Outlander (Season 8 Episode 1) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #399

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Michelle and Dina and
Drought Lander is finally.

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Over.
Yes, we are discussing the

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season 8's premiere of
Outlander.

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It is the first episode of the
final season.

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I'm still not over that.
I'm still not happy with that.

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But OK.
It is what it is.

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But how are you doing?
Are you guys OK?

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Are you glad we're out of
drought land?

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And Dina, welcome to Outlander.
Oh yeah, yeah.

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Because she was, she did blood
of my blood with us.

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Welcome.
How are you feeling?

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It's the final season.
I've been dreading just because

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like, like just knowing stuff
that's supposed to happen or

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appears to be happening.
I'm like dreading it 'cause you

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know, there's, I want them to
live forever.

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Their love is so great.
I just want them to live forever

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and like they need them.
Yeah, they will.

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It will be the notebook.
They'll be old and they'll die

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together.
No, wait, you keep in the

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notebook with them.
Well, hopefully not as bad as

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notebook is when what the
reason, But yes they can die

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again.
But together, yes, OK.

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So we're going to get into the
season 8's premiere.

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We're going to go ahead and
address the elephant in the

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room.
There's a lot of things we need

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to talk about in this.
Which one we're going to go

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ahead.
We're going to go ahead and from

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the top, we all go ahead and get
this faith stuff out the way.

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Let's let's let's let's talk
about it.

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Let me get my notes here.
You got notes.

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OK, now I will say this because
I didn't get a chance to go back

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and rewatch the last episode of
season 7.

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So I actually got to go to the
premiere event in New York City

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last week, and I got to see it
with the fans and I got to see

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with the cast, which was a great
way to view it.

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But it was so weird because, you
know, the episode starts with

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this cold open, and it's Jamie
and Claire.

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And I'm sitting here figuring
out like, what the hell are they

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doing?
And it had to click in my brain.

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OK, so at this point, if people
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they are veering from the books
and we will talk about that as

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well because I've seen a lot of
people pissed off about them

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deviating from the books.
A lot of people pissed off about

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this whole faith thing.
I have my own thoughts about it,

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but Michelle, you got notes, so
we gonna start with you.

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Well, I know, and it's hard
because we don't want to do

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spoilers of Blood of my blood,
but thinking of what was

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happening in that show and then
this, and I'm so happy they got

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caught up and that this really
could be faith.

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But if it is, let's just let's
just think about it.

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There's one thing that's that's
showing that it's not her.

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I got evidence, OK, The evidence
is come on, counselor.

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If you lost her when you gave
birth, then how would she know

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the song right?
How would she know I have it?

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But was it explain song?
You got something for that?

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OK, OK, OK, OK, let's show
evidence.

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OK, So remember talking about
how you know it When we're

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talking about my blood, My
blood, we're talking about how

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she was singing the song like
while she was I guess pregnant

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with her and all this stuff.
Whoever took her knew the song

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and they whoever 'cause they,
I'm pretty sure whoever took her

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was there and they swapped that
baby and they were singing that

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song.
OK, and see, see, I thought

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about that.
That's a lot.

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I rewatched the clip of Claire
and faith in in the hospital

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before I started rewatching this
tonight because I was like, I, I

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just kind of need to get my, my
head in that that space.

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And there are a lot of things
that don't add up to this being

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faith or to Fanny's mom being
faith first and foremost.

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They gave Claire that baby in
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She held that baby all day.
Yep.

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OK, now say what we think about
Mother Hildegard or Lord.

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My mind just went blank.
Master Raymond.

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Yes, Master Raymond, I don't
feel like they would do

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something as cruel as made clear
go through that kind of

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suffering.
I mean, we saw the visual of her

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on the table, we saw her
bleeding out.

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We saw them doing the surgery.
I just, I don't feel like this

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is faith.
This is their faith.

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And the other thing is Outlander
has been good over the last

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seven seasons.
They lead us in One Direction

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and then we find out something
else totally different is going

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on.
And I kind of feel like that's

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what they're doing with this
character.

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I feel like it's a purposeful
misdirect because I, I feel like

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in a way, they're, they're
trying to pull Fanny and Jane's

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story into Jamie and Claire's
and they're trying to, you know,

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just kind of make that suspense,
which, OK, I get it.

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If you want to do something
different, that's different.

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Again, this has now veered away
from book territory.

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OK, This is not an adaptation
anymore.

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This is based on the novel
written by Diana Gabaldon, which

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means there are certain
liberties they are going to

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take.
If you have gotten this far

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watching Outlander and you don't
realize that they're deviating

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from the books or you're still
pissed off that they're

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deviating from the books, you're
not paying attention if it's not

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going to be a faithful
adaptation.

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And, and I'm OK with that one
because I was a show fan 1st and

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then I went in and read the
books and the books way too

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dense, way too much information.
They can't do it.

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The second thing is for this to
be the final season and Diana

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Gabaldon has not yet finished
writing her 10th book.

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Why, as an author, would you
give the show permission to tell

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your story before you put your
story out there?

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Because if they tell her story,
if they give her ending in the

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show, what's going to compel
people to go buy the book?

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Granted, yes, the book fans are
going to go buy it regardless,

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but the people that you are
trying to convert to the books

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from the show, if they already
have the answer, why are they

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going to go look for it
elsewhere?

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And This is why I don't
understand why book people are

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so mad because it's like, do you
read?

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If you have been following these
books for what?

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She wrote these books 30 years
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If you have been following these
books for 30 years and then the

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show comes in and gives you the
ending instead of you sitting

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down with your cup of coffee in
your pajamas in your comfortable

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chair and reading the ending
like you did all the other

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books.
Why would you want that?

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I don't want that.
And I was a show a show fan

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first.
I, I don't mind the, the, the,

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the ending being different.
So I don't mind them doing

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different things.
Going back to Faith again,

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Claire saying to that stillborn
baby all day or she was holding

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that stillborn baby all day.
OK, there's there's a part in

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the books where they talk about
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They don't mention this in the
show, but there's a part in the

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book where when when Louise
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all of that like they, if if I'm
not mistaken, I think I'm

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remembering this correctly, but
the baby has started to decay

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like you can.
You can smell the death on her

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so.
So it can't be a fake baby.

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Second, whose dead baby are you
about to give her and why would

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you do that?
That's why it makes sense to me.

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It doesn't.
Yeah, and I don't.

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Think, I don't think mother, I
don't think she would do that

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because she was a woman of the
cloth and I just don't think for

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whatever reason she would do
that.

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There's no, there's no reason
why that is true.

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There's no, there's no why
unless there's something this TV

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is going on like they realized
Faith needs to be taken because

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later she has to grow up here to
save the world.

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But that it that's not this
show.

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So there is there isn't a why
right now.

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I think it is a misdirect, but
it's kinda I I don't want us to

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say because just in case someone
didn't see that that other show,

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but it could be a different
relative.

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Yeah, he who that's still the
family line.

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And maybe that relative was
singing to his wife, who then

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sung to her kids.
Or they could sun to their

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children because.
Together, you see what I'm

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saying?
That song came from.

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The 19 I mean it's the song was
written in 19 O 9.

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Song came from, you know.
It's, you know, I forgot.

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You see that?
You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, that it probably came from
that.

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Person versus Claire.
Yeah, Claire.

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No, that's what that's right
about.

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That she stuck on that, but
there's something.

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Something they're going to
connect blood in my blood and

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they're going to have to
somehow.

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That's what I think too.
I think.

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I think that's what so we going
to find out and maybe we'll find

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out in the book.
I, I'm not going to, I, I would

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say probably not in the book
because Diana has.

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Not that book I'm talking about.
I'm sorry.

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I'm talking about, oh, Frank's.
Book.

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Frank's book.
OK, OK, the other the other

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thing about this is we are all
basing this on the fact that

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Claire saw the name Faith on the
Locket.

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She looked at the picture of the
girl and you know, she she was

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pretty, she looked familiar.
But The thing is, Faith is

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actually not an uncommon name.
Now, the fact that somebody

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named Faith is involved or
directly related to this person

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who is coming to Jamie and
Claire's hemisphere, that's a

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little bit coincidental.
But again, I do personally feel

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like there is going to be a tie
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the way that they are doing that
show and again, based on based

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on characters from the Outlander
series, it says that very

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clearly in Blood of My Blood.
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books, Claire's parents are
dead.

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They're like dead, dead.
Diana has said that several

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times to the point where she's
like, yeah, in the show, like I

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don't even think about those
characters because those

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characters don't exist to me.
Like, so they're dead In the

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show, however, they are live.
They are time travelers.

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And we did see at the end of the
first season, there is a

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possibility they may have had to
go through the stones to protect

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themselves.
I think this faith that we are

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discussing could possibly be
related to Claire, but just not

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in the way that she thinks.
Because here's the other thing.

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Why would you as a writer take
the character and the fans on a

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journey to lose that character
not once but twice without ever

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having met her?
Why would you do that emotional

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damage?
That's why I think it's a

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misdirect.
I think they're setting this up.

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And granted, it'll probably, it
will be heartbreaking to Claire

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and Jamie if they find out, oh,
that actually wasn't our

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daughter, but.
It's another relative, yeah.

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But it will also be good because
now they don't have to live with

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that, that guilt or that hurt or
that right about, oh, our

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daughter was out there in the
world and she didn't.

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And that's we didn't have her.
And that's what I think it is.

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Like it literally it's just it
opens the door for her to learn

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about other relatives and not
necessarily her parents.

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Just yeah.
And I will say her parents, but

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not necessarily faith.
Even the faith that's on the

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Lockheed that she related to, it
just opens up their minds to her

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parents.
That's all I'm going to say.

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Her parents.
Oh gosh.

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Try.
Try not to spoil blood in my

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blood.
Makes it very good look if they,

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if they wash blood in my blood,
look, we've been talking about

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blood in my blood.
They just mute for five blood

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for 5 minutes.
Go ahead and spoil it.

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That's how I'll I'll play
spoiler alert in the in the show

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notes.
Before, Oh yeah, 'cause I was

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just thinking like, you know, we
did.

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I think we, I think we discussed
this on blood in my blood.

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It's like if Julia has another
kid while she's back in the

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past, and that could be the
faith or that you know, And so

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like we don't like, it's so many
things that could.

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And that right.
And it ultimately could be his

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wife.
That's all I was trying to say.

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Like it's his.
It could be his wife.

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He could have been the captain
that they were mentioning if the

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story was true.
I don't really really.

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Trust.
Pirates.

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But it's that could be his wife
and he sung the song to his and

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then his wife also sung it to
the kids 'cause she learned it

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from him.
Yeah, yeah.

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That's.
True.

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That is more logical.
Yeah.

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Then your baby was taken.
Your stillborn baby.

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Your stillborn baby.
No, no.

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They gave you another stillborn
baby.

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Somebody else had to have a dead
baby.

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That is soap opera, that's what
that's.

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Right it is.
And then a person heard you sing

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the song the day you were
grieving your baby or when you

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were walking around pregnant to
this scene too, because I got

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another theory.
Before you, before you talk

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about your theory, because
here's the other thing about

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that.
If you're talking about someone

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took her baby and switched it
out with somebody else, you are

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talking so much complicity in a
nunnery.

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Right.
In a hospital full of none.

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Now, the only thing I would say
was suspicious when I went back

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and looked at the the clip, that
asshole Doctor Who was working

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in there with her, the the one
who was the butcher, he was the

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one that that delivered faith.
He was the one that was, you

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know, treating her.
He kept looking at her in in

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like this weird way.
But I thought at the time that

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he was looking at her because he
already didn't like her.

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She had already questioned him
on some of his methods.

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So I was just kind of looking at
it like he's thinking, oh, you

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know what, she deserved this or
whatever because he's a man and

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he didn't whatever.
But other than that, you're

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talking about mother, Mother
Hildegard.

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You're talking about the doctor.
You're talking about the other

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two nuns who were there at the
birth.

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She, she was surrounded by
people at birth.

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You mean to tell me all those
religious folks took part in a

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lie and lied to this woman about
her baby and then kept that lie

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going when they saw her go to
pieces?

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I just don't believe that.
I just don't believe that.

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I had to remember I had to go
back and watch because I was.

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I have restarted watching
Outlander from the beginning but

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I have to finish that first
season so I can get to that to

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France because I forget so much.
That that's a that's a rough

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episode to go through, though.
But Michelle, what was your

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other theory?
Oh no, I was being crazy with

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the theory being that OK, she
lost faith but Faith was taken

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from her.
But Faith was actually in the

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nunnery as an adult.
Oh God.

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And heard the song.
See, I said that's so far out.

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So guess what?
Since that's so far out and the

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one we just said was far out,
that means the original idea of

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is her brother's family.
Yeah, is lying.

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Is lying.
Is she gonna learn about his

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life?
That's what I feel like.

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That's really, that's why that
connection is there.

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And then I, I don't know
something about the I I don't

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know.
But then that's still sad 'cause

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even if she finds out as her
brother's lying, they did.

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But OK, so here is the other
thing that that would make it

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very weird.
So Brianna is in what, her 30s

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now?
Faith was only a year and a

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half, maybe 2 years older than
Bri at the most.

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You mean to tell me she had a,
a, a child James age, which I

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mean 1700s teenage pregnancy?
That's not that far off.

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But from what?
The, the, the ship, the the guy

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who they killed at the beginning
of the episode.

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I mean, he could have lied, but
the fact that he used the

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captain's name, Pocock, he said
that without, without prompting.

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So that makes me think that most
of what he said was true.

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He also talked about the wife
and he said she had wild hair.

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He didn't say she had red hair.
He said he just said wild hair.

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I did.
I did.

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That could have.
I mean, if you think about it,

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that's the way Claire was
described early on in the in the

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show and in the.
Books so 'cause you don't know

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if we don't learn this later in
other seasons of blood in my

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blood, we don't know.
Oh.

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That would be That would be so
mad, that drag.

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That no if the the brother
starts traveling himself and he

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found him a woman who can travel
and she from the current time

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too.
Well, current time.

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No, Claire's time.
Not his time.

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You know what I'm trying to say?
Our time.

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But basically to to narrow it
down, we're all in agreement.

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This is not Faith Fraser that
they are talking about.

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There's no way.
I don't know what Master Raymond

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needs forgiveness for.
Maybe he needs forgiveness

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because he knows that maybe he
knew that Claire's parents were

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alive.
Maybe he that part out.

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You know, because I don't know
if you guys are aware, but I

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know in the books, I believe
it's either hinted or it's

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confirmed that I haven't read
the side, all of the side

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novellas yet, but I think it's
hinted that Master Raymond is a

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time traveller and I think he
may be related to Claire.

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Oh yeah, you told us that.
If they if they're tying that

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into the story, that could make
a little more sense because then

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that could explain a little bit
more as far as her, you know,

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maybe he knows her parents.
And then there's some other

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things too, like the whole thing
with with Claire and her, well,

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do I really want to go into the
book stuff now?

