Outlander (Season 8 Episode 3) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #401

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Dina and we are discussing
season 8, episode 3 of

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Outlander.
And unfortunately, Michelle is

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not joining us tonight, but I'm
sure she has some things to say

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about this episode.
So we will get her thoughts on

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the next recording.
But OK, so I'm going to say

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this.
There are some things about this

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episode I had some issues with.
OK, not bad, not bad.

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There was just some things going
on that I was just kind of like

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looking and I was just like, OK,
I, I'm going to have to bring

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that up.
The first thing is, and I think

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we're all in agreement about
this, I need Jamie to get over

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himself.
I, I, I'm, it's, it's really,

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it's really getting to the point
where he's starting to work my

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nerves about this whole Lord
John.

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Yeah, no, I agree.
I was.

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I was going to be one of my main
gripes.

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He definitely.
I get it, he holds a grudge.

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He's a jealous man.
I totally understand that.

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But here's the other thing.
Do you honestly think that this

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woman who thought you were dead
and didn't have any hopes of you

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returning because literally the
people who would know you were

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dead said you were dead?
Do you honestly think she would

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never be with anybody else?
I mean let's just be real, when

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the first time y'all separated,
you had a whole lover even

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though you obviously didn't love
that Lady, but you had a whole

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lover.
You had a whole relationship,

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you know, because you thought
you would never see Claire

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again.
Yeah.

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And so death is a little more
final than going through the

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stone, you know what I mean?
And so I kind of feel like he's.

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I think it's because it's John.
And you know, I think that too,

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because I thought the same
thing.

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I'm like, OK, Jamie, so I
understand like the two the two

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times that he didn't, you know,
that he had relations while

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Claire was gone, even though
those were not ideal situations.

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Still, he thought in his mind
Claire was dead, right?

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She's 200 years in the future.
He has no way of.

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I mean, there's no reason for
him to think that she would ever

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come back, you know, especially
if she thinks that he died of

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collide.
So you had your one little thing

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before you went off to Arts
Mirror, and then you had your

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one little thing with Geneva,
which, again, neither situation

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was ideal.
Neither situation was even your

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plan, you know what I'm saying?
So I get it.

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But still, it's like she doesn't
hold that over you.

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Yeah.
I mean, you have a whole child.

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Yeah, because of one of those
dalliances, right?

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Oh, let's not forget you marry
her arch enemy even though you

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did it for a benevolent,
balevolent person.

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But this lady literally tried to
get Claire killed and she

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forgave you.
I ain't heard her talk about

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what's her name?
Leary.

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I ain't heard her talk about
Leary in 20 years.

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Right, except for when they went
to Scotland and she was like, I

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mean, and even then she was
joking with them.

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You know, if you really want to
know who she's sleeping with all

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you got, there are other ways
for you to find out then going

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to see him.
Like she let it go.

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But again, I think the thing
with it being Lord John, and I

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don't know, maybe I don't think
Jamie is jealous in the sense

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that it was about him, you know
what I'm saying?

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But I think also in a small part
it probably is, even though he

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probably won't acknowledge that
cause like Lord John has been in

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love with him all this time.
Exactly like you in love with me

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but you will see with my wife.
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Like, oh, you can't have me but
you, but you gonna have my wife.

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Like I'm sure there's a little
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jealousy there for him, even
though he's not attracted to

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John in that way.
But still, that's like a big

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change up.
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And then you think about also
like, the only time he probably

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ever constantly made it anything
with a woman or getting it was

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when he married the sister of
Geneva's sister.

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And that was for marriage sake.
You know what I mean?

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He had to pretend.
So it's like, you don't even

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like what you're doing.
How is it that this is the time

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you need to do this thing?
And it's like.

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And that's the thing, like
Claire has already explained

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that to him, and even Lord John
explained it to him like it

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wasn't a love thing.
Because you really think that

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Claire would hop in the bed with
somebody weeks or months after

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Jamie's presumed that she it
took her a whole year to get

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back in bed with Frank.
And then after a couple of

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times, she didn't sleep with him
again for 20 years.

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So it's kind of like, I feel
like he's overreacting.

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And I, I get it.
He's a jealous man.

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He's told her he's a jealous
man.

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But also at the same time, it's
not a good look and I don't

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really like the way they're I
don't want to say that the show

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was kind of romanticizing that.
I don't think that's it.

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But the fact that, you know,
they have this big this I don't

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even want to say blow out
because really he's the one

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that's mad Clarence just kind of
like I'm so over this at this

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point.
But but to go from all of that

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and the whole, you know, every
time I think about you with him,

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I want to position it, it comes
across very. 1700s evolved so

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much from that mindset so when
he.

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Got We still have it.
And then you have Claire kind

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of, I don't even know if I want
to say rewarding it, but it's

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like her excuse to making him
forget is to seduce him and have

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sex with him.
And I'm just kind of like, yeah,

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let's not do this.
Let's not.

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I just don't want that to be a
normal thing, you know?

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You have to prove her loyalty
and love.

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This woman has gone through the
stones to be back with you when

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she could have just went on with
her life if they were her

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husband.
Right.

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And I came back.
She really could.

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The first time you tried to send
her through the stones, she

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could have left.
She could have left.

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She decided to stay.
So not once, but twice she came

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back for you.
That should tell you anything.

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Everything and she was about to
be hung.

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This man saved her life.
And again, Michelle and I talked

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about this last season.
As much as Lord John gives to

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the Fraser family, Jamie needs
to let this go.

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Because he treasures his his
friendship with Jamie, like he,

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Jamie knew what he was about
Jamie didn't.

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He was like, look, I ain't about
that, but OK, you, you just be

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you and we and we can be friends
and we can leave it at that.

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And he treasures that.
John really holds him to a high

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esteem because he could have
done anything.

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He could have dimed him out.
He could have killed him for,

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for wanting for expressing that.
And he didn't.

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And I know John is grateful.
I know John really loved Jamie.

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Like there's no doubt aside from
love Jamie, he platonically

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loves Jamie and so it's a huge
thing for John to have them and

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and they're like he was he's
willing to marry Brianna when

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she was in a spot.
You know what I'm saying?

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He is just always there for
them.

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And so my thing is that should
definitely override.

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And he's, he's raising your kid.
Yeah.

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Oh, and yeah.
Your.

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Child.
OK, so yeah, I just at this

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point, it is old.
I need Jamie to get over it

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because again, you know, like
the conversation they had later

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on when she was reading Frank's
book, he was like, we went to

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bed fighting about your third
husband and I wake up this

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morning to see you reading a
book from your first husband.

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She was like, we're lucky for
you, I'm only in love with my

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second husband.
Like, period, point blank.

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That should be the only
important thing at this point.

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That's it.
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It just at this point let it go
because it's been at this point,

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it's been a few years.
Yeah, let it go.

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Everybody has moved on aside
from him.

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Right.
I mean, the woman almost died.

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Right.
Yeah, and now he's getting

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Frank's book kind of.
I think it also has something to

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do with him reading Frank's book
and kind of having Frank like

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heavily in his life right now.
Also that's probably got him

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because he also was still
hearing Frank talking throughout

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this episode again, which I'm
like Oh my God.

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OK, so, so here's the other
thing.

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And I didn't even think about
this.

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I happen to, you know, I try to,
I try to stay away from

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discussions about the episode
until we've discussed it because

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I don't want anybody else's
thoughts to kind of bleed into

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mine.
But I saw something.

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I came across something on
social media and I saw it and I

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was like, Oh my God, that makes
so much sense.

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I don't even remember where I
saw it, but somebody was saying

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that what they don't like about
the whole voice over thing with

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Jamie is how would Jamie know
what Frank sounds?

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Like sounds like.
Yeah, yeah.

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And I get it that he's hearing
it and I, I feel like he's

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hearing it and Blackjack
Randall's voice because of the

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fact that Blackjack Randall
looks so much like him.

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But it is one of those things
where it's kind of like, yeah,

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that wouldn't make sense.
Yeah, it wouldn't.

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But.
But again, like I said, I feel

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like I feel like, yes, he's
hearing it in Blackjack's voice

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and this just kind of this
torturous thing and then going

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to the conversation that he and
Claire have after that when

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they're trying to determine,
like, what was the whole purpose

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of Frank writing this book?
Did he mean for Claire to read

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it when she was alive or when he
was alive, you know, when she

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was still there so that she
could see?

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And I don't know if I feel like
Frank would be.

