Stranger Things (Season 5 Volume 2) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #391

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony and Michelle and we
are discussing Stranger Things

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Season 5 Volume 2.
We are almost at the end y'all.

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We almost made the.
Final countdown.

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And I think we have had we have
had several conversations.

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I told Anthony Michelle today I
need to just carry my mics

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around with with us when we hang
out because we literally sat at

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Outback today having lunch and
discuss Stranger things for

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almost an hour.
But we were like, wait, we got

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to save it for the podcast.
But I think we'll be good,

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right?
Yes, we'll be.

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Good.
Yeah, like, like they told me

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you could talk about this all
day.

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All day, baby, all day, all day.
We'll, we'll see.

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Because between the things that
actually happened, between the

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things we're seeing online, the
discourse, between the different

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theories, I just, there's,
there's a lot going on.

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There's a lot.
So let's get into volume to 3

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episodes, episodes 5-6 and
seven.

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Where do we want to start 'cause
I'm like, I don't even know.

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There's, I think we should just
pick a character and talk about

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what happened to that character.
Because of course, again, if

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you're listening to this, we're
assuming that you're caught up.

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So we don't need to do like full
recaps.

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We just really need to talk
about what's going on with these

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characters.
Yeah, 'cause if if you're

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listening to this, you have seen
it already.

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You have to.
You have to.

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You you have seen the.
If not.

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Spoilers.
Yeah, definitely spoilers and we

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will be very cognizant of not
saying anything.

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Me and Anthony will say nothing
about the play and its relations

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to what is happening because
Hanukkah don't know and some of

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you don't know so will not.
I think it's like less than 1%

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of the the audience watching has
seen the play.

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Right.
But then there's some I haven't

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seen the play, but by product, I
have seen the play through many

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deep dives on YouTube's of
people talking about the play.

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And I can tell you from the
curtain opens what happened to

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the curtain closes.
But I hadn't been there.

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But I'm going to keep that to
myself.

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The only part I know about is
when Jamie Campbell showed up on

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stage.
And I had not that surprised a

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whole lot of people.
They were excited about that.

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OK, so let's go with the main
person.

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Let's go with Will.
Let's just jump in.

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Let's talk about Mr. William
because 2-3 big things happen in

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this Volume 3.
Just say this for Will this

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season, I feel like his
character is really, really

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getting to do some deep stuff.
And I'm glad because he's been

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on the like he's been the main,
the main focus of the show for

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so long, but he's also been a
sideline character for so long.

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Like I think we talked about
this in the last volume.

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He's always been the victim and
not really able to kind of be

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out there really doing things.
So to see him this season, kind

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of own who he is and come into
that confidence, coming to that

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strength to see his friends
really have some confidence in

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him, to see his mother have some
confidence in him and for him to

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do the shit that he did in his
volume.

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Applause for Mr. William Byers.
I totally agree.

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However, before we get deep in
what he did, however, coming off

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of volume one, I was so hyped,
like, OK, Will is like he gonna

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be that no limit soldier, like
he is ready, like nothing's

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gonna bother him.
And then we we did still have a

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little bit of old Will, but we
still look look crying and

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stuff.
And I'm like, Nah, Will, you

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don't need to cry.
You don't need to.

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I mean, I'm just saying it was
funny because I'm a crier.

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I I trust me, it's growing pain.
But I I was like, no, you don't

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cry, boy.
You just stand up.

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You did great.
Keep going.

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And my favorite, my favorite is
when he got back into the hive

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mind and fully like, I mean, he
did it though.

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Yeah.
He really did it with Vegna.

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Now Vegna pushed him out his
brain quickly, but it was a

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struggle for Will.
But Will did it.

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I'm just was.
So that was amazing and I want

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to see a little bit more of that
in Volume 3.

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And.
You know what?

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And this my comment is not about
Will specifically is tangential

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to Will is Joyce because Joyce
went from one extreme to the

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other where she went from, you
know, protect.

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We'll we'll guys stay with me.
Bye bye to like, OK, we'll kill

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Vechner.
And it was like, wait for it was

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sort of jarring for her to go so
far to the extreme for me.

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I'm not saying it was a big
problem, but it was just one of

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those things where she had been
so protective of him, so

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sheltering of him that when and
she realized maybe she needed to

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let go, she she didn't just let
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She just kind of pushed him to
this thing.

