Stranger Things (Season 5 Volume 1) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #390

0:25 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Anthony and Michelle. And we are discussing finally on this show, Stranger Things. How long have we been trying to do Stranger Things? We've been trying to do Stranger Things since, what, Season 3? And we just have not had a chance. And but that's not even why I'm saying that. Oh I know, I know why you're saying it, but. OK, you know what I'm saying it for. It has multiple meanings for this. OK, We've been we've been talking about things outside of the podcast, right? And we've been wanting to do it. We just have, I mean, even this right here, we're about to discuss volume 1.

1:06 We've been trying to do volume one since Thanksgiving. It is 2 days before Christmas and we are just like, we have rescheduled this so many times because of our schedules. But this is Michelle's thing. Y'all, y'all know how everybody has their their fandoms Like everybody knows with me it was Harry Potter and then it's Outlander Walking Dead. For Anthony, it's Star Wars and Lord of the Things. Stranger Things is Michelle's jam and she has been itching, itching, itching for us to discuss it. So we're finally here. We're going to talk about Season 5 Volume 1, which includes the 1st 4 episodes of the final season. Of the show, right?

1:50 Oh, another. About damn time. We've been waiting for years for the final season. Yeah, yes, we have that is, and that's the crazy thing. This show is five seasons. They've been doing this for 11 years. That's crazy it. Is. Like in that time. Like. Millie, Bobby. Brown is a grown. Yeah, she's gotten married and has a baby now. Big grown people. What big grown? Watching this first episode, I'm like, these are adults. They are adults. They are I still. And I do, like Michelle said, I do work with high school kids and yes, some, most of them, a lot of them look like adults, but still.

2:38 It's jarring. It's it's jarring especially when we've seen them literally grow up on screen. I think that's the case not just with this show, but even the shows where we watch them like gradually progress. Like watching Chandler Riggs grow up on The Walking Dead. You know, there wasn't a lot of long hiatuses with that show, but still we watched him from a little bitty kid to pretty much a grown man on that show. So it's just it's it's very weird to see. And then watching all of their cast interviews and stuff lately, I'm just like, wow, this is, it's so weird. They're grown.

3:19 They're like really, really grown. But anyway, let's get into this Volume 1 because there's a lot to talk about. We're not going to do a lot of recast because if you're watching or listening to us right now discuss Stranger Things and you don't know what's going on with Stranger Things, you in the wrong place. This is not for you. This is. Not for you, if you don't mind, you know, spoilers, that's fine. But I think we all pretty much if we're here, we we're caught up, we know what's going on, so we could just talk about the good, the bad and the ugly with volume one. The first thing I'm going to mention is they start off the show episode one with a flashback of Will when he gets when he's in the upside down. He's been in the upside down at this point for I think 4 days when when this particular episode starts. So you get to see him running from the Demogorgon. You see his first encounter with Vecna. The the thing with the the the the the sucking or the the pudding, whatever in his.

4:29 I've dealt with enough gross stuff in the last month. After watching Welcome to Dairy I was like. And then I'm still like it's playing in the background and I'm still wondering what is it, right? What is it? Because that's. The it's the the stuff, the. But he kept him alive though, because that's how Hopper and Joyce found him. And that is what and that is what's happening to the kids right now. So I'm like black smoke, right? It it gives is it giving the nutrients like it's some ambiotic fluid with the stuff in it like what is happening I.

5:10 Don't know but it's I. Guess that's something that ain't thinking about. Like how is it keeping them with substance and stuff? It's disgusting. And then he went. So. So when he went into, when he went to OK, never mind, 'cause it came out, did it come out the back too? I'm just wondering. I was going to leave that one alone. That's just my thoughts. I mean, these are things that we wonder. I mean, you know, but I went when we were watching this scene or when I was watching this scene, the thing that got me, first of all, the the technology that they used to put Noah Schnapp's face on to the little kid was really interesting because I really thought this was another little kid that they just got to look like him. Then I found out I actually know one of the actors who double as, who worked as his body double in this particular episode. And he's a he's a, a a shorter actor, younger actor. And he was telling me that, you know, they kind of transpose the face on several of them to kind of get different angles, I think throughout the season.

6:21 But I heard Noah talking about and I was like, oh, that's interesting because I really thought this look, I was like, did they film this before or what did they do? But it was interesting because the I mean, they did a pretty good job. It was better than Renee's man Twilight. I will say that the the. The aging technology has gotten, Yeah. Better it it was better than Guardians of the Galaxy 2. It was definitely better than Miss Captain Marvel. Yeah, with so it, it is it's got what and that was been years ago so it has gotten better, right but. In the transposing, it's better than what's that movie Star Wars? Rogue One.

7:06 They did it with Leia. Yes. And it's also they did it in. They did it in the Mandalorians. Did Mandalorian with? Luke. Luke Yeah, yeah. So the the missing of those technologies got got so much better. Yeah, yeah. But so we see Will and council buyers. He's hiding from the Demogorgon. Demogorgon finds him, starts chasing him. Now, the thing that got me was when Will was climbing up the tree to get away from him, He I think he would have been fine. But as soon as he saw the Demogorgon, you hear him do the loud breathing. I was like, why don't why do kids do that? Why do people do that when you're hiding and you make this obvious noise like drawing the attention and then he's in the tree.

7:57 He jumps over to another tree to get away from the Demogorgon. He starts falling. His strap, his book bag strap gets caught on one of the limbs and he just turns his head and watches as the strap comes undone instead of grabbing for the strap to hold on. I was like, I know he's only what, 12 at this point, but I was just like, because that's one thing When I was a kid playing with the book back, that was one of the things you always did. You play it with the strap. You let the strap loose, you pull it back. You let the strap loose, you pull it back. It was like, you could have easily done that. I mean the Demogorgon probably still would have gotten him, but you would have at least at least try. Well, again, this is first time being kidnapped. And you do have to say that with this character like this. Time being in a tree, hanging by your book bag. Right, you know, and the upside down, you know, Yeah. Now, now they you know, all the kids after season 1 are is ready to fight.

9:04 But this time, this was the first. I was just. Like this was the first. You you could have did a little bit more will, but of course, if he did that, then we wouldn't have the story that we have now. So, you know, I guess it, I guess it, I don't want to say worked out because he's been he's been struggling for a while since then. But I will say this, one of the things I love about this first volume, he doesn't feel as on the outside as he has seasons 2 through 4. Like, you know, it was always the friend group and then he was kind of to the side. And I really like that.

9:48 It feels like the guys are being better friends to him now. And I don't know if that's because Hawkins is cut off from everything else and they're all just kind of stuck together. But even with the scenes with Mike, you know when you see Mike and Elle, at least in the last few seasons, like those two really got on my nerves. Like I understand teenage hormones and first love and all that. And and and. Got on my nerves. And that's pretty much, that's pretty much it. It, I think with this is because there is a goal, there is a is a purpose, but not just out being teenagers. If we were out just being teenagers, then it still may be a little different. And I think also that Will is starting to become his own 'cause like, after that conversation in Season 4 with, you know, with his brother and everything. So he's starting to, you know, like, not just stay on the side. Yeah.

10:53 Yeah, I. Also think they had a little bit of reconciliation at the end of season 4. I think, yeah, that too. And now and now they're there's, you know, there's a goal and everyone's on the team and everyone contributes to this goal. Yeah, and I, I like that we see that because the last few seasons it's kind of like you, I really felt like for you guys to be so worried about Will season 1 when he was missing and everything, I feel like the kids took it for granted that oh, we got him back and he's here and they treated him like trash. Like, I was really angry at these kids the last few seasons because it felt like, you know, this is a kid who y'all went through so much to try to get him back and now that y'all have him back, y'all are still kind of pushing him to the side and not paying attention to him. But and they all been they've been like that period. They all have not been good friends at certain point to even each other.

11:56 Well, they got and. Other things. Like 11 and we. Don't even. Listen, has Susie. No, no, no, no, Mike just not been a good friend who has. Nothing. And that's it. Mike has not been a good friend. Yeah. But Mike is not the only one though. Lucas is his friend, and so is destiny. OK, so we won't even want to get there but. Mike is the yeah, but it's. Mike is the his friend friend and Mike being his main friend, like even though they are a group of friends, like they were the first little part. So Mike should have been like, hey, cuz even in season 1 it wasn't Mike who was like, let's go look, let's go Will. Actually it was episode where Lucas was like, forget all this, we need to be finding this boy.

12:44 Where will that Let's find Will. It's now Mike is caught up with 11. However, I mean however they and then they treated Lucas wrong in season 4 so. But you know what I will say? This too caught up with 11. He didn't have time for Mike. What about? What about Season 4? You didn't have time for Will. What about season 4? I will say this too and and you kind of see a little bit of that with Dustin in this season. Lucas was being a bit of an asshole in week. 4 No, No, no, no, no. No, no, no. OK, so wanted. To be with the popular guy, No, But he did. He tell. He said why. He kept telling them why.

13:25 He kept telling him why. So that boy was balancing trying to be on the basketball team for them to become popular. He said. I'm trying to get us not to get picked over. At the same time, he's still in the Hellfire Club. One day he asked for them to come to the game. Important game to him. They did not show up. They didn't really ask for the the campaign to be postponed. They literally went to his sister, grabbed his sister, they won, walk out. He actually did something great. No one even knows he is sitting there playing Mission Impossible. He is following these boys around knowing something is wrong but trying to cover for his friends at the same time.

14:09 I'm sorry, he was more of a friend. And I get that part, I do. But I think the thing that that bothered me about Lucas and that whole thing was that group has never wanted to be popular. And I get you wanting to, you know, keep them from getting picked on or whatever. But if if the rest of your friends are telling you we're really not interested in in, in that whole thing, you know, for you to still be like, OK, well, I'm trying to help us out. Whatever. We don't want that kind of help. We we don't want it now. Should they have gone to this game? Yes. Does it help them out now? Yeah, because he walk around the school he about to beat up people and no one messes with.

14:55 But that had nothing to do with him being on the team. That had to do with him standing up to the team, which he should have been doing in the first place. Like, like, well, you know, it was hard for tom-tom Cruise, though. Tom Cruise was charismatic, you know what I'm saying? He was, until he wasn't. No. Even even Lucas said I'm sorry I came knocking because you are bat shit crazy outside friends, we'll be having cursing on this this episode, but. We ground, we alright. But Tom Cruise was charismatic. Though, Well, you know what? I look. Until he wasn't. Because he he because he was into that whole like he, he started out fate to me, like the whole pep talk and blah blah. I was like, Oh, you finna be one of these bullshit characters, right?

15:44 It is. You know that that that makes everyone like you. And then when you look at how he really is, it's horrible And, and guess what? He ends up becoming sorry car car salesman. He'll end up being car salesman in his hometown, but in high school, that is his peak and everyone loves him. Yeah, he did. OK. Yeah, he did OK. I could straight down, right? And he sure did. Absolutely. OK, so so we can agree that everyone has just been just. I mean, it's that growing pains that they're going through puberty, they're going through that whole transition from middle school to high school. So there are there's gonna be some, some disagreements and stuff, but it, it, it's kind of like I, I kind of felt like Lucas was losing the focus of what that friend group was in the pursuit of trying to be part of the, the popular kids or part of the kids.

16:47 That's not, it's kind of like March with the the Patty cakes on welcome to dairy. Like, you know, these kids are assholes, but because they're the popular assholes, you want to be a part of that group and you're ignoring either your gut feeling or you're ignoring what your friends are telling you. Like, hey, this is not you. And he, I don't know. I just feel like they're, I don't know, there was a better way he could have approached that which. I still I we can agree with this grass. I still disagree with that because I still think he his intentions were good, but he also was a good athlete. So it was, I think it was OK for him to explore something different because that's the same with Mike and Will.

17:33 So like Will leaves and you don't even contact Will, but that's another, see, that's another story. But we'll go with go with who's in Hopkins. I think he was doing something different now, realizing that you you found another set of friends, you're trying to merge friends and that wasn't working. Then you realize the friends you were trying to merge with, not necessarily all of them, because the other black boy was going through some things too. That's why he got taken by Begna. But those wasn't the right people. But you still are a good athlete, you found out. Yeah, yeah. So and and so you can.

18:16 Have you can you can be the geek and you can be the athlete. He has to learn how to reconcile that just because you want to be something in the school that's not being picked on, that your friends don't want to, and that friend groups can't merge. That that's that's the key. And that's something that you learn in that's. Something you want to ask for? Your friend groups can't merge. And that you will meet and become friends with different groups of people. You may be in different groups, but you also got to stay true to your. Core to your core and that and I think. But your core has to also understand that you can be interested in other things and they didn't reconcile that part too with them.

