Outlander (Season 8 Episode 6) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #404

0:24 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Dina and we are discussing episode 6 of Outlanders final season and unfortunately I don't know what it is. We switching off with y'all. I don't know what it is with you and Michelle. It's like wrangling teeth trying to get but everybody together. But no, it's you just got back from traipsing around the world. We were talking about you on the podcast. We like Demon left us to go just travel and do you have fun? OK, did you have fun?

1:06 Yeah, it was great. It was great. I definitely love to travel and I love the gamble. Yeah, did. You make enough money for us to retire and do this fangirl thing full time. No child, but I did make enough money that they giving me free cruises. So that was that's good. I just got to pay the taxes and the port. Fees, but I'm like, I'll take it, you know, well, look, if you haven't needed a cruise buddy and Adam can't go call your girl, but will OK, let's I love the cruise, but let's talk about this episode. And I'm so bummed that Michelle is not here because there's because of the end stuff like if y'all listen to us, you know, Michelle is an end stand and I know I just want to know how much she cried during that scene at the end. I just want to know.

1:58 So yeah, she, she had to 'cause I know I did. I cried both times I watched it. Listen, it's so emotional, but we we'll talk about that later. Let's talk about this, this Cunningham motherfucker, right first, baby. I'm so glad this man has left the Ridge now because when I say starting the episode with him and his bad attitude and all this other stung. Bro you don't came up here and attacked this man and then then did all this shenanigans on his property. Are you mad 'cause you got shot?

2:41 And now you can't walk because of shit you did. You said this emotion, This man trusted you. He gave you the benefit of the doubt, right? He let you be here and you tried your best to screw him up. Right now you mad because you got fat, but please. And then you want to make it seem like What did you do to me? Excuse me, Sir, I saved your life. How about that? You're alive, right? You're alive. You got shot in the back, son, you. Should be dead. All of his, just his whole attitude towards what is that smell? You know that right there. I was like, you don't know what it sounds like when you go to the bathroom. It's no, but no. Concentrated. That right there was hilarious because I was like, brother, that is you smelling bad you.

3:28 That is all you Boo. And it's so crazy because you want to feel bad for somebody in that situation because technically speaking, he's disabled now. You don't want to like just in general, you don't want to make fun of anybody had that kind of thing happen. But you know what, baby? You earn that shit. You earn all of the ire we are about to give you. Because when I tell you I've already said you were gone when all the stuff was happening, I said, you know what, Claire and Jamie are better than I am. Ain't no way this this dude here, Claire is good. Because I'd have been no Jamie.

4:13 Jamie the Jamie the this is just let you know how how good of a person Jamie is. He could have just put his hand over that man mouth while he was down on the ground and went ahead and sniffed him on out and just and just got rid of him, stabbed him and he couldn't do any of that. He brought him to be healed. Or he could have just left him there with the with the woman womb he just left him. He could have let him bleed out. All of that and he brought this man all the way to his house for his wife to heal him baby and he and this man coming here talking smack. Now, I get the Mama being freaked out 'cause that's her son. You know, that mama's going to act like how mama's going to act. And you know, it did sound kind of messed up when she heard you got shot in the back. It did sound kind of messed up.

4:56 Like, Dang, Jamie, you should be in the back. No, but she didn't get the whole story. She just didn't have the whole story. Which is why she was so meek and calm when she came in that morning. Right. Because she probably found out everything and she was like, well. Look, you can't get mad he went up against just like they. They had to defend themselves. And just like you were sitting here the night before telling Claire how your husband has given up his pardon and he deserves, he deserves to be executed, those words came back to bite you in the ass, didn't they? Yep, but it is. It's crazy, though, how she just felt so comfortable saying crazy stuff to Claire, but then also like she really do. You could tell she's going to be her friend. Like they were very kindred spirits in a lot of ways, but like she also just was like saying little nasty little stuff like bam, you need to watch how you talking to me. Listen, karma is a bitch and.

5:56 She collected that check. He did 'cause now she got a baby, a whole new newborn to take care of and he gonna be a nasty one, 'cause he go, he gonna be mad at her too, 'cause that's what happens when people get hurt. And it's not, you know, to say something bad about people in general. But like, when people get hurt and they can't do what they used to do, they get bitter about it a lot of times. And he is clearly gonna be a bitter man, basically. It's that misplaced. Anger. Yeah. So I hated for her whole life. Gonna be hard back back home, yeah? Because they do. And I think the only, I think the only person who made me who So there were a lot of people who irritated me in this episode aside from Cunningham, that doggone was his name Campbell.

6:48 Listen. So, I mean, I was like, OK, Jamie was trying to call on people. He was trying to make sure he has some backup. I get it. I have a feeling that's going to be a, look, that's a phone call that Jamie is going to record regret. Yeah. Because I still don't trust this dude. Like, yeah, you came, you heeded the call, you came, whatever. Part of me feels like he did it because he wanted to say I told you so. And you did end up needing me because the way he's coming at him all the way that you were talking to me last time, I should have just let your ass hang, blah, blah blah blah blah. For all it's worth.

7:32 You got here late, so I didn't really need you anyway. But. I mean, they didn't, they did, they did take care of some people, you know, that work where Jamie was. So at least they did that. My thing is, bro, like you was going to do that anyway. Like you wanted to, to go kill the Tories anyway. So it's not like I asked you something you wasn't already trying to do. The only difference is I'm like, you could do it on my land now. And and the question is, where did you bury these bodies? And is this gonna blowback on Jamie? That's my concern. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I know you did it. But Josiah was with him.

8:13 Yep. And, you know, he he has no qualms about the man he killed. They said it was almost 20 men. And he was like, dead man don't tell tales. Buck was like, oh, yeah. You seem like you have a real hard time with it. I was just like, I just. The black people look. He was like after the fact. Right. I just feel like I have a feeling that's going to come back and bite him in the ass 'cause I don't trust this dude. Like, yeah, you came in, you saved the day. Y'all have a little bit of a talk, but especially with what happens later on in the Ridge with Jamie banishing the men and then deciding to let them stay but you know, transferring ownership of the land in the homes to the wives. I just like, I understand what Jamie is doing and I understand, I understand compassion.

9:16 I understand empathy, and I understand, you know, unfortunately, these women are kind of, at this point, held hostage to their husbands because women can't own things, or at least they couldn't really own things as much here. I mean, we saw Mercy Woodcock, but that was also one of the larger cities, and it's in the north. So, you know, I can understand Jamie having some leniency, having showing some mercy. I just don't know how that's going to come back on him. Yeah, because again, even with even with Cunningham out of the way now on his way back to England, he may still have allies in the Ridge or around the Ridge. And of course, whoever this militia was the, I think they said it was the 92nd or the 96th when these men don't come back, right?

