Outlander (Season 8 Episode 9) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #407

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Dina.
And we are talking about the

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penultimate, not season,
episode, series episode of

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Outlander that I I don't like
saying that.

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I just got goosebumps saying
that it's almost the end and I'm

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not ready.
No, no, because I want more.

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And then especially since she
has more books, there's more

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material out there, you know,
coming.

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So it makes me sad.
But like, you know, we talked

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about that before.
Like you said, they can't hold

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the actors hostage forever.
It ain't like that in.

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The day, some soap.
Forever, you know.

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But still, it's like I'm not
ready.

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But this is where we are.
We got one episode after this

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one.
Let's get into it.

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I will say this, I think I
missed the Juju and Michelle.

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I had been seeing some things
online and I've been trying to

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stay away 'cause I didn't get a
chance to watch this until

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Sunday.
So I had started seeing things.

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And you know how some of the,
some of the actors have been

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doing like the goodbyes to their
characters after their

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characters.
And so I saw one on Lord John

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Grant.
I was like, if y'all tell me he

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dies in this episode, I'm going
to be mad.

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And then at the beginning of the
episode, you know, they have the

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like the trigger warnings at the
beginning and this says suicide.

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I said hold up.
I said if y'all do anything to

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Lord John Gray, I'm a riot.
But then I had to remind myself,

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Diana Galbadon wrote this
episode.

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She ain't killing Lord John.
Right I was.

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Like, OK, all right, OK, I can
calm down now, But let's get

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into Lord John Gray, because
episode starts out with his

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little dilemma, which we saw at
the end of the episode.

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He got kidnapped.
Yeah.

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I, Captain Richardson.
So we start the episode off

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Captain Richardson comes in and
basically he's like, yeah, your

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brother's about to do some stuff
that I need him to not do.

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So in order to get him to not do
those things, we're going to

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blackmail him.
And how are we going to do that?

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Well, we're going to put all the
floor John's business out in the

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London papers.
He's got streets.

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He's gotten one of Lord John's
old lovers, which we still don't

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know how he found this person.
He got a confession.

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And I've.
I, I paused the TV screen just

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to see if I could read what the
confession was.

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Oh, yeah, That dude was laying
it out.

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He was like sodomy, buggery,
fellatio, blah, blah, blah.

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I was like, oh, you.
What did they threaten you with?

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Because you all the details.
Percy I, I feel, I wonder if it

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was because Percy knew things
and then, you know, he was

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because he's a sucker.
And so maybe he told him.

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There's a possibility it could
be this guy or that, you know,

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or this person maybe, and then
he went and tortured him or

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whatever.
Kind of makes you wonder like so

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we learned some things about
Percy in this episode.

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One, that he still loves Lord
John, obviously, but two, it's

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kind of like, were you keeping
track of him this?

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Whole time.
Because if you remember from

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earlier episodes, when Lord John
was telling Claire about Percy,

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he was like, yeah, we used to
be, you know, he was my

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stepbrother.
Our parents used to be married.

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He had to fake his death or he
helped him fake his death for

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something.
I don't even remember what it

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was.
But obviously Percy is is kind

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of unscrupulous.
I mean, we see that even in this

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episode.
And he's also a bit of a coward.

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He's a bit of a punk, a cold.
Coward.

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So I don't know it, it kind of
makes you wonder, like, what did

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Richardson have on these people
to make them say, OK, yeah, I'm

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going to give you a full
confession.

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And of course, the one from
Percy is more damning because of

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the fact that they were legally
step brothers, step brothers at

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the time of all this stuff.
And it's just kind of like you,

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you want to be mad at Lord John,
but at the same time, when they

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were step brothers, they were
young, they were teenagers.

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Teenagers do stupid things.
We all know that.

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We've been there.
We've done stupid things for.

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Sure.
We're to come back and bite him

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in the butt so many years later.
Yeah.

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And for Percy to be like, I'm
not brave, John, you were always

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brave, but I'm not Why?
Is it always the the the ones

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that's cowards and wimps out
here doing the most dirt and and

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keeping up the most drama and
and messing with folks?

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And then when it's time that
before they come up and oh, they

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whining and begging and pleading
and help me.

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No, you didn't help me.
You could have been you could

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have helped me and you chose to
give me up and now you please

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forgive me.
I don't think so.

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Right.
Because let's be honest, if

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Richardson is to come to Percy
and say, OK, so I heard you had

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a relationship with Laura, John
Percy could have said no.

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I mean, how is Richardson going
to prove otherwise?

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Was he there?
Didn't.

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I mean, come on, right?
How, how is it that you like?

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I still don't get how he was
able to have that kind of power

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over Percy, because unless Percy
got caught with somebody else.

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I mean, the question came up
because, oh, you are, you know,

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associated with him.
But then again, here comes the

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question again.
Percy is supposed to be dead to

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anybody who knew Percy Wayne,
right?

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Right, right.
Yeah.

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And I feel like the only reason
why he signed his letter that

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way to how saying, hey, if you
don't do all of this, it this

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this information is going to the
papers is because how would know

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who he was like, truly, right.
You know.

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So it's kind of like, OK, yeah,
you thought I was dead, but I'm

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here and this is what I know.
If anybody knows anything about

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Lord John from those times, it
would be Percy.

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But still, it's kind of like,
how did you get into

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Richardson's clutches that he
knew that this was something he

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could blackmail you with?
I do wonder with 'cause I don't

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know, you know, with us finding
out later about Richardson,

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Richardson and, and who he
really is and all that.

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Later I did wonder if there was
something like a not a like a

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history book, but like some sort
of, you know, how they have like

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certain things where they
speculate what was going on in a

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certain time with certain Lords
and nobles and then so from the

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future or whatever.
And maybe he's, he found some

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because, you know, he's, he's
clearly been studying and, and,

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you know, researching like all
these people of the time and

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who's connected to whom and
without one giving a speech has

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got to be documented somewhere.
And then he has his brother and

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then this and this and this.
So I, I did wonder about that

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once I, you know, got the
confirmation, 'cause I had

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forgotten.
We talked about Richardson.

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Yeah, before and, and I forgot
about that.

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So then when I was like, Oh
yeah, we talked about that.

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He is OK.
And I was like, well, maybe he

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just had some information from
the future that was just not

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specifically it a truth or a
historical document, maybe just

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rumors that were written down
some kind of way, some journals,

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something.
I don't know that.

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You know what that could that
that would make sense,

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especially if there was what was
it that he told Claire that he

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he has identified key players,
right as far as who could

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possibly turn the tide of
history.

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So if he was looking at the Gray
family, if he was looking at how

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if he looked into even like
their parents, he would have

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seen that they had a
stepbrother, He probably and

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Percy probably wouldn't have
been anything on his his radar,

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except for the fact that he has
come into contact with Percy

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here because Percy was the aid
to the Marquis de Lafayette,

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right?
So it it, yeah, now that you say

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that, it could have been just
that Percy was in the wrong

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place at the wrong.
And then with John, the other

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thing about John is it is kind
of fishy for that time period

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that a Lord has this one son and
his and his wife and they didn't

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have no more kids.
And so The thing is, obviously

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there are obviously there's
infertility in it and whatnot.

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But like in those times, you
know, that's a big, huge thing

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for Lord to not have a ton of
airs if the, if possible, you

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know what I mean?
Like they would have tried to.

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So I, I, you know, so there
could have been rumors because

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they didn't have no more kids
that Lord John wasn't hitting

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it, you know what I mean?
Like also that.

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So I, I, I feel like there was
ways to figure these things out,

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but it's just sad that, you
know, that people just people's

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business just ain't never their
business.

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Even back in them days, it just
was never yeah, people live

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their life.
But yeah.

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Yeah.
But so, yeah.

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So anyway, in in the midst of
all this, Lord John being

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blackmailed and everything, and
Miranthus has apparently tracked

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down William, figured out where
he was or whatever.

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Maybe she sent the letter to
Mount Josiah.

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And whoever at Mount Josiah knew
where William was going, They

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they forwarded it.
But at this point, it's been

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almost two months, you know.
So Jamie, Claire and William,

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they come back to Savannah, they
try to figure out what's going

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on with Lord John.
And this is when they find out

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about the black male.
This is when they figure out

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that Percy is the one behind it
and they go to see Percy.

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Now I'm going to admit what
William apparently has been

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getting along with Jamie very
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He is red.
Jamie.

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So Jamie, he.
Was so Red Jamie's son.

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Like, listen, stop.
I was like, that's what I was

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talking about.
Right, Jamie, Jamie sitting

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there holding a person like
that's my boy.

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Because when I say William look
like he was going, he was ready

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to kill this dude.
Oh, yeah, I had to hit like I'm

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watching that neck.
Just got him by the neck.

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You going to give me this
information?

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What?
Right.

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Oh my God.
You going to tell me about my

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father, right?
Oh my God.

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I love this scene so much it.
It was good.

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And then of course them figuring
out.

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OK.
So I will admit when Laura John

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found the little pen and he kept
looking at it, I was not

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thinking he was going to spend
all that time carving up his

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carving up the word.
But I mean, he had time to do

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it.
Yeah, he just, you know.

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He gave them a very good clue
about where he was.

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But you know, again, Percy's
whole thing about, you know,

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Richardson, he's crazy.
And you know, if, if he finds

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out I told you, he's going to
kill me, I'm like, what do you

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think these two gentlemen are
going to do?

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Right, right here.
In your face.

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In your face.
Right now, that's the thing that

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we've always that we always say
when people are being confronted

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by the people that they've
wronged and they're working.

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They're they're the hench men
for someone else.

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Well, if he finds me, he's going
to kill me.

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You need to be more concerned
about the problem that's in

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front of you because there's two
of us right now who are ready to

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kill you and will do.
But that's.

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The thing, too, people like him
who know he's wrong, people know

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who the really good people are.
His assumption is that he gives

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a sob story.
These good gentlemen, these

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upstanding gentlemen ain't gonna
hurt me.

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But he just didn't know Williams
was seeing red, and it was time.

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And Jamie was like, Brad, look.
I don't know.

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Williams does.
Spent the last two months in the

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Ridge with his with his his
birth father went for war.

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Listen, we didn't ready to
fight.

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And he already a soldier, so
it's all it's like, come on man,

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right?
Right and and and I think his

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whole thing was OK.
I can be upset about my I can be

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upset with my daddy, I can be
mad with him, I can do whatever

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but y'all can't do nothing to
him.

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Yep, don't you mess with my.
Dad, don't you mess with him.

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And at this point, it's been
almost two months.

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Lord John could easily have been
dead.

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Oh yeah, Yeah.
You know.

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He definitely could have just
cooked like and then he was in,

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like you said, in that boathouse
for two months, just like on the

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ground.
Anything could have happened.

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He could have been bit by a rat.
It could have been anything

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could have happened.
Right, he could have been he

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could have been now malnourished
because if all you eating is

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fish it's.
Yeah, with nothing else and

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'cause it don't seem like they
were getting, you know, a ton of

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stuff.
They were, they were, you know,

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it was the bare minimum.
But but yeah, they they get in

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there and they they are able to
rescue John.

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And when they are trying to, you
know, they're trying to make

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sure that there are no other
guards and Jamie is going to get

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the boat to get them away from
there.

