Stranger Things (Season 5 Volume 1) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #390

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and Michelle.
And we are discussing finally on

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this show, Stranger Things.
How long have we been trying to

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do Stranger Things?
We've been trying to do Stranger

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Things since, what, Season 3?
And we just have not had a

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chance.
And but that's not even why I'm

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saying that.
Oh I know, I know why you're

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saying it, but.
OK, you know what I'm saying it

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for.
It has multiple meanings for

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this.
OK, We've been we've been

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talking about things outside of
the podcast, right?

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And we've been wanting to do it.
We just have, I mean, even this

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right here, we're about to
discuss volume 1.

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We've been trying to do volume
one since Thanksgiving.

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It is 2 days before Christmas
and we are just like, we have

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rescheduled this so many times
because of our schedules.

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But this is Michelle's thing.
Y'all, y'all know how everybody

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has their their fandoms Like
everybody knows with me it was

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Harry Potter and then it's
Outlander Walking Dead.

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For Anthony, it's Star Wars and
Lord of the Things.

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Stranger Things is Michelle's
jam and she has been itching,

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itching, itching for us to
discuss it.

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So we're finally here.
We're going to talk about Season

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5 Volume 1, which includes the
1st 4 episodes of the final

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season.
Of the show, right?

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Oh, another.
About damn time.

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We've been waiting for years for
the final season.

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Yeah, yes, we have that is, and
that's the crazy thing.

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This show is five seasons.
They've been doing this for 11

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years.
That's crazy it.

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Is.
Like in that time.

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Like.
Millie, Bobby.

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Brown is a grown.
Yeah, she's gotten married and

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has a baby now.
Big grown people.

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What big grown?
Watching this first episode, I'm

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like, these are adults.
They are adults.

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They are I still.
And I do, like Michelle said, I

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do work with high school kids
and yes, some, most of them, a

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lot of them look like adults,
but still.

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It's jarring.
It's it's jarring especially

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when we've seen them literally
grow up on screen.

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I think that's the case not just
with this show, but even the

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shows where we watch them like
gradually progress.

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Like watching Chandler Riggs
grow up on The Walking Dead.

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You know, there wasn't a lot of
long hiatuses with that show,

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but still we watched him from a
little bitty kid to pretty much

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a grown man on that show.
So it's just it's it's very

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weird to see.
And then watching all of their

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cast interviews and stuff
lately, I'm just like, wow, this

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is, it's so weird.
They're grown.

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They're like really, really
grown.

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But anyway, let's get into this
Volume 1 because there's a lot

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to talk about.
We're not going to do a lot of

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recast because if you're
watching or listening to us

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right now discuss Stranger
Things and you don't know what's

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going on with Stranger Things,
you in the wrong place.

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This is not for you.
This is.

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Not for you, if you don't mind,
you know, spoilers, that's fine.

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But I think we all pretty much
if we're here, we we're caught

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up, we know what's going on, so
we could just talk about the

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good, the bad and the ugly with
volume one.

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The first thing I'm going to
mention is they start off the

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show episode one with a
flashback of Will when he gets

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when he's in the upside down.
He's been in the upside down at

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this point for I think 4 days
when when this particular

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episode starts.
So you get to see him running

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from the Demogorgon.
You see his first encounter with

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Vecna.
The the thing with the the the

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the the sucking or the the
pudding, whatever in his.

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I've dealt with enough gross
stuff in the last month.

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After watching Welcome to Dairy
I was like.

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And then I'm still like it's
playing in the background and

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I'm still wondering what is it,
right?

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What is it?
Because that's.

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The it's the the stuff, the.
But he kept him alive though,

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because that's how Hopper and
Joyce found him.

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And that is what and that is
what's happening to the kids

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right now.
So I'm like black smoke, right?

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It it gives is it giving the
nutrients like it's some

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ambiotic fluid with the stuff in
it like what is happening I.

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Don't know but it's I.
Guess that's something that

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ain't thinking about.
Like how is it keeping them with

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substance and stuff?
It's disgusting.

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And then he went.
So.

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So when he went into, when he
went to OK, never mind, 'cause

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it came out, did it come out the
back too?

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I'm just wondering.
I was going to leave that one

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alone.
That's just my thoughts.

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I mean, these are things that we
wonder.

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I mean, you know, but I went
when we were watching this scene

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or when I was watching this
scene, the thing that got me,

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first of all, the the technology
that they used to put Noah

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Schnapp's face on to the little
kid was really interesting

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because I really thought this
was another little kid that they

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just got to look like him.
Then I found out I actually know

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one of the actors who double as,
who worked as his body double in

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this particular episode.
And he's a he's a, a a shorter

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actor, younger actor.
And he was telling me that, you

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know, they kind of transpose the
face on several of them to kind

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of get different angles, I think
throughout the season.

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But I heard Noah talking about
and I was like, oh, that's

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interesting because I really
thought this look, I was like,

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did they film this before or
what did they do?

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But it was interesting because
the I mean, they did a pretty

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good job.
It was better than Renee's man

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Twilight.
I will say that the the.

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The aging technology has gotten,
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Better it it was better than
Guardians of the Galaxy 2.

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It was definitely better than
Miss Captain Marvel.

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Yeah, with so it, it is it's got
what and that was been years ago

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so it has gotten better, right
but.

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In the transposing, it's better
than what's that movie Star

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Wars?
Rogue One.

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They did it with Leia.
Yes.

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And it's also they did it in.
They did it in the Mandalorians.

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Did Mandalorian with?
Luke.

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Luke Yeah, yeah.
So the the missing of those

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technologies got got so much
better.

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Yeah, yeah.
But so we see Will and council

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buyers.
He's hiding from the Demogorgon.

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Demogorgon finds him, starts
chasing him.

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Now, the thing that got me was
when Will was climbing up the

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tree to get away from him, He I
think he would have been fine.

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But as soon as he saw the
Demogorgon, you hear him do the

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loud breathing.
I was like, why don't why do

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kids do that?
Why do people do that when

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you're hiding and you make this
obvious noise like drawing the

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attention and then he's in the
tree.

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He jumps over to another tree to
get away from the Demogorgon.

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He starts falling.
His strap, his book bag strap

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gets caught on one of the limbs
and he just turns his head and

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watches as the strap comes
undone instead of grabbing for

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the strap to hold on.
I was like, I know he's only

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what, 12 at this point, but I
was just like, because that's

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one thing When I was a kid
playing with the book back, that

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was one of the things you always
did.

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You play it with the strap.
You let the strap loose, you

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pull it back.
You let the strap loose, you

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pull it back.
It was like, you could have

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easily done that.
I mean the Demogorgon probably

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still would have gotten him, but
you would have at least at least

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try.
Well, again, this is first time

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being kidnapped.
And you do have to say that with

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this character like this.
Time being in a tree, hanging by

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your book bag.
Right, you know, and the upside

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down, you know, Yeah.
Now, now they you know, all the

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kids after season 1 are is ready
to fight.

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But this time, this was the
first.

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I was just.
Like this was the first.

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You you could have did a little
bit more will, but of course, if

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he did that, then we wouldn't
have the story that we have now.

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So, you know, I guess it, I
guess it, I don't want to say

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worked out because he's been
he's been struggling for a while

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since then.
But I will say this, one of the

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things I love about this first
volume, he doesn't feel as on

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the outside as he has seasons 2
through 4.

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Like, you know, it was always
the friend group and then he was

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kind of to the side.
And I really like that.

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It feels like the guys are being
better friends to him now.

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And I don't know if that's
because Hawkins is cut off from

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everything else and they're all
just kind of stuck together.

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But even with the scenes with
Mike, you know when you see Mike

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and Elle, at least in the last
few seasons, like those two

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really got on my nerves.
Like I understand teenage

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hormones and first love and all
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And and and.
Got on my nerves.

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And that's pretty much, that's
pretty much it.

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It, I think with this is because
there is a goal, there is a is a

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purpose, but not just out being
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If we were out just being
teenagers, then it still may be

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a little different.
And I think also that Will is

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starting to become his own
'cause like, after that

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conversation in Season 4 with,
you know, with his brother and

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everything.
So he's starting to, you know,

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like, not just stay on the side.
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Yeah, I.
Also think they had a little bit

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of reconciliation at the end of
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I think, yeah, that too.
And now and now they're there's,

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you know, there's a goal and
everyone's on the team and

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everyone contributes to this
goal.

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Yeah, and I, I like that we see
that because the last few

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seasons it's kind of like you, I
really felt like for you guys to

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be so worried about Will season
1 when he was missing and

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everything, I feel like the kids
took it for granted that oh, we

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got him back and he's here and
they treated him like trash.

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Like, I was really angry at
these kids the last few seasons

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because it felt like, you know,
this is a kid who y'all went

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through so much to try to get
him back and now that y'all have

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him back, y'all are still kind
of pushing him to the side and

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not paying attention to him.
But and they all been they've

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been like that period.
They all have not been good

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friends at certain point to even
each other.

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Well, they got and.
Other things.

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Like 11 and we.
Don't even.

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Listen, has Susie.
No, no, no, no, Mike just not

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been a good friend who has.
Nothing.

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And that's it.
Mike has not been a good friend.

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Yeah.
But Mike is not the only one

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though.
Lucas is his friend, and so is

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destiny.
OK, so we won't even want to get

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there but.
Mike is the yeah, but it's.

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Mike is the his friend friend
and Mike being his main friend,

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like even though they are a
group of friends, like they were

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the first little part.
So Mike should have been like,

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hey, cuz even in season 1 it
wasn't Mike who was like, let's

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go look, let's go Will.
Actually it was episode where

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Lucas was like, forget all this,
we need to be finding this boy.

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Where will that Let's find Will.
It's now Mike is caught up with

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11.
However, I mean however they and

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then they treated Lucas wrong in
season 4 so.

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But you know what I will say?
This too caught up with 11.

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He didn't have time for Mike.
What about?

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What about Season 4?
You didn't have time for Will.

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What about season 4?
I will say this too and and you

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kind of see a little bit of that
with Dustin in this season.

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Lucas was being a bit of an
asshole in week. 4 No, No, no,

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no, no.
No, no, no.

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OK, so wanted.
To be with the popular guy, No,

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But he did.
He tell.

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He said why.
He kept telling them why.

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He kept telling him why.
So that boy was balancing trying

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to be on the basketball team for
them to become popular.

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He said.
I'm trying to get us not to get

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picked over.
At the same time, he's still in

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the Hellfire Club.
One day he asked for them to

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come to the game.
Important game to him.

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They did not show up.
They didn't really ask for the

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the campaign to be postponed.
They literally went to his

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sister, grabbed his sister, they
won, walk out.

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He actually did something great.
No one even knows he is sitting

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there playing Mission
Impossible.

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He is following these boys
around knowing something is

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wrong but trying to cover for
his friends at the same time.

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I'm sorry, he was more of a
friend.

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And I get that part, I do.
But I think the thing that that

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bothered me about Lucas and that
whole thing was that group has

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never wanted to be popular.
And I get you wanting to, you

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know, keep them from getting
picked on or whatever.

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But if if the rest of your
friends are telling you we're

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really not interested in in, in
that whole thing, you know, for

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you to still be like, OK, well,
I'm trying to help us out.

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Whatever.
We don't want that kind of help.

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We we don't want it now.
Should they have gone to this

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game?
Yes.

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Does it help them out now?
Yeah, because he walk around the

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school he about to beat up
people and no one messes with.

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But that had nothing to do with
him being on the team.

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That had to do with him standing
up to the team, which he should

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have been doing in the first
place.

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Like, like, well, you know, it
was hard for tom-tom Cruise,

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though.
Tom Cruise was charismatic, you

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know what I'm saying?
He was, until he wasn't.

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No.
Even even Lucas said I'm sorry I

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came knocking because you are
bat shit crazy outside friends,

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we'll be having cursing on this
this episode, but.

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We ground, we alright.
But Tom Cruise was charismatic.

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Though, Well, you know what?
I look.

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Until he wasn't.
Because he he because he was

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into that whole like he, he
started out fate to me, like the

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whole pep talk and blah blah.
I was like, Oh, you finna be one

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of these bullshit characters,
right?

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It is.
You know that that that makes

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everyone like you.
And then when you look at how he

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really is, it's horrible And,
and guess what?

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He ends up becoming sorry car
car salesman.

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He'll end up being car salesman
in his hometown, but in high

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school, that is his peak and
everyone loves him.

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Yeah, he did.
OK.

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Yeah, he did OK.
I could straight down, right?

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And he sure did.
Absolutely.

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OK, so so we can agree that
everyone has just been just.

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I mean, it's that growing pains
that they're going through

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puberty, they're going through
that whole transition from

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middle school to high school.
So there are there's gonna be

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some, some disagreements and
stuff, but it, it, it's kind of

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like I, I kind of felt like
Lucas was losing the focus of

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what that friend group was in
the pursuit of trying to be part

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of the, the popular kids or part
of the kids.

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That's not, it's kind of like
March with the the Patty cakes

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on welcome to dairy.
Like, you know, these kids are

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assholes, but because they're
the popular assholes, you want

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to be a part of that group and
you're ignoring either your gut

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feeling or you're ignoring what
your friends are telling you.

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Like, hey, this is not you.
And he, I don't know.

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I just feel like they're, I
don't know, there was a better

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way he could have approached
that which.

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I still I we can agree with this
grass.

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I still disagree with that
because I still think he his

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intentions were good, but he
also was a good athlete.

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So it was, I think it was OK for
him to explore something

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different because that's the
same with Mike and Will.

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So like Will leaves and you
don't even contact Will, but

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that's another, see, that's
another story.

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But we'll go with go with who's
in Hopkins.

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I think he was doing something
different now, realizing that

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you you found another set of
friends, you're trying to merge

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friends and that wasn't working.
Then you realize the friends you

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were trying to merge with, not
necessarily all of them, because

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the other black boy was going
through some things too.

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That's why he got taken by
Begna.

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But those wasn't the right
people.

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But you still are a good
athlete, you found out.

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Yeah, yeah.
So and and so you can.

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Have you can you can be the geek
and you can be the athlete.

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He has to learn how to reconcile
that just because you want to be

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something in the school that's
not being picked on, that your

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friends don't want to, and that
friend groups can't merge.

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That that's that's the key.
And that's something that you

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learn in that's.
Something you want to ask for?

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Your friend groups can't merge.
And that you will meet and

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become friends with different
groups of people.

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You may be in different groups,
but you also got to stay true to

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your.
Core to your core and that and I

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think.
But your core has to also

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understand that you can be
interested in other things and

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they didn't reconcile that part
too with them.

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I don't think that was the
problem that they have with

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Lucas, but Lucas was Lucas.
Oh yeah, they.

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They Lucas acted ashamed of of
who they are and what they did.

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Like anytime the the basketball
guys brought up like the Oh, you

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hanging with those nerves?
Oh, no, Oh, I'm not a part of

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Hellfire.
No, I don't know what you're

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talking about.
When you get to the part where

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you have to lie about who you
are to impress somebody else,

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that's when I start having a
problem.

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With right, but I'm I'm just
talking with the with the friend

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group.
They even didn't reconcile that

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he could be doing something
different.

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That's all I was.
Talking about Oh no and, and

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yeah, and they were wrong for
that, yeah, but.

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Yeah.
So I he managed the situation as

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best he could for who he is,
because I think we also forget

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that there is not many other
black kids in the school.

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Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah.
So it's a, it's a, it's a

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combination.
Yeah.

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It's just like y'all saying how
you know Steve is wrong.

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See, I can't, you know I can't.
I'm going cosign on Steve and

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Lucas.
No, I'm just saying I'm going

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cosign for Steve and Lucas, but
who I will not cosign for Will.

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What do we say to Steve was
wrong?

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Nothing.
I just think the two people I

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love, Lucas and Steve, that's
what you just.

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Said just like y'all saying
Steve is wrong.

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Who's?
I say when y'all say something

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about Steve I will cosign too on
Steve.

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I was just saying, I'm just
saying she's pre empting us.

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That's what she's doing.
Even though Jonathan too wasn't

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even a good brother to wheel
last season, he realized that he

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was he he was high most of the
time when his brother needed me.

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Said it.
I'm sorry but.

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You know what?
I will say this for Jonathan.

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Somebody else said this on
social media today and I was

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like, finally somebody said it.
Like nobody really gives

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Jonathan the credit he deserves
for the stuff that he has been

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through like this.
This boy went when Joyce was

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working, you know, season 1.
Joyce is working so much that

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Jonathan, a teenager, is put in
charge of Will, which, you know,

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us Gen.
X and older.

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That's kind of how our parents
did.

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Like you have the oldest
siblings and they watch the

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younger siblings as, as you
know, helping.

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But you know, now I look at that
differently.

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Like they have them children.
They shouldn't be responsible

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for those children.
Jonathan had to literally take

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care of Will when Will was the
one who came up missing.

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Joyce was like, well, you didn't
even notice that he was.

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Why would why would he be the
one?

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You're you're the he.
Had a job?

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He had to be the one to go and
like, really identify Will's

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body.
He had to be the one to plan a

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funeral all on his own.
He had to go and find their

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father like Jonathan had to deal
with with a lot and and he has

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not had the proper support that
he needed.

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So Jonathan, I have my, I have
my problems with him this

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season, but I really feel like
Jonathan should really be given

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a break because everybody else
supports all the other players

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or, you know, everybody else has
somebody else's back.

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Nobody really has Jonathan's
back.

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Not even.
Not even.

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That's the curse of being the
oldest.

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Yeah.
You don't have that support

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because it's just you.
Yeah.

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Right.
You know and and you don't

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expect the support from anyone.
Yeah.

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And I, I got nothing to say for
Will, I mean not Will for

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Jonathan.
I just, yeah.

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Before before we get too deep, I
just want to say the coolest

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scene to me was in this first
episode was when Beston was

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getting picked on by the
basketball players and Lucas

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come straight down the hall.
I was like, oh, somebody about

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to get their ass whipped just.
The whole energy in the scene

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changed and it's like Lucas
isn't even.

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It's not like he he bulked up or
anything.

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It was just the attitude.
So when he comes in and he was

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like, hey, don't touch him
anymore.

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Remember what happened when my
sister kicked you in the nuts?

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Well, I'm gonna kick you in the
nuts and this is going to

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happen.
Then Mike and the others come

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around and Mike was like, oh, I,
you know, I think we need to

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take care of these mouth
breathers.

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I was so.
Yeah, right.

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It's like they don't.
We understand, but nobody else

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understands what they have gone
through, what they have had.

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They've been through the fire.
They have crossed Burning Sea.

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I mean, they have done all this
stuff and these little bullies.

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This is nothing.
And that's my bone to pick with

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Dustin.
Like Dustin, we got big official

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fry.
Yeah, I know you want to keep

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Eddie's memory alive and I know
you want to do all this, but

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like, why you keep messing with
these bullies?

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They mean nothing.
He is what?

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You mean now we right I.
I.

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Understand that, but we all
grief not a different way.

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But can we not grieve by poking
the bear?

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We not grieve right by
instigating the bullies.

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Yeah.
I'm not stirring them up, but.

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Right, because he, he, he has no
focus on what they're doing.

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He doesn't.
I mean, he still has the focus,

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but I, I also feel like Dustin
is also in Dustin is also kind

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of in that he's in a similar
place with where Jonathan is,

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where it's like everybody
depends on Dustin for so much,

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especially Steve.
You know, it's like, we got a

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problem or we're going to go to
Dustin.

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We need to figure this out or
we're going to go to Dustin.

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And it's like Dustin is
obviously grieving.

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Dustin was the one who sat there
and watched the watched Eddie

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die.
You know, he's the one who

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pulled Eddie into all of this.
And so not only does he have

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grief because his friend is
gone, but he also feels guilt.

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And then on top of that, life is
pretty much gone on for

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everybody else.
And the whole town is pretty

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much just written Eddie off
because again, they're believing

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this false narrative that he's
the cause of most of this stuff.

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And I can fit.
Dustin is grieving and he is

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angry.
He is and he.

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Like, you know.
And he has no fault.

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He's not focused.
We can be complete.

