resources and he can take care of you and when you get to a point when you no longer want him, you poison him and then you become the Black Widow. I'm just saying this is this is but that's this is maturity talking. She wasn't mature, so she just didn't poison the right people. She wasn't. And then in that, in that day and time, like women who are of the intelligence of Claire and Brianna during that time were few and far between. A lot of the women in that time, and especially we see on the show, a lot of them know how to use their bodies to get what they want. Not too many of them know how to use their minds to do the same.

15:54 And I would see that of, I would say that of mouth with Christy, especially because her father kept her so sheltered and he kept her so restrained, You know, he didn't really want her reading. I do understand that, but she knew more than some other women who have some more experience. I'm just saying she did. In certain, in certain. In certain in certain areas, however, it is horrible what her brother did to her. So it's like, but to me that would be the first person I would try to get rid of. So I don't even know how she feels about because we can't take Alan's perspective on things in the in the video we see that, not the video, the flashback.

16:39 We do see that she didn't care for it, but like what she conflicted. Did she do? Did she really care for her brother? You understand? We don't. That's the part we don't. We don't have where it was probably the reason why she didn't poison, because she maybe did care for her brother but hated what he was doing to and we don't know. Now Dad is a different story because we don't know. She did find out that that wasn't her dad. Like we don't know. We didn't really never get her, her her thoughts about things. Probably did care about Alan, just because. I mean, if you think about the way that he describes it like. He was the one that was always there for her, and even though what he was doing to her was horrible in some sense, she probably still looked at it as he's still the only person who has ever been there for for me. You know, he protected her from their dad's beatings. You know, he stood up for her.

17:35 He like like he said he fed her. He took care of her when their mother was executed and they had to go live with the aunt, He said their aunt barely fed them. He was the one that made sure that Malva was fed. So maybe. Maybe it was more a sense of obligation on her part, like OKI hate what he's doing and I don't want to do this anymore. But maybe she just felt like she couldn't completely turn her back on him. You. Know, right. And that would be why she wouldn't poison him. And then The thing is, I feel, I don't feel bad for Alan, but however, he did truly believe that she felt the same way. I don't know how because if you looked at the loop the the two little.

18:22 Flashbacks we had. He wasn't even looking at that. He just like they were together and he probably got that. She cares for me, but it's the caring for me because I'm a brother and I took care of her and he's seeing. It in a whole different way because he looking all surprised when she said I don't love you. Well, OK, so again, we're talking about in the 1700s. That little flashback we had of him where, you know, he was, he was on top of her and you know, she was just laying there, kind of nonresponsive. Other the other flashback where they were laying in bed together, he was holding her stomach and she again was laying in bed. No emotion on her face.

19:05 No, I mean, she was blank man back then. Didn't really care about women in their feelings and whether or not they, you know, if they didn't want to bet them, they didn't care If they just lay there and took it, they still. I got to that as, but with Allen he's a he's a little bit more touched on the emotional side. You can tell he I still feel like he was like really feeling. Like they had a love connection. I mean he, I think he really did because of what they've been through. He feels like they had a connection. They did because they were siblings. But he that they had a connection, you know, he was her protector.

19:48 They were there for each other. Like he thought this was soul mates. Yeah, he said as much, right? He was like, from the time she was here, there was no one. There was no one else for either of us, and even when he said that, he said that before, he said The other stuff I was like, oh, so we're about. To have, like, confession now, right? I'm like, OK, so oh, so this is how this went down? So this is And you started looking like Claire was in between horror and rage. She was like, horrified for what Melvin had been through. But she was like, I'm about to kill this motherfucker right now. Not only for what he did to Melba, but also for what he put her family through.

20:34 Like she literally her their house was attacked. Speaking of which, who fixed the house while they were gone? Because the windows were all repaired, the doors, but anyway we won't go into. That Mrs. and Mr. Bug did okay. Maybe they maybe they did. And maybe the people on the Ridge. Who? The twins. You know, Lizzie. Lizzie couldn't do nothing because she was heavily pregnant at the time, right? But she still probably helped out a little bit. Yeah, So. But you know, their house was attacked. Claire was taken from town to town to town. She was kidnapped. She was stoned. She was almost hung, like, just. You can see it on her face.

21:19 She was like, I don't want to get another thing at your mouth. I just want you gone. But her sense of who she is, she wouldn't even allow him to kill himself because again, that would have been too easy. It would have been better for him to be arrested, him to be him to confess and him to sit in jail, to think about what he did. And I think that's kind of what Claire was thinking, too. But of course. You know, you have some other people who are hot tempered with good reason who were like, Nope, he he does not need to live another day. He's done. Thank you, Ian.

22:00 Now we have a close to the Christie storyline. At least we think we do. So anyway, on to happier things. Brianna has the baby. He has a little girl named Amanda, which we knew was coming. I again did not expect the quickness of how the storyline was going to go with Mandy to to take place because in the books Mandy is a little bit older when they discover her heart issue and they decide that they have to go back through the stones in order to save her, but he or she still like.

22:44 Very much a newborn. Maybe. Only a few days. Maybe a few weeks old? No, she looked like she was a few days old when Claire notices this blue tinge on her fingernails and she takes a listen and she hears like the murmur. So basically, Mandy has a murmur. She has the the little hole in her heart did not close up when she was born. And in this day and time, there's really no way to fix it. So Claire is basically prepping Brianna for. Be inevitable that Mandy will most likely die. And it's like while they're having this conversation and Roger and Brianna are are crying and they're upset, it's almost like you can see Claire and Jamie both have the same realization together but separately like oh shit, they're going to have to go back because when Brianna says can you fix it?