18:56 I don't think that was the problem that they have with Lucas, but Lucas was Lucas. Oh yeah, they. They Lucas acted ashamed of of who they are and what they did. Like anytime the the basketball guys brought up like the Oh, you hanging with those nerves? Oh, no, Oh, I'm not a part of Hellfire. No, I don't know what you're talking about. When you get to the part where you have to lie about who you are to impress somebody else, that's when I start having a problem. With right, but I'm I'm just talking with the with the friend group. They even didn't reconcile that he could be doing something different. That's all I was. Talking about Oh no and, and yeah, and they were wrong for that, yeah, but. Yeah. So I he managed the situation as best he could for who he is, because I think we also forget that there is not many other black kids in the school.

19:50 Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah. So it's a, it's a, it's a combination. Yeah. It's just like y'all saying how you know Steve is wrong. See, I can't, you know I can't. I'm going cosign on Steve and Lucas. No, I'm just saying I'm going cosign for Steve and Lucas, but who I will not cosign for Will. What do we say to Steve was wrong? Nothing. I just think the two people I love, Lucas and Steve, that's what you just. Said just like y'all saying Steve is wrong. Who's? I say when y'all say something about Steve I will cosign too on Steve. I was just saying, I'm just saying she's pre empting us.

20:31 That's what she's doing. Even though Jonathan too wasn't even a good brother to wheel last season, he realized that he was he he was high most of the time when his brother needed me. Said it. I'm sorry but. You know what? I will say this for Jonathan. Somebody else said this on social media today and I was like, finally somebody said it. Like nobody really gives Jonathan the credit he deserves for the stuff that he has been through like this. This boy went when Joyce was working, you know, season 1. Joyce is working so much that Jonathan, a teenager, is put in charge of Will, which, you know, us Gen. X and older.

21:12 That's kind of how our parents did. Like you have the oldest siblings and they watch the younger siblings as, as you know, helping. But you know, now I look at that differently. Like they have them children. They shouldn't be responsible for those children. Jonathan had to literally take care of Will when Will was the one who came up missing. Joyce was like, well, you didn't even notice that he was. Why would why would he be the one? You're you're the he. Had a job? He had to be the one to go and like, really identify Will's body. He had to be the one to plan a funeral all on his own. He had to go and find their father like Jonathan had to deal with with a lot and and he has not had the proper support that he needed.

22:01 So Jonathan, I have my, I have my problems with him this season, but I really feel like Jonathan should really be given a break because everybody else supports all the other players or, you know, everybody else has somebody else's back. Nobody really has Jonathan's back. Not even. Not even. That's the curse of being the oldest. Yeah. You don't have that support because it's just you. Yeah. Right. You know and and you don't expect the support from anyone. Yeah. And I, I got nothing to say for Will, I mean not Will for Jonathan. I just, yeah.

22:43 Before before we get too deep, I just want to say the coolest scene to me was in this first episode was when Beston was getting picked on by the basketball players and Lucas come straight down the hall. I was like, oh, somebody about to get their ass whipped just. The whole energy in the scene changed and it's like Lucas isn't even. It's not like he he bulked up or anything. It was just the attitude. So when he comes in and he was like, hey, don't touch him anymore. Remember what happened when my sister kicked you in the nuts?

23:24 Well, I'm gonna kick you in the nuts and this is going to happen. Then Mike and the others come around and Mike was like, oh, I, you know, I think we need to take care of these mouth breathers. I was so. Yeah, right. It's like they don't. We understand, but nobody else understands what they have gone through, what they have had. They've been through the fire. They have crossed Burning Sea. I mean, they have done all this stuff and these little bullies. This is nothing. And that's my bone to pick with Dustin. Like Dustin, we got big official fry. Yeah, I know you want to keep Eddie's memory alive and I know you want to do all this, but like, why you keep messing with these bullies?

24:06 They mean nothing. He is what? You mean now we right I. I. Understand that, but we all grief not a different way. But can we not grieve by poking the bear? We not grieve right by instigating the bullies. Yeah. I'm not stirring them up, but. Right, because he, he, he has no focus on what they're doing. He doesn't. I mean, he still has the focus, but I, I also feel like Dustin is also in Dustin is also kind of in that he's in a similar place with where Jonathan is, where it's like everybody depends on Dustin for so much, especially Steve. You know, it's like, we got a problem or we're going to go to Dustin.

24:51 We need to figure this out or we're going to go to Dustin. And it's like Dustin is obviously grieving. Dustin was the one who sat there and watched the watched Eddie die. You know, he's the one who pulled Eddie into all of this. And so not only does he have grief because his friend is gone, but he also feels guilt. And then on top of that, life is pretty much gone on for everybody else. And the whole town is pretty much just written Eddie off because again, they're believing this false narrative that he's the cause of most of this stuff. And I can fit. Dustin is grieving and he is angry. He is and he.

25:32 Like, you know. And he has no fault. He's not focused. We can be complete. He doesn't, he's going along with the plans, but he's, he's stuck into his grief. He, he can't see the forest from the trees right now. Like they have a goal because you we can say the same thing with other other people that's in this family, especially grieving. I know he's focused. Because he's trying, Lucas, because he knows what the goal is. He he hasn't made it past that point. So somehow in volume to something's going to happen with pushing forward. Like, OK, now I have to do something. We really have to end this. We have to revenge Eddie's death and everything like that.

26:14 But right now, he's kind of stuck. I mean, they're all kind of stuck. But going back to what Anthony just said, yeah, Lucas, I mean, Lucas is different because I think Lucas, he's grieving, but his person is still there. There is still a chance that Max will come out of it. So I think it's different for Lucas and and Dustin because Lucas, his hope is right there. And don't you say, Anthony, but I'm just saying his hope is right there. Max is sitting right there in a hospital. But that can be worse. That can be worse. It can. Be, but at least there's a possibility. With Eddie, there's no possibility.

26:56 For right there's but you know what happened to him, but he went out in the right and you know. Coming back, you can't bring him back. You can't make him come back. And I know these are supposed to be teenagers and grief is really, really the loss of a loved 1 is really tough on teenagers. It's. Hard. On a lot of people, but it's especially hard on teens because they don't really know how to process their own their emotions in general, much less very intense emotion like the loss of a loved 1. So I understand his, his pain, but but my issue with him is they're, they have other stuff, like they have something that's considerably more important that even he knows. And he will probably say that, but for some reason, because of his grief, because of his not able to really process his anger, he can't move forward.

28:01 He's he's, he's really like Michelle said, he's stuck. A lot of them are kind of stuck, but he is stuck more than anyone. And that's why when when they all come up to him, when he's being bullied, they're looking at him like, what do you And they all see it too. Like why are you doing all this? Like you can be fine with keeping the Hellfire Club and wearing a shirt but like you are literally pushing the bullies buttons. But that's what happens a lot of times when people have when they're dealing with their grief and anger is like. Yeah, take it out on somebody. Not only that, but it's almost like, again, he feels guilt. So it's almost like he's wanting someone to take it out on him. He's wanting someone to punish him for what he feels like is his part in Eddie's death.

28:49 And I really feel like that's what it is. He may not recognize that that's what it is, but I, I really feel like Dustin feels like he deserves to be punished. You know what I'm saying? But also he's angry at these other people because y'all also contributed to this. So it's, it's kind of like it's one of those things where is it? He's like you said, Michelle, something major is going to have to happen for him to sit down and be like, OK, you know what? I've got to stop. I've got to let this go, but. Right. So he needs to he needs to do, he needs to do like short term goal, long term goal. Well, I know what's going to help him along because he's even treating the other person he's closest to like trash right now, which is Steve. So again, what's going to happen? I already know what's going to happen. Already.

29:43 No, we're not. We're not. But you know he's. Just a dead man, which is almost stated out loud. Because that that little, that little clip in the trailer where there's telling each other, you die, I die, you die and I do. Excuse me, gentlemen. What we are not doing is dying. We will not have any Steve Harrington or No No. But that will that will knock some sense to him like because Steve will do anything for him. So maybe that will get on board. But I if we kind of predict, I hope Steve don't die. Because ultimately, if you kill Steve, I really feel bad for Dustin because that's it.

30:23 Yeah. Like that's grief on top of grief and stuff. Now I don't necessarily feel like he feel guilty for bringing Andy in. They really was trying to help. I feel it's more guilty that you could not help him and then show people that he was a brave person who helped save the world type of person. But then you got another person you close to you was Eddie and Steve, two different people but you love both of them and they both die and everybody else get to go get married and run off in the lilies in the field. I'm going to have a problem with that. I do. I'm OK with the old people die because we we older the parents we die but he loses 2. Yeah, yeah.

31:08 And I think he's also lashing out at Steve because, again, it's, it's just one of those things. He's not processing his grief. He's like, oh, Eddie died, but you're still here. And I don't think he's upset that Steve is still there, but I just think he does not know where to place his anger and his grief right now. Right. You know? But yeah, because he's a teenager. So it's like it comes out in the whole, like, whole different ways. Yeah. Yeah. Especially given what they've been through the last few years. And other people, it has come like Will. Will has changed because he's becoming into himself. You know, he got taller. He still has the bowl cut. They were sitting there, that tear with a limp. She had grown.

31:50 Yeah, he, he's getting older, you see. He's he's, you know, understanding his feelings. Mike, he's still got 11, you know what I'm saying? 11 around Lucas, reason why he looked like that. He has matured, though, into himself because he is maintaining. I think after him and old he saw into the fight last season. He was like, oh, this actually happened again. I'm not. And then he literally had his his like girlfriend die in his arms. Then he came back. And then every day you go into the hospital and go visitor after school at the math tutoring. So that has a so you know, you walking.

32:31 Around math tutoring. I'm just saying, and this has been 18 months, right? He is still visiting her. So he has gotten, you know, he has gotten some AIDS on to him, some maturity. You know, he's becoming, he's becoming an adult. And he has that unfuck wit able attitude like. Right, because I've seen. I've seen it. You know what I'm saying? I've seen it all. I've seen it all. Yeah. Imagine you seeing someone twice lift up in the air last time. Liam's breaking blood coming out her eyes like come on now, that's a little too much. Yeah, yeah. And you know, ain't none of these kids getting therapy. None of none.

33:11 No, no, because all the therapists probably left town before they before the time, right, because the one person was going to therapy end up in the coma in the hospital. So we ain't going to that therapist. No, I'm sorry. All her patients was dead. Well, it was. A It was a school counselor. I don't care. I'm just joking. I don't care. We're not going to the school counselor for no referral. No, so OK, all right, let's move on to. Somebody. I really just wanted to say, yeah, Lucas, Lucas looked like he really was going to hurt somebody when he walked there. You know, I was waiting for it. I was like, oh, they going they going to bug up at Lucas and it's going to be a fight.

33:53 They didn't even try. Now. Lucas got in his face and then here comes like I was so impressed by Lucas and Mike and just it's almost like, look, we have faced down Vecna. You think we scared of you? And, and just the, the, the, the confidence that came out of both of them. When Mike said mouth breath, I was like, oh that version of mouth breather sounds so different from when it came out your mouth and season 1 like OK, I can get down. And the and the thing about with Mike, he wasn't even involved. He was just sitting in a piece of taller, holding it 11's hand. He didn't have to go through anything. Oh, last season.

34:41 I'm sorry he didn't, but OK, I I digress. I digress. I digress. He was in the buyer's house when they got shot up and he did get. Shot at So when? When? This season? Last season. Oh, yeah, The Call of Duty episode. Yeah. That's what it makes me think of. Yeah. You did see somebody die in the van and and also. The two agents in the house. Right yeah, I'm saying and as he you know died in alive but yeah, OK, there's a little trauma there yeah, I give him something he. Matured the movie, they all have it and then not to mention your girlfriend is the the main person that these government agencies everybody's trying to get and.

35:27 I'm giving Mike a hard time because honestly, I don't care for Mike. However, one of my things was hopefully he starts redeeming himself. This he better. Redeem himself. From He just had to grow. Up he had. He was a bad friend, yeah. Yeah, I mean, but but you know what? And and boy, Mike is but I'm. But listen, he has. Yeah, I like how he like how he is with his sister. Yeah, I like his art. I think you've given him more of a hard time than you said about being a bad friend. No, he he deserved it because he was a bad friend. But like I said, with this season, what we've seen so far in these 4 episodes, it seems like they've all matured and they are all being better friends, not just each other, but you get to see them interact with other people like. People and their grown up versions of season 1 like when you you were watching like an episode of season 1 and they are mature versions.

