Outlander (Season 8 Episode 7) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #405

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Deanna and Michelle.
We got.

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Both of them this week, Yay.
But it's because we got to talk

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about episode 7 of the final
season of Outlander.

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And I'm going to start this
episode off by saying there will

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be some book spoiler talk in
this particular episode.

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And also, I have said this
before, I have read the books.

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I'm a show person.
I'm very OK with separating the

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two and knowing that the show
was going to go in One Direction

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and you know the books are in
another direction.

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With that being said, what the
fuck was this episode?

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I'm mad at the whole entire.
Episode yeah, yeah, we we need

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to talk about it because I will
say this, as much as I love this

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show and as much as I'm again,
I'm OK when when you make

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changes from book to screen, I
understand some things have to

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change, be different, whatever,
whatever.

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However, I will say, out of all
eight seasons of this show, this

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is probably my lowest ranked
episode ever.

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OK, I can understand.
And I will say this too, it has

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nothing to do with the acting.
The acting in this episode was

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was beautiful.
It was.

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Beautiful.
Everything was beautiful.

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Let's just put that aside.
Everything written, everything

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done was beautiful.
But this goes with what I said a

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couple of, you know, shows ago
about how, OK, we just dragging

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along, but then you want to get
to this episode and you want to

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just throw stuff at us.
And this happened behind the

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scenes.
This is so you were happy,

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correct?
That we didn't ask for and we

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didn't need just.
Literally could have been left

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done.
Yeah, yeah.

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OK.
So Michelle, you, you actually

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have to leave early out of this
recording.

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So where do you want to go
'cause I know the the Williams

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stuff we can talk about later.
Do you want to go to the faith

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stuff or do you want to go to?
The Fergus stuff real quick,

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will you 'cause I'll talk about
that later.

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I don't like him.
I didn't really.

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He he getting on my last nerves.
I didn't like how he talked to

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his father today.
I did not.

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Yeah, hot and cold, hot and
cold.

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Yeah, right.
So that part, so he better get

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it together, right?
He he got one more, he got one

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more episode, right.
No, Nope.

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He did episodes.
We got left three.

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He got 3 episodes getting
together.

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Yeah, Nope.
He he did to me.

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Right, 'cause today, boy, I was
like, oh, I don't care.

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I'm like him, kick it, get out.
But but OK, but go somewhere.

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I'm going to say this one thing
as far as as far as William

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goes.
William really needs to pay

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attention to what people are
saying to him about him.

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Because when Amaranthus had the
conversation with him and she

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said I was I was looking for a
cow.

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And he was like, oh, and you
thought I was being would be

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that person.
She was like, yeah, first, Sir,

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you need to take the fact that
someone looked at you as an easy

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mark, and you need to think
about that.

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You really need to think about
that.

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Yeah.
On the other hand, I can

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understand William being tired
of everybody lying to him,

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everybody deceiving him,
whatever.

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Whatever.
Lord John, you got two young

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people in your house.
Your ass shouldn't have been

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kissing nobody.
Well, you know, I felt the

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moment.
Too, so it's OK.

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And.
I feel still have locked the

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door.
But Lord John has been in the

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situations where he.
Has been talking with his.

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Pants down one too many times.
I know, I know.

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Like, do what?
I was just saying poetry,

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though.
I mean, in a minute, yeah, I'm

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gonna need he.
Was I'm gonna need.

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You to hold your horses.
He was.

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You used to love me.
Oh, yeah.

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OK.
Remember when?

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Yeah.
Oh, come on now, John.

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I want you to take my time like
Percy.

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Here's my thing.
What did you do to him?

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Because Lord John, when Lord
John loves, he loves heart.

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So what the fuck did you do to
him?

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Because he didn't just stop
loving you.

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He didn't just like cast you off
and be like, Oh, I'm not going

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to think about him again.
You did something fucked up to

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him.
But I digress.

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That's that's the that's the
least, that's the least of of

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the episode to me.
Let's go ahead since Michelle

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has to leave in a little bit.
Let's go ahead and talk about

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this Fergus bullshit because.
So clearly this must be not in

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the books.
It it is.

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Not OK, because I was.
I was cursing your name.

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I was like, she should have told
me this shit a long time ago.

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So what is happening here?
You tell me everything else but

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you can't tell me this.
I was mad.

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Spoiler And when I tell you
this, you're going to remember

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that we had a conversation about
this maybe two years ago.

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OK, so in the episode and again,
we are going through book

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spoilers.
So if you don't want book

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spoilers, you may want to, you
know, chill out for a bit.

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Later.
So in the books on RE, Christian

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is the one that dies, and he
dies in much the same way he

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almost died in this episode.
There is a fire.

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They are trying to escape
because the boys have the boys

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have been sleeping on the roof
because they go up to the roof

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to watch the stars.
Fergus goes up, he tries to save

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them.
He basically does the same

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thing, but Ari Christian slips,
Jermaine tries to catch him.

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He doesn't.
And that's what I was reading to

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Dina when you got on the call.
Because in the interviews about

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the show, when, when the the
showrunners and the writers have

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been asked like, why the change?
They said that they did not feel

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like the death of Andre
Christian would fit the theme of

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what they were trying to do with
the final season.

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And then they said it's a
specific line in the book that

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made them say, we cannot do this
on TV.

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I'm going to read to you the
last line of of what happens to

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Armory Christian.
This is what is written in the

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book.
The sound of his head striking

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the cobbles was the sound of the
end of the world.

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No, when I read that, I had to
put the book down.

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I couldn't read the book for
several hours.

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I had to leave it alone because
I was like, I had known that he

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had died.
I had been spoiled about that,

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but I didn't know the manner in
which he died.

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So when I read that and it was
that I, it, it was horrible.

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And then in the books, that kind
of leads into a separate, a

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separate storyline for Jermaine
because he's so consumed by

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guilt that he leaves his
parents.

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He goes to live on the Ridge
with Jamie and Claire for a

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little bit.
So you get his own part of the

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story and him trying to kind of
come to terms with his his

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guilt.
He thinks his mom hates him and

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just all the stuff because he
couldn't save his brother.

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But I'm aware they don't have
time to do that in the show, so

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they scrapped it.
They even understand to a

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degree, making Fergus the
sacrificial lamb.

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Yeah, I understand.
You didn't have to do that.

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No.
I mean, you OK, you could have

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made to the what fire dangerous.
You could have made them say,

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OK, they go, they get they get
through the fire and they're

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like, OK, you know what?
It's time for us to go.

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Because the fact that y'all have
been treating these threats and

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these letters with the joke, I
get it.

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You're not.
You're trying not to let people

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scare you off, but the moment
somebody threatens me and talks

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about a fire at my children, my
ass is on the way to the Ridge.

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Yeah.
OK, so now I so I get it.

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So between the two, yes, someone
actually did need to pass.

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We we this is not, you know,
superhero movies where everybody

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lives now this is real life.
So someone had to go.

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I prefer Fergus and baby, yeah,
'cause he already had to deal

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with stuff with younger, so we
can't do that to him again.

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Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Fergus lived a full life with

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full love and children and
probably got another one on the

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way to be honest with you.
'Cause they have a good time.

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Good afternoon.
So the afternoon.

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If they do that, if they do that
with, with Marsley, if they make

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her pregnant with Fergus gone,
that I'm going to be upset about

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because in the again, in the
books, they lost a child.

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Fergus is still there that they
they help each other through it.

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And she actually has twins after
after this tragedy.

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If they do that to her in this
show, I'm going to be pissed

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because the other the other
thing is, you know, and we we've

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been talking about the way that
we want the show to end or

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whatever.
And I literally said for the

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last two episodes, yeah, just
put bring everybody back to the

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Ridge and just let them be
happy.

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You get the family back to the
Ridge.

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And I saw I, you know, there was
a comment in one of my groups

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and they were like, well, I see
what they're doing.

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They're they're steering
everybody to the Ridge.

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And I get it, I said.
But The thing is, everybody is

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not on the Ridge.
It feels so if they if they do

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that, if they get everybody to
the Ridge, because of course Ian

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and Rachel are coming back and
they have an extra child.

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So I get it.
The whole, you know, you lose

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one life, you gain another.
You know, Claire and Jamie

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figured found out and figured
out that Fanny is their

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granddaughter in this one.
So I, I get the whole thing, but

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it, it felt, it felt like a
cheap way out to me.