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I don't think I want to go into
the book stuff now, so I'm going

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to scratch that.
But and we'll just we'll come

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back and revisit that later
because I know where I was going

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to go.
But there there are certain

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things about Claire and whatever
power, quote UN quote, she's

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supposed to come into when, you
know, when her hair turns white,

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she's supposed to come into some
power.

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They do talk about that a little
bit in the books, and if they're

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going to bring that into the
story for the show, that might

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explain more about the whole
Faith thing.

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But I still don't think it's her
daughter Faith that I would.

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I would definitely say that
without hesitation.

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I don't think it's Faith.
I think it's a misdirect.

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I think it's something to either
one get the fans interested or

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get the fans pissed off.
And then when you pull the Okie

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Doke and reveal what the whole
thing really was, it's kind of

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going to be like, oh, that makes
so much more sense that I that's

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just how I feel.
And I do feel like it may have a

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blood of my blood tie in.
And I kind of hope that it is so

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that all the people who are
like, actually, it's not that.

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And then they don't know what's
going on and they feel silly.

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You know, yeah, that's the other
thing about this whole thing.

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I understand.
Believe me.

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I understand being a book
purist.

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I'm a Harry Potter fan.
I mean, I understand.

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Come on.
Being a book.

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Purist, but we're old now.
We know that that does not exist

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in adaptation.
It's a different thing spinning

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of the wheel, right?
Because I mean, some things that

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just won't translate well on
screen.

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There's so much more descriptive
stuff that she does in the books

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that it would take forever for
them to do it on the show.

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What I like a regular old season
of 22 episodes a season like

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they used to do on network TV.
Absolutely.

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You could put everything in
there, but it's not gonna

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happen.
Just like the start of this

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episode takes place almost a
year from when Claire was shot

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because the Battle of Mama took
place in June 1778.

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When we start this episode or
when they're in Savannah, it's

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1779.
And it's very clear from the

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fact that William is going out
to the terrace to talk to Lady

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Grey, which we'll get into.
It's summer.

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It's either spring or
summertime.

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You know, Rachel is very fully
pregnant.

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Yeah.
For them to have a house.

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Bill yeah.
So yeah, I just think they're,

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they're giving us something to
speculate on and the, and the

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kind of chew, you know, chew
around a little bit and see

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whether or not we're going to
swallow it or spit it out.

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And we just, we're just waiting
to see because this this season

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is a 10 episode season, They do
have some time to play around

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with this.
I don't want them to play around

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with it too much.
No, but I'm, I'm noticing,

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especially with this first
episode, because I've read the

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books and because I know some of
the things that I think are

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coming.
There's certain things that if

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you paid attention in the
episodes, they focused on a lot

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in this episode.
So that kind of makes me feel

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like, OK, they're about to get
into, they're about to get into

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some stuff.
And I have a feeling it's going

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to be the first few episodes.
So we may get that answer sooner

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than than we realize.
But again, I I don't think it's

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Faith Fraser.
I just.

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Don't.
I just don't see the purpose and

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being that cruel to Jamie and
Clay, especially with everything

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they have gone through.
Why would you add this one thing

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to the and I think it again,
it's to to open that back up so

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we can revisit again that she
has other people out there, I

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believe yeah.
But when you talk about the book

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and having issues that, and I
know I just said spinning the

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wheel because it's another the
term, but we do have to think of

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it like we have.
I do believe there's different

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versions of me, a different
timeline.

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So we had to think this is just
a different timeline then the

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book timeline.
Yeah, 'cause there was a

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decision made that spiraled off
to something else.

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Yeah.
I mean, it happens with all time

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travel.
Yeah, why wouldn't it happen

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with this?
Right, that's what I'm saying.

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So the book was written on the
perspective of what happened to

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Claire One, but we're watching
Claire Five.

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OK girl, I mean.
It's what I'm talking.

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About.
So we have to think about it

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that way.
Like it's not going to be

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directly the same.
Yes, because there's different

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nuances that you can't do from
the book in in in the show and

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those books, which I'm still
trying to get through.

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We'll be on season 30.
If you were trying to include

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everything and still keep your
audience, that's kind of hard.

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So you got to pick and choose.
You got to tie things together

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that sometimes don't fit, but
you got to because you can't

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hire 500 different people.
No, no.

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And we have to be, we have to be
OK with it.

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At least this is what we got.
We got actors and actresses that

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actually match the book.
Yeah, for the most part, OK, for

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the most.
Part even if we got the scenery

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look.
At they they have the person.

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They fit it the essence, right?
They fit the essence.

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The scenery can't get any
better.

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People can't get any better.
Yeah.

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Essence.
Right?

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The essence.
What made you fall in love with

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the books?
Falling in love with the show.

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Yeah.
It's just that in the show, Mr.

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Brown was for several episodes,
but in the book he may only been

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for two chapters.
I don't know.

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But the other thing too is when
you are creating a show based on

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worse, and this is something,
this is a conversation we have

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all the time because a lot of
the stuff that we like to read

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has been adapted, some of it for
better, some of it for worse.

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I have been talking an awful lot
about Shadowhunters and the

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Mortal Instruments in the last
three months.

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But a lot of times the
showrunners, they're looking for

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new audiences.
They're they're not looking for

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the old audience.
Because let's again, let's face

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it, if Outlander had never had a
show, those book fans are still

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going to be book fans.
The book fans are die hard book

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fans.
They are going to be loyal to

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that story no matter what.
They could have never done an

450
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,000
Outlander show and the book fans
would still be the book fans.

451
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,800
They would still be massive.
They would still be loyal.

452
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:26,600
The show just puts a face to the
story and it's to draw other

453
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,960
people in.
Let's be honest, a lot of people

454
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,680
don't read nowadays.
They don't have the time.

455
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,560
Everybody is busy trying to
survive.

456
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,000
So there are some people who
don't read or who don't have the

457
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,600
time to read or who don't have
the luxury to read.

458
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,400
The TV show is for them, and
there are some things that

459
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,080
happened in the book that I'm
going to admit I had to skim

460
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,320
through and go back and read
because I got bored in some

461
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,800
parts.
That's 1200 pages.

462
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,600
You won't lose interest.
Every once in a while, you're

463
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,080
going to lose your focus.
I mean, that's why I didn't

464
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,720
finish reading.
I'm I'm probably like on five.

465
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,560
I don't even remember at this
point, but and I don't want to

466
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:11,920
start from the beginning to
catch up.

467
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,360
So that's why I never.
But and and that's not to say

468
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,720
the books are boring, but
there's a lot of people,

469
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,760
especially when you got other
stuff going on, a lot of people

470
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,160
are not going to be able to stay
that focused for that long, you

471
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,120
know, so you have to find other
ways to bring people into the

472
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,680
story.
One of one of our friends, she

473
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,800
is listening to the audiobooks
now with Kristen Atherton

474
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,920
narrating.
That's the person who that's the

475
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,840
actress who came in season 7 as
the new Jenny.

476
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,640
She's reading.
She redid the Outlander

477
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:52,920
audiobooks and our friend said
she she's, she was like, I love

478
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,440
to being a Porter.
I love her, she said.

479
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,000
But listening to Kristen's voice
and her version of the books,

480
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,600
like she's already up to Fiery
Cross.

481
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,520
OK, I I don't even I'm like,
when did you get time to do

482
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,880
this?
She was like, girl, I've been

483
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,080
trudging along and that got her
interested in going back and

484
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,600
trying to watch the show again
because she never got past the

485
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,960
first season of the show.
It was hard, that person.

486
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,520
It was hard, but now?
She's catching up, and it's been

487
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,640
interesting watching, you know,
watching it from her perspective

488
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,680
because she's like, OK, yeah, I
can separate the two.

489
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Yeah, they did this differently.
This.

490
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,320
I like this better in the show
than I like in the book, and I

491
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,000
like this better in the book
than the show.

492
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,480
Like Claire, she's kind of sort
of OK with her in the books now.

493
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,920
She can't stand show Claire, but
she's like, I'm a watch show

494
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,720
Claire because of Jamie and
because of of of what she does.

495
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,640
She was like, but she get on my
nerves, especially season 1

496
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,600
Claire.
I think the rest of the seasons

497
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,560
there, she's starting to wear
her down.

498
00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:01,160
But you have to find different
ways to appeal to the audiences.

499
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,160
And if this is the way that
they're going to appeal to

500
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,720
people who are ignorant about
the story.

501
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,240
There are people who watch the
show who don't know the story.

502
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,440
They don't care about what y'all
said about faith.

503
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,680
They're just like, oh, we, we're
going to see what the what

504
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,440
happens.
I mean, think about it.

505
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,720
We are a, we are a people who
indulge in fantasy and sci-fi

506
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,800
and time travel all the time.
You mean to tell me they can't

507
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,280
figure some kind of way to, to
come out of this?

508
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,240
I'm going to keep my mind open.
I'm not going to say I hate it.

509
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,680
I I did kind of it, it, it
grated on me watching this

510
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,920
episode because there was just
it, it was so sudden when it

511
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,840
came in like you, you start the
episode and we're immediately

512
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,560
interrogating this man and he
starts saying all of this stuff

513
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,800
about the captain and how he
slit his throat and how, you

514
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,160
know, he had two girls and one
of the girls was too young.

515
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,680
But the other one, he was like,
I don't think she has seen a

516
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,320
cock before.
I stuck minding her.

517
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,400
I was like, Oh my God, he's
talking about Jane.

518
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,840
It's like Claire needs to do.
And you could see Claire over

519
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,760
there bubbling.
And then the moment he starts

520
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,400
talking about the wife, he was
like, yeah, the wife had issues

521
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,200
with me touching her daughter.
So I I threw her arm.

522
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:28,440
You, you did what it, it was So
it was, it was so much for the

523
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,720
beginning of the episode.
And then, of course, after he

524
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,440
said that, you hear him, you
hear his voice in Claire's mind,

525
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,440
because as he's talking, she's
replaying certain phrases he's

526
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,800
saying in his head.
And you can, you can see her

527
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,680
getting more and more mad.
And I was like, she about to

528
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,640
punch him.
No, Claire.

529
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,200
Claire was like, fuck the
Hippocratic Oath.

530
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,560
I'm gonna shake you, and I'm
gonna shake you in a way that I

531
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,400
know you're gonna die.
You're gonna die.

532
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,160
She knows exactly what to do.
She.

533
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Did.
So that was a lot to start the

534
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,160
episode off with.
And then of course, you know,

535
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,200
they having their conversation
about she was alive this whole

536
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,400
time.
So I was just like, I can't

537
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,600
because I don't again, I don't
believe that is Faith.

538
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,440
But to watch them go through
those emotions, especially

539
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:23,320
Claire, like Claire sang to that
dead baby, and for her to feel

540
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,080
like that child is now alive or
was alive and she lost her all

541
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,080
over again, I just don't see the
point in the writers doing that.

542
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,560
So it's got to be something else
going on.

543
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,120
Got.
To yeah, it definitely is.

544
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:46,160
So yeah, I understood that it it
started off, it started off

545
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,760
rocky.
It was.

546
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,720
It was rough.
Yeah, it.

547
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,960
Was, I guess I was like, oh, we
got, we got murderous Claire.

548
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,000
Well, that's fine.
Yeah, 'cause it's funny you say

549
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,200
that about the Hippocratic Oath
because she has treated some

550
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,360
people who deserve to die.
Remember the guy who tried to

551
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,480
kill her and she said we tried
to save him?

552
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:06,960
Yeah.
So she.

553
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,920
Had definitely changed.
That was early in my career, not

554
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,199
during my retirement age.
That changes.

555
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,800
I I guess at this point too, she
live in.

556
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,560
Yeah, I I've been through it all
so.

557
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,960
Been arrested and almost hang
for merch she's like I am been

558
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,120
gang raped she's been and then
to now hear that her daughter

559
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,120
might have been alive and this
man just callously threw her

560
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,159
overboard so that he could rape
her grandchild her probable get

561
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:37,120
grandchild yeah I I would say
because Jamie didn't even say

562
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,400
nothing he was like oh this what
we doing OK he killed the other

563
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,120
guy he just looked at her I was
like I assessing that we got to

564
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,239
go didn't say nothing because I
mean this is Jamie we talking

565
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:53,880
about this is the man who calmly
sat in was in Browns bedroom and

566
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,480
was like yeah I'm only nice
because of my wife and my wife

567
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,640
ain't here right now you tried
to take her from me.

568
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,480
Jamie was like, look, I'm gonna
let her have her vengeance.

569
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,440
I'm gonna let her do because he
didn't say nothing to her.

570
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,360
He understood it.
I mean, there's only so many

571
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:18,360
things you can do.
There's only so much a person

572
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,360
can take before they snap.
And then you're standing here

573
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,920
behind this man.
Listen, listening to how he

574
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,880
callously killed your possible
son-in-law, raped one of your

575
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,760
granddaughters and said he was
going to save the other one

576
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,720
because she was so young that
even the smallest man would have

577
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,680
broke her.
I was like I said, oh, she let

578
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,440
me tell you, this episode alone,
Claire has shown some good

579
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,680
restraints.
Because between this dude and

580
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,840
the old bitch that shows up
later, I was like Claire.

581
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,880
Yeah, Claire, I mean, and you
know, it's crazy.

582
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,960
Like I don't get triggered like
a ton of stuff.

583
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040
Like I've had my things that's
happened to me in real life, but

584
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,240
I don't get triggered by a lot
of stuff.

585
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,920
But him talking about them
children and all the stuff

586
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,360
that's going on right now in our
real world, the anger and the

587
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,160
disgust that I was feeling
thinking about that because that

588
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,920
we used to say stuff like, oh,
that was back in the 1700s.

589
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,640
Oh, that was back in the day.
But no, it's still happening.

590
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,800
It is still happening.
And it's so that I was watching

591
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,040
that and I was just disgusted.
And that's.

592
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,000
Why?
I said it was a lot hatred.

593
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,840
And I was just like.
Oh, this is.

594
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,480
I hate this and then when she
got the stab and I was like

595
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:37,720
thank.
You, yeah.

596
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,840
Thank you.
But you know what she she did

597
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,160
do, though, he said.
I really need you not to be

598
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,080
spoken to, not to speak it less
spoken to.

599
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,120
And guess what?
She was quiet.

600
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,240
She was.
She didn't say not a word.

601
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Not a word, Not a word.
But, you know, actions.

602
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,640
Speak louder.
Yeah, it does.

603
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,320
She need to talk And I.
And she said something that I

604
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,960
always say, and I feel guilty
because, you know, we're, we're

605
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,920
kind of led to believe that
torturing people is, is wrong

606
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,800
and very unethical.
But when she said I should have

607
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,360
let him suffer a little longer,
I'm like, yes, why do people

608
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,400
just kill folks and not let them
drag?

