Outlander (Season 8 Episode 1) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #399

0:24 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I am here with Michelle and Dina and Drought Lander is finally. Over. Yes, we are discussing the season 8's premiere of Outlander. It is the first episode of the final season. I'm still not over that. I'm still not happy with that. But OK. It is what it is. But how are you doing? Are you guys OK? Are you glad we're out of drought land? And Dina, welcome to Outlander. Oh yeah, yeah. Because she was, she did blood of my blood with us.

1:09 Welcome. How are you feeling? It's the final season. I've been dreading just because like, like just knowing stuff that's supposed to happen or appears to be happening. I'm like dreading it 'cause you know, there's, I want them to live forever. Their love is so great. I just want them to live forever and like they need them. Yeah, they will. It will be the notebook. They'll be old and they'll die together. No, wait, you keep in the notebook with them. Well, hopefully not as bad as notebook is when what the reason, But yes they can die again. But together, yes, OK.

1:51 So we're going to get into the season 8's premiere. We're going to go ahead and address the elephant in the room. There's a lot of things we need to talk about in this. Which one we're going to go ahead. We're going to go ahead and from the top, we all go ahead and get this faith stuff out the way. Let's let's let's let's talk about it. Let me get my notes here. You got notes. OK, now I will say this because I didn't get a chance to go back and rewatch the last episode of season 7. So I actually got to go to the premiere event in New York City last week, and I got to see it with the fans and I got to see with the cast, which was a great way to view it.

2:34 But it was so weird because, you know, the episode starts with this cold open, and it's Jamie and Claire. And I'm sitting here figuring out like, what the hell are they doing? And it had to click in my brain. OK, so at this point, if people haven't realized this already, they are veering from the books and we will talk about that as well because I've seen a lot of people pissed off about them deviating from the books. A lot of people pissed off about this whole faith thing. I have my own thoughts about it, but Michelle, you got notes, so we gonna start with you. Well, I know, and it's hard because we don't want to do spoilers of Blood of my blood, but thinking of what was happening in that show and then this, and I'm so happy they got caught up and that this really could be faith.

3:26 But if it is, let's just let's just think about it. There's one thing that's that's showing that it's not her. I got evidence, OK, The evidence is come on, counselor. If you lost her when you gave birth, then how would she know the song right? How would she know I have it? But was it explain song? You got something for that? OK, OK, OK, OK, let's show evidence. OK, So remember talking about how you know it When we're talking about my blood, My blood, we're talking about how she was singing the song like while she was I guess pregnant with her and all this stuff. Whoever took her knew the song and they whoever 'cause they, I'm pretty sure whoever took her was there and they swapped that baby and they were singing that song. OK, and see, see, I thought about that. That's a lot.

4:18 I rewatched the clip of Claire and faith in in the hospital before I started rewatching this tonight because I was like, I, I just kind of need to get my, my head in that that space. And there are a lot of things that don't add up to this being faith or to Fanny's mom being faith first and foremost. They gave Claire that baby in the morning. She held that baby all day. Yep. OK, now say what we think about Mother Hildegard or Lord.

5:08 My mind just went blank. Master Raymond. Yes, Master Raymond, I don't feel like they would do something as cruel as made clear go through that kind of suffering. I mean, we saw the visual of her on the table, we saw her bleeding out. We saw them doing the surgery. I just, I don't feel like this is faith. This is their faith. And the other thing is Outlander has been good over the last seven seasons. They lead us in One Direction and then we find out something else totally different is going on. And I kind of feel like that's what they're doing with this character.

5:53 I feel like it's a purposeful misdirect because I, I feel like in a way, they're, they're trying to pull Fanny and Jane's story into Jamie and Claire's and they're trying to, you know, just kind of make that suspense, which, OK, I get it. If you want to do something different, that's different. Again, this has now veered away from book territory. OK, This is not an adaptation anymore. This is based on the novel written by Diana Gabaldon, which means there are certain liberties they are going to take. If you have gotten this far watching Outlander and you don't realize that they're deviating from the books or you're still pissed off that they're deviating from the books, you're not paying attention if it's not going to be a faithful adaptation.

6:44 And, and I'm OK with that one because I was a show fan 1st and then I went in and read the books and the books way too dense, way too much information. They can't do it. The second thing is for this to be the final season and Diana Gabaldon has not yet finished writing her 10th book. Why, as an author, would you give the show permission to tell your story before you put your story out there? Because if they tell her story, if they give her ending in the show, what's going to compel people to go buy the book?

7:29 Granted, yes, the book fans are going to go buy it regardless, but the people that you are trying to convert to the books from the show, if they already have the answer, why are they going to go look for it elsewhere? And This is why I don't understand why book people are so mad because it's like, do you read? If you have been following these books for what? She wrote these books 30 years ago. If you have been following these books for 30 years and then the show comes in and gives you the ending instead of you sitting down with your cup of coffee in your pajamas in your comfortable chair and reading the ending like you did all the other books. Why would you want that?

8:13 I don't want that. And I was a show a show fan first. I, I don't mind the, the, the, the ending being different. So I don't mind them doing different things. Going back to Faith again, Claire saying to that stillborn baby all day or she was holding that stillborn baby all day. OK, there's there's a part in the books where they talk about it. They don't mention this in the show, but there's a part in the book where when when Louise comes to the hospital and sees all of that like they, if if I'm not mistaken, I think I'm remembering this correctly, but the baby has started to decay like you can. You can smell the death on her so. So it can't be a fake baby.

9:09 Second, whose dead baby are you about to give her and why would you do that? That's why it makes sense to me. It doesn't. Yeah, and I don't. Think, I don't think mother, I don't think she would do that because she was a woman of the cloth and I just don't think for whatever reason she would do that. There's no, there's no reason why that is true. There's no, there's no why unless there's something this TV is going on like they realized Faith needs to be taken because later she has to grow up here to save the world. But that it that's not this show.

9:51 So there is there isn't a why right now. I think it is a misdirect, but it's kinda I I don't want us to say because just in case someone didn't see that that other show, but it could be a different relative. Yeah, he who that's still the family line. And maybe that relative was singing to his wife, who then sung to her kids. Or they could sun to their children because. Together, you see what I'm saying? That song came from. The 19 I mean it's the song was written in 19 O 9.

10:32 Song came from, you know. It's, you know, I forgot. You see that? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that it probably came from that. Person versus Claire. Yeah, Claire. No, that's what that's right about. That she stuck on that, but there's something. Something they're going to connect blood in my blood and they're going to have to somehow. That's what I think too. I think. I think that's what so we going to find out and maybe we'll find out in the book. I, I'm not going to, I, I would say probably not in the book because Diana has. Not that book I'm talking about. I'm sorry. I'm talking about, oh, Frank's. Book.

11:12 Frank's book. OK, OK, the other the other thing about this is we are all basing this on the fact that Claire saw the name Faith on the Locket. She looked at the picture of the girl and you know, she she was pretty, she looked familiar. But The thing is, Faith is actually not an uncommon name. Now, the fact that somebody named Faith is involved or directly related to this person who is coming to Jamie and Claire's hemisphere, that's a little bit coincidental. But again, I do personally feel like there is going to be a tie in to Blood of My Blood because the way that they are doing that show and again, based on based on characters from the Outlander series, it says that very clearly in Blood of My Blood. And we already know in the books, Claire's parents are dead.

12:12 They're like dead, dead. Diana has said that several times to the point where she's like, yeah, in the show, like I don't even think about those characters because those characters don't exist to me. Like, so they're dead In the show, however, they are live. They are time travelers. And we did see at the end of the first season, there is a possibility they may have had to go through the stones to protect themselves. I think this faith that we are discussing could possibly be related to Claire, but just not in the way that she thinks. Because here's the other thing.

12:54 Why would you as a writer take the character and the fans on a journey to lose that character not once but twice without ever having met her? Why would you do that emotional damage? That's why I think it's a misdirect. I think they're setting this up. And granted, it'll probably, it will be heartbreaking to Claire and Jamie if they find out, oh, that actually wasn't our daughter, but. It's another relative, yeah. But it will also be good because now they don't have to live with that, that guilt or that hurt or that right about, oh, our daughter was out there in the world and she didn't.

13:37 And that's we didn't have her. And that's what I think it is. Like it literally it's just it opens the door for her to learn about other relatives and not necessarily her parents. Just yeah. And I will say her parents, but not necessarily faith. Even the faith that's on the Lockheed that she related to, it just opens up their minds to her parents. That's all I'm going to say. Her parents. Oh gosh. Try. Try not to spoil blood in my blood. Makes it very good look if they, if they wash blood in my blood, look, we've been talking about blood in my blood. They just mute for five blood for 5 minutes. Go ahead and spoil it.

14:20 That's how I'll I'll play spoiler alert in the in the show notes. Before, Oh yeah, 'cause I was just thinking like, you know, we did. I think we, I think we discussed this on blood in my blood. It's like if Julia has another kid while she's back in the past, and that could be the faith or that you know, And so like we don't like, it's so many things that could. And that right. And it ultimately could be his wife. That's all I was trying to say. Like it's his. It could be his wife. He could have been the captain that they were mentioning if the story was true. I don't really really. Trust. Pirates. But it's that could be his wife and he sung the song to his and then his wife also sung it to the kids 'cause she learned it from him. Yeah, yeah.

15:09 That's. True. That is more logical. Yeah. Then your baby was taken. Your stillborn baby. Your stillborn baby. No, no. They gave you another stillborn baby. Somebody else had to have a dead baby. That is soap opera, that's what that's. Right it is. And then a person heard you sing the song the day you were grieving your baby or when you were walking around pregnant to this scene too, because I got another theory. Before you, before you talk about your theory, because here's the other thing about that. If you're talking about someone took her baby and switched it out with somebody else, you are talking so much complicity in a nunnery.

15:53 Right. In a hospital full of none. Now, the only thing I would say was suspicious when I went back and looked at the the clip, that asshole Doctor Who was working in there with her, the the one who was the butcher, he was the one that that delivered faith. He was the one that was, you know, treating her. He kept looking at her in in like this weird way. But I thought at the time that he was looking at her because he already didn't like her. She had already questioned him on some of his methods. So I was just kind of looking at it like he's thinking, oh, you know what, she deserved this or whatever because he's a man and he didn't whatever. But other than that, you're talking about mother, Mother Hildegard.

