Outlander (Season 8 Episode 5) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #403

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and we are
discussing episode 5 of the

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final season of Outlander.
And I'm going to start off by

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saying this.
Jamie and Claire are better

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people than I am because the way
they are turning their cheeks in

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this episode to the Cunningham's
ain't no way not am ain't no way

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girl, I wanted to come through
this screen so bad because of

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the way.
OK anyway, but they're so used

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to it that didn't even bother
me.

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I'm like, they're just so used
to it.

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But at some point I do need them
to all man up here.

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Listen, like I said, I need, OK,
so we got a little bit of not

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necessarily the red Jamie,
because he was like, OK, you

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know what?
I'm not going to be the first

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one to spill blood, which I get
that because you're trying to

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determine who's a traitor and
who's on your side and who's

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not.
But the moment that Joker was

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telling you like, oh, I have a
box waiting for me, but it's not

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till five more years, I would
have been like, oh, let's test

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that theory.
Because the way this whole thing

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went down, he's out there
plotting with folks trying to

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kidnap Jamie so he can turn them
over to it's so he could be a

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Jamie is a good one.
Ain't no way.

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And Buck is even better 'cause I
would have made sure that shot

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was a little bit higher than
where he shot him.

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How you gonna come on my land
and threaten me and walk around

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talking about you're going to be
the new person in charge of

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Fraser's?
You got some nerve.

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Right, that's what I'm saying I
did.

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They're they're used to people
not understanding their place.

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But I at some point I need them
to put their foot down, listen

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and stop being nice.
They're going to have to and

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like the whole thing.
Jamie telling Claire at the end,

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he was like, OK, write these
names down because if I'm not

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here, you're going to have to
get rid of them.

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She was like get rid of them.
He said, yeah, he's like,

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they're not going to stay on my
land and they may come.

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You know, if I'm not here, they
may come back and try.

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No, you need to go ahead and
take care of that now, Jamie.

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But time out.
We took their weapons and sent

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them home with a tear between
it.

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Let absolutely not.
Data got they ass whooped and

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they'd have been personally
evicted off the Ridge one way or

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the other.
Ain't no way.

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Ain't no what How dare you?
How you and this you gonna come

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to lodge and act like everything
is all hunky Dory and then you

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gonna get up there and make a
whole speech about loyalty and

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peace and love and harmony and
and then you gonna try to kill

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him in the right after?
Girl, when I tell you I was

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like, can somebody please kill
him?

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Just just gone ahead, gone
ahead.

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I was so mad with this man and
then his Mama.

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How you gonna come to to to
Claire to sit and be like, I had

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to come.
And then Claire's like, oh, we

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already know.
I knew why she feel like she was

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being like she was being messy.
And then I like how when when

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everything was over and she was
like he was shot in the back.

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Excuse me, I don't care where he
was shot.

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He's the one who who started
this.

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Shit.
Well, OK, so here's the fact.

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So I get the whole he was shot
in the back because she's

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thinking Jamie shot him in the
back.

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And of course, that's the act of
a cow where you shoot somebody

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in the back.
And I I got that, but you, you

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need to just be quiet because
and you need to knock the.

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Hands on Jamie, right?
Right.

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That's what I'm saying.
Because again, Claire and Jamie

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they real good.
Because if I was Claire, I'd

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have been like, hold up bitch.
First of all, you need to get

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your hands off a man.
Second of all, Jamie, what

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happened?
I wouldn't I would have been

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like, OK, So what happened?
How how did we get in this

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situation?
Oh, he was trying to kill me and

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Buck got him from behind.
OK, That's all we need to know

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else but you can either help
your son or you can go.

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But if I was Claire when she
made that comment about your son

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is a part and trade.
I mean, your husband is a part

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and trader and he gave up that
pardon and he deserves his

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execution.
Your ass would have been walking

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back home in the storm by your
lonesome because ain't no way

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Claire and Jamie are too nice.
No girl, when I tell you I would

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sit here like just can we, can
we get can we get rid of the

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cunning hands because both of
y'all can go to hell.

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Both of y'all.
Girl, I was so mad.

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I was like I can't wait to go
off on these two like you got

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some nerve.
They do, and then all the other

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people on the Ridge, not just
the the loyalists, but the

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people who know Jamie and stick
you.

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Know what that mass?
Eviction.

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You got a.
Home you got a home, you got a

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home.
So would you, would you least

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want to be on this side?
I'm.

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Gonna excuse about fiction, do
you hear me?

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Mass eviction.
Mass eviction cause ain't no

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way.
Hey, you think that's the part

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that that pissed me off about
the episode the most was like,

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you know, I wish that would be
the one thing that I would be

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pictures pissed off about, but
whatever.

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OK, we can go out of that
because I already know what you

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upset about.
William Amaranth has made you

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that bad, Michelle.
Yes, they did, because I know

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that's all.
Right, let's talk about it.

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Let's have your therapy session
about this.

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I don't like her.
And the thing about it is I was

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like, be patient with, you know,
be patient with this storyline,

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but I, I don't care for it.
It, it really did bother me with

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them sitting outside with a nice
moonlight and talking about

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being together and then we
should get married.

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And then y'all touching and
kissing and, and doing all kind

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of things.
And, and then she even offered

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it.
They need to do some things to

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see if they compatible.
Was that in my head?

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Oh, no.
OK, so I'm going to tell you.

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I was quite disgusted, OK?
But I'm going to tell you what I

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think about that because of the
reveal that happens at the end

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of the episode, which is that
Ben is alive.

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He has turned his coat.
He is actually now a captain in

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the Continental Army, right?
OK.

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And William finds this out
through some other events which

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we'll go into.
But this is the thing.

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So that whole storyline is
bothering me because I already

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knew this was coming, because
this is what happens in the

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books.
We find out that being turned

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this coat, you know, whatever,
whatever.

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So my whole thing is, here we go
once again.

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William has apparently fallen in
love or falling in strong light

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with a woman who he cannot.
Be believed he.

