Outlander S7E4 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #252

0:24 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here with Michelle and we are discussing Outlander episode 4 of season 7A Most Uncomfortable Woman. And let's go ahead and talk about that most uncomfortable woman, because I think that was the funniest part of the whole episode. Claire and Jamie are in town, she has gone to get supplies and someone bumps into her and she was like, excuse me, and it's Tom Christie. She's looking at him with surprise because she thinks he's already dead and he's looking at her with surprise and he plants a huge kiss on her face. And girl, I was like, I can't wait to hear what machine. But, and it was so it was it was just. It was hilarious to me because she did a great job acting that out because the look on her face, her facial expressions had me rolling.

1:30 Oh my God, it was so funny because I was kind of looking the same same way too, because it was like he just. Planted a kiss on her and we had just talked about before about him not giving her a hug, you know when he risked his life and for her. But I was like, man, he was confused because I was like, what the heck? And then when he talks about the fact that he thought that she was. Dead because he had been told of the house fire, so it was. So he actually had put the the obituary in the paper once he found out.

2:12 So that kind of narrows down. At least that tells us what year that obituary was written. Because he found out after the fire, months after the fire. Because, you know, when we last saw Tom Christie, he had surrendered himself confessing to his daughter's murder, which we now know he didn't commit. But he didn't know that at the time he confessed because he wanted to save Claire, because he was in love with her. So we're expecting that he's going to be, you know, hung, executed, whatever for murder. Turns out because he's an educated man and he was able to write, the governor started using him as a secretary. And then because of everything that's going on, he ended up being free let go.

3:04 And that's how he came to be walking around. But it was so funny because for him to be able to express that and then it's like he really was looking like, Okay, yes, I just did this and I have no regrets at all. He was like, also, your husband is alive too. Oh Okay. And he's just still sitting there, just looking at her like she's here. You're right, he just wasn't excited that she was alive. But it was. At first. I also thought okay. Is this a dream? It's clear having a dream. But then when I realized it was real, I'm like this being really planted that big one on her. And she's still looking like she was. Like, he's lucky Jamie didn't come out of somewhere and see that. But it's playing in the background right now. Her face, she's just looking like, what the hell just happened?

3:58 He was like, oh, I beg your pardon, but he still looked like I don't regret it at all. Like, this is a man who was in love with a woman who was clearly in love with another man. He probably thought he'd never get the opportunity to kiss her. So now that he has, he's probably like okay. You know what? I don't regret that at all. Yes, I'm happy you're alive, but I don't regret that at all. But you know, I always, I always wondered how they were going to do that, especially with the way that they they kind of sort of tied off his story couple of episodes ago. But remember I was saying that there was something she had said in an episode, and I think it was during her voice over with, she said it seemed like Tom Christie was dead or something like that.

4:48 And I was like, hmm, something tells me they're going to bring him back. I don't think he's not reading them out yet, so I'm glad because again, we talked about a few episodes ago with the start of the 7th season, how it looked like they are actually tying off some of these storylines and not letting them stay open, not letting them linger. So I'm glad that he was able to come back and she and him were able to have an actual conversation and he was able to confess how he felt to her, like not in in the moment now, because there's no danger. So you can actually be very frank about your feelings, but you can put it all out there.

5:33 She can put what she has to say out there. And you have closure for both, you know, for both characters. And then he's now up, he's gone. And now I think we're finished with seeing him because I don't think bookwise I don't recall him playing another, you know, any other part in their story. But of course, I've only gotten to a certain point. But. I don't think, I don't recall hearing him being involved in anything. So I think now we are finally done with the Christie story. And even though the story for out, Allen and Malva didn't end in a favorable way for either of them, I'm glad that at least for Tom. He has some kind of peace now, I feel like, you know. Yes, yes.

6:24 I'm. I don't know why, why I'm saying this when I wanted that man to fall off a horse and die. OK, So I am glad that he is alive and hopefully he can make a few changes about his judgment of other people. However, he was going to sacrifice himself knowing that he didn't commit the crime, but knowing that Claire didn't commit the crime so. He gets a pass and I'm glad he's not going to have to die for. And he got him, He got his one kiss. That's going to, you know, take him to his grade, take him through everything. Yes, it's going to sustain. Him. I mean, he just looks so light. Sitting at that table with her, He's just seems so light and you know, happy, right?

7:09 But here's the thing. So this was the thing that was interesting to me about what he told her when they discussed the fire and everything. So he says someone from Fraser's Ridge gave him the news of the fire. I'm like, so I realized everyone from Fraser's Ridge didn't come to the big house to help with the, you know, help put out fire. But it makes no sense that someone would give him the news and make him think that Claire and Jamie are dead when they clearly wasn't dead. You know, like literally they sat there and tried to put the fire out. They were there.

7:52 It it had to be someone who wasn't there that heard about the fire and just assumed that they were dead. But you would think if even if that's the case, that fire would have been a top a topic of gossip. So you would think that somebody else in phrases Ridge if he would have said, oh you you know, you know Mr. Fraser, Miss Miss Fraser are died you know are dead and somebody else would be like, no they're not dead because I mean they had a whole funeral for Mrs. Bug where they both were there, she sang, the profession is professional. So it's like, why would someone say? Or maybe that was just what he interpreted once they said, oh, it was a big fire the house.

8:37 Burnt and he didn't ask any questions. And then the person wasn't giving any extra details about it because it could be someone who heard about the fire, but who's from Fraser Ridge, who then told him and didn't give him any details and he just assumed that they were dead. Yeah, that. Because other than that, it doesn't make sense. Because he's not a talkative man. So he's not going to get into the meat of things and say, well, who was there and what happened and the big house burned down And then for him to place an obituary, he could have placed that obituary anywhere. And if he didn't go back to Fraser's Ridge, which he said he did not do, you know, he. I guess that would be the the thing for him. If he had gone back to Fraser's Ridge, someone would have told him that Jamie and Claire were a lot. You know, Lizzie could have told him, one of the twins could have told him, you know, somebody would would have been there to be like, I don't know, they're they're okay. But he didn't go back to the Ridge because his family is not there.

9:37 You know, I doubt that she told him about Alan and what he confessed, because then she would have to like answer where he is. So I think she probably just. Let no. And then you you do you really want to tell a father what the son did even done to even though it's not your daughter? But do you really want to to get to his sister? No. No, that's not a conversation I would want to have. And especially when this man is sitting across from you. Happy, right? Yeah. Just let him, let him have his happiness and let him go wherever it is he's going to go now because he's obviously not going back to Fraser's Ridge now.

10:20 Like, I don't think because. Because you know that he knows that Claire is going to tell Jamie about what happened. And even though he did it spur of the moment, not meaning any disrespect. I don't think he will go back to the Ridge just because when and if Jamie and Claire ever go back, he wouldn't want to have to look at Jamie in the face. And The thing is, Jamie just going to look at them, look at him with sympathy, because that's how he feels. Even when she said, you know, did you tell him how I felt? You know, about your what night he's like, yeah, but he understands how you know, about loving me so.

11:02 And then he thought it was funny. See, because he's secure. Secure in this relationship. You can tell because he will make it, You know, making jokes on her. But then she wouldn't ask the question, Did you like it? Well, honey, did you like it or not? Because you you won't answer my question. No, okay. Because if not, I will have to feel some type of way about it. But, but, you know, you kind of have to wonder because after they're having that conversation, that's when she and Jamie finally get down to the nittygritty. And I was laughing the whole time I was watching this scene because when we had the conversation in the last episode and you were talking about the lack of intimate, like physical, intimate between them, I had to kind of like I had to fumble around for an answer because I couldn't tell you that was coming up because you hadn't seen the episode yet.

11:51 So I was like, well, you know, with Jamie and and Claire, we don't really need to see the physical intimacy to know how close they are. And I was like but we get it all in the next. Yes, we did. Cuz is this where? Yeah, cuz you know, he was feeling some type of like ooh another man want my wife. Is this where he start talking about all the the things that she has done to him? Yes, I think, I think this is. Yeah, yeah. Because it was one of the, yeah, it was one of those like. Yeah, you had a knife to me one time. Yes, Yes. So when when he's saying all of that, I was just like, yeah, there, there's no, there's no dampening of the physical attraction there between them. But I love their scenes because you have some of their intimacy scenes where they are so serious. And then you have the ones like these that are so silly but still so serious.

12:57 I was like, yeah, OK, well, we do get to see that they can still enjoy those types of things at their age. Oh, and I did look it up. So technically speaking, Claire is 61 at this time because when she first went back to 19, excuse me, 1743, she was 27 years old. So. If you do math around this time, depending on what year this is, I think this is this should be around I think 77. She should be 61. So we do get to see at 61 and Jamie that will make Jamie 57.