23:40 And Claire's like, no, I can't and she was like. But I know someone who can, I said. She about to send her back to Doctor Joe, she about to send them back to the future. And it's like, Jamie's, the way he reacts to everything with his eyes, with his face. I was like, this dude already knows. He's about to lose his family and there's nothing you really can do about it because he he knows that this is the best thing. Like, what would you do? If this was Claire and it was Brianna, he'd be like, take your ass back now. Why aren't you? Hey, I'm good. I'm good, right? But what is? So what is so fuck not funny?

24:20 But it's just like when they were like, can you do something? Claire was like, no, I mean, I have that much experience. But she was. I wasn't. I was. I was like, I wasn't. But she was trying to process in here. Like, there's no way, like I didn't have that much surgical rotation to do this. Like, I mean. Do this, and I could, but I don't. But I don't want to take that chance. Not with her grandchild. She probably would have done it for one of these other folks on the red. Older people, right? Because it's like if it works, it works, if it don't it don't, but I can't do I don't know if because that's something totally separate. And you're talking heart surgery. You make one mistake and there's there's no fixing that.

25:06 Especially in this day and time when you have very limited surgical tools. You don't have the proper anesthesia because are you really about to give a baby E, Sir? I don't think so. I don't think so. You don't have the proper anesthesia. You don't have the proper. Shit, this is a newborn baby. You need to have some sterilization, you know, even more so than you give these older people who probably would survive most stuff anyway because of the way that and the pain and stuff like that. But hey, you can't do that to a newborn.

25:46 You cannot. So they have to make the decision that okay, we're going to go back. Now we have to get some gemstones. They go to Wilmington to try to get these gemstones. And who does Brianna bump into? But Lord John Gray, yay, and his son, Right, the 9th Earl of Ellesmere, who also happens to be Brianna's brother. And it was weird seeing it a little bit because. He was looking at Breanna like she's nice looking and not thinking now, but it's so funny. Thank goodness she married. Because the way that Brianna was responding to him, yeah, if you don't know the history between these two characters, like it would have come across as kind of flirty. Flirty, right?

26:40 She was more so. Excited about the fact that, Oh my God, I'm finally meeting my brother. And that's when he was like, have we met before? And she was like, no, I definitely would remember. I'm like Brandon, that's a flirty lie you can't say. He's looking like she. Met it in a different way, But yeah, it was funny when he said that. He was like, have I seen you before? I was like when you look in the mirror technically because you know, they did some good casting with that because he does have. Some of the features that would make it look like he is related to her and Jamie. So he has some really good casting with that, Like he looks just different enough for it not to be like, bam, that is your son walking around who stole your face. But it's close enough that he can be like, you look familiar. Oh, that's that's Colonel Frazier's daughter. Oh, yes, the girl from hell Water. I was like.

27:39 Yeah, So he really can't run into Jamie because he'd be like, damn, that dude look like what I would look like when I get older. Yeah, it would. But the look on Jamie's face when he when he sees them together, because he's coming across the courtyard, he happens to look up and he sees Lord John and Brianna and William and I think it was just everything in him was screaming like. I need to go. My two children are together, but at the same time he knew he kind of had to stay back. And then also because I forgot about the whole little argument he and Laura John had in the last season when he joined the Sons of Liberty. So technically speaking, they are on opposing sides right now and we hear them talk about that when Jamie goes to Lord John to speak to him and it's like.

28:33 You can see the friendship is still there. You can see that Lord John is obviously still in love with Jamie. But you know, I think more important for the both of them is that one William has signed up to be in the army. He is a red coat now and he is planning on fighting against the rebels, which means that if Jamie stays and takes up arms with the Sons of Liberty that he will be fighting across the battlefield from his son. That's a no, no. Jamie is like, Nope, The last time I had to do that, I ended up taking my godfather's body off the battlefield. I'm not doing that again.

29:13 No, I would never fight for the British and Lord John is still trying to appeal to him. But Jamie is like, look, this friendship is dangerous for both of us. As you say, we we're on opposing sides. So at this point, the best things for us to do is to sever all ties. And the pain with which he says this, not just because of William, but because Lord John is his closest friend, regardless of everything else like that, is the man who has seen him through a lot of shit. And then he's, you know, taking care of your son on top of that, you know, that wasn't easy for him to say.

29:57 And I I I tell you. I can never. I can't sit through and watch Lord John cry. I don't like watching him tear up. It hurts me to the depths of my core. I can't do it. So this thing was so hard because you can tell both. There's so much emotion in between these two. Can't. Be besties anymore. We have to go our separate ways. I was just like the look of Lord John's face when Jamie walked out that door. I was just like. I have to pause my TV now. But I mean, I love it because I love that connection that they do have, and you can see the history and the love that they have between each other. And I have to go back to Brianna talking to Laura Gray about, oh, you should, he shouldn't know who his daddy is.

30:44 Honey, that ship has sailed. There's reasons this is not like this is 1975. Okay, we can't do this now. And and like the. Consequences. It's a It's heavy. Yeah, it's it's a it's a lot. So much more devastating than it was for Brianna. Like, literally. William Ransom is an inherited title. His lands, his money's everything. Like if it's found out that he is not the the 8th Earl of Ellesmere's son, he loses everything. His titles, his lands, his money, his reputation, his name. It was his whole identity.

31:31 Granted, Brianna did too, but she gained so much more. From that secret. And you know, that secret had to be kept from her for different reasons. Frank was the one who told Claire never to speak of her time. He was like, I don't want Brianna to know She's going to know she. She's going to know she's my daughter. I'm going to raise her as my daughter. She doesn't need to know about anybody else. And at that point, it kind of made sense because. And it was, and it was complicated like this is straightforward. We know the consequence. Brianna, yours is complicated. How are we going to explain to a 13 year old girl that your momma takes the stones?