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Right.
But The thing is with the fact

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that first Amaranthus was the
one who suggested that they get

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married, and then when William
said, OK, well, we can get

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married, and she was like, well,
maybe we don't have to get

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married right away.
Maybe we could just see some

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things.
I have a feeling she knew that

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being defected.
I think she knew that Ben was

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not dead, that but that because
he was a traitor to him, she

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probably, she's probably like,
OK, you are a traitor.

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You betrayed me, you left me,
you abandoned me.

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So and then she knows.
She probably knows the way his

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family feels like they Ben is
probably.

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As good will be as good as dead
to them once Hal finds out that

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his son is a traitor, right?
You know what I'm saying?

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But she's still lied, OK?
And she know the lie and she's

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trying to quickly get married
and I have a problem with that

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and still in love is disgusting.
He's too naive.

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He's too naive, but he's also
too nice.

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Like she does not deserve him if
that's what she is doing.

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But give it some time.
Give it some time.

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Like I I'm almost a fact like
you grew up with love.

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You grew up with love from John
Grant.

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I'm confused why you so lacking
in it that you attach yourself

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to every first thing that come
along and show some type of

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interest to.
You I don't think that he's

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lacking in it.
But I don't think it is either.

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Eager for it?
But that's what I'm saying.

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But it's coming from a place and
I'm like, you shouldn't.

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It shouldn't be a place because
you have gotten love.

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Well.
I mean, but this is the, this is

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the way they are back then.
Because I mean, think about it,

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this is this is during the time,
this is like late 1700s.

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You literally are finding
people.

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Where we OK, but yes, but you
yeah, and I'm fine with that.

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But William is always you get
William is just too eager.

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He he needs he needs his 20s.
So I know, but William need, I

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need him to slow up now.
Everybody else ain't that

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fucking eager.
But everybody else, everybody

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else got married early, so.
Yeah, but guess what?

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He's almost like a what?
What did they call a man?

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Who's who's a what?
What did they call a woman?

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They call her Oh my God, what is
the term for a woman who is not

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married by a certain time?
I cannot think of the word

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Spencer.
Yes, that so he is whatever the

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male equivalent.
I understand.

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I understand all the stuff
you're saying making sense to

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everyone else except for him or
how they're writing it, or the

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time, the time span between
these loves that he has.

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Yeah, you get what I'm saying?
Because I think.

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He'll fall in love with a tree.
It don't matter for him.

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He can't.
He.

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Can't he can't.
I need him to figure out his

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life first.
Yeah, I.

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Just shoot if he didn't know
that was his sister.

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He fall in love with his sister
while she painting the picture.

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It doesn't matter to you almost.
And I'm so happy for his heart.

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I do.
He has a great heart, he do.

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He can't see the signs in front
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Well, I mean, she's playing a
very good game, right?

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But he couldn't even see it with
Rachel.

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I will say that if that's a
game.

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It's a game because she knows
the game.

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Because she could very well be
thinking.

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Because again, if Ben has Ben
has defected, she probably has

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not heard from Ben because Ben
doesn't know that she's with

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Lord John Gray.
So she really think Ben's dead?

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She could.
Think that he's dead?

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Yeah.
You know that bitch isn't OK.

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You know, this thing, she's
landed on the benefit of the

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doubt.
OK, well, we're not.

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She's she's not our favorite.
She's been abandoned by her

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husband.
She had a child to take care and

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she and she needs a.
Husband, I mean, and any other

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day.
She's not doing anything

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different from what most women
in that day.

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Would be right she doing what's
different that Claire did, but

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it's just that I like Claire and
I don't like her.

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See.
That's different.

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Now we come to the heart of the
real issues.

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I don't like her.
I didn't like her when she came

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on because I know she played
with that boy hard.

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Yeah, look at me and I got a
sorry.

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I just, I don't think, I don't
think she's doing that on

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purpose.
I think I think once she found

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out about Williams, you know,
his his status and he and he

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made the notion of, OK, yeah, I
just want to give my title away.

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Whatever, whatever.
She was probably like, OK, well,

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instead of just doing that, you
know, that's a perfectly good

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title that comes with a whole
bunch of stuff.

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Why don't you just pass it on?
And I mean, I'm here.

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I'm available.
And I mean, again, they could

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write it different for the show
because they are, they have

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changed some things.
So they could write it that she

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really thought Ben was dead.
And maybe, maybe once she finds

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out, if William tells her, well,
I, I know William will tell her

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because William now knowing that
Ben is alive, he's not going to

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move forward with the
Amaranthus.

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He's going to be very
conflicted.

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I I do feel bad because it's
going to be like, OK, this is my

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cousin's wife.
My cousin is still alive.

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Yes, he abandoned her, but he's
still alive.

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You know, this is the cousin
that he looked at as a brother,

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even though right now William
looking at him sideways because

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yes, I'm happy you alive, but
what the fuck you doing in a

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rebel uniform?
You know, it's so funny because

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Brianna said that to him.
She was like, you know, for a

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loyalist, you got a lot of rebel
friends.

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William just need to go ahead
and come over to the other side,

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you know, come to the dark side.
We have cookies.

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Just come on.
Because everybody that you know

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and care for except for your
father is a rebel.

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I mean, think about it, the
people that you were work, that

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you were serving under your
commanding officer tried to have

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you killed.
If that's not a good reason to

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defect, I don't know what is.
Just go ahead and come on.

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Just come on.
OK, OK.

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But I, I.
Don't know, let's let's take,

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let's take a a bit.
Does she know or does?

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No, It's almost like Frank.
I'm going to say I think.

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What does Amarilla's whatever
her name is?

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No 'cause I'm not even
committing her name to memory.

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What she know and does not know.
And we finish.

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She knows.
All I know is this better not be

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the end game for William.
Yeah, I don't.

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Then I quit.
I don't think Williams going to

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find his happily ever afterward.
Well, no, I hope not.