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He doesn't, he's going along
with the plans, but he's, he's

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stuck into his grief.
He, he can't see the forest from

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the trees right now.
Like they have a goal because

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you we can say the same thing
with other other people that's

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in this family, especially
grieving.

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I know he's focused.
Because he's trying, Lucas,

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because he knows what the goal
is.

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He he hasn't made it past that
point.

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So somehow in volume to
something's going to happen with

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pushing forward.
Like, OK, now I have to do

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something.
We really have to end this.

450
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,480
We have to revenge Eddie's death
and everything like that.

451
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,360
But right now, he's kind of
stuck.

452
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,480
I mean, they're all kind of
stuck.

453
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,400
But going back to what Anthony
just said, yeah, Lucas, I mean,

454
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Lucas is different because I
think Lucas, he's grieving, but

455
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,520
his person is still there.
There is still a chance that Max

456
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,600
will come out of it.
So I think it's different for

457
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,480
Lucas and and Dustin because
Lucas, his hope is right there.

458
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,160
And don't you say, Anthony, but
I'm just saying his hope is

459
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,560
right there.
Max is sitting right there in a

460
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,840
hospital.
But that can be worse.

461
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,120
That can be worse.
It can.

462
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,200
Be, but at least there's a
possibility.

463
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,680
With Eddie, there's no
possibility.

464
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,640
For right there's but you know
what happened to him, but he

465
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,120
went out in the right and you
know.

466
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,480
Coming back, you can't bring him
back.

467
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,000
You can't make him come back.
And I know these are supposed to

468
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,680
be teenagers and grief is
really, really the loss of a

469
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,080
loved 1 is really tough on
teenagers.

470
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,360
It's.
Hard.

471
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,200
On a lot of people, but it's
especially hard on teens because

472
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,600
they don't really know how to
process their own their emotions

473
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,840
in general, much less very
intense emotion like the loss of

474
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,440
a loved 1.
So I understand his, his pain,

475
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,960
but but my issue with him is
they're, they have other stuff,

476
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:46,640
like they have something that's
considerably more important that

477
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,520
even he knows.
And he will probably say that,

478
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,000
but for some reason, because of
his grief, because of his not

479
00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,280
able to really process his
anger, he can't move forward.

480
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,040
He's he's, he's really like
Michelle said, he's stuck.

481
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,880
A lot of them are kind of stuck,
but he is stuck more than

482
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,480
anyone.
And that's why when when they

483
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,760
all come up to him, when he's
being bullied, they're looking

484
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,160
at him like, what do you And
they all see it too.

485
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,800
Like why are you doing all this?
Like you can be fine with

486
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,160
keeping the Hellfire Club and
wearing a shirt but like you are

487
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,160
literally pushing the bullies
buttons.

488
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720
But that's what happens a lot of
times when people have when

489
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,960
they're dealing with their grief
and anger is like.

490
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,760
Yeah, take it out on somebody.
Not only that, but it's almost

491
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,480
like, again, he feels guilt.
So it's almost like he's wanting

492
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,480
someone to take it out on him.
He's wanting someone to punish

493
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,720
him for what he feels like is
his part in Eddie's death.

494
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,800
And I really feel like that's
what it is.

495
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,160
He may not recognize that that's
what it is, but I, I really feel

496
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,880
like Dustin feels like he
deserves to be punished.

497
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,160
You know what I'm saying?
But also he's angry at these

498
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,160
other people because y'all also
contributed to this.

499
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,720
So it's, it's kind of like it's
one of those things where is it?

500
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,960
He's like you said, Michelle,
something major is going to have

501
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,520
to happen for him to sit down
and be like, OK, you know what?

502
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,160
I've got to stop.
I've got to let this go, but.

503
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,840
Right.
So he needs to he needs to do,

504
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,920
he needs to do like short term
goal, long term goal.

505
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,040
Well, I know what's going to
help him along because he's even

506
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:37,440
treating the other person he's
closest to like trash right now,

507
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,920
which is Steve.
So again, what's going to

508
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,240
happen?
I already know what's going to

509
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:42,960
happen.
Already.

510
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,320
No, we're not.
We're not.

511
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,240
But you know he's.
Just a dead man, which is almost

512
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,040
stated out loud.
Because that that little, that

513
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,480
little clip in the trailer where
there's telling each other, you

514
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,040
die, I die, you die and I do.
Excuse me, gentlemen.

515
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,040
What we are not doing is dying.
We will not have any Steve

516
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,600
Harrington or No No.
But that will that will knock

517
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,400
some sense to him like because
Steve will do anything for him.

518
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:16,720
So maybe that will get on board.
But I if we kind of predict, I

519
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,200
hope Steve don't die.
Because ultimately, if you kill

520
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,920
Steve, I really feel bad for
Dustin because that's it.

521
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,440
Yeah.
Like that's grief on top of

522
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,560
grief and stuff.
Now I don't necessarily feel

523
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,840
like he feel guilty for bringing
Andy in.

524
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,280
They really was trying to help.
I feel it's more guilty that you

525
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,160
could not help him and then show
people that he was a brave

526
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,920
person who helped save the world
type of person.

527
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,640
But then you got another person
you close to you was Eddie and

528
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,000
Steve, two different people but
you love both of them and they

529
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,560
both die and everybody else get
to go get married and run off in

530
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,400
the lilies in the field.
I'm going to have a problem with

531
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,480
that.
I do.

532
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,320
I'm OK with the old people die
because we we older the parents

533
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:07,680
we die but he loses 2.
Yeah, yeah.

534
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,040
And I think he's also lashing
out at Steve because, again,

535
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,440
it's, it's just one of those
things.

536
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,320
He's not processing his grief.
He's like, oh, Eddie died, but

537
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,880
you're still here.
And I don't think he's upset

538
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,400
that Steve is still there, but I
just think he does not know

539
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,400
where to place his anger and his
grief right now.

540
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Right.
You know?

541
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,560
But yeah, because he's a
teenager.

542
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,440
So it's like it comes out in the
whole, like, whole different

543
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,280
ways.
Yeah.

544
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,080
Yeah.
Especially given what they've

545
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,600
been through the last few years.
And other people, it has come

546
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,560
like Will.
Will has changed because he's

547
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,080
becoming into himself.
You know, he got taller.

548
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,000
He still has the bowl cut.
They were sitting there, that

549
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,360
tear with a limp.
She had grown.

550
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,920
Yeah, he, he's getting older,
you see.

551
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,160
He's he's, you know,
understanding his feelings.

552
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,320
Mike, he's still got 11, you
know what I'm saying?

553
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,880
11 around Lucas, reason why he
looked like that.

554
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,480
He has matured, though, into
himself because he is

555
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,120
maintaining.
I think after him and old he saw

556
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,080
into the fight last season.
He was like, oh, this actually

557
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,280
happened again.
I'm not.

558
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:21,560
And then he literally had his
his like girlfriend die in his

559
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,240
arms.
Then he came back.

560
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,880
And then every day you go into
the hospital and go visitor

561
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,080
after school at the math
tutoring.

562
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,280
So that has a so you know, you
walking.

563
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,760
Around math tutoring.
I'm just saying, and this has

564
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,440
been 18 months, right?
He is still visiting her.

565
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,800
So he has gotten, you know, he
has gotten some AIDS on to him,

566
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,520
some maturity.
You know, he's becoming, he's

567
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,960
becoming an adult.
And he has that unfuck wit able

568
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,040
attitude like.
Right, because I've seen.

569
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,520
I've seen it.
You know what I'm saying?

570
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,040
I've seen it all.
I've seen it all.

571
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,600
Yeah.
Imagine you seeing someone twice

572
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,400
lift up in the air last time.
Liam's breaking blood coming out

573
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,200
her eyes like come on now,
that's a little too much.

574
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,640
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, ain't none of

575
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,160
these kids getting therapy.
None of none.

576
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,440
No, no, because all the
therapists probably left town

577
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,280
before they before the time,
right, because the one person

578
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,760
was going to therapy end up in
the coma in the hospital.

579
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,880
So we ain't going to that
therapist.

580
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,560
No, I'm sorry.
All her patients was dead.

581
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,520
Well, it was.
A It was a school counselor.

582
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,120
I don't care.
I'm just joking.

583
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,960
I don't care.
We're not going to the school

584
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:39,680
counselor for no referral.
No, so OK, all right, let's move

585
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:40,560
on to.
Somebody.

586
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,000
I really just wanted to say,
yeah, Lucas, Lucas looked like

587
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,080
he really was going to hurt
somebody when he walked there.

588
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,600
You know, I was waiting for it.
I was like, oh, they going they

589
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,480
going to bug up at Lucas and
it's going to be a fight.

590
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,920
They didn't even try.
Now.

591
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,560
Lucas got in his face and then
here comes like I was so

592
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:08,040
impressed by Lucas and Mike and
just it's almost like, look, we

593
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,360
have faced down Vecna.
You think we scared of you?

594
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,080
And, and just the, the, the, the
confidence that came out of both

595
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,960
of them.
When Mike said mouth breath, I

596
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,400
was like, oh that version of
mouth breather sounds so

597
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,800
different from when it came out
your mouth and season 1 like OK,

598
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,880
I can get down.
And the and the thing about with

599
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,639
Mike, he wasn't even involved.
He was just sitting in a piece

600
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:38,840
of taller, holding it 11's hand.
He didn't have to go through

601
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,400
anything.
Oh, last season.

602
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:45,360
I'm sorry he didn't, but OK, I I
digress.

603
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,400
I digress.
I digress.

604
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,320
He was in the buyer's house when
they got shot up and he did get.

605
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,400
Shot at So when?
When?

606
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,560
This season?
Last season.

607
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,120
Oh, yeah, The Call of Duty
episode.

608
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,880
Yeah.
That's what it makes me think

609
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:01,600
of.
Yeah.

610
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,960
You did see somebody die in the
van and and also.

611
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,960
The two agents in the house.
Right yeah, I'm saying and as he

612
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,320
you know died in alive but yeah,
OK, there's a little trauma

613
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,280
there yeah, I give him something
he.

614
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,480
Matured the movie, they all have
it and then not to mention your

615
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,880
girlfriend is the the main
person that these government

616
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,240
agencies everybody's trying to
get and.

617
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,920
I'm giving Mike a hard time
because honestly, I don't care

618
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,960
for Mike.
However, one of my things was

619
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,240
hopefully he starts redeeming
himself.

620
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,560
This he better.
Redeem himself.

621
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,720
From He just had to grow.
Up he had.

622
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,320
He was a bad friend, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, but but you know

623
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,520
what?
And and boy, Mike is but I'm.

624
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:54,800
But listen, he has.
Yeah, I like how he like how he

625
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,960
is with his sister.
Yeah, I like his art.

626
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,200
I think you've given him more of
a hard time than you said about

627
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,080
being a bad friend.
No, he he deserved it because he

628
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,400
was a bad friend.
But like I said, with this

629
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,880
season, what we've seen so far
in these 4 episodes, it seems

630
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,680
like they've all matured and
they are all being better

631
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,680
friends, not just each other,
but you get to see them interact

632
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,520
with other people like.
People and their grown up

633
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,640
versions of season 1 like when
you you were watching like an

634
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,480
episode of season 1 and they are
mature versions.

635
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,760
Right, but Mike wasn't great in
season 1, but OK.

636
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,640
No, he he actually.
He was before 11 showed up, so

637
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,640
yeah, he.
Was he really was.

638
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,480
Yeah, I know.
I'm not as.

639
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Huge.
I'm just joking.

640
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,320
I'm just joking, but I'm just
saying.

641
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,000
I do.
I'm liking how I'm liking how

642
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,680
they're presenting Mike right
now.

643
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,960
That's what I'm saying.
I'm I'm liking it.

644
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,840
Like how he's taking care of his
sister.

645
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,680
I'm liking him.
I'm I'm liking it.

646
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,080
However, you shouldn't have lied
to Hollywood and and told her

647
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:12,320
monsters don't exist.
Boy, and especially Hawkins, you

648
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,280
know at any time something can
just pop up of the ground but

649
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,560
didn't.
They come and didn't make any

650
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,880
sense to me.
I'm like, you would think that

651
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,360
that would be the person he he
was at least.

652
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,240
I know why because you got to
think about it.

653
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,520
What they went through was when
they were young, right?

654
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:32,920
Probably.
Is it the same age?

655
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,480
She is 12?
Yeah, 'cause they, they aged

656
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,920
Holly up.
She's supposed to be like she's

657
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,040
supposed to be 10 or 11.
So you got to think about it's

658
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:50,000
almost like how we say you kind
of shelter your kids from seeing

659
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,640
things that are adult to try to
wait till they're older.

660
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,800
So they've been through a lot
from a young.

661
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,520
So he's she's just trying, he's
trying to protect her as long as

662
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,120
he can.
Well, he says, next year we were

663
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,240
going to bring her into the D&D
club.

664
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,120
Right.
But even just with the monsters

665
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,480
and everything, it's a lot.
It can be a lot.

666
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,200
They've been dealing with this
for a long time.

667
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,440
Yeah.
You know, So he's trying to keep

668
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,120
her innocence.
I said all that thing he just

669
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,600
to.
Give him more credit.

670
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,720
No, I think he really, he really
is.

671
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,200
He's trying to like, keep her
innocent.

672
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,640
I do.
But this ain't the time.

673
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,240
Right, because here's the thing,
If she's telling you that her

674
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:37,520
imaginary friend is telling her
I'm trying to protect you

675
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,440
because there are monsters in
this town who want to take you,

676
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,280
Mike, you are familiar with such
monsters trying to take people

677
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,080
that you know, so maybe and and
I guess the other thing that

678
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,760
bothers me about this is because
Mike is generally a smart kid.

679
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,160
That whole group of kids is
they're very smart.

680
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,960
I mean, that's one of the ways
that we met them.

681
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,360
You know, they were all part of
the science club.

682
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,200
They are the geeks of the.
School.

683
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,840
Mike, you're involved in this.
Your sister has been involved in

684
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,240
this, your older sister.
What makes you think that if

685
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,160
Holly says, hey, this thing says
monsters are coming out after

686
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,840
me, I feel like he should have
thought a little bit harder

687
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,800
about that.
And to get it's, it's kind of

688
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,560
like going back to what Nancy
said about them.

689
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,840
Like we could have we could have
worn mom and dad.

690
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,840
Like I know that would have been
a weird conversation to have

691
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,240
with them, especially given
Karen and Ted's kind of hands

692
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,720
off.
Yeah, I agree they would they

693
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,000
would have paid any attention to
them, but OK.

694
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,640
They they wouldn't have put.
No.

695
00:39:54,120 --> 00:40:00,520
Holly, I think, I mean, she's a
little kid, yes, but kids, they

696
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,120
see a lot more than we give them
credit for.

697
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,840
And you can't tell me that Holly
doesn't know that weird things

698
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,840
have happened with her brother
and his friends after all the

699
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,160
stuff that they've witnessed,
you know, So it's like.

700
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,160
I I just feel like Mike probably
should have taken his time a

701
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,120
little.
Bit ask some questions.

702
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,120
This is almost like me and that
Outlander and that doggone

703
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,800
treasure box.
Ask questions.

704
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:31,040
One of the questions being well,
who talking to you?

705
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,000
Is it a girl with red hair?
Like who?

706
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,040
Who is it like, 'cause you
could, it could be, you know

707
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,760
what I'm saying?
It could be Max talking to her.

708
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,720
You don't, you know, things are
happening.

709
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,680
Somebody's warning her about
monsters.

710
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,800
There's some monsters.
So let me find out.

711
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,760
Let me inquire.
Who could this be?

712
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,280
Yeah.
However, it sounds like the girl

713
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,240
had imaginary friend for a long
time.

714
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:57,640
So then you know.
Well, no, it doesn't.

715
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,560
Not that she's had one for a
long time.

716
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,720
I think what Ted was saying was
she wouldn't be the first kid

717
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,880
her age to have an imaginary.
Right.

718
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,360
And and then she probably had,
you know, she did grow up

719
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,320
overnight though, so she
probably did have one a year

720
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,480
ago.
And it was Miss Sally.

721
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,280
No, it probably was Mr. Watson,
because.

722
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,080
I no, I'm just I'm joking as in
another name because we no, no,

723
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,960
no, we have a child who had just
had AI forgot what the name was

724
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,840
Mr. Watson.
Lily.

725
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,920
Lily was her imaginary friend,
so I'm just saying.

726
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,240
Has probably been planting that
seed for a minute while he's.

727
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,480
Well, before I'm saying before
him, she did, because most kids

728
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,360
do had imaginary friends,
especially when you're the

729
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,960
youngest and your siblings are
just gone, always gone.

730
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,840
You know what I'm saying?
When he wasn't gone, when Mike

731
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,040
wasn't gone, he was with his
friends in the basement.

732
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,400
And your older sister is a
teenage girl.

733
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,800
She's out and about.
So you had to play with

734
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,360
somebody.
I'm just saying.

735
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,360
So, yeah, but I'm trying to give
him.

736
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,440
He was trying to make make sure
that, you know, she kept her

737
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,920
innocence.
And you know, this is probably

738
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,000
another another imaginary
friend, so.

739
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,920
But he should have told her the
truth because when the truth

740
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:24,040
came for her, let me tell you
first and then first when first

741
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:31,160
we're looking at Ted and, and,
and why did why did her name

742
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,240
just Karen?
We're looking at Ted and Karen

743
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:39,880
going through their issues,
which they've never seemed like

744
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,240
a close couple or even a
compatible couple.

745
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,720
I mean, we kind of get that when
she gets ready to go take off

746
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,520
the go meet a teenage Billy for
rendezvous.

747
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,080
You kind of figure stuff ain't
going right there.

748
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:57,000
But she, you know, she pushed
through whatever, whatever.

749
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,760
But it's like now you've been
quarantined in the town for 18

750
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,720
months.
So literally you are stuck there

751
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,320
with the other person.
Not only that, now you have

752
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,400
additional people living in your
house because Joyce and her boys

753
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,600
cannot go back to Lenore,
California.

754
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,960
So they're stuck there.
I I'm guessing her house in

755
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,440
Hawkins either got probably got
sold, but also, why would I want

756
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,440
to go back there when I know
that that's a portal for the

757
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,480
upside down?
No, not going.

758
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,920
So you've got that stress and
then you got your two older kids

759
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,320
who are never home.
You got the youngest kid who is

760
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,080
now spacing off and talking to
people in the streets that

761
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,400
don't, you know, that don't
exist.

762
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:46,760
I was to the point where I was
like, I don't even know why the

763
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,960
parents are here because like,
really, what do they contribute

764
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,480
to the story aside from the fact
that we can look at them and be

765
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,160
like, oh, they're shitty
parents, but but.

766
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:04,560
They but.
I don't.

767
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,400
I wouldn't call them city.
I would say they're typical.

768
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,960
Yeah, that's what I would say.
I don't.

769
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,760
I don't.
They're not shitty because they

770
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:19,720
like encouraged their kids, but
they, they, they, they made

771
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,080
their home inviting.
Caring No I.

772
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,680
Mean they're typical of the
parents.

773
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,520
Right the time, but I'm just
saying and they made their house

774
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,400
inviting that everyone will come
over their house in the

775
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,680
neighborhood and and.
And that's all well and.

776
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,160
Good.
I'm just saying that is that is

777
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,440
the, that's the parents.
Over after incident of the

778
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,880
federal government coming to
look for your children when your

779
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:55,840
children are gone and on the run
for days on end like and, and

780
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,680
you again going back to the
whole thing with with dairy and

781
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:05,320
just 80s parents in general
because yes, we did have that

782
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,960
you know we had a little bit
more freedom with, you know,

783
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,800
going outside or whatever, but a
little.

784
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,320
Bit more.
But I know, like when I was that

785
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:22,040
age, here's my porch, there's
the end of the street.

786
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,960
That's as far as I could go.
If my mother couldn't see me

787
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,400
between Van and that end of the
street, I was in trouble.

788
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,200
Or if I was at somebody else's
house, somebody had to call.

789
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,800
But the, the, the amount I, I
don't know.