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Claire actually is the one
that's watching over Richardson

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because she was the one that was
watching him while Jamie and

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William went to rescue him.
Now we'll say this about the

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rescue them coming up out their
water.

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Listen, girl.
Oh my God.

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I was like, OK, whoever made the
decisions for how they were

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going to do this episode, bravo
because that one scene of them

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coming out the water and I
cannot think they were.

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They reminded me of something
else.

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And I can't remember what it
was, but I was like, anytime you

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have scenes where people just
kind of sliding out of the

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water.
Out of the water.

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Oh, you OK?
I'm thinking Twilight right now.

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Breaking Dawn.
Oh, OK.

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When Victoria's army coming out
of the water, that's what I'm

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immediately thinking of.
But anytime you see somebody

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doing that, you know some shit
is about to go down.

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Going down, I mean, they came
up.

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It's so funny because I was
watching this.

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I was like, what are they Navy
Seals?

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I found die because I was like
for real, for real.

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That that look very modern the
way they came about that one.

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Yeah, but the other thing too is
you saw in that moment William

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had no qualms about killing
anybody.

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Hey, you do what I do right?
Get my dad back, but you but but

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I will say, like the real
experienced killer, you know,

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Jamie, you know, he came with
the and William stabbing in the

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back.
I'm like, no, bro, you got to

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get him one fell swoop, because
what if that that stab in the

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back didn't work, you know, the
first time, but it was still

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good.
I was just, I was very impressed

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with the coming out of the
water.

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Yeah, and it's nice to see
William and and Jamie working

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together.
Yeah, after, after all of the

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drama they've gone through, to
see that they've kind of gotten

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to a place where they're like,
OK, whatever our differences

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are, whatever, we have one goal.
We're going to ask you, Lord

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John.
But in the midst of all that,

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when they're trying to make sure
that everything is clear,

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whatever Claire Registers are
having a conversation.

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And Richardson is basically
trying to explain to her his

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motivations for doing what he's
doing.

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And he starts asking her, well,
how do you feel about slavery?

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And she was like, slavery sucks.
And so he gives her the

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background that his great, great
grandmother was the child of a

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slave.
OK.

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And then he starts talking kind
of vaguely because he's like,

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you know, I don't expect you or
anyone else to understand.

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But if Britain is allowed to
withdraw from the war, if they

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let the colonies go, if they
say, OK, you know what?

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the US, they can have the
colonies.

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We're it, it, it's costing us
more than we're going to gain.

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We're going to leave out of it.
He was like, it's not really

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going to be a win for America
because Britain is about to sign

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their law saying, hey, slavery
is outlawed, we can't have any

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more slaves in Britain, blah,
blah, blah.

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Now, if Britain holds on to the
colonies, that also goes to the

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colonies.
But of course, we know what

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happens.
America breaks away from Britain

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and then slavery continues for
almost another 100 years.

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So Richardson is basically
trying to avoid that.

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He starts mentioning some things
about what's going to happen,

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and as Claire is listening to
him, she starts piercing

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together.
Oh, this dude is from the

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future.
Especially he says, you know,

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slavery is going to exist for at
least another 85 years, and so

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many hundreds, hundreds of
thousands of people are not

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going to be free.
And then, you know, he was like,

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he's going to lead to a war.
And she was like the Civil War.

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He was like, hey, what?
Now what did you what did you

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say?
And she?

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Was like, yeah, you're talking
about the Civil War, the North

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and the South and Gettysburg and
all this other Abraham Lincoln.

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He's looking at her like though.
Oh, you thought it was just you,

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Boo.
Right.

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And she was like, oh, you're a
time traveller.

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So then they have a
conversation.

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She was like, well, the first
time I came through was in 1945.

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That was an accident.
But I came back again in 1968.

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He was like, well, then you know
what I'm talking about, Help me

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stop it.
And she was like, you can't stop

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a war that's already been lost.
Yeah.

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And he's like, oh, you've tried.
She was like, we tried with

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Collada.
And he was like, well, maybe it

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wasn't she's an Alaman.
So he was like, wait, you tried

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it twice?
She's like, look, anything

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that's fixed like that, you
can't change it.

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As much as I would want to.
She said there are certain

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things that just can't be
changed.

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And he's sitting there just
continuously trying to tell her,

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well, maybe it's maybe.
I mean, we had to have been sent

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back for something.
Would it?

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And I think he said the same
thing that what's his name said?

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What's the whole point of us
having this?

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Ability, Ability.
If we can't change things for

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the better.
Now, on the surface, I'll get

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Richardson.
I understand what he's doing.

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I don't like necessarily the
means at which he's doing it.

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But at the same time, you're
trying to find a way to get rid

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of slavery.
And if we weren't attached to

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Lord John and we were looking
at, and this is the same thing

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we say with The Walking Dead, we
were looking at it from

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Richardson's point of view,
right.

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We probably would be like, OK,
so you about to blackmail one

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man in order to keep 100,000
people from being enslaved for

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the next 100 years?
You know, I can get down with

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that.
Yeah, right.

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Yeah.
But just like Claire says, you

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know, he he eventually talks her
in into it.

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Hey, just let me go.
Let me let me try this.

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And she was like, you just have
to you have to promise that

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you're not going to hurt
anybody.

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He was like, I promise.
Now I'm sitting here while she's

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unlocking him and I'm like,
Claire, please don't be stupid.

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But then you have to think about
it.

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Claire is probably thinking if
there's a way for him to change

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this.
Like how can she be selfish and

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try to change Jamie's fate?
But not allow him to but.

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Not allow him to try to, to try
to stop slavery.

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You know, when you think about
it in that sense, you can see

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why Claire was like, OK, you
know what?

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I got to let him try because
it's his cause.

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Any more or any less noble than
mine, she's trying to say One

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person he's trying to save.
A whole.

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You know, so it's like it's one
of those things where, OK, I

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know a lot of people about to be
mad at Claire, but she had to

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let him try.
But what is it?

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The one thing we talk about time
travel and and static and and

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fixed points history is going to
find a way to correct itself.

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And as soon as he gets ready to
try to leave, he opens the door

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and Lord John shoots him dead in
the head.

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Like there, there's no coming
back.

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There's no mistake in he didn't
have to double tap.

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He made sure one and done.
It was like this is for my son

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and if I had another bullet I'd
shoot you for me and for how to

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for what you were about to do
because he literally was about

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to destroy their whole family.
Yeah, yeah.

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And and that's, you know, it
just, it would have been, I

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don't know, like, like I, I feel
like you like, I feel like it's

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kind of like that thing about
like how Thanos, you know, he

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went about it the wrong way, but
I get where he was coming from

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and the reason why he felt the
way he felt.

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But it's also that thing of
like, I get you wanted to stop

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slavery because who wouldn't
want to stop slavery?

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If if you're a person with with
compassion and you know, you

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just know slavery is wrong, but
then you also have to think

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about if you stop slavery, how
many people are not going to be

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here in the world that you know,
because you changed this whole

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outlook, which is, you know, I
obviously will want my great,

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great whomever's to not suffer
slavery and just not be here.

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But I guess, but you have to
think about that like you're

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going to change.
If you actually going to change

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history that big, you know
you're.

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Going to have some consequences.
That we don't know about Yeah,

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that would That you don't know
And.

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And honestly, do we even know it
was going to be any better?

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Not that you know what I'm
saying, Because my thing is,

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look at how they were once we
got free and and they still was

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doing whatever they did to make
black people's lives horrible.

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So I don't know that it.
Was still doing it.

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And still doing it.
So I don't know that it would

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necessarily have made things
better, right?

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Obviously you wanted to you want
that to be gone, but I don't

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know that it wouldn't
necessarily necessarily have the

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benefit that he thought it was
going to have, you know.

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And so that's the thing, like
changing the future and thank

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God we can't go back in the past
because I just know we would

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fuck it out and fuck up worse
than what we already got.

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The hell we're dealt.
It's probably worse if somebody

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go back, Tinker and what's.
Yeah, because.

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You never, you never know how
that's going to how that's going

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to play out once you change
things.

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Like if we think about even the
earliest seasons going back to

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Claire, because Claire except
for Colada and she she's tried

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to keep things like on a small
scale, like, OK, if we change

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this, what would happen if we
change this?

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What what happened?
You know, and we think about

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let's think about Blackjack,
Randall.

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OK, so it's like we went for so
long thinking Blackjack was

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Frank's direct ancestor.
When we find out it's actually

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not it was his brother, which,
OK, cool.

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So they probably could have
killed Blackjack, but then what

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would have happened when his
brother died and Mary needed

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somebody to, you know, to take
care of her and to claim that

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child is like, it could have
been so many things.

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If if Jamie would have killed
Blackjack during the duel, how

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do we know how that would have
affected Claire?

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Because again, Claire came back
in time because she was on

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honeymoon with Frank.
Right.

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If Frank doesn't exist, Claire
has no reason to be in Scotland,

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has no reason to be near the
stones.

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So it's like one small thing can
affect things in a huge way.

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So Can you imagine what what
Richardson was trying to do, as

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noble as it was?
You want to stop slavery?

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Yes, I get it.
But what kind of impact would

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that have had if he had changed
that something that had already

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happened?
It's just there's no way of

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knowing.
And like Claire said, hey, the

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history, always the set history
will fix itself.

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You can do all these different
little things, but it it's going

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to fix itself.
Yeah, because it's done

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happened.
This was this was the mindset,

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this was the pull of whatever
was happening at that time.

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And honestly, like even with
even with him, you know, being

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like, oh, you know, in England,
this this and this, they still

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didn't end slavery for until
like 1830 something anyway.

447
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,880
So it didn't even even change
it.

448
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,880
Wasn't immediate, Yeah.
Yeah, so it's like, you don't

449
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,160
know what the outcome is going
to be.

450
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:06,600
And I but I totally get his
whole drive to to do it though.

451
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,760
And that's and it's crazy
because he he founded a port

452
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,760
because he had a connection so
far away from him.

453
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,920
And, you know, it's like it's
that's, that's a very

454
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,080
interesting thing to like, I
guess maybe he did some research

455
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,320
about the family history and was
like, oh, wow.

456
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,360
Wait a minute, you know so.
That was an interesting

457
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,320
storyline.
I think I, I kind of enjoyed

458
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,920
that to just, you know.
Now, the one thing I wish this

459
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,640
had LED into, which I understand
we only have this episode and

460
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800
the last.
We don't have a lot of time to

461
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,280
do a whole bunch of stuff.
But I was kind of hoping when I

462
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,520
saw the direction that this was
going, I was hoping that William

463
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,800
and Lord John were somewhere
listening to all of this so that

464
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:55,040
they could be brought into the
fold about Claire being a time

465
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,360
traveler.
Because I feel like Lord John

466
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,920
and William need to know.
Yeah, definitely.

467
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,560
If nobody else, definitely.
Lord John, come on now.

468
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,680
Right.
I mean, but William needs to

469
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,600
know because it's literally
Claire, his sister, his nieces

470
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,000
and nephew.
But, you know, I just I wish

471
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,920
there was a way that they could
have brought that in because

472
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,960
especially, you know, they
probably had questions with

473
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,920
Claire, like how why the fuck
did you let him go?

474
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,000
Yeah, she, she can explain it to
Jamie.