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That cruel.
Yeah, that because for him to to

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sit there, write that book and
do all of that and then be like,

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oh, here for her to see that all
that time Jamie was alive, Frank

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knew Jamie was alive and just it
just I mean, it does kind of

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explain a lot of his behavior
towards Claire and how he acted

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towards her.
But at the same time, it's kind

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of like Bill, you could, you
could have had your happily ever

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after with Sandy.
You could have let Claire go.

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But of course, that would have
meant losing Brianna.

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And I know he didn't want to do
that.

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But still, at the same time,
Frankie really had no right, You

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know, I understand you loved
Claire.

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I understand your love for her
never changed even though hers

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did.
I understand you love Brianna.

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But even with that, Brianna was
not biologically your daughter.

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If there was a chance for her to
go back to meet her dad, would

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it be with her dad?
You could have had maybe at that

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point, that's when y'all talked
to Brianna and said, OK, look, I

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know this is a weird situation,
but let me tell you about your

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real father.
And then maybe when she got

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older, let her decide what she
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I mean, there was so many, so
many other ways that they could

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have that Frank could have
handled that.

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But thinking about what Claire
said, it's kind of like now you

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don't know what's real.
You don't know what what's not

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real is this stuff that Frank
actually found out.

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I mean, the fact that Jamie has
already met one of the guys that

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Frank talks about kind of leans
towards, OK, Frank.

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Frank knew some stuff.
But at the same time, it's kind

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of like he doesn't mention
Claire in the book.

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Of course, he he never mentioned
any of this to Claire when they

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were together.
And then in the show, they

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really don't put the information
from the books that Frank knew

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Jamie was alive because in the
books, book spoiler for anybody

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who probably hasn't heard us
talk about this before and the

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books the whole way that
clarifies out that Jamie

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survived colliding is because
she goes back to the Abbey where

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she gave birth to Faith.
She goes back to the to that

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church and she's in the
graveyard and she sees a grave

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marker with Jamie's name on it.
And she was like, no, not not

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the same ad because that was in
France.

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She was in Scotland.
She went to a church, but she

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saw his grave and she was like,
what the fuck are you doing

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here?
You supposed to be on Collada,

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you know, on Collada field.
That's how she realized.

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And then later on, in a letter
that between Frank and the

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Reverend Roger's father, Roger
finds out that Frank knew about

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it because Frank was the one who
put the grave marker up.

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See, I don't even remember that.
That's been so long since I've

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written.
That was in, I think that they

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talked about that in Fiery
Cross.

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So you may not, you may not have
gotten to that yet if you're not

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at book 5.
OK, yeah, yeah, OK.

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Then that's, that's yeah, 'cause
I think I stopped at 4:00.

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Yeah.
So it's kind of when they went.

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To the Caribbean, right?
No, this was this was after

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everything that happened with
Claire and they were getting

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ready to do Rodger and Brianna's
actual wedding.

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This was like a year after the
the other hand fasting.

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They were about to do the actual
ceremony, and he and Jamie had

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gone off to the side to talk,
and Rodger showed him a letter

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that he brought with him that
Frank and his father had written

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back and forth.
And Frank said something about

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this grave, But they don't
really hit in the show up until

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this point that Frank knew that
Jamie was alive.

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You know, So it's kind of like
one of those things where is he

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saying this stuff just because
he wanted to get under Claire's

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skin?
Is he doing it out of

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bitterness?
Because like Jamie said, Jamie

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was like, would he carry that
kind of hate?

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She was like, wouldn't you?
I mean, think about it, you're

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mad because of a marriage she
had with Lower John for, as she

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said, a few weeks.
I think in the book it was

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actually a few months, but still
less than a year, less than half

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a year and you are holding this
much anger.

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Imagine your wife goes through
some stones, she disappears for

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two years.
She comes back, she's pregnant

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by another man.
She's still in love with another

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man.
And I'm, I'm sure when Claire

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told Frank the whole story, I'm
sure she also told him that at

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one point Jamie tried to send
her back and she chose to stay

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because Claire doesn't even in
this episode, she promised Jamie

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honesty.
She did the same with Frank.

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Claire never held anything back
and she didn't lie, Right?

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Right.
So yeah, I'm sure Frank was in

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his feelings.
I'm sure Frank did a lot of

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things that were probably very
petty, very messy, very cruel.

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And now it's kind of like, So
what do we do?

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We believe what he wrote or do
we try to like, are we really

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trying to change history if we
don't know for sure this is what

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happens?
But I'm.

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Glad they discussed it though.
But they, they had the presence

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of mind to be like, OK, let's
consider these options because

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like obviously we did after we
saw that he got, he got the book

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and he mentioned him 1314 times.
They're like something untoward

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here.
Somebody had the presence of

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mind to discuss.
That, but also I think that they

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were able to do that as well
because I mean, for a lot of

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reasons, Jamie can't really be
mad at Frank.

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Frank was there first.
Frank has done nothing wrong and

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that in regards to who should be
with Claire and who has.

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Yeah, and Frank was first again,
reiterating what I said the last

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time.
If it wasn't for Frank and

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Claire's being married and going
on holiday, he wouldn't have

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Claire to begin with.
It's crazy when you think about

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though, they only had basically
like what, 8 days of marriage or

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something like that?
And then she goes off to the

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Highlands and finds a new man.
Oh yeah, So technically her and

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Frank's relationship wasn't even
a relationship, No.

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She was probably technically
married to Frank less for less

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amount of time than she was to
Lord John.

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Oh, man.
If you think about it, she spent

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less time with him.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So yeah, I mean, they probably,

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who knows how long they were
actually, like together together

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before that.
But you know, engagements and

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courtships didn't last long back
then for a lot of people.

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You met, courted and got married
all within a month.

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Via letter and you know, like
Julian and Henry.

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Right.
So, but the other thing about

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that that I actually did like.
So the reason why they get into

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this whole thing about Laura
John is because he has written a

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letter to Claire about Brianna.
He wants Brianna to come and

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paint a portrait of Amaranthus
and Trevor.

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Now, the only thing that kind of
bothered me about that is how

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does Laura John know that
Brianna is there?

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Because the last time he saw
Brianna, she and Rodger were

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getting ready to go to Boston.
This was before they went

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through the stones.
But how long are they like?

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How long?
What's the time like period

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can't be that long, right?
Like for them to have sent them

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a letter or something like it
can't be.

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But see they why would they?
Because Jamie.

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Jamie is not speaking to Lord
John.

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William isn't really having
anything to do with Jamie at

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this point.
So unless Claire maybe wrote to

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William and said, hey, you know,
here's how Fanny how Fanny is

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doing.
By the way, Brianna's here.

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But but again, at the time that
William and Brianna met, he

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didn't know Brianna was his
sister.

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So Claire probably wouldn't
think to say, hey, Breanna's

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back.
But also at the same time, she

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didn't even know that they were
in Savannah.

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So it just that continuity is
kind of weird for me because how

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does Lord John know that Breanna
is back in Fraser's Ridge?

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So but so when they're having
that conversation and Brianna

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was like, so why is Lord John
writing to you and not to die?

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Not to die.
And Claire's like, yeah, they

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kind of not speaking to each
other.

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Oh, well, why not?
She said, well, because when I

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thought Jamie was dead, I
married.

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And Brianna's, like, what she
was like, well, you know, I was

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about to be arrested as a spy,
blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Brando's like, OK, Well, I don't
understand why he's mad.

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It's not like you slept with
him.

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And then when Claire?
Since she gave.

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Those that little, yeah.
The little eyes looking to the

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left like.
And Brianna was like, how am I

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going to look Lord John in the
face now?

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Do I have to call him that?
Clearly like you do that shit

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so.
I'm surprised she said that out

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loud, to be honest, because you
never know what Jamie anywhere.

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Yeah, like, I don't know.
But the thing that I liked about

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that, but also what made me sad,
it makes you realize how

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isolated Claire is because the
fact that she that she could

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only have that conversation with
her daughter because she doesn't

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have any close girlfriends
around.

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She doesn't have anyone else
aside from Jamie that she can

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confide in.
And of course you can't talk to

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him about that.
Right.

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But you also, back in them days,
you couldn't tell a woman now,

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honestly, because they would
judge you.

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They would judge you.
You didn't stay in black and

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mourn your husband for seven
years.

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Something crazy, you know, Like
they wouldn't judge her.

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Yeah, but I mean it was either
get married or die.

