Outlander (SERIES FINALE) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #408

0:25 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Michelle and Dina and the fandom. Hybrid Outlanders series finale Therapy session is now in session How we feeling y'all how are we feeling are we and. It's not because of the episode, it's more of it's over. Yeah. So I had to after watching the last episode yesterday, I I just had to take a shower and just decompress because. Yeah, yeah. It's like. Eight seasons, 101.

1:08 Episodes, I think they've been filming this for 13 years. That's that's a lot of time to invest into something and for it to be just over and done with. I'm so sad. And, and to be there those 13 years, like even though I came in right when they were doing the, the season finale on season 1. So that's pretty much the beginning. That's, that's a long time that I didn't want to finish. I didn't want to watch it 'cause I have an issue. I do that a lot. It's like another show I really love was Breaking Bad and it was the last episode. It took like a year or so to watch the last episode because I just didn't want it to be over.

1:53 Right, right. OK. And to know what happened, Yeah. So this is the only reason it's 'cause we talking about it today, 'cause if not I would have just pushed this. Well, you still have the books. Now you can really focus on the books. Right, you can. And I love how, and now we kind of jump it. I love how they ended it, but 'cause they left it where the books carry on. So it's like, oh, that's good. It's not like, you know, Game of Thrones where you you kill everybody. Well, when he write the last book, which he not, but whenever that last book come out with a ghost writer, I. Was going to say, we can't even get a last book. We can't even get a next book with that one right? That's what I'm saying. That's neither here nor there.

2:36 But they they don't have anywhere to go. But here we didn't really get like the end. We got closure, but we didn't get close. Right, so she can keep going. It can be and we need to know or it can be open-ended depending on like depending on really what kind of fan you are. Because I've seen a lot of things online where there were people who were really confused about what happened at the end. And I think again, we, we talk about it, we dissect it. So I think for us it's kind of obvious what happened. But for some people who really didn't pay attention, especially to all of the stuff about the blue light and the mentions that they've had of it, if they weren't really into that part of it, then there is it's going to go over their heads. Because I even got an inbox from one of our, one of our listeners, Todd, who does the Alienating Ourselves podcast with our friend Nick.

3:34 He, he messaged me. He was like, OK, I have a whole list of questions. And he, that was one of the questions. But he also admitted he's never watched Outlander from the beginning. He kind of came in like in the middle of the show and just kept going. So he's never watched it from the beginning. So he was like, am I missing something with the the thing with the flowers at the end and stuff? I was like, yeah, I was like, I can either answer it now or I or we can, you can listen to the podcast when we do it. He was like, I'll wait for y'all to discuss it. But yeah. So it's like if you're not into the story, into the story or if you aren't a book reader, some of those things. I do see how as a show only person, especially, especially if you are, I would say you're a fan, but you're not a, a super, super fan. Like you don't take everything and dissect it and all this other stuff.

4:25 I I can see how it kind of goes over your head or how you might have missed certain things or. You just forget, like me. I forgot. I don't forget so much stuff. And I was like. And that's easy to do when you're when you're going like a year and a half between seasons. Oh God. And then it's been, like you said, 13 years. Two, I can't remember what I had on last week. Let me tell you, I'm supposed to remember somebody else's life and those details. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But OK, let's get into the episode right off the top. The throwback to the fiery cross and the battle cries of all the clans that are there on the Ridge. I was like, OK, yeah, I'll get this height for this battle. Then you bring in the classic, original Outlander theme. I started crying.

5:17 I was like, you know what? I was like, OK. Bringing Red Yarborough back for the final episode of the show. The the the one that started it all. I was like, OK, so y'all really finna fuck with us from the beginning. OK, I see what y'all are doing because I'm sitting there. I had to pause and be like. Because I watched an interview with her and her talking about it and I was like, girl, how long you did this thing and forever what you talking about? I was singing for Outlander and then when they had not heard her voice, I was like. I did too and and then asked for me because I was watching the previous episode but I needed to get into this episode.

6:03 I showed up, skipped it, didn't even realize. Oh yeah, until just now, back-to-back. Yeah, yeah, I was going back-to-back. So did you go back and just listen to it for? No, I just, I just found out. Oh yeah. So now I got to go get off. As much as you complain about not liking like, I just want them to go back to the original. I like the original. You need to go back and and and listen to. It yeah, I do that's what I'm going to go back when we're done to go back to the beginning because I've been through this episode a few times but. And then to also end the show with her as well, because the song they played at the end was an original piece that they did for the show, also sung by Ray Yarborough.

6:48 I was like, OK, this is just this is awesome because I love her voice. Like I like the differences in the different in the different themes for the seasons because it's it's very much regional based on where they are. And I like hearing the different interpretations of it. But there's nothing like that original 1 like that, that one that kind of drew you in and just kind of made you feel like this show was very mystical, you know, back when it was a little more magical, you know, in the beginning. So I, I very much love that. Before we go into the rest of it, Michelle, since you weren't here last week, we got to get your thoughts on a couple of things.

7:31 OK, so let me go to my lovely text Ryan to remind me of what happened. All right, so episode 9, correct? OK, so episode 9 one the first thought they did not kill Lord John, 'cause I'm not watching no more. That's how I was feeling. So what kind of shit is this? Yeah, we're not doing this. We're not doing this second. Well, sure enough, Jamie was looking really great coming out of that water. And then when he was dry, like the oils dried, right, that hair was laid. I was like, oh, he's looking quite yummy there. Yeah.

8:17 Quite yummy even before. What was the name of the guy who took him? Now I forgot. Richardson, Richardson. So it was kind of cool to see. Or did we already know that? So yes, lost track. Did we know he was a traveller? So. He's the guy that I told you when Brianna and the kids were driving away from Lallybrock, when they were trying to escape Rob Cameron, there was a guy who was trying to hold the van open and Brianna smashed his finger in the van and Rob Cameron called out for him. He was like, that's actually Callahan. And I think they didn't really focus on it in the show. Because it was in the book.

9:03 Yeah, but it was in the book. Like, yeah, he was, I won't say a major character, but he's about as major in the books as, let's say, Cleveland or Cunningham was in the show. Because in the books he's presented as an older guy who basically knows some history about the Scottish area. And when Rodger is trying to, he's when they're fixing up Lolly Brock, there is a structure on the grounds that looks like it could have been like an old church. You know, how they used to have like, they, they would have like being small churches, family worship, little areas on the grounds. So he was there to kind of look it over and say, hey, yeah, we can, we can kind of restructure this. We can, you know, we can renovate it. And so he was there a lot getting to know Rodger, getting to know Brianna, getting to know the kids, and then to turn around and find out that he's one of these guys that's like really trying to do all this bullshit to Brianna and the kids.

10:08 So it's a lot more detailed in the book, but in the show it you had to really pay attention to see that that was him in the 19 in 1980. Yeah. So I'm kind of glad they threw it in there like that and just kind of, you know, well. It was it. It was not. It was nice. I'm going to give him an A for his calls. If it was anybody else he kidnapped, we would be fine. And that's, that's you know what I'm saying? So it was a try. Then I was like, OK, let him try, let's see what happens. And then, damn, he was dead. I was like, OK, well, but I do kind of believe her because I was like, how's she going to go with this?

