Outlander (Season 8 Episode 2) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #400

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and Dana, and we
are discussing Outlander Season

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8 Episode 2.
This is our 400th episode.

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Well, that is such a great
milestone.

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Yes, yeah.
Because a lot of podcasts don't

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get to this point.
So yeah, we're here.

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We're talking about Outlander.
And I don't know, this might be

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a short episode cause Michelle
said she ain't got too much to

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say.
No, I'm sorry.

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And I, I, I, I was a little bit,
I wouldn't upset, but I was

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like, OK, we don't have much to
go.

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So I need them to be all filled.
But Hanukkah did say if you're a

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book reader, you would love this
episode.

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I, I think it, I think this
episode was really good for the

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book readers because there's a
lot of things that happened in

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this episode that that happened
in the book.

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Like I knew from the intro when
I saw the bear, I said, oh, OK,

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I know what's about to happen in
this episode because Amy's death

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is kind of big in in the book.
You know, she's not, she's not a

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major, major character in the
books.

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But you know, in the books, of
course, they discuss a lot more

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about the Ridge life and the the
characters because of course you

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have more room to do that.
Whereas, you know, they're

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they're coming down onto the
last few episodes.

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So they don't really have a
chance to kind of expand.

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But for the show, Amy is the
widower, or was the widower that

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Rodger was helping out back in
the day.

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And Brianna was like, hey, you
might not.

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Oh, she is.
Yeah, that's her.

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OK, All right.
Yeah, that makes more sense

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because I was like, I don't
remember this lady.

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Me neither.
I'm like OK.

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Yeah, she's the.
Roger.

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Was helping out a lot when when
she first told him she was

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pregnant with Mandy.
So you know, as we saw in the

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last episode, she's now married
to Evan Lindsay, who was one of

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the guys that we've seen
regularly on the Ridge.

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And then of course, you know
what happens to her in this

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episode.
It it's a big thing and then we

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get a lot of other big things.
We get an introduction to Ben

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Williams cousin and then we kind
of followed that that rabbit

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hole a little bit and you know,
you get some stuff with the

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Cunningham.
So I think it was pulling a lot

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of things from the book.
I think all of those things are

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going to be major in this
season, especially because Jamie

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is thinking about what Frank is
saying in his book about what's

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going to happen in the back
country.

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And I think what they were doing
were pulling elements that'll

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kind of lend to that storyline.
But of course, if you're not

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familiar with most of those
characters, you are probably

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looking at it like, who the hell
is this?

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And why do we care that she got,
you know, mauled by a bear or

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that sort of thing?
Not that, you know, we just kind

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of throw those characters away.
But I can see how it's like,

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yeah, we only have nine more
episodes.

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We need to get, you know, we
need to wrap this story up

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correct?
'Cause I was like.

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I felt bad 'cause I clearly,
they clearly knew her, even if I

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didn't remember her, they had a
relationship with her.

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So I felt bad that she died.
It was really messed up man it.

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Was, I mean, I did too.
And then I was like, OK, but

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now, you know, it makes, you
know, a little bit more sense.

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Yeah, but I still was like, OK,
can we move on?

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I'm sorry.
You don't have much time.

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Very high, very high.
Good.

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Right.
I'm sorry.

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Yeah, I mean, so so we're up
let's go yeah.

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And as we can see that that that
just wasn't happening cause no.

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And I, I think I like the way
that they, they kind of made her

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look in this one because, you
know, again, even with Evan,

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he's like, but Missus Fraser,
you, you fix anything like and

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Claire, you know, she is known
to be kind of a miracle healer

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around the Ridge.
So when you.

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Look at her.
Face and and you see OK there's

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nothing she can do because
because of the way she was

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gouging her shoulder cut a major
artery so there there isn't

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anything you can do but yeah, I
I think that's really what what

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it was and then also this was
Miss Claire Fraser herself

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Katrina Bao's first time
directing an episode.

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So she was she was the director
of this episode.

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Yep and as we saw she's doing
double duty because Claire is in

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this episode a lot too.
So yeah, I think it was more of

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AI don't want to call it a
filler episode but I think all

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of these different people will
have different parts to play

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probably towards the later
season.

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You know, we got to see Henry
and Mercy get married in this

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one, which I thought was really
sweet because I don't remember

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if they actually got married in
the book.

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I.
Think they have because right

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now her books only go up to book
9, which is mostly where this

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season is pulling from.
But I don't recall them actually

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getting married.
But I've only read the book

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once.
I'm, I'm going to be doing a

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reread within the next couple of
months to prepare for Dragon Con

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because I know we're going to be
discussing it.

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But yeah, so you get different
little things.

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And then of course, you have
William going down the rabbit

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hole of trying to figure out
what happened to Ben.

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And so I think all of those
things are just, you know,

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they're just pulling on threads
and they're about to start

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sewing that tapestry of what the
9th season is going to look, I

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mean, what the 8th season is
going to look like.

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So, yeah.
Was there anything in particular

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you liked, Michelle?
Yes, of course.

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OK.
Ian had a baby.

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I mean, that's the most
important thing here.

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Yeah.
However, I was like, dude, don't

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forget you also have another
one.

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But I know he didn't really
round you and you wasn't there

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when he was born.
But yeah, you have a.

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Baby and I do like that they
brought Swift as the lizards up

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in the conversation that he had
with Jamie.

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Yeah.
So yeah.

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I I do what else happened?
Yeah, I was like I said, oh,

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Michelle's going to be so happy.
You know, even though, like, I

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feel like they've been kind of
showing us that Ian is is due

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for his happiness and he's
getting the happiness he

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deserves, but there's still
always that little piece of is

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it going to happen because of
what happened in this past?

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I was like, please just let this
be OK.

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Even though I know in the books
it's OK.

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But you, again, this is the
show.

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They're veering from the books
because we, you know, we had to

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be OK 'cause they don't want
people to come in and hunt them

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down.
Yeah, no, because they were

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going to be OK.
This episode was actually this

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episode episode was quite sad
compared to the other ones.

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They had a lot of different
things going on.

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So I was like, yes, let us get
some joy.

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Yeah, and you and then.
I mean, I had three things.

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Ian had the baby.
Them contemplating what Frank

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knew or didn't know and what he
wrote in the book.

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It's always amazing to me, but I
like how he broke it down for

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the audience and Claire.
OK, yeah, I can leave Frank

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alone a little bit, but yeah, he
did the things he did, you know

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what I'm saying?
But you know, of course he's

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going to tell you not to look
for Jamie, of course, because

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y'all would not be able to move
forward, which I didn't move

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forward 'cause you could move
forward.

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But then he became obsessed with
the man.

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Only the.
Yeah, to find out what ends up

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happening.
One, what has Claire caught up?

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That's another reason why he
looked for Jamie.

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What has this woman caught up?
Yeah.

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She can't let this man go.
Yeah.

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And then two, what happens to
us?

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Yeah.
Will she ever go back to him and

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be with him?
And Even so.

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Yes, that was the reason.
So I love that he brought it up,

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but it's just funny how he just.
Boy, that was not the book to

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give your dad.
No, especially since they didn't

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look at it first.
At least look at it so.

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You should have gave him green
eggs and ham.

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Yeah, he was a historian.
He clearly put history in there.

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So it's not a fake book, like,
you know what I'm saying?

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It's not a a a a fiction.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So that wasn't Lord of the the
The Lord of the Rings books was

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perfect, but not.
Yeah.

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Not this book.
As far as as Brianna giving him

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that book, especially without
reading it, I think she would

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have.
I think at that point when she

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sees that book, OK, especially
now knowing what you know about

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your parents history, I think it
would have been interesting to

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her to say, OK, well, you know,
Daddy didn't want Mama to go

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look for die or whatever, but he
wrote a book specifically about

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the Scottish in North Carolina.
And guess where my parents are

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in North Carolina.
So maybe she thought that there

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was some there was some
information in there that would

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help him.
I don't think, I don't know.

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I think I'm, I'm to the point
now where I feel like in

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Brianna's mind, her parents are
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immortal, but I mean, we, we
talk about this all the time,

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how Jamie Fraser has 9 lives.
Like he's gone through at least

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seven of them at this point.
But I don't think she looks at

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it that way.
She's just like, OK, he has gone

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through so much.
I don't think she's looking at

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it like, oh, this could be what
kills him.

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She's just like, oh, Frank wrote
something about the Scottish

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people and the Scottish culture
in the North Carolinas.

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Maybe this is prominent about
Jamie, you know, and maybe even

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in her own mind, she's thinking,
oh, maybe This is why daddy

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didn't want her to come back
because he sees Claire in there,

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you know, not knowing how she
got there when she got there.

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But obviously, I think a lot of
people who've read the books,

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they think that in looking for
Jamie or looking for Claire, as

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Jamie has suggested, that he
found mentions of Brianna back

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there.
And that's why he taught her all

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of the stuff that she knows.
That's why she's so good with

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what she does in The Ridge,
because Frank taught her.

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Because we think that Frank saw
mention of her in the past.

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But you know, even with all of
that, I don't think there's ever

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been a hint, even in the books
that Frank found any mention of

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Claire, which is really
interesting because I know they

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kind of, they showed it to us in
the show last summer with him

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saying, you know, them in the
painting or whatever.