790
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,000
And it's also with everything
that's going on, you've.

791
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,640
Had right but but then they
check in like I just had to

792
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,080
check in.
So you check in and they did

793
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,000
check in.
When?

794
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,440
Because she will say they said
they would like every time

795
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,960
someone comes to the house
looking for them.

796
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,840
She was like they said they went
to the movies.

797
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,960
You see what I'm saying?
Even plenty of times they were

798
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,920
saying they were at someone
else's house when they were.

799
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,040
Gone.
Right.

800
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,000
And that's what you did because
it's like they couldn't call you

801
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,640
no matter what.
And if you said you.

802
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,000
No, no, no.
Because we had parents that

803
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,800
would go to the house and be
like, oh, are you here?

804
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,160
They don't do that here.
They don't do that at.

805
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,120
Hawkins Well, I didn't have that
a lot.

806
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,040
I'm sorry, I did.
When I was working, so if I said

807
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,840
I was at the next door
neighbor's house, but honestly,

808
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,040
I was at the next door neighbor
too.

809
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,920
This goes back to like being in
the 80s.

810
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,720
You grew up where Miami in the
80s, right?

811
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,440
You were in Milledgeville.
I was here in Atlanta.

812
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,400
We had the missing and murdered
children stuff going on up here.

813
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,920
So maybe it was a little bit
different, but I would go back

814
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,120
into this because you got
children who are being who are

815
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,160
missing.
You got children who are being

816
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,680
murdered.
You've got.

817
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,360
But what children have been
missing and murdered?

818
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,640
It's only been one Barb.
Barb, Chrissy.

819
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,080
Well, I mean last year but
Chrissy was because of the DND.

820
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,920
You know what, we we going to
get off this now, Eddie.

821
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,240
'S fault.
That's what I'm saying.

822
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,080
So they didn't think Eddie gone
so they just assumed that all

823
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,160
the the child murders are over,
you see.

824
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:22,240
And when no child murders, it
was 2 teenage girls, two teenage

825
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,520
girls.
This ain't dairy everyone that's

826
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,760
rewind we had wrong show you.
Forgot about.

827
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,600
Who?
Real disappeared.

828
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,000
The black boy, they've been in
the queue and then the the other

829
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,280
boy that was working.
With a lot of people are missing

830
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,560
from the ground opening up, See,
that's another thing.

831
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,440
See, that's the same with Season
2 about the mall fire.

832
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,400
There's a lot of people missing
there, but they adults and

833
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,880
children, they said they were in
the fire at the mall.

834
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,000
They know about the black boy.
We also know about the board

835
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,360
saying.
Because we are, they said it was

836
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:59,480
Eddie.
So if I know that Eddie is gone,

837
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,800
I am not looking for my kids
especially.

838
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,400
I ain't looking for them because
they can't go nowhere like we.

839
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,800
Are trapped.
I'm looking for them because the

840
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,040
military is there.
We know them, OK.

841
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,200
But the military got them
trapped because let's, let's

842
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,640
talk about this.
The military comes to your door

843
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,160
and pick your kid up.
I'm not letting my kid go on the

844
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,280
bus and go to no What?
They didn't have a choice.

845
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,360
No, I don't give a we going to.
They're going.

846
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:30,920
To take those kids.
Town let them take kids to

847
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,000
mills.
Why?

848
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,400
Again, I don't think the parents
had a choice.

849
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,880
I don't think.
They some of them didn't even

850
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,240
know they left.
They can't even say we're taking

851
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:43,760
your child.
Again and pay attention.

852
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,840
Some of them didn't pay
attention.

853
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,280
They didn't ask.
Our whole point of this was that

854
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,440
the parents don't be paying
attention in Hawkins, no?

855
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,760
They didn't ask because even
even even Lucas paired a paying

856
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:03,440
attention.
First of all, Erica be gone for

857
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,640
days.
Did.

858
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,120
You just glad she out the house
though.

859
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,080
You just glad she out the house.
Just say you glad she got but.

860
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,440
No, I was going to say, for the
most part, they knew where Erica

861
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,600
was.
Erica was always with Tina up

862
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,320
until.
Right, recently because her but

863
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:24,800
one time your child was locked
in a Russian underground vault

864
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:33,600
for 20. 4 hours, Tina's house.
It was after she was at the

865
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,800
house.
She was at the house, OK, but we

866
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,680
and Lucas was gone.
OK I'm sorry.

867
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,520
Sorry, everybody.
OK, so these parents, these

868
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,120
parents did not watch that
commercial.

869
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,160
Where are your kids at 10:00 PM?
Because they really.

870
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,400
Don't know what their kids are.
I will say this about Ted and

871
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,400
Karen for for whatever faults
they have as parents so that I

872
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,040
feel like they have as parents
when she hit the fan.

873
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,560
They both stepped up.
Yeah, they did.

874
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,200
They definitely did.
Because when when Holly goes,

875
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:09,840
when she went to Karen, first of
all, my whole thing was how the

876
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,000
hell do y'all not hear all this
racket and all this screaming

877
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,840
and everything that's going on?
Like it took it took the lights

878
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,080
blinking for Ted to be like,
what is going on?

879
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,320
You didn't hear the walls
tearing and the furniture being

880
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,360
thrown and your daughter
screaming at the top of her

881
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,080
lungs.
Karen, I can kind of understand

882
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,480
because she she's already kind
of, you know, 2 sheets to the

883
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,800
wind and she's listening to her
Fernando and she's listening to

884
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:45,240
her music so loud.
So I can kind of sort of see.

885
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,640
But Ted was outside.
He had none of that, none of

886
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,440
that noise interference.
He should have been able to hear

887
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,880
something, but it's OK.
He saw the lights when it's went

888
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,280
upstairs.
Holly went to a mother was

889
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,080
trying to tell him her mom was
like it was just a nightmare was

890
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,200
you have to feel the blood on
her head in order to realize

891
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,280
that your child is an active
trauma.

892
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,280
She is like terrified.
What?

893
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,840
OK, whatever it takes.
She got the memo.

894
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,840
Now I was looking at this scene
when the when the demo Gordon

895
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,120
came into the bathroom and they
were hiding in the tub.

896
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:30,720
I was like do those large tubs
come standard in homes back then

897
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,040
and why don't we have them now?
Because there is no way I could

898
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:40,720
have fit in that tub with a
child and been and been hidden

899
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,800
good.
There's no way I can't I can't

900
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,280
even sit on my side in my in my
regular tub.

901
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:56,560
It's just no, but OK, we in
there with the we in there with

902
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,680
the Avon skin so soft baby
bubble bath.

903
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:07,320
It worked, almost didn't, but
Ted came in right at the right

904
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,480
time.
And I love the fact that when he

905
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,880
sees Demi Gorgon, he doesn't do
the whole what is this?

906
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,440
He doesn't do the whole
disbelief.

907
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:24,880
He was like, I get back, like,
hey, so Ted gained some respect

908
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,600
for me probably for the first
time in five seasons during the

909
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,040
scene because he saw that thing.
He didn't ask no questions.

910
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,000
He didn't stand there dumb
struck.

911
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,200
He didn't stand in disbelief.
He was like, what we're not

912
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,520
going to do When the thing came
after he hit it with his, OK,

913
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,360
you know what, Ted?
You got a little bit of my

914
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,040
respect now.
The way that he knocked them

915
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,440
into the wall, I thought Ted was
dead.

916
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,720
I'm very surprised that both he
and Karen are still.

917
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:52,720
I was too, because I was.
I was like.

918
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,320
No, don't kill Karen.
But Karen went out like a boss

919
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,360
though.
Listen.

920
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,920
She pulled a Molly Weasley and
not my daughter you bitch cuz.

921
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,840
Right.
She took that wine bottle and

922
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,840
she was stabbing that thing.
I was like, OK, maybe they can

923
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,000
actually get away.
I don't know why I thought that.

924
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,000
I should have known better, but
she was giving it a, she was

925
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,040
giving it a good shot.
And I was like, OK, Ted and

926
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,080
Karen have kind of, they've
gained some respect in my eyes

927
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,200
because they they really did try
to save their daughter.

928
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:32,400
They did now what?
I can't even think of her name

929
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,520
right now about warning her
parents.

930
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,360
I don't know why I'm not
bringing Nancy, so I think it

931
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,400
would even matter if you warned
your parents or not.

932
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,320
You can warn them that something
is coming, but nothing can

933
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:52,200
compare can prepare you for that
especially.

934
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,160
If you haven't.
Seen it right and even them

935
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,640
talking about what you going to
walk around with shotguns like

936
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,720
Nancy?
No, so literally her mom could

937
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:05,120
had did the best that she could.
That's better than some other

938
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,760
parents could have.
Or people.

939
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,760
Because he's the.
Even the military couldn't even

940
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,080
make it no.
So you preparing your mom

941
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,920
wouldn't have changed anything.
If he wanted to come after them,

942
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,440
he was going to come after them.
Yeah, I I think what would have

943
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:28,440
happened if they had told the
parents, like Ted and Karen

944
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,280
might have been a little more
strict.

945
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,880
They might have, but that might
have extended to Mike and Nancy.

946
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,880
And then Mike and Nancy wouldn't
have been able to do what they

947
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,560
do.
Because let me tell you this

948
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,720
whole thing that they have going
with the crawl and the the

949
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:46,640
precision, which with that, with
which they have this plan down

950
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,840
to AT and how everybody has
their roles.

951
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:55,320
And I was like, I'm impressed
because again, I think this goes

952
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,200
back again to the whole maturity
thing with with the guys.

953
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:05,960
It's like now that the whole
town of Hawkins is affected, you

954
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,840
don't have time for the Kitty
shit anymore.

955
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,760
You don't have time for the
stupid little arguments.

956
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,640
Like you got the little fun
stuff.

957
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,800
Even though, yes, there, there's
some tension with some of them,

958
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:22,720
but it's not anything that is
really detrimental to the group.

959
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,720
The whole Dustin thing, yes,
he's dealing with his grief,

960
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,080
with his grief, but when they
call him like, hey, we need you

961
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,600
to do this, that and the other,
he's prepared.

962
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,160
He may not be quite as focused
as we're used to seeing him, but

963
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,680
he's prepared.
He was prepared to be at the

964
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,880
squawk that night.
He just happened to go to the

965
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,760
cemetery and he he basically
walked into an ambush.

966
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,040
But you know, that's what
happens when you antagonize

967
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,200
people, especially if they if
they paying attention to you and

968
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,600
they know your pattern, they
know you going to go clean

969
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,520
Eddie's grave up.
So, you know, but aside from

970
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,480
that, just the way that they all
operate, the way that they're

971
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,040
all like they're relying on each
other.

972
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,280
They they're they're short, you
know, they're shorthand when

973
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,720
they speak to each other.
The fact that Nancy is basically

974
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,680
in charge of the whole stuff
because Nancy was like OK the

975
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,160
trucks are going to be here at
such and such the which means I

976
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:24,400
want hopper block like OK Nancy
being in charge of everything

977
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,600
which.
You see, you see where Mike gets

978
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,480
it from.
Like Mike has that that same, he

979
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,600
has that same ability, too, to
take charge and and plan.

980
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,040
He's a planner.
He's a planner.

981
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,000
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, two years.

982
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,640
Ago even with D&D, we we saw
that, yeah.

983
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,760
So he he's, he's good with
strategy.

984
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,000
Yeah, he great.
And then Nancy has that same

985
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,840
thing.
Yeah, yeah.

986
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,400
Which which makes me, well, I
don't, I won't even say makes

987
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:04,080
me.
Which shows us why Holly is kind

988
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,760
of as level headed as she is,
because even.

989
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,160
Level headed weird.
No, no, no.

990
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,000
The reason why I'm saying that
is because once she's in Mr.

991
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,320
what's his house, what's taken
her?

992
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,000
They've had the conversation
when she, you know, he gives her

993
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,920
a specific instruction when he
leaves the house, he says, don't

994
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,000
go into the woods because a
monster lives there.

995
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,680
And she gets a note in the
mailbox telling her, hey, I'm in

996
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,280
trouble, I need you to come get
me.

997
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:36,280
And the path that is taking her
takes her straight to the woods.

998
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,040
So what does she do?
She sits there, she thinks about

999
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,960
it.
She analyzes the situation.

1000
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,200
She's already gone through Mr.
What's his house?

1001
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,200
So she knows that he used to be
a what is it a Boy Scout or a

1002
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,640
Cub Scout?
She knows he has certain things

1003
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,440
here.
And she literally starts

1004
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,680
playing.
I was like, oh, that's

1005
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,240
definitely Nancy and Mike's
sister.

1006
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,720
Because when she's in a
situation now where she has to

1007
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,840
kind of calculate the danger,
calculate what she's doing, she

1008
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,640
doesn't act like a little kid.
She really is like, OK, well, I

1009
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,080
need to do this.
I need to do this.

1010
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,680
I need to have this kind of
clothing on.

1011
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,800
I need to carry this.
Here's a weapon.

1012
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,800
Like she really has that same
mindset like her siblings does

1013
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,520
do.
It's just so, you know, just so

1014
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,280
happens that she's not.
So of course, if there's

1015
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,680
somebody who, you know, she sees
who is projecting himself to be

1016
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,480
friendly, somebody who's going
to help her.

1017
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,800
And again, she's seen what's
going on with her brother and

1018
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,800
her sister.
She may not fully comprehend it,

1019
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,200
but she knows what the shit goes
on in Hawkins and that her

1020
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,080
siblings are a part of that.
Right.

1021
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:46,960
You gave her a lot of credit.
Yeah.

1022
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,400
So when that guy's like, OK,
hey, there's monsters here, I'm

1023
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,440
going to come take care of you.
And then when a monster actually

1024
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,760
comes and tries to get her,
yeah, I would go with him too,

1025
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,520
because he's the one who's been
saying all this time, I'm a

1026
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,280
protect you, I'm going to help
you.

1027
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,920
Right, that just goes along
about how all these kids got

1028
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,000
kidnapped in the 80s.
Yeah.

1029
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,560
And all you have to say is see
your parents had to go to

1030
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,640
another place and they want you
to feel safe.

1031
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,520
So I have you.
And then they're going to come

1032
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,760
join us in a few days.
Come with me.

1033
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,160
And unfortunately, that's what
happened to a lot of kids back

1034
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,320
here.
Right, I'm just saying that does

1035
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,600
and and I'm saying that is
saying you giving her a lot of

1036
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,440
credit.
She's to me, she's act like a

1037
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,160
kid, She's acting like kids.
She was hesitant about going

1038
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,000
into the woods.
She still didn't follow damn

1039
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,920
directions.
Would you tell kids not getting

1040
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,880
the car with a stranger but they
still didn't hurt a stranger

1041
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,840
because they say something like
I know your parents.

1042
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,280
But I mean.
But it's starting to click once

1043
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,680
she actually has conversation
with Max.

1044
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,040
Because that you know is true.
Yeah.

1045
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,920
You know what happened to Max,
so it's kind of odd that she is

1046
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,640
in the same place as you.
And I'm so glad to see Max

1047
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:13,280
because I was like OK y'all I
understand Max is in a coma but

1048
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,520
I need Sadie sync on my screen
so I'm glad we got her back

1049
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,720
finally.
She looks mature and beautiful.

1050
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,440
She does, but she also looks
stressed.

1051
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,400
She like I'm tired of being in
this man's mind, right She's.

1052
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,760
Tired of being tired?
Yes.

1053
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,360
Listen and the things.
She's saying.

1054
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,680
What?
What did she say?

1055
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:42,840
That the only choices she had
was one option, one option, one

1056
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:47,120
was to kill herself, I'm sorry,
and allow herself.

1057
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,240
And two was escape or three was
accept.

1058
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,080
Yeah.
Then that say it and then it

1059
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:04,120
said that you see some things
and then you do actually see

1060
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:09,240
that Lucas is still coming to
your bedside playing running up

1061
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,720
that hill.
He should be really tired of

1062
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,080
that song by that time.
But however, however, I'm trying

1063
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,200
to save her life.
But that's and that she can feel

1064
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,120
his hand and everything.
That was so sad.

1065
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,360
And the fact that she almost,
she was almost almost there

1066
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,000
there for the damn cassette
tape.

1067
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,040
Don't y'all have CDs at this
point?

1068
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,880
It's not right?
Then.

1069
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,680
Then no, no, not.
Yet.

1070
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,360
Shut the head like it twice like
2 so you just pop it in.

1071
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,520
He need to have one of those
Maxell 90 minute cassettes and

1072
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,040
just just just put the song on a
loop.

1073
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,480
I mean, I know you look, it's
the 80s.

1074
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:55,600
I know he could sit right there
on the on the cassette tape, he

1075
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,200
can sit there with his hand on
the record button for when it

1076
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:02,600
plays on the radio just like we
used to do and just do that.

1077
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,360
But but again, Lucas is not
aware of what's going on with

1078
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,520
Max's mind.
So he doesn't know.

1079
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,640
He's just like, OK, I'm just
going to play the song and play

1080
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,720
the song.
Hopefully it'll it'll draw her

1081
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,560
back.
But but all I have to say is

1082
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,400
from seeing that you must know
when you get out of it.

1083
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,640
And you come out this coma, you
gonna have to marry the man.

1084
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:33,240
Well, damn, you gonna have to.
He he literally probably is the

1085
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:39,360
only one besides your Mama
coming to visit.

1086
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,160
And if she don't?
And talk to and read books too.

1087
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,400
And sing songs too.
And if she don't make it, I feel

1088
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,520
bad for his wife, his future
wife, his.

1089
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,040
She ain't never going to
measure.

1090
01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:00,360
Up No.
No, but you know this man been

1091
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:05,160
at your bedside.
Every day, every day.

1092
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,640
And I'm sure the other, I'm sure
the others go to visit her too,

1093
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,440
just like we saw.
No, we saw Will visiting her and

1094
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,160
to talk, talk about their plan,
about what they're going to try

1095
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:17,480
to do.
You know, he's trying to,

1096
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,840
they're still trying to keep her
in the loop, you know, even

1097
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:22,960
though they don't know if she
can hear, they don't know if

1098
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,600
she's aware of what's going on.
But, you know, it's nice to see

1099
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,480
them be like, OK, you know what?
She is still part of the group.

1100
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,480
Even if she can't participate,
even if she can't hear, at least

1101
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,560
she'll, you know, at some point,
maybe she'll know that she's

1102
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,160
still part of us.
I was going to say something

1103
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,560
really horrible.
I was like one person who's not

1104
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:49,360
visiting her but whatever will
visit because he just tell all

1105
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,720
his secrets to and talk to and
no one talks back.

1106
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,120
So he expressed his emotions.
Mike has no time.

1107
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,840
But that's me and Mike, you
know, I just don't get.

1108
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,160
No will.
OK, that was.

1109
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,720
It I had to get that one here.
He ain't going to visit her, OK?

1110
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,680
Will.
I don't think Will is going to

1111
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,840
let.
And 11 can't get into the

1112
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,840
hospital so.
Well, yeah, that she.

1113
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,920
Cannot, but I bet she still
tries to like search for stuff

1114
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,120
once in a while and see if.
I don't know 'cause she seems

1115
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,440
very singularly focused right
now.

1116
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,960
He is, but I think she still
tries, you know, after that Eggo

1117
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,400
waffle in Miami Vice reruns that
she may settle down and try.

1118
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,480
I don't know 'cause she trying
to go on these crawls with

1119
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,360
Hopper.
Right.

1120
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,040
And be her time.
He is not.

1121
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:50,120
You see, she's another one stuck
too, because he he's he has

1122
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,280
valid points of why.
Like we're going to need you

1123
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,040
when we actually find him, not
when we looking.

1124
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,560
Because at this point you come
in while we looking, we have

1125
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,000
someone, the military is looking
for you.

1126
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,720
But if but when it's time, you
need to be ready.

1127
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,880
Just be ready when it's time.
And if they capture her?

1128
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,800
You don't even.
Because the military, they got a

1129
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,160
base in the upside down now.
Right.

1130
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,680
Which is amazing to me.
Which is amazing to me.