10:53 But she has. They have tried. They have tried. But I feel like from all the stuff we have watched and even in the world, period, they're going to be core moments in life that you just can't change because it drives what has to be done. So, yeah, that would have been great, you know, changing slavery and all. But I think that's just the part of history that needs to be there. And it just has to be there. So but but a for effort, you know, for your goals, for Trump, you know, you didn't make it. But, you know, I am finally, finally glad that John told Jamie off. Let's go back to the part real quick where Jamie said, I forgive you.

11:36 I said forgive you for what? And I'm glad that everybody else in the room knows that too, because even clever that him like, yeah, a hole. What? What are you talking about? I'm like forget, forget, forgive me. Forgive. You know what, get out my house. Thank you for rescue me. See you. So I was so glad that John told him off. Like dude, I'm not some piece on the side of the road, a street that you never met before. Like you have endeared your son to me. Like we had this long lasting friendship over the years. Really. Yeah. It's because you said you wanted to be with me. Dude, it's hard to explain. You were dead. We just had each other. Yeah, we missing you, but you got beat me to like you going to kill me.

12:23 Yeah, yeah. I was finally glad for that, you know what I'm saying? What else? Oh, I know what you was really glad about. Oh, Oh yes, because William finally said something I complained about over every podcast that he does not see the Gray things. It's black and white with his kid, black and white. And he finally said it. So you know what? I feel like someone's listening. See, see, there's two things. Y'all y'all got two things. Two things. Somebody listening? Am I listening? So this is the thing Diana Galbadon wrote that episode. She wrote Episode 9. Right. But that's how we were feeling about this little boy. Because I'm like, honey, everything ain't. You didn't tell me the truth.

13:13 We can't tell you the truth. Yeah. There's something else. I'm like, you know what? I can't with him but now he see it. When she said, well, what is that going to change our future? He was like, you don't want me to lie to you. I was like I said, This is why we need to be watching this together because I needed to have Michelle's facial expressions on film. It it was, it was fantastic. And I'm like, honey, so sorry you're not the one. You're not the one. You're not the one. You will not receive a rose at the end of this episode. I am sorry. Right. Left. Right, so now I I like William again. Yeah, I'm glad he he he definitely, he definitely got his shit together and I'm very happy about that. Right.

14:00 Yeah, so, so for all that episode, that's how they end it was it was a good episode. You hit all the pieces. But I'm going to tell you right now, Jamie was fine like wine boy and dry. It has to it has to be the season 8 glow up or something, because in in this current episode, the final episode, Roger Matt was looking like a a a Mackenzie snack. He is now that boy put some weight on, That's what it is, 'cause I know that too. He, he, he, he, he. He got a little bulky and he got it behind on something. Yeah, he got some. He got some thickness on in my life. Yeah, he does. I I feel that again.

14:41 I was like, oh, I don't. Know if it was clothes or if it's 'cause I know he's doing several other roles. Like he's been picked up for a couple. You know, a couple. Of you know what that could be? I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's married life, 'cause he got married last year during that. I don't know what it is, but Rodger is looking good. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. But OK, let's get into this episode because there are some things, there are just a couple of nitpicky things that I have. And it's not anything major. It's just things that, you know, bothered me, like the fact that when they did the the fiery cross, I was like, the last time you did that, Fergus was, you know, you know what little I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know, Fergus could have been here for all of this.

15:31 So OK, I know we. OK. But something bothered me and I don't know if I should have took it this way, but it did bug me the way they wrote it when Jamie was doing his will. And he's like, you know, Ian is like a son, you know, his nephew who's like a son and to my natural born son. And I don't know, that just rubbed me the wrong way. Like, I get it. Yes, he is your natural born son, but you had another son and obviously you left stuff to his children, his wife. But it just feels real like that, like. It. It felt like my only son is what I. No, it's just that he now because he was dead. I mean, what are we going to say in there to my other son? I leave heaven.

16:16 You know I mean. What? What are we going to say? I felt. Like he could have just been like and to my son, period. But I. Think he probably had to do that because again, up to this point, family knows that William is his son. So you know, if if you're a person of that time and you're going through this will and you know that everybody that he is naming in this will is like his natural family or family to him, then you have this 9th Earl of El Smear that you leaving something to and it's like why you didn't leave anything to Lord John Gray. So why would you leave it to his son? So I think that's probably why he had to put that language in there. And it also was like his it was his final and only an opportunity to publicly say this is my son. I know it just made me mad because I. And then, like William, get to hear it. You get what I'm saying too?

17:14 He wrote it, so will you can hear. It I do feel like that is the thing, like, you know, it's the claiming you everything. He left the the biggest thing to Brianna because she's the oldest. Yeah. And I did love that. I don't know, it just rubbed me the wrong way. Just maybe just because I was just in my feelings about Fergus not being there. I tell you, I feel I've been saying this since Fergus that I was like, it feels like y'all were taking y'all took away one song, one son to replace him with the other and the whole Bible just felt wrong. And you know, the other thing is I, I haven't really watched a lot of the interviews or anything yet this week just because I watched this and I was also dealing with a migraine this week. So I just haven't had a chance to. But I did see where someone, I believe it was, I believe they were doing an interview about Fergus's death. And Matt, Matt was like, well, you know, we felt like there had to be something there for like a big emotional impact for Jamie and Claire this season.

18:20 OK, I get it. But the problem that I have is you made you made such a decision about this huge person. Again, Fergus has been with them longer than any of them. OK, so you make the death about this big person and then you really don't have them dealing with it the way that I feel like they like this was their son. Yeah, we got the little funeral episode. And I understand there's some time jumps and all of this, like from the time that all this happened. It's been about two years. So. Well, yeah, no, it's been a little bit over a year because Brianna was pregnant, but still, it's kind of like y'all could have done without that emotional impact because you didn't even address it in the rest in in the next couple of episodes. But that's again, that's my little nitpick. But that's also because Fergus was one of my favorite characters and I just I I still right now with everything over and done with, I still don't see the that there was a point for his his death.

19:25 Like it didn't do anything for the story because Jamie and Claire didn't even like really they didn't. I know, but they still had to have a death because we couldn't have the kid we. Couldn't have who? The kid, we couldn't have this. The child die. They didn't have to have anybody die. Well, that's in the book. They were. They were going with the books. No, because it has no impact to the story. Well, see, that's the that's the thing. Too many other things that are we going to get to it? This was a beautiful the last two episodes beautiful. But like I said before, some of that stuff early on wasn't needed anyway.

20:05 It didn't help add or do anything to this story. No, because we didn't have a wait. We could have left face stuff. Alone that wouldn't even need it. Y'all just going to just say you taking this child and you raised them as a family but y'all do that with other people. Y'all pick up orphans all the time. They don't have to be the time that's related to you all. The time so. Even in the beginning, looks like you dragged some things out. You didn't have to, you could have just made this 6 episodes. No, they could have just done they could. There's some other things they could have done that I think would have enriched the story. But the faith again, I'm I'm not a fan of what they did with the faith storyline because it makes no sense. Even with the whole thing with the last episode with Fanny picking up the rock and it cracking.