36:36 Right, but Mike wasn't great in season 1, but OK. No, he he actually. He was before 11 showed up, so yeah, he. Was he really was. Yeah, I know. I'm not as. Huge. I'm just joking. I'm just joking, but I'm just saying. I do. I'm liking how I'm liking how they're presenting Mike right now. That's what I'm saying. I'm I'm liking it. Like how he's taking care of his sister. I'm liking him. I'm I'm liking it. However, you shouldn't have lied to Hollywood and and told her monsters don't exist. Boy, and especially Hawkins, you know at any time something can just pop up of the ground but didn't. They come and didn't make any sense to me. I'm like, you would think that that would be the person he he was at least.

37:25 I know why because you got to think about it. What they went through was when they were young, right? Probably. Is it the same age? She is 12? Yeah, 'cause they, they aged Holly up. She's supposed to be like she's supposed to be 10 or 11. So you got to think about it's almost like how we say you kind of shelter your kids from seeing things that are adult to try to wait till they're older. So they've been through a lot from a young. So he's she's just trying, he's trying to protect her as long as he can. Well, he says, next year we were going to bring her into the D&D club.

38:05 Right. But even just with the monsters and everything, it's a lot. It can be a lot. They've been dealing with this for a long time. Yeah. You know, So he's trying to keep her innocence. I said all that thing he just to. Give him more credit. No, I think he really, he really is. He's trying to like, keep her innocent. I do. But this ain't the time. Right, because here's the thing, If she's telling you that her imaginary friend is telling her I'm trying to protect you because there are monsters in this town who want to take you, Mike, you are familiar with such monsters trying to take people that you know, so maybe and and I guess the other thing that bothers me about this is because Mike is generally a smart kid.

38:55 That whole group of kids is they're very smart. I mean, that's one of the ways that we met them. You know, they were all part of the science club. They are the geeks of the. School. Mike, you're involved in this. Your sister has been involved in this, your older sister. What makes you think that if Holly says, hey, this thing says monsters are coming out after me, I feel like he should have thought a little bit harder about that. And to get it's, it's kind of like going back to what Nancy said about them. Like we could have we could have worn mom and dad. Like I know that would have been a weird conversation to have with them, especially given Karen and Ted's kind of hands off. Yeah, I agree they would they would have paid any attention to them, but OK.

39:50 They they wouldn't have put. No. Holly, I think, I mean, she's a little kid, yes, but kids, they see a lot more than we give them credit for. And you can't tell me that Holly doesn't know that weird things have happened with her brother and his friends after all the stuff that they've witnessed, you know, So it's like. I I just feel like Mike probably should have taken his time a little. Bit ask some questions. This is almost like me and that Outlander and that doggone treasure box. Ask questions. One of the questions being well, who talking to you?

40:31 Is it a girl with red hair? Like who? Who is it like, 'cause you could, it could be, you know what I'm saying? It could be Max talking to her. You don't, you know, things are happening. Somebody's warning her about monsters. There's some monsters. So let me find out. Let me inquire. Who could this be? Yeah. However, it sounds like the girl had imaginary friend for a long time. So then you know. Well, no, it doesn't. Not that she's had one for a long time. I think what Ted was saying was she wouldn't be the first kid her age to have an imaginary. Right. And and then she probably had, you know, she did grow up overnight though, so she probably did have one a year ago. And it was Miss Sally.

41:14 No, it probably was Mr. Watson, because. I no, I'm just I'm joking as in another name because we no, no, no, we have a child who had just had AI forgot what the name was Mr. Watson. Lily. Lily was her imaginary friend, so I'm just saying. Has probably been planting that seed for a minute while he's. Well, before I'm saying before him, she did, because most kids do had imaginary friends, especially when you're the youngest and your siblings are just gone, always gone. You know what I'm saying? When he wasn't gone, when Mike wasn't gone, he was with his friends in the basement. And your older sister is a teenage girl. She's out and about. So you had to play with somebody. I'm just saying.

41:59 So, yeah, but I'm trying to give him. He was trying to make make sure that, you know, she kept her innocence. And you know, this is probably another another imaginary friend, so. But he should have told her the truth because when the truth came for her, let me tell you first and then first when first we're looking at Ted and, and, and why did why did her name just Karen? We're looking at Ted and Karen going through their issues, which they've never seemed like a close couple or even a compatible couple.

42:43 I mean, we kind of get that when she gets ready to go take off the go meet a teenage Billy for rendezvous. You kind of figure stuff ain't going right there. But she, you know, she pushed through whatever, whatever. But it's like now you've been quarantined in the town for 18 months. So literally you are stuck there with the other person. Not only that, now you have additional people living in your house because Joyce and her boys cannot go back to Lenore, California. So they're stuck there. I I'm guessing her house in Hawkins either got probably got sold, but also, why would I want to go back there when I know that that's a portal for the upside down? No, not going.

43:25 So you've got that stress and then you got your two older kids who are never home. You got the youngest kid who is now spacing off and talking to people in the streets that don't, you know, that don't exist. I was to the point where I was like, I don't even know why the parents are here because like, really, what do they contribute to the story aside from the fact that we can look at them and be like, oh, they're shitty parents, but but. They but. I don't. I wouldn't call them city. I would say they're typical.

44:07 Yeah, that's what I would say. I don't. I don't. They're not shitty because they like encouraged their kids, but they, they, they, they made their home inviting. Caring No I. Mean they're typical of the parents. Right the time, but I'm just saying and they made their house inviting that everyone will come over their house in the neighborhood and and. And that's all well and. Good. I'm just saying that is that is the, that's the parents. Over after incident of the federal government coming to look for your children when your children are gone and on the run for days on end like and, and you again going back to the whole thing with with dairy and just 80s parents in general because yes, we did have that you know we had a little bit more freedom with, you know, going outside or whatever, but a little.

45:12 Bit more. But I know, like when I was that age, here's my porch, there's the end of the street. That's as far as I could go. If my mother couldn't see me between Van and that end of the street, I was in trouble. Or if I was at somebody else's house, somebody had to call. But the, the, the amount I, I don't know. And it's also with everything that's going on, you've. Had right but but then they check in like I just had to check in. So you check in and they did check in. When?

45:52 Because she will say they said they would like every time someone comes to the house looking for them. She was like they said they went to the movies. You see what I'm saying? Even plenty of times they were saying they were at someone else's house when they were. Gone. Right. And that's what you did because it's like they couldn't call you no matter what. And if you said you. No, no, no. Because we had parents that would go to the house and be like, oh, are you here? They don't do that here. They don't do that at. Hawkins Well, I didn't have that a lot. I'm sorry, I did. When I was working, so if I said I was at the next door neighbor's house, but honestly, I was at the next door neighbor too. This goes back to like being in the 80s.

46:33 You grew up where Miami in the 80s, right? You were in Milledgeville. I was here in Atlanta. We had the missing and murdered children stuff going on up here. So maybe it was a little bit different, but I would go back into this because you got children who are being who are missing. You got children who are being murdered. You've got. But what children have been missing and murdered? It's only been one Barb. Barb, Chrissy. Well, I mean last year but Chrissy was because of the DND. You know what, we we going to get off this now, Eddie. 'S fault. That's what I'm saying. So they didn't think Eddie gone so they just assumed that all the the child murders are over, you see.

47:17 And when no child murders, it was 2 teenage girls, two teenage girls. This ain't dairy everyone that's rewind we had wrong show you. Forgot about. Who? Real disappeared. The black boy, they've been in the queue and then the the other boy that was working. With a lot of people are missing from the ground opening up, See, that's another thing. See, that's the same with Season 2 about the mall fire. There's a lot of people missing there, but they adults and children, they said they were in the fire at the mall. They know about the black boy. We also know about the board saying. Because we are, they said it was Eddie. So if I know that Eddie is gone, I am not looking for my kids especially.

48:02 I ain't looking for them because they can't go nowhere like we. Are trapped. I'm looking for them because the military is there. We know them, OK. But the military got them trapped because let's, let's talk about this. The military comes to your door and pick your kid up. I'm not letting my kid go on the bus and go to no What? They didn't have a choice. No, I don't give a we going to. They're going. To take those kids. Town let them take kids to mills. Why? Again, I don't think the parents had a choice. I don't think. They some of them didn't even know they left. They can't even say we're taking your child. Again and pay attention.

48:43 Some of them didn't pay attention. They didn't ask. Our whole point of this was that the parents don't be paying attention in Hawkins, no? They didn't ask because even even even Lucas paired a paying attention. First of all, Erica be gone for days. Did. You just glad she out the house though. You just glad she out the house. Just say you glad she got but. No, I was going to say, for the most part, they knew where Erica was. Erica was always with Tina up until. Right, recently because her but one time your child was locked in a Russian underground vault for 20. 4 hours, Tina's house. It was after she was at the house. She was at the house, OK, but we and Lucas was gone. OK I'm sorry.

49:40 Sorry, everybody. OK, so these parents, these parents did not watch that commercial. Where are your kids at 10:00 PM? Because they really. Don't know what their kids are. I will say this about Ted and Karen for for whatever faults they have as parents so that I feel like they have as parents when she hit the fan. They both stepped up. Yeah, they did. They definitely did. Because when when Holly goes, when she went to Karen, first of all, my whole thing was how the hell do y'all not hear all this racket and all this screaming and everything that's going on? Like it took it took the lights blinking for Ted to be like, what is going on?

50:20 You didn't hear the walls tearing and the furniture being thrown and your daughter screaming at the top of her lungs. Karen, I can kind of understand because she she's already kind of, you know, 2 sheets to the wind and she's listening to her Fernando and she's listening to her music so loud. So I can kind of sort of see. But Ted was outside. He had none of that, none of that noise interference. He should have been able to hear something, but it's OK. He saw the lights when it's went upstairs. Holly went to a mother was trying to tell him her mom was like it was just a nightmare was you have to feel the blood on her head in order to realize that your child is an active trauma.

51:09 She is like terrified. What? OK, whatever it takes. She got the memo. Now I was looking at this scene when the when the demo Gordon came into the bathroom and they were hiding in the tub. I was like do those large tubs come standard in homes back then and why don't we have them now? Because there is no way I could have fit in that tub with a child and been and been hidden good. There's no way I can't I can't even sit on my side in my in my regular tub. It's just no, but OK, we in there with the we in there with the Avon skin so soft baby bubble bath.

52:01 It worked, almost didn't, but Ted came in right at the right time. And I love the fact that when he sees Demi Gorgon, he doesn't do the whole what is this? He doesn't do the whole disbelief. He was like, I get back, like, hey, so Ted gained some respect for me probably for the first time in five seasons during the scene because he saw that thing. He didn't ask no questions. He didn't stand there dumb struck. He didn't stand in disbelief. He was like, what we're not going to do When the thing came after he hit it with his, OK, you know what, Ted? You got a little bit of my respect now. The way that he knocked them into the wall, I thought Ted was dead.

52:47 I'm very surprised that both he and Karen are still. I was too, because I was. I was like. No, don't kill Karen. But Karen went out like a boss though. Listen. She pulled a Molly Weasley and not my daughter you bitch cuz. Right. She took that wine bottle and she was stabbing that thing. I was like, OK, maybe they can actually get away. I don't know why I thought that. I should have known better, but she was giving it a, she was giving it a good shot. And I was like, OK, Ted and Karen have kind of, they've gained some respect in my eyes because they they really did try to save their daughter. They did now what? I can't even think of her name right now about warning her parents.

53:34 I don't know why I'm not bringing Nancy, so I think it would even matter if you warned your parents or not. You can warn them that something is coming, but nothing can compare can prepare you for that especially. If you haven't. Seen it right and even them talking about what you going to walk around with shotguns like Nancy? No, so literally her mom could had did the best that she could. That's better than some other parents could have. Or people. Because he's the. Even the military couldn't even make it no. So you preparing your mom wouldn't have changed anything. If he wanted to come after them, he was going to come after them. Yeah, I I think what would have happened if they had told the parents, like Ted and Karen might have been a little more strict.

54:31 They might have, but that might have extended to Mike and Nancy. And then Mike and Nancy wouldn't have been able to do what they do. Because let me tell you this whole thing that they have going with the crawl and the the precision, which with that, with which they have this plan down to AT and how everybody has their roles. And I was like, I'm impressed because again, I think this goes back again to the whole maturity thing with with the guys. It's like now that the whole town of Hawkins is affected, you don't have time for the Kitty shit anymore. You don't have time for the stupid little arguments.

55:11 Like you got the little fun stuff. Even though, yes, there, there's some tension with some of them, but it's not anything that is really detrimental to the group. The whole Dustin thing, yes, he's dealing with his grief, with his grief, but when they call him like, hey, we need you to do this, that and the other, he's prepared. He may not be quite as focused as we're used to seeing him, but he's prepared. He was prepared to be at the squawk that night. He just happened to go to the cemetery and he he basically walked into an ambush. But you know, that's what happens when you antagonize people, especially if they if they paying attention to you and they know your pattern, they know you going to go clean Eddie's grave up. So, you know, but aside from that, just the way that they all operate, the way that they're all like they're relying on each other.