609
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,120
Drag it out?
Let the suffering happen for a

610
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,880
while.
Especially when you've caused

611
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,800
suffering to somebody else in
that way.

612
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,080
I mean, if you think about it,
Jane at that time was probably

613
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,000
somewhere between 9:00 and
12:00.

614
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,840
Yeah, because what color was
like what, 5?

615
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,480
Yeah, or something.
So if you think about that,

616
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,960
yeah, it again, it was a lot and
and granted, we didn't have to

617
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,320
see the violence.
Thank God.

618
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,880
We heard it and I I'm so sorry.
I'm with Claire on this one.

619
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,880
Yes, yes, yes.
And if they start doing that now

620
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,640
to people, maybe this will stop,
you know what I'm saying?

621
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Because like.
The whole other conversation.

622
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,800
Yeah.
But I mean, you, you see it

623
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,720
happening in other countries.
Where was it?

624
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:11,200
I saw one country.
I can't remember because I've,

625
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,600
I've literally been kind of
tuning out the news, but there's

626
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,120
a country, some country, Asia, I
want to say Korea, China, one of

627
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:27,160
those two where they executed 3
people in the street for child

628
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,680
molestation.
Yep, Yep, I do.

629
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,320
I think I remember that.
You're like, oh, we're we're

630
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,160
going to show y'all that this is
not acceptable.

631
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,400
OK, that best.
In jail, they have a, they have

632
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,680
a crime.
Not hierarchy, but they're

633
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,800
certain they do.
You just don't do.

634
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,080
And that's one of them You just
don't do.

635
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,200
So like it, it blows my mind and
so watching, watching this stuff

636
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,280
that that was hard, 'cause I
just, that poor baby and her

637
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,720
sister kept her protected all
that time, you know, 'cause Oh

638
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,960
my God.
Because it will even the way

639
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,320
that he even the way he talked
about Jane after that he was

640
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,520
like, Oh yeah, that investment
is probably still paying its,

641
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:15,280
you know, that I was like, oh,
somebody I like Jamie had good

642
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,200
self-control.
He.

643
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,600
Did.
He had good self-control because

644
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,400
and, and again, this had, I
think this has to do with him

645
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,280
being a military man.
Yeah, he knows.

646
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,320
He notch, he, he, he can keep it
down a notch because he's trying

647
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,200
to get the information.
But, you know, we had to, you

648
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,320
know, that had to make him sick
to sit there and have to pretend

649
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,000
like, oh, yeah.
Well, whiskey is not the only

650
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,720
business I'm I'm into.
I'm looking to expand.

651
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:46,760
Where did you get the girls?
You know, his skin probably

652
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,960
crawled having to having to say
those words.

653
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,720
Yeah.
And the thing about Jamie, he's

654
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:56,480
definitely grown.
Yeah, a few seasons ago he was

655
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,360
looking at Brianna Strange when
she got, you know, attacked.

656
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,600
And so he has definitely grown
and starting to understand stuff

657
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,880
in a different from a different
lens versus being a man from

658
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,200
1700s.
And I, I think that that really

659
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,120
has shown like that he's like,
you know what?

660
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,080
You know we going to do what we
going to do.

661
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Let's go And then he didn't even
like he didn't say nothing clear

662
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,160
I.
Was like assassin that we got to

663
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,520
go.
No, he just killed the other guy

664
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,400
and was like OK, time to go.
Got to go right, just throw him

665
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,640
in he probably didn't even
recover the bodies probably

666
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,200
didn't do anything.
He was just like, OK, they.

667
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,080
Ain't deserve no recovery.
Look, look, they are probably

668
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,880
criminals anyway.
Ain't nobody going to ask.

669
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,160
They're probably going to be
like, oh, they probably give

670
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:39,960
somebody over.
Yep.

671
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,720
Right.
Plus, if that miss, if that

672
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:47,680
misses Abbott, who ran the
brothel, knows what kind of man

673
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,960
he is.
Chances are whoever finds him,

674
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,280
they're going to know what kind
of man he is too.

675
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,320
And they're going to be like,
oh, he brought this on himself.

676
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,320
So, but OK, we're going to get
away from this faith speculation

677
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,800
now 'cause I, I think we're all
in agreement, the three of us,

678
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,280
that this is not Jamie and
Claire's faith.

679
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,520
And we're just going, we're just
going to see how the story plays

680
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,960
out.
We're gonna see we don't have to

681
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,040
necessarily like it.
We don't have to be comfortable

682
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,280
with it.
But I'm curious enough to say,

683
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,400
OK, where are they going with
this?

684
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:26,560
Yeah, you know, but morning
after they wake up and they're

685
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,640
having their conversation and we
hear children behind the door

686
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,080
now.
Wait wait wait wait wait wait

687
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,120
what?
And then OK, before then we have

688
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,720
our beginning credits, which
y'all know I am notorious for

689
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:43,880
skip.
Like I hear that I'll listen to

690
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:48,200
how the song is being.
That's every show though, And

691
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,240
this time I, I was about to, I
said no because I'm going to get

692
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,400
me some good hints, so let me
watch this.

693
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,960
Oh, the opening credits.
Yeah, the opening credits.

694
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,200
So I was like, oh, I'm so
excited.

695
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,000
Oh, 'cause you know, it starts
off with I'm your true home of

696
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,840
your heart.
That's the last thing they were

697
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,920
talking about before we got the
opening credits.

698
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,160
And the next thing I saw the
Fergus sign and I was like, Oh

699
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,520
yes, I'm so excited.
I'm so.

700
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,720
Glad they're back.
I mean I knew they were coming

701
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:20,680
back because I saw the post when
they were on set but still it

702
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,880
was like it made my.
Heart so indeed, when I saw the

703
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,360
sounds like oh, oh, and I was
thinking, oh, we go get this

704
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,960
this season.
I'm so excited for this season,

705
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,520
all these kids, but it was the
next the the next scene.

706
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,280
I was like, I love it.
I know, I love it.

707
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,600
I'm so glad we have them.
And then it's so funny because

708
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,760
Fergus has taken up printing, so
he's doing a good job.

709
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,000
I like how Jamie was sitting
there.

710
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,840
He he's looking at Fergus like,
this is my child.

711
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,480
Let me go knocking on some, some
walls.

712
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,080
What's going on?
And Fergus just sitting there

713
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,960
looking at him, like, what you
doing?

714
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,280
And when he finds the seditious
papers, he was like, you know,

715
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,840
the British don't don't take
Kylie to sedition.

716
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,680
Oh, pot, kettle.
Hello.

717
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,360
Yeah.
He's like, bro, I do, I'm doing

718
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,200
what you taught me to do.
And and and wasn't disrespectful

719
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,480
about it at all.
He was just like, I'm just doing

720
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,440
what you taught me to do.
And he was like, yeah, but you

721
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,920
have a family.
So did you?

722
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,040
Well, my family wasn't that
Edinburgh at the time.

723
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,400
You still had a family and was
there.

724
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Do you see what?
You see how that happened?

725
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,240
You know how that worked out for
him?

726
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,040
He was in the print shop when he
went, went up in flames.

727
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,240
But yeah, I, I love seeing them
together.

728
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,280
We didn't get enough of them
because, of course, then Jamie

729
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,160
and Claire are on their way back
to the Ridge.

730
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,200
But the interesting thing about
Fergus and Marsley and their

731
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,120
family, so they are in Savannah
in the show.

732
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,080
In the show, they were in
Wilmington.

733
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,320
So there was a lot more back and
forth because I think there was

734
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,280
several trips where Jamie went
from the Ridge to Savannah to

735
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,600
Wilmington back to Savannah.
So I think they're cutting a lot

736
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,120
of that out and they're kind of
condensing it again.

737
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,400
They only have 1010 episodes
this season.

738
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,600
Go tell the bees that I Am Gone,
which is the 9th book that they

739
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,160
are basing most of this series,
most of this season on.

740
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,720
It's a lot.
It's it's a lot.

741
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,560
So I think they're condensing
some stuff.

742
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,400
So moving them to Savannah.
I like it because that means

743
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,440
they're closer to Jamie and
Claire, I think.

744
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:43,480
And then, yeah, I just, I was so
happy to see them and to see all

745
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,480
the kids and to see them kind of
getting along together and

746
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,120
having fun.
And I'm just looking at it like,

747
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,040
we don't have enough of them in
this episode.

748
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,640
It's only 10.
No, we, yeah, it was really

749
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,520
quick, but I I understood they
were just trying to say this is

750
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,240
what they're doing.
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,080
This is their life, better be a
lot more.

752
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,560
Yeah, yeah.
But I, I like it because again,

753
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:18,240
this is them coming back to the
Ridge, which again, is kind of

754
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,760
weird because you went from
Philadelphia all the way to

755
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,720
Savannah and then you're going
to North Carolina.

756
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:26,080
It's like you're doing this.
But I guess you wanted to go see

757
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,160
Ferguson and Marsley first, And
why they're not in Wilmington, I

758
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,000
don't know.
But we got to see a lot of old

759
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,080
faces in this episode.
We got to see Marsley and and

760
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,600
Ferguson, the kids.
We got to see Lizzie and her,

761
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,280
well, technically not new baby
'cause she had the baby.

762
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,920
She was pregnant when Jamie and
Claire left the Ridge.

763
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:58,760
But I think the best thing for
me was the hello the house.

764
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,920
Hello.
The house?

765
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,840
Yes.
'Cause we knew they were coming

766
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,360
back.
We knew Rodger and Brianna and

767
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,400
the kids were coming back.
We knew it.

768
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,960
But it's still, I don't know,
it's kind of like to have them

769
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,840
all in one episode together.
Granted, it would have been

770
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,840
great for Ferguson, Marsley and
Brianna and Rodger and all of

771
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,400
them to have been together in
that way.

772
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,960
But just the fact that we got to
see them all and Claire and

773
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,120
Jamie is like, for them to go
through what they went through,

774
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,520
thinking that Faith was a lot,
was alive and then killed, and

775
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,120
then to actually reunite with
Brianna and Rodger and the kids,

776
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,240
that just felt so good to me.
Like we needed that.

777
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,280
And I hate to say it, I have a
feeling we're we're going to

778
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,400
need that because I, I do know
that there are some dark things

779
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,000
coming in this season.
But of course, but of course I

780
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,240
wasn't sure what they were going
to do with this season.

781
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,400
But some of the things that they
introduced in this episode.

782
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,440
And again, there are certain
clues that as a book reader, you

783
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,480
know, OK, some shit's about to
happen.

784
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,120
I was just like, OK, I'm going
to take all the, I'm going to

785
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,680
take all the feel goods I can
get, but we going to go to

786
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,200
another one of Michelle's notes
and Michelle's screen name

787
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,880
because.
Well, the reunion, we get to the

788
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,360
reunion of the family because
you know, when we saw the

789
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,440
preview and we saw her turn and
be like, I really didn't even

790
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,120
think who that was.
You know, I didn't think it was

791
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,320
Brianna and Rodger.
I don't know why.

792
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,320
I thought it was like a surprise
guest or something.

793
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,000
We gonna be like, man, that's
from like five seasons ago or

794
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,680
something.
No, I, I wouldn't.

795
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,800
But then it would probably be
them.

796
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,680
Or it was going to be.
I felt like it might be William.

797
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,920
And see, that's what I thought.
Or like a surprise guest.

798
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,120
But as soon as she, as soon as
she I saw the look, I didn't

799
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,240
realize who it was because the
last thing we saw them was we're

800
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,320
going home.
And we knew which home that

801
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,560
meant home with the family.
Yeah.

802
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,200
Back in the day, but.
Here's my question.

803
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,560
Where is Buck?
I want my Buck.

804
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,640
Well, I mean, I know what I know
what.

805
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,280
I know what happens to him in
the books.

806
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,160
I know what he does in the
books.

807
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,280
Was he?
From what time was he?

808
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,760
I can't remember what time he
was from.

809
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,400
He was from the 17th.
He was from a few years before

810
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,440
that.
Before where they are now.

811
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:36,440
OK, he.
Disappeared in oh, matter of

812
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,800
fact, the the year before that.
He disappeared in 1778, OK.

813
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,360
Well, he hanging out with mom
and dad.

814
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:49,800
At Craig and Dune.
I want Buck to be in this

815
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:55,480
timeline with them because I
loved that that bromance that he

816
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,920
and Rodger had.
Like I really loved what they

817
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,680
did with those two characters
and how they kind of built that

818
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,040
bond.
And I'm, I'm kind of sad now

819
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,960
because I feel like Rodger needs
someone that's, even though

820
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,680
that's technically his like
great, great, great, great,

821
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,880
great grandfather, he's closer
to his age than Jamie is.

822
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,040
And I feel like Rodger needs
that sometimes.

823
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,000
He needs someone that's, that's
closer to his age that he can,

824
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,000
you know, that he can confide in
and that he can, you know, have

825
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,760
around.
And I'm, I'm a little sad that

826
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,240
Buck's not there.
And Buck knew he can't keep

827
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,760
traveling to his heart
condition, which is why he

828
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,440
needed to just make that one
last trip and just be known with

829
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,640
it.
He could have.

830
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,760
What is he gonna do in the
1930s?

831
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,160
He is out of place.
I guess he'll adapt.

832
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:48,000
And I guess he'll just watch his
mom and his daddy from afar.

833
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,240
Cause yeah, but I wanted him
back.

834
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,360
I was hoping that would be a
change that they would make from

835
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,600
the books, so I'm a little sad
about that.

836
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,960
But we do get the kids.
Claire and Jamie finally get to

837
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,840
meet Mandy, which is great.
And.

838
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,400
Jimmy is huge.
That kid has grown so much.

839
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Yes.
Jamie was like Jeremiah, you got

840
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,240
so tall.
Oh.

841
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,200
Yeah, you can be all of us.
He's almost high teenager now,

842
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,960
right?
Right.

843
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,040
But OK, let's let's let's talk
about, let's talk about.

844
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,960
Brianna, because here we go,
Here we go.

845
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,720
OK, so we.
Had a note from Bri.

846
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,680
Bri.
First you got a you got a

847
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,960
Raggedy Andy doll, A Raggedy and
doll.

848
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,560
So we have to go back in the day
when she was making things too.

849
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,400
So we gonna, you know, I'm OK
with her bringing.

850
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,840
I'm over.
I'm really OK with her bringing

851
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,480
her Mama book because you know
her mom.

852
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,720
Claire did the same thing when
she came back.

853
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,160
You know, I'm saying she made
that outfit with all the

854
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,040
pockets.
She had medicine.

855
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,800
I understand that because
Claire, guess what will hide it

856
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,960
if Claire has to, she would eat
the pages so nobody will know

857
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,600
where that book came from.
But no, your daughter does this

858
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,800
instead of creating a book, you
know the book.

859
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,440
So you could create some books
for your child when you get to

860
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,160
the past, but instead you bring
the most colorful book of all

861
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,680
and popular Goodnight Moon.
I said, you know what?