16:39 You're talking about the doctor. You're talking about the other two nuns who were there at the birth. She, she was surrounded by people at birth. You mean to tell me all those religious folks took part in a lie and lied to this woman about her baby and then kept that lie going when they saw her go to pieces? I just don't believe that. I just don't believe that. I had to remember I had to go back and watch because I was. I have restarted watching Outlander from the beginning but I have to finish that first season so I can get to that to France because I forget so much. That that's a that's a rough episode to go through, though. But Michelle, what was your other theory? Oh no, I was being crazy with the theory being that OK, she lost faith but Faith was taken from her. But Faith was actually in the nunnery as an adult. Oh God.

17:34 And heard the song. See, I said that's so far out. So guess what? Since that's so far out and the one we just said was far out, that means the original idea of is her brother's family. Yeah, is lying. Is lying. Is she gonna learn about his life? That's what I feel like. That's really, that's why that connection is there. And then I, I don't know something about the I I don't know. But then that's still sad 'cause even if she finds out as her brother's lying, they did. But OK, so here is the other thing that that would make it very weird. So Brianna is in what, her 30s now? Faith was only a year and a half, maybe 2 years older than Bri at the most.

18:28 You mean to tell me she had a, a, a child James age, which I mean 1700s teenage pregnancy? That's not that far off. But from what? The, the, the ship, the the guy who they killed at the beginning of the episode. I mean, he could have lied, but the fact that he used the captain's name, Pocock, he said that without, without prompting. So that makes me think that most of what he said was true. He also talked about the wife and he said she had wild hair. He didn't say she had red hair. He said he just said wild hair. I did. I did. That could have. I mean, if you think about it, that's the way Claire was described early on in the in the show and in the. Books so 'cause you don't know if we don't learn this later in other seasons of blood in my blood, we don't know. Oh.

19:24 That would be That would be so mad, that drag. That no if the the brother starts traveling himself and he found him a woman who can travel and she from the current time too. Well, current time. No, Claire's time. Not his time. You know what I'm trying to say? Our time. But basically to to narrow it down, we're all in agreement. This is not Faith Fraser that they are talking about. There's no way. I don't know what Master Raymond needs forgiveness for. Maybe he needs forgiveness because he knows that maybe he knew that Claire's parents were alive. Maybe he that part out.

20:09 You know, because I don't know if you guys are aware, but I know in the books, I believe it's either hinted or it's confirmed that I haven't read the side, all of the side novellas yet, but I think it's hinted that Master Raymond is a time traveller and I think he may be related to Claire. Oh yeah, you told us that. If they if they're tying that into the story, that could make a little more sense because then that could explain a little bit more as far as her, you know, maybe he knows her parents. And then there's some other things too, like the whole thing with with Claire and her, well, do I really want to go into the book stuff now?

20:58 I don't think I want to go into the book stuff now, so I'm going to scratch that. But and we'll just we'll come back and revisit that later because I know where I was going to go. But there there are certain things about Claire and whatever power, quote UN quote, she's supposed to come into when, you know, when her hair turns white, she's supposed to come into some power. They do talk about that a little bit in the books, and if they're going to bring that into the story for the show, that might explain more about the whole Faith thing. But I still don't think it's her daughter Faith that I would. I would definitely say that without hesitation.

21:39 I don't think it's Faith. I think it's a misdirect. I think it's something to either one get the fans interested or get the fans pissed off. And then when you pull the Okie Doke and reveal what the whole thing really was, it's kind of going to be like, oh, that makes so much more sense that I that's just how I feel. And I do feel like it may have a blood of my blood tie in. And I kind of hope that it is so that all the people who are like, actually, it's not that. And then they don't know what's going on and they feel silly. You know, yeah, that's the other thing about this whole thing. I understand. Believe me. I understand being a book purist.

22:20 I'm a Harry Potter fan. I mean, I understand. Come on. Being a book. Purist, but we're old now. We know that that does not exist in adaptation. It's a different thing spinning of the wheel, right? Because I mean, some things that just won't translate well on screen. There's so much more descriptive stuff that she does in the books that it would take forever for them to do it on the show. What I like a regular old season of 22 episodes a season like they used to do on network TV. Absolutely. You could put everything in there, but it's not gonna happen. Just like the start of this episode takes place almost a year from when Claire was shot because the Battle of Mama took place in June 1778.

23:20 When we start this episode or when they're in Savannah, it's 1779. And it's very clear from the fact that William is going out to the terrace to talk to Lady Grey, which we'll get into. It's summer. It's either spring or summertime. You know, Rachel is very fully pregnant. Yeah. For them to have a house. Bill yeah. So yeah, I just think they're, they're giving us something to speculate on and the, and the kind of chew, you know, chew around a little bit and see whether or not we're going to swallow it or spit it out.

24:01 And we just, we're just waiting to see because this this season is a 10 episode season, They do have some time to play around with this. I don't want them to play around with it too much. No, but I'm, I'm noticing, especially with this first episode, because I've read the books and because I know some of the things that I think are coming. There's certain things that if you paid attention in the episodes, they focused on a lot in this episode. So that kind of makes me feel like, OK, they're about to get into, they're about to get into some stuff. And I have a feeling it's going to be the first few episodes. So we may get that answer sooner than than we realize. But again, I I don't think it's Faith Fraser. I just.

24:49 Don't. I just don't see the purpose and being that cruel to Jamie and Clay, especially with everything they have gone through. Why would you add this one thing to the and I think it again, it's to to open that back up so we can revisit again that she has other people out there, I believe yeah. But when you talk about the book and having issues that, and I know I just said spinning the wheel because it's another the term, but we do have to think of it like we have. I do believe there's different versions of me, a different timeline.

25:32 So we had to think this is just a different timeline then the book timeline. Yeah, 'cause there was a decision made that spiraled off to something else. Yeah. I mean, it happens with all time travel. Yeah, why wouldn't it happen with this? Right, that's what I'm saying. So the book was written on the perspective of what happened to Claire One, but we're watching Claire Five. OK girl, I mean. It's what I'm talking. About. So we have to think about it that way. Like it's not going to be directly the same. Yes, because there's different nuances that you can't do from the book in in in the show and those books, which I'm still trying to get through.

26:18 We'll be on season 30. If you were trying to include everything and still keep your audience, that's kind of hard. So you got to pick and choose. You got to tie things together that sometimes don't fit, but you got to because you can't hire 500 different people. No, no. And we have to be, we have to be OK with it. At least this is what we got. We got actors and actresses that actually match the book. Yeah, for the most part, OK, for the most. Part even if we got the scenery look. At they they have the person. They fit it the essence, right? They fit the essence.

27:01 The scenery can't get any better. People can't get any better. Yeah. Essence. Right? The essence. What made you fall in love with the books? Falling in love with the show. Yeah. It's just that in the show, Mr. Brown was for several episodes, but in the book he may only been for two chapters. I don't know. But the other thing too is when you are creating a show based on worse, and this is something, this is a conversation we have all the time because a lot of the stuff that we like to read has been adapted, some of it for better, some of it for worse. I have been talking an awful lot about Shadowhunters and the Mortal Instruments in the last three months.

27:44 But a lot of times the showrunners, they're looking for new audiences. They're they're not looking for the old audience. Because let's again, let's face it, if Outlander had never had a show, those book fans are still going to be book fans. The book fans are die hard book fans. They are going to be loyal to that story no matter what. They could have never done an Outlander show and the book fans would still be the book fans. They would still be massive. They would still be loyal. The show just puts a face to the story and it's to draw other people in. Let's be honest, a lot of people don't read nowadays. They don't have the time.

28:32 Everybody is busy trying to survive. So there are some people who don't read or who don't have the time to read or who don't have the luxury to read. The TV show is for them, and there are some things that happened in the book that I'm going to admit I had to skim through and go back and read because I got bored in some parts. That's 1200 pages. You won't lose interest. Every once in a while, you're going to lose your focus. I mean, that's why I didn't finish reading. I'm I'm probably like on five. I don't even remember at this point, but and I don't want to start from the beginning to catch up. So that's why I never. But and and that's not to say the books are boring, but there's a lot of people, especially when you got other stuff going on, a lot of people are not going to be able to stay that focused for that long, you know, so you have to find other ways to bring people into the story. One of one of our friends, she is listening to the audiobooks now with Kristen Atherton narrating. That's the person who that's the actress who came in season 7 as the new Jenny.

29:41 She's reading. She redid the Outlander audiobooks and our friend said she she's, she was like, I love to being a Porter. I love her, she said. But listening to Kristen's voice and her version of the books, like she's already up to Fiery Cross. OK, I I don't even I'm like, when did you get time to do this? She was like, girl, I've been trudging along and that got her interested in going back and trying to watch the show again because she never got past the first season of the show. It was hard, that person. It was hard, but now? She's catching up, and it's been interesting watching, you know, watching it from her perspective because she's like, OK, yeah, I can separate the two.

30:29 Yeah, they did this differently. This. I like this better in the show than I like in the book, and I like this better in the book than the show. Like Claire, she's kind of sort of OK with her in the books now. She can't stand show Claire, but she's like, I'm a watch show Claire because of Jamie and because of of of what she does. She was like, but she get on my nerves, especially season 1 Claire. I think the rest of the seasons there, she's starting to wear her down. But you have to find different ways to appeal to the audiences. And if this is the way that they're going to appeal to people who are ignorant about the story. There are people who watch the show who don't know the story.

31:10 They don't care about what y'all said about faith. They're just like, oh, we, we're going to see what the what happens. I mean, think about it. We are a, we are a people who indulge in fantasy and sci-fi and time travel all the time. You mean to tell me they can't figure some kind of way to, to come out of this? I'm going to keep my mind open. I'm not going to say I hate it. I I did kind of it, it, it grated on me watching this episode because there was just it, it was so sudden when it came in like you, you start the episode and we're immediately interrogating this man and he starts saying all of this stuff about the captain and how he slit his throat and how, you know, he had two girls and one of the girls was too young.