20:52 Literally you did that with Jim and the only the only follow up to that was that in this episode you get the whole thing where Jamie says that Mandy told him that Davey, you know, is. Is like water. Like Jamie. So that means that David can't travel. Y'all didn't have to do a whole faith storyline for that y'all? Right. We, we, we did, yeah. We didn't have to do that. Instead, what you could have done is give me some Easter eggs for blood of my blood. It was the brother, the brother kids or something. You know what I'm saying? Like there's some meet up in the future. We may. Prince by the Prince Charlie. Who is it?

21:34 I want to know. Right. So you know, you could have done that. So you know. And it's also like. So there's a lot of things that they could have just not paid to. Build us up to the fact that Claire's power was going to be the thing at the end and they thought they had to like draw back in the whole master master Raymond story and all that stuff. So people will understand why Claire had this because it's not like they really have focused on her having this power and, you know, another seasons and they just kind of sort of brought it out again. And then, you know, the whole story. And so I guess I feel like they had to tie it into something. But The thing is, like you said, if people aren't heavily into the lore of the of the story, they didn't know what the hell happened at the end anyway.

22:20 Because the measure of book reader, you don't know to look for the blue glow that that apparently was very faint because I wasn't even paying attention for the the blue glow. Because I already knew kind of what was supposed to happen in that scene. Because this scene, this whole battle and everything takes place in book 9, which is the book that has already been, you know, has been out. So I knew that she was going to be able to heal him. I didn't know if that's what they were going to do for the show because apparently they filmed like 4 different finales and even the actors, even the cast didn't know which one they were going to use. But it's like if you weren't that focused on that storyline or if you didn't understand the whole thing about Claire, you know, being one of the travellers who has this ability to heal, it wouldn't make sense to you. Yeah.

23:18 Right. Even. But even bringing in faith, like I didn't even even put that together about her healing and faith at all. Like it didn't even make me think of it. Like only reason I know about the you know, the healing was from two things. One, when they said she come into a full power, she got the the white hair and two, you saw the color with the baby. So that this point in time, if you don't even read the books like I didn't, you're at the end screaming at her heal him. What are you doing? Stop rubbing him. Get the power, get the power. Because that's what I was doing. So I think it feels like the only reason why they even brought the faith storyline in is to show that okay yes, even after hours, if she has that power, you can do it because she literally laid with that man.

24:14 All night, yeah. And into the day, like we really know how long this was. That's. What I was going to bring up to you Hanukkah, remember you had said that thing about Faith the baby was dead and she held the baby the whole day and then all of a sudden it's crying and it's keep passing it on to the lady. And you have said that. So as soon as I saw that, I was like, oh, I see what they did there. That's why I was like, that's the only reason why they brought the Master Raymond face stuff up. It's because they wanted to explain the end, but it didn't explain the end. People who didn't know. Yeah, 'cause I wasn't even put putting that together about that would explain why I just was like she powerful. You know what I'm saying? It's love. Hurry up and do it. What are you waiting for? Where?

24:54 Are you? Like she was. Calling Spirit back what? So now it makes me even mad that Master Raymond did it because, like, that means you were like trying some stuff, that you were doing a science project and it worked. And then now you want to be like, well, you know, can't find your mom, dude. That's not the time to do the science project. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, in the end, OK, The end result, Michelle got her notebook ending and then I got my happily ever after because she did kill him and bring him back to life. Because it's like basically when you see them and her hand drops, I said, did they really kill these motherfuckers Like. She did, and that was my.

25:37 Heart. Heartbreak, it just felt like. I was like, yes. Oh. But it but it was very appropriate for what it for what it was. I was like, OK, I really don't want them to die, but if this is how they're going to die, I was good with it. I was like, OK, you know what? I've made my peace with this. This is the show ending is not the book ending. We don't know how the book is going to end. So I was like, you know what? They did a really good job with that. Just the way she wouldn't let go of his body. And she was just kind of like, she was feral. I mean, Clara used the word fuck in the last two episodes. They said they were going to get it in before the end.

26:18 She was like, don't you fucking touch him? I was like, OK, when when she seemingly died as well and we got the little montage. I said, OK, you know what? I'm actually OK with this. And then they come back to them and they thought they she's got the white hair, I said. I mean, it was white. Literally I was sitting on my couch like this, like Yep, give it to me. Wait, got to give it to me and then they both of them. I was like, yeah. Eyes open. Perfect timing guys. They did great. Eyes open, breath at the same time. Listen, I was like, yes, because you do leave it open for the story to continue later on. And again, they've not ruled out the fact that, Oh yeah, we might come back to this later on.

27:03 We may do a you know, we may do a movie once the 10th book is. Out. It may pop up in blood, in my blood, you never know. They can do that too. I. Like the fact that they actually left it kind of open-ended. It's like if you wanted them to die at the end, you can have that. But also, so yes, there's this thing where she she healed him, she brought him back to life and now they can go back now. But here's the thing. Y'all in in in 1780? Yep, that's what I was thinking. Your ass was dead overnight. We went to go back to the Ridge and and people are going to be like, oh anger, this is a witch. Yep.

27:48 Yeah, yeah. But I think the way they explained. It in the book, I think she kind of she kind of explained it like he wasn't actually dead. He was kind of in a coma. He was. I think that's how she explained it because I I hope. So that he was bleeding out. The mouth with her being. Able to that's true when you have blood out your mouth, it's over it's. Over. Yeah, but OK, so here's my gripe. Here's my only gripe about the whole death scene and everything. Y'all didn't check that fucker before y'all? Just that's what I said too. I said how you going to arrest somebody and you didn't get that good. I'm mad at you.

28:29 I'm mad at whoever was over there. You know one of the twins where the other twin at That's. Why? Who was it? Was was it one of the twins? I can't remember. I don't know, I'm just blaming it because both twins should have been there. I don't understand why 1 twin? Was like it was too. He was at home with Lizzie and the kids. All the other men was gone. He. Was he was it was like 2 randos who just picked him up off the ground. I'm like nobody searched his food. Nobody thought. No, nobody. Nobody. Yeah. So let me tell So Dina didn't hear the story. Hanukkah did somewhat yesterday. So I I was yesterday in bed sick. I was like, let me go ahead, watch my episodes in the middle of our call.

29:12 Hanukkah. I can't do this. I don't want to finish this. I can't. I'm already started crying. Push through. I can't keep going. You you gonna love it. Just keep going. I said I don't know. We are to the deaf scene here. I'm over here. Like hell no. What is happening? The person I'm related to by marriage. Come in the room then he ain't looking at the TV. He immediately gets on the bed over me and he was like, are you? Crying I see blocking the TV and did not push the moment. Timing was bad. Turn look like well, what you watching?

29:53 Really. Oh, is he dead? Oh God. And he's telling me about this. Last night we recorded. I mean, he was over me and I pushed him get out the way. I said, I said, did you watch it with her? He said, so let me tell you what happened. I was like, oh Lord. He was like, yeah. He said, I'm looking at me. He said I didn't even realize what she was watching. I was just like, are you crying? And she was like, yes, he's there. Can you get out my? Wall and I pushed him over because literally I need to see what's going to happen here because since she was this is the part where she was like about she stretched out and I'm like, oh, here we go. Here we go.