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And I don't know if it's because
we watch a lot of this stuff or

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I watch a lot of this stuff.
You know, he's not ready.

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Like he just figured out what he
can do and the first thing you

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want to do is invade vacant his
mind and kill him.

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Victoria has been doing this
thing for 50 years.

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So.
That that means she like, even

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though it was jarring for you,
that is exactly right because

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she we went from that mom where
you like, oh shit, my kids

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constantly getting beat up, like
I got to protect them to oh,

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like they can do some things.
I got plans.

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Yes, this is what you you can do
this.

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You can do this.
I'm right by your side.

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I believe in you.
You got this.

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She turned into like a soccer
mom.

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Real.
Quick.

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I won't even say it's real
quick.

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I'm kind of in between both of
you guys.

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Like, I'm glad that she's
finally on board and that she's

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giving that she's telling Will
that she has confidence in him.

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I do feel like it was also kind
of a whiplash moment.

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But I also think she's paying a
lot of attention to Hopper and

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the way he is with Elle.
And I think she sees a lot of

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what she's doing with Will and,
and, and what Hopper is doing

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with Elle.
And it's like, as parents, we

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can treat our children one way
and not see the way that we're

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treating them or how what we're
doing to them might be

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detrimental to them.
But when we see other people do

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it to their children, we see
other people have that same

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behavior.
And we're cognizant enough to

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recognize and be like, oh, wait,
I do that, too.

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I think at this point, she
probably really was looking at

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the situation like, OK, Will
just showed us that he has the

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ability, that he has the power,
that he has the heart to do.

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And this is what Will was
telling her in Volume 1.

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And I think at this point, she
realizes, OK, you know what?

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If we're going to beat him,
we're going to need everything

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that everything that we can
throw at him.

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And we I I'm sorry, as a parent,
you can't expect the other man's

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child to do all the heavy
lifting when you see that your

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child is capable of doing
something right.

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And then you get hyped, like
Hanukkah said, in a better way.

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But you get hyped like, you
know, when you have what all of

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us, I think the ones who have
kids and you see your kid do an

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actual talent.
And at first you'd be like,

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yeah, I don't really know.
Like, OK, not really sure how to

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it's going to go.
And then you see like, well,

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damn, they really good.
OK, Like I'm all for it.

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And that's how and Pete could be
completely honest.

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What ends up happening if this
was if this continues on and he

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has to continue using his
powers, he's going to get tired

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of it.
And she's going to be like, hey,

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use your powers to mow the yard.
Hey, use your powers to pay the

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bills.
And he was like, OK, because we

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get so hyped up and then so
consumed that we're not thinking

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like she is consumed.
Like everyone is hyped about him

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being a sorcerer.
I saw it.

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He can do it.
And she not thinking like that

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boy just learned how to do it.
Like you took the training

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wheels off and now nearly you're
like doing 30 mile cross

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country.
Oh, you can do this.

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Please go kill him now and end
this.

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I think that's really where her
focus was.

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She was like, oh, she's hyped.
Yeah, it should be done with it.

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There's no doubts that your kid
could do it now.

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But realistically, in real life,
we get so hyped about our kids

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doing something, we kind of miss
the fact that he he couldn't do

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it.
I I get that.

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I'm just saying maybe a little
bit of thought, you know, if

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not, it's not, it's not that she
took the training wheels off.

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She just handed him the bike
with no training wheels and said

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go.
Right.

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And and I understand the hype, I
get it, but I'm just saying my

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issue a little.
More cautious.

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You you send her, you send him.
You basically are telling him to

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go fight someone using a power
that.

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Level 3.
Level three person.

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Literally just picked it up
like.

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You didn't even train like a
training montage.

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Nothing.
He's like, OK, he's going to go

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in.
He's going to infiltrate.

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Victor's mind is.
Mind you, Victor has killed

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dozens of people.
Yeah, and I get it.

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Yeah.
You send him out he's and you

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literally think he created the
upside down.

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This guy has he's like a level
10 and you you're sending a

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newbie after.
Right.

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Yeah, but I I just need it for
her to just, I understand the

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enthusiasm.
I just maybe needed for her to

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to kind of, OK, take a pause.
Yeah, you know.