32:01 But the other one, he was like, I don't think she has seen a cock before. I stuck minding her. I was like, Oh my God, he's talking about Jane. It's like Claire needs to do. And you could see Claire over there bubbling. And then the moment he starts talking about the wife, he was like, yeah, the wife had issues with me touching her daughter. So I I threw her arm. You, you did what it, it was So it was, it was so much for the beginning of the episode. And then, of course, after he said that, you hear him, you hear his voice in Claire's mind, because as he's talking, she's replaying certain phrases he's saying in his head. And you can, you can see her getting more and more mad. And I was like, she about to punch him. No, Claire.

32:47 Claire was like, fuck the Hippocratic Oath. I'm gonna shake you, and I'm gonna shake you in a way that I know you're gonna die. You're gonna die. She knows exactly what to do. She. Did. So that was a lot to start the episode off with. And then of course, you know, they having their conversation about she was alive this whole time. So I was just like, I can't because I don't again, I don't believe that is Faith. But to watch them go through those emotions, especially Claire, like Claire sang to that dead baby, and for her to feel like that child is now alive or was alive and she lost her all over again, I just don't see the point in the writers doing that.

33:31 So it's got to be something else going on. Got. To yeah, it definitely is. So yeah, I understood that it it started off, it started off rocky. It was. It was rough. Yeah, it. Was, I guess I was like, oh, we got, we got murderous Claire. Well, that's fine. Yeah, 'cause it's funny you say that about the Hippocratic Oath because she has treated some people who deserve to die. Remember the guy who tried to kill her and she said we tried to save him? Yeah. So she. Had definitely changed. That was early in my career, not during my retirement age. That changes.

34:13 I I guess at this point too, she live in. Yeah, I I've been through it all so. Been arrested and almost hang for merch she's like I am been gang raped she's been and then to now hear that her daughter might have been alive and this man just callously threw her overboard so that he could rape her grandchild her probable get grandchild yeah I I would say because Jamie didn't even say nothing he was like oh this what we doing OK he killed the other guy he just looked at her I was like I assessing that we got to go didn't say nothing because I mean this is Jamie we talking about this is the man who calmly sat in was in Browns bedroom and was like yeah I'm only nice because of my wife and my wife ain't here right now you tried to take her from me.

35:00 Jamie was like, look, I'm gonna let her have her vengeance. I'm gonna let her do because he didn't say nothing to her. He understood it. I mean, there's only so many things you can do. There's only so much a person can take before they snap. And then you're standing here behind this man. Listen, listening to how he callously killed your possible son-in-law, raped one of your granddaughters and said he was going to save the other one because she was so young that even the smallest man would have broke her. I was like I said, oh, she let me tell you, this episode alone, Claire has shown some good restraints. Because between this dude and the old bitch that shows up later, I was like Claire.

35:54 Yeah, Claire, I mean, and you know, it's crazy. Like I don't get triggered like a ton of stuff. Like I've had my things that's happened to me in real life, but I don't get triggered by a lot of stuff. But him talking about them children and all the stuff that's going on right now in our real world, the anger and the disgust that I was feeling thinking about that because that we used to say stuff like, oh, that was back in the 1700s. Oh, that was back in the day. But no, it's still happening. It is still happening. And it's so that I was watching that and I was just disgusted. And that's. Why? I said it was a lot hatred. And I was just like. Oh, this is. I hate this and then when she got the stab and I was like thank. You, yeah.

36:38 Thank you. But you know what she she did do, though, he said. I really need you not to be spoken to, not to speak it less spoken to. And guess what? She was quiet. She was. She didn't say not a word. Not a word, Not a word. But, you know, actions. Speak louder. Yeah, it does. She need to talk And I. And she said something that I always say, and I feel guilty because, you know, we're, we're kind of led to believe that torturing people is, is wrong and very unethical. But when she said I should have let him suffer a little longer, I'm like, yes, why do people just kill folks and not let them drag? Drag it out? Let the suffering happen for a while. Especially when you've caused suffering to somebody else in that way.

37:23 I mean, if you think about it, Jane at that time was probably somewhere between 9:00 and 12:00. Yeah, because what color was like what, 5? Yeah, or something. So if you think about that, yeah, it again, it was a lot and and granted, we didn't have to see the violence. Thank God. We heard it and I I'm so sorry. I'm with Claire on this one. Yes, yes, yes. And if they start doing that now to people, maybe this will stop, you know what I'm saying? Because like. The whole other conversation. Yeah. But I mean, you, you see it happening in other countries. Where was it?

38:07 I saw one country. I can't remember because I've, I've literally been kind of tuning out the news, but there's a country, some country, Asia, I want to say Korea, China, one of those two where they executed 3 people in the street for child molestation. Yep, Yep, I do. I think I remember that. You're like, oh, we're we're going to show y'all that this is not acceptable. OK, that best. In jail, they have a, they have a crime. Not hierarchy, but they're certain they do. You just don't do. And that's one of them You just don't do. So like it, it blows my mind and so watching, watching this stuff that that was hard, 'cause I just, that poor baby and her sister kept her protected all that time, you know, 'cause Oh my God. Because it will even the way that he even the way he talked about Jane after that he was like, Oh yeah, that investment is probably still paying its, you know, that I was like, oh, somebody I like Jamie had good self-control. He.

39:16 Did. He had good self-control because and, and again, this had, I think this has to do with him being a military man. Yeah, he knows. He notch, he, he, he can keep it down a notch because he's trying to get the information. But, you know, we had to, you know, that had to make him sick to sit there and have to pretend like, oh, yeah. Well, whiskey is not the only business I'm I'm into. I'm looking to expand. Where did you get the girls? You know, his skin probably crawled having to having to say those words. Yeah. And the thing about Jamie, he's definitely grown. Yeah, a few seasons ago he was looking at Brianna Strange when she got, you know, attacked.

39:59 And so he has definitely grown and starting to understand stuff in a different from a different lens versus being a man from 1700s. And I, I think that that really has shown like that he's like, you know what? You know we going to do what we going to do. Let's go And then he didn't even like he didn't say nothing clear I. Was like assassin that we got to go. No, he just killed the other guy and was like OK, time to go. Got to go right, just throw him in he probably didn't even recover the bodies probably didn't do anything. He was just like, OK, they. Ain't deserve no recovery. Look, look, they are probably criminals anyway. Ain't nobody going to ask. They're probably going to be like, oh, they probably give somebody over. Yep.

40:40 Right. Plus, if that miss, if that misses Abbott, who ran the brothel, knows what kind of man he is. Chances are whoever finds him, they're going to know what kind of man he is too. And they're going to be like, oh, he brought this on himself. So, but OK, we're going to get away from this faith speculation now 'cause I, I think we're all in agreement, the three of us, that this is not Jamie and Claire's faith. And we're just going, we're just going to see how the story plays out. We're gonna see we don't have to necessarily like it. We don't have to be comfortable with it. But I'm curious enough to say, OK, where are they going with this? Yeah, you know, but morning after they wake up and they're having their conversation and we hear children behind the door now. Wait wait wait wait wait wait what? And then OK, before then we have our beginning credits, which y'all know I am notorious for skip. Like I hear that I'll listen to how the song is being. That's every show though, And this time I, I was about to, I said no because I'm going to get me some good hints, so let me watch this.

41:55 Oh, the opening credits. Yeah, the opening credits. So I was like, oh, I'm so excited. Oh, 'cause you know, it starts off with I'm your true home of your heart. That's the last thing they were talking about before we got the opening credits. And the next thing I saw the Fergus sign and I was like, Oh yes, I'm so excited. I'm so. Glad they're back. I mean I knew they were coming back because I saw the post when they were on set but still it was like it made my. Heart so indeed, when I saw the sounds like oh, oh, and I was thinking, oh, we go get this this season. I'm so excited for this season, all these kids, but it was the next the the next scene.

42:35 I was like, I love it. I know, I love it. I'm so glad we have them. And then it's so funny because Fergus has taken up printing, so he's doing a good job. I like how Jamie was sitting there. He he's looking at Fergus like, this is my child. Let me go knocking on some, some walls. What's going on? And Fergus just sitting there looking at him, like, what you doing? And when he finds the seditious papers, he was like, you know, the British don't don't take Kylie to sedition. Oh, pot, kettle. Hello. Yeah. He's like, bro, I do, I'm doing what you taught me to do. And and and wasn't disrespectful about it at all. He was just like, I'm just doing what you taught me to do. And he was like, yeah, but you have a family. So did you?

43:24 Well, my family wasn't that Edinburgh at the time. You still had a family and was there. Do you see what? You see how that happened? You know how that worked out for him? He was in the print shop when he went, went up in flames. But yeah, I, I love seeing them together. We didn't get enough of them because, of course, then Jamie and Claire are on their way back to the Ridge. But the interesting thing about Fergus and Marsley and their family, so they are in Savannah in the show. In the show, they were in Wilmington. So there was a lot more back and forth because I think there was several trips where Jamie went from the Ridge to Savannah to Wilmington back to Savannah. So I think they're cutting a lot of that out and they're kind of condensing it again.

44:12 They only have 1010 episodes this season. Go tell the bees that I Am Gone, which is the 9th book that they are basing most of this series, most of this season on. It's a lot. It's it's a lot. So I think they're condensing some stuff. So moving them to Savannah. I like it because that means they're closer to Jamie and Claire, I think. And then, yeah, I just, I was so happy to see them and to see all the kids and to see them kind of getting along together and having fun. And I'm just looking at it like, we don't have enough of them in this episode.

44:54 It's only 10. No, we, yeah, it was really quick, but I I understood they were just trying to say this is what they're doing. Yeah, yeah. This is their life, better be a lot more. Yeah, yeah. But I, I like it because again, this is them coming back to the Ridge, which again, is kind of weird because you went from Philadelphia all the way to Savannah and then you're going to North Carolina. It's like you're doing this. But I guess you wanted to go see Ferguson and Marsley first, And why they're not in Wilmington, I don't know. But we got to see a lot of old faces in this episode. We got to see Marsley and and Ferguson, the kids. We got to see Lizzie and her, well, technically not new baby 'cause she had the baby.