30:35 Right, Yeah, yeah, Michelle's. So I. Missed the blue at that point to be complete, I didn't even get to see the blue 'cause it went on to the next scene and which was beautiful. Yeah. Which basically means oh. That. Sucks. What comes first, chicken or the egg? Right. I will say this, yes, an avid show watcher, as a book reader, as someone who has done multiple panels about time travel, I will say that scene, I may have to watch it a couple more times to kind of understand it because it is that whole what comes first, the chicken in the head? Because if you're looking at if you're looking at it the way they presented it, you got Jamie's ghost, you got him looking up at Claire.

31:27 You have him leaving, he goes to the stone. So this is a Jamie who who already knows that Claire is a time traveller. You know, this is this is maybe later season 1, early season 2 Jamie, who knows who she is and is like, OK, this is the stone that she's on. When he went to go touch the stones, I said, OK, if y'all about to flip the script and and like I thought they were about to do something weird like OK, now Jamie can come to I. I didn't know what I was thinking when he touched the stones and he was like, OK, yeah. And he turns around and walks off and then the forget me nots just kind of bloom there. I'm like, OK, so are they saying that Jamie went to the future or his ghost was there and planted the forget me nots in order for her to come then?

32:17 But then that's weird because again, like how would you even know who she is until she came back? So it's it's because. It is because he's dead. And The thing is, she didn't do what Rodger said she was supposed to do when he died. Because when you do those rights and do whatever you needed to, he was going to go and send to heaven, right. Even now, I don't know. Jamie killed a lot of people. So but we going to say heaven. But he was in the in between place. He was in. Yeah. So in that in between place, he walked around and waited for us. So one of the things he did was he went to go visit her and he saw her. And then he he knows that one of the things she wanted that made her return to the rocks was the.

32:57 Forgive me, nots. Me nots so that's what I'm saying. So what being but? He didn't know that until she told him. Right. But then it's just. This is because time is never. Time is a construct. Right, right. And then he. Died and became all knowing in the afterlife. Right. It's forward and backwards, forward and backwards. Sideways and then come back come. To me. That's why time travel is a bitch. That's why I don't. I don't like talking about you. Present your you. Present yourself in your best form to you. So to him, that was his best form. And when they first was like in their most passionate. So he was drawn to her in that time period. Yeah.

33:42 And, and because also they had discussed previously when he asked her, would she have not wanted to see those flowers? Like if she could change things or whatever and she's like, Oh no, I will see them flowers every lifetime. Like basically, you know, so I think that was in his subconscious and he took that to the afterlife with him. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. And then he and then they flash through their flash, through their life. Yeah, because then you say in the 10th book she's also going to explain that. So maybe she gave them that little piece about what it meant. OK, so she still didn't say. No, that was, that was their version of that was their interpretation. OK, OK.

34:24 Yeah, because I think. Someone which I don't think she can go that much off of that because this makes the most sense. Yeah, possible. Yeah, because I think someone asked her a question on her Facebook page and asked her if anything that they used for these last last couple of episodes is that stuff that she has in the book. And her answer was hell no. So basically she's like, no, this is their own thing. This is base stuff. So we'll still get the Jamie the Jamie ghost explanation, but it won't necessarily be what this is. Which I from the beginning, I said it wouldn't make sense for her to put her 10th book stuff in the show anyway, because again, if you're a book fan, you don't want it. You want to be able to read the conclusion of a story, especially if you've been reading these books for 30 something years since they came out. You don't want the book ending spoiled for you in the show. So that's why that's also why I didn't have a problem with it being being different.

35:31 Like if she kills them in the book at the end or if you know, because again, she's already healed him and and go tell the bees I am gone. So whatever is going to happen in the 10th book, I think if something else happens, if there's another battle, which, Oh my God, I hope it's not because when I say this man cannot stop fighting. This is. It but if if something like that does happen in the 10th book, I feel like at that point he kind of has to die. Like if you think about it, we always joke about the fact that Jamie has 9 lives like a cat. There's in books. That means that he's practically almost died in every single book.

36:14 So he almost has to in the 10th book I feel like, but you know, I don't want him to die. But that's just, you know. Maybe that's his magic that he has all these lives and these these he can survive most things. I mean, because he's what isn't he? What does he hear? What does he see go? What does he see? Is it ghosts in the books or he can see what was it? He he can, he has visions of like the future. No, the future, that's what it is, yeah. Yeah, which is so. It's just so that is so funny to me because I remember when that first started and I was like, how's he getting vision of the future? But I mean a story with time travel. There was a black thing.

36:57 Wasn't like Jim on the phone or something else? Right. He saw Mickey Mouse. I'm like, what? OK, OK, OK, sure. Now I'm like you know what it don't even matter we in time travel. We we time travel, it's already a a fantasy, right? Right. Right now we got to talk about this battle because at first I did not want the entire episode focusing on the battle, but I think the way that they did it, I didn't. It was. It was good. They did a really good like the goodbyes, like they really, they really pulled our heartstrings at the beginning of the episode that first, you know, like maybe 15 minutes because you have all of the goodbyes. And you also realize this is like literally the cast saying goodbye to each other and to the characters. And, you know, I was, I was a little sad that we didn't get like a moment with everyone together. But again, it's kind of like the way that they handled it, I think it was great.

37:58 Like we got to have kind of, you know, Jamie got his happy ending with Lord John and William in the last episode. You know, he made his amends with Lord John. He made his amends with William. He gave him the look back to say, hey, you know what? I'm not I'm not abandoning you. We got that moment. We got the the kind of closure with him and Marsley, even though again, yes, I'm kind of upset that we didn't see more of her in Ferguson this season. But you know what? It was a beautiful goodbye. And that's how that's one thing they do really well with the characters. Even with Ian and Rachel, you know, Rachel walking him up to the house and then she was like, Nope, this far enough. This is this is the limit to where I'm going. You go do your thing and you bring your ass back home. You know, is it was just the emotion was great. And then you get to the fighting and I got to say I did not feel any kind of sympathy when Hiram Crombie fell. I was like, see you later, Sir.

39:09 And fighting like a beast, Buck. Oh my gosh. Buck is bringing some Dougal energy to to this fight. Like I'm like, yeah, you get it from your daddy. You get it, honestly. You get it from your daddy. Yes, because the way he was whacking and shooting and saving this person and saving that, I was like, OK, yes. Bringing Buck back I think was one of the best decisions they made for this final season. Having him come in, having him being a part of the family, you know, just kind of really getting in there with the family. Like, OK, you know what, I'm 10 toes down for y'all. I'm going to do whatever Buck like.

39:52 Best decision of the eighth season was bringing him back. Yes, that that was, yes. But yeah, I 'cause I text Hunko about Ian. I was like, he was all in and then Buck was right beside him. Yeah, but again, that's the way him and Fergus used to fight. But you know. Right. And then there was Claire. Girl let me tell you it ain't bad enough. You already have PDPTSD that we've seen in in season 1 from you being in wars. Now you going to go traipsing through the forest in the middle of an active battle to go find your husband? You lose your medical bag and the only thing you can say is shit it was.