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No, I I don't think so.
I do think she knows.

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Because is this relationship.
What book is this relationship

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in in the?
B.

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It's starting.
It starts in book.

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Does it start in book 8?
No.

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It might be.
It might have started in book 9,

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but it's still unresolved going
into book 10.

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Let's say it like that.
Like 7 books huh?

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I mean books.
She's this.

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This is in book 9.
She's on book 10.

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She's she's in the middle of
writing book 10 now book 10 is

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supposed to be fun.
So I think the whole Amaranthus

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thing, I think if I'm not
mistaken, I think she's

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introduced in Book 8, but all of
this stuff that we're seeing

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right now I think takes place in
Book 9.

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OK, well, well, while she's
riding 10 Diane, if you're

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listening, OK.
I want him to have someone who

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is sweet and caring, who builds
confidence in William, supports

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him and his endeavors, who have
a big partner like he is.

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And it's fresh, OK?
No one else likes her.

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She ain't been with nobody else.
She ain't divorced.

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Yeah.
Her husband wasn't killed in the

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war.
And she ain't related to no one.

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Right.
Can we get some?

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Swiping on that have his own
love but as far as the show goes

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yeah I.
Think.

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I think Amaranthus knows that
Ben is not dead and I think

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that's why she told William.
Well, we don't have to get

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married immediately because my
whole thing is being in the time

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that you are in, you're talking
about, oh, we can just, you

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know, like we can just try some
things out and, and, and see how

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it goes.
Who does that in this day and

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age, in this particular in the
1700s going into the 1800s, Who

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does that?
Nobody.

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You are a viscountess You you
really are suggesting that

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you're going to have a baby out
of wedlock or that you're going

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to have a, a, a, a bastard baby
and then be like, Oh yeah, well,

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if it's a boy, then we can get
married.

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What are you trying to do that
that will be my thing.

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Like, are you trying to make it
seem like if if William gets you

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pregnant, are you going to try
to like, pass it off as Ben's

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baby?
Like, oh, yeah, well, I was

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pregnant when my husband died.
Like it it her plan is just it's

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very suspect to me, you know,
and then for you to know the

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type of person that William is,
you really think William is

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going to be OK?
We're OK.

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We just going to sleep around.
And then if you get pregnant,

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then we can decide whether or
not we're going to get that.

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That is so far from who I think
William is and the fact that she

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just suggested that, and I don't
know that he's OK with.

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I'm like, I kind of feel like
you like William.

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I understand you're looking for
love.

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I understand you want it.
I understand you're attracted to

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her and this seems appealing,
but this is not something you

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would do with anybody else.
So why?

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You don't owe her anything.
You know, it's just I, I don't

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know.
I think she knows that Ben is

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alive.
Now, if it turns out that she

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does know this, that's going to,
I think that's going to cause

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more problems.
And I don't think she and

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William, again, I don't think
they'll end up together because

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when William is not going to be
with her knowing that Ben is

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alive, even if Ben is like, OK,
well don't tell them that I'm

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alive, He's not going to be able
to be with her and lie to her

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about that.
That's so far from who William

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is.
Like the whole, the whole thing

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with him and everything that's
happened in his life has been

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because of lies and people not
telling the truth.

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So he definitely wouldn't go
back to her and act like nothing

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happened, like he doesn't know
that Ben is alive.

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And then if he confronts her
with it or if he tells her, hey,

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so I found out this thing, Ben
is actually alive and he's here

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and he's here in Savannah.
That's the other thing.

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Because in the books, you know,
I told you they were in

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different areas.
I think Ben was all the way in

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Philadelphia, if I'm not
mistaken.

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So he wasn't in close proximity.
But now, because y'all have

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moved the story to Savannah, Ben
is in Savannah.

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He's in the same city that that
that his wife and his child are

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in.
This is about to be a whole

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bunch of complications.
Yes, it is.

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So we've got to see on Friday
what happens.

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Right, because again, now we are
at the halfway mark, we don't

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have time for y'all to to, you
know, drag this out.

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We need to find, we need y'all
to come to a A.

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We need a confrontation and then
we need a solution because we

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got some other shit going on.
Jamie got to figure out what

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he's about to do with this, this
whole thing that's going on on

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the Ridge.
You know, we do have some

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reunions taking place in this
episode.

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You know, we we get to see a
little bit more of Brianna and

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William getting closer.
Rodger and William finally meet

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Rodger and and Brianna finally
meet Denzel, which you know, we

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get him back in this episode.
Great.

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I need Ian and and Rachel.
I I need them to figure out

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what's going on up there, come
back home so everybody can

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reunite, because that's the one
thing everybody needs to reunite

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on the Ridge before this
episode, before the show is is

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gone.
Ferguson, Mars I I just need, I

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need one big family reunion.
We need, we need that.

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Yeah, we do.
I might.

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Think about.
Then you can have your notebook

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ending if.
That's what you right, but how

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many more episodes we got 5 it's
just.

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And, and I mean, but they're
putting a lot in the episodes

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and at at least they did with
this one because you you have a

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whole battle.
Taking place, which I think

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probably span maybe a couple of
weeks.

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Yeah, that's great.
I'm glad.

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So I told you that Roger is not
going to die, but.

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We already knew.
That I know, so I don't need

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y'all to put him in danger.
Let's move forward because I

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already know he lives.
I think it was more so about him

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figuring out his his or him not
figuring out his calling.

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But I guess it being kind of
reiterated for him.

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Like this is what you're
supposed to do.

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Yeah, definitely.
But Brianna didn't need to be in

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that turmoil.
We know he was.

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I want to tell her he good.
You can relax.

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But in the book, it was a lot
longer than that.

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So, you know, I'm glad that they
did it and got it over with in

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one episode because in the book
you really feel her, her her

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pain.
Like I think I think we saw it

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very well in this episode
because you kind of see the toll

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it's taking on her, you know.
But again, this is based out

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over weeks, if I'm not mistaken,
like this now.

