Shadow and Bone S2E5 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #230

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of The Phantom hybrid podcast. This is hanako and I am here with Anthony Lori and Mike and we are discussing episode 5 of Shadow and Bone season 2. Before we start talking about this episode, I want to talk about something that I've been meaning to mention. When we discuss the episodes and I've been forgetting the title cards for this season, their fire, I love them, the art Department. That is excellent job. Excellent job. And I love this one because at the beginning, you see, like four little crows sitting on the on the sign that says, Shadow and Bone. And you have one crow that flies in to sit with them and then in the background in the window you have another Crow that's like trapped and can't get out.

1:14 I was like, oh look. It's the crows and with Nina and then with Metolius, locked away. And did you notice one of the crows was One of the Nash's knives. No, I didn't notice any. Yeah, the one on the very end. Yeah. I love these title cards. Yeah, look all the foreshadowing. Uh-huh, very much so. But okay, let's get into this episode because there was a lot that happened in this episode, we had some epic fighting, we had some epic other things going on. The start of the episode.

1:57 When Carrie, again comes back to the room, to see that bagra and jigna have escaped. How the hell did all the damage, get done? Because Jen you didn't do all of that. There were like, the windows were messed up the shades had holes in them. There were like, I know she did some damage but I don't think she did all of that ditch. What was that? Something I missed wildly. She might have. I mean, he's just now finding out. It seems like and because he was probably gone for a minute, so she had time. So it was she might have done it. I guess that the do Vlad, Vlad, mm, I think is his name because on the closed captions, it's spelled vla. That do let me tell you, if you were to look up minion in the dictionary, his picture will be next to it. Like he's sitting there talking to care again. You know, I thought it was important to call you back for this blah blah blah.

3:05 You know, even though we lost most of our stuff, I had the foresight to look like he was expecting, Kerrigan to congratulate him because he had the foresight to keep the The two finger bones in a locket around his neck and that he can continue his experiments. He was like, I don't want to hear anything you have to say right now. I'm going to my room to throw a temper tantrum because my mama is gone. And genya but Kerrigan in this episode you kind of see him run the gamut of emotions like he is. Angry and upset and he's kind of wistful and when Alina comes to him and that Vision you see him kind of he's kind of hesitant and kind of skeptical about her but then when she touches his face, he's kind of like oh yes, this is what I want. Like, maybe she's really, really coming around to my way of thinking and don't let the smooth taste fool. You Mommy.

4:18 Kenya. But I mean between him wladim and Rosie Rosie. I think that's her name. I can't, I can't really pronounce it. FR u s-- z II. Think that's how you spell her name Angie? The the tide maker. Yeah, that sounds right. Let me tell you, there was one point in this episode where I thought Kerrigan was about to light that ass up when he was in his room and she came to tell him, you know, we can't find Prince Nikolai.

5:00 We can't find the sun Summoner. He was like, will find them. And she was like, um, the, the forceful way she was saying, is she was like, our efforts would be better if We were to just take out the first arm like she's telling this to him, like she's expecting him to be like, oh you know what you are. So right, let me change that order. And you guys go kill the first Army first, the amount of restraint that he serve you miserable. I'd only problem with that is present Nikolai. His Caravan are with my son Summoner, so at the risk of repeating myself. I love it when people say they are at the risk of repeating myself.

5:50 Get the fuck out of here and find her now, right? Let I'll care about nothing else. You got to say that's just that's almost. It's almost reminiscent of Zoya in the first season when Elena had escaped and she was trying to pull on her, I guess her little seductive thing to kind of calm him down and she was like what do we really need her? She probably left on her own you know, you used to call on me for certain things and he was like I'll be okay. Once I have my son Summoner it's Hollywood but that was kind of reminiscent of that. Even though up to this point, we have no indication.

6:30 That Kerrigan has had any kind of relationship with this girl, but still, I was just like I started laughing when he turned around and he was like he has a history in myself repeating myself. Because like you said, and you can see it in his face, like his eyes were kind of like bitch. I said what I said, Go find her. But I don't know why, I don't know why. People always try to test his patients. He is already been if he would, you know. Okay, I'm almost 50, sorry, Mike, I'm almost 50. I know the older you get the list, the list patients. Do you have right?

7:18 I can only has a less patient. You're exactly right. Yes. I can only imagine how it is when you're you know, 400 years old. Because now everyone around you is a child, right? Like Bill babies and they're saying childish things, and they're doing childish, things at the risk of repeating myself. I'm going to do that to Bailey, Wednesday. See if he's home, it was like Did you not hear what I said? No. Don't see knowing Bailey, she probably like, where'd you get that from if she's white shadow and bone with her parents? You'll probably be like, Dad.

8:04 You're not the darkling. And you'll see you want to watch with this because she's already predicted house. Sounds good. Has she told you how she thinks? Season two is going to end. I'll have to ask her okay because if she does I want to discuss that sidebar and and see how accurate her predictions are right there accurate we need to have her as a special guest. Now I mean, it's just like Anthony said in the last episode it has something to do with this younger. Younger generation, like vacancy. All the clues they can follow all the tropes. And I think even with some of the stuff that may be unexpected, they still do it because this is one reason why I do not watch TV with my daughter Mia. Like, she'll be in the episode of she'll be like, oh no, this is what's going to happen.

8:58 This is what this person sounds like it. I don't like this. There was something I was watching a few weeks ago. I cannot do this business. She read a lot of why he lit. She used to. She hasn't in a while. Missy used to. Yes, that's right. Bailey is really matter why he live. Like we say the last episode that was true. Oops just keep xeroxing themselves from hospital often. Yeah. Now they do have some twists with some things but yeah I think it was. Oh okay so this is not why a but the last of us the episode with the cannibals Like I said, she came downstairs, she heard us, you know, she heard it on TV, she heard just a little bit of what he was saying, Pastor David was saying right towards the beginning of the episode and she was like, hold up there, man on some BS.

9:47 She's like he doesn't sound right? He sounds like one of those people that's like creepy, pedophile tights and dada da. At that point, it wasn't even the hint of cannibalism but still she was able to she was like, mmm just the way she was. Like I only heard like five words that he said and I already know he on some bullshit. Yep. But ah, okay so aftermath of the attack. So we do find out in the midst of the various things that we see throughout the episode. The king is dead, which means that Nikolai is now be the king will once the coronation happens, but technically speaking, he is the king. At this point.

10:34 They have a lot of dead, they have a lot of injured, a lot of wounded, including addressing, Eric who they have to cut his arm off Toya has to take one of her axes and cut that part of his arm off, in order to try to save him. I was like that's a lot while they're down there, Elena starts losing control of her power. Again, one, she's already fretful because she still can't find Mal. She still has no clue that he's missing. She just knows that he's not down there. I said, lot of day, a lot of wounded. Nikolai is trying to send the wounded to another.

11:17 I think it's another town again, I'm not going to try to butcher that. I'm not going to butcher that name but he's trying to get her to hold it together. And as they're sitting there talking and trying to figure some stuff out, I thought one of the new travois was coming down into that Cavern because when that Darkness started creeping down there and Nikolai was like get all the wounded out of here. I was like what are me like y'all have so many wounded is only a few of y'all that are able body for one of y'all gonna do and then back is like stupid, girl, how long are you going to stand there before you? Let us down the like, only back? Bad girl, only bagra. Backwards their genius with her.

12:06 And like I said, at the beginning of this will actually, I said this before we started recording, I forgot how intense this episode was and I also forgot how emotional it was when Jenga and Alena reunited. And all of Lena had to do was just look at genius. She was she's just went over there to to hug her like All Is Forgiven, I was sobbing I was like oh Yes. Okay, the gang is back together again. But janya, let me tell you, she had to deal with a whole bunch of bullshit in this episode and I'm glad she stood up for her. I'm glad Alina stood up for her.

12:47 I'm glad Nikolai stood up for her. I'm glad well not at first, though. Michael. I was like, yeah. But I mean you heard of a good reason because he didn't know like know you didn't he's been gone for years. He did. Don't know what had been going on. So, one Selena stood up for janya. I think he realized. Okay, valina standing up for her and Junior was one of the people who betrayed her, which he would have learned when David showed up. He was like, okay, you know what, maybe I need to consider this. I need to think about this. You are safe here. but when the queen, Saw Ginga Katrina? No top Tiana Tiana Tiana when she was her name is Hannah and was like um what does she say to her? At least you look like the monster you are or something and she was trying to have her arrested jenya looked at her and she kind of pulled up to her full height. I said, oh she's been lit.

13:52 This bitch habits and boy did she Shouldn't have to raise her voice. She was just like, ask me how I did it. Ask me, bitch, this is like I put the poison all over my body for weeks. Every time he touched me every time he kissed me, he took it into himself. All he had to do was stop coming to my bed. What are you gonna say to that? Nothing, you can't say a damn thing to say because you because he was dead wrong and you can't even defend them. Like all you can do is keep criticizing her and look like a bitch in front of everybody. You find everybody?

14:33 But yeah, because I've everybody heard it, they're probably like, oh shit, they have this kind of fucked up, right? And you know for years Jenga had it rough with the rest of the Grisha because the rest of the Grisha treated her almost like a pariah. You know, she talked about in the first episode like she wasn't included in everything else. She was kind of set apart because she was the queen. Ins personal Grisha. And then the rumors were kind of going around about her and the King, but I'm pretty sure that the way the rumors were out there, in the way the word was twisted. They were probably skewing it like, genius seduce.