862
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,680
I had this pause and write
Goodnight Moon on the piece of

863
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,800
paper that damn Brianna bringing
all this shit again.

864
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:43,120
Why they they brought that book?
Because in the book it was 1

865
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,400
fish, 2 fish, red fish, blue
fish that.

866
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,520
Was That's even worse in the
book.

867
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,320
Gotta bring a Doctor Seuss book.
Oh my goodness.

868
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,200
Oh.
She brought and then she

869
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,960
brought.
Lord of the Doggone rings so.

870
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:58,080
It's I know I love that though.
Sis, they have to hide this

871
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,360
stuff from regular people.
Right, they too.

872
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,320
We're in the theater cracking up
when when we saw The Lord of the

873
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,680
Rings.
Because of course, if you read

874
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,560
the books, you know she brings
these things.

875
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,040
And even even when I read the
book, I was like, Lord, was the

876
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,080
was the matches not enough of a
a of a?

877
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,320
The airplane you know, you know.
But it's it's the airplane that

878
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,360
could that could be a figment of
your imagination.

879
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,320
The fact that you created
matches and those matches were

880
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,080
what burned down your parents
house.

881
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,120
Correct?
Can y'all please stop trying to

882
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,040
incorporate the future into the
past?

883
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,520
Why would you bring those books?
Bring a roll of toilet tissue if

884
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,120
you're going to bring something.
Some more penicillin.

885
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,160
I'm I'm just.
Saying something useful, and

886
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,440
granted that's the Merc manual
is great, but it was so funny

887
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,800
because Jamie opened it up and
he read a passage.

888
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,560
He was like, so you mean to tell
me in your time, the most that

889
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,040
they've learned from their
medical training is not to put

890
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:03,680
shit in your mouth?
But which is funny because what

891
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:08,680
he doesn't understand is they
was dying from from shit in

892
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,720
their mouth that they didn't
realize was in their mouth.

893
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,280
And so that's what's funny about
him is just like he takes

894
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,640
everything super literal and
doesn't you know, he just like

895
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,000
this is ridiculous.
This is stupid.

896
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,480
I'm like.
Bro, that's the kind of thing

897
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,800
that happens when you don't have
toilet tissue.

898
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,800
You should have bought some
toilet tissue, some bottled

899
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,480
waters or something, I don't
know.

900
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,200
No, I wouldn't have been bottled
because what?

901
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,240
They were in, what, the 80s?
When they were back?

902
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,640
Were they in the 80s?
Yeah, OK.

903
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,160
But still, you don't want to
bring plastic to the 1700s.

904
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,400
Right now that it wouldn't have
probably been you.

905
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,200
Think he was going to a witch
trial back in the early 1700s?

906
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,560
You definitely would then,
'cause they'll be looking like,

907
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:50,440
what the hell is this?
But then the interesting book

908
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,600
comes out.
Rihanna has brought another book

909
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,960
with her to the past and she
gives it to Claire.

910
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,520
And Claire looks at it and the
title of the book is Soul of a

911
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:06,440
Rebel and what was it, the
Scott, the Scottish The Scottish

912
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,600
Participation in the American
Revolution or The Scottish

913
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,800
Contribution to the American
Revolution?

914
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:17,000
Written by 1.
Franklin W, Randall P Just.

915
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:23,200
How about I didn't remember that
she never told him that

916
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,000
Blackjack and Frank looked the
way?

917
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,400
Why would she they?
They were.

918
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,960
I didn't remember that.
It was.

919
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,560
I didn't either.
And I thought, I thought.

920
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,000
You would.
I just knew.

921
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,680
No, I.
Thought you would, Mitch, that

922
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,680
pillow talk.
No, no.

923
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,760
Because why would you?
Why would you tell the man that

924
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,800
you love, the man that you
stayed behind to, to stay with

925
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,720
the man whose child you bore,
the man who you left and came

926
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,000
back to and all this other
stuff?

927
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,920
Why would you tell him that the
person you are going to the

928
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,560
future to see, the person that
is going to be raising your

929
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:08,440
child, is the very replica of
the man who tortured and raped

930
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,680
him there?
There will be no reason for her

931
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,240
to tell him that it's not.
No, but you can say that there's

932
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:16,000
similar.
You could because she even says

933
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,560
she even said it.
Like, I didn't even think that

934
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:23,600
because I knew he was like, in
the beginning, it was like, oh,

935
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,800
they, they look close.
But because Frank is so

936
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,360
different, he looks different to
me.

937
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,160
But she could have that's a
pillow tie right there.

938
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,160
Like, you know, 'cause you say
they related, you know, we can't

939
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,600
and they do look similar like
that.

940
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,440
Never.
Why?

941
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:40,760
Would you have?
Pillow Well, you should have

942
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,520
said it before he got the book
cover.

943
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,840
OK, just should have said it
before he got the book cover.

944
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,920
But she, but she.
Didn't she Didn't know?

945
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,200
But thinking about Jamie though,
I feel like too one of the

946
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,240
reasons she also didn't tell
Jamie back in the day, because

947
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:56,680
Jamie was still super naive and
immature and I think a lot of

948
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,480
stuff she wouldn't tell Jamie
just because of that.

949
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,080
I just never thought about the
fact that they never discussed

950
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,200
that.
Like you literally are looking

951
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,320
at your husband's face every
time you see this man.

952
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,480
You know, this man did this
horrible stuff to your the man

953
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,520
you other man you in love with,
and he did horrible stuff with

954
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,000
you and he was going to do more
horrible stuff if he has that

955
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,480
kept living right.
And then it's like, but he was

956
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,440
just like, yo, man, I don't
know.

957
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,520
I just, I don't know.
At some point I just probably

958
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,200
would have mentioned that I
don't know that I would

959
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,880
necessarily have sat in in a
bed.

960
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:25,920
Yeah.
And I.

961
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,640
And I, it was different.
It would have been different if

962
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,480
it was the other way around.
Like I know Claire told Frank

963
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,440
about what Jamie looked like,
but she kind of would have had

964
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,800
to because her daughter ends up
looking just like him.

965
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,040
So it's kind of like you kind of
got to give the man at least a

966
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,880
warning.
OK, This is, this is what's

967
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,920
about to happen.
I'm, I'm pregnant with this

968
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,520
child, with this man, so you
might be seeing a little bit of

969
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,200
him.
And, you know, the other things

970
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,520
that Brianna says, like, you
couldn't look at me without

971
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,880
seeing him.
Like, yes, it was very much true

972
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,680
for Claire because that was a
reminder for her of what she

973
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,840
left behind for Jamie, for her
to say.

974
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,640
Oh, yeah.
By the way, Frank is the

975
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:19,040
spitting image of Frank Randall.
Can you imagine Jamie having

976
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,320
that in his head, that at one
point Claire was actually

977
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:28,240
married to and in love with
someone that looked like the

978
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,360
person who tortured him?
I I don't think that would be

979
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,720
something like Jamie is a strong
person, but I think that would

980
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,360
be too much for him.
And I do agree that would be too

981
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,840
much for him, but I'm still
going for the fact that what she

982
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:46,960
said, I don't even think she
even realized that there are

983
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:51,360
twins pretty much.
That's because it's not like in

984
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,560
in the books, they're not.
They actually they don't.

985
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,000
They don't even look.
That much alike.

986
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,240
Yeah, because.
And the reason.

987
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,320
And they probably do, but for
her, I get it.

988
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,880
Like the way he looks, it's not
going to be the same.

989
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,960
Yeah, because let's let's be.
They resemble the.

990
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,240
You can tell that they're
relatives.

991
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,840
Like for her, she's like, oh, I
know they're relatives.

992
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,080
And at first, almost thought it
was Frank, but like, the

993
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,720
mannerism, how he treats people
is like, it's so different.

994
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,120
I didn't even think about it.
So she may have been like, I

995
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,800
just didn't think they looked
like that.

996
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,080
Yeah, yeah.
And then for Jamie, like.

997
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:34,080
His mind, it has been years in
his mind for the yeah, he does.

998
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,480
He does.
So any he he sees it.

999
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,120
Oh, I'm on that scene now.
And he's like, well, they'll,

1000
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,280
that's who I have.
Sometimes I have dreams about,

1001
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,480
not in a good way, but you know
what I'm saying?

1002
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,640
Sometimes that comes out and he
still sees them.

1003
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,120
But that's not what she sees.
She walked up behind him and put

1004
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,560
her hands on his shoulders.
Right when he heard Frank's

1005
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,720
voice in this.
I was like, hold up, we're not

1006
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,680
going to do this scene ghost
shit again.

1007
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,320
Like we, we y'all lying around
us.

1008
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Out.
Yeah.

1009
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,120
So yeah.
So like for her, she's like, no,

1010
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,960
like that Frank.
My Frank is a different Frank.

1011
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,240
I see the Frank as the father
who's caring.

1012
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,760
Like she don't see.
Yeah, they are so much alike.

1013
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,120
Even though we give Frank a hard
time and.

1014
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,240
We I do I do I, but I.
Didn't I didn't dislike Frank.

1015
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:30,720
I just, I was so into the hot,
you know, sexy, you know.

1016
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,080
Yeah, but I had to throw Frank
to the curb.

1017
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,920
Yeah.
I don't like Frank 'cause I

1018
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:35,840
know.
Book Frank.

1019
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,240
I know and I don't know book
Frank.

1020
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,400
I know misunderstood Frank.
Book Frank is much though.

1021
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,480
He just misunderstood.
Even if I read he just

1022
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,560
misunderstood.
You gotta understand his life

1023
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:57,280
has gone a different direction.
Book Frank was a hoe he.

1024
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,000
Had to be his wife, don't want
him.

1025
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,760
That's not fair, but I think
it's not fair.

1026
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,080
He wasn't been no whole declare
tried with him.

1027
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,320
You can't try like that.
He was trying to sleep with me.

1028
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,120
We already said this before.
He already know when he slept

1029
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,560
with Claire after Jamie.
There's it's a difference.

1030
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,120
He slept with Claire before.
It'd be different if this was

1031
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,560
his first time sleeping with
Claire was after Jamie, but he

1032
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,360
slept with her beforehand so he
knows when she's connected to

1033
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,280
someone.
She slept with them after, and

1034
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,120
she could pretend all she want
to.

1035
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:39,200
Yeah, OK.
But it wasn't coming out right.

1036
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,560
So you know what that man was
like.

1037
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,040
I ain't even fooling with her.
I ain't fooling with her.

1038
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,040
But I'm going to.
I'm going to stay here.

1039
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,680
I'll.
Take care of this baby.

1040
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,880
Take care of this child that
ain't even mine.

1041
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,160
But you know what?
A man that you be.

1042
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,320
She probably called Jamie name
out in her sleep a few times.

1043
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,680
You don't know.
I mean, she was sitting in the

1044
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,320
bed, pleasuring herself right
next to him.

1045
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,280
So in the book.
No in the.

1046
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,680
Show OK, 'cause if she also did
that in the book and you

1047
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:14,560
wondering why he a hoe?
We gotta, we gotta, we gotta

1048
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,040
think about some things, you
know, I don't.

1049
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,320
I don't remember that far back
because it's been a while since

1050
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,400
I read those earlier books.
But even in the show, it's it's

1051
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,920
one of those things, those
things where I feel like Frank

1052
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,440
could have given her more time
because, I mean, this is a woman

1053
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,880
who not only, yeah, she fell in
love with another man.

1054
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,120
That's something that you got to
deal with.

1055
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,960
This woman was in a whole
different time period.

1056
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,400
This woman went through wars,
she went through assaults.

1057
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:54,080
She went through losing a child.
If he had been a little more

1058
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,880
patient with her instead of
forcing the issue, like, you

1059
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,800
really gonna see him get upset
because she has her eyes closed

1060
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:01,920
during sex?
Really.

1061
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:07,480
Like you could have just gave
her a little bit, yeah, but

1062
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,200
could have worked out a little
bit better for you.

1063
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,320
You could have been a little bit
more happy.

1064
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,200
Right.
But we can say the same thing.

1065
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,240
We can say the same thing with
her too.

1066
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,760
You have to.
Yeah, we can say the same thing.

1067
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,920
But she but at least she she
tried.

1068
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,560
She.
Tried and he and the sad part is

1069
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,200
he did try too and it just
didn't work out and.

1070
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,240
Like in the show too, you could
tell that they had kind of kind

1071
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,440
of was even before she would be
hot back, you know, back in time

1072
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,360
that you could tell that even
though they were in love, they

1073
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,600
were they have been away from
each other for so long because

1074
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,920
of the war that they had already
been kind of pulled apart so.

1075
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:52,280
So Frank is like 12 years older
than her if I'm not mistaken, so

1076
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,480
that could have been a thing
too.

1077
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,640
I mean, yeah, that's that's a
whole.

1078
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,640
That's a whole.
You see what I'm saying?

1079
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,720
This would cause no matter.
It's just a tragedy because she

1080
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,520
can't be with who she want to be
with.

1081
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,520
And she only went back to
protect her child.

1082
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,160
And then he can't have who he
had in The Who he fell in love

1083
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:12,520
with.
Yeah.

1084
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,880
He with someone who would never
love him.

1085
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,800
Yeah.
And if she did love him, it's

1086
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,840
just a peace and not the love
that you everyone wants to get

1087
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,520
from someone.
Yeah, yeah, it's understood now.

1088
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,760
I don't know the stuff he doing
with these books and and all the

1089
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,120
things he does on the side, but
you know, so.

1090
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,120
So let's talk about curious.
He he got curious.

1091
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,480
That's all I can say.
He got curious.

1092
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,440
Let's talk about this book
because again, this is a book

1093
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,800
Claire had no knowledge of
because this was published after

1094
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,000
she and Brianna left the first
time or the second, one of them

1095
01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,720
times after Claire went back,
this was published afterwards,

1096
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,760
so probably sometime in the 70s
or in the 80s.

1097
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,360
It was published posthumously
for Frank.

1098
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,280
So she had no clue about this
book.

1099
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:15,720
And Jamie is is reading it
because of course it's talking

1100
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:20,040
about the Scottish culture in
the North Carolinas, just

1101
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,280
talking about how the Scott, how
the Scottish contributed to the

1102
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,080
American Revolution.
So it's it's really speaking to

1103
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,800
him, which of course strikes
everyone weird because they're

1104
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:35,040
like, did Frank at that point,
you got to say, did Frank know

1105
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,520
something?
Because, yeah, Frank was a

1106
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,400
historian.
He did his research.

1107
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:46,240
But for him to do research that
is so specific and so close to

1108
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:51,240
what Claire experienced you, you
had to kind of figure like, OK,

1109
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,720
something is going on with this.
Like he's doing this for a

1110
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,640
reason.
And then when they're having the

1111
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,720
conversation and he asked her
about Frank, he was like, why

1112
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,520
didn't you ever tell me that
Frank and Blackjack Randall

1113
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,160
looked alike?
It's just like, you know, I

1114
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,480
never thought about it because
like you said, Michelle, he they

1115
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,320
were two different people.
You know, like I said, we rag on

1116
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,680
Frank all we want, but Frank
really was for the most part, a

1117
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,640
kind person until you piss them
off, right?