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So the fact that y'all did it
all in one episode, got it over

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with and got them reunited.
OK, great.

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So so we're moving on to the
next thing.

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So they are moving pretty fast
this story.

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OK, but it's kind of like I I
need the William thing resolved

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because because again, like and
it's nothing.

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It has nothing to do with the
actress, but also the whole

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Amaranthus story in the books.
To me, it's kind of dragging on,

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but it's because they're
introducing the whole thing with

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Ben and his, you know, his, he's
being a turncoat, and it's

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introducing some other stuff
having to do with the Grays in

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the story, in the books, you
know?

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But we don't have time for that
in the show.

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So I need y'all to go ahead and
get this, get this out the way.

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Whatever y'all gonna do with
Amaranth is do it.

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Do it 'cause again, she's not
one of my favorite characters

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either.
And then just the way that this

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is coming, this is coming
through.

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If you knew your husband was
alive and you are sitting here

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leading his like, if you needed
another man, if you needed

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somebody to take care of you to,
to, to marry you, whatever,

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whatever, OK, fine.
Do what you got to do to take

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care of you and your son.
And not the man's cousin, not

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the cousin that he said was like
a brother to him.

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Why would you do that,
especially if you know that he's

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alive?
That just that to me, I

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wouldn't, I would never trust
her.

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There would never be any trust
in that marriage.

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If she and William were to get
married, there would be no,

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yeah, nothing.
So hopefully we'll we'll see

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where this is going to go in the
next episode.

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But also, I don't mind taking a
break from the whole Amaranthus

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story.
I need to see what's going on

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with Ian and Rachel.
And I did not see what the I did

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not see the preview for the next
episode.

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So I don't know where they're
going in the story with the next

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episode.
I didn't either.

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But I need to see what's going
on with Ian and Rachel.

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I need to know if Ian's family
is OK.

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I need them to take care of that
so they can head on back because

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again, Jamie, at this point, he
has Buck and thank goodness for

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Buck being there.
Oh yeah, Buck is ride or die.

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I love Buck.
Ride or die.

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Listen.
And he played with the children.

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I love it.
Love it, but I need Jamie to

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have his.
I need him to have his crew

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around him because the fact that
he had to go to Campbell, and

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I've been saying the last couple
of episodes, I've been saying

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Armstrong.
I don't know why I had the name

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Armstrong in my head, but the
fact that he had to go to

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Campbell for help, like, oh, OK,
you know what?

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They trying to they trying to
take my land for me.

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They trying to shit me off and
be killed.

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OK, I need a ally and you had to
go get the ally that you don't

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like.
But you know what?

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That's the one who's probably
going to do the shit that you

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don't want to do.
He's the one who's not going to

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have a problem getting his hands
dirty because he's already shown

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00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,440
it on the Ridge.
Like, oh, you or Tori, I'm a

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hang you real quick.
He has no qualms about it.

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Whereas Jamie, having been
through all of the stuff that

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Jamie has been through, Jamie
does have a bit of a conscience

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and he does have morals.
In that sense.

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Campbell is like, Nope, he's a
loyalist.

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Nope, he's a dead man to me.
I don't care.

446
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,800
And the fact that you had to go
to somebody like that in order

447
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,960
to protect your own is like, I
know that's not sitting right

448
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,440
with Jamie.
No.

449
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,760
But he don't do what he has to
do to protect his family.

450
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:49,400
So, you know, and again, that
whole Cunningham, you know,

451
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,560
after the last episode when he
was talking to Claire, he was

452
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,640
like, oh, it must get real
lonely for you here at this

453
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,760
house at night.
And bro, you already on my hit

454
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,360
list just for that, right,
Because you're either being

455
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,880
smarmy or you being threatening.
Either way it go, we don't play

456
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,400
that.
So, you know, like I said,

457
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,160
they're good because why this
man is sitting on the table.

458
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:23,120
I would have been like, oh, OK.
Like, how did you get shot?

459
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:25,400
Sir?
What were you doing?

460
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,360
My son had no intention to harm
you, he said.

461
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,280
Why don't you ask yourself what
his intentions are?

462
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,280
Right.
That's why I was like, you don't

463
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,000
even know Mom well, Buck.
Should have said that's not

464
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000
what.
That's not what I saw.

465
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:47,200
Now you don't even know.
No, because that dude was like,

466
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,000
yeah, he'll take you alive or
dead.

467
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,400
And right now you give me too
many problems.

468
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,800
I think I'm just going bro,
Obviously you don't know who you

469
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,440
dealing with.
How many times does this man

470
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,280
almost die and and live through
it you it ain't his time yet.

471
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,640
It ain't his time yet, and I'm a
need you to.

472
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,880
But you know what?
Karma is a bitch because you

473
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,560
tried to take Jamie out and now
you might not be able to walk

474
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,120
again.
So guess what you will You will

475
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,120
be leaving the Ridge in some
kind of box.

476
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,760
You might be leaving in a in a
box wheelchair or something.

477
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,720
But what?
What are you going to do now?

478
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:36,040
All those years of loyal service
to the crown and all it got you

479
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,720
was a bullet in the back and you
still didn't accomplish what you

480
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,440
wanted to accomplish.
No, he didn't.

481
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:52,080
So, I mean, even if that other
militia shows up, who are they

482
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,840
going to have to help them?
Cunning men have all been

483
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,720
disarmed.
They all about to get evicted

484
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,320
off the Ridge.
Cunningham is probably

485
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:09,640
paralyzed.
I mean, so I know Claire and I

486
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,200
know how seriously she takes her
Hippocratic Oath, so I know

487
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,080
she's going to do everything
that she can to make sure this

488
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,880
man is fully healed.
But I'm just saying I wouldn't

489
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,240
be mad if a small Shard of the
bullet got left.

490
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:35,280
And just like I'm, I'm just
saying I have no sympathy for

491
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,800
this man.
None.

492
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,880
None.
You don't come up on the Ridge

493
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,520
and do what?
And try what?