475
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,080
Like, I know Jamie is probably
like, Claire, what was on your

476
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,800
mind?
She can go back into him and

477
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,200
say, hey, OK, so this is what I
find out.

478
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,520
He was a time traveller.
He was trying to end slavery.

479
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,200
Jamie will understand that
because he knows how clear, how

480
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,360
strongly Claire feels about
that.

481
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,080
Right.
Yeah.

482
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,240
So he would understand it.
Lord John and William, I think

483
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,720
it will be a little bit
different because of course,

484
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,240
especially being at that time,
they probably be like, oh, she's

485
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,120
just a woman.
She's just being, you know,

486
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,600
she's being soft hearted.
She's being, she allowed him to

487
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,000
sweet talk her into letting him
go, that sort of thing.

488
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,320
I really feel like it's very
important for the family as a

489
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,760
whole.
Like, you know, the things that

490
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,760
we've explored this season is
what happens when you keep

491
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,840
secrets from your family.
And so I just feel like at this

492
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,880
point in time, especially now
that later on in the episode,

493
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,120
Jamie and Lord John have kind of
reconciled.

494
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,520
William and Lord John have
reconciled.

495
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,160
William has kind of reconciled
this thing with Jamie.

496
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,240
Now it's part like, OK you know
what, we need to let y'all know

497
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,880
what's going on.
Right.

498
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,200
But of course that doesn't
happen, but it would be nice.

499
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,000
It would be it.
Would be, I think at this point

500
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,960
and and they don't know.
I don't think they know in the

501
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,640
books either.
At least I know William

502
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,680
definitely doesn't.
I think I saw somewhere that

503
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,520
they said Lord John, it had been
hinted to Lord John, but I don't

504
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,160
remember reading that.
And I've read all the books so

505
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,600
far and I don't remember it
being even hinted to Lord John

506
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,680
that.
She's a time traveller, yeah, I

507
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,880
think.
I think I kind of vaguely

508
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,920
remember a conversation, but I
don't think Lord John was

509
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,800
understanding exactly what they
were trying to say because of

510
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,160
course they didn't say, well,
you know, I'm from 200 years on

511
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,000
the they're not going to say
that.

512
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,800
But I'm planning on doing
another reread of at least the

513
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,640
later books sometime this
summer.

514
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,040
So I'm going to see.
But I, again, I feel like that's

515
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,040
something that kind of needs to
be known at this point.

516
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,000
And then, you know, they could
also explain it the same way

517
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,760
they did.
We end, you know, they, they

518
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,040
gave it to him.
You know how to get he, he

519
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,360
wasn't, he was what, 161615?
Whatever age he was, he was

520
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,880
young when they told him, wasn't
he?

521
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,600
Who was young?
He was a little bit older

522
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:54,480
because I think when he met
Claire, he was 16, He was 15.

523
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,640
And so it had been years after
that because they they had gone

524
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,840
through the whole thing of
chasing him to Jamaica.

525
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,360
The Yeah.
So it had been a few years.

526
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:13,120
But still, I think especially
now that William, even by his

527
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,120
own admission, he always saw
things in black and white.

528
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,040
And now he's starting to see the
Shades of Grey.

529
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:23,080
I think now he's at a point
where they can tell him and he

530
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,400
might have a little bit more of
an open mind about it, you know?

531
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,720
At this point he better have a
damn open mind.

532
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,640
Everything that sudden went
down, he better look Lord John

533
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,120
Junior, I need you to get your
life.

534
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,760
Listen, listen.
But but yeah, so Richardson is

535
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,040
dead and none of that is going
to matter now.

536
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,200
Everybody's secret is safe so
far.

537
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:58,640
But yeah, Jamie and Lord John, I
will say the reconciliation

538
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,520
wasn't as bloody as I thought it
was going to be.

539
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,200
Yeah.
Which are good because when they

540
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,280
have their conversation, like
they come in and Lord John is

541
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,000
thanking them for he's thanking
Jamie and Claire for saving him.

542
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,080
He's like, thank you for saving
my life and my reputation.

543
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,480
And what does Jamie say?
He was like, well, you know, for

544
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,880
our history, I couldn't let you
be, you know, killed by that

545
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,400
bastard.
And then he sends it like, so

546
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,240
magnanimously, like, oh, I also
decided to forgive you.

547
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,760
Claire turned her head and I
thought she was laughing.

548
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,720
And then when I saw the look on
Lord John's face, I said, oh,

549
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,400
this is about to get very
interesting because Lord John

550
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,120
was like, well, thank you, Sir.
I really appreciate it.

551
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,360
But I don't forgive you.
Like, you almost killed me.

552
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,320
You have put me through hell
with your treatment of me for

553
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,760
the last two years.
I was like 2 years.

554
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Yeah, that.
That's insane.

555
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,840
It was like, basically he was
like, screw you, threw up the

556
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,520
finger and walked into another
room.

557
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,120
Like I I just don't want to be
on the other side of that

558
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,160
Scottish anger baby, because
that's the pet.

559
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,160
Two years is pretty petty,
Jamie.

560
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,960
Listen, listen.
But I mean, it was, it had to do

561
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,800
with Claire.
So I, I, I understand it, but

562
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,640
the way that he was looking at
John, when John was like, you

563
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,000
forgive me?
And James was looking at him

564
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,720
like, well, yeah, I was like,
Jamie, you are not reading the

565
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,080
room, baby.
You are not reading the room.

566
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,320
I love that John just he he
doesn't been treated he like

567
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:30,560
fuck this.
I'm getting it off the chest

568
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,320
because he's like everything
I've done for you and your whole

569
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,960
entire time we've known each
other.

570
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,600
I have been doing for you, Sir,
for you breath.

571
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:45,120
And your family.
OK, and your family and you, you

572
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,880
coming at me at a time of grief
because I was sad about your

573
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,680
death, your your wife, we were
broken about your death and you

574
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,800
coming at me and knock my eye
out my head and all this.

575
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,320
And then you think you, you
think you'll forget, you better

576
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,520
get on my face.
But Lord God can't wait.

577
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,480
And I was like.
Right.

578
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,040
And and Claire.
Claire's quiet anger.

579
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,000
She was like pride goes before
fall.

580
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,680
He's like, don't quote the Bible
at me.

581
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,360
The Bible?
What you mean?

582
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,520
She said look at me and tell me
you don't know that man and I

583
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,560
will never speak his name again.
Jamie just looking the whole

584
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,440
life.
Didn't nobody ask you all that?

585
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,760
Nobody.
Woman.

586
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,880
Shut your mouth, woman.
Right.

587
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,600
Damn you woman.
Listen to your wife.

588
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,840
Like some.
We're serious though.

589
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:36,360
Like all the things, I get him
being angry in the moment, but

590
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,120
to hold on to that anger for
your best friend is wild.

591
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:47,360
But I also believe that because
they weren't in the same place,

592
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,840
it was just easier for him to
just ignore it and not think

593
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,640
about it.
Not like not not think about it,

594
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,680
but not deal with it because he
you know it take two months to

595
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,160
get to each other from.
Wherever the hell they are, you

596
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,920
know.
So like, I think it was just

597
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,440
easier because he was in a
different place.

598
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,760
He didn't have to deal with it,
and the only thing that they

599
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,880
really had was letters right
back and forth.

600
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,680
So I think it was just easier
for Jamie to do that.

601
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Not necessarily.
I think if he had more time to

602
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,040
like actually be in the same
space with him, this probably

603
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,360
would have got better sooner.
But yeah, but the other thing is

604
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:28,120
too, I think, like, we know why.
We know why what Lord John said

605
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,960
bothered Jamie so much.
We know it has to do with what

606
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,920
happened to him at the hands of
Blackjack Ramp Blackjack.

607
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,040
Yeah.
But the thing that Jamie has to

608
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,320
remember is as as close as he
and Lord John are, Lord John

609
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,760
does not know about that part of
his life, does not know about

610
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,920
what happened to him.
And so it does not understand

611
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,520
how that turn of phrase that
your Lord John use, like we were

612
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,080
both fucking you.
He doesn't understand what that

613
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,880
does to Jamie and what memories
that brings up.

614
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,840
And and not just the, you know,
the humiliation of having to to

615
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,400
go through that with Blackjack
Randall, but also how it almost

616
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,600
destroyed him, you know, And so
he was like, you know, you

617
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,639
saying that that's like a
betrayal of our friendship.

618
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,520
The Lord John was like, look,
you asking me to describe

619
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,360
something I didn't know how to
describe.

620
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,760
It was impossible to describe.
I was in grief.

621
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,679
Your wife was in grief.
There was that.

622
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,719
If there was nothing else there,
like they loved each other, it's

623
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,280
not like they were right, you
know?

624
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,000
It's not like they just fell in
love almost, you know, I, I

625
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,440
think also another thing like
obviously their friendship and,

626
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,440
and the fact that he knew that
he was in love with him and all

627
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,719
those things.
But I think about also how she

628
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,320
fell in love with Jamie when she
was married to Frank and in love

629
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,360
with Frank beforehand.
And over time she fell in love

630
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,920
with Jamie.
And I feel like Jamie still kind

631
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,760
of has that thing right, Like
how he tried to come at her last

632
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,000
season about the sex, about her
being basically being a whore,

633
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,960
like what you do like to fuck,
right?

634
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,560
Like he kind of came to her like
that real nasty.

635
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,280
And I do wonder if like his
mindset about that was like,

636
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,720
well, you know, you, you was
married when we met and you fell

637
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:15,960
in love with me.
So you know what I mean?

638
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,800
Like I, I feel like Jamie just,
he just sits in his head too

639
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,680
much.
And I think he just needs to

640
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,760
understand it's the Jamie Fraser
effect.

641
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,560
Like, just get used to it, dude.
Just get.

642
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,800
Used to it bro, it's what it is.
Right.

643
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,400
I mean, I'm, I'm just saying,
but I'm glad he and Lord John

644
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,640
were finally able to like, air
their grievances out.

645
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,360
Yes.
And and and basically be able to

646
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,080
say like, look, you know, like
you said, Lord John was like,

647
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,640
look, I have done everything for
your family, everything.

648
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,800
Like, I have had to sacrifice a
lot.

649
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,480
And, you know, rather that's
what Jamie said to him.

650
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,280
Like you sacrificed a lot to
take care of my child and to do

651
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,120
this and for my family, and you
deserve better than that.

652
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,720
And John was like, yeah, I have
sacrificed a lot, but he was

653
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,880
like, William has never been a
sacrifice.

654
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,040
That is like the greatest joy of
my life.

655
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,320
Oh my gosh.
And, you know, for for them to

656
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,480
kind of acknowledge those things
and to kind of put everything

657
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,600
out like that because again,
things are men in the 1800s,

658
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,360
they don't share their feelings
like that.

659
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,120
The fact that they finally were
able to do that, and then Jamie

660
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,400
was actually able to say, I am
sorry because what it was what

661
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,440
what is it that he said he was
like, yeah, Fraser men are

662
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,600
stubborn, Fraser people are
stubborn.

663
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,240
We don't apologize much, you
know?

664
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:43,920
And then who was it Lord John
brought up, Lord Lovett?

665
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,960
He was like, yeah, your
grandson, that grandson, you

666
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,440
said don't apologize.
Wasn't he the one that was hung?

