Outlander (Season 8 Episode 4) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #402

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and we are
discussing episode 4 of the

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final season of Outlander.
Dina, unfortunately, is not with

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us today.
We've had a lot of scheduling

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changes this week.
So this is Friday.

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Dina is off traipsing around the
world on a cruise boat.

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Oh, I know, so jealous.
So she will miss this episode

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and the next episode, but that's
OK, we're going to hold it down

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while she's gone.
We hope you're having fun while

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we're over here.
Jealous.

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But anyway, that's OK because
we're on spring break.

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Yay.
Yay.

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OK, Episode 4.
There are a lot of things that

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happened in this episode that
made me very, very happy.

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I don't know where I want to
start.

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Where do you want to start?
Let's do you want to talk about

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Michelle?
Let's talk about what you want

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to talk about, especially since
you missed the last episode.

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Do you have anything you want to
say about the last episode or is

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your brain currently on episode
4?

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I think my brain is currently on
episode 4.

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I'm trying to think was there
anything from episode 3 now?

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I kind of forgot what happened
to episode 3 now.

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I I do know one thing that might
be on your mind because you said

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that you didn't want William to
fall in love with Amaranthus

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and.
Was that that episode where they

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where where she kissed them?
And yeah, yeah, when she was

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saying we get married.
And I'm got a little confused

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because she was jealous.
Well, what?

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Yeah, she was.
No, that's that's this.

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Oh, no, that's this episode
though.

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So though was when they actually
kissed, she she went up to him

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and said something about you.
You look like type of person

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who's not going to live by what
other people expect of you.

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No, I was more upset on this one
so.

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OK, OK, so let's talk about it.
Same, same people.

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With Amaranthus.
Yes.

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Because I'm like, pump your
brakes, ma'am.

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Pump your brakes.
When did your husband die?

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Last week.
No.

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I You can't wait.
I don't care.

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I don't care.
That was a joke.

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I know what last.
Week.

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But just for context, I think
like from the time that they met

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to the to now, I think at least
several weeks have passed.

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You could, you could have gave
me months, but you said weeks.

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So no, no.
No, you know what?

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You might be right.
It could be months because I

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forgot William went all the way
from Savannah to Philadelphia

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trying to find out about his
cousin.

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That's not a very quick trip
especially he's going by course.

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So we may be in two a few
months, but.

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Even so, I I get what you're
saying.

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Yeah.
No, no, ma'am.

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Pump your brakes.
And then all I know was I'm.

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I I just want him to find the
love of his own, OK?

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I don't want there to be any
issues.

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I just wanted to find just a
normal girl in those streets.

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Just just normal.
Not tied to nothing, not related

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to nobody.
Just a normal girl.

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Just normal.
In those times, that kind of

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thing happens a lot where you
know you have someone who was

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married to somebody.
Yeah I do I was, I totally

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agree, but she coming on like
she was never married in the 1st

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place because at least at least
other people be like you know, I

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still feel for John, but I I'm
having feelings.

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She still has feelings for Ben
because when she talks about Ben

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you do get the emotion, but
again, but after.

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But after but when that
conversation changed, that girl

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got jealous so she wasn't
thinking about no being.

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She got jealous when he was
talking to Brianna.

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Like jealous.
Like I mean, oh, I'm gonna go

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upstairs with this baby.
I can't even be down here with

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y'all.
I've been breathing like

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jealous.
Pretty girl and she didn't.

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Know yes jealous so I get no I'm
sorry coming on too strong I

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mean I wasn't.
Looking at her side, I like you

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just going to be rude to the
woman walking in.

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Like you don't know what kind of
connection they have to that

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family.
Like you're a part of the

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family, but you are still a new
part of the family.

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You don't know what that dynamic
is.

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And let's be honest, Brianna has
ties to both Laura, John and

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William.
So it could have been anything

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he could have been.
She could have been a cousin,

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another cousin, right?
Blue because she hasn't met

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Ben's family, so she could have
been, even though I know you

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haven't heard of her yet.
He has a sister.

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Dottie.
She could have been Dottie for

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all they knew, you know, but you
know, OK, but.

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But yeah, right.
So looking at her side, I like.

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Right.
And and from her from her

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comments, and I know it's
mentioned in the past, but from

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her comments, then you start to
really realize that Will and

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Brianna are very striking
looking people because she even,

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you know, mentioned that like,
oh, OK, your dad must be look

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good.
Look at why you trying to

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recruit him too.
Like what you what you looking

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for?
What you looking for here?

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Nah, she wouldn't.
She wouldn't get away with the

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Jamie.
No, not in that.

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We are.
First of all, we are ready.

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We.
We're not even going to count

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Claire in this.
Laura gonna.

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Be like pump your brakes girl.
Yeah, we, we already been

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through this.
But yeah, I wasn't, I'm sorry.

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I wasn't feeling her and I'm
still not feeling her and I

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still want him to be.
I hope this is not the end game.

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Hopefully is not the end game.
I honestly don't know.

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Again, they are, they are doing
some things differently from the

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book because I I feel like
they're trying to close out

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storylines and not leave us with
a whole bunch of stuff that's

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kind of open.
So I don't know, maybe they'll

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do him and Amaranth is to kind
of tie this up in a nice bowl

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for us to see that old William
is happy and blah, blah, blah,

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which they don't really have
time to do anything else.

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So I don't know.
Because think about it.

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The only other person he really
had interest in beside Jane was

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Rachel and she definitely is off
limits so.

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Oh, and I I got that one for
that one.

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Yeah, so I, I, I don't know, I'm
kind of, I'm kind of on the

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fence with the whole Amaranthus
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I want to see how they're going
to do the storyline in the show

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and that'll make me kind of, I
guess swing one way or the

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other.
At this point right now, I

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really don't care because I
guess for me for with William

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storyline, that's not the
important thing.

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Like yes, I want William to find
happiness.

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I want him to, you know, find a
love and blah blah, blah.

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But for me, I really want him to
focus on his family and and

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bridging that gap.
That is what's important to me

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for his character art for this
season.

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And the fact that we finally get
him and Brianna in the same room

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talking, you know, they, they,
they finally get to meet

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properly face to face.
And it's not exactly, it's not

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the way that it was in the book.
It's a little more subdued.

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I feel like because there's
less, there's less stuff going

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on because like I said, the
whole thing with Brianna coming

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to do the portrait for
Amaranthus is different in the

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book because she's doing a
portrait for somebody else.

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William is trying to help
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And so it's kind of a little bit
of chaotic, you know, a little

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bit of chaos.
But I like this because it's

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kind of more, it's more subtle.
It's more, hey, we get a chance

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to actually talk and converse
and, you know, have a mature

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conversation.
And I like that because, you

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know, William, after finding out
about Jamie, you know, he had

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been on Hot Head Central for so
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You know, anytime Jamie was
mentioned, he was going off and

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even at the beginning of this
season, you know, being drunk

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all the time because of what was
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So I liked their meeting and I
really hope we get to see more

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of them together, which seems
like a possibility since now

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Brianna is stuck in Savannah
because of Rodger.