15:14 The the king or that she was having a consensual relationship with the King and they were all shutting her for it, but, I mean, what else is she going to do? Say, no, the king is raping me. What is that going to do? For her? Nothing, it won't protect her. So the fact that she's finally able to put all this out and say, all of this, and at the moment that this happened, she's actually running from David. So when the queen Corners, her, David looks and he takes off. I was like David. What the hell are you going? David? Went to go get Nikolai. He was like, what? We not going to do really Nikon dude, right, right.

15:55 Nikolai comes around that corner and she was like, a, you heard her arrest, this murders? And no, no, not after What I heard uh she is safe and that that that's what he tells jigna. He was like I apologize on behalf of all of rafta for what you have been doing and she turned to him she was like I don't need your pity, I don't need your apologies. What's been done to me cannot be reversed what I want to know is are you going to be the person to change this broken country or are you going to repeat the same mistakes as the canes before? And he got that question, not once but twice in this episode because he also got the question from bagra.

16:39 She was like, are you going to be the one to change? All of this? Are you going to repeat past mistakes? Yeah. Careful, kind of bad for the closer, everybody. It's just like their questions. Like can you do this? Are you sure? Are you sure like we all leave me alone, let me. I feel bad because it's on him to fix. Over 400 years of bullshit, you should just nowhere near his home nowhere near his fall. And then because he is the son of the king and queen like people are looking at him, like oh, part of this is your fault. You know, he escaped, he got away from them. That's one of the things Alina pointed out to him.

17:22 She was like, not everybody was a able to escape from the palace, like, you were. Some people had to do what they had to do in order to survive in, that was Jigna. But she's one of those people. Yeah, but he's got a task ahead of him and now everybody is looking at him like okay. So are you gonna I'm thinking about all these shows that we've watched Game of Thrones will time where it's like, okay, are you going to fix the wheel? Are you going to break it? Are you going to fix? What's been broken about this country? Are you going to move forward in a way that is healing to everyone? Or are you going to do the same stuff that everybody else is doing? I think you'll be different because Genuinely seems like he wants to fix the country but he's got a lot of work to do. Yeah, she'll do good be open-minded. Yeah, I like the fact that he's open being open-minded. Like he at first, he was like, yeah, wait till we get to the castle and I'm going to try you for treason and then he actually listened to Alina when she explained, how what happened to her, and what she went through in the castle. So, it's like let me tell you, just what? Summoner is not somebody.

18:33 You want to have an enemy Yeah, but it's like, but he actually listened. He wasn't like, hard-headed with. Like, we're gonna be like, like the queen. She was like, yeah, I'm a queen and or was she was she was like, trying to be all standoffish and shit even when she was proven wrong, but he was actually willing to listen and be like, oh well shit that's fucked up. My bail that line that she said she was like when he was like, you know, she was under your she was under your care, she's a servant. He was like a, you are Mother of rafta. You are supposed to embrace all raskins as your children. She can't just storm about her because literally, he's taking a stand right there in front of all the other Greeks, just saying what you did was wrong and I'm letting everybody know that.

19:24 I know that what you did was wrong even when he got ready to send her away later, she was trying to play with him. She was like, no, I'm the queen mother. My place is at your side. He was like, look, Look, I love you and I know that your time is Queen has not been kind, you didn't want to marry the king and you know, you were ostracized. You weren't treated well as Queen but still some of the shit that you allowed was shit, you shouldn't have allowed. And if I'm going to be the one to make the change, I can't have any of that old regime with me. So yeah you got to go to a Convent by she was mad but I mean him, Why would I sit here and try to fix the world and still have vestiges of the, the problem, the old problem sitting, right. That's just, like, I hate this, that's just like Tom and having Cersei sitting next to him when he was King, nothing, good coming out of that.

20:29 Another would have come nothing good would have come out of Tatiana, she probably would have been trying to make her own alliances or trying to yeah she whatever whatever. I just she got told off and she very well deserved it. I think I. And I'ma be honest. I think she kind of she kind of got off easy. I mean I really think she did. I mean he could have been thinking he may not, he may not want to test that fire to too much considering he might be a bad.

21:17 Bastard and she could blow his shit up. So yeah because that's what yeah, because I'm sitting here. I was worried about that. I'm trying to figure out anything with you because he says bastard. And then it's like, okay, she's the queen and the M boys look alike at all. So it'll look alike. They don't act like there's nothing to like about him, but she was actually not. That's actually not unusual with siblings. There are lots of pairs of siblings who have The same parents and they look nothing alike. Well, that's sad because they think they have the same parents, but when I was ignorant to say, is I don't look anything like my brother.

21:57 We don't like to say, you and your brother, don't look alike to me. Look like, if you don't look like here, we have the same parents. What time is it? Like so I and the other things too, I think is I don't think she's gonna open her mouth about that. No, she's just worried about keeping up appearances. Yeah, not only that. But technically speaking, if you have a bastard only King isn't that technically treason Yeah, she and I got a shit. Yeah, she is saying shit. I'm saying, if she's giving up the ghost so to speak, what else does she give it up?

22:39 She be giving up all kinds of shit, you know? I mean, loose lips, sink ships, so to speak. All I'm saying, is that as we get on later episodes, I think I know who his daddy is. Really really okay. We're we're not even gonna get into that conversation. I gotta sit here and think about that, but okay, oh, oh, you know what? I think, I know where she's going. Okay, I'm back. No, okay, we're not doing this, no notnot yet, will do this after I think of those useless. A, that's okay good. Wait. But the other thing is when jenya does, finally get there, she's able to help heal adrift from his amputation. She does have a confrontation with David because, you know, she keeps avoiding him because she doesn't want him to see her and You know, the exchange that they have is interesting to me, because all he wants to do is see her and to just let her know that, he's glad that she's okay.

23:51 And I think like I said, he'd I think he does feel a little bit of guilt about leaving her but even with genja she was like I told you to run. You did what I told you to do. There's nothing you could have done to help, I don't want your yield. I don't want your pity you would have been busy. But the thing that I loved is that at this moment Like you really don't have anything lose, go ahead, go ahead and put them feelings on the line. Because he basically told her look, I understand that you, you got issues with the way you look. I don't care about any of that. He was like you you're a strong person on the inside. That's your beauty.

24:32 That's your strength and I should have never left you. I'm sorry, you know, basically I'm sorry. And the scene after, you know, what happens after that when she calls to him and he was like, I'm trying to figure out though. Like, how did you guys find us? Because, of course, the spinning wheel is gone. It's gone. They're underground. And what did she say? She said bag or Amplified me so that I could seek out familiar Heartbeats And I think it took him a second to realize what that meant but I don't think up until that moment. He realized just how important he was. Was to Jania, you know, sometimes I hate to say y'all, man. Y'all are clueless.

25:12 Sometimes looks like it could be wrong. You're smacking your face and you were fast and he's smart but he's, you know, not cannot real quick on the uptake. Yeah, no. Yeah. You Matt, but when it clicked it clicked, so I'm like, okay good. Now, we have that ship finally. All right, let's move on. I was expecting to hear Bruno Mars start. Singing like when I see you. You know, so she could just the way you are to her, you know. Because he's like, you know, I mean, I thought that was really sweet, like, you know, he broke it down towards like, look, I don't care.

25:57 I love. I'm attracted to you like, and, you know, it's like a lesson for everybody for like, you know, loving first. Some someone for the inside as opposed to the outside. So, yeah, but think about think about how she kind of grew up. She grew up bad. Beauty was the most important thing. How you look in your appearance is what What was important that's why so many that's why the queen was using her Services. That's why the queen would bring her friends over to have her do this. All she did was Taylor people. So to her appearances is everything. Yeah, that's how she was brought up that, you know, to fix it and make it look good.

26:40 But I mean now she has someone who's like you got dead. No more. I got you. I like the little analogy he made because he was like, what did she say? She was like, I don't have Of she said I can't tell you what this is like and I don't have the strength, I don't have the strength to explain it to you. He was like, I mean, I understand that. But I understand still she was like what the hell does that you have to talk to people in the language. They understand right and and but you know and that's how he understood. He was like look your beauty is your arm. I understand that he was like, but still that's What's in? You is strong and it can't be broken and and it doesn't need fixing.

27:27 You don't need fixing to shoot. You can just see her melt and I'm just sitting here like this. So sweet tell you, I was away. I was a mess with this episode. There was just, there were so many good moments David, and jenya wildin and Jasper until it wasn't good and then it was good. Again, we'll get into them too, but oh, But continuing on with what's going on here with Elena and all of them. So once bag or gets there, she kind of confesses to bagger about the fact that she's been seeing Kerrigan through astral projection and that she wants to break this connection and so back or kind of encourages her. Hey, you have to be the one to break this connection. Other than that, he's going to be able to use it, you know, against you.

28:20 So she actually goes into this astral plane where they are able to communicate. And she starts pulling the, I'm going to take Lori's term Romeo pimp Pinterest, I don't know what you want to call it. She starts pulling this, like the Gustav talk to him about, you know, Go ahead, Mike. Hey baby. I like it. Hey, baby. I know you want to talk to you real quick, how things have you talking and thinking about it, David and I kind of like it this is it could be me and you baby forever and ever baby. Whenever ghetto was just a young baby. Yeah, she basically walks up to him and she's telling him everything he wants to hear.