1131
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,600
And why I'm not surprised, I
wouldn't be surprised in in this

1132
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,440
universe if they don't have
bases all over the place because

1133
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,640
this obviously this is not
something that they're new to

1134
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,960
doing.
This seems like something that

1135
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:39,520
they've already done before, the
way they have with the burn and

1136
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,760
the portal.
And how do they have the base

1137
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,080
set up?
It's almost like this is not the

1138
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,480
first time they've done this.
I I agree.

1139
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,680
I think the thing that kind of
surprises me is because even the

1140
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:59,040
world, OK, up until the the the
last episode, we didn't know

1141
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:04,880
where Vetna was, you know, and,
and the fact that I guess it was

1142
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,880
just that you don't know for
sure that Vetna is dead.

1143
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,160
So he could be anywhere still in
the Upside down.

1144
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,840
Not only that, the Demi Gorgons
could be in the upside down and

1145
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:21,120
you guys aren't exactly being
quiet about the fact that you're

1146
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,120
there.
You know, they actually have a

1147
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,680
monster.
I don't think it was a Demi

1148
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:31,240
Gorgon, but they have some kind
of monster in their lab that

1149
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:37,240
they're using to do whatever
they're they're testing and all

1150
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,160
this other stuff and.
I don't think they know the

1151
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,360
existence of vector.
They don't.

1152
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,280
They don't.
I don't think they had they,

1153
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,960
they don't know.
No, they don't.

1154
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,200
Who would they know that from?
They keep thinking, which they

1155
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,800
always thinking it's 1111 is
doing this.

1156
01:06:55,120 --> 01:07:00,440
Yeah, they think 11 it created
this and 11 is doing these

1157
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,520
things.
Remember, they don't know

1158
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,560
nothing about him.
And so the last season.

1159
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,160
And so when and so when they
were like, when they were like,

1160
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,880
oh, they have something there in
the base, I was like, it's it's

1161
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,240
not Victor because he can be
doing all this other stuff.

1162
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,920
It had to be something else or
someone else.

1163
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,480
And you know what?
I so I.

1164
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,520
Because the person who knows it
is dead, yes.

1165
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,440
And that that I think that's the
thing.

1166
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,960
I wasn't thinking about the fact
that because I was like, why

1167
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,600
wouldn't they know?
But I don't know.

1168
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,560
Also, I kind of feel like, I
don't know, there's something

1169
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:43,320
about Doctor Ki feel like she
knows more than she's letting

1170
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,440
on.
She think he does, but she.

1171
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,640
Doesn't know about Victor.
And see, this is what I was

1172
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,840
saying on we talked about the
friends on the panel.

1173
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,840
Same thing on on the ABC 11.
Right.

1174
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,080
So we this is the same thing or
she's like 11 or not 11.

1175
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,520
We really don't know, but we
need 11.

1176
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,840
Well, we were talking about with
the panel about Doctor Papa,

1177
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,280
Doctor Brenner, about him
working with someone else.

1178
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:15,600
So we do know that that that
happens because we know that the

1179
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:21,680
play for Shadow is Canon.
So this has occurred before.

1180
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,319
So I'm feeling like she's from
that section when it first

1181
01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,399
started happening because she
you'll be that age.

1182
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,439
However they are used, they know
a part about the Upside Down,

1183
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,600
but they don't know about VEGNA.
Only Doctor Brennan knows about

1184
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,960
VEGNA because he kept that to
himself.

1185
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,399
He just knew about.
It you.

1186
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,760
See what I'm saying?
Because that was in his lab, not

1187
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,160
when they were together.
And he was also kind of

1188
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,840
responsible.
For that whole thing.

1189
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,680
So yeah, yeah.
OK, you know, yeah.

1190
01:08:52,960 --> 01:09:00,040
And I think the thing that I was
maybe misremembering, not the

1191
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,640
fact that they have, that they
knew Vecna's existence.

1192
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:08,760
I'm still thinking about
Elevens, just kind of her how

1193
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,840
she was so sure it was Vecna
that they had because because of

1194
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,960
the weapon that they created
that basically kind of like her

1195
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,240
kryptonite.
She was thinking, she was like,

1196
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,399
it has to be Vecna.
It has to be Vecna.

1197
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:26,040
And I don't know where in the
process where I was watching it

1198
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,080
and I was like, I don't think
it's Vecna.

1199
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,920
And then I really started
thinking about Cali because I

1200
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,920
think the actress who plays
Cali, she came to the premiere.

1201
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,720
Yep, she was at the premiere and
I was like, they should be like,

1202
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,479
oh, definitely.
I said they're going to bring

1203
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,520
her back in some capacity for
the final season.

1204
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,040
I didn't think it was going to
be the way that they did this,

1205
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,840
how they have her captured and
they're using her powers, you

1206
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,000
know, to disable Elle.
But I'm like, now I want to

1207
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,120
know, how did you guys even get
to her?

1208
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,920
Like she was doing such a good
job of hiding herself.

1209
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,360
So it's kind of like.
Remember she had, she's like,

1210
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:07,640
yeah, she has her limits,
though.

1211
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,120
But do you?
But do you think because

1212
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,840
sometimes people will have the
illusion that they are OK?

1213
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:22,200
So they may have known where she
was and then just tracking her

1214
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:28,080
at some points.
But for her, but for hers and

1215
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,880
then for her, she's thinking, I
I've got away with this.

1216
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,560
But when they need you, they
need you, and they know when to

1217
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,320
grab you.
I would I would think it

1218
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,640
probably was when she and Elle
met back up.

1219
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:40,560
Right.
And then also eat.

1220
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,160
And also they, they could have
been studying and watching from

1221
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,520
afar and seeing what she's
doing.

1222
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,800
They don't care what happens
locally.

1223
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,880
Yeah, I don't care if you steal
from a pawn shop.

1224
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,240
Well, this is we got bigger fish
to fry here.

1225
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:57,000
So they could have been watching
her and what she could do, what

1226
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:01,520
she can't do to see how to
create things to, you know what

1227
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,320
I'm saying?
So where?

1228
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,200
They thought they could use her
against L.

1229
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,040
They might to find out
something.

1230
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,000
Or or whatever they about to do
'cause it.

1231
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,360
It's just it baffles me why
everything is her fault but I'm

1232
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:18,920
OK Who Callie's fault, no L's
fault.

1233
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,960
Well, it kind of.
Well, it's not really.

1234
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,720
It isn't.
It let, let, let.

1235
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,840
Let's start from the beginning.
It could be she is not her

1236
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,480
fault.
No.

1237
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:30,520
What?
What did she do?

1238
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,400
She didn't do nothing.
She didn't do nothing.

1239
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,360
The Upside Down was already
there.

1240
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,920
Everything that she did, she.
Opened the gate because.

1241
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:42,880
She didn't.
She pushed.

1242
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,560
She pushed Henry into the gate.
But who fault was that?

1243
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,720
Phil Henry.
'S fault was Henry being that

1244
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,760
way.
That oh, that's Brenner.

1245
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:53,880
Absolutely.
Brenner.

1246
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,560
OK.
The one that started out of

1247
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:56,560
this, Yeah.
Right.

1248
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,240
Yeah, because.
That.

1249
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,520
You're gonna go already at the
power.

1250
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:04,680
So he took advantage of a kid
slash teenager.

1251
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,440
I'm trying to close the pothole
there, teenager, kid slash

1252
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:11,400
teenager.
He took advantage of him and

1253
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:15,680
then use him to do what?
To make all these other kids and

1254
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,640
adults.
Yeah, yeah.

1255
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,240
So.
This is not our fault.

1256
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:25,440
She was a weapon that was used.
For those listening who didn't

1257
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:30,360
watch the play, yeah, Brenner
actually found Brennan, found

1258
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:36,920
Henry and used Henry's blood and
put in pregnant women, which is

1259
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,200
where it created that whole
generation I'll generation.

1260
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,920
That's the thing, I don't know
anything about the play except

1261
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,280
for the fact that is Henry's
kind of like his back story and

1262
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,040
I know that they're going to be
using some of that in this

1263
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,280
season.
But I and they said that it was

1264
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,880
and then they said it was Canon.
So all of that was Canon.

1265
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,120
Yeah.
Even if some about about the the

1266
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,480
parents.
Being the school.

1267
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:02,000
Together.
Yeah.

1268
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,920
Nance, not Nancy Joyce.
Yeah.

1269
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,520
Yeah.
Which they have hinted at in

1270
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,440
this first volume.
So I'm I'm sure we'll see more

1271
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:13,200
of that.
And probably in volume to

1272
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:18,840
because there's there's like
this, I guess a play going on.

1273
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,720
And you see in in Henry's
memories, Max and and Holly are

1274
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,720
in his memories and you kind of
see this.

1275
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:31,920
And I was like, yeah, this is
probably going to explain how

1276
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,520
all of them are connected
because you see Joyce, you see

1277
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,240
Hopper's name there, and I think
there were a couple of other.

1278
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:40,960
Names Bob.
Newbie.

1279
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:42,960
Yep.
Oh, so I wonder.

1280
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,520
I thought it was Sister's name
on there.

1281
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,920
What's his name?
See his name was on there I.

1282
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:51,040
Thought it was her name.
I thought she was in the play.

1283
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:55,000
Cool, I don't do freeze frames
so OK she was in the play too

1284
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,840
but it seems opposite too.
OK, OK.

1285
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,960
And then so not to give that
away so y'all can figure out.

1286
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,520
And then and also the reason
dealing with The Cave why he

1287
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,600
can't go in The Cave is in the
play.

1288
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,920
OK.
And I'm leaving that there, but

1289
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,160
that is the reason.
I was kind of curious about that

1290
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,920
because.
And they just Duff Brothers did

1291
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,000
say the because this cannon that
is the reason why he won't go

1292
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,520
into the caves.
OK, OK.

1293
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,200
Because I was wondering about
that because Max was like, this

1294
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:28,640
is the only safe place I have
because he was scared to come in

1295
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:29,600
here.
Yeah.

1296
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:33,120
It's like when you look at it
from Max's point of view, it's

1297
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:38,600
just open country, very
beautiful, very peaceful, very

1298
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:42,920
serene.
So it's kind of like what's in

1299
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,640
there that scares him.
Which again, I guess we'll we'll

1300
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,080
find out of volume. 2.
But yeah, all of that was very

1301
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:53,960
interesting about him because
because when you when we watched

1302
01:14:54,440 --> 01:15:00,720
Season 4 and Nancy and Robin
went to go talk to Victor Krill,

1303
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:07,360
Victor made it seem like all of
this stuff happened when Henry

1304
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:12,080
was a child, which, OK, if it
happened when he was a child,

1305
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,000
but he still, you know, maybe
under Doctor Brenner's

1306
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,640
guardianship or whatever, he
still ends up going to high

1307
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,400
school.
He still ends up doing some of

1308
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:26,240
the normal stuff.
It was like, OK, but it's just

1309
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:30,160
kind of interesting that I, I
don't know.

1310
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,840
And I guess I'll I'll have to
wait until we see those just

1311
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,600
kind of that that background of
his field in.

1312
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:39,920
I mean then this is not no
spoiler.

1313
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,280
Even though he talked, it did
happen when he was a kid and it

1314
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,440
was before the doctor and then
the doctor came to him.

1315
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,360
See, in my mind, not to say you
know what Henry is a sorry,

1316
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,480
Victor is an unreliable
narrator.

1317
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:56,720
So in his mind, Henry is a
little kid, but in reality he

1318
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,680
was probably much older.
A little older.

1319
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,560
Yeah, because that's what people
are trying to reconcile.

1320
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,720
They're trying to reconcile
Season 4, how he looked younger,

1321
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:11,320
however, he was in high school.
So but also it's how we present

1322
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,240
ourselves when we tell a story.
Yeah, that's you see what I'm

1323
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,480
saying?
I I think Victor was Victor is

1324
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:21,480
not a reliable narrator because
he's still looking at him as his

1325
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:23,400
child.
Right.

1326
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,960
Because those flashbacks were
from his perspective.

1327
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,920
Yeah, I didn't think about that.
And that's when you do, because

1328
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,960
sometimes when you think of your
key, you sometimes don't picture

1329
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,000
what's right in front of you.
You picture like a good average

1330
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,640
age.
And that's. 00 And then also

1331
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:45,920
he's not aware that that Henry
was the one that was doing all

1332
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,800
of that.
We find that out when Henry is

1333
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,560
talking to Elle, right?
Yeah.

1334
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,200
OK, Right.
Yeah, that's correct.

1335
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,600
But just how everyone had an
issue with the age.

1336
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,280
Yeah.
But I like what Anthony said.

1337
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:02,040
Like that's how his dad still
sees his family.

1338
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:03,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

1339
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:09,360
You know, just him a little
younger, probably the age where

1340
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:13,560
everything was simple and
innocent before it became crazy.

1341
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,360
But yeah.
Before it came, it was, yeah,

1342
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,600
OK.
I was gonna say another bad

1343
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,400
joke.
Like, you know, Erica's parents

1344
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,000
probably think of her when she
was little.

1345
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:25,320
But it was cute.
You know what now?

1346
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,680
She's a teenager and it ain't
funny.

1347
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,040
So since you bring her up, we
need to talk about Miss Erica

1348
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:34,800
Sinclair.
Because babe.

1349
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:42,600
Yeah, so I love Erica, but we
need to seek some counseling

1350
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:47,240
because she is so willing to
poison a family.

1351
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,360
It wasn't poison.
First of all.

1352
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:56,120
You drug to family now you drug
that's still you don't drug

1353
01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:58,400
nobody I.
Want to say this one thing?

1354
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:59,520
I just want to say this one
thing.

1355
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,800
She was she.
She was so into it that she

1356
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,320
brought the syringe as a backup
plan because she knew that girl

1357
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:08,920
was not going to eat her her
pie.

1358
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,640
Because she knew Tina.
Because she knew Tina and she

1359
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:18,360
was prepared for that outcome.
OK, right, it was ready, but she

1360
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,200
that's the problem and she did
seem upset about I'm just saying

1361
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,440
and I'm OK with it.
I'm OK with it.

1362
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,280
I'm just saying I wouldn't be a
husband and make her mad.

1363
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:34,600
I'm just saying no, definitely
not, but it's or she had kids.

1364
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:36,600
Don't mess with her kids, you.
Can't.

1365
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,080
Given the situation and what
they were dealing with, you

1366
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,200
can't be mad at her for being
prepared.

1367
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,880
No, I don't know, I'm mad.
It's just the, the, the slight

1368
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:52,840
enjoyment, OK, but and then the
thing.

1369
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,600
OK, so everyone come on now.
I need y'all to understand

1370
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:01,240
'cause I see a lot of complaints
about her friend Tina that Tina

1371
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,880
was white.
It's OK that Tina was white and

1372
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,760
the Republican.
They are from her Hawkins.

1373
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,880
Indiana in the 80s.
Andy, thank you.

1374
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:14,320
It wasn't that many Democrats in
the area, and it wasn't that

1375
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,080
many blacks.
Yes, she had a few black friends

1376
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:18,760
at the mall.
I don't know what happened to

1377
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:19,960
them.
OK.

1378
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,480
They probably died in the mall
fire like half the town did.

1379
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:26,600
They probably were.
On summer vacation when Hawkins

1380
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,200
split open, and they're probably
not in the time that's.

1381
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,600
True or no, they felt.
But even growing past before

1382
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,080
that happened, her friend has
been Tina.

1383
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:41,040
Tina has been talked about since
season 2.

1384
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,560
Yeah, because it was probably
one of those things like like

1385
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,880
with Lucas and Will, Lucas and
will have actually.

1386
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,560
Right, that's what I'm saying.
So.

1387
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:55,240
On Now and Then Tina and you see
Tina.

1388
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,320
Tina got the back and forth too.
Like like Lucas said, Tina is a

1389
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:03,040
villain.
That's Erica's type right there.

1390
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:07,360
Would not mess with those two.
I would not mess with those two

1391
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:08,720
you.
Say, is Tina evil?

1392
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,560
No.
She's a villain.

1393
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,560
Wow.
Which, again, is why Erica went

1394
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:21,160
there prepared.
And she knew she's like, I know

1395
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,320
she's not going to eat this pie.
I know she's not.

1396
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,320
Think about, think about the
scope of what they were about to

1397
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,480
do.
They're about to use this family

1398
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:35,080
to try to trap the Demogorgon
because they knew it was coming

1399
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,160
after Derry.
Yeah, they have to go through

1400
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:39,640
some extreme masks because
again, it's kind of like the

1401
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:41,960
whole thing when Nancy, oh, we
could have warned our parents.

1402
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,840
How are you going to walk up to
this boy's parents and be like,

1403
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:50,120
hey, so there's some monsters
associated with this whole split

1404
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,640
in the town and he's going to
come after your dipshit of a son

1405
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,320
and we want to actually help you
guys so that that doesn't

1406
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,440
happen.
Do you know how fast they're

1407
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:03,800
going to call Hawkins police?
Like, come get these crazy kids?

1408
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,800
And if you got the same two
people who are leading Hawkins

1409
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,680
police, because obviously nobody
knows Hopper is back right now.

1410
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:14,200
Hopper is still living in the
living in the.

1411
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:18,360
World now who paying the
mortgage and taxes on that it's

1412
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:19,200
paying.
For.

1413
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,080
It's paying for taxes.
Taxes.

1414
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,120
You still pay taxes, but OK,
it's neither here nor there.

1415
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:30,920
I'm sorry.
Yeah, but they, yeah, there

1416
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,680
really wasn't anything else for
her to do.

1417
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,160
She's like, OK, this is the
plan, this is what we have to

1418
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,720
do.
So we're going to have to knock

1419
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,480
them out.
And we got to make sure that

1420
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:43,480
this happens because I mean, the
stuff that they did to these

1421
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:49,360
folks, how if I was Tina's
parents when I came back to my

1422
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:50,440
house?
And that.

1423
01:21:50,440 --> 01:21:56,080
Wine, a hole in the floor, and
all of my wine.

1424
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,280
That we have collected all of
the wine.

1425
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,600
I will have a problem.
Yeah, yeah.

1426
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:11,720
Hey, I will not accept any more
Derek slander on this podcast

1427
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:16,360
because Derek is not I didn't an
asshole he was.

1428
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:21,720
No, Derek is just misunderstood.
No, Derek, it was a bully.

1429
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,400
He's highly.
Intelligent.

1430
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:28,440
He is and he he was a bully.
And I think he was just bored.

1431
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,160
But he didn't have to bully he I
don't.

1432
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:36,960
Think he was bullying?
Anybody you stop, he wasn't that

1433
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,440
playground.
He was, he was.

1434
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:42,680
Well, he then he was being in
that playground and she told him

1435
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,360
to stop and the kid said he.
Was a bullet.

1436
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:49,600
He got scared straight when he
saw the demagogue Grant, and he

1437
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,560
was like, oh shit, this shit is
real, right?

1438
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,240
Oh that, that was one of the
great lines when he was talking

1439
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:59,360
to the military people and he
was like, I seen the thing and

1440
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,640
y'all are not prepared.
Y'all can't do shit.

1441
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:03,920
But you know who else he's
scared of?

1442
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,400
He was scared of Erica.
Erica was like, come on, come

1443
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,360
on.
He's like, oh, forget that.

1444
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:10,800
I go.
I just climb up.

1445
01:23:11,480 --> 01:23:14,120
I'm good, 'cause you knocked out
a woman.

1446
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,720
You a man Wheel.
You had wheel rolling on the

1447
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,720
ground with you.
But then you saw Erica.

1448
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:24,440
You took off running.
Yeah, but no, I fell in love

1449
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:26,640
with Derek.
But let's be honest.

1450
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,760
Derek was a mean kid.
He was.

1451
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:31,600
But I understand what you're
saying.

1452
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:37,240
No one played with him.
So he just took it out and and

1453
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:41,160
you see how his sister is.
So that's just how he knows how

1454
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:45,200
to interact with people.
There's a difference between

1455
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,560
being a bully because he don't
seem like the kid.

1456
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,160
That would be like give me your
lunch money.

1457
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,040
That is not the only type of
bully.