667
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,440
Maybe he could have been a
little bit more.

668
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,880
Yeah.
Look like, yeah, we know that

669
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,800
dude.
We know he ain't that tight.

670
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,960
But when, when Jamie was like,
you know, what can I do?

671
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,800
What, what can I do to, like,
fix this or to, to make this

672
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,840
whole?
And Lord John started

673
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:17,240
unbuttoning his short sleeves.
But yeah, I think he bought the

674
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:19,640
whoop Jamie's ass.
He's like, yeah, I did.

675
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,920
I did a redression.
But then all he was like, he was

676
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,360
like, look, he was like, the
last time we did this, you gave

677
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,920
me a thrash.
And so now it's it's my turn.

678
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,400
And Jamie was like, yeah, I
deserve it.

679
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,680
He points to the table and all
he wants is a chess game.

680
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,400
And I was like, OK, that made my
heart feel full because I was

681
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,200
like, OK.
I love that they are able to

682
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,920
kind of start back on kind of
like Ground Zero.

683
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,360
Like OK.
How they build our grievances.

684
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,440
We we've said what we need to
say.

685
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,880
OK, now let's get this
friendship back on track.

686
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,000
And you do that by the chess
game because that was how it all

687
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,440
started for them.
So I like that full circle

688
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,000
moment.
It was nice, sweet.

689
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,760
And I was like, OK, y'all, y'all
try to make me cry in these last

690
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,960
couple episodes.
OK, whatever.

691
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,080
But it was sweet.
It was sweet and it was.

692
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,560
Very sweet.
And then you get William having

693
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,440
his conversation with Claire
outside, which I think I was

694
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,040
like, OK, this is the William I
have been waiting for.

695
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,120
Like you have the William who is
still in some ways a child when

696
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,600
it comes to his feelings about
both of his father's.

697
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,800
But having someone to voice that
to and to say, well, how can I

698
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,800
love 1 and and still love the
other and not feel like I'm

699
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,240
betraying them?
But I was like, at least he

700
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,200
admits now.
Like, OK, yes, I love Jamie, I

701
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,360
love my father, I love both my
father's.

702
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,080
But I don't want either one of
them to feel less there.

703
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,400
And then when Claire gave her
answer, I was sitting there

704
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,480
like, wow, You know what?
There is a lot of people with

705
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,960
two fathers in this family.
It's kind of like Brianna

706
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,680
Television.
Like you sure do not.

707
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,560
You sure do know a lot of people
who are rebels, William.

708
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,040
You know a lot of people who are
in your situation.

709
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,000
Claire has had two people.
And I will say this, I got a

710
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,880
little bit excited when she
mentioned Henry because that's

711
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,200
the first time she's ever
mentioned either of her parents

712
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,760
by name ever.
So I was like, OK, are we about

713
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,320
to get this tie in because she
mentioned Henry?

714
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,600
But she mentioned Henry and
Uncle Lamb about, you know, I

715
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,320
only knew my father until I was
5 and then my Uncle Lamb raised

716
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,800
me.
Brianna had two fathers, Rodger

717
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,000
had two fathers and technically,
if you think about it, Ian had

718
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,520
two fathers because he had big
in and then Jamie also raised

719
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,880
him was just kind of like, do
you?

720
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,640
We good, everybody is good.
We're all like we had our

721
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,400
issues, but we're all well
adjusted.

722
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,080
We all love the people that that
we were supposed to love.

723
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,560
We love them equally.
It doesn't.

724
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,800
It doesn't take anything away
from the other one, you know?

725
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,120
And it's hard because like we
talked about previously, like

726
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:15,360
being a child with two dads, it
is hard because depending on who

727
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,640
the dads are, they're, you know,
like my stepdad definitely was

728
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,720
not the one that he, he wasn't
the one that wanted to hear me

729
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,240
call my daddy daddy because my
daddy didn't raise me, you know,

730
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,520
And like, whenever I would talk
about him, he wanted to make

731
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,160
sure I clarify, yes, he's my
father that produced me, but he

732
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,360
is not my daddy 'cause he didn't
raise me.

733
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,800
And, you know, I, I, I get where
Williams come from because even

734
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,720
now I still have to like, make
sure when I'm talking in one

735
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,840
way, I try to phrase things a
certain way 'cause I, you know,

736
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,880
I don't want him to feel a
certain kind of way 'cause my

737
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,000
father is now gone and my step
dad still here.

738
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,960
But like, it's a thing like,
that's a real fear.

739
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,120
I get where Williams come from
because even when even when

740
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,920
around my, my, my around my
father, like I would be like my

741
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,720
dad and I would just immediately
change to my dad's real names

742
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,400
when talking.
And he's like, it's fine, you

743
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,800
could call him dad.
He raised you.

744
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,680
It doesn't bother me.
And so.

745
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,720
But that was something I was
afraid of.

746
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,880
You.
Know for years like I didn't

747
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,080
even want to talk about the two
different relationships you know

748
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,240
so it I I think that was really
good what Claire gave him and

749
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,440
like explained to him and yeah.
Yeah, it's.

750
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Real good.
Yeah, and then of course we see

751
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,080
them getting ready to leave and
Jamie has the same little look

752
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,200
on his face like he's about to
cry.

753
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,840
And I was like, Jamie, if you
don't turn around and look at

754
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,880
this boy.
And when he did, the way that

755
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,920
Williams face kind of changed, I
was like, OK, like y'all were

756
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,720
giving me all the feels in this
episode.

757
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:53,240
And again, I have to remember
Diana wrote it, so I think she

758
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,160
was probably one.
She was like, OK, let me give

759
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,560
y'all the closure that y'all may
or may not get in the books.

760
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,560
Because again, this this has not
happened in the books yet,

761
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,000
right?
You know, in the books at the

762
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,000
end of book 9, William is just
now getting to the Ridge to ask

763
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,800
for Jamie's help because he
already knows that Lord John has

764
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,680
been gone, has been missing.
Like I explained in the books,

765
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,160
Percy meets his end in a very
different way than he does here

766
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,880
in the show.
He's actually poisoned by a

767
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,040
bottle of wine that I think was
sent to Lord John.

768
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,640
It was supposed to be, I think
it was supposed to poison how

769
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,760
when he got there.
But anyways, it's just a whole

770
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,560
bunch of stuff.
But but the fact that he looked

771
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,800
back, you know, has his closure
moment.

772
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,640
And then I was sad because I was
like, does this mean we're not

773
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,200
going to see Lord John and
William for the final episode?

774
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,960
Like, is this it for them?
Like that would make me sad

775
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,320
because that means that you left
your son didn't let didn't tell

776
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,320
him.
Of course, because he doesn't

777
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,080
know about Frank.
He doesn't know about the

778
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,640
future.
So you can't really tell him

779
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,720
that, Hey, when I fight in this
war, it may be like this right

780
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,680
now may be the last time you see
me.

781
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:17,280
Right.
But also, I think when Claire

782
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,080
talked to him on the Ridge about
it, I think she kind of gave him

783
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,480
an inkling that, you know, with
everything going on, don't let

784
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,880
this be the, the end of, you
know, whatever.

785
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,280
So I think they'll, he'll be all
right, 'cause he'll have that

786
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,080
comfort that she gave him about,
you know, 'cause they settle

787
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,560
things and things are good.
So I think she'll, I think he'll

788
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,440
be.
OK, yeah, but I'm sad because I

789
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,640
hope that doesn't mean that this
is the last time we're going to

790
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,240
see them.
Yeah, I was kind of hoping that

791
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:48,920
they would just all go to the
Ridge, just, I feel like Lord

792
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,200
John need a break.
Listen, Lord, John needs to get

793
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,200
out of Savannah right now.
Just, you know, just go on a

794
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,480
trip, go see the countryside.
Yeah, You know, go see the.

795
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,160
Fan, but you know, I if he goes
to the Ridge, would he really

796
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,920
get a break?
No, no you wouldn't.

797
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,680
No.
And then you got folks like

798
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,160
Campbell who would come up and
probably be like, oh, wait,

799
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,840
that's Tori.
No, we don't.

800
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,320
Need.
No, you're right, that is true.

801
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,480
I forgot about that.
Oh, that.

802
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,480
Oh, that guy.
Yeah, that guy who shows up at

803
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,440
the end of the episode, but.
Teaser teaser.

804
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,520
Oh he makes me want to throw up.
I hate him.

805
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:35,680
I know I don't like him, but so
so we so after all of this, of

806
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,240
course Lord John, he goes to pay
Percy a visit.

807
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:45,800
Now this was what what was going
to be interesting to me because

808
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,920
I didn't know how he was going
to handle this.

809
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,280
And of course Percy is sitting
there.

810
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,960
I didn't want to do this and I'm
so sorry.

811
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:57,800
Can you forgive me?
Can can I what?

812
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:04,560
No, I cannot.
So when John walks in there and

813
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,760
and he lays the gun on the desk
and purses, like, really?

814
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,760
And Lord John was like, yeah,
depending on how you answer all

815
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,680
this, I was like, oh, Lord John
is serious.

816
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040
But then, like you said before
we got on here, there are

817
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,520
moments where you have to
remember that Lord John is in

818
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,080
the army.
Is in the army.

819
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,480
A commanding officer, which
means he didn't he didn't sing

820
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,920
some shit, he didn't done some
shit.

821
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,960
He.
Didn't done some stuff.

822
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,440
You know, we we always look at
him when we think about the

823
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:39,080
gentleman that he is right, but.
Yeah, he's been in the military

824
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,560
for a long time.
For a long time, like since he

825
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,920
was a teenager, yes.
So he pulls out this confession

826
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,040
and he was like, yeah, all you
have to do is sign this, say

827
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,000
that you were part of Ezekiel's
thing and everything that you

828
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,040
did, you know your confession
was a lie, that you guys

829
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,120
blackmailed such and such and
got him to confess, and it was a

830
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,400
lie.
And then, you know, I will turn

831
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,040
this in to the authorities.
You will be arrested and my

832
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,960
reputation will be clear.
It's the least you can do.

833
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,600
It's the least you can do.
Oh, and by the way, yeah, you

834
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,280
might want to sign this because
Ezekiel is dead.

835
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,960
Yeah.
You could go the same way.

836
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,840
It just depends.
He was like a person is like

837
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,000
what's what's going to happen if
I sign this?

838
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,920
He was like, look, it can be ink
on that paper, it can be your

839
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,880
blood.
Either way it goes, I'm good.

840
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,960
Either way, it's going to be a
change.

841
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,240
A change.
Don't come listen.

842
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:43,040
I was like, OK, Lord John.
Girl and that person, of course.

843
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,560
What makes me so mad about it
too, though, is he's afraid.

844
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,920
Running around, afraid of this
one man.

845
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,680
And he didn't have enough guts
to go to jail.

846
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,200
Right, like you, you you
so-called love Lord John.

847
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:06,720
But when you have a chance to do
the rectify your mistake.

848
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,520
Yeah, what you did, your
betrayal of him.

849
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,480
You rather die.
But you know, when he sat there,

850
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,560
he signed it, and then what was
it?

851
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,440
I hope you can forgive me.
And Lord John just looked at him

852
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,800
and turned around and walked
off.

853
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,560
He busted with tears.
Something told me.