32:14 Right. See that? That's something that requires some maturity. And some of you got to know when you older Okay, because I can't say your dad is from this time. Because you'll be wondering why your dad neglected you and then come and see you and it it was too complicated. So your first dad made sense by saying no. We shouldn't tell her. Because then you be looking at your Mama like why we not committing her right like oh this newspaper said that you were taken by the ferry. So you still seeing ferry like it's a it's a lot there was a reason for you. But here is straightforward it's it's it's more complicated in the matter of the time of what's left of this man.

32:58 And then it goes back to even his mom his his mom they had a title so then that also says that. The reputation of your mom is out the window too. She can't defend herself. Yeah, but. Brianna was also older than William is now when she found out. And we see how well she took it. Thank you. So, no, I mean, but I understand. And I I appreciated her telling. Lord John, about her experience with Frank, because he was like, Can you imagine what it would do to him to find out at this age? And she just said then she was, she just kind of chuckled because she's like, yeah, I kind of know I have firsthand experience with this. So I understand both sides of it. And like you said, one took place in modern times, that things were a little different.

33:49 Things taking place now. If you were to find out now with everything that's going on, I don't think. Yeah, that wouldn't be good for him. However, spoiler, which I don't really know guys, but he's going to find out because you're setting up for him to find out. I know that he does find out. I don't know which book he finds out, but I hear that he finds out and that he's pissed. About it so that well clearly and we well we clearly said that that's that was going to happen so yeah. Yeah, but I I figured, OK, we talking about this, so we going to find out? He's going to find out. Oh yeah. And I think it'll probably be sooner rather than later because one, like we said, we have 16 episodes in this season. So I think they probably will explore that in this season as opposed to waiting till the last season because I feel like they're going to have to do that this season and then whatever happens in the 7th season is going to wrap up. The story because like we discussed last week, they have to get books with 6789.

34:53 The different pieces from all of those books into these two seasons. So I would say, especially at the pace that they're moving now, maybe 2-3 episodes at the most from. Now, yeah. We we probably will find that out. So, yeah. But the whole thing with William and Brianna. Meeting it does result in another bonding moment for her and Jamie, you know, because oh, also, Lord John gives Jamie back the sapphire that Jamie gave him from Silky Island because Jamie tells him, oh, that's why we're here, you know, the gemstone is for Brianna.

35:37 Brianna tells Lord John they're, you know, she and Roger are going to Boston, but she doesn't explain why, so they go out. On a walk, and they have this nice father daughter conversation. Jamie is happy about the fact that she got to meet William before she left, but he was like, you know, he's in the army, you're leaving. I'm kind of worried for both of you. And Brianna goes into this whole thing about, you know, she tells him about the future, She tells him about, she tells him about Disney. Disneyland. Because that the name of the episode is the Happiest Place on Earth. So she talks about this magical place that Claire Frank took her to when she was little and how, you know, had different types of games.

36:22 And it's really, you know, a place for children, but it's for adults too. And she's just basically talking to him about how magical things can be. And they have this really nice conversation where he asked her, he was like, so are you disappointed being here in this time? And she was like, no. This is not a disappointment to me. And I have a feeling that if Mandy wasn't sick, you know, Brianna and Roger tried to go back once and the Stones brought them right back. So obviously they realize that's where they wanted to be, even with all of the hardships, even without all of the, you know, modern amenities.

37:04 And that was where they wanted to be. And I think Brianna would have made her peace with staying there and raising her children there with her parents until maybe until Claire and Jamie died. And then maybe they would have tried to go back. But at that point the kids will be too. Old, yeah. And I'll be like, I'll be looking like, okay, I'm 20 and you take me, this is a big, a big difference here. So 1011. Is. That's going to be. Just imagine the conversations in middle school if they went back then. So no, I I feel like they actually made their peace when it they realized it brought them back to the place. They wanted to be and they're like, okay, this is where this is where we want to be.

37:52 But now they have no choice. They have to be. And that's that conversation with Bree and Jamie. They have some of the best conversations. You know, we can get really, really lovely heart to hearts with them again. Crying. Crying. Because I'm like, I don't want to see this happen. I know you don't care too much for Roger and Brianna Story, but I kind of like the fact. That no, I like this story now. I didn't care for episode one. I needed to find out what was going on with Claire and Jamie. I'm like, I don't need this distraction. Right now this is a good distraction but bad distraction. But that one was a distraction on that story that we needed to get finished. Now, get her ass off that ship.

38:35 I don't want to hear about Brianna. They good, they're good. But now it's I do. I mean, I do love this story. It's quite interesting and I want to know the history of Roger because it's just interesting that they found each other and they're both. Travelers, So we do get a little bit of Rogers history in the books. And then I think there is also a a vignette story that is included in Seven Stones to Standard Fall. That's the collection.

39:15 It's like an anthology collection. Her Little Short stories. They put it in one book and released it a few years ago. So there's a little bit of. Information about I want to say it's Roger's father, who may have been a traveler as well. Because one of the things that happens in the books that did not happen in the show was that when Roger tried to come find Brianna the first time, when he when he was trying to travel Fiona, Mrs. Graham's granddaughter, went with him to the stones to kind of make sure everything went okay. So Roger goes through the stones and he almost immediately comes back to the same spot.

40:01 And it was because when when he was traveling through the stones, apparently you can hear the voices of other travelers, especially ones who have gotten stuck. So there's because, you know, there's some travelers who don't know that they're travelers. And when they get to the stones, especially if they don't have a gemstone, apparently they just kind of get stuck in limbo. And there was a Roger doesn't know if it was a vision or if it was something that actually happened. But he believes that he saw his father on the other side of that, that travel, and it's like he saw his dad. And I don't, I don't recall if it was that his dad pushed him back through or if it was just one of those things where he was startled and tried to go back through and he ended up back where he was.

40:50 I do know that there was something about. Him having seen his dad and he was like, I think I just saw my dad. And so there is a little bit of a back story on that. I don't know if we'll get that in this show. It would be nice to see because yeah, you kind of do wonder like Roger's A traveler. They are very rare. So how is it that you know it. It's just interesting that Roger who comes from the Mackenzie clan, you know his his family line is from the Mackenzie's. Like where did the travel thing come through? Like of course it had. It had to start with galas.