10:15 Somebody's going to be looking for them and they're going to come looking in the general direction that these men were were headed in, right? So it's like, as much as as much as I want Jamie and Claire to have some peace on the Ridge, I don't think it's coming. And again, I think Jamie, he's going to have to, he's going to have to pull Red Jamie out of the bag for a little bit to let these folks know you can't you, you not just going to be fucking with me and my family, you know? Yeah, that's that's the thing. Like I really, I, you know, when I was watching, I was like, Jamie, you know, I'm a I'm, I'm ASAP. So when the ladies was like, look, we didn't know, please don't punish us.

11:04 Don't punish the bear. Like please, I was like, Jamie, I know you, you going to have a heart and you going to let these women take over Because I'm like with Claire, I know Claire talking to your ear and trying to convince, you know what I'm saying? Like I was like, go get the women the contract instead of these men because you can't trust these men. But like at some point, although he like Cunningham even said that he had people that Jamie didn't even realize who was basically still loyalists that were on the Ridge. So maybe they didn't fight then, but maybe they're just waiting like a sleeper cell on the Ridge to pop off, you know? And I hate it 'cause like, they're not gonna, you know, listen to these women that have the power right now. I mean, the husbands have no choice. You either shut up and go with it or you leave, right? But people from the outside ain't about to listen to these women.

11:53 Look how listen to that Campbell, how he treated Claire. It's her property. Yeah. And he came on there talking smack, you know, So I just, I do worry about that. That is a good point that this is going to be some drama. And then not only that. So the fact that you gave the women the land and you have now made them the owners and you've told the husbands, yeah, I'm about to tear up your deeds and these are going to your women. And he tells the women he's like, if you want, if you want your husband to stay and and help you work the land and do all of that, that's on y'all. But if he but if he if he acts up again, he's a dead man and y'all are off my land.

12:35 Basically. And Hiram Crombie, he's so crazy. He was like, but but Jim was like, I didn't tell you, you could you had to stay. You have a choice. But I think the other thing that worries me about this decision is as much as the decision was justified, right, You still embarrassed and emasculated these men in front of the whole group. And I have a feeling some of these men, even though they understand that they deserved it, they're still not going to take, you know, they're not going to take it lying down.

13:17 At at least I don't think they will. So even if they don't actively do anything against Jamie, they can still sow some seeds. You know they just not. Help just not back him up when the time come. You know, yeah. I mean, Crombie seemed like he was very, you know, you know, like his heart was pricked and like he was very like, oh, I'm sorry, I didn't. I just, I don't know. I was scared. But none of the other ones said anything. He the only one that was contrite when he talked to Jamie and came and was trying to beg and stuff. Nobody else said anything. So you don't know what they got planned. But but he's also the one who's, out of all of them, who's known Jamie the longest.

14:02 So it's like the fact that you were one of the people that betrayed him. You've been around the Ridge long enough to know like you were there in the beginning if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, probably. Is he a oz near man? I can't remember if he is a. Man, I don't. Think he's an Oz? Near man, it's hard to remember. Remember, is he one of the IT was he one of the Fisher folk that came in early or was he just one of the other settlers that would that they got from like Wilmington? I think it's been one of the one of the settlers. But either way it goes. You've been with you've been with Jamie long enough to know Jamie. Don't play about his fucking family. And the.

14:49 Fact that you're trying to you're trying to kill him and not only just for him, not only not only for Claire. Jamie has these children in this house now his his daughter and his son are back. His grandchildren are there. He has Fanny. You can you can do what you want to a person as an adult once what you do threatens a child. Yeah, especially a child in their care, especially after what Fanny has already gone through. And Jamie was like, oh, you're not about to have to worry about nothing. I'm going to take care of you and and the people that you have entrusted to live on your land is coming. And oh, absolutely not.

15:40 You deserve that dressing down. But again, I feel like it's going to it's going to have a negative effect. Yeah, this is the part that's so hard. Like, it's crazy. They used to be able to do stuff like this back in the day and keep people in line at all really, 'cause it was so wow. Like we just, we just living off in the forest and then like a clearing in farmland. And it's not really like you have fences or gates or anything that you could keep people out with. Like it's just open, you know? And the fact that people kept any kind of order back in those days is crazy to me, 'cause we. Can the fact that you can dispense your own justice? Oh, and that part too, like, nobody is even saying anything that, well, I guess 'cause they're not technically no cops could really, like, do anything at this point, but like freaking Campbell hanging people in trees, like just hanging folks and they nobody said nothing. Like what?

16:37 Yeah. They just like, oh he crazy. We need to stay away from him. I. Would for sure, but it's what did she say? What they say call for the devil and devil will appear or something like that. What the hell? That what I'm saying and he is the devil. And I think that's that's also going to be a problem for Jamie once word gets back to Campbell that, oh, you didn't kill the man who betrayed you. You didn't kill Cunningham. You let Cunningham go off to England. Now granted, the man is paralyzed, not here, do nothing, but his mouth still work. Yeah, his mouth still work. He knows the inner workings of things.

17:18 Like you said, he probably got friends still out there lurking around. Let him. You can't let your enemies live. I learned that from What Is it Donnie Brasco? Al Pacino said. Or no, not Al Pacino. But yeah, Al Pacino, I think, said that like you can't let your enemies live because they always come back in the end and get you back. Especially in that time when there is no law and order, when there is, like when you're out in the Ridge. And I mean, basically Jamie is judge and jury in in Fraser's Ridge. I mean, it's his land. Yep. He's the owner of all of that stuff. Yeah, you you got some land and you pay your rent. But he's the landlord.

17:59 He you know what? He can kick you off at any time. You don't own him. He told him he was going to pop him, pop a cap in and if they came back, what? Y'all got 10 days, get out. Don't come back. If I see you, you're dead. And not only that, he went and hand look, he went and handed stuff. Look that you know what that reminded me of him going. I just said I don't know why he gave me like this man start my where it's like you do the executions yourself kind of thing. He's like I'm delivering each one of these letters myself. So he holds No I've. Got it from right. And then with Hiram, he was like, yeah, so you got to go. Hiram, looking at the store, he was like, yeah, the Benchley twins are about to take over this. They go take this over.

18:50 Oh, oh, well, what was dumb is he basically let Cunningham just come in and railroad him and like, you know, just run it basically. I mean, So what difference does it make, right, you know? I mean, your name is on. And you know, Cunningham, Yeah, he probably has some skills and or he, he was the one who financed it. I think that's what it was. Yeah. He was the person who was backing it. But you know what? All money ain't good money. Ain't good money and you just. Learned this the hard way. Why? Is that what what we was talking about? No, I'm sorry, I was. I was talking to y'all, but y'all couldn't hear me when y'all was discussing the last episode about Fergus.

19:31 All money ain't good money. Yes, Yes, ma'am. But it's but it's just like, and I understand that probably was part of the pressure for Hiram. You know, it's like, Oh well, he back this up if he takes his money out or if I go against some, he might, you know, Cunningham could probably self sabotage the, you know, the the trading store. What? I understand that. Yeah. But The thing is, you got to count your calls, dude. What's more important to you, your store or your reputation? Because now everybody on their page. Know you a traitor, right?