854
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,360
I said, you know what?
He's not going to let that

855
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,480
stand.
No, no.

856
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,640
And of course, that's what
cowards do.

857
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,600
Yeah.
Because, you know, that's his

858
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,200
reputation now on the line and
he going to jail.

859
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,920
So you know what they're going
to do to you in jail.

860
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,600
You, you look like a fancy Lord
or whatever.

861
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,480
You, you know, and you are
probably screwed around so many

862
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,080
people.
It's just like when a cop go to

863
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,760
jail and the prisoners is like,
oh, like you can't.

864
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,160
Yeah.
And so he knew he wasn't going

865
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,760
to survive.
He was going to be somebody.

866
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,840
Yep.
But Lord John walks out the

867
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,840
office and he hears A gunshot.
Was like, at least he waited

868
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,800
until Lord John was outside
before he did that.

869
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,920
So no one can say, oh, you did
this?

870
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:15,800
No, I was standing outside in my
very bright red British Army

871
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,360
coats.
Yep.

872
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:22,040
And he did it after he signed,
so it was a confession of

873
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,640
wrongdoing.
And then he killed himself.

874
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,520
So he clearly is guilty.
But that I was like, Lord John

875
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,840
is a thug.
Look at him coming over here.

876
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,480
You can take the window or the
stairs, but either way you're

877
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,760
getting hurt.
He was like, look, it can be

878
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,000
your ink on that paper of blood.
I don't care either way it goes.

879
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,880
It's just such a waste, though.
You killed yourself, but you

880
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,600
were so afraid of this man
killing you.

881
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,600
But you, you, you still killed
yourself.

882
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,000
So what?
What did it get?

883
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,920
What did you get?
What did you gain a couple of

884
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,280
more days of living to to to do
this man you claim you love

885
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:03,920
Wrong.
That's.

886
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:12,320
Yeah, just just yeah, hate him.
But here's my question with him

887
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,000
being dead, did Marshley go see
him before he died?

888
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,720
No, Yeah, yes, girl, what
happened with Mark?

889
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:23,600
OK.
I hope they do tie that up and

890
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,040
let us know.
And don't did Marshley get her

891
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:32,280
coins before this man died?
And I guess honestly, she didn't

892
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,800
necessarily have to go through
him 'cause honestly, she could

893
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,920
have probably contacted somebody
in France and just been like,

894
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,200
you know, we had this knowledge.
But I don't know.

895
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,240
That's a good question.
I hope they don't just leave

896
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:46,240
that man.
I hope they.

897
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:47,520
Don't.
No, I'm sure.

898
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,240
Because if you think about it,
from the time that Lord John got

899
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,360
taken to the time that William
and Jamie got to him and two

900
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:58,040
months had passed.
So I'm sure she didn't sit there

901
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,240
for months on end and just be
like, OK, I'm not going to do

902
00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:04,040
it.
So because if you think about

903
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:10,440
it, even from the time that
William got to the Ridge and

904
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,440
Fergus died, it was probably
several weeks in between that.

905
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,960
So I'm sure, I'm sure she got
her stuff done.

906
00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:20,880
That's just how the the sale of
the land went through and now

907
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,320
she got her money and she doing
whatever, you know.

908
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,720
I just also hope that like they
show her again and that wasn't

909
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:31,560
the end of her story on the show
because that would suck.

910
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,840
That would suck.
I mean, we got one more episode.

911
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:40,120
Like I said, we got to have some
kind of reunion, even if, God

912
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,400
forbid, that Jamie dies on the
battlefield or whatever the

913
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,120
whole family's going to have to
come to.

914
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,400
But we're not even going there.
We're not going there because

915
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:54,320
Jamie cannot die.
He can't die, period.

916
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,200
Point blank.
He cannot die.

917
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,400
Claire better do her best.
That's all I got to say.

918
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,040
Listen, she bet.
What are you good for, Claire

919
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:07,160
Samuel?
But one other thing happens this

920
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,040
Savannah and I'm I'm I'm a
little bit sad that Michelle is

921
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,160
not here to discuss it because I
know she was so happy.

922
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,760
Yeah, she would be so proud of
Lil William.

923
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,480
Because he told Amaranthus no.
She.

924
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,480
Basically was like, she was
like, so we, we, we having this

925
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,040
conversation about forgiveness.
Can you forgive me?

926
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,600
It was like, yeah, I can, I can
forgive you.

927
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:31,880
I understand what you were
doing.

928
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,480
You know you were trying, you
were trying to take care of your

929
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,720
child.
She was like, so does this mean

930
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,400
that we can still go on the way
that we were going on?

931
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,160
He was like, you don't want me
to lie, do you?

932
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,680
When he said that girl.
I paused the TV and started

933
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,280
laughing.
I'm so sorry.

934
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,680
Like I Amaranthus, I feel you
girl, I understand.

935
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:59,640
But you literally tried to take
advantage of this man, and then

936
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:07,080
now you still want him to marry
you when he knows that your

937
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,560
husband is alive.
Yeah, maybe on paper, he's dead.

938
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,880
On paper, he has a whole nother
existence.

939
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,040
He's another person.
But this is somebody William

940
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,320
loved.
This is somebody that he

941
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,720
idolized, that he looked up to,
that was close as a brother to

942
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,200
him.
You really think that he's still

943
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,080
going to marry you knowing that
this man is alive out there, so

944
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,320
you want him to be a bigamist on
on top of everything else?

945
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,800
Right.
And William was like, you know

946
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,440
what?
No, I wish you the best.

947
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,040
I hope you find somebody to love
you, but it ain't going to be

948
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,720
me.
And just, you know, he has to

949
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:50,080
feel like some kind of way about
that anyway, just because the

950
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,920
fact that, you know, they
already talked about it, like

951
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,560
you thought I was weak.
You thought I was, you thought I

952
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,440
was the, you know, a mark or
whatever.

953
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,880
But like, you know, William
falls in love too easily.

954
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,800
And then he, he knew he was only
feeling 'cause he felt sorry for

955
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,240
her.
And then she was a pretty girl

956
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:08,360
and he just felt like he was
going to do the duty of a good

957
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,520
person and blah, blah, blah.
But then once all the, the fog

958
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,360
cleared, he realized he probably
realized he really wasn't in

959
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,840
love with her number one.
But then he also realized like

960
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,680
they would have started together
and been together in a whole

961
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,640
lie, just like, 'cause what
would have happened if

962
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,960
everything changed?
And then this man come back and

963
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,600
want his wife back, you know,
like, I don't know that I'm

964
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,400
glad.
I'm glad he got his his heart

965
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,120
together and got his mind right.
Yeah.

966
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,560
I can't wait to hear Michelle
talk about it.

967
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,280
I know I can't wait.
But she, she hasn't even seen

968
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,360
the episode yet.
So I'm like, OK, I I just can't

969
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,080
wait because I'm sure once she
watches it, we going to be

970
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,480
getting a text message.
Like, finally he did something

971
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,920
right.
But, you know, that could also

972
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,720
be two, two months of being on
the Ridge.

973
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,520
Yeah.
You know, getting to know Jamie,

974
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,960
having that reconciliation with
Jamie, probably finding out more

975
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,320
about Jamie's story or finding
out more about who Jamie is.

976
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,480
You know, the, the William that
we see in this episode is a

977
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,920
completely different William
that that we've seen before.

978
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,840
He really has matured.
He really has grown.

979
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,520
He really does, I think,
understand that, like you said,

980
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,440
everything is not black and
white and he's starting to be

981
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,920
able to look at things and say,
you know what things are a

982
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,280
little bit more complex than I
all then I always thought they

983
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,520
were.
And maybe now he can look at

984
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,440
things differently and, and kind
of discern things in a different

985
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,480
way and and just accept things
in a different way and say, OK,

986
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,160
you know what?
Maybe this is not ideal, but I

987
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:46,880
don't have to be so gung ho
against it.

988
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,320
Maybe I can just, you know,
accept this or, you know,

989
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,280
whatever the case may be, but I
I like this version of William

990
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,400
and I'm glad he's not going to
end up with Amaranthus.

991
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,880
I hope that becomes the same
case in the book.

992
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:02,680
Yeah.
Yeah.

993
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,840
Because I don't, you know, it's
the story in the book is a

994
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,680
little bit, again, a little bit
more detailed because you have

995
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,160
like whole books where you can
explore that particular

996
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,960
relationship.
But yeah, I just, we need to be

997
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,280
by himself for a little bit.
Yeah.

998
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:25,000
And just, you know, like live
life, live life.

999
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,960
And also like, did he, did he
get out of the military

1000
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,520
completely?
He got out, right.

1001
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:37,440
So now he, I think he needs to
go either travel or, you know,

1002
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,480
maybe decide he's going to keep
his life in America.

1003
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,840
Like he needs to figure that
out.

1004
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,080
He needs to go hang on the Ridge
and get to know his new nephew.

1005
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,320
Brianna had her baby.
Oh yeah, little baby's here.

1006
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,680
Yeah, there's little baby's
here.

1007
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,440
Yeah, so Brianna has her baby.
She comes in the house and she's

1008
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,560
having a conversation with Jamie
and basically Jamie tells her

1009
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,720
about Frank's book because she
never read the book.

1010
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,120
Right, he didn't never read it.
Know what Frank said?

1011
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,080
So he basically was like, yeah,
so Frank said something about

1012
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,240
the war, and she was like,
you're not coming back, are you?

1013
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,120
He was like, yeah, Frank says I
die in this war.

1014
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,240
She was like, well, just don't
go, don't go.

1015
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,400
We just, we just had the same
conversation about trying to

1016
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,560
change things.
Yeah.

1017
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,400
Even if he doesn't go, something
is going to happen if it's to

1018
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,560
make sure that he is on that
mountain.

1019
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,480
Yeah.
And like he said, look, the

1020
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,400
thing for me is I will gladly
die if I know that I'm

1021
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,240
protecting all of you.
It's just it's it's so much more

1022
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:49,280
than just me being alive.
Yeah.

1023
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,880
Yeah.
It's his whole family's

1024
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:59,240
well-being, right, you know, and
but it's also like that's that's

1025
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:04,080
I don't know, like that's what I
I don't need to know the things

1026
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,800
that are happening because
that's I'm glad, like I ain't

1027
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,240
got no sight.
I ain't I ain't no, but I don't

1028
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:12,280
want to know because this right
here like trying to change

1029
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,240
things and always having to live
up to knowing that a thing is

1030
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:18,200
going to like even with the
what's his name, Cunningham,

1031
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,360
like him knowing that he was
going to die in what seven years

1032
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,640
or whatever for five years, like
that whole.

1033
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,280
I don't want to know because I
don't want to be I don't want to

1034
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,600
be hyper focused on that because
I feel like he was definitely

1035
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,360
very hyper focused on that
because even though he he

1036
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,360
thought he was going to do
whatever for the army or

1037
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,960
whatever, but he never once
considered that his life was

1038
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,280
going to be jacked up the way it
was for them.

1039
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,800
And.
He was being reckless with it

1040
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,800
too, like, Oh yeah, OK, I'm not
going to die.

1041
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,280
They say you ain't going to die.
They ain't say you was you

1042
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,800
wasn't going to suffer.
You know what I mean?