41:31 But does it hit every generation, you know? And then I don't know. Because they now they were always destined to meet each other because of the Because the kids. Because both kids have it right. And that thing was so interesting too, when they were sitting there trying to decide. If when they were going to travel because they were like, Amanda is so small, we don't even know if she can travel. And Jamie was dangling one of the gemstones, if you know, in front of her and Roger pulls Jim over, he was like, Jim, can you can you hear anything? He was like, yes, it's singing And she, she hears it too. And they were like, how do you know? He said, she said, so I was like, oh, OK, so him and his sister, they got this little. Connection already I was, yeah.

42:19 I thought that was really cute, but. It was. It was like, she can hear it. She's saying, so I'm like, okay. They were like, oh, okay, well, I guess we're. Doing well. I guess we can move. Yeah. And we going tomorrow. We're ready. Right, right. Because at that point, now that you know, any kind of hesitation just puts her in more danger. You're prolonging what she needs, you know, to to be healthy and to. Stay alive. So that that whole little sequence there of them going to Wilmington, getting the gems, Jamie presenting Claire with her own gem, he was like, yeah, if you want to go back with them because Claire was already fretting, you know, she's like, if I was in my own time, I would be in the waiting room with them while she was having surgery. And it wasn't her saying that to say I need to go back with them. She's just talking it through in her mind because again. After she says that, she was like, well, I did do a cardiac rotation, I don't, you know, I could do this. And she starts talking her way through it. I can, you know, go in, do this, so this, it's possible. But even she sounded like she's doubting herself. Like, I don't want to take this chance. And Jamie, that's what Jamie has this conversation with her. And he tells her, you know, I've dreamt of you in your own time before and she was like, really, what was I doing? He said.

43:44 You were sitting at a desk writing, I think, and she asked, how did you know it was my time? And he said because of the light around you, it didn't look like candlelight. It didn't look like the kind of like that we had it, you know, And I thought to myself, oh, this must be what electric light looks like. And she had, you know, she's like, well, how can you dream of something you've never seen before? And he was like, do you not do that? She was like, yeah, I do. But with landscapes and people, she was like, that's different. I'm like, how is that different? Right. How is it? It's not. Right. And he said that he sees it. And he was like, why I dream of the past. Why would I not dream of the future? And I was like, OK, so, OK, yeah, me too. I was like, OK, right. But then she said, of course you do. Of course, because how else do you answer that? So when he starts talking about this dream and seeing Claire in the future, I started wondering some things. I did remember.

44:43 Back in the very first episode of the very first season when Claire is standing in the window and she is brushing her hair, and actually that was not electric light that was behind her. We were talking about this off camera that was candlelight because remember, the lights went out, the power went out, so that was candlelight that she was brushing her hair with. So it wasn't that time he was talking about, but we see. Jamie standing in the courtyard looking up at Claire and it's actually his ghost because Frank actually brushes past him when he turns around. Jamie is gone. Also at this time Jamie is the younger version of his self. He is very much season one, Jamie with the beret and the tartan and like full out Scottish regalia, but I was like.

45:37 OK, so is this. This could be explaining it though, or it could be the start of it, right? Because he can learn how to project himself. Could be. Or he could actually be walking through time in his dreams. I mean, I. Don't. He really could. And you don't have to be a certain age to do that. You could be projecting the age you were at the time. I don't know. It's all up to you and your brain. You're right, right. Because if if you think about other shows where people have died, you know, at old age, I mean, I'm thinking of a couple in particular, Titanic when Rose finally dies and she when she meets up with Jack and her, you know, in her version of heaven or whatever, she is back to the age that she was when she met him. Right.

46:31 And all the people and the age when they died on the Titanic. Right, Which I mean, but they wouldn't have aged. But she did. But when Jack takes her hand, you know he takes her hand. She's an old woman. But then when the camera pans to her, she said to the young self. The other one is more recently supernatural. When Sam dies, he's an old man, but when he meets Dean and in heaven. He's back at the same age that he was the last time being saw him, and even you know, the Star Wars people, that's the same when Darth Vader dies and he's his son, sees him. Well, I can't think of his name right now. And we see young Anakin.

47:17 We don't see old Darth Vader, even though I was placed in the movie. But it was the point to be made. It was the IT was the innocent. Mannequin ripe age of twentyish versus old man Darth Vader smiling, so you know. But yeah, so I thought that was very interesting. So when I start popping up in people dreams, when I pass, I want to be, you know, the sexy in my 20s or in my 40s. Not my 80s, OK? This is true because because even as a ghost, you can't do much of venturing if you can't move around. Right.

48:01 My knees. You know what I'm saying? When I need ibuprofen 800. No, I want to do it where I'm, you know, limber. I can move around, right? Yeah, right. So but it it's a start of something, which means if others can walk through stones. We can give Jamie something he. Can he can walk through the light. He can't. He can't physically go through the stones. So. But we gotta give him something. Yeah, he. Can he? Can we can dream of the future? Right. That would be nice. I mean, it was hard for me though, because I'm like, huh, But you saw her and you are explaining electric lights. Well, how you doing that?

48:46 And I'm having a hard time believing that. In a show where they are about to travel through stones with gyms. And then I realized, Michelle, really this man can dream of the future. So you can believe in some kind of magic, but not other kind of magic. Right and did that. Stones where they can travel up to 200 years. Oh, that's nothing. That's that's nobody dreaming of electrolite. How the hell he doing that in the same episode? I'm like okay, so I let I let it go and said he can dream of the future. Just seriously, a whole family, four people with four different stones traveling to a. Certain time.