13:40 Thank you. Still have a little fun. Right. And then he he reminded us when the lady has said she'll come into her full power with when she has a hair full of white hair. So he's like, what's to come? Yes, this is the scene when he talked about you clawing me. You had a knife to me. I'm like, you know what? I love it. Y'all like, y'all like that that that that rough. Stuff right? You stab me once, but oh, when he was talking about you stabbed me in the butt with one of your what was this syringe? She was like what you deserved.

14:21 But I you know it's it's nice to see them have some lightheartedness. Yeah, it is, that's what. Really. Yeah. Because this episode is not necessarily, I I won't say it's a rough episode, but, you know, they're in the process of trying to get to Scotland. They stop into a town to pick up supplies and they see Mr. I think it's his, His name is Hartnett from the Sons of Liberty. And he sees Jamie and you know, he starts talking to Jamie about, oh, are you here to join the cause? And Jamie is like, no, my wife and I have some personal business to attend in Scotland. I do plan on joining the war effort, you know, once I come back.

15:05 But we have to do that. Let's do basically forces Jamie to sign up to lead militia for this war. Talking about, Oh well, I think your personal business in Scotland can wait. Who asked you for an emergency? It's already bad enough that by boat it's going to take them months to get to Scotland. You got the nerve to say, oh, your personal business can wait. How do you know? Why? You don't know what I'm doing, girl. I was so mad. And then like Jamie said, he was like, I saved your life.

15:45 You saved my life. So I can fight another day. Well, today is that day. Today is that day for you. So you can fight another day, say, about wanting to. Fight why? I'm going back home. I was so mad when they I was like, you know what I said? Y'all going to learn at some point y'all are going to stop trying to force Jamie Fraser to do shit because one of these days is going to bite you in the ass. Because now he knows you don't have no loyalty to him. You want him because you know who he is.

16:26 You know he can command people. You know, he's one of those men that can get people to come on his side and to fight. When you're using him for that purpose, which, yeah, y'all going to war, you need people. I understand that. But even to the point where you're like, almost blackmailing him. Oh okay. Well, if you're not going to do this, I can conscript somebody else to come in your place. So who's going to come in your place? You. I was so mad. I was like, I want to leave that. Yeah. I was too, because I'm like, oh, here we go. So he not going home. He is not going home.

17:07 Oh no. Even though at the end I was like, well, I see possibilities for Ian, but we'll talk about that in a minute. So, but yeah, I was like, OK, here we go back into the war again, right? And then not only just him, but of course Claire is like, OK, well. She ain't going nowhere. Yeah, Y'all are going to need doctors. So I'll join you. And then Ian is like, yeah, so I'm going to join too. And Jamie was like, no, I promise your mother, I was going to bring you home. You need to go home. And Ian is like this. I love this land. I want to fight for it. Because if you think about it, Ian has probably spent just as much time in the Americas. Yes, he has in Scotland.

17:55 I don't remember exactly at this point how many years it's been, but let's see, I would assume Jeremiah is at this point. He's probably like 8-9 maybe because Mandy looks like she could be about four ish. Was that they? They were talking about her going to school, so she's got to be about 5. Maybe so. Yeah. Even is probably been in the Americas for almost as long as he was in Scotland. And you gotta remember he has emotional tide to the place. So you know his first wife, you know, that didn't work out.

18:39 His child is buried there. Buried here, so you know, right? He's a part of the land, so for him this is home too. And he's not going to leave his aunt and uncle. He's not going to leave Jamie. Like him and Jamie are bound for life. And I, you know, I love, I love the part in this episode where, you know, at the beginning of the episode we start out with Roger and Brianna at Lallybrock. They've been there for two years now and they've been renovating it. And when they're talking to the contractor, the contractor is like, I'm, I'm glad you guys are trying to keep the original this, that and the other.

19:21 He was like, but Are you sure you're not going to let me patch that slash at the top of the stairs? You know, because it looks unsightly and it's the slash where the British soldiers came through the house the day that Ian was born, looking for who You remember, Fergus shot off the gun. So they were looking for the gun and they were going through the house and they were just being assholes because they are. And they slashed that portrait up there. I was like, that's a cute little throwback, because that was when Ian was born. Jamie had him in his arms in that bedroom across the way, trying to make sure that the British didn't find him because he was. The Dunbonne at the time, and he was wanted. So I was like, I like the way that they kind of tired Jamie and Ian's past to Brianna and Rogers, present or future, however you want to look at.

20:18 I like the fact that you have those little ties that that bind them, even though Brianna and Roger are completely in. Different time. But I love it too, because it's like everything that happens, I'm like, how does it relate? So just like that little, you know, in the opening credits, you know, they always show scenes from episodes. They showed the thing about the desk, you know, where somebody was pulling the covers off the desk. So I was like, OK, So what desk is that? I'm trying to remember if there was a desk that was in the first season or in maybe, let's see, not the first scene.

21:02 Yeah, yeah, Jamie did go back to Scotland. Was that the first season or no, wait, no, it was. So I was trying to figure out, I was like, OK, so this desk is going to be important at some point, but I like again seeing how that, how that's going to tie together because even though they have the chest from Jamie and Claire. We haven't really seen them mess with it. We definitely didn't see them mess with this episode. No, just the he just had the mud.

21:43 That's all he had. And he was like, rubbing it and was like, yeah, why is this coming out? He was like, oh wait, this is good. Gold. Yes. And then here we go again. I knew you was about to say that when they did that in the episode when he was talking about the gold and he showed it to Brianna. And she was like, or he was like, Do you think we should ask Jeremiah? And again I said go ask your child. He's getting too old for this. I know. Because my time, he's 16. You'll be like, I don't even know what you're talking about anymore. I can't even find it for you. I kind of feel like Jimmy, even though he's living in this time now, I feel like he's still holding on to, like, the memories of. His and he is.

22:30 I don't. I don't think it all, but still ask him now because he could, he could show you a little bit better when y'all go where the gold is. This is true because yes, because you're in the they're in the 1980s now there. So of course things will have changed because even when they, when they came through the stones at Ocracoke, you know, Ocracoke and the past had all of the trees, it was a full river. And then when they came through the stones and they were walking, the river had all but dried up. So we don't know what else. What other changes have happened in that part of North Carolina been stuff torn down, construction.

23:16 I know there's not too much you're going to do to get rid of a cave. But it's not much, and it depends on what area is if it's a hike. They'll be okay, but there's a subdivision somewhere around there or some, you know, cabins, you know, like how we go to the cabins. But that's it. Yeah, but it's. But the landscape around it is going to change. So it should be different for him. He won't know like. He won't know Like, Oh my goodness, this is so. Ask the child. Don't think about it. When I saw it, I said, oh, Michelle's going to be like, yes, ask him, Yes, I'm thinking, oh, this is where they going to call him in. You're worried about some biscuits missing? No.

24:05 Let's find out about this gold Okay. And so that's the other thing, because Jimmy is talking about this knucklevee and he says that they've been seeing someone or something, and this thing threatened to hurt Mandy if he said anything about it. And I was like, so in the books when I was reading, I was up to the part about the knucklevee. And that's what I was talking to you about when I said there's something going on with Jimmy and Mandy keep coming across like a spirit or a person there. But I never found out who or what that thing was. I didn't get that far. So now we're at a point in the show where I'm complete.

24:46 Like I have no idea what's going on completely. So I'm here, yeah. I I don't, I'm, I don't know if it's a spirit or a person. I'm feeling like if he eating a biscuits or she eating a biscuits, it has to be a yeah, that'd be a physical being, but I'm like. Because the Spirit is not going to want to eat to crisp and biscuits with honey. But it does call the question who, Yeah, like who? Like, is this somebody who has ties to Jamie's family, or is it somebody who has ties to Roger? Could it be a, could it be another traveler who knows about them? And it's like, I don't.

25:30 I don't. Know it's like I'm not wanted to be one of those three things, though. I don't want it to be like a complete stranger that has no point. No, I wanted it to be some someone connected to the family. It has to be. It will be real. I'll take a traveler. I'll take a relative. See, I thought at first I was like, maybe it could be like one of them traveling through through time or whatever. You know, like, you know how you see sometimes you'll see somebody seeing a version of themselves. But even if it was, let's say, Roger traveling back from some other time or whatever, I don't think that he would threaten the.