1118
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,360
Right.
Blackjack Randall just had he

1119
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,680
had evil coming out of his ears,
except for when it came to his

1120
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,200
brother.
It's it's like they were exact

1121
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,160
opposites.
You know what I'm saying?

1122
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:38,680
But then he asked her.
He says, can Frank be trusted?

1123
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,160
Can I trust him?
And Claire is looking like

1124
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:47,680
that's a weird question to ask.
Like Frank is dead and 200 years

1125
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,200
in the future.
Dad, what are you talking about?

1126
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:55,280
And Jamie is like, I've been
reading his book, and so far,

1127
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,640
he's mentioned the name James
Fraser 14 times.

1128
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,800
Claire's like, excuse me, what
do you mean?

1129
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:07,840
Like, what is he saying?
And he drops the bomb on her,

1130
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,960
which is crazy because early in
the episode, he was talking

1131
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,520
about, oh, I don't care what the
war does, I'm done with it.

1132
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,440
I was like, OK, famous last
words, Jamie Fraser.

1133
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,080
What does the book say?
The book says that war will come

1134
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:26,520
to the Backcountry in a year's
time and that James Fraser dies

1135
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,160
in it.
I know Claire was like how many

1136
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,720
lives is this 123?
Right, 'cause we have died in

1137
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,880
the fire already before.
He's died in the fire.

1138
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,520
He died on a boat.
He technically should have died

1139
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,360
from a snake.
From a snake bite.

1140
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:45,880
He should have died at
colliding.

1141
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,160
He like at this point, how many
lives does Jamie Fraser have

1142
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,000
left?
Because you know.

1143
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,640
Messing up the timeline.
Jamie is jacking the timeline.

1144
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,240
He he should have been dead a
long time ago.

1145
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,560
Claire keeps saying and and
using her modern medicine when

1146
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,160
he should have died from
something else.

1147
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,280
And you know, yeah.
Listen, I'm.

1148
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,400
I'm just.
But yeah, OK, so that's the big

1149
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,360
bombshell.
Frank says that Jamie's gonna

1150
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,760
die in about a year's time.
So I'm like, I remember reading

1151
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:23,520
that in the book.
And I was just like, if you kill

1152
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:28,520
Jamie, if you kill him, I'm
gonna be so mad.

1153
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:35,560
I will be so mad.
But it's like we already see

1154
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,160
things are different on the
Ridge.

1155
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:44,200
When they come back, they come
back in, in and the, the people

1156
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:48,040
on the Ridge, they rebuilt
Claire and Jamie a new house,

1157
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:52,840
really nice house.
They have a trading post now by

1158
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,000
the by the meetinghouse and
they've got all this kind of

1159
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:03,480
stuff going on.
And we, we have Hiram Crombie,

1160
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,640
who I was like, what was the
last time that we saw him?

1161
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,880
Was that like, I guess it was
season 7 but he was one of the

1162
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,520
Fisher folk I think.
Or he might have been one of the

1163
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,680
ARS mirror man.
I don't remember at this point,

1164
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,319
but.
He called him Mcdoo, didn't he?

1165
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:24,000
No, that was Evan Lindsay.
Oh, Evan Yeah.

1166
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,439
Called him Mcdoo.
Yeah, he, he's one of the ARS

1167
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,479
Mirror man.
So yeah, I think Howard probably

1168
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,479
was one of Tom Christie's
people, one of the Fisher folk.

1169
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,120
Oh yeah.
But yeah, that that was

1170
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,560
something else.
That was kind of condensed

1171
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,560
because the whole thing with Amy
McCallum being Amy Lindsay, now

1172
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:46,640
we kind of see that relationship
take its course in the books.

1173
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,040
So here it's like, oh, they got
married while Claire and Jamie

1174
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:55,800
were gone.
OK cool so you have them with

1175
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,120
this little trading post and it
looks cool.

1176
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:01,479
It's very weird because Jamie
and Claire are like OK y'all did

1177
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,920
a lot while we were gone like.
Like a lot.

1178
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,160
Y'all built a store, y'all got
whole mansion, whole bunch of

1179
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:11,920
stuff going on, which is cool.
But then you get this new dude

1180
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,960
who comes in and he seems very
charming at 1st.

1181
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,479
And it's so funny because when
when he introduces himself

1182
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,120
Charles Cunningham and he talks
to Jamie and he's getting ready

1183
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,760
to leave and Jamie was like, Oh
well, I'll walk out with you.

1184
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,800
Him and Claire exchanged a look.
Like, I ain't too sure about

1185
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:34,040
this dude.
And I think Jamie already at

1186
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:38,080
that point probably suspected
him of being a British soldier

1187
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,840
because I know Jamie was
probably going through that

1188
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,600
mental rolodex in his mind.
Like, I don't remember any

1189
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:48,040
Captain Cunningham's on the
rebellion side.

1190
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,680
So then they, they're having
that conversation.

1191
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:58,120
He was like, yeah, after, after
30 years of serving in His

1192
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:05,200
Majesty's Army, Jamie Stoppen
was like, so a year ago we would

1193
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,080
have been on the battlefield
against each other.

1194
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,400
That dude was like, look, I
don't like war any more than

1195
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,560
anybody else does.
I'm I'm glad to be done with it.

1196
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,440
I'm retired.
I'm, I'm through.

1197
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:22,080
Jamie was like, yeah, we gonna
have to keep an eye on him.

1198
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,920
I was just like, OK.
And then his mother shows up.

1199
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,480
Listen.
Honey.

1200
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:43,840
Listen, I have never wanted
Claire to punch somebody so much

1201
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,640
in my life, not even Lionel
Brown.

1202
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,320
How dare you come up to the
house?

1203
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,240
You don't even know the people
who are who are there, who are

1204
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,480
living there.
You come to speak to Mandy.

1205
01:10:55,680 --> 01:11:00,280
It's like, where's your father?
You start just being nasty.

1206
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,520
To her nasty talking about.
Nancy talking about just and

1207
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,880
yeah, slaughter.
I was like, wait a second,

1208
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:11,720
listen, hold on a second, I.
Wanted Jamie and or Claire at

1209
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,520
this point I wouldn't care less.
You know what, Jamie?

1210
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,000
If you need to slap a woman for
putting her hands on your

1211
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,560
grandchild, by all means slap
her 'cause.

1212
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,840
How you going to be mad about a
child being rude when you came

1213
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:25,720
up here?
Nasty as you want to be, just

1214
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,200
being natural.
Hands on a child you don't know.

1215
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,560
And don't even know this baby
that would have.

1216
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,000
Been like eviction notice.
Right, take your Mama and her

1217
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,320
witchy ass on somewhere that
made me saying.

1218
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:46,160
Wicky, Wicky, listen.
And Mandy had it right because

1219
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,840
again, as soon as she came on
the screen, all I saw was the

1220
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:54,640
black bonnet.
I was in the theater and I just

1221
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,280
looked at this guy.
I said this bitch here, my

1222
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,400
friend who was sitting next to
me, she just started laughing.

1223
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,480
She said, oh, I take it you are
well acquainted with this woman.

1224
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:08,520
I was like, girl, you have no
idea.

1225
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,960
I'll see.
And that's another thing when

1226
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:14,360
when the new characters came,
all in my mind, I was thinking,

1227
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,400
OK, I have to ask Hanukkah on
the side.

1228
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,760
Nina, I need to know what
happened in the book.

1229
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:24,000
Is this somebody that I'm gonna
have to have a issue with?

1230
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:29,560
And now you tell me I am.
She's going to be irritating.

1231
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,320
She's going to be irritating
because.

1232
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:39,440
Going to hell.
She's she one of those religious

1233
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,720
folks.
And then again, like, like her

1234
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,240
son said, her son fought on the
British side.

1235
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,920
They know that Jamie is a rebel.
And if Frank is talking about

1236
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,560
wars coming to the Backcountry,
that means that at some point

1237
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,200
they're going to be on opposite
sides again.

1238
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,920
But yeah, she, she's one of
those characters.

1239
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:03,520
Like, she can be a nasty piece
of work, but then she'll do

1240
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,360
something like drop off some
cincona bark and just turn

1241
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,920
around and walk off.
And it's like, huh.

1242
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,600
Because she she really does give
mixed signals.

1243
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,480
Like she's nasty.
And then she'll do something

1244
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,800
nice here, and then she's really
nasty and she'll do something

1245
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,920
kind of sort of nice there.
Or she's one of those mixed

1246
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:28,200
bags.
But it's kind of like, I don't

1247
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,680
know, because I was going to
compare her to Medina Bug and

1248
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,560
say she's like Medina Bug on
steroids.

1249
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,880
But but Missus Bug was actually
a sweet old lady.

1250
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,040
She was only nasty to people
that she didn't like and that,

1251
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,920
you know, threaten, threaten
around the phrases.

1252
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,840
She was like, OK, whatever.
I don't like you.

1253
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,360
No, this this woman here is, I
don't know.

1254
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,800
It's like she wakes up with a
lump of coal in her socks every

1255
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,480
morning.
She, I don't know, she's nasty,

1256
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,160
but you can just tell it even
from her brief introduction on

1257
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,040
the screen.
Like, I'm not gonna like this

1258
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,080
bitch.
I'm not gonna like her.

1259
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,520
So, yeah.
But yeah, I, I really wanted

1260
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,000
somebody to hit her.
I at this point, I would have

1261
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,200
been OK with Mandy getting her.
I was going to say it could.

1262
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,040
Have been Mandy and she would
have desired.

1263
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:19,320
Mandy, all I got all, all I'm
going to say is that she gets

1264
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,040
lucky.
Brianna wasn't there because

1265
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:26,280
Brianna would have hauled off
and hit her and she Lucky Claire

1266
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,640
and a black Mama because it
would have been all over.

1267
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:34,480
It would have been all over.
You come up on my property.

1268
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,600
My property my and.
Talking nasty to my

1269
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,520
granddaughter, Who you, you
don't even know.

1270
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,360
You just like, where's your
father?

1271
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,640
You.
As far as you know, I don't even

1272
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,120
exist.
Nobody, even nobody on the Ridge

1273
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,920
even knows I'm back.
They don't even know who I am

1274
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,600
because I was still a baby when
Brianna left with me.

1275
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,160
So nobody really knows who she
is.

1276
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:00,440
You come up, you get nasty with
her and then you slap her and

1277
01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:03,160
then you got the nerve to mouth
off to her grandmother, her

1278
01:15:06,440 --> 01:15:07,520
bitch.
Please.

1279
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:13,720
When I say yeah, I was ready.
I was like, OK, I was like,

1280
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,720
Brianna, where you at?
I know you hiding around the

1281
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:19,080
corner somewhere.
No, because her child with her

1282
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:20,720
parents and she trusts her
parents.

1283
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,040
But I'm sorry, I think Claire
and Jamie are getting them.

1284
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,840
Well, I don't know if I want to
say Claire's getting a little

1285
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,240
too nice considering she shanked
somebody in the beginning of the

1286
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,640
episode, but.
You could have done a lot of her

1287
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:36,680
harm was done for the episode.
I I guess, but that slap would

1288
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,640
not that that would have been a
love tap.

1289
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,080
She would have been all right,
she would have been alright.

1290
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,400
Because I get, I guarantee you.
She slapped Mandy hard.

1291
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:49,920
Let me tell you, I was ready to
fight.

1292
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:59,000
I was ready to fight.
Oh my God, I was ready to fight.

1293
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,960
Like, why are you in my face,
old lady?

1294
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,680
Just stand over there and just
wait.

1295
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,360
Maybe I'll go get a grown
person.

1296
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,160
But that's not how you came.
You ain't come right, ma'am.

1297
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,160
Yeah, she she going to be a
character this season.

1298
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,600
I can, I can tell you now.
But we'll get into a little more

1299
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,160
detail about her couple of
episodes on.

1300
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:23,560
But let's step away from the
Ridge 'cause we we got to talk

1301
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:29,520
about my boy William, my PO
baby.

1302
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:36,200
He does not handle grief and and
and trauma and and

1303
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,600
disappointment well.
Also he he got back about my

1304
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,840
Lord John Gray because I do not
like how he treats his daddy

1305
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,280
and.
But you know what?

1306
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,680
No.
John Gray handled that because

1307
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,440
he, I think he's been giving
William leeway because he's

1308
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:54,720
like, OK, this boy just found
out that his father is not who

1309
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,240
he said he was.
He is not who he said he was.

1310
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,880
He had to go find the girl that
he was kind of sort of in love

1311
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:03,840
with, you know, had committed
suicide because he didn't quote

1312
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,200
UN quote, do what he was
supposed to do to protect her.

1313
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:09,760
I think Lord John has just been
kind of giving William some

1314
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,360
grace.
But at the end when William was

1315
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:16,720
saying all this stuff and he was
like, look, I don't care what

1316
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,800
you decide to call yourself,
whether you going to be Ransom

1317
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,920
Gray or Fraser, you going to go
apologize to this girl, right?

1318
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:31,440
This girl being right, This girl
being Amaranthus Gray, Who is

1319
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,560
the cousin?
I mean, who is the wife of

1320
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,040
Williams?
Cousin Ben, who we have not met

1321
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,360
in the show, but we have met
Ben's father and we have met his

1322
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:44,520
brother.
He is the son of Lord John's

1323
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:49,200
brother Hal, and he is the
brother of Henry, the soldier

1324
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,760
who was injured last season, who
was in love with Mercy Wilcock.

1325
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,920
So that's Ben is the older
brother.

1326
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:05,480
So apparently Ben was captured
by rebel forces, caught some

1327
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:09,440
kind of infection while he was
being held prisoner and died.

1328
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,040
And this young lady who claims
to be his wife, shows up on Lord

1329
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,480
John's doorstep with the baby,
you know, claiming that she's

1330
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:19,680
destitute because of what
happened to her husband.

1331
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,120
Lord John takes her in.
Of course, when we first

1332
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,040
introduced to all of this, Lord
John is dealing with the baby,

1333
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:29,760
and British soldiers are
bringing a very, very drunk

1334
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,920
William to the house.
And when William looked at the

1335
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:38,120
baby, he's the Lord John was
like he just he's the baby is

1336
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,760
teething.
And William was like yours,

1337
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,680
Lord.
I was like, surely you just

1338
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,640
like, excuse me, No, who?
Who would I have baby with?

1339
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,480
But I forget that William
doesn't know about his father.

1340
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:57,160
So he, you know, William has to
deal with this new baby and

1341
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,040
finding out that his cousin is
dead.