49:30 And I'm having trouble because he dreamed of electric lights. And they made it and they made it this time, you know, they wake up at the stones. Jim is playing with his toy airplane, which he took with him through the stones. And you know, when they're trying to sit there and figure out, well, did we make it? And then they hear the plane, look up, There's an airplane. It was like they made it. And then also when you see them pan out to the surroundings. So they went to the stones at Ocracoke and they came over by boat. And you saw it when, you know, back in Jamie's time, lush trees, beautiful. When we get to whatever year it was that they traveled to, I don't know what year they traveled to.

50:15 It was dry. The river has dried up and looks so completely different. So yes, they're they're back where they should be. Right. And it was the IT was a emotional goodbye that was hard. OK? When they were at the Stones, it was hard. Because. When when they're saying their goodbyes, you know, Claire saying her goodbye to Brianna and she's talking about how she went through the stones, wants to protect her baby and now she has to do it to protect hers. And she was like, it feels like goodbye. I'm never going to see you again. Or that's what Brianna says. And Claire was like, look, we've said goodbye twice before and you always came back. So never say never.

51:02 You know, I think Claire, at least in some way, has a little hope. And then when she she reaches down or she mills down to talk to Jim and she was like, you take care of your baby sister, OK? You teach her how to play hide and seek like we taught you to. He was like, I love you girl. When I say the waterworks started flowing, the dam broke because I was already emotional at this point. I was like, I don't like their goodbyes heart wrenching, their gut wrenching you have. Claire and Brianna over here saying this. You've got Jamie telling Roger that he was a good man, a man of honor. How proud he is and. You have little Jim with his little voice.

51:42 I love you. I was just lying. I bet you they were a mess filming that. Scene. And then when he goes to say goodbye to Granddad, he was like, I don't want to leave you, Granddad, stop doing this to me. And the But for me, the hardest one was actually Jamie and Brianna. I don't know, because he'd be looking at her like she's still a kid, you know what I'm saying? It was like my baby is leaving and I'm like, Oh my gosh, but you know. At the same time he he is. But I'm just happy at the time that they had together. Yes, that's what I was going to say. He's looking at her like, you know, truth be told, I should not have even had this time with you. But he was like, I can't say goodbye to you. And she was like, it's not goodbye you. What did she say?

52:39 You. You are part of my heart and my soul. And I will carry you with me all. I can't even say it. Oh my God. That thing was like, we've seen goodbye scenes on the show, and that's one thing that actually do very well. All their goodbye scenes, whether it has to do with someone dying, whether it has to do with them going through the stones, they're all so emotional and heartfelt and gut wrenching and beautiful and horrible and it's just like they nail it every single time. And this one was just, I think it was more emotional simply for the fact that. It actually was goodbye, like the way that they pan the camera.

53:24 You see Brianna and Roger holding hands with the kids and they walk towards the stone and then you see the back of the stone and it's like all of a sudden you know that they're gone. And what does? What does Jamie say? He said. He said for your sake, I will continue. For my sake alone. For my sake alone, I would not. And I was just like I would not. They're going to have a hard time with this. And when they go back to Fraser's Ridge and they're laying in the bed that night and neither one of them can sleep, Claire, I think, to kind of help her get out of the head space, she tries.

54:07 To be intimate with James, it doesn't she it doesn't work. She's got too much emotion, Penta, And he lets her just talk about it and she talks about how they belong. She was like, we've lost our whole family. Roger, Brianna, the kids, Marsley, Fergus. Even though they're not physically gone, they're in a whole different city. I don't even know if we're going to see Marsley and Fergus this this season, which makes me upset. Because, well, you don't know if they're in the future books. I don't know. I don't even know. I think I want to say at some point they do find out that Claire is the traveler, but I'm not sure. And see, now we got questions.

54:52 Now you're going to make me go and read the books. And I said I wasn't going. To do not don't do it I the questions I have we will find out later I'm just I'm just wondering I'm just just like I'm you know I want to know if. They do get back together again. If Brianna and Roger and the kids do come, I mean I don't know and and it's it is one of those things where should they? Because that's a risk you have to take two with kids taking them through those those stones and then you. Are you're taking them from one time to another now, depending on how many years they're there in that future time, when they come, if they come back?

55:34 Are they going to know, You know, they'll be older at that point, obviously. But will they know enough to say, hey, you can't talk about this, you can't talk about that? It's kind of like. I feel like the stress of it would be too much, too much to try to govern or watch what they're saying all the time going forward at the age that Jim is now. It's probably a little bit easier because you can always, if he says something that's out of place, you can always say, oh, he has an overactive imagination or that sort of thing, you know, Or you can explain it the same way. Jay, hey, he has very vivid dreams. I've told him enough about my father and my mother that he pretends that he, you know what I'm saying? You can explain it away.

56:22 And it not be so weird, but taking them from the future and bringing them back to the past. I mean you saw how how much of A struggle it was for Claire and Brianna and Roger to kind of adapt and realize oh we can't say this. Oh we can't do this. Even though, you know Brianna did do some things that she wasn't supposed to do like creating matches which we will talk about in a little bit. But you know it's it's like I, I, yeah, I I don't know if I I don't know if they come back. And I don't know if I want to know now because then I if I find out, yes, they do come back, I'm going to be like so impatient for that part of the story to happen. And I don't want to do that. That's why I said once they've announced that the series will end with season 8:00 and that they are going, they're telling story up through book nine, I was like okay at this point.

57:12 It makes no sense for me to read the books now, especially since we know that they've changed some stuff. I'm just going to wait and see. What happens? But I do hope that they do get to see each other again before whatever happens. Claire, Jamie, whatever. But Claire, once she kind of backs off Jamie and she's talking to him about their losses and he starts telling her about his losses too. And he was like, you know, I think about all the people that we that we. Lost. He names Mertha. He you know, he just starts naming people and then she just completely falls apart. And I was just like, y'all are killing me with this episode because you feel every ounce of grief that she is held over the last however many years you feel all of it. Because for the most part, when Claire has experienced grief. She cries, but I don't think she mourns properly. She doesn't grieve properly because really, she doesn't get the chance to, because there's she doesn't have time, because there's always the next drama, the next trauma, the next whatever.