29:12 Yeah, you were right. There's nobody else. Like us, I need someone, we could, we could they see with space-age pimp playing in the background? That would be epic. Oh my God. I would never listen to the same way again, I hate you. I will never listen to that song the same way again. Oh my God. But anyway, so yeah, she's walking up to him and, you know, she's caressing his faith and all this other stuff and at first he was looking at her like bitch what you doing? Then when she touched his face who just kind. Of like, can we give in to that?

29:57 Oh, she's like, like, she's coming to me. This is it? I've been waiting for her. I've been patient and she's coming to me. She finally admitted, that Mal doesn't understand what she's going through, and it's just me because she takes his hand and she, she grabs it, and she pours some of that light into it, I guess, to dissolve, whatever connection they have, whatever piece was remaining in him. And as at this moment, or during this exchange, she In. She's in like a I guess it's kind of like an underground Church. So she's sitting in there where she's communicating with Kerrigan. At this point Mal shows up and nikolai's like where were you? I was about to send.

30:40 You know, I was scared. I was gonna have to tell Lina you were dead. He was like, no I got taken by first Army. Where is she? And Nikolai was like oh she's safe and then all of a sudden you hear rumbling and mouse in here looking like that don't sound like safe that sounds like the ceiling is about - but it's because as she's she's connecting with Kerrigan. She's starting to lose control of her powers. And Mal is sitting there like grabbing her trying to break her out of it and she can hear him in the astral projection, but she's still trying to do what she needs to do to break this connection. So, finally Mao pulls her out of this connection and she's hurt in the back of her head.

31:23 She's just hurt because she was almost close to severing it and Maya pulled her out. So she gets Mad at mouth. I'm like, I'm like bitch, not 20 minutes ago, you were worried about him whether or not he was Dead Alive. Where was he? Whatever. Now, you mad because he broke a connection that he didn't even know you had because you weren't being honest with him because he's like, wait, wait, wait, you can make it tall. You have a connection problem with both the connection. Wait, what, right. He was like why didn't you tell me what? I couldn't tell you because you were gone. He was like um because I got arrested by got kidnapped by first Army.

32:08 Vasily had me arrested for desertion and the look on her face was He's like, oh, I was like seeing, here we go. Again like Alina, I be trying to have your back but when it comes to Mal, you treat them like trash sometimes like you know, who we are. Realizing this relationship is going like it's going to crash and burn and penis, and she's dying in his arms. I told Robert already called it. I called it. Last episode. Yeah, but she's sitting there. She's upset and she was like, she was like, what was it? She said something about them being in lockstep, he was like hold up hold up.

32:52 Still you know oh that was what it was. She was upset with him because she was like you're just putting one foot in front of the other. Basically what y'all were talking about in last episode, whatever name, whatever Lena is saying, Mal does you know, and she's even like, oh, you're sitting here doing all of this? Oh, Okay. Stag sea whip, Firebird engagement? Like you're going to walk me down the aisle and you act like nothing's wrong and blah blah blah. He was like of course or what'd she say and you act like it doesn't hurt. He was like, of course, I was. But what else am I supposed to do? He was like, you are on a path that I can't even follow. You're doing this, this, this, this miss.

33:34 It was like, you're putting yourself at risk, you know, meeting with Kerry and trying to trying to break this connection. He was like, I'm already doing everything that I can to try to help you do what's right to do to, you know, get rid of the fold to save Rascal to protect yourself. I'm doing everything. That I can do. And you keep doing other shit. He was like just he was like, it's like nothing else exists and she basically was like, it doesn't? He was like, okay, that's big. I just made it. I needed to hear you say it. Say less, right? And she tried to take my, he was like, no, this is what you were meant for.

34:18 You were meant for greater things, he's going to also keep him today, right? He was like all I can do is find you to fire bird. That's all. And that's basically all it is. Is I'm, I'm here to do whatever it is that you need to do to be greater, whatever he turns around and walks off. And she's sitting there upset because she realized like, get out of put my foot in my mouth again. She said, he and she tried to grab it and bring back his too late now, he's gone. He's like, oh, okay. I see where I stand. Yeah. And you know, when you're talking, I don't blame man. I don't blame Al at all. I really don't know. And I don't I honestly don't think she meant it in that way, but right now, she did not know what I'm saying. Is, what I'm saying is, I don't, I don't think that she said, that Mal is not important to her. I don't think that's what she was saying, but what was he said, was this is more important. It is.

35:14 Yeah, mmm. And the thing is like, I, you know, it because it's almost like she should have a conversation with Carrie getting like, you know, here again, you do you I'm just going to me a mad, we're going to go back to the orphanage and we going to render or from the engine and raised some kids just have at it you know saying just have a daddy just just leave us alone this all-male wants. Yeah but but the other thing is Mal knows that that's not what's meant for her but as soon as that with me and for her I'm saying yeah I know but I guess my whole thing is everything that Mal has done has given up his sacrifice.

35:57 He lost friends, trying to find this fucking stack for you, at least again, show him the courtesy of understand it. How, how much you sacrifice without spoiling anything we see this is that relationship later, you know, we see the same thing later. This is how it's supposed to be that how it is. And, I mean, yeah, and I also think that this is a very troubling trend for Lena, because she's getting more and more about saving grafica by any means necessary. She's like all Malcolm X about this shit now and it's like, she's like, she's like I want to say Ralph come on, save it by any means.

36:41 And I don't care who I go through, I'm going. And it's like, she's like laser-focused and blind heard, about doing this, and getting what she wants that. She like you said, I don't think she knew how what she was saying to Mouse. It sounded but it's like she probably had better intentions than the words that came out of her mouth. But she was still like, you know, I could have sent word that I we could have go and we could have gotten the upper hand on Kerrigan and we could have because one just blasted war and then that could have found the firebird and then all the stuff I'm doing all this stuff and you're not and you're not helping, you know, you're not talking to me. It's like, cause I think she really. I mean, she loves balance. She was like, why haven't you been fighting for me War?

37:22 I think she wants him to fight more. Like be like, no. What the hell is like? No has almost died for her. How many times? How much more fighting can you like? Okay, so this is the thought that I had in my head that just went out a few minutes ago Elena. I feel like her sense of self-importance is getting to a point where She in a lot of aspects of we talked about this with the last episode in a lot of aspects. She's starting to mimic some of cure, cure against personality traits, you know? And and it's more than just, oh, I'm the only person who can destroy the fold.

38:04 Yes, that may be well and true but you can't stand on this hill alone. You have to have other people behind you to help you think about it. You wouldn't even be where you are right now, without a Mal, without the crows without Nikolai. Without all of these people who have been helping you every step of the way. But for you to sit here and have that self-importance that, oh, I have to be the one to do this. This is the only thing that's important. Yes, it is important, but don't burn your bridges on the way to trying to Feel that prophecy because those bridges. If you burn them you go fuck yourself up.

38:47 You know, and I just feel like she's not. I think part of the thing is she takes for granted that Mal will always be there. She really takes that for granted you know, and and and I understand it. He's always been there. There's been no precedent where he hasn't been except for when they were being forcibly kept apart. And even with that, her dumb ass was sitting here thinking, oh, he, he Forgot about me. Oh, he's mad at me because I'm Grisha. Oh, he's not writing me. And what world is this? That Mal would ever be like, oh okay, fuck this bitch I don't want nothing to do with her. No, again we need to remember that these aren't adults. These are young people, everybody in this story is Young and life.

39:54 That is your best friend. That is your ride or die. That is the person that y'all have always had each other's backs. So it has nothing to do with age. That's common sense. There are certain things that are that are True in this world. And for her, it should be that she should know that Mal is 100% loyal to her period relationship or not. Yeah, yeah. But I mean plus, I mean you have, I mean, it's fair to say that the Dynamics of the relationship have changed slightly now because of how they've expressed her feelings for each other, and that's new to her. So, the core of that is still the same, the core of that has not changed.

40:40 Change. But she's figuring that out. She's figuring that out. Now she did, she didn't know that before. Okay, I'm I know you. I know you do not take this as cute as an excuse, but I'm still going to say it. She's young. And as the, as the Elder spokesman here, in this, in this chat. In this podcast, I'm Jay these youngins don't know anything about this any of this relationship stuff. I've been young before, they are some things that you just know. It does still have the experience like I mean, you're not any wave like various something that necessarily not necessarily.

41:23 I can tell y'all, I can tell you, I don't read why a and romance a lot know. There's a tell you right there, your expectation level might be a little bit woman's intuition. There are some things that, you know, and don't have to have explained to you. Then why do so many women put their best friends in the friend zone? Noah, Goodwill. That's probably the person you should be with. I hope he's he's like my brother so no I don't see you that way because I take my blood type of thing goes. Sometimes if you if you are in a, if you have a friendship with somebody and you're not looking at them in a romantic way at first regardless, yeah, there's some people who later on down the line, they end up falling.

42:22 Love with each other. But if they like when you think about Elena now they never discussed each other as. Oh, he's like my brother. Oh, she's like my sister Because deep down, they already knew that they felt different ways about each other. They just didn't know that the other person reciprocated. But when you have a best friend, I have a best friend that I had been best friends with since the start of my ninth grade year and we've never looked at each other romantically. He's always been like a brother When you start seeing someone in that way, to turn up for, at least for me to turn around and try to look at them differently, it feels very incest E, I can't do it.

43:04 But not everyone is just not. Even one is the same and I have to allow for. Like he never had a girlfriend, she never had a boyfriend and me being together all these. Okay. I won't say he's had relationship. Relations not relationship. Yeah. What are you trying to get a piece to somebody having relations with somebody? You sort of know how this thing works? We don't know that, we don't know the extent of what those relationships were. He may have tried to have relationships and then realized, oh, I can't be with this person because I feel like this for somebody else, we don't know because that's not an important part of the story, but what I'm saying is, We've gone into the weeds as Anthony likes to say.