1342
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:03,080
And then, you know, he's
basically calling the girl a

1343
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,560
trollop, like, oh, she's an
opportunist.

1344
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,960
She shows up on your doorstep
with a baby and claims it's Benz

1345
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,840
and you don't know and blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.

1346
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,360
And in comes the lady in
question and she promptly goes

1347
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,120
off on William.
So that's when Laura John was

1348
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:22,320
like, look, I don't care what
kind of situation you in what he

1349
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,760
tell.
He said he was trying to get

1350
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:29,680
William to go to dinner with him
at one of the British officers

1351
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,760
houses.
And William was like, I know

1352
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,600
what you're trying to do.
I don't understand why you're

1353
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,040
trying to get back in the army
when you didn't like me being

1354
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,880
out of it.
And Lord John was like self pity

1355
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:43,600
and wallowing does not suit you.
Like you've been a drunk for a

1356
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,000
year.
I need you to get your shit

1357
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,240
together and go back to England,
right?

1358
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:48,400
Right.
And do something.

1359
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:52,440
Do something with yourself.
Right out in the streets acting

1360
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:53,840
a fool.
Right.

1361
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,120
And, and I get it.
He's still upset about the whole

1362
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,440
Jane thing.
And then, of course, last season

1363
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:03,080
we find out Ezekiel Richardson
is a traitor.

1364
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,760
He's a turncoat.
And he also tried to have

1365
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,520
William kill so well, he has a
lot on his plate right now

1366
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,680
because he's also actively
trying to find Ezekiel

1367
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:17,960
Richardson.
But Lord John was like, look.

1368
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,440
I understand you upset, I
understand you going through an

1369
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:24,880
identity crisis, but whatever
the fuck you decide to call your

1370
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,720
name, you going to go apologize
to that girl?

1371
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,360
He was like, because I don't
care who you are, what you

1372
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,480
decide to call yourself, no
father would allow you to talk

1373
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:35,360
to that woman that way.
And I insist you going right

1374
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,240
yourself.
I said, oh, there's the Jamaica

1375
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:42,160
governor right there.
Because you were raised better.

1376
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,200
Pretty much you were raised
better.

1377
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:49,280
Stern when he wants to be.
I was like, oh, I like this.

1378
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,680
He turns around and walks out.
And then you see William cleaned

1379
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,720
up.
He goes to talk to Amaranthus

1380
01:20:57,160 --> 01:21:00,520
and you know, he's, he's a lot
nicer to her.

1381
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,640
He apologizes to her.
They share some nice words about

1382
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:04,760
Ben.
And I'm just sitting here

1383
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,720
looking like this is going to be
an interesting story.

1384
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,120
I'm just, that's all I'm going
to tell y'all.

1385
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,600
Our story is interesting.
And I don't know how much of the

1386
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,160
book stuff for her they're going
to put in the show.

1387
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:20,680
If they do, we going to meet a
whole lot more Laura John's

1388
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,280
family.
And it's about to get really,

1389
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:26,040
really interesting.
I don't trust the trailer.

1390
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,560
How?
But I was OK.

1391
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,280
You know what my first thought
was?

1392
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,920
What?
Please don't fall for her.

1393
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,840
I mean, I need him not to get
seconds.

1394
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,960
You already know.
That was about to happen.

1395
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,280
I'm I'm.
But I need him to fall in love

1396
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,920
with someone original who don't
have a kid, who ain't in love

1397
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,600
with someone else.
I.

1398
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:51,280
Can't even get possible on it.
Yeah, like can y'all give him a

1399
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,720
love of his own?
No.

1400
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:59,480
Oh man, I knew it.
As soon as soon as she came in,

1401
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,120
I was like, he gonna fall for
her.

1402
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,960
Here we go again.
His cousin's chick.

1403
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,320
Really.
That's a allegedly.

1404
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:13,320
That's a complicated story.
I I bet it is, but I don't care.

1405
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:17,080
I just need him not I just need
him to find his his own person.

1406
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:19,960
I don't know.
The last time he found his own

1407
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,840
person, it didn't, it didn't
work out for him.

1408
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:26,200
So I, I don't know, I think, I
think William well.

1409
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,040
He needs to find himself.
Yes, that's what I was going to

1410
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,120
say.
I think he needs to mature.

1411
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:37,280
And like you said, he he can't,
he can't know how to act if he

1412
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,400
doesn't know who he is.
And I do agree with him on that.

1413
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,840
You know, for, for everything
that we say, William has gone

1414
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:50,280
through a complete identity up
haul in the last year.

1415
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,400
He's he's, he's in, in an
upheaval.

1416
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:57,120
He doesn't know if he's a great,
if he's a ransom, if he's a

1417
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,000
Fraser.
Like there's so many things

1418
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,880
about him that he doesn't know,
so many things that I think he's

1419
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:08,040
been told about who he was.
The now he's questioning even

1420
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,800
the conversation he had with
Jamie last season when he was

1421
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,080
asking about his mother.
And he said, you know, they,

1422
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,200
I've seen pictures of my mother.
They told me she was beautiful

1423
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,360
and reckless and wild and blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.

1424
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,840
And Jamie was like all the
people that knew her.

1425
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:27,840
They only ever told you bad
stuff about her.

1426
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,520
They didn't tell you the good
stuff about her.

1427
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:36,880
So if this is all you've grown
up hearing your entire life and

1428
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,640
the one person who you're kind
of sort of mad at for abandoning

1429
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,840
you is telling you you no, your
mother was kind, she was bold,

1430
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,920
she was curious, she was
courageous.

1431
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,160
How do you take that?
Especially if you're somebody

1432
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,200
who I, if I remember correctly,
I think William is supposed to

1433
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:59,080
be about 17 ish, technically
1718 somewhere around there.

1434
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:06,320
So you're still immature. 1 Two,
you just had all this stuff

1435
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,200
happened to you with your
identity, find that you're not

1436
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,920
who you think you are.
Three, you've also had the

1437
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,720
tragedy and the trauma on top of
all of that.

1438
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,400
So when do you need to take some
time?

1439
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:24,920
He need to go touch some grass
and just kind of learn who he

1440
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,360
is.
Well, that's the problem I had

1441
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:31,280
with him though, because the
person you want, the person

1442
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,040
who's going to probably be the
best.

1443
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,680
Person for you to learn who you
are.

1444
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:40,200
You treat like shit and you
don't talk to him and then you

1445
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,120
know, because your dad can tell
you who you are based on how he

1446
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,400
raised you, right?
Like Lord John.

1447
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,880
I mean, he could just be like,
well, you were like this when I

1448
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,040
started raising you, blah, blah,
blah.

1449
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,920
But you really need to talk to
Jamie because when you was

1450
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,520
running around as a little kid,
Jamie was your homeboy.

1451
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:59,320
Like he knows from birth.
But you you treat him like he I

1452
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,200
will never he never asked for
that.

1453
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,960
He didn't ask for that.
But like and like you said,

1454
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,840
because he's young, he's
immature, he's angry, but he's

1455
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,320
not going to learn who he is
until he talks to Jamie because

1456
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,080
he can't talk to nobody else
because his family don't even

1457
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,320
know.
And Laura John and Jamie is the

1458
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,200
only one that know from that
group of people.

1459
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:18,880
So who he go?
He going to have to talk to

1460
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,920
Jamie.
So I, I hope that I hope that

1461
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:26,640
his relationship, what we see of
him now with Lord John, it looks

1462
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,440
like for the most part they have
mended their relationship

1463
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:31,320
because he was mad at Lord John
too.

1464
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:36,520
So I'm hoping that means that he
will come around, especially now

1465
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,160
that, you know, you think about
Jamie.

1466
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,080
You're like, OK, Yeah.
This is the person who is my

1467
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:43,040
father.
Yeah.

1468
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:47,000
I don't want to call him dad,
But you have genuine affection

1469
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:50,760
for your stepmother.
And Claire, you have a curious

1470
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,480
interest in your sister, who you
just realized, like, when y'all

1471
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:56,440
went to go rescue Jane.
Oh, my God.

1472
01:25:56,440 --> 01:26:00,200
That's my sister.
You realize there's more of you

1473
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:04,200
out there in the world and the
only way he's going to be able

1474
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:08,160
to I, I feel like, like you
said, get to know who he is.

1475
01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:10,640
He's going to have to go around
these people.

1476
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:16,480
But again, this is a, this is
also a guy who grew up very

1477
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:22,200
privileged, you know, basically
silver spoon in the mouth.

1478
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,320
He's not used to having to
really fight for anything.

1479
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:35,920
So you got what, 171819 years of
this one big lie and you've only

1480
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,000
had a year to deal with it so
far.

1481
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,200
Yet it might take him a little
bit more time and then you're in

1482
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,120
the middle of a war in the midst
of all of this.

1483
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:51,120
You know, now you have your your
cousin, your, your dad, cousin's

1484
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:54,680
wife and child in your, in your
space.

1485
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:58,920
So he just, he has a lot of
things coming at him at once.

1486
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:05,800
And, you know, they don't deal
with mental health for young men

1487
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,640
in the 1700s Just, I mean, they,
they barely do it now in the 20

1488
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,000
twenties.
I was about to say, yeah, really

1489
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:16,160
happen now.
He really doesn't have a healthy

1490
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:20,480
way to express what he's dealing
with.

1491
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:23,160
Like you said, Nina, he has
nobody to talk to.

1492
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,520
I think he could probably talk
to Ian if he can get over the

1493
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,160
fact that Ian and Rachel are
married.

1494
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:35,880
So there's that as well.
He is because Jane was his last

1495
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,640
conquest.
So maybe he he's moved on from

1496
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,280
Rachel because Jane, you.
Right.

1497
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,360
Maybe, but I mean, but he still
has that thing because he

1498
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,760
thought he and Rachel had a real
connection, which they did.

1499
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:54,920
I even said, like the way that
they kind of showed the scenes

1500
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,880
in the show, I would have
thought they were pushing more

1501
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,480
for Rachel and William together
because you saw them bonding

1502
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:04,480
more than you saw her in bonding
at first.

1503
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:10,560
So but he he got a lot to get to
get through and he has no

1504
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,360
therapist to help him get
through it.

1505
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,120
So we're going to have to give
William some grace.

1506
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,600
But I need him.
I'm going to need him to stop

1507
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,320
going out getting drunk because
obviously he can't hold his

1508
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:26,440
liquor.
I was like, William, if you

1509
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:30,880
trying to, if you trying to spy
and find out where Richardson

1510
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,280
is, this, this ain't the way for
you to do it, baby, because

1511
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,800
you're not you're not doing a
good job.

1512
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,160
You're not doing a good.
Job not cut out.

1513
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,520
Not cut out for the drinking
games.

1514
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,920
No, no.
And what is brag anyway?

1515
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,120
Like, how do you play that game?
Is that something where you're

1516
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:52,480
actually bragging about stuff?
Like maybe it's it's it's no

1517
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:55,480
wonder, look, it's no wonder
he's drunk because he probably

1518
01:28:55,480 --> 01:29:00,120
doesn't have much to brag about
if that's how the game is

1519
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:01,280
played.
I don't know.

1520
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,080
But yeah, I'm gonna need, I'm
gonna need women to get it

1521
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:06,160
together.
And I'm going to be like

1522
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,880
Michelle.
I need him to not fall in love

1523
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,480
with Amaranthus.
I need you to kind of speak by

1524
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:15,440
yourself and fix yourself
because the last thing you want

1525
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:20,240
to do is bring all this baggage
to someone who has her own

1526
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:26,800
baggage, including a 2 legged
baggage that that's under a year

1527
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,000
old she.
Right.

1528
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:30,800
Y'all, y'all don't.
Those two worlds don't need to

1529
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,120
collide at this point.
They really don't.

1530
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,080
Honestly with him feeling the
way he feel about being a child

1531
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,920
of, you know, raised by somebody
else, you know, right now I want

1532
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:45,080
to be a step dad, my brother.
I don't know, 'cause I don't, I

1533
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,320
don't think it's the, it wasn't
the fact that he was raised by

1534
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,480
someone else because he's always
known that Lord John wasn't his

1535
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,840
father.
It was just the fact that his

1536
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,400
identity, like, OK, y'all are
telling me that I am the 9th

1537
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:02,840
Earl of Ellesmere.
And this man even, you know,

1538
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,880
biologically isn't mine.
And he even said something to

1539
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,040
that effect because he wants to
give his title back.

1540
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:10,880
And Lord John was like, no, you
can't do that.

1541
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,520
He was like, you mean I
shouldn't know?

1542
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,360
I mean, you can't.
You can't do it.

1543
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:20,520
I was like there is no type of
law that exists for you to give

1544
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:24,560
up a pier and she said that is
something given by a rector

1545
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:30,040
monarchy and the only way that
they can take it away is for you

1546
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:34,160
to turn coat.
He was like, you mean to tell me

1547
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,600
in order to deny my inheritance
I got to be a traitor?

1548
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,040
What kind of BS is that?
Hey, it is what it is.

1549
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:44,720
This is where we live in.
Your Mama was married to the 9th

1550
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:49,840
to the 8th Earl of Ells Mayor.
By law, you are the 9th Earl of

1551
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,800
Ells Mayor.
What are the air do about it?

1552
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:56,360
You are the baby, you are the
father.

1553
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:03,640
I mean, there's nothing they can
do, but I I'm hoping he will

1554
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,080
take some time.
He will think about that last

1555
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,560
conversation he had with Jamie.
Yes.

1556
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,840
When Jamie, you know, basically
told him the good things about

1557
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:16,160
his mother and also was like, I
don't, I don't regret you.

1558
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,440
I I, I don't regret.
I, I regret that she died.

1559
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:25,840
I, I will, you know, I will pay
my penance for that, but I don't

1560
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,720
regret you.
Oh, Speaking of which, can, can

1561
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,840
we talk about everybody taking
blame for everything that they

1562
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:33,600
don't need to be taking blame
for?

1563
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,040
Can can we stop doing that,
Jamie?

1564
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,720
Jamie has the Catholic gift, he
going to take the blame for

1565
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:42,320
everything because he got that
Geneva was.

1566
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:46,800
Not your fault.
She blackmailed you and I I get

1567
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:47,720
it.
He doesn't want to.

1568
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,280
He doesn't want to say that.
Yeah.

1569
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:55,240
You don't have to like the fact
that he really believes that it

1570
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,840
was her fault.
I mean, that it was his fault

1571
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:01,840
and she died as punishment.
Do I need you to get over that?

1572
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,360
She blackmailed you.
She literally was like, you can

1573
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:09,400
come sleep in my bed or I can
tell everyone that you're red.

1574
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,560
Jamie, you won't have anything
to send back to your family.

1575
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:20,440
That's not your fault, Jamie.
You know Fanny thinking that

1576
01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:25,480
Jane died because she killed,
she killed the the captain for

1577
01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:27,200
protecting her.
She was like it's my fault.