58:33 So she doesn't really have a chance to sit there and just allow herself to feel it. And I swear. She felt every goddamn thing in this scene because I was sitting there feeling emotionally drained watching her. And all Jamie could do was hold her and he was like, you grieve for them and when you're done, I'm here. And I thought that was one of the most beautiful scenes in the show because it it it's about a different type of intimacy between them. And again, you get to see just how, how much on the same wavelength Jamie and Claire are.

59:14 You know, for all their differences, as far as them being from two different times, them being, you know, two different people experience two different things. Just the fact that he connect, he is able to connect with her like he can figure out what's wrong with her. He says what he needs to say. He allows her the space to grieve and get it out and and doesn't try to. He doesn't try to tell her to stop. He doesn't try to, you know, he doesn't try to make her say, oh, he's. Present with her in that moment. Yeah. So I I think that was a that was a very beautiful scene. And so, you know, after that we get to see them on the farm, just trying to live life.

59:55 And you know, she talks about how it's been several weeks. Lizzie has her baby. And you know what does Claire say? Everyone is enamored is so enamored with baby Rodney that even Jamie has relented and allowed the unusual family to stay. I love that she's still doing her little talk over and she's coming to the house after picking some flowers or whatever. She comes to the house and it's almost dark. And the front door is open. I was like. Here we go again. That that's what I was thinking. Here we go again. Who is? Here now. Like what's the problem? What's the problem? Like they just said they several weeks that you we actually giving her some time to mourn the situation and now another situation is about to occur and I didn't know what it was.

1:00:45 I'm like good gosh, give him some time. Now this is the time where I'll be okay if we go to Roger, Brianna, let's see what they doing. Like, do we really have to have more, more drama with? Clinton, right. Let's see what they doing. Let's see how the surgery went. Okay, how they got some money, right. So she where they live, What apartment are they living in? I mean, did you get a house like what's going on? Did Brianna put some money away from her dad? I mean, so let's go back to that time. I don't want to go back to this right here. And there's an issue. Yeah, but we have to get to it. We have to get to it. She walks in the house. We see a figure sitting in the chair behind. He likes the match.

1:01:30 And it's when to go fucking Donner. And I was like, you know what? Roger should have just let him escape. Gave him a gym. So. That's not too. Like, it's it's one of those things, those things. And we talked about this at the end of the last episode off camera, where it's like, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Like Jamie felt pity for Stephen Bonnet and freed him. And you know, Bonnet was like, you'll never see me again, blah blah blah. And then what happens? Bonnet realizes that Jamie and Claire have gemstones. They robbed them. He he takes Claire's rings then. Brianna sees the ring.

1:02:12 She tries to get it back from him. He rapes her and goes through this whole thing, all because Jamie had compassion for this one person. So now Roger doesn't have compassion for when to go down her because when to go sat by and you know, well, I won't say a loud because again, he does make a point line on ground and his man would have killed me, I get that. Still, he was there, present in the moment when Claire was being sexually assaulted by multiple people and then he wanted Roger to help him. Roger was like, no, I'm not going to help you. And now here he goes. Now here he goes. He doesn't escape. And he's there because, of course, he knows that Claire is a traveler. He knows Roger is a traveler.

1:02:57 So he's thinking, oh, you guys probably have gemstones. I just want to go back home. And again, he keeps using this excuse. I just want to go home. I just want to go home. So you going to give me gemstones or you going to tell me where they are? You need to tell me what I did wrong. Because the one time I did try to go back, I ended up back here. But I was also drunk and blah blah blah. So Claire tells him you can't be drunk. This is what you do, this is how you do it. But we don't have any gemstones. He doesn't believe her. He has his men come in with Jamie at gunpoint, and he sends his man off to search the house. So Jamie is trying to defuse the situation with humor.

1:03:37 When he learned who he was. Jamie come across that room. Let me tell you, if that dude who was holding him hadn't grabbed him and then the other two didn't come in with the bugs, and that was a whole weird situation because they come in, he's got a word. Arch and Medina, Mr. and Mrs. Bug. Right, I know, I said. It was really weird. I had to, like, actually rewind that three times. What the hell do they have and what do they send to each other? And I'm like, I see the gold and he's like, where you get there from, it's none of your business. And I because I watched it three times, I'm like, well, oh shit, what they get into.

1:04:19 Did you figure it out? No, but I was like where do you get to go from Okay? So, so this is Okay. We got another issue that we won't have to take care of after we take care of this. Yes. Robbing of the house. This is an issue I was expecting to come up. I didn't know how and when. Yeah, so the guys come in, they have Mr. and Mrs. Bug, and they're like, Oh yeah, we did find something and they pull out a bar of gold. And then Jamie is asking in Gallic at this point, he's asking Arch Bug, where did where did you get that go? It's none of your business. Jamie is like, it damn well is my business.

1:05:00 So in the midst of all this, when to go is like, cut that shit out. We we're not here for gold. We need gemstones. He doesn't care about the gold. I'll talk about the gold in a minute. So anyway, he says his his goons into Claire surgery to look to see if she has gemstones there. Now why she didn't tell him? We don't have gemstones. We literally just sent our daughter and her family through. Because my, my, no, because Jamie said. He gave it to Claire. But, but again, he said no. He said Claire hit them. Claire could have said, well, I gave them to my daughter and her husband. Yes, and they didn't and I'm like, oh hell. Right, right.