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And I think she would have took
a pause if she didn't see it.

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Like, if they told her he did
it, she'd be like, yeah, OK, we

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still have to be cautious.
You know what I'm saying?

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We can try this.
But she saw it, and she just got

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thrown in the whirlwind.
It's like, you telling me I love

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you, baby.
Don't take a fancy.

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If you ever watch this, listen
to her.

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Like, OK, she can sing.
And I'd be like, yeah, can she

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really sing?
And then you're like, sing this.

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And I'm like, wow, she can sing.
And then we get her on stage

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with Whitney Houston or
something and we like, oh fuck

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no, I can't even sing.
But then she also has.

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I mean, she song in the house,
so let's put her in concert

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with, you know, the back of
Whitney Houston and we like Oh

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my God, but.
She also.

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Like Harry?
Oh my God, we did.

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We did our child wrong.
I got you, but she also just

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watched this thing tank the
entire military unit, right?

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The entire military unit left no
one standing.

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Yeah, but it's different.
It's not in person.

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That's another thing too.
He doesn't have to fight him in

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person.
So she's like the mind thing.

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Joyce not getting it.
I don't think.

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She should be put in a permanent
coma.

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I don't think she.
Should be like that.

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I don't think she really.
I don't want to say it.

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It feels like she doesn't really
understand the true threat that

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Beckman poses.
Initially and yeah and she and

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she doesn't get that doesn't.
But the other thing is, you

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know, going back to what both of
y'all were saying, if you think

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about it, yeah, she did jump the
gun.

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Because like you were saying
about training, even Elle has to

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train.
Even L, who we know has powers

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and whose powers she's not
siphoning off of anybody else.

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She's not borrowing, she's not
tapping in.

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These are her own powers and she
still has to train.

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So yes, Will, Will needs to
train.

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And I again, I think she just
got a little bit Brazil is she

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was like, oh, you can do this.
Let's just kill this bastard and

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be done with it.
But again, something that we

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established in Volume 1, Joyce
does not always have the best

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plans.
And I think somebody needed to

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remind her of that.
Like, we might be moving a

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little too fast.
I appreciate the enthusiasm.

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I appreciate her giving Will the
confidence because after that, I

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mean, yes, he killed the demo
Gorgons, but the kids are all

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gone.
Beckman still has the kids.

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And so you can kind of
understand how he would feel

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about that.
Like he's like, oh, I was able

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to do this all all along and I
should have done it earlier and

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then the kids wouldn't be here.
Well, baby, you just not

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figuring this out.
This is not like all the stuff

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that they're dealing with in
this volume, all of the science

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stuff, finding out the true what
what the Upside Down really is,

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all of this stuff, even Dustin
being wrong about what he

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thought it was.
It's not that you're wrong.

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You made a very good estimated
guest based on the information

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you have, you know, And then
when you have more information,

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you're like, oh, wait, I was
wrong.

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I was totally wrong.
It wasn't that.

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But the fact that y'all have
been doing this for four years

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with no battle plan, with no
prior knowledge, with, I mean,

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y'all literally just got
snatched up into this.

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Yeah, that's great.
I need we need to not be so hard

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on himself, right, because he
training on the job and that's

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not easy and.
That's that's what I would say

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to that's not like Dustin.
Don't beat yourself up, bro.

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You, you're like 13 years.
You were thirteen years old.

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Mean we 16.
Dustin when you can't, when they

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were trying to figure out Upside
down, yes, OK, you were wrong.

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But dude.
You right you hadn't even gone

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to like college and you know
wrote papers you're doing this

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with high school level science
right and she prefers.

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To.
Scott.

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So it's OK.
It's OK.

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Picture.
Yeah, complete round.

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Don't mute yourself up.
Already, he don't like being

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wrong.
So that's the problem.

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His problem.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And we'll get to Dustin and his

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problems later on.
OK.

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So back to Will.
Yeah, back to Will.

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But I'm sorry.
That was OK.

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We have a little bit of cursing
here.

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It was badass.
That was It was badass.

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It was the greatest thing.
Apologize every time you curse,

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right?
That's why someone started now.

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OK, that's going to happen.
But it was badass that that was

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simply just, you know, simply.
I mean, you paid the price for

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it, you know?
But you have learned a lot.