56:07 They they're they're short, you know, they're shorthand when they speak to each other. The fact that Nancy is basically in charge of the whole stuff because Nancy was like OK the trucks are going to be here at such and such the which means I want hopper block like OK Nancy being in charge of everything which. You see, you see where Mike gets it from. Like Mike has that that same, he has that same ability, too, to take charge and and plan. He's a planner. He's a planner. Yeah. I mean, yeah, two years. Ago even with D&D, we we saw that, yeah. So he he's, he's good with strategy.

56:47 Yeah, he great. And then Nancy has that same thing. Yeah, yeah. Which which makes me, well, I don't, I won't even say makes me. Which shows us why Holly is kind of as level headed as she is, because even. Level headed weird. No, no, no. The reason why I'm saying that is because once she's in Mr. what's his house, what's taken her? They've had the conversation when she, you know, he gives her a specific instruction when he leaves the house, he says, don't go into the woods because a monster lives there. And she gets a note in the mailbox telling her, hey, I'm in trouble, I need you to come get me.

57:32 And the path that is taking her takes her straight to the woods. So what does she do? She sits there, she thinks about it. She analyzes the situation. She's already gone through Mr. What's his house? So she knows that he used to be a what is it a Boy Scout or a Cub Scout? She knows he has certain things here. And she literally starts playing. I was like, oh, that's definitely Nancy and Mike's sister. Because when she's in a situation now where she has to kind of calculate the danger, calculate what she's doing, she doesn't act like a little kid. She really is like, OK, well, I need to do this. I need to do this. I need to have this kind of clothing on. I need to carry this. Here's a weapon.

58:13 Like she really has that same mindset like her siblings does do. It's just so, you know, just so happens that she's not. So of course, if there's somebody who, you know, she sees who is projecting himself to be friendly, somebody who's going to help her. And again, she's seen what's going on with her brother and her sister. She may not fully comprehend it, but she knows what the shit goes on in Hawkins and that her siblings are a part of that. Right. You gave her a lot of credit. Yeah. So when that guy's like, OK, hey, there's monsters here, I'm going to come take care of you. And then when a monster actually comes and tries to get her, yeah, I would go with him too, because he's the one who's been saying all this time, I'm a protect you, I'm going to help you.

59:05 Right, that just goes along about how all these kids got kidnapped in the 80s. Yeah. And all you have to say is see your parents had to go to another place and they want you to feel safe. So I have you. And then they're going to come join us in a few days. Come with me. And unfortunately, that's what happened to a lot of kids back here. Right, I'm just saying that does and and I'm saying that is saying you giving her a lot of credit. She's to me, she's act like a kid, She's acting like kids. She was hesitant about going into the woods. She still didn't follow damn directions. Would you tell kids not getting the car with a stranger but they still didn't hurt a stranger because they say something like I know your parents.

59:51 But I mean. But it's starting to click once she actually has conversation with Max. Because that you know is true. Yeah. You know what happened to Max, so it's kind of odd that she is in the same place as you. And I'm so glad to see Max because I was like OK y'all I understand Max is in a coma but I need Sadie sync on my screen so I'm glad we got her back finally. She looks mature and beautiful. She does, but she also looks stressed. She like I'm tired of being in this man's mind, right She's. Tired of being tired? Yes. Listen and the things. She's saying.

1:00:35 What? What did she say? That the only choices she had was one option, one option, one was to kill herself, I'm sorry, and allow herself. And two was escape or three was accept. Yeah. Then that say it and then it said that you see some things and then you do actually see that Lucas is still coming to your bedside playing running up that hill. He should be really tired of that song by that time. But however, however, I'm trying to save her life. But that's and that she can feel his hand and everything. That was so sad.

1:01:21 And the fact that she almost, she was almost almost there there for the damn cassette tape. Don't y'all have CDs at this point? It's not right? Then. Then no, no, not. Yet. Shut the head like it twice like 2 so you just pop it in. He need to have one of those Maxell 90 minute cassettes and just just just put the song on a loop. I mean, I know you look, it's the 80s. I know he could sit right there on the on the cassette tape, he can sit there with his hand on the record button for when it plays on the radio just like we used to do and just do that.

1:02:03 But but again, Lucas is not aware of what's going on with Max's mind. So he doesn't know. He's just like, OK, I'm just going to play the song and play the song. Hopefully it'll it'll draw her back. But but all I have to say is from seeing that you must know when you get out of it. And you come out this coma, you gonna have to marry the man. Well, damn, you gonna have to. He he literally probably is the only one besides your Mama coming to visit. And if she don't? And talk to and read books too.

1:02:43 And sing songs too. And if she don't make it, I feel bad for his wife, his future wife, his. She ain't never going to measure. Up No. No, but you know this man been at your bedside. Every day, every day. And I'm sure the other, I'm sure the others go to visit her too, just like we saw. No, we saw Will visiting her and to talk, talk about their plan, about what they're going to try to do. You know, he's trying to, they're still trying to keep her in the loop, you know, even though they don't know if she can hear, they don't know if she's aware of what's going on. But, you know, it's nice to see them be like, OK, you know what? She is still part of the group.

1:03:30 Even if she can't participate, even if she can't hear, at least she'll, you know, at some point, maybe she'll know that she's still part of us. I was going to say something really horrible. I was like one person who's not visiting her but whatever will visit because he just tell all his secrets to and talk to and no one talks back. So he expressed his emotions. Mike has no time. But that's me and Mike, you know, I just don't get. No will. OK, that was. It I had to get that one here. He ain't going to visit her, OK? Will. I don't think Will is going to let. And 11 can't get into the hospital so. Well, yeah, that she.

1:04:16 Cannot, but I bet she still tries to like search for stuff once in a while and see if. I don't know 'cause she seems very singularly focused right now. He is, but I think she still tries, you know, after that Eggo waffle in Miami Vice reruns that she may settle down and try. I don't know 'cause she trying to go on these crawls with Hopper. Right. And be her time. He is not. You see, she's another one stuck too, because he he's he has valid points of why. Like we're going to need you when we actually find him, not when we looking.

1:04:57 Because at this point you come in while we looking, we have someone, the military is looking for you. But if but when it's time, you need to be ready. Just be ready when it's time. And if they capture her? You don't even. Because the military, they got a base in the upside down now. Right. Which is amazing to me. Which is amazing to me. And why I'm not surprised, I wouldn't be surprised in in this universe if they don't have bases all over the place because this obviously this is not something that they're new to doing. This seems like something that they've already done before, the way they have with the burn and the portal. And how do they have the base set up? It's almost like this is not the first time they've done this. I I agree.

1:05:49 I think the thing that kind of surprises me is because even the world, OK, up until the the the last episode, we didn't know where Vetna was, you know, and, and the fact that I guess it was just that you don't know for sure that Vetna is dead. So he could be anywhere still in the Upside down. Not only that, the Demi Gorgons could be in the upside down and you guys aren't exactly being quiet about the fact that you're there. You know, they actually have a monster. I don't think it was a Demi Gorgon, but they have some kind of monster in their lab that they're using to do whatever they're they're testing and all this other stuff and. I don't think they know the existence of vector. They don't.

1:06:43 They don't. I don't think they had they, they don't know. No, they don't. Who would they know that from? They keep thinking, which they always thinking it's 1111 is doing this. Yeah, they think 11 it created this and 11 is doing these things. Remember, they don't know nothing about him. And so the last season. And so when and so when they were like, when they were like, oh, they have something there in the base, I was like, it's it's not Victor because he can be doing all this other stuff. It had to be something else or someone else. And you know what? I so I. Because the person who knows it is dead, yes.

1:07:26 And that that I think that's the thing. I wasn't thinking about the fact that because I was like, why wouldn't they know? But I don't know. Also, I kind of feel like, I don't know, there's something about Doctor Ki feel like she knows more than she's letting on. She think he does, but she. Doesn't know about Victor. And see, this is what I was saying on we talked about the friends on the panel. Same thing on on the ABC 11. Right. So we this is the same thing or she's like 11 or not 11. We really don't know, but we need 11. Well, we were talking about with the panel about Doctor Papa, Doctor Brenner, about him working with someone else.

1:08:11 So we do know that that that happens because we know that the play for Shadow is Canon. So this has occurred before. So I'm feeling like she's from that section when it first started happening because she you'll be that age. However they are used, they know a part about the Upside Down, but they don't know about VEGNA. Only Doctor Brennan knows about VEGNA because he kept that to himself. He just knew about. It you. See what I'm saying? Because that was in his lab, not when they were together. And he was also kind of responsible. For that whole thing. So yeah, yeah. OK, you know, yeah.

1:08:52 And I think the thing that I was maybe misremembering, not the fact that they have, that they knew Vecna's existence. I'm still thinking about Elevens, just kind of her how she was so sure it was Vecna that they had because because of the weapon that they created that basically kind of like her kryptonite. She was thinking, she was like, it has to be Vecna. It has to be Vecna. And I don't know where in the process where I was watching it and I was like, I don't think it's Vecna. And then I really started thinking about Cali because I think the actress who plays Cali, she came to the premiere.

1:09:37 Yep, she was at the premiere and I was like, they should be like, oh, definitely. I said they're going to bring her back in some capacity for the final season. I didn't think it was going to be the way that they did this, how they have her captured and they're using her powers, you know, to disable Elle. But I'm like, now I want to know, how did you guys even get to her? Like she was doing such a good job of hiding herself. So it's kind of like. Remember she had, she's like, yeah, she has her limits, though. But do you? But do you think because sometimes people will have the illusion that they are OK? So they may have known where she was and then just tracking her at some points. But for her, but for hers and then for her, she's thinking, I I've got away with this.

1:10:30 But when they need you, they need you, and they know when to grab you. I would I would think it probably was when she and Elle met back up. Right. And then also eat. And also they, they could have been studying and watching from afar and seeing what she's doing. They don't care what happens locally. Yeah, I don't care if you steal from a pawn shop. Well, this is we got bigger fish to fry here. So they could have been watching her and what she could do, what she can't do to see how to create things to, you know what I'm saying? So where? They thought they could use her against L. They might to find out something. Or or whatever they about to do 'cause it. It's just it baffles me why everything is her fault but I'm OK Who Callie's fault, no L's fault.

1:11:19 Well, it kind of. Well, it's not really. It isn't. It let, let, let. Let's start from the beginning. It could be she is not her fault. No. What? What did she do? She didn't do nothing. She didn't do nothing. The Upside Down was already there. Everything that she did, she. Opened the gate because. She didn't. She pushed. She pushed Henry into the gate. But who fault was that? Phil Henry. 'S fault was Henry being that way. That oh, that's Brenner. Absolutely. Brenner. OK. The one that started out of this, Yeah. Right. Yeah, because. That. You're gonna go already at the power.

1:12:00 So he took advantage of a kid slash teenager. I'm trying to close the pothole there, teenager, kid slash teenager. He took advantage of him and then use him to do what? To make all these other kids and adults. Yeah, yeah. So. This is not our fault. She was a weapon that was used. For those listening who didn't watch the play, yeah, Brenner actually found Brennan, found Henry and used Henry's blood and put in pregnant women, which is where it created that whole generation I'll generation. That's the thing, I don't know anything about the play except for the fact that is Henry's kind of like his back story and I know that they're going to be using some of that in this season. But I and they said that it was and then they said it was Canon. So all of that was Canon.

1:12:55 Yeah. Even if some about about the the parents. Being the school. Together. Yeah. Nance, not Nancy Joyce. Yeah. Yeah. Which they have hinted at in this first volume. So I'm I'm sure we'll see more of that. And probably in volume to because there's there's like this, I guess a play going on. And you see in in Henry's memories, Max and and Holly are in his memories and you kind of see this. And I was like, yeah, this is probably going to explain how all of them are connected because you see Joyce, you see Hopper's name there, and I think there were a couple of other.

1:13:39 Names Bob. Newbie. Yep. Oh, so I wonder. I thought it was Sister's name on there. What's his name? See his name was on there I. Thought it was her name. I thought she was in the play. Cool, I don't do freeze frames so OK she was in the play too but it seems opposite too. OK, OK. And then so not to give that away so y'all can figure out. And then and also the reason dealing with The Cave why he can't go in The Cave is in the play. OK. And I'm leaving that there, but that is the reason. I was kind of curious about that because. And they just Duff Brothers did say the because this cannon that is the reason why he won't go into the caves. OK, OK.

