Outlander S7E7 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #320

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and we are
discussing Outlander season 7

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episode 7.
And before we get started on

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this, today is September 29th
and yesterday the cast wrapped

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filming on the 8th and final
season of Outlander.

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They are ending the show with
101 episodes, which is great

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because a lot of shows don't get
to 100 episodes.

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True.
But I'm feeling so bummed.

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I am too, especially when the
books are not even done yet.

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Could they just add one more?
Just one more season?

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Or a movie.
Or a limited series.

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And you know what, they can
come, if they can come back and

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do a movie after Book 10 is
released, that would be great.

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But I'm I'm going to be honest,
I really think that part of the

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reason they're ending the show
is because the stars can't they

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can't just keep themselves tied
to this one show and and miss

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other opportunities.
I mean, that's one of the

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reasons why we're not getting
our Jenny back.

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You know, Laura Donnelly was
doing off doing other things.

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And it was just, I think with
the way they kind of move things

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around as far as what happens in
what season as opposed to the

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the corresponding book, it it
probably just didn't make sense

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for her to say, OK, you know
what?

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I'm on retainer.
I can't do anything else.

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Like that's not that's not fair
to the actors.

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And even with Sam and Katrina,
like Katrina's out promoting a

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movie right now.
Sam has TV movie coming out on

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stars in December.
He's filming other things, she's

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filming other things.
So I just think, you know, this

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has been 10 years for them, even
though it's only 7-8 seasons,

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it's been 10, I think 11 years
for them as far as from casting

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to, you know, pre production and
all this other stuff.

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So maybe they were just like,
we're done, you know?

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Yeah, I'm so sad because there's
so much story to tell.

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And I can say that because,
again, I have finally finished

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reading all the books.
I'm caught up and I'm just like,

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there's so much I feel like that
they're going to have to leave

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off.
But I mean, 101 episodes, that

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is a, that is an astounding feat
for TV.

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They should be very proud of
themselves.

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They've delivered a quality
show, you know?

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Yeah, we have.
A little every season.

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Here and there about certain
things, but overall quality

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solid, the casting solid.
They just like, I think

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Outlander is one of those shows
where if you're going to make

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ATV show an adaptation,
whatever.

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This is one of those shows that
I would say pay attention to

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what they do because even though
they have had to make some

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changes from page to screen, it
doesn't take away from the

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story.
No, not at all.

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And.
You can't really say that a lot

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with some adaptations because
you looking like oh y'all just

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screw the whole thing up just by
doing this or doing that so.

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And even going through COVID,
because we have seen a lot of

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shows kind of just take a hit a
little bit because of COVID and

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also the writers strike and
everything which was warranted,

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but it's still like just took a
little off some shows.

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But you I haven't seen it in
this show, to be honest with

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you.
I don't feel like anything was

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rushed.
I don't particularly know

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because I haven't read the
books, but the the storylines

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are delivering for me.
I'm just, I'm just going to have

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a issue with the closure because
however they close, many of us,

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that's what we have as our
closure, especially if we don't

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read the books.
Yeah, but you're going to change

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that.
Because we just, yeah, I'm going

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to, I'm going to start this
week.

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I keep saying I am, but I'm
actually going to start this

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week actually listening to the
audio book.

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But then when the last book
comes out, I'm going to want

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them to do something because I
want to see that closure.

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Yeah.
Yeah, which we already know how

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it's going to end.
You know, we're not about to

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have this notebook discussion
again, Michelle.

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Well, you know, we'll talk about
that later.

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Yeah.
Oh, I got a better part.

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Not just in each other's arms,
but like after they have made

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love, then they pass away.
That's beautiful.

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That's beautiful.
I mean if you have to pick a

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moment to go.
That's the moment.

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It's not at all.
It's not at all.

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Just don't let their children
come in and see them.

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But that's, you know, don't.
Want them to die?

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Because.
I just really want like, you

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know how we've seen some of
those, those scenes where

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they're standing on top of the
mountains and, and they're just

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overlooking the Ridge, like
let's have one of those scenes

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and they're just living happily
ever after.

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Whatever.
They don't have to die for me.

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And the thing about it is, to be
honest, if I was the show

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writers, I'm just making a
prediction, literally.

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That's probably without how I
would end it.

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Because then you could you can
come back and do a movie.

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Right.
You could you see what I'm

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saying?
And at that point they still

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have more stories to go, which
you would get in the books.

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You see what I'm saying?
So like, even though the show

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has ended, like we really don't
give an end for them.

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It's just that they have, you
know, a positive spin up about

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their future and then that's it.
And they have committed to being

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together forever, you know, and
then that's how it ends.

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That works, right?
That works.

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That honestly works for the
books 'cause if they die then

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we'll be like whatever I'm.
Not going to think about Jamie

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and Claire dying.
We're not going to have that

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conversation, OK?
No be.

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Sweet or they both have heart
attacks after.

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You know what, let's get into
this episode because I can't

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with you.
I cannot with you.

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So let's get into this episode.
First of all, for anyone who's

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listening to our episodes, I do
want to apologize about the last

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episode because I think we
accidentally spoiled who the

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Visitor was at the end.
Sorry.

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So we're sorry, but.
Yeah.

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Sorry, beginning of this episode
does confirm that the, the the

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lurker outside of Lallybrock AKA
the Knucklevey is in fact

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William Buckley McKenzie, who is
Rodgers 6 times grandfather,

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great grandfather and also the
person who had him hung or

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rather who you know turned him
in and Rodger ended up being

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hung as a result of being a
traitor.

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So this part of the story is
interesting and I'm just going

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to, I'm, I'm going to start this
episode off by saying have a lot

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of issues with Rodger and
especially Brianna in this

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entire episode.
Like she got on my nerves so

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much, you know what I'm saying?
Yes.

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I understand being weary of Buck
when he comes in because of

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course Rodger and Brianna know
the relationship he is to Rodger

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and that's what makes them so
pissed off about the whole

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hanging thing.
But Buck has no clue.

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None until this episode.
And it's like when he comes in,

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he's very respectful to Bri and
you know, when they're trying to

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get the story for him about how
he appeared here, she's like,

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well, why would you scare our
children?

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And block?
He was like, know who I was

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dealing with.
So how did What was I supposed

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to do?
You know, he was just trying to

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survive in a place that you know
nothing about.

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Nothing.
So this.

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Is the interesting thing.
When he was telling the story,

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he was talking about what
happened after Arboros.

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So of course, you know, things
went bad there.

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And so he and Morag, his wife,
their son Jeremiah, we're

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heading back to Inverness so
that he could go and work for

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his brother-in-law.
He says that they were walking

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past Craig in the dune, but he
says we heard a noise and he was

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talking about the buzzing sound
and he went to go check it out,

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see what it was.
Because he was telling them when

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he was describing it, he was
talking about how he could feel

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it in his bones.
And it was, it was just a a very

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weird, strange feeling and it
scared him.

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But he needed to know what it
was.

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So of course he goes through the
stones and ends up where Rodger

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and Brianna are.
And I'm guessing nothing

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happened to him because he keeps
fiddling with a ring he has on

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his finger and the gemstone is
missing.

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So he had a gemstone.
I can't, I can't even imagine

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what would have happened if he
didn't have it, but OK.

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But Bree asked him a question
later on, and she was like,

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well, why didn't you try to go
back?

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I'm like dummy you not.
He doesn't know the rules.

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Well, that's what I'm saying.
Like he, he doesn't even know

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where he is, how he got there.
Right?

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Ma'am, you are writing a book
about traveling.

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This is his first travel.
You got to give him.

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Some leeway you should actually
be his mentor.

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And you and you had like you had
your mother to tell you about

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all this stuff and everything.
When your Mama first told you

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about this stuff, you didn't
believe her.

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You thought she was crazy.
You thought she was lying, you

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thought she was delusional.
So Can you imagine what it's

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like for it's, it's bad enough
if you're coming from the

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future, going to the past,
because at least you have

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history to learn from.
You can, you can go do your

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research and say, oh, in the
seventh late 1700s, this is what

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was going on in the time period.
This is what the fashion look

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like.
This is what the people's

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attitudes were towards politics,
religion, that sort of thing.

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When you're doing it the reverse
coming from the past 200 years

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into the future, right?
I can't even imagine what the

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hell was going on in this man's
head.

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Yeah, imagine seeing your first
car, right.

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Those big giant buggies.
I think that's what he called

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them, carriages.
He was like those big things.

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And Roger was like, well, how
did you come to be at Lolly

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Brock?
Lolly Brock?

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He said, I saw you walk into a
shop in Inverness.

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And Brianna was like, well, why
didn't you say something?

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I don't know what's happening to
me.

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I have no idea what is
happening.

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Not only that, here is the
person walking around that you

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know for a fact was hung at
Alaman.

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Right.
Thank you.

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That part.
In this new time or this new

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area or whatever, 'cause I don't
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At that point, Buck realized he
had travelled to another time.

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I maybe, you know, common sense
told him because of the cars and

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everything and how everyone was
dressed and everything.

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He was like, OK, something
strange about this.

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But you don't really sit there
and think, oh, I've travelled

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into the future, why would you?
Especially coming from the type

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of background he came from, you
know, So he said I didn't know

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what who or what I was dealing
with.

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And then he was like to come
knock on your door.

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No, I was the reason he got
hung.

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I'm supposed to.
I was just sitting there and the

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way she was looking at him, like
she was so mad.

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And I understand she's mad
because he was the reason Roger

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got hung.
And everything that happened

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after that, I understand, I
understand.

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But again, this man had no clue
that Roger was family.

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All he saw was a nice, good
looking man talking to his wife.

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And we know this 1700s, late
1700s, you know what the

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attitudes were back then.
They're very possessive of their

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women.
You know it.

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I was just like, give some, give
him a little grace.

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This man is already confused,
y'all.

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It's talking to him and telling
him questions like, why didn't

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you do this?
Why didn't you do that?

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I was just like.
Yeah, just just to we already

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saw how I was for Claire.
Like that was disorienting.

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Everything that happened to her.
Rihanna you have and Rodger, you

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knew what you were walking into,
right?

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It still will feel a little
strange because you're like, I

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know I'm doing this and my brain
is trying to make the

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connection.
But for Buck, same thing as

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Claire, no idea.
None, none.

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This is hard way to go
investigate, right?

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Claire saw you know Randall like
hey wait that's kind of strange

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he's not acting the same so
that's the same way what how

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butt will feel but y'all treated
him so I felt they just treated

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him bad for someone who doesn't
know what is happening.

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I think Roger was a little more.
Responding he was.

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But overall they should have
just been a little bit more.

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I don't know.
Right and then you stick and

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then you stick him in the closet
for hours because Rob fucking

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camera shows up unannounced.
First of all, you see my screen

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name, my screen name for those
of you who are listening and not

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looking at us.
It says did they leave their

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instincts in the 18th century?
Because or I, I should even just

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say Brianna for the most part,
Roger a little bit.

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But even Roger was like, yeah,
they're telling he could come by

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for dinner, but who just shows
up?

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Like you didn't call?
No, but we talked about this

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during that time.
People just showed up, you know

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what I'm saying?
And they did.

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They showed up for like, hey, I
was in the neighborhood, right?

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Or I thought about you and it
was OK, right?

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Nowadays.
Nowadays you just can't do that.

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No, 'cause if you show up at my
door and I don't know you're

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coming, I'm not answering the
door.

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I'm not either.
And but that is just overtime,

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'cause even think about when we
grew up, like people would like

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stop by.
Yeah, you know, 'cause it wasn't

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picking up the phone.
I mean, no one picks up the

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phone and call at that time.
No one really called.

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They just come by.
But now.