1043
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Like, yeah.
So I don't, I don't, I don't

1044
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,080
want to know.
I don't want to know.

1045
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,600
That's yeah.
And so I don't need like the

1046
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,880
fact they have to live with
this.

1047
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,440
And just he's been holding on to
this for how long now?

1048
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,760
I think over a year at this
point.

1049
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,120
So yeah, I mean it.
Yeah, it has been over a year

1050
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,120
because Bri, it's probably been
closer to the two years because

1051
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,240
Brianna has gone through a whole
pregnancy.

1052
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,680
Pregnancy.
Yeah, yeah.

1053
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,440
And it was months before that.
They have been there months

1054
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,080
before she got pregnant.
So yeah.

1055
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,240
But I that conversation she had
with Jamie just broke my heart

1056
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,720
because she was like, look, I
don't want my grandchildren to

1057
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,480
grow up without you.
For all those years.

1058
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,040
She was like, I just got you.
And technically speaking, y'all,

1059
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,720
y'all been in each other's lives
now for about 10 years.

1060
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,520
But still, you can understand
she's kind of like look.

1061
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:50,440
Yes, but then they left for some
years because Mandy was just

1062
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,160
born and she's what, like 6 or
something like that?

1063
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,120
So.
It's like, yeah, but that that

1064
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,520
little conversation also broke
my heart because it's kind of

1065
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,680
like, did I come back just to
lose?

1066
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,520
You.
You know, eventually that's

1067
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,520
going to happen.
I mean, they're your parents and

1068
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,200
you know, that that's kind of
the natural order of things.

1069
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,320
But still, it's kind of like I
felt, I felt Brianna's pain in

1070
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,800
that conversation.
It's just kind of like, Nope,

1071
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,480
you just don't, just just don't
go.

1072
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,120
And he was like, yeah, I can't
do that.

1073
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,480
You know I can't do that.
That's not.

1074
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,000
That's not.
Every time we've tried to change

1075
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:34,240
something, yeah, you know, but I
don't like it.

1076
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,640
I don't like, I don't like this
whole war thing and honey, so

1077
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:39,960
many wars.
And.

1078
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,720
Yeah, yeah.
Like we we just stay fighting

1079
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:43,560
war as humans.
I.

1080
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,960
Swear we're the worst.
Yeah, but the the other thing

1081
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,120
about this episode.
So what did you think about

1082
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:56,640
Claire starting her book?
I thought that was interesting

1083
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,600
because I for some reason in my
brain, I was like, OK, she's

1084
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,960
writing a book and she's like
about my family.

1085
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,160
And I was just like, OK, what if
this?

1086
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:12,320
Is a big the book that like?
You know, like this is Diana's

1087
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,960
book or so I don't know, some
weird like sports wall type

1088
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,920
thing or something or or
somebody finds it in the future

1089
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,400
and reads about her story.
I don't know, like I don't know,

1090
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,080
I had all kinds of thoughts, but
I thought it was really cool.

1091
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,280
But I also thought, like JP, so
damn nosy.

1092
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,640
Hey, what you doing?
Yeah, give me.

1093
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,240
I'm like, is she right?
Maybe it's her diary.

1094
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:38,080
Damn Jamie keep being played for
plus ain't no secrets between

1095
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,120
now I.
Know that made me laugh though.

1096
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,680
He was just like, give me to me.
I want to see what you're

1097
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,680
talking about.
And then to hear him read it and

1098
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,720
it it, it's very reminiscent of
hearing Claire do the voice

1099
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,960
overs, which is another thing
that they did in this episode is

1100
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,800
like, you get the voice overs
that start in the episode, which

1101
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,360
we haven't had that in such a
long time.

1102
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,880
Yeah.
So that was the thing too, that

1103
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,760
kind of made me be like, it
really is almost the end because

1104
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,840
this was how this series
started.

1105
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,200
We got Claire's introduction at
the beginning and then you got

1106
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,840
like a little something of hers
at the end of the episode.

1107
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,440
And it just made me so sad
because now we only have one

1108
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,040
left.
There's one left and not, and

1109
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,800
the one we got left is going to
be a bunch of killing.

1110
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,320
Because it's war.
Because it's war now.

1111
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:35,800
I think I did see I have to go
look at it again.

1112
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,160
I did look at the preview for
next episode.

1113
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,640
I do think I remember seeing
that William does come back to

1114
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,080
the Ridge.
OK, yeah, I didn't remember

1115
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,880
because.
I think I remember seeing that,

1116
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,880
but I don't know if Lord John
comes with him.

1117
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:02,520
I mean, it would be nice, but
also would Lord John come,

1118
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:08,040
considering those are rebels,
you know, fighting, I mean, and

1119
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,480
they're fighting against,
they're going to be fighting

1120
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,320
against some of the British
officers and the British militia

1121
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,160
or whatever they have.
But I don't see Lord John,

1122
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,040
especially after what just
happened.

1123
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,920
Jamie literally just came and
saved your life.

1124
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,360
I don't see Lord John being on
the opposite end of him.

1125
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,160
Yeah, I mean, at this point,
like just move on, Lord John the

1126
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,760
Brit, it don't even matter no
more.

1127
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,400
Just be American.
Call it a day.

1128
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:36,080
Right, because how many times
have British folks tried to kill

1129
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,360
you?
Yeah, yeah, blackmail you and

1130
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,520
and kill your son.
Yeah, if you are, you are rebel.

1131
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:47,520
You are rebel by default now at.
This point, same thing with

1132
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:48,520
William.
That's the other thing with

1133
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:50,600
William.
I'm like, well, I have an

1134
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,400
allegiance anymore.
You know why?

1135
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,200
Right.
Nobody in your life pretty much

1136
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,960
has allegiance to the Crown
anymore.

1137
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:06,480
But one episode left, we got
some more and and The thing is,

1138
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,760
even the actors don't know how
the show is going to end because

1139
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,600
apparently they filmed four
different endings.

1140
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,480
I hate, I hate when they do
that.

1141
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,240
I know they have to do that to
keep spoilers down but like.

1142
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,040
But apparently Ron Moore is the
only person who who?

1143
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,880
Who knows?
What the ending is going to be?

1144
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:34,440
Ending this.
So yeah, I don't even at this

1145
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,720
point, I don't even know if I
want to speculate.

1146
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:43,600
I, I, I feel like, I feel like
Jamie is not going to die.

1147
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,720
I feel like Claire will probably
end up saving him with her

1148
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:53,160
little her little power be fully
white haired by the end.

1149
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,960
That's the Raymond.
Powers.

1150
01:03:55,080 --> 01:04:04,240
Yeah, but I I don't know.
But beyond that, I don't really

1151
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,720
have any expectations.
Like I said, I know what I

1152
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,880
prefer.
I I would like to see everyone

1153
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,880
on the Ridge.
I would like it to end with

1154
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,640
Jamie and Claire just kind of
looking over everything and

1155
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,880
feeling satisfied with life.
I don't know if they're going to

1156
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:24,880
put the whole Jamie's ghost
thing in the show as far as why

1157
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,800
we saw his ghost in the first
episode.

1158
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:33,240
But, you know, at this point, I
don't know if for the show, it's

1159
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,560
as important as it is in the
book.

1160
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,600
I know in the book we're
supposed to find out in the

1161
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,800
10th, the 10th book and she's
always said it was going to be

1162
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,080
in the in the last book.
OK.

1163
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:52,360
But yeah, at this point, look,
Cunningham can die or not.

1164
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,920
Cunningham, Campbell.
Campbell.

1165
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,760
Yeah, Campbell can die because I
I I don't like him.

1166
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,600
I just don't like, you know?
You owe me.

1167
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,440
Just the way he talks, just
everything about his whole

1168
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,040
everything, this actor.
Cleveland.

1169
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,160
That's his name.
Cleveland.

1170
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,120
His this actor like he, he's
putting too much.

1171
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,920
He's putting too much because I
I just like his face.

1172
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,200
I hate everything about him.
I hate everything about him so I

1173
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:26,720
want him to die ASAP.
Yeah, but I mean, everybody else

1174
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,280
needs to be OK.
I I do know that at the in the

1175
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:37,520
promo, you see Jamie kind of
giving a speech to everyone.

1176
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:42,120
You do see Ian there and his
full Mohawk war paint.

1177
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,640
I didn't see anybody else.
Like, I don't know if the twins

1178
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,040
are going to be there because
they really haven't been in the

1179
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,640
in the season as much.
Yeah, I mean.

1180
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,640
You've seen one or the other,
but we've never seen both of

1181
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,840
them now.
Yeah.

1182
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,680
Other than that, I just.
It's coming to an end.

1183
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:09,880
I'm very sad and I don't, I
don't even want to speculate on

1184
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,400
what's going to happen.
I, I just, I just hope Jamie

1185
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,640
doesn't die.
Yeah, I mean, I I would be

1186
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:20,120
satisfied with them, just like
you said, just being able to

1187
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,920
live their life on the Ridge and
move on and things are fine.

1188
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,600
I know that's like, you know,
the happily ever after and all

1189
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,360
that.
No problems with happily ever

1190
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:34,320
after.
None.

1191
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,080
It's just like, no, I just know
people.

1192
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,600
I know how people are.
Well, it's not realistic and but

1193
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:45,320
I feel like they have been
through so much that let them

1194
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,040
have their piece.
Yeah.

1195
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,160
This woman, she'd have been
almost hung like 50 times.

1196
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,280
He'd have been almost hung like
50 times.

1197
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,880
You know, he didn't got, she
didn't got shot.

1198
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,840
He didn't get, I mean, whipped.
I mean, all this stuff they've

1199
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,920
had shot.
Snake bite stabbed after.

1200
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:09,560
Trauma after trauma.
Fever yeah like yeah, but I'm

1201
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,160
looking at the the promo now in
the background so I do see Buck,

1202
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,640
I see Rodger.
Oh, let me say this too.

1203
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,480
If you look at the the promo,
you know how they had the

1204
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:24,080
different shots Rodger has on
his full minister's uniform and

1205
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,200
his hair.
I don't know what it is they did

1206
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:31,000
with Roger Mack like this
season, but this season Roger

1207
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,360
Mack has been like smackish
times 10.

1208
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,240
Like he's always looked good.
I've always loved Roger.

1209
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,880
I've always loved.
Good.

1210
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,440
Yeah, no, he's a good looking.
Dude, but this season, I don't

1211
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,400
know if maybe it's just him
being back in the 1800s because,

1212
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,520
you know, 19 sixties, 1980s
Rodger, he was cool to

1213
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,720
especially, especially when he
had on that blue sweater and the

1214
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,720
kilt.
That was like a killer look.

1215
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,040
But I don't know, something
about since he came back to the

1216
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,960
Ridge, maybe it's because he's
more comfortable.

1217
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,400
I don't know.
But I'm, I'm liking it.

1218
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,680
Yeah, I I'm liking it.
I'm feeling it.

1219
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,960
I'm feeling it, but I.
See some of these people in this

1220
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,760
this crowd that Jamie is talking
to.

1221
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,640
I see Hiram Crombie over here.
I was just about to.

1222
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,600
Bring it up.
So I, I, I guess the people who

1223
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:23,680
got who almost got exiled, they
were like, OK, look, if we going

1224
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:24,840
to stay here, we got to fight
we.