1:14:22 Because I was wondering about that because Max was like, this is the only safe place I have because he was scared to come in here. Yeah. It's like when you look at it from Max's point of view, it's just open country, very beautiful, very peaceful, very serene. So it's kind of like what's in there that scares him. Which again, I guess we'll we'll find out of volume. 2. But yeah, all of that was very interesting about him because because when you when we watched Season 4 and Nancy and Robin went to go talk to Victor Krill, Victor made it seem like all of this stuff happened when Henry was a child, which, OK, if it happened when he was a child, but he still, you know, maybe under Doctor Brenner's guardianship or whatever, he still ends up going to high school. He still ends up doing some of the normal stuff. It was like, OK, but it's just kind of interesting that I, I don't know.

1:15:30 And I guess I'll I'll have to wait until we see those just kind of that that background of his field in. I mean then this is not no spoiler. Even though he talked, it did happen when he was a kid and it was before the doctor and then the doctor came to him. See, in my mind, not to say you know what Henry is a sorry, Victor is an unreliable narrator. So in his mind, Henry is a little kid, but in reality he was probably much older. A little older. Yeah, because that's what people are trying to reconcile. They're trying to reconcile Season 4, how he looked younger, however, he was in high school. So but also it's how we present ourselves when we tell a story. Yeah, that's you see what I'm saying? I I think Victor was Victor is not a reliable narrator because he's still looking at him as his child. Right.

1:16:23 Because those flashbacks were from his perspective. Yeah, I didn't think about that. And that's when you do, because sometimes when you think of your key, you sometimes don't picture what's right in front of you. You picture like a good average age. And that's. 00 And then also he's not aware that that Henry was the one that was doing all of that. We find that out when Henry is talking to Elle, right? Yeah. OK, Right. Yeah, that's correct. But just how everyone had an issue with the age. Yeah. But I like what Anthony said. Like that's how his dad still sees his family. Yeah. Yeah.

1:17:05 You know, just him a little younger, probably the age where everything was simple and innocent before it became crazy. But yeah. Before it came, it was, yeah, OK. I was gonna say another bad joke. Like, you know, Erica's parents probably think of her when she was little. But it was cute. You know what now? She's a teenager and it ain't funny. So since you bring her up, we need to talk about Miss Erica Sinclair. Because babe. Yeah, so I love Erica, but we need to seek some counseling because she is so willing to poison a family.

1:17:48 It wasn't poison. First of all. You drug to family now you drug that's still you don't drug nobody I. Want to say this one thing? I just want to say this one thing. She was she. She was so into it that she brought the syringe as a backup plan because she knew that girl was not going to eat her her pie. Because she knew Tina. Because she knew Tina and she was prepared for that outcome. OK, right, it was ready, but she that's the problem and she did seem upset about I'm just saying and I'm OK with it. I'm OK with it. I'm just saying I wouldn't be a husband and make her mad.

1:18:29 I'm just saying no, definitely not, but it's or she had kids. Don't mess with her kids, you. Can't. Given the situation and what they were dealing with, you can't be mad at her for being prepared. No, I don't know, I'm mad. It's just the, the, the slight enjoyment, OK, but and then the thing. OK, so everyone come on now. I need y'all to understand 'cause I see a lot of complaints about her friend Tina that Tina was white. It's OK that Tina was white and the Republican. They are from her Hawkins. Indiana in the 80s. Andy, thank you.

1:19:11 It wasn't that many Democrats in the area, and it wasn't that many blacks. Yes, she had a few black friends at the mall. I don't know what happened to them. OK. They probably died in the mall fire like half the town did. They probably were. On summer vacation when Hawkins split open, and they're probably not in the time that's. True or no, they felt. But even growing past before that happened, her friend has been Tina. Tina has been talked about since season 2. Yeah, because it was probably one of those things like like with Lucas and Will, Lucas and will have actually. Right, that's what I'm saying. So. On Now and Then Tina and you see Tina.

1:19:55 Tina got the back and forth too. Like like Lucas said, Tina is a villain. That's Erica's type right there. Would not mess with those two. I would not mess with those two you. Say, is Tina evil? No. She's a villain. Wow. Which, again, is why Erica went there prepared. And she knew she's like, I know she's not going to eat this pie. I know she's not. Think about, think about the scope of what they were about to do. They're about to use this family to try to trap the Demogorgon because they knew it was coming after Derry. Yeah, they have to go through some extreme masks because again, it's kind of like the whole thing when Nancy, oh, we could have warned our parents.

1:20:42 How are you going to walk up to this boy's parents and be like, hey, so there's some monsters associated with this whole split in the town and he's going to come after your dipshit of a son and we want to actually help you guys so that that doesn't happen. Do you know how fast they're going to call Hawkins police? Like, come get these crazy kids? And if you got the same two people who are leading Hawkins police, because obviously nobody knows Hopper is back right now. Hopper is still living in the living in the. World now who paying the mortgage and taxes on that it's paying. For. It's paying for taxes. Taxes. You still pay taxes, but OK, it's neither here nor there.

1:21:24 I'm sorry. Yeah, but they, yeah, there really wasn't anything else for her to do. She's like, OK, this is the plan, this is what we have to do. So we're going to have to knock them out. And we got to make sure that this happens because I mean, the stuff that they did to these folks, how if I was Tina's parents when I came back to my house? And that. Wine, a hole in the floor, and all of my wine. That we have collected all of the wine. I will have a problem. Yeah, yeah.

1:22:06 Hey, I will not accept any more Derek slander on this podcast because Derek is not I didn't an asshole he was. No, Derek is just misunderstood. No, Derek, it was a bully. He's highly. Intelligent. He is and he he was a bully. And I think he was just bored. But he didn't have to bully he I don't. Think he was bullying? Anybody you stop, he wasn't that playground. He was, he was. Well, he then he was being in that playground and she told him to stop and the kid said he. Was a bullet. He got scared straight when he saw the demagogue Grant, and he was like, oh shit, this shit is real, right?

1:22:52 Oh that, that was one of the great lines when he was talking to the military people and he was like, I seen the thing and y'all are not prepared. Y'all can't do shit. But you know who else he's scared of? He was scared of Erica. Erica was like, come on, come on. He's like, oh, forget that. I go. I just climb up. I'm good, 'cause you knocked out a woman. You a man Wheel. You had wheel rolling on the ground with you. But then you saw Erica. You took off running. Yeah, but no, I fell in love with Derek. But let's be honest. Derek was a mean kid. He was. But I understand what you're saying. No one played with him. So he just took it out and and you see how his sister is. So that's just how he knows how to interact with people. There's a difference between being a bully because he don't seem like the kid.

1:23:47 That would be like give me your lunch money. That is not the only type of bully. When your sister says mom and dad says come to dinner and his response is they can bite me. That's not being a bully, that's just. But no, we're not. We're not talk about, but that's what we're saying. Their interactions. Look at his sister. So they do that at they house. You know what I'm saying? So he doesn't know how to interact with people. That's what I'm saying. Other kids. So he wants to play with you, He doesn't know how to, so he just spins the miracle round faster. You know, thinking that's fun. Thinking that's funny? That's not funny, but. It's not. Funny because he was alone in the classroom. Nobody want to deal with him.

1:24:30 No one want to deal with Derry. He got that smart ass mouth. If I'm just walking, I. Agree but I'm just saying I I agree but I see where he he's getting it from. He got a billing sister. His parents is drinking a butt load of wine, so I don't think they even realize they got two kids in the house. And I say that because they got a gorgeous wine collection. Karen would like to be invited over, but yeah, but, but look at how the kids responded to him when he had to get the group together. It was quite interesting that they were listening to him.

1:25:10 He was doing the meditation and then hitting the mess out of their head to get their attention. But they but he, he was, he led them like he he had a purpose. That's all. He needed, he did. I do I, I'm. I feel so bad for Derek. I like Derek now. Oh, I, I love him now. Like once he saw the light, I was like, OK, I, I can get down with you, but I, you know, I. I think he was always like that. He was building a molecule in the class. He's very. Smart, yeah, but Holly did say to Henry now he mean. He I didn't say he wasn't mean.

1:25:52 I don't think he was a bully. Will agree to disagree on that. He may like Holly, so he just didn't know how. No, we're not going. No, we're not going. We're not going to start that that that discourse that so I'm I'm AII like her, so I'm going to hit no, we we. But honestly, though, looking at how his sister is and how she responds to things, clearly that's how that that dancer they got in their house though, and I know, and that's that's the way because that must be acceptable when he he can just hand it back. I was best and in. The ages and anyway, you know. Right, because even Erica got a flipped mouth. Yeah, let let's be honest.

1:26:35 If Derek is a bully, Eric is a bully. Oh now we, we, I mean what is the running joke right now? Send Erica to Derry Mane and she will have Pennywise out of that town in 5 minutes you guys. Don't mess with she don't have to be a bully, they just don't mess with her. Nobody messing with her. Yeah, there's a reason. Yeah, nobody messing with her be. Bullied. No, no, she doesn't have to be a bullet. She don't have to. They literally just not going to mess with her here. It is. She don't take no shit. So if you and she tells the truth so you just like you just back away not for herself beep beep. Nah, she ain't standing up for herself. I think she just tell people how it is and you just be like you going to get your feelings hurt so just back away.

1:27:18 Beep, beep, beep. With that too, but she stand up for herself. Think about think about how she was with your head. Bastard. Yes, exactly. A grown adult. That OK? Yeah. What did she say when they were trying to tell her? We knew she was like y'all got one minute 55 seconds and. She was so excited about the wormhole, which must be very important for us. I mean, she just likes being smart. She was like, it's my favorite class. And then when they were like, Oh well how how Holly's been kidnapped by the Dement Gorgon and, and Vagner blah blah blah blah blah.

1:27:58 She was like, y'all should have lived with that. I was like, yeah, why didn't y'all, y'all know Erica don't deal with this no nonsense mess. No, but seriously, the wormhole is important because they always bring a lovely science teacher to explain something. So now I'm like what? OK. So I want to move on now to some of the other characters that we haven't talked about yet. I was not expecting the friendship with Robin and Will, but I am here for it. Yeah, I was going to bring that up. I love that partner. I I love every year that they do partner people up with in different situations. So I really enjoyed the Robin and Will. Yeah, and I like Robin's dynamic anyway, because she, she's the person who like she has smarts about her. But you, that's not immediately what you noticed about her. You just noticed that she's kind of, you know, she's very talkative and she's very nervous and she's very, you know, she gets flustered very easily.

1:29:08 But you also noticed that she is very loyal to her friends, that she has a big heart. And yeah, her, her conversations with Will in these first 4 episodes, just basically once Will accidentally discovers that she's gay and the way that she pays attention to him and she was like, oh, OK. Like she notices it about him without it being said aloud. And the fact that she kind of gives him his her, her little pep talk and just kind of helps him to accept things about himself and also just to kind of look at things in a different way. I was like, this was not the, this was not the friendship I was expecting, but I love it.

1:30:02 I love that he actually now has someone that he can talk to that's not within that immediate circle. So he may feel more comfortable, you know, talking about his feelings or or opening up to her about things that he wouldn't necessarily with the rest of the group. And I think that's that's very important for him, especially in this first part with what happens in in the last episode. It's kind of like, I don't know, like him breathing, him being able to finally accept who he is fully, you know, without any worries, without worrying about what other people are going to think about him, without worrying about the whole thing with Mike, you know, because, OK, yes, obviously we all know he's in love with Mike. But also I kind of wonder if that's really the case with him. And I think Robin kind of touched up on that. She's like, yeah, you know, the first, the first crushes that we have, the people that we attach ourselves to. You know, you kind of I think that even with regular relationships that that's going to be kind of like the end all, be all, like, oh, this is the person I'm going to love forever.

1:31:11 And that might not necessarily be true. That might just be the person who is there for you to awaken those feelings or for you to realize, oh, this is what I'm feeling. You know, because I've seen a lot of people who speculate that Will and Mike are going to end up together at the end of the season. And I just don't think that's going to happen. I don't think one, I don't think I would want that 2. It just doesn't feel right. It doesn't because it because honestly, Mike really loves 11:00 and 11:00 loves Mike.

1:31:54 Yeah. He does love Will, but as his friend, Yeah, it works out better that Mike is Will's first crush, something that he had to overcome to then find the love of his life. Not Mike. Yeah, I know 'cause I don't care for my, I mean, I'm fine with Mike, but not because it's Mike. I'm just saying don't throw. Don't make a relationship that don't need to be made into one. Yeah, yeah, that's his best friend. But like I said it, he has a crush on currently at this time because that's that. But I mean, a lot of people do that. They their crushes are their first best friend, especially a best friend of the opposite sex for the most part. But sometimes it can be for the same sex. And it could just be, it could be that you're gay, or it could just be that you're a kid and you're confused and you don't know.