45:45 She was pregnant when Jamie and Claire left the Ridge. But I think the best thing for me was the hello the house. Hello. The house? Yes. 'Cause we knew they were coming back. We knew Rodger and Brianna and the kids were coming back. We knew it. But it's still, I don't know, it's kind of like to have them all in one episode together. Granted, it would have been great for Ferguson, Marsley and Brianna and Rodger and all of them to have been together in that way. But just the fact that we got to see them all and Claire and Jamie is like, for them to go through what they went through, thinking that Faith was a lot, was alive and then killed, and then to actually reunite with Brianna and Rodger and the kids, that just felt so good to me. Like we needed that.

46:47 And I hate to say it, I have a feeling we're we're going to need that because I, I do know that there are some dark things coming in this season. But of course, but of course I wasn't sure what they were going to do with this season. But some of the things that they introduced in this episode. And again, there are certain clues that as a book reader, you know, OK, some shit's about to happen. I was just like, OK, I'm going to take all the, I'm going to take all the feel goods I can get, but we going to go to another one of Michelle's notes and Michelle's screen name because. Well, the reunion, we get to the reunion of the family because you know, when we saw the preview and we saw her turn and be like, I really didn't even think who that was. You know, I didn't think it was Brianna and Rodger. I don't know why.

47:40 I thought it was like a surprise guest or something. We gonna be like, man, that's from like five seasons ago or something. No, I, I wouldn't. But then it would probably be them. Or it was going to be. I felt like it might be William. And see, that's what I thought. Or like a surprise guest. But as soon as she, as soon as she I saw the look, I didn't realize who it was because the last thing we saw them was we're going home. And we knew which home that meant home with the family. Yeah. Back in the day, but. Here's my question. Where is Buck? I want my Buck. Well, I mean, I know what I know what. I know what happens to him in the books.

48:20 I know what he does in the books. Was he? From what time was he? I can't remember what time he was from. He was from the 17th. He was from a few years before that. Before where they are now. OK, he. Disappeared in oh, matter of fact, the the year before that. He disappeared in 1778, OK. Well, he hanging out with mom and dad. At Craig and Dune. I want Buck to be in this timeline with them because I loved that that bromance that he and Rodger had. Like I really loved what they did with those two characters and how they kind of built that bond. And I'm, I'm kind of sad now because I feel like Rodger needs someone that's, even though that's technically his like great, great, great, great, great grandfather, he's closer to his age than Jamie is.

49:15 And I feel like Rodger needs that sometimes. He needs someone that's, that's closer to his age that he can, you know, that he can confide in and that he can, you know, have around. And I'm, I'm a little sad that Buck's not there. And Buck knew he can't keep traveling to his heart condition, which is why he needed to just make that one last trip and just be known with it. He could have. What is he gonna do in the 1930s? He is out of place. I guess he'll adapt. And I guess he'll just watch his mom and his daddy from afar. Cause yeah, but I wanted him back. I was hoping that would be a change that they would make from the books, so I'm a little sad about that.

49:59 But we do get the kids. Claire and Jamie finally get to meet Mandy, which is great. And. Jimmy is huge. That kid has grown so much. Yes. Jamie was like Jeremiah, you got so tall. Oh. Yeah, you can be all of us. He's almost high teenager now, right? Right. But OK, let's let's let's talk about, let's talk about. Brianna, because here we go, Here we go. OK, so we. Had a note from Bri. Bri. First you got a you got a Raggedy Andy doll, A Raggedy and doll.

50:40 So we have to go back in the day when she was making things too. So we gonna, you know, I'm OK with her bringing. I'm over. I'm really OK with her bringing her Mama book because you know her mom. Claire did the same thing when she came back. You know, I'm saying she made that outfit with all the pockets. She had medicine. I understand that because Claire, guess what will hide it if Claire has to, she would eat the pages so nobody will know where that book came from. But no, your daughter does this instead of creating a book, you know the book. So you could create some books for your child when you get to the past, but instead you bring the most colorful book of all and popular Goodnight Moon. I said, you know what?

51:29 I had this pause and write Goodnight Moon on the piece of paper that damn Brianna bringing all this shit again. Why they they brought that book? Because in the book it was 1 fish, 2 fish, red fish, blue fish that. Was That's even worse in the book. Gotta bring a Doctor Seuss book. Oh my goodness. Oh. She brought and then she brought. Lord of the Doggone rings so. It's I know I love that though. Sis, they have to hide this stuff from regular people. Right, they too. We're in the theater cracking up when when we saw The Lord of the Rings. Because of course, if you read the books, you know she brings these things. And even even when I read the book, I was like, Lord, was the was the matches not enough of a a of a?

52:16 The airplane you know, you know. But it's it's the airplane that could that could be a figment of your imagination. The fact that you created matches and those matches were what burned down your parents house. Correct? Can y'all please stop trying to incorporate the future into the past? Why would you bring those books? Bring a roll of toilet tissue if you're going to bring something. Some more penicillin. I'm I'm just. Saying something useful, and granted that's the Merc manual is great, but it was so funny because Jamie opened it up and he read a passage. He was like, so you mean to tell me in your time, the most that they've learned from their medical training is not to put shit in your mouth? But which is funny because what he doesn't understand is they was dying from from shit in their mouth that they didn't realize was in their mouth.

53:10 And so that's what's funny about him is just like he takes everything super literal and doesn't you know, he just like this is ridiculous. This is stupid. I'm like. Bro, that's the kind of thing that happens when you don't have toilet tissue. You should have bought some toilet tissue, some bottled waters or something, I don't know. No, I wouldn't have been bottled because what? They were in, what, the 80s? When they were back? Were they in the 80s? Yeah, OK. But still, you don't want to bring plastic to the 1700s. Right now that it wouldn't have probably been you. Think he was going to a witch trial back in the early 1700s? You definitely would then, 'cause they'll be looking like, what the hell is this? But then the interesting book comes out. Rihanna has brought another book with her to the past and she gives it to Claire.

53:57 And Claire looks at it and the title of the book is Soul of a Rebel and what was it, the Scott, the Scottish The Scottish Participation in the American Revolution or The Scottish Contribution to the American Revolution? Written by 1. Franklin W, Randall P Just. How about I didn't remember that she never told him that Blackjack and Frank looked the way? Why would she they? They were. I didn't remember that. It was. I didn't either. And I thought, I thought. You would. I just knew. No, I. Thought you would, Mitch, that pillow talk. No, no.

54:41 Because why would you? Why would you tell the man that you love, the man that you stayed behind to, to stay with the man whose child you bore, the man who you left and came back to and all this other stuff? Why would you tell him that the person you are going to the future to see, the person that is going to be raising your child, is the very replica of the man who tortured and raped him there? There will be no reason for her to tell him that it's not. No, but you can say that there's similar. You could because she even says she even said it. Like, I didn't even think that because I knew he was like, in the beginning, it was like, oh, they, they look close. But because Frank is so different, he looks different to me.

55:29 But she could have that's a pillow tie right there. Like, you know, 'cause you say they related, you know, we can't and they do look similar like that. Never. Why? Would you have? Pillow Well, you should have said it before he got the book cover. OK, just should have said it before he got the book cover. But she, but she. Didn't she Didn't know? But thinking about Jamie though, I feel like too one of the reasons she also didn't tell Jamie back in the day, because Jamie was still super naive and immature and I think a lot of stuff she wouldn't tell Jamie just because of that. I just never thought about the fact that they never discussed that. Like you literally are looking at your husband's face every time you see this man. You know, this man did this horrible stuff to your the man you other man you in love with, and he did horrible stuff with you and he was going to do more horrible stuff if he has that kept living right. And then it's like, but he was just like, yo, man, I don't know.

56:18 I just, I don't know. At some point I just probably would have mentioned that I don't know that I would necessarily have sat in in a bed. Yeah. And I. And I, it was different. It would have been different if it was the other way around. Like I know Claire told Frank about what Jamie looked like, but she kind of would have had to because her daughter ends up looking just like him. So it's kind of like you kind of got to give the man at least a warning. OK, This is, this is what's about to happen. I'm, I'm pregnant with this child, with this man, so you might be seeing a little bit of him. And, you know, the other things that Brianna says, like, you couldn't look at me without seeing him. Like, yes, it was very much true for Claire because that was a reminder for her of what she left behind for Jamie, for her to say.

57:10 Oh, yeah. By the way, Frank is the spitting image of Frank Randall. Can you imagine Jamie having that in his head, that at one point Claire was actually married to and in love with someone that looked like the person who tortured him? I I don't think that would be something like Jamie is a strong person, but I think that would be too much for him. And I do agree that would be too much for him, but I'm still going for the fact that what she said, I don't even think she even realized that there are twins pretty much. That's because it's not like in in the books, they're not. They actually they don't.

57:53 They don't even look. That much alike. Yeah, because. And the reason. And they probably do, but for her, I get it. Like the way he looks, it's not going to be the same. Yeah, because let's let's be. They resemble the. You can tell that they're relatives. Like for her, she's like, oh, I know they're relatives. And at first, almost thought it was Frank, but like, the mannerism, how he treats people is like, it's so different. I didn't even think about it. So she may have been like, I just didn't think they looked like that. Yeah, yeah. And then for Jamie, like. His mind, it has been years in his mind for the yeah, he does.

58:34 He does. So any he he sees it. Oh, I'm on that scene now. And he's like, well, they'll, that's who I have. Sometimes I have dreams about, not in a good way, but you know what I'm saying? Sometimes that comes out and he still sees them. But that's not what she sees. She walked up behind him and put her hands on his shoulders. Right when he heard Frank's voice in this. I was like, hold up, we're not going to do this scene ghost shit again. Like we, we y'all lying around us. Out. Yeah. So yeah. So like for her, she's like, no, like that Frank. My Frank is a different Frank. I see the Frank as the father who's caring. Like she don't see. Yeah, they are so much alike.

59:18 Even though we give Frank a hard time and. We I do I do I, but I. Didn't I didn't dislike Frank. I just, I was so into the hot, you know, sexy, you know. Yeah, but I had to throw Frank to the curb. Yeah. I don't like Frank 'cause I know. Book Frank. I know and I don't know book Frank. I know misunderstood Frank. Book Frank is much though. He just misunderstood. Even if I read he just misunderstood. You gotta understand his life has gone a different direction. Book Frank was a hoe he. Had to be his wife, don't want him.