43:55 But what I'm saying is there are certain things. That as far as their friendship goes, that Elena should know without a doubt by this point, especially after he proved that bullshit, you know, fate last year when she was like, oh you you just forgot about me. You didn't you didn't write to me. He was like, I wrote you all the time. Like, I was trying. I've been trying to find you since you left Camp. I have crossed the country on feet. I have been shot. I have been stabbed. AB my two friends got killed, trying to find this fucking stag for you. Like, come on now, there are certain things that shouldn't have to be spelled out for you.

44:40 And one of those things is that Mal is your fucking ride or die. Right. But this difference between, I mean, I see, I think I still think you're giving her way too much credit like way too much and I think you're not giving them enough. Again, look, I can only Okay, I can I can only see this as I'm putting this in the way that Alina is acting. It's like she is not really, she doesn't know she's not catching. Her is like when she was talking to my laughter, he snapped her out of it, she couldn't. She didn't, you couldn't catch herself and see and hear how she was sounding. And but she just went off on him and it's like now might be mature, might have might have more experience to be a little more mature and can handle it because he was like cuz he he wasn't really trying to engage her like that but she was just going off on him and still saying things that sounded terrible.

45:38 That sounded like didn't sound the way that she wanted them to sound but she was still plowing through with it. That's why I was saying that she is not experienced enough to know that I need you. Okay, I need to pull back some that didn't sound right, like she didn't even really tried it. It seemed like she really tried to like walk anything back and be like look that's not really what? It to say she just went straight forward with it. No she tried at the end when he walked off but I still think, I think that. Yeah, yeah, but like Her emotions when she first came out of this, that I can understand that. Because she's right there, she's almost, she's almost seven this connection.

46:18 And then when you see in the next scene with her and bad, we're talking she's talking about how she can feel secure again. She's like, every time I use my power is like he has his hand on me, forcing me to use it. So I can understand her agitation at not being able to sever that link. And you know, like I said, Said once Mao kind of put it out there he was I okay. See that's what you meant. I just needed you to hear you say it. So now that we know what page is where on, we know that you are way over here and I'm way back here and this is where we're going to be and he walks off like she understands what she's what she said and what she's done. But yeah, you know how?

47:03 No, she doesn't understand. She had been worried about my old looking for mouth feverishly but when he snapped out of it, This is her first instinct wasn't looking like, oh my God, where have you been? I missed you. It wasn't she was like what the fuck did you do that? For, that was the first thing. She said, hush right. Then her thing was she was trying to break the link with Kerrigan. If you listened to the conversation she had with bad words. Not only is she trying to is she trying to sever this link from curing like this actual physical link. She needs to sever the men. Talika as well. Here again is in her head. She thinks that everything about her is because of him, she thinks that her being Grisha.

47:49 Her being told she was meant for great things. These are all things that he told her instilled in her life, she said he betrayed jenya, he betrayed Raska and back or had to say to her and he betrayed you he violated you when you are in a space even a headspace where somebody has that much control over. Are what you do and how you feel. Even though that person, the other person who broke her out of, that is right there, she's more. So, when she's coming out of that, she's thinking, oh my God, I almost broke this, I almost had him out and you don't realize how deep it is for her mentally, emotionally until she has that conversation with bad word. So, what I'm saying is I don't blame her for not Not like when she sees that Mal is okay.

48:45 When she comes out of it, she still angry. Because I think in her mind, when she was in the astral plane, with Kerrigan, she heard Mouse voice. Elena stop Elena, come back, Elena, come back. She let me hurry up and get this motherfucker out of my head. She just selfish. I think it part partly. Yes, I do think that is it again. I think her her sense of self-importance has started to get up there, but I think also to she really, she really was just Get cure again, whatever grip he has on her, whether real or imagined, she's trying to get rid of that.

49:34 But she like, like you said, the way she reacted and is like, she didn't realize until she said the wrong thing. She was like, oh wait, maybe I shouldn't have said that, huh? Okay. But it's a little, it's a little too late for that now, but at least, I think he was able to break through to her like, okay. So you doing all this dangerous stuff, you going to have to cure again on your own. That's not going to work. Like what are we doing all of this other stuff? What are all of these people dying for? If you're just going to put yourself In Harm's Way without thinking of anything else to do?

50:14 And I think she realizes that when she goes to talk to Nikolai and she gives him back the ring because you know, when he asked her when her and mouth start having this exchange bagra and Nikolai both in the room and when she goes off on Mal bag or nickel, I kind of look at each other and they walk out the room. They're like yeah we don't want to be a part of this conversation. So nickel I asked her. He was like, you know, is everything okay with Mal? And she was like, he's never walked away from me like that before. Or, I don't know. And he was like, Mal loves you. Anybody can see? I can see it. And it's like, when he says that that's, that's the first time I think anybody has said anything about love between those two, and the fact that you have to have a stranger, tell you this, because my, at this point, my lanolina have not said those words to each other. Like it's very evident, but they haven't actually said the words in the fact that Nikolai could say, my loves you. I can see it.

51:17 And she's like, you know what? Yep, you're right. Let me give you this ring back and he was like, Firebird she was like yeah because again Mal is not going to steer her wrong. He has not so far. So if he says, okay, we need to go find this fiber so you can finally do what the fuck it is. You need to do including getting rid of Kerrigan. What else are you going to do? Like you. She could have died trying to sever that time with him. I mean you see her holding her head, she's got blood on her head probably from when she gets when she smacked her head on the floor. Yeah but it's like she's knocked herself, unconscious doing that. Kerrigan could have killed her the niche of or you could have gotten to her.

52:08 Stop stop being sold. So selfish, that is so hair, hair, strong, that you just go into things without without thinking. Again, you were a cartographer, you are not a soldier, you don't know how to how to plan things tactically, leave that for other people. but yeah, so she's gonna go off and find a firebird and yeah. That's called, let's talk about the crows a little bit because wildin and Jasper are morning after Bliss.

52:54 They got the glow, they got. The glow has is having nightmares in his bed because he's dreaming about the water and waking up on the barge and touching the dead flesh of, you know, of the people that were on the barge and, you know, he wakes up and he's like, literally trying to scrub the feeling off of his hands. And this is that's kind of hard. I can't even imagine that happening. Now. It's like laying in a barge full of dead people. Including your brother like, with with, with a, with a communicable disease where you'd like popped out and I'm like, like I don't think God, I would never feel clean ever again. No chance.

53:41 And then if you think about it you don't know how long those bodies have been there. You don't know how long he's been on that barge how long he's been unconscious? Jesus and he probably had to swim to shore. Yeah. But even before that the bodies are wet, you see it. When you see his vision of him touching touching, the stomach of one of the people, the, the flesh is wet. Anything that we've learned in science class about dead bodies. At some point, gas is going to start expanding the bodies and it probably just felt clammy and and moist and just grow. Okay? Okay, okay. Okay, I'm sorry, I said the f word but yes, Anyway, said a lot of words that were just discussing their, hold you and you, and you, and your, your description, your descriptive was religious.

54:42 But that puts you in the mind of Kaz, brecher and why he has this phobia that he has, but it's it's right after that that they get V the letter from Nikolai about finding the shin, your and Toya and Zoya had finally, In there now, is so funny because Zoya and Nina are sitting on opposite ends of the table and they're having these conversations and Zoya is accusing Nina of, you know, abandoning the country and betraying and she was like, excuse me, it didn't take for him to destroy a city for me to see where my loyalties needed to be his heart was looking at her like bitch.

55:27 She was telling the truth. Nina was gone way before all of that happened? She was like, yeah, I'm not working for this day. Dude, anymore. Deuces. But this is where they get the orders as far as what they need doing. And you know the mission cares is still being hard-headed talking about knowing ish is not going to be a part of this uh not a part of this Mission. Jasper was like, fuck you. Yeah. In the words of the great Pharrell Williams and I'm happy birthday by the way, he should stop frontin. I mean he we know by now by now it's like every time he says something about an edge not coming back or an edge going away, we just look at them like Really, and I even love it when they're Nina and Jasper are in Anna's room because Nina is taking off the slave, symbol off of Indonesia's wrist and Nina. I mean, imagine just like why would he not tell me about this, you know about this job for the sun? Summoner, and Nina was like because he would rather push you away rather than admit how he feels about you. And there's a just Both looking at her like what is? She was like, oh, I'm sorry, was I not supposed to say that out loud?

56:51 Just was like, I'm so glad you actually hit. Okay. So like they'll start talking about snarky Anthony? Could that was the perfect? No. No. It's something else. Can we just can we step back for a second? Mmm. So, Now Nina and her powers because now she's removing it. She's changing the tattoo, okay? Yeah, no. So she's the heart of render. She was trying to do healing in the last episode you. I will know. Maybe she was using like regular medicine. No, I think she was actually doing some healing. She was trying, you know what I thought about that when I watch this episode again, because if I remember from the first season they all, are they all can do like certain things that other, that other Grisha can do, like, certain things within that.

57:49 Skill set. But it's just the one thing that they do that they are like the experts on. I think. I remember something about that in the first season. Okay. So yeah. So yeah. So maybe the court is it corp, corp. Corp, Rocky. Yeah. So how renders father that category I believe? Maybe be all if you're in that category, you have the ability to do certain things. I think we talked. About this before because it's how it is with, with, with Jedi because some do that are good at other things and I'm not get it, some things like they're did, I bet he'll but they really can't do anything else. Like foresight is something some Jedi have some degree of foresight, right?