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But we'll get we'll get into
that too.

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But that was one of the things I
was we're looking forward to in

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this season.
And I'm glad we get to see them

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together now because I really
feel like I feel like Brianna's

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bond with William will help him
with Jamie, especially since now

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we find out that's why Lower
John wanted her there.

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Like, look, you've been through
this before, finding out that

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Jamie Fraser is your father.
I'm just hoping that you can

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talk some and I don't, I don't
want to say talk some sense into

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him, but let him know that it is
possible.

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You know, you can be angry and
go through all of the emotions

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and still have this great
relationship with this man.

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Because I think even though
Jamie and John are still at

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odds, I think overall John still
cares about Jamie.

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He loves, he definitely loves
his son and he wants that.

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Like, I feel like that will make
things whole.

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So I'm I'm glad they got a
chance to finally meet.

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So, you know, we'll see how that
goes too.

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Because William, one thing about
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He's stubborn just like the rest
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So, you know, it might, I think
it'll help him to know that

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Brianna went through something
similar, especially because

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their stories are so no
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You know, she was probably right
around the same age when she

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found out about Jamie.
I think she was maybe 19-20

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around that time.
You know, you find out that

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you're the person who you
thought was your father is not

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your father and that your father
is this.

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Well I think she had it worse
because she had to find out that

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her father was in the past and
that her mom was a time

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traveller.
She had way more things to deal

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with with her reveal than he
does.

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But the emotions are still the
same.

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So I'm hoping he she can help
him and and we can have a nice

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big family reunion by the time
this season ends.

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That would be so great.
Yeah, that would be great.

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Yeah.
Let me see next off, let's get

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to oh, our favorite uncle is
back.

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Let me tell.
You without any heart problems I

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love.
It I had tears in my eyes when I

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saw, when I heard the voice,
when when Jamie put pulled the

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gun on him.
He was like, I hear you're

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acquainted with my daughter.
He was like, I, I am.

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I was.
Is that bug?

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Because it damn sure doesn't
sound like Rob Cameron.

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Then when they put the camera on
him, when I say I was so

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excited, like I, I knew I missed
him.

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I knew I wanted to see the
character, but the amount, the

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level of excitement I had when I
saw him, I was surprised by

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myself.
I was like, oh, I really didn't

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want this character to come back
because I literally started

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tearing up.
Like, yes, Buck is there.

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He's going to be with the
family.

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He's not going to be alone.
And then again, like I said,

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Rodgers not going to be alone.
Now Rodger has someone you know.

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Right.
And yeah, we we found out that

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the Cameron issue was taken care
of.

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And I'm so glad because if if it
means what I mean what I think

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it means, you know, he told
Jamie, he said no.

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I came back to tell Rodger and
Brianna that Rob Cameron will no

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longer be a problem for them and
to give Rodger back his WE book.

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I said did did Rob Kim?
I mean, did a buck go back and

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kill them?
I don't know, but I like he said

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and I got the book so we can
give it to him.

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No, I just got a book in my
hand.

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But here, here's his book.
Basically, we need to do

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something with this book.
That's what caused us the

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problems in the beginning 'cause
you don't put stuff up.

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Don't don't get me started to.
Have we don't want it to get

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into the wrong hands a second
time.

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Wait till he finds out what
Brianna and Rodger brought back

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with them.
See.

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Let's not go back there.
Let's.

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Not go back, but but I am
curious, even though we probably

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won't get it because again, that
would have led into a whole

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bunch of other stuff they really
don't have time to do in this

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season.
But I wonder, did he go back to

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or did he go forward to the
1980s And, you know, go confront

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Rob Cameron there and take care
of the situation?

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Or did Rob Cameron end up where
Buck was looking for them?

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You know, because if he was
looking for Rodger and Brianna,

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it probably would have taken him
to 1738 because that's where

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they were at the time.
So I am curious about that, like

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is Rob Cameron a time traveller
and was he able to go back?

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But either way it goes,
apparently according to book,

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Rob is gone.
And I'm OK with that.

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I don't have to have closure on
that storyline for the show.

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I can read about it in the book
when book 10 comes out.

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But I'm glad he's back and he's
another person that will help

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Jamie out because Jamie is
dealing with some stuff on the

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Ridge.
He is, but I also like how the

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children was excited to see.
But before we move on, I was

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excited about.
The children were excited to see

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him, he was excited to see them
and.

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Oh, Jamie.
When Jamie got a chance to look

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at him fully in the face when he
was like you remind me of your,

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of your father, I was like, I
like that for Buck as well,

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because that is someone that he
can ask questions about Dougal

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and probably get the answers
that end even maybe a little bit

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about Gaylors too, but y'all
just can't.

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Well, I mean he honestly
probably he saw when he was

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conceived so you know, when they
got friendly in the back.

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So at least he seen both his
parents before, so he's able to

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win.
They had those conversations.

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He can think about them.
No, that was a few years.

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That was a few years before he
was conceived.

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I.
Know but I'm just saying that

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how they got together but he can
lease Oh or the stories about

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his mom but don't don't ask them
questions.

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I mean as as long as they don't
mention the fact that they

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killed Dougal and that Claire
killed Leary.

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I mean, Galis not lyric.
Was it Lyric or that Claire

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killed Galis because Galis was
trying to kill Brianna?

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Like I think that would be a
little bit too much for bucks.

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So maybe not tell him that
stuff.

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You know, at least he has
someone he can talk to and be

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like, OK, So what was my dad
really like?

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And Jamie can be like, well,
let's have that conversation

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because at times he was great
and at times he was a Dick.

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I mean, I mean, I don't fall too
far from the tree, you know, but

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we like him now.
We didn't like him when he hung

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Rogers, right.
And then he did say, you know,

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he he had some issues in the
past.

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So but Yep, that was my other
favorite moment of the episode.

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The other thing was, OK, So what
did you think about Percy's

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conversation with Fergus and
about Fergus's origin story?

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I I just feel like we have
talked about this before, but

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maybe we talked about this off
camera.

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Oh yeah.
Because I asked questions like,

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is this legit?
I felt for him because he's not

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having to go back and and think
about who he really is.

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But I like the last part when he
said that he already has a great

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father and he's a part.
Yeah.

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So that right there was like,
oh, Fergus.

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But it's going to be interesting
what he's planning on doing.

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Like, do you claim it or not
claim it?

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All the paperwork is in order.
Now.

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You can use this for good.
You can also take care of your

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children.
But I understand all money is

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not good money.
That's true.

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And all power is not good power.
So it may be something you want

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to leave, and I'm with you on
that.

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Especially given who the comp
signs your man was, because

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like, he told Marcela he was
like, she tried to kill.

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He tried to kill my lady in
Paris.

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Remember, that was when Fergus
first joined them.

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Like Fergus was.
Yeah.

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So I think I think it's going to
be interesting because I feel

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like I don't know, because there
are sometimes when I feel like

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he should take the money and,
and take care of his family,

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take care of his his children.
Because especially with what he

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went through a couple of years
ago, you know, he was feeling so

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distraught and downtrodden about
the fact that he couldn't

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support his family that he
actually tried to off himself.