1:05:44 What's that smell? Here we go, Pan. They go through, they go through the surgery, they unlock the locked cabinet, they pull out the bottle that says ether. And I understand that the goons probably aren't smart. They probably don't even know what the fuck ether is. They are smashing bottles on the ground and of course they throw 2 bottles of the ether down when to go says what's that smell? And clears like it's ether. So she, Jamie and the bugs they all cover their nose because they know what this is about to be. When and when to go's guys are in there talking about it's so dark in here I can't see turn on the fucking light. Even know what does Window go do? He takes the matches that he found on Claire's table that Brianna made and he lights the match and Claire's like, no, don't do that.

1:06:33 And then all of a sudden we see a pan out view of the big house and the house goes boom. And then my first thought is, this is the house fire. So what's about to happen? Yeah, it can't be the house fire because we still have 14 episodes from this and you know, they're not going to kill. Clear And Jamie Well, no, I know they're not going to be dead. But I'm like, but this is the house fire that must have been in the paper. So that was my first thought like this is the house fire that was in the paper because that because we can't come back from from that explosion.

1:07:14 I know they're not dead but I'm just saying the explosion to rebuild. Figure out what's what's going on. Yes, because. I was like they they just can't catch a break like. And and that is from two things that wasn't meant to be in that time being put together. Imagine Ether. Yep. And Clara, when to go, if you if you think about it. Yep, those, Yep, 4 things in the room. Yep. So but anyway, I don't know did before the episode. Did you watch the previously on Outlander? Did you watch that where they showed the flashbacks? So you remember the flashback they showed about Jamie talking about the gold that was supposed to go to Bonnie Prince Charlie.

1:08:03 And yeah, so yeah, so apparently the bugs have access to that gold too, because yeah, they're sitting on it. But my question is, how did they get it? Because we know that Jacosta had some. Because we saw her little flashback story with her husband taking some of the gold and he ended up bringing it there and that's how they built River Run and all this other stuff. It's like, so who was Mr. Bug over in Scotland that he would have access to that gold. So I think that's going to open up, that's going to open up an interesting storyline that.

1:08:49 Could take a couple of episodes, but the way that they're wrapping up things in the store, it may only take one episode. I don't know. But yeah, the boys got some explaining to do. Well, when to go is done. I'm sorry. Like I can see Jamie, Claire surviving. They will survive. But you, you, you did the match, so you're done. And you were in the room where the. Ether was like. So. When to go. And his people were all in that room, so you already know. Especially with as strong as that ether is, I'm pretty sure his men are knocked out by now. Claire, Jamie, and the Bugs were close enough to the door that they probably could have gotten out.

1:09:35 They may have been knocked away from the house by the fire, but yeah, they didn't. They didn't die. They didn't die. But it was cool to say, Oh my goodness, this is the house fire. Yeah. So. So and then when they wrote that and our perspective, even when it said that Jamie and Claire died, maybe we don't really know that though because they could assume they did and something, you know, they went and traveled somewhere else so and just like oh, they must have died in the fire. However, it was just I like how we made that connection and we're to that point after Brianna and Roger left.

1:10:18 Because that was the reason too. She came that she came back, Yeah, so. But, but, you know, I think she also addressed that because when she and Roger were talking about leaving, you know, she had told Roger, I will go back with Mandy. You stay here with Jim. I was like, now you. Why? In hell, Roger. From to let you do that. No. What's his name? Right, so. But she was. But you know what? It does? Because to her, she would think she would go get the surgery and bring them back. Yeah, but you don't even. But it still makes sense. They all need to go together.

1:11:01 And then once everything is good, you can make that decision if you want to travel back or not. Because here's the thing. So even if you do go into the future with your daughter, you come back whenever it is that you come back. How are you going to get back home? Because chances are they're not going to leave the boat there. They have to be able to get back. You are a woman traveling alone with a child in the 1700s. You tried that once before and you you found some trouble. We don't want to take that. No, you don't. You either going to stay here with Roger and Y'all going to bury your baby or all of Y'all are going it. It's just one or the other.

1:11:45 There is no in between. You can't separate your family like that. Not like that. It's not like, oh, OK, I'm going to another state for the surgery. No, you going to a different time. You going to a different century. Yeah. It's not going to work. Yeah. You can't separate. It's not going to work. It's not going to work. But I will say this too. The other scenes that I really liked in this episode was the scene where Jamie is walking around with Amanda, talking to her, because I love seeing his his scenes with the babies. Because it's like you always feel with Jamie's character that he is so thankful to have that family around him because he grew up around so much family. And for him to go through life thinking that he would never see his wife or daughter again, to the point where he married someone he didn't really care about, just to be able to take care of her children.

1:12:44 To have a family of his own, you know, for him to be able to meet his daughter, that he, he and he never thought that possible. To have Roger Mack as a Soninlaw, to get to sit there and hold his grandbabies that he never thought he would be possible. You get to see that joy on his face every time he's around those kids like this is my life. And then you see what he looks like when that's taken away from him. This episode was so sad. It was so sweet in a lot of different ways, right? My favorite scene was Brianna and Jamie with the fireflies, I said. Magic, magical moments, magical moments like that. It was funny listening to her try to describe Mickey Mouse to him, though.

1:13:33 I was like, why can't you just say a person dressed in a costume? Like a mouse and right because the way she found it from there. Right the way, she said. I think it. That ain't how he looks, but OK. Right. Like that one makes. It a rat, right? Yeah, rat. And then what did? What did he tell Jim? He said if you should happen to encounter a mouse named Michael, tell him your grandfathers were gone. Oh. Cute. It was so. Cute. It was. Going back to the intro, no, I can't skip the song this time this week or I did.

1:14:16 Fast forward. It didn't allow you to it. No, it didn't. But I Fast forward to those part. I said, oh, this home footage of Disneyland. And then the last scene of the home footage was Mickey Mouse. But he wasn't looking so hot. It looked a little creepy. Yeah, he Mickey Mouse. Looked a little bit different back then in the but no, I yeah, because I remember him back then but I'm just saying. And how that field was that he was just by himself. I'm like oh so magical moments happen And then it comes to an end because that right there says it's time for us to go home. This is turned into another movie because he was looking look creepy.