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Or right, right.
I mean, but you know, like still

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they didn't care back in the
days everything was a woman

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fault.
No matter what it was, it's

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always.
I know you know, but yeah,

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that's definitely have me
laughing so hard.

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So I I like the way that they're
doing it because that means that

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some of the characters from the
book have kind of been cut out

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in order to kind of, I guess,
quickly facilitate Brianna's

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story and William Store, because
they are going to meet this

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season.
I don't think that's I don't

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think it's much of A spoiler to
say that you can't have William

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find out that she's a sister and
then they not interact with.

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So, yeah, because I think in
the, I think in the books, there

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was someone else, there was like
a, a British officer's daughter

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that she was going to do the
portrait for Continental officer

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daughter, somebody, it was
somebody else that didn't have

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to do with Amaranthus and and
Trevor.

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But like I said, they're,
they're cutting out all the, the

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middle man and stuff like that.
So I'm that part I'm really

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looking forward to because I
really want to see Brianna and

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William meet properly and I want
to see how they're going to

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develop that relationship and
the show, because in the books

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is starting to develop pretty
nicely.

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And then if you've read what I
know you haven't because you

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haven't gotten that far in the
books yet, but Diana Gabaldon,

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she posts snippets from book 10
and a few of her snippets have

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involved Brianna and William.
And I'm like, if this is what

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we're getting just in the
snippets, I, I can't wait to

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read that book because I really
want to see that relationship

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develop.
You know, William just got it.

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He, he got to come to terms with
the fact that he got more than

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one family.
He's just going to.

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Have to go, yeah.
But Speaking of William, we've

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got a lot going on in this
episode, too.

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Yeah, I just, I, you know what,
as much as you get on my nerves,

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sometimes I feel so bad for him
because he really wants his

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cousin to be still alive and
he's and it sucks when you're,

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you have a strong feeling
towards something and then you

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have, you're telling your people
and your people are like you're

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just, you're, you're just
thinking, you're just, you know,

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they disregard your feelings or
how you think.

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So, you know, and I'm not saying
that Laura John should just

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stoke the fire and be like,
yeah, keep investigating.

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But like, God, he just give him
a little support.

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The man is at least up out of
the room.

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He, he he not drinking if you
want something constructive.

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So like I just, yeah, I feel bad
for him because I know he

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clearly loved his cousin and he
wants answers.

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He wants the answers, you know,
enough to travel the way he's

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travelled to, just to, to the
enemy to get information, you

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know.
Right.

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He's like, OK, yeah.
I just need to get this

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information, you know, and the
things that he's found as far

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as, like, he found a, you know,
different body in Ben's grave.

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And I understand what Lord John
is saying.

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It's just as likely that Ben was
buried in someone else's grave

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by accident.
Like, let's be honest, to the

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British officers, these are all
prisoners.

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Or to the Continental Army,
these are all prisoners.

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They're all British officers.
They don't care about them.

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Just like the way this, this
dude who keeps coming up on

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Jamie's property, he don't care
about the enemy.

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He's just like, oh, OK, y'all
British folks, we going to hang

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out, We going to shoot them.
I'm going to shoot y'all.

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Whatever.
No.

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Questions.
No questions asked.

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But I think it's very
interesting what he does find,

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you know, when he's bringing the
the Ben's items to Amaranthus.

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And Amaranthus has all of Ben's
things in the drawer.

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And he does find a little tin
soldier.

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And she says, yeah, Ben wanted
me to give it to the baby when

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he was, you know, when he was
born.

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I was like, something about that
seems weird because here you

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are, you're going on a raiding
party and you're not expecting

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to come back.
You're going to give a toy to

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the baby.
You literally can't.

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Like he's not going to play with
that toys.

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He's what, 5 or 6?
And I don't even think it's AI,

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don't even know if it's about
that.

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I, I think he was trying to pass
it along because it was a, a

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family thing or it was a like a
symbol of brotherhood because

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like even when William is
telling Lord John about and Lord

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John is like, OK, so you think
he's alive because he didn't

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take your toy soldier with him
And he was like, no, I knew you

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wouldn't understand.
I think it was more so it it

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symbolizes their bond as cousins
and as brothers because William

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says that Henry and Ben were
like more like brothers to him

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and cousins.
So I can understand Ben wanting

446
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,760
to leave that behind for Trevor.
But again, you're assuming that

447
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,840
you're not going to come back.
Yeah.

448
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,080
I mean, I guess in any.
Case it's war You you probably

449
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,360
always assume that you there's a
possibility, I guess, but I

450
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,160
don't know, it just felt weird
because she was she just had an

451
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,120
answer like right away.
Oh yeah, yeah.

452
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,480
Because I don't trust her.
So everything she says to me

453
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,760
sounds like it's something
fabricated.

454
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,880
And so I'm like, when she said
that, I was like, when when he

455
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,960
was born, she wanted, he wanted
me to give him this toy.

456
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:24,480
And I'm like, I don't think so.
It depends on it depends on what

457
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,240
what way they're going in the
show as far as the book,

458
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,520
because, because there is
something, if you listen to a

459
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,120
conversation, if you listen to
the conversation that Ben had

460
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:39,080
with William when they when he
gave him the soul, the soldier,

461
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,280
and then you think about what
Amarantha said.

462
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,360
I was like, oh, wait, something
about that doesn't add up.

463
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:50,920
And I don't want to say what it
is because then.

464
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,720
I'm gonna go back and watch it
because I I I yeah, No, I'm

465
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,240
gonna go back and it'll be in
spoilery territory.

466
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,680
OK, OK.
I'm gonna go back and look at it

467
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,760
then because I'm like, I don't
know.

468
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,920
This girl just does not settle
well with me.

469
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,080
I just.
I don't know.

470
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,960
Yeah.
Because it's just this show

471
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:11,240
breeds like people who are
untrustworthy, as we find out.

472
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:17,040
Yeah, yeah, especially when you
sit here more, which I get it,

473
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,000
it's been almost a year at this
point.

474
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,120
You're mourning your husband,
but then you're kissing his

475
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,040
cousin.
Making eyes, making clothes.

476
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:26,600
And I know Michelle going to
have some things to say about

477
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,480
that because she said I don't
want him to fall for her.

478
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,040
I want him to find somebody
that's his own.

479
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,560
That.
He can fall for.

480
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,560
So I don't know where that
relationship is going to go

481
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,800
because I think even in the book
is kind of, it's kind of unclear

482
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,080
at this point.
But there's a lot more, there's

483
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,720
a lot more stuff that happens
that I'm sure they'll get to in

484
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,320
this in this season.
But I did see something on

485
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,720
Facebook yesterday.
So a lot of times when Diana

486
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,120
Gabaldon post things about the
show, sometimes you always get

487
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:04,000
people in her comments coming in
talking about how old they've

488
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,280
messed the show up.
It's not like the books, blah,

489
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,960
blah, blah, blah, blah.
And certain things, which again,

490
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,440
I get if your book purist,
there's some things about the

491
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,560
show that's not going to sit
right with you because they've

492
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,920
changed some things.
They've let's left some things

493
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,560
out, you know, to make the story
float better on the show.

494
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,760
But she did make a comment on a
post recently that I saw because

495
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,320
somebody was talking about how
they were going to end the show.

496
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,240
And she's given an interview
that I saw earlier.

497
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,640
And she said she thinks that the
show ended on a really good note

498
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,200
and that the fans will be
pleased.

499
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,160
OK.
But she also said that they are

500
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,960
ending the show with book 9
because she has not given them

501
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,080
anything about book 10.
Like there there are a couple of

502
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,200
pieces here and there that don't
have a significant impact on the

503
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,720
story.
But she said other than that,

504
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,200
they they don't have book 10, so
they can't include anything from

505
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,600
book 10 because they don't have
it.

506
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,440
So the show has to come up with
their own ending, which again,

507
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,480
I'm, I'm great.
I'm I'm OK with because I

508
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,640
wouldn't want them to get into
book 10 story before I've read

509
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,040
book 10.
You know, like, again, going

510
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,040
back to what I said a couple of
episodes ago, why would you give

511
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,440
the book ending away and the
book hasn't come out yet?

512
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,840
Because then you're not giving
anybody any.

513
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,280
Well, not anybody, but you're
not giving like say the show,

514
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,160
only people who may be waiting
for the show to be over before

515
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920
they start reading the books.
If you give them the whole no

516
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,880
story, what incentive are they
going to have to go and read it?