58:42 Anakin was pretty high, you'll was pretty high Obi-Wan's. Okay, but he's really good at sea. In Blaster Fire coming at them. Like this is like ranges so maybe heart. Renders is just a specific subset type but you can still do a little bit of healing but you really got to work at it and some of them may not have to work at it as much. Yeah. Because if you think about it to janya saying what she did early in this episode genja is a Taylor which is Ina sorta, which is like a Healer but not Is there a big difference between a supposedly because Jiang Yan has made mention a couple of times that her particular type of Grisha?

59:28 Power is extremely rare. Yeah, like she can actually alter a person's appearance, hmm. But if you can change, someone's physical properties then you should be able to heal as well. Hmm. So is with tattoo out of the tattoo removal would be more more tailoring than healing. I think it will be It's the same like you're healing the the scarring from the tattoo because you still see like you still see this line of it too? Yes. Had to remove the ink or whatever. Yeah and if you think about it like I said with genja when she told David how she found them she said bag or Amplified me so that I would look for familiar heartbeats you would think that's something a heart render would do. Yeah.

1:00:19 So, she has to be all have if you're in that area, you all have that sort of range. Mmm. Yeah. Girl, you just really good at something and not is getting something else, right? You look at it. If you look at a book wise, they're like Missy laughs. Please Harold. They all have a basic, but then they move up and skill set on different ways, that they can do different things. So, I see them as Harold like. But I agree that a tailor and a A Healer are pretty much basic except for you know, as they get a higher skill set. Now my question I had with with with her is that her face is horribly?

1:01:03 Scarred. Can't she Taylor herself? No bag with says, so in the last episode because when you first, when we first seen genja after she's regained Consciousness, that's what she's doing, she has her hand over her face and Bag with says, there's no sense in trying to tailor that girl, Marie, that that's car was created by MERS owes. You won't be able to fix it. No amount of tailoring will be able to remove that. Okay, so A Healer could maybe he lit a little no because if you think about it just like with Kerrigan Jenny was able to take away some of it but the rest of it she couldn't and she said that that that's that's the extent of my Powers. Okay?

1:01:46 Okay. Okay okay. I remember Ever saying that now, but I didn't catch what the full meaning of it, I guess so. So my next question is, is okay. So you're talking about familiar hearts and you're talking about, you know, how they can sense in the Amplified, if, if she can sense. David does that mean that David could possibly if he was searching for her? Remember she was looking for him, he could sense her because he's a, he's a, he's a Gasps. That's an I think that's a different that's a different classification so it wouldn't. Okay. All right, I don't I don't think or you know what I will say this, maybe that's one of those things like. Okay.

1:02:31 So if you think about it like let's say in the military, okay? You can be in the military, everybody who's going to be in the military is going to get basic first aid skills, right? You're going to get basic, whatever skills and then depending on what branch you're in. Like somebody in the Army is not going to be able to fly a Jet right? You know somebody who's flying the jet is not going to be able to man, I sub right but I think about it on those levels like there are certain things that they all can do. Like, maybe they can all heal to a certain degree like basic first day. Maybe they all can hear heartbeats.

1:03:12 They may not be able to control them like a heart render, but there may be certain things that they all can do across the board. But I don't think so. I don't think that I don't, it doesn't seem like I have to go back and read because I think they do talk about something to that nature about. How about how the skills are Amplified within each person. I'm going to have to look at that and see his in. There were Saints at that would be similar to Compound V. And the boys boys, because they all have their healing Factor, they all are durable.

1:03:54 They all have like a base level thing and then they have specific individual Powers. Hmm. But it seems like this is very much like I hate using avatar The Last Airbender as a reference point but like Earth, you know, even within earth. People who can who, how why is this gaping me now? Earth-based Benders you've Earth Benders like tough. Could Bend metal, not all earthbenders can do that. Hmm, you know, and they're water benders who can be in blood. Not all would have been described as you're right, but don't have earthbenders who can move water a little bit, you mean, but at some point, Is all Spirit bending because we find out.

1:04:47 You know, spoiler it is all spent Spirit bidding and then some went in a different direction and others. Anyway, this new, the end of it so I don't, I think they're all Silo this far as heart renderers and duress. But duress is not going to have any abilities that are hard. Winter will have and re-renders not going to have any abilities dressed app. Now, if you would say, they had things like, you know, Exhale, really hearing Healy for themselves maybe, you know, a little bit of durability because doing a small Sciences requires a little bit more dexterity a little bit more strength, little bit more bone density.

1:05:29 Okay, looks like that sewer but the actual small science is, they're probably not any there probably isn't any crossover then the individual will be overpowered imagining it being a derp ass and able to heal or able heart render a little bit. You be a problem. Yeah, that's why I said I don't think it's something that will be major like if I can see being a Grisha and being able to heal like a minor cut, you know nothing. Nothing expensive, something just minor. The fact that jigna said bag or had to amplify her so that she can hear Davis heartbeat, you don't have too many human amplifiers and there aren't even that many. Any a animal amplifiers out there. So that's not something I would expect everyone to do. Maybe if bagger was with David and David wanted to look for something that she might be able to amplify that because she, she kind of she amplifies, you know, so even even things that they may be able to do in a minut way, she might be able to amplify that little power or whatever to A minimum point to, you know, to a baseline point to where they could do that. But without her, it's probably just kind of one of those things kind of like, it's kind of like me being a mixed person. I have all these this DNA, and

1:06:59 then I might have, like, 1% over here. If there were something that can amplify it, that's probably, that's how it kind of how I look at it. Like they're bad. Girl would be the thing that can amplify that little one percent of whatever. Our aggression may have yeah fit and that's I guess it's where we disagree because I don't even think it Durant's will have any ability to since anybody's heart beat. Like, I think this strictly core because the core, the core pero, aqu�� seem to people who can do with the body things that you do with the body. And the duress is things that do with metals and objects and stuff.

1:07:41 But if you're because like for Fabricators are direct Like they're all the same but if you think about it one technically speaking, the heart, the blood has Metals in it. We have Metals in our body. Well there's metal in it. Yes. But uh yeah but yeah I can't but I can't feel you know we're talking a weird smell, we're talking about specifically about hearing the heartbeat, think about Jesper. When he was focusing the bullets to Ivan, he was listening for items. Heartbeat. No, he was sensing the weakness where he hit him the first time in the in the armor.

1:08:22 He could tell where was it wasn't his heartbeat? You sure. Yeah that matter was okay. I'm have to go back because I think maybe I'm thinking about the other because there were a couple of fight scenes going on during that sequence, but I thought that there was a part of that but you might not understand what I understand what you're saying is this. I don't think it's likely that that that would be bad, wouldn't really fit in the way. I would see her, how I would do the magic or the small Sciences, right. Okay. By the only only thing that would be different is I would say, because of the nature of bagra and Alexander, that they may have a little bit of everything because that's probably why they can do the Shadows.

1:09:13 Okay, is this kind of weird aberration. You and I wouldn't be surprised if Elena Elena could do things like heal because of the kind of Sumner, she is something that would just like this extraneous. Rare thing, maybe assistant, they're just combinations of all the other things together at once. Yes, I am saying, yeah, like I wouldn't be surprised if they could do all those other things, but I would be surprised if the rats could do. Ringer is stuff like listen for heartbeats. Okay, anyway, we're in Louisiana. Yeah, we are but that's okay because that just that just tells me that what I need to do because it has been a while since I've read the book I do want to go look that up and just see, okay. So how is it that the Grecian pow'rs work? What, you know, what is it that each Grisha can do like are there things that they can do that are attributed to other Grisha.

1:10:15 So yeah. We We'll go into that. I'm going to look that up, and then we can discuss that further in a future episode. But so anyway, you're calling her calling her angrily. No, no, no. So, going back to the crows, and Nina healing, and Edge, and all of this other stuff. So, in Nash, basically makes it known that she is about to go on this Mission and Cass does not look pleased about it, but like she said, she was like, I'm not here for you. He looked so hurt when she said that, she was like, I'm not here for you.

1:10:57 I'm here for the sun Summoner and I'll buy my own passport. He was. But I'm telling you man, I'm cares, she's like an M&M what I said right? Not everything's the other things that At our. Well, there's one thing that's funny in the same and that's the fact that and you see this throughout the whole episode, I think Nina and Toya are going to be best friends because they always got some fucking food in their mouth. They're always eating, they're always enjoying themselves with food and I just think it's the funniest thing because people keep saying stuff to them or giving them looks like they're trying to embarrass them or they're telling them, can you please stop doing that? Both of them looking at each other? Like, Whatever.

1:11:47 I'm about to sit here and enjoy myself. The other thing is we find out only by accident that while in is illiterate, And it's because so bad about that. That's almost like somebody out in somebody for being gay is like, that's such a personal thing for somebody, especially somebody sold as smart as he is. It's like, because you everybody can't do what he does, like he, he can do stuff that, a lot of people can't do, and it's even more impressive, when you think about it, because he can't read. Yeah, he learned all that, just by learning it and like, by not reading it, it's like import.

1:12:30 Jasper Jasper, like just it off and comedies like oh fuck. Yeah and and it's like, the more he keeps trying to, the more he keep trying to make ya fix it throughout the episode. It's almost like he just digs the hole a little bit deeper and he's not doing it on purpose. It's like, when you realize that about someone, sometimes it's hard to know the right thing to say and what he thought was really Something that, you know, he thought it was something that was okay. Like all the fact that you were able to do this without being able to read without you know not saying it like that.