26:23 No, he wouldn't have. Not him. No. So I definitely don't think it would be Bree or Claire, because. But you know what? Roger would do it if he's thinking about. See this is where other time travel movies. Played in my head about the paradox and you don't want the paradox to happen. So the only way for the kids not to say daddy is you eating the biscuits is the threatening and say don't say anything about me because but. I don't. But it's not. It's not Roger. It's not Roger. He wouldn't say I'll hurt Mandy. If you say something, he wouldn't do that. And then like, like you said, Jim would recognize if it was his father, right? That's what I'm saying.

27:07 So it it, it can't be the immediate family. So it has to be like a relative because at this point and you will be able to help me. So where is Jamie sister's kids besides Ian? Like, where's their great grandkids? Like, where are the rest of the family? Are they spread out? I mean, I don't know. Do they talk about in the books at all? Not that I know I haven't gotten. That like, where where they are, Like, are they in America or moved? Yeah, because you got to think like, well, so I remember back in season two or three had to be two.

27:54 It was before. It was before Jamie sent Claire back. He signed the deed. Matter of fact, was it Ian that he signed the deed over to you Remember, right before, right before the Battle of Culloden, Jamie and Claire went to sign over the deed of Lallybrock. That way, when he died, Lallybrock would stay safe. Or I think it was before. He did. I remember it. But who I think it was in, I'm thinking. So if that was the case, Ian's children, if they did go back to Scotland, if he had children, we don't know what's going on. We do know that there's a little flirtation with him and Miss Hunter, but is that enough to result in a marriage? And if so, if Ian decided to go back to Scotland, would she have gone with him?

28:54 I have no idea about these, right? We have no idea. So that's just that's the hard part. So I I would, I would probably say it's safe to say that maybe just throughout the generations, Jamie's family scattered. Just kind of scattered and I hate that. Just, I guess just kind of got left by the wayside until Roger and Rihanna. Got it for it. But I I don't know. You know, at first I thought I was like okay, maybe it's when to go down or coming back like, but I was like, no, he wouldn't have known about Lally Brock. Because it has to be, right.

29:35 I don't know who it could be to sit there. And obviously he's been coming more than once for, you know, Jimmy to mention it. This is not just a one time thing like, oh, the knuckle, the knuckle of V you know, we saw one one time. I don't think. I think it's a recurring thing, or at least it was in the books where it was somebody who was coming regularly. But I think Roger and Brianna thought that Jim was just kind of making it up at first, because of course he missed everything. And he couldn't talk about, you know, granddad. Yeah, so, so, I don't know, but it's like I'm trying to speculate and just from what we know about time travel and the people that we know, I feel like I was like okay. So can't be clear.

30:31 It's not Brianna, it's not Roger. Those three? Definitely not aside from Galas Duncan. I mean, it could be one of her other descendants, because Roger is a descendant of hers. So you know, but I I don't know. What if it's or or it could be Roger's dad. Oh, that's a good theory. Could be, it could be. I still don't. Because you said that he was. He's missing. But we're figuring out what? Did they actually say where he is? In the books, like is he in the stones or is he missing? Like I think far as Roger knows, his father died, but I don't think I don't.

31:23 I don't recall the details on that, like whether or not they ever found him or whether he was trapped in the stones. I do remember that there. Was I hear a lot about Trapped in the stones. So I'm like, well, maybe he's out of the stones. Could be. I still don't know if I feel like he would say I will hurt your sister. I will hurt her if you say anything about me, especially if he's figuring out that this is his family. But again, the other thing is if it's Rogers father, unless he followed them from the Wakefield residence to Lally Brock, I don't see why he would be there at Lallybrock because he wouldn't know of Rogers connection to. Lally, no.

32:05 But he could have followed, you know what I'm saying? He could have followed them, yeah. And that's another thing too. I was like, how far is the Wakefield residence from Lallybrock? Because for them to be staying in a caravan in front of Lallybrock for two years while it's being renovated, I was like, look, we can go stay at the. I think it's. I think it's far. Yeah, it was like a day trip. I think it's far, Yeah, yeah, I know that. But the caravan look nice. I mean, they got a decoration on the outside. So I'm like, OK, so it's taking some time to really make years though you're in in that little thing with little kids, first of all. But land?

32:49 Look at the land. Once we go outside, it's like the people who live in RV's. We just going to go to sleep in there and when it rains and but you are a young married couple there's like how do you find private. Time you go to the house and lay a blanket down when the kids are sleeping. They've been, they were out, they've been outside a lot of times and in that house, in the one room that's renovated. The first room was the kitchen, so they probably not all over that kitchen.

33:29 Look his office. Look good. Stay in that office, too, on the desk. That office looks good. Right in the chair, though, to think about this is supposed to be Lolly Brock. And the sea is so, you know, for those times modernized. It's just it's really weird because I'm sitting there trying to imagine, like, you remember seeing Lally Brock earlier on and I was just like, OK, so where are where were those stairs supposed to be? And I know that was where he brought them in to talk to them. So it was so weird to see no stone, no floors, all of that. And it's like just trying to imagine Jenny coming down those stairs pregnant and standing by the fireplace. It was.

34:13 It's so strange to think about it like that and to see it the way it is now. You know, oh, look, remember that secret room in the pantry? That's still that works, yes, because that's the place where Jimmy locked Amanda, right? So they got, they got plenty of, they got plenty of spaces. This is true, but I'm sorry, plenty of spaces I'm not. I'm not trying to have relations on a stone floor. That's just that can't be comfortable. They have. No. Well, now it's not. I didn't say they were laying, but okay, we're going to leave Brianna a little bit because we got some other Well, no, let's go.

35:03 Let's. I I loved how she got her job. Oh, yes, Okay, Yes. Let's go ahead and talk about that and then we'll go back to the other interesting stuff. Yeah, I love how she got her job. She's definitely her mother's daughter. Yeah, she is. And it really did take Roger a minute to understand. Honey, we're not back in the day. I need you to be a little bit more present. You know, I'm an independent woman. I'm going to go to work. Yeah. And I don't, you know, it's it's strange seeing it that way, but I think a lot of that for Roger, if you think about it, when he first went back in time for her, he had some of the same struggles because he couldn't really do what he had been doing back in the past because how do you go from teaching history to teaching current?

36:02 Current affairs, current events without kind of overseeing. And then, you know, then he got conscripted into to the war. And it's like all of that stuff that he learned during the times when he should have been building a career for himself. Now that he's back here, it's like. What I do, he's writing, he's writing. But he did say, and it's fine, I I I feel like sometimes we give people a hard time, sometimes when they say that they a little a touch, he said. I'm a bit oldfashed. Yeah, because you can integrate those two. He's a little oldfashioned. That's Okay. He just wanted his. He just feels like he should be able to support them. But it's Okay, honey.

36:47 But the other you'll find the gold and you can't support it. But I think that the kind of double meaning behind that I'm oldfashioned. Roger was a modern guy and he went backwards to 200 years and he had to live amongst men in that time. And even though, yes, Brianna was still a little more independent than the women of that time, he still had not necessarily an image, He still had responsibilities and he still had expectations that he was expected to maintain for that time period. And so I think. And this one too. And this one. And this one too, because we're not like it's current, we're not in the present.

37:33 So you got to go back to where they are. And he should be supporting his, you know, family. But he, he has a highly, highly strong, independent woman. He does. But also how do you support them when the one thing you were so confident about doing your faith has now been shaken? So it's kind of like you're coming back to this thing probably like close to your 30s now, if he's not already 30, or maybe a little bit older than that. And Oh yeah, cuz Claire, 61. That means they are close to 40 now, but you have to come back to a time and now you have to read.

38:18 You have to figure out who you are again, because you have to. Be a pastor, being a pastor, and now your face is taken because you're like, hey, if God, if God existed, if God was in control, then how were we able to do this? How were we able to change the the past so that your parents survived? And because they have no clue that the obituary was placed in error, so technically speaking they they probably didn't change anything. You know, you didn't think about that, knowing that. No, Roger has no way of knowing that, so. It's But honestly, they they didn't change it.

38:59 It was always going to happen this way. That's the whole that's the whole problem with time travel. It was always going to happen this way. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but they don't get they don't know that because one, they didn't know what date the the obituary was. They just read. They just remember that Jamie and Claire died in the fire. Well, the fire happened and they didn't die, so he's just automatically assuming, oh hey, we changed it. You know, not realize. Oh, the obituary was actually placed after the fire, because someone else thought that. They were dead. Yeah, so. And you are always going to go back and Brianna was always going to make that match. And she shouldn't have made and clear was in the car and the airplane.