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And even Diana Gabaldon, like
Parade magazine does interviews

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with her every week about the
season.

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And literally I knew something
was fucked up because I saw the

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kind of like the the blurb of
her interview for this week and

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she was like, Oh no, they chick,
they, they chickened out.

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I said, OK, they didn't kill
Andre Christian.

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Who did they kill?
And then that's not a chicken

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now, that's just a replacement.
It's a better replacement.

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He.
Said that they chickened out

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because they didn't tell the
story the way the story was

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supposed to be.
Told well, remember, this is a

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different turning of the wheel.
So that's not fair.

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We can't one side, we can't say
this is a different telling than

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the other.
OK, well, they didn't do exactly

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what the books say.
We can't do that because there's

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other stories that you have read
that has been brushed over us,

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not even brought up to a tent.
Christian storyline.

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What was this whole?
The whole episode was just.

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OK, now that part was fine.
Fergus Park is fine because that

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was life.
And you kind of see that it was

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leading up to that anyway,
because then like, oh, having

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loved a lot and oh, let's make
babies and love all at the same

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time, fam, I get.
That it feels like it feels like

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the scene and end game when all
the women come together and

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Black Widow is missing.
Yeah, I get that you're going to

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have that, but you're going to
have this other people missing

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too, you know?
However, what is the worst thing

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they could possibly have done is
just say that faith was a lie to

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me.
That's some bullshit.

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I didn't care for that.
Part of the story I knew they

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were going to come up with some
way.

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And then then watching it, I was
like, but that doesn't explain

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the song.
But then at the end you're going

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to explain the song.
And then I looked at the title.

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It doesn't even make sense.
Because because if Master

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Raymond.
Look.

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Quote UN quote, faith to the
lace maker and said her mom sang

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this song to her.
That means your ass was watching

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Claire the entire day, listening
to her sing that song to that

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dead baby, the baby who never
woke up, whose skin hadn't even

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finished forming, whose fingers
hadn't even finished forming.

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She held this baby for hours.
And you want me to believe that

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this healthy baby, that you, it
makes no sense.

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And I get it.
They're trying to tie Fanny to

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the Fraser.
So there's that whole sense of

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family again.
You lost one part of your

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family.
Now you got 1.

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And that's the other thing I
don't like.

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You lose the adopted son, but
you have now a so-called blood

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relative.
It's almost like you sacrificed

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the one for the other.
I don't like that.

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And then on top of that, now
that means that William slept

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with his niece or his aunt.
Well, yeah, Yeah, he slept with

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his niece.
Yeah.

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Yeah, what the fuck?
Yeah, Game of Thrones, Game of

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Thrones and.
No.

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Oh yeah, it wasn't.
Me, yeah.

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Yeah, that, that, that see,
that's what I'm saying.

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We we should have went with her
parents, son from blood in my

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blood.
And that's where the path led

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to.
So I just, I just sat there and

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shook my head the whole entire
time.

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I was like, this is some crap on
crap some.

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Beautiful acting on their.
Parts but that was beautiful

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like it it Yeah, think about.
Jumping the shark What?

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Yeah, we didn't need that.
We didn't need that.

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The clothes like it was because
the thing about it, it was a lot

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when it happened during that
time.

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And so it was all for nothing.
All the emotions, the things

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that they went through as a
couple because of that, that was

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all for nothing, right?
But you had this all.

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Not only now were they separated
for 20 years, their daughter was

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alive.
The whole you have, that's the

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right one to find them.
Yeah.

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But that's even more like,
that's even more fucked up.

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And then let's not even talk
about the fact that Master

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Raymond all of a sudden, like
you memorize the whole song that

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she sang to the baby.
Yeah.

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And it.
Hurts you and was like OK well

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I'm going to come back and get
her and maybe that's what the

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whole apology was supposed to be
he was supposed to go back to

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get faith and bring her to her
and and he didn't because he got

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caught by the king or what but
the.

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The point of him taking?
Her is is the other thing, like

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if you're going to tie up loose
ends, tie him up, why did he

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even take her to begin with?
Like what was the point of what

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he did declare?
Right, Right.

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Right, unless you're going to
try to say, oh, he held the baby

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after he healed Claire and and
he but again, this is a book

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faint.
Master Raymond has this healing

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power.
The the whole there's like a

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whole blue light thing that
these healers can do.

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And it's something that happens
to Claire as well later on in

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the books.
But it's kind of like you don't

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introduce that in the show.
So all of a sudden now you

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bringing us somebody who can
bring a baby back from the dead

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because that baby was dead.
Yes, it was sad.

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We cried our eyes out, but that
baby was dead as a doornail

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dead.
And and now you going to have

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this healthy looking baby that
you take to this woman.

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And then not only that, you have
when the whole thing with Fanny

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talking about her grandmother
being a lace maker and Jamie is

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like, oh, I think I bought lace
from her once I heard a baby.

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I was like, what the fuck?
Did you hear her?

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You were in prison and then they
do that stuff at the end about,

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oh, I had AI had a a a lace veil
made from there, and it's the

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one that she wore.
I was like, OK, but even even

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with that Jamie fresh out of
jail arguing with Claire, you

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going to take the time to go
into Paris into a lace maker

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shop to go buy like not that
really makes sense.

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You got more important things
going on then you need to go buy

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something pretty for your wife
to wear to the baby's grave.

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It just right.
It just like y'all could have

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done some other stuff instead of
bringing this this faith stuff

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in.
We didn't need that.

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There are so many other things
you could have been doing if you

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were going to bring it just it
makes no sense.

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I can't even think clearly and
speak.

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It makes no sense.
It doesn't.

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Like, did we really need that?
No, that's why I was like, this

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is this is I knew.
I knew they were going to do it.

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Just the short though.
Because I know.

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There was no figure it out.
But it's just like, and one of

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the things we always say is that
Claire and Jamie have lived a

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lifetime of trauma.
They don't.

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And they already have this
impending doom with the war

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stuff.
They didn't need another tragedy

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on top of that to find out that
your child was alive, raised

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without you, given information
about you, was coming to search

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for you, and then died trying to
come find you.

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And then?
And then and your other son

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died, right So and.
Who?

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Oh my God, let's stay going
back.

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Like I just I just I, I was not
pleased with that part of the

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episode because when they
started going in that direction,

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I said, are we really about to
talk about this face stuff

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again?
Like like, OK, I didn't know

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they were going to go in that
direction.

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Like they they really, they
really tried to stick the

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landing with that and it just
it, it feels faucet it, it's

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starting to go into for me kind
of like a final season Game of

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Thrones, terrible Thrones.
Yeah, I'm thinking that they

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they're rushing to get through
it and just get it over with

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because it's over.
And, and, and we spent all that

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time, that's why I was saying
the first half of the season we

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dragging and now we rushing at
the end to throwing paint at the

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wall.
I'm very disappointed.

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Yeah, they they didn't have to
do this faith storyline.

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The Fergus thing, If I sit with
it, I can be OK with.

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Well, no, OK, let me let me
rephrase.

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No, I'm.
Not OK with it because I'm not

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OK with it, Fergus.
Is about my.

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Favorite characters like from
start to finish?

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Yeah.
I understand though.

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That's the thing.
That's the hard part.

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I understand.
It's the choice between the two.

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Yeah, 'cause nobody.
Wants and then here's the other

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thing, not just about having the
child die, but to have it be a

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little person.
And see, that's the.

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Other thing, yeah, that's the.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was

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like, he's already had a hard
enough life.

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Like why are?
You why we had to do this?

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Again And then they were, you
know, discussing, they've been

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discussing like, is he going to
have a good life?

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Is he going to be OK?
Is all this stuff?

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When I saw that baby, because I
had already talked to Hanukkah,

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I was like, man, if they kill
Henri Christian, I'm going to be

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real.
She.

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Literally said that at the end,
at the end last week when we

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right before we, you know, she
was like, if they kill Henri

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Christian, I'm going to be mad.
And I'm just sitting here like,

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because I really thought that's.
What they were going to do?

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That's why I had been.
Telling y'all I'm glad I didn't

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know, Yeah.
That's why I had been telling

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y'all it's going to be
emotional, that it's going to be

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an emotional episode.
Like I knew it was going to be

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rough.
OK, You didn't say.

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Though I knew immediately it was
going to be Fergus.

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Yeah.
Me too soon as he got.

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He.
Wasn't most though.

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I see it.
You know what?

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I'm so damn mad right now.
So mad.