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But now if you didn't get a plan
scheduled meeting that you

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coming, you had to call, you had
to text right on this couple of

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days in advance, right?
And no, even if it's a car, if a

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even if there is a driveway full
of cars, everyone is going to

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lay down and pretend like
they're not in the house 'cause

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we didn't know you were coming.
Be like you didn't, you weren't

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on the invite.
No.

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Why are you at my house?
We're all in bed, so sorry.

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Like I can probably count on
three fingers the the the people

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who can actually just come to my
house without having to check

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and see if it's OK.
Yeah.

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And even they are going to be
like, hey, you at home?

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You busy?
Are you right?

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Well, what you?
What you doing right, Right.

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But I think the thing that
really was kind of like with

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this, so I understand you're
panicking because you have this

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this distant relative from the
past who is now in the future,

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he's confused, whatever.
So you could have gone to the

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door and said when he said, did
I come at a bad time?

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Yes, actually you did, because
we have a relative who, you

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know, just stopped by and we're
entertaining him.

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Maybe let's reschedule this for
next week, that sort of thing.

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You could have easily done that.
Right.

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Or you could make it really
awkward and say, yeah, we're in

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the middle of a huge argument
and we need time.

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I mean, even even Rodger's
explanation, he was like, Oh no,

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we we decide we were just taking
advantage of the kids not being

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home to tidy up.
I would have been like, yeah,

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we're taking advantage of the
kids not being home.

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Let's reschedule this for
another time.

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The kids not being home.
That should have been.

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The right, right, right.
Oh, you OK?

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OK, OK.
I'll leave you guys alone

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because I'm so sorry.
Yeah.

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You know, I was married before.
I have three children.

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My, my kids are two years apart
from the 1st 2:00 and then four

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years between the 2nd and the
3rd.

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So kids are always there
Whenever you got a break, you

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have a break, you have a break.
I'm not sitting here cleaning up

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the house like.
No, like what?

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We're not doing that.
We're young couple.

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Come on, friend, I need you to
take the hint.

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Right?
However, he keeps imposing

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himself.
That's what problem I have.

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It's OK to stop by.
But then you realize, OK, they

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could be really busy not having
kids around.

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You impose.
You keep imposing, imposing,

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imposing.
Y'all started drinking with

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that, OK, even with that, y'all
started drinking without me.

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Yes, because the kids are not
here.

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Take the hint.
Read the Room.

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However, he did read the room.
He did take the hint, but that's

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not a part of his plan.
So he's like, F them, I have a

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plan in place and I'm going to
do my plan.

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OK, so about that, the whole
thing.

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Oh, I would like to see the
reference hymnals.

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Rodger, bring the hymnals out to
the kitchen.

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Why are you letting this man in
your office?

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You've all you already know.
He has read your journal by

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accident.
Why the fuck in your office?

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And then not only that, you
leave him in the office so you

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could go do something, and you
leave him with the box of

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letters with Jimmy's name on it
sitting on top of the desk

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unlocked.
I don't understand.

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Like for two people who have
been so conditioned, I would

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say.
To watch what they say and watch

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what they do because they were
living in a time that was not

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their own.
For them to come back to the

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present and just be so careless.
I really have a problem with

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that.
Like, the first time you messed

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up with him finding the book,
that should have been your first

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clue.
Like, OK, we need to be a little

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more mindful of what we're doing
with these letters, with this

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information and just, you know,
having it around.

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Then the person who read the
book is now in your house

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uninvited, and you've left him
in the office.

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Then you have dinner with him
and with the kids and when y'all

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are making like very kind of
subtle, not, you know, a little

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too subtle in my opinion, when
y'all are making subtle hints

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about, oh, you know, hey kids,
it's time for bed.

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Sure, Q to go.
It is, but not if you have a

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plan.
So I I see what the problem is.

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OK.
They are so used to explicit

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direct danger, like
straightforward, like it's a

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battle, someone wants to kill
them.

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You, you can't be seen, you
can't make matches because it's

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going to burn down your mom's
home later.

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Like they are used to that, that
just, you know, simple danger.

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They aware of that type of
danger, but they're not aware of

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people that are calculated, not
those two, not really.

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So they are naive in that sort
of sense like they have, I

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always want to say they have St.
smarts, but they have traveling

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smarts, but not just regular.
They don't have common.

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Everyday people smarts.
They don't have common sense.

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I'm trying to help them out a
little bit but but seriously

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though.
But seriously, they don't have

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that normal common sense of like
we are in a different time and

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people are calculated in
manipulative and you're being

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manipulative.
You know what I'm saying?

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But you don't get that because
you're so used to.

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There's a side here, then
there's a side here, dangerous

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right here.
If we do this, if we travel, you

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know, N 20 miles, we're on
someone else's territory.

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We have the, you know, British
soldiers, American soldiers,

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like they get that.
They understand that, but they

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don't get just coming home and
how someone could this could be

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a guy.
Let's just say this guy doesn't

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care about the traveling.
He may just want to like kidnap

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your kidnap your kid.
You understand I'm saying right?

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OK, or sell your or kidnap your
wife and sell her to the high.

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Like you're not just because
something doesn't seem dangerous

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can be dangerous, but you're not
perceiving that.

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You're thinking everything is
light and fluffy and it's not.

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And I think that's where.
They're having issues, like

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they're comfortable, they're so
comfortable, but Cameron didn't

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come to them If he came
aggressive and I'm the bad guy

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written above me, villain.
But I mean, think about his

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first, his first interaction
with Brianna.

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That's, but that's the.
Time see and they're like, oh.

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That's the time.
But still in danger.

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It's strange.
Weird to me because $1.00 is not

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even from your time.
And he can tell Rob.

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Something ain't right about Rob
Cameron.

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OK, not only that, you have
issues with Buck being in the

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house or being around the kids.
OK, yeah, he can stay in the

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house, but I don't want him
anywhere near the house when

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we're not there.
But you don't let your son go

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and stay with this this man that
you know.

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Yeah, you y'all have had dinner
and, you know, you work with

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him, but what do you really know
about him?

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Like you don't up until this
particular dinner, you didn't

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even know this man was had been
married and had a kid because he

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doesn't have the I know because
he doesn't have the danger sign.

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But that's the that was the And
I guess that's the thing that

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bothers me because even though
he doesn't have the danger sign,

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everything about his behavior
from the way that he talks and

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the way that he kind of it like,
and this was even before I read

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the book, like from the moment
he appeared on the screen, I had

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been with Icky.
Yeah, yeah.

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And I totally get that.
I get the ick, but gets the ick.

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I bet you Claire, Jamie will
feel the ick too.

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They, but they've been around
and paying attention.

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Where, where was Rodger raised?
You see what I'm saying?

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Like you had to think about
that.

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And then we threw them into time
travel again.

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We threw them into dangers.
We told them it was dangerous

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and whatnot.
They still naive sometimes.

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They naive when things happen in
the past.

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But this is A to be honest with
you.

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But here you got these are two
people who both had experiences

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with Stephen Bonnett and knew
from jump that this man was not

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any good.
Knew from jump.

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And and from jump, knew from
jump.

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And Stephen Bonnett was just as
charming, was just as

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mannerable.
And see what happened.

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And, and and that's that's what
I don't understand, like why,

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why can you guys not see it in
Rob Cameron?

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And then they think.
They think because where they

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are, you understand what I'm
saying.

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And then they think where they
are, which they can't.

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They shouldn't be that way
because even at that time they

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were serial killers.
Like he could have been a serial

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killer.
I mean, we really don't know yet

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either.
What do?

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You well, this is.
True.

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Be honest with you.
I'm saying he could be a.

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He could actually be a serial
killer.

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Yeah.
Because they're not paying a

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they don't pay attention to
that.

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They're literally just getting
comfortable where they are

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thinking it's just a safe area.
Oh, I work with this guy.

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His kids are in school with my
kids.

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You see where I'm going with
this.

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And then we turn around and it's
a Lifetime movie about it.

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Right.
And and and your child has been

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kidnapped.
And are you on Dateline?

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Like, I thought he was a nice
guy, OK?

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And everybody else was like, we
never fool with him.

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That nice guy just took your son
through through the stones,

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according to what Mandy feels.
And also the fact that they

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found Jim's scarf.
And I was just like.

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And like no red, like they can
get no red flags.

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We got the red flags but got the
red flags, but they didn't get

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the red flags.
Again, what time period we're

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in?
He has to be OK.

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It just it, it really bothers me
because I feel like that is, I

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don't know, maybe I'm being a
little too harsh on them, but

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no, you, you should be, you
should.

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Be you should be harsh on them
because ultimately, to be

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completely honest with you, they
should.

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I hate for them to live like
this, but their guard should

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always be up.
Because you do not know about

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00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,400
other travelers.
You do not know that the things

451
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,640
you've done to other people,
they didn't leave notes for

452
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,960
future can.
Yeah.

453
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,200
You don't.
You really don't know.

454
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,360
Just like Jamie and Claire left
those letters for them, right?

455
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:03,800
You could have somewhere and
then someone taking out revenge.

456
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,720
You do honestly don't know
because you live honestly.

457
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,360
You live in a different type of
world than the rest of us.

458
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,680
So you should be always aware
that one, you may run into

459
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,880
another traveler.
One that traveler could be a

460
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,480
relative of yours or it could be
an enemy of yours.

461
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,840
Yeah.
I mean it could be your daughter

462
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,680
or it could be a your I was
about to start cursing.

463
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,400
It could be your effing future
kid like it could be Jimmy when

464
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,240
he 50 years old traveling back
and like you just have no.

465
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,200
Yeah.
Idea.

466
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:39,680
Yeah, but then the other.
We have no no idea.

467
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,880
Yeah.
But then the other thing that

468
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,760
bothered me as far as like their
carelessness with stuff, like we

469
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,760
talked about Claire and and
Brianna about the stuff that

470
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,040
they took back with them or like
the stuff that Brianna was

471
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,680
making, like, you know, the
little, the little wooden

472
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,000
airplane or whatever.
So Buck is in there and he's

473
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,120
playing with one of Jimmy's
plastic airplanes and he's

474
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,480
talking to Roger about he was
like, of all the things that

475
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,520
I've seen, he was like, you
know, have you actually been in

476
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,160
one of these?
Oh my, Jeremiah would love

477
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,200
something like this.
And Roger is like, well, that's

478
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,440
one of Jimmy's favorites, but
maybe you can take it back for

479
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,400
your Jeremiah if Jim will part
with why.

480
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,120
Why are you putting these ideas
in this man head to take

481
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,240
something that obviously does
not belong in the 1700s?

482
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,600
You're giving him the idea that
he might be able to take this

483
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,640
back if he is able to go back to
the stones and find his face.

484
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,200
What is wrong with y'all right?
Right.

485
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,920
And luckily on here we do not
talk about alternate timelines

486
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,760
because that will definitely
create a alternate timeline

487
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,880
which would change things.
But that's not what this story

488
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,800
is about, so.
But, and, and this thing is,

489
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:04,040
yeah, because I think with
Outlander and we don't, again,

490
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,680
we don't really talk about
timelines or like multiverses or

491
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,920
whatever with, with this,
because one thing that we have

492
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:17,640
seen is that it seems like this
timeline, the the life that they

493
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,720
live is very fixed.
It's like even though Claire and

494
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Jamie tried to, they tried to
stop the Battle of Culloden,

495
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,480
they tried to stop the Jacobite
Rising, they did all of these

496
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,480
things.
And even though it might have

497
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,920
stopped something, in one sense
it always self corrected, you

498
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,040
know?
So it's like those events.

499
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,840
The major points right and not I
believe in Outlander.