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But I don't think it's ever
mentioned or ever even hinted

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that.
OK, yeah, Frank saw Claire in

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the past and that's why he's
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I mean, it could be one of the
reasons why he acted the way he

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did, but I don't know at at this
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I think we're still going to
have to wait for Miss Gabadon to

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write her what Frank new book,
which she claims she is still

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doing.
I'm I need you to I'm gonna need

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you to bring.
Come on with that.

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Yeah.
OK.

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Because I think that will help.
I think that'll help change a

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lot of people's minds about
Frank.

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I don't think.
I don't think show people are as

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hard on Frank as book Frank is
as they are on book Frank

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because book Frank, like I said,
it was different.

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You know, the whole thing with
him and Claire, like Claire

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really tried and he really
tried, but he couldn't.

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He couldn't let go of it.
And then when they decided to

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start living their separate
lives, he was like I said, he

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was a bit of a Dick about it.
It wasn't just the one person.

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It wasn't just Sandy that he was
messing around with.

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He was messing around with
different women and like they

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were calling the house going off
on Claire.

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Like you need to let him go when
he wants to be like.

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It was disrespectful to a whole
different level, and I think

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that's why people give book
Frank a little bit more of a

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hard time.
That mean that tells me that

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Frank was a good catch and he
wasn't going nowhere like that

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tells me that Frank see, I got
to tell me some more stuff that

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makes him I'm I'm on Frank's
side.

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That just shows me that Frank
was a great catch.

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These women love Frank.
They tried to get him from his

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wife, but he will not leave
Claire.

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They tried to call his home,
convince her that that they're

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in love, but Frank was not going
to leave.

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And he waited till Brianna was
pretty much grown before he

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finally was like, yeah, he
wasn't.

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He wasn't going to.
Yeah, but the other thing is

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Frank tried, I mean, Claire
tried to let him go.

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She was like, OK, let's just go
ahead and get divorced.

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Let's stop with this.
And he was like, no, because

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you're not going to take Brianna
from me.

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I would never do that to you.
She's like, let's just we, we

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can, we can end this.
We can this can be salvage in

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that way, but.
I guess when you think about the

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fact that your wife has this
crazy traveling ability that

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your daughter also apparently
has 'cause she survived going

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through the stones and you and
you see this as real, like these

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people are existing in history.
And you're like, what if she

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does finally get to the point
where she's like, Nah, I'm out,

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you know.
And so I think also with Frank,

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him loving the idea that she had
a child, even if it wasn't his,

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he he clearly wanted kids or
whatever.

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But I think the other thing is
he had one up on Jamie because

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he was raising his his daughter.
Yeah.

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Feel like to a certain degree
like he he a lot was driving

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Frank and he had a lot.
I mean the man had a lot.

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I mean your wife disappear, go
off and then she come back

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pregnant and she talking about
this Yang Yang about being in

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some stones and and being in
Scotland Highlands in the 1700

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and then, you know, then she
like, oh, so you going to raise

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this baby or what?
It's just like I kind of get why

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he was in the asshole, you know,
But I also feel like, like you

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said, I never thought about
that, that you're right.

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I think you're right.
He did prepare Brianna because

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she she did come back doing some
no Nos but she don't know

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nothing about time travel
apparently.

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I just, and I mean, I
understand.

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I on the one hand I can
understand because you are in a

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time where there's nothing
familiar, nothing convenient,

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nothing.
You know I get 1 1/2 some small

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creature comfort.
Yeah.

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But also you're coming back to a
time where they were they're

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still like witch hunting.
They are still like, oh, you're

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different.
You I mean, even the

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conversation Fanny had with
Claire about Jamie and you know,

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she was like Jamie believed in
certain things and people used

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to say that she was dark and so
small minded in this time, you

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know, so it's just.
But it's also that scene.

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That's one of the scenes I like
the most.

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This episode was with Miss
Cunningham and Claire and just

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kind of seeing what the funeral
ritual was back then and just

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like they just had their way and
this is the proper way.

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And I I like that because it
shows that Claire, which I mean,

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it always showed that she was
very adapt, like she adapts to

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everything.
But like it was kind of amazing

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to me because it was just like,
well, girl, you better get your

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deaf shroud people dying around
here.

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Like this is what happens.
I'm lucky to be alive.

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Of course I have.
One like she was like some days

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I think I need to sleep.
Like, I really love that scene

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of them bonding, 'cause I
remember you told me she was

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going to be up and down, wishy
washy.

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And that scene was so good.
And I was just like the things

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that Claire has had to do to be
with this man that she loves.

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It's just crazy to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't know if I would have
made it.

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I don't think I have that kind
of patience.

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Me, me too.
I, I don't.

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So yeah, I just OK, Jamie, I, I.
Hear me, Can you hear the

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buzzing?
Come to this phone.

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Can you hear this buzzing?
Tell me, 'cause we can't stay

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here, baby.
No.

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Not at.
All.

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Not at all.
But OK, so let's talk about a

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few things.
Oh my and my last name.

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Oh yeah, yeah, 3 so my last
thing is it was the IT was the

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EI just love it.
You just wake her up and be like

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I need you.
Yes, honey, Yeah, I'm, I'm with

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you and.
Let's just talk about 40

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something year old Claire being
ready, ready and willing and

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able because man, I'm I'm in
perimenopause and I'm sorry you

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have to.
Work.

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Claire's in her 60s at this
point.

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Well, 60s, yes.
Well, off with the time period,

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I think, Claire.
'S in her Claire's in her 60s at

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this point.
Right home, girl.

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Saying you are absolutely
correct.

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So.
And we get some loose.

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Listen, guess what are we doing?
But I thought it, it was so

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funny to me because, you know,
immediately before all of that,

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he's reading the book.
And Frank is in his ear.

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You know, he hears Frank's
voice.

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Yeah.
You're going to die.

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Yeah, man, who's who's going to
hold her there?

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And I was like, it ain't going
to be you.

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Frank's like.
This OK, of course.

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I know this is not really Frank,
talking to him is just his

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conscience, but but Jamie was
like, oh, you want to talk to

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me?
And you want to talk to me about

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who ain't going to be holding
her.

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OK, I got you, Frank.
Hey, baby, I need you.

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I was like if that wasn't the
most petty shit, but it was so

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funny.
But he did, but not even that he

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was like it's bothering him, but
he he can't let it bother him

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because there's plenty of times
they said he was dead.

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Remember in the house fire.
So just kind of just let it go.

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But I just love it because all
he said was I need you.

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I need.
You OK, Right.

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She was asleep when she lied to.
That booted up.

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I said I like.
This.

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But you know what I don't want?
And so this is they gone.

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They gone.
Lionel Brown us with Frank's

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voice.
And I don't want that.

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I hope he does not continue with
this voice in his head.

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I don't know, but it at least
it's not I, I, I guess for me, I

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don't mind it as much because I
feel like even though the story

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has always been about Jamie and
Claire, I do think that Frank is

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a very integral part of that
relationship, whether for good

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or for bad, you know, and, and
even going back and looking at

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older clips from older series,
older seasons.

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Most specifically, you know,
before the episode last week, I

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went back and started watching
some of the some of the clips

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from the Faith episode.
And there was one conversation

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where they were having what she
was telling Jamie about Faith's

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birth and getting to hold her
and all this other stuff.

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And where she talked about how
much she, she did hate him, but

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she was like, but it was my
fault too.

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She was like, I was the one who
put Frank above our family.

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And, you know, all this other
stuff.

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He was like, well, Frank was
your family.

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She was like, yeah, but I
shouldn't chosen.

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I, you know, whatever.
But I thought about, I said the

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the crazy thing about all that
is she kind of sort of had no

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choice because if it wasn't for
Frank existing and her being

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married to Frank, she would have
never come back to, you know, to

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the, to the past in the first
place, because she would have

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had no reason to be in the
Highlands.

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She would have had no, you know,
it's just it's it's very again,

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Frank is a very integral part of
that relationship.

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I don't know how it's kind of
like that whole witch came

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first, the chicken or the egg.
I don't think we'll ever know

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because there's there has to be
a reason why she and Jamie found

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their way to each other over
time and space.

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You know what I'm saying?
So.

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I do wonder though, because if
that's the thing where they have

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that they're supposed to be
together no matter what is like

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after the war, she went some
other place, America or

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somewhere else and found some
other stones in the Caribbean on

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vacation, found the stones and
then ended up back like in the

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past.
And then they meet up some other

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different kind of way.
Like is that, you know, like I

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feel like if they're faded, it
wouldn't happen period, I think,

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but it would be so.
Weird with all of that because

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because if you think about all
those times, even them going to

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other stones, their relationship
has always been the catalyst for

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getting them to those stones.
If you think about it, the whole

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reason why Ian was kidnapped was
because he was going for the

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chest.
The only reason why Jamie knew

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about the chest was because he
thought Claire was the one who

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was in Silky Island.
So if he had never met Claire,

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would he have reason to be in
Silky Island?

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Would he have reason to send in
to go get the chest?

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And then they would have had to
follow him to Jamaica, even

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finding the stones in a bond
away, like everything has to do

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with them two together.
And so I don't think if it

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wasn't for Frank, none of this,
like we really kind of sort of

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have to thank Frank because if
it wasn't for Frank, we would

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have none of this.
Thank you.