517
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,440
You know, I'm a go read it
because I'm a fan of the books

518
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,440
as well as the show, and I know
how to separate them too, you

519
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:58,640
know.
So yeah, I just, it's, it's

520
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,920
going to be interesting to see
where they go with William and

521
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,840
Amaranthus in the storyline,
because I, if they're going in

522
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,120
the direction I think they're
going, it's going to get very

523
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,320
interesting within the next, I
would say episode or two.

524
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,280
But then you also have the other
stuff that's kind of pulling in.

525
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,480
You know, William and John are
at this dinner and William is

526
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,280
going to sit next to him.
And who comes and sit next to to

527
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,160
Lord John, but Percy his his
former stepbrother and I was

528
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,680
like, this dude is mighty bowl
grabbing his leg in the middle

529
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,480
of lunch whenever and and lower
John is not subtle at all.

530
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,280
He's just like, dude, I'm, I'm
in like.

531
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,280
Weren't you a spy on top of each
other?

532
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,840
So how are they?
How are they having this

533
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,840
conversation?
It's literally somebody on the

534
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,120
side of him, people in front of
them.

535
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Well, they're having their own
conversations and I'm sure they

536
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,480
know how to whisper, but still.
This.

537
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,920
Comedy.
I would have been like.

538
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,920
But I don't think so.
The conversation that they're

539
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,760
having isn't anything that I
think will perk anybody's ears

540
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,800
up.
Because Percy comes to Lord John

541
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,520
because he's like, hey, I need
you to put me in touch with

542
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,200
someone who I'm looking to get
in touch with a Claudel Fergus

543
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,520
Fraser.
And Lord John is like, who is

544
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,360
that?
Oh, well, you know, he was born

545
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760
in a brothel.
He was rescued from said brothel

546
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,880
by a tall Scott, redheaded
Scott.

547
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680
And purse is sitting there
looking at John like, I know

548
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:32,160
you're tight, but he's like, I,
you know, I think they're

549
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,640
related.
I, I don't need you to betray

550
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,040
your friend.
I just need you to get this

551
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Claudel Fraser to get in touch
with me because I have something

552
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,920
that might be a bone to him.
Now, I don't know if you know

553
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560
about what this is about, but
I'm going to tell you now.

554
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,960
If they do what they do in the
books, you're going to be like,

555
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,960
what the fuck?
Oh yeah, I definitely don't.

556
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,320
But we can.
We can get.

557
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,240
Spoiled.
We can spoil it after we record.

558
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,560
OK.
I was like, why does he want

559
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,840
Fergus?
Is he going best with him

560
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,120
because he's printing seditious
material?

561
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,200
Like what's happening here?
This guy is kind of skeevy.

562
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,320
So I was like, what does he want
Fergus for?

563
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,840
It's a little more interesting
than that.

564
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,400
OK, OK, I got some ideas that
just popped in my head though.

565
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,320
OK.
I can.

566
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,120
I can almost guarantee you
anything that you're thinking

567
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,400
of.
Nope, because when I when I

568
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,000
found out about it, when I heard
about it, because I had heard

569
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:35,040
rumors based on one of the one
of the short stories, one of her

570
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,920
side stories, the novellas.
And I was like, then when I read

571
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,080
it in the book, I was like, Oh
my God.

572
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,200
So yeah, it's crazy.
We'll talk about it afterwards.

573
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:52,720
But the the other thing is when
Percy brings Lord John into this

574
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,160
and he was like, Hey, I just I
just need you to do this favor

575
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,520
with me for me.
And Lord John is like, OK, you

576
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,480
did me.
You did me a solid by saving

577
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,840
Williams life.
You know, telling me about that.

578
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,200
So I'll I'll help you.
I'm not going to promise

579
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,360
anything, but I will do it.
But I still need you to do me a

580
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,320
favor.
And it's that they want to find

581
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,920
Captain Richardson, because
again, he was a turncoat.

582
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,600
He tried to send William to his
death.

583
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,560
So in in addition to all of this
stuff that William is dealing

584
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,520
with, he also has to deal with
the fact that somebody that he

585
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,400
trusted tried to have him
killed.

586
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,680
Which is so messed.
Up, which is so messed up, but

587
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,480
they're like Richardson has
seemingly disappeared into thin

588
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,440
air.
We haven't been able to find him

589
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,000
now.
Do you recall seeing a Captain

590
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,920
Richardson last season?
I don't remember, I'm so bad

591
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,880
about remembering certain
details.

592
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,000
I'm going to bring it up because
it's because it's, if you look

593
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,680
at it closely and we've just
Michelle and I discussed this.

594
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:05,840
So you remember in the 1980s
when Brianna was escaping with

595
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:11,560
her children from Lally Brock
because Rob Cameron's friend had

596
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,920
it surrounded and someone was
trying to pull her out the van

597
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,000
and she closed the van door and
the guy fell that he took his

598
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,360
mask, his took his mask off.
That was Captain Richardson.

599
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:27,120
OK, so yeah, and see, that's the
thing, because I split up the

600
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,120
season and then I didn't finish
for a long time and then I had

601
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,960
to bend so I could catch up, so
I could be, you know, I didn't

602
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,159
give any like that detail I
missed because I hadn't washed

603
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,520
up at the beginning.
Michelle didn't catch it either.

604
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,800
I own the only reason why I even
caught it was because of the

605
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,560
fact that I had literally just
read it in the books because I

606
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,800
prepped for Dragon Con last year
and I read the last.

607
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,920
I read the the last three books
like within a two week time

608
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,880
span.
I don't even think it took me

609
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,720
two weeks because written in my
own heart's blood book AI

610
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:08,400
literally read that in 24 hours.
I did not put that book down.

611
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,160
Oh.
My.

612
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:15,320
God, so I was, I was familiar
with the fact that he was a time

613
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,400
traveler as well.
They still don't go into a whole

614
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:24,640
bunch with him, but you do kind
of find out why he was, why he

615
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,480
was aiming for William, why he
was trying to, you know,

616
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,200
threaten William.
And it it, it comes into a whole

617
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,560
other thing that they may or may
not touch upon in this season.

618
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,920
I'll leave it alone.
But yeah, Richardson, probably

619
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,360
after doing what he did to
William, he probably took a hike

620
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,240
and was like, OK, I need to go
regroup.

621
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:49,640
I need to go do something right.
Which is crazy.

622
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,920
So them thinking that because
Jim told Cameron about the gold

623
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,720
that that was the only reason.
We're really sounds like

624
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,800
Richardson had a little hand in
that.

625
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,440
Could, could be.
Yeah, OK.

626
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:10,120
Could be because I I'm going to
assume that at least for the

627
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,960
show, because again, they don't
really talk about his background

628
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,720
and why he's going back and
forth.

629
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:21,000
If that's the case, I'm going to
assume that with the show, if he

630
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,240
knew who William was when he
sent him to his death.

631
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:29,360
Not only just that he's Lord
John Gray's son.

632
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:35,480
If he already knows about
Brianna and the Scottish gold

633
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,880
and has figured out that William
is Brianna's brother, that might

634
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,360
have had something to do with
why he did that as well.

635
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,280
But I'm not sure because again,
nobody really nobody really

636
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,680
knows about Williams
relationship to Jamie and

637
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,160
Brianna.
But according to the books he

638
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,240
favors Jamie a lot.
Like if you put them in the same

639
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,440
room together people figure it
out.

640
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,440
Like in the book, Fanny figured
it out.

641
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,640
A couple other people who have
been around them, they kind of

642
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,080
figured it out.
They were like, yeah, it's kind

643
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,440
of obvious that that's his, that
that's your dad.

644
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,400
Yeah.
So so they may, they may do

645
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,160
that.
It it'll be interesting to see

646
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,200
how they do it.
But yeah, first he says he's

647
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,640
going to help them find
Richardson.

648
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,200
I don't know how that's going to
happen.

649
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,200
Well, I mean, he clearly got
some, some somebody that he can

650
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,760
he he got connections something,
something.

651
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,480
Yeah, he, he, he, he and he he
stayed in the right spaces.

652
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,560
How has he not been like out?
He always got somebody.

653
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,880
Here, because what did he say?
He worked.

654
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,680
For and when they saw each
other.

655
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,160
Lafayette.
Yeah.

656
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,400
And when John was like, so I
take it you're not working for

657
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,240
him?
He switched back to that French

658
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,520
accent so fast.
He was like, hey, I can be loyal

659
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,240
to them, but I could not.
You'll never know.

660
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:06,280
I was like, you know what?
This dude here, I tell you, Lord

661
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,000
John, he just, I don't know what
it is.