39:50 But that's another day or time. Yeah, we'll talk about that in another. But yeah, so if it, I don't know, Roger's going to have to figure some stuff out. Like he probably could go back to teaching. But he won. He's been gone for so long, he's probably going to have to go back to school, at least for a little bit. He's going to have to, you know, again, they've been back for roughly 2 years, maybe close to three years at this point. But still, is that enough time for you to catch up on everything and then fall back into the role that you were in before you left? You have a whole different set of life experience now than when you were here before. And it's kind of like, how do you, how do you go and teach what you're supposed to teach when you have insider knowledge of other things that happen that may not be public knowledge that may not be in the history books?

40:49 How do you go and and integrate what you know with what you're supposed to teach and still when keep yourself safe? Because of course, if you start saying some things that you may not need to be saying, people are going to start looking at you like OK, something is. Wrong. Yeah, we had to commit him. Yeah. So it's one of those things where I guess Roger's going to have to figure it out. But in the meantime, Brianna knows what she wants to do. She's been knowing what she wanted to do. And even when she was at The Ridge, she was doing those things, you know, she was trying to figure out how to do like not necessarily indoor plumbing but you know, try to figure out a way to get them water and to do this and to do that. So this is kind of right up her alley. But yeah, let's talk about the that interview, because when it happens, when she said she had a job interview and she was sitting there and the guy was sitting there eating the sandwich and what did he say?

41:58 If you could, don't you want to go get us some coffee? If you could, if you could follow those directions, you're going to do good here. I was like whatever job she's applying for, I don't. I don't see that. Working out at all because of the way that he was talking to her and then when she was looking at the cafeteria lady, like, Can you believe this, the cafeteria lady is looking at her like this is this is what happens. This is normal. Like, she wasn't bothered by it. And then when Breanna sits down and she gives him her resume and she was like, so here are my qualifications. I've studied this, I've done this, I've done this work and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was looking at her.

42:39 He was like, hold up. I think there's a misunderstanding. We're needing the secretary. She was like, okay. That's all well and good, but that's. Not what I'm applying for. That's not what I'm here for. I'm here for the plan inspector position. It's like, but you can't do that, you're a woman, she said. And the way that she said, because it was like she was, she was confident of what she was going to ask, But at the same time, I think she was trying to figure out, OK, is this the right thing for me to do? Like she was kind of, I don't want to say hesitant, but it's like she's trying to, she's trying to be tactful, but she's also trying to say you're not about to push me away.

43:25 And it just came across she was like, So what part of this job requires you to have a penis? And the guy was like. Like, did she just say that to me? He was looking around like, did anybody else hear her saying? And then he was like, that's it's a rough job. You know and then and she she did it with look at her face. Like, I'm really asking you because like maybe I read the description of the job wrong. Like, what requires you to have, right? Like this is not rhetorical. And he was like, oh, this job is rough and you know, the guys or blah, blah, blah. She was like, so you mean to tell me that you hire, you hire guys that will assault with.

44:07 And he was like, no, no, But I was like she is definitely her mother's daughter because she is just telling him and he's just looking so uncomfortable. Like everything that he's saying she's rebutting. And then she was like, oh, OK, so while we're here, let me tell you that I saw you had water coming out the spillway over the dam. And it should be doing this and it should be doing that. And that means that this is wrong and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, if you give me a moment, I can tell you what's wrong with it. I can tell you how to fix it efficiently. And you know, he was just looking at her like, what else can I say? Clear.

44:48 Do you need to give her the job, right? Because after all of that, she's clearly proven that she knows what she's doing. And. She can handle the men. We'll see. We'll see. But I mean, for now, she can handle him. Right. But I'm. I'm kind of feeling like you she can handle the men, if you can handle the men back in, back in the day. This is so you know what I'm saying? So like, honey, I've been through a lot. I can handle this job but. They're not going to scare me off. No, they're not. But she didn't even have that problem back. Well, I will say this too.

45:33 Aside from Stephen Bonnet, nobody really messed with her like that. No, because she had a lot of confidence beforehand. I mean, we can say all we want to say about her dad. But he did a lot with her, you know what I'm saying? So I guess like you said, he knew that she was going to go back because he he prepared. I don't feel like she prepared it because I'm going to be honest with you. We can we can all disagree or agree. I don't know how it's written in the books. I don't feel like she was really close to her mom until after the truth came out. Yeah, we, yeah, we talked about that. We thought, OK, so we're all clear on their relationship was.

46:16 Exchange. So she's like her mother. She's like her mother. She's already was strong. But her dad also like continued to Foster and encourage that. Yeah. So because, I mean Claire, like I said a couple of episodes ago, she could only, I feel like there was that wall between her and Brianna. Because of course, one you look at Brianna, you see Jamie, and this is somebody that you loved so desperately, so deeply, so, like completely. And you can't even talk about it because of the agreement you made with Frank? So then I feel like not only because she looked like Jamie, but also because she may have been compelled to tell Brianna the truth at any moment. And so instead of doing that, she's just like, OK, you know what?

47:10 And I don't think it's something she did. No. And and then input and then pursuing her career, she just, she just went full steam ahead too, you know what I'm saying? And she knew she was being taken care of with Frank. I don't think it was purpose, but you know she just had a little distance with her daughter and that happens. So I think in a in a sense that also made Brianna tougher too, you know, because she did have to kind of stand up for herself in a lot of things. And then you go 200 years into the past and you have a father like Jamie Fraser who's going to, one, also teach you about what you need to survive back then.

47:53 And two, is not going to let anybody touch her, you know? And then she had Roger as well. So, yeah, what was it Roger said, He said, I'm not worried about you. I'm. I'm worried about the men that you're going to be working for because they don't know what that they don't know what they have coming. They don't because they think, oh, this she a regular woman. And she's probably, she's probably going to be smaller than the rest of them. Like they'll probably have some big dudes working and then she's going to be this little thing and they're going to be like, are we supposed to take orders from her? No, because, you know, that's how it is, especially this 1980s.

48:38 Yeah, it's probably going to be. So we about to see, but yeah, that was, that was a very fun, fun interview. I don't think you don't have many interviews like that. That was a fun one to watch. That dude, he just looked like, what the hell to say? No, you can. In real life, we're not going to have one of those interviews because we're not going to get a job. Nope. It worked for her. It's going to be the little more submissive or a. Little more. Whatever. Whatever. Especially when you can't ask a person, just imagine you being you ask. So what part of the job requires a penis? Do you already know? Go ahead and walk away, right?

49:23 Because in this day and age somebody, you ask somebody that they're probably going to be like, oh, that's a walking HR violation. Let me not let. Me, because they will find some things that we're doing wrong, but they'll probably be like, oh. She's the type of person who's going to say anything. And yeah, they're not going to want to deal with that. No. And see when there's injustices and. And point them out, yeah. So yeah, let's see. Anything else we need to discuss about the future before we go back to the past? Because I really want to talk about Mr. No, The future of Ellesmere. The future is good.

50:08 OK? The future is good. So let's talk about the 9th girl of Ellesmere, Mr. William Ransom. So at the beginning of the episode, we see him and his cousin Hal's son, which I was like, where the hell is Hal? You know Laura, John's brother? I don't know. He was still alive, but apparently he is. And his son is also part of the army. He's getting shipped out to New York, and William is not yet. I don't think he's been assigned anywhere. But while they're out, you know, drinking, first of all, the cousin puking his guts out, mouthful of vomit stuff, and you going to pull out your you going to pull out your flask and share your alcohol with the same person. I was like, you know what?

51:02 This is why people back in the 1700s got sick and died so much. Yeah, like I understand alcohol is supposed to kill germs, but ill he literally just finished throwing up anyway. So they come around the corner and there's a commotion because one of the British officers has been in a whorehouse and he has kicked the whore out onto the street because he says she has the pox and tried to give it to him. Now of course, she claims that she didn't. She didn't know and he is being very cruel to her and being encouraged to do it by his other soldiers. While William and his cousin kind of look on and horror, that is the one thing I will say. William had a look of horror on his face. So I was like okay.

51:50 We see he did not like the other British soldiers. So this dude sets this woman on fire and everybody else is just sitting there chanting, let her burn, let her burn or whatever it was they were chanting. William is the only person who comes to her aid. He takes off his coat, he puts it on her, but it's a little too late because the fire has raised just that much and she's like severely injured. So then he gets ready to fight the person who set her on fire. And of course, you know, commanding officer comes out and the the Madam of the whorehouse comes out and they have to break up the fight. But immediately I was like, OK, so and I feel like from the beginning you're you're showing us who William is as a person because.