1:00:00 That's not fair, but I think it's not fair. He wasn't been no whole declare tried with him. You can't try like that. He was trying to sleep with me. We already said this before. He already know when he slept with Claire after Jamie. There's it's a difference. He slept with Claire before. It'd be different if this was his first time sleeping with Claire was after Jamie, but he slept with her beforehand so he knows when she's connected to someone. She slept with them after, and she could pretend all she want to. Yeah, OK. But it wasn't coming out right. So you know what that man was like.

1:00:41 I ain't even fooling with her. I ain't fooling with her. But I'm going to. I'm going to stay here. I'll. Take care of this baby. Take care of this child that ain't even mine. But you know what? A man that you be. She probably called Jamie name out in her sleep a few times. You don't know. I mean, she was sitting in the bed, pleasuring herself right next to him. So in the book. No in the. Show OK, 'cause if she also did that in the book and you wondering why he a hoe? We gotta, we gotta, we gotta think about some things, you know, I don't. I don't remember that far back because it's been a while since I read those earlier books. But even in the show, it's it's one of those things, those things where I feel like Frank could have given her more time because, I mean, this is a woman who not only, yeah, she fell in love with another man.

1:01:36 That's something that you got to deal with. This woman was in a whole different time period. This woman went through wars, she went through assaults. She went through losing a child. If he had been a little more patient with her instead of forcing the issue, like, you really gonna see him get upset because she has her eyes closed during sex? Really. Like you could have just gave her a little bit, yeah, but could have worked out a little bit better for you. You could have been a little bit more happy. Right. But we can say the same thing. We can say the same thing with her too. You have to. Yeah, we can say the same thing.

1:02:19 But she but at least she she tried. She. Tried and he and the sad part is he did try too and it just didn't work out and. Like in the show too, you could tell that they had kind of kind of was even before she would be hot back, you know, back in time that you could tell that even though they were in love, they were they have been away from each other for so long because of the war that they had already been kind of pulled apart so. So Frank is like 12 years older than her if I'm not mistaken, so that could have been a thing too. I mean, yeah, that's that's a whole. That's a whole. You see what I'm saying? This would cause no matter. It's just a tragedy because she can't be with who she want to be with.

1:03:04 And she only went back to protect her child. And then he can't have who he had in The Who he fell in love with. Yeah. He with someone who would never love him. Yeah. And if she did love him, it's just a peace and not the love that you everyone wants to get from someone. Yeah, yeah, it's understood now. I don't know the stuff he doing with these books and and all the things he does on the side, but you know, so. So let's talk about curious. He he got curious. That's all I can say. He got curious. Let's talk about this book because again, this is a book Claire had no knowledge of because this was published after she and Brianna left the first time or the second, one of them times after Claire went back, this was published afterwards, so probably sometime in the 70s or in the 80s.

1:04:04 It was published posthumously for Frank. So she had no clue about this book. And Jamie is is reading it because of course it's talking about the Scottish culture in the North Carolinas, just talking about how the Scott, how the Scottish contributed to the American Revolution. So it's it's really speaking to him, which of course strikes everyone weird because they're like, did Frank at that point, you got to say, did Frank know something? Because, yeah, Frank was a historian. He did his research. But for him to do research that is so specific and so close to what Claire experienced you, you had to kind of figure like, OK, something is going on with this. Like he's doing this for a reason. And then when they're having the conversation and he asked her about Frank, he was like, why didn't you ever tell me that Frank and Blackjack Randall looked alike? It's just like, you know, I never thought about it because like you said, Michelle, he they were two different people. You know, like I said, we rag on Frank all we want, but Frank really was for the most part, a kind person until you piss them off, right?

1:05:19 Right. Blackjack Randall just had he had evil coming out of his ears, except for when it came to his brother. It's it's like they were exact opposites. You know what I'm saying? But then he asked her. He says, can Frank be trusted? Can I trust him? And Claire is looking like that's a weird question to ask. Like Frank is dead and 200 years in the future. Dad, what are you talking about? And Jamie is like, I've been reading his book, and so far, he's mentioned the name James Fraser 14 times.

1:06:00 Claire's like, excuse me, what do you mean? Like, what is he saying? And he drops the bomb on her, which is crazy because early in the episode, he was talking about, oh, I don't care what the war does, I'm done with it. I was like, OK, famous last words, Jamie Fraser. What does the book say? The book says that war will come to the Backcountry in a year's time and that James Fraser dies in it. I know Claire was like how many lives is this 123? Right, 'cause we have died in the fire already before. He's died in the fire. He died on a boat. He technically should have died from a snake. From a snake bite.

1:06:44 He should have died at colliding. He like at this point, how many lives does Jamie Fraser have left? Because you know. Messing up the timeline. Jamie is jacking the timeline. He he should have been dead a long time ago. Claire keeps saying and and using her modern medicine when he should have died from something else. And you know, yeah. Listen, I'm. I'm just. But yeah, OK, so that's the big bombshell. Frank says that Jamie's gonna die in about a year's time. So I'm like, I remember reading that in the book. And I was just like, if you kill Jamie, if you kill him, I'm gonna be so mad.

1:07:29 I will be so mad. But it's like we already see things are different on the Ridge. When they come back, they come back in, in and the, the people on the Ridge, they rebuilt Claire and Jamie a new house, really nice house. They have a trading post now by the by the meetinghouse and they've got all this kind of stuff going on. And we, we have Hiram Crombie, who I was like, what was the last time that we saw him? Was that like, I guess it was season 7 but he was one of the Fisher folk I think. Or he might have been one of the ARS mirror man. I don't remember at this point, but. He called him Mcdoo, didn't he?

1:08:20 No, that was Evan Lindsay. Oh, Evan Yeah. Called him Mcdoo. Yeah, he, he's one of the ARS Mirror man. So yeah, I think Howard probably was one of Tom Christie's people, one of the Fisher folk. Oh yeah. But yeah, that that was something else. That was kind of condensed because the whole thing with Amy McCallum being Amy Lindsay, now we kind of see that relationship take its course in the books. So here it's like, oh, they got married while Claire and Jamie were gone. OK cool so you have them with this little trading post and it looks cool. It's very weird because Jamie and Claire are like OK y'all did a lot while we were gone like. Like a lot.

1:09:04 Y'all built a store, y'all got whole mansion, whole bunch of stuff going on, which is cool. But then you get this new dude who comes in and he seems very charming at 1st. And it's so funny because when when he introduces himself Charles Cunningham and he talks to Jamie and he's getting ready to leave and Jamie was like, Oh well, I'll walk out with you. Him and Claire exchanged a look. Like, I ain't too sure about this dude. And I think Jamie already at that point probably suspected him of being a British soldier because I know Jamie was probably going through that mental rolodex in his mind. Like, I don't remember any Captain Cunningham's on the rebellion side.

1:09:50 So then they, they're having that conversation. He was like, yeah, after, after 30 years of serving in His Majesty's Army, Jamie Stoppen was like, so a year ago we would have been on the battlefield against each other. That dude was like, look, I don't like war any more than anybody else does. I'm I'm glad to be done with it. I'm retired. I'm, I'm through. Jamie was like, yeah, we gonna have to keep an eye on him. I was just like, OK. And then his mother shows up.

1:10:30 Listen. Honey. Listen, I have never wanted Claire to punch somebody so much in my life, not even Lionel Brown. How dare you come up to the house? You don't even know the people who are who are there, who are living there. You come to speak to Mandy. It's like, where's your father? You start just being nasty. To her nasty talking about. Nancy talking about just and yeah, slaughter. I was like, wait a second, listen, hold on a second, I. Wanted Jamie and or Claire at this point I wouldn't care less. You know what, Jamie?

1:11:14 If you need to slap a woman for putting her hands on your grandchild, by all means slap her 'cause. How you going to be mad about a child being rude when you came up here? Nasty as you want to be, just being natural. Hands on a child you don't know. And don't even know this baby that would have. Been like eviction notice. Right, take your Mama and her witchy ass on somewhere that made me saying. Wicky, Wicky, listen. And Mandy had it right because again, as soon as she came on the screen, all I saw was the black bonnet. I was in the theater and I just looked at this guy. I said this bitch here, my friend who was sitting next to me, she just started laughing.

1:12:02 She said, oh, I take it you are well acquainted with this woman. I was like, girl, you have no idea. I'll see. And that's another thing when when the new characters came, all in my mind, I was thinking, OK, I have to ask Hanukkah on the side. Nina, I need to know what happened in the book. Is this somebody that I'm gonna have to have a issue with? And now you tell me I am. She's going to be irritating. She's going to be irritating because. Going to hell. She's she one of those religious folks. And then again, like, like her son said, her son fought on the British side.

1:12:45 They know that Jamie is a rebel. And if Frank is talking about wars coming to the Backcountry, that means that at some point they're going to be on opposite sides again. But yeah, she, she's one of those characters. Like, she can be a nasty piece of work, but then she'll do something like drop off some cincona bark and just turn around and walk off. And it's like, huh. Because she she really does give mixed signals. Like she's nasty. And then she'll do something nice here, and then she's really nasty and she'll do something kind of sort of nice there. Or she's one of those mixed bags. But it's kind of like, I don't know, because I was going to compare her to Medina Bug and say she's like Medina Bug on steroids.

1:13:32 But but Missus Bug was actually a sweet old lady. She was only nasty to people that she didn't like and that, you know, threaten, threaten around the phrases. She was like, OK, whatever. I don't like you. No, this this woman here is, I don't know. It's like she wakes up with a lump of coal in her socks every morning. She, I don't know, she's nasty, but you can just tell it even from her brief introduction on the screen. Like, I'm not gonna like this bitch. I'm not gonna like her. So, yeah. But yeah, I, I really wanted somebody to hit her. I at this point, I would have been OK with Mandy getting her. I was going to say it could. Have been Mandy and she would have desired.

1:14:14 Mandy, all I got all, all I'm going to say is that she gets lucky. Brianna wasn't there because Brianna would have hauled off and hit her and she Lucky Claire and a black Mama because it would have been all over. It would have been all over. You come up on my property. My property my and. Talking nasty to my granddaughter, Who you, you don't even know. You just like, where's your father? You. As far as you know, I don't even exist. Nobody, even nobody on the Ridge even knows I'm back. They don't even know who I am because I was still a baby when Brianna left with me. So nobody really knows who she is.