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Frank.
Yeah, You know, as much as much

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pain as it brought him, I really
think he was kind of the, I

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don't know, He's the catalyst.
He's the centerpiece.

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He's the reason why this whole
thing exists, you know, And it's

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just, it's very, it's a very
weird thing.

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And I think we probably won't
figure none of this out until

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she finishes writing the 10th
book because she has explained,

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she has always said that that
whole scene in the in the very

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first book, in the very first
episode where Jamie's ghost is

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looking up on Claire, she's
going to explain that in the

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10th book.
So that will probably answer a

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lot of questions about all this
because again, you know, as I

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mentioned, there are things that
happened differently in the book

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as far as how we find out that
Frank knows about Jamie and some

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of the stuff that he does that
they didn't do in the show.

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So I think eventually all roles
with Jamie and Claire, they do

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lead back to Frank.
So in that sense, I don't mind

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his voice overs as much because
I feel like they're kind of

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necessary.
But like I said, in the books,

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there's like a couple of other
characters who are on the Ridge

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with them.
And one of those characters sees

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ghosts and he actually sees
Frank's ghost walking around the

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Ridge.
And when he tells Jamie about

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it, he was like, yeah, there's a
guy who follows you quite a bit.

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He he follows your wife too.
You know, he's dressed, I think

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he said something about he's
dressed in brown, some kind of

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weird suit, and he has a hat on
and blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah.
And yeah.

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And then Jamie is kind of like
he, he has figured out who it

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is.
And he was like, I think the guy

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sees Frank's picture on a book
or something like that.

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And Jamie was like, well, what
does he do?

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He's he's like nothing.
He just sits there and he

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laughs.
And I was like, oh, Frank, you

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being an asshole even in the
afterlife.

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Because obviously, you know, in
Frank's mind, he knows what's

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about to happen or he knows that
Jamie is about to die, whatever

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the case is, whatever, whatever.
But my thing too with Frank,

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dude, you've been dead for how
long this has been going.

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Let it go.
Let it go.

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She's been back at the Ridge now
for 20 years.

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Let it go.
That's a long time.

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That's a long time to hold the
grudge, dead or alive.

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And so that actually so then
that that would be if you

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include the fact she's been back
for 20 years and then for the.

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Years that he bears.
Between Gosh, that's.

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Yeah, because I think at this
point in the story, Brianna is

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in her early 40s.
So yeah, it's been a while.

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Let it go, dude.
Go, go.

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00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,960
Follow.
Follow the white light.

446
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,680
Stop looking to see what's going
to happen because I mean,

447
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,920
because what's going to happen
if he dies?

448
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,200
Are you?
Are you going to sit there and

449
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,080
pester him all in the afterlife?
Oh God, Can you imagine?

450
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,960
It went when Claire dies and she
sees you lurking around, are you

451
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,400
are you going to try to be like,
OK, well, you don't have your

452
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,760
whole lifetime with him.
It's like just that.

453
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:19,680
Do let it go, let it go, let it
go, let it go.

454
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,000
So yeah.
Or maybe he's just tied to

455
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,240
Claire for life.
Like maybe that's his.

456
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:32,040
His soul is fated to be trapped.
That's so sad.

457
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,520
That's.
But and that is say it, that's

458
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,680
say it.
Poor friend.

459
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,520
Yeah, it is.
Because you could.

460
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,400
You could.
You want to go go go hunt Sandy.

461
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,680
You want to.
You want to I'm.

462
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,120
I'm just saying you wanted to
divorce Claire.

463
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,200
You wanted to go marry her.
Here it is 20 something years

464
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,000
later, she's still mad at
Claire.

465
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,440
Like, yeah, you you should have
let him go.

466
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,400
I would give anything.
Had one go go haunt her.

467
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,000
Leave Claire alone.
Because it's not clear.

468
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,920
You have to understand, even
though this man left and he was

469
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,040
going to marry someone, that is
who he really loved.

470
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,880
I know.
Which is very sad because he.

471
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,800
Who will not?
And she is not loving him back.

472
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,280
That first season when I started
my rewatch and just how he was

473
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,720
just like so obsessed with
finding her and just so panicked

474
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,880
about everything and just yeah,
it is kind of sad though.

475
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,560
It is, yeah.
So like, have her.

476
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,000
You have her right here, but
she's not even right here with

477
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,440
you.
At the same time, like that's

478
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,480
what you chose because you
couldn't.

479
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,400
You could have been like, oh,
OK, well, you know what?

480
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,360
You want to be in love with this
man.

481
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,480
You, you, he he didn't have to
take her back.

482
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:56,480
And I think.
Yeah, but he wasn't going to

483
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,040
leave her like that though
either.

484
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:01,280
But still, it's kind of like you
took her back and you put

485
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,880
conditions on taking her back
based on what she was going to

486
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,680
lack.
And that whenever you put those

487
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:16,000
kind of conditions or those kind
of restrictions on a person,

488
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,880
it's never going to work out the
way you it.

489
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,320
Wasn't going to work out before
he even put the restrictions,

490
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,840
but he was just trying to hold
on to something that was falling

491
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,960
out of his hands so he thought
that.

492
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,120
Also, like honestly, I'm going
to be here, I'm going to stay

493
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:30,200
married to you, I'm going to
take care of this kid and we

494
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,200
just going to live life like
ain't nothing changed.

495
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,880
You owe me something.
Well, I ain't going to be just

496
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,440
pretending to be the happy wife
over here while you over there.

497
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Then didn't done soldier royal
oats and all this other stuff.

498
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,440
Now I feel where he comes from.
Like, I probably would have gave

499
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,840
her something and I definitely
wouldn't want her to be with if

500
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,520
I was.
I wouldn't want her to be with

501
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,720
this man that she had so much
passion and fire for.

502
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,360
Oh, God, no.
Yeah, no.

503
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,240
Yeah, because you got to
remember the passion fire was in

504
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,240
her eyes before she left, when
she came back.

505
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,440
OK, nothing.
Yeah, yeah.

506
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:06,840
OK.
But.

507
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Something about that I always
didn't like and I don't know if

508
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,400
I can't remember if it was in a
book or not because it's been so

509
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,480
long since I read that book.
In the first book, but in the

510
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,520
first season when he's like
seeing the ghost and he's like

511
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,480
there's somebody out there
watching you or then he starts

512
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,880
immediately thinking she
cheating.

513
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:27,240
So he like, I feel like he's
very insecure and like maybe he

514
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,880
doesn't feel like he deserves
somebody of Claire's looks or

515
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,720
talent or whatever.
And so I told you, remember,

516
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,160
there's a huge age difference
between them, too.

517
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,160
Oh, that's where I forgot he is.
So, you know, and then again, I

518
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,720
mean, when you think about it,
they were married for five years

519
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,480
at that point, she said.
They had seen each other what a

520
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:55,280
total of 8 days.
So, you know, I can kind of

521
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,280
understand that as well.
Like, oh, did you get close to

522
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,240
anybody?
Because for most people yet with

523
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,760
those kind of conditions, they
probably would have.

524
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,480
But it's kind of like, and, and
then again, him knowing that

525
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,120
Claire is a very passionate
person, but Claire is a very

526
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,320
physical person.
So I mean, that was one, that

527
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,640
was one of the, that was one of
the things about their

528
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,480
relationship too.
They were very, they were very

529
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:26,000
physical, very intimate.
So, yeah, but I just do you.

530
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,240
You knew when she came back and
she explained all this stuff to

531
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,240
you that she was absolutely head
over heels in love with another

532
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,560
man.
You should have never tried to

533
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,320
force her.
But he was in love with her.

534
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Conoco, you guys, he.
Was in love with her but still,

535
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,640
I mean even even now we with
people stop trying to force

536
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,600
people to love you that don't
love you.

537
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,040
Right, we are saying that, but
this is he couldn't, he couldn't

538
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,440
help himself.
And he didn't want her to be

539
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,920
just in the street.
Single mom back in them days.

540
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,240
Because he actually loved her
so.

541
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,320
Oh, she came back pregnant.
This ain't Frank's baby.

542
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,440
He didn't want her to go through
that, you know?

543
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,960
There are ways that he could
have that, that that could have

544
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,760
been taken care of and, and been
a little more discreet and he

545
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,200
could have still, OK, I'm help
you out, but whatever, whatever.

546
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,960
Now, you know, back in the day,
he could no.

547
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,720
But no.
But I I get it that he was in

548
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,720
love with her and blah blah blah
but still it's like you don't

549
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,800
force someone to stay with you
that you know doesn't.

550
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,960
Love you, but honestly she.
Never.

551
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Had to stay though she didn't
have to.

552
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,240
So you can't say we he forced
her.

553
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,200
She didn't have to.
She just knew that Frank was

554
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,200
going to help her take care.
Of that, right?

555
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,680
So she said this is the easier
route for me to take.

556
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,400
She chose this too, Jamie.
Also was like go back to Frank.

557
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,840
Right.
It was the plan all along.

558
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,400
Yeah.
Because that is the truth

559
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,680
though.
Like she, like you can't force

560
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,240
Claire to do anything.
One.