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Yeah, you did.
You were able to confirm to

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Lucas that Max is around and
that Holly is there and Holly

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and Max are together.
You got Max out of there.

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However, you turned around, and
then you were the spy and told

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where Max was.
But that's OK.

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Wouldn't you?
If somebody was digging their

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claws in your head, I'd be
single, right?

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I would.
I mean, me too.

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At least he made it to, you
know, blood come out of his ears

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and eyes.
I got one single blood and I'm

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like, you got the information.
I'm good, right?

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Right.
He.

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Said he fought.
He really, he fought.

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He did, but the thing that got
him, which we find out later on

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because we don't actually see
it, but we find out later on, is

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again, Vechner uses secrets.
He uses people's worst fears to

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get at them and to manipulate
them.

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And this is what he does to Will
and Will has in this episode

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finally, his being coming out
scene.

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And I say being because it
wasn't just, you know, he

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started out.
He was just going to tell Joyce

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and then here comes Mike in the
room and he's like, you probably

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need to hear this to a matter of
fact.

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Get everybody, everybody,
everyone.

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Like, you know what, if I'm a
story time day at all, I'm going

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to go ahead and pull it all the
way off.

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So literally you have everybody.
And I think it's been a while

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since we've seen everybody
together.

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All of the adults, all of the
young adults, all of the chill,

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everybody is there, even Max at
this point.

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And he has his moment.
And I'm, I'm admit, the first

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time I watched it, I was like,
this has got to be the longest

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coming out speech I've ever
seen.

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It was people measure the time
the second time.

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And I think the first time I
watched these episodes, like I

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was right there on the precipice
of being emotional.

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But I think I was so scared of
what was going to happen in

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these episodes.
I was trying not to, you know,

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to, to freak out or to cry or
whatever.

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I was just like, I'm waiting for
the shoe to drop.

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I'm waiting for the shoe to
drop.

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So I don't think I really
absorbed it the second time I

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watched it.
However, I'm sitting here

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bawling like a baby and just
noticing the little stuff.

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As soon as he started talking
and he started saying little

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things.
And the camera pans to Jonathan,

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Jonathan already knows what he's
about to do.

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And you see that small smile on
Jonathan's face, like, yes, he's

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about to do it.
He's proud.

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Then you see Robin kind of over
there just kind of nodding,

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encouraging him.
And Will is telling, you know,

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his friends about all this
stuff.

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He's like, look, he was like,
Vecna uses people's secrets

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against them.
He was like, and I have a big

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secret to tell them to tell you
guys.

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And I got to say, Noah Schnapp
nailed it in this scene.

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And I don't know if it was also
like just his personal feelings

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about his sexuality because he
did come out as gay a few years

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ago, I think season 3 or 4.
So I don't know if he was

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pulling his own experience into
that.

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But when I say just the facial
expressions, the body language,

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the the ring of the hands, just
everything, he was phenomenal.

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And I'm so glad we're getting to
see him actually do like some

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some heavy, heavy acting in this
season.

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Yeah, because he, when I say the
emotional weight, the whole

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Demogorgon scene in the first
one, the scene with him trying

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to kill Dechner in this one,
this scene right here, he is

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bringing it.
And I, when I say I watch that

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scene and it was just so
emotional and listening to him

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talk to his friends about, oh,
yeah, we like this and we like

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that and we like that.
And I was like, you know what?

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This is really cute because he's
rude.

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He's giving them reminders like,
hey, we like all of these

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things, except I'm not
different, right?

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Right.
And he, he was nervous.

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So you got any more?
Because I got a few things on

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this.
Before, before you go, I just

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want to my, my thing, I just
want to say that the way, the

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way Weckner is, but he said it
during his speech.

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He said I, I guess I want to say
that I don't think I think

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there's a distinction to be made
that it wasn't that he had a a

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fear of being gay.
He had the fear of being of his

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friends and family.
Oh.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, definitely.

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I'm just saying abandoning him
and being alone.

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And then he separate himself too
from them because of how they

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they, their worry and their
fear.

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So and I think that's that's a
distinction that we didn't make

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sure our audience.
You know what?

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To be fair, though, I think it
is fair to say that he might

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have even been, I'm afraid of
being gay.