500
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:51,440
Major points are fixed, but
little things actually can be

501
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,760
change.
Yeah, anything that's not going

502
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,280
to have a big, big thing, yeah,
thing on the future, I'm sorry,

503
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,600
taking back a plastic.
Airplane.

504
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,040
That that will change.
No, that actually will change

505
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,680
things because that could change
who created what and when.

506
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:16,120
Yeah.
So I just, I just have an issue

507
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:24,080
with the lack of the lack of
care that they take, like them

508
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,760
being, I'm gonna stop saying
like so much one of these days.

509
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:35,920
But them being time travelers,
that is such a secret that they

510
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,160
have tried very hard to protect.
Because you see what happens

511
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,160
when people start knowing
things.

512
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,600
It's different if it's family.
Like I'm, I still don't

513
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,480
understand why Ferguson, Marsley
don't know yet.

514
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,960
I don't.
And that sort of thing.

515
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,480
They're really close family, so
there's no reason.

516
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,880
But like Claire was, she was
branded as a witch.

517
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,880
She was tried as a witch even
though they didn't know.

518
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,720
She came from the future, but
she was different enough with

519
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,440
the things that she knew, with
the way she carried herself

520
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,320
with, with her attitudes
towards, you know, how people

521
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,040
treat each other, how people
treated her.

522
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,680
She was different enough for
them to say, OK, something ain't

523
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,000
right about her.
We're going to burn her at the

524
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,560
stage.
But now you're encouraging other

525
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,000
people to be like, oh, yeah,
take this plastic airplane back

526
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,160
to 1778.
If you can get back there, why

527
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,720
would you do that?
You don't.

528
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,440
So now you, now you look, are
you going to pay him back?

529
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,920
You want him to be hung now?
Because if he goes with that

530
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,400
airplane and somebody asked him,
well, what is that?

531
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,680
Well, what what is first of all,
the plastic.

532
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,400
I don't even think plastic
existed back then.

533
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,960
So you've already got questions
about that.

534
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,000
You've got questions about what
exactly this thing is.

535
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,000
What are you going to tell them?
Oh, it's something I thought

536
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,480
about it.
It, you know, flies in the sky.

537
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,200
People already probably remember
Jimmy with his little room, room

538
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,640
and all this other stuff that he
used to call the car and the

539
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,560
airplane.
Like, why are you trying so hard

540
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,640
to?
I don't even put yourselves in

541
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,720
danger.
Put other people in danger.

542
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,600
Like, it's almost like you're
waving a big banner that says,

543
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,120
hey, we're time travelers, help
find out what it's about.

544
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,600
Yeah, yeah, I, I definitely
agree to that because I guess in

545
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,960
all the other time traveling
things we have watched or

546
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,560
endured, everyone is like, OK,
there's certain things you

547
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:51,160
should not do and they continue
to do and never ask themselves

548
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:57,560
the question the day.
Like, why would you give him

549
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,720
something to take back when when
you were back there, you

550
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,160
question if you should make
something or not.

551
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,360
So why would you send him back
with a toy from Toys-R-Us?

552
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,600
That doesn't make him, you know
what I'm saying?

553
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,320
Now, if you send him back
something, you know, a drawing

554
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,760
of them because you can be like,
this is your family, this is

555
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,639
what you endure.
This is your legacy type of

556
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,199
thing.
But honestly, a plane.

557
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,719
Can we just get the man back to
his family?

558
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,440
Right.
Let's not worry.

559
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,920
About No, they can't take a
drawing back, because a drawing

560
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,719
will most likely be in crayon
and the people in the 1700s

561
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:38,880
gonna be like what the.
Hell no.

562
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,760
We, we need a, we need someone
to draw it in pencils and

563
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,080
charcoal.
But you gotta, you have to think

564
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,960
about those things.
And let's be clear, they don't

565
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,239
think.
I.

566
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,639
Obviously, you know concerning
that.

567
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,840
Sometimes they don't, you know,
they're they're a little bit

568
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,320
sheltered, but not sheltered,
which is kind of odd because you

569
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,720
even think about Rodger dealing
with widows, like he didn't even

570
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,520
get that.
OK.

571
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:12,280
That part I would say I
understand that a little bit

572
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,920
more than I do the other stuff
because this is a this is a long

573
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,880
running joke.
We, I mean we tell this all the

574
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,000
time.
Some men are very clueless when

575
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,200
it comes to a one woman flirting
with them.

576
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,600
They they are they.
They don't pay.

577
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,720
Attention, but that's fine.
I I'm OK with that.

578
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,960
But then again, you also know
the time and men just don't have

579
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,000
a friendship with a woman like
that.

580
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,120
Which is, which is how he ended
up getting hung in the 1st.

581
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,840
Place, you know, you see what
I'm saying?

582
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,040
So that's not how like currently
that's fine.

583
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,000
But you guys know certain things
yeah happen, though sometimes

584
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:00,120
they are tad bit clueless with
everything unless it's seriously

585
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:05,120
written across people faces.
Villain danger, stay away, don't

586
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:11,720
do it right.
So but now they will learn.

587
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,720
Hopefully they will learn from
this experience.

588
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,040
If you don't lie after this man,
then kid, that's your child.

589
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,520
Right.
Which could, like, literally you

590
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,120
don't.
Well, now we wouldn't just send

591
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,920
our kids off to someone's house
to spend the night.

592
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,840
Back then.
People did all the time.

593
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,120
Yeah, and even sent the kid to
go over the person's house at

594
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,520
night and they walked down the
road and they get picked to be

595
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,600
that.
Is true because I think that I

596
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,560
think that the year is 1980
presently for Brianna and

597
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,800
Rogers.
So yeah, you're right.

598
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,800
You're right.
Yeah, we we did a lot of those

599
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,640
things in the 80s.
We did, and I watched the

600
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,480
documentary about how a lot of
kids went missing and that, but

601
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,360
no one would have paid attention
because they're like, oh, you

602
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,920
know, you need a ride.
Someone drives by and say

603
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,040
they'll give you a ride.
You get in the car, but no you

604
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,360
don't.
Yeah.

605
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,280
So hopefully they will have
learned their lesson and get him

606
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,120
back, and I don't know how
they're going to do that.

607
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,800
I don't either.
And I, I think it's very

608
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,400
interesting because in this
episode we see a little bit more

609
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,840
about the connection that Mandy
and Jim have with each other.

610
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,440
We saw it in the 1700s, right
before they came back when Mandy

611
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,240
was a baby, because they were
trying to get Jim to hear the

612
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,080
Stones.
And he was like, yeah, I hear it

613
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,960
singing.
She can hear it, too.

614
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:39,280
And they're like, how do you
know?

615
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,880
She told me.
And then looking at him, like,

616
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,920
what?
So the whole way that they find

617
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,760
out that Jim is missing is
because Mandy has a bad dream.

618
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,600
And she tells them he's gone.
Jim is gone.

619
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,640
And they're like, no, he's he's
OK.

620
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,720
He's over at Bobby's house.
He's just spending the night.

621
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:59,280
He'll be back.
She was like, no, he's not here.

622
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,720
He's not here.
And then because she's so

623
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,000
adamant about it, Rodgers, like,
what if he's not here?

624
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,080
And she points to her head, She
say he's not here with me.

625
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,640
And that's when Brianna
realizes, oh, wait, their

626
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,160
connection.
And then she tells him she was

627
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:22,760
like, Rodger asked her what was
in the bad dream.

628
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,080
And she says there were stones.
And they were screaming at me.

629
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:33,640
Now we got to remember Mandy was
a baby, like only a few months

630
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,160
old when they came through the
stones.

631
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,720
She wouldn't remember the
standing stones.

632
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,160
No.
So the fact that she is saying

633
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,920
this so clearly, so perfectly,
there was there were stones and

634
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:50,240
they were screaming at me, Jim
and I think Rodger said, were

635
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,240
you at the stone?
She said, not me, Jim.

636
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:57,640
The bad man took him there.
Listen.

637
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,120
Yeah, you know what?
She got a little bit of Jamie

638
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:07,440
too, because Jamie has dreams of
things, of things he has not

639
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,960
experienced, and she is doing
the same.

640
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,440
Right.
So that really, that really

641
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:22,160
makes me wonder more about Jamie
as well, because we know he

642
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:30,120
can't travel, but it's almost
it's almost as if you have the

643
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,240
one side, you have clear side.
You have gave us the side you

644
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,080
have, you have the people who
are the travelers and then you

645
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,280
have the people.
Even though Mandy is is both,

646
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,080
she can she can see things that
you know, she's aware of things

647
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,680
that she shouldn't be aware of
and she can also travel.

648
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,840
But I wonder if there's
something about Jamie's side,

649
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,560
and I don't know if this is with
anybody else on his side, but

650
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:02,440
it's almost like he's a magnet
for Claire's side of the family.

651
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Because think about it, even
though like Claire found him the

652
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,640
first time just kind of by
accident.

653
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,840
And then of course, we see that
it's obvious.

654
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,200
These are these are two people
who were destined to be

655
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,720
together.
Through time, through space,

656
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:29,560
through everything, Brianna,
even though she, she knew where

657
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,120
she was going, she knew she was
looking for her mother.

658
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:40,960
She found Jamie first.
You know, Roger came looking for

659
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,520
all of them and, and has had a
similar experience too.

660
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:51,600
So it's it's like there has to
be something special about Jamie

661
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,240
that we just haven't explored
yet.

662
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,480
And I will say this too, for the
books, I'm not going to give

663
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,760
spoilers, but that is something
that happens in the books.

664
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,480
As far as him having the dreams
about Jim answering the

665
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,720
telephone, about him seeing the
kids playing, those were dreams

666
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,960
that actually work in the book.
So he also dreams of them in the

667
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,680
books they haven't said anything
about.

668
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,600
What it is with him, right?
And that has to be something

669
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,800
special because he also, he also
had a dream about Mickey Mouse

670
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,280
in the show, so.
No, I don't.

671
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,640
Was it?
No.

672
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,480
He didn't have a dream about
Mickey Mouse.

673
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,160
Brianna was telling him about
Mickey Mouse.

674
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,200
I thought he had.
He asked her, but he had that it

675
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,600
was like it hinted at it.
OK, never mind.

676
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,480
I thought he had a dream of her
somewhere.

677
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,400
Oh wait, you know what?
And then that's when she told

678
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,160
the story.
Or was the story a part of

679
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,440
something else when she was
sleeping?

680
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,120
OK, I.
Don't know, OK.

681
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,400
But we do know, we 'cause I
can't remember now, we do know

682
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,320
he does dream of things that he
should not know about.

683
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Right.
He had the dream of Claire

684
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,080
sitting at her desk with
electricity around her.

685
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,160
So.
So he's special.

686
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,200
And that's one of the things
they better put in this show

687
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,280
before.
It is why he's special.

688
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,680
They need to talk about those
connections.

689
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,840
They do they have to talk about
why, Why he's special?

690
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,040
Because you had me to believe
it.

691
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,840
Which is funny because we're
watching a show about time

692
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,760
travel and I had a hard time
about him dreaming about future

693
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:37,200
things.
I'm confused of why that would

694
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,240
be, why I had a hard time.
Yeah, but I mean it, that could

695
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:46,760
also explain something about why
his ghost was there looking at

696
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,680
Claire in the very first
episode.

697
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:55,200
And remember that vision of his
ghost that was clearly young

698
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,840
Jamie.
I mean, he had on the little,

699
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,160
the little beret, his hair was
curly.

700
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,280
He had on the the kilt.
He he looked younger.

701
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
It was a young him.
So he needs to tell us that he's

702
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:15,440
been having dreams all of his
life, which is why that's passed

703
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,480
down to his.
Granny could be, but that could

704
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,360
and then again that would.
Then the question would be, does

705
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,560
that have anything to do with
his parents and and the?