20:15 Yeah. And your family's, like, involved. Just imagine, you know, people mad at you because what you did take it out on your child or your wife or whomever because of you. Crazy or treat your treat your family differently or your family about to be put out on the street. Oh, you about to have a hard time at home, son? You got to have a hard time because all of them, women, looking at them like you threatening our livelihood, you threatening our children with having a safe place to stay. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's about to be rough on that. Ridge for for a little bit. For a little bit, yeah. But again, I need Jamie's folks to hurry up and come on home 'cause I need him.

21:02 I need him to have his posse when shit start going down. Because again, I don't trust Campbell and I don't think this is the end of all of this stuff that that they're about to go through. So yeah, he needs to have his people around. Everybody goes. Rihanna, them gone. Ian gone. Like everybody gone. Right. Yeah, right. Yeah, I need to come back home. But Speaking of Ian, let's go ahead and talk about this by the way, because. About Rachel, let's just talk about how Rachel down like folk flags hot like Rachel is. First of all, she always been like the realist.

21:45 Yeah, like she always been the realist. Like I ain't even go. Her and her brother heard look cute. There's a He's so cute to me, I love. I love him. He was just hilarious. I love him. He was funny. I was looking at that laughing. Poor William, He was just like, what? But yeah, like Rachel is is she's got, she's a Quaker. And you know, they believe in peace and they believe in all these things. But when I tell you Rachel, she is smart. She understands what light like, look, I'm going to do what I got to do from for my husband to have peace so that I can have peace, right, Because I just I need this for myself. I need to know this for myself and I want him to also know. Like, it ain't too many women would have been like, yeah, let's go find out if your baby Mama alive. Yeah, and then also for her to have that inner turmoil because like she said, I didn't, she said. I didn't know I could feel jealous like this. I didn't know I had this in me.

22:43 And so the fact that she was willing to to sit with that and confronted and be like, look, I got to go see if I'm the woman that he fell in love with or if I'm something else. I got to, I got to make sure. And, you know, I also like the fact that they did address all of this because, yeah, it's easy for Ian to say, you know, I don't love her anymore. I don't want to be with her anymore. That's all fine and good. But it's different when you see that person again, especially in such emotional circumstances. Like, you thought this woman was dead. That could have brought up a whole bunch of stuff that you didn't know you still had in there.

23:26 Right. No. Yeah, totally. So the fact that they actually get a chance to to meet with Emily and come to face face to face with her and confront everything, confront all the feelings. Because I'm sure Emily probably had that as well too. Like, she probably felt a little comfort with Ian and I don't know, maybe she even thought when she found out he was there because of what happened with the attack, because Caheritan is dead. He was one of the he was one of the men who went to respond to the chaos and he was killed. So now she's a widow.

24:07 So the information she gave them about having the dream where her son was, you know, captured and he was made it to a soldier and he died. Maybe at some point there was a part of her who thought maybe Ian would come back now, you know, And then when she sees him and she sees he has not only a wife, he has a brand new baby, maybe that was the closure she needed to as well. Yeah. You know, I think both of them needed that, that real closure because it's got to be, it's got to be a lot of turmoil and even confusion. Like, you know, the relationship is over, especially with the way that it ended.

24:50 But we also know at the time, neither one of them really wanted that relationship to end. They really, really loved each other. But she was probably also being pressured by the rest of the tribe. Like, hey, this guy keeps giving you babies that don't make it y'all. Y'all maybe shouldn't be together. And maybe that was why I, that may have been why she also chose Cajaraton because that would have probably have been the only way that Ian would leave because that was his closest friend there. So it's kind of like, OK, let's just go ahead and make this break. And then of course, after he leaves, she finds out she's pregnant, which Diana Gabaldon keeps saying every time she talks about that, she keeps saying stuff like what? In the show, they are hugely implying that that is his son. Like they're they're confirming that's his son. Like she's trying to say that that's not the implication in the book.

25:52 And I understand that it's vague in the book, OK, She doesn't. They don't implicitly say this is Ian's son. But his description, the fact that he is blonde, the fact that he looks like Ian, it's kind of like come. On now what? So what you trying to say she was a hoe and it was another white boy, another white boy, you know? So it's just kind of it's it's weird to me, but the I think they needed that closure together, you know? And then the fact that she says, Hey, I'm scared. Can you take him with you?

26:35 Can you do your part and raise him now? Because yeah, keep him safe. Because I mean, she just, she literally just escaped the massacre. They could have been. And she has a whole other child that she has to think about as well. Yeah, and to be dreaming about it and prophetic dreaming about it enough, that enough time, she said. Twice. So enough times that it must have been a need. It it was a need. You need to get your son out of here, right? You know, and she was like, and I've prayed and now you're here. And you're here. Oh my God, girl, what did I tell you? The tears, The whole. And then when when swiftest of lizards comes into the room with his puppy and the first thing he he goes straight, where's the baby? I don't even know if he knew that that was his baby brother. But he goes over to the baby and he looks and he was like he was like, yeah, this is our puppy, my brother. We we all should.

27:34 I was just. I was. I was through. That baby. Oh my gosh. I was through and then the way he he interacts with Ian and when he goes over to Rachel and he grabs her hand and he kisses her palm and just girl, I was sobbing. I was. Sobbing. It really also gets me because this little child that's playing this character is exactly like Stephanie Sun Forest. He's loving like that. He has a long hair. He's a hugger, and he's super sweet. And so every time I watch this scene, this little boy comes in and he's just like, like, OK, you my new Mama. And like, he's just good with everything. Like, he's like, OK, that's what we doing, you know? And he's just so easy.

28:24 And it's just like, Oh my God, he's surprised me of somebody. I don't realize, you know. And then the fact that his puppy is Rollo's grandson, Oh my God, that dog is big now 'cause they were like, yeah, we filmed this a couple of years ago. That dog is huge. But the dog was so beautiful. And it it was like a full circle moment because. You get. You get Rachel and Emily like instead of them going through and they have the discourse with each other And Rachel was like, you know, he will always be your son. But I, I accept, you know, I, I'm so grateful for the fact that I get to be his mother too.

29:09 And he will always have a place at my heart and he will always have a girl. I was sobbing and it was even it was even more beautiful, beautifully written in the book. OK, if I remember correctly, again, I've only read that book once and I think that was the book I like. I read that book in 24 hours. That's like an 800 and something page book. I read it in one day. I was like, I wouldn't put it down. But the the way that it happens in the book is because Rachel and and Ian, they kind of leave, but Rachel comes back at night to speak to Emily alone and they have this conversation. So everyone that she was telling Joseph Brandt about how she was feeling and all this other stuff.

29:53 I, if I remember correctly, she had that conversation with Emily. So both of them kind of shared with each other their own insecurities as far as it comes to end and how he sees both of them or how he relates to both of them. And it's kind of like, well, you are his first love. I'm scared that he may still love you. Well, you are his new love. I'm scared he will forget about me and us and you know the child. And it was such a beautiful moment. And they couldn't do it exactly that way in the show because of time. But I think, I mean, they really nailed it. You did a. Good job because the actress who plays Rachel. Like her, I love her.