1:13:10 You know that means you're clever and smart and why Island who is probably heard. There's so much in his life he kind of tasted as patronizing and condescending and Jasper. At one point, does not know how to fix it. And then later on you kind of see the thing in reverse because Cuz when Jesper since Weiland down and he's just basically, like look, this is nothing to be ashamed of it was like, oh, you're going to tell me how to feel about my shame? When you are hiding, the most important thing about you and just for was lucky, he has a smart. Well, my pretty face, I wouldn't he was like, no, the fact that your Adder ass like you did this, you did that.

1:13:52 You you fixed your gun. I've seen you shoot, you fix the piano wire. Why would you hide that? He was like yours. Many Ximena always, you know they feel like being a Grisha is being blessed. Why would you hide that part in? Jasper was like because it's not a blessing, it's a curse in you don't know what it has cost me. And I was like, oops and I think it was one of those moments where while and was like, oh now I know now I see how he's been feeling trying to you know, like you you think you're saying something to someone that is a compliment or that is to be a comfort or that is supposed to make Them feel better like, hey, I see that you're a Grisha. That's an awesome thing, you should be proud of that and not hide it.

1:14:38 Oh, but guess what? I lost because of that, we find that out later and I think it's one of those things were wild and is like, oh, so this is how he's felt when he's been trying to compliment me and I've been kind of biting his head off, so, you know, they walk into that house with both of them, kind of on Shaky Ground but Even before we get to that, we find out that Miss Shayne your vests in the temple. Is a copy. It's a fake they do find out or I should say cast, does find out who has the real one or who may have the real one. So apparently it's owned by someone called the disciple and he has a fence that has you know, been listening some of his personal collection.

1:15:24 So their their plan is to me. The fence, you know, Nina and Kaz, they pose as a married couple, which is very funny to me various and in mashes Up on the Roof. Trying to make sure that everything goes okay, with this fence, she ain't stupid at all, but she realizes that they're thieves. She realizes that, let's just say, I know a thief when I've been around long enough to know a thief, when I see if I've worked with enough, Steve's to no one But the interesting thing about that, the whole start of that thing, one of the things that I like is when they first get to the city, there is a temple and I guess there's like it's kind of like a day of remembrance or Festival of remembrance. So you see Toya, you see and as you see Zoya all standing at this altar like thing, and they're each saying their prayers and remember Bring their loved ones in different ways because they're all three from different cultures. And I love that they show that like, yes, these three people are from all all from different walks of life, different cultures.

1:16:41 They're all different types of people but they have this one thing in common in common and they can they can each do that and be respectful of the way. The other person does it without it being a big deal. I love that because we don't get that a lot in this. This world, you know, again showing showing the inclusivity that that young adult literature has which actually which actually is pretty cool because what a lot of shows that we watch are based on why literature and a lot of like, weevils black Miller time, for example, has a lot of inclusion in it, like land. And that just is, that's really cool.

1:17:22 Because it shows that that young adults actually want that as far as what they're reading it. It's like they want to see stuff in the stuff in Reading their literature like they want to see in the world so I think that's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. But when Nana and K as they go to meet this, the fence one of the things that cast does at the beginning, he tells them. Okay. So this is how we find her. We have to go to this particular tea shop. We have to order this particular T off-menu. That's how she will know that we are there for a purpose. Particular thing. And the funny thing is Nina is neither is hell a literate and she speak? I don't, I can't remember how we'll just did she say she speaks is she she's probably see all of them, right? Because she ordered she was she shows that she can order the T in the Chute language and Tall your kind of perks up and he starts talking to her and shoe.

1:18:24 She's like, yes, tell me more. I was like yeah they're going to be best friends. They're That they're going to eat all the time and they're gonna sit there and and do the fighting and doing the translate. Like I can see her and told you're being very good friends. Yeah. Like shouts shouts and sell to Nina being a total foodie. They say I wonder if it's going to have what does he's going to have like floral notes? Or there's a dance is like if you drink it. It's tea, she says she sent me. Of course, she's a food because she eats all the damn time, so it's like she knows exactly what everything tastes like, cuz she eats everything, right?

1:19:04 Right. But it's one of those things where you remember watching this scene now, where Nina and Kaz are meeting with the fence and they have this custom. When you drink tea, you know, you touch your fingertip to the T, you touch your forehead, you flick, you flick the Extra moisture off and then you touch your forehead and Nina does it? No problem cats? However, it does not. And she kind of calls Kaz out on it. She was like, so, again Nina introduce them as husband and wife she was like so does your husband have a problem with my countries cultures or my cultures customs?

1:19:46 And I was like, okay Kaz you're you're about to be looked at as being our equivalent of a bigot or racist or you know whatever you better do the damn thing. And when Nina kind of presses him about it, he takes off his gloves and he does the thing and you can see and he does that extra flick with the water. I was like, yeah he don't want none of this shit touching him, none of it. I mean, chefs out to him for for sucking it up and doing it and not doing it with the glove on and be like. I half expected him to do it with the glove one to be like, but because that that would have been. Yeah, I think that would have been disrespectful to the culture and like Nina said we came all this way for this like I don't know what your issue is but you need to fix it. Now what I do realize is that in this scene once we see what happens in Nash is fully aware of what his His issue is because what happens is once she realizes that they are thieves. She signals, I guess one of her servant girls and when cast gets up the woman, waist tea on him.

1:21:03 And of course, he starts flashing back to the water, he turns around, and he's on the table, he's like hyperventilating and Nina grabs his hand, and she was like, Brecker just breathe. When she touches his hand, he has the flashback to when he's touching the Everybody on the barge, he panics he runs and he starts bumping into people and every time somebody touches him, you kind of see those flashes go in and out of his mind and then all of a sudden, you see an ash pulling him into an Alleyway. And she sits him down and she backs off real quick. And he turns and he sees her and it's almost like he gets embarrassed and almost in the same breath. He gets upset, you were supposed to tell her. She was like I couldn't leave you not like this and then she puts his gloves next to him and she and she leaves. So I was like, oh okay.

1:21:58 So she is aware of what his what his triggers are. And again I think Anthony you were the one who said it if she pays half as much attention to him as he pays to her, she probably knew it and just never said anything because if he's not going to say anything why would you bring it up? You know. But she knew enough to Like oh shit. I need to go help him and she got, she got him out of that crowd. She got him in a place where he could kind of collect himself because he had a complete freak out. Oh my God. Yeah, we completely, like, we never seen him like that ever. And I know that definitely and, you know, him in the clinical world, you realize that he has a serious serious problem because it will totally interfere with his Day-to-day life, mmm-hmm. Like those gloves are his crutch. Hmm, yeah.

1:22:56 Yeah. I mean, just like Laura said in the last episode 2, she was like, she was like a pecker Rollins knew that about cast. So she could have killed, he could have killed him easy any number? Yeah, any number of people, as they even had an inkling that he was like that they would have removed him years ago, but see, here's the other problem with that. He's putting himself out there because For the first time in a long time, You know, it's not just a job anymore. They want to actually help so as he interacts more and more with people, and not just the crows and not just keter. Damn, maybe he'll start to come out of it a little bit more. He has interaction with people because sometimes, if you're stuck in the same area, the same people, the same thing, whatever phobia you have intensifies, but as you get away from it may be a different environment can help. So he might actually without thinking about it, get better. Better down the line.

1:23:55 I mean, does that make sense? It does and it's like I you know I just kind of wonder what therapy is like in this world because he definitely needs that. I don't think it it doesn't exist food and wine and maybe an opinion, maybe the confidence of good friends. I you know we're kind of confidence. You talking about you talking about I'm talking about like, Jasper, Mesh like what you're talking about. I thought some out the Menagerie you know those confidence of those do because now because if cats can't even if he if he is to the point where he struggles to even just touch and mash with a cloth so that he can help clean up a womb.

1:24:45 You best believe Cass. Cass has never been intimate with anybody. I can I can probably tell you that without a fact. Oh no specific. Okay no, no, yeah. I know some people probably do go to the Menagerie for, you know, whatever ails them but you did not. Didn't someone say that before in this show. I don't know if I'm confusing my shows but they guys are just go to those places just to talk sometimes and that's how a lot of these guys get their information. A lot of the people like the woman who was in charge of the money.

1:25:25 Sorry, I can't remember her name, constantly. Remember she had a lot of influence because you probably use some stuff and the same thing with Pekka Rollins. You know, you kind of learn things about people when they're in those places because there is a little bit of therapy that goes on. This is a person I can talk to in the quiet of this place and I have to worry about it. Going anywhere else, right? So, this is something repea. Yeah, it's just like the champagne room in a strip club. There's also I would know anything about that. There's also monasteries, there's also religious places where if you're feel comfortable enough, maybe they can go and talk that might be their type of therapy that they have in that world is a monastery religious order.

1:26:11 Yeah. Well, the convent, we just go to the convent and do what you do it not or brick you into a cell and stuff like that and all her stuff but that that that would probably be the only time. Of therapy that they probably have, unless they go to different areas other than where they're at. And maybe find that there's like meditative practices somewhere else, or there's a different approach. I mean, I don't think that he can go do yoga to, to chill out. Okay, let's just put it that way. Yeah, yeah. But okay, we're running law. So let's get to it.