561
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,280
And two, you're right, that was
the plan.

562
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,160
Go back to him.
He'll take you back.

563
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:19,120
See, that was wrong.
They set that man up, but we'll

564
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,000
have another podcast about
Frank.

565
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,920
When the book come out.
Oh yeah, didn't.

566
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,280
When the book come out, I
probably won't even like him, so

567
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,440
I'm just going to.
Yeah, 'cause you still need to

568
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,680
read the books.
So yeah, I have the nice break

569
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,480
in my head.
Have you not started any of

570
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,600
them?
The first one.

571
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,560
Oh, but she's been on the first
one forever.

572
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,520
Some years.
Oh yeah.

573
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,000
So yeah, at some point I, I
think, I think I talked about

574
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,960
this last year, I do want to
start back from the beginning,

575
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,520
especially now that they're
almost to the end of the show.

576
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,320
Because now I can at this point,
once the show is over, I can

577
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,200
stop wondering about, oh, are
they going to pull anything

578
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,440
else?
Are they going to do this?

579
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,680
Are they going to do that?
So I think I'll be able to go

580
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,200
back and actually do a full
reread at that point.

581
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,160
And then I, I do want to read
the novellas.

582
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,640
She wrote a whole she's written
a whole bunch of shit about this

583
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,320
universe.
So which is great, which is, I

584
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,560
think that's wonderful because
there should be where you create

585
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,120
this world, that you should be
able to continuously write about

586
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,440
the world.
Yeah, I was thinking that when

587
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,640
we did, OK, this is a separate
thing, but we did get to go see,

588
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,520
you know, Harry Potter and the
Cursed Child.

589
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,200
And I was thinking the same
thing, like you have a universe

590
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,040
where there are so much more you
could ride about.

591
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,960
Yeah.
And same here.

592
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,080
She made one.
She should be able to.

593
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,640
Yeah.
And she has mentioned there are

594
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,640
other things that she is
planning to write.

595
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,280
Yeah, how old is she?
Like 60 now right in.

596
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Her 70s, I think.
Oh, 70s.

597
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:09,639
Yeah, yeah, OK.
She and yeah, I think she just

598
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:16,239
turned 76, but I know she's as
she's like, she's writing book

599
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,000
10 now.
I think she's actively writing

600
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:27,320
Brian and Ellen's story, her
version of it, and she's

601
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:32,159
supposed to be writing something
about Frank and you.

602
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,080
OK, yeah, she's 74.
OK, OK.

603
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,040
OK.
So that's fine.

604
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:40,000
Yeah.
Yeah, and, and she's still but,

605
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,120
but the thing with her is she's
still pretty active.

606
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,440
She's still trying.
That's what I'm saying that's.

607
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,560
What I'm saying and she is still
actively writing so so we may

608
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,920
still get get, get stuff from
her.

609
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,440
And if not, I'm not sure what
her plan is if or when that

610
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,640
happens because you know, some,
some authors, some authors they

611
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,840
actually have like a contingency
plan.

612
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,800
Right.
And and notes.

613
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,560
So hopefully she has some and.
She she apparently writes a lot

614
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,760
of notes.
OK, because but one thing I do

615
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,520
know, and if she ever listens to
us, OK, I'm hearing, I'm not

616
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,760
hearing Claire's parents again.
Like it's something about Claire

617
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,240
and her parents did.
You can't.

618
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,600
They are.
They are completely dead to her.

619
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,760
But they have a story to be
told.

620
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,680
And that's.
What the show was for, Yeah.

621
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,880
No, I can tell you she has
something against them.

622
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,720
I mean, because it's I don't
think it's that she has anything

623
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,680
against them in her mind.
She killed those characters.

624
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,680
Yeah.
It's like the moms, they're dead

625
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,000
to her.
But I'm saying they completely

626
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000
dead to her.
She won't even like, open up the

627
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,480
book and check to make sure
they're in the casket.

628
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,120
Yeah.
No, yeah, no.

629
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,400
To her, they're dead.
And I and I get that.

630
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,400
I understand it.
The fact that they were able to

631
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,560
do the show because they were
like, hey, what if we do it this

632
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,720
way?
The fact that she was even open

633
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:09,360
to letting them do Henry and
Julia's, you know, Henry and

634
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,800
Julia's story in a show.
I was I, I'm very appreciative

635
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,480
of that because I do like what
they're doing with the story.

636
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,440
But if, if they're dead to her
on page, then I get it.

637
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,920
And, and I understand we
probably will never get anything

638
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:30,040
about them, which is which is
fine because again, I'm to the

639
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,160
point where for me the show and
the books are separate.

640
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,600
Like yes, the the show are it is
based on these characters and

641
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,800
based on these events, but I can
look at them separately and I

642
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,560
can enjoy them both.
And I'm not, you know, I'm not

643
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,320
so married to what happens in
the books that I'm going to hate

644
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,040
watch the show because oh, they
didn't do this in the books and

645
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,160
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Because I knew like from early

646
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,600
on seasons.
Oh, y'all are veering away from

647
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,200
the books.
OK, I'm prepared for this.

648
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,720
And because I was the show first
person, it doesn't bother me as

649
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:07,640
much.
So, and I think that's always

650
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,520
the case.
We've, we've had millions of

651
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,960
discussions about this.
If I was a book reader first,

652
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,400
then yes, I think I would have
been, I would probably be like

653
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,960
some of these other people like,
oh, that's not how they did it,

654
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,520
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But I, I like the fact that

655
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,280
they're kind of playing around
with some things and, you know,

656
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,760
expanding on what the world is
because again, going back to

657
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,240
blood of my blood, I love Julia
and Henry story.

658
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,160
Love it.
They're like, like, yes, I know

659
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,360
the story mainly is Brian and
Ellen and we know them, but we

660
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,120
know Brian and Ellen from
Outlander.

661
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,640
So even if they weren't part of
that story, that would be fine.

662
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,240
I could do with a Julia and
Henry story.

663
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,000
It doesn't even have to be like
a full blown thing, but just to

664
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,040
give us some background.
I would have been OK, but I love

665
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,800
Henry and Julia story in Blood
of My Blood, and I'm so glad

666
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,840
that she gave them permission to
explore that in the way that

667
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,160
they are because I absolutely
love it.

668
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:15,480
But you know, it is what it is.
We're still getting this.

669
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,520
We're we're getting story.
We're getting some stuff that

670
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:24,960
that relates to the books.
And yeah, I'm OK with it because

671
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,640
I think especially towards the
the later books, she does

672
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,000
introduce a lot of new faces.
And we do see some new faces in

673
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,960
this particular episode.
Going back to the whole Frank

674
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:44,080
thing is like, I think with
Brianna giving him the book, she

675
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,120
probably thought there were
going to be some things in there

676
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,920
that that were helpful.
And I can understand if you're

677
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,560
reading and you're like, oh, all
he does is talk about Jamie

678
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,920
Fraser.
Jamie Fraser.

679
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,240
He's mentioned them 14 times so
far.

680
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:00,120
And that he dies.
I get how that can be

681
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,640
disturbing.
But there's also some other

682
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:07,120
useful information in there
because Frank mentions names of

683
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,600
people who will be prominent in
this this war.

684
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,560
And one of these folks happens
to show his ass up on Jamie's

685
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,640
doorstep.
But when I tell you, the moment

686
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,240
Claire opened her mouth to greet
him and he was very dismissive

687
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:25,840
of her, I was like, yeah, I'm
not going to like your ass.

688
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,040
Oh hell.
Not going to like you.

689
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,960
And Claire was just looking at
him like that's my husband, his

690
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,960
business is my business, my
business.

691
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,640
And the way that guy dismissed
her.

692
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,320
Yes, you know what I was like?
Oh, it's about to be something.

693
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,640
Yeah, but it's like it is
interesting because when they

694
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,680
have this conversation, this guy
comes and he talks to Jamie and

695
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,000
he's Tories, meaning some
loyalists on your land.

696
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,400
And then we find out that he has
something to do with those two

697
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,400
that were hung in the last
episode.

698
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,880
And Jamie's like, well, what
were their crimes?

699
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,040
I told you they were tourists.
So basically you you hanging

700
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,400
folks just because of of them
being loyalists.

701
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,680
Like there wasn't even AI get it
to them that that's part of the

702
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,360
crime.
But the war has been over for a

703
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,080
couple of years at this point,
you know.

704
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,200
But you know he comes.
And he's trying to.

705
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,000
Make trying to entice Jamie to
join his his group.

706
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,080
He's like, yeah, you know, your
neighbors, we're all starting

707
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,640
militia because it's about to be
a war.

708
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,840
And Jamie was like, I've turned
down George Washington himself.

709
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,360
Like, talk about the name drop
of all name drops.

710
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,880
I'll turn down the general.
What makes you think I'm going

711
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,840
to say yes to you?
And the guy is very like, I

712
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,640
just, I don't like his attitude.
I don't like the way he's coming

713
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,160
up.
Because one, if you've, as you

714
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,400
say, you've heard of Jamie
Fraser, you know his you know

715
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,520
his reputation.
You already know this is not a

716
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,920
man who plays the fool.
Yeah.

717
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,520
Why are you on my doorstep
acting like you're?