30:36 Her like her ability to emote is like anytime she tears up, I Dang near want to tear up because she just gives you that feeling like it's real, like whatever is happening, it's so real to her. And the fact that they it's funny because when what's called I forget his name, you said his name a minute ago, but the other guy who was the rich guy, Joseph Brent, Joseph Brent, his wife basically was like, think of how things with being women just ran things. And that's like, Ian, just shut up, back the way. Let the women handle that thing. You know what I'm saying? Because yeah, you could want your son and you could you could want to raise your son, but you married to a whole nother woman who got y'all got a whole other family now. So the fact that he just was like, hands off, let the women talk about it. Let them decide.

31:19 Because that's the thing like you have to come to me as a woman if you want me to raise your child, because that's what's essentially that's what's going to be the thing, right. If you go technically be and it's going to be the Mama because that's what they used to do to women back in the day. And the fact that this woman in her heart, she yes, she might have been jealous and a little worried that her man might try to dip or whatever she was feeling, which is valid. But she also saw this woman's pain and mother seeing other mothers pain and feeling what other mothers feel, that is that right there. You cannot beat that like that. What I say, just the way they just looked in each other's eyes and it was tearing and mother to mother that just, Oh my God, that whole exchange was amazing. It was.

32:06 Beautiful And then Emily says to end she was like, well, you named my son, please allow me, you know, please allow me the same. And she goes over. She looks at the baby and she comes to them. She's like his name is Hunter. They were like, wait, what? Because, you know, that's Rachel's old, that's Rachel's maiden name. And it was she say you must be led by the Spirit, because that name has significant meaning. For it difficult meaning more than one meaning. It was so beautiful. Yeah. Because, I mean, she was a hunter by name. Ian is a hunter. He's a hunter and his spirit and his soul. It's just, it was such a beautifully done scene. And I just felt like, I also like the fact that she finally did allow herself to be vulnerable in front of Ann because like she said, she said, you have me on such a pedestal. I feel like I can't make any mistakes, but I have to. I have to tell you how I feel that this worries me because you know what was that?

33:10 I think Joseph Brent said something to him about about him leaving. He was like, Oh yeah, you don't have any right to check on them. You left. And Ian was like, it wasn't. I didn't want to leave out. They made me leave, what are you talking about? Right. And so there was that unspoken thing there where he was like, I would still be there if if I hadn't got kicked out. And it's kind of like in Rachel's mind, yeah, that on the one hand is like, oh, he would have stayed with her. But at the same time, you know, realistically it's like, OK, but you can't think that because, I mean it's. Not what happened, it just.

33:52 It just, yeah. Yeah, And you know, that thing about their whole exchange, too, that I really love about this is so she's a Quaker. She has a whole belief system. She's a Native American. She has her whole belief system. But the one common thing was whatever this spirit is is leading us in this direction. And nobody's like, oh, but you, your spirit ain't my spirit, so your spirit must be evil or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like when she said the spirit must have led you, you know, she didn't immediately be like, well, I don't think it's the same spirit as you got. You know, I, I just, I love that so much, just so much about that kind of stuff, because it's all these different cultures blending in this show and there are those that are just like, what was that family? The that was.

34:40 The Christies, the. Christies, James, I, Mary and Joseph, girl, I was so tired. I was, the Christianity was killing me. I was tired, you hear me? And so it's just such a breath of fresh air to see them just kind of mingling together and the spirit just being universal and it's speaking to you and it's speaking to you and y'all are feeling the same. You know what I mean? Like y'all are respectful and still loving to each other because I feel like like that's what it's supposed to be like. Right. You know, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And nobody's doing harm, nobody's harming each other. Everybody's in love. I might have been a little jealous of you, but what I realized is we are the same, you know?

35:22 We're just mothers who are trying to take care of their children and and have their family be safe and we are, we are the same, you know. And at this point, it's not about me and it's not about you. It's about them, the little ones, the little ones, you know, so. When she was like. Will you take him with you? Yeah. Immediately she's like, of course I will, you know, like, come on, come on. And especially, especially after the way that little boy came in, he didn't even see the grown-ups. He went straight to the baby. I think Rachel knew she was like, OK, you know what? He's gonna take care of him, brother. Yeah. He gonna take care of him. Yeah, you got a Big Brother now.

36:05 Excuse me, Hunter. Hunter I love that so much. I was just like, and it's so cool because I, I like, I'll name you. I would name your son. It's such a, such a ritualistic thing. Like to, to name, naming kids is special, you know, like I, I know some people got some names where, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't terribly special for them, but you know, I'm named after my grandma. She was named after her grandma. It's a ritual. And so for somebody to put their heart to give you a gift to name your child like that stuff. Oh my God. Like that whole scene just was, I don't know. That's my favorite part about that whole episode. It was such a good, it was such a good scene. And I was like, you know what?

36:47 This was one of them. That was one of the moments that I was looking forward to the most in this season. Like, there's certain things that happens in the books. And I was like, I need them to nail this. I need them to nail this. I need them to nail this. They nailed it. They're doing. Their thing. They nailed it. It was so good, so emotional. I was bawling, crying. I was like, oh, I know Michelle is a puddle right now, so I can't wait to talk to her about it. I know she was a mess. So yeah. What? OK, So OK, you got your son, y'all you you got this straightened out. I need you to hit your ass back. Now get back to the Ridge, right? Get back to the New York, Like New York or something. Like, how far up are they?

37:33 New York? Yeah. So they got a lot of traveling to do. They do, They really do. Oh my God. But OK, so let's see, let's let's, let's talk about William. Are we going to win first? OK. Because we the whole William and Ben thing is so funny to me. Well, it's it's funny and it's not funny because I know you watched the episode that we did. Why the episodes that we did? Why you were gone? One of the things that Michelle is saying, she wants William to to fall in love with someone who's not taking and she doesn't trust Amaranthus. And we were both wondering, like, did Amaranthus know?

38:16 And I was saying, yeah, I think she I think she knew that Ben wasn't alive. So to have Ben confirm that in this episode and to do it so nonchalantly, like, I know William wasn't really like, giving off like, Oh, yeah, I got a thing with your wife going. Right. Still, it's kind of like you're talking to William and and William is asking you like, how could you betray your family and da da, da, da, da. We thought you were dead. And he didn't say. He said, what do you think my father would wish he would rather me dead or rather me be a friend? No house going to say he should he should be dead because that's just how they were back then.

38:59 It's like your loyalty was more important than your life. Yeah, and not to mention, if they find out he traded from the other side, the RP go come after him, you know? So it's not even, you know, just the family, really. Like, he can't tell everybody he's somebody, you know? Yeah. Yeah. But that shit made me laugh so hard because when he started spilling the beans and talking about Amaranth this nude and it was her idea, I started laughing because William's face was like bro what? What Now? She trying to make me marry her and she doesn't set this whole thing? Up.