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So.
The fact that now this money and

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this inheritance is, you know,
is sitting there waiting to be

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claimed, it could be a blessing.
But The thing is, like he said

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at that point, if he claims that
he would have to go public with

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the fact that St.
Jermain was his father.

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And I don't think he wants to do
that because also, not just the

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fact that Jamie has been a good
father to him and and he wants

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to protect that.
But from what he knows about the

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cop, they may have enemies.
And those enemies may not be

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dead even though he has
disappeared.

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They may come after Fergus.
Yeah.

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And does he really want that
smoke?

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I mean, especially after we see
he's already, you know, having

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issues with the townspeople
because of the fact that he and

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Marsley are printing the truth
but not printing the truth.

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What is it that he said they
print?

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They do print like sedition
materials for the for the the

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rebels.
But he said publicly.

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They keep a neutral, you know,
they keep a neutral stance and

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that angers people on both sides
because they're like, oh, you're

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not claiming 1, you must be
claiming for the other or

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whatever you need to put pick a
side.

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So basically they're they've
been tormenting them with it.

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Mar Marcelou say they've
received bags of dead rats.

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They've had bricks thrown
through their windows.

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They've been, you know, messed
with so well.

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Fergus would want to take on
anything additional that would

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come with, you know, the the
acknowledgement that he is the

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son of the Comp Saint Germain.
It just might not be worth.

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It No, that's what I was
thinking.

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And you already have a family.
You already established.

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Yeah, that helps what?
Bring more food to your table, a

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better home, but really all the
other complications that comes.

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With it might not be worth.
It it may not be worth it.

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Yeah, especially out of
cheerings you have.

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You got to take care of them.
And yeah, you can't do that if

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you got people come.
I mean, it's bad enough people

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are coming after you just for
being a a printer.

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You would literally have to
upend your life and and change

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everything if you claim this
money.

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That's just like if I were to
win the Powerball, people.

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People will probably know it
because I don't think Georgia is

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one of those states where you
can claim it anonymously.

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Yeah, you can't.
You have to say you.

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Think I'm a stay in my house,
no.

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No, no, have people knocking on
your door.

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No, y'all can't.
Y'all can't come over here.

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Y'all can't borrow no money.
No, like, I'm like.

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You'd be totally living
somewhere totally different and

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we just see you on Zoom.
But no.

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I still come hang out, but it
would it when I say my my circle

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is well, my circle is already
kind of small as far as who I

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really, really hang out with and
like even who I let come into my

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house.
So that wouldn't be much of a

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problem, but it's like.
And you can't even be hanging

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out in this in this area.
Like you totally can't even.

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I can't.
No, we got a little Savannah or

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somewhere.
Yes, the Bahamas looking nice,

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right.
Or let me go do one of those,

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one of those $30,000 cruises
where it takes you to 27

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different countries.
Yeah, I would.

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I would probably do something
like that.

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But, yeah, so I don't know.
But I I think I think it's

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interesting because at this
point, with all of these

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revelations, at least Fergus can
kind of look back on his life

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and see certain things.
Like when he was talking about

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the woman who was supposed to be
his mother, you know, he talks

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about how she seemed to like him
less than any of the other

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children.
And, you know, that could be

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because of the way the comp.
Saint Germain, you know, treated

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her when he found out she was
pregnant.

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Then we find out that she
apparently forced him to marry

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her.
And there's like, so much, so

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much stuff.
And yeah.

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And so she probably has some
bitterness towards Fergus or she

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probably was also like, OK, let
me.

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I mean, she could have done that
to protect him as well because

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if she showed favoritism to him,
if the cop came looking for

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Fergus when he was younger, then
it would be easier for him to

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get them, you know, if, oh, this
is your child, so this is my

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child.
Maybe she did that to protect

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him, you know, because again,
Fergus said that the girls used

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to call her the Duchess, which
was supposed to be like a cruel

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nickname.
But obviously, if they're

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calling her the Duchess, they
know or had some kind of inkling

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about who her her husband, her
suitor, the person who put her

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in The Who sold it to the
brothel.

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They had some kind of idea, you
know, that could have that could

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have come back and bit Fergus on
the ass even as a child later

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on.
So maybe she just did it to

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protect him.
But the way that he says when

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she was dying, she called him
into the room and told him, be a

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good boy.
Who says that?

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Your parents, your mom says
that, you know, like, be a good

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boy.
Don't don't, you know, make

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anything harder for anyone else
or, you know, don't get into

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trouble, that sort of thing.
That's something that a mother

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tells their child.
So it was heartbreaking watching

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that realization for him because
this is somebody he probably

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never really thought about
again.

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You know what?
She died.

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You know, you live in a brothel.
Girls come and go, girls, you

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know, die and whatever.
He probably never really thought

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about her.
And now it's like he's got to go

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back and replay every little
part of his life back then that

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just kind of, I don't know,
maybe grasp for kindness or

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grasp for understanding, which
he probably, I think at the end

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of the day, Claire is his mother
and I think that's enough for

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him.
But still you, you can't help

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but be curious after all this
time, 30 something years and now

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all of a sudden you have more
information about your origins

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than you've ever had in your
life.

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He never even knew who his mom
was, you know, So that was kind

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of sweet, but it was also sad
because, you know, I don't like

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anything to, to hurt my Fergus.
And he, he was a little hurt,

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you know?
Yeah, yeah.

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And he has to rethink everything
from growing up in the brothel

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and stuff.
And he's, well now he's kind of

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giving ideas of why is mom
treated in this way, that way.

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So, yeah, yeah.
But I mean, even though he he's

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found out and I'm sure he will
understand, you know, once he

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kind of has the time to process
it, still that doesn't take away

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the hurt that he had as a vegan,
you know?

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Oh, but I don't know Claudel.
What, what would they call him?

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I don't even know because I know
that Saint Germain might not be

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his actual name.
That might be the title.

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But if that is Claudel St.
Germain, it does not have the

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same.
No, it sounds very pretentious.

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And that is something that
Fergus is not at all.

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But I did think about the fact
when when he found out that he

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might be this person's son and
he's coming into some wealth.

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I can help thinking back to
second season when he told Jamie

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after his hand got cut off, he
was like, yes, I'm a man of

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leisure now.
Like you told me you would take

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care of me for the rest of my
life.

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I'm like, oh, you really a man
of leisure now, Fergus?

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Now you got to really take care
of me.

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Right.
No, He can take care of

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everybody else.
Yeah, now he can.

449
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,040
Everybody, everybody, everybody.
Rodger.

450
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Brianna, he's like, yeah, come
on, family, let's spend this

451
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,400
money.
But it's not it.

452
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,200
It's not going to be that easy
because what is it?

453
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,560
He he told Percy.
He said OK.

454
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,680
He said y'all come and look for
me.

455
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,960
What do you want?
He was like, cuz this good

456
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,360
fortune isn't coming without a
price tag.