718
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,160
About to come intimidate.
Me.

719
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,200
Yeah.
How many battles have I been in?

720
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,160
How many times have I almost
died?

721
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,480
How many?
Like I wrote my resignation

722
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,960
letter in my wife's blood on a
man's back and sent it to.

723
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,080
Really.
You want to.

724
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,240
Play you want to come play.
With me on my porch and then he

725
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,960
like your wife.
Look like she healthy.

726
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000
You said you was getting out
because your wife was sick.

727
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:45,280
He looking good your business,
but not only that, also she.

728
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,840
Helped it so now I'm supposed to
go and sacrifice you know like

729
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,080
put my life on the line again
like excuse me Sir yes my my

730
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,480
wife looks very fine and I would
like to be alive to enjoy her a

731
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,480
little bit but not to mention
she got shot because.

732
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,160
Of the freaking war like right
come on now they.

733
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,240
Don't put enough.
Blood into it, right?

734
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,880
But then again, you got to
remember.

735
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,600
These are the men of the 1700s.
Most of them don't even like

736
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:18,400
their wives like that, right?
So, you know, so they disrespect

737
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,280
women.
At all.

738
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,480
So yeah, so that whole.
Thing that does kind of throw a

739
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,880
nerve, you know with Jamie
because he was like this is one

740
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,800
of the men that Frank mentioned
in his book and he also mentions

741
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,480
2 of the other names that you
know that Frank mentioned said

742
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,160
we're going to play a large part
in this.

743
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,760
So I think now it's getting to
the point where he's starting to

744
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,560
worry because now he sees that
some of the stuff Frank is

745
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,240
talking about is is is coming
true or coming to pass.

746
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,480
So I think the book is going to
be.

747
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Helpful but.
There are certain things that he

748
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,000
mentions that kind of make you
wonder.

749
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,000
The fact that he, he says Frank
never mentions any of my men by

750
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,080
name and I can't see myself
fighting without them.

751
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,400
That is so true.
Like if you knew anything about

752
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,680
Jamie as a person, you know that
if he's going to battle,

753
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,920
especially if it's going to be
defending the Ridge or whatever,

754
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,840
his folk are going to be there.
To defend him.

755
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:26,120
And the fact that the the fact
that Frank doesn't mention any

756
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:32,880
of them, it makes me wonder if
he's really.

757
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,280
Talking about Jamie, or if he
was.

758
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,080
Just like I don't it it also
makes me think of.

759
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,960
Too.
Is it like a a guidebook for

760
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,560
Jamie I thought?
About that too.

761
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,640
Because regardless of how you
feel about SO, you can read it

762
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,960
and like you can.
Be aware of these are men you

763
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,720
need to be aware of because your
daughter.

764
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:02,920
Is back there with this man, and
regardless of how he feels about

765
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,160
Jamie, regardless of how he
feels about Claire, one thing is

766
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,200
undeniable when it comes to
Frank.

767
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,040
That man loves Brianna and he
would not want.

768
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,560
Her.
Harmed in any way.

769
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,960
And I'm sure if he looked
through time or if he looked

770
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,800
through the pages of history and
saw that his daughter went back,

771
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,880
he knows that she's there with
her father.

772
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,200
And he knows that she probably
loves Jamie as fiercely as she

773
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,960
loved him.
And I also.

774
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,440
I started to wonder.
After seeing this guy's

775
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:43,040
attitude, if Jamie would have
died by.

776
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,800
Their hand, but they were like
he was.

777
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,240
Fighting with us and he died and
that's how they reported it kind

778
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:50,720
of thing.
And that's what's in history

779
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,840
book, 'cause I'm like this guy
doesn't seem like somebody I

780
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,280
would want to ally my ally
myself with in any situation.

781
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Wouldn't trust him as far as I
like.

782
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,200
No, like this guy is he's.
Oh, his attitude is just so

783
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,560
nasty and he was just nasty to
Jamie.

784
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,880
I'm like you really want this
man to come and be with y'all

785
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,440
but you talking smack to him at
his house and you talk smack to

786
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,320
his wife?
But the.

787
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,600
Browns were kind of the same way
as well.

788
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,280
When he came.
Oh yeah, we want you to join

789
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,320
our.
Regulated group.

790
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,640
I mean, you know the the the
other Brown, I can't remember

791
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,440
what his name was now.
Not Lionel, the brother.

792
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,840
He was a little more polite.
He was a little bit more

793
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,800
diplomatic, but still, it's kind
of like you are approaching with

794
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:43,120
a certain a certain air of
hostility and you want me to

795
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,040
trust you in battle, in battle
and I'm supposed.

796
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,440
To think that you're going to
have.

797
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,960
My back while people are
shooting at me.

798
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,480
No thanks.
And then he was like.

799
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,360
Not only was he talking about
like the British, but he was

800
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,080
like naming the Native Americans
and all the people they was

801
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,920
going to fight.
And I'm like, bro, so you just

802
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,920
you know that ain't your land,
right?

803
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,240
You do know that ain't your land
Like just.

804
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,400
That's another thing that's.
Really hard to like.

805
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,440
Hear them talk about stuff like
that and the audacity.

806
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,120
Yeah, because.
We know how that turned out.

807
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,200
Yeah.
Yeah, just.

808
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:22,840
Terrible.
Yeah.

809
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,200
But, you know, and then in that
same conversation, he mentions

810
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,880
Captain Cunningham.
He's like, yeah, you know, you

811
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,640
got a Tory on your land.
Jamie was like, I'm a deal with

812
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,480
him.
You leave this shit alone, I

813
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,560
would deal with what's going to
happen on my land.

814
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,440
I was like, yeah, that was Jamie
drawing that line in the sand.

815
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,840
Dude, you better go somewhere
because what we're not going to

816
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,840
do is, yeah, we're not about to
do this whole.

817
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,280
I don't even know if you want to
call it vigilante justice.

818
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,880
We, we just what what you trying
to do, we're not going to do

819
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,200
over here.
That's not how we handle things.

820
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,400
Yeah, you know, but the way that
Jamie.

821
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,720
Is going to handle this.
Thing He brings up the whole

822
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:10,480
thing about the lodge.
And them being Freemasons.

823
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:16,520
And I guess he's going to try to
use that to kind of bond his

824
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,040
people together, including, you
know, Cunningham, because that,

825
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:25,000
I guess, you know, kind of
supersedes everything.

826
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,280
But I, I.
Don't know because when.

827
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,440
When Captain Cunningham gets up
and he does his.

828
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,080
Little speech and he's he's.
Talking about the death of his

829
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:43,760
son and how his son died during
the Battle of Saratoga, which of

830
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,160
course, Jamie was also there.
But he talks about how his son

831
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:53,000
died and kind of came back to
life for a moment and was like,

832
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,960
dad, don't don't fret, I'll see
you again in seven years and

833
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,360
died.
I was like, first of all, if if

834
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,760
somebody coming back from the
dead just to tell me they're

835
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,200
gonna see me again in seven
years.

836
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,040
The grim Reaper has has told him
yeah.

837
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,440
Oh yeah, you gonna see him a lot
sooner than you think.

838
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:16,000
I first of all, first of all,
no, you don't have to come back

839
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,560
and tell me that.
You can let me live blissfully

840
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,440
ignorant for the next 7 years.
And then what I like.

841
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,600
Oh, cool.
I listen.

842
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:35,400
But I didn't, I, I wasn't.
I think when I listened to him

843
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,800
give the speech and he was
talking about how, you know, he

844
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,280
has things to do when he's going
to live fully in these seven

845
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,600
years and blah, blah, blah,
blah.

846
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,600
When Jamie and Rodger having
that conversation.

847
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,840
And Jamie was like, yeah, man
who thinks he can't die is

848
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,560
dangerous.
And I was like, wait, I never

849
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,320
think about it in that way that
he thinks he can't die.

850
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,080
Like, he'll see me in seven
years, years.

851
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,360
That means I have seven years
before I die.

852
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,080
So it was like, oh, wait, that's
not good.

853
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:09,200
Yeah, that's not good.
And not to mention like.

854
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,240
I mean, obviously.
In this world, people.

855
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,440
Do see ghosts and time travel is
real, so it's not far fetched.

856
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,440
But it's also like you just lost
your son and that's traumatizing

857
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,280
and you held him while he was
like dying or whatever, I think

858
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,280
he said.
So were you in your right mind,

859
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:28,920
Sir?
I don't know.

860
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,680
I don't know.
Yeah, 'cause it, it, you're,

861
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,320
you're right.
It could have been it.

862
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:40,120
It could have been the way that
you said it happened, but I also

863
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,200
could have been you just kind of
manifesting that like.

864
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:47,160
But I don't know but but but for
you.

865
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,040
To sit here and be like my, my
son said he won't see me in

866
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,760
seven years and not a day
before.

867
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
So I'm invincible right now.
War is about to come to the

868
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,120
Backcountry, Sir.
I'm gonna need you to not be

869
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,320
walking in front of bullets and
stuff thinking that you're

870
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:04,120
invincible.
But I mean, I'm just saying

871
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,280
because that never works out
well for anyone, right?

872
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,440
So especially if you're going to
be fighting on on Jamie's side,

873
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,040
but we don't even know if that's
going to be the case.