706
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Reason why I We'll find that out
later.

707
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:35,200
Yeah, yeah, with Blood of My
Blood with the other show.

708
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,440
But it had me thinking, because
I've been, I've been doing a

709
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Outlander rewatch.
I started all the way at the

710
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,160
beginning, season 1, so I'm in
season 3 now.

711
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:54,360
But do you remember the episode
where Jamie was in prison and

712
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,760
Duncan Kirk came up the cliffs
and he was talking about the

713
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,600
gold is cursed, The gold is
cursed.

714
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,680
And then remember when he was in
the bed and he was telling Jamie

715
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,120
about this vision or this
whatever he had, he started

716
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:14,360
talking about the Mackenzie's
and about Jamie's mother and

717
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:20,240
about how she married a selkie
from Selkie Island, talking

718
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:24,080
about Jamie's dad.
So now this got me thinking

719
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,640
maybe there's something a little
bit, I don't know if I want to

720
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,520
use the word magical, but
there's something special about

721
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,080
him as well.
Yeah.

722
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,160
And maybe that's passed down.
Yeah.

723
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,480
So now it's like, how can you
end the show?

724
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,840
Because there's so many other
things that we need to explore.

725
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,440
And they haven't talked about it
in the books yet.

726
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,920
But the good thing is we are
getting a show about Brian and

727
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,960
Ellen Fraser.
So maybe those answers will,

728
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,720
maybe they won't answer the
question, but maybe they will

729
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,720
give us enough information for
us to kind of put two and two

730
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,160
together and come up with four
instead of 6.

731
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,280
So but.
Like we're like we're doing now.

732
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,240
We're just.
But I mean, I didn't even think

733
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:16,440
about all of that until we just
started discussing it because I

734
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,880
was like, OK, so Mandy has this
connection with Jim.

735
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,960
Jamie obviously has a connection
with the kids as well.

736
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,360
But then I thought about, I was
like, wait.

737
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:30,320
But he said he dreamt of Claire
in her own time before, and

738
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,720
that's unusual.
So now I'm thinking, OK, so

739
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:38,360
there has to be something like
there has to be a reason why

740
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Jamie and Claire have been drawn
together the way that they have.

741
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,640
Because even with all the
trials, the tribulations, the

742
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:54,720
murders, the the, this, the
that, the, the, the, the trauma

743
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:59,400
that they have gone through just
so they can be together, it has

744
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,160
to be something on a
supernatural level.

745
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,920
Right.
And we can add to that that it

746
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,680
is because we can just say that
Jamie is magical.

747
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,440
And he is.
Let's see, he's a Patronus.

748
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,280
Yeah, my shirt, My shirt says
Jamie Fraser is my Patronus.

749
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,640
So yeah, he's patron.
So he's.

750
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,720
So let's say he's kind of more
like, we could say like maybe a

751
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:31,360
fairy where like they attract
because I feel like he attracts

752
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,040
a lot of people around him.
I agree.

753
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,840
And he has the 9 lives.
Yeah, I believe because he he

754
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,160
also attracts a lot of trouble.
He does and and think that's why

755
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,440
they said that about his lives
like he should at this point be

756
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,360
there.
He should be something is really

757
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:56,320
he has a protection spell around
him of something yes, so which

758
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,720
draws which honestly makes you
think maybe he draws travelers

759
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:09,880
to him.
Maybe he is the music, the

760
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:15,000
noise, that frequency.
I like that.

761
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,560
I do too.
I like that OK.

762
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,960
OK.
So we're going to, we're going

763
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,800
to keep, we're going to keep
ruminating over this, but we're

764
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,480
not going to do it in this in
this show because we have gotten

765
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,240
way in the weeds, as your
husband would say, way in the

766
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,360
weeds.
We're not in the basement.

767
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,320
We're we're, we're nowhere.
But I mean, at least it does

768
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,560
relate to what we were talking
about, because we were talking

769
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:44,320
about Mandy and her knowledge of
Jim and the fact that Jim is not

770
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,240
present in her mind anymore.
That's how she knows.

771
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:48,880
OK.
He's missing.

772
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,200
Right.
And then, of course, you know

773
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,000
Roger, which will be the reason
why they attract trouble to a

774
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,840
lot than the normal people.
Yeah.

775
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,040
Good, good and bad.
That's.

776
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:02,640
That's true.
That's true.

777
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,080
So.
OK.

778
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:04,560
So.
Yeah.

779
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,600
So.
Yeah.

780
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,240
So her calls.
She calls Bobby's mother because

781
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,040
Jim is supposed to be over there
for a sleepover.

782
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,880
You know, they were supposed to
go to the movies, have a

783
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,360
sleepover.
She's like, yeah, Jim is not

784
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,360
here.
Well, your brother said that he

785
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,920
was going to be over there
spending the night.

786
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,920
Sister goes and looks across the
street at her brother's house.

787
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:33,200
Brother's car is gone, so Roger
and Buck head to the Stones.

788
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,160
They find Rob Cameron's car and
then at the stones, which

789
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,680
obviously are still active
because they hear it, they find

790
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,600
Jim Scarf and I was like this
food and took this boy through

791
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:51,240
the stones, which so then here's
the question and you and I

792
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:53,040
discussed this in the last
episode.

793
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,640
Who the fuck is Rob Cameron that
he can go through the stones?

794
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,120
Correct.
But here's the thing that we've

795
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,360
missed.
This is why when you first got

796
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,200
that letter about.
The the Frenchman, I mean the

797
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,840
Spaniard and the gold the
Frenchman.

798
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,600
When you got that letter, you
should have asked your baby

799
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:18,800
about it, because now, now I
just read the letter correct.

800
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,280
And you have no idea where to
go, right?

801
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,680
I wanted to play like this.
Is he he?

802
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,840
Ha ha.
You should have asked him about

803
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,400
the gold.
You should have asked your son

804
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:32,800
about it.
But you did.

805
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,040
Well I mean OK I will under I I
will say this.

806
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,120
I understand them not asking
because of the fact that Jamie

807
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,200
gave them the warning that the
gold is cursed.

808
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,320
Yeah, but we still should have
just asked the boy if it was

809
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,960
true and where it is and we
going to stay away from it.

810
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,960
But now you don't have an idea.
However, I'm in love with the

811
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,480
duo of Rodger and Buck, but they
don't have their own.

812
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,880
Love it.
I need to see some more

813
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,040
adventures with them because
because here's the thing.

814
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,520
But came in and this is the
other reason why I was like,

815
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,600
Brianna, you need to treat him
nice.

816
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,240
You need to be better than you
need to be better to him.

817
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,160
Because even when she was
questioning him earlier about

818
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,920
why he's there, she was like, I
just want to know why you're

819
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,960
here.
Like, don't you want to go back

820
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,000
to your wife and son?
What were you thinking about

821
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,280
when you came through the
stones?

822
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,080
This dude was fake.
This dude was thinking, what the

823
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,880
fuck is this noise and why is it
reverberating all through my

824
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,840
body?
I don't think he was

825
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,200
specifically thinking of Roger
or any of that because again, he

826
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,280
didn't know Roger was king to
him.

827
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,360
And why would he think about
Roger going through the stones?

828
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,680
So there's, I, I do believe that
there may be something else

829
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,800
there that attracted him or OK,
if we're going back to the

830
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,320
conversation we had five, 5
minutes ago, Mandy being able to

831
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:02,000
travel and also have this
connection with Jim, maybe she's

832
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,560
that magnet or that, that
frequency as well.

833
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,600
Maybe, maybe there was something
out there, and I know we're

834
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,000
probably stretching it, but
maybe there was something out

835
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,080
there that pulled him through to
that particular time because.

836
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:21,360
He was needed.
He was needed because I will say

837
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,560
this, they have been, you know.
Oh, yeah.

838
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,760
Well, we're going to find.
We're going to send you back

839
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,400
through the stones.
This, that and the other.

840
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:34,240
But the minute they found out
Jim was missing, but was there.

841
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,200
OK, well, let's go find your
boy.

842
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,680
I told you Well, right.
Or die he was.

843
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,600
Yeah, I'm glad he didn't say
that.

844
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,400
I told you so.
But he went with Rodger to the

845
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,120
stones.
He was trying to tell.

846
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,600
Look, you need to calm down so
we can find him, you know,

847
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,360
trying to keep trying to keep
Roger from.

848
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,360
Doing something stupid.
Doing something stupid, but also

849
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,120
blaming himself because yes,
Roger is going down the very

850
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,200
same list that I just chided
them for.

851
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,360
He was like, why did I leave the
letters out?

852
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,160
And then he remembers that in
the journal, he wrote about

853
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,680
Gavis Duncan thinking that you
need a blunt sacrifice.

854
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,280
And so now he's thinking, oh,
Rob is going to try to go

855
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,400
through the stones and he's
going to use Jim as a sacrifice.

856
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,720
Thankfully, there was nobody at
the stones like we saw with

857
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:30,760
Jimmy Galis's husband.
But still, it's like Buck, I

858
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:36,960
think is going to be the one to
kind of level Brianna and Rodger

859
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,040
because right now they are way
up here because, you know, if

860
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,960
Rodger is in the car verbally
talking about what he should

861
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,560
have done, what he did wrong,
this, that and other, you know,

862
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,920
Brianna is probably 10 times
worse.

863
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,760
But Brianna may not even know
some of the stuff that Rodger

864
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,880
knows.
Rodger may not have even told

865
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,200
her that he thinks Cameron read
his read it.

866
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,680
Yeah, 'cause they didn't.
They may not have had that

867
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,320
conversation.
He he may have just not say

868
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,200
anything, you know, like
brushing it off.

869
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,680
So now she's in her mind
thinking my coat like we don't

870
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,480
really know what her thinking
is.

871
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,520
A more like I welcome my
coworker in.

872
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:22,000
He could be a serial killer.
I think he may have said.

873
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:26,840
Did he tell her?
I'm trying to remember because.

874
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,720
I don't remember.
That she would be like, why is

875
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,520
he why is he taking Jim?
Like why would he take Jim,

876
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,480
right.
I think that Roger was saying,

877
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,240
oh, probably because he.
They they may have had that

878
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,840
conversation in bed.
It may be something that was off

879
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,720
screen in bed.
They had the conversation.

880
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,040
No, I think he did mention to
her that one of the letters was

881
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,440
disturbed and he, Rob Cameron
knows about the.

882
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,760
The gold.
OK, Yeah.

883
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,480
Because and and again.
But does he know Roger?

884
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,080
You're sitting in, you're
sitting in your office, you're

885
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,160
looking around because you can't
sleep and, and something woke

886
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,320
him up.
So that's the other thing.

887
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,520
Something woke Roger up right
before Mandy started screaming.

888
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,960
He got out of the bed, he went
downstairs and he just started

889
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,680
looking around.
And that's when he noticed the

890
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,120
box with that little piece of
paper sticking out the corner.

891
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,760
And I'm like, the minute you saw
that, that piece of paper was

892
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,880
sticking.
Cause your instincts was telling

893
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,400
you, because your instincts
should have been saying all

894
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,040
along.
That's what Buck was trying to

895
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,120
say.
Like Buck's instincts were like,

896
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,120
oh.
But danger, Danger stranger.

897
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,760
Right.
And now you're like something

898
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,840
don't feel right, but you can't
put your finger on it.

899
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,840
Now you have your finger on it.
So, and let's just hope it's not

900
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,320
too late.
Let's see, let's see.

901
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,400
But yeah, so I said it before
and I said it and I'll say it

902
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,960
again, that Rob Cameron, you
know, I said it before that

903
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,680
something ain't right about him.
He needs to go.