52:43 It's only even we we have only met him as a child, and then that brief introduction with him and Lord John when Brianna meets him. So you're showing us this is a man who is compassionate, this is a man who is not cruel, very much like his birth father and very much like Lord John. Right. And you had to, because that doesn't. Just because your dad is compassionate and kind, the one that's raising your Lord John doesn't mean that you are. So we needed to see what type of character he is. So he is a loyal soldier to Britain and the next day he is called by his commanding officer to complete a task. You know, the commanding officer, even kind of, you know, praises him for what he did.

53:38 He said, I heard that there was some trouble last night. I also heard only one soldier stepped in and you know, William was like, it didn't do much good because apparently the, you know, she died. But the commanding officer says to him, he was like, but you know, it takes a strong person or brave person to stand up to your fellow soldiers because everybody else knows, I I can guarantee you, if it wasn't for William's title, they probably would have jumped him that night for stepping in, for confronting the other soldier. They probably would have, they probably would have attacked him, they probably would have beaten him.

54:22 But because he is who he is, they're not going to touch him, not to. Me who his dad is, you're not going to touch him. So I kind of feel like the the mission that the officer gave to William, I feel like, yes, you gave it to him because of the type of character he has where you know that he is loyal, he is strong, he is going to do what he's supposed to do. But I also feel like you did it to kind of get him away from those other people as well so that that that kind of thing won't happen. But he gives, he gives William 3 missives and he's like, they're supposed to go to these three people don't look at the contents and their names will not be on it.

55:10 So you have to memorize the names. So William takes off on his horse to go to, I think it was Virginia, where he's supposed to deliver these letters. Now while he's getting ready, while he's doing this, he comes across a snake in the road and his horse gets startled and bucks him off the horse. He rolls down the hill and as he's rolling a stick, embeds itself in his arm. No. And he was looking at that like, Oh my God, that's so gross. And looking at his wound, and that's so gross. And I was sitting here thinking to myself, Hanukkah, you watch The Walking Dead every fucking week. And this is gross.

55:56 I thought the same thing, though. I was like his arm, that stick it it yeah, it looks painful. Well, because with everything that happens in The Walking Dead, you're like, OK, but this is something like, literally, I can go outside and stumble and that can happen to me. So it was a little. Bit more realistic so that like that literally can happen. He's doing it in a time where they don't have antibiotics, he does access, declares Penicillin. Well. Like, pulled the stick out, dude. Pulled it out, pulled the stick out, pulled it out and wrapped his arm. Now I would give. I would give it to him. He kept going on his mission through the Great Dismal Swamp. He kept going.

56:43 He kept. He kept on with his mission on foot because his horse bolted after the whole snake incident. But of course you can see him as he's going through. He's getting weaker and weaker from the blood loss or maybe at this point his arm has gotten infected or something like that. So he's standing by the stream and he hears something and he turns around in this in and roll out because Ian like he told Jamie he went to go treat with was it the the Squaney he said Indians where he try to say hey you guys come fight on our side instead of on the British side. So Ian comes to him and they have a little conversation and William is proud but he's also hurt so he has to ask for help. He's asking for food and drink.

57:36 And Ian was like you don't look like you have any money. He was like, I don't have any now, but I can get, I can get you some And then you know that's when Ian sees the wound and he asked him his name and when he says William Ransom Ian's like. I know who you are, my cousin. So he does tell William that you know Jamie is his uncle and that he knows Lord John. He also said, yeah, I've met you before too, when you came to Fraser's Ridge. That was so long ago. And William is like, I I'm sorry, I don't remember. So they start having conversations about different things.

58:17 And he asked William, excuse me. William asked Ian about his time with the Mohawk. And they they come to a conversation where they talking about death. Because William, of course, is thinking that he's probably going to die because of this disinfection. And it's so weird because he's saying this. And then at the same time he's telling he's telling Ian he doesn't need a doctor. Because Ian is like, we got to find you a doctor. I don't need a doctor. He was like, yeah, OK. You need a doctor so Ian gets to work cleaning out the wound because still has wood splinters in it which I'm like those out you can walk around for how long with wood splinters you weren't even thinking that.

58:58 You just took the big chunk out and was like OK I'm good wrap it up and keep going. But the moment that your arm got this big and it's red like yours, your uniform something should have told you to look at that wound and see what was going on. But you know I guess they don't do medical. I guess they don't do first Day 101 and British soldier training. So they're having a conversation about death songs and Ian was telling telling him about death songs that the that the Mohawk do when you know someone comes to the end of their life and you know they sing songs about them. And so William starts trying to to compose his own death song, even though, as he says, he doesn't have enough life experience to put in a death song. So he names his full name, William, Clarence, whatever, whatever, whatever.

59:55 And then he says, no, that's too long. And then he says his name again, William James. And Ian just kind of looks at him and I was like name Jamie gave him when he made him a quote UN quote, stinking papist and. He. Said I want to papers name too. And Jamie named to William James. I was like, you don't remember most of the other stuff, but you remember that, right? But but then how would Ian, Why would Ian look like? That's interesting? Because he did look like Because he. Had the name James because, remember, William doesn't know that Jamie is his father.

1:00:36 Oh, because oh, the James. OK, yeah, I ain't thinking about it. That would because if you name your if you, that's obvious. I wasn't thinking about it. Yeah. If you say your name is William Clarence, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this other stuff. And then my short name is William James. Like, why would you come up with the name James just all of a sudden? So I think at that point, William, I mean, Ian really knew like, oh, OK, so Uncle gave him that name, even if William does not remember that, but he does remember that name. And I was just like, oh that. To me, that was I I don't know. It it kind of touched me because every time that we've seen William, like even the time when he came to Fraser's Ridge, that wasn't that long after Jamie left Hellwater, you know, it may have been a few years, but it shouldn't have been long enough that William wouldn't have remembered him. And even though, yes, in that episode when we saw the meet again, he was like, was your name Mac? Did you used to be the, you know, the stable man or the groom at you know, hell water.

1:01:55 Do you know me? Do you Remember Me? That sort of thing. It's like even though he doesn't remember certain things like he he didn't remember meeting Ian at Fraser's Ridge and there's only a few other things that he does remember from that time. Clearly that stuck out sounds like. Okay. I wonder now that he's older, like will he start putting things together if it start like Because even though granted he does not look exactly like Jamie because of course you would literally have to find a twin of Sam Hewan, I feel like they did good with the casting. He does have enough of a look that would make you think if you put him and Jamie together you would probably look and be like. Something about the way he carries himself, you know, and I know that's probably conscious on the actors part. So yeah, he's a big boy too.

1:02:55 Yeah, yeah, but I was just like when he said William James. I was like okay then Ian is sitting there like Okay. I'm I'm sitting here treating my cousin and I can't say that you're my cousin, but. It's one of those things where I think Ian feels like okay, Even though you are a redcoat, I have an obligation to you because you are family. So he does, Yeah. So he does take William to a town where he is heard that there is a doctor and this is where we meet the hunters. And I was like, okay the moment Miss Hunter. Stepped outside and she started talking. The way she looked at Ian and the way he looked at her, I was like, this is gonna be Ian's happy ending. Yeah, I was like Sparkles Can.

1:03:47 I I'm excited so and I don't know anything about the hunters from the book. I don't know anything. I haven't heard anything, so I'm just speculating. But I was like, that was a look that passed there and they wanted us to see it because they they had both had a pause looking at each other like, oh, like you're familiar, like there's a connection. Hey, Rachel didn't. Rachel couldn't even speak, though. Rachel came out, got the horse and looked at in and looked at her. Yeah. So I thought it was interesting. I was like, OK, so you guys are showing us who Ian's future wife is.

1:04:33 OK, cool. I don't know. I don't know if this is his future wife. I'm just speculating. Like I said, because of the look, I'm like, yeah, there's about to be something here. I was too. And then I was thinking, OK, now we have diverted to one of my other romance novels because by the end of the episode, Rachel was a tab bit friendly with William, with William and William. But William flirts with everyone, I realized, because he was halfway flirting with his sister and he was flirting with Rachel. So William's A flirt. William is just charismatic and flirting with when the women come around. Yeah, well, I mean, he goes by honestly. Yeah, he does.

1:05:18 That's what I'm saying. So he. Even with Laura John. Even though we know Laura John is gay and we know that he has no interest in the women, the time being him. Yes, the women have all been like, like when he came to Brianna's rescue and offered to marry her, like all the men in the room were pissed. All the women in the room were like, Oh my God, like he's choosing her, He's choosing her. And then what was the other instant? I think it was Jacosta's wedding where he was there dancing and there were some women looking like, oh, Lord John, right. So he, he got, he got it honest, right. So he was he was kind of flirting with, you know, Rachel too at the end when she was, you know, shaving his face. So I was like, wait a second, is this going to be a be a little triangle?