662
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,720
It's like he he, he can't never
make a safe choice, can he?

663
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,960
Well, you know, but I I will say
he definitely was.

664
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,720
He was young with this one.
It ain't like with Jamie.

665
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,240
Yeah, he was young.
Technically speaking, he was

666
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,680
young with Jamie too.
He was.

667
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,760
He was in his.
He was in his 20s.

668
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,440
Yeah, but wasn't he like, didn't
him and the stepbrother like

669
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,320
they were just like teenagers,
right?

670
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,440
Like when they're.
Probably so.

671
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,120
Probably so yeah.
And he keeps saying former

672
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,680
stepbrother.
So I don't know if I can't

673
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,560
remember in the books if the
relationship happened while they

674
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,480
were in the same house or what,
or after.

675
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,640
I I don't remember.
But not that it not that it

676
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,240
matters back then because I
mean, people were marrying

677
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:01,640
cousins back then.
So step brothers, it's hard to

678
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,120
well, OK, step siblings, let me
say, step siblings would hardly

679
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,280
be scandalous.
Step brothers is a whole

680
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,680
different thing entirely because
of the time period.

681
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:19,720
But yeah, so the thing with with
Fergus is going to get

682
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,800
interesting.
Because I was like, when they're

683
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,880
bringing Ferguson, Marsley back.
Yeah, next episode.

684
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,960
OK.
Yeah, next episode.

685
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,600
Did you see the preview for the
next episode?

686
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,800
No.
I did, but then I just.

687
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:36,480
I did.
I must have seen him.

688
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,240
I think I did see him in the
next episode.

689
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,960
OK, yeah, yeah, maybe I did.
I just.

690
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,400
So yeah, that's why I was like
that one might need to be a we

691
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,760
need to watch it together and do
a reaction video because if

692
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,360
they're going the direction that
I'm that I think they're going,

693
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,760
yeah, we might, yeah, we might
need to do a reaction video for

694
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,200
that.
We haven't done a reaction video

695
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,560
in a while so that might be the
one, but.

696
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,760
All right, let's, let's move on
because we got to talk about

697
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:19,320
Claire and and this this birth.
Oh yeah, that's I pause it on

698
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,080
that because I was like, oh, I
was in tears, girl.

699
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,240
I was.
I was like, oh Lord.

700
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:31,680
OK, this whole scene was just.
So so Claire is approached by

701
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,560
young black girl while she's out
gardening and little girl

702
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,280
introduces herself.
She's looking for the healer

703
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,920
because her mom is, you know,
pregnant and having some issues.

704
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,280
Claire brings the mom and her, I
don't know, I can't remember if

705
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,600
it was her sister or her
midwife, but.

706
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,320
She was, yeah, she was her
midwife because she said that,

707
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,240
that she had delivered many
babies, but for some reason she

708
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,080
can't get this one to work.
Yeah.

709
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:59,680
So Claire brings them back to
the house.

710
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,360
Turns out the lady Susanna is
pregnant with twins and the

711
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,320
twins are kind of holding on to
each other in the womb, which is

712
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,720
why her labor isn't progressing.
So then the husband comes

713
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:16,680
looking for them and he
basically is like, I don't trust

714
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,960
no white man.
I'm not about to trust my wife

715
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,000
to no white healer.
Look, I'm a free man.

716
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,120
My wife is a free woman here
raising our kids free.

717
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Y'all not about to get me in
trouble.

718
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,400
And Jamie's like dude, we we
don't want nothing to do with

719
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,160
that.
I won't even tell anybody you

720
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,680
were here.
Just let my wife help your wife.

721
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,680
So they go through all this.
The Susanna has the first baby,

722
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,840
a little boy, he's healthy, he's
OK.

723
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,680
The second baby comes and she's
breech.

724
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,960
And immediately when Claire
brings that baby out, you know

725
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,560
that there's something wrong.
Yep.

726
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,640
No cries, no cries.
The look that she gives to Ben,

727
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,680
to the the midwife, it's just
all of a sudden, you know that

728
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,320
there's something wrong.
So I was like, OK, this is about

729
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,480
to, this is about to be a faith
tie in.

730
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,440
I I really felt that at that
point.

731
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,560
So Claire takes the baby over to
the side.

732
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,000
She tries to, you know, she
tries to warm the baby up.

733
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,360
She tries to give the baby CPR.
And Jamie is in the room at that

734
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,480
time because he was bringing
supplies.

735
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,240
And he sees and he tries to tell
Claire, hey, the baby is gone,

736
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,760
that there's nothing you can do,
you know, let me have the baby.

737
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,360
And Claire's like, no, I can't.
So you start seeing these kind

738
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,680
of flashbacks from when she was
in childbirth with Faith.

739
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,440
You see the, the little, the
bird with the blue light and you

740
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,280
hear her talking about the blue
light and Master Raymond and all

741
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,240
this other stuff.
And they, they show a close up

742
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,640
of her hand.
She's on, she has her hand on

743
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,400
the baby's chest and you hear
like a faint heartbeat.

744
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,720
Now, the thing I don't like is
they kind of transposed it with

745
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,800
Faith.
And I was like, Faith was very

746
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,560
obviously dead when we saw her.
So they, you know, they're, they

747
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,240
were basically showing Claire's
heartbeat.

748
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,880
You can see her veins kind of
pumping.

749
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,160
You can see the veins in her
neck pumping.

750
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:13,520
And apparently something happens
with her to where this baby

751
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,480
starts crying.
The baby is actually alive,

752
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,160
starts breathing, crying.
Jamie takes the baby over, gives

753
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,160
it to her mom.
They have a conversation

754
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,240
afterwards cause Jamie was like
look I know that baby ain't

755
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,720
supposed to be a lie.
You know.

756
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:30,160
Jamie is sitting there thinking
OK Claire I didn't ask you

757
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,000
before if you was a witch right?
So you know how you bring the

758
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,880
babies back from the dead and
the CPR didn't work?

759
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,760
The CPR didn't work, So what
did?

760
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,560
Yeah, right.
What did you do 'cause that baby

761
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,920
should not be here?
Yeah.

762
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,240
He was like, look, I know you're
a miracle work.

763
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,560
I've seen you do things that
nobody else can do, but there's

764
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,240
a little something different.
This is different.

765
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,000
You know, that baby was dead.
That baby had a little.

766
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,040
Like like vibration or something
when you could tell when right

767
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,000
when the whatever that life
force was, it went back into the

768
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,200
baby.
You can see the.

769
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,680
Vibration of it.
Oh, she's like, oh, boy, yeah,

770
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,920
it was interesting.
But then she starts telling him

771
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,920
about the.
The only other time she

772
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,880
experienced that was when she
was, you know, after Faith.

773
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,240
She was like, after she was
dead, I was dying.

774
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,240
Master Raymond came to see me
and he put his hands on me and

775
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,080
it's almost like he healed me
with just his hands.

776
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,960
She was like, I saw a blue light
and I it's almost like I felt

777
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,400
the sickness leaving my body.
I felt the same thing with this

778
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,480
too.
And of course, in the books,

779
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,360
they kind of elaborate on this
whole thing a little bit more

780
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:51,200
because also in the books, what
we didn't see in the show, when

781
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,800
Rodger and Buck go back to the
1730s and they're going to

782
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,200
Galis, because of whatever's
going on with Buck's heart,

783
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,440
she's able to help him the first
time, but he continues to have

784
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,200
heart issues the time the whole
time that they are there.

785
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:14,200
And at one point she has to call
another healer to come and help

786
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,200
him.
And that healer is Master

787
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,480
Raymond, and Master Raymond is
able to help him in there.

788
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,040
There's like something about a
blue light that when he touches

789
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:29,120
people, he can heal them.
OK, so that's what Claire's

790
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,960
making Speaking of in this
because she keeps saying that

791
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,680
there's a you know, Master
Raymond says there's an armor

792
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,880
about people and you have you
have a blue light.

793
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:42,160
And then they also show us at
the beginning of the episode

794
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,760
when they do the previously on
they went all the way back to

795
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,240
season.
I don't remember what season was

796
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,480
four or five.
When she was speaking with out

797
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:59,000
of way he and out of way he told
her that when your hair turns

798
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,480
white as the snow, you will come
into your full power.