904
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,280
No, that you, you don't touch
Jim now.

905
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,560
You you need to die.
You need to die.

906
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,320
Jamie needs to see this in the
past to see that his grandson is

907
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,920
in trouble.
And tell Claire, like, OK, I

908
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,880
don't know what we're about to
do, but Jamie kind of has his

909
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:24,400
mind on up things right now.
So let's just kind of transition

910
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,360
into that.
Because last note though, we

911
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,880
really don't.
We now need to know who Cameron

912
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,760
is for him to be able to travel
and hopefully we find out more

913
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,280
in the next episode.
OK, so we can go to the Jane.

914
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,880
Cameron is a dead man walking.
That's what he is 'cause he

915
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,520
didn't fuck with the wrong
family.

916
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,040
I that's what that's what I was
saying like we don't You should

917
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,520
be aware that they could be
other travelers around you and

918
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,800
their intention is is not good.
Yeah, and like I said, when when

919
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,880
Buck asked them about other
travelers and Roger told him,

920
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:04,800
you know, my mother-in-law a, a,
a Indian that I met when to go

921
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,520
daughter.
Right.

922
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,040
So you have to.
And then it's so sad that they

923
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:15,200
don't even realize like it, it's
even before you.

924
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,320
Because if you think it's passed
on to your kids, it's actually

925
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:21,520
maybe your grandparents, your
parents.

926
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,520
I mean, Gaylis Duncan.
I mean, think about it.

927
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:29,080
She's Rogers six.
Well if Buck is is the six times

928
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,200
great grandfather then that
means Galas is 7 times.

929
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,600
Right.
So it's like every, so it's now

930
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,320
looking like it's every
generation.

931
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,680
It's not skipping, it's going
every generation.

932
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,720
It's just people know and don't
know or haven't had the

933
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,920
experience or if you have a lot
of missing people in your family

934
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:54,280
line, hint, hint.
They may have the travelers.

935
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,280
Yeah, they.
Look, they only showed us a

936
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,520
little, a little piece of the
Mackenzie family tree.

937
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:01,840
Yeah.
So we don't know.

938
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,720
So 'cause 'cause we, we know
it's Roger, We know it's Jim and

939
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,720
Mandy.
It's hitting the generations.

940
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,360
Yeah, 'cause you just go.
We can just say this.

941
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,240
Yep.
You've got Buck, Buck.

942
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,480
Roger, Jim, Mandy, that's just
five and that's within a 6th

943
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,360
generation gap.
So we don't know.

944
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,560
But we don't know about Buck's
son Jeremiah.

945
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,920
And then he said Morag was
pregnant when he went through

946
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,880
the stones.
So she's currently pregnant in

947
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,800
1778.
We don't know anything about

948
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,360
that child.
And then, of course, the

949
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,840
generations coming down, it's,
it's all, oh, that's the other

950
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,400
thing on that side.
Aside from Davis, it seems to be

951
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:57,800
all, well, yeah, it's all males.
As far as all the Jeremiahs

952
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,080
'cause, if you think about
Roger.

953
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,920
And he was like, yeah, he was
like, my son is Jeremiah.

954
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,320
He was named after my father,
who was named after his

955
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,800
granddad, who was named after
your son.

956
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,880
So it's like every other
generation, there's a Jeremiah.

957
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,040
So maybe that could be the kind
of, I don't know.

958
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,880
We're again, we're, we're just
kind.

959
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,720
Of well, no, we just know it's
kind of figured out.

960
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,480
It's in the family.
Yeah.

961
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,280
So basically that means there's
other families where there's

962
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,680
travelers, so you never know who
you're going to encounter.

963
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:31,680
And Cameron clearly is 1.
And the weird thing is, OK,

964
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:38,120
isn't Jacosta's last name
Cameron?

965
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,640
Oh, don't even put stuff.
In my head.

966
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,840
That's OK.
What's happening to Jamie right

967
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,880
now?
What's happening to Jamie right

968
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,400
now?
I can't, Right?

969
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,080
Yeah.
We won't.

970
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,960
We won't go there because that
would.

971
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,920
Be that's a different episode.
That would be really screwed up

972
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,440
if he was family and going
through all that, but.

973
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,360
Yeah.
That don't wait.

974
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,440
Don't make a connection.
Please don't.

975
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,240
I'll tell you about it off
there.

976
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:06,640
OK.
Thank you.

977
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,800
I'll tell you about just remind.
OK, let's go back.

978
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,560
Let's let's go to Jamie and and
Claire.

979
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,040
Because I, I realized we're not
talking a lot about the American

980
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,640
Revolution stuff.
And that's because I'm just one

981
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,760
of those people.
History is like one of the

982
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,040
things I just don't like talking
about.

983
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,320
And there's so much going on
with these people.

984
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:35,280
But we do see the battle
Saratoga happening in this

985
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:42,720
episode.
Jamie has been, I don't know if

986
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,320
he's been conscripted or if he
volunteered since he was like,

987
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,080
well, they conscripted me for
the army anyway, or for the

988
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,120
militia anyway.
I might as well just go ahead

989
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,440
and join these snipers.
But apparently Jamie don't need

990
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,680
the glasses that he needed in in
season 3 to to shoot some folks

991
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:07,320
because he has been.
Recruited into a very elite

992
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:13,280
group of gunsmen who are
fighting in this war.

993
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,720
And again, I'm sitting here
looking like.

994
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:23,400
We can never retire.
Yeah, I, I, I think I'm, I'm to

995
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,880
the point where I'm just ready
for people to leave Jamie and

996
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,040
fuck alone.
Let him retire, live his life.

997
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,040
This man just wants to go home
to Scotland.

998
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,480
But y'all have pulled him into
the militia.

999
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,320
He had to go through all this
stuff with Fort Ticonderoga.

1000
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,120
Then Claire got kidnapped.
He had to go save her yet again.

1001
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,560
And I'm just like, just leave
this man alone, leave him alone.

1002
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:53,960
But no, y'all, y'all got him
going into battle, which he was

1003
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,720
not supposed to see any action,
right?

1004
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,720
That's what he told Claire.
But what happens at the end of

1005
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,640
the episode?
His ass is lying on the field on

1006
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,640
the battlefield.
I know he's not dead because we.

1007
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,280
Have a whole.
We have.

1008
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,440
First of all, we have a whole
another another season coming.

1009
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,080
Season and 1/2.
Right.

1010
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,520
And it's not just clear.
Right.

1011
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,480
So here we go again.
Yep, check off one of those nine

1012
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:31,960
lives, right.
But I think the really the

1013
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,480
really interesting thing that's
going to happen not just in this

1014
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,960
episode, but I think in the
next, I think we have what, one

1015
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:44,440
more episode before the the
hiatus.

1016
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,840
So we're still covering 7A7B
comes back November 22nd.

1017
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,800
But I have a feeling they're
going to do the other big battle

1018
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,440
because I think there are two
battles of Saratoga.

1019
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,240
And The thing is, Jamie is
fighting against his son in

1020
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:05,040
these battles.
Because up until you see him on

1021
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:10,080
the battlefield, most of that
battle sequence we see from like

1022
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:14,720
William's point of view, because
William is also heavily in this

1023
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,040
particular episode.
But then when you realize

1024
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,560
William was on one side and then
again at the end of the episode,

1025
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,880
you see Jamie on the ground,
you're like, wait, they were

1026
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,080
fighting against each other.
And you know, that was the one

1027
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,880
thing Jamie said he did not want
to do.

1028
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,800
That's why he was trying to
leave before things got heavy

1029
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,560
because he said that he would
never be on the opposite side of

1030
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,000
a battlefield from his son.
Right?

1031
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,760
So I'm like OK y'all can stress
me out.

1032
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,720
I know, 'cause I keep thinking
that, you know, Jamie is really

1033
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,480
good at his job.
Oh my God, he's really good at

1034
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,560
his job.
Anything he does, he's very

1035
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,160
great at.
So then it's really hard when I

1036
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,760
just kind of feel like William
was going to get shot by his

1037
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,200
dad.
I, I oh.

1038
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,920
I was like, I'm, I'm stressed
about this.

1039
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,160
And then you.
Know they can't do that.

1040
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,200
Jamie will, I mean, he won't
die.

1041
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,840
We we know William's not going
to die, but I really don't know,

1042
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,200
to be honest with you.
I don't know what's going to

1043
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,000
happen to William, but I don't
want him to be shot by his dad

1044
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,560
and I don't want that on Jamie's
conscience.

1045
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,600
And they haven't even told each
other he hadn't told William who

1046
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,440
he was.
So that's kind of the hard part,

1047
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,080
right?
So, but I'm like you, I love,

1048
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,760
I'm opposite, I love history, I
love all of this.

1049
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,160
But I am now tired of it, to be
completely honest.

1050
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,840
I'm ready for us to move on.
I'm ready for him to go back

1051
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:43,960
home.
I'm ready for.

1052
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,560
Scotland for Jamie Yeah, I am,
I'm, I'm, I'm like ready for

1053
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:54,240
that like, I, I get it, it these
little wars are important.

1054
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,360
I like how they don't know about
them because that's not what

1055
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,280
they really learned in school.
They learned about the the

1056
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,720
major, you know, wars and
battles that they had.

1057
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:11,840
However, I am now tired of this.
I am tired of the mid battle.

1058
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,040
I'm tired of.
Lionel Brown Territory.

1059
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,040
Right.
It is for me.

1060
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,680
I'm tired of Claire being, you
know, the battle nurse.

1061
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,720
I don't care anymore.
Yeah, 'cause we know what's

1062
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:30,400
going to happen now.
So I need them to to constantly

1063
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,800
put them in danger, to put them
in these battles when we know he

1064
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,560
is not going to die.
But you're taking his lives

1065
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,120
away.
I don't need him to have two

1066
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,320
left by the time he gets to get
home, right?

1067
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,320
'Cause they no tell her what's
going to happen in Scotland.

1068
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,120
Right.
So I need us to now leave

1069
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:56,400
America.
Yes, and I I mean, we already

1070
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,920
know they are going to make it
to Scotland because they yeah,

1071
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:03,560
we do because of who don't have
on the cast list when they

1072
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,120
announced who was going to be in
the the second part of season 7.

1073
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:08,440
So we know we're getting Ian
back.

1074
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,800
We know we're getting Jenny
back.

1075
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:16,640
We know that there will be some
flashback scenes because Dougal

1076
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,520
and Gay list.
Will be in there.

1077
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,800
Will be back, Marsley back.
I mean I need Fergus back.

1078
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,000
Oh yes, they are back.
They are back 'cause I did see

1079
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:33,280
a, they did post a video and
also Marsley, Lauren Lyle, she

1080
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,720
posted her, her final day of
shooting.

1081
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,080
I think it was maybe a couple of
weeks ago.

1082
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,160
She was like, she was like, my
shooting for Outlander is done.

1083
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,280
I was like, oh, we just got you
back.

1084
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:52,000
But then I have to remember
season 8, she season 8.

1085
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,360
So I'm like, OK, we we may not
see them in the back half of

1086
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:59,680
Season 7, especially if they
are, if they explore Scotland

1087
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,960
the whole time, which I don't
know if they're going to do.

1088
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:10,200
But I think for Season 8, I
think they only have, I want to

1089
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,880
say it's only 8.
Episodes I can't I I just can't,

1090
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,520
but that's why I need us to get
out of this war.

1091
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,040
I I'm just done with it.
I'm be honest with you.

1092
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,840
Yeah.
I'm done.

1093
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,760
Yeah.
It's not really doing any.

1094
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,160
It's still quality, but it's not
doing anything for me.