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I was so mad I couldn't even pay
attention hardly well to the

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rest of the episode because I
was just in.

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And I got spoiled about it.
I got spoiled that it was Fergus

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not even not even 12 hours into
like the episode dropped Friday

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at midnight.
I did not watch it because I

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knew I was like me thinking that
this is going to be Ari

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Christian's death.
I was like, I can't go to bed

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sobbing my ass off and then
expect to get up and go to work

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in the morning.
It's just not going to happen.

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I'm like, OK, I'm a stay off
social media.

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I'm not going to look at
anything.

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I'll watch it when I get home.
I'm at work looking for

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something else on Google and the
the the headline comes up and

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the headline literally says
something like outlet look

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shocking episode Outlander
tragedy as Fergus Fraser dies.

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I said you know what, I'm
fucking done because now y'all

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putting spoilers in the fucking
headlines.

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Like just right, any it could
have been clickbaity, just oh

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death on Outlander.
And then people would have still

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clicked on it if they wanted to
read it.

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But here's the thing, and this
is the thing that also makes me

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mad about these entertainment
writers.

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You're going to, you're going to
put a spoiler alert in the

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headline and say spoiler alert
such and such dies.

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You blank out the person who
dies, but then you you put a

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picture of the fucking person
with the guy.

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Yeah.
So I hate when that happens,

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Yeah.
What, like give people an

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opportunity at least a day?
It wasn't even.

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Yeah, give us an opportunity to
look at it and to be surprised

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and to have the right emotional
reaction.

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Because yes, I cried when I
watched it because again, Fergus

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is one of my favorite
characters, but I know me and I

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know how I watch things and I
know if I did not know that

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Fergus was going to die, I'd
have been sobbing

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uncontrollably.
I couldn't even have a a genuine

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reaction because I already knew
what was coming.

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So I, so it's like the episode
in and of itself made me mad.

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And then to have it spoiled for
me so that I can't, you know,

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read it and, you know, I, I, I
kind of put a rant about it on

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threads and somebody was like,
well, stay on social media,

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bitch.
I was off social media.

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Right, right.
I'm like, you didn't say you

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got, you said you got.
Right, so it was.

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It it was just.
It was and.

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Also, why do we got a completely
like bar ourselves from the

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Internet?
At.

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All to not get spoiled like the
selfishness of this time is

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like.
Everybody wants to be so, so

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quick to be the first to say
this, to have a reaction to, to

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spoil something, to to post
something.

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It's like that even with movies,
with these people who go and

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stalk movie sets and they're
posting, you know, they're

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taking pictures from the street
and they're like, oh, I took

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pictures of the sets.
I don't want to know all this

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stuff.
Let some of us be surprised.

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That's the one.
But I'm OK with you doing it in

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your video, but don't have it as
the picture and just in your

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title, say spoilers and you have
your normal picture of you and

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the the title of the show and
that's it.

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Yeah.
Because yeah, when I'm finished

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watching it, I like to watch the
videos about it afterwards.

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I want them to talk about the
same thing, but don't I hate

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that the same thing.
You have a picture of the person

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who's being killed or whatever
is happening as your.

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Snapshot and then you like
spoiler alert, such somebody

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dies on the Ridge or somebody
die.

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I mean, and, and the other thing
I think that really kind of

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upset me about the way they did
the episode because of the fact

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that they've been focusing on
Fergus's relationship with Andre

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Christian in the last three
episodes.

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It's almost like you pulled a
faint on us, like you made us

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you, you literally gave us all
this relationship and then it's

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and and.
For the book.

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Readers, for us watching it that
way, we know what's coming.

439
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You know, I knew there was going
to be a death.

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I knew our it was supposed to be
onri Christian In my mind as a

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book reader, I was prepared to
deal with that on the screen.

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I was like, OK, I already know
how I reacted to that in the

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books.
I know it's going to be hard on

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on screen, but if they do it
right and that was the thing I

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was like, if they do it right,
OK, let me just let me let me

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get.
And they could have left out the

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head cracking.
They could have just had him

448
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fall and fade to black and then
he's gone.

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I mean, they could have done it
differently.

450
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,400
If I don't want him, obviously,
'cause I, like I said, I don't.

451
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,360
I didn't want him to die.
Yeah, but like that.

452
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,520
One that one done.
It if they wanted to stick to

453
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,480
the story.
Yeah, but that would have just

454
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,960
been devastating.
Just.

455
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,360
But it's yeah, I mean, it's
devastating regardless.

456
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,320
I just, yeah, so bad.
I don't, I just.

457
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,840
And let me just say Lauren Lau
and Sophie Skelton in that

458
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,320
bedroom scene.
Which is why my eyes are still

459
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,640
red because of that scene.
Really messed me up.

460
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:24,600
Like, oh, so just yeah, they
don't have to do us like that.

461
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,640
Like, really?
You gonna kill?

462
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:33,640
You gonna kill Fergus 4 episodes
before the end of the season?

463
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,600
He could have went to the Ridge
with his family.

464
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,720
Y'all could have just.
OK, we do know, but again, they

465
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,800
had to make a choice.
I'm OK with their choice.

466
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,040
I'm with Diana Gabaldon, she was
like if y'all not going to do it

467
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,800
the way it was supposed to be
done, y'all could have just

468
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,120
burnt the burnt the print shop
down and let everybody live.

469
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,600
Right.
Or they could have made the

470
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,480
random person who burned the
print shop down get accidentally

471
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,200
messed up and then burn up with
the shop, because that happens.

472
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,160
And then that that could have
been that could have been

473
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,200
Ferguson Marshall is cool.
Like OK, now just the.

474
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:11,880
Family, families, this was a
core events in their life.

475
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,760
This was a core event in their
life.

476
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,520
So it just happened to switch
people in the family.

477
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,320
They still can have the same
outcomes.

478
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,600
She's still going to have the
twins.

479
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,040
The oldest can still feel like
mom blames me.

480
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,120
If me and my brother wasn't up
on the roof, we can still have

481
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,760
the same.
If y'all can make faith be

482
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,680
alive, Fergus could have lived.
He could have lived.

483
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,840
That's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.

484
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,880
But then that's that's they
should let that alone because

485
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,480
that's even devastating.
That's devastating or someone

486
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,640
know that the child I thought
was dead that I kind of got over

487
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,480
that I didn't get over clearly
because you don't get over it is

488
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,320
then now alive, but then now
dead and I can get over the fact

489
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,800
that they were alive, had kids
dead and then one of my

490
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,800
grandkids is dead, right.
Oh my gosh, you just made it

491
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,000
worse and.
It makes it even worse because

492
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,920
they were coming to find her, so
their tragedies mostly befit

493
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,720
them because they were trying to
find Claire.

494
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,840
How do you?
Live with that, right?

495
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,320
And I left with home pregnant.
How?

496
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:33,160
How do who's Faith as a grown up
hear about Lady Brock to Rock

497
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,280
and say oh she's living in North
Carolina now?

498
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,240
Because technically speaking,
Jimmy has been Lady Brock to

499
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800
Rock for the last 30 something
years.

500
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,720
I was going to bring that up
about.

501
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,440
I was going to bring that up
because I was like when you were

502
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,360
saying they just they, they just
mixed up some did a lot of stuff

503
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,840
and just put a little something
on it and try to cover it up and

504
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,760
make it a thing.
Yeah.

505
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,600
No, because there's no way they
know that that's who she was

506
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,120
because they were on the run
when they went to Paris and.

507
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,800
Then north and then you know,
I'm in North Carolina.

508
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,920
And you know, I'm in North.
Carolina, where you could death

509
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,520
from who told you, right?
Exactly.

510
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,480
Unless they went to visit Jenny
and Jenny was like oh but I

511
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,080
don't even think even that is
crazy but still.

512
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,760
Because I don't feel like Jenny
would say it.

513
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,760
Because and, and again, this
might be reaching, but here's

514
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,920
the thing.
Remember the last time Claire

515
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,800
and Jamie went to Scotland?
Claire told her family that she

516
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,040
was a time traveler.
So if you just random nilly

517
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,320
Willy coming to ask about Jamie
Fraser and Claire Fraser,

518
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,480
Jenny's probably going to be
like, why you want to know where

519
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,720
they at?
They ain't here.

520
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,320
That's all you need to know.
I don't see Jenny telling

521
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,440
someone, oh, they're in North
Carolina, and I don't see her

522
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,560
sharing that information.
Like she's probably told people,

523
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,480
yeah, oh, they're over in the
Americas.