457
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Yeah, yeah.
So there's some land that comes

458
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,920
with this inheritance and we got
some French folk who want to

459
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,360
settle in the Americas.
And we want you to sell it to

460
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,120
us.
And we'll give you a very, very,

461
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,440
very, very, very, very good
price for like he kept, he kept

462
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,680
like reiterating, like, we'll
give you a really, really,

463
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,760
really good price on it.
Like, why do you want this man

464
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,760
that bad?
I understand you want to settle,

465
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,000
but I don't know, something
about it seems fishy.

466
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,320
So.
But luckily Fergus has good

467
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,480
instincts.
He always has.

468
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:53,240
So maybe he'll, I don't know,
he'll make the right choice for

469
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,720
for him and his family, I think.
But yeah, you get that money,

470
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,120
you got to come out from
Savannah.

471
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,920
You got to go live on the Ridge,
maybe.

472
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,880
Yeah.
Because anybody, yeah, people

473
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,720
would have to really, really
want you to come up to the Ridge

474
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,880
to get you.
Yeah, but that makes it

475
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,080
dangerous for everybody.
I know.

476
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,320
We don't need another.
Five.

477
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,240
No, we don't and you got too
many kids to protect.

478
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,720
So let's see where do I want to
go?

479
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Rachel.
Rachel.

480
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,240
OK, so we can talk about Rachel.
Yeah, I was going to go to the

481
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,400
Cunningham's, but yes, let's
talk about Rachel, cause we got

482
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,040
to talk about Ian and we got to
talk about this whole thing.

483
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,320
So of course, Rachel has the
baby there at the trade.

484
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,520
She's at the trading Post and
she happens to see a newspaper

485
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,360
article about a massacre that
takes place up north.

486
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,040
And I can't remember the town
name, but it is the town that

487
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:08,760
she knows that Emily Ian's first
wife and his son are living in.

488
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,440
So she finally gets up the nerve
to tell him when he comes back

489
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,520
from, you know, scouting with
Jamie or not scouting,

490
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,200
recruiting people for their
militia, which we will talk

491
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,680
about that too.
But she basically tells him,

492
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:34,320
like, hey, so yeah, there was
this attack on the, you know, in

493
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:40,560
the area where your ex-wife and
your child are and don't know

494
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,760
what's going on with them.
It ends like, look, I gotta go.

495
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,720
I gotta go make sure that
they're safe.

496
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,760
Like, I'm sorry, I have to go.
And she was like, you mean we

497
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,480
have to go?
Right, but she would make it.

498
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,520
That's all I have to say.
She would making sure she going

499
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,480
on this trip now.
Yeah, she was staying home with

500
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,720
the baby.
No.

501
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:08,800
But, you know, on the one hand,
I understand it because of I, I,

502
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,160
I guess one, because of the way
that she found out about Emily,

503
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,120
like you found this out after
you had already fallen in love

504
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,560
with this man.
It's kind of like, do you still

505
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,840
have feelings for her?
Is that why you didn't tell me

506
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,200
about her when she says he
doesn't?

507
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,960
But.
It will.

508
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,960
It's a lot.
He doesn't have to have feelings

509
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,040
for Emily, but you got everyone
has to realize, and I think

510
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,800
Rachel has realized and that's
how she feels this way.

511
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,440
It's that he has a lot of
emotions tied to that part of

512
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,440
his life.
It was a lot for him.

513
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,080
Especially given the fact that.
He did not leave that life

514
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:48,840
voluntarily, Right.
And then to then start doubting

515
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,720
yourself and your body and what
you can put out into the world.

516
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,280
So it's a lot of emotion tied to
Emily.

517
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,960
And then also, it's his kid.
Yeah.

518
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:06,560
The kid, The kid.
I mean, we, we, you know, yeah.

519
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,680
White Wolf.
Little Wolf.

520
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,920
What's his name?
Swift is the lizards.

521
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Oh, I put Wolf.
Because you're thinking of Ian's

522
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,760
Mohawk name.
His Mohawk name is Wolf's

523
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,920
brother.
OK, yeah, that sounds like I got

524
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,080
Wolf from.
But it's a lot of emotions and

525
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,560
she sees that and I'm also glad
I make jokes of it.

526
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,240
But I'm glad she's very honest
to herself and she's honest to

527
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,240
Claire of really the reason why
year ago.

528
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,000
Yeah, because I'm, I got a
little bit of insecurity.

529
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Yeah.
And and because he has a lot of

530
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
emotion tied up into this, I
need to make sure he remembers

531
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,400
he got another family and don't
get tied up into this family,

532
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:54,320
that first family.
So you know he wouldn't do that.

533
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,440
But you still don't know, right?
He going there and then he end

534
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,840
up, you know, having.
Fun.

535
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,120
You might see them.
And he end up as chief.

536
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,040
You never know.
But I'm coming with you to make

537
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:10,040
sure you coming back home to the
yeah, to our kids.

538
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,320
Because that's going to be a
long journey.

539
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,440
Because even Claire was like,
you sure you don't want to

540
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,360
leave?
No, this my newborn.

541
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,440
I'm not.
I'm taking my child with me.

542
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,120
Look, I need to.
I need him to to see that

543
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,560
there's still something to come
back.

544
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,080
But again, you know, I don't
think of course she doesn't have

545
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,000
to worry about that with Ian,
but I think that's only natural

546
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,560
for anybody in that kind of
situation.

547
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,960
You know, especially again, like
I said, Ian didn't leave that

548
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,880
situation voluntarily.
He still loved Emily for a long

549
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,160
time, probably still does, just
not in the same way and not in

550
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,440
the way that he.
But he also loved the the other

551
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,120
people there, like his brothers,
like he he did love those people

552
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,640
too.
And that's, that's a lot.

553
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,440
So I mean, I, I mean, I, I get
it, 'cause you she still, she

554
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,960
still don't know he can still
get up there and be like, oh,

555
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,760
now maybe I need to have two
wives.

556
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,320
You know, my, my play cousin
does.

557
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,320
No, that ain't even happy.
No.

558
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,400
She living on a Ridge with two
husbands, no.

559
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,199
Even though we we not seeing
them both at the same time in

560
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,719
these episodes.
No, we did.

561
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:35,199
We only saw one.
Yeah, but but yeah, so again, I

562
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,719
don't know which way the show is
going to go.

563
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:43,320
I hope that this is not a sad
trip for Ian, you know, I hope

564
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,679
that he gets there and they are
OK.

565
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,400
I.
Hope so too.

566
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,520
And then if they follow some
stuff that happens in the books,

567
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,000
yeah, I'm not going to say
whether or not I'll be happy or

568
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,840
sad, but I, I just, yeah, I, I
wouldn't be mad if they went the

569
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,120
direction they went in the book.
So I'll just say it like that.

570
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:18,160
But Yep, Ian is off the Ridge,
and I really feel like, I don't

571
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,360
know, it almost seems like
things are conspiring to have

572
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Jamie on the Ridge without his
main wingman.

573
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,680
Because here it is.
Rodger is in Savannah with Bree.

574
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,360
He because they're going to try
to get guns and of course that

575
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,080
doesn't work out well for him
because once the general that

576
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,760
he's going to speak to or is it
capital?