1095
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,440
Yeah, because again, going back
to what we were saying earlier

1096
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,200
about fixed timelines, we
already know how it's going to

1097
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,240
end.
Yeah, we do.

1098
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:40,880
We.
Already know how it's going to

1099
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,560
end.
You just make them hurt.

1100
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,880
It's just hurt again.
Yeah.

1101
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:52,280
And you're, you're introducing
us to some of the, some of the

1102
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:57,160
figures from that time, like
we've already met Benedict

1103
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,600
Arnold.
I don't know if any of the

1104
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,880
others are as important, like,
oh, Simon Fraser, you know,

1105
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,640
that's got to be a relative of
Jamie's.

1106
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:15,680
Yeah, it is.
So I just I don't know if he's a

1107
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,960
real historical figure because
just like we talked about this a

1108
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:25,280
while back, Jamie's grand sire
from season, I think it was

1109
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,080
season 1.
What was his name again?

1110
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,480
Love it, love it, love it as
well as here.

1111
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:40,320
Was it Simon Lovett?
No, the Fraser that was talked

1112
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:43,680
about.
Oh, Simon, Simon Fraser.

1113
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:48,080
OK, I thought so Simon Fraser,
but I think, I think Simon was

1114
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:54,440
his grand sire's name as well.
But and and I know that that

1115
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:59,720
there was a real historical
person by that name who was a

1116
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,760
part of the Fraser clan.
But yeah, it's, it's just

1117
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:09,920
getting to the point where it's
just, it's, it's dragging on too

1118
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,000
long.
Yeah, and it was, it was

1119
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,880
somebody.
He was a general.

1120
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:21,840
OK, OK, so it it's like we know
where where this story ends.

1121
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:29,359
I seriously doubt if Jamie would
play a big enough part for him

1122
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:31,760
to be mentioned in the history
books.

1123
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,920
But then again, we don't know
that because going back to the

1124
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,520
whole thing with Frank and what
he may or may have not have

1125
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,920
known, the fact that he was
training Brianna, you know,

1126
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,479
teaching her how to ride a
horse, teaching her how to shoot

1127
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,680
a gun.
At some point, he had to have

1128
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:54,160
found mention of her in history
in order for him to say, OK, you

1129
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,520
know what?
I need to she goes back in time.

1130
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,040
I need to, I need to train her
how to do this.

1131
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,080
Or he had to sing something
about Jamie and Claire,

1132
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,520
something other than the the
obituary.

1133
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,920
Not I know that with the
obituary, of course he's figured

1134
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,479
out OK, Claire goes back to him,
but he doesn't even know if

1135
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,160
Brianna can travel.
Right.

1136
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:22,479
And I, I totally agree.
Side note, when we were on

1137
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,800
vacation a couple weeks ago, I
met a, I'm going to say young

1138
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,120
lady met a young lady, an old
lady who has read, read all the

1139
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,680
books.
And we're talking Outlander.

1140
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:35,840
And I, I told her about that,
about what did Frank know?

1141
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,560
It's like that could be a whole
episode or book.

1142
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,479
And she and I gave her all the
points that you just said.

1143
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,560
And she's like, man, I just
never thought about that.

1144
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:51,640
And I think I think there may be
something that Diana Gabaldon is

1145
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,720
working on.
So she really.

1146
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:55,920
Yeah.
And she thought about it.

1147
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,760
She's like, well, that would
make perfect sense of why he

1148
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,320
would train her to like, he
knows something now what he

1149
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,440
knows from the extent and what
he kept to himself or what he

1150
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:10,720
put things in place for them, We
don't know, right.

1151
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:15,120
But that would be something that
would be a nice little side book

1152
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,960
that she can write.
Yeah, I would read.

1153
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,480
It I would too 'cause I would
want to know.

1154
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:26,000
And maybe that would change.
Maybe.

1155
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,320
What how you feel about Frank?
Because what OK, we that's a

1156
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:31,880
different that's a different
show too.

1157
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,720
We can talk about how you feel
about Frank It.

1158
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:37,040
It it is.
But I mean non book reader.

1159
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:44,720
I understand and care about
Frank, and he was actually.

1160
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,040
He was very sympathetic in the
show and the books, not so much.

1161
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:51,840
That's what I don't know, the
book 1.

1162
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,360
So the book Frank I feel bad
for, I feel sorry for.

1163
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:59,680
I feel like he was almost
mistreated just to take in the

1164
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,000
show.
Yeah.

1165
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,680
Based on things he could not
even help.

1166
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,480
Yeah, that's a whole other,
that's a whole, that's a whole

1167
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:12,560
different one discussion.
And guess what?

1168
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,080
We should have that discussion.
I think we should because

1169
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,600
especially with me going back
and re watching the episodes,

1170
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,320
there are certain things that
I'm looking at.

1171
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,200
You know, you always, when you
always re watch something, you

1172
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,400
always see something that you
didn't see before, no matter how

1173
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:33,480
many times you've watched it.
I think I've seen season 1 in an

1174
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:39,080
in its entirety.
This may have been my 6th or 7th

1175
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,480
viewing, aside from the
Wentworth prison episodes,

1176
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:45,760
which, you know, which I kind of
fast forwarded through, but

1177
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,360
there's still things that I'm
seeing and I'm noticing and I'm

1178
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:51,600
like, so yes, we should have
that discussion.

1179
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,760
Yeah, we should.
That's a but going back to to

1180
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,240
Claire and and Jamie.
Yes.

1181
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,960
So, so Jamie has participated in
this battle.

1182
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:07,280
Saratoga and he is lying on the
battlefield at the end, bloody

1183
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:12,320
and who knows, maybe broken,
maybe something is messed up.

1184
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:14,960
But you are.
I was going to say because you

1185
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,200
know.
Claire told him.

1186
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,320
If you don't come back to me,
I'm going to come find you.

1187
01:12:18,440 --> 01:12:20,360
You know she about to come
looking for him.

1188
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:21,880
Right.
She is.

1189
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,800
She is so.
But with William, I do want to

1190
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,400
talk about William a little bit
because the more and more I see

1191
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:39,800
his character, the more and more
I'm like, I need him to be part

1192
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,560
of the Fraser family.
Like I need that reveal to come.

1193
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:48,120
Because at first I wasn't sure
how I was going to feel about

1194
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,320
his character, especially given
the fact that he's he's very

1195
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,240
British, OK, He's very much for
king and country.

1196
01:12:55,240 --> 01:13:00,400
He's very much the opposite of
Jamie as far as his political

1197
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,880
beliefs and and what he fights
for.

1198
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:11,720
But there's so much about him I
feel like is Jamie because

1199
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:17,360
especially we know that Lord
John is a decorated soldier only

1200
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,080
from what we've heard.
Like we've never seen Lord John

1201
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:25,400
in battle in this show.
He's always, you know, in

1202
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,880
uniform.
He's a higher ranking officer.

1203
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,560
He's done his time, he's done
his battles.

1204
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,680
So we don't get to see that from
his character, but we've seen,

1205
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,160
that's almost all we've seen of
Jamie since season 1.

1206
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,720
Jamie is always in a fight.
He's always in a battle.

1207
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:42,200
He's always fighting for his
beliefs.

1208
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,800
He's always, you know, he's
always very, he's a very

1209
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,600
physical person.
And you see William also wanting

1210
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,560
to embody that as a soldier.
Like that's been the one thing

1211
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,280
about him this season.
He's he's wanting to be in the

1212
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,680
battle.
He wants to fight in the war.

1213
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,360
He wants to fight for his
country.

1214
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,600
And in this one, that Captain
Richardson, which again,

1215
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,600
something is weird about that
dude too, because why would you

1216
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:14,200
take this soldier who has the
pedigree that he has?

1217
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,600
You know, William is the son of
Lord John Gray.

1218
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,960
You keep taking him away from
the battle to go deliver

1219
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,640
letters.
Really.

1220
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,560
Like, even after the last time
he went to go deliver your

1221
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,400
letters and he was almost
killed, you still want to just

1222
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,640
send him out.
Something about him is not

1223
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,680
right.
But William does stand up for

1224
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,280
himself.
He talks to General Frazier and

1225
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,560
he's like, hey, I don't think I
should be here fighting with the

1226
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,760
rest of the man.
I don't want this little silly

1227
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,480
job.
And I don't know, maybe

1228
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:53,920
Richardson is.
Maybe Richardson is just trying

1229
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,520
to keep him safe.
Maybe Lord John has said, hey,

1230
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,000
do whatever you have to do to
keep my son from seeing battle.

1231
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,120
But I don't think Lord John
would do that, especially

1232
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:05,840
knowing that something William
wants.

1233
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:13,880
But William gets his first taste
in battle and it is not the way

1234
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,440
he expected.
Just like him killing a man was

1235
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:20,960
not what he expected and he had
to do that a couple episodes

1236
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,880
ago.
For one, he loses his best

1237
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,800
friend.
Like first shot at the Battle of

1238
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,040
Saratoga Ghost.
Yes, straight through Sandy's

1239
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,000
head.
Yeah.

1240
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,520
And it's like he's they're
sitting there having a

1241
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,480
conversation, which is
interesting because this is the

1242
01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:42,040
conversation where William
actually admits that he has a

1243
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,680
thing for Rachel.
OK, we'll, we'll unpack that

1244
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,960
later.
Because again, we've talked

1245
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:49,320
about that.
We've talked about that

1246
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,640
potential love triangle between
him, Rachel and Ian.

1247
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:56,920
But again, we haven't really
seen William and Rachel interact

1248
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,720
in the last couple of episodes.
But he's sitting there talking

1249
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,600
to Sandy about it and talks
about Rachel.

1250
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,880
And as soon as the shot goes
off, it's like he had to have

1251
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,680
heard that bullet hit his friend
because he turned his head

1252
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:17,760
directly and looked at him.
And I was like, that bullet

1253
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,280
could have gone anywhere.
Can you imagine being in your

1254
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,560
first battle and this is the
first thing you see?

1255
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,960
The person standing right next
to you who could have easily

1256
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:34,280
been.
You dies.

1257
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:39,720
So his ideas of battle, is it
actually what battle is?

1258
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,160
Yeah.
And unfortunately, that's a hard

1259
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,160
left, hard lesson for him to
learn, but that's he had to

1260
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,240
learn it in battle.
Because you couldn't even sit

1261
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,480
there and mourn your friend.
You're sitting there like in

1262
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:54,960
disbelief and in shock, trying
to get him to get up.

1263
01:16:56,440 --> 01:17:00,360
And your general is telling you
mind your man like you were

1264
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,440
supposed to be leading a, a, a
battalion group.

1265
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,960
Go do your job.
And that's when he kind of

1266
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,400
collects himself and he gets up
and he joins the battle.

1267
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:13,560
Now, again, swordplay is on
point.

1268
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,400
He's doing what he's supposed to
do.

1269
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,280
And then afterwards, when the
other soldiers are trying to,

1270
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,560
they're digging graves for the
fallen, and they're like, oh,

1271
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,120
it's deep enough.
We're going to put them bodies

1272
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,840
in.
No, he was like these people,

1273
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:33,240
these men, these soldiers did
not die on the battlefield just

1274
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,040
to be dug up later by the wolves
or whatever else is coming out

1275
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,880
of them.
And I think with him having to

1276
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:47,160
do that, like you said, he's
learning war and battle is not

1277
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,200
what he thought.
Because you, at this point, this

1278
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,000
is probably the first time he's
had to compartmentalize stuff

1279
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,400
like that.
Like you can't grieve, you can't

1280
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,040
mourn, you can't show.
Of course, this is the late

1281
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:07,280
1700s in the British Army.
You can't break down, you can't

1282
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,200
show that kind of weakness.
You have to show that oh I can

1283
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,160
handle this because I asked to
be.