1:32:50 But most of us don't end up happily ever after with our first crushes. That would be almost impossible, you know what I'm saying? Like who? Who ends up with the person they were crushing on at 5? No, nobody does that. Nobody does that. So but I like the fact that Mike is like the person that he feels that way towards because it's a person he's comfortable with for the most part. And I feel like once Mike finds out about Will, even if he finds out that Will is in love with him, I don't think that he is the type of person who would shun Will or who would make him feel bad about it or make him feel awkward about it. Especially after the conversation they had where, you know, Will was talking about how, you know, basically they're talking about Wills possibility of having his powers. And Will is like, oh, so you're saying I'm like Beckman? He was like, yeah, but there's nothing wrong with that because you're the, you're the good part. You're the, you're the sorcerer like that. That's who you've always been for us. You know, I just feel like once that comes out in the open and everybody is cool with it, I think at that point we'll realize, oh, OK, you know what?

1:34:20 That was just my awakening. This is not what I need to do. Cuz I think part of him does kind of feel bad about that because 11 is like a sister to him. And you basically are crushing on your, your sister's, you know, boyfriend. But I, I don't want him and might to, to end up together. That would just seem very weird to me. But I do hope that he is able to kind of be completely himself in front of his friends and that be OK with them. I mean, we know it's OK with Jonathan. We know Steve would have no no problems with it. Because I mean, when Steve found out about Robin, he was just like, oh, and she was like, Steve say something because she's thinking he's going to be upset. And Steve was like, but Tammy Thompson like really, you know, so hopefully he hopefully will has that same experience. But again, Robin, big part of that big part of him kind of accepting who he is and the result of that that we get at the end of episode 4.

1:35:31 When I say I was I I really think I need to start taping my reactions because I flipped out. I flipped out just seeing will be be able to kind of tap into his and I don't know if we want to call it his power. Yeah, yeah, we know he didn't have it going into the side down, but clearly the force diet that you had to be on for a couple of days, right, This is what you have. So yes, I was like definitely cheering. I've watched that scene about several. Times.

1:36:15 Yeah, Like way too many times. Yeah, I, I just, I just felt so I just felt fondly for him. And I know even in real life he was like, oh, yes, finally for my character too. Because, you know, again, he's off to the side. He doesn't connect with everyone, especially after being, you know, taken and then not just taking the first time in the second season 2 being evaded like that was a full on body assault, You know, of his whole body and brain, like just always being the target and the victim and being off to the side and finally having finding your power.

1:37:02 And I absolutely like, absolutely love it. Yeah, because I I would say I was worried when they showed us, when they showed him looking through the Demogorgon's eyes, I was worried. I was like, are y'all going to tell us that Will is evil? Like, are y'all going to tell us that he is a part of this? I was like, I don't want that to be. But the way that they're doing it with him being able to, I guess Siphon is the best way to say it. Like he can siphon Beckner's towers. I guess that's part of the way. What? What is he doing 'cause he's. He he has them. He's plugging into the the hive mind. But he well.

1:37:48 This and and he's using the same powers. But see, that's what I'm saying. Is he like siphoning them? Because if he. No, he's not. He's not siphoning them because if he's. Not plugged in. He doesn't have the abilities. Right. But he's not siphoning him. He's not taking power away from him. He's he's using the power. Once he's plugged in he can use it, but he's not siphoning anything from victim. OK, OK. But it was fantastic. It was because the Demogorgans don't. They don't have, they don't, they don't think, they're not human, they don't have human brains. So when he's played in, he actually can think and use his mind, so he's able to use the power too.

1:38:38 So he's just plugged into the same socket. They're plugged into the same power strip. OK. Yeah, yeah, Either way it goes, it was cool because all of them are getting attacked or about to get attacked. And you just see them kind of freak the Demogorgans freeze in the air like they can't move, like something is holding them back. And then when you see this will cause automatically you you think it's 11, like you think 11 has come to the rescue, right. Everybody else, the military is dying. All the kids are being snatched up. Whatever. You really think that, oh, when this happens, this is 11 has come out from the upside down.

1:39:18 She's whatever when they showed Will and he's already holding back the one that's trying to get it, Mike. And then you have the other one in a totally different location trying to go for Lucas. He does the hand that one. Then you have another one in a totally different location going after Robin and he puts his when he put his head up and that demo, gorgeous. I was like, you know what? This is about to be some good good. Yeah. Cuz finally, like you said, finally Will has. And I, I think even he was getting, I don't know if I want to say tired, but he was just kind of like, oh, you know, I think he was on Jimmy Fallon's show and he was talking about when they got the script for the table. And he was saying how he hadn't read it yet and people were like, have you read it yet?

1:40:14 He was like, no, it's just going to be a bit more of a, you know, that kind of thing. And then when they got to the table read, I don't know if you've actually seen the video of them at the table read when they're reading that particular scene like. Yeah, when he what he knew before then when he said he when he first read it, he was at home and with his roommate and he shared it with her. But like, literally he was like about naked, just jumping in the shower, Right. So that's why I was saying when I said it earlier about even in real life, he was like, OK, we're going to have the same thing, me being a victim again, you know, but now him finding power and being the one to honestly can save them. Yeah.

1:41:02 Who have saved them? Because he just saved them. It doesn't all fall on I'll. Right. And it's not all about everyone trying to save Will. Yeah, that too. That too SO. Because you got to, you got to wonder. Elle has been doing this for, for by herself for so long. What kind of toll is that taking on her body? We already see, even with Will, when he uses his abilities to kill the Demogorgons, he has the Nosebleed. You know, we see Elle, she gets that every time she uses her power. What is that doing to her physically? Because I'll be honest, Elle is one that I am worried is not going to make it through the season. You know, especially she and Mike are sitting up on the roof and they're talking about what would happen once all of this is open.

1:41:52 They're talking about the future. And Mike is like, yeah, you know, usually in the stories, the people leave town because too much has happened. She was like, do you think that can happen for us? And he was like, yeah, I was like, no, I. No. And then? I don't think she's going to make it through the season. And then I'm trying to use that logical, OK, so if she dies, that's Hopper. He loses another kid. Would they really do that to him? Damn, he may be dead too. So. Because because I, I'll be honest. When when when he showed that bomb when when 11 found mom and he was like, yeah, if if this dude is in here, I'm going to go take care of him because I don't want anything to happen to you.

1:42:33 I'm I can't risk losing you when you going to be gone. So what does it matter what? Let. Let me tell you, I was sitting there like, if they kill Hopper in this first volume, I will be so mad. Thankfully that didn't happen, but I was just like, I'm not ready to lose anybody yet. Now I have a feeling this, this second volume coming up, I have a feeling we're going to lose somebody. I just, I think if it's going to be L, it's going to be in the last episode. It's going to be. Oh, yeah. But I have a feeling we are going to lose someone big in the next episode. I mean, in the next volume.

1:43:19 I don't know if that's Hopper. I don't know if that's Joyce, because I kind of feel like Joyce is on the chopping block as well. I don't know. She had a she had a Wagner threw her and he threw her so nice he she landed. Gently I. Mean he, he destroyed. He destroyed. I mean, Wagner knows, that's what. The army but but but her he just. Well. Blew. Her over, I kind of know why he probably didn't kill her. If they use that, if they use them knowing each other in the past, could be, I don't know, but she, you know, he wasn't really trying to hurt her. So she landed so soft.

1:44:04 She. Might have been one of the only people who was nice to him. Probably so. So yeah, we will see. I'm just happy that once we come out on Thursday, Christmas Day, we don't have much more time for only one episode, right? Right. I think all the kids are safe. I think the young adults are not safe. Nancy, Jonathan and Steve. And Robin. And Robin, I don't think they're safe, but I think all the kids. Are I don't even think Nancy will ever die. I don't think Nancy will die. Because even Nancy in in Nightmare on Elm Street dies so.

1:44:47 She does and that's what she's tailored out the but I don't think Nancy, I don't think Nancy. And then it's not Jonathan because they're going to put Nancy and Jonathan really, really when she's supposed to choose her own person, but she's going to choose Jonathan. And then, you know, it's, it's really true, you know, Steve is. Going to save everyone. I don't think Nancy is going to choose either one of them. Oh no, she but like even in this seat volume, Steve ain't saying he in in the running. He was like it's y'all too, y'all need to get it together. But I don't think she's so. He's not even trying to be chosen, but he's still going to die because he's going to protect them all. Well.

1:45:27 OK, so I'm preparing myself for my Christmas nightmare, OK? And I mean, Steve says that he, you know, he tells Jonathan, you know, she's my friend. And he emphasized friend. But then later on, when they're in the world, this was last season, I think it was when he told her, you know, when I think about, you know, a missus Harrington and all the kids, I still think of you. I don't think he's out of the running or I don't think he thinks of himself out of the running because I mean the idiotic stuff that they pulled in the first episode. I was like y'all are so childish, Like I would be glad he is but either one of y'all. Yeah, but he's still, he's being very respectful of their relationship. He is, but he really is.

1:46:14 I don't, I don't think Steve, Steve is is trying to hook up with the next. Girl, that's so competitive. But that's true too. I don't even sometimes think he's nasty. I think he's just competitive here and he got to prove himself because Jonathan took his girl. Well, I mean, honestly, Jonathan took his girl. Really did. Mr. Steve, your. Girl, yeah, he did so. Yeah, but I don't think Nancy's going to end up with either one of them in real. I hope she goes off and has a beautiful future, yeah. But I think she's a little too independent now at this point. And she's also she's way more mature than those two guys.

1:46:56 Because even if Steve is like, I'm not in the running, that's on y'all. Jonathan is 1/2 insecure 2. Jonathan is not honest with her. Like before, before all this stuff happened with Hawkins, he didn't even tell her that he didn't apply to the school that they were supposed to go to. Because, you know, he, he felt like he needed to take care of his mom and his brother. Which I think if he had told her that, she would have understood. She probably would have tried to talk him out of it, but I think she would have understood. And but and the fact that he felt like he couldn't talk to her about that. And then all of this stuff that they're going through now just. Yeah, I I'm kind of like, I need Nancy to go off on her own and like, you still be friends with both of the guys, but I just think Nah.

1:47:49 But of course, if one of them dies, it's not going to matter, so. Yeah. But ma'am, weren't you supposed to do like some bingo cards for us for Stranger Things? I wrote down my my thoughts and opinions. I did a check check off. Yeah, but they were looking for the from the panel was looking for you to have a bingo card. No, I wasn't going to make the bingo card. That's what that's. What you're saying that's what. You're saying y'all got to get your own bingo card and filled it in? That ain't. What? You're saying that meant that you get you a bingo? Card not what you said, that's what. What you think is going to happen? And she said she was going to do it.

1:48:30 And you, yes, she did. So I made my own. And then y'all, everybody bring that card and see what you put everybody. In that room thought you was going to post a bingo card. Oh no, I'm so sorry, you know, but I needed y'all to write down on your own bingo card, which I thought was going to happen. We don't see what really happened. So, so before it happened because I'm a cheat, Well, you can't do it now because no one has. Died yet? No one has died yet. So you could came close, but yeah, but you could really put because we're in the final countdown now. So this was just a let's tell you where everything is. Well, let's stand it up. Well, I had that Max was still alive, running around in victim's head. I said Max will be important, yeah. Yeah, I had that and she was around his head. How was she important?

1:49:26 I think she's more important in helping Holly. Who's really important? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. What I did not have was Ted attacking the Demi Gordon with the Golf Club. I don't think anybody. Anybody had that on their Big O? Card nobody, but I will say this too and. Karen with a broken bottle of wine. Right. I don't think Ted's going to make it though just because he and Karen both got attacked. But notice the kids. Their focus is all on mom. So either Taylor's going to die or he. Don't know nothing about Holly and Hook. Imaginary friend, Yes. He does. Though he don't. I mean only as far as.

1:50:06 Only as far as. She has one right, but who knows the details of this man Mom does. Yeah. Because she they know that they talked to Mom, they ain't talking to Dad. He knows nothing. Yeah, 'cause you don't really see them have any kind of conversation, especially a deep conversation with Ted. But we have seen it with at at least Karen and Nancy, you know. But yeah, I so I think, I think Ted. Is yeah, and that's the and then why they running around, you know, she been with her baby most that's her baby. So she know what's happening to her baby. Things that I did not couldn't fit Phantom that how would they fix the earth opening up?