577
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,840
Once once he realizes who
Rodgers asking for the guns for,

578
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:53,800
he was like, oh, is this the
same dude that that quit in the

579
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,320
middle of of a war because his
wife was dying?

580
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,120
And I'm like, y'all read like
y'all really just don't give a

581
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:08,280
fuck about your women to the
point where y'all are like, Oh

582
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,600
yeah, he's shut.
He he, this is what he did.

583
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,200
We don't want to support him.
What?

584
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,440
But I'm like, Roger was like he,
but he was done like he was done

585
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,280
right.
Like, the battle was pretty much

586
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,400
already on.
Yeah.

587
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,280
And his wife needed taken care
of.

588
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,840
I mean, he was done.
Friends, can we just let that

589
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:31,880
go?
He was done.

590
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,040
Is it true that he that he wrote
his resignation in mud?

591
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,760
Actually, it was his wife's
blood.

592
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,320
Like, that just made it.
Roger, you should have shut up.

593
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,200
That just made.
It right at that point you like

594
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,360
this man?
Crazy man.

595
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,840
Yeah, like, no, we're not
sending you no guns.

596
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,000
And then of course, Rodger gets
stuck there because they're

597
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,520
like, yeah, they've already
blocked the streets.

598
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,080
No one can go in or out.
You're just going to be stuck

599
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,040
here.
So you can either minister or

600
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,720
you can pick up a gun and help
fight.

601
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:07,200
And I was like, yo Rodger don't
need to be in no more battles.

602
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,320
You know, however, at least I
know for sure and I ain't even

603
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,480
worried about it.
He will survive.

604
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,560
We're not doing this.
We not killing him.

605
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,360
All I know that I'm confident.
So whatever he need to do, he

606
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,800
need to get a rifle.
He'll be good.

607
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,760
It probably may shoot him in the
butt, but he's going.

608
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,360
He's going to live.
Roger ain't going nowhere.

609
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,280
Plus.
He has to come back and see that

610
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,040
butt.
Came.

611
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,200
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
He ain't going nowhere.

612
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,880
And he and he looking quite
tasty too.

613
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,960
But he's not going anywhere, so
listen out.

614
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,240
I don't know what it is, but
it's like between you and Dina,

615
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,360
the last couple of episodes
y'all have been like switching

616
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,520
off talking about how good Roger
is looking this season, which

617
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,520
I'm not disagreeing he is, but
it's like, I don't know, did he

618
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,400
put a little oomph in his sauce
or something?

619
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,640
Because I something a little
weight.

620
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,000
I don't know what it is because
I really have never been a Roger

621
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,000
person, but what I'm so I was
like, oh.

622
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,480
OK.
See, that was me and the last

623
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,640
season when he was getting ready
to go teach and he had on the

624
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,680
dark shirt and the kilt.
Something about that look.

625
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,000
I was like, oh, hello Rodger.
Yeah, I was like.

626
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,480
OK.
And I don't know, maybe it also

627
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,800
could be the dark clothes
because it I feel like the

628
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,480
darker clothes brought out his
eyes more.

629
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,560
And it was just like that one
episode.

630
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,080
I was like, OK, Rodger Mack, I
see you.

631
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,680
And I think some people, I saw
some people complaining online

632
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,000
about they were saying the first
few episodes he didn't look

633
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,920
quite like himself.
And then I was like, well, yeah,

634
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,080
something seemed awful about
him.

635
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,920
But I have to remember he was
he's coming from the 19th, I

636
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:06,560
mean, the 1730s into this time.
So, and, and, and not only that,

637
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,960
he's coming from the 1730s and
from the 7th, from the 1980s

638
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,760
before that.
So he still has his his short

639
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,920
hair, which is not really how
they wear their hair in this

640
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,000
particular time, Probably having
to find more clothes that that

641
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,600
fit him.
And of course, they're not going

642
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,880
to have just like his his
clothes on the Ridge.

643
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,720
They've been gone for how long?
And Jamie and Claire were gone

644
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:33,720
for how long?
So most of Rodgers stuff is

645
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:37,160
probably gone.
So he probably just wasn't well

646
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,720
put together the first few
episodes because it's kind of

647
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:44,080
like, Hey, we popped in here
from the 1980s and we planning

648
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,280
to stay.
So now we need, you know, we

649
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,360
need to be clothed and all this
other stuff.

650
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,240
So I think that's probably what
it is.

651
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:55,680
But yeah, he's he's looking
particularly snackish in these

652
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,520
last few episodes.
Not mad.

653
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,040
At all?
Yeah, not at all.

654
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Yeah, OK, so I'm in the
background.

655
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:11,520
I have the the scene is playing
where Brianna arrives in

656
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,680
Savannah and Lord John is
talking and Amaranthus storms

657
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,520
off and I'm sitting here like
Lord John made it.

658
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,440
I think Lord John picked up on
what was going on with

659
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,160
Amaranthus because he made it a
point to mention Breanna's

660
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,520
husband.
Like, oh, I thought your husband

661
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,720
was joining you.
She said he had an errand in

662
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,960
town.
That doesn't mean that he's not

663
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,600
coming.
So the fact that this man

664
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,640
mentioned her husband and you
still got up in your your your

665
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,400
panties up in the ward and and
stormed off girl, get it

666
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,720
together.
He really did though.

667
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:57,600
I mean like I, I, I had to calls
and be like what?

668
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,880
What we doing here, right?
What are we doing?

669
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:07,880
Because even because if you're
getting mad after, even after

670
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,360
Lord John has mentioned this
woman's husband, the fact that

671
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,920
you thought that her and William
had a thing going on or

672
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,480
whatever.
So basically you're saying that

673
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,440
you feel like Laura John is the
type of person who would marry,

674
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,920
who would welcome a married
woman into his home with William

675
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,920
if he suspected like that.
That whole her whole jealousy

676
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:38,240
thing is just, it's so layered
because again, like William said

677
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,520
to her later on, he was like, I
hope you don't think that I will

678
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,520
be the type of person who would
just like be flirting or

679
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,760
whatever with a, with a married
woman.

680
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,680
And she was like, well, whether
whether it's something now or

681
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,840
not, I can see that you guys had
there's something between y'all.

682
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:02,040
He was like, it's my sister and
it's so it's so weird hearing

683
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,480
him say her name.
He was like, he was like Missus

684
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,520
McKenzie, Brianna.
I was like, oh, that sounds

685
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:15,160
weird because I'm so used to him
saying Missus McKenzie, but he

686
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,680
was like, she's my sister.
And then he tells her the truth

687
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,000
because she was like, I thought
you didn't have sisters.

688
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,160
You didn't have.
I thought you were only child.

689
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:31,880
He's like, OK, yes, I'm a
bastard and this is what's going

690
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,760
on and she is my sister and
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

691
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:41,360
Like I don't know.
I don't feel, I don't feel right

692
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,040
about the fact that she was the
first person he told.