1:06:11 Well, I I was thinking about that too. Because when, when they come. You know, at this point William is pretty much, he's in bad shape and. When Ian leaves like Okay, they go through this whole thing where they have William on the table and they think they're going to have to amputate his arm because the infection is that big. That was funny, that. That was hilarious. He was like, I don't think so. You're not cutting my arm off. He was like, I would rather die than you cut my arm off. And Ian was like, you are not about to have my uncle slit my throat because I let his son die. Absolutely. The fuck not. You were going to get this arm cut off and you were going to live to fight another day, right? This is not it for you, Sir.

1:06:59 Right. And I don't know if it was just that he was weak or if it was just the. It it could have been just the intensity of Ian. But at some point William is like, OK, do what you got to do. And just as Denzel is about to cut the arm off, he like, he touches it and all of this pus starts oozing. He was like, oh, OK, so we don't have to cut his arm off now because it's draining. We can get all this out and we can treat it. And again, I'm looking at this pus and I was like, that is nasty. That is nasty. But I watch The Walking Dead every week. But that is still nasty. Yeah, it's different. Look, it's different.

1:07:42 It is so different. Right. So while William is recovering, that's when Ian takes his lead. He he, you know, he takes the horse he leaves some money for for William. For them to care for William. And you can kind of see this, like you said, this little flirtation between him and Rachel. And then later on in the episode, you do see a flirtation with her and William. But I think depending on how much time has elapsed, that could explain that because one Ian has left, she doesn't think she's going to see Ian again. So yeah, he was cute to flirt with, but I may never run across his path again. And as far as we can tell, it's just it's just her and her brother.

1:08:27 They're in the house, they're Quakers and she probably doesn't have many interactions with men. So of course you see a good looking man come, or rather you see two of them come in at the same day. You feel like who won the lottery, then why leaves and then here's the other one. And once he's all cleaned up and not oozing of stinking plus you look good. It's charming. He's charismatic. If this is what I have to work with, I can flirt with this too. So I don't know if it's going to be a love triangle. I don't know what's going to happen. Like I said, I don't know anything about the hunters from the books, but I just kind of felt like, especially because you in particular have been saying that you need Ian to have his happily ever after.

1:09:24 That this is probably going to be the start of that, but then that also makes me worry because of what Arch Bug said to him. I'll come for you when you have something to look, when you have something precious to lose. And I was like because, right. And that was just like when that just last episode for us and then now this episode, you introduced a woman that was like, how sweet gonna be. Could be his wife. And even though we just met them, I like the Hunters already. I do too. I do. I like them. I do too. So now I'm like, Oh no.

1:10:09 It's strange for me hearing a white man with the name Denzel, though, because the only one I know is Denzel Washington and. I keep thinking about the interview. He did an interview on the Graham Norton Show, I think it was. And he said what is real? How to really say his? Name. How you really say his name and it's Denzel and I was just like. Oh, that's that's interesting. But OK, whatever. But I'm just and I read. I feel like it was a woman who said Denzel. Because they just like saying the saying his name out and so just saying Denzel. He said his mother, or rather he's he made it Denzel because his father is also Denzel. So whenever his mom would call for Denzel, both of them would respond He, you know, he kind of sort of changed the pronunciation so that they could differentiate because it's just so interesting, you know?

1:11:12 Denzel and Denzel. Denzel. Right. You out on the point? Denzel. Mmhmm. Mmhmm. Yeah, Mmhmm. OK. I just say probably when his girlfriend said that name long Denzel, he said, oh, I like that. OK, I'll have my mom call me. That is a little different from the day stop. So yeah, it was it was interesting. But I do like the hunters though. I do I. Do they seem like they are the type of people who, and I don't know much about Quaker religion, so I don't know what their beliefs are and you know how they do things. But these two characters, they seem like they are very steadfast and who they are and very uncompromising who they are.

1:12:08 But also, it's nice to come across some strangers who don't automatically try to kill you or think that you're doing, you know, just they just seem genuinely nice and like, even though they didn't know what was going on, I mean, think about it. You have someone who looks like a Mohawk Indian and you have a red coat coming to your house. You don't know what the situation is. You already, I'm sure you already know that there's talk of war. So. You don't know what's going on. He could have been, you know, shot whatever, could be bringing trouble to your door. But they still opened up their home to help him.

1:12:49 And then when Ian left him, it, it wasn't like, oh, you have to take him with you. No, we'll take care of him until this time for him to, you know, to leave or whatever. So yeah, I like them. I'm very interested to see how this thing with with Rachel is going to go. I I got to say William for now because again Ian has left. But that would be interesting to see how that happens, because she, it almost reminds me of, it kind of reminds me a little bit of Lizzy with the twins, like the the way that they were kind of sneaking those looks at each other and like.

1:13:33 So which twin is she going to end up with, not knowing that she's going to end up with both of them? But yeah, so it's it's it's going to be interesting to see what the hunters and in particular Rachel, bring to the show. Like I said, I really, I really do want this to be like Ian's happily ever after because he deserves it. But yeah, that's going to be interesting. But it's also nice to have another Doctor on the show, so one who seems like he knows what he's doing, right? So And then the and the great. And she's a great assistant too, so someone else to learn.

1:14:19 I want to know. I want to know the so I'm thinking, well, we're going to have to see the hunters again because it's just kind of hard for you just to throw them in here. And then they're gone once William goes about his way to deliver his papers. Yeah, no, I think they're going to be around for a minute. OK. Yeah, at least for a few episodes. If anything, like I said, if you don't know they're in the books or not, I. Think they are. That's what I was saying. I haven't read it, but I think. They are, and I think she does have a relationship with Ian. I don't know if it's the happily ever after type, but I I do think I will take anything right now for him. I'm desperate for love.

1:15:07 For Ian, I don't. I don't care. We had to do the The Bachelor and this is just one of them. I and we get another. I don't care. He deserves some love and some peace he does. And to live on the farm, I don't care. I mean, they have. I'm telling you right now. I am telling you they. Do they got the water right in front of them? But I'll tell you right now so I'm happy to Ian, I I swear you I will no longer be on this podcast. I will burn every book. Some bad not happen to him. I can't say whether or not something does or doesn't because I because I understand Jamie and Claire have lived a full life and they found love and whatever ending we get, we going to get and I'm going to be OK with that. But Ian has been through some shit. You saying it with your chest?

1:16:14 So I need him to be OK at the end. I live an old man with a lot of kids. I just need that. That's all I need. That's what I need for him. Oh, that's what I'm sitting here looking right now. So that's how Ian got him to agree to be a amputation. He was like. He was like, no, we still need a proper you can't die. We still need a proper death song for you. You ain't dead shit yet. Oh yeah. But also because when he told them he they couldn't amputate, Rachel was like, then get thyself off thy table. She was like, oh, and we can't save your life.

1:16:55 You can get the hell on because we're not going to have you just sit here and die. Ooh, that puss. It's just so gross. It's so gross, but that was funny. Like, OK, if we're not going to attempt this, then you can just move around, move about your business, get on your horse and leave and we clean up for the next person. Right, get off my table. Stop putting your germs on my table. We got to eat later on. Oh goodness. But yeah, so the look. The little flirty miss after Ian leaves. She's sitting there shaving William and yeah, they're having the conversation.

1:17:39 I was sitting there looking, I was like, yeah, this looks like it's going to be a thing too, right? That's always like, I'm confused. I'm very confused. Like, again, I I can understand. William is a nice looking man and you think that you're not going to see him. That's true. But you had a what? You think a bad boy show up with a wolf and then you have the good boy in the uniform who has a uniform. You ain't seen the uniform yet, but once you cleaned them up, you realize he got some money.

1:18:21 Oh yeah, no, because at this point they don't know that William is a soldier. No, but she know he has some money that he comes from something. I think she said she kind of said it like she said something that indicate like, oh, OK, you you know, you're about business. You're you're something or what not. And then you got Ian the bad boy with the with the wolf not the dog. But hey. Right now, here's the He's my favorite type of dog he is. He's so gorgeous. Here's the other very interesting thing about that shaving scene.

1:19:03 So while she's putting the the lather on his face, she tells William it is a shame that you can't keep your beard. It is of a very striking color and I'm sitting here looking at his stubble. It's coming in very Auburn red. So yeah, y'all are about to start putting things into motion, because, you know, I told you at some point William does find out that Jamie is his father. I don't know where in the books or how far off we are, but I feel like you're giving us all of these things now because you're preparing us for that. So yeah, well, how many episodes do we have this season? 17.