1458
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:56,080
When your sister says mom and
dad says come to dinner and his

1459
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:01,920
response is they can bite me.
That's not being a bully, that's

1460
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,320
just.
But no, we're not.

1461
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:05,520
We're not talk about, but that's
what we're saying.

1462
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,600
Their interactions.
Look at his sister.

1463
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,840
So they do that at they house.
You know what I'm saying?

1464
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,200
So he doesn't know how to
interact with people.

1465
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:14,760
That's what I'm saying.
Other kids.

1466
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:19,120
So he wants to play with you, He
doesn't know how to, so he just

1467
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:24,400
spins the miracle round faster.
You know, thinking that's fun.

1468
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:26,520
Thinking that's funny?
That's not funny, but.

1469
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,520
It's not.
Funny because he was alone in

1470
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,040
the classroom.
Nobody want to deal with him.

1471
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,200
No one want to deal with Derry.
He got that smart ass mouth.

1472
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:38,520
If I'm just walking, I.
Agree but I'm just saying I I

1473
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,320
agree but I see where he he's
getting it from.

1474
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,720
He got a billing sister.
His parents is drinking a butt

1475
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,840
load of wine, so I don't think
they even realize they got two

1476
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:50,680
kids in the house.
And I say that because they got

1477
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:56,000
a gorgeous wine collection.
Karen would like to be invited

1478
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:03,360
over, but yeah, but, but look at
how the kids responded to him

1479
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,720
when he had to get the group
together.

1480
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,440
It was quite interesting that
they were listening to him.

1481
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,960
He was doing the meditation and
then hitting the mess out of

1482
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,680
their head to get their
attention.

1483
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:22,960
But they but he, he was, he led
them like he he had a purpose.

1484
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:27,600
That's all.
He needed, he did.

1485
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,120
I do I, I'm.
I feel so bad for Derek.

1486
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:33,000
I like Derek now.
Oh, I, I love him now.

1487
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,720
Like once he saw the light, I
was like, OK, I, I can get down

1488
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:41,560
with you, but I, you know, I.
I think he was always like that.

1489
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:43,800
He was building a molecule in
the class.

1490
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,920
He's very.
Smart, yeah, but Holly did say

1491
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:51,400
to Henry now he mean.
He I didn't say he wasn't mean.

1492
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:58,160
I don't think he was a bully.
Will agree to disagree on that.

1493
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,240
He may like Holly, so he just
didn't know how.

1494
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,360
No, we're not going.
No, we're not going.

1495
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:07,360
We're not going to start that
that that discourse that so I'm

1496
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:11,320
I'm AII like her, so I'm going
to hit no, we we.

1497
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,880
But honestly, though, looking at
how his sister is and how she

1498
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,920
responds to things, clearly
that's how that that dancer they

1499
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:20,280
got in their house though, and I
know, and that's that's the way

1500
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,720
because that must be acceptable
when he he can just hand it

1501
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,160
back.
I was best and in.

1502
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:28,680
The ages and anyway, you know.
Right, because even Erica got a

1503
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:35,120
flipped mouth.
Yeah, let let's be honest.

1504
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,480
If Derek is a bully, Eric is a
bully.

1505
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,800
Oh now we, we, I mean what is
the running joke right now?

1506
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,640
Send Erica to Derry Mane and she
will have Pennywise out of that

1507
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,920
town in 5 minutes you guys.
Don't mess with she don't have

1508
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:51,680
to be a bully, they just don't
mess with her.

1509
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,240
Nobody messing with her.
Yeah, there's a reason.

1510
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:56,640
Yeah, nobody messing with her
be.

1511
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,320
Bullied.
No, no, she doesn't have to be a

1512
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:00,280
bullet.
She don't have to.

1513
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,640
They literally just not going to
mess with her here.

1514
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:04,440
It is.
She don't take no shit.

1515
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,000
So if you and she tells the
truth so you just like you just

1516
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,880
back away not for herself beep
beep.

1517
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:14,240
Nah, she ain't standing up for
herself.

1518
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,880
I think she just tell people how
it is and you just be like you

1519
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:18,840
going to get your feelings hurt
so just back away.

1520
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:23,040
Beep, beep, beep.
With that too, but she stand up

1521
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,760
for herself.
Think about think about how she

1522
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,400
was with your head.
Bastard.

1523
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,640
Yes, exactly.
A grown adult.

1524
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,320
That OK?
Yeah.

1525
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:34,800
What did she say when they were
trying to tell her?

1526
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:39,600
We knew she was like y'all got
one minute 55 seconds and.

1527
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,200
She was so excited about the
wormhole, which must be very

1528
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:47,400
important for us.
I mean, she just likes being

1529
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:48,960
smart.
She was like, it's my favorite

1530
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,080
class.
And then when they were like, Oh

1531
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:55,880
well how how Holly's been
kidnapped by the Dement Gorgon

1532
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,960
and, and Vagner blah blah blah
blah blah.

1533
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,040
She was like, y'all should have
lived with that.

1534
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,320
I was like, yeah, why didn't
y'all, y'all know Erica don't

1535
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:09,040
deal with this no nonsense mess.
No, but seriously, the wormhole

1536
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:14,320
is important because they always
bring a lovely science teacher

1537
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:18,120
to explain something.
So now I'm like what?

1538
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:24,520
OK.
So I want to move on now to some

1539
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,960
of the other characters that we
haven't talked about yet.

1540
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:33,200
I was not expecting the
friendship with Robin and Will,

1541
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,720
but I am here for it.
Yeah, I was going to bring that

1542
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,080
up.
I love that partner.

1543
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:41,200
I I love every year that they do
partner people up with in

1544
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:46,200
different situations.
So I really enjoyed the Robin

1545
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:50,200
and Will.
Yeah, and I like Robin's dynamic

1546
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:56,560
anyway, because she, she's the
person who like she has smarts

1547
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,680
about her.
But you, that's not immediately

1548
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,600
what you noticed about her.
You just noticed that she's kind

1549
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:05,000
of, you know, she's very
talkative and she's very nervous

1550
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,880
and she's very, you know, she
gets flustered very easily.

1551
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:12,440
But you also noticed that she is
very loyal to her friends, that

1552
01:29:12,440 --> 01:29:18,360
she has a big heart.
And yeah, her, her conversations

1553
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:22,600
with Will in these first 4
episodes, just basically once

1554
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:30,160
Will accidentally discovers that
she's gay and the way that she

1555
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:34,160
pays attention to him and she
was like, oh, OK.

1556
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:39,720
Like she notices it about him
without it being said aloud.

1557
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:44,080
And the fact that she kind of
gives him his her, her little

1558
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:51,040
pep talk and just kind of helps
him to accept things about

1559
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:54,080
himself and also just to kind of
look at things in a different

1560
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:57,240
way.
I was like, this was not the,

1561
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,160
this was not the friendship I
was expecting, but I love it.

1562
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:06,200
I love that he actually now has
someone that he can talk to

1563
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,000
that's not within that immediate
circle.

1564
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:13,760
So he may feel more comfortable,
you know, talking about his

1565
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:18,040
feelings or or opening up to her
about things that he wouldn't

1566
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:19,840
necessarily with the rest of the
group.

1567
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,760
And I think that's that's very
important for him, especially in

1568
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,720
this first part with what
happens in in the last episode.

1569
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:31,360
It's kind of like, I don't know,
like him breathing, him being

1570
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:35,800
able to finally accept who he is
fully, you know, without any

1571
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:40,920
worries, without worrying about
what other people are going to

1572
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,240
think about him, without
worrying about the whole thing

1573
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:47,200
with Mike, you know, because,
OK, yes, obviously we all know

1574
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:53,320
he's in love with Mike.
But also I kind of wonder if

1575
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:57,240
that's really the case with him.
And I think Robin kind of

1576
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,000
touched up on that.
She's like, yeah, you know, the

1577
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:02,120
first, the first crushes that we
have, the people that we attach

1578
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:05,520
ourselves to.
You know, you kind of I think

1579
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,920
that even with regular
relationships that that's going

1580
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,200
to be kind of like the end all,
be all, like, oh, this is the

1581
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:11,480
person I'm going to love
forever.

1582
01:31:11,480 --> 01:31:13,160
And that might not necessarily
be true.

1583
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:18,200
That might just be the person
who is there for you to awaken

1584
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:21,880
those feelings or for you to
realize, oh, this is what I'm

1585
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:23,840
feeling.
You know, because I've seen a

1586
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:29,560
lot of people who speculate that
Will and Mike are going to end

1587
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,520
up together at the end of the
season.

1588
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:33,040
And I just don't think that's
going to happen.

1589
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:38,200
I don't think one, I don't think
I would want that 2.

1590
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:47,200
It just doesn't feel right.
It doesn't because it because

1591
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:53,840
honestly, Mike really loves
11:00 and 11:00 loves Mike.

1592
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:57,360
Yeah.
He does love Will, but as his

1593
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:02,400
friend, Yeah, it works out
better that Mike is Will's first

1594
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:07,400
crush, something that he had to
overcome to then find the love

1595
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:09,320
of his life.
Not Mike.

1596
01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:12,440
Yeah, I know 'cause I don't care
for my, I mean, I'm fine with

1597
01:32:12,440 --> 01:32:16,200
Mike, but not because it's Mike.
I'm just saying don't throw.

1598
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,400
Don't make a relationship that
don't need to be made into one.

1599
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:23,400
Yeah, yeah, that's his best
friend.

1600
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,480
But like I said it, he has a
crush on currently at this time

1601
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:32,600
because that's that.
But I mean, a lot of people do

1602
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,640
that.
They their crushes are their

1603
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,920
first best friend, especially a
best friend of the opposite sex

1604
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,760
for the most part.
But sometimes it can be for the

1605
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,560
same sex.
And it could just be, it could

1606
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:47,880
be that you're gay, or it could
just be that you're a kid and

1607
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:49,680
you're confused and you don't
know.

1608
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:56,400
But most of us don't end up
happily ever after with our

1609
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,360
first crushes.
That would be almost impossible,

1610
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,360
you know what I'm saying?
Like who?

1611
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,160
Who ends up with the person they
were crushing on at 5?

1612
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:08,160
No, nobody does that.
Nobody does that.

1613
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:16,200
So but I like the fact that Mike
is like the person that he feels

1614
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:21,360
that way towards because it's a
person he's comfortable with for

1615
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:27,960
the most part.
And I feel like once Mike finds

1616
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:32,400
out about Will, even if he finds
out that Will is in love with

1617
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:39,560
him, I don't think that he is
the type of person who would

1618
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,880
shun Will or who would make him
feel bad about it or make him

1619
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,360
feel awkward about it.
Especially after the

1620
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,480
conversation they had where, you
know, Will was talking about

1621
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:52,800
how, you know, basically they're
talking about Wills possibility

1622
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,960
of having his powers.
And Will is like, oh, so you're

1623
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:59,520
saying I'm like Beckman?
He was like, yeah, but there's

1624
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,560
nothing wrong with that because
you're the, you're the good

1625
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:03,960
part.
You're the, you're the sorcerer

1626
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,880
like that.
That's who you've always been

1627
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:11,720
for us.
You know, I just feel like once

1628
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:16,880
that comes out in the open and
everybody is cool with it, I

1629
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,040
think at that point we'll
realize, oh, OK, you know what?

1630
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:24,480
That was just my awakening.
This is not what I need to do.

1631
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:27,040
Cuz I think part of him does
kind of feel bad about that

1632
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,360
because 11 is like a sister to
him.

1633
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,760
And you basically are crushing
on your, your sister's, you

1634
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:36,720
know, boyfriend.
But I, I don't want him and

1635
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:40,200
might to, to end up together.
That would just seem very weird

1636
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:44,040
to me.
But I do hope that he is able to

1637
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:50,320
kind of be completely himself in
front of his friends and that be

1638
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,160
OK with them.
I mean, we know it's OK with

1639
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:56,200
Jonathan.
We know Steve would have no no

1640
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,040
problems with it.
Because I mean, when Steve found

1641
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:02,160
out about Robin, he was just
like, oh, and she was like,

1642
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,480
Steve say something because
she's thinking he's going to be

1643
01:35:05,480 --> 01:35:07,280
upset.
And Steve was like, but Tammy

1644
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:12,840
Thompson like really, you know,
so hopefully he hopefully will

1645
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:17,000
has that same experience.
But again, Robin, big part of

1646
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:27,880
that big part of him kind of
accepting who he is and the

1647
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,600
result of that that we get at
the end of episode 4.

1648
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:37,760
When I say I was I I really
think I need to start taping my

1649
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:46,000
reactions because I flipped out.
I flipped out just seeing will

1650
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:50,080
be be able to kind of tap into
his and I don't know if we want

1651
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:56,880
to call it his power.
Yeah, yeah, we know he didn't

1652
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:02,280
have it going into the side
down, but clearly the force diet

1653
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:05,680
that you had to be on for a
couple of days, right, This is

1654
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,760
what you have.
So yes, I was like definitely

1655
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,320
cheering.
I've watched that scene about

1656
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:14,320
several.
Times.

1657
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:21,200
Yeah, Like way too many times.
Yeah, I, I just, I just felt so

1658
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:26,880
I just felt fondly for him.
And I know even in real life he

1659
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,400
was like, oh, yes, finally for
my character too.

1660
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:33,040
Because, you know, again, he's
off to the side.

1661
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,000
He doesn't connect with
everyone, especially after

1662
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,560
being, you know, taken and then
not just taking the first time

1663
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:45,200
in the second season 2 being
evaded like that was a full on

1664
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:49,560
body assault, You know, of his
whole body and brain, like just

1665
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:54,560
always being the target and the
victim and being off to the side

1666
01:36:55,080 --> 01:37:01,320
and finally having finding your
power.

1667
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:04,880
And I absolutely like,
absolutely love it.

1668
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:10,000
Yeah, because I I would say I
was worried when they showed us,

1669
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:16,040
when they showed him looking
through the Demogorgon's eyes, I

1670
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:17,680
was worried.
I was like, are y'all going to

1671
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,640
tell us that Will is evil?
Like, are y'all going to tell us

1672
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,680
that he is a part of this?
I was like, I don't want that to

1673
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,880
be.
But the way that they're doing

1674
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:30,720
it with him being able to, I
guess Siphon is the best way to

1675
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,320
say it.
Like he can siphon Beckner's

1676
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,840
towers.
I guess that's part of the way.

1677
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:39,880
What?
What is he doing 'cause he's.

1678
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:45,080
He he has them.
He's plugging into the the hive

1679
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,600
mind.
But he well.

1680
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,800
This and and he's using the same
powers.

1681
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,000
But see, that's what I'm saying.
Is he like siphoning them?

1682
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:56,280
Because if he.
No, he's not.

1683
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,360
He's not siphoning them because
if he's.

1684
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,640
Not plugged in.
He doesn't have the abilities.

1685
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:02,440
Right.
But he's not siphoning him.

1686
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,200
He's not taking power away from
him.

1687
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:09,400
He's he's using the power.
Once he's plugged in he can use

1688
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:12,240
it, but he's not siphoning
anything from victim.

1689
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:16,800
OK, OK.
But it was fantastic.

1690
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:19,600
It was because the Demogorgans
don't.

1691
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:25,320
They don't have, they don't,
they don't think, they're not

1692
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,200
human, they don't have human
brains.

1693
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:32,680
So when he's played in, he
actually can think and use his

1694
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,840
mind, so he's able to use the
power too.

1695
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,560
So he's just plugged into the
same socket.

1696
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,760
They're plugged into the same
power strip.

1697
01:38:44,040 --> 01:38:47,880
OK.
Yeah, yeah, Either way it goes,

1698
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,480
it was cool because all of them
are getting attacked or about to

1699
01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:53,920
get attacked.
And you just see them kind of

1700
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:58,120
freak the Demogorgans freeze in
the air like they can't move,

1701
01:38:58,120 --> 01:38:59,760
like something is holding them
back.

1702
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,920
And then when you see this will
cause automatically you you

1703
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:07,920
think it's 11, like you think 11
has come to the rescue, right.

1704
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,120
Everybody else, the military is
dying.

1705
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,360
All the kids are being snatched
up.

1706
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,520
Whatever.
You really think that, oh, when

1707
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:18,120
this happens, this is 11 has
come out from the upside down.

1708
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:22,880
She's whatever when they showed
Will and he's already holding

1709
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,680
back the one that's trying to
get it, Mike.

1710
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:28,520
And then you have the other one
in a totally different location

1711
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:32,640
trying to go for Lucas.
He does the hand that one.

1712
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:36,240
Then you have another one in a
totally different location going

1713
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:41,240
after Robin and he puts his when
he put his head up and that

1714
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:43,080
demo, gorgeous.
I was like, you know what?

1715
01:39:43,760 --> 01:39:47,520
This is about to be some good
good.

1716
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:52,000
Yeah.
Cuz finally, like you said,

1717
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:57,800
finally Will has.
And I, I think even he was

1718
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:02,040
getting, I don't know if I want
to say tired, but he was just

1719
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:06,320
kind of like, oh, you know, I
think he was on Jimmy Fallon's

1720
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:09,640
show and he was talking about
when they got the script for the

1721
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,240
table.
And he was saying how he hadn't

1722
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,880
read it yet and people were
like, have you read it yet?

1723
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,600
He was like, no, it's just going
to be a bit more of a, you know,

1724
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:21,160
that kind of thing.
And then when they got to the

1725
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:24,120
table read, I don't know if
you've actually seen the video

1726
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,320
of them at the table read when
they're reading that particular

1727
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:31,600
scene like.
Yeah, when he what he knew

1728
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:35,520
before then when he said he when
he first read it, he was at home

1729
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:39,080
and with his roommate and he
shared it with her.

1730
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,840
But like, literally he was like
about naked, just jumping in the

1731
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:45,880
shower, Right.
So that's why I was saying when

1732
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,400
I said it earlier about even in
real life, he was like, OK,

1733
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,400
we're going to have the same
thing, me being a victim again,

1734
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:59,520
you know, but now him finding
power and being the one to

1735
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:01,240
honestly can save them.
Yeah.

1736
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,760
Who have saved them?
Because he just saved them.

1737
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:08,200
It doesn't all fall on I'll.
Right.

1738
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,640
And it's not all about everyone
trying to save Will.

1739
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,280
Yeah, that too.
That too SO.

1740
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:16,880
Because you got to, you got to
wonder.

1741
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:22,760
Elle has been doing this for,
for by herself for so long.

1742
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,640
What kind of toll is that taking
on her body?

1743
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:29,000
We already see, even with Will,
when he uses his abilities to

1744
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:32,040
kill the Demogorgons, he has the
Nosebleed.

1745
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:35,680
You know, we see Elle, she gets
that every time she uses her

1746
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:37,880
power.
What is that doing to her

1747
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:42,080
physically?
Because I'll be honest, Elle is

1748
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,120
one that I am worried is not
going to make it through the

1749
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,560
season.
You know, especially she and

1750
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,160
Mike are sitting up on the roof
and they're talking about what

1751
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:52,160
would happen once all of this is
open.

1752
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:53,520
They're talking about the
future.

1753
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:56,680
And Mike is like, yeah, you
know, usually in the stories,

1754
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:58,960
the people leave town because
too much has happened.

1755
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,120
She was like, do you think that
can happen for us?

1756
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:04,760
And he was like, yeah, I was
like, no, I.

1757
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:06,080
No.
And then?

1758
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,320
I don't think she's going to
make it through the season.

1759
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,200
And then I'm trying to use that
logical, OK, so if she dies,

1760
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,520
that's Hopper.
He loses another kid.

1761
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:16,120
Would they really do that to
him?

1762
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,160
Damn, he may be dead too.
So.

1763
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:20,880
Because because I, I'll be
honest.

1764
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:28,080
When when when he showed that
bomb when when 11 found mom and

1765
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:31,160
he was like, yeah, if if this
dude is in here, I'm going to go

1766
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,760
take care of him because I don't
want anything to happen to you.

1767
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,800
I'm I can't risk losing you when
you going to be gone.

1768
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:40,680
So what does it matter what?
Let.