799
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,520
And something about the power of
I can't remember exactly what

800
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,760
her phrasing was, but Claire,
you know, she's thinking about

801
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,400
that.
And then she takes her hair wrap

802
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,280
off and she asked Jamie what
color her hair is and she has a

803
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,160
white streak of hair.
So I was like prevalent, like

804
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,400
Rogue from X-Men.
Right, right, right.

805
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:34,680
So I was like, OK, so now I feel
like they are getting into more

806
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,960
of the magic of the story
because you don't see a lot of

807
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,440
it in the story.
A lot of the story is focused on

808
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:45,000
the real, the tangible.
But of course the stones have to

809
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,840
have some kind of magic to them
for them to be able to go back

810
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:53,400
and forth through time.
So I don't know what this is

811
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,840
going to be with Claire.
Obviously she has something

812
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,720
about her.
And you know, one of the things

813
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:02,880
about Claire when she's when,
when you hear her inner dialogue

814
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,880
in the books and she's talking
about healing people and her her

815
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,880
becoming a surgeon, there's
something about the way that she

816
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,720
sees bodies.
And it's like.

817
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,320
That she can actually, it's
almost as if she can look

818
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,400
straight into the body and see
what it is that she's doing.

819
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,600
She just has that kind of
connection.

820
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,560
And of course, I don't know how
they would, how they would

821
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,360
translate that to the show,
because it would it would just

822
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,400
seem a little too, I think it
would seem a little too too

823
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,400
magicy.
Yeah, too hokey.

824
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,600
Pokey.
I don't know.

825
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,640
But that it it's clearly
explained in the book.

826
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,440
This is one of the reasons why
she's one of the best surgeons,

827
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,080
is one of the reasons why she
can do the things that she can

828
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:58,680
do because she actually feels
connected to the body.

829
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:04,360
You know, even when when Joe
Abernathy had what we later find

830
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,680
out are gave us his bones and
Claire's like, oh, somebody sent

831
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,280
you the 150 year old murder
victim and Joe was like, how the

832
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,800
hell did you know?
She was like, I don't know.

833
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,240
Something about her felt like
it.

834
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:23,240
Yeah, I get connected.
But yeah, so she's got the white

835
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,000
streak.
So I'm sure that's also about to

836
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:32,280
come into play because here you
are, you hit, you're you're

837
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,040
bringing babies back from the
dead.

838
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,840
You're you, you're known to be a
good healer.

839
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,800
And there's a war about to come.
So I have a feeling she's about

840
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,160
to be using that blue light.
Whatever.

841
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,760
Whatever it is you got going.
On yeah, it's funny because

842
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,440
Mayfair, which is the The
Witching Hour, came out like the

843
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,920
year before Outlander.
And that's like Rowan's thing,

844
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,520
that's the power Rowan has where
she can see a thing happening.

845
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,320
And that's how unfortunately to
kill people is because she can

846
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,280
see the inner workings of the of
the body.

847
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,520
So it's interesting that she
wrote this or where, you know,

848
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,160
later on where Claire actually
is going to probably have this

849
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,040
same kind of gift.
Yeah, yeah.

850
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,800
OK.
So I guess the last thing we

851
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,960
need to talk about is this
Captain Cunningham dude.

852
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,600
I'm so glad Jamie has a brain
because Oh my God.

853
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,800
Listen, listen.
First of all, let's start at the

854
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,880
top of the episode when these
two soldiers are approaching

855
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,760
Fanny, because she's clearly a
little girl.

856
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:48,400
A child, a whole child a whole.
Child, how are you talking to

857
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,080
her?
Like, yeah, you don't look like

858
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,000
you belong here.
You look like you're kind of an

859
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,440
adventurous yourself.
Don't you want to come with me

860
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,040
in my travels?
And she was like hell to the no.

861
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:02,560
Absolutely not.
Hell and.

862
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,000
She got a little mouth on her
too.

863
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,800
I like her.
But you know what?

864
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,480
I'm glad she does.
Yes, I'm glad that she feels

865
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,440
like she can be comfortable
enough to say that because she

866
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,600
now has people who will protect
her.

867
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,120
Because Brianna was about to be
like, oh, let me go speak to

868
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,280
them.
She's like, Nope, let's just go.

869
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,120
Let's just go.
Because if Brianna would have

870
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,040
went open her mouth.
She probably was.

871
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,200
She probably.
Also was immediately reminded of

872
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,160
Janie, and she didn't want
somebody else to die on her

873
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,920
behalf.
And so she's like, yeah, yeah,

874
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,840
yeah, no, we don't need that,
you know?

875
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,200
But it's the fact that Brianna
was just like, I'm going to

876
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,640
handle this, you know, that's
her modern attitude because, you

877
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,920
know, women typically weren't
like Janie where they would just

878
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,240
go, do you know, that kind of
thing.

879
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:51,120
So.
Yeah, but I mean.

880
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,120
Claire.
Claire would have.

881
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:54,320
Claire would have been like that
too if she had been there.

882
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,320
She'd been like, excuse me,
excuse me, I need you to back

883
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,160
away from this little child,
right?

884
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,840
But when Jamie goes.
To talk to Cunningham about

885
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,600
that, not only about that, but
he was like, yeah, so you had

886
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,400
soldiers coming to visit you and
his whole thing.

887
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,920
Was Oh yeah, they were just
bringing.

888
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,280
Me some of my son's effects and
blah blah blah.

889
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,400
And Jamie was like, look, one of
the things we like about the

890
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,800
Ridge is that the war is far
away from here.

891
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,200
You said that's what you like
too.

892
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,160
And I, I, I want to keep it that
way, right.

893
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:35,800
And you know, Cunningham does a
good show of yes, yes, yes, yes,

894
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,720
I understand, yes da, da, da,
da, da.

895
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,280
But when you that much of A yes
man, something, something's not

896
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,160
right.
Yeah, something's not right.

897
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,240
And.
You know, he, he just.

898
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,920
He gives off he just gives off a
little sneaky weird.

899
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,720
And I I knew something was,
yeah, gonna happen, but I just,

900
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,720
man, come on.
Yeah.

901
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,360
What what do they think they're
going to do?

902
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:00,600
Take.
Over the back country and

903
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,800
that's.
Going to give them the war.

904
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,840
Like, is that what they thought
the British?

905
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,160
I don't know that so.
That so that probably is what

906
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,800
they.
Thought, or what they're

907
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:16,360
thinking, and I will say this,
you know, Jamie and Claire were

908
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,000
gone for what, almost three
years?

909
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,640
Really?
I think it was almost.

910
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,520
Three years.
Two years.

911
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,240
Three years, but when you're
gone for that amount of time,

912
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,120
and I don't know how often they
were corresponding with people

913
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,840
on the Ridge because, you know,
they kind of had a lot going on

914
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,360
while they were gone, but.
You know when you.

915
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:44,520
When you're gone for that long,
you do allow for other people to

916
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,960
come in and kind of take charge,
take over, yeah.

917
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,600
And.
Yeah, you probably do still.

918
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,200
Have your loyal.
Men, your arts mirror men who

919
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,200
were there.
But as we saw from when they

920
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,360
first came back, you know, the
first episode, the Ridge has

921
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,600
grown quite a bit in their
absence.

922
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,960
So everybody.
Is not going to be.

923
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,840
Loyal to Jamie, because most of
them probably don't even know

924
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,800
who he is, you know, at least
until they came back to the

925
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,440
Ridge.
He was probably like a mythical

926
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:21,560
figure to them, you know, but I
don't know what.

927
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,160
Cunningham was thinking because
these.

928
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:29,480
Same two soldiers later on are
killed by what was the other

929
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,400
guy's name?
Henderson, I think, yes.

930
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,120
I think it's AC actually, but I
can't, OK.

931
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,280
I don't remember but the guy.
The guy who came to Jamie last

932
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,840
weekend was all.
I think it's Campbell.

933
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,120
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it might.
Be Campbell so.

934
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,680
He kills those two while Jamie
is out with with Fanny and he's

935
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,160
like, yeah, these two were
sneaking guns onto your, you

936
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,040
know, onto your property.
If you going to be a punk and

937
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,400
not, you know, regulate stuff,
then I'll take care of it.

938
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,520
He was like you just in time to
help me string them up and

939
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:05,960
Jamie's like, no, we're not
doing that.

940
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,600
I told you I would handle what's
going on on my laugh, but I hate

941
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,760
to say.
It you know.

942
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,800
They weren't wrong.
He wasn't wrong and and Jamie I.

943
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,640
Think Jamie is going to have to
let some of this pride go?

944
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,360
Yeah.
Because also he does.