1225
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,439
Got to fight you got to prove
your loyalty.

1226
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,880
And this, this is how you do it.
Because real talk, be a coward

1227
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:33,760
now and I'm just going to shoot
you in your head.

1228
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,120
Might as well.
Be in because if you're not

1229
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,479
going to fight with me, then you
don't need to be on my land.

1230
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,359
That's it.
Like I, no, I don't need you

1231
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,240
because what do you?
What's your purpose?

1232
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,160
But I saw him and I was about to
ask you.

1233
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:51,160
I'm like, so you see that one of
the first people in that line

1234
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,880
right there was was crying me.
What you think about that?

1235
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,319
I was just about to ask you
that, 'cause I just.

1236
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:01,240
Oh yeah, William.
Is on the Ridge, I think, yeah.

1237
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:06,000
So we'll see.
Maybe he is gonna.

1238
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,960
Maybe he is gonna fight.
I do.

1239
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,640
I don't know.
I don't know.

1240
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,279
I just know one thing.
Oh boy, better not come for him

1241
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,160
'cause he got a British accent
or something.

1242
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:23,960
Crazy.
Oh no, because all Jamie has to

1243
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,880
say is this is my son.
That's automatically off limits.

1244
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,200
Off limits don't come.
Don't come looking.

1245
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:36,479
So plus William again.
William is not part of the

1246
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:41,359
British Army anymore, so he
really wouldn't have no reason

1247
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,120
to go after William unless he
finds out.

1248
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:47,279
Oh, yeah, he used to be part of
the British Army.

1249
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,439
But you know what?
All of the rebels used to be a

1250
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,560
part of the British Army at one
point or the other.

1251
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:56,520
So, so you know, and, and I
think at this point, William,

1252
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,920
like you said, he just need to
come on over to the to the rebel

1253
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:03,360
side because the British side
didn't treat you all that well,

1254
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,560
Sir.
And you probably ain't going

1255
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,720
back over there.
And your daddy here.

1256
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:09,760
Both.
Look.

1257
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,840
Both of your father's, he was
like that.

1258
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,200
I'm never going to get used to
that.

1259
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,440
Get used to it there.
Both of them are here.

1260
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,400
I don't.
I don't even see if.

1261
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,800
I don't even know if I see Lord
John going back.

1262
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,000
Especially if William decides to
stay.

1263
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:28,880
No, because for, for one, for
one thing, it's right now it's

1264
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,120
still even though there are
laws, but there's British rule.

1265
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,920
But once there's no British
rule, things will be, it'll be

1266
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,120
it's different laws and
different things coming into

1267
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:41,160
play and so it just might be
better for him to just be there

1268
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:47,240
anyway.
Just quit the army and just just

1269
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:52,840
live as a as a whatever.
But yeah, British Army has not

1270
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:58,280
really been treating y'all well,
so let let Hal have it.

1271
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,160
Specialist says how apparently
is of the type where, you know,

1272
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:07,720
Richardson was like, yeah, if he
doesn't if it what was it?

1273
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:13,240
If he doesn't do what I want him
to do, then you know your your

1274
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,480
safety might be compromised.
He was like, you wouldn't think

1275
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:16,720
my brother won't care about
that.

1276
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:21,120
Like when it comes to when it
comes to standing on his

1277
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,040
principles politically, that's
what's important to how, you

1278
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,440
know, 'cause I think even in the
books, you know, like I said, in

1279
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,640
the books, the way they have it,
Hal finds out that Ben is a

1280
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,960
traitor.
I think, I think.

1281
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:39,720
But yeah.
So basically, he he goes to find

1282
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,040
Ben and I think he's going to
find Ben to challenge him to a

1283
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,680
duel.
Because you know you, you now

1284
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,600
besmirched the honor of our
house.

1285
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,320
You know.
Dishonor on us, Dishonor on our

1286
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:55,840
cow.
So, yeah.

1287
01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:03,240
But yeah, that would look, Lord
John can come to the Ridge.

1288
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:08,080
William can come to the Ridge.
They can help Jamie defeat, you

1289
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,440
know, whatever the you know, he
can.

1290
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:15,040
They can help him fight in this
this backwater war and and be

1291
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,240
done and live to fight another
day.

1292
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:22,120
But we won't get any more days.
We only have one more episode

1293
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:23,240
left.
One more episode.

1294
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:31,360
Oh man.
Oh, but but then, you know,

1295
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:35,240
it'll be the end of Outlander.
But at least we'll still have

1296
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:36,680
blood on my blood.
We'll still.

1297
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,480
Have Blood on My Blood, which
premieres I think August 8th for

1298
01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:43,760
season 2.
We still have conventions and

1299
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:44,840
stuff.
Lancome.

1300
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:49,520
Lancome is coming in October to
Austin, TX.

1301
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,560
They've got a really good guest
list.

1302
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:55,080
They just announced Tony Curran.
I mean a huge list.

1303
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,960
They are really getting them.
They, they're getting a good and

1304
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,520
I think they they could have
been getting more.

1305
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,800
But there is another Outlander
convention happening overseas

1306
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:09,080
that same weekend that I know
certain people are going to be

1307
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,720
at.
Like I think I want to say merch

1308
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,800
is going to be at that one.
I think Dougal is going to be at

1309
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,280
that one somebody else.
I was like, OK, so we're not

1310
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,320
going to get some of those
people.

1311
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,200
But I mean, it's a it's a really
good guest list so far.

1312
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,920
Pretty good guest list though.
Pretty good because what William

1313
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,400
John, we've got William we've
got gay list.

1314
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:36,240
We've got we look I like I
hated.

1315
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,760
Her, but she's one of my
absolute favorite characters.

1316
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:46,120
Like, listen, hands down, yeah,
she's amazing.

1317
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:50,160
Yeah, so Tony, Tony Kern is the
first announcement they've made

1318
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,320
from blood of my blood.
So I'm hoping we'll get some

1319
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,520
more blood in my blood people so
that I can like really had go

1320
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,880
have like a fangirl moment.
But yeah.

1321
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,960
Yeah, that, that.
Would be good, like even for

1322
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,440
blood.
In my blood I would take like

1323
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:09,680
Minnie Doogle or Minnie Doogle.
We do go.

1324
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,640
That ain't so we.
Any of them.

1325
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,480
Because I, you know, like I
said, I absolutely adore that

1326
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:18,600
show.
Yes.

1327
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,640
So, and I'm glad it's coming
back in August because that

1328
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,520
means that now, because it's
coming back before Dragon Con,

1329
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,080
we can actually do a panel at
Dragon Con.

1330
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:28,280
I've already reached out to
them.

1331
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,520
I was like, hey, but my blood is
coming out in August.

1332
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,360
Dragon Con is at the end of
August, beginning of September.

1333
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,400
So I mean, it was, it was
similar last year because they

1334
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,080
they premiered in August.
And so I think at the time that

1335
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:46,080
Dragon Con happened, we had 4
episodes under our belt and we

1336
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,360
had a pretty good discussion
just with those 4 episodes.

1337
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,760
So yeah, bring it on.
So.

1338
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,200
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, that's what I say.

1339
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,800
Didn't they have like how many
episodes did they have?

1340
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,440
Was it 8?
1010, OK, I think it was 10.

1341
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,480
So so yeah, so we we got some
time to talk.

1342
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:07,360
It's not like Outlander is
completely over.

1343
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,040
Yes, the flagship show show is
over.

1344
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:16,440
But I'm going to be honest too,
I don't know if I feel like it's

1345
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:19,960
the end for those characters,
you know, because they have said

1346
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:25,560
something before about after the
10th book is released, like they

1347
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,960
could come back and do something
with that or they, you know,

1348
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,840
they, there's been some things
thrown out, like maybe come back

1349
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,040
and do a final movie or
something like that.

1350
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,320
I, I wouldn't be mine.
I mean, I wouldn't mind.

1351
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,440
And then they also say something
about like a story like Brianna

1352
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,400
and and Roger's story too, like
I.

1353
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:51,560
Think part of the part of the
problem with that is not that I

1354
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,360
say it's a problem because I
actually do like Brianna and

1355
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,800
Rodger, but I know a lot of
people who are like the hardcore

1356
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,800
Outlander fans.
They don't really care about the

1357
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,160
children or, you know, as far as
that they they just want to

1358
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:06,040
Claire, that's all they want to
see.

1359
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:11,680
And I've I've actually seen that
in comments, even talking to my

1360
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,320
best friend over the weekend, I
hung out with her and she was

1361
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,720
talking about how she needs to
get caught up on Outlander.

1362
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,320
She was like, but The thing is,
she's like, they keep showing

1363
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:20,960
the children too much.
I don't care about them.

1364
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,080
I care about claiming Jamie and
Claire.

1365
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,360
That's all I want to see.
But I saw another comment

1366
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:32,280
online, actually, I saw it
earlier today was somebody was

1367
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,320
complaining.
They said why haven't we seen

1368
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,440
Claire as much in this season?
I feel like we're seeing

1369
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:42,000
everybody else's story but hers
and this supposed to be her

1370
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,880
story.
And I'm like, I, I understand

1371
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:51,440
that and I get it.
But I also feel like the show is

1372
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:54,000
kind of taking the natural route
it's supposed to.

1373
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:59,120
Like as the parents get older,
yeah, the storyline shifts from

1374
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,800
them and it goes into the
children because that's who

1375
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:03,560
they're.
They're like, yeah, Jamie and

1376
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,040
Claire, they love each other.
They're about each other, but

1377
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:10,120
they're also about their family.
And in all of his extensions,

1378
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,360
because, like I said, in the
books, you know, Lizzie and the

1379
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,320
twins are part of their extended
family, Fergus and Marshall.

1380
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,360
Because in the books, Fergus
ain't dead.

1381
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:24,560
But anyway, you know, they're a
part of this, the little the

1382
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:30,680
little girl Agnes, whose parents
are the flip free slaves in the

1383
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,800
books, Like I said, her father
or her stepfather after she,

1384
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,800
quote UN quote, put them in
danger by going to get help for

1385
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,800
her mother.
He put her out.

1386
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,960
She came to Claire and Jamie and
she's with them now.

1387
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,800
So it's like they've always been
about their family and taking

1388
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,840
care of them.
So I feel like the story kind of

1389
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,200
bleeding down into to the others
is a natural progression, but at

1390
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,080
the same time, we've been seeing
a lot of Claire this season, I

1391
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,880
think.
I don't feel like it hasn't been

1392
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,480
a lot of Claire.
Yeah, I mean that The thing is

1393
01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:06,440
like, I feel like when they were
younger and it was they're

1394
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:09,880
building their relationship,
that made a lot of sense.

1395
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,280
It was a lot of Jamie and Claire
constantly.

1396
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,600
Whatever, whatever.
But like you said, if it would

1397
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,120
be different if it that was a,
if it was a show where they

1398
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:19,960
never aged or like, you know
what I mean?

1399
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,920
Like it was just a continuation
of them in their 30s or their

1400
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,200
20s or whatever.
But it's not.

1401
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,760
It's literally passage of time
and it's they can't, they can't

1402
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,680
just be by themselves all the
damn time.

1403
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,440
Right and I mean, we've
literally seen them age from the

1404
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:36,760
20s to the they're in their 70s
now, right They're.