40:49 Right there, Claire, just pick it up. But see, when you had so many bullets and stuff, I text Hongo. I said, you know, God knows I love Anthony, but I am not tracing through a battle. OK, up ahead. For him I will wait till the battle ends and then go seek forth. Because how many times did she almost get her head blown? Out several times. Come on. I said, you know what, it's not He will go die. She is. Like he told you and Roger Mack, the priest or the preacher and the healer, stay behind and here she come running up the hill.

41:31 I was like. And she almost got him messed up because she distracted him the first time he almost died. Yep, like Claire, I understand you. You're worried about him, but I need you to make some better decisions, girl. That's probably the reason why you don't really need to know your fate, because they were doing so much to try to stop it that they all they made it worse really. Yeah, And you make stupid decisions. Yeah. You know, because her whole thing, she's sitting there. I'm. I'm sitting here looking at this scene now where she's rolling up the band aids and she starts packing a bag and Roger's looking at her like, Claire, she was like, don't you fucking try to stop me.

42:12 I was like. Oh. Here we go. Here we go. Like. You not made a bulletproof, you know. She's not. You know, been shot before. Ma'am Right, right. And I don't know if that blue light will will work on you right I. Don't know if you. Can do that. I don't know if you can self heal, but I mean in the end I guess, I guess it worked out. And. Then they get shot and and got shot in the heart too. That's the thing. Or or close enough to it, but I was. Just like that was perfect. I, I I.

42:55 Felt some kind of way about that gunshot. I was like, oh y'all gave us a Matthew Crawley in Downton Abbey type death. Like we want y'all to know this dude is dead. That's how I felt like that hurt me to my heart. I was like oh wait it wasn't even A to the show. No y'all made sure that we knew. OK no this dude is dead. How was she going? To have to bring him back from the dead, it ain't going to be no oh, I can fix this. I can sew you back up right. And she had to use her power. She had to. She had to. And it was close range. Yeah, but I mean, also, like I said it, it would have been OK if if they had died there together because I don't think she of course, I don't think Claire really like we pay attention to the whole thing that like out of the way he told her long time ago because we're looking for those signs.

43:56 I think Claire has probably like forgotten about that for so long up until she saved the baby. But again, that baby was only a few minutes dead, so she probably is like, I can't heal this man overnight. Like, I'm sitting here, I'm holding him. I'm. And I think she was even thinking about it too. Yeah. So she's like, OK, you know what? I just OK, I guess I'm just going to lay down here and die with him. I didn't said all my goodbyes to my to my folks. Fanny's going to be taken care of. Which I felt really bad for that baby because she was like you promised. Y'all told me y'all wasn't going to leave me and I wasn't going to be alone and here y'all go leaving again and I feel so bad for her.

44:43 But I mean. She was a blot device. They do take her in, they do take care of her, but she is not related to them and they don't make any any suggestions that she is because in the books fan, you know, Faith did not live. But OK, however that goes it, it, it I guess it's working out. You know, they wake up on the thing. I know Brianna's going to look at her Mama like we need to go, we need to go make you some some hair dye something because what is this look? What is this all white look? But. Yeah, yeah, like that.

45:26 So witchy. I was like, I guess it's good we don't know exactly what's happening because I know they're trying to hang her right by now. Girl, who you? Telling. Or no, ain't nobody messing with her, you know. After that. That too, Yeah, yeah, 'cause if I can bring somebody back from the dead, I wish you would come try to try to bomb my house or try to set fire to my house or try to do come, come try your luck. I'll just say it. Do we know if Cleveland died or not? Because I don't recall seeing him at the end. And I was like, I really hope he died. They could they show? I can't remember if he was.

46:11 Went like when Jamie dropped and everybody was kind of surprised and everybody OK, they got me with the getting on their knees to pay to pay tribute. I was like, y'all, I, I can't, I can't, I can't do this, I can't do this. Like y'all cannot kill this man. Even though I was OK with it, I was still like, but I don't recall seeing Cleveland. Yeah, I don't either. To be fair, they did kind of focus on Buck, they focus on Ian and. Yeah, they did. I don't. Because everybody came in and got a shot and a stab. Oh yeah, I was like. All right.

46:53 Yeah, one of the twins. But look, one of the twins, I think that was Josiah. He just saved Jamie by throwing an axe at someone. Yeah. And like, like I said, Hiram Crombie, he's really the only one that I'd like really recognize from that group that, you know, kind of went across the line with Cunningham and stuff. But I was just like, OK, yeah, you know what you need? If if they're showing you so much, they keep showing us you, you, you're going to die. You're going to die. You're not going to die is you're going to get your come up is and it's going to be great. And yeah, but what else? I'm I am glad that we did get one last love scene with Jamie and Claire.

47:42 It's very sweet. Oh, and we have a couple of new listeners that have been following us from like threads and YouTube and and Tumblr. I think I restarted my Tumblr account like 2 weeks. We got a couple. So hello to the new people. I got an e-mail from one of them, Courtney, last week, and she was saying that because I was saying I couldn't remember, I thought Claire and Jamie were kind of like in their 70s or near their 70s. And she reminded me that this battle was taking place in 1780. I was, for some reason thinking 1790. So in this particular episode, Claire is 64 and Jamie is 59.

48:28 OK. Yeah. So still still young, very young to be dying. And yeah. So I love the fact that we did get one last one last scene with them. But also, I think, I think we discussed this a few weeks ago, but I was also, I couldn't, I couldn't just look at the scene because I almost felt like. Fast forwarded. I I felt like I was looking, looking at my parents. At this point, I'm like, no, I've been, I've literally watched them from being babies to being old people. It felt, it felt disrespectful. I was like, I was like, I can't do it. But it was a beautiful scene.

49:11 But I was just like, no. I was just like, you know, OK, I know this is like the last who were I got up in the tent. Yeah, and I'm like the other men didn't bring their wives. A girlfriend chasing Jamie at every battle. Or side pieces. Jamie is like, look, if I'm going to die, I'm going to at least get me some good loving to to take that feeling on into the afterlife, I guess. Yeah, me too. That's distracting. Stop idiots so you can fight you using up all your energy dude. Because and then first of all, in the tents, you loud. So we we know what's going on. They wouldn't.

49:52 They wouldn't. Oh, Speaking of the devil or Fast forward again. It's crazy how I used to be so into this and now I'm like. It just, it feels, it feels very voyeuristic now. Yeah. So I Fast forward. You know I also. Think after the thing, after how he took, how he treated her, after Lord John also still leaves a bad taste in my mouth when he basically was like you a whore and you like sex, so you probably really loved it. And it just that kind of bothered me that he did that. And so I think that's another reason why I just don't even care to see them together. OK. Yeah, that's that's still I was like, no, you ain't slut shame of her, but you like it nasty.