1284
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:18,480
Here, right, right.
And I just wanted to reach

1285
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,480
through the TV and just give him
a hug and be like, it's going to

1286
01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:24,120
be OK, William.
Yeah, William has to learn some

1287
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,320
lessons.
There's a lot that William needs

1288
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:31,120
to learn, and he needs to learn
it from his Ted, right?

1289
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,800
'Cause I think he's learned
everything he's, he probably

1290
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:42,960
needs to from Lord John as far
as being a proper gentleman as.

1291
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,800
Right, but he now needs to learn
real life.

1292
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,120
To be honest, he does, because
he's a little wet behind the

1293
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:49,680
ears.
He he really is.

1294
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,360
He's probably been sheltered and
spoiled.

1295
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:55,840
Yeah, he has.
And he, he just needs to like,

1296
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,240
he doesn't. 9th Earl of
Ellesmere.

1297
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:02,680
Yeah, so he.
Yeah.

1298
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:08,640
So look, they need to be heavy
on that in Season 8, but I need

1299
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,800
to get a little bit of it in
Season 7.

1300
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:16,200
Right, so I say we need we, we
do need to, but he has to.

1301
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:22,560
That's the issue I actually have
with William right now.

1302
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:27,080
But I understand it like I need
William to grow up 'cause like

1303
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:31,600
right now, he found he, if he
found out that Jamie was his

1304
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:37,880
dad, like his reaction would be
horrible.

1305
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,160
It's going to be similar to
Brianna's when she found out.

1306
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:46,160
Right, because he is, so he's
not worldly.

1307
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,840
I feel like I need him to be
worldly and understand the

1308
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:55,640
circumstances of how this came
to be so that when just just

1309
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,600
life, just period life.
So when they come to him and say

1310
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,840
like, actually, this is how you
came into this world, you're

1311
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,280
like, OK, I kind of get it.
I'm upset.

1312
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,960
I'm the typical understanding
that this is my father, this is

1313
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,640
my dad, but this is my real
father.

1314
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,920
All those issues that come in
between.

1315
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,840
But now I feel like it just be
like he's like a teenager.

1316
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,120
He's just.
Well, I think technically.

1317
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,160
I know technically he probably
is one.

1318
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:26,560
He's supposed to be.
I think I want to say either 18

1319
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,800
or 19.
Yeah.

1320
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,560
OK.
Well, then, yeah, that's pretty

1321
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,400
much it.
I just need him to get a little

1322
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,240
whirly, like, not you can even
see it.

1323
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,520
Ian.
Ian.

1324
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,640
Has gone through some things,
yeah.

1325
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:46,440
But I mean, and he is youngster
going and he is young too, but

1326
01:20:46,440 --> 01:20:50,800
he, he knows about the world.
Yeah, 'cause I think when he

1327
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,000
went through all of that stuff
with, well, I mean, getting

1328
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:59,280
kidnapped and then what Gaylors
put him through, he was only 16

1329
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,880
then 15 or 16 then, right?
Yeah.

1330
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:07,440
So unfortunately he's had to
grow up a lot faster.

1331
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:11,560
But again, he's also been, he's
also seen more of the world,

1332
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,480
which I'm not saying that
William hasn't, because if you

1333
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:18,800
think about it, when Lord John
was in Jamaica, Isabel and

1334
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,520
William were supposed to be on
their way.

1335
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,400
But he saw a different part of
the world.

1336
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:29,520
Yeah.
So he saw the, the pretty coats,

1337
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,000
the pretty colors.
He didn't see what was behind

1338
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:32,440
it.
Yeah.

1339
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,360
Yeah.
And that's what I need him to.

1340
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,960
And he's getting it now.
Especially like, oh, I'm going

1341
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,040
to be a battle.
This is such a great, wonderful

1342
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,840
thing.
And 'cause I'm, you know, I'm

1343
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,680
fighting for my country, but
then you realize, well, yeah,

1344
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,080
I'm fine for my country, but
this shit sucks.

1345
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,720
Yeah, like.
There's real death and it could

1346
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,760
be you, it could be your friend
next to you, it could can happen

1347
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,080
at any time, right?
On both sides.

1348
01:21:57,080 --> 01:22:03,240
Everyone is fighting for
something, so, and sometimes

1349
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,040
you're fighting against a
relative that you don't even

1350
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:10,280
know.
Yeah, 'cause then, if you think

1351
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,880
about it, that means that
General Fraser is his relatives.

1352
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:17,040
Too, right.
Correct.

1353
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,280
See.
So yeah, I just need for.

1354
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:26,080
I hope in Part 2 he just kind
of, you know, he kind of grows

1355
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:30,200
up so that when the revealing
happens, we don't have to rush

1356
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,800
it but he can be angry.
Of course he should be angry.

1357
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:39,040
They didn't tell him the truth,
but to be kind of understanding

1358
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,440
in a way and lean towards
learning, learning about his

1359
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:44,160
sister and having that
relationship.

1360
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,040
And right now, that's not going
to happen where William is at

1361
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:49,960
this point in time.
Right, right.

1362
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,160
I mean and it's going to be
difficult with that.

1363
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,400
I mean, even just because of the
fact that Brianna is not even in

1364
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,120
that time anymore, right,
That's.

1365
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,680
A whole different way of I don't
even know if they get 'cause I

1366
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:04,720
don't know that's a good thing
about it.

1367
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:05,920
I don't know if they get to
meet.

1368
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:09,120
Yeah.
So hopefully that does happen.

1369
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,160
Yeah.
Hopefully it's not a tragedy

1370
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,960
that he does never find out
about Jamie.

1371
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,920
Right, 'cause I would hate for
him to die in battle.

1372
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,640
And then Jamie's like, oh, my
son.

1373
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,240
And right when he's died, 'cause
then I'm going to be really

1374
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:22,800
pissed off.
I'm just going to tell you all

1375
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:28,320
that right now I I don't think
you do know.

1376
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,520
You don't need you don't need to
tell me later.

1377
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,040
I'm.
No, no, no, I wasn't.

1378
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,080
I'm not even, I'm not even going
into book stuff because again,

1379
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,960
they do change some stuff from
the book to the show.

1380
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,200
I'm just.
Saying I'm telling people, so if

1381
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:43,000
they film this, they need to go
back and film it again.

1382
01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:44,560
That's not what we're going to
do.

1383
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,120
We're not going to have this boy
find out dying on the

1384
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:49,000
battlefield and Jamie crying
over.

1385
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,120
No.
It's that's not, that's not

1386
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,880
what's going to happen here.
I I don't.

1387
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,520
Think that they would do that
because the amount of outrage

1388
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:03,160
they would have no and and I
think you know, with you talking

1389
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,720
about William needing to mature
and needing to be a little more

1390
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:12,200
worldly, I think that has to
happen as far as the reveal of

1391
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,680
Jamie being his father.
He has to know that in order to

1392
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:21,160
get to that point, I think.
Because right now, like I said,

1393
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,280
he's the 9th Earl of Ellesmere.
He's never had to want for

1394
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:28,200
anything.
He's, you know, he's had every

1395
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,960
luxury handed to him.
I mean, we don't know much about

1396
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:35,200
how he's brought up, but you,
you have to believe that Lord

1397
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:40,480
John would have made sure that
Jamie's son lacked for nothing.

1398
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:44,680
He lacked for nothing and that's
his storyline about maturing, so

1399
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,640
we don't need this love
triangle.

1400
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,640
Nah.
We don't.

1401
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:53,160
He has his own path that he
needs to take that leads him to

1402
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:55,960
Jamie.
And that goes back to what we

1403
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,080
said earlier about Jamie is a
magnet.

1404
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,840
He has that force field around
him because even his son keeps

1405
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:05,120
being.
Pulled around him in his

1406
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:09,000
vicinity after he thought he
would never see his son again.

1407
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:10,560
Correct?
Yeah.

1408
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:16,080
So, OK 'cause in real life he
wouldn't keep running into his

1409
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,640
son like this.
Yeah.

1410
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:22,800
And I think so.
It's interesting because the the

1411
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:25,440
casting that they did, of course
they're not going to find

1412
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:31,280
somebody that looks exactly like
Sam Hewitt to play William.

1413
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:36,120
But I think they did get casting
pretty good because there are

1414
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:41,960
certain facial expressions that
that William Charles Vandervar

1415
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,000
does that does remind you of
Jamie.

1416
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,920
Like he I think he's really
studied that character because

1417
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:52,480
in the books when they talk
about Jamie and and William,

1418
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:57,560
Jamie does his best not to ever
be in the same vicinity with

1419
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:01,920
William because of the fact that
William looks so much like him.

1420
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:08,160
That is like if if they were 100
feet away from each other in a

1421
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:11,080
crowd and one person looked one
way and one person looked the

1422
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,200
other way, they would instantly
make the connection.

1423
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,000
Does he have dark hair in the
books?

1424
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:19,520
He has dark hair, but they
mentioned that when he was going

1425
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,480
through the Dismal Swamp and of
course, you know, he couldn't

1426
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:24,560
shave because he was lost for a
few days.

1427
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,560
His beard comes in copper.
Interesting.

1428
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:29,840
Mm, hmm.
Mm hmm.

1429
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,000
Because I like that he has dark
hair like his, like his mom.

1430
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,520
Because it was but.
Yeah, his beard, his beard comes

1431
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:38,560
in a little copperish, a little
Auburn.

1432
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:42,480
But he, because you know, they,
they talk about redhead headed

1433
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:46,680
people being like that's, that's
the devil's color or something

1434
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:48,040
having to do with redhead
people.

1435
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:52,240
I think Geneva's father.
No, not Geneva's father, her

1436
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:57,480
fiance when Jamie was there
minding the carriage and he was

1437
01:26:57,480 --> 01:27:01,200
like, good God, I would drown.
I would drown a child if I if he

1438
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:05,000
ever came out with that color.
So the red hair is not anything

1439
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:08,200
that seemed favorably.
So William usually shaves it off

1440
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:12,880
immediately when he has it.
And so he does that in the

1441
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,800
books.
But of course we haven't seen it

1442
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:20,080
here in the show because they
they went through the Dismal

1443
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,160
Swamp stuff pretty quickly,
which is good because it kind of

1444
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,880
dragged on and.
Right, like these battles.

1445
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,560
So we need to get we need to, we
need to get going.

1446
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:33,800
Yeah, so so.
Yeah, but I I'm looking forward

1447
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:39,440
to more William content because
like I said in the book when I

1448
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:43,680
started reading him, of course
he he does kind of comes off

1449
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,800
very pompous, very, very
British.

1450
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:50,800
And he just kind of grows on me
in the book.

1451
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,760
And I'm finding that he's
growing on me in the show as

1452
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,400
well, because we don't, we don't
see a lot of the like you do see

1453
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,800
him being, I don't want to say
pompous, but like I said, he's

1454
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:06,160
he's being a a proper British
gent the way Lord John is.

1455
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:10,800
Lord John can be very, very
stiff and very formal.

1456
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,800
But we know little, I was about
to say little John.

1457
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:20,640
We know Lord John has a spark of
mischievous with within himself.

1458
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:26,040
And I think maybe if we see
William a little bit more, we'll

1459
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:31,520
see that from him before, you
know, all hell breaks loose.

1460
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,920
Yeah.
But I'm, I'm, I'm ready for it.

1461
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,760
I need to see, I need to see the
reunion.

1462
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,960
I need to see whatever the
fallout from that reunion is

1463
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,800
going to be.
And then I need to see him and

1464
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,080
Jamie kind of working their way
towards each other.

1465
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,040
I need to see what that's going
to look like on screen.