1405
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,640
Old and they, they have children
like, I don't know.

1406
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,520
I don't know.
That's weird to me that people

1407
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,320
don't want to see the their
family.

1408
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,320
Like that's who makes them who
they are.

1409
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,800
Is their family.
The, the, the hardcore, you

1410
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:55,320
know, like love affair stuff.
Yeah, it's it, it happened.

1411
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,200
It was there.
And then this is the extension

1412
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:01,920
of what that love affair means
that they have this family, this

1413
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,680
huge family.
Like, I don't, I don't know.

1414
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:08,040
That's I mean, I get it, I
guess, but I just don't it

1415
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,080
doesn't bother me that they're
talking.

1416
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,000
I want to see more about other
people.

1417
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,120
Yeah, yeah.
And plus y'all kind of had to

1418
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,040
make up for some of this because
y'all completely left some of

1419
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:19,760
them out.
Like we didn't see Ferguson

1420
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,080
Marshall at all in the last
season.

1421
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,840
So y'all kind of had to make up
for that.

1422
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,080
Especially if you're closing the
story out, right?

1423
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,560
You got to wrap up those those
loose ends.

1424
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,120
And I think they are really
doing a good job of that.

1425
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,120
Like even though yes, I think
some of the stuff is dragging on

1426
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:39,600
too much.
I can understand what Michelle's

1427
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:40,800
saying.
Like, look, we only have 4

1428
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,680
episodes.
We only have three episodes.

1429
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,280
We don't have y'all need to
y'all need to, you know, close

1430
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,160
this off.
I think like the whole

1431
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,720
Richardson thing, the the way
that they brought the Richardson

1432
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,080
story back in and even with Rob
camera, they brought them back

1433
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,160
in.
They closed it up nice, neat

1434
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,640
little, but well, maybe not
neat, but nice little bow closed

1435
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,160
up the storyline and and it's
done.

1436
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,520
You know, there is no lingering
information.

1437
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:12,200
There's no, there's no OK, what
happened with this?

1438
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,480
No, they closed, they closed it
out.

1439
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,000
You know exactly what happened
to those characters.

1440
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,480
Right.
Yeah, I think they're doing a

1441
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:23,920
good job.
Now it's just a matter of what

1442
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,640
they do with the final episode.
And I think I saw a rumor

1443
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,120
somewhere that the last episode
is supposed to be like an hour

1444
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,480
and 20 minutes.
I don't know if that's true.

1445
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:34,960
I haven't.
Oh yeah, I remember you said

1446
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,520
that in a chat.
I mean, if it is, I won't mind

1447
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,560
that, just that just prolongs
the end.

1448
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:45,120
Don't make don't make it a short
one because you still there's a

1449
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,280
lot to still wrap up honestly,
and I don't want them to be

1450
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:49,640
fighting the whole freaking
damn.

1451
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:52,760
No, I I don't want to see a
whole episode of war.

1452
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:58,760
I don't That is not how I want
to like you started this this

1453
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,000
story as a love story, even
though it was starting with

1454
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:07,360
Frank and Claire as a love
story, but still it started as a

1455
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,520
love story and then we followed
this love story.

1456
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,680
That's how it needs to end.
Yeah, that's another reason why

1457
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,920
I said Jamie doesn't need to
die.

1458
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,440
I don't.
I don't want him to die.

1459
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:20,600
Like, yeah, understand they can
be realistic.

1460
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,160
Whatever.
Whatever I don't have.

1461
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,160
To have realism.
No, it's he's a magic.

1462
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,360
Look, they've had magic
throughout this whole entire

1463
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,640
relationship, and now you want
realism?

1464
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,840
No, Jackie can No.
Jamie, I don't need anybody else

1465
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,680
to die.
That Fergus took it out.

1466
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,000
That just took me.
Listen, that was the one in Dawn

1467
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,720
right there.
That just that was the one that

1468
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,320
done because that one really
wasn't necessary.

1469
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:51,200
Especially if let's say if we
aren't going to see Marsley for

1470
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,280
the final episode.
What?

1471
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,440
What purpose did that serve to
kill him off?

1472
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:01,120
Y'all could have had them living
happily in Savannah with their

1473
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:05,040
children, with their new baby,
you know?

1474
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,440
But again, I feel like, OK, you
killed off the old son so he can

1475
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:10,760
have this relationship with the
new son like y'all couldn't.

1476
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,240
Like, you don't think William
would have been cool with a

1477
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:19,200
brother, you know?
I kind of, I kind of hope they,

1478
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,880
I don't know, I kind of what I
will say one thing I kind of

1479
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,920
hope they do is the progression
of time so we can kind of see

1480
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:32,280
Jamie and Claire real, real old
and then all the the grandkids

1481
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:37,800
grown up.
But I don't know, it's going to

1482
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:38,960
end.
It's going to be.

1483
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:42,760
Over, you know, I know I'm not
ready.

1484
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:44,840
I'm not ready.
I'm not ready.

1485
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,520
I think, I think I'm gonna have
to drink some alcohol that

1486
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,960
night.
Oh God, so the tears don't

1487
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,320
really float in we grow.
They gonna flow regardless.

1488
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,480
I know I'm going to be a hot
blubbering mess.

1489
01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:00,320
I already know this I.
Have tears like at midnight or

1490
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,280
whenever they drop it because
you know it's going to be all

1491
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,720
over the Internet.
I know, and that's what I'm

1492
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,440
thinking, but I'm like, I know
I'm going to be crying.

1493
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:12,040
I'm going to be a mess trying to
go to work on Friday morning,

1494
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:18,200
but I'm going to have to because
even like even for last week's

1495
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,640
episode, No, it might have been
this episode.

1496
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,240
I opened up Google search and
this happened.

1497
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,720
This is what happened to me with
with Fergus's death, right?

1498
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,240
I remember.
That I opened up.

1499
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,000
Google search, and it was one of
the things that was on the

1500
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,480
Google search as far as like
trending stories, right?

1501
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,880
So even with this one, I opened
up Google search to look for

1502
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:44,080
something else and it was like
has something about Lord John.

1503
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,360
Oh it was talking about Lord
John's rescue but then it also

1504
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:53,320
said Outlander kills 2
characters in final season.

1505
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,320
I was like who the fuck else did
they kill?

1506
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,840
Science Fergus.
But because they mentioned Lord

1507
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,400
John in the same headline,
that's why I was like.

1508
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,160
They plan.
They plan on fire.

1509
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:10,680
I was like, if y'all killed Lord
John, it's going to be on and

1510
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,000
popping because no, that is one
person y'all are not allowed to

1511
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,440
touch.
Like y'all weren't allowed to

1512
01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:19,400
touch Fergus either, but that's
already that's been done.

1513
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:24,560
Y'all can't touch Lord John?
And to be honest, TV has a very

1514
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,120
bad Hollywood.
It specifically has a very bad

1515
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,760
habit of killing gay folks, and
that is not acceptable.

1516
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,000
So no, you will not kill Lord
John.

1517
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,440
He will thrive.
Yeah.

1518
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:40,920
Yeah, that's no, we will not.
Drive and find him a man and I

1519
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:42,560
don't know.
I mean, you know.

1520
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:48,160
A roommate, you know, I mean, he
got a, he got a partner up at

1521
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:53,240
Mount Josiah, he said.
So, you know, maybe he'll, maybe

1522
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,600
he'll go back to Mount Josiah.
He'd be like, you know what,

1523
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,200
fuck, fuck the British Army and
all this other shit.

1524
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,600
I'm I'm going to the mountains.
Yeah.

1525
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,000
I don't want to have nothing to
do with none of this stuff.

1526
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,600
And I mean not.
Josiah is not that far from the

1527
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,920
Ridge anyway, so.
Yeah.

1528
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:13,480
Still go visit.
Yeah, but leave Savannah for

1529
01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:16,480
show, though.
Because ain't nothing good

1530
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:18,880
happened in Savannah.
Fergus died in Savannah.

1531
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,840
Lord John got kidnapped in
Savannah.

1532
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,520
No, I I need Savannah is not the
place to be.

1533
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:32,440
No.
I need y'all to go but OK we

1534
01:25:32,440 --> 01:25:38,440
have one episode left.
You have any final thoughts

1535
01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:43,760
about this episode?
Oh, I'm so glad that Jamie and

1536
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:49,400
John are back friends.
Girl, I'm so happy 'cause that

1537
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,960
just.
I honestly like overdue it.

1538
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,040
Yeah.
Because that.

1539
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,440
That, that what what he gave
John still haunts me because I'm

1540
01:25:57,440 --> 01:26:00,680
just like, he really tried to
murder that man.

1541
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,160
And what if he had murdered him
with all that?

1542
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,920
And then, you know, later in
life he wouldn't.

1543
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,280
Oh, girl.
So that.

1544
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,920
And him and William would never
have spoke again like William

1545
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,240
would have never.
And he might have, would have

1546
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:18,440
been put in jail because William
would have got the British Army

1547
01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:21,280
to arrest Jamie, I'm sure.
Because, you know, it's

1548
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:25,800
brilliant.
Yeah, because Lord John was, he

1549
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:29,080
was commissioned back into the
army at that point, but didn't

1550
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,120
know about it.
But yeah, that would, yeah.

1551
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,120
I'm just happy they made-up
besties and.

1552
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:40,200
That him and that Jamie and
William have have now have

1553
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:41,120
bonded.
Yes.

1554
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,920
So.
So I got part of what I needed

1555
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,120
for for the end of the show,
Yeah.

1556
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,000
If y'all want to find a way to
wreck Con Fergus's death, I

1557
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,520
don't.
Have I don't have a problem with

1558
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,040
that.
It was all a dream.

1559
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,000
Look if Master Raymond can bring
faith back from the dead, y'all.

1560
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:06,160
Oh my God, girl, where that
shark?

1561
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,400
Where that shark at?
There's a shark out there that

1562
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,360
they were jumping over with.
Girl, listen.

1563
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:16,640
Listen.
OK, we're almost at the.

1564
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:20,440
End for folks, this is it.
This is it.

1565
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:26,200
So hopefully we'll have Michelle
on the last one.

1566
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:30,120
I'll know she is in full senior
mom mode right now.

1567
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:32,520
Her daughter is getting ready to
graduate from high school in a

1568
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:36,200
couple weeks.
So it's and and you know, she

1569
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:40,360
works in education, so it's year
end stuff and award ceremonies

1570
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,680
and this that and others.
So hopefully we'll have her on

1571
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,600
for the final one so she can,
she can talk with Glee about the

1572
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,440
fact that William and Amaranthus
are not together.

1573
01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:54,840
And then we can we can all have
a nice little therapy session

1574
01:27:54,840 --> 01:28:00,640
about the end of Outlander.
You can get her notebook.

1575
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:04,960
No, we're not doing notebook
ending.

1576
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,760
And on that note, that is it for
our show.

1577
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:11,960
You can find us online at
www.phantomharvard.com.

1578
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,240
We are on social media, on all
the social media at Phantom

1579
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,120
Hybrid.
You can chat with us on our

1580
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:19,080
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1581
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:21,800
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1582
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,440
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Thanks for listening.

1583
01:28:24,440 --> 01:28:26,360
We hope you join the
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