524
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,280
They're in the colonies.
But I mean, my thing is, that's

525
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,160
the only way they would know
because nobody else would know

526
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,960
where they were in Paris.
So like, how are they explaining

527
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,480
that?
Like, yeah.

528
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,800
And how did Master?
I don't remember because this

529
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,160
was a long, but like, how did
Master Raymond know to call her

530
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,680
that?
I don't even remember how he

531
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,960
would he.
Wouldn't know that she's lady

532
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,280
brought to her out because when
she when she was coming back and

533
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:32,400
forth to the to the shop, I
think she mentioned she

534
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,960
mentioned that name to him.
So he's known her as lady

535
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,200
brought to her out.
But it wasn't I don't think too

536
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,360
many people in France knew her.
And no, actually, I think she

537
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,960
did use that title in France.
OK.

538
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:53,560
Because I think no, that was La
Don Blanche they were calling

539
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,200
her.
But yeah, I think she did

540
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,720
mention that name to to master
Raymond.

541
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,120
But Even so, that whole thing
like, like I love the fact that

542
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,320
he showed up at the end, but
also that ending, that end

543
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,600
scene, it felt very thrown
together, very rushed and.

544
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,480
Ridiculous.
It didn't feel organic to to the

545
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,840
story.
It it just, it didn't.

546
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,560
This whole episode was not
great, but OK.

547
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,520
It it was not.
It was not one of my favorites.

548
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,320
It wasn't.
And then the whole thing going

549
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,720
back to Lord John and and
William and Amaranthus and all

550
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,400
this other stuff, that whole
thing is messy.

551
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,360
But again, the whole thing, I'm
sitting here watching Percy come

552
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,520
in to talk to Lord John, to give
him what information about

553
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,240
Richardson.
We don't really need to know

554
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,440
about Richardson at this point.
Let Richardson have gone

555
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,880
somewhere and died and be done
with it.

556
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,360
OK, so you bring Percy back into
the story.

557
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,160
You have this little flirtation
thing with Lord John and Lord

558
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,640
John.
Oh, I forgot, Michelle, I had to

559
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,440
go.
But Lord John can't control his

560
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,160
hormones.
And I get it, you ain't had none

561
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,160
in a while.
And the last time you did it was

562
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,320
with Claire.
And it was that angry grief,

563
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,040
sex, whatever, whatever.
But still, you as a person who

564
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,800
has been hiding your sexuality
your entire life because you

565
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:30,480
know, for you it means death in
your time, for you to be so

566
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,440
careless when you know you have
William and Amaranthus in the

567
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,520
house.
House.

568
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,440
Both of them are pissed off at
you.

569
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,200
Yeah.
And you just in the drawing room

570
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,600
just kissing all nearly Willy
like.

571
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,240
And I was thinking, so I also
was thinking like, because I was

572
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,600
cussing at the TV and I was
like, John, what are you doing?

573
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,160
What are you doing?
But I was also trying to think

574
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,440
like, OK, he was.
He had been drinking.

575
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,360
It was clear he had been
drinking and so I feel like he

576
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,440
did let his guard down.
But I just don't like I the

577
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:11,280
thing about being LGBT in a
situation where you're you're

578
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:18,480
not out is that you don't just
do things that is going to just

579
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,440
get you caught.
You don't like, you're

580
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:26,320
constantly, constantly vigilant
about who knows who you're doing

581
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,960
stuff in front of.
You know where you're doing

582
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,080
stuff and and the thing and just
so anybody, anybody else you

583
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,120
know, I have experience.
I know what I'm talking about,

584
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,760
but you constantly have, unless
you're trying to rebel and

585
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,920
trying to like be out without
being out, you're not doing

586
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,920
stupid shit like that.
Like that is not a thing you're

587
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,520
doing.
Like there's no getting caught

588
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,520
because you're so ashamed and
afraid of what's going on based

589
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,600
on, you know, your situation
when you're in the closet that

590
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,199
way you're not trying to get
caught.

591
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:56,679
There's no getting caught.
I don't care.

592
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,360
I don't think there's been a
time where I just was out doing

593
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,440
stuff, you know, in a way where
I, me and my family would know

594
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,840
or any of those things back in
the day.

595
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,600
And when I when I I wasn't like,
you know, and to me, like the

596
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,760
first thing I would have done
was take, if I was going to do

597
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,920
something was taking him to
another room closed and locked

598
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,800
hide.
I would have I would have

599
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,320
there's no way I would have just
been in my living room like that

600
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,400
just made me so I was yelling, I
was screaming.

601
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Oh, me too.
Me too, I think if if we had

602
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,560
watched that episode together
like we originally planned that

603
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,720
that reaction video would have
been just us yelling at the TV

604
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,200
the entire.
Hour the whole episode.

605
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:42,840
The whole episode, because I was
like, this is late 1700s, yeah,

606
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,280
there's no way they hung people.
Yeah.

607
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:52,360
For being homosexuals in that
time, that's one of the reasons

608
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,920
why he is so careful.
Yeah.

609
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,120
About what he does.
And so the fact that he was just

610
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,120
like that in his house.
Yeah.

611
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,320
I I get it.
This is somebody that you were

612
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,800
in love with.
And you probably, you know, we

613
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,440
all have that one person who
gonna make us not think straight

614
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,880
if they're standing in front of
us.

615
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,800
I get it.
But you have too much to lose.

616
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,360
Yeah.
Especially not only with your

617
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,880
family, with your son.
You're fucking military officer.

618
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:31,280
Yeah, and the British Army?
Yep, they will literally hang

619
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,680
you from the gallows for that.
They will, and it's wartime, so

620
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,120
they really ain't got no qualms
with messing you.

621
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,680
You haven't even getting a
trial.

622
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,800
Shall please no.
I was so mad that he did that.

623
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,040
And then of course, here comes
William.

624
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,360
You trying to play it off?
Oh, and Lord John, you are smart

625
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:53,840
man.
Oh, we're we're just talking

626
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,840
business.
Your son just caught you with

627
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600
your mouth in this man.
Locking lips, baby,

628
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,080
wholeheartedly locking lips.
And yes, William was out of

629
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,760
pocket.
But again, this is late 1700s.

630
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,600
This is the way he's going to
react because again, this is you

631
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,560
have been brought up to think
that this is wrong.

632
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,880
It's a crime against God, it's a
crime against your king, blah,

633
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,760
blah, blah, blah, blah.
So he had the reaction he was

634
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,520
supposed to have, right?
Yeah.

635
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Not only that, here is yet
another secret that has been

636
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,920
kept from you.
So not only are you not my

637
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,240
father, but you are also, you
were never into my mom because

638
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:38,440
you are clearly like he just I,
I can imagine, like he gets on

639
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,000
my nerves because he is kind of
a petulant child, but I can

640
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,200
imagine the things that just
went through his mind.

641
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,600
Like, so basically, you didn't
even really want to be with my

642
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,240
mom.
You just or my auntie or

643
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,920
whoever.
Yeah, my auntie.

644
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,360
Was it an auntie?
Yeah, it was an auntie.

645
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,720
Yeah.
You didn't even want to be with

646
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:54,800
her, so you didn't even love
her.

647
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,200
Like, why?
Why'd you marry her?

648
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,440
Like I could just see like all
the things that was like in his

649
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,040
brain right then.
And that's the thing, like when

650
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,400
Lord John, when he went off on
him and I was like, oh, finally,

651
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,200
Lord John, OK, you're showing.
You're showing some substance

652
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,120
because you like you look angry.
Yeah.

653
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,080
I get it.
Yes.

654
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,760
We have done a lot for you.
We have sacrificed a lot for

655
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,600
you.
Because again.

656
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,080
Yeah.
Lord John, he married Isabel so

657
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,240
that he could be William's
father.

658
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,200
That means that he had to stay
faithful within that marriage

659
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,600
because we know the type of
person Lord John is.

660
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,520
Unless he and Isabel had some
kind of agreements that.

661
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,560
OK, well, I am really into you.
You can go do the kind of like

662
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,880
Franken and and Claire did, you
know, OK, we're not together.

663
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,320
But if you going to do your
thing, you need to be discreet.