50:41 Yeah, I mean, it's been 2 years, Jamie, you need to get over a lot of stuff, but OK. But yeah, I'm, I'm sitting here looking at you drop dude off. Nobody's checking him for weapons. Nope, it just it. It doesn't. And why he ain't tie up period? If you ain't going to kill him, why is he just loose? Right feet and hands, your hands are loose enough to get and and the other thing is at least Jamie and Buck because again, I can't remember if Cleveland was there.

51:22 Y'all have military backgrounds right? While you're sitting here talking shit to this man on the ground and you see him doing all this fumbling. Why didn't nobody say hold up stop him? Wouldn't what is he doing with this? He have where y'all just so. And I get it. Jamie probably was just so happy about the fact that he didn't die in battle. And if you think about it, Frank's book didn't say he died in battle. It said he died on Kings Mountain in this thing, you know what I'm saying? So it's like you shouldn't have, you shouldn't have relaxed until no ass off the mountain.

52:06 Yeah, till you were back home. Right. You should not have relaxed, but they were definitely celebrating. And but yeah, it doesn't look like Cleveland's around. Yeah. And then also even even with Ferguson and with Ferguson's other men. Yeah, I was sitting there. Y'all, y'all are like standing around. But nobody has guns trained on him like Jamie. Yeah, he went over there with the sword, but you can't take a knife to a gunfight. Yeah, nobody's sitting there guarding any of these people. They just standing around shooting their guns, celebrating.

52:48 And what? They are none of them looking. Yeah. Who? Are they looking at while Jamie was talking? Yeah. Nobody was looking. None of none of them are are tied up. And also I realized this is slow MO that, you know, Jamie's falling on the ground. Y'all should have been rushing to him the moment the moment you heard the gunshot. Yeah, somebody should have been over there. The fact that Ian was still standing there, like, that's the I think that's the part that bothers me because, you know, yeah, now all y'all want to come and y'all want to shoot this guy 567 times and then blood in him to death.

53:32 But the damage has already been done and Jason has been on the ground. Nobody has nobody has come to his aid while he's on the ground. Like y'all just sitting there, Ian is just sitting there standing like dude, you've actually seen this man get shot before and and been there and like why are y'all just standing there? I think that's probably what really made me upset as far as as far as his death scene because nobody else was really trying to help him except for Claire I. Just feel like I guess in some ways it just, I feel like a lot of it was shock and then anger and all these different things. But like, it does, it did seem weird to me that even once they did murder him, they just stood there and she had to like come across empty space because like, nobody was there. Yeah, it's like, and and again, I I get it, the shock and stuff, but this ain't the first time that y'all been in a situation like this, especially for Ian and would have ran his ass over there.

54:40 You know who would have ran over there? Fergus? I'm just saying. Oh Lord. Fergus would have been the first one over there. Yeah, this, this is like, that's why you can't, man. He learn from Oberyn and Game of Thrones. You cannot be monologuing, you got. No, that was a. That was a rookie mistake, Jamie Rookie. Mistake. Yeah, that that really was a oh, I didn't die in this battle. I'm I'm I'm ecstatic. And this is that that is counting your chickens before they hatch. You know, that is that is celebrating before you cross the finish line.

55:29 You know it. Yeah. Just it it didn't make sense. None of that made sense to me that y'all, y'all let this man have a gun, Y'all weren't really guarding them properly. And then when he gets shot, y'all just standing there looking at disbelief like, Oh my God, he got shot. Yeah. I didn't know how serious it was young. Somebody could have been over there putting some pressure on waiting. You know, somebody could have been like, go get Claire, get Claire, right. Yeah. I mean, she was literally just right there. So I think that's the those are, like I said, I only had minor gripes with the episode, but the rest of it, I think they did a really beautiful job with ending the series. They did.

56:20 You know, they it it just whenever you're ending something this epic and also when you have a built in fan base because of the books, you're not going to please everybody, right? But I think they really did take time and care with the story and with the with the characters, except for Fergus. And you know, I, I think they brought it to a really good conclusion. Then, you know, like we said at the end, Claire is just like Claire does not, I don't even know if this is her not believing that he's dead or she's just in denial when she's like, no, he just needs to rest. He just needs to rest. I mean, literally when you come walking back with Jamie and they're like, what the hell happened? She said I told y'all he just needed to rest. Needed to rest.

57:10 He was bad. Yeah. She she was devastated for it. For all the shows that we have watched the endings to like this is in the top. To be a completely honest, I feel like it should be satisfying to both regular show watchers and book readers. Well, especially for book readers, because it didn't. It doesn't end, so it leaves it again open in the books to to carry on. And then we as the TV watchers are going to have to read the book, or at least after this part to find out what happens to them. Yep. Time to get on that read.

57:51 OK, it could be I read the next book. Look, see, I'm good for skipping them. Read the next book to come out, 'cause then I can move forward. But they really did 'cause I, I'm like sitting here thinking all the shows that I absolutely loved in the last show. My gosh, I don't even know what happened. I can tell you the worst and this is closer to the best. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And then we get the cute little we get the cute little post credits scene. Which which I said. Yeah. And and that's another thing that some people are confused about because they're like, I didn't understand the post credit scene. So basically what it is, is just like going to a Diana Gabaldin book signing with the Outlander.

58:42 And that was actually the original, well, not the original original, but that was the first Outlander cover that they did. And I actually have a copy. Of one. Because I definitely said what if they do a little cute little thing I have? A copy of it found this in a thrift store. So it's cute because you have Diana sitting there signing books. She's talking to somebody. And the cute thing about that scene is the people who were standing in line were all crew members from the show and the books on the shelf.

59:22 Those particular crew members, they came up with the their own book titles based on the type of job that they did on the show. So I thought that was really cute. But what people didn't understand was when the person was asking Diana about the, the, the little journal over on the side and she was like, oh, it's just a little inspiration. Somebody was like, I don't understand what that means. I'm like, y'all skipped over that part where he was taking her journal in the last episode and she said she was writing their stories. So the way I took it is like, you know, Diana Gabaldon, the author, found this journal and she used. That desperation for Claire's story, yes. Yeah, so Claire, Claire and Jamie's story got told. And yes, we're we're assuming that they're living happily ever after on the Ridge because probably after this point, Claire was like, you can't fight and nothing else. But then when they really, really die again, I need to be in another notebook again.

1:00:26 What I mean, when they die of old age, they're going to be in their rocking chair holding hands. Yeah, it's time, Yeah. When they older, older, yes, in the 90s at the rocking chair and all the kids and grandkids are playing in the yard. Yeah, 'cause. The next war is like the word 1812. Probably so like, I need jobs tonight. Yeah, Jamie is in retirement at that point, you don't need to do nothing else. He will be what, in 1812? He'll be, what, 5969, almost 80 years old. He he don't need to be doing that. He don't need to be fighting at 59.

1:01:07 But this is Jamie. I mean, he's still a he's still a man in very good shape. He's still very Yeah, so. But good lucky, Yeah, I, I actually, I, I really enjoyed the way that they ended this very much. So. I think it was very beautiful. I love the the throwback, seeing Jamie in the square as a ghost, seeing Frank come up to him. I I just enjoyed it. And I will say this too, I didn't cry as much as I thought I would watching this episode because I don't know, it's like most of what happened in this episode because it happened in bees already. I knew what was going to happen.