874
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,680
Yeah, because.
They are technically.

875
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,920
On opposite sides of their
loyalties, which is.

876
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,600
Interesting to me because.
That's one thing I don't recall

877
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,640
him ever clarifying.
He said he was done with war,

878
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,000
but he didn't say he was loyal
or his his loyalties had

879
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,080
changed.
Right, right.

880
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,680
So I did wonder about that last
episode.

881
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,080
And then they're coming.
They're like, well, we going to

882
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:50,400
handle this guy Like, oh gosh.
Yeah.

883
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,160
But OK, we let's talk about the
William thing for a minute

884
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,800
because again.
In the books.

885
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,400
This is a little bit more drawn
out because it takes.

886
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,560
Months for William to go.
On this journey of trying to

887
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,640
find Ben, you know you can't
just it's not like they have

888
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,880
planes back then.
You can't just go from Savannah

889
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:20,880
to Philadelphia.
This is months long journey so

890
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,880
he's.
You know he's going through.

891
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,160
He's trying to find out what
happened to his cousin and as he

892
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,360
said, get get Ben's effects or
whatever.

893
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,520
And it's so interesting because
at the beginning of the episode

894
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,000
we get a little flashback scene
of him, Ben and Henry.

895
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,720
And, you know, you see that
little camaraderie.

896
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,080
This is when Ben is first given
his Commission.

897
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,840
He tells them he's going to
Boston.

898
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:54,640
William makes it a point to give
him this little toy soldier that

899
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,560
they've had as children or
whatever the case may be.

900
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,040
And Ben is like, I will keep
this in this pocket with me

901
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,480
always.
Oh my gosh, that was so sweet

902
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:06,720
it.
Was and then.

903
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:11,520
When William gets to the camp
and he finds.

904
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,360
Out about, you know.
Kind of the limited

905
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:20,240
circumstances about Ben's death,
the person we speaking to really

906
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,680
doesn't have much information,
which in and of itself is odd

907
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,320
enough.
Like, I understand he's a, he's

908
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,760
a prisoner of war and all this
other stuff, but you can't

909
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,360
remember nothing.
And they kept records of that

910
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,040
kind.
Of stuff which is how we know

911
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,560
like people you know were
prisoners and like in the now

912
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,080
times, it's like they kept
record right and so you have

913
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,920
someone who.
Worked in the medic clinic who

914
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,480
was like, Oh yeah, I remember
him, he was a nice guy, you

915
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,760
know, blah blah blah.
I was sad to hear he died,

916
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,000
especially when he was doing so
much better.

917
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,560
We was like, he was doing
better.

918
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,040
He was like, yeah, he was doing
better.

919
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:57,160
I thought he was on the.
Mend.

920
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,320
And then he died suddenly in the
night, and by the time I got

921
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,960
here they had already buried
him.

922
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,480
OK.
In any circumstances, that's

923
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:12,840
going to be suspicious.
So William gets.

924
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,360
Ben's effects, he's going
through them while he's on his

925
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,320
campground.
He's looking at the jacket, he

926
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,280
feels inside the pocket and the
soldier is gone.

927
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,240
It's not there now.
Anybody else?

928
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:27,320
Probably.
Would have just been like, oh,

929
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,120
it must have fell out his
pocket.

930
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,360
They must have thrown it away or
something.

931
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:37,600
William is like this.
Something about this ain't

932
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,280
right.
He goes to dig up the grave and

933
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,720
find somebody else in Ben's
place, Some old guy, old man.

934
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,840
Right, a old man, right?
So now this opens.

935
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,040
Up a whole nother mystery,
because where has Ben?

936
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:59,560
Obviously he's not dead.
So what I was thinking, come on,

937
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,720
tell me, what's your theory then
then was like.

938
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
F this.
I ain't fighting this where I'm

939
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,600
out and he traded some stuff
with somebody or gave somebody

940
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,040
some stuff to be like, hey, you
going to be Officer Gray or

941
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,680
whatever his last name is, and
I'm going to go over here and

942
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,560
I'm going to be somebody else in
a different place because say

943
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,320
what?
There's no way.

944
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,600
Ain't no way.
Hold on to that thought.

945
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:31,800
Yeah, I would say.
That that's OK 'cause you're.

946
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,720
You're you're on the right.
Track there's some other

947
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:37,080
there's.
Some other stuff there.

948
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,800
But if they do what they do in
the books, you're on the right

949
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,360
track.
OK 'cause I was like.

950
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,280
Wait a minute, I will say.
This for William.

951
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:53,400
OK, because.
Everybody who is associated.

952
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,280
With Jamie, they have a little
bit more than the average

953
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,800
intelligence because if this had
been anybody else, they would

954
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,680
have just let it go.
Yeah.

955
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,280
They wouldn't have thought this
through.

956
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:08,360
Like, oh, wait a minute, this
seems suspicious.

957
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,640
He wouldn't have let go of it.
Like you're talking about a

958
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,200
little bitty, not even a 2 inch
tall toy soldier.

959
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,360
Yeah.
You know.

960
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,840
For you to put that much
significance on it that you

961
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,240
automatically know if it's not
in the pocket, he has it with

962
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:35,200
him, you know.
And so when he when he does

963
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,360
that, when he, you know, when he
digs up the grave, when he

964
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,840
realizes Ben is not there, he's
joyous.

965
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,560
But now he's like, wait a
minute, I got a whole new

966
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,240
mystery to solve.
I I wasn't coming to be school,

967
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,120
you know, I wasn't coming to be
scooby-doo.

968
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,800
What what is going on?
What, what is happening?

969
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,760
Where is my cousin?
So, yeah, William is about to go

970
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,040
on adventure, which I don't
think it's going to take too

971
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,520
long because again, now we only
have 8 episodes.

972
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,720
So I don't have 8 episodes.
We don't need to.

973
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:06,720
Yeah.
But it it's going to be an.

974
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,920
Interesting, very interesting
tale.

975
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,440
Yeah, well, I.
You know, 'cause I'm still

976
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,360
waiting on Miss Amaranthus to
come out with whatever her scam

977
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,400
is.
Listen.

978
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,640
I'm just saying it's it's going
to get interesting.

979
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:34,120
It's going to get interesting.
But let's see, what else do we

980
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,160
need to like talk about talk
about because I'm I'm kind of

981
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,320
like Michelle.
I don't think anything like

982
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,600
really happened that's pushing
the story for in this particular

983
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,640
episode.
This was, I think, more so

984
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,360
filler and kind of background
information for episodes that

985
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,400
are to come.
You know, aside from the fact

986
00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:00,120
that, yes, Rachel had her baby
and I thought it was really

987
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,520
cute.
They, they kept the book name

988
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,960
for now.
But I think it was, it was weird

989
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,840
for me as a book reader because
you, you talk about calling him

990
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,560
arguing.
Oh, yeah, we've we've been

991
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,000
calling him arguing this whole
time while, you know, she was

992
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,600
pregnant.
But they don't really explain

993
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,840
the significance of that.
Like, it was a big, I want not a

994
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,120
big thing in the book, but it
was just kind of one of those

995
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,680
playful things, like, he doesn't
get his actual name, probably

996
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,080
for another year because they
can't figure out what to call

997
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,480
him.
You know, they went through all

998
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,200
the stuff.
I was like, you are not about to

999
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,840
name this child Marmaduke Ian,
right?

1000
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,240
I thought so, too.
I was like, OK, we're not going

1001
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,080
there.
No, we're not.

1002
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,440
Going there, I'll take wolf
goodness or.

1003
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,440
Fox even I'll take Fox, but
Marmaduke?

1004
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,480
No Marmaduke.
But if?

1005
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:53,920
They do what they did in the
book as far as how he gets his

1006
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,200
name and what his name is and
stuff like that.

1007
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,720
I think y'all will be pleased.
OK 'cause it it it's a.

1008
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,720
It's a really.
It's a very sweet and very full

1009
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,240
circle moment.
I really was like, name him.

1010
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,880
After, yeah, I thought about
that.

1011
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,280
I thought.
About.

1012
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:17,840
That too, but I don't know I.
I like.

1013
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,440
It sometimes when they.
Name babies after other

1014
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,440
characters.
But at the same time, I kind of

1015
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:29,000
feel like in a sense you're
putting, you're putting the

1016
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,560
expectations of someone else on
that child by naming them after

1017
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,640
them.
And I just don't think it's fair

1018
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,400
to that child because you're
giving them a name to live up to

1019
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,160
and on.
On the one hand, that can be a

1020
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,040
good thing, and on the what
other hand, it can be.

1021
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,080
I, I think it can be a thing
that's very intimidating for

1022
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,160
someone like no, give him his
own identity.

1023
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,600
Ian is already named after his
dad.

1024
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,920
Just, you know, was it Jenny
said, yeah, I figured we might,

1025
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,920
we, we should name one of the
kids after the man who fired

1026
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,320
him, you know, 6 kids down the
line.

1027
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,400
So.
But yeah, that that was.

1028
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,080
Sweet.
Fanny's talking about Janie.

1029
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:15,360
I do love that part.
And the the part about her

1030
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,040
looking through the mic, the
microscope and having the

1031
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,960
conversation with Claire.
And Claire's trying to explain

1032
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,280
one thing too.
And she was like, oh, so is that

1033
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,120
also with the women in the.
OK?