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I mean, he says as much in
there.

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He was like, you know, I, I
didn't want to be different.

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He was like, I, I didn't fit,
you know, want to tell you all.

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I was different 'cause I didn't
want to be different.

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We have to think about it.
This is not.

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Typically.
Specifically, he says Victor

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showed him that he would be
alone.

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Yes.
And that's what he was afraid

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of.
But what he was talking about

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before, he did say that he was
also afraid of being different.

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He didn't want to be different.
And we have to think about it.

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This is 198087.
This is right in the height of

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the AIDS epidemic.
This is when there was a lot of

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backlash against gays,
especially for someone his age.

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So yeah, he probably did also
have that fear as well.

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But what?
Yeah, you're right.

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What Dechner showed him was that
his friends would abandoned him,

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his family would abandoned him.
But that.

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Fear has to start.
With the fact that, oh, I

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realize this is who I am and I'm
not sure if I'm OK with that.

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I'm I'm scared of that.
And I think that's what he, and

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I think with that one, he was
processing that with Robin, the

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fear of being different and
then.

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He.
He then became OK with that and

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then when he got taken over with
Vegna it was and not that they

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abandoned him like he even said
I push people away because I

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didn't want to see how they
were, their fear and worry about

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me.
So I didn't want.

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To and that was that was deep
but here here's my points now

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y'all know I'm crazy.
What I'm confused about how if

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he is, this is his coming out
story.

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Why are we judging?
First of all, how long he was

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and how many people in the room?
Everybody got their own story to

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tell.
Like I never had to come out,

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but I may want to come out a
little different than the next

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door neighbor came out.
But why are we putting

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parameters around how he came
out?

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I've seen a lot of that and
everybody online discourse.

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Yeah, yeah.
Because like it.

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Was too long, he says too many
things.

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It should only be first of all,
let's go back to what y'all

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said.
It could not be just his mom,

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because The thing is, if he just
told his mom, of course, Joyce

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is like, I'm not leaving you,
honey.

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I'm going to live in your
basement with you.

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She ain't going nowhere.
But Wagner showed him everybody,

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his friends.
So he had to tell everybody.

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And then this is not the time to
be like, OK, I only need Lucas,

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Dustin, Steve.
No, no, Steve, you can stay in

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that other room.
Robin.

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Yeah.
I need you to come for

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encouragement.
OK.

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Hopper, I don't need you.
Like this ain't the time to be

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like, I only need these four
people, not this group.

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Everyone just come in here.
Yeah, look, let's just get this

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over with.
Let's just get it over with.

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Because once I tell a whole big
group, if anything, when you

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have to tell anybody something
and you tell the whole group,

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after you tell the whole group
you good.

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And but I'm not going to tell.
Two people here then go into

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another room and tell these two
people and have a whole day of

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me trying to tell them that I'm
gay.

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That's not happening.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
OK.

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That's one second of all.
Shade, little shade.

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The wheel.
Will.

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Will, you did not have to throw
Robin's business out there, but

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thank goodness no one knows
about Tammy.

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Thank you.
Well, Steve.

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Yeah.
I mean, thank you.

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I'm just saying.
So Robin, don't say nothing

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about Tammy for another year
until you really come out.

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No, because you know what I
think this scene also did.

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The scene also.
Showed Robin that.

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These are people.
She would be safe with Oh yeah,

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yeah, I'm just making a joke
that he throw Tammy out there

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and I'm like, that's not hurt.
That's not your story to tell,

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dude.
Keep Tammy in, keep Tammy in.

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But again, and then for the
people didn't know.

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Come on now.
So at this point, I'm I'm

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starting you.
I can put the information in the

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comments, but we have known that
this has been wheeled since

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season 1.
And if you're not sure about

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season 1, you definitely know in
season 2.

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If you're not sure about season
2, damn it, you know it's season

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3.
And if you weren't sure in

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season 3, you don't know about
the picture you drew in season

449
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,080
4.
What show you?

450
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,920
Watching at this point.
I don't think you really

451
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,840
watching Stranger Things and
really digging in like we are

452
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,600
with Strange Things.
I think you just coming along

453
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,640
because everyone's excited about
Stranger Things.