693
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Like there are other people I
feel like, like Henry or even I,

694
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,800
I don't know, like I said, I'm
on the fence with about him and

695
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:03,720
her because it's kind of like
the show version of her could be

696
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,360
different and that storyline
could be different.

697
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,600
But also, yeah, William does
not.

698
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,040
He does not have the best track
record when it comes to choosing

699
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,520
women.
No.

700
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:27,240
So I don't know.
I don't, I don't know how I feel

701
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:31,000
about this.
I'm going to wait and see.

702
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,720
I'm going to, I'm going to keep
my, I'm going to keep an open

703
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:39,560
mind.
I wish y'all who were listening.

704
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,200
I wish y'all could see
Michelle's face.

705
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,520
Michelle got her mouth
scrunched.

706
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,880
Like I'm.
Trying not to.

707
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,360
I just I, I don't we're towards
the end.

708
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,280
I yeah, Hanukkah.
I'm I'm, I'm, I'm getting upset.

709
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,040
Why?
Because I feel like this season

710
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,800
is feeling like we bout to have.
We don't have another season.

711
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,880
We're not.
No, you know what?

712
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,960
I I disagree.
I feel like they're they're

713
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,880
again, they're putting the
pieces in place for what will

714
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,120
probably happen all in the last
five episodes because I feel

715
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,520
like.
The last five episodes will

716
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,880
probably be like non-stop bam,
bam, bam, bam, right?

717
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,960
And that's what I'm saying.
I don't want that to happen.

718
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,000
I don't rush because like now
we're at a slower pace and I'm

719
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,840
like, OK, now I need you to pick
it up because I need you to give

720
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,840
me as much as you can because
this is it.

721
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,320
Well, we're about to go into
some more, so we don't want it

722
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,560
to pick up too much.
And I need to because we've been

723
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,960
through wars.
So y'all can do that.

724
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,200
That's like, that's like the
Browns to me.

725
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,120
I was fine with Brown, but I
can't take the war.

726
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,000
The war.
I'd be like, OK, shoot, shoot,

727
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:58,480
let's move on.
Yeah, yeah, I understand.

728
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,840
So, I mean, we got the war, we
got militia.

729
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,480
I, I need, come on now.
I need to get, that's all I, I

730
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,560
need to get to the end.
Are they dying each other's

731
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,800
arms?
Like the notebook?

732
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,640
We're going to talk about him
being that ghost out there in

733
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:19,200
the streets where we going to
end up living and what they're

734
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:21,760
going to do.
What is Jamie going to see of

735
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,960
the future with the kids?
I need, come on.

736
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,200
Look, look, I need, I need to.
And then we got in going on the

737
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,600
cross country trip.
Can he come back?

738
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Because then that takes months.
Yeah.

739
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,480
Is this the last we going to see
you now?

740
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,280
Hopefully not.
That's all.

741
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:47,040
That's all my heart is saying.
That's all.

742
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,040
That was my vent, which is a
good vent because that means I

743
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,440
really love the show, but I just
want more.

744
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,640
And I need y'all to pick it up
because I'm feeling like you got

745
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,520
to tell me I'm getting another
season next year.

746
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,360
I'm not.
Yeah, I don't.

747
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,960
Want new people?
Yeah, and it's a little, it's a

748
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,200
little too late.
Well, I won't say it's a little

749
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,760
too late because obviously you
have to bring in the people

750
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,560
that's going to factor into the
battle.

751
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:26,880
But this whole thing with the
with the, the upcoming war, I

752
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,960
don't know how I feel about it
because I kind of sort of feel

753
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,800
like Claire does.
Because Jamie is trying to do

754
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,240
everything he needs to do to
make sure that he's prepared.

755
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,080
And Claire is like, we don't
even know if Frank was telling

756
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,800
the truth.
And I get it.

757
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,160
I understand that she makes some
valid points, especially with

758
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,640
the last couple of episodes
where she's talking about, you

759
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,520
know, how all of this just kind
of sprang up.

760
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,600
And Frank could have been doing
this out of spite because yes,

761
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:59,960
he he absolutely could have.
But wouldn't you rather be safe

762
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,360
than to not prepare at all?
And something happens.

763
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:10,560
I mean, obviously the the
atmosphere around the Ridge has

764
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,080
changed.
You know, Jamie went to go kind

765
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:18,640
of ascertain what is tenants are
are are doing by collecting the

766
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,760
rents.
And he was like, yeah, most of

767
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,920
the people here are loyalist
now.

768
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,520
You know, that would have never
happened if Jamie had been there

769
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,880
on the Ridge, but he wasn't on
the Ridge, you know.

770
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:36,520
So now you have Fraser's Ridge
full of loyalists and even the

771
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:43,400
people who are loyal to him, he
said that most of them are, you

772
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,720
know, skittish about taking up
arms against a loyalist militia

773
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,120
because they'll be outnumbered.
It's not looking too good for

774
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:58,920
Jamie right now.
Like he doesn't have the, he

775
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,120
doesn't have the presence that
he had before he left the Ridge.

776
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,560
You know, I think also he's
older.

777
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,240
He's kind of mellowed out a
little bit.

778
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,880
Like we know that he can still
be fierce, but the people on the

779
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,840
Ridge have not seen that side of
him.

780
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,680
And most of the people who are
on the Ridge now don't know that

781
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:25,720
that side of him you know very
few if any might even know who

782
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:29,880
Red Jamie is or know about him
like his R smear men of course

783
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,600
will know.
Some of the people who probably

784
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,560
fought way back when and are
there wouldn't know.

785
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,920
But not too many people are
going to know Red Jamie.

786
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:44,320
I said this in the last episode.
I'm a need Red Jamie to make an

787
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,640
appearance because at this point
your tennis are being

788
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:54,040
disrespectful as hell and I need
you to put them in their place.

789
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:58,120
And if you got to be a little
red Jamie to to accomplish that,

790
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,000
then you just might have to do
that because other than that,

791
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,880
it's about to get really ugly.
And the fact that Cunningham,

792
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,440
when he came to collect his mom,
the fact that he was looking at

793
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,360
Claire, he was like, this is a
mighty big house for you to be

794
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,960
all by yourself, I said.
I.

795
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,880
Was like, this is not what you
want.

796
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,320
You don't want that because
you're looking at Claire like,

797
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,920
oh, you're you're a lady and you
don't know Claire will fuck you.

798
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:38,720
Up yeah, I wasn't I didn't care
for that and it's.

799
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:45,240
Like with each episode, he
becomes more and more like his,

800
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,880
his personality is changing very
quickly.

801
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,840
He's escalating, you know.
And again, I know that there are

802
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:57,360
small time jumps in between
these episodes, but yeah, it's

803
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:02,240
he's, he's starting to feel
himself.

804
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,640
He's starting to feel a little
too overconfident being on

805
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,520
Jamie's land.
And I have a problem with that.

806
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,720
Not and not just him.
It was the the other dude from

807
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,320
what, last episode, 2 episodes
ago?

808
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,800
Armstrong, I think his name was.
He's a little too bold too.

809
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,200
Yeah, these people bringing guns
right up under your nose and you

810
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,640
2, you 2.
So but.