945
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,520
Not have the.
He does not have the.

946
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,000
The sway that he had right
before he left.

947
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:35,000
Yeah, and and not only that, but
like, even if you don't want to

948
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,240
be cruel and hang people, you
need some you need to like

949
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:42,480
announce like hey, I know some
of y'all have come since we've

950
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,600
been gone, but I need to
reiterate that this is my land

951
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,800
and these is this is how I want
things to go because it is clear

952
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,320
that they have moved on.
They don't move Cunningham in.

953
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,720
He got a whole store or trading
post.

954
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,240
Like all this stuff has changed.
And then these guys are like,

955
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,720
I'm going to take these weapons.
So they're like, fine, if you

956
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,880
you don't want to shrink them
up, but I'm taking these weapons

957
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:09,760
like everybody got their own
agenda.

958
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,120
You don't have any power right
now.

959
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,080
And yeah, he's going to get off
your land right now, but that

960
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,400
don't mean later that he going
to be willing to get off your

961
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,400
land.
You know, especially he got a

962
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,160
whole grain of weapons now.
A whole.

963
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,120
Crain of weapons, which is
something that Brianna.

964
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,000
And them were just, well, that's
what we didn't talk about.

965
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,520
I was just about to say that
too, that Brianna was just

966
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,080
telling.
You we need to figure.

967
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:33,400
Out how to get weapons and here
they are and yeah yeah, but he's

968
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,280
going to have to.
Reconsider that now, because

969
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,280
that whole conversation about
Lord John Grant is like, yeah,

970
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,800
we can go to Savannah.
And if, if daddy's book is

971
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,000
really talking about war is
going to come to the

972
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,920
Backcountry, we're going to need
guns.

973
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,440
We're going to have to go to
Savannah.

974
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,000
And he's like, well, how you
going to pay for it?

975
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,280
How you going, how you going to
even get there?

976
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,360
The guest of Lord John?
So how you going to pay for it?

977
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,760
Well.
We can use the the.

978
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,240
The gold, you know, she said.
We were almost killed for we

979
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,520
might as well use it to protect
and like what are y'all doing

980
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,040
with it?
It's just sitting in a cave

981
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,640
right now.
Yeah, what are y'all doing with

982
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,560
it, right?
And I mean I I think this.

983
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,200
Is really going to make him
reconsider that because again,

984
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:21,480
somebody who is probably going
to become an enemy to you

985
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,440
because you're not going to team
up with them.

986
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,320
The guy already came onto your
property, made his choices very

987
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,760
clear, and he's not the type of
person that you that you break

988
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,520
bread with, right?
So you've already made an enemy.

989
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,760
That enemy just rolled off with
a whole cart of guns that were

990
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:43,080
supposed to go to somebody else
living on your land after doing

991
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,960
something that you told him
expressly.

992
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,400
You, you don't.
That's not what you want on your

993
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,600
land right?
So he gives 0 zero fucks right?

994
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,360
So yeah, James is going to.
Have to change his mind.

995
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,760
About a lot of stuff, because as
much as he wants to stay out of

996
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,120
war, as much as he wants to say
I'm not going to have any part

997
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,240
of this, obviously he is.
And Frank's book also tells him,

998
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,400
yeah, you're going to be a big
part of this.

999
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,640
He just might as well look, take
take the information that you've

1000
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:19,880
been given and start preparing.
Granted, you don't have to

1001
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,640
prepare to die.
Because you you can.

1002
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,880
Still fight that, right?
But still you, you need to start

1003
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,320
preparing because obviously this
is not going to be as peaceful a

1004
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,880
retirement as you want it to be.
Yeah.

1005
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,440
And then you.
You know, he gets to he gets

1006
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,040
there and realizes because he
searches the guys and he

1007
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,480
realizes there's a missive in in
his boot.

1008
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:46,040
And so now you find out a whole
nother thing then is going on.

1009
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,320
And so you're like, OK, let's go
check out Cunningham again,

1010
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,840
because I feel like he don't lie
to me.

1011
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:56,720
Well, obviously, obviously.
And that right there I was like,

1012
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,200
OK, Jamie, I'm glad you you went
to you went and got educated

1013
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,760
when you was young.
And so you really do have a good

1014
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,200
brain.
I mean, also think about it.

1015
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,400
This is the.
Kind of stuff he was doing in

1016
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,160
Paris, right?
So.

1017
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,720
So he knows what to look.
For and I think.

1018
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:17,800
I think part of that was Kim,
like he had misgivings about

1019
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,920
Cunningham, but I think Jamie is
has gotten to that point in life

1020
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,040
where he's trying to think
better of people, right?

1021
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,840
But.
Cunningham just.

1022
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,520
Proved to you, you need to stick
to your instincts.

1023
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,160
And I hate to say.
It y'all keep fucking around,

1024
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,880
y'all about to bring Red Jamie
back out and that ain't what you

1025
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,080
want let's go.
That ain't what you need to come

1026
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,440
out, honestly, because.
You got people to protect.

1027
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,440
Yeah.
You know he need to come out.

1028
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,560
Because.
And, and just based on what I

1029
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,440
saw the parts, because I I
sparsely remember what the

1030
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,240
trailer went up for next week.
And just based on what I saw,

1031
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,680
I'm like, bro, you need to, you
need to, you need to come out

1032
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,600
swinging.
Yeah.

1033
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,320
And yeah, I mean like.
When he initially.

1034
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,160
Got like weirded out about him
being a British officer or

1035
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:17,160
captain or whatever.
That that right there should

1036
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,640
have stayed like, no, he should
have never put his guard down.

1037
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,480
Yeah.
He should have been on him for,

1038
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,440
you know, for that time on.
He should have been watching his

1039
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,520
every move.
Yeah, you know.

1040
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,160
Yeah, but.
You know, I think.

1041
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,680
I think the other thing is that
most men don't have the code of

1042
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,360
honor that Jamie has because
even last week's episode when

1043
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,000
they held lodge, he was
basically like, look, we don't

1044
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,880
leave politics out of this, You
know, we, we are here as

1045
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,000
brothers.
We're going to be supportive of

1046
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,400
each other, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah.

1047
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,520
Other people aren't thinking
that way.

1048
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,400
Yeah, You know, they're like,
oh, OK, so.

1049
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,040
This is how he's.
Thinking, OK, I can take

1050
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,680
advantage of that, right?
And I do wonder.

1051
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,920
After, because after he caught
Cunningham doing his thing, he

1052
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,600
did mention, like you said, that
people on the Ridge, they don't

1053
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,120
really know you, the ones that
are there now.

1054
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,200
And I do wonder, like how many
of those citizens are loyalists

1055
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,480
and, and they just don't know at
this point, like who's the

1056
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,920
majority of them are, are, are
loyalists?

1057
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,560
Which is.
Scary because they can just burn

1058
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,240
your house down.
And why you sleep right, Right

1059
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,200
they.
Could, I mean, they could try,

1060
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,000
but I mean, Jamie ain't no fool.
He may, he may have gotten a

1061
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,520
little, I won't even say gotten
a little soft hearted, but he's

1062
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,960
a little more mellow.
But like I said, they bout to

1063
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,880
bring that beast out.
Yeah, especially.

1064
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,440
Because not only do.
You have clear to protect.

1065
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,400
Brianna and Rodger are back with
their kids.

1066
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,720
Now you have Fanny.
I.

1067
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,880
Don't know.
What's going to happen with?

1068
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,560
This new family that they
introduced in this episode, but

1069
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,760
at some point Agnes comes to
live with them in the book.

1070
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,320
So it's just.
I don't know.

1071
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,120
He has a lot of.
People he has to protect.

1072
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,920
So now.
You are threatening.

1073
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,240
That, and not only are you
threatening that, you are lying

1074
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,000
to me.
Yeah, about it.

1075
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,520
And.
You won't feel any remorse,

1076
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,520
right?
And one thing we we know Jamie

1077
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,280
don't like a liar.
Yeah, so, yeah.

1078
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,000
And then So what?
I did wonder.

1079
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,640
Is he did say to Jamie he was
like, OK, Jamie had brought up

1080
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,600
the fact like you said, you
retired, blah, blah, blah,

1081
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,200
whatever.
And he's like, yeah, but then

1082
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,960
some stuff happened that made
him want to come out of

1083
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,080
retirement.
I'm like, yeah, I kind of feel

1084
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,880
like you'd never intended on
retiring, that it was never

1085
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,040
about retiring.
And and I instead of saying, you

1086
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,200
know, somebody you know,
basically came to you and you

1087
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,760
had no choice but to like
respond like just be honest.