1:19:58 We have 17. So we have 10 more to go from because, I mean, seven just showed. So we have 10 more. OK, so then he's going to find out this season you think it's. Seven OK yeah. Oh. Wow. Yeah, I mean, we're do wait a minute. We're doing 4 currently right now. Episode 4. What is currently out? No, it's six just came out. Six just came out. OK, yes. So 11 more, Yes.

1:20:39 William is going to have to find out, yeah. Especially because the final season is only 7 episodes I think. That's all we need. And so in this season, 16 episodes, 16, OK, so 10 more. So what we going to get is that he going to find out about his death and we going to find that gold. We're probably not going to find the gold until the second-half of the of the season because they're they're splitting the season. In the episode Parts. Wait a second, Hold on a second. Hold on.

1:21:19 So we have two more episodes and then we have a hiatus. For how long? I don't. It better be like the other shows that we watch for a month. From what I am seeing on Google right now, it says the second-half later in 2024, so I don't know when in 2024 we are getting them. Well, we don't go back to the shave. What what I was saying was Rachel has said on your speech is better than your clothes. And I can tell you from great caliber, that's how you're presenting yourself, how he presents himself.

1:22:05 Yeah, because he's trying to keep from saying who he is. Yeah, but you can't hide, but you can't hide up that upbring that he has. So I was going to say you can't hide that breathing. Right. You got throw some slang words in there, Sir. And he. I know he's not. No, no. And you don't hang out in the wilderness, so we clearly know that. Well, he, you know, that's he's talking to her. And he does talk about the hunting in the Great Dismal Swamp because she does ask how he came to be there or how he knows. And he was like, Oh, yeah, I've hunted. I've hunted there before. You know, Doesn't he doesn't tell her, Oh yeah, on a plantation kind of in these parts or anything like that.

1:22:49 But that's when he starts asking her if he mentions something about, I think he, he mentions one of the people he's supposed to be looking for, or she does. And he was like, oh, is it such and such? Oh, and he's known. What is it? He is a friend. He is a friend of someone known to me. And he finds out that that person is a rebel. So when she gets off the porch, she's sitting there looking like why am I delivering something from the commanding officer of the British Army to 1? Of these vehicles. So he starts looking like, So I was like, yeah, at some point, William, you're going to have to make a choice.

1:23:34 I feel like I don't know what those missiles were. I don't know what they, you know, they they could have been talks of surrender. They could have been, you know, whatever probably had something to do with spying because I think when William was getting the missives, he mentioned something about spying and or rather the the commanding officer mentioned something about spying. And William basically was like, I have no designs to be a spy. I don't want to do it. And what did that guy say? He said most, most men who consider themselves soldiers wouldn't. Oh, you know what he did say? Most men who consider themselves soldiers wouldn't. Maybe those people are spies. And that's why, he said.

1:24:17 Because they're not soldiers, they're they're part of the rebellion. Okay. But yeah, I I like William. There's some flirting vibes are going on between them, so, so very much so. And that's why I was saying I like William. I like what we've seen of him so far and. And this if like if Ian doesn't see Miss Hunter again see a her and William thing. The good thing is you see you see chemistry with both of them. Yeah, you do. So it can go either way except. Get better.

1:24:59 Go to Ian. But that's just you know, that's how I feel. You're biased. I know, I know. But you know what William. But I know this from last episode when he met Brianna. I see the OR two episodes go. I do see some of that reddish brown the way that colored his hair. It's. It's there. It's very it has like an Auburn tent to it. Yeah. So the thing about it is if he ever just like stands with Jamie or be around him for a minute, he's going to figure it out because they going to have mannerisms. They already did when he was younger to the point where they were look across the field and be like, oh shit, OK, what was the grandmother said?

1:25:47 She said we we said that Willie spends so much time with Mac that he's starting to look like him. And then Jamie happened to see his his reflection in the mirror. When Willie was cleaning the thing, he was like, Oh yeah, it's time for me to. Go time for me to go. So yeah, but yeah, he yeah, I have a feeling that Red is going to come out just just a little bit. And he something about the way, and again, I don't know if this is because the actor is purposefully doing it or if it's just the way that he is and that's why they cast him. But even just the way he makes some of his facial expressions or the way he holds himself, it's kind of reminiscent of Jamie, you know?

1:26:44 But yeah, that's going to be interesting. It will be, but on the other note, Jamie and Claire and the rebels that he is in command of now, they have arrived at Fort Ticonderoga, which is where Jamie was instructed to go. So I'm like, okay. I guess y'all won't be avoiding this war, or some of the battles at least, because I know that there's a battle at Fort Ticonderoga or there's supposed to be something that happens there. But yeah, the American Revolution is on its way and it's going to be so interesting because you have all these parts. Like Jamie, Claire and Ian were planning to go to Scotland so that Jamie wouldn't have to fight against his son because he refuses to fight for the British. And now he literally has been put into a position where if they go to war, he might be on the battlefield. What's my son?

1:27:46 I need them just to skip town. Just get on the damn boat. OK? But see, the problem is, Jamie is still the, I guess you say the Laird. The land. Yeah, He is never a Fraser's Ridge and so he has to. That's going to put everybody else in in danger at Fraser's Ridge. And he he has to think about the other people. You've got Lizzy there with her babies because she probably has had her second child by now. You've got the twins, you've got all these other people who Jamie took in, all the Fisher folk that are there, so. I know.

1:28:28 I just want them to skip town and say they were kidnapped. You got to figure that Jamie is tired of being a wanted man at this. Right, he is. And it's it's almost the point where I could be like, I'm too old to fight in the war. Well, I. Can't say that either because he's not looking. He's, he's not looking conscious, so he's not looking up at all. So. Right. And when you can be, when you can be captured by by some men, by Richard Brown's men and you sit there and fight them all, yeah. So you're not too old to fight? No, you're not at all.

1:29:08 I just, it's one of those things where it's like you should have went to a different town, you should have went a different way. But I I guess it was going to happen. Don't just walk around, rock around at night. So now I see you right with all that red hair. Camp. Camp on the outskirts of town, yeah, But you know, it's kind of like what we were saying with the whole Roger and Brianna thing. If it's if it's meant to happen, if he was supposed to be in that battle, there's nothing that they would be able to do. To kill him from like they tried. They tried to go to Scotland like, OK, look, we're not, we're not about to be a part of this and you? Seem to help to intervene. So I feel like he's probably supposed to be a part of this.

1:29:53 I hope that doesn't mean that he's going to have to, you know, fight against William or be, you know, I'm hoping that once he does this, whatever he's supposed to do at Fort Ticonderoga, I don't think it's a permanent post because oh dude was kind of like okay Well, you just need to do this one thing for me and then you can be you can be on your way. You just be delayed. So I'm hoping they keep to that and Jamie can take his ass to Scotland because one, I really do want to go back to Scotland and see how everybody is doing and I know that we are going to Scotland. Because of the season seven casting news before they started shooting the season. Yeah, Which is going to be the second-half, though, that's coming out 2024.

1:30:39 That'll give us some time. Look, that'll give us some time to read. Oh yeah, that is true. That is true. But then we're not trying to catch up, are we? We're not supposed to surpass what is being on the show. Yeah, no, we're we're going to do our best to be disciplined. We just want to get up to this point. We can get up to this point and just kind of once we have that little background, we can kind of talk amongst ourselves. And then we stop. So this is what we think is going to happen based on what's happening in the book so far, we can do that. So that gives us some. Gives us some time. I'm a little sad now that I was thinking, ooh, we got 10 more episodes. Girl I I wish they.

1:31:21 But even on network TV or cable TV, even when those shows were doing 2223 episode shows, they always took a split in the middle of the the season. So. Yeah, for the holidays. It might be a holiday over there, no? So yeah, I understand. Yeah, I but I will say this too, as much as I would like to be able to watch the episodes without a break, I'm kind of glad that we do have a break because that extends how long we have with the show. Because once those eight episodes air and then the final season episodes, which is I think only six or seven, that's it.

1:32:14 So I I don't mind the hiatus a little bit because it it extends how much longer we want to enjoy with. You it won't be a big gap before we get Season 8. Hopefully, yes, it won't be a it won't be a 400. And how many days was this time? 455 days or 6? 150 it It won't be that, so that'll be a good thing. I was Speaking of which so news that came out this week that I happen to see. Apparently the prequel series about Jamie's parents has been greenlit, so we will be getting a An Outlander spinoff series based on Brian and Ellen Fraser.