664
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,200
OK.
And if they had that, then

665
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,400
that's fine.
But again, this is not something

666
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,840
William knows.
And it's not a conversation that

667
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,560
you've had with William.
So of course he's going to act

668
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,400
out and call you names because
again, here it is in a day full

669
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,280
of lies.
Here comes another lie on top of

670
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,160
everything else, because he does
come back from from his whole

671
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,640
ordeal with Ben.
He does confront Amaranthus and

672
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,640
Amaranthus also confesses to
Lord John.

673
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,160
And it's just that whole
situation is messy.

674
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,800
Like, I get Amaranthus, I get
her motive because again, like

675
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,480
she said, you ain't never been
hungry.

676
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,760
I have.
And I would do whatever it takes

677
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,720
to make sure my son doesn't go
through that.

678
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,320
OK, I get it.
I have no problems with that.

679
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:43,720
But coming from William, from
his perspective, here's another

680
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:54,800
person who basically used him,
lied to him, you know, and then

681
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,640
on top of that, you find out
about your dad and dad is trying

682
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,640
to play it off by what, another
lie.

683
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,640
Oh, he's just here.
We were discussing business.

684
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,080
If you really, if you really
wanted to throw him off, you

685
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,720
could have said this is the man
who's been tracking down

686
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,440
Richardson.
William might have stopped then

687
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,320
and thought about something he
might have been like.

688
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,080
OK, we'll handle this later.
Where the fuck is this man at?

689
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:27,280
It might have curtailed that,
but instead you're you're so

690
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,400
like up in arms because oh, my
son just caught this and now

691
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,480
you're trying to you're trying
to play it off.

692
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:35,840
We miss tired of y'all lying to
him just.

693
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,280
Stop lying to him.
Yeah, it's just and and you

694
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,040
know, in in that regard, to be
honest in that regard, that

695
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,200
ain't none of Williams business.
But him being careless and being

696
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,640
out in the open is what is the
where the real problem really

697
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,440
lies because there ain't none of
his business who is daddy's

698
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,800
living with.
That's his daddy business.

699
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,760
That's true like.
It's just the fact that he just

700
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,440
was kissed so careless.
I just felt I was so angry and

701
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,080
like, but like, I guess the
thing about William that is so

702
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,720
bothersome is because we know,
because we know the whole back

703
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:11,560
story and we know that nobody
meant William harm.

704
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,440
And it's, I get it from his
perspective, he doesn't see it

705
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,120
that way, but obviously we do.
So it's hard for us to be like,

706
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Oh my God, here you go whining
again.

707
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,800
But I, I do, I do agree that he
had every right to be angry at

708
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,800
everybody but that.
And I also agree that Emirates,

709
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,640
I get where Emirates was coming
from.

710
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,600
I just wish she had not tried to
play William.

711
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,320
She thought William.
She thought William was like,

712
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,960
like she said maybe she didn't
think he would.

713
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:44,240
She didn't know if he was a
coward, but she was like, oh,

714
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,560
this is somebody I'll be able to
easily manipulate.

715
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,280
That's a liberal that he's not
trying to go back to war, right?

716
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,440
You know?
Right.

717
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,840
Because I I totally get where
she's coming from.

718
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:58,080
You know, if everybody found out
that Ben was a traitor and all

719
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,480
that, her life would have been
met.

720
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,680
Her life would have been messed
up.

721
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,760
Her kid forever would have been
messed up.

722
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,280
Yeah, I mean you.
See what happened with Marshall

723
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,000
and Fergus just for printing
some of the the Patriot stuff,

724
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,960
because again, Fergus as a
printer, he prints for both

725
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,760
sides and was also getting
threats from both sides.

726
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Yeah, so so I I totally
understand why Amaranthus did

727
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,440
what she did, but.
It's still lies just to get

728
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,240
lies.
Speaking of him being a printer.

729
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:35,960
So one of the things I was going
to bring up when I was with

730
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,760
Jamie was reminiscing at the end
and going through Fergus's life

731
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,760
with him.
And of course, I was in tears.

732
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,160
I was just thinking like, I just
wonder how much Jamie feels

733
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:54,640
blame because he taught Fergus
this trade and he taught him in

734
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,240
the way of like doing the
seditious papers.

735
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:00,680
And he taught him all these
things.

736
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,800
And it was something that, you
know, he followed in his

737
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,520
footsteps because he was his
father, you know?

738
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,680
And I just wonder how much of
that is Jamie going to hold on

739
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,240
to because like when?
He warned him about it last time

740
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:15,000
he was there.
He.

741
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,320
Did and it's just like, is Jamie
going to like feel that?

742
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,760
I kind of feel like when was
Fanny when Fanny took brought

743
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,040
him to the little spot like he
did for her?

744
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,000
I was kind of hoping that that
maybe help ease that.

745
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,360
So maybe they don't go into
that, but you know, they love

746
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,280
making people carry guilt, you
know, on that on.

747
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:47,120
Yeah, yeah, I mean it.
I'm so mad that they killed

748
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,440
Fergus.
And then it's like.

749
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,120
I broke my heart.
But I like the way that they did

750
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,760
it, like Jamie knew something
was wrong.

751
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,120
Jamie was like, I don't know
what it is, but I feel like

752
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,040
something's wrong.
And then the way that Marsley

753
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,920
came in and and she gets out the
thing and and she's got her

754
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,280
black dress on and they looking
at her like what?

755
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,760
And and it's like you see them
scanning for Fergus and he's not

756
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,920
there.
Girl, when I tell you, I was

757
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,360
like, I'm not going to get
through the rest of this

758
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,320
episode.
Then when he's sitting there and

759
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:28,360
he's building Fergus's coffin,
the the fact that first of all,

760
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,520
we already know what kind of
condition Fergus is in because

761
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,400
Marcela has already said it.
She was like, there's not even,

762
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,920
there's not even enough of him
left to hold.

763
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,000
It's just ashes and bones.
And then she probably brought

764
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,880
that with her because she said I
need to bury my husband.

765
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,200
I need to take him home.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

766
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,160
And then for for Jane.
Yeah, I do think Jamie will

767
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,400
probably have some guilt about
that because even though, yes,

768
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,800
Fergus was wrong, Fergus wanted
to, you know, support his his

769
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,600
family.
He wanted to provide for his

770
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,760
family and stuff.
Jamie, I feel like it's still

771
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,600
going to feel a little bit of
guilt about that because what

772
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,040
was the promise he made to
Fergus when he lost his hand?

773
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,960
He was like, I'll take care of
you for life.

774
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,720
So he's probably going to feel
like I should have just made him

775
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,440
stay on the Ridge and stay on
the Ridge.

776
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,800
But you know, but Fergus wasn't
doing good on and I under you

777
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,040
know, he had to let him go, let
him learn to thrive, let him

778
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,800
learn how to how to make it on
his own.

779
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,560
But he is going to feel a little
bit of guilt about that, you

780
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,000
know?
But oh, this, that just sucks

781
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,880
for me because as much as I like
seeing the relationship with

782
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,400
Marceline and Brianna and how
much they've built on that, I

783
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,440
don't think we saw enough of
Fergus and Marcely.

784
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,760
And like, like when Rodger was
sitting there on the couch and

785
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,600
he was like, I know you just
lost your brother.

786
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,400
I was like, it feels hard to
feel that way because you really

787
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:06,560
don't see Brianna and Fergus
one-on-one like that.

788
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,480
Like you see the build up
between her and Marcely as

789
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,560
sisters because again, Marsley
was Jamie's stepdaughter.

790
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:23,320
But it's but it's like that this
whole episode just I was like,

791
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,680
what the fuck am I watching?
Like again, acting superb.

792
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,960
The the emotional notes were
hitting the way they were

793
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:36,200
supposed to hit, but I just feel
like those were emotional notes

794
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,360
we did not need, especially this
late into like.

795
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,920
We were about to go to this
battle or whatever it is.

796
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,520
So people are going to die.
Somebody's going to die.

797
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,320
And whether it's Jamie, whether
it's whomever somebody's going

798
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,400
to have to die if.
Y'all kill Ian, we going to have

799
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,120
a.
Problem right?

800
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,520
Let me.
OK, because here's the thing.

801
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:07,120
And then now Marsley and her
family are back on the Ridge.

802
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,440
You know, Ian and Marsley were
kind of close.

803
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,920
How is Ian going to feel when he
comes back and sees that Fergus

804
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,640
is gone?
Him and Fergus grew up together.

805
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,040
Girl, they better not touch.
They better not touch weekend.