1034
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,640
Yes, that's what you need when
you when you get pregnant,

1035
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,760
talking about, you know, women's
natural lubrication.

1036
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,080
I was like, yeah.
Claire's like, no, we're not.

1037
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,400
We're we're not going to have
that conversation.

1038
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,120
Yeah, yeah.
But oh, that's so funny.

1039
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,680
I like that, Fanny.
'S settling into.

1040
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,600
The Ridge and that she's
settling in with with the

1041
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,800
family, but I still I hope that.
Where they left us with the

1042
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,480
faith.
Stuff is not where they're going

1043
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,360
to leave us with the face stuff.
I need y'all to talk one way or

1044
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,440
another definitively what
happened to this child, right?

1045
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,160
Go ahead and address it, get it
over with and and let us be done

1046
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,920
with it because the way that
they left it in that first

1047
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,360
episode, just kind of.
Oh yes, she did live and then

1048
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,240
she was killed.
OK, but how did she live?

1049
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,200
I that's not a good place to
leave it on.

1050
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,080
Like I just 'cause why even
mention her right?

1051
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,040
What was the whole point I mean?
Yes, I get it.

1052
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,840
You wanted to tie Claire, you
know, Claire and Jamie's family

1053
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:32,760
together, But again, it makes a
whole bunch of things really

1054
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,680
weird, especially with the fact
that William and Jane slept

1055
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,240
together.
And technically speaking, that

1056
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,480
would have been, that would have
been William's niece.

1057
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:44,480
That's just it's, and I
understand this is 1700s you,

1058
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,000
you marry into family, cousins
and cousins wed all the time.

1059
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:55,040
But still it's, it's a, it's a
weird way to to to, to build

1060
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,720
that story.
Doesn't William needs any more

1061
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,840
trouble?
Yeah, he doesn't.

1062
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,480
Listen.
Listen.

1063
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,920
He doesn't.
Oh God.

1064
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,680
The only other.
Thing that I really.

1065
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:16,080
Have AI won't say a gripe about
but you keep mentioning the

1066
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,480
twins but we have not seen the
twins yet.

1067
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,120
Only one?
There's one.

1068
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,360
Marquez and Isaiah, Yeah, we.
Want one when When?

1069
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,880
He came.
When Lizzie was trying to find

1070
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,800
out if Amy survived, he was with
her.

1071
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,040
Oh, OK.
And he was.

1072
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,200
When they went to a.
Hunt for the deer.

1073
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,840
I mean the deer, the bear.
Bear.

1074
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,080
Yeah.
He's on that last course.

1075
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,680
Him, but he.
Looked different.

1076
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,440
I was like, yeah, OK, he's on
that last course.

1077
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,360
Really like.
You know.

1078
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,000
Really put like, you know, I
just kind of like brush.

1079
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,400
Like it was kind of like that,
yeah.

1080
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,880
And I'm gonna need y'all to not
brush over.

1081
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,520
Them, you know, because because
they're, they're family.

1082
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,280
But when?
When they?

1083
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,400
Were talking to her.
And they were telling and she

1084
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,800
was talking about the bees and
they, and then she was leaving

1085
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,720
and they was like, yeah, you.
Jamie was like, yeah.

1086
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,880
For three of you, Josiah and
Kissy, he's Kissy.

1087
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,800
He's still uncomfortable with
that.

1088
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,760
Oh man, that's some funny.
Stuff right there.

1089
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,680
Yeah, that's funny.
But yeah, I would like.

1090
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,880
To see a little bit more of
them, yeah, I did like.

1091
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,880
You did mention that.
They did a lot of stuff from the

1092
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,200
book.
I did like that they did the

1093
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:37,400
talking to the bees thing, and I
thought that was special,

1094
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,800
especially since Jamie had
already said that.

1095
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,320
But then she was talking to the
bees at the end, I guess 'cause

1096
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,320
she needed to get stuff off her
chest, and I thought that was

1097
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,600
really cool.
Yeah, yeah.

1098
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,360
Because again, we look, we
didn't really get to know her

1099
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,920
very well, but it was a very
sad, very sad event.

1100
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,600
And then to see how.
Shaking like Rachel and

1101
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,280
especially Brianna.
Brianna was like really shaking

1102
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,560
because she was the one.
She was like, I had my rifle.

1103
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,240
It was right there, but baby,
you didn't know you was going to

1104
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,880
need it.
Like, no, 'cause that just went.

1105
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,360
I mean just let the girl have.
A seat and that bear just came

1106
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,000
out that.
Bear came out of nowhere and it

1107
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,800
was fast.
And also Breanna's such a.

1108
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,440
Like she doesn't build herself
up with all these incidents

1109
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,800
where she's a hard, you know,
she she, you know, she hardcore

1110
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,160
now.
She's not like a little wimpy

1111
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,400
girl.
And so for that to happen on her

1112
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,240
watch, I feel like it's gonna
probably plague her because she

1113
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,960
is that person who feels like
she's the protector and she got

1114
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,400
this.
And, you know, I got to go out

1115
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,200
and shoot something.
I'm.

1116
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,000
Like, oh Lord.
I know, but you know what I did?

1117
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,040
Feel some kind of way about the
fact that you know, they were

1118
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,280
bringing Aiden with them on the
hunt because they went to go

1119
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,240
hunt the bear and they were
like, you know he deserves a

1120
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,720
chance to avenge his mother,
which I thought was you know

1121
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,480
again, I feel like he was young
but I have to remember in those

1122
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,840
times that's kind of how you
taught the kids to be a man like

1123
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,560
you allow them to partake and
stuff like that it's the same

1124
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,760
thing it really brought to mind
Game of Thrones when the man

1125
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,040
took brands to go don't don't
look away.

1126
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,760
Father will know if you look
away right, right.

1127
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,240
You know, just thinking about
that.

1128
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,280
So, but they're looking for the.
Bear and this.

1129
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,760
Actually takes place, like I
said, over a longer span of time

1130
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,720
in the book.
I think it it takes place like

1131
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,920
literally from daylight to
sunset.

1132
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,200
And there's some other stuff
that happens in between and

1133
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,640
stuff like that.
But the fact that when they get

1134
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,080
to the bear, the bear is already
dead because Cunningham has

1135
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,720
gotten to it and he's like,
yeah, your your mother has been

1136
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:52,240
advanced.
That that it felt wrong to me

1137
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,280
because I was like.
Yeah, you, you.

1138
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:00,720
Talked to this kid and you made
it seem like he was going to be

1139
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:01,840
the.
One to be able.

1140
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:06,040
To do it and then all of a
sudden he doesn't even get a

1141
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,280
chance because I think in the
book, if I remember correctly,

1142
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,160
he had the chance to kill the
bear.

1143
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,840
But for some reason, I think I
think he.

1144
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,440
Backed away from doing.
It because he he didn't want to

1145
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,040
kill a living thing.
I think I'm remembering that

1146
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,400
correct.
And then someone else took the

1147
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,800
kill for him.
But it was one of those things

1148
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,760
where he actually had a say in
it.

1149
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,760
And the fact that he didn't in
this in this episode that I

1150
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,880
don't, I don't know some about
that just didn't fit right with

1151
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,840
me.
And I know that I don't think

1152
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,880
Captain Cunningham is.
I don't think he's.

1153
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,640
Antagonistic, but I don't know
something and I I don't remember

1154
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,760
much clearly about him from the
books, but something about him

1155
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:58,720
just seems really off.
Yeah.

1156
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:04,120
I didn't like it either because.
I also felt like knowing that.

1157
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,800
Whole 7 year.
Story I kind of feel like you

1158
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,600
just feel like now you just.
Going to do whatever.

1159
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,480
Because you ain't going to die
and you just out here doing

1160
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,040
crazy stuff and you going to get
somebody killed doing that

1161
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,400
because people going to always
be compelled to save you if

1162
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,920
something goes awry.
And then I also I just felt like

1163
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,920
they really should have let the
at least the husband, like maybe

1164
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,640
if you you could have pinned him
down, like got him down, but let

1165
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,640
the husband feel the finish it.
That was his wife.

1166
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,280
I don't know.
I didn't like that scene either.

1167
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,280
I didn't like the heat.
He was like, oh, I I've had my

1168
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,120
rifle.
So I just went on ahead.

1169
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,280
Nobody asked you.
Yeah, yeah, it.

1170
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,040
Just, I don't know, It's, it's
that it, it, it's that weird

1171
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,120
with me.
So yeah, but.

1172
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,840
Is there anything else we need
to talk about with this?

1173
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,120
Episode that's what I'm trying
to remember like is there

1174
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:56,080
something we?
Missed.

1175
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:01,880
I just know if anybody talking
about.

1176
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,880
How great their life is?
They bout to die, right?

1177
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,400
Listen, she was.
Talking about how?

1178
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,560
Good, like I said.
Oh, Oh no, I don't even know

1179
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,040
what's about to happen, But you
know, it wasn't.

1180
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,000
Going to be good, especially
when she walked off.

1181
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,360
Yeah, that's what I thought too.
I was like, what's?

1182
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,400
About I thought something,
right, I thought that too,

1183
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:25,560
'cause she was talking about the
answer.