811
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,520
He yeah, 'cause he, you know,
and he hadn't been there for.

812
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:32,080
They don't know him really.
But I again, I get all that, but

813
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,680
he better be a part of what's we
gonna see in the future 'cause

814
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,440
if not, the answer has been cut
on the cutting floor.

815
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,360
I need it like next episode or
episode after that.

816
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,160
I haven't watched today's
episode yet, but I yeah, next

817
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,280
two episodes, especially
considering that today's episode

818
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,240
we.
Are at the halfway, that's what.

819
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,800
And again, that's what I'm
talking about.

820
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,960
I know.
And what?

821
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,720
What?
Well, I can sum up, right.

822
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,320
We need some stuff, too.
Yeah.

823
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,960
So I need some.
I need us to move.

824
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,560
I need some stuff to happen.
Yeah, but I need Red Jamie to

825
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,640
make an appearance.
I need Ian to hurry up and

826
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,000
figure out what the fuck is
going on with his folks so he

827
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,600
can come back.
I need Rodger to come back from

828
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,120
Savannah.
Not even just Rodger.

829
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,480
Bree.
Because Bree is a beast herself.

830
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,040
You know, she's a good sniper,
good gun woman.

831
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,320
I need all of them to come back
because right now Jamie is there

832
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,920
really by himself.
I mean, he has Buck with him now

833
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,280
and I'm sure Buck is going to go
10 that toes down for him.

834
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:44,720
But that's only one man.
We haven't even really seen all

835
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:46,280
the arts, mere men that are
left.

836
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,800
So we don't know who's there.
We don't know how many people

837
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,280
Jamie have to stand behind him.
But it's getting a little

838
00:51:54,280 --> 00:52:00,840
dangerous on the Ridge.
I'm a little worried because

839
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,560
what if Frank was telling the
truth?

840
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,560
And I don't want to think that.
But again, we're almost halfway

841
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,320
into the season.
This is going to be it.

842
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,520
The only thing that makes me
think that Jamie is not going to

843
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:24,160
die is I saw, I read a clip from
an interview a couple of weeks

844
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,560
ago.
I think somebody was talking to

845
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:34,200
Meryl Davis asking about whether
or not a movie would be in the

846
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,320
future, like after Diana Wright
heard her final book.

847
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,080
Like, instead of bringing back
the show for another season,

848
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,960
like maybe you could do a movie
to wrap up the entire storyline.

849
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,120
She was like, yeah, that could
be something we considered.

850
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,520
You know, we would never say no.
It just depends on whether

851
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,360
everybody would want to come
back for that.

852
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,160
So I'm like, OK, if you're
saying that, that gives me at

853
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,800
least a small amount of hope
that Jamie survives this.

854
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,240
So you're not going to get your
notebook ending, which, you

855
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:09,920
know, but but I, I don't mind
happily ever after.

856
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,680
Let live living in the sunset
there.

857
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,120
With and when I said the
notebook that is happy ever

858
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,600
after because that's when they
80.

859
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:21,360
We, we.
We.

860
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,600
Fast forward to the future and
they old and Gray, and they die

861
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,520
in that house.
I think they can be standing on

862
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,920
the Ridge the last thing they
time before looking out over the

863
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,040
beautiful land at peace and that
and they 90 and they.

864
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,000
Make Love and they fall asleep,
but down each other's on.

865
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,040
That's where that's that's the
magic.

866
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,440
That's the sauce right there.
That is it.

867
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:47,120
No, I don't want.
Them I know you together because

868
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,240
if they still alive to be quite
honest.

869
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,880
We don't know.
Immortal, as far as I'm

870
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,960
concerned.
Well, we know that's not going

871
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,880
to happen, so I need to know how
they leave each other and I

872
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,480
rather them leave each other
together.

873
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,080
I don't want it to be a ending
where they standing looking over

874
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,680
the Ridge.
We had endings where they

875
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,680
standing looking over the Ridge.
I need their real.

876
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:14,080
No, no, we're just going to have
to agree to disagree on that.

877
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,160
I don't want to see.
I want their funeral.

878
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,800
No, but I want to know that they
outlived every news article and

879
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,280
book ever written.
They watching their grandkids,

880
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,760
They holding hands in the
rocking chair.

881
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,560
OK, maybe not make they can love
these, but they hold their hands

882
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,880
in the rocking chair come.
On it's Jamie and Clay, you know

883
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,600
they if they go, it's going to.
Be family.

884
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,880
Well, I'm trying to see.
They love family too.

885
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,800
So the other part would be they
sit in that rocking chair, hold

886
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,800
their hands, looking at their
children, their grandchildren,

887
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:49,400
William and his other wife.
Not, not this girl and her kids.

888
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,800
Everyone is just having a good
time.

889
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,880
And they said love.
I think this is it.

890
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,080
I think this is it.
I'm ready.

891
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,680
I'm ready to.
And And then we eat in peace.

892
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,360
We got all they put together.
They can't live without each

893
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,280
other.
You see what Claire did?

894
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,360
No.
Jamie ain't gonna be much

895
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,440
better.
No.

896
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,360
No.
And we can't take him through

897
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,960
the stones.
They can't go back and reverse.

898
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,720
No.
And they're not immortal.

899
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,600
They're nothing to run into some
vampires.

900
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,120
Well, look, Claire, look like
she coming into her magic.

901
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,080
We don't know what that magic
entails.

902
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,360
I.
Can't I?

903
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,760
I will I just I will not be able
to but I'm like but I am

904
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,960
wondering what will her magic
entail?

905
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:47,400
I don't know like.
But I mean, just, I feel like

906
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,680
her magic will have to do it has
to do with healing because

907
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,560
that's, that's been her whole
thing, like literally since the

908
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,040
first episode.
Being a nurse, healing people,

909
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,840
being an excellent surgeon,
being able to to do and see

910
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,440
things that nobody else can do.
I have a feeling that's what's

911
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,960
going to what it's going to be.
And it could be that even though

912
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:18,040
Frank wrote about Jamie Fraser
dying on the Ridge, Claire, it

913
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,720
it may be because of Claire that
he doesn't, you know what I'm

914
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:22,800
saying?
Yeah.

915
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:27,560
And they run away.
I don't know, again, together.

916
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,680
I mean, they just got to it's,
it's got to end with them

917
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,640
together regardless.
Yeah.

918
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,920
So, but I just, I would prefer
them not to be dead at the end

919
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,040
of this.
I would prefer them to to for us

920
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,960
to leave.
Them OK, how about this we don't

921
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,160
see them with their.
Children and their grandchildren

922
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,840
and.
So we don't see them die, but

923
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,960
then one of the grandkids is
reading something about their

924
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,280
death.
You gonna go for that?

925
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,960
I'd rather see them loving on
each other and pass away than

926
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,720
just have them read it in the
article.

927
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:09,920
They finally they finally
succumb to a minor cold.

928
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,640
No, I don't want to see that or
read that.

929
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,280
I just.
I I can just end with seeing

930
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:16,920
them together and that can be
it.