1:26:51 Let's get to the important part. So of course, they have tracked the fence to our house. They know where her routine is going to be like for the evening. So what they decide to do is Nina and Zoya have to team up, they're going to track her, make sure she doesn't go back home. Jesper wildin Kaz, Toya and Dinesh. They're going to go to the home to try to steal the sword because they believe that's where she has it. So they break into the home. And the home is booby-trapped. It's a tribe. They get stuck in the house and there's a gas there that basically knocks them out.

1:27:40 It causes hallucinations and it is killing them. Now the triple whammy and IQ out hallucinations and is killing you. I mean, Alicia, well, I guess depending on the loose Nation, either die really happy or really badly either. I mean, you know, you have a good, a good whose Nation or a bad trip. So, let's talk about these hallucinations and toys sits down and starts doing breathing exercises. It kind of reminded me of Harlem Nights when Danny Aiello has character was in Say they were like take deep, take little bitty breast like calm. Yeah, the rest of them are having some issues though because like, yeah, triple whammy but before all of that, we are talked about the fact that she got the drop on Nina. And I was sitting here looking at. This is hand like if you kill me now, I'm coming through this TV for you.

1:28:47 Me too. I was like Nina and Zoya are tracking her through the market and they don't want to be working together as it is, so Zaya takes off and she's tracking the lady. First of all, I was like Zoila, you're not being subtle enough. Like anybody with half a brain would be able to tell that somebody is following them and she comes around the corner and old chick is gone. I was like, yeah. Y'all back to being. Yeah, about to be fucked up. I was not expecting. Her to get the drop on them, the way she did. I was like, oh, this bitch can fight like there has to be something more to who she is, because you have the house tract which yes, that could be because of the sword.

1:29:40 But I was also starting to feel like, okay. Is she the disciple? Because she knew that she was being followed. She probably knew they were coming to her house that night, especially if she had already. Deduced, that they were fees. She was probably expecting them like oh okay. They're about to try this. Yeah. Okay. Well, she knew that they were going to try to follow her to find out where she lives or whatever, the tracker the see where she's, you know, you didn't take anyone with half a brain and her situation to realize, you know, to be able to pick out a person following you. Mmm.

1:30:20 Right. Especially if it's somebody that y'all are in a city that you've never been to you probably stand out, and she probably has contacts all around that City. Like, yo, they're over here that way if we will see an employee of the disciple. And if you want to talk to the disciple, you have to go through her. Then she's probably going to be a force to be reckoned with. It is very sad for the trust her enough to do that or to be You know, the gatekeeper if she's already proven that, she's very insightful by being able to tell that they are that they weren't married at first and no one knowing that they were full of shit. Initially, there's like, you know, that there's, you know, that she's going to be paying attention to every to her surroundings at every moment.

1:31:08 So there's like, nope. If you look a calf and you look at Mila, you know, those two motherfuckers is not Mary. What did she say? I always thought courage. People were a little more affectionate. No nina was like oh but when we're alone, he's all hands. Aren't you waffles? But I tell you he's looking like a decrepit. Old man fitting their proof. Do! Y'all are not Mary? I'm so sorry. When he's got bruising on his face and that doesn't help like he already looks mean.

1:31:52 It would have been better if he was taught to Toya and her then you could do. They might be married, you know? Yeah, yeah, I can see that, especially considering how well we see they get along so far the chemistry like, literally, From the moment, those two groups met she was like, oh God, he was sharing food with her and she's taking my shoes like. All right, dried squid. Before I feel God, my God, he's gonna kill me. I've given away all my dried squid, I really do. Yeah, that's okay. He's for me, he's formulating friendships, I'm telling you him and Nina. They're going to be besties.

1:32:36 I feel it in my soul. But yeah. So anyway, like I said, the fence Koval is her name. She gets the drop on Nina, but Zoya comes to the rescue a little bit late now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean it works. She's okay. Now they just have to go find Kaz and I'm a rescue down because like I said there's a there's a very Were in the air? Yeah. Oh sad. No hazama pass out. I wonder how many motherfuckers Nina has killed by pretending to be dead?

1:33:18 Yeah, I mean like you think you got her? Oh, you're a spy. You started choking her out or she's dead. You turn your back in the next thing in there. Yeah, here the afterlife. Yeah, you might don't sleep on the other people, you feeny's all nice and cuddly and cute, but I don't lose by for carrying a hoot. That she murdered the same. But anyway, the last the last thing that we see in the episode is when everyone starts passing out at the house passes last one fall and when he falls backwards to the floor, we see him Splash into some water.

1:34:06 And that's when I said hallucination. Yes, he's pulled out of the water by his brother. His brother was like, did you think that was it? Did you think I'd go away so easily? Do you think you were going to get out of this so easily? And he pushes cast back into the water. And then the episode goes off, I was like, oh, so we were talking about Kaz and his trauma. This is not going to do anything to help. If anything, this is about to make it ten times worse. Sit back, man. It's not like he's been making progress. So I would say it's been a little bit of progress just because You know, him admitting to Jasper or Jesper.

1:35:00 Putting the idea out there, that, oh, you were going to say that you can do this job without me and that, you know, we like brothers and brothers sometimes fight, but at the end of the day, we have each other's backs and calves was like, yep. That's what I was. But that didn't require any tension. It's not as well. Let's see, that's good. I don't think the touching is the only thing that he needs to work through him, opening up to people him. Getting close to people him. Just letting his guard down a little. We didn't see a lot of that in season 1. And I feel like we're starting to see a little bit of that and season to Granite is not by choice, I don't think, but the fact that he is showing some vulnerability to his crows, I think that is progress. Even though it may not be a progress that he's initiating, it is there and it's giving them the opportunity. Help him because Kaz also is not the type of person who's going to ask for help.

1:36:01 Well, he's not going to make any progress in any like that is a little bit of cognitive, but if he can get himself to emotionally, open up to people, it might lead to him, being able to touch people. I don't think that's possible. I think the only thing he is speaking, you know, no only thing is going to work for him as exposure. He's going to have to be exposed to touching people and until he does that he's really could have a hard time opening up to people because it's like turning his back on and there's he wants her. He can't look at her when she's like that because he wants to touch her like he can emote with her. All he wants to but as long as he's not You long as he has an aversion to touching people.

1:36:59 He's not going to let people in any further than me already. Yeah, like, you know he can see those things to to Mom just for desperate but he's not going to give him a big sloppy hug and a kiss is this is not going to happen. Yeah. Yeah you can't even look at it and there's she saw a little bit of Flesh. He can't because his urge to touch her is like really really a problem for him. Yeah. Yeah, and and I don't, I don't even know if cognitive therapy work for him because he's his intelligence level is too high. You just have to throw him and make him strip down and throw him in a room full of bodies. And people will arrive them and just force him to. Now, that's, that's not how the I like have to do a little bit of the time, like, we have to cut out little holes in the fingertips of the glow.

1:37:56 Of freaking touch people and we work from there. Yeah. Ain't no cutting holes. You guys start with one? No I'm you don't have to start with one and a half to be the smallest hole to allow for the least amount of 44 and the with therapy in him. But or we have to him, Miss gloves, and we have to start them off with a really fine Miss and as we go along. Along. We're going to do a larger and larger mesh because at least he will still have the feeling that he has gloves on, so we have to do that.

1:38:36 Yeah, but, yeah, cash, he definitely needs some serum, he's really gonna need it after. After them, a little bit of cognitive therapy, we will have to throw a little bit cognitively. Really exposures probably going to be the best friend. Yeah, this will guide him in the situation is probably the only way we're gonna get him out. Yeah, that's true. Hmm. Oh okay, so we can hit shrink as in the next episode because I know that's good. If that's how you start out this. This hallucination, that's not good. And not at all, not at all because in, there's PTSD, throwing them are too bad. That's that just compounds the issue and now your dead brother speaking to you, like oh you thought you thought you were going to get away from. Me, you thought it was going to be this easy? No.

1:39:30 Like and fix them in the wall. I was like Kansas is going to be so much more fucked up after this. Like so now we then then we're gonna have to also give him some coping skills to deal with the PTSD to just, he's got a lot going on. I just want to wrap him in bubble wrap and then give him a hug because he needs it. He really does. And like I said it's so weird seeing Freddy Carter played this character so well the way that he does because every time I see him on a video he's laughing and smiling. Like I just I just finished watching before we started recording, they released the season to blooper reel, on the Instagram Channel, and he's just laughing and smiling and making jokes.

1:40:23 And it's just yeah. Yeah. Wrap my calves up in some bubble wrap and just protect him at all costs. Yeah, he's so cool. And I love how you use this like way different than he really is. Like as far as like being being who he is and being cast as like those are two entirely different people. Hmm. Yes it's amazing. So because Jasper's basically the same person in real life in and he really is he's just exactly the same while into Here meets assuming is different from an edge. Because where's the nearest kind of?

1:41:05 I won't say she's hard. But yeah, in a sense she is hard and she's very, she's not very, not a very happy person because she has this, you know, she's basically she's afraid. She's an assassin. She deals with all this serious stuff and amides assumed as she is. So funny in real life is she's also one of those people she Gets very, she is embarrassed very easily. She's always doing this. When people are talking to her when she gets a compliment like she gets like, she's so sweet. So it's like, yes, it's interesting. Watching them in real life and then seeing them on the show. Like wow, y'all are asking your asses off for real.