39:39 Let's see if William sit there and think about it. That's the reason why she was like, Oh yeah, we can get married. Oh, but no, we don't have to get married right away. Let's just try it out and see. Yeah, let's just have, let's just, you know, see if I get pregnant, let's see what happens. What right in the 1700s? It's a trap. What are you doing right? He's so he's so naive, like and gullible. I don't understand how at this point he is still so naive and go. I just don't get it. I don't get it. You know what? I'm going to tell you why? I'm going to tell you how. Because for all of for all of everything that William has gone through, like Michelle said, William was raised with a lot of love and I think it's just in him to think the best of people. He didn't start drinking again 'cause when he was drunk he told his daddy off about that girl, 'cause he didn't trust her. Now here you.

40:40 Go, go marry her. Listen. And then when Ben starts saying wait, what do you have to do with Amaranthus? Why are you asking about it? We was like. But my thing is then you have no right to be punching anybody because guess what? You left her. Yeah. You left her? Not unless y'all had some kind of understanding about oh OK I'm gone I'm a traitor but you still my wife right? Right. Then. You. Have no right to get mad at will because how was William supposed to know William? Think he did right?

41:23 Yeah. So it would be it would be different if he knew you were alive and he started sleeping with your wife. But you dead. All bets are all. Right. I mean, yeah, what you going to? Do about your wife though, it's your wife up here scheming what you going to do about her throwing it around, slinging it around talking about we just going to try. Listen, but the fact that Ben got so mad that he literally gave William up to to be locked up and the whole plan was for him to be home because if Denny hadn't come in when he did, he was like, yeah, I think the plan is to hang you in the morning, but we going to fix things like I need you to turn around and drop your pants.

42:05 And William was like, he was like, my arse is the only thing that feel OK, right? Because being being whooped his ass now. And he had to tell the guard he was like, yeah, I need you to go get me some, some warm water. He was like, are you going to be OK? He was like, yeah, I think he's coming. I think he has smallpox. And we just think the guard was like, hey, that's all you had to say. That's the way right that. Was funny. Let me tell you, I miss Denzel so much because we don't get to see that little wicked part of him. Very. He's so cute though. That boy got some. He just got some eyes that I'm like, OK. Joey Phillips is gorgeous.

42:47 Like, just gorgeous. OK, yeah. But that was fun because he helps William to escape. So now with this is the thing now Williams going to have to go back, right? He's going to have to again, you, you're in Savannah. You're you're in the same town that your wife is in. That already is, is suspect to me, at least the way they wrote it in the show, because in the in the books, he's all the way in Philadelphia, I think. Oh, there, there's distance, but you're right here in the same town. That's a little suspect.

43:30 Oh boy. Why can't people just do right? I just Oh my God. And then this girl, he doesn't slept with this girl and ain't nothing. I don't know. I don't know if they slept together. Well, maybe they did. Maybe they just didn't. I think they was they was just they were getting a little happy in the gazebo and unless that would that would that would have been a lot of clothes removing and stuff like you can. I don't think they slept together yet. Let's not even talk about that because I'm we get to these other folks. I'm not, I guess what I'm saying about removal of clothes. Brianna, Brianna, let's just tell you how I felt like I was a parent and I had to, I Fast forward to Wolf times because I was like. So it wasn't just.

44:17 Me. Yeah. I feel like I was Claire watching them this time. I don't know what it was, but something about them being together this time I didn't feel right and I couldn't watch it. So I've noticed I can't do that with Jamie and Claire anymore either. Like I can kind of sort of watch them, but as far as like just being, because I feel like it almost feels like because we've been watching them for so long, I almost feel like they're friends and it'll be just like watching friends. And that's just like a no, no, Like, OK, you know, I get some people are into that. I am not. It just feels way too intimate. Yeah. It's just like, like some of the other sex scenes, like I would say William and Jane or, you know, seeing Lord John with somebody.

45:05 I think because there's not emotional attachment with those scenes. I don't have a problem with those. But like, the more and more Jamie and Claire, the as the, the further along we get in their story. I can't really watch them do that anymore because it feels it feels like being a four year and I felt the same way with Brianna and Rodger in this one. It was like, I don't know, something about it was so it was so intimate. And I generally, I will be honest, I really don't usually care for Rodger and Rihanna's love scenes. They just I don't know it it it looks very awkward to me. So.

45:50 Happens because in the beginning she wasn't supposed to she wasn't really into him like he was into her and then they kind of fell in love more yeah and I I feel like because he was more into her clearly 'cause he followed her ass on the way back, right? But I feel like because he. Was so much more into. Her and it wasn't as fully you know, it was just I don't know. And so I was all right, but I don't know this one right here and he told the story about his dad. I was just like, I don't know, it was, it was so. It was too intimate. I was like that. That would be like looking at my sister and my brother. I can't do it. It would be like Ferguson. Ferguson.

46:32 Marshall is sitting there watching them do that. It it was. It felt so weird. It was like I. Can't do it. So I'm literally sitting here looking at something else and and watching out out the peripheral for them to be done because I was like, it's it's too, it's too. I felt like in that moment, it was kind of. Sacred. Yeah, that's what it was. It felt sacred. And I was like, Oh no, I'm not. Supposed to watch this? Where they're sharing this huge. Revelation and he's realizing like who he is and he realizes like what he did to save his dad and she's getting overheard like she was freaked out because he could have died and and then they get all like him grab you and I was like Nope, Nope, I don't Nope Nope, Nope, I can't Nope.

47:23 I was just. He just looks so innocent when he's. Telling her the whole story about the bomb shelter and his mom saving him but his dad catching him. And because I did this, my dad was. Able to be. There and and then all of a sudden she's like walking away. He's like, Nah, come back here girl. I'm like, oh, Oh yeah, about to do, to do. Let me, let me. Let me, let me do like this. Because not supposed to be watching. Yeah. It just it, it felt a little too personal, too much. Yeah. And then you know the other thing. About it too. Is. It's it's still hard for me. I know Brianna's old now but it's hard for me not to see her still as when she was like 18 or how old she was. It's just weird for me that she's like like in her 40s or something.

48:12 She's like, she's like in her late 30s, I think. Or early 40s, yeah, that's weird for me. So that yes, it was. A lot. It was a lot working against me and you know, I don't shy away from no sexy like right, like I'm gonna watch me some some get down to get there. But I just, yeah, it's something about, it's something about these. Things, especially in these later seasons. It's just like, I'm not supposed to be watching this. Yeah, it it does feel coordinator. It's so weird. Because I was like, wait. I'm not approved by any stretch of them. And it seems it seems it seems a bit weird but.