1466
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,120
So.
But I need them to not fight

1467
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:01,200
each other in battle.
But again, like I said, there

1468
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:03,400
were two battles of Saratoga.
I have a feeling we're going to

1469
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,560
see the second one, especially
since they've been, they've been

1470
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,160
giving us all of the battles.
So, but I mean, they did that

1471
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,720
too with the, with the Jacobite
rising.

1472
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,520
So we saw press the pans we saw.
I forgot there was one other.

1473
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:23,560
And then of course, colliding.
So yeah, we have what, just a

1474
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:30,320
little over a month and 1/2 to
go because this is like I said,

1475
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,240
September 29th is coming back
November 22nd.

1476
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:41,320
So it's coming.
But now my question is, they

1477
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:49,120
just wrapped season 8 yesterday.
How long are we going to have to

1478
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,120
wait to get season?
Eight.

1479
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,680
It literally should be if the
next year.

1480
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,800
This time I hope so, because I
mean it honestly should be

1481
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,440
November.
Yeah.

1482
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,680
Yeah, because we're getting the
last part in November and then a

1483
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:11,000
year later you wrapped.
It's not like this has to be a

1484
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:15,040
lot of, I'm sorry, CGI going on.
It's not.

1485
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:19,480
Yeah, yeah.
I just don't want to.

1486
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:23,120
You just have to edit.
That's all you have to do.

1487
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,080
It should not take two years.
I hope not.

1488
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,960
I hope not it for.
A year and a half no.

1489
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:35,760
Especially if because I don't I
don't think they've given us a

1490
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,960
premiere date for Blood of My
Blood yet, but I would hope that

1491
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:44,640
they would wrap up Outlander
first before going into Blood of

1492
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:45,880
My Blood.
Right.

1493
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,440
I mean, I know the two stories
are did they, did they finish,

1494
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,920
finish filming that?
I believe they did.

1495
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:56,120
Oh, oh Lord, that means yeah, it
could be.

1496
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:56,960
AI don't know.
I'm not.

1497
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,160
I'm not sure.
That means we will, I know, but

1498
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,280
that means we will get a prequel
first and then we will get the.

1499
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:04,880
I don't, I don't know if they
would do that.

1500
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:06,320
I don't know if they should do
that.

1501
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:07,440
They.
Shouldn't.

1502
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:11,400
Because you don't want the, even
though I know that people are

1503
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:14,840
going to understand that these
are two separate stories taking

1504
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,320
place in two separate time
periods.

1505
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,240
Still, you don't want to mix the
stories together, especially

1506
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,760
since you're talking about
Jamie's parents and you're gonna

1507
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:30,640
have like a young Dougal, a
young column, a young Ellen.

1508
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:36,360
I don't think they've cast a
young Jacosta in this.

1509
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:42,240
So I I don't know.
But yeah, I would hope we would

1510
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:49,520
get Season 8 late next year and
then probably blood of my blood

1511
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,320
right after that.
That's what that's what I'm a

1512
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:55,440
hope.
Fingers crossed.

1513
01:31:55,640 --> 01:32:00,280
Now they want to release Season
8 earlier than November of next

1514
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,240
year.
I wouldn't be mad at that

1515
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:04,400
either, especially since we
don't know when we're getting

1516
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,760
book 10.
That's true.

1517
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:14,080
So I, I, I, I I can't, right.
But.

1518
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,640
Let's see, is there anything
else we need to talk about this

1519
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,440
episode?
I like the way that Jim and

1520
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,800
Mandy were just like, oh, he's
the knuckle bee.

1521
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:23,840
He's not that bad.
We like him.

1522
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,240
Brandon was like, how did he get
them on his side already?

1523
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,320
Because Buck is not a bad guy.
No, he's not.

1524
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:36,640
So that's that's why they.
I know.

1525
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:37,840
Yeah.
So.

1526
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,480
OK, but yeah, I'm gonna need,
I'm gonna need Roger.

1527
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:45,760
And even though now I know they
have no choice because their son

1528
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:50,080
has been kidnapped, taken
through the stones, I, but I

1529
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:52,280
just, I need them to get their
shit together.

1530
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,360
I need them to be a little more
cautious.

1531
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,840
I need them to be a little more
mindful about what they're

1532
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,720
doing, what they're saying, what
they're sharing with people.

1533
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:07,240
And I mean, I, I get the whole
thing about I get the whole

1534
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:11,880
thing about the friendship with
Rob Cameron because you can't

1535
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,120
stay.
You can't be too standoffish.

1536
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,320
You can't be too protective in
that sense.

1537
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:20,440
Because if you come back to this
time and you only surround

1538
01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:23,720
yourself with your wife and your
husband and your kids and you

1539
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:30,800
don't have friends aside from
Fiona, you know, then people are

1540
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,240
going to look at you like, what
are you guys hiding?

1541
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,840
So I can understand that part,
but it's just, I need you to be

1542
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:42,440
more cautious and more mindful
of your surroundings and what's

1543
01:33:42,440 --> 01:33:47,480
going on and, and paying
attention to how people are

1544
01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:50,400
behaving.
Because again, if Buck can see

1545
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,040
it, they should have been able
to see it.

1546
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:57,520
Especially Brianna, you, you're.
Claire's daughter?

1547
01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,400
Yeah, you're suspicious.
Of.

1548
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,760
Everybody.
But you know what?

1549
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:07,480
Let's be honest, though.
Was Claire like that when she

1550
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:09,000
came home?
No.

1551
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:16,320
She wasn't even paying
attention.

1552
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:20,240
Well, let's do show only well,
she wasn't even paying attention

1553
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:27,280
to the man in the house, whether
and maybe the stuff he got going

1554
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,600
on, or the stuff he knew or did
not know, or the stuff he had

1555
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:34,480
into play in his study.
She wasn't even again.

1556
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:39,000
She was just being blissfully
ignorant because.

1557
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,960
So we're going to tell, we're
going to say the same thing for

1558
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,920
them because again, because
where Claire came from, you

1559
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,240
know, you shouldn't trust people
around you either.

1560
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,680
You never know.
But she just you just want to

1561
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:54,520
think positive about everyone
and everything is good because

1562
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:56,520
of what you came from.
And that's we're going to say

1563
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,600
that for them, OK, even though I
totally agree with everything

1564
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,520
you saying, but we're going to
give them that.

1565
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:05,960
OK, I'm going to try not to be
so hard on them.

1566
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:08,320
They adapted to the world around
them.

1567
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:17,840
They don't know stranger danger.
OK, I'm a child to be a little

1568
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,200
nicer, but.
However, I'm still with you

1569
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,840
again.
You know the world you're coming

1570
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,800
from.
And even with that, you don't

1571
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:29,160
know if you will encounter again
other travelers or people who

1572
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:36,000
have vengeance because you
helped their relative actually

1573
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,920
die.
And you just never know.

1574
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,600
And it was a story about this
couple that traveled through

1575
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,720
time.
You just really don't know.

1576
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,280
Yeah.
The effect you have on others

1577
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:52,080
around you and any travelers you
really don't know.

1578
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,880
Yeah.
When the ghost daughter may pop

1579
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:56,360
up.
Yeah.

1580
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,440
You just never.
You just never know, so you have

1581
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:02,840
to be, you have to be aware.
And you already had someone

1582
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,520
sneaking around your house even
though it turned out to be your

1583
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:09,240
own relative.
He just may need to like lock

1584
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:13,200
stuff up, right?
You tell you telling your son

1585
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,800
not to talk about it.
Y'all need to not write about

1586
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:16,560
it.
How about that?

1587
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:18,080
OK.
So that's the.

1588
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:23,320
So that's the other thing that I
have the issue as far as the

1589
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:28,520
being careless stuff about.
So for weeks now your children

1590
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:32,240
have been telling you about this
Neklavi been telling you that

1591
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:37,360
this this person threatened, you
know them if they said anything

1592
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:40,560
blah blah blah.
And you find this man lurking

1593
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,280
about your house even though you
you realize who he is.

1594
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:49,680
Why are you sending your kids
outside to the camper by

1595
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:54,360
themselves at night?
Yeah, it's time to get ready to

1596
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:55,800
go to bed.
Can we watch TV?

1597
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,640
Yeah, you can go watch a little
bit of TV.

1598
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,280
Go outside to the camper.
Yeah.

1599
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:02,560
I don't have no gates around.
Lolly.

1600
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:07,040
Lolly.
Brock, you just found a stranger

1601
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:12,040
again I and.
And again, I I know 80s people.

1602
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,640
No it's not even 80s.
I feel like that is them.

1603
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,640
That would have been them at any
time period.

1604
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,640
Also a little too interesting.
They are.

1605
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:28,520
And the only reason why they
still alive is because of Jamie,

1606
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:36,880
Ian and Claire.
Jamie and Ian would have had a

1607
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,320
trap set, you see, They would
have been like, we've been to

1608
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:43,000
find out what's going on, but
they just like, oh, the kids

1609
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,040
pretend.
Or maybe somebody's out there.

1610
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:49,960
Maybe go find out parents.
Yeah.

1611
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,800
You're right.
You are so right.

1612
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,960
No, they they, they are like
that.

1613
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,800
OK.
We can, we can go back.

1614
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:02,080
They are like that and I'm not
saying they deserve the things

1615
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:06,920
that happened to them, but they
are a little bit more trusting.

1616
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,480
And they should be.
The and should be and put

1617
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:13,760
themselves in situations that
you wouldn't normally put

1618
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:17,840
yourself in, right?
To be honest, both of them,

1619
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:22,320
yeah.
OK, I think the only other two

1620
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,320
things.
That they would know because bad

1621
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,960
things that happened to them.
So I'm kind of confused about

1622
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:31,840
why, but that's them.
I know, I know.

1623
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:35,080
There are only two other things
I want to mention about this

1624
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:39,800
episode, and they're both very
superficial. 1 is I do not like

1625
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,640
Brianna's 80s hair.
I don't like it.

1626
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:48,800
I don't like it.
The second is I absolutely love

1627
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,200
Roger in this blue kilt.
Get up.

1628
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:56,400
He looked good.
You hear me?

1629
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,520
Yes.
That's all I have to say about

1630
01:38:58,560 --> 01:38:59,800
that.
Oh, no.

1631
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:08,600
Third thing, I would not have
thought that a song about

1632
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:14,080
witnessing somebody murder
somebody would be a good song to

1633
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,760
Make Love to and for that sex
scene.

1634
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:23,400
But in the air tonight, during
that scene, I was like, this is

1635
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,040
a weird Music Choice, but I'm
not mad at it.

1636
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,640
Oh, was it just?
Me.

1637
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,360
I didn't even look at it that
way.

1638
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:36,520
So now you're going to make me
go back?

1639
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:42,720
It's just something about the
drums and about the the emotion

1640
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,760
in the song now that I picked up
and I but I wasn't thinking

1641
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,480
about the meaning of the song.
Oh, yeah.

1642
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:51,560
Because I think that's, that's
what that's what the rumor is

1643
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:55,040
that the song was about.
It was like supposed to be a man

1644
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:59,000
who is.
Yeah, I heard that rumor, but I

1645
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,920
wasn't paying attention.
I was just listening to the just

1646
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:03,720
the music in in them.
OK.

1647
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,120
All right.
I have to do that now.

1648
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:08,040
OK.
Yep.

1649
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:09,600
Mm hmm.
OK.

1650
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:15,800
So I think we only have one more
episode and then we got a couple

1651
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:21,360
of weeks and then we will pick
up on time with these 7B

1652
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:25,880
episodes and get those put out.
But for now, that is it for our

1653
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:27,880
show.
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1654
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:31,920
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1655
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:33,640
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1656
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,440
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1657
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1659
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:43,680
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1660
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