454
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,960
There's nothing wrong with that.
I've done that with plenty of

455
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,120
shows.
However, however, this is this

456
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,760
boy's story, and again, this is
the end.

457
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,120
We're not giving them anymore.
So we needed him to come out.

458
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,600
Yeah, and we needed him to point
out to Mike that you are the

459
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,640
crush.
And you know what?

460
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,280
It's so.
Crazy specifically.

461
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,840
Pointed out who else could.
It be he was it wasn't Lucas

462
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,000
when it wasn't Dustin when he
said it, he's looking at the

463
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,840
crack, he's looking at the whole
group.

464
00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:03,480
And then when he said but I had
a crush on someone, his eyes

465
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,920
specifically went to Mike.
And if you look at the way Mike

466
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,160
reacted, Mike didn't do a whole
big thing, but you could tell

467
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,200
from his eyes he looked and he
was like, oh, wait, that's me.

468
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,720
But not only that, Mike was the
one, and I think it was season 2

469
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,560
who pointed out to Will.
He was like, it's not our fault

470
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,560
that you don't like girls.
I think Mike had a double

471
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,280
realization there.
Mike realized 10 I was the

472
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,280
crush, but he literally said I
had I had a crush on someone,

473
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,560
but I realized it was not about
that person.

474
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,600
OK, so he already is like, oh,
OK, so this is not going to be

475
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,360
awkward because it could be
awkward at the beginning.

476
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,720
We we best friends to give it.
I'm your Saint.

477
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,840
The others on the other side,
He's like, oh shit, I may have

478
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,640
realized this way before anybody
else did right.

479
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,880
And when he said it, when he did
say it is when he said it.

480
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,840
I don't even think he was
thinking that because there's

481
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,720
sometimes people are into even
if Will wasn't, Will wasn't

482
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,720
there yet.
Our maturity level are

483
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,680
different.
Like some of us got into boys

484
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,920
and girls.
Oh, that doesn't sound right as

485
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,720
an adult saying that, but we had
some.

486
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,720
Of us A.
Little earlier, yeah.

487
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:25,000
Some of us were kidnapped.
By Vecna and held for a while so

488
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,120
yeah, that would cause so like
our love interest came at

489
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:31,600
different times like even let's
just point out OK if Will wasn't

490
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:37,120
gay like Will may have just
still been playing with toys and

491
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:41,440
D&D and he wasn't interested in
his hormones didn't hit he

492
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,520
wasn't interested in anything at
that point in time.

493
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,920
Well, first of all, damn it,
I've been kidnapped.

494
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,880
I'm I'm behind even though I'm
kidnapped that long, but I'm

495
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,600
still a little bit behind in
you.

496
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,400
I'm still trying to get my
bearing.

497
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,800
I'm still trying to figure out
why that slug came out my mouth

498
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,600
in the sink.
So I'm having other issues and

499
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960
I'm not thinking about dating at
this point.

500
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,720
Mike, you only think.
About dating because L popped up

501
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,280
in your basement you.
Know what I'm saying?

502
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,200
If L.
Didn't pop up in your basement.

503
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,160
You may have not thought about
anybody either.

504
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,360
Dustin only finally thought
about somebody in Season 3

505
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,640
because he went to camp and
found someone super intelligent.

506
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,760
If he didn't go to camp, he
wasn't liking anybody.

507
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,680
He didn't like Max.
They all liked.

508
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,200
Max, because she was different.
Yeah, that was only.

509
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,880
Yeah, so.
Come on.

510
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,240
But that was just my, my, my
thing about we'll let him have

511
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
his moment.
Like, damn, everyone has had a

512
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,720
moment.
Literally we've.

513
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,800
Been.
Having Will and his neck hairs

514
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,400
for years he hadn't had much to
say.

515
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,400
He's he's awkward, he's trying
to figure out life and finally

516
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,040
he has got his feet on the
ground.

517
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,640
He is doing some things and
y'all want to give him that 7

518
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,680
minutes of dialogue, let him
have it.

519
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,680
I think in this part I.
Think at this point Will has

520
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,120
earned it.
He has.

521
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,520
Well, first of all, you, I'm
sorry, that's just another

522
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,520
podcast even also he's been
violated this season.

523
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,600
What I think he can have
whatever he want and then he got

524
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,440
violated again.
That's all right.