48:53 OK, so I feel glad that I'm not the only person who felt that way. I was like, no, I'm not going to watch. I'm going to be respectful of their hanky panky time. I wonder how? Michelle said. We can wait to get. Her opinion on that and see what she feels about that too. Because. Right. Because yeah. But but I. But I do love that. Rodger was able to have that moment because again, he was so worried. He was like, my dad never came back. I don't know what happened to him. Like, did I send him through to his death? And to know that, to even have that brief glimpse of, oh, he caught me, like, I feel like that probably healed something that he didn't even realize needed healing.

49:39 Yeah, Yeah. I loved it. It's also. Like that whole thing where it. Was a memory. That you didn't fully have, that you had and it was clear. And you're like, wait, I remember this, you know, Oh my gosh. Because even in the last episode after. He sent Jerry back when he had that little glimpse of him and his dad. He was like, I don't even know if that was a real memory. Well, now we know that was a real memory because his dad was there to catch him. So yeah, this, when I say this, this episode has so many good emotional beats. Oh, yeah. I was just like, it's OK if y'all are doing this to us now we got three more episodes. Y'all about to destroy it.

50:22 I can already tell you now I saw the. Title of the next episode. I said, yeah, this that the next episode we going to have to have some tissues. I I already? Know, I know what's? Coming. It's yeah, we we just just be prepared. We got to. Be hard. Oh God. Yeah, and you know what's crazy? I'm. I'm pretty sure I've watched. The trailer, but I don't remember anything, so that must be a reason for that 'cause I don't remember. I know. I definitely watch the preview. Oh, you. You won't get. You won't get it. Like, like there's some stuff happening in the trailer that will make you go Oh my God. But it's like when what happens?

51:06 Happens. You're gonna be like I. Wasn't expecting. That I just know. Yeah, it's it's gonna, it's going, it's going to hurt, it's going to hurt. But. But I. Do I do like? I, I one thing I love about this season is the fact that we're getting to see more interaction with Ferguson, Marceline and Rodger and Brad, like get to see them build on those relationships. I, I love that about this season. Like I said, I need for I, I need Ferguson them. I know he has, I know he has the print shop and everything, but you getting you getting all kinds of threats and they need folks to leave Fergus alone.

51:51 So I need y'all to come to the pitch. Come to the Ridge and you can print from the Ridge. You can get the news, listen, you can do something, but I just. Yeah, I, I, I need you to come back to the Ridge. But also the fact that he is, I love the fact that he's sharing with them, with what's going on with his possible fortune. You know, he's like, yeah, I, I could possibly be rich, but I don't know, like, I, I don't know. I I still think I'm still a little. Conflicted about the thing. With Fergus's suppose it, you know, origins because again, it's like, like we said, all money is isn't good money.

52:41 And I just feel like that's going to come with so many stipulations or they're they're going to be things that are attached to him getting that money that may not be in the best interest for him and his family. Well, just the name him alone. Like we y'all, y'all was talking about that matter of fact in the last video. Just him having to say that he's the concern Jermaine's son could put his life in danger, his family in danger. Just saying that alone, not even having money, just saying that because you know that dude has some enemies, OK? Look at him. And then like, I mean, you, you, you consider yourself one of his enemies. You know, he's like, he tried to kill my lady.

53:22 Like you don't play with my lady now right at all. Like that's that's my, that my real Mama. That my real Mama, That my. Real Mama, you're not going to. Mess with her so and then he was he was there during all of that right, right. He saw how attractive. He was, yeah, yeah. And so. Yeah. And then? Like these new people, these new French people they're trying to bring over, we don't know what these people is like and what they about to do when they go out West. And, you know, we don't know nothing about that. And then what if having that land is actually a good thing for him to have that land and not give it away? You know what I'm saying? Like it. Look, there might be oil on that land.

54:04 Right that like it's out West you. Know there's some oil or something out there you know the North Dakota the oil fields out there booming you know come on now look go out there and and dig you. Some oil and let Marsley have her jewels and her stuff that she's always talking about. Because yeah, I don't, I don't think. I don't think. Letting those French people. Come over is going to be a good idea first. I just, I just don't think it's. And then you gotta say you the comp size your mind. And son, yeah, but just you gotta say it because even without the the stuff that we know about him, you are a cab back then. Yeah, we don't need.

54:52 And then like, you know, he probably had to end up going to. Paris at some point, you know, and you got too many children to be leaving. Marshall behind by herself and and so she would definitely. Have to go back to the Ridge. He had to drop her off at the Ridge before he left. There's no way he could leave her and Savannah by herself with the kids. It's just too many moving pieces. I know, I know. In TV World, you can just skip the months. Yeah, like everything is good, but I don't know. And we don't need Fergus going nowhere because we only. Got 3 episodes left in this season. We don't need to go. Not am where? Not am place nothing. Yeah, stay, stay. Look. Stay in.

55:33 Savannah, go to the Ridge. Just be with your real family. Be good. You got all the riches you need there like right now while while. Brianna and them there and they will do what they going to do. Everybody ride together. Let's go together back to the all together. I mean, yeah, yeah, I'll go ahead. At least Rodger is. Rodgers getting his guns. So that right there, that was another. Scene that really touched my heart because that man had given up on them or like you know totally like was whatever about them because he was annoyed by Jamie's actions. But then because Rodger did what he was, what he felt in his heart he needed to do, and that man saw that Rodger was this great stand up person who fought and stayed and was courageous and he gave him what he needed.

56:32 It was just like just doing the. Bit the good thing. Doing the right thing. And then with him, you know, he, he's definitely wants to be a minister. Like he's definitely wanting to just do the minister thing and whatever. And it's in his heart it's, it's, you know, 'cause he was raised by the priest. I forget his name. What was the priest's name? 00 My God. Wakefield. Reverend Wakefield. Reverend Wakefield. Yes. Like, so it's it's it's kind of it's it's really sweet that he's going in, you know, really going into it. Like, this is he knows for sure this is who he is. You know, like everything has just been so sweet in this episode.

57:13 Yeah. So his little face when he read that note and he was like, he's giving us the guns. I mean, we're going to war, but. Right. Right. We're going to war, but at least we're not. Going empty handed, Yeah, we got that. That's a good thing, We tripping about it because it's gonna be a. Preacher and his wife breaking the guns. Listen, I mean who? Who would suspect? Who would suspect? You know, so yeah. It was a. It. Was a really good episode and again, I do have a problem with the fact that Jamie just kind of let Cunningham go and he he's kind of lenient with the man. I won't.

57:56 I won't. Say I have a problem with it, but I just worry about what the consequences of those actions. And, of course, Frank running his mouth in the background. I need Frank to shut up now. I need you to shut up. If you're not going to, like, physically manifest yourself as a ghost onto the Ridge, I need you to hush. Yeah, because you're not helping things and. And. Yeah. And because. Yeah, I just, you know, I hated it from the get go, but I know, I know. But he just all up in his. Head and Oh my gosh, I just I just want them to be happy, man. It's it sucks that like they just can't have too much to ask, just a little.