1:15:01 Just the way that how the footage was and then how the song was in it was just a a tab in on the not happy moments but more of it's time to leave the park. Yeah, I was laughing at that intro though I said OK, they must have heard all of us who were talking about skipping the intro. They were like, Nope, which y'all not going to do. No. Because yeah, I'm listening to the song again and that. And you said no. I don't. I just don't like it. I don't. So I'm sorry, I don't like. It. I don't either. It's a no. Yeah. So. So now we have Jamie and Claire. The big house is definitely gone. We got Brianna, Brianna and Roger back to the future with the kids not knowing that.

1:15:58 Claire and Jamie's house just blew up. So I don't next episode is going to be interesting because like you said, we know Jamie and Claire survived. Yeah, we know that. But also, did you, did you watch the previews for the next episode? Right. So that's. I know they still live and one you. Somebody died. I don't think they would be having a funeral like that for when to go to Donner. So I'm no so I'm hoping. The Well, it's only it was only four other people. Right, so the process of elimination. One of the books had to be blown up in the fire. Maybe. Well, then again, because if you think about it, that means that if it wasn't one of the bugs, it might have been one of the twins, or might have been. Yeah, somebody else that could have been in the house. And I'm sorry.

1:16:41 I was thinking, because now I was like, where's Liz? I mean, I know they have their own place, but she could have been, oh, you know what I'm saying? Like, ran over there, I was thinking. Yeah, because I know we're not having no, no funeral for when to go down her. No, no. So not at all. Guess we got to wait till next week to see and I know it's not Ian because he still has some stories to be told about him. So and plus Ian, I don't Ian doesn't stay in the big house. I think Ian still stays in that little makeshift house that they have in the woods. He does, but you know, he just pops up sometimes when they're in danger, so you just never know that he has popped up, but.

1:17:23 He needs to have a hat. I'm sorry. I will fall out if he dies and he doesn't have some type of peace, love, happiness. Yeah. If some happen, if some happen to me, I'm going to protest. Because out of everyone, give him something that that's tangible, that loves him back. And he has for a while. Well, I've heard rumors that that will happen to him this season because of because of the casting during this season. Apparently one of the characters, and I can't remember her name because again, I'm not that far in the story.

1:18:07 Apparently this is a person who he does have a relationship with and he does beat. You know, he is happy. I'm going to hope that that is the case. Because I'm like you please give me and his happy ever after. He deserves it, right? Because that that story that was told and then I have to deal with Malvel Christie on top. Of it I can't. I can't. It's hard. Family needs a happy ending. I mean, I know that, technically speaking. Ferguson, Marsley have theirs in New Bern, but again I want to see Ferguson. Well, first of all, let's be Jamie and Claire have their happy ending.

1:18:50 No matter what happens, just let's go back to just finding that person, that one person throughout time. Leave, come back and find each other again. And all the obstacles that they're, they are still together, strong. They have it so no matter what. And they're older, okay. So no matter what happens now, they they have found their home within each other. They're good. That that was the other. Oh, that was the other line, Jamie said to Claire. When he gave her, you know, he gave her the gemstone to see if she wanted to go back, and she actually threw the gemstone out the window. And she came back and she was like, I love you, he said. You know, I'm not as strong as I used to be. I can't, I can't be in a world without you. I was like, oh, that's going to again. Going back to what you said.

1:19:51 They need to have a notebook ending that. Just it just. Needs to be. It's together. That's what it needs to be because because I I can't imagine. I don't know if I can imagine. One without the other. You can't. And do you not understand? It took, it even took Claire some time to get her shit together. When she came back when she was pregnant and even had the baby, like she couldn't. It was like I can't even function. And then she got herself together and, you know, went to school and stuff and and made it and still getting some evidence that that man is still alive, she left.

1:20:37 I mean, she left her kid. Yep, Yep. She was like, oh, you'll be alright with him. I'm going fine. I mean, it was it was a time, right? Right. And it was it was a time where her and her and her and Brianna relationship was strained anyway. But it was because she was keeping that secret from. Yeah, and she could. Never be herself around Bree, So, yeah. And and Bree was a daddy's girl anyway, so she just saw her mom as an issue.

1:21:18 So that, you know, that's just that just going to happen sometimes. But I like how when she did finally understand her mom and they built a close relationship now. But yeah, they have had their happiest. What happiest place on earth they've been together. Yeah. Even with their child and able to see their grandkids. So yeah. So they need them to have a second happiest place where all of them can be together again like. Brianna and Roger and the kids come back. I need to. I'm gonna keep saying, look, I'm gonna bring my microphone closer, so I need to see Fergus and Marsaly this season.

1:22:00 I know, I agree. On that, I'm saying this very calmly, but I'm like like jumping on the inside. Give me my goddamn Fergus and Marsaly. Right. Like we we killed off these other characters. Can they come back? Can they come back? Can they come back now? Let me see them happy. You know, can can they come back? Yes, because I think we still got what, one or two more children that Marsley is supposed to. I want to see all of this. I miss the Spitfire that is Marsley. I miss the gentleness that is Fergus. I I need them back on my screen. So anyway, that's that's all I'm going to say about that for now. But I'll probably keep harping on it until they finally show up on my screen.

1:22:50 I'm just going to warn you right now. So anyway, do you have any final thoughts on this episode? No, not at all. It's a great episode. And goodbye, Alan Christie. And when to go. Donna, we do not miss you. I mean we we couldn't ties now like. Snip, snip, motherfucker, snip snip. And on that note, that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter at Phantom Hybrid. You can chat with us on our Discord channel, you can watch our videos on our YouTube channel, and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms. Thanks for listening. We hope you join the conversation next time.