1:01:51 I knew he wasn't going to die, die. So I think I was just able to watch it and just enjoy it and and appreciate it without being overly devastated about it. Because we do still have the books. If we still want to continue the story. We do still have Blood of My Blood, which no, it's not Jamie and Claire's story, but it's the it's the prequel to their story. So we do still get some Outlander stuff. And this, now that the story is over, now that the show is over, I can go back and reread the books and not try to keep track of what happened here, what happened there, Because that was kind of hard for me to do, especially with the last two books because they did take some things and kind of twisted around a little bit. I was like, OK, I might not be getting my facts right. So yes, I am looking forward to going back and doing a full reread and just kind of enjoying the story. And hopefully we'll get some more Book 10 news at some point. And what is her goal?

1:02:59 To have that done. I don't know. I think right now her it's, it's at. I think she may still be writing it. But I mean, we do have a title. We have gotten some snippets. What's the title? What's the title? A blessing for a warrior going out. Yeah, Yeah. Well, lesson for a warrior going out. I was like, so you're basically telling us that he's going to die? In things which you know. Is this the last book?

1:03:39 Yes, Yeah, yeah. This is book 10, supposedly. Now she's always said book 10. I think I saw one interview somewhere where she said it may be, it may not be the last book, but I think it, I mean, I think it's the last. It's the last book. I would assume she doesn't want to spend like the rest of her life just writing these books, especially since they take so long to write and, you know. Yeah. With history, she has to like incorporate and which is always been very fascinating about her writing is the the history she has definitely had to like really learn some stuff. Yeah.

1:04:23 Yeah, so but. I love these old seeds. I know I'm looking at them now too. I'm just like, they were such babies. Babies. And I went to her. I'm on her website trying to see you to. Take your hands off my wife. I was. Yes, get to that seat. Sorry, I don't know when I will finish book 10, much less when it will be published. I am limiting travel in 2026 to work on it. Yeah, it takes a while to write a 800 page novel. No one told you to do that. Cut it down to four. Give me the book at one Part 2 if. You if you've read the books. I know, I'm just joking with her, she can break it down a little bit.

1:05:08 I also do all the historical and other background research that is required. Yeah. If you are if you are curious about my writing process, please see these links below. Oh yeah, she like her manuscripts when she turns them into her publisher. Her manuscripts are like this. Like literally you have to. Pare it down and edit. And which that's a job I would not want because Anne Rice used to be real particular about not letting people really edit her work. And I'm like my sister, my sister. I need you to stop mentioning them Booga Villas. Nobody cared about the flowers. You talk about them every page. Somebody should have edited this.

1:05:51 Don't. Have to be there about to wake up. I know, look how white her hair is. So crazy. It was perfect timing. Yeah, 'cause I mean, it's, it's almost like somebody was there and they were like, OK, open your eyes and they open the eyes and they both, yeah, it was, I'm so glad. I mean, it was, it was great, but it's over now. I can't believe it though. I can't believe it. I remember, 'cause I, I just remember I 'cause like you, Michelle, it was Hanukkah pulling us in, pulling us all in.

1:06:34 It wasn't that you love the finale, I don't think. I think I was probably a little before that, but it was definitely 'cause Season 2. So Mars was season 2. It was about the finale right before it because they did a they did a marathon of all of season 1 and all of season 2 leading up to the season 2 finale. So I literally got done with season 2 just in time to start a live watch of the season 2 finale. OK, so maybe it was the season 2. I just know it was you it. Was your fault? Yeah, Yeah, it was. I wanted to watch. It and then I didn't have stars and I'm like, I'm not paying for stars. But then it was like, OK, maybe I should pay for stuff. Yeah, and I was having to watch it on I. Was cleaning up and I saw I said oh they got a marathon going on OK and and it's about to start.

1:07:26 I was like, OK, I guess I can watch a couple of episodes while I'm cleaning up and, and 8-9 hours later cleaning up is not even thought of. I, I finally went to sleep like 4 O clock in the morning. I got up the next morning about 9 immediately started watching finished out season 1 eight watch season 2. And it's so funny because my younger daughter at the time, she wasn't watching it with me, but she was coming downstairs, you know, to, to come get food or to come whatever, whatever. So she would see an episode and she would just kind of stand there and look for a few minutes and then she'd go. And then I think she came downstairs during the pressing pans battle and then during something else. And then when they started the colliding episode, she literally she came downstairs, she sat down with me. And then she watched the finale, the Season 2 finale with me. And then after it was over, she looked at me. She said, you know you, you know, we got to start from the beginning, right?

1:08:32 Yep. Let's go ahead. So that was that was the beginning of my addiction. But yeah, it's it's been a really fun ride. I definitely, definitely agree. I got really like the thing that kind of got me because at first I was like, Oh my God, these freaking Scottish men, what are they doing? It's so being. But the thing that got me was like Frank's ancestor looking just like Frank but being like this totally different person. And I was like, oh, oh, this is interesting. Like what's happening here. And then, yeah, it just from there, I was just like, OK, because I was so bad about how they were treating her when they first caught up to her. And I was just like, yeah, but you know what? I'm gonna say this about I'm gonna say this about Episode 1, Claire, when you find yourself in a strange place found strange minutes see through shift and and they're trying and and and you kind of peep that something ain't right. I'm a need you to stop running off at the mouth. I'm a need to speak.

1:09:35 Just. Pay attention to what's going on. You lucky, you ready to the right one. You get what I'm saying? Just hide like don't yeah, go running off trying to find folks just. Hire cause guess what? Your Mama didn't run into the right one. But I mean, she didn't either. I mean, think about it. She ran into Blackjack first and just yeah. Right, it was. The But then the second group, she got lucky. Yeah, her Mama was kidnapping. Sold. Yeah. Yeah. That was wow. I mean, she was just kidnapped and and taken to the, you know, taking to they said I am married and they. Were like, we don't. Care.

1:10:17 We owe this man money. But it it's, it's been a, it's been a great ride. I am going to miss the show. I guess at some point I will probably do a rewatch from the beginning. But we still like, like I said, we still have the books, we still have conventions. I got confirmation this morning that I will be moderating the Outlander and blood of my blood panels at Dragon Con this year. So that's fun. And then also my big announcement, which I have been holding on to for like 2 months now. So the Outlander convention that I have been mentioning for the last few months, lancon that's taking place in October in Texas, I have actually been invited to be one of the featured guest moderators for that convention. So I will be still immersing myself in Outlander goodness. I am excited about that opportunity and I'm looking forward to it.

1:11:14 I was already going to the convention as a fan anyway, so now being able to take part of it, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. But I will in the show notes, I will post some links for that particular convention so you can just see who we have coming. We have a great. Guest. David Berry, Lord John Gray, we've got, we've got William coming. We've got galas, we've got. They just announced Tony Curran, who is Lord Lovett from Blood of my blood. They just announced him a few days ago. We've got Buck coming for a day. It's it's going to be a great convention. I'm looking forward to it.