58:39 Piece I know. They had to spend 20 years. Away from each other. Let them have some peace. Yeah, They're making up for lost times in these last 20 years have just passed. Let let them have that. I just noticed I'm I'm sitting here looking at it in the. Background. I just realized really how white Claire's hair is getting. Oh, right, that freak right there. Not even just the street, but even on the edges, like her hair, she has a pull back. It's mostly white in the front. Yeah, it's definitely. A lot different. Which, you know, that's her power coveted, apparently. Listen. Listen. And it's kind of cool because I had forgotten like. It, you know, just so long since I watched the older seasons, But when you were saying I forget who the lady was, was it a lady that told her she would get her power? Was a native lady or and it's funny because then you have Emily who is like having prophetic dreams. So like how it's just funny how that kind of ties together. Like she's having prophetic dreams, she's coming into her power.

59:44 Like Jamie already has visions or whatever his thing is. It's like, it's like all of, it's really kind of cool how it's all come together. Yeah. Which is. Kind of like. Making me really want. To I can't wait for blood of my blood to come because I need to and we finally know it's coming back in the. Fall yay. We just I I just need a date now I need to know is it coming before dragon con or after dragon con so I can prepare. Oh that's the point. That's the point. Even way it goes, we'll be able to talk about it in. Conjuration or even conjuran or even conjuration. Exactly. Yeah, But I, I, I kind of want to know. Because I saw. Did you see the teaser trailer? I didn't get to watch it yet.

1:00:24 OK, but I was. Yeah, I was because when you said that I was still working, so I had to get a chance to come off and just go look at it. But I'm definitely soon as I get it off. Yeah, it doesn't give away a lot, but. We do see, we do see Claire as a little girl. So I don't know as you know, if that's another flashback or something like that, but I was just like the fact that we we at least know when to expect it and we know we don't have to wait very long because, I mean, the first season just aired last year, right? Yeah, Yeah. At least we're not. Having to do these two. And three-year hiatuses like they do with some of the other shows. But they were smart to just keep filming, you know?

1:01:08 And just get it because, yeah. And then having this to be here to kind of like pad pad the weight a little bit, you know, is actually good too. So I'm excited. I was. Like, yeah, you fall. So we only. So technically speaking, we only have a few months. Yeah, yeah, because the summer is filled with things that are coming. Out because we got House of the Dragon, we got Vampire. Because they went in, you know, it's funny, they. Said they were going to change the name to the actual book title and then they changed the name to the actual book. I'm sorry, the vampire list. That yeah. So, yeah, but I cannot wait because like I said, I I've gotten to where I love that show as much as I love this this show because it's just, I, I feel like the storytelling is great there. You get to explore a little bit more because we don't really know this, like especially with Claire's parents, we don't really know their story.

1:02:06 And because it's kind of made-up for the show, you can kind of do a. Lot of. Things and and still make it make sense. So I know that about the show. I know a lot of people don't like it. That's OK Y'all will be all right. I'll I'll watch the show enough for everyone and they probably had whatever the ending. Or whatever is coming together with this so that they could write and put it all together. So once you know and then it'll it'll be seamless the way they do it. I'm excited. And that show, I mean, I don't know, like how people couldn't like that show. It was so well done It it really was. And the. Characters the the actors are so good. As the characters like, yeah, yeah. So I'm very excited.

1:02:49 I love. It I'm I'm. So I'm so ready for. It I'm so ready for it did we I think we covered everything, didn't we? Let's. See. Yeah, I feel like we did. Yeah. No, I think we did because. I feel like this episode even though it. Was still like an hour it felt so short yeah to me and every. Each time I. Watch it, it just seems like it flies by, but it also feels like they're putting a lot. Of stuff in the episode, that's the thing, yeah, they're filling it up for sure The the. Story is condensed a little bit. Because of course, because of course that book is like, this is huge.

1:03:31 But I feel like they're doing such a great job as far as what they've pulled from the books and are putting in it. And I think I saw, I think Diana Gabaldon said that this was her favorite episode so far because it's it's almost like 75% book stuff. OK, OK. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's why it feels so good is because it was written, you know, was pulled so much. It wasn't like their take on the thing. They kind of just kept the the heart of what she wrote more. Yeah, because it's definitely. Probably one of my favorite. Episodes of this whole season, for sure, yeah, and especially because we.

1:04:14 Oh, that's why also, that's why it feels like there's so much because you literally we got to see every bit of the family in this one. You know, you still with some episodes you see like of course you're going to see Claire and Jamie, you might see Brianna and Rodger, but you don't see Ferguson Marshall and you might get some Williams stuff or you might not. But in this one we got all of we literally got the whole family and got to see what they were doing. I think the only people that we haven't seen are Lizzie and. The kids, but I mean. We had Josiah in the Yeah, I was about to say we had a twin. Yeah. And we had buck, so we we. Have Buck. So we literally have everybody.

1:04:59 So I feel like they're doing a good job because you're you're kind of compartmentalizing these stories, but you're giving us everybody. And I can kind of see where things are going to start coming together to where everybody's going to come together because, like I told Michelle, I just need them all to be together at least once. Or for the final. Episode Everybody needs to be together and I'll be happy. You don't have to tell me what happens to. Them next. I don't well, I told her, I said if we can get all of them together 1 episode that she can have her notebook. And then that's why I just want to, I just want to see everybody together. Yeah.

1:05:42 I mean I. Agree with her. I kind of that no, but you need kind of works that kind of works. I I kind of want that to, No, I mean, you know. They don't need to die. They can be like I told her they can be. Immortal. I don't care. I mean, they really could, honestly, because look how. Much stuff they survive so far. Like surprise, some crazy shit and they're not there yet. You know there's no way normal people would have survived half or something, right JB? They definitely would have to move though. No. And maybe they can move to what's Ferguson's new land out West, honey, Because I, I would like take the family and just go because don't nobody know you out there. Yeah, I mean you'd be able to start. Over because you can't really go back to. Scotland There's still people who know Jamie in Scotland and will for at.

1:06:38 Maybe a couple of other. General, you know, a couple of generations, because even if they weren't adults, they probably were children when he was there or even the last time he was there, they probably like, oh, we heard that the Laird is back or whatever. So yeah, they could be. Immortal, but no I just I. Just want to see them all together. That's like my only stipulation for the the finale or, you know, for what I want at the end of the season. I want to see them all together. Yeah, that would be great. Anything else? I need. I need Jamie and. Lord John to make up I need William. Oh my God, yes, I need William to.

1:07:18 Come to terms with. Who he is as a person and who his his real father is, I need. I would like to see that resolved. I think Breanna really did help with. That though? I think so. I hope so. Because. Because he needed to hear that, I think. Yeah. Because she literally has the. Same story, almost like raised by somebody else, didn't know he was your dad. Like, I mean, hated him 'cause you, you were mad at him, you know, like, yeah, right around the same age. When they found out, yeah, Oh yeah, yeah. But so yeah, 3 episodes left. Oh my God.