525
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,000
Because y'all can't.
Tell me this, that is the most

526
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,000
disgusting thing.
Whatever they pumping into the

527
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,680
the keys in their mouth.
I'm sorry, it's horrible.

528
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,680
Listen the.
Sound.

529
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,320
Effects when?
That thing went.

530
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,400
Into Derek's mouth in this I was
like, you know what?

531
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,560
I I don't need to like if.
It was Thomas.

532
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,040
I would have been OK and it
doesn't go.

533
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Gently, it is just a.
Damn right into the face.

534
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,680
Aliens.
I can't jam right into the.

535
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,760
Face, I was like, oh, can we be
a little bit more gentle, gentle

536
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,720
with the kids and is this care?
No, and since fuck them kids.

537
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Yeah, he has and I'm about ready
to too.

538
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,680
But OK, since we talked about
the character.

539
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,800
So what do you think is going to
happen on Wednesday for Will and

540
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Joyce?
Since Joyce was thrown in there,

541
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,680
she got nothing left but Will
and Joyce.

542
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,680
OK, so.
I guess I'm going to encompass

543
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,160
this whole thing because we've
been talking back and forth

544
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,920
about characters and who we
think may survive, who we think

545
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,960
may die, whatever, whatever.
And I don't know, the more that

546
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,440
I, I've watched it now, I think
this is like my third or fourth

547
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,640
time I'm watching.
Episode 5 is playing in the

548
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:40,760
background, having conversations
with Anthony on what, Thursday?

549
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,200
And then having conversations
with both of you today.

550
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,000
I think I'm.
About to be on the side of I

551
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,320
don't think anybody's going to
die or I may think one or two

552
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,560
people are going to die.
I don't think Joyce is going to

553
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,760
die.
I think Joyce has been through

554
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,120
enough.
Joyce deserves her little slice

555
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,640
of happiness with Hopper, Which.
I don't know how that's going

556
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,720
to.
Happen and we will just we

557
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:10,680
deserves to kill Becna at this
point aside from 11:00 will.

558
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,800
Probably.
Deserves to kill Becna more than

559
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,280
anyone and we see that he can't.
He can come close.

560
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,200
He got yeated out of Becna's
brain, but now that he doesn't

561
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,640
have anything else to fear at
this point, he's just like OK,

562
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,320
I'm a go for it.
Let will have his moment.

563
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,240
I would love to see will have
his I'm killing the night Kane

564
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,880
moment.
I really will.

565
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,880
I I.
I feel.

566
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,760
If we're talking just about will
kind of the same thing, because

567
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,280
you know, I've I've mentioned it
before.

568
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,160
We couldn't figure out what I
mentioned before, but every

569
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,560
fantasy thing or even like one
of my favorite video game of all

570
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,560
time, Mass Effect, you have to
do a loyalty mission in order to

571
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,000
make sure your characters are
ready for the final battle.

572
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,200
And the loyalty missions are
always about clearing your

573
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,520
conscience and and clearing up
your relationships and make sure

574
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,760
you don't have anything weighing
on you going in.

575
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,640
And now that he doesn't have
that fear anymore that Wegna can

576
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:21,440
play on, I believe with Max's
help, because Max is going to be

577
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,800
like, Oh yeah, there's something
that Vecna fears, Henry fears

578
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,080
something.
And somehow or another he's

579
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,440
going to be able to use that
against Vecna.

580
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,840
And I think that's that's how
it's going to end.

581
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,800
He's going to be able to defeat
him because he doesn't have any

582
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,520
fear, but Vecna does.
And I mean.

583
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,320
And I do agree with Hanukkah
that he is probably more

584
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:52,320
deserving of dealing with
Victoria then I'll because once

585
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,320
we once we get to ill, I have
some stuff to say about she'll

586
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,720
have some something to deal with
on her own.

587
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,680
She ain't going to have time to
be trying to deal with Victoria

588
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,640
because she's going to have
problems with her own.

589
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,080
Yeah.
OK.

590
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,280
You know what, I do have this
question and we talked about,

591
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,440
Michelle talked about this in
volume one.

592
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,360
They don't mention things just
randomly and leave them there.