1:33:00 So now, I still wish then we could get more Outlander, because again, she's still writing the 10th book. The 10th book is supposed to be the end of Jamie and Claire's story. So I don't know how they're going to do the final season for Outlander, if they're going to get notes from her as far as what happens, or if they're just going to write their own. And I I don't know how that's going to go, but at least we know we're getting more Outlander, at least for, you know, Brian and Ellen. But yeah, I I'm okay with with the hiatus.

1:33:43 So that means this is what Episode 4 we're talking about. So we have four more episodes to discuss before the hiatus. We do have Dragon Con coming up. I am going to be on the Outlander show panel at Dragon Con this year again. Yay. So I we'll get to talk about that. They're not talking about the books on this panel. It's just going to be strictly show, Which is cool because that means I don't have to sit here and try to rush to read up until this point. But like I like, like you said, we're not going to go past where they are in the show because we don't want to spoil ourselves, even though I've heard like little bits and pieces of spoilers here and there. Oh, the other other The other thing I did see on Twitter is that Meryl Davis confirmed that we will not be seeing Ferguson Marsley this season.

1:34:43 Whatever. I am so hurt. I mean, I understand cuz they're not anywhere where they will be a part of the story, but they need to come back and be a part of the story. I miss them. I miss them. So anyway, I think that's all the news I have on that for now, because again, they're filming. Well, actually they are not filming right now. I believe Outlander has halted their filming in solidarity with the SAG actors here in the States.

1:35:23 So they're not filming right now. So they're kind of like somewhere midway between film and Season 8. So I guess that might extend when we get Season 8 as well, depending on how long the strike. Is, yeah. But so we'll just once this hiatus starts we'll have to get our our fix somehow. You know they do have another season of men and kilts out so. Yeah, I thought that was coming out. Yeah, but did we forget anything on the episode? No, we hit all the parts.

1:36:05 You got Tom, that dog on Tom. Christy, I tell you, I rewound. That that was just so cute though. I mean, it was cuz he the Glee, right? He was so happy. He was just so happy. He was like, I thought, you know, I wrote the obituary cuz I I I didn't have a grave to go to. That's what I'm saying, that actually, considering his romantic past probably was like, you know what? I wouldn't be able to go to your grave. And I was just like, oh, they're so sweet. But it's so sad in a way too, because you're in love with a woman who can never be with you or who will never be with you. But and you know what? That might have been enough to sustain. I'm good.

1:36:52 I'm good. She's she's safe. She's happy. And if anything, he knows that Jamie will protect Claire with with his life so he doesn't have to worry about, oh, is she endangered? This, that and other. He knows Jamie will protect her. So that's probably the most peaceful thing you can have. At least you know she's not she's not under the ground and you can walk around knowing, OK, she's alive, she's breathing. I'm good. So I I hope he can find some peace, and I hope he doesn't. Fall on the horse and he can be happy. He can be happy.

1:37:32 Now I know there's there's probably going to be a piece of him that struggles because he doesn't know where Alan is and he at this point he probably will never find out where Alan is. So that's going to be something, I think, that'll kind of sit on his conscience or sit on his heart. But I think for the most part, I think Tom Christy is okay. He he did right by Jamie and Claire the way he said he would, as far as, you know, making sure that they were safe. He did his best to do that. And then when Claire was about to go down or be killed for that crime, he was like, I can't do this because I know it would. I know it wasn't you. So, yeah, Okay.

1:38:17 Hi, Tom. Christy, that door is closed. So now we have the hunters. We have William becoming a a bigger part of the story, and I know that that will probably increase with all of the stuff coming up for the American Revolution. We have Jamie, Claire, Ian stuck here for the time being for the war. And we've got we've got Roger and Brianna in the future trying to figure out what the fuck a knuckle V is and what is it doing in their house and why is it eating all the crisps?

1:38:57 And you've got Jimmy and Mandy, Jimmy and Mandy boy, let me tell you, those two kids, if they not, it's like one minute they're fighting and the next minute he's being protective of her. Yeah, these kids are going to drive them crazy because even in the beginning, when she was like, Mandy hit me, she won't say sorry, Mandy, apologize. I won't. Roger was like I. You will. So I. Was like, oh, these kids will drive me nuts two years, right? And then then you going to lock them up. Do you block Mandy up in the closet in the dungeon room? Call it a little dungeon room. And then she sitting there like do it again. What you just?

1:39:43 And then one day we're going to find out about the gold too. So you know you are going to keep on about that gold. What? I just want them to ask him. I mean, damn, just ask your kid instead of just. I wonder if we should ask him now. Like now? It's been a few years. Sure, when you're at dinner, you're talking about nothing. What? You just ask him instead of just wondering. Y'all just went through all of your savings and everything. You need some money, Brock. You're going to need some money. I mean, I realize that. I realize that Brianna has a job now, but I can almost guarantee you they are underpaying her for that job. And then Roger is not doing anything right now, so they probably could. I'm with you at this point.

1:40:30 Ask him about the gold. Ask him about the gold. Because then you got to make a trip to North Carolina. You got to go see where phrases. But you know, I don't know if I'm ready to go to a future Frasers Ridge or a 1980s Frasers Ridge because we don't know what that looks like. And I just. I just don't know because I feel like and I guess that's kind of why Brianna is doing that as well, because if she if they have to go there, then you'll have to see the place that you were just in a few years ago and how different it is and things may be gone.

1:41:16 And you know of course the the houses and the settlements are probably no longer there. So that might, yeah that might be a bit too much for her. So I can kind of understand her hesitance when opening that that Pandora's box. So, OK, I'll give her a little leeway on that. We'll just wait. Maybe, Michelle, you know back half of the season they'll ask you about the gold and we'll. I just want them to ask. It's OK we don't even go. No, cuz if you ask and you find out about this gold, you know they're going to want to go. I would want to go. I would too. I'll be like, oh, we take the little. We going to take a little trip, right? Family vacation.

1:41:59 To the States. And then also too, if you think about it, if they make that kind of trip going to the States, they're not going to leave the kids with Fiona. They're going to take the kids with them. And that might be hard for Jim as well, because he'll he'll also have remembered, you know, he'll remember what Frasers Ridge was and then for him to see it the way it might be now, that will probably disturb him as well, so. Yeah, So we'll just tell them to wait. Just just wait on asking about the go.

1:42:39 It'll be okay, Michelle. It'll be okay. It'll be okay. We'll get. There by the By the end of this season or season eight, please just have a conversation. I think they would have to do it this season because I feel like whatever they're doing Season 8. It's some totally it's got to close it. It's going to be closing it out. Yeah, it has to close it. Yeah. Whatever it is that's going on with Jamie and Claire to end their story, I feel like that's what the final episodes will focus on, so. Yeah, yeah. And I agree to that. Like we we're doing all the stories now and then Eight just literally is closing. Yeah, yeah, so that'll be cool.

1:43:28 That'll be cool. So we just we just have to be a little patience. We may have to wait until 2024 to find out about the gold and the Spaniard, those of Y'all listed. You can see the look on Michelle's face. I don't know if I can, but okay, maybe it'll be spring 2024. I mean, because the the episodes are already done. I don't see them making us wait. Another When did this season come out? June. So maybe next June. Maybe next June. No, don't wait that long. I don't agree to it either. But I'm just saying we only have. So right now, right now, we have, what did I say, 6 episodes out, Five episodes, 6 episodes out. So that means we have two more episodes. So that means by the end of July, those episodes will be done.

1:44:22 So you got August, September, October, November, December. I would hope that January or February we would get those new episodes. Y'all don't need to make make us wait longer than six months for a season that is already done already. So let's keep our fingers crossed. It's going to be January or February. It could be, it could be earlier if they want, but I know they're not going to do it during the holidays because during the holidays you always have special programming and this than others so your your your viewing schedules are disrupted. So I would say probably.

1:45:04 January okay, I go with that. Okay. So you have any final thoughts on episode 6? Just give us the go and OK and and tell us what's going on with Rachel Hunter and the bachelors on the Ridge, the bachelors of the river. And it's The Bachelors. Yes. I don't think it's Williams time right now. That's not what William have to go through right now. He may fall in love with Rachel for a second, but it Rachel belongs to Ian. OK, so it's not his time to shop. It's not his time. His time is to figure out, you know, find out about this day. OK, So you know, he has to go through that. Yeah, I have feeling that's going to be explosive. So with that being said, that's it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomharvard.com. We are on social media on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and threads at Phantom Hybrid.

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