1:08:06 It's it's hard because the last season had what, 16, 1717? Episodes and then we back down. To the to the little minuscule 10 yeah, I, I, I just. I'm not ready. I'm not ready to let it go. Oh no, sorry. 4 episodes. 4 episodes. Did I say 4? Oh, wait, So what is the six this is? Episode 6. So we have 4 episodes. I don't know why. I'm thinking 7 because 7 because 7 comes out tonight at midnight. So I think that's my brain. It's Thursday. My. Days are so off because we usually do this on Monday and then my days are so off. I'm like, wait, what?

1:08:47 The last few, the last couple of. Weeks has been off because especially without you being here, like things have been going on like again, we knew Michelle was going to be busy because her her daughter is a senior this year. This is like prom season. This is when all the senior stuff is happening. So we knew the schedule was going to be kind of crazy, which is one of the reasons why I've never said like, OK, we release episodes on this day because we all have lives. We all have stuff that that we have to do. And sometimes we just can't record what we want to record some days. And you got to edit like, it's. Yeah. Got to edit and then of course you know I have chronic illness. These migraines have been kicking my ass for the last month and all this stuff happening. So yeah.

1:09:33 But hopefully for the next episode, all three of us can can get together and do it. Yeah, because we don't need the therapy session. I'm just, I'm just going to put it out there. We're going to need a therapy session. Absolutely. Because, you know, they got to start, they got to start doing some like emotionally damaging stuff. We only have 4 episodes left. Like we haven't been properly devastated yet this season. So we have to have at least one event that's going to devastate us always. So, yeah. But I I tell you what though, as long as nobody. 'S getting sexually assaulted.

1:10:20 I think I will be OK. I think we're done with all of that. Oh my God, like every time I turn. Around somebody was getting sexually assaulted and I was like, Diana, what is going on with your life, girl? But you know what? Unfortunately, 17. Hundreds, that was. I know, I know. And that's one of the reasons why, like I know people. Complain about that and I and I understand it, but it's also like it was. That was a part of life. Back then and you can't just shun away from it because it's an ugly truth. That would be just like people saying well I don't want to read about slavery outside. Well guess what it existed and y'all need to know what the fuck happened.

1:11:00 Well that's the thing. Like I just. I think so. For me, because like people used to say that about GLT, about Game of Thrones, it needs to be mad about like how women were treated. But I do feel like there was a lot, a lot of men being treated very poorly Theon all that show. But yeah, that's that's the thing about Game of Thrones. They. Were equal opportunity masochists horrible? And so I think over. Time just seeing it happen, but also like you know, JB situation him being assaulted like all the stuff like it started off in the first first first two seasons already like so by the time the Lionel Brown stuff happened I was like look, look at here I'm. Tired of this?

1:11:45 So I'm glad we don't have no more of that. Yeah. And I I think the way that they. Handled that particular episode was they did it very well because we didn't like actually see it. And also like with Brianna's, like Brianna's was bad enough we heard it. We didn't have to see it. But with Claire. 'S it's kind of like at as they implied it was happening, and then of course she kind of went off into our own hair. I like the way that they did that because it's like you're letting us know what's going on without us having to watch it and witness it. And I think that was very powerful in the way that they did that. But yeah, I don't think we have anything to worry about because I don't think that's happened.

1:12:28 I really just see stuff that's happened. Yeah, shot and chopped up on the battlefield and. See somebody be I just oh. Child we got. Enough stuff coming up at a certain age. I just I founded myself. I'm more annoyed by stuff than I used to be. You know, we are turning into our parents. I. Mean like like now I can't. Stand when they the whole story is a woman losing her child like her baby or like you know, during pregnancy and she lose a baby. Why is it driving the whole story like so it's just a lot of different things. And that was just one of the things about this over the years. But oh, bravo, I I have obviously loved Outlander.

1:13:08 You know, I'm not going to bash the show because of that, but like I just I was just like, well, I just don't need nowhere that so but yeah, this episode was one of my definitely one of my favorites. It was really good and everybody is everybody just looking good and happy, pretty spelling and I know and somebody, somebody commented. They were like, is it just me or is Jamie looking so much better this season? They were like, the the wig is is good, the clothes are good. I said, you know, we said the same thing about Rodger, too. They were OK final season. Look, the glow up is real. They all looking good.

1:13:48 And I love the fact that Marsley has her hair down all the time. I love it 'cause you know, she was all covered. And, you know, and hair up and pinned. I like it now. Yeah, yeah. She's like, look, I'm gonna let this. Let these luxurious locks flow. I love it, I love it. I don't feel good to pop up. On YouTube, but I I need to go back and watch it. They're in an interview together. They're so cute. I love, I love their interviews together. They. They are so cute Yep. But oh, the other exciting thing Lancon just announced the new guest. We're getting Buck that that excited me because, you know, he's become like one of my favorite characters on the show, even though we don't get to see him as much, but. He brings a lot.

1:14:37 He brings a lot, right? Like when he thought he was acting, his heart was like he was panicking because it was 1 was like a panic attack or something he was having throwing him. I can't remember, but he was talking about his heart. Like his heart might have been strained by going through the stones or something, but whatever it is, he seemed to be cured of it now. You're going to keep it that way. He could stay on the Ridge. He But he protected Jamie when everybody else was gone. When when Josiah was coming up with the group, he was up there on the roof with his gun. He was. Yeah, with people. Look, you. Have it through as family, we good. We good he 10 toes down.

1:15:23 I'm here for it. Oh. It was the last episode where JB Eclair, I'm sorry, I keep breaking stuff up. It was the last episode where JB Eclair was like, we better not tell. But I killed, Oh yeah, that we killed his parents. I don't want to do. Now here's the thing. I think because of the fact. That buck has gone. Through the stones because now he, he is aware of kind of like how maybe not how things work, but how it affects things. I think if he were to find out and, and they were to tell him what happened, I think he would understand because Dougal was so Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, he I don't think he would have listened to what they said. And then also because of the, the how early it was in the 1700s, he probably would have been like, oh, she a witch, we need to hang her.

1:16:19 He probably wouldn't have done it. Or maybe not because of the. Fact that Galas was also, you know, people thought of Galas as a witch and he loved her, she was. One of my favorite characters though, she was pretty badass. Evil, yes. I don't know if I would say evil, but he was very, he was very self-serving. Yeah, he was very self. Serving and. Unfortunately, a lot of times when you're self-serving the decisions. You make and the things that you. Do are not on the up and up I. Don't know I. Don't think I would call him evil though.

1:17:00 No, I'm talking about gay list because that's a whole different. Yeah, gayness is evil. I. Don't think Dougal was evil, I just think Dougal just. Was proud and just like you said about Scotland, Scotland, Scotland, like, you know, a little bit misguided, but yeah, yeah. So OK. 4 episodes left and then we can cry into our soup. Until the fall. Hopefully next week we can. All three of us can be on. Here and we can have our therapy session because we're definitely going to need it. Yeah. So I guess we'll just prepare for that, but. For now, that is it for.

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