806
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,480
I girl, I would.
Especially with the fact that he

807
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,080
bringing that extra baby home.
Oh my God, I just.

808
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,480
They better not touch him.
I swear I'm.

809
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,720
Like Diana.
Diana said they could have if if

810
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,200
y'all weren't going to do it the
right way, if y'all were going

811
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,080
to chicken out, y'all could have
just let the the print shop burn

812
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,120
and been done with it.
It still would have made sense.

813
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,840
And it was a loss regardless.
That was a loss and they would

814
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,720
have had no choice but to go
back to the Ridge.

815
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:58,760
Right, because again, I know
that Marsley was considering,

816
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,240
you know, the, the, the, the
comps money or whatever, but

817
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,280
she's not going to do it because
she knows Fergus wouldn't want

818
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,840
her to do.
It and that's what I was like,

819
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,160
so annoyed about because I'm
like because I don't know if in

820
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,880
the book like, you know, it,
they end up using it or whatever

821
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,320
that ends up happening or
whatever.

822
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,520
Because again, Fergus is alive
in the books.

823
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,720
In the right but like my thing
is like why even bring that up

824
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:23,720
if y'all knew y'all was going to
kill him?

825
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:31,040
Like it's not good for anybody.
It's, it's the whole, it's the

826
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:37,520
whole Jon, Jon Snow is the real
Targaryen king with no payoff

827
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,560
type thing.
Like, OK, Fergus can be this

828
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,000
great man and he can have all
this stuff and these and then

829
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,560
you kill him.
Like what's the whole, what was

830
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,560
the whole point?
What what was the whole point?

831
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:57,640
I just yeah.
And then for Marcel to be like,

832
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,160
what am I going to do without
Fergus?

833
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:01,840
And she was like, yeah, I can
consider that.

834
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,880
I need to be able to take care
of my children, go home to the

835
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,960
Ridge, you know, your children
be taken care of.

836
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,160
But everybody could have gone.
Y'all could have burned the

837
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,960
print shop now.
And Fergus could have been like,

838
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,680
OK, you know what?
Y'all tried to burn me and my

839
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,000
kids now.
No, it's time to go home.

840
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,360
He could have gone back to the
Ridge.

841
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,080
They could have built him
another house.

842
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,360
Emma Marsley could have had all
the babies they wanted and, and

843
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,640
been done with the IT it they.
And I think this is something

844
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,680
that we discussed with with
Stranger Things too, because

845
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,080
we're so used to the fact that
there has to be a big death.

846
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:44,960
There has to be a big emotional
whatever that, you know, when,

847
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,960
when nobody died in Stranger
Things, we were like, this is

848
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,280
strange, but OK, I like it.
It still made sense.

849
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,320
Nobody had to die, even though,
you know, technically speaking,

850
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,400
we don't know whether or not 11
really did die or not.

851
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,680
But still, it's kind of like you
don't have to have the big

852
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,640
emotional death.
You don't have to kill people

853
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,480
off in order for the story to
make sense or to move forward.

854
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,640
They didn't have to kill Fergus
off.

855
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,640
I mean, understand if, if, if
you want to do a death, you

856
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,560
don't want it to be the baby.
So the the spider man MJ saved,

857
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,680
that was great.
But you didn't have to kill

858
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,000
Fergus.
No, you didn't.

859
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,840
You could have had him leaning
over trying to make sure his

860
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,920
kids were OK when that when that
roof fell over, he could have

861
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,760
toppled over.
Somebody could have called him.

862
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,400
Or he could have grabbed that
rope and and and caught himself

863
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,040
anything.
And then the way they did it was

864
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,400
also annoying.
It was like, why would you stop

865
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:51,000
to look for Marshall and smile
at her instead of getting off

866
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,440
the roof you knew was going to
collapse, which is the point of

867
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,880
why you tried to get your sons
off the roof.

868
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,560
Nobody's going to do that.
That's.

869
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,400
I'm sorry.
That was just that pause was so

870
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,640
ridiculous.
Yeah, yeah.

871
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,960
I I Fergus should have been
hauling ass and he would have

872
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,400
known to do that.
I think so because I mean think

873
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,720
about it.
This is not the first print shop

874
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:15,800
that Fergus has seen go up in
smoke.

875
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,520
And not only that, he's always
been a kid that knew how to

876
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,240
like, you know, maneuver, get in
and out, do things.

877
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,960
He was a pickpocket.
He's smart.

878
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,240
Like there's no way that Fergus
would have just stood there

879
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:32,400
smiling.
On a burning building?

880
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:38,880
No, especially when you knew how
fast that fire was spreading.

881
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,760
I mean, you literally got up on
the roof, saw your kids, turned

882
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,200
around and the stairwell was
already in smoke.

883
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,840
It just, it didn't make sense to
me.

884
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,640
It really didn't.
If it if it was a if you needed

885
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,640
to have a death it and it needed
to make sense, y'all could have

886
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,280
done something else.
Fergus did not have to die.

887
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,760
No.
If, if your whole point was

888
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,200
that, because again, you're
talking about Armory,

889
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:10,160
Christian's death wouldn't have
made sense for where y'all were

890
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,640
taking the show.
So it looks to me like the way

891
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,280
y'all are taking the show in the
eighth season, y'all are talking

892
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,200
about family, you're talking
about bringing people together.

893
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Here goes Marsley and the kids.
They're coming to the Ridge and

894
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,240
is about to bring his other son.
They're coming to the Ridge.

895
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,080
They got to start getting ready
to defend the Ridge.

896
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:37,280
You're you're, you're making the
whole final season about family.

897
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:42,680
And then you take away the one
member who has been with that

898
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,120
family the longest.
The.

899
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,040
Mercy business is.
Almost the beginning.

900
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,960
It makes no sense.
Yeah.

901
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,000
And that and we didn't need the
the pain or we didn't need the

902
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,160
depth of like the hurt, because
this whole show has been nothing

903
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,600
but death and pain and attacks
and and trauma.

904
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,520
Trauma like this is literally
the whole show.

905
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,040
So if they did just happen to
keep all their children intact

906
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,160
and gain some new children, why
was that a prop?

907
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,280
Like, why was that a problem?
We don't, you don't.

908
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,960
You didn't.
It didn't need to be.

909
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,200
It didn't, and honestly, and we
have enough.

910
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,160
Pain.
The show was about to end.

911
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,440
That's about pain.
It's.

912
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,480
Enough pain and like, even with
Lord John, do we really need to

913
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,200
out him to anybody?
I don't feel like that was

914
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,400
necessary.
And and that's the whole thing.

915
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,920
So, so the storyline that's
happening in the books with Lord

916
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:43,960
John, Lord John is actually
again, because, because the

917
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:52,640
whole thing with Richardson and
with what may be Rob Cameron,

918
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,960
because again, we don't know the
full extent of what Rob Cameron

919
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,680
can do or what he knows or why
he's targeting them and all that

920
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,640
other stuff.
But it has to do something with

921
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,960
the political climate there.
I think they're trying to get

922
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:13,840
how how Gray or how Lord,
whatever Lord John's brother,

923
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:19,920
he's trying to stop the war.
He's over in Parliament, in the

924
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,240
books, trying to appeal to them
like, hey, we are losing this

925
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:28,320
war and we probably need to go
ahead and give it up if they

926
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,520
want.
If, if, if the colonies want to

927
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,200
be separate, just let it go
because politically it's not

928
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,040
making sense anymore.
We are losing too much.

929
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:42,080
We are losing ground.
And Richardson and his people

930
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,360
are trying to.
I think they're trying to keep

931
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,880
the war going and I know that
has something also something to

932
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,520
do with slavery and they're like
they're trying to make sure the

933
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,840
slavery is abolished.
I think if I remember correctly,

934
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,120
I don't remember, but there's
some political stuff going on.

935
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:10,080
So Lord John in the books gets
kidnapped because of he's being

936
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,040
blackmailed because of his
sexual orientation.

937
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,360
So at the end of the ninth book,
Percy comes to tell William,

938
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,080
hey, your dad has been
kidnapped, we need to find him.

939
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,600
And Percy's like, actually
trying to help William.

940
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,480
And then Percy dies.
He accidentally drinks some

941
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,880
poison that was meant for
somebody else.

942
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,960
And so William the at the end of
the book, William is leaving to

943
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,640
go to the Ridge to ask Jamie for
help in finding Lord John.