1:12:01 But yes, it'll it'll get me through permanent drought Lander, I guess. I know, I know. Like we don't have any more countdowns for drought Lander. We don't have any I'm. So coming. Next, but now I need to go and watch all of these millions of interviews that they've been doing because they did do something at the Paley Center last week. I haven't had a chance to watch that. If you watch Josh Horwitz's stuff and saw where a few years ago he did like a couples therapy skit with Sam and Katrina, they just did a follow up for that.

1:12:46 So I need to go watch that. So there's still plenty of Outlander stuff out there, but the show is over. I'm sad. Yeah. I'm glad that for the most part everybody got their happy ending except for I mean, we even got to see Marsley with her spinning wheel looking happy. I was like, OK, I I feel happy. But yeah, I think Fergus got the shaft on this one. I I'm gonna forever be mad about that so y'all don't have to do my boy like that but. The riders on site I see you on, it's gonna be on site for taking my Fergus.

1:13:29 Right, but do you guys have any final thoughts about the final episode of Outlander? That's going to hurt every time I say, 'cause I'm. Just like, yeah, that's, that's like you just think, Oh, well, it'll just be, you know, next next year or a year and a half, but. This was it. It's yeah. And it's so long to be be on a show for so long. It's is, you know, back in the day, they used to do soap operas and shows where they would just be contracting. They would just be on the show for all they like. You know, Erica, Erica Kane. It's, you know. Victor Newman, but like. They don't do this.

1:14:10 Like there's not shows that just do this a lot. Yeah, not at, not at prime time TV, not. Like that, I mean, it's just. It's very rare they they hit 101 episodes. Yeah. So that's. Which is great. Yeah, I think some stars would like that, but they don't make it. That's the thing, the show get cancelled. Through the pandemic, right? Yeah, a lot of shows didn't. Right, that's The thing is like they the I won't say like movie stars be wanting these type of jobs, but the show don't last. Yeah. And just snaps for their attention to detail and just even if they didn't go exactly like the books or have some of the storylines annoyed us, I overall like this is one of the best shows they've like this is. They did they.

1:14:55 Did a great job with the show like. And people staying on the show too, because you know how you'll get with actors. But I don't want to play it anymore and we got to get used. To. Yeah. Who do we lose? Just basically Jenny changed. Obviously Fergus had to change 'cause he grew up, but for the most part it was just the same folks, you know? Yeah, for the most part. So. So now we got to wait until August for blood of my blood So. Which is not not long. I'm you know what? I ain't mad at it. It's not long. I know.

1:15:35 But you know, also Outlander has been taking up a lot of our podcast face over the last year. So, you know, we we do talk about other shows. I think we're going to get around to talking to some of the about some of these. Other shows but to get me to get me to continue reading this book we may have to podcast by the book listen you. Can say nothing but a word. You ain't said nothing but a word. Because we got we have the regular books, we have the Lord John books, we have the novellas. Good. Look. No, let me say that. Let me finish my Shadowhunter read first. OK? All of the Shadowhunter books. I'm actually. Almost done with. Those I think I have. I have one more book and two more novellas to read and then I'm done with that.

1:16:20 So anytime after that girl, I'm gay, let's do this. We can do this would be great. So and you we even put the book in half. You mean like, OK, we got the half. The book and then the other half. Yeah, let's break this book up. Yeah. I I've. Seen shows where they. Look up over here, like grab the book. How many pages? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot, but yeah, we'll. Figure that out. But yeah, we can, we can keep some Outlander content going and, you know, we can always do a rewatch 'cause, I mean, we didn't even start covering the show on this podcast until season 6. So, you know, man, it's been that long. I mean, what is?

1:17:03 Yeah. Or was it Season 5 let. Me. See, man, I don't know. I think it was season. It was season 5 or season 6. OK, We started. Yeah. Was it the season before Malva? Yes. Yeah, so that's 'cause I thought I was. Gonna have a heart. Attack with her. And her daddy let me tell you them episodes with child talking about Malva child. They used to have me in my car yelling at the girl. Oh my God. And it's worse. Than a book. So yeah, I was like, if I could come through that screen. First of all, I just want her daddy just get on the horse and die. And then after I was like, well shit, your daughter ain't much better.

1:17:49 Gosh, we could listen. We could have had a drinking game with. Michelle talking about Tom Christie needing to get on a horse and die and die. That used to have me laughing. So hard. Oh God. So yeah, maybe we'll do some. Revisits and we will do some book discussions, but I guess we got to figure out something. Else to. Talk about to have you ladies on because I think I'm about to start pulling the guys. I know people are like, OK, are the guys even still on the show? Yes, they are. Everybody's just everybody's schedules have been kind of crazy. I think we are going to go ahead and finish covering the Boys season, Season 5, because we kind of stopped midway through season 4 because it just got to be a lot and we just never picked it back up.

1:18:39 But we do have a final season of The Boys and I really would like to finish covering that one because that was the first show that we actually started covering when when the podcast started. Our first episode was The Boys season 2 episode 1. So I kind of want to finish that out. And then Michelle, Casey and I are about to get back in our Walking Dead thing. We've got Walking Dead Dead City coming up in July, the third season. We still need to talk about Daryl Dixon season 3. So we got some other stuff we need to we need to talk about and we'll get Dina on, which I have not watched. I know I I haven't even.

1:19:20 Because I watch it for us to record, so I'm like, I don't even know. What's going? I don't know. That's OK, We'll we'll get it done. But luckily I haven't seen any spoilers. But I saw a spoiler for this, but not really a spoiler. I just. Saw them laying on the rock and I said oh Lord, somebody's dead. And then I swipe real quick. Oh yeah, because people that that's the reason why I. Stayed up Friday night and I watched it because I said I know the moment I get online on Saturday, I mean on Friday morning, it's going to be over. And literally this episode, the episode before it and the episode where Fergus died, I found out through Google, the Google homepage, because I'm at work looking up something else.

1:20:05 And it was one of the like trending stories or tops top stories. And I was like, really like, it ain't even been out eight hours y'all, Y'all can't give people time to to watch it. But that's the I think at this point that's becoming a an argument that's just not going to get one because people. Have to, you know, they feel like they have to be the first to talk about it. They have to be the first to post their reactions in the post spoilers and stuff. But it's another reason why I stay off most social media when I'm ready to watch something or when I haven't had a chance to watch something or I just go on threads because threads has this wonderful little feature where you can actually Gray out your spoilers in your post.

1:20:54 And if anybody wants to see what that what it is, they just click on it and it reveals itself. So yeah, that's why I like threads so much. But anyway, that's getting off topic. So OK, no more Outlander episodes. We'll probably try to do, like I said, we'll probably try to do some book discussions once we can all kind of sit down and settle and and read some books. I will probably try to do that this summer before Dragon Con and LAN Con. And again, I will post the information for LAN Con on the show notes. But before we close off, I do want to say thank you to stars.

1:21:36 Thank you to the actors, thank you to the showrunners, thank you to the cast crew. Ben Mccrary for the wonderful soundtrack for all eight seasons. Just the whole experience of Outlander has been wonderful. It's been one of the best TV watching experiences that I've had from start to finish. And I just, I don't know if there will be another show like this. And I'm really glad we got to see a live version of this story. Just really, really glad. So I guess for Outlander, that's it for our show.

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