1769
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:45,400
Let me tell you, I was sitting
there like, if they kill Hopper

1770
01:42:46,440 --> 01:42:49,920
in this first volume, I will be
so mad.

1771
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,600
Thankfully that didn't happen,
but I was just like, I'm not

1772
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:58,000
ready to lose anybody yet.
Now I have a feeling this, this

1773
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:01,080
second volume coming up, I have
a feeling we're going to lose

1774
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:07,160
somebody.
I just, I think if it's going to

1775
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:09,280
be L, it's going to be in the
last episode.

1776
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:10,200
It's going to be.
Oh, yeah.

1777
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:16,200
But I have a feeling we are
going to lose someone big in the

1778
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:18,680
next episode.
I mean, in the next volume.

1779
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:23,040
I don't know if that's Hopper.
I don't know if that's Joyce,

1780
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:26,600
because I kind of feel like
Joyce is on the chopping block

1781
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:28,320
as well.
I don't know.

1782
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:33,640
She had a she had a Wagner threw
her and he threw her so nice he

1783
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:35,280
she landed.
Gently I.

1784
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:39,640
Mean he, he destroyed.
He destroyed.

1785
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,160
I mean, Wagner knows, that's
what.

1786
01:43:41,480 --> 01:43:45,360
The army but but but her he
just.

1787
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:47,160
Well.
Blew.

1788
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:50,360
Her over, I kind of know why he
probably didn't kill her.

1789
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:55,320
If they use that, if they use
them knowing each other in the

1790
01:43:55,320 --> 01:44:00,560
past, could be, I don't know,
but she, you know, he wasn't

1791
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:03,880
really trying to hurt her.
So she landed so soft.

1792
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:06,440
She.
Might have been one of the only

1793
01:44:06,440 --> 01:44:09,560
people who was nice to him.
Probably so.

1794
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:16,280
So yeah, we will see.
I'm just happy that once we come

1795
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:21,400
out on Thursday, Christmas Day,
we don't have much more time for

1796
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:23,600
only one episode, right?
Right.

1797
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,960
I think all the kids are safe.
I think the young adults are not

1798
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,960
safe.
Nancy, Jonathan and Steve.

1799
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,280
And Robin.
And Robin, I don't think they're

1800
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:38,120
safe, but I think all the kids.
Are I don't even think Nancy

1801
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:41,960
will ever die.
I don't think Nancy will die.

1802
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:46,880
Because even Nancy in in
Nightmare on Elm Street dies so.

1803
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:51,080
She does and that's what she's
tailored out the but I don't

1804
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:53,560
think Nancy, I don't think
Nancy.

1805
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:55,760
And then it's not Jonathan
because they're going to put

1806
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,320
Nancy and Jonathan really,
really when she's supposed to

1807
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:02,480
choose her own person, but she's
going to choose Jonathan.

1808
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:05,800
And then, you know, it's, it's
really true, you know, Steve is.

1809
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,560
Going to save everyone.
I don't think Nancy is going to

1810
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:12,800
choose either one of them.
Oh no, she but like even in this

1811
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,800
seat volume, Steve ain't saying
he in in the running.

1812
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,960
He was like it's y'all too,
y'all need to get it together.

1813
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:23,240
But I don't think she's so.
He's not even trying to be

1814
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:26,000
chosen, but he's still going to
die because he's going to

1815
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,720
protect them all.
Well.

1816
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:32,400
OK, so I'm preparing myself for
my Christmas nightmare, OK?

1817
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:38,680
And I mean, Steve says that he,
you know, he tells Jonathan, you

1818
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:41,320
know, she's my friend.
And he emphasized friend.

1819
01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:44,680
But then later on, when they're
in the world, this was last

1820
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,720
season, I think it was when he
told her, you know, when I think

1821
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:51,040
about, you know, a missus
Harrington and all the kids, I

1822
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:55,000
still think of you.
I don't think he's out of the

1823
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,640
running or I don't think he
thinks of himself out of the

1824
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:00,760
running because I mean the
idiotic stuff that they pulled

1825
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,080
in the first episode.
I was like y'all are so

1826
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:07,360
childish, Like I would be glad
he is but either one of y'all.

1827
01:46:07,480 --> 01:46:10,160
Yeah, but he's still, he's being
very respectful of their

1828
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:14,120
relationship.
He is, but he really is.

1829
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:18,040
I don't, I don't think Steve,
Steve is is trying to hook up

1830
01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:20,680
with the next.
Girl, that's so competitive.

1831
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:23,120
But that's true too.
I don't even sometimes think

1832
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:25,640
he's nasty.
I think he's just competitive

1833
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:29,920
here and he got to prove himself
because Jonathan took his girl.

1834
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:33,840
Well, I mean, honestly, Jonathan
took his girl.

1835
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:35,320
Really did.
Mr. Steve, your.

1836
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:40,440
Girl, yeah, he did so.
Yeah, but I don't think Nancy's

1837
01:46:40,440 --> 01:46:42,720
going to end up with either one
of them in real.

1838
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:46,280
I hope she goes off and has a
beautiful future, yeah.

1839
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:52,240
But I think she's a little too
independent now at this point.

1840
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:56,320
And she's also she's way more
mature than those two guys.

1841
01:46:56,320 --> 01:47:00,360
Because even if Steve is like,
I'm not in the running, that's

1842
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:06,200
on y'all.
Jonathan is 1/2 insecure 2.

1843
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:11,120
Jonathan is not honest with her.
Like before, before all this

1844
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,280
stuff happened with Hawkins, he
didn't even tell her that he

1845
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:16,720
didn't apply to the school that
they were supposed to go to.

1846
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:21,360
Because, you know, he, he felt
like he needed to take care of

1847
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:25,560
his mom and his brother.
Which I think if he had told her

1848
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:27,960
that, she would have understood.
She probably would have tried to

1849
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,320
talk him out of it, but I think
she would have understood.

1850
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,200
And but and the fact that he
felt like he couldn't talk to

1851
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,920
her about that.
And then all of this stuff that

1852
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:40,040
they're going through now just.
Yeah, I I'm kind of like, I need

1853
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:43,640
Nancy to go off on her own and
like, you still be friends with

1854
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:47,560
both of the guys, but I just
think Nah.

1855
01:47:49,480 --> 01:47:52,160
But of course, if one of them
dies, it's not going to matter,

1856
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:54,400
so.
Yeah.

1857
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:59,360
But ma'am, weren't you supposed
to do like some bingo cards for

1858
01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:03,560
us for Stranger Things?
I wrote down my my thoughts and

1859
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:06,200
opinions.
I did a check check off.

1860
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,840
Yeah, but they were looking for
the from the panel was looking

1861
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:13,240
for you to have a bingo card.
No, I wasn't going to make the

1862
01:48:13,240 --> 01:48:14,920
bingo card.
That's what that's.

1863
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,960
What you're saying that's what.
You're saying y'all got to get

1864
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:19,160
your own bingo card and filled
it in?

1865
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:20,840
That ain't.
What?

1866
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:25,000
You're saying that meant that
you get you a bingo?

1867
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,280
Card not what you said, that's
what.

1868
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:29,240
What you think is going to
happen?

1869
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:30,760
And she said she was going to do
it.

1870
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,600
And you, yes, she did.
So I made my own.

1871
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,320
And then y'all, everybody bring
that card and see what you put

1872
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:38,160
everybody.
In that room thought you was

1873
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:42,280
going to post a bingo card.
Oh no, I'm so sorry, you know,

1874
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,960
but I needed y'all to write down
on your own bingo card, which I

1875
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:46,960
thought was going to happen.
We don't see what really

1876
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,680
happened.
So, so before it happened

1877
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:57,160
because I'm a cheat, Well, you
can't do it now because no one

1878
01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:57,960
has.
Died yet?

1879
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:01,680
No one has died yet.
So you could came close, but

1880
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,240
yeah, but you could really put
because we're in the final

1881
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:07,240
countdown now.
So this was just a let's tell

1882
01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:10,200
you where everything is.
Well, let's stand it up.

1883
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:17,520
Well, I had that Max was still
alive, running around in

1884
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:20,160
victim's head.
I said Max will be important,

1885
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:23,520
yeah.
Yeah, I had that and she was

1886
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:25,880
around his head.
How was she important?

1887
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:28,400
I think she's more important in
helping Holly.

1888
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:31,440
Who's really important?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1889
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,760
So.
What I did not have was Ted

1890
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:36,800
attacking the Demi Gordon with
the Golf Club.

1891
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,360
I don't think anybody.
Anybody had that on their Big O?

1892
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:41,640
Card nobody, but I will say this
too and.

1893
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:44,160
Karen with a broken bottle of
wine.

1894
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:46,000
Right.
I don't think Ted's going to

1895
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:50,000
make it though just because he
and Karen both got attacked.

1896
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:53,360
But notice the kids.
Their focus is all on mom.

1897
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:57,720
So either Taylor's going to die
or he.

1898
01:49:57,760 --> 01:49:59,400
Don't know nothing about Holly
and Hook.

1899
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,040
Imaginary friend, Yes.
He does.

1900
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:06,800
Though he don't.
I mean only as far as.

1901
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:10,600
Only as far as.
She has one right, but who knows

1902
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:14,120
the details of this man Mom
does.

1903
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:17,120
Yeah.
Because she they know that they

1904
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:20,080
talked to Mom, they ain't
talking to Dad.

1905
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:23,080
He knows nothing.
Yeah, 'cause you don't really

1906
01:50:23,080 --> 01:50:26,360
see them have any kind of
conversation, especially a deep

1907
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:30,240
conversation with Ted.
But we have seen it with at at

1908
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:37,840
least Karen and Nancy, you know.
But yeah, I so I think, I think

1909
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:39,640
Ted.
Is yeah, and that's the and then

1910
01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:43,120
why they running around, you
know, she been with her baby

1911
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:45,880
most that's her baby.
So she know what's happening to

1912
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:50,720
her baby.
Things that I did not couldn't

1913
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:55,840
fit Phantom that how would they
fix the earth opening up?

1914
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,080
I couldn't figure out how they
will fix that.

1915
01:50:58,200 --> 01:51:00,160
I don't know 'cause that metal
Band-Aid ain't it.

1916
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:01,840
I was.
Gonna say it ain't really fix

1917
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:04,320
it.
But like, how would we move on

1918
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,120
in this story?
Like I didn't know how would the

1919
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:11,080
town look would it just have
this big old opening like how

1920
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:14,120
what would happen?
I like what they did with the

1921
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:20,960
metal Band-Aid now them making
everyone stay in town because I

1922
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:24,840
was wondering why people didn't
leave because you can't now.

1923
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:28,560
This should be called
kidnapping, however.

1924
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:32,240
They've been quarantined.
OK.

1925
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:36,040
That's what we want to call it.
That's what they're calling it.

1926
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:40,120
I mean, some people made it out
of town before they quarantined

1927
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,560
and some people are coming back
because, I mean, Murray is

1928
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:47,560
coming in as like delivery
because you still got to let

1929
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:49,200
people in.
You got to get food, you got to

1930
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:50,760
get supplies.
You can't just.

1931
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:53,760
Quarantine a town off and then
just.

1932
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:56,600
Yeah, but only the suppliers are
coming in You.

1933
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:58,640
It's not like your parents
coming to visit you.

1934
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:01,360
Yeah, that's true.
If they live in another in

1935
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:05,880
another state, you out of luck.
Yeah, they are not letting

1936
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:07,680
anybody leave.
That's why it's OK for them to

1937
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:10,360
pull up in your driveway with
the school bus and collect your

1938
01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:12,520
child.
Something's not right.

1939
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:16,200
You didn't sign off for this.
But if they men with guns, you

1940
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:17,440
do what they say.
But.

1941
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:21,720
I'm trying to tell you they
didn't ask, they told you.

1942
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:25,160
Give me your child.
But you know.

1943
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:28,400
And you're already quarantined.
What?

1944
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,560
What are you going to do?
Who you going to complain to?

1945
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:34,280
Nobody's.
Listening, it's like think

1946
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:35,880
about, think.
About all the concessions

1947
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,160
they've already had to make.
It's been 18 months.

1948
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:39,680
Right.
So.

1949
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:46,320
And, you know, like Holly going
to a strange man's house and

1950
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:50,720
staying, well, I mean, they
don't know that that's what's

1951
01:52:50,720 --> 01:52:52,600
happening.
They think she's been kidnapped

1952
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:56,360
by No, I'm talking about Holly.
We are talking about.

1953
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:57,600
Holly.
No, I'm talking about Holly

1954
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:00,800
herself.
You were a strange man warned.

1955
01:53:01,080 --> 01:53:03,720
Her about the monster coming in
the monster action show up.

1956
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:10,480
I understand, but it's still
it's still it's still creepy.

1957
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:13,320
OK, It is in the street,
nothing.

1958
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:15,200
And he has all your favorite
things.

1959
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:17,520
I know we talked about that, but
I'm just saying these are some

1960
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:22,320
things I just couldn't possibly.
Yeah, it is creepy, but again,

1961
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,800
this is the only person she can
trust right now because even

1962
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:27,120
your brother told you monsters
don't exist.

1963
01:53:27,480 --> 01:53:29,720
Right.
So yeah, so I.

1964
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:34,640
But at least when she's shown
the truth, the, when she's told

1965
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:38,680
the truth, she, you know, she
didn't do the little typical

1966
01:53:38,680 --> 01:53:42,440
little kid thing like, oh, no,
you're, you're not telling the

1967
01:53:42,440 --> 01:53:44,680
truth.
But this is a lie because that's

1968
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:46,000
my friend.
She didn't do that.

1969
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,440
She listened and she was like,
oh, OK, you're making a lot of

1970
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:50,960
sense.
So what do we do?

1971
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:55,600
You.
Know yeah, but I had noise on

1972
01:53:55,600 --> 01:54:00,000
there.
I had, I did have that Missus

1973
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:05,120
Wheeler was important.
And she was, yeah, she was

1974
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:08,760
important because she gave the
information about, oh, I'm

1975
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:11,440
sorry, she's still alive.
But she was important in this

1976
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:18,600
volume because she helped Mike
and Nancy find out that Mister,

1977
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:20,360
what's it is?
Henry.

1978
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,480
So I can check that off my list.
I had it as she.

1979
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:26,400
She was important. #1 double O
one.

1980
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:32,840
I was just like, and I will say
this too, I I like that Jamie

1981
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:37,080
Campbell Bauer is getting his
flowers now because I have felt

1982
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:40,480
for a very long time that he has
been very underrated as an

1983
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:42,880
actor.
He is phenomenal in everything

1984
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,240
he does.
So the fact that he is getting

1985
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:48,840
all this love for all the the
different things he's doing with

1986
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:51,080
this show, I'm, I'm very happy
about that.

1987
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:54,840
Oh, you'll be happy.
The other day he showed up at

1988
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:56,280
you saw he showed up in the
back.

1989
01:54:56,360 --> 01:54:58,840
I have, I have played every
single clip.

1990
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:00,920
I've shared it on my Facebook
page.

1991
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:05,600
I yes, I was like people are so
should I have not been there?

1992
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:08,200
But that would have been so
amazing because you're watching

1993
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:09,880
it because you're like, yeah,
you know.

1994
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:12,200
And then he turns around and
you're like, what?

1995
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:15,040
You just like, wait, what?
What is that?

1996
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:16,560
What?
Yeah.

1997
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:20,640
I would have freaked out.
I would have freaked out, but

1998
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:28,240
oh, OK, so upside down we got to
talk about this wall of

1999
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:34,000
membranes.
I was like, did y'all steal this

2000
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,400
from Game of Thrones?
Because that's what it looks

2001
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:40,360
like.
It looks like the wall and it's

2002
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:44,360
just it's growing and it's got
stuff in it and.

2003
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:52,600
Well, I do think it's cool
they've the that Dustin worked

2004
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:57,560
out that that the research lab
is in the center.

2005
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,280
That research lab, let me tell
you.

2006
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:05,400
Yeah, and that bacon is probably
at the research.

2007
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,800
Level and he is protecting
himself against these weirdos

2008
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:14,120
who decided to put the whole
military compound in my area.

2009
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:18,920
It's interesting that he chose
to attack the convoy 'cause I

2010
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:21,000
don't think he's ever attacked
the convoy.

2011
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:23,200
No, no, no, no.
He didn't choose so I told you

2012
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:28,120
why they were on.
He was on his way to the house.

2013
01:56:28,280 --> 01:56:29,040
They.
Accident.

2014
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:32,640
They crossed his path, right?
Yeah, that's right.

2015
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:35,800
That's right.
It just happened 'cause they

2016
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:38,360
were in the way like we're and
they start shooting at me.

2017
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:41,920
I have AI, have a mission.
I was on my way over there.

2018
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:46,240
But my whole thing is the whole
thing with the military being in

2019
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:52,800
the Upside Down, like the hubris
for you to plant roots in this

2020
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:56,520
other dimension.
Did you not see General K?

2021
01:56:57,720 --> 01:57:00,880
Yes.
She is 90% hubris.

2022
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:04,280
She worse than Brenner.
Brenner.

2023
01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:08,440
She's 90% hubris.
She is, that is.

2024
01:57:08,440 --> 01:57:13,720
Her whole aura is hubris.
Listen, I mean and I.

2025
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:17,040
Liza Hamilton is amazing, but
she played that character to AT

2026
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:20,200
to.
AT to AT you call.

2027
01:57:21,480 --> 01:57:25,120
Brindles bad.
Yeah, I think Doctor K is going

2028
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:27,720
to be way worse.
And the way that she was using

2029
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:33,040
like the, I don't even know what
you want to call it is because

2030
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:35,920
it's not the Demogorgon, the
shadow monster, whatever that

2031
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:40,120
thing was, the way that she was
controlling it with the heat and

2032
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,200
the cold and almost killing
Hopper.

2033
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:46,400
I was just like, this, this
bitch crazy, this bitch be crazy

2034
01:57:46,520 --> 01:57:50,080
like.
And she's just, she's talking

2035
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:52,360
about it and she's talking to
him.

2036
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:56,960
So calm, like, Oh yeah, so we do
this and it just, you know, it

2037
01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:00,640
just might strangle you a little
bit, but you're just going to do

2038
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:04,480
this and you're going to.
She was so calm with it.

2039
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:10,720
And I was like, she has
familiarity with this beast.

2040
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:12,560
She's been there since
beginning.

2041
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:17,520
She has to, she has to have been
part of that program because

2042
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:23,360
also, how would you know how to
how to get Cali and to use her

2043
01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:27,760
powers to disable 11?
You have to have some insider

2044
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:29,920
knowledge.
That's what I was saying.

2045
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:32,440
And apparently, like, he ain't
by himself.

2046
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:35,680
It's always two people working
together and they split off

2047
01:58:35,680 --> 01:58:37,360
'cause they decided something
different.

2048
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:41,320
She may be crazier than him.
And he was like, I ain't doing

2049
01:58:41,320 --> 01:58:43,720
that.
Yeah, because her.

2050
01:58:43,800 --> 01:58:46,920
You saw what he did.
So Doctor Brenner was like, I, I

2051
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:48,800
can't, I can't work with her.
I can't.

2052
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,200
I feel like they work together.
I can't fool with her.

2053
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:55,160
And how much experimentation do
you think she did on the Cali to

2054
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:57,080
figure out how to create that
device?

2055
01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:59,840
A lot, Yeah, a lot.
A lot.

2056
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:03,160
And see, she doesn't have any
ties to the kids.

2057
01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:08,920
Whereas Brenner, Brenner kind of
built himself up in this father

2058
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:11,840
image to them.
He built a bond with them.

2059
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:15,880
So even when he was doing the
horrible things, he still had a

2060
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:19,640
little bit of a personal stake.
You saw that at the end with him

2061
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:22,720
in 11 when he was trying to get
her to forgive him because he

2062
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,120
was like, I was just trying to
help you.

2063
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:28,920
I was only doing this for you,
yeah, But you, you, you went

2064
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:31,000
about it in a really, really
shitty way.

2065
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:32,080
Yeah, 'cause then I'm like,
what?