1:41:47 So I'm sorry. Sad note for those listeners who are in the therapy thing, I'm not a therapist. I do know the exposure and cognitive He are used for PTSD. It's just that I think his phobia of the touching we can't have to do with that as a serpent issue. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to do the exposure and cognitive therapy to work through all of that. The poor child the same. It's going to make sure I don't want people to think. I don't know what I'm talking about. Right. Oh yeah. I have any other thoughts on this episode.

1:42:29 That was a lot. There's a lot going on. There's a lot. Like, after the first two episodes, they have been zipping along. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie, the rule of the fourth episode and now we're in the five has helped out the show because I was, will be worried episodes one to him. And, and most of the three, I was really worried about your show. I was really trying to figure out how I was going to make. Oh yeah, we didn't talk about Pekka. Oh yes, you're right. Pekka, he is a hell, yeah. He's, yeah, he's Alpha you through. I think it's interesting that now, you are a prisoner in in the prison where you were controlling and paying off the guards.

1:43:19 All that's about to pay off that now. Yeah, because he comes into the ring or not the ring. They do have a fight but it's not the rain. He comes to the center of whatever. This this law area is and Mattias is roommate. Comes out and holds his hand out. Like he's welcoming Pekka. We caught, because of cellmates, that's my roommate. Yeah. Okay. So when Steals and 11 steals the summit Isis, cellmates comes out, holds out his hand to Pekka because the guards have just, I'm like the Guards that you pay are now throwing you face down on the ground like oh yeah, oh how the mighty have fallen right?

1:44:27 Supposedly. So when he pulls him up, he has, is it a rock that he's like, holding something up against Pekka's neck and he's telling everyone like oh my brother Damien which is, which was his previous cell, mate? You know fell. Because of the orders of this guy. So basically, he has an ax to grind with Pekka, which most of the people in that prison probably do, but Pekka lets it be known real quick. I ain't the one. He pushes that dude on the ground, he picks up the rock that he had puts it in a guess at there was a pillowcase out there.

1:45:09 Something he starts bashing but he's brain in, bashing his face in and then when he's done with The Rock, he finishes Off With His Hands. He gets up and he was like I'm just letting y'all know. I a Corrales I am not about to get killed by some random ass fool. It was like y'all can either work for me or I'll kill you. You decide how you want this to play out. Now the other prisoners are holding Mattias back because he's trying to help his cellmate. And once the fighting is over, he goes over to the guy. And when I tell you, I was like I just got a good look at his face. When I watched it again tonight.

1:45:55 I didn't realize that his I was closed up to the point, but you can still see the inside of his eye because it was just that it was, I was I was like, okay, this is like maybe almost on the level of Walking Dead Glenn when he got his face smashed in But Mattias is trying to get a doctor to do was like, nope, he was like, don't do this. He was like, what did he say? Make sure I'm very under, the roots of ash tree, so that jail will accept me. And he said, you have to live your life for you. You have to, you have to make it count. Basically, telling the sighs.

1:46:35 Look don't get stuck in here. Figure out what you need to do and do it. and the look that Mattias gives pecker at the end of that I was like this should be some shit cuz he about to go after Pekka. He's not, he's not going to go out to pick it and then taking that going to mess with him because picking them want that smoke. But pakka has to pecker, has two other people in the in the prison behind the Vives. Watch this motherfucker with the cannibals ass. So then I gonna fuck with him either. Like, we like you're picking. Yeah. You did not pick a bit. We're not about to jump this dude over here.

1:47:18 You can, you know, he's, he's good at long. See a mess with us. We're good. I think pink is going to have to, if pick who's gonna have a problem with him, which he really shouldn't. Other than, I mean, that was a cellmate. Oh, no, he's gonna have a problem with them because you have to remember, Pekka knows who Mattias is Lena, matthijs is a new pic, is he significance? Mattias ain't I'm saying, I don't understand about my tiger, he from his proof from his perspective. You didn't really is not much of anything. Now, Peckham me be thinking, just do me. Come after me for some reason, but I don't, but he would have to I don't think it's going to be that pack of knows who Mattias is because of Nina and Nina is, the reason part of the reason his ass is in.

1:48:20 Hell Gate. Now Mattias is on his radar. I guarantee you that, right, but he doesn't, he doesn't really have any reason to go after Mattias. He doesn't have reason to go after it like okay. But highest knows Nina. Any of those with ice. He's over everything about Mattias, but when Pick a does this have anything to do with? With Mattias. Mina is the reason Pekka is in Hell Gate right now. So I know. So did you need to give me the kill with highest? Yes. Just to get back at Nina. Yeah.

1:49:01 So yeah, that that's going to be a problem, either way. I don't care where Pinker says to me. I ain't fucking with that dude, because he went to Canada. Was an actress right period. I'm sorry, figure out, ya know, we'll see how that goes, but yeah, I have I have a feeling that one speckle realized like Pekka's in there. He's my tires, especially one. If he sees Mattias like we saw Machias looking at him and we saw pecker, kind of look towards his Direction. I don't think he was looking Looking at Matias because Matias was over the now dead body of his cell mate. But if he sees Mattias over that cellmate that he just killed and nobody else is paying attention to the cell. Mate, he's going to know, okay?

1:49:51 So this guy was important to him. However small that importance was he at least cared enough about him to go over there while he's dying. Hmm. This is also the boyfriend of the heart render. That just fucked me over and sent me here. Peggy, be his research, after he figured out what was going on, which, I'm sure he did. He knows that she's a reason that Mattias is in there. And so, the smart thing for him to do is be like, hey, I know she put your ass in here and she really didn't try to get you out. Join me, and we figured a way out of this. Yeah, if you help me out, I'll help you out and we can get revenge on this beach.

1:50:35 They put us both in. In here. You seem like you see you have to realize this. How pick a things? Yeah. Do you thinking on how I can turn all of this to my advantage? He's already the big dog in the prison. He was a big dog out. He's a big dog in. We have a whole history in our world of mafia boss is running things from the prison gang leaders. Really things from the prison. Why shouldn't Pekka be any different, right? Yeah. Oh, and he obliterated that man that poor man's face. Like he, my question is, why did you think he? I mean I know I said it in the last episode. Hell Gate is for the worst of the worst, but still, why did you think that you was going to run up on Pekka Rollins? And come out the Victor in that.

1:51:30 I mean, maybe he was thinking okay, you know what all these other folks in here are probably in here because of Pekka, he probably thought he was going to have some help now, I think he thought. Yeah, the drop on them. Is this that he couldn't be can close the deal, you know? Maybe he was 10, 15 years younger, he made had may have had a shot, but maybe but Pekka, was definitely in better shape than him, and pick a hat. And also pick is a man who at some point, his life didn't have anything to lose. Like he had nothing to lose and everything to gain by killing this man. That's true.

1:52:12 So that's true. Because noticed, like, the guards, nobody came. Nobody stopped them. It was just kind of like, Oh well one less mouth to feed. Or we got one, we lost 10. Well call it even. So yeah, that was episode 5 and now we have three episodes left. They have a lot of ground to cover but I don't think it'll be a problem especially with the way they've gone these last couple of episodes like they are moving through the story. Now, I will say this So I'm wondering what they are changing from the books to the screen, because at this point from where Elena and Nikolai, not all of them are, you know, they're in these caves. It looks kind of like, you know, church pews that she's sitting on at this point in the story in the book, The apparatus makes a reappearance and it becomes this really weird. Really weird cultish type thing where you know there are his followers and they are worshipers of the sun Summoner to the point where they're keeping Alina captive because she's weak, and there was like a whole fight between her and cure again that has not happened and I don't think will happen. So it's gonna be interesting to see if they're not going to do this part of the story, that's

1:53:43 in the books, how they're going to change it. And I know they probably We will just because of the fact that right now, they even have the twins separated and the twins in the books were part of this. I won't say they were part of the cult, but they are also worshippers of Santa Elena and I think they were working for the apparatus at some point and then they stop working for him and they were completely loyal to Elena. So it's going to be interesting to see what They do with the story moving forward. Like I said we only have three more episodes left. And if they haven't done that, At this point in the show, I doubt if they're going to do it. If they do a season 3 and maybe that'll come in and season 3, however, they do that.

1:54:30 But I'm just I'm curious to see what direction they're going to go with with the rest of their season. So any final thoughts. Yeah, this was they put add a I didn't think about it until we almost forgot about pick a Rollins. They packed a lot of shit into this episode. Did finger like, they're like four or five different storylines going at the same time in this, but she didn't feel right? But you didn't feel rushed and it didn't feel like anything was was lacking or being missing, you know, that they were all pretty. Ernst.

1:55:12 So they got a lot because of, you know, having the limited, you know, episodes, but I'll give them this. They really, really move the story ahead a lot and I enjoyed it thoroughly. I really, really enjoyed the next episode which I have notes on but this episode and I didn't get to talk about episode 4 but episode 4 I thought was absolutely brilliant and I loved how they got. Pekka, I love how they used the kid, and I think I just, I was sort of sad when it ended and I was like, hello halfway point. So yeah. Yeah.

1:55:54 I know, I wish you were here yesterday. I was like we could we could have just we could have leverage that episode out. I was like, man. I miss my homie. Yeah, a lot of Leverage references in that for that episode. A lot of Leverage. I got leverage episodes. Episode 7. Not 66 is are Bending or bending in. General 7 is leverage. Yeah, yeah, they're piecing replacing again, is Ben has been really good. Everything has been really good. It's much better. They learned a lot of lessons from last season. Hmm. You know, as far as far as how everything is done. So yeah, like I said, episodes, four five, great.

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