494
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Nah.
And then Hiram Crombie, when

495
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,680
Jamie comes up behind him.
Mr. Fraser, I can explain.

496
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,560
No, Hell, you can't.
No, Hell, you can't.

497
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,920
Ain't no explanations.
Ain't nothing.

498
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,360
You got to get off the land,
too.

499
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,760
They they better people than
than than me.

500
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,720
It couldn't have been me.
But so yeah, like I said

501
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,000
earlier, Denzel shows back it.
Was good to see him, yes.

502
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,200
I was so happy to see him
because he's there in the he's

503
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,120
there in the camp where Rodger
is.

504
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,720
And of course, when they first
meet each other, they don't know

505
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,160
who each other are.
So they just having

506
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,840
conversation.
They're trying to save this one

507
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:44,240
young little boy who was part of
the understand why they do this.

508
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,280
The Little Drummer boys that
they sent out on the field with

509
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,960
them, like y'all sending them
out with a drum and no weapons.

510
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,000
Yeah.
For what purpose?

511
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,000
For what purpose?
But anyway, it said the

512
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,400
background music, you know?
What you can have that if if

513
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,520
he's a I?
Don't know you.

514
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Can hear it from the camp.
He does not need to be in on the

515
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,080
front lines.
No, we know.

516
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,680
I just it's that's stupid.
I've.

517
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Never understood that.
Like, even in the previous

518
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,520
battles that we've seen, you got
the drummer sitting there when

519
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,600
they do the first.
Why?

520
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,480
Why that's that's just the
automatic.

521
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,720
Like, who signs up for that?
Yeah, I'm gonna go play drums on

522
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,320
the front line.
Why?

523
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,200
Who?
Does that, but then like where

524
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,480
do you go after you do it?
So why they fight this stuff?

525
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,600
Do you?
What do you they tell you go

526
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,040
like a couple miles away and
wait Like no, you do, but like

527
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,560
do it what the see.
Probably still play.

528
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,640
I don't know, I I don't know.
I don't understand it.

529
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,520
I never have but but a lot of
things that they do in war,

530
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,360
especially back then, I don't
understand because there there

531
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,120
is no way you're going to have
me standing on the front lines

532
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,040
and everybody takes turns
shooting and I'm just supposed

533
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,960
to stand there and wait and wait
and see whether or not I'm a get

534
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:11,360
hit or not.
Ain't no way in hell why.

535
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,000
What's the whole purpose of
that?

536
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:25,200
So anyway, but yeah, I love the
fact that they they finally did

537
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,320
get to meet each other, that we
get Denzel and you know, he gets

538
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,720
to see William and I, I like.
Tell William about the baby.

539
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,720
Tells William about the baby and
William is like yeah OK I'm.

540
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,400
I'm happy for them, truly.
I am.

541
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,840
Because William think he's going
to have his own family anyway.

542
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,920
But this is how he ends up
finding Ben, because he's

543
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,320
walking along with Denzel.
Denzel goes into the tent of a

544
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,920
Captain Bleeker and, you know,
to give him the list of

545
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,120
casualties.
And when Captain Bleeker

546
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,600
accompanies Denzel out the tent,
William looks and sees them.

547
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,960
And he's like, looking at
William, like, oh, shit.

548
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,440
Yeah, OK, let's, let's see how
this is going to go.

549
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,480
And then when William, you know,
gives him a hug because he's

550
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,840
happy to see him.
And then while he's hugging him,

551
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:26,679
he was like, I need a minute.
I'm in a rebel camp, man.

552
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,120
Look back.
You have on a blue corpse, Sir.

553
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,120
And then he punches his cousin
in the face.

554
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:33,320
I was like, you know what?
This is going to be an

555
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,920
interesting conversation.
Yeah.

556
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,280
Because again, going back to
what Brianna said, for you to be

557
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,679
a loyalist, you have a lot of
rebel friends and now not just

558
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,400
friends, family, very close
family.

559
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:56,520
So I don't know, I think between
that, because of course, I have

560
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,960
a feeling there's going to have
to be a conversation.

561
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,440
He's going to have to talk to
Ben.

562
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,920
Ben is going to have to tell
him, OK, This is why I defected.

563
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:11,640
William is going to have to
start thinking about, about his

564
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:17,320
own loyalty to the crown.
And like, how is it that so many

565
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,080
people that you know, that you
love, that are good people, that

566
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,840
you know to be good people are
rebels?

567
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,040
They can't.
Because, you know, his, his

568
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,240
whole world view was so narrow
when we first met him.

569
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,040
He basically was like, oh, if
you're a rebel, you're a traitor

570
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,240
and you're a bad person and
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

571
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,000
And now he sees that that's not
true.

572
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,240
Right.
And he should see like Oh my

573
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:45,000
goodness, all of the people I
know are starting to your daddy

574
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,480
your real.
I may need to think about this.

575
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,240
Your step Mama, your sister,
your brother-in-law, your

576
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:54,720
cousin.
Yeah, I may need to think

577
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,000
there's.
A lot of people William, so I

578
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,640
don't know between between
whatever conversation he's going

579
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,440
to have with Ben about that and
then the way that he and Brianna

580
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,120
are starting to, you know, get
closer or getting to know each

581
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,560
other better.
Brianna kind of telling him her

582
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,680
experience about finding out who
Jamie was late in life and

583
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,480
stuff.
I think William is due for AI.

584
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,600
Don't want to say a rude
awakening, but I think he's

585
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,840
going to have to really start
looking at where he is in his

586
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,600
life and kind of learning to
evaluate some things for

587
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,240
himself, you know, And
unfortunately I have to say this

588
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,320
too, I think Lord John is going
to have to do the same thing

589
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,360
too.
Because again, your nephew has

590
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,560
now defected, you know, all
these other people who are

591
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,240
rebels and they're not only
that, but somebody from your own

592
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,640
camp tried to have your son
killed.