1578
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:31,000
No, it's the dumbasses fault
that was trying to do stuff to

1579
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,200
you that was his fault.
Yeah.

1580
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,240
William.
Yeah.

1581
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:37,920
It's that's what I was trying to
protect her.

1582
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,680
I was, I I swore to protect her.
What were you supposed to do?

1583
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,760
You got kidnapped, homeboy.
And as I mentioned, she took her

1584
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,080
own life at that point.
Like she didn't even wait to be

1585
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:49,600
executed.
So what?

1586
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:51,560
You couldn't fight her against
that?

1587
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:57,280
No, because because again, she
knew they were they they were

1588
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:01,920
going to make an example of her
regardless. 26 times?

1589
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:05,880
You really think she stuck
around to to stab that man 26

1590
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,840
times when she had a screaming
sister to take care of?

1591
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,880
No, I can guarantee you she
didn't do that.

1592
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:16,240
The British probably came in and
finished him off that way so

1593
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:20,160
they can pin it on her.
But even without that, yeah, you

1594
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:21,720
promised you were going to look
after them.

1595
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:26,240
You got kidnapped.
Hence your whole revenge against

1596
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:29,400
Ezekiel Richardson.
Right now, that man had you

1597
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,240
kidnapped and tried to have you
killed.

1598
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,800
How you going to protect anybody
when your head is under a bag

1599
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,120
and you got cuffs on your hands?
Yeah.

1600
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:44,720
I need people to stop blaming
themselves for stuff that's not

1601
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:47,720
their fault.
Claire.

1602
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:53,520
Even being upset about the whole
faith thing, Jamie was like you.

1603
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,800
You told me you held our dead
daughter in your arms.

1604
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:00,040
So it wasn't you.
Somebody else did this mess.

1605
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,720
It's just yeah, I I need y'all
to stop taking the blame for

1606
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:11,040
everybody else's faults and, and
get some healing done.

1607
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,200
They need therapy.
I'm.

1608
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:15,000
I'm going to take Michelle's.
Michelle said they need some

1609
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,960
therapy.
A little bit.

1610
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:21,560
He was therapy.
Yeah, they're not going to shoot

1611
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,880
to the show, but you know they
need it.

1612
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,240
But but a book, A counseling
book Back with her, too.

1613
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,240
Yeah, then Roger Mack didn't
bring back none of his Bible

1614
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,360
books, or none of his.
Right, right.

1615
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:41,720
Preacher Books.
Yeah, but instead we got

1616
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:43,280
Goodnight Moon.
I'm gonna leave it alone.

1617
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:49,320
Goodnight Moon.
It looks like.

1618
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,000
What did she say?
It looks like a painting.

1619
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:52,280
It looks.
Like a paint.

1620
01:34:52,800 --> 01:35:00,920
A painting, Oh Lord.
Jesus, because I was like, OK,

1621
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,600
bringing out books from the
future in front of your parents

1622
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:09,240
is one thing, Yes, Y'all got a
whole strange little girl

1623
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:11,760
sitting at the table.
Strange to Brianna and Rodger

1624
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,040
and the kids.
Y'all don't know who this child

1625
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:18,360
is and y'all just going to pull
this stuff out in front of her?

1626
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:20,160
Yep.
Yep.

1627
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:24,720
And then and then afterwards be
like, I hope, I hope the book, I

1628
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:27,000
hope reading the book in front
of Fanny is OK.

1629
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,080
Do you think it's a little too
late to worry?

1630
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,440
About that Bree, Bree, you
couldn't wait till the kids in

1631
01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:34,520
bed.
Right.

1632
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,000
And also, why do we have a talk
with them?

1633
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,640
Damn kids, they can't have stuff
from the future.

1634
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,520
Thank you.
Jimmy is Jim.

1635
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:46,600
Jim can.
He can understand, maybe.

1636
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:51,400
Not but he knows, but Jim, he
knows he got good sense, but he

1637
01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:54,000
also know the routine.
He knows what to do.

1638
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,800
So here's the question and and
it it literally just came up on

1639
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,720
my screen.
Her, her holding the doll.

1640
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:10,680
So you remember when they went
through the stones to go look

1641
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:17,760
for Roger and Amanda felt her
father through the stones and

1642
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,120
she ran towards him in the
stones.

1643
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,960
Do you remember that she dropped
her doll before she got to the

1644
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:27,600
stones stop to pick that doll
up?

1645
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:32,840
Because the last time, last time
I looked, Jim and Brianna were

1646
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,280
both running to the stones.
They weren't thinking about that

1647
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:39,520
doll.
So so So where did that all come

1648
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,400
from?
Did they go back and decide?

1649
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:45,080
They did go back home because
they went back home and gathered

1650
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:48,640
all the books, remember?
She got, she got she, she pulled

1651
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:52,560
those books and stuff off before
they went to go find Roger

1652
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,840
because you see her pulling Soul
of a Rebel off the bookshelf.

1653
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,080
I do.
But did she know already that

1654
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:02,080
she was going to go home?
I feel like they went back to

1655
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:07,040
the house and got prepped.
I I think she took something for

1656
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:11,400
them just in case.
I think she probably already

1657
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,920
thought or already figured that
she was going to go to her

1658
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:18,480
parents if she couldn't find
Rodger because it wasn't safe

1659
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:20,160
for her to be at Lala Brock in
their current.

1660
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:22,640
Well, she should have got a
Bible for Roger.

1661
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:24,000
Then she wouldn't even think
about him.

1662
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:25,760
Well no, because remember
Rodger?

1663
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,920
Rodger stopped ministering when
they got to the 1980s because.

1664
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,600
I'm just talking about you want
to pick out some books when she

1665
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,640
got books for everybody.
They got Bibles in the 1700s.

1666
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:36,920
I know, but you know, here's
some books now.

1667
01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:42,440
They got bottles in the 1700s.
You may want to read the 1982

1668
01:37:42,440 --> 01:37:50,320
Vogue 1 was his favorite.
No, no, we all see.

1669
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,240
Because Rodger wasn't doing the
ministering when he was back in

1670
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:57,720
the 1980s, and it looks like he
may start that back up.

1671
01:37:58,480 --> 01:37:59,880
Or you may need to do some
counseling.

1672
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:02,160
That's all I'm saying.
She if she was going to prepare,

1673
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:03,640
she need to prepare a little bit
more.

1674
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:08,120
That's one of the first things
Jamie asked him was about that.

1675
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,960
Yeah, but maybe, you know,
people need some comfort or

1676
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:14,960
something.
But also I kind of feel I, I

1677
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,680
understand what Rodger said
because Rodger was like, I

1678
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,040
couldn't be a minister when I
went back because I had, you

1679
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:21,600
know, he was like, I had so many
doubts.

1680
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:26,120
I had so many questions like
how, how is all this possible?

1681
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,880
If, you know, I think he, he
asked a question like the

1682
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,560
existential question, like how's
all this possible If, if God

1683
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:37,400
exists and you know, like
there's, there's a certain order

1684
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,720
to things.
And I don't think time travel

1685
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:44,280
was mentioned in the Bible.
So Rodgers, like, I don't know

1686
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,880
how I feel about this stuff yet
or now I should say.

1687
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:52,000
But I guess we'll see how how
that's about to go.

1688
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:56,920
I have a feeling we don't need
it in next episode 'cause they

1689
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,520
gonna need some therapy.
They're never gonna need some

1690
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:01,160
therapy.
No, wait.

1691
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:05,160
Yeah.
So Jamie is reading the book.

1692
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,200
He mentioned something about a
telephone, didn't he?

1693
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:12,760
Yes, yes, he reads it from the
thing and nobody questions.

1694
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:17,840
What's the telephone?
That is just looking like, and I

1695
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:20,640
get it, they probably thought,
OK, you know what, this is a

1696
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,680
girl who has grown up in a
brothel her whole life.

1697
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,520
There may be some things that
she has not been exposed to.

1698
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,760
I can get it if that's what they
were thinking.

1699
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:33,560
But still, I think it's very
careless for them to just be

1700
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,240
because, because what are you
going to do?

1701
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,240
What are you going to do on the
rest of the Ridge?

1702
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,960
Are you going to tell the kids,
oh, you can't pull this book out

1703
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,720
in front of everybody else?
Have you even taken the time to

1704
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:47,480
explain to them that, like, Jim
is different because Jim grew up

1705
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,000
in that time before they went
back to the future.

1706
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,480
So I think he understands a
little bit better.

1707
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:58,080
Mandy, she was a baby.
She's only ever known the 1980s.

1708
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,440
That girl going to need a crash
course before she has the whole

1709
01:40:02,440 --> 01:40:03,840
family.
Look, they're going to come and

1710
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,040
burn the new house down
thinking, oh, we're about to

1711
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:10,280
burn down a house full of
witches because why?

1712
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:15,520
Why they they could have, they
could have done something else.

1713
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:20,360
I mean, Can you imagine how
confused a historian or an

1714
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:24,880
archaeologist is going to be
when they start digging around

1715
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:31,080
North Carolina?
In the 1800s of the 1900s and

1716
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:36,440
they say huh oh this looks like
a plumbing system right here

1717
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:45,640
like a homemade plumbing system.
Oh wait our our talking right?

1718
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:53,640
Hey, how did this get there?
Y'all just opening up the whole

1719
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:55,840
can of worms and then you got
you you out.

1720
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:03,640
You already see what the
consequences of you having shit

1721
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,720
out that don't need to be out.
You have to sit here and tell

1722
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:11,200
Jamie about Rob Cameron.
And Jamie is like, so you're

1723
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:12,800
saying he found some of our
letters?

1724
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:17,320
So not only does he know where
we are, he knows when we are.

1725
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:22,360
So what's keeping him from
coming after y'all now?

1726
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:26,760
And Brianna's like, I don't know
if he if he can time trap.

1727
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,280
Yep.
I need you to be a little less

1728
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:34,040
nonchalant about this.
You need to say, well, he

1729
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:37,040
shouldn't want to come after me
because I almost popped his ass

1730
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:41,720
with, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I understand Jamie.

1731
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:42,600
OK.
Yeah.

1732
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,640
OK.
Well, I'll go and hide the gold

1733
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,720
and he'll have to come through
me, blah, blah, blah, blah,

1734
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:52,200
blah.
That that's not even like the

1735
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:55,080
big point.
The big point is the fact that

1736
01:41:55,160 --> 01:42:00,880
y'all are being so careless
about this time travel thing and

1737
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:05,280
about what y'all are allowing
other people to see.

1738
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:11,960
All you're doing is putting
everybody in danger because how

1739
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:13,760
how are you going to explain
those books?

1740
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:18,040
As much as people come in and
out of Jamie and Claire's house,

1741
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,720
they have so many people living
with them at a time or so many

1742
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,360
people doing this.
What you going to do?

1743
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:32,040
How you going to explain that?
I just, I, I don't know.

1744
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:38,200
I, I just it, it's, it's very
careless to me.

1745
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:42,600
I just.
Oh, yeah.

1746
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:47,240
Scotland's influence of the
Scottish roots of the American

1747
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:51,120
Revolution.
That's what the book says, but I

1748
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:54,080
don't know, I just, I, I need
y'all to stop bringing shit from

1749
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,920
the future.
Can we, can we stop doing that?

1750
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:04,120
Oh goodness, what else do we
have to talk about?

1751
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,720
I don't, I don't, I think, I
think we got everything.

1752
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:13,200
I think we, I think we focused
on the, the most important part

1753
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:17,960
is mainly being the whole faith
because I, I think really

1754
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:20,720
everything else, I don't want to
say it was just feeling because

1755
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:24,600
it wasn't just feeling.
Oh no, we got, we got

1756
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,480
information.
But I think until they explain

1757
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:33,200
it properly, I feel like that
Faith thing is going to kind of

1758
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:36,960
over shadow everything else,
especially because now you're

1759
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,560
trying to decide whether or not
you should even tell Fanny about

1760
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:42,840
the possibility.
And I understand what Claire

1761
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:45,680
says about no.
If we tell her she's not going

1762
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:47,760
to understand it, then we're
going to break whatever trust

1763
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:51,680
she already has in us.
But even with that, now you're

1764
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,440
bringing Brianna into the fold.
You're telling her about it,

1765
01:43:54,440 --> 01:43:57,720
which I don't even remember if
she ever had a conversation with

1766
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,960
Brianna about Faith.
At least she didn't in the show.

1767
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:06,400
I don't, I don't recall them
talking about it in the books.

1768
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:08,720
So it's just kind of like, oh,
OK, yeah.

1769
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:10,920
So by the way, let me tell you
about Fanny and your sister

1770
01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:14,520
Brianna is like, OK, I know I
come from future, but this shit

1771
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:17,760
sounds ridiculous.
Like how do you.

1772
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,960
Yeah, I think, I think that that
one little mystery is going to

1773
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:25,360
over shadow some of this stuff
until we find out what it is

1774
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,800
'cause it's all anybody's going
to talk about, 'cause you either

1775
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:30,720
have people who are intrigued by
it or you have people who are

1776
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:36,600
really, really pissed off by it.
So I don't know.

1777
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,440
Yeah, I hope they don't drag it
on.

1778
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,280
I don't.
I don't want it to be like a

1779
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:44,520
constant thing and.
I don't.

1780
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:49,240
Again, they have 10 episodes.
You have a lot of material to

1781
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:53,600
cover, especially because you've
introduced quite a few new

1782
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:57,880
characters in this season.
So, and you introduce them in a

1783
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:04,280
way that suggests they're going
to have kind of significant

1784
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:08,080
storylines this season.
So you can't spend too much time

1785
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:09,520
on that.
That's, that's almost like the

1786
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:15,680
whole, the whole thing with
Malva's pregnancy and her murder

1787
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:18,160
and all that stuff.
We were hoping they wouldn't

1788
01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:20,200
drag that out either.
And they took care of that

1789
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:24,240
fairly quickly.
So I'm hoping they'll do the

1790
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:28,760
same thing with this because I I
just need to know so I can so I

1791
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,480
can wrap my brain around
whatever it is that y'all are

1792
01:45:31,480 --> 01:45:35,080
doing and I can put it to rest
and then I can enjoy the rest of

1793
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:37,640
the season, which I'm a do
regardless, but still that

1794
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,920
that's kind of like a is, is
that thing that's hanging over

1795
01:45:40,920 --> 01:45:43,520
your head.
Yeah.

1796
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:49,160
So you guys have any final
thoughts about the episode?

1797
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:53,080
Because we have some other stuff
to talk about briefly, but.

1798
01:45:56,640 --> 01:46:03,200
I, I do think that using that
Claire seeing somebody show up

1799
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:07,240
on the Ridge was kind of a let
down that it was only Brianna

1800
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:11,480
and Rodger now because I really
wanted some like juicy like.

1801
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,760
Something.
Oh yeah.