1:14:55 You come up, you get nasty with her and then you slap her and then you got the nerve to mouth off to her grandmother, her bitch. Please. When I say yeah, I was ready. I was like, OK, I was like, Brianna, where you at? I know you hiding around the corner somewhere. No, because her child with her parents and she trusts her parents. But I'm sorry, I think Claire and Jamie are getting them. Well, I don't know if I want to say Claire's getting a little too nice considering she shanked somebody in the beginning of the episode, but. You could have done a lot of her harm was done for the episode. I I guess, but that slap would not that that would have been a love tap.

1:15:38 She would have been all right, she would have been alright. Because I get, I guarantee you. She slapped Mandy hard. Let me tell you, I was ready to fight. I was ready to fight. Oh my God, I was ready to fight. Like, why are you in my face, old lady? Just stand over there and just wait. Maybe I'll go get a grown person. But that's not how you came. You ain't come right, ma'am. Yeah, she she going to be a character this season. I can, I can tell you now. But we'll get into a little more detail about her couple of episodes on.

1:16:19 But let's step away from the Ridge 'cause we we got to talk about my boy William, my PO baby. He does not handle grief and and and trauma and and disappointment well. Also he he got back about my Lord John Gray because I do not like how he treats his daddy and. But you know what? No. John Gray handled that because he, I think he's been giving William leeway because he's like, OK, this boy just found out that his father is not who he said he was. He is not who he said he was. He had to go find the girl that he was kind of sort of in love with, you know, had committed suicide because he didn't quote UN quote, do what he was supposed to do to protect her.

1:17:06 I think Lord John has just been kind of giving William some grace. But at the end when William was saying all this stuff and he was like, look, I don't care what you decide to call yourself, whether you going to be Ransom Gray or Fraser, you going to go apologize to this girl, right? This girl being right, This girl being Amaranthus Gray, Who is the cousin? I mean, who is the wife of Williams? Cousin Ben, who we have not met in the show, but we have met Ben's father and we have met his brother. He is the son of Lord John's brother Hal, and he is the brother of Henry, the soldier who was injured last season, who was in love with Mercy Wilcock.

1:17:54 So that's Ben is the older brother. So apparently Ben was captured by rebel forces, caught some kind of infection while he was being held prisoner and died. And this young lady who claims to be his wife, shows up on Lord John's doorstep with the baby, you know, claiming that she's destitute because of what happened to her husband. Lord John takes her in. Of course, when we first introduced to all of this, Lord John is dealing with the baby, and British soldiers are bringing a very, very drunk William to the house. And when William looked at the baby, he's the Lord John was like he just he's the baby is teething. And William was like yours, Lord. I was like, surely you just like, excuse me, No, who? Who would I have baby with?

1:18:47 But I forget that William doesn't know about his father. So he, you know, William has to deal with this new baby and finding out that his cousin is dead. And then, you know, he's basically calling the girl a trollop, like, oh, she's an opportunist. She shows up on your doorstep with a baby and claims it's Benz and you don't know and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And in comes the lady in question and she promptly goes off on William. So that's when Laura John was like, look, I don't care what kind of situation you in what he tell. He said he was trying to get William to go to dinner with him at one of the British officers houses. And William was like, I know what you're trying to do. I don't understand why you're trying to get back in the army when you didn't like me being out of it. And Lord John was like self pity and wallowing does not suit you. Like you've been a drunk for a year. I need you to get your shit together and go back to England, right?

1:19:47 Right. And do something. Do something with yourself. Right out in the streets acting a fool. Right. And, and I get it. He's still upset about the whole Jane thing. And then, of course, last season we find out Ezekiel Richardson is a traitor. He's a turncoat. And he also tried to have William kill so well, he has a lot on his plate right now because he's also actively trying to find Ezekiel Richardson. But Lord John was like, look. I understand you upset, I understand you going through an identity crisis, but whatever the fuck you decide to call your name, you going to go apologize to that girl? He was like, because I don't care who you are, what you decide to call yourself, no father would allow you to talk to that woman that way. And I insist you going right yourself. I said, oh, there's the Jamaica governor right there. Because you were raised better.

1:20:42 Pretty much you were raised better. Stern when he wants to be. I was like, oh, I like this. He turns around and walks out. And then you see William cleaned up. He goes to talk to Amaranthus and you know, he's, he's a lot nicer to her. He apologizes to her. They share some nice words about Ben. And I'm just sitting here looking like this is going to be an interesting story. I'm just, that's all I'm going to tell y'all. Our story is interesting. And I don't know how much of the book stuff for her they're going to put in the show. If they do, we going to meet a whole lot more Laura John's family. And it's about to get really, really interesting. I don't trust the trailer.

1:21:27 How? But I was OK. You know what my first thought was? What? Please don't fall for her. I mean, I need him not to get seconds. You already know. That was about to happen. I'm I'm. But I need him to fall in love with someone original who don't have a kid, who ain't in love with someone else. I. Can't even get possible on it. Yeah, like can y'all give him a love of his own? No. Oh man, I knew it. As soon as soon as she came in, I was like, he gonna fall for her. Here we go again. His cousin's chick. Really. That's a allegedly.

1:22:09 That's a complicated story. I I bet it is, but I don't care. I just need him not I just need him to find his his own person. I don't know. The last time he found his own person, it didn't, it didn't work out for him. So I, I don't know, I think, I think William well. He needs to find himself. Yes, that's what I was going to say. I think he needs to mature. And like you said, he he can't, he can't know how to act if he doesn't know who he is. And I do agree with him on that. You know, for, for everything that we say, William has gone through a complete identity up haul in the last year.

1:22:50 He's he's, he's in, in an upheaval. He doesn't know if he's a great, if he's a ransom, if he's a Fraser. Like there's so many things about him that he doesn't know, so many things that I think he's been told about who he was. The now he's questioning even the conversation he had with Jamie last season when he was asking about his mother. And he said, you know, they, I've seen pictures of my mother. They told me she was beautiful and reckless and wild and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And Jamie was like all the people that knew her. They only ever told you bad stuff about her. They didn't tell you the good stuff about her.

1:23:30 So if this is all you've grown up hearing your entire life and the one person who you're kind of sort of mad at for abandoning you is telling you you no, your mother was kind, she was bold, she was curious, she was courageous. How do you take that? Especially if you're somebody who I, if I remember correctly, I think William is supposed to be about 17 ish, technically 1718 somewhere around there. So you're still immature. 1 Two, you just had all this stuff happened to you with your identity, find that you're not who you think you are. Three, you've also had the tragedy and the trauma on top of all of that.

1:24:17 So when do you need to take some time? He need to go touch some grass and just kind of learn who he is. Well, that's the problem I had with him though, because the person you want, the person who's going to probably be the best. Person for you to learn who you are. You treat like shit and you don't talk to him and then you know, because your dad can tell you who you are based on how he raised you, right? Like Lord John. I mean, he could just be like, well, you were like this when I started raising you, blah, blah, blah. But you really need to talk to Jamie because when you was running around as a little kid, Jamie was your homeboy. Like he knows from birth. But you you treat him like he I will never he never asked for that.

1:25:01 He didn't ask for that. But like and like you said, because he's young, he's immature, he's angry, but he's not going to learn who he is until he talks to Jamie because he can't talk to nobody else because his family don't even know. And Laura John and Jamie is the only one that know from that group of people. So who he go? He going to have to talk to Jamie. So I, I hope that I hope that his relationship, what we see of him now with Lord John, it looks like for the most part they have mended their relationship because he was mad at Lord John too. So I'm hoping that means that he will come around, especially now that, you know, you think about Jamie. You're like, OK, Yeah. This is the person who is my father. Yeah.

1:25:43 I don't want to call him dad, But you have genuine affection for your stepmother. And Claire, you have a curious interest in your sister, who you just realized, like, when y'all went to go rescue Jane. Oh, my God. That's my sister. You realize there's more of you out there in the world and the only way he's going to be able to I, I feel like, like you said, get to know who he is. He's going to have to go around these people. But again, this is a, this is also a guy who grew up very privileged, you know, basically silver spoon in the mouth. He's not used to having to really fight for anything.

1:26:27 So you got what, 171819 years of this one big lie and you've only had a year to deal with it so far. Yet it might take him a little bit more time and then you're in the middle of a war in the midst of all of this. You know, now you have your your cousin, your, your dad, cousin's wife and child in your, in your space. So he just, he has a lot of things coming at him at once. And, you know, they don't deal with mental health for young men in the 1700s Just, I mean, they, they barely do it now in the 20 twenties. I was about to say, yeah, really happen now. He really doesn't have a healthy way to express what he's dealing with.

1:27:20 Like you said, Nina, he has nobody to talk to. I think he could probably talk to Ian if he can get over the fact that Ian and Rachel are married. So there's that as well. He is because Jane was his last conquest. So maybe he he's moved on from Rachel because Jane, you. Right. Maybe, but I mean, but he still has that thing because he thought he and Rachel had a real connection, which they did. I even said, like the way that they kind of showed the scenes in the show, I would have thought they were pushing more for Rachel and William together because you saw them bonding more than you saw her in bonding at first.

1:28:05 So but he he got a lot to get to get through and he has no therapist to help him get through it. So we're going to have to give William some grace. But I need him. I'm going to need him to stop going out getting drunk because obviously he can't hold his liquor. I was like, William, if you trying to, if you trying to spy and find out where Richardson is, this, this ain't the way for you to do it, baby, because you're not you're not doing a good job. You're not doing a good. Job not cut out. Not cut out for the drinking games. No, no. And what is brag anyway? Like, how do you play that game? Is that something where you're actually bragging about stuff? Like maybe it's it's it's no wonder, look, it's no wonder he's drunk because he probably doesn't have much to brag about if that's how the game is played. I don't know.