593
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,200
Y'all need to start thinking of
some things.

594
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:06,120
You know, you need to start
rethinking the way you look at a

595
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,720
lot of things.
But of course that's all you

596
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:15,080
know, we rebels.
So we we just looking at them

597
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,200
like y'all just need to, you
know, like I said, come to the

598
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,520
dark side.
We have cookies.

599
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,840
Me and everybody else might as
well.

600
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,680
But yeah, I think a lot of
things happened in this episode

601
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,760
that are pushing the full story
forward.

602
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,120
And now we just got a we got to
see where it's going to go.

603
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,840
Generally, because he was a
general.

604
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,040
Ben is a general.
And see, yeah, you see that?

605
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,720
So me, I'm like, OK, OK.
I mean we only have 5 episodes

606
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:48,280
left.
And I played this episode and

607
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,920
why?
Why is it on that part?

608
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,440
Oh, on the part where they in
the gazebo getting it all, Let's

609
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,760
get it all.
But yeah, I was like, y'all just

610
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,640
being mighty bold.
Just you, just out here putting

611
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,240
your hands in a skirt, all out
in the open door.

612
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,800
And then straddle him.
So whatever.

613
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,400
Like y'all just out there in the
open for everybody to see.

614
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,040
OK, All right.
I I guess y'all just decided

615
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,640
y'all gonna work on that on that
child now.

616
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,040
But that MV, the MVP of the
episode, is 2 of them.

617
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,280
The first one goes to Buck, of
course.

618
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:32,760
I'm so I'm, I'm, I cannot stress
enough how so very glad I am

619
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,040
that he is part of the story.
Yep, I am too, and the second

620
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,800
one goes to Franny, who has
become a great.

621
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,680
Pai like I I like, yeah.
Yeah, she is.

622
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,480
She's I was gonna say, oh, wait
a second.

623
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,960
She's learning some skills here.
Be on the job training.

624
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,480
I love it.
Yep, I, I, you know, I, I'm, I'm

625
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,920
glad that she's acclimating
herself to real.

626
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,320
Life and finding a place.
I am too, yeah.

627
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,160
And she's, you know, so I love
her.

628
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,240
I love her.
And I know we have to get to

629
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:09,720
that storyline too, which we
have not.

630
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,520
So then since he and see that
that's why we didn't even need

631
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,080
to bring it up.
They just had take it for any

632
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,160
home and it not be an issue and.
And and that's what they should

633
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,320
have done because again, this.
Because now you got it's.

634
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,640
Not in the.
It's not in the book.

635
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,640
And now we're we have 5 episodes
that's not even being brought up

636
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,800
and that looked like a part of
what is happening.

637
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,760
So maybe that's something that
we going to find out.

638
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,440
I don't know.
And Blood in my blood season 2.

639
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,680
I mean, I don't know.
I, you know, at this point I

640
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,960
don't even know if they're gonna
do anything else with because I,

641
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,920
I almost feel like the whole
thing with the first episode

642
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,480
where they confronted the guy
and he told them what happened

643
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,920
to faith and whatever I feel
like that may have been.

644
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:10,600
I I don't know the close because
in order for you to.

645
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,920
Bring up something else with
that storyline.

646
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,560
You have to do some other
things.

647
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,560
I mean, the whole thing with
Claire and the white strip of

648
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,360
hair and and her saving the
Armstrong's baby.

649
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,680
Maybe they're going to bring it
in.

650
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,640
Oh, oh, OK, I get it.
So maybe that's how they've

651
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,800
survived.
But see, we talked about that

652
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,800
because my whole thing is with
the Armstrong's baby, that baby

653
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,840
had just been born.
She only had a few minutes, so

654
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,960
there was always the possibility
she was able to revive that

655
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,680
baby.
You you see that all the.

656
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,720
Yeah, but that she only had a
little bit of power.

657
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,160
Imagine if she had a lot.
That baby could have been dead

658
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,960
for five hours and she would
have been OK.

659
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,600
I don't.
That that that's I'm saying that

660
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,000
could be a reason why they did
that.

661
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,120
I don't, I don't fall with that.
That's zombie baby territory to

662
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,560
me.
I don't, I, it just doesn't sit

663
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,480
right with me.
No, but with me.

664
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,680
So I, I would almost rather they
not address it and just be like,

665
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,120
OK, there's the possibility that
something happened.

666
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,880
Cause at this point it doesn't
matter.

667
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,280
Fanny's a part of the family
whether she's blood or not.

668
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,640
You're right.
If, if, if Claire and Jamie want

669
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,240
to think that their faith
survived, the end result is the

670
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,800
same.
She's dead now.

671
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,320
Yeah, So.
That is true though that I mean,

672
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,520
it's it, it just confirms that
friend's family.

673
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,040
I don't know.
I don't know.

674
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,280
The brother has to play.
The brother has to play a a part

675
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,760
in this too though.
We got to find her brother.

676
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,800
She has to find out about her
brother, please.

677
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,280
I don't even know if that's I
don't know.

678
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,400
You get what I'm saying?
Like that'll be off and done

679
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,760
too.
Find out her her parents had

680
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,880
another kid.
That's just too.

681
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,880
But that's too much.
It's like.

682
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,320
That's why I say it, why we
don't have enough episodes for.

683
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,520
All of these, we don't, we, we
really don't.

684
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:26,200
And though they keep saying
that, I don't know, I, I just

685
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:33,880
don't see, I don't know if I see
a way for them to move forward

686
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:39,160
with that without murking up the
waters a little bit more.

687
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,520
Because unless you are
definitively going to crossover

688
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,520
Blood of My Blood with this
show, which I don't think

689
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,680
they're going to do, and I think
they've also said they are not

690
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,600
going to do it, just like I
said, it really doesn't make any

691
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,480
sense.
Just leave that in the wind.

692
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,560
If they decide to come back
later, you know, like I said,

693
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,640
they mentioned something about
possibly doing something later

694
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,480
after the 10th book is written.
Like that might be a pipe dream,

695
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,840
but leave it for something like
that.