944
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,240
OK.
So if you were doing all of that

945
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:47,920
stuff, the whole outing thing
would probably be necessary.

946
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,720
The way that they did it in the
show, it makes no sense.

947
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:54,160
Like what more drama between him
and William that they didn't

948
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,320
need?
No, because William has enough

949
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,480
turmoil going on in his life.
Why did he need that extra?

950
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,360
And then if for whatever reason,
again, we only have three

951
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,480
episodes left, so somewhere
between now and then, he needs

952
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,320
to figure out a way to reconcile
with Jamie.

953
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:19,800
OK, if he goes to the Ridge, if
he meets with Jamie or if he

954
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,600
goes to make sure that Brianna
is OK?

955
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,400
Because I also don't like the
fact that Brianna left and came

956
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,920
to the Ridge and we didn't see
anything else with her and

957
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,800
William.
I don't like that because again,

958
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,120
she and William get kind of
close in the books.

959
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:40,600
So if he comes to the Ridge have
for something to do with Jamie

960
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,560
or something to do with Brianna,
or he hears something about, oh,

961
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,880
there's about to be war in the
Backcountry.

962
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,840
Oh, my sister is there.
Let me.

963
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:54,600
However he gets to the Ridge,
how is he going to react once he

964
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,280
finds out that Fanny is his
niece?

965
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:02,360
Jane was his niece and
regardless if he didn't know it

966
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:08,400
at the time, that knowledge now
that oh here was something else

967
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,680
that was kept for me.
Which, OK, William wouldn't have

968
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,320
any reason to know that he had
another sister at this point

969
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,440
because if they think that
sister is dead and him and Jamie

970
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,960
don't even talk, what would be
the point of revealing that

971
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:27,440
information to him?
That's why like when he left

972
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,520
Lord John.
I don't know.

973
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,720
I'm like OK, where?
Is he headed like?

974
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,280
Where is he going 'cause
everybody's headed.

975
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,800
They're they're pulling
everybody to the Ridge.

976
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,360
So where is William headed now?
They not to the Ridge, 'cause

977
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,440
he's talking about I have no
father.

978
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,080
I know, but you know, this is,
this is.

979
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,960
William, he's he's up and he's
down.

980
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,800
He's high and he cold.
He's Katy Perry right now.

981
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,360
We don't know where that boy
going to end up doing and I just

982
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,640
feel like something.
I feel like he's.

983
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,400
I feel because now.
That you said that was a part of

984
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,440
the storyline where they he went
to Jamie for help.

985
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,320
I'm starting to wonder like if
they're trying to do something

986
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,160
to get him to the Ridge,
something to get him to Jamie

987
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,240
and then Brianna and Brianna,
you know, and maybe that's what

988
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,920
they're trying to do.
But I just can't imagine like

989
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,080
them at this late in the in the
season kidnapping Laura John or

990
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,720
doing something at this point.
So I don't know.

991
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,920
But then again, if if they do
that.

992
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,480
If William somehow ends up on
the Ridge and then now you got

993
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,920
in on the Ridge, him and Rachel
coming back, you got Brianna on

994
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,600
the Ridge and all the stuff.
The thing that makes me mad is

995
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:42,720
it's like what you're saying
about the Fraser family is all

996
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,880
about blood because now Fergus
is not there.

997
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,600
And again, Fergus has been with
them the longest.

998
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,240
Yeah.
He has been their child the

999
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:54,920
longest.
Longer than Brianna.

1000
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,080
Yeah.
Because Brianna wasn't even

1001
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,120
conceived when they were already
taking care of Fergus.

1002
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,400
Yeah, You, you get what I'm
saying?

1003
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,880
And so.
Now.

1004
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,360
He's gone.
You got Brianna.

1005
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,000
And yeah, technically speaking,
you got Marshall up there.

1006
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,760
But Marshall is also your child.
By marriage.

1007
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,320
By marriage.
Yeah.

1008
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:17,200
You.
You're.

1009
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,480
Going to have Ian and his.
Family.

1010
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:24,120
You're going to have, you know,
if William ends up coming, it

1011
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:29,800
just, it feels so wrong and so
out of place because Jamie's

1012
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,680
going to have all his family
except for the one that stuck by

1013
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,560
him the most.
I have a problem with that.

1014
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,400
I have a real big problem with
that.

1015
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,480
Yeah.
That's going to be one of those

1016
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,120
things that the book.
Readers are going to go ham over

1017
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:48,800
that.
We're going to have to be like,

1018
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,600
well, yeah, get it to
yourselves, writers.

1019
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,920
And and that's what that's what
a lot of the discourse.

1020
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,600
I've seen online people are
like, well, you know, especially

1021
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,600
the book readers, they're like,
well, we got Diana's word so we

1022
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,120
already know this.
This ain't the real story.

1023
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,680
So we don't know what y'all
doing over here, OK?

1024
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,920
Hey, that's the show.
But Fergus is not dead to us.

1025
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,960
He's not you know he's alive and
well in the books and he gonna

1026
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,440
stay alive and well cuz the fuck
no.

1027
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,480
Yeah, but the good thing about
the.

1028
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,760
Rest of the season.
Is Diana Gabaldon wrote episode

1029
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:31,760
9 and she I think she consulted
on episode 10, so she has

1030
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,200
something to do with episode 10.
She has made it very clear in

1031
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,040
all the interviews she had
nothing to do with this episode

1032
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,160
period.
And you can tell.

1033
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,600
You can tell because each even
she said.

1034
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,760
What was the whole point in
having William find out about

1035
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,040
Lord John in that way?
No, that's a shock value.

1036
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,320
Oh.
Just for, just for shock value.

1037
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,480
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, just for shock value

1038
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,600
because who does that help?
Nobody.

1039
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,600
And.
Then like is.

1040
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,080
It really that y'all?
Want William to be this

1041
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,560
long-suffering character on the
show.

1042
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,720
Like I get it, he's Jamie's son,
Jamie has gone through the

1043
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,120
shits, but the whole point in
him not being around William,

1044
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,880
the whole point in him not
claiming William as his son was

1045
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,360
so that William can have a
better life than he did.

1046
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,920
And you?
Don't really see evidence of

1047
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,240
that better.
Life for William, since we've

1048
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:39,560
been introducing to him, tragedy
upon tragedy, upon this, upon

1049
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,120
that, It's just, it makes no
again.

1050
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:46,480
It makes no sense.
Like, yeah, I get it.

1051
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,640
This is supposed to be a
dramatic series.

1052
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,160
We don't need that much fucking
drama.

1053
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,000
Yeah, Yeah.
That's.

1054
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,240
And I'm sorry, we can't.
We can't.

1055
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:04,360
Expect William to become a
mature, emotionally well

1056
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,440
balanced young man when he keeps
having to deal with all this

1057
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,680
shit.
Yeah, he's.

1058
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,560
Definitely not going to mature
especially.

1059
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,120
When you didn't bring him up to
deal with.

1060
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,920
All of this stuff, yeah, you
probably live with a silver.

1061
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,560
Spoon in his mouth.
To be, oh, I'm the 9th Earl of

1062
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,680
Ells mirror.
I have these properties.

1063
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,840
I'm going to do my, my time in
the service and then I'm going

1064
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,640
to go home and I'm going to do
whatever.

1065
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,080
I'm going to find an
advantageous marriage and blah

1066
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,840
blah blah blah blah.
You didn't prepare with y'all.

1067
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,360
Didn't prepare William.
For the real, for the real

1068
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:46,520
world, and unfortunately.
Those lessons have been hard.

1069
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:51,840
For him to learn and the hits
keep coming, how are we supposed

1070
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,840
to expect?
Him to be a a A.

1071
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,440
Happy, well adjusted person.
I think the only good thing that

1072
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,120
has come out of all of this for
him is the fact that he has a

1073
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:05,080
sister that he actually likes.
Yeah, who knows him, what he's

1074
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,720
been through.
And understands where he's

1075
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:13,880
coming from.
But yeah, this this episode made

1076
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,160
me so.
Mad I I literally like like I

1077
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,520
said it was emotional.
I cried because Fergus has been

1078
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,360
one of my favorite characters
from season 2 from when Roman

1079
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,080
was playing him.
I mean from the cute curly

1080
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,960
headed little boy to the to the
great adult like.

1081
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,920
He's one of the best characters.
On the show and for you to.

1082
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,760
Also have him.
Gone for a whole season just to

1083
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,400
bring him back, just to kill
him.