2066
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:33,720
Well, what really did he do
wrong?

2067
01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:42,680
What's the joke?
How long he was kids?

2068
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:46,160
Sorry.
The only thing I'm like, well,

2069
01:59:46,160 --> 01:59:50,400
maybe he did not do Henry that
wrong 'cause Henry was a tad bit

2070
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:55,280
dangerous.
He was dangerous.

2071
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:59,280
However, no one knows that part,
so just going by he just was

2072
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,040
dangerous.
He had to implant.

2073
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,440
Even going by the show, he was
killing little animals.

2074
02:00:07,240 --> 02:00:10,440
He's dangerous.
So I said do that bad with him.

2075
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:13,040
He he stopped him from using his
power.

2076
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:14,880
I'm saying that part.
Yeah.

2077
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:18,480
I just said experiment on on
women in the in in while they're

2078
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:21,960
pregnant and then taking their
babies and telling the babies

2079
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:23,320
that they're.
Torturing them.

2080
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:25,840
Right.
I'm agreeing with you on that.

2081
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:28,840
I'm just saying with Henry, he
didn't do so bad trying to help

2082
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:32,080
out the situation because he
knew he was dangerous.

2083
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:35,700
Anytime you take those kinds of
measures to try to quote UN

2084
02:00:35,700 --> 02:00:37,080
quote help a situation you
always.

2085
02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:38,440
Just make it worse and never
fail.

2086
02:00:38,440 --> 02:00:42,320
Right, He was just going to be
crazy so.

2087
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:45,640
Yeah.
But he was killing small

2088
02:00:45,680 --> 02:00:47,240
animals.
That that doctor.

2089
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:51,160
First of all, he killed his Mama
from try to kill his and kill

2090
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:54,800
his sister and then try to kill
his dad, right so.

2091
02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:58,480
Because my whole thing was OK,
if you are, if you're going by

2092
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:04,080
the, the reasoning that Henry
and and double O one has given

2093
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:07,640
to like 11 for why he's doing
the things he's doing.

2094
02:01:07,640 --> 02:01:11,800
He's basically he wants to quote
UN quote cleanse the world.

2095
02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:15,080
He wants to get rid of all the
bad people because the bad

2096
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:18,000
people doing the bad things are
blah, blah, blah.

2097
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:25,200
So I can, I can understand given
his father's history, like what

2098
02:01:25,200 --> 02:01:28,800
his dad did, I can understand
how from a child's point of view

2099
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:31,800
like that probably didn't know
that he did what he did.

2100
02:01:31,800 --> 02:01:34,720
Because I think the thing was
that he was supposed to be, he

2101
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:39,160
was supposed to be firing one on
the enemy and ended up killing

2102
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:41,680
an innocent woman and her child
or something like that.

2103
02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:44,640
I think that's what it was.
That could have been an accident

2104
02:01:44,760 --> 02:01:48,880
if he had done it on purpose
different, but that was probably

2105
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:52,480
an accident.
But to his child's mind, he's

2106
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:55,640
not looking at it as this is an
accident.

2107
02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:58,720
He's looking like you killed
these people and you didn't take

2108
02:01:58,720 --> 02:02:01,600
accountability for you weren't
punished for it.

2109
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:04,000
You just came back and started
living your life.

2110
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:06,880
So I can understand how that
could be something that might

2111
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:09,400
have grieve him.
But what did your mom do?

2112
02:02:09,720 --> 02:02:13,480
What did your sister do?
Like your sister was just all

2113
02:02:13,480 --> 02:02:17,280
she was was happy about the new
house skipping up and down the

2114
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:19,520
stairs and playing and minding
her business.

2115
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:22,840
It really was his sister because
I think he's saying about his

2116
02:02:22,840 --> 02:02:25,560
mom.
I can't remember.

2117
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:31,080
She was thinking something.
I think only that she she

2118
02:02:31,080 --> 02:02:33,600
thought something was different
about him.

2119
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:35,280
Or she was taking him to the
doctor.

2120
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:38,400
Doctor.
Brown she was.

2121
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:43,080
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because the way that they

2122
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:45,240
treated certain things back
then, yeah.

2123
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:48,080
He probably like, oh, OK, yeah.
Oh, yeah, I I hear what you

2124
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:50,960
thinking.
OK, but not his sister.

2125
02:02:51,640 --> 02:02:54,120
She's playing with the Barbies,
sleeping alone.

2126
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:57,040
She's just minding her business
skipping up and down the stairs,

2127
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,880
so you know.
She would have been traumatized

2128
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:02,680
from what she saw.
You didn't have to do nothing

2129
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:05,960
else.
Yeah, so.

2130
02:03:07,560 --> 02:03:11,360
Or maybe in his mind he maybe in
his mind he killed her so that

2131
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:14,520
she wouldn't become one of those
people who did such and such.

2132
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:18,320
Which again, presents a problem
because now you are making

2133
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:22,480
decisions and doing things based
on what people could do.

2134
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:27,720
You know, you're not giving them
a, a chance to actually grow up,

2135
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:31,760
make choices, you know, make the
right choice.

2136
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:34,840
Because his sister could have
grown up to be a great person,

2137
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:37,800
but he didn't give her that
chance.

2138
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:44,480
But yeah, his whole thing, like
what he's planning on doing with

2139
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:51,360
the kids, Yeah, it, it, it comes
off very creepy.

2140
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:57,320
And it's like from his point of
view, again, from, from his

2141
02:03:57,320 --> 02:04:04,000
warped way of thinking, he's
trying to fix the world and the

2142
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:06,160
kids are going to be the way for
him to do it.

2143
02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:11,360
But do you're not you're not
doing much better telling the

2144
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:13,800
kids, Oh yeah, we're going to
get your friends 1st and then

2145
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:15,120
we're going to get your
families.

2146
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:18,800
How you going to do that when
two of them in the hospital

2147
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:26,280
because of what your things did?
Like, yeah, it it's, it's just

2148
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:34,080
it's not going to work out the
way that he wants it to work

2149
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,000
out.
And I'm just like, especially

2150
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:39,080
with with the kids that he got
that whole thing with them

2151
02:04:39,560 --> 02:04:43,600
getting the kids into the tunnel
and, you know, like that whole

2152
02:04:43,600 --> 02:04:46,280
plan.
I was just like how?

2153
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:49,720
How were y'all even?
Able to pull this off, but it

2154
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:52,320
was actually a good plan.
It was.

2155
02:04:52,520 --> 02:04:57,480
It was, but that until Lucas got
a too little bit excited.

2156
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:01,760
Well, I mean.
Yeah, it was the what was it was

2157
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:04,360
the leak, the leak in the Pike?
Yeah.

2158
02:05:04,400 --> 02:05:08,160
That pretty much caused everyone
to go towards the bathroom

2159
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:11,280
because if not, that was they
were solid.

2160
02:05:11,880 --> 02:05:14,880
I mean, not with VEGNA, no, it
wouldn't work with VEGNA, but

2161
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:17,320
they were solid.
With the military, though, that

2162
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:19,520
was a good plan.
And that's the other thing

2163
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:22,640
because y'all didn't notice how
these kids getting up, going to

2164
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:24,280
the bathroom and not coming out
Like who?

2165
02:05:24,360 --> 02:05:27,680
It was 1 teacher come on.
And they're not paying me

2166
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:30,520
overtime for this, so I'm it.
Was more than one teacher.

2167
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:34,400
I'm just joking.
We were sitting in the corner

2168
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:37,960
talking.
I mean, but the military, the

2169
02:05:37,960 --> 02:05:40,040
military is supposed to be a
little more diligent.

2170
02:05:40,040 --> 02:05:43,080
Like y'all are supposed to be
protecting those kids.

2171
02:05:43,080 --> 02:05:45,320
Yeah, but they're supposed to be
taking them on the outside.

2172
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:46,880
Really.
The teachers were supposed to be

2173
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:50,280
monitoring and you know what?
This is off hours, so I don't

2174
02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:51,680
know what y'all want me to
monitor.

2175
02:05:53,320 --> 02:05:56,960
They went into the bathroom, you
know, and they're over there

2176
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,720
with, you know, with the
meditation group.

2177
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:03,280
We just assumed they were going.
The bathroom.

2178
02:06:03,960 --> 02:06:08,080
And coming back to sit with his
group, yeah, we're just happy

2179
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:10,400
that they were quiet over there.
That group was quiet.

2180
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:13,760
They were.
They were, but.

2181
02:06:14,840 --> 02:06:18,240
But it it, it was a good, it was
a good plan.

2182
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:23,960
Yeah.
It just didn't matter where they

2183
02:06:23,960 --> 02:06:28,280
popped up.
He if they could have got them a

2184
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:30,680
little bit sooner, they could
have been out of town.

2185
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:36,360
Yeah, it was the words but and
eventually got the glow up in

2186
02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:40,400
this season.
He been taking that Ozempic.

2187
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:46,000
He burned half his body away.
And shot at him.

2188
02:06:46,160 --> 02:06:48,800
That's true.
So, I mean, he's done.

2189
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,080
But he he he has.
He's looking good.

2190
02:06:52,760 --> 02:06:56,360
Yeah.
Looking deadly, right?

2191
02:06:56,680 --> 02:06:59,280
Very deadly when you, you
putting your fingers through

2192
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:01,040
people's heads.
Yeah, that was a lot.

2193
02:07:01,200 --> 02:07:03,280
That was a lot.
I'm just saying.

2194
02:07:03,960 --> 02:07:06,640
Listen, I was like, you didn't
even have to do all that.

2195
02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:11,480
You really did.
But a glow up too was Mike

2196
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:15,040
leading the children away from
danger and making sure that they

2197
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:17,800
didn't really pay attention to
people being shot and killed in

2198
02:07:17,800 --> 02:07:18,360
front of them.
And.

2199
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:21,960
He's like eyes on me.
Yeah, so I enjoyed that part.

2200
02:07:22,440 --> 02:07:25,840
Yeah.
And the kids wait for me.

2201
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:29,480
I'm thinking when you scream
wait for me, you need to keep

2202
02:07:29,480 --> 02:07:32,000
up.
Like, do you not see these

2203
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:34,920
monsters that's going?
Around and the military is

2204
02:07:34,920 --> 02:07:37,440
shooting and stuff.
Nah I'm not a wait for you.

2205
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:41,160
Keep up.
Yeah, but I mean, and all of

2206
02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:43,560
them were, all of them were,
were doing great.

2207
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:47,480
You know, Robin Murray and Joyce
had some of the kids because,

2208
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:49,800
you know, they all got separated
once they got caught.

2209
02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:54,760
Lucas had a couple of the kids.
Now, unfortunately, Vecna has

2210
02:07:54,760 --> 02:07:59,040
all the children now, but he
doesn't have his Demogorgons, or

2211
02:07:59,120 --> 02:08:02,240
at least he doesn't have, you
know, those three.

2212
02:08:03,400 --> 02:08:06,800
I don't know how many he has
now, but it's again, it's just

2213
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:11,400
kind of interesting.
It's very weird to me that the

2214
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:18,360
military has that outpost in the
Upside Down and the Demogorgans

2215
02:08:18,360 --> 02:08:23,480
have been silent up until now.
That's that seems very weird to

2216
02:08:23,480 --> 02:08:27,880
me but.
Victor has Victor has a long

2217
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:32,200
term goal like he had they've
they've basically done

2218
02:08:32,200 --> 02:08:37,560
everything he needed them to do.
He needed them to to sense of

2219
02:08:37,560 --> 02:08:39,920
threat and put all the kids in
one place.

2220
02:08:40,040 --> 02:08:45,600
Yeah, yeah, they.
They, they kind of missed, well,

2221
02:08:45,600 --> 02:08:48,000
they, the kids kind of missed
their form because they kind of

2222
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:51,760
spread some of them out.
But he was able to recover.

2223
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:54,720
But they did exactly what he
needed them to do.

2224
02:08:55,080 --> 02:09:01,200
And then he was done because he
sent them back to kill Robin,

2225
02:09:03,200 --> 02:09:06,400
Lucas and Mike.
Like I'm tired of these

2226
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:08,440
children.
Yeah.

2227
02:09:08,640 --> 02:09:10,600
Yeah, I'm in the Indigo right
now.

2228
02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:14,280
The whole disrespectful thing
about it was he sent the

2229
02:09:14,280 --> 02:09:20,120
Demogorgans to kill them.
He had Will in his grasp and he

2230
02:09:20,120 --> 02:09:23,640
just basically was like, you
started all of this because you

2231
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:26,240
showed me the children are weak
and I can control them.

2232
02:09:26,240 --> 02:09:29,480
So thank you for that and just
left him there.

2233
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:33,200
Why but do?
You still say we, we I still got

2234
02:09:33,200 --> 02:09:39,560
use for you or something.
But you know, to him will.

2235
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:43,200
Will is not the threat, though.
Right, he can he's going to use

2236
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:46,160
will when he wants to use Will.
So that's why he's not going to

2237
02:09:46,160 --> 02:09:48,080
kill.
He you're not going to kill your

2238
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:51,120
pet, your little child, you're
not going to kill.

2239
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:55,480
But he backed burn, but that was
told it was.

2240
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:58,480
It was told disrespect, like you
just picked him up, talked to

2241
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:00,800
him and just like I'm done.
Yeah, just.

2242
02:10:01,160 --> 02:10:03,880
Basically and.
Walk the dog and you showed me

2243
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:08,080
that children are weak and yeah.
I've been using you this whole

2244
02:10:08,080 --> 02:10:09,600
entire time.
Thank you I.

2245
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:13,120
Was like, that was so
disrespectful.

2246
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:15,560
And I know Will was probably
like, you know what?

2247
02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:19,000
I've been holding the back of my
hand, the back of my head for

2248
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:22,640
the last four years for nothing.
Yeah, I was so peaceful in

2249
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:24,840
California to come back to this
shit.

2250
02:10:25,160 --> 02:10:28,760
Right.
But, but I mean, if he had

2251
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:30,800
stayed in California and all
this stuff would have happened,

2252
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,520
he would have felt guilty.
Yeah, but yeah.

2253
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:36,640
He would not reach his true
potential.

2254
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:40,000
Nope.
And that sure, that potential

2255
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,640
boy changed his whole tired
look.

2256
02:10:41,640 --> 02:10:44,080
I was like, that's why we're
looking good.

2257
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:51,960
Very confident, right looking,
looking strong like.

2258
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:55,960
That that haircut was different
because it was all wet and WAVY.

2259
02:10:57,040 --> 02:10:59,800
And when he did this, I was
like, oh.

2260
02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:03,880
Will and the look on his face I
was like oh excuse me OK so I

2261
02:11:03,880 --> 02:11:07,480
said volume to don't have him
looking like no victim again.

2262
02:11:07,480 --> 02:11:13,360
Please no, I'm looking strong.
I think this was this was Will's

2263
02:11:13,640 --> 02:11:16,000
Lucas and Mike glow up.
This was his.

2264
02:11:16,440 --> 02:11:19,480
You'd better lay your hands off
dust and oh, you're the mouth

2265
02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:20,840
breather.
This was his.

2266
02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:27,080
Moment for that.
So now, now it's just Dustin's

2267
02:11:27,080 --> 02:11:29,600
turn.
But Dustin, let me tell you,

2268
02:11:29,640 --> 02:11:34,320
when Dustin took that damn drill
to Steve's car, I was like, OK,

2269
02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:39,840
this is when Dustin going back.
This is when Dustin's going to

2270
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:43,880
die.
But yeah, I mean, now it's

2271
02:11:44,640 --> 02:11:50,600
Dustin is literally the only one
who needs to have his his his

2272
02:11:50,600 --> 02:11:55,040
glow up moment.
Yeah, you know, he's and and it

2273
02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:57,760
could be that.
OK.

2274
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:00,000
Hey, you got to do this for
Eddie.

2275
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:03,160
You got to do this to make sure
that, you know, the truth about

2276
02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:07,200
Eddie comes out so that he can
rest in peace, so you can have

2277
02:12:07,200 --> 02:12:09,280
your peace, blah, blah, blah.
OK.

2278
02:12:09,280 --> 02:12:12,840
I needed to come in the second
volume because kind of like what

2279
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:17,200
Lucas said to Max's at, you
know, at Max's bedside, we all

2280
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:19,600
have to be together in order to
get this done.

2281
02:12:20,200 --> 02:12:23,440
So Dustin got to get on it.
He got to get that glove up, and

2282
02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:27,760
I'm going to need Max to get
out, which I know one of the

2283
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:32,400
episodes for Volume 2 is Escape,
Escape from Camazot.

2284
02:12:33,240 --> 02:12:37,200
So somebody's coming out.
I don't know if it's going to be

2285
02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:39,880
her or Holly.
I'm hoping that it's Max.

2286
02:12:40,160 --> 02:12:47,360
I'm hoping that it's Max too.
I'm hoping that it's Max Holly

2287
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:50,040
may end up getting left behind
because she may be the one to

2288
02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:54,120
convince the other kids that hey
this is what we need to do, you

2289
02:12:54,120 --> 02:12:56,240
need to come here.
Like she may be able to rescue

2290
02:12:56,240 --> 02:13:01,960
the other kids like Max rescued
her and then they able to give

2291
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:06,920
Beck the hell.
I mean all I got to say is the

2292
02:13:06,920 --> 02:13:10,440
second episode is on.
Holly is just having just an

2293
02:13:10,440 --> 02:13:12,480
awesome time at the Playhouse
here.

2294
02:13:12,760 --> 02:13:17,240
This is creepy.
This cuz it be a creeper and she

2295
02:13:17,240 --> 02:13:20,720
over here baking cakes.
She's 9, dancing.

2296
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:23,440
We're we're looking at this from
grown up I.

2297
02:13:23,480 --> 02:13:26,600
I know and back in the day with
everything was innocent.

2298
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:30,120
You are absolutely right.
You know, you go with the

2299
02:13:30,120 --> 02:13:34,000
stranger, you exploring their
house and you find, you know,

2300
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:36,560
things made out of skin.
See, you don't do that.

2301
02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:40,520
You snooping in things you just
you don't.

2302
02:13:41,080 --> 02:13:43,320
She has dresses.
She made her some chocolate

2303
02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:46,120
cake.
Watching television, I mean.

2304
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:50,440
It's it's interesting you saying
something about her helping the

2305
02:13:50,440 --> 02:13:56,120
other kids because her D&D
character that that Mike has for

2306
02:13:56,120 --> 02:13:59,160
her.
Holly the heroic makes portals.

2307
02:14:00,840 --> 02:14:04,200
So maybe that you might be on
the something there.

2308
02:14:05,080 --> 02:14:07,320
Yeah, like, kind of like what
Michelle says.

2309
02:14:07,320 --> 02:14:11,280
They don't tell us certain
details without it, you know,

2310
02:14:11,320 --> 02:14:16,560
being important later on.
So I don't know, maybe that has

2311
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:18,320
to do with that whole wormhole
thing too.

2312
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:19,760
I don't know.
I don't know.

2313
02:14:20,520 --> 02:14:25,160
And especially since she's
reading a wrinkle in TIE and all

2314
02:14:25,160 --> 02:14:32,440
of that is about making portals
and saving kids and saving

2315
02:14:32,440 --> 02:14:34,000
universe so.
Yeah.

2316
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:37,920
Yeah, it makes me want to go
back and watch the movie.

2317
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:39,840
I'm not reading the book but
can't.

2318
02:14:39,880 --> 02:14:43,160
Book The book is.
I meant by Christmas Day.

2319
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:46,640
Seriously, I can watch the movie
maybe by Christmas Day, but not

2320
02:14:46,760 --> 02:14:48,920
read the book by Christmas Day.
It's probably.

2321
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:51,000
That big it's.
Not that big.

2322
02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:54,880
OK again.
You, you know.

2323
02:14:55,120 --> 02:14:57,040
What, you watch the movie while
I'm like you?

2324
02:14:57,040 --> 02:15:01,280
Have to read the whole.
Working in yeah I I'm trying to

2325
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:06,920
get something in to assist in
watching volume to gotcha.