1:50:56 I couldn't figure out how they will fix that. I don't know 'cause that metal Band-Aid ain't it. I was. Gonna say it ain't really fix it. But like, how would we move on in this story? Like I didn't know how would the town look would it just have this big old opening like how what would happen? I like what they did with the metal Band-Aid now them making everyone stay in town because I was wondering why people didn't leave because you can't now. This should be called kidnapping, however. They've been quarantined. OK. That's what we want to call it. That's what they're calling it.

1:51:36 I mean, some people made it out of town before they quarantined and some people are coming back because, I mean, Murray is coming in as like delivery because you still got to let people in. You got to get food, you got to get supplies. You can't just. Quarantine a town off and then just. Yeah, but only the suppliers are coming in You. It's not like your parents coming to visit you. Yeah, that's true. If they live in another in another state, you out of luck. Yeah, they are not letting anybody leave. That's why it's OK for them to pull up in your driveway with the school bus and collect your child. Something's not right. You didn't sign off for this. But if they men with guns, you do what they say. But.

1:52:17 I'm trying to tell you they didn't ask, they told you. Give me your child. But you know. And you're already quarantined. What? What are you going to do? Who you going to complain to? Nobody's. Listening, it's like think about, think. About all the concessions they've already had to make. It's been 18 months. Right. So. And, you know, like Holly going to a strange man's house and staying, well, I mean, they don't know that that's what's happening. They think she's been kidnapped by No, I'm talking about Holly. We are talking about. Holly. No, I'm talking about Holly herself. You were a strange man warned.

1:53:01 Her about the monster coming in the monster action show up. I understand, but it's still it's still it's still creepy. OK, It is in the street, nothing. And he has all your favorite things. I know we talked about that, but I'm just saying these are some things I just couldn't possibly. Yeah, it is creepy, but again, this is the only person she can trust right now because even your brother told you monsters don't exist. Right. So yeah, so I. But at least when she's shown the truth, the, when she's told the truth, she, you know, she didn't do the little typical little kid thing like, oh, no, you're, you're not telling the truth. But this is a lie because that's my friend. She didn't do that.

1:53:46 She listened and she was like, oh, OK, you're making a lot of sense. So what do we do? You. Know yeah, but I had noise on there. I had, I did have that Missus Wheeler was important. And she was, yeah, she was important because she gave the information about, oh, I'm sorry, she's still alive. But she was important in this volume because she helped Mike and Nancy find out that Mister, what's it is? Henry. So I can check that off my list. I had it as she. She was important. #1 double O one.

1:54:26 I was just like, and I will say this too, I I like that Jamie Campbell Bauer is getting his flowers now because I have felt for a very long time that he has been very underrated as an actor. He is phenomenal in everything he does. So the fact that he is getting all this love for all the the different things he's doing with this show, I'm, I'm very happy about that. Oh, you'll be happy. The other day he showed up at you saw he showed up in the back. I have, I have played every single clip. I've shared it on my Facebook page. I yes, I was like people are so should I have not been there? But that would have been so amazing because you're watching it because you're like, yeah, you know.

1:55:09 And then he turns around and you're like, what? You just like, wait, what? What is that? What? Yeah. I would have freaked out. I would have freaked out, but oh, OK, so upside down we got to talk about this wall of membranes. I was like, did y'all steal this from Game of Thrones? Because that's what it looks like. It looks like the wall and it's just it's growing and it's got stuff in it and. Well, I do think it's cool they've the that Dustin worked out that that the research lab is in the center.

1:56:00 That research lab, let me tell you. Yeah, and that bacon is probably at the research. Level and he is protecting himself against these weirdos who decided to put the whole military compound in my area. It's interesting that he chose to attack the convoy 'cause I don't think he's ever attacked the convoy. No, no, no, no. He didn't choose so I told you why they were on. He was on his way to the house. They. Accident. They crossed his path, right? Yeah, that's right. That's right. It just happened 'cause they were in the way like we're and they start shooting at me. I have AI, have a mission. I was on my way over there.

1:56:42 But my whole thing is the whole thing with the military being in the Upside Down, like the hubris for you to plant roots in this other dimension. Did you not see General K? Yes. She is 90% hubris. She worse than Brenner. Brenner. She's 90% hubris. She is, that is. Her whole aura is hubris. Listen, I mean and I. Liza Hamilton is amazing, but she played that character to AT to. AT to AT you call. Brindles bad. Yeah, I think Doctor K is going to be way worse. And the way that she was using like the, I don't even know what you want to call it is because it's not the Demogorgon, the shadow monster, whatever that thing was, the way that she was controlling it with the heat and the cold and almost killing Hopper.

1:57:42 I was just like, this, this bitch crazy, this bitch be crazy like. And she's just, she's talking about it and she's talking to him. So calm, like, Oh yeah, so we do this and it just, you know, it just might strangle you a little bit, but you're just going to do this and you're going to. She was so calm with it. And I was like, she has familiarity with this beast. She's been there since beginning. She has to, she has to have been part of that program because also, how would you know how to how to get Cali and to use her powers to disable 11? You have to have some insider knowledge. That's what I was saying.

1:58:30 And apparently, like, he ain't by himself. It's always two people working together and they split off 'cause they decided something different. She may be crazier than him. And he was like, I ain't doing that. Yeah, because her. You saw what he did. So Doctor Brenner was like, I, I can't, I can't work with her. I can't. I feel like they work together. I can't fool with her. And how much experimentation do you think she did on the Cali to figure out how to create that device? A lot, Yeah, a lot. A lot. And see, she doesn't have any ties to the kids. Whereas Brenner, Brenner kind of built himself up in this father image to them. He built a bond with them.

1:59:11 So even when he was doing the horrible things, he still had a little bit of a personal stake. You saw that at the end with him in 11 when he was trying to get her to forgive him because he was like, I was just trying to help you. I was only doing this for you, yeah, But you, you, you went about it in a really, really shitty way. Yeah, 'cause then I'm like, what? Well, what really did he do wrong? What's the joke? How long he was kids? Sorry. The only thing I'm like, well, maybe he did not do Henry that wrong 'cause Henry was a tad bit dangerous. He was dangerous.

1:59:55 However, no one knows that part, so just going by he just was dangerous. He had to implant. Even going by the show, he was killing little animals. He's dangerous. So I said do that bad with him. He he stopped him from using his power. I'm saying that part. Yeah. I just said experiment on on women in the in in while they're pregnant and then taking their babies and telling the babies that they're. Torturing them. Right. I'm agreeing with you on that. I'm just saying with Henry, he didn't do so bad trying to help out the situation because he knew he was dangerous. Anytime you take those kinds of measures to try to quote UN quote help a situation you always.

2:00:37 Just make it worse and never fail. Right, He was just going to be crazy so. Yeah. But he was killing small animals. That that doctor. First of all, he killed his Mama from try to kill his and kill his sister and then try to kill his dad, right so. Because my whole thing was OK, if you are, if you're going by the, the reasoning that Henry and and double O one has given to like 11 for why he's doing the things he's doing. He's basically he wants to quote UN quote cleanse the world. He wants to get rid of all the bad people because the bad people doing the bad things are blah, blah, blah.

2:01:18 So I can, I can understand given his father's history, like what his dad did, I can understand how from a child's point of view like that probably didn't know that he did what he did. Because I think the thing was that he was supposed to be, he was supposed to be firing one on the enemy and ended up killing an innocent woman and her child or something like that. I think that's what it was. That could have been an accident if he had done it on purpose different, but that was probably an accident. But to his child's mind, he's not looking at it as this is an accident. He's looking like you killed these people and you didn't take accountability for you weren't punished for it.

2:02:01 You just came back and started living your life. So I can understand how that could be something that might have grieve him. But what did your mom do? What did your sister do? Like your sister was just all she was was happy about the new house skipping up and down the stairs and playing and minding her business. It really was his sister because I think he's saying about his mom. I can't remember. She was thinking something. I think only that she she thought something was different about him. Or she was taking him to the doctor. Doctor. Brown she was. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the way that they treated certain things back then, yeah.

2:02:45 He probably like, oh, OK, yeah. Oh, yeah, I I hear what you thinking. OK, but not his sister. She's playing with the Barbies, sleeping alone. She's just minding her business skipping up and down the stairs, so you know. She would have been traumatized from what she saw. You didn't have to do nothing else. Yeah, so. Or maybe in his mind he maybe in his mind he killed her so that she wouldn't become one of those people who did such and such. Which again, presents a problem because now you are making decisions and doing things based on what people could do. You know, you're not giving them a, a chance to actually grow up, make choices, you know, make the right choice.

2:03:31 Because his sister could have grown up to be a great person, but he didn't give her that chance. But yeah, his whole thing, like what he's planning on doing with the kids, Yeah, it, it, it comes off very creepy. And it's like from his point of view, again, from, from his warped way of thinking, he's trying to fix the world and the kids are going to be the way for him to do it. But do you're not you're not doing much better telling the kids, Oh yeah, we're going to get your friends 1st and then we're going to get your families.

2:04:16 How you going to do that when two of them in the hospital because of what your things did? Like, yeah, it it's, it's just it's not going to work out the way that he wants it to work out. And I'm just like, especially with with the kids that he got that whole thing with them getting the kids into the tunnel and, you know, like that whole plan. I was just like how? How were y'all even? Able to pull this off, but it was actually a good plan. It was. It was, but that until Lucas got a too little bit excited.

2:04:59 Well, I mean. Yeah, it was the what was it was the leak, the leak in the Pike? Yeah. That pretty much caused everyone to go towards the bathroom because if not, that was they were solid. I mean, not with VEGNA, no, it wouldn't work with VEGNA, but they were solid. With the military, though, that was a good plan. And that's the other thing because y'all didn't notice how these kids getting up, going to the bathroom and not coming out Like who? It was 1 teacher come on. And they're not paying me overtime for this, so I'm it. Was more than one teacher. I'm just joking. We were sitting in the corner talking. I mean, but the military, the military is supposed to be a little more diligent.

2:05:40 Like y'all are supposed to be protecting those kids. Yeah, but they're supposed to be taking them on the outside. Really. The teachers were supposed to be monitoring and you know what? This is off hours, so I don't know what y'all want me to monitor. They went into the bathroom, you know, and they're over there with, you know, with the meditation group. We just assumed they were going. The bathroom. And coming back to sit with his group, yeah, we're just happy that they were quiet over there. That group was quiet. They were. They were, but. But it it, it was a good, it was a good plan.

2:06:21 Yeah. It just didn't matter where they popped up. He if they could have got them a little bit sooner, they could have been out of town. Yeah, it was the words but and eventually got the glow up in this season. He been taking that Ozempic. He burned half his body away. And shot at him. That's true. So, I mean, he's done. But he he he has. He's looking good. Yeah. Looking deadly, right? Very deadly when you, you putting your fingers through people's heads. Yeah, that was a lot.

2:07:01 That was a lot. I'm just saying. Listen, I was like, you didn't even have to do all that. You really did. But a glow up too was Mike leading the children away from danger and making sure that they didn't really pay attention to people being shot and killed in front of them. And. He's like eyes on me. Yeah, so I enjoyed that part. Yeah. And the kids wait for me. I'm thinking when you scream wait for me, you need to keep up. Like, do you not see these monsters that's going? Around and the military is shooting and stuff. Nah I'm not a wait for you. Keep up. Yeah, but I mean, and all of them were, all of them were, were doing great.

2:07:43 You know, Robin Murray and Joyce had some of the kids because, you know, they all got separated once they got caught. Lucas had a couple of the kids. Now, unfortunately, Vecna has all the children now, but he doesn't have his Demogorgons, or at least he doesn't have, you know, those three. I don't know how many he has now, but it's again, it's just kind of interesting. It's very weird to me that the military has that outpost in the Upside Down and the Demogorgans have been silent up until now. That's that seems very weird to me but. Victor has Victor has a long term goal like he had they've they've basically done everything he needed them to do. He needed them to to sense of threat and put all the kids in one place.

2:08:40 Yeah, yeah, they. They, they kind of missed, well, they, the kids kind of missed their form because they kind of spread some of them out. But he was able to recover. But they did exactly what he needed them to do. And then he was done because he sent them back to kill Robin, Lucas and Mike. Like I'm tired of these children. Yeah. Yeah, I'm in the Indigo right now. The whole disrespectful thing about it was he sent the Demogorgans to kill them. He had Will in his grasp and he just basically was like, you started all of this because you showed me the children are weak and I can control them.

2:09:26 So thank you for that and just left him there. Why but do? You still say we, we I still got use for you or something. But you know, to him will. Will is not the threat, though. Right, he can he's going to use will when he wants to use Will. So that's why he's not going to kill. He you're not going to kill your pet, your little child, you're not going to kill. But he backed burn, but that was told it was. It was told disrespect, like you just picked him up, talked to him and just like I'm done. Yeah, just. Basically and. Walk the dog and you showed me that children are weak and yeah. I've been using you this whole entire time. Thank you I.