696
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,920
Because at this point, I don't
need it.

697
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,880
Fanny is at the Ridge.
She's part of the family.

698
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,960
That's all I care about.
She's good.

699
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,240
What I want to see, I want to
see a resolution to this whole

700
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:28,040
band and Amaranthus thing and
it's going.

701
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,920
I want to know what's going on
with Ian's Mohawk family and I

702
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,240
need Ian and Rachel to bring
their ass back.

703
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:40,920
I need to know if a certain
thing with Fergus and Marcel Lee

704
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,760
is going to happen in this show
that happens in the books is a

705
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,960
it's a a pretty major thing.
I need to know if that is going

706
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,360
to happen.
And then again, I need, I need

707
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,000
them to, to come to the Ridge
or, or I need again.

708
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,760
I need, I need one episode where
they're all together, where

709
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,280
Claire and Jamie are surrounded
by the entire family at once.

710
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,720
I'm tired of this mini reunion
here and mini reunion there and

711
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,360
mini reunion.
I need everybody together.

712
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,080
I need Jamie and Lord John to
get their shit together and and

713
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,000
kiss and make up or DAP and make
up.

714
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,520
Whatever they need to do, I need
them to to get that resolved.

715
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,760
And then anything else they want
to do.

716
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:36,640
OK, OK.
But yeah, I, I don't really want

717
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,720
to spend a lot of time on the
whole faith might have lived

718
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:44,000
thing because again, that just,
that didn't make sense to me

719
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,360
when they introduced it.
It doesn't make sense to me now.

720
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,880
And I don't think we need it.
We have enough going on.

721
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:56,920
We have enough stuff with the
upcoming war and Jamie and the

722
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,840
family stuff.
We don't, we don't need the

723
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,000
faith stuff.
That's just, that's just my

724
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,120
opinion.
We don't need it.

725
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,080
So they can they can just leave
that to the wayside.

726
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,120
I got my answer.
Maybe Master Raymond did

727
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,120
something.
OK, OK, yeah.

728
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,800
And it and it doesn't really do
anything for now like it

729
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,800
doesn't.
It's it's not really going to

730
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,120
enhance the storyline, I don't
think, unless you somehow bring

731
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,920
her back completely and then
that again, you need a whole

732
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,960
season to or few or a few more
episodes to deal with that.

733
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,720
We just don't have the time for
that.

734
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Y'all are y'all are wrapping up
the series.

735
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,840
Let's wrap it up.
We don't so.

736
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:53,680
We don't need it.
So but yeah, we only have 5

737
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,400
episodes left.
Let's let's start this ball

738
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:05,640
rolling so we can start mourning
because you know, I just, I, I'm

739
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:10,720
not ready for it to be over.
But at the same time, I don't

740
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,880
want them to drag it out just
for the sake of dragging it out.

741
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,000
Don't start adding other pieces
of the story that's not going to

742
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,440
get closed.
I'm if you're going to close out

743
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,640
the show, I I'm going to need
closure period.

744
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:32,920
I need closure for everybody.
And then if y'all want to tease

745
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,320
that in blood of my blood and,
and probably pull it into that

746
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,800
storyline, OK, maybe that I can
be a little bit more open with

747
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:50,760
because we already know that
that's not a we know that

748
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,840
there's open possibilities with
that because already part of

749
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,560
that story is not what Diana
wrote, you know, so I can be a

750
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,200
little bit more lenient there if
they introduce some elements of

751
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,640
the story that make me go, OK,
well, that could be a

752
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,880
possibility.
I, I don't want to do that for

753
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,640
Outlander now, because you've
already pretty much set

754
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,320
everything up that we need to,
to, to finish this out.

755
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,880
I don't, I don't need to pay
stuff.

756
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:27,240
Leave it alone.
So, but did we forget anything

757
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,960
with this episode?
No, the fact that the kind of

758
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,600
hands need to get the hell off
the reef.

759
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,320
That was, and I think that's
when we had, when they start

760
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,920
having us sign leases and stuff,
'cause it's right here, we got

761
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,640
to sign lease and then we need
to say you get off, you've been

762
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,120
evicted.
Listen, and not only that, but

763
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:48,720
you can't be a trader on my
land.

764
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:55,880
You can't, you can't Like I'm,
I'm letting you be on the land.

765
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,160
Yeah, you got to pay rent and
stuff, but still.

766
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,680
I, I mean, I've heard of people
not being happy with their

767
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,240
landlords, but y'all are taking
this to the extreme.

768
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,840
So yeah, I need them to down
here to kick them folks off.

769
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,800
But of course we got a war
coming, so that's probably going

770
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,440
to be part of it.
They're probably going to be

771
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,240
like, oh, you want to kick me
off this land?

772
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,080
Yeah, we really going to come
after you now.

773
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,200
But that's OK 'cause he has
allies now.

774
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,640
Now what?
What that's going to cost him?

775
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:33,160
We'll see 'cause I don't think
Campbell is is, you know, what

776
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,880
was it that he said?
He said, you know, when you

777
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,600
rebuff a man so many times, he
ends up not wanting to help.

778
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:45,480
So, you know, there's about to
be some some cost for it, like,

779
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,160
oh, OK, yeah, I'll help you get
these people off your land.

780
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,600
But this is what you're going to
have to allow.

781
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,680
And this is, you know, I think,
I don't know, I just think Jamie

782
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,160
probably needs to really think
about this partnership he's

783
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,920
about to enter into.
Yeah, and I, I just, I really

784
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,480
just hate this for them.
I really wish they could just,

785
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,560
they got their home built again.
They can just kind of live and

786
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,680
just be in peace.
Yeah, in peace.

787
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,560
Like he has fought enough to be
completely honest with you.

788
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,640
I mean, he he doesn't need to
just leave him alone, right?

789
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,080
He may look young and healthy,
but he has been in some.

790
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,440
He been in a lot.
Yeah.