2326
02:15:07,480 --> 02:15:11,360
I don't have time.
For that look, I'm like you feel

2327
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:13,440
like that, then you'll.
Read it and tell me what?

2328
02:15:13,480 --> 02:15:15,040
Happened.
I've read I was just, I was

2329
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:17,560
like, I might need to go to
Goodwill and see if I can find a

2330
02:15:17,560 --> 02:15:19,120
copy I.
Read it.

2331
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:22,840
I'm not reading it again.
I don't even.

2332
02:15:23,560 --> 02:15:26,400
I may have read an elementary
school, I don't even remember.

2333
02:15:27,720 --> 02:15:30,240
I didn't, but I saw the movie
OK.

2334
02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:35,040
I know I didn't see the movie so
but yeah.

2335
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:45,920
But we got 3 episodes coming on
Christmas Day at 8:00 eight.

2336
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:50,920
O'clock.
And then the finale is on New

2337
02:15:50,920 --> 02:15:55,840
Year's Eve, also at 8:00, It's
called The Right Side Up.

2338
02:15:55,880 --> 02:15:59,360
That one is actually 2 hours and
5 minutes.

2339
02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:01,840
And we are going to see that in
the movie theater.

2340
02:16:01,840 --> 02:16:06,520
And I'm excited, but I'm also
sad because that means it'll be

2341
02:16:06,520 --> 02:16:09,400
over.
Like we're starting 2026 with No

2342
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:12,560
Stranger Things.
Period now.

2343
02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:16,120
But I'm OK with that because
it's over and then I have

2344
02:16:16,120 --> 02:16:18,280
something I can watch from
beginning to end.

2345
02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:20,240
Yeah.
And it's I mean.

2346
02:16:20,280 --> 02:16:23,200
You have books.
And and it and, but it's also

2347
02:16:23,200 --> 02:16:27,320
complete because they, the
Duffel brothers, care about this

2348
02:16:27,320 --> 02:16:31,800
and they put in the work and
it's complete.

2349
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:35,360
Yeah, and sometimes you can't
say that for a lot of things.

2350
02:16:35,559 --> 02:16:38,240
That's true.
I'm hoping we don't have a Game

2351
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:40,200
of Thrones situation.
I don't think so.

2352
02:16:40,200 --> 02:16:43,240
Because they're staying true to
what they feel the story should

2353
02:16:43,240 --> 02:16:47,080
be and not because it needs to
end or it's too much money and

2354
02:16:47,080 --> 02:16:51,240
this and this and this from HBO.
So because it's not HBO, so this

2355
02:16:51,480 --> 02:16:53,440
is theirs.
It's not like they're waiting

2356
02:16:53,440 --> 02:16:57,360
for an author to finish what
they're, you know, this is a,

2357
02:16:57,600 --> 02:17:00,719
this is something where they had
to, because I've been watching

2358
02:17:00,719 --> 02:17:04,520
their interviews where when they
first went to Netflix, they had

2359
02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:08,799
to explain what the upside down
was, but they couldn't give it

2360
02:17:08,799 --> 02:17:12,200
away.
But they had like 15 pages of

2361
02:17:12,200 --> 02:17:15,440
information just so that they
can be aware.

2362
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:18,840
So you, you, you really thought
about this.

2363
02:17:19,360 --> 02:17:23,680
Yes, you may have thought that
they thought they wanted many

2364
02:17:23,680 --> 02:17:26,080
seasons, but they wasn't sure
about season.

2365
02:17:26,360 --> 02:17:28,639
It'll be season 1.
I know people are like, well,

2366
02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:32,639
you know nothing about VEGNA,
but they knew about the big bad,

2367
02:17:33,160 --> 02:17:36,719
which we don't.
We don't, you know, until next

2368
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:38,879
week.
Yeah, I was going to say VEGNA

2369
02:17:38,959 --> 02:17:40,559
is not the big bad.
Right.

2370
02:17:40,559 --> 02:17:44,440
So we can say he was, he was a
part of the story.

2371
02:17:44,920 --> 02:17:48,719
But, you know, and there's some
things that they're closing up,

2372
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:50,840
like they bought, they're
bringing Cali back.

2373
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:53,680
They want to close that up.
They going to tell us who opened

2374
02:17:53,680 --> 02:17:56,480
that door when Will was being
chased?

2375
02:17:56,680 --> 02:17:58,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

2376
02:17:59,160 --> 02:18:02,360
So that's that's what I would
like.

2377
02:18:02,840 --> 02:18:06,400
Give me some clothes.
You give me a good wrap it up in

2378
02:18:06,400 --> 02:18:12,120
a nice, pretty neat little bowl.
'Cause I know this can't go on

2379
02:18:12,520 --> 02:18:17,200
like they are adults.
And if it does go on, how sad is

2380
02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:22,200
that for their life that they're
totally in the trauma response,

2381
02:18:22,200 --> 02:18:24,600
like they haven't had a rest
time.

2382
02:18:25,080 --> 02:18:29,600
So once this is over, maybe, you
know, people be dead, but they

2383
02:18:29,600 --> 02:18:31,639
can get they can stop.
It's over.

2384
02:18:32,320 --> 02:18:34,559
They're not waiting for
something else to keep happening

2385
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:37,480
to them.
Yeah, unless we get something 10

2386
02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:40,680
years down the road where it
starts affecting their children.

2387
02:18:41,520 --> 02:18:43,320
Well, that would be a quite
great story.

2388
02:18:43,440 --> 02:18:46,000
But her Nancy was gonna might
get a spin off.

2389
02:18:46,840 --> 02:18:49,959
Her spin off is a book.
OK, Yeah.

2390
02:18:49,959 --> 02:18:52,760
That, you know, they have.
They have Stranger Things novels

2391
02:18:52,760 --> 02:18:57,719
and there's a Nancy novel coming
out sometime early next year.

2392
02:18:59,040 --> 02:19:01,080
So yeah.
But you know how the media, they

2393
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:03,840
spend things and it's like, oh,
she's got a spin off.

2394
02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:05,440
I was like, they're not doing a
show.

2395
02:19:05,600 --> 02:19:07,799
They're not.
Yeah, no, it's a book.

2396
02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:11,000
Yeah, because I think they do.
They're doing something.

2397
02:19:11,080 --> 02:19:13,639
They're doing something else.
Yeah.

2398
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:20,480
But is there anything else in
volume one that we did not touch

2399
02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:22,719
on?
I mean, there was a, there was a

2400
02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:26,200
lot that happened.
Well, I I just wanted to mention

2401
02:19:26,959 --> 02:19:32,360
Popper and Elle's assault on the
base, which I thought was kind

2402
02:19:32,360 --> 02:19:33,520
of cool.
Yeah.

2403
02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:38,320
She told him she could do it,
and she did.

2404
02:19:39,440 --> 02:19:42,040
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, he knew she could do

2405
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:43,920
it, but he was trying to
protect.

2406
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:46,480
Her timing was off a little bit,
but you know, you just never

2407
02:19:46,480 --> 02:19:49,480
know until you there you got to
be put in the situation.

2408
02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:53,160
Yeah, flying over, you know, the
bus and stuff like that and.

2409
02:19:53,360 --> 02:19:57,040
And doing pumpkin heads is not
the real thing, but I mean but.

2410
02:19:57,280 --> 02:20:00,000
He because he saw you can see,
you see her potential.

2411
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:04,160
Yeah, you can.
But he that last run, he told

2412
02:20:04,160 --> 02:20:06,240
Joyce, Joyce was like, did she
clear it?

2413
02:20:06,480 --> 02:20:08,960
And he was like with a second to
spare.

2414
02:20:09,400 --> 02:20:11,440
So he knew it.
But he's been he's trying to

2415
02:20:11,440 --> 02:20:13,320
protect her because he doesn't
want to lose her.

2416
02:20:13,360 --> 02:20:15,400
Right.
No, I mean, when she did it, he

2417
02:20:15,400 --> 02:20:17,920
was saying, Oh my gosh, no, no,
your time's off.

2418
02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:19,560
Your time's off.
And it was.

2419
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:24,080
And she was like, oh, shoot,
when she I missed, she was like,

2420
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:26,920
oh shit, I missed.
But she recovered quickly.

2421
02:20:27,080 --> 02:20:30,120
Yeah, but.
Yeah.

2422
02:20:30,120 --> 02:20:34,000
So and the and the revelation
that it was Cali, I thought that

2423
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:35,040
was kind of.
Cool, yeah.

2424
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:36,760
Yeah, that was.
Pretty good.

2425
02:20:36,760 --> 02:20:40,120
And you know, and it's cute that
Robin and Vicki are together.

2426
02:20:43,080 --> 02:20:46,120
It's cute.
But this ain't gonna work 'cause

2427
02:20:46,120 --> 02:20:48,360
you want to tell Vicki what's
happening because you keep

2428
02:20:48,360 --> 02:20:52,120
cancelling on Vicki and Vicki
look like she getting a little

2429
02:20:52,120 --> 02:20:53,640
tired.
She getting a little tired.

2430
02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:56,280
Just a little.
Yeah, 'cause you you trying to

2431
02:20:56,280 --> 02:20:59,200
take her the end zone, 'cause
you know you have made fucked

2432
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:02,080
up, right.
So this is.

2433
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:06,160
Not going to work.
None of y'all Nancy and Jonathan

2434
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:08,400
are different because both of
them are in it.

2435
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:13,880
But if you don't need to be
dating nobody who has no

2436
02:21:13,880 --> 02:21:18,960
knowledge of this because, one,
because you're going to have to

2437
02:21:18,960 --> 02:21:23,360
be lying to them, and then two,
you could possibly be putting

2438
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:27,000
them in in danger that they
don't necessarily need to be in,

2439
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:30,240
especially if they are ignorant
of what's going on.

2440
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:37,040
That's just not fair, You know?
So it's cute.

2441
02:21:37,200 --> 02:21:39,560
I'm glad she found, you know,
she got her crush.

2442
02:21:39,960 --> 02:21:45,080
But yeah, that is something.
Look, Vicki might die.

2443
02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:54,160
That part so it.
Will suck for Robin, but did she

2444
02:21:54,320 --> 02:21:56,240
at least?
She had a little love before,

2445
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:56,840
you know.
Yeah.

2446
02:21:57,560 --> 02:21:59,200
It went away.
Yeah, but you?

2447
02:22:00,920 --> 02:22:04,120
You don't need to be in a
relationship when you are trying

2448
02:22:04,120 --> 02:22:06,880
to find the thing that is trying
to end the world.

2449
02:22:07,240 --> 02:22:12,160
Right.
Well, I really did enjoy volume

2450
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:15,200
one.
I've watched it twice.

2451
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:19,480
It flows really well.
So it's not one of those things

2452
02:22:19,480 --> 02:22:27,600
where I can say, OK, this
happened in episode 1234.

2453
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:30,400
I mean, clearly we know what
happened in four.

2454
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:32,600
Yeah, yeah.
I mean the big.

2455
02:22:33,160 --> 02:22:37,840
However, but it it just seems
like it's it's a great like flow

2456
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:41,680
from one to the other.
I really actually probably liked

2457
02:22:41,800 --> 02:22:50,000
episode 2 the the trap.
I really did.

2458
02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:50,960
Episode 2 was.
Good.

2459
02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:52,840
Yeah, I really like them working
together.

2460
02:22:52,960 --> 02:22:55,680
Yeah, and stuff.
Episode 2 was like old school

2461
02:22:55,720 --> 02:22:59,120
Stranger Things.
Yes, it was, yeah.

2462
02:22:59,160 --> 02:23:03,400
But I think I think 4 was my
favorite because of Will.

2463
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:06,480
Oh yeah, 4/4.
I mean, I like to.

2464
02:23:07,160 --> 02:23:11,400
Because I was.
Just like finally, but I love to

2465
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:15,960
4.
It's just the 20 minutes.

2466
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:20,080
No, it's more than it's more
than 20 minutes.

2467
02:23:20,360 --> 02:23:27,840
It's it's all it starts when
Derek the meditator was getting

2468
02:23:27,840 --> 02:23:31,760
those kids in that bathroom and
then when everything went to

2469
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:33,800
hell.
It's like I I like that, but I

2470
02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:36,280
liked everything.
I'm just saying those are the

2471
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:43,320
just the the parts like I enjoy
like Mike being physical in

2472
02:23:43,320 --> 02:23:46,320
episode 2, like he did good.
Yeah.

2473
02:23:46,840 --> 02:23:50,080
And I'm always great when Nancy
has a gun, any type of gun.

2474
02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:54,920
Anytime, yeah, anytime Nancy is
in her Take charge money, yes.

2475
02:23:55,960 --> 02:24:00,160
Also, I I liked finding out what
happened to Max.

2476
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:05,000
I like having that that kind of
because I was really worried

2477
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:07,760
about that was like, I don't
want her to just spend the

2478
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:11,840
entire time just in the bed.
You just got something to do.

2479
02:24:11,880 --> 02:24:12,520
So.
Yeah.

2480
02:24:12,520 --> 02:24:17,120
So it was cool, you know, seeing
where she woke up to and where

2481
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:20,880
she's, you know, landed.
Make her home in The Cave.

2482
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:22,400
Yeah.
And stuff.

2483
02:24:22,400 --> 02:24:25,640
Now I I need the Henry Creel
back story because again, I

2484
02:24:25,640 --> 02:24:27,400
don't know anything about the
first shadow.

2485
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:32,320
I've purpose.
I purposefully have kept away

2486
02:24:32,320 --> 02:24:35,760
from it because I was like, I
don't want to know anything just

2487
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:38,400
in case it has something to do
with season 5.

2488
02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:42,640
And then I'll probably go and
and read some information on it.

2489
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:49,120
I really want to see it.
But you know, I, I just I.

2490
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:51,960
Don't.
Yeah.

2491
02:24:51,960 --> 02:24:57,600
And it's different here in the
States than it is overseas too,

2492
02:24:58,520 --> 02:25:01,120
because we watched a video where
they talked about the, I

2493
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:03,320
watched, they talked about the
differences and stuff.

2494
02:25:03,320 --> 02:25:05,400
So it didn't.
It makes it seems like that we

2495
02:25:05,400 --> 02:25:07,320
have a short attention span
also.

2496
02:25:08,960 --> 02:25:11,240
We stupid.
We stupid.

2497
02:25:13,000 --> 02:25:14,520
That's not what she said, she
said.

2498
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:17,960
I'm gonna go with we.
Have That's why they made the

2499
02:25:19,080 --> 02:25:21,880
changes, because we're stupid
over here.

2500
02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:25,960
Yeah.
No, I just, I think, I think

2501
02:25:25,960 --> 02:25:29,480
over here we also view theater a
lot different than they do over

2502
02:25:29,480 --> 02:25:31,920
there.
So, but you know.

2503
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:34,920
No, it, it's literally stuff
that has nothing to do with

2504
02:25:34,920 --> 02:25:37,840
theater.
It's just like, 'cause we, we,

2505
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:41,600
we got to dumb things down to
take it, but that's just, that's

2506
02:25:41,600 --> 02:25:43,280
OK.
It's all right.

2507
02:25:43,960 --> 02:25:48,240
We'll get better one day.
Probably not, but we will.

2508
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:51,200
It ain't gonna be before Episode
8, so.

2509
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:54,440
Or.
No, it won't be.

2510
02:25:56,960 --> 02:26:02,600
So again, we have the three
episodes for volume to coming up

2511
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:07,320
in a couple of days.
So we will continue recording

2512
02:26:07,320 --> 02:26:11,000
Stranger Things by volume
because we just see, especially

2513
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:13,640
with this being the holidays,
trying to do it episode by

2514
02:26:13,640 --> 02:26:17,880
episode was just not working.
I mean, we rescheduled trying to

2515
02:26:17,880 --> 02:26:20,720
do episode 1, I think 6 times
total.

2516
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:23,480
And it was just like, OK, you
know what, at this point, we

2517
02:26:23,480 --> 02:26:28,920
will never get it done.
So we will do Volume 2.

2518
02:26:28,920 --> 02:26:32,440
And then again, we will be
spending our New Year's Eve at

2519
02:26:32,440 --> 02:26:37,960
the movie theaters watching it.
Maybe we'll do a live reaction

2520
02:26:37,960 --> 02:26:40,080
afterwards.
That that would be great.

2521
02:26:40,520 --> 02:26:43,640
That would be fun.
Yeah.

2522
02:26:43,640 --> 02:26:46,760
We, I mean, we may have to do.
I'm sure Michelle and I are

2523
02:26:46,760 --> 02:26:48,680
going to be ugly crying.
We're going to have tea.

2524
02:26:48,680 --> 02:26:50,320
Right.
And I'm going to be like, can't

2525
02:26:50,320 --> 02:26:55,160
see a thing too and see when I
sit that close to a screen, but

2526
02:26:55,160 --> 02:26:57,520
I'm there for it.
I'll fear it out.

2527
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:01,200
Yeah, because it's a small
theater and those things were

2528
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:04,800
going quick.
And what made me mad was that

2529
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:11,920
after I purchased my $500 worth
of tickets, everyone, the app

2530
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:14,080
kept crashing and I kept
thinking I didn't purchase

2531
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:15,200
tickets.
And then I did.

2532
02:27:15,200 --> 02:27:18,040
And then I had Anthony over here
purchasing tickets and then all

2533
02:27:18,040 --> 02:27:20,680
of a sudden I'm getting
confirmation you have bought

2534
02:27:20,680 --> 02:27:21,520
tickets.
What?

2535
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:27,240
They opened up a big theater.
I was like, why you just didn't

2536
02:27:27,240 --> 02:27:30,320
do that beforehand?
I'm confused about that.

2537
02:27:30,320 --> 02:27:34,920
But it's also an hour later,
which means that, yeah, they,

2538
02:27:34,960 --> 02:27:37,880
they probably, they will have an
hour of some kind of spoilers

2539
02:27:37,880 --> 02:27:39,440
before.
No, they won't 'cause we would

2540
02:27:39,440 --> 02:27:41,000
be sitting up in that movie like
this.

2541
02:27:41,080 --> 02:27:43,760
They put your damn phone down.
You know, everybody put your

2542
02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:48,320
phone down, don't say a word.
Yeah, OK, it started.

2543
02:27:48,680 --> 02:27:50,840
We're going to go, we're going
to be one of the first people to

2544
02:27:50,840 --> 02:27:52,520
see it.
That'll be great.

2545
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:55,800
And then like, like Anthony
said, we may do a live reaction

2546
02:27:55,800 --> 02:28:01,120
video, we may talk about some
stuff, and then Stranger Things

2547
02:28:01,120 --> 02:28:03,680
will be over.
Yeah, and they'll be New Year's.

2548
02:28:04,440 --> 02:28:09,280
Yeah, Look, I'd be like, yeah,
we don't answer 2026.

2549
02:28:09,400 --> 02:28:14,680
Stressed and distraught.
I just go into bed.

2550
02:28:16,320 --> 02:28:17,760
I know because like.
What can help?

2551
02:28:17,760 --> 02:28:20,560
Everybody, I'm good.
I need to.

2552
02:28:20,600 --> 02:28:23,200
I need a moment.
Yeah, I think that's going to be

2553
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:24,240
me, too.
So.

2554
02:28:24,480 --> 02:28:27,600
Right.
I like Michelle.

2555
02:28:27,640 --> 02:28:29,160
You OK?
No, I'm not OK.

2556
02:28:29,160 --> 02:28:31,680
I'm just going to be in the bed.
I don't think we're going to be

2557
02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:34,720
OK, but it's going to be OK.
So.

2558
02:28:36,600 --> 02:28:44,760
But until then, we hope everyone
has a Merry Christmas and that

2559
02:28:44,760 --> 02:28:46,920
is it for our show.
You can find us online at

2560
02:28:46,920 --> 02:28:51,160
www.phantomhybrid.com.
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2561
02:28:51,160 --> 02:28:52,680
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Hybrid.

2562
02:28:52,920 --> 02:28:55,360
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2563
02:28:55,360 --> 02:28:57,920
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2564
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:00,600
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2565
02:29:00,960 --> 02:29:02,520
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2566
02:29:02,520 --> 02:29:03,720
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