1184
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,160
I'm like, she's about to have an
allergic reaction.

1185
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,240
She's far from them.
But then when the bears start

1186
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,200
coming, I was like, oh, OK, she
done.

1187
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,200
He came straight.
To her that.

1188
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,760
Was that was that was meant to.
Happen, girl.

1189
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:40,960
I'm sorry.
Yeah.

1190
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,520
That was meant to happen, but
no, I think we hit everything.

1191
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:50,320
Yeah, I can't.
Think of anything else, Yeah.

1192
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,120
So we have 8 more episodes,
yeah.

1193
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,800
We got some insane.
To me 'cause this is unfinished.

1194
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,200
Like this does not feel so
that's why I had.

1195
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,840
An issue with this episode but
now getting the information from

1196
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,160
you and how it relates to the
book.

1197
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:13,680
I'm OK but I'm thinking like.
Yeah, I, I, I, I really do feel.

1198
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,439
Like what they're doing is
they're they're giving us.

1199
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,600
Little bits of these back.
Stories of these people because

1200
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,000
at some point there are going to
be important to however they

1201
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,120
decide to write this ending
because again, they're varying

1202
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,560
from the book 10th book has been
written yet.

1203
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:34,200
So we don't know how Diana
Gabaldon is going to in the

1204
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:35,760
story.
So they're having to craft their

1205
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:40,080
own story.
So I feel like all of these

1206
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,600
people who they are showing us
are going to be important in

1207
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,840
some way to whatever the end of
this story is.

1208
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:50,240
And I know that I know we're
getting another big battle.

1209
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,479
It's just because Frank talks
about it in the book.

1210
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,800
We've seen the people starting
to show up talking about, yeah,

1211
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,399
there's war coming to the
Backcountry, whatever, whatever.

1212
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,840
All I got to say is Jamie bet
not dying.

1213
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,560
Michelle, I do not want to hear
you talking.

1214
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,399
Nothing about the notebook.
That was that was like I was in

1215
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:14,760
my head, like they better die.
Like the notebook, right?

1216
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,319
But like but.
Claire, I want to.

1217
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,760
Say, Claire, you can't tell that
man he not going to die.

1218
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,359
You're not going to die.
Oh boy, he he.

1219
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:24,800
One day he is gonna die.
What you gonna do?

1220
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,040
I feel like they think they
after all.

1221
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,640
These missed these missed
opportunities to die.

1222
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,279
They feel like they're getting
invincible.

1223
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:34,080
And I'm like y'all not Yeah, but
they still gonna get older.

1224
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,240
So at some point, yeah.
Hey, the notebook.

1225
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,680
Is the way to go.
But it won't be tragic.

1226
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,720
Though it'll just be normal.
Like the notebook?

1227
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:45,880
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like the notebook?

1228
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,600
'Cause anything else is tragic.
1 can live without the other

1229
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:54,600
that I I do feel.
That so, yeah.

1230
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,560
Yeah, yeah, I wanna know who
got.

1231
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,800
Even more fine this season,
Richard.

1232
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,720
Rankin boy, he doesn't he every
every season his glove just get

1233
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:09,360
better.
Listen, I'm just like, listen,

1234
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:10,680
give.
Me some Roger Mack.

1235
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:17,960
Any day and in person.
Like OK, but I say the.

1236
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:23,160
Casting Department.
They did very well with this

1237
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,680
cast.
Yes, so the all of them look

1238
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:30,800
good in person look good.
But yes, Richard is.

1239
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,280
Yes, Roger Mack is.
Is.

1240
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:41,240
Yeah, so.
You.

1241
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,960
Guys, have any final thoughts
for?

1242
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:47,160
This episode and wait for
Friday, I was gonna say.

1243
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,600
Something really bad, but I'm.
Not say it, say it.

1244
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,560
Look, give us something spicy to
end on, OK?

1245
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,200
Well, we learned about Lou.
But you know.

1246
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,280
How it's pretty when you in your
60s it.

1247
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:01,680
Don't.
It's.

1248
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,480
It's just and then you get an
example we.

1249
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:07,200
Learned earlier how it's
produced, and then later we

1250
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,280
learned how it just flows, so
you know.

1251
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,840
Something to aspire to, I.
Was going to say, you know, we

1252
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,280
should all be.
So lucky with, right?

1253
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,000
That's what I'm saying.
I mean, come.

1254
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,760
On 60s.
That all I need to do is say.

1255
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,520
I need you.
You like OK, OK.

1256
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:30,880
But you know, I'm just this is.
Claire and Jamie, I think they

1257
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:35,080
are just perpetually aroused by,
I mean for real, she.

1258
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:39,520
Probably was like in her dream,
like I'm gonna get me some dream

1259
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:40,800
because.
Right.

1260
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,360
Right.
He didn't even kiss her.

1261
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,360
Let me just say.
It was just like, oh.

1262
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,440
When knowing in real.
Life you go.

1263
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:52,040
With like I got to get up in the
morning.

1264
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,280
You shoot her.
Like you notice how she was

1265
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,080
having sleep during.
The whole thing right

1266
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,360
afterwards, she was just like,
OK, now I can go back to sleep.

1267
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,400
I mean the way I'll be graping
that.

1268
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,480
Adam, he tried to kiss me when
he leave for work.

1269
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,160
Child, you ain't right.
I'm like, you woke me up.

1270
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:17,880
You woke me up.
And we also and and.

1271
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,560
And it wasn't no marathon
session either.

1272
01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:24,600
No, no, no, no.
No, and like it was creepy.

1273
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:25,480
Because.
He had.

1274
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:31,800
His eyes wide open, sparing off
But but most of the time in.

1275
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,120
Back in those times, they really
do.

1276
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,480
Like the only time you really
see people closing their eyes is

1277
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:40,680
like during the romance stuff
and you know, all that stuff.

1278
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,280
That's one of the reasons why
Frank was so bothered by her

1279
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,160
closing her eyes, you know,
because he was like, why?

1280
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:48,720
Why are you?
Why are you doing this with your

1281
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,600
eyes closed?
You, you never closed your eyes

1282
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,520
before.
And to me, I'm, I'm, I'm sorry.

1283
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,560
I get like a stare, a, a longing
look every once in awhile.

1284
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,800
I'm not about to sit here and
just stare at you to hold.

1285
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,760
That's just why my whole hair.
Died.

1286
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,160
That's the reason.
But that's the total.

1287
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,040
Truth.
It's like this is weird that's

1288
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,560
why I.
Was weird the way he was looking

1289
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,600
though 'cause he wasn't.
Looking at her, he was just

1290
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:17,440
looking, but I think also OK.
But if that's the case, But he

1291
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:19,440
could have been looking at
Frank's ghost, like, yeah, you

1292
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:23,200
want to be in my face?
Now how about this girl?

1293
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,800
Oh my.
God, so that I really feel like

1294
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,560
that was 1.
Of those petty things it was, I

1295
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,480
need, I need you to exercise,
exercise this, this voice out of

1296
01:13:33,480 --> 01:13:35,520
my head.
I need to stop think.

1297
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,760
I need to stop thinking about
Frank and what he's telling me

1298
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,400
about my future and what's the
best way to do that?

1299
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,680
Plus, what's the best way to
shut Frank look up?

1300
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,280
Oh yeah, I'm gonna go fuck this
woman that you've been in love

1301
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,920
with for 40 something years that
you can't even let go of.

1302
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:53,400
And death.
It was he did that and I loved

1303
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,520
it.
He.

1304
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:55,760
Did that.
I was like.

1305
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:02,080
OK, come on, Jamie.
Yeah, I was like, OK, yeah, but

1306
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,040
the the preview for the next
episode looks interesting.

1307
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:07,880
I didn't.
Did I watch?

1308
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,360
I missed it.
Oh.

1309
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,920
Yeah, you think I watched?
It I just don't remember it.

1310
01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:17,280
I think I watch some drama.
It's about to be some drama, but

1311
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,800
that's OK as always.
But that's what we're here for.

1312
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,720
Right.
You don't have much to go here,

1313
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,440
so what's going to happen?
Give it.

1314
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:29,480
To us, give it to us all the
drama.

1315
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,880
All right, well, 8 episodes left
at some point.

1316
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,360
We're going to do what we have
planned on doing with this

1317
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,760
season.
We had all said before this

1318
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,800
season started, we were like,
we're going to we're going to do

1319
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,960
watch parties together and we're
going to record our reactions.

1320
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:49,840
We, when I say everybody's
schedule has been like this and

1321
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,000
we have not had a chance to do
it.

1322
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,960
But I have a feeling we'll
probably, I would say we'll

1323
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:57,720
probably for the last maybe 3 or
4 episodes.

1324
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,560
I think we'll try to make that a
priority because I have a

1325
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,000
feeling there's some big things
that's going to happen that we

1326
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:07,400
might need to get some reactions
to.

1327
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:12,640
So we'll try to get that done.
But for now, that is it for our

1328
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,400
show.
You can find us online at

1329
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,360
www.phantomhybrid.com.
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1330
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:19,960
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1331
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,640
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1332
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,440
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1333
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:28,200
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1334
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,320
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1335
01:15:30,320 --> 01:16:02,600
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