2:10:10 Was like, that was so disrespectful. And I know Will was probably like, you know what? I've been holding the back of my hand, the back of my head for the last four years for nothing. Yeah, I was so peaceful in California to come back to this shit. Right. But, but I mean, if he had stayed in California and all this stuff would have happened, he would have felt guilty. Yeah, but yeah. He would not reach his true potential. Nope. And that sure, that potential boy changed his whole tired look. I was like, that's why we're looking good. Very confident, right looking, looking strong like.

2:10:52 That that haircut was different because it was all wet and WAVY. And when he did this, I was like, oh. Will and the look on his face I was like oh excuse me OK so I said volume to don't have him looking like no victim again. Please no, I'm looking strong. I think this was this was Will's Lucas and Mike glow up. This was his. You'd better lay your hands off dust and oh, you're the mouth breather. This was his. Moment for that. So now, now it's just Dustin's turn. But Dustin, let me tell you, when Dustin took that damn drill to Steve's car, I was like, OK, this is when Dustin going back. This is when Dustin's going to die. But yeah, I mean, now it's Dustin is literally the only one who needs to have his his his glow up moment. Yeah, you know, he's and and it could be that. OK.

2:11:57 Hey, you got to do this for Eddie. You got to do this to make sure that, you know, the truth about Eddie comes out so that he can rest in peace, so you can have your peace, blah, blah, blah. OK. I needed to come in the second volume because kind of like what Lucas said to Max's at, you know, at Max's bedside, we all have to be together in order to get this done. So Dustin got to get on it. He got to get that glove up, and I'm going to need Max to get out, which I know one of the episodes for Volume 2 is Escape, Escape from Camazot. So somebody's coming out. I don't know if it's going to be her or Holly. I'm hoping that it's Max.

2:12:40 I'm hoping that it's Max too. I'm hoping that it's Max Holly may end up getting left behind because she may be the one to convince the other kids that hey this is what we need to do, you need to come here. Like she may be able to rescue the other kids like Max rescued her and then they able to give Beck the hell. I mean all I got to say is the second episode is on. Holly is just having just an awesome time at the Playhouse here. This is creepy. This cuz it be a creeper and she over here baking cakes. She's 9, dancing.

2:13:21 We're we're looking at this from grown up I. I know and back in the day with everything was innocent. You are absolutely right. You know, you go with the stranger, you exploring their house and you find, you know, things made out of skin. See, you don't do that. You snooping in things you just you don't. She has dresses. She made her some chocolate cake. Watching television, I mean. It's it's interesting you saying something about her helping the other kids because her D&D character that that Mike has for her. Holly the heroic makes portals. So maybe that you might be on the something there.

2:14:05 Yeah, like, kind of like what Michelle says. They don't tell us certain details without it, you know, being important later on. So I don't know, maybe that has to do with that whole wormhole thing too. I don't know. I don't know. And especially since she's reading a wrinkle in TIE and all of that is about making portals and saving kids and saving universe so. Yeah. Yeah, it makes me want to go back and watch the movie. I'm not reading the book but can't. Book The book is. I meant by Christmas Day. Seriously, I can watch the movie maybe by Christmas Day, but not read the book by Christmas Day. It's probably.

2:14:49 That big it's. Not that big. OK again. You, you know. What, you watch the movie while I'm like you? Have to read the whole. Working in yeah I I'm trying to get something in to assist in watching volume to gotcha. I don't have time. For that look, I'm like you feel like that, then you'll. Read it and tell me what? Happened. I've read I was just, I was like, I might need to go to Goodwill and see if I can find a copy I. Read it. I'm not reading it again. I don't even. I may have read an elementary school, I don't even remember. I didn't, but I saw the movie OK.

2:15:31 I know I didn't see the movie so but yeah. But we got 3 episodes coming on Christmas Day at 8:00 eight. O'clock. And then the finale is on New Year's Eve, also at 8:00, It's called The Right Side Up. That one is actually 2 hours and 5 minutes. And we are going to see that in the movie theater. And I'm excited, but I'm also sad because that means it'll be over. Like we're starting 2026 with No Stranger Things. Period now.

2:16:12 But I'm OK with that because it's over and then I have something I can watch from beginning to end. Yeah. And it's I mean. You have books. And and it and, but it's also complete because they, the Duffel brothers, care about this and they put in the work and it's complete. Yeah, and sometimes you can't say that for a lot of things. That's true. I'm hoping we don't have a Game of Thrones situation. I don't think so. Because they're staying true to what they feel the story should be and not because it needs to end or it's too much money and this and this and this from HBO. So because it's not HBO, so this is theirs. It's not like they're waiting for an author to finish what they're, you know, this is a, this is something where they had to, because I've been watching their interviews where when they first went to Netflix, they had to explain what the upside down was, but they couldn't give it away. But they had like 15 pages of information just so that they can be aware.

2:17:16 So you, you, you really thought about this. Yes, you may have thought that they thought they wanted many seasons, but they wasn't sure about season. It'll be season 1. I know people are like, well, you know nothing about VEGNA, but they knew about the big bad, which we don't. We don't, you know, until next week. Yeah, I was going to say VEGNA is not the big bad. Right. So we can say he was, he was a part of the story. But, you know, and there's some things that they're closing up, like they bought, they're bringing Cali back. They want to close that up. They going to tell us who opened that door when Will was being chased?

2:17:56 Yeah. Yeah. So that's that's what I would like. Give me some clothes. You give me a good wrap it up in a nice, pretty neat little bowl. 'Cause I know this can't go on like they are adults. And if it does go on, how sad is that for their life that they're totally in the trauma response, like they haven't had a rest time. So once this is over, maybe, you know, people be dead, but they can get they can stop. It's over. They're not waiting for something else to keep happening to them. Yeah, unless we get something 10 years down the road where it starts affecting their children.

2:18:41 Well, that would be a quite great story. But her Nancy was gonna might get a spin off. Her spin off is a book. OK, Yeah. That, you know, they have. They have Stranger Things novels and there's a Nancy novel coming out sometime early next year. So yeah. But you know how the media, they spend things and it's like, oh, she's got a spin off. I was like, they're not doing a show. They're not. Yeah, no, it's a book. Yeah, because I think they do. They're doing something. They're doing something else. Yeah. But is there anything else in volume one that we did not touch on? I mean, there was a, there was a lot that happened. Well, I I just wanted to mention Popper and Elle's assault on the base, which I thought was kind of cool. Yeah.

2:19:36 She told him she could do it, and she did. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, he knew she could do it, but he was trying to protect. Her timing was off a little bit, but you know, you just never know until you there you got to be put in the situation. Yeah, flying over, you know, the bus and stuff like that and. And doing pumpkin heads is not the real thing, but I mean but. He because he saw you can see, you see her potential. Yeah, you can. But he that last run, he told Joyce, Joyce was like, did she clear it? And he was like with a second to spare. So he knew it. But he's been he's trying to protect her because he doesn't want to lose her. Right. No, I mean, when she did it, he was saying, Oh my gosh, no, no, your time's off.

2:20:17 Your time's off. And it was. And she was like, oh, shoot, when she I missed, she was like, oh shit, I missed. But she recovered quickly. Yeah, but. Yeah. So and the and the revelation that it was Cali, I thought that was kind of. Cool, yeah. Yeah, that was. Pretty good. And you know, and it's cute that Robin and Vicki are together. It's cute. But this ain't gonna work 'cause you want to tell Vicki what's happening because you keep cancelling on Vicki and Vicki look like she getting a little tired. She getting a little tired. Just a little. Yeah, 'cause you you trying to take her the end zone, 'cause you know you have made fucked up, right. So this is.

2:21:02 Not going to work. None of y'all Nancy and Jonathan are different because both of them are in it. But if you don't need to be dating nobody who has no knowledge of this because, one, because you're going to have to be lying to them, and then two, you could possibly be putting them in in danger that they don't necessarily need to be in, especially if they are ignorant of what's going on. That's just not fair, You know? So it's cute. I'm glad she found, you know, she got her crush. But yeah, that is something. Look, Vicki might die.

2:21:46 That part so it. Will suck for Robin, but did she at least? She had a little love before, you know. Yeah. It went away. Yeah, but you? You don't need to be in a relationship when you are trying to find the thing that is trying to end the world. Right. Well, I really did enjoy volume one. I've watched it twice. It flows really well. So it's not one of those things where I can say, OK, this happened in episode 1234.

2:22:27 I mean, clearly we know what happened in four. Yeah, yeah. I mean the big. However, but it it just seems like it's it's a great like flow from one to the other. I really actually probably liked episode 2 the the trap. I really did. Episode 2 was. Good. Yeah, I really like them working together. Yeah, and stuff. Episode 2 was like old school Stranger Things. Yes, it was, yeah. But I think I think 4 was my favorite because of Will. Oh yeah, 4/4. I mean, I like to. Because I was. Just like finally, but I love to 4. It's just the 20 minutes.

2:23:18 No, it's more than it's more than 20 minutes. It's it's all it starts when Derek the meditator was getting those kids in that bathroom and then when everything went to hell. It's like I I like that, but I liked everything. I'm just saying those are the just the the parts like I enjoy like Mike being physical in episode 2, like he did good. Yeah. And I'm always great when Nancy has a gun, any type of gun. Anytime, yeah, anytime Nancy is in her Take charge money, yes. Also, I I liked finding out what happened to Max.

2:24:01 I like having that that kind of because I was really worried about that was like, I don't want her to just spend the entire time just in the bed. You just got something to do. So. Yeah. So it was cool, you know, seeing where she woke up to and where she's, you know, landed. Make her home in The Cave. Yeah. And stuff. Now I I need the Henry Creel back story because again, I don't know anything about the first shadow. I've purpose. I purposefully have kept away from it because I was like, I don't want to know anything just in case it has something to do with season 5. And then I'll probably go and and read some information on it.

2:24:42 I really want to see it. But you know, I, I just I. Don't. Yeah. And it's different here in the States than it is overseas too, because we watched a video where they talked about the, I watched, they talked about the differences and stuff. So it didn't. It makes it seems like that we have a short attention span also. We stupid. We stupid. That's not what she said, she said. I'm gonna go with we. Have That's why they made the changes, because we're stupid over here. Yeah. No, I just, I think, I think over here we also view theater a lot different than they do over there. So, but you know.

2:25:32 No, it, it's literally stuff that has nothing to do with theater. It's just like, 'cause we, we, we got to dumb things down to take it, but that's just, that's OK. It's all right. We'll get better one day. Probably not, but we will. It ain't gonna be before Episode 8, so. Or. No, it won't be. So again, we have the three episodes for volume to coming up in a couple of days. So we will continue recording Stranger Things by volume because we just see, especially with this being the holidays, trying to do it episode by episode was just not working. I mean, we rescheduled trying to do episode 1, I think 6 times total.

2:26:21 And it was just like, OK, you know what, at this point, we will never get it done. So we will do Volume 2. And then again, we will be spending our New Year's Eve at the movie theaters watching it. Maybe we'll do a live reaction afterwards. That that would be great. That would be fun. Yeah. We, I mean, we may have to do. I'm sure Michelle and I are going to be ugly crying. We're going to have tea. Right. And I'm going to be like, can't see a thing too and see when I sit that close to a screen, but I'm there for it. I'll fear it out. Yeah, because it's a small theater and those things were going quick. And what made me mad was that after I purchased my $500 worth of tickets, everyone, the app kept crashing and I kept thinking I didn't purchase tickets. And then I did.

2:27:15 And then I had Anthony over here purchasing tickets and then all of a sudden I'm getting confirmation you have bought tickets. What? They opened up a big theater. I was like, why you just didn't do that beforehand? I'm confused about that. But it's also an hour later, which means that, yeah, they, they probably, they will have an hour of some kind of spoilers before. No, they won't 'cause we would be sitting up in that movie like this. They put your damn phone down. You know, everybody put your phone down, don't say a word. Yeah, OK, it started. We're going to go, we're going to be one of the first people to see it. That'll be great. And then like, like Anthony said, we may do a live reaction video, we may talk about some stuff, and then Stranger Things will be over. Yeah, and they'll be New Year's.

2:28:04 Yeah, Look, I'd be like, yeah, we don't answer 2026. Stressed and distraught. I just go into bed. I know because like. What can help? Everybody, I'm good. I need to. I need a moment. Yeah, I think that's going to be me, too. So. Right. I like Michelle. You OK? No, I'm not OK. I'm just going to be in the bed. I don't think we're going to be OK, but it's going to be OK. So. But until then, we hope everyone has a Merry Christmas and that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media, on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid.

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