1:29:01 But yeah, I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need women to get it together. And I'm going to be like Michelle. I need him to not fall in love with Amaranthus. I need you to kind of speak by yourself and fix yourself because the last thing you want to do is bring all this baggage to someone who has her own baggage, including a 2 legged baggage that that's under a year old she. Right. Y'all, y'all don't. Those two worlds don't need to collide at this point. They really don't. Honestly with him feeling the way he feel about being a child of, you know, raised by somebody else, you know, right now I want to be a step dad, my brother. I don't know, 'cause I don't, I don't think it's the, it wasn't the fact that he was raised by someone else because he's always known that Lord John wasn't his father. It was just the fact that his identity, like, OK, y'all are telling me that I am the 9th Earl of Ellesmere. And this man even, you know, biologically isn't mine. And he even said something to that effect because he wants to give his title back.

1:30:09 And Lord John was like, no, you can't do that. He was like, you mean I shouldn't know? I mean, you can't. You can't do it. I was like there is no type of law that exists for you to give up a pier and she said that is something given by a rector monarchy and the only way that they can take it away is for you to turn coat. He was like, you mean to tell me in order to deny my inheritance I got to be a traitor? What kind of BS is that? Hey, it is what it is. This is where we live in. Your Mama was married to the 9th to the 8th Earl of Ells Mayor. By law, you are the 9th Earl of Ells Mayor. What are the air do about it?

1:30:51 You are the baby, you are the father. I mean, there's nothing they can do, but I I'm hoping he will take some time. He will think about that last conversation he had with Jamie. Yes. When Jamie, you know, basically told him the good things about his mother and also was like, I don't, I don't regret you. I I, I don't regret. I, I regret that she died. I, I will, you know, I will pay my penance for that, but I don't regret you. Oh, Speaking of which, can, can we talk about everybody taking blame for everything that they don't need to be taking blame for?

1:31:34 Can can we stop doing that, Jamie? Jamie has the Catholic gift, he going to take the blame for everything because he got that Geneva was. Not your fault. She blackmailed you and I I get it. He doesn't want to. He doesn't want to say that. Yeah. You don't have to like the fact that he really believes that it was her fault. I mean, that it was his fault and she died as punishment. Do I need you to get over that? She blackmailed you. She literally was like, you can come sleep in my bed or I can tell everyone that you're red. Jamie, you won't have anything to send back to your family. That's not your fault, Jamie. You know Fanny thinking that Jane died because she killed, she killed the the captain for protecting her. She was like it's my fault.

1:32:27 No, it's the dumbasses fault that was trying to do stuff to you that was his fault. Yeah. William. Yeah. It's that's what I was trying to protect her. I was, I I swore to protect her. What were you supposed to do? You got kidnapped, homeboy. And as I mentioned, she took her own life at that point. Like she didn't even wait to be executed. So what? You couldn't fight her against that? No, because because again, she knew they were they they were going to make an example of her regardless. 26 times? You really think she stuck around to to stab that man 26 times when she had a screaming sister to take care of?

1:33:09 No, I can guarantee you she didn't do that. The British probably came in and finished him off that way so they can pin it on her. But even without that, yeah, you promised you were going to look after them. You got kidnapped. Hence your whole revenge against Ezekiel Richardson. Right now, that man had you kidnapped and tried to have you killed. How you going to protect anybody when your head is under a bag and you got cuffs on your hands? Yeah. I need people to stop blaming themselves for stuff that's not their fault. Claire. Even being upset about the whole faith thing, Jamie was like you.

1:33:53 You told me you held our dead daughter in your arms. So it wasn't you. Somebody else did this mess. It's just yeah, I I need y'all to stop taking the blame for everybody else's faults and, and get some healing done. They need therapy. I'm. I'm going to take Michelle's. Michelle said they need some therapy. A little bit. He was therapy. Yeah, they're not going to shoot to the show, but you know they need it. But but a book, A counseling book Back with her, too. Yeah, then Roger Mack didn't bring back none of his Bible books, or none of his. Right, right.

1:34:37 Preacher Books. Yeah, but instead we got Goodnight Moon. I'm gonna leave it alone. Goodnight Moon. It looks like. What did she say? It looks like a painting. It looks. Like a paint. A painting, Oh Lord. Jesus, because I was like, OK, bringing out books from the future in front of your parents is one thing, Yes, Y'all got a whole strange little girl sitting at the table. Strange to Brianna and Rodger and the kids. Y'all don't know who this child is and y'all just going to pull this stuff out in front of her?

1:35:19 Yep. Yep. And then and then afterwards be like, I hope, I hope the book, I hope reading the book in front of Fanny is OK. Do you think it's a little too late to worry? About that Bree, Bree, you couldn't wait till the kids in bed. Right. And also, why do we have a talk with them? Damn kids, they can't have stuff from the future. Thank you. Jimmy is Jim. Jim can. He can understand, maybe. Not but he knows, but Jim, he knows he got good sense, but he also know the routine. He knows what to do. So here's the question and and it it literally just came up on my screen. Her, her holding the doll.

1:36:05 So you remember when they went through the stones to go look for Roger and Amanda felt her father through the stones and she ran towards him in the stones. Do you remember that she dropped her doll before she got to the stones stop to pick that doll up? Because the last time, last time I looked, Jim and Brianna were both running to the stones. They weren't thinking about that doll. So so So where did that all come from? Did they go back and decide? They did go back home because they went back home and gathered all the books, remember? She got, she got she, she pulled those books and stuff off before they went to go find Roger because you see her pulling Soul of a Rebel off the bookshelf.

1:36:56 I do. But did she know already that she was going to go home? I feel like they went back to the house and got prepped. I I think she took something for them just in case. I think she probably already thought or already figured that she was going to go to her parents if she couldn't find Rodger because it wasn't safe for her to be at Lala Brock in their current. Well, she should have got a Bible for Roger. Then she wouldn't even think about him. Well no, because remember Rodger? Rodger stopped ministering when they got to the 1980s because. I'm just talking about you want to pick out some books when she got books for everybody. They got Bibles in the 1700s. I know, but you know, here's some books now.

1:37:38 They got bottles in the 1700s. You may want to read the 1982 Vogue 1 was his favorite. No, no, we all see. Because Rodger wasn't doing the ministering when he was back in the 1980s, and it looks like he may start that back up. Or you may need to do some counseling. That's all I'm saying. She if she was going to prepare, she need to prepare a little bit more. That's one of the first things Jamie asked him was about that. Yeah, but maybe, you know, people need some comfort or something. But also I kind of feel I, I understand what Rodger said because Rodger was like, I couldn't be a minister when I went back because I had, you know, he was like, I had so many doubts.

1:38:21 I had so many questions like how, how is all this possible? If, you know, I think he, he asked a question like the existential question, like how's all this possible If, if God exists and you know, like there's, there's a certain order to things. And I don't think time travel was mentioned in the Bible. So Rodgers, like, I don't know how I feel about this stuff yet or now I should say. But I guess we'll see how how that's about to go. I have a feeling we don't need it in next episode 'cause they gonna need some therapy. They're never gonna need some therapy. No, wait.

1:39:01 Yeah. So Jamie is reading the book. He mentioned something about a telephone, didn't he? Yes, yes, he reads it from the thing and nobody questions. What's the telephone? That is just looking like, and I get it, they probably thought, OK, you know what, this is a girl who has grown up in a brothel her whole life. There may be some things that she has not been exposed to. I can get it if that's what they were thinking. But still, I think it's very careless for them to just be because, because what are you going to do? What are you going to do on the rest of the Ridge? Are you going to tell the kids, oh, you can't pull this book out in front of everybody else? Have you even taken the time to explain to them that, like, Jim is different because Jim grew up in that time before they went back to the future.

1:39:50 So I think he understands a little bit better. Mandy, she was a baby. She's only ever known the 1980s. That girl going to need a crash course before she has the whole family. Look, they're going to come and burn the new house down thinking, oh, we're about to burn down a house full of witches because why? Why they they could have, they could have done something else. I mean, Can you imagine how confused a historian or an archaeologist is going to be when they start digging around North Carolina? In the 1800s of the 1900s and they say huh oh this looks like a plumbing system right here like a homemade plumbing system. Oh wait our our talking right?

1:40:46 Hey, how did this get there? Y'all just opening up the whole can of worms and then you got you you out. You already see what the consequences of you having shit out that don't need to be out. You have to sit here and tell Jamie about Rob Cameron. And Jamie is like, so you're saying he found some of our letters? So not only does he know where we are, he knows when we are. So what's keeping him from coming after y'all now? And Brianna's like, I don't know if he if he can time trap.

1:41:27 Yep. I need you to be a little less nonchalant about this. You need to say, well, he shouldn't want to come after me because I almost popped his ass with, you know what I'm saying? Like, I understand Jamie. OK. Yeah. OK. Well, I'll go and hide the gold and he'll have to come through me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That that's not even like the big point. The big point is the fact that y'all are being so careless about this time travel thing and about what y'all are allowing other people to see. All you're doing is putting everybody in danger because how how are you going to explain those books?

1:42:14 As much as people come in and out of Jamie and Claire's house, they have so many people living with them at a time or so many people doing this. What you going to do? How you going to explain that? I just, I, I don't know. I, I just it, it's, it's very careless to me. I just. Oh, yeah. Scotland's influence of the Scottish roots of the American Revolution. That's what the book says, but I don't know, I just, I, I need y'all to stop bringing shit from the future. Can we, can we stop doing that?

1:42:58 Oh goodness, what else do we have to talk about? I don't, I don't, I think, I think we got everything. I think we, I think we focused on the, the most important part is mainly being the whole faith because I, I think really everything else, I don't want to say it was just feeling because it wasn't just feeling. Oh no, we got, we got information. But I think until they explain it properly, I feel like that Faith thing is going to kind of over shadow everything else, especially because now you're trying to decide whether or not you should even tell Fanny about the possibility. And I understand what Claire says about no. If we tell her she's not going to understand it, then we're going to break whatever trust she already has in us. But even with that, now you're bringing Brianna into the fold. You're telling her about it, which I don't even remember if she ever had a conversation with Brianna about Faith. At least she didn't in the show.

1:44:01 I don't, I don't recall them talking about it in the books. So it's just kind of like, oh, OK, yeah. So by the way, let me tell you about Fanny and your sister Brianna is like, OK, I know I come from future, but this shit sounds ridiculous. Like how do you. Yeah, I think, I think that that one little mystery is going to over shadow some of this stuff until we find out what it is 'cause it's all anybody's going to talk about, 'cause you either have people who are intrigued by it or you have people who are really, really pissed off by it. So I don't know. Yeah, I hope they don't drag it on. I don't. I don't want it to be like a constant thing and. I don't.