1088
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,400
He was out here in these streaks
by to try to take over the

1089
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:15,800
Backcountry.
That's what she would do

1090
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,480
probably.
Yep.

1091
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,640
And Jamie, just.
Came in and kind of messed that

1092
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:20,920
up.
He came home, woman.

1093
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,240
Yeah.
And you didn't know that she.

1094
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,200
Would eventually, I mean, he
would eventually return, Yeah,

1095
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,240
yeah.
So next couple episodes is about

1096
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,440
to be.
Interesting, because we have.

1097
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,120
Now we've got 7.
Left.

1098
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,640
That's a lot of stuff you got to
cover if if we're going to do

1099
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,280
this war in the Backcountry,
whatever this thing.

1100
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,560
Is with Fergus.
Whatever this mystery is with

1101
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,400
Ben again, I really feel like
all of this stuff is going to

1102
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:56,360
tie together, so it'll be
interesting to see what they do

1103
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,400
to tie it all together.
Yeah, I'm, I'm very, very

1104
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,320
excited to.
Know what this Fergus thing is?

1105
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,600
I have thoughts, but I'm very
excited to know what this is

1106
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,360
about because you know.
Fergus.

1107
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:13,320
Having a secret life on the side
somewhere sounds kind of

1108
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:19,440
awesome.
It'll be interesting.

1109
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,880
Though I think if if they do
what they do in the books, it'll

1110
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,440
be very interesting.
I'm like, I should put out my

1111
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,360
my.
Guest and say, OK, I'm just

1112
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,080
putting it out there when my
guest is OK, what's your guest?

1113
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,400
Oh God.
OK, so he's from France.

1114
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:42,120
So I feel like he's got a parent
who is some kind of higher up

1115
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,440
king, Prince, Lord Duke
something.

1116
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,040
What was the?
What was the?

1117
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,920
Was it a?
Oh my God, the guy who?

1118
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,360
Stopped Duke.
Duke Cassandra.

1119
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,080
Him wasn't one of the people in
France too.

1120
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,240
Like who else was there?
He was an English Duke, though.

1121
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,280
Yeah, yeah, he.
Was English but he was over

1122
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,800
there.
Didn't he go to France too?

1123
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,240
Yeah, he was back and forth.
Yeah, yeah.

1124
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,560
But yeah, but I don't know, I
don't think it's him, but I'm

1125
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,040
just trying to.
Think of like anybody we've

1126
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,400
crossed in the story that could
possibly.

1127
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,960
I feel like it 'cause you know
what, I ain't gonna lie, every

1128
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,400
if it's a historical novel, it's
always about parentage.

1129
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,960
Like always.
So I'm like, OK, that's my guess

1130
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,160
is that it's about his parentage
because obviously he's born in a

1131
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:26,560
breath hole and blah, blah,
blah.

1132
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,920
But.
So that's my guess y'all.

1133
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,000
I don't, I ain't.
Spoiling, I don't know, just you

1134
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,320
know, go go with it.
If you agree with me comment,

1135
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,760
yeah, we'll, I'm, I'm sure
we'll.

1136
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,760
We'll probably find out next
episode, especially since Fergus

1137
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,480
was in the the preview, you
know, maybe we'll get a little

1138
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,560
bit more information.
But did we talk about everything

1139
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,520
in this episode?
That's what I'm trying to

1140
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,840
remember like I think.
We got everything.

1141
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,640
I'm I just I?
Can't wait to hear what Michelle

1142
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,240
has to say about this Jamie and
Lord Jonathan, because you know,

1143
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:07,320
she, she, she's been mad with
Jamie for a minute, especially

1144
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,720
after that fight.
She was like, OK, you know what,

1145
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,560
Jamie?
That's why it wasn't.

1146
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,560
That wasn't excessive.
The way he beat that.

1147
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:15,640
Man.
Was excessive.

1148
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,040
I don't care how mad you are.
That was bad.

1149
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,520
Like, I don't think he beat
enemies as bad as he beat John,

1150
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,400
you know?
That's yeah, but also he don't

1151
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,680
really care about the enemies.
This this was very personal for

1152
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,760
him.
Oh, yeah, that's, I get it.

1153
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,200
You know, not not only the whole
thing about Claire, but also

1154
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:40,240
that's technically speaking,
that's your best friend, right?

1155
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,840
So yeah, yeah, that's your
bestie.

1156
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,640
And and and.
One of the only people aside

1157
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,960
from Claire and Ian that you
like trust, right?

1158
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,720
And who and who has your?
Back right like can you?

1159
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,600
Think of the number of times.
He could have turned Jamie in as

1160
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,880
a traitor person, you know?
Or he could have.

1161
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,560
He could have let Jamie go.
To the colonies with the rest of

1162
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,680
the arts Mirror men.
Yeah, you know he was.

1163
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,400
He wants.
He knew his secret and he turned

1164
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,840
him down.
He's always tried to look.

1165
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:16,000
Out for Jamie, always.
So yeah, I'm gonna need Jamie to

1166
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,280
get over it, but.
You have any final thoughts for?

1167
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:25,280
This episode, oh God.
I think, I think it was

1168
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,840
actually, it was fine.
It was good.

1169
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,720
I am because they did bring up
Faith again and and this and

1170
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,880
this power.
I do wonder if that's why they

1171
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,240
brought it up.
It's because of her new power

1172
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,200
versus her actually finding out
what happens to Faith.

1173
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,400
Just leave it at that now.
Well, this is what brought.

1174
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:44,680
Your power.
Now we're just going to move

1175
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,360
away from the whole faith thing,
period, because I kind of feel

1176
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,440
like they could do that.
Yeah, you know, because it.

1177
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,920
Kind of lets it kind of has.
A thing where like OK, but they

1178
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,280
did but did they say I feel like
her and Jamie talk about like

1179
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,200
did he bring the baby back
Master Raymond?

1180
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,200
But see, see that to me again, I
think.

1181
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:11,360
That would be highly unlikely
because she held faith for an

1182
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,360
entire day.
Little zombie faith.

1183
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,520
So I I just.
Don't think if if it's some.

1184
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:24,320
Somewhere within the first few
minutes, I feel like there would

1185
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,000
be a chance, but I mean, it's
just like when someone has a

1186
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,560
heart attack and they die and
you continue to do CPR,

1187
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,480
whatever.
Sometimes they come back, but

1188
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,040
it's always within a few
minutes.

1189
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,040
You're not going to have
somebody be dead for an hour, 2

1190
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,160
hours, then all of a sudden they
come back on the table.

1191
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,880
It's just not going to happen.
So I don't think they, I don't,

1192
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:44,640
I don't think they could have
done that with faith.

1193
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,920
That would be very unrealistic.
And again, I think it would push

1194
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,840
the magical aspect to a whole
different thing.

1195
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,160
And I just, I don't want it to
be that.

1196
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,720
Yeah, yeah, I don't overly,
yeah.

1197
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:59,640
Complicate.
Things but more magic.

1198
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,680
No, you need.
I do wonder how people who have

1199
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,200
not read the books though, how
they feel about her being

1200
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,880
magical, being in that way.
Well, I mean, they, they, they

1201
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,560
teased it.
Out of way, you told her when

1202
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,520
you when your hair turns white
as snow, you will come into your

1203
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:22,840
full power, you know, So it's,
it's not like, again, it's not

1204
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:25,720
like it's beyond the realm of
possibility.

1205
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,600
I mean, they travel through
stones 200 years back.

1206
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,880
You know how people are.
There can't be werewolves, but

1207
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,800
vampires exist.
There can't be.

1208
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,600
Fairies, but vampires exist.
Yeah, yeah.

1209
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,319
Yeah, you know, but yeah, that's
yeah.

1210
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:45,240
I can't wait for next.
Week me either so yeah, I think

1211
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:46,520
I.
Think we're going to try to

1212
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,640
watch that together and do some
reactions because of some stuff

1213
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,040
happens next week.
Like I think it's going to

1214
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:53,760
happen.
I need I need to see you on

1215
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,359
Michelle's faces.
So yeah.

1216
01:08:56,359 --> 01:08:59,120
So we'll try to get that done
and Michelle should be back with

1217
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,080
us next week.
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1218
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,720
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1219
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,760
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1220
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,439
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1221
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,640
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1222
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,040
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1223
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,279
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1224
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,120
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1225
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