791
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,560
And that's just Season 1.
Yeah.

792
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,040
So he, he he don't need to be in
any more conflict.

793
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,640
Wars, mini wars, battles, no
militia.

794
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,960
Just let the man grow old, yeah?
'Cause if I'm not mistaken.

795
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,360
And farm some bees.
Leave him alone.

796
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:53,000
I think at this point Jamie is
in his 60s, right?

797
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,720
Just just.
Leave him alone.

798
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,120
Yeah, just just let them live
their life.

799
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,600
But we already know that's not
about to happen.

800
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,040
We gonna look, we gonna see how
much of Frank's book is it's

801
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:10,720
true and how bad it's gonna get.
But I know I I don't need Jamie

802
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:16,400
to die in no, in no war.
I do know that much.

803
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:23,560
Yeah.
So, but OK, so 5 episodes left.

804
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,080
By the time the next episode
comes out and we talk about it,

805
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,120
Dina should be back from
traipsing around the world, Yes.

806
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,760
Do you have any?
Do you have any final thoughts

807
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:44,640
about this episode?
I'll think I'm like, I hear you

808
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,280
say no, but I'm looking at your
face and I'm just thinking you

809
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,320
got thoughts of that Mirantis on
your face, like I just want this

810
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,600
done.
I do, but no, that's that's all

811
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,840
I have.
So I'm glad that Ben is back so

812
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,960
we can figure out what to see is
so he can kick her to the curve

813
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,120
but and go.
Find him somebody new.

814
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:10,160
And I just know these next 5 is
just going to be so much because

815
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,400
we're on the last five.
I have a feeling it's going to

816
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:20,680
be a lot of emotions too.
And I hope so, because like now,

817
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:26,640
I'm a myth at the moment.
OK, OK.

818
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,000
Yeah.
Only because I know there's so

819
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,160
much I want to know and I want
tied up into a boat and I'm

820
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,480
like, we don't have time for
this.

821
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,680
We don't have time for this.
We don't.

822
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:39,400
I don't have time for them to be
in that gazebo making now.

823
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,360
I really don't just 'cause I
ain't like it.

824
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,960
Still have time for this?
But handle me and Jamie to be

825
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,360
fine.
Right.

826
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,120
And I don't have time for us to
feel like Roger could be hurt.

827
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,760
Yeah, not gonna die.
Yeah.

828
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,560
Oh, OK.
So that is the one thing that I

829
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:04,520
that I wondered about.
So when Roger was trying to go

830
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:09,000
and help someone else and he got
hit by that blast, did you see

831
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:09,680
what?
Happened.

832
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,520
Yeah, I did.
I was like, did he go somewhere?

833
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,080
Like what was happening?
You know how Rodger talks about

834
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,840
how he doesn't remember a lot
about his parents?

835
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:28,760
So what we saw were flashbacks
to to one of the air raids that

836
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,320
happened when he was a child.
So one of the side stories, I

837
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,880
can't remember if this was in
the main books or if it was in

838
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:41,520
one of the side the novellas,
but we get some background about

839
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:46,320
Rodger's mother, who was they
were basically they were taking

840
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:53,440
shelter and they were in a bomb
shelter and the bomb shelter was

841
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,680
attacked.
And what we saw was Rodger being

842
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,640
thrown, I think, out of her arms
and she did something like she

843
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,800
passed to him to some other
people to save him.

844
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,080
And I, if I'm not mistaken
again, and and book readers, I,

845
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,400
I could be wrong because I've
only read this this story once.

846
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,720
I believe she may have died in
that, in that attack.

847
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,120
But whatever she did down there
in that bomb shelter saved him.

848
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,920
But I think because it was an
attack and he was so young, I

849
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,680
think he kind of sort of blocked
it out.

850
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,160
He doesn't remember what
happened.

851
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,120
So I think when that blast hit
him, he kind of had a flashback.

852
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:42,320
So they're probably, they'll
probably maybe reference that in

853
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,560
one of the future episodes.
I don't think they're going to

854
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,360
spend a lot of time on it, but
just to kind of give Rodger back

855
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,560
a little bit of his mother and
maybe about what may have

856
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,600
happened to his father.
Because again, we saw his father

857
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,240
in the last season, they sent
his father back.

858
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:00,520
His father never made, far as he
knows, his father never made it

859
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:05,360
back to them.
So maybe Rodger will have a

860
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,640
memory, remember something about
his parents or something like

861
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,600
that.
Or maybe they'll make it so

862
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:16,360
that, you know, that last memory
he has his dad, Maybe that was

863
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,480
the same time his dad actually
died, Like his dad came back,

864
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,880
saved him, died in the, you
know, I, I don't know.

865
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,080
But I have a feeling they're
they're going to give us some

866
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,840
piece of Roger's memory because
other than that, why put that in

867
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,840
there?
So, yeah, yeah.

868
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,120
Yeah.
So which it would be nice to see

869
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,400
a little bit of, you know, maybe
see a little glimpse of Roger's

870
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,560
dad again, Maybe that can be
some some closure for him and

871
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,680
you know, who knows.
But again, I don't think it's

872
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,120
something that's going to take
up a whole bunch of a whole

873
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,960
bunch of screen.
Time no, because what's going to

874
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,760
end up happening is he's once I
get home and actually made it

875
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,880
he'll talk about it.
Yeah, to Brianna and that maybe

876
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,920
that will come up.
Yeah.

877
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,480
And maybe.
Too, Yeah, but again, that

878
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,960
wasn't something to add on.
We got five more episodes.

879
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,200
We don't need new stuff.
There's not another season

880
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,400
coming out, right?
No new things.

881
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:18,960
OK, so five more episodes.
We know it's about to be a lot

882
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,600
of emotion, but like I said, I
need some reunions.

883
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,000
And yeah, that's that's about
it.

884
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,560
So if you don't have anything
else, that's it for our show.

885
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,360
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886
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,200
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887
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,280
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