931
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:22,400
I don't have, I'm good.
So we'll just have to wait and

932
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:32,080
see how it's going to end.
But let's see, is there anything

933
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,200
else I want to talk about?
Poor Fanny.

934
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,800
I think at some point clear
clearing them, they're going to

935
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,080
have to tell Fanny that they
might be related because that

936
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,000
poor baby, she is missing her
sister so much.

937
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,280
Yeah, and she needs a back
story.

938
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Yeah, like a back story to tell
the neighbors well.

939
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:58,160
I mean, she already then gave
Elsbeth a little bit of her back

940
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,360
even she was like the Elsa
haven't heard, haven't heard

941
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,360
language like that in a long
time.

942
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,280
Yeah, but even she was like, she
know not to say this out loud,

943
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,360
right?
Did you teach her?

944
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,520
But I'm cool with it.
But did you tell her that she

945
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,640
can't?
Yeah, we talked to her like I

946
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,120
need you to get yourself give
her a back story.

947
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,560
Yeah, yeah.
But OK, let's see.

948
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:29,720
So we talked about Rodger and
Brianna and William and Fergus.

949
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:37,760
We talked about the Ridge, Buck.
Yay, Buck is back.

950
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,920
That really, that really was
like the highlight of the

951
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,120
episode.
Yeah, because I wasn't

952
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,320
expecting, I just thought I
guess from having you kind of

953
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,080
tell me some information, I just
kind of assumed that he would

954
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,000
just be staying in one time.
And especially when he wasn't

955
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,680
sure about like how he was
feeling his heart.

956
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,120
So it was like a a a really
surprise.

957
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,880
Oh my gosh.
So we really don't know the

958
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,680
surprise when she was like, do
we?

959
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,080
Oh yeah, we do.
It was.

960
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,040
Yeah, that was when Brianna.
I missed that.

961
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,080
I was like, dude, it's another
person coming.

962
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,720
I was not, no.
But I will say this, I'm glad

963
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,640
they brought him back in the
show because the way they the,

964
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,880
the way that we left his
character in the books was very

965
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:36,200
how to describe it?
It was very, I don't know, kind

966
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:41,840
of BC Andrews ish way.
Well, I was in the attic type it

967
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,560
it.
It was weird.

968
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,840
It was very weird.
And then, like I said, there

969
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,080
were other characters kind of
mixed into that storyline and

970
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,600
the whole thing was just really
weird.

971
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,200
So I'm kind of glad the way that
they brought him back in this,

972
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,320
because I think a lot of us
would have been really

973
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,480
uncomfortable.
Just even seeing what they were

974
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,800
suggesting in the books.
So, yeah, Yeah.

975
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,960
But that's fine.
I have my book back.

976
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,920
I'm glad.
Now I just need everybody else

977
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,040
to come back to the Ridge and
rally around Jamie and get these

978
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,600
traitors.
Well, they're not the traitors

979
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,440
technically, but I need them to
kick all these loyalists off the

980
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,320
Ridge so our folks can be there
and live happily ever after and

981
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,480
not worry about who's about to
try to kill them, betray them,

982
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,960
do all this.
And no, we, we don't need none

983
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,840
of that.
I'm done.

984
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,960
Everybody needs to come back,
regroup and whoops, mass.

985
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,240
That way when when Jamie really
does die and he sees Frank in

986
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,960
the afterline, he can be like,
you were wrong.

987
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,120
Like I want to know what that
confrontation is going to be

988
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,520
like when they see each other in
the afterlife.

989
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:10,840
That's going to be that's going
to be a whole different thing.

990
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,080
Because it because if it happens
the way you want it to happen

991
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,120
and Claire is there, she's going
to be stuck between Jamie and

992
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,600
Frank for the rest of her
eternity.

993
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,480
And I don't want that for her.
I don't want that for her.

994
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,760
Yeah.
But I think that's it for this

995
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,960
episode that I really like need
to talk about.

996
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,520
I think we covered everything.
Is there anything else you want

997
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,920
to talk about?
We covered everything I.

998
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,600
Think we got everything so the
next episode is episode 5.

999
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:53,000
We will be halfway through the
season and that much closer to

1000
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,880
the end of the series.
And as much as I want this the

1001
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,040
the storyline to pick up and see
where they're going, I'm really

1002
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,800
not ready for this show to end.
And I feel like it's coming.

1003
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,080
It's coming up so quickly.
Like, didn't the season just

1004
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,360
start?
Yeah, I did.

1005
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,120
That's what I'm saying.
And then I feel like I don't

1006
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:19,080
have AI, didn't get enough.
I'm not full, however, I don't

1007
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:24,960
want to see it in, but I'm very
like hopeful for its future

1008
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,880
because there's so many stories
you could tell.

1009
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:33,480
And hopefully, like we can tell
it through story of dealing with

1010
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,720
Mandy later, like she's older
and and stuff that she goes

1011
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,560
through or, you know, her
meeting someone or her going

1012
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:44,440
back at a different time, like
when she gets older.

1013
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,640
Like that's another story that
would be quite interesting.

1014
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,280
And we already have their
parents.

1015
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:54,560
It's interesting.
And I think we can do some other

1016
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:55,680
stuff.
Yeah.

1017
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:02,680
So like a small like event about
what Frank knew.

1018
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,080
So we have, I'm not going to
leave Frank alone.

1019
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,560
Like you can give him a little
side one too.

1020
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,200
So there, there.
You know what I'm saying?

1021
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,440
There are there are some other
stories or just stories about

1022
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,280
travellers in general.
Yeah, yeah.

1023
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,680
I would I would like to see some
other things happen because I

1024
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,480
mean, we have a whole set of
Lord John stories that could be

1025
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,520
told.
And David Berry has said plenty

1026
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,320
of times that he would love to
do a Lord John series.

1027
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:39,480
But there is there was one other
thing that I thought was that

1028
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,560
that I enjoyed that was funny.
The conversation when Lord John

1029
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,320
and Brianna were talking and he
was telling her the real reason

1030
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,840
why he had her come down there.
The other thing, he was like, So

1031
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,000
what was the error in your
husband had to do in the city?

1032
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,280
And she's sitting and like,
yeah, he had to go meet with a

1033
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,000
continental captain.
The fact that Lord John no

1034
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,200
longer has a, a full connection
when he finds out that the

1035
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,800
people that are around him are
rebels, that's gross.

1036
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,320
I like it because he's still
like fucking rebels.

1037
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,840
But he doesn't say anything.
He doesn't try to.

1038
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,200
He's just kind of accepted it
now.

1039
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,760
Like, OK, these are Jamie's
people.

1040
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:18,560
They all rebels.
I'm just going to have to get

1041
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,800
used to it.
These these are my people, too,

1042
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,800
you know, technically they are.
So Yeah.

1043
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:32,720
OK, well, all right.
Almost halfway through the

1044
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,000
season.
Yeah, I guess.

1045
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,160
Yeah.
That's it for our show.

1046
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,440
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1047
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,520
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1048
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,280
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1049
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,760
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1050
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,960
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1051
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,400
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1052
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,320
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