1084
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,920
Just to kill him.
So that's, yeah, like that's the

1085
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,400
other thing.
Like they just didn't give them

1086
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,520
any time.
No, just no.

1087
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,720
Time and Ferguson, Marseille
are.

1088
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,360
Fan favorites.
Like if y'all were going to do

1089
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,320
some fan service, y'all could
have done that.

1090
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:04,720
Y'all could have let Fergus
live.

1091
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,640
Y'all could have let them go to
the Ridge, let them run free,

1092
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,800
let let the kids play with all
the other kids that's on the

1093
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:16,680
Ridge.
They I'm mad.

1094
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:21,160
I'm mad, that's why it.
Was before, before we started

1095
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,160
recording.
Now we were supposed to record

1096
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,200
an hour before.
Dana had not had a chance to

1097
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,560
watch the full episode yet.
And she was like, I'm watching

1098
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,960
it on my phone so we can talk
about it as we go.

1099
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,440
I said no, you have to watch the
episode because I need your

1100
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,280
genuine reaction.
And she was like, no, I should

1101
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:38,840
be OK.
I don't.

1102
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,680
You don't mind spoilers?
No.

1103
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:47,160
Bitch, I need you to go.
Watch this show I need your full

1104
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,480
attention.
I need your full attention and.

1105
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,280
She sent me 5.
Voice notes while she was

1106
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,880
watching this episode and I was
like, see?

1107
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,880
That's why you need.
To fully watch it before we

1108
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:03,080
start talking about it because I
needed you to understand what I

1109
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,080
was about to do.
Because like I said, I had

1110
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,800
thoughts.
I realized the first probably 20

1111
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,760
minutes of this recording is
nothing but me ranting.

1112
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,240
I'm so sorry if y'all got to
hear my voice but Oh my God I

1113
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:20,680
had like.
It was just too much.

1114
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:26,040
It was just too much.
Yeah, I was so pissed.

1115
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,520
And I was like, oh, I cannot
wait for us to talk about this

1116
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,880
episode.
We need to do it quickly because

1117
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:43,080
what did I just watch?
All I have to say is we.

1118
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,640
Have three episodes left for the
entire show.

1119
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,440
I need the writers to.
Get it right episode #9.

1120
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,880
I'm not worried about the OG
wrote it.

1121
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,240
I'm I'm not worried about
episode 9.

1122
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:02,480
I'm not worried about episode 10
much because yes, she has

1123
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,320
something to do with it.
But again, she has always been

1124
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,960
very good about the show.
Was the show the books of the

1125
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,280
books?
You know, she was like because

1126
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,040
somebody asked her on her
Facebook page.

1127
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,240
They were like, is Faith alive
in the book?

1128
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:22,320
She was like, no, no.
It doesn't even make sense.

1129
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,880
Anyway, we I'm not going to keep
beating a dead horse.

1130
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,040
I need them to get their shit
together.

1131
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:33,120
I don't need any more surprises.
Y'all have done your big death.

1132
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,720
We don't need no more.
We don't need no more of our

1133
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,480
people dying before the end of
this this show.

1134
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,200
It's not necessary.
We don't need the shock value.

1135
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,160
We don't need the emotional.
You know it.

1136
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,480
We're already emotional.
The show was about to end.

1137
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,680
We're good, just so they know.
They said 28 people.

1138
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,560
Die.
In this upcoming skirmish, and

1139
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:01,400
one in the 28 better not be
nobody from the phrase family.

1140
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,200
That's all I got to say, Damon
says.

1141
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:05,640
He's supposed to be one of them,
but.

1142
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,160
If y'all want to talk about
this, oh, oh, we brought a baby

1143
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:13,800
back from the dead hours after
she was still born, then yeah,

1144
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,760
Claire better do some healing
because no, we we're not finna.

1145
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,000
We are not about to end this
show with the death of that

1146
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,320
Jamie Frazier.
I know Michelle has been

1147
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,480
fighting for her notebook.
Notebook.

1148
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:31,840
We don't need no. 20 years,
another 20 years and then they

1149
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,960
can have their they can skip
forward another 20 years, they

1150
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:38,440
can have their notebook, they
can, it can be but see them die,

1151
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,880
they can be on the.
Ridge with their family and

1152
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,160
that's all I need to see.
They can, they can.

1153
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,720
They can cut it out there.
I don't need to see them die.

1154
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,240
I feel like Fergus died.
That's all.

1155
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,400
That's all the death I need this
season.

1156
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,560
Oh, that makes me so mad.
Just think about it.

1157
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,840
I had to eat some chocolate to
get my serotonin back up.

1158
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,440
Girl, I was so down.
Girl.

1159
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,120
I was like, oh this is bad.
I was too mad.

1160
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,240
I was too mad but OK, I think
I'm.

1161
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,280
I think I'm OK now I've.
I've gotten WOOSA, I won't say

1162
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,000
I've gotten all my anger.
Out because.

1163
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,760
I think if I watch this episode
again at any time, I'm going to

1164
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,760
be pissed.
I'm going to be pissed when I

1165
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,800
think about it.
And of course, you know, the

1166
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:27,840
cast members have been posting
their tributes to Cesar and Tiff

1167
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,960
Ferguson.
I'm just like, what?

1168
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:36,800
I can't.
No, I don't like it.

1169
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:45,200
I don't like it anyway.
In that, do we have any other

1170
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:50,560
things we want to say about this
atrocious episode?

1171
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:56,520
I mean I.
It's just they.

1172
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,399
They could have.
They could have did something

1173
01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:00,920
else.
They they could think I would

1174
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,200
say that I actually.
Like was the fact that they

1175
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,680
finally got to like get Emery
this to give her truth because I

1176
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:13,880
didn't trust her and with for
good reason, but at least her

1177
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,600
reason.
Honestly, I can't even lie.

1178
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,399
I ain't mad at her because when
she told Laura John, what would

1179
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:20,880
you do?
I I ain't nothing.

1180
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,120
I wouldn't do so much.
What would you do with this son

1181
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:27,399
was at home.
I was like real right there.

1182
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:30,240
Like I would sell whatever.
I would do whatever to make sure

1183
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,720
my kid is not hungry.
And I was just like, OK girl,

1184
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,439
because at first I thought it
was some other scheme, but I'm

1185
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,160
sorry children, your love of
your child, I'm sorry.

1186
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,200
And she was like, I tried to
talk.

1187
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,279
I tried to talk him out of
rebellion.

1188
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,560
I tried to talk him out of it
and William was like, he still

1189
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,120
cares for you.
She was like not not enough, not

1190
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,000
enough, not enough.
For you to turn your coat when

1191
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,040
you got a child.
Here, Yeah.

1192
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,080
You going to bring scandal on
mine?

1193
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,840
And I mean, it's it's almost
similar to the women on the

1194
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,680
Ridge with their husbands doing
what they did to Jamie.

1195
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,320
They're like, so you going to
make a stupid decision and cause

1196
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,920
us to be straight?
Absolutely not.

1197
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,320
Absolutely not.
So yeah, I don't.

1198
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:14,800
I don't.
Blame her at all.

1199
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:21,440
Yeah, I just, again, I just wish
her plan didn't come at Williams

1200
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,320
expense, because now he's doubly
hurt.

1201
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:28,800
Yeah, because now he's been
betrayed by you and by his

1202
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,600
cousin.
His favorite cousin?

1203
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,000
So again, William has been
through.

1204
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,280
Enough y'all leave him alone.
Let this man find some happiness

1205
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,800
within the next three episodes.
That's all I got to say, OK.

1206
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,080
That's not happening, but.
That's all I got to say.

1207
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,720
You got any?
Final thoughts about this?

1208
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,400
Episode No ma'am, I'm clear.
All heart to mind.

1209
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,840
Clear.
I ain't going angry.

1210
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:58,920
Angry.
There we go.

1211
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,360
I was going to say.
I I'm not going to say I'm.

1212
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,920
Clear.
I'm angry but I think I've

1213
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,120
gotten the majority of my
feelings out.

1214
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:15,880
So 3 episodes left.
And then we'll figure out where

1215
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,560
we're going from there.
But.

1216
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,880
Now that's it for our show.
You can find us online at.

1217
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:26,880
Www.phantomhybrid.com We are on
social media, on all the social

1218
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,280
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1219
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,720
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1220
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,280
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1221
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,880
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1222
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,080
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