1:44:44 Again, they have 10 episodes. You have a lot of material to cover, especially because you've introduced quite a few new characters in this season. So, and you introduce them in a way that suggests they're going to have kind of significant storylines this season. So you can't spend too much time on that. That's, that's almost like the whole, the whole thing with Malva's pregnancy and her murder and all that stuff. We were hoping they wouldn't drag that out either. And they took care of that fairly quickly. So I'm hoping they'll do the same thing with this because I I just need to know so I can so I can wrap my brain around whatever it is that y'all are doing and I can put it to rest and then I can enjoy the rest of the season, which I'm a do regardless, but still that that's kind of like a is, is that thing that's hanging over your head. Yeah.

1:45:44 So you guys have any final thoughts about the episode? Because we have some other stuff to talk about briefly, but. I, I do think that using that Claire seeing somebody show up on the Ridge was kind of a let down that it was only Brianna and Rodger now because I really wanted some like juicy like. Something. Oh yeah. We I'm glad. I'm glad it was them because I'm glad they made it back and Lord knows I didn't want them to go through more trouble getting back home. But I'm also like, Dang, I really needed some juicy character. Somebody new, something good be.

1:46:28 Careful what you wish for. Well, I didn't get an old lady crazy and young hotty toty with a baby, so I don't know. I mean, be careful what you wish for. Oh, oh, the two guys hanging in the Ridge. Oh, yeah. So question about that, was that done by people who actually lived on a Ridge or was were they saying that the British did that? So I think if I remember correctly, I think what we're going to find out because Jamie is still kind of reacquainting himself with the Ridge. I don't think Cunningham is the only ex British officer on the Ridge.

1:47:15 OK. And then if I'm not mistaken, the whole thing with the war in the Backcountry, I think that has to do with the the individual militias in the the neighboring towns and settlements. And I think some of them are loyalists, some of them are rebels. So you're going to get some conflict. So apparently somebody maybe on the Ridge who, you know, don't like the loyalists, they strung those folks up. I don't know if those were residents of the Ridge or if they happen to be trespassing or I don't know what the case is, but, yeah, I don't think that bodes well for Mr. I I'm done with war.

1:48:02 Yeah. It's. It's literally on your land and in your backyard. So. Yeah, I yeah, But I'm sure that was a joke too. It's kind of like damn I just got home and y'all hanging people on my land. Yeah. Yeah, and then in a really terrible way too, and having stuff in their forehead and. Right, like I just left war and this is probably more gruesome than anything I I witnessed in the war. At least with war. And I hate to say this 'cause he gives him an at least war civilized. I mean, it's into A to a degree 'cause they let you take your dead off the field and and come back the next day preparing for another round kind of thing in a lot of cases.

1:48:50 But yeah, but that, that was a bit, that was a bit much. So I forgot all about that. Yeah. But so, yeah, last week I got to go to New York. I got to sit out in the freezing cold for two kids so that I could attend the the red carpet premiere and screening of the first episode of Outlander. I got to see it four days before, you know, the the rest of the world did. That was a fun experience. It was very interesting because this is the first time I'm 50 years old. I've never camped out overnight in my life for anything.

1:49:32 I've never done the I'm sitting outside for concert tickets. I've never sat outside for Jordan's. I've I've never done that before. So going into this whole process, there was like there was an initial sign up. The sign up filled up within like 4 minutes via e-mail or the online sign up process and then you got a confirmation. The confirmation says hey you're on the list, but you're not guaranteed. You still have to be aligned by a certain number of time to get vouchers. OK. So what happened was we went in, we got into the New York Sunday afternoon. We decided to go see Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, which is phenomenal.

1:50:18 I will just say that even though it's not Outlander, it was phenomenal. So what we decided after the show was we were going to go by the theater to see if anybody was sitting outside. We were like, OK, we're going to see if anybody's going to be camping out because it was cold in New York. I think when we left the theater, it had to have been like maybe mid 20s and it was cold and the wind was blowing. So it was, it was, it was pretty cold. And you know, we live in Atlanta. We, we get kind of sort of that cold, but it's, it's not constant. So we go to the theater, it's around 11:15. There are already about 200 and something people in line like camped out, bundled up blankets, pizza boxes like they are, they are there for the night. So my friend Linda, she takes the first watch, she stays there for few hours, I think like 3 hours. She calls me, I get up, go.

1:51:21 And we kind of did that back and forth until 10:00. That was when I had to pick up the tickets. So when we got the vouchers, we were like #344 and 3:45 in line. They were only guaranteeing the 1st 500 people to get into the theater, so you had to be there by a certain amount of time in order to get in. And in the midst of all that, you got the stars coming in. You have them decorating outside with the posters. They had a replica of the standing stones as the backdrop outside for photo OPS. It was, it was really nice. I didn't get to see the stars up close like I wanted to because my name was the one that was on the reservation. So I stood in line to make sure we kept our place in line. But it when I say it was a fun experience. I did get to see some of the stars when they came in the theater to sit.

1:52:12 Richard Rankin is a ham, is a total, total ham. But everyone was beautiful. It was very emotional. Matt Roberts got up on stage and started talking and had people in the audience kind of sniff. It was a really fun experience and I'm glad I got to see, I'm glad I got to see it on a big screen because it was like in a theater. So it was on a movie theater screen. Got to see it with other fans. Like I said, they were about maybe all together about 600 or 700 people in there including cast and crew. It was a great experience. I I wouldn't have traded it for the world was so much fun, so much fun. I wish y'all could have been there. Girl that's standing at that, I was like, Lord, she out here doing like she ain't like she in her 20s out here on these streets, yes.

1:53:08 I think I prepared fairly well for someone who is never experienced the northern winter because I stopped the weather pages for like 2 weeks trying to figure out what the weather was like. Because the weekend before New York had a Blizzard. Yeah. And so there were literally spots around the city, like for the most part, the streets were clear. But then you would come past a spot that had like snow sitting five feet high and it was dirty and it was nasty and it was gross. But I mean, it wasn't as bad as I was expecting it to be in. Then I went in layers. I bought thermals I had on, I had on like thermal pants, leggings and sweatpants. And then I had on like a thermal shirt. I had on a sweatshirt and a, a, a winter jacket. And then I had the lining of my friend's jacket and I had my my hair.

1:54:04 I was very well bundled up. So I think for the four hours I was there the first time in the morning, I was there from like 2:30 ish 2:45 until about 6:30. I didn't start getting cold until like right around 5:45. I was like, OK, I did pretty good. I was very proud of myself. I was like, OK, so now I know how to prepare if they decide to ever do something like this again and, and try to figure out, but I need them to give us a little more time because they only gave us like 2 weeks notice as far as when they were doing this and where it was going to be and trying to plan and get your hotel. And like, we didn't even find out where the location was until like maybe four days before the event. Oh God, yeah.

1:54:54 So she and I, basically, we thought about all the places that they've done Outlander events at. Before or or. Like premieres and we just kind of narrowed it down, OK, it might be at Javits or it might be here or it might be here. So we just picked the hotel that was kind of central to it and was like, OK, we're going to hope for the best. And it just so happened in the hotel that we were in. We were right next door to the Hudson Theater. So when we pulled up, they had the marquee out because Daniel Radcliffe's new show was starting a couple of days after we left. So that was the first thing we saw. We were literally in Times Square. It was it was just an all around fun trip.

1:55:36 I wish I could have stayed for a few more days, but it was worth it. You know, I got to see Sam and Katrina in person and Sophie was there, Rick was there, Cesar was there, Lauren was there. Who else was there? Izzy was there. Diana Gabaldon was there. So if they had a pretty good turn out for the event, Oh, William. William was there, Charles David Berry, Lord John Gray was there. So they had a they had a really good cast turn out and yes, those people look just as good in person as they do on the screen. They believe it. Good looking bunch of people, yes, but everyone, yeah, it was a lot of fun.

1:56:20 It was a lot of fun. So I'm I'm I'm looking forward to the next event, which will be I'm going to lancon in October. I'm still trying to talk you to and and to go where Michelle can't go 'cause she going to be on another crew on. Another cruise. I don't blame you. I love a cruise girl. On another cruise, yeah. There's an Outlander Convention coming to Austin, TX in October that I'm going to. So far they've got a pretty good guest list. We got Lord John Gray coming. We got Will, we got, We got Galis coming. We have the new Jenny coming. We have.

1:57:00 I actually do miss Galis like she was a she was a great kid. Then I'm just, I was so excited when I saw she was on there 'cause I was like, I know she got some tails. I know she got some tails. I just love, yeah. I love how I don't even want to say, well, no, her character was evil. But yeah, oh, yeah, she loves her. Yeah, I love her. But yeah, so we're we're we're loving. I I'm loving all the Outlander stuff right now. I'm so sad that the main show is about to end, but we still have blood in my blood. And that is a show that I am really enjoying. So yeah, we'll keep covering that. And then I think the only other thing we need to mention is the New York City Podcast Awards, because we have been nominated for an award.

1:57:49 Yay, we are. I found this out Friday before I left for New York that we are nominated in the category of Best Entertainment and Pop Culture Podcast. The award ceremony is going to be this Friday night in New York, so I will be going back to New York so I can attend the award ceremony. I'm excited. This is the first ceremony I've been able to attend. We've been nominated for other podcast awards before. A couple of years ago we were nominated for the Black Podcast Awards. So this is a lot of fun to to do because they have a, they have a very strict judging process for their submissions. The submissions have to go through two rounds of judging before before they are nominated. So the fact that we got that far in order to be a nominate, in order to be nominated, I am very proud of us and I am excited about the awards.

1:58:57 I'm excited about being in that kind of environment and getting a chance to like meet other podcasters and network. So I'm I'm excited about that. But this is where we need your help, listeners, dear listeners and viewers, there is an audience choice award that is a part of the ceremony and that is where you can actually go online and vote. For us. The vote is daily votes. They are taking ballots up until noon on Thursday, March 12th. Again, the the ceremony is on Friday, March 13th. So I'm going to post the link in the show notes.

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