1802
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:17,160
We I'm glad.
I'm glad it was them because I'm

1803
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:20,000
glad they made it back and Lord
knows I didn't want them to go

1804
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:22,280
through more trouble getting
back home.

1805
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:25,520
But I'm also like, Dang, I
really needed some juicy

1806
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:28,240
character.
Somebody new, something good be.

1807
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:32,360
Careful what you wish for.
Well, I didn't get an old lady

1808
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:36,480
crazy and young hotty toty with
a baby, so I don't know.

1809
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:40,560
I mean, be careful what you wish
for.

1810
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:44,440
Oh, oh, the two guys hanging in
the Ridge.

1811
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:49,560
Oh, yeah.
So question about that, was that

1812
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:52,880
done by people who actually
lived on a Ridge or was were

1813
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:54,840
they saying that the British did
that?

1814
01:46:56,480 --> 01:47:02,080
So I think if I remember
correctly, I think what we're

1815
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:05,760
going to find out because Jamie
is still kind of reacquainting

1816
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:10,560
himself with the Ridge.
I don't think Cunningham is the

1817
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:13,520
only ex British officer on the
Ridge.

1818
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:19,840
OK.
And then if I'm not mistaken,

1819
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:26,080
the whole thing with the war in
the Backcountry, I think that

1820
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:29,480
has to do with the the
individual militias in the the

1821
01:47:29,480 --> 01:47:31,560
neighboring towns and
settlements.

1822
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:35,440
And I think some of them are
loyalists, some of them are

1823
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,240
rebels.
So you're going to get some

1824
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:43,320
conflict.
So apparently somebody maybe on

1825
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:47,560
the Ridge who, you know, don't
like the loyalists, they strung

1826
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:49,480
those folks up.
I don't know if those were

1827
01:47:49,480 --> 01:47:53,800
residents of the Ridge or if
they happen to be trespassing or

1828
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:58,080
I don't know what the case is,
but, yeah, I don't think that

1829
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:01,840
bodes well for Mr. I I'm done
with war.

1830
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:03,680
Yeah.
It's.

1831
01:48:03,720 --> 01:48:07,720
It's literally on your land and
in your backyard.

1832
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:13,800
So.
Yeah, I yeah, But I'm sure that

1833
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:17,160
was a joke too.
It's kind of like damn I just

1834
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:19,560
got home and y'all hanging
people on my land.

1835
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:21,880
Yeah.
Yeah, and then in a really

1836
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:25,680
terrible way too, and having
stuff in their forehead and.

1837
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:31,080
Right, like I just left war and
this is probably more gruesome

1838
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:33,120
than anything I I witnessed in
the war.

1839
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,280
At least with war.
And I hate to say this 'cause he

1840
01:48:36,360 --> 01:48:38,800
gives him an at least war
civilized.

1841
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:43,160
I mean, it's into A to a degree
'cause they let you take your

1842
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:47,840
dead off the field and and come
back the next day preparing for

1843
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,480
another round kind of thing in a
lot of cases.

1844
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:54,600
But yeah, but that, that was a
bit, that was a bit much.

1845
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,120
So I forgot all about that.
Yeah.

1846
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:05,600
But so, yeah, last week I got to
go to New York.

1847
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:11,880
I got to sit out in the freezing
cold for two kids so that I

1848
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:17,920
could attend the the red carpet
premiere and screening of the

1849
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:21,000
first episode of Outlander.
I got to see it four days

1850
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,360
before, you know, the the rest
of the world did.

1851
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:27,920
That was a fun experience.
It was very interesting because

1852
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:29,560
this is the first time I'm 50
years old.

1853
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,400
I've never camped out overnight
in my life for anything.

1854
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,880
I've never done the I'm sitting
outside for concert tickets.

1855
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:37,920
I've never sat outside for
Jordan's.

1856
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:40,000
I've I've never done that
before.

1857
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:45,240
So going into this whole
process, there was like there

1858
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:48,880
was an initial sign up.
The sign up filled up within

1859
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:54,320
like 4 minutes via e-mail or the
online sign up process and then

1860
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:58,080
you got a confirmation.
The confirmation says hey you're

1861
01:49:58,080 --> 01:49:59,880
on the list, but you're not
guaranteed.

1862
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:03,120
You still have to be aligned by
a certain number of time to get

1863
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:04,760
vouchers.
OK.

1864
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:11,600
So what happened was we went in,
we got into the New York Sunday

1865
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:15,240
afternoon.
We decided to go see Harry

1866
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:18,240
Potter and the Cursed Child,
which is phenomenal.

1867
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:22,160
I will just say that even though
it's not Outlander, it was

1868
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,560
phenomenal.
So what we decided after the

1869
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,960
show was we were going to go by
the theater to see if anybody

1870
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:29,840
was sitting outside.
We were like, OK, we're going to

1871
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:32,920
see if anybody's going to be
camping out because it was cold

1872
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:34,800
in New York.
I think when we left the

1873
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:41,760
theater, it had to have been
like maybe mid 20s and it was

1874
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:46,560
cold and the wind was blowing.
So it was, it was, it was pretty

1875
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:47,760
cold.
And you know, we live in

1876
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,520
Atlanta.
We, we get kind of sort of that

1877
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,400
cold, but it's, it's not
constant.

1878
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:57,960
So we go to the theater, it's
around 11:15.

1879
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:02,360
There are already about 200 and
something people in line like

1880
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:08,480
camped out, bundled up blankets,
pizza boxes like they are, they

1881
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:12,360
are there for the night.
So my friend Linda, she takes

1882
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:16,960
the first watch, she stays there
for few hours, I think like 3

1883
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:21,120
hours.
She calls me, I get up, go.

1884
01:51:21,400 --> 01:51:24,200
And we kind of did that back and
forth until 10:00.

1885
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:26,560
That was when I had to pick up
the tickets.

1886
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:31,120
So when we got the vouchers, we
were like #344 and 3:45 in line.

1887
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:35,280
They were only guaranteeing the
1st 500 people to get into the

1888
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:39,160
theater, so you had to be there
by a certain amount of time in

1889
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:41,240
order to get in.
And in the midst of all that,

1890
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:45,280
you got the stars coming in.
You have them decorating outside

1891
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,960
with the posters.
They had a replica of the

1892
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:51,360
standing stones as the backdrop
outside for photo OPS.

1893
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:56,240
It was, it was really nice.
I didn't get to see the stars up

1894
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:59,600
close like I wanted to because
my name was the one that was on

1895
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:01,960
the reservation.
So I stood in line to make sure

1896
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:05,880
we kept our place in line.
But it when I say it was a fun

1897
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:08,360
experience.
I did get to see some of the

1898
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:10,920
stars when they came in the
theater to sit.

1899
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:18,120
Richard Rankin is a ham, is a
total, total ham.

1900
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:22,680
But everyone was beautiful.
It was very emotional.

1901
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:27,080
Matt Roberts got up on stage and
started talking and had people

1902
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:31,360
in the audience kind of sniff.
It was a really fun experience

1903
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:35,400
and I'm glad I got to see, I'm
glad I got to see it on a big

1904
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:37,240
screen because it was like in a
theater.

1905
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:38,880
So it was on a movie theater
screen.

1906
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:43,680
Got to see it with other fans.
Like I said, they were about

1907
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:47,400
maybe all together about 600 or
700 people in there including

1908
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,240
cast and crew.
It was a great experience.

1909
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:53,680
I I wouldn't have traded it for
the world was so much fun, so

1910
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:56,520
much fun.
I wish y'all could have been

1911
01:52:56,520 --> 01:53:00,880
there.
Girl that's standing at that, I

1912
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:04,720
was like, Lord, she out here
doing like she ain't like she in

1913
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:06,840
her 20s out here on these
streets, yes.

1914
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:12,560
I think I prepared fairly well
for someone who is never

1915
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:17,320
experienced the northern winter
because I stopped the weather

1916
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:20,800
pages for like 2 weeks trying to
figure out what the weather was

1917
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,440
like.
Because the weekend before New

1918
01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:25,240
York had a Blizzard.
Yeah.

1919
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:29,960
And so there were literally
spots around the city, like for

1920
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:31,720
the most part, the streets were
clear.

1921
01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:37,080
But then you would come past a
spot that had like snow sitting

1922
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:39,880
five feet high and it was dirty
and it was nasty and it was

1923
01:53:39,880 --> 01:53:43,520
gross.
But I mean, it wasn't as bad as

1924
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:46,360
I was expecting it to be in.
Then I went in layers.

1925
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:50,240
I bought thermals I had on, I
had on like thermal pants,

1926
01:53:50,480 --> 01:53:54,720
leggings and sweatpants.
And then I had on like a thermal

1927
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:58,280
shirt.
I had on a sweatshirt and a, a,

1928
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:01,360
a winter jacket.
And then I had the lining of my

1929
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:04,320
friend's jacket and I had my my
hair.

1930
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:08,640
I was very well bundled up.
So I think for the four hours I

1931
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:12,640
was there the first time in the
morning, I was there from like

1932
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:18,920
2:30 ish 2:45 until about 6:30.
I didn't start getting cold

1933
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:24,480
until like right around 5:45.
I was like, OK, I did pretty

1934
01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:26,160
good.
I was very proud of myself.

1935
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:30,440
I was like, OK, so now I know
how to prepare if they decide to

1936
01:54:30,440 --> 01:54:34,080
ever do something like this
again and, and try to figure

1937
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:36,120
out, but I need them to give us
a little more time because they

1938
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:39,160
only gave us like 2 weeks notice
as far as when they were doing

1939
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:42,160
this and where it was going to
be and trying to plan and get

1940
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:44,520
your hotel.
And like, we didn't even find

1941
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:51,000
out where the location was until
like maybe four days before the

1942
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:54,040
event.
Oh God, yeah.

1943
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:57,040
So she and I, basically, we
thought about all the places

1944
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:00,200
that they've done Outlander
events at.

1945
01:55:00,200 --> 01:55:05,000
Before or or.
Like premieres and we just kind

1946
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,720
of narrowed it down, OK, it
might be at Javits or it might

1947
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:12,800
be here or it might be here.
So we just picked the hotel that

1948
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:15,880
was kind of central to it and
was like, OK, we're going to

1949
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,880
hope for the best.
And it just so happened in the

1950
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:20,960
hotel that we were in.
We were right next door to the

1951
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:24,560
Hudson Theater.
So when we pulled up, they had

1952
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,920
the marquee out because Daniel
Radcliffe's new show was

1953
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,520
starting a couple of days after
we left.

1954
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:32,240
So that was the first thing we
saw.

1955
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:34,080
We were literally in Times
Square.

1956
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:36,400
It was it was just an all around
fun trip.

1957
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:40,760
I wish I could have stayed for a
few more days, but it was worth

1958
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:43,640
it.
You know, I got to see Sam and

1959
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:50,640
Katrina in person and Sophie was
there, Rick was there, Cesar was

1960
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:53,240
there, Lauren was there.
Who else was there?

1961
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:57,760
Izzy was there.
Diana Gabaldon was there.

1962
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:01,000
So if they had a pretty good
turn out for the event, Oh,

1963
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,880
William.
William was there, Charles David

1964
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:07,920
Berry, Lord John Gray was there.
So they had a they had a really

1965
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:11,200
good cast turn out and yes,
those people look just as good

1966
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:13,120
in person as they do on the
screen.

1967
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:15,920
They believe it.
Good looking bunch of people,

1968
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:20,360
yes, but everyone, yeah, it was
a lot of fun.

1969
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:23,560
It was a lot of fun.
So I'm I'm I'm looking forward

1970
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:29,040
to the next event, which will be
I'm going to lancon in October.

1971
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,880
I'm still trying to talk you to
and and to go where Michelle

1972
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:34,040
can't go 'cause she going to be
on another crew on.

1973
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:36,840
Another cruise.
I don't blame you.

1974
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:40,200
I love a cruise girl.
On another cruise, yeah.

1975
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:44,760
There's an Outlander Convention
coming to Austin, TX in October

1976
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:48,160
that I'm going to.
So far they've got a pretty good

1977
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:50,320
guest list.
We got Lord John Gray coming.

1978
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:55,720
We got Will, we got, We got
Galis coming.

1979
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:59,640
We have the new Jenny coming.
We have.

1980
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:03,960
I actually do miss Galis like
she was a she was a great kid.

1981
01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:08,520
Then I'm just, I was so excited
when I saw she was on there

1982
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:10,480
'cause I was like, I know she
got some tails.

1983
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:13,000
I know she got some tails.
I just love, yeah.

1984
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:17,400
I love how I don't even want to
say, well, no, her character was

1985
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:19,520
evil.
But yeah, oh, yeah, she loves

1986
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:21,360
her.
Yeah, I love her.

1987
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But yeah, so we're we're we're
loving.

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I I'm loving all the Outlander
stuff right now.

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I'm so sad that the main show is
about to end, but we still have

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blood in my blood.
And that is a show that I am

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really enjoying.
So yeah, we'll keep covering

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that.
And then I think the only other

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thing we need to mention is the
New York City Podcast Awards,

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because we have been nominated
for an award.

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Yay, we are.
I found this out Friday before I

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left for New York that we are
nominated in the category of

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Best Entertainment and Pop
Culture Podcast.

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The award ceremony is going to
be this Friday night in New

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York, so I will be going back to
New York so I can attend the

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award ceremony.
I'm excited.

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This is the first ceremony I've
been able to attend.

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We've been nominated for other
podcast awards before.

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A couple of years ago we were
nominated for the Black Podcast

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Awards.
So this is a lot of fun to to do

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because they have a, they have a
very strict judging process for

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their submissions.
The submissions have to go

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through two rounds of judging
before before they are

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nominated.
So the fact that we got that far

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in order to be a nominate, in
order to be nominated, I am very

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proud of us and I am excited
about the awards.

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I'm excited about being in that
kind of environment and getting

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a chance to like meet other
podcasters and network.

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So I'm I'm excited about that.
But this is where we need your

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help, listeners, dear listeners
and viewers, there is an

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audience choice award that is a
part of the ceremony and that is

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where you can actually go online
and vote.

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For us.
The vote is daily votes.

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They are taking ballots up until
noon on Thursday, March 12th.

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Again, the the ceremony is on
Friday, March 13th.

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So I'm going to post the link in
the show notes.

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And if you are listening to us
and you want to support us, we

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ask that you please click on the
link, go to the Best

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Entertainment and Pop Culture
podcast category and click on

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Phantom Hybrid Podcast and
submit your votes.

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So with all of that being said,
do you guys have any final

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thoughts about?
Nope.

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All right, we don't see what
this faith stuff is is talking

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about next week, but for now,
that is it for our show.

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You can find us online at
www.phantomhybrid.com.

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We are on social media on all
the social media at Phantom

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Hybrid.
You can chat with us on our

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Discord channel.
You can watch our videos on our

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YouTube channel and you can
listen to us on all major

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podcast streaming platforms.
Thanks for listening.

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We hope you join the
conversation next time.