593
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,600
Like they always come back.
Just like the whole thing with

594
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,280
the wormholes we saw in Volume
to that wormhole thing was a

595
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,000
very important piece of the
whole thing.

596
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Is like literally the thing that
we have been watching since

597
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,680
season 1 and had no clue about
because that's what we find out

598
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,400
the Upside Down is.
So going back to the whole Will

599
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,320
and Vecna thing, when Max is
talking to them about or when

600
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,120
she's talking to Will about the
plan that they have devised to

601
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:51,480
to kind of bring down Vecna.
And she talks about how she was

602
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,640
able to stay safe in Vecna's
mind.

603
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,880
And she talks about the memory.
And she said there's, you know,

604
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,160
he's still scared of that
memory, she said, which shows

605
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,080
that deep down inside there is a
part of him that's still human.

606
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,679
She was like, yeah, he's, he's a
monster, but human I'm.

607
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,600
Wondering if?
That's going to have something

608
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,520
to do with how they defeat him.
Like are they going to find some

609
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,320
kind of way to restore his
humanity back to him as opposed

610
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:26,080
to just outright killing him?
I I mean.

611
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,159
At this point, I wouldn't rule
it out, but it's kind of like

612
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,520
he's also, I mean, yeah, Vecna
is a villain.

613
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,719
He's been doing all these
horrible things, but we got to

614
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,120
think Vecna was a villain.
I mean, he was a victim first.

615
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,719
And I'm just.
I'm just wondering Michelle

616
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,159
looking at me like.
Am I?

617
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,719
Am I touching?
On something close what?

618
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,360
What?
If you think about like one of

619
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,080
the biggest things in the 80s
was Star Wars and even Darth

620
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,960
Vader was redeemed, you are.
At.

621
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,440
The right path, so he.
He could.

622
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,560
Be he could be, you know, if
you, if you're like the

623
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,120
Skywalker, he could always be.
Redeemed.

624
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,720
I don't want to say.
There's no coming back for.

625
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,120
Him though he he can be
redeemed, but like what what

626
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,480
they let's you know?
If I.

627
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,200
Want to say Christmas?
Tree.

628
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,880
Well, see, he will be.
Redeemed.

629
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,000
He will be like Skylo Kylo.
He will be redeemed, but then

630
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,480
you die so he can be redeemed.
Redeemed.

631
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,080
And and and there's.
Little things about him planted

632
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,920
in different places that kind of
go with what you're saying as

633
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,680
well as from *.
Wars, yeah, so and.

634
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,160
That's why I'm going to that's
why, you know, knowing certain

635
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,240
things.
Yeah, you were on the right

636
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:52,680
path.
And I, I, I believe that I but

637
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,760
it's like we have to, we have to
say I'm going to help everyone.

638
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,760
Like I know what's happening.
Like, you know, the Duffel

639
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,080
brothers, like you gave me a
message, but we have inside

640
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:01,760
scoop.
Yeah.

641
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,480
I I can take what was given.
Process that.

642
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,680
And say Hanukkah's on the right
path because we we're, we're

643
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:17,120
forgetting another person,
another thing in this.

644
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,840
Is it a black shadow?
Fair.

645
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,880
Yeah, but that's not who I.
Was talking about OK, I'm going

646
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,080
to go on with Will.
I believe that Will is the

647
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,360
person that deserves to kill.
Or breakdown.

648
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:35,880
Vecna maybe not kill him or
break him down, OK, because he

649
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,040
was he is the true victim of
Vecna and all the things that's

650
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:45,200
happened and the mine player
everyone Ale really just Ale

651
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,320
just got duped in the hospital.
That's all she did, that's all

652
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:50,640
that.
You know what I'm saying?

653
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,320
She doesn't.
Will deserves it.

654
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,760
When this is all over, Will be
alive.

655
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:58,640
Will.
Will move to new.

656
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:06,520
York will be an artist, will be
living in a studio he will find,

657
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,480
he will go to therapy and then
he will meet.

658
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,080
The love of his life.
And then he will still be in

659
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,720
contact with going to need their
own therapist.

660
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,440
They.
Yeah, yeah, he will be in

661
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,320
contact with his friends.
His mom, I don't believe will

662
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,840
have anyone.
So you can kind of hint at the

663
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,640
next character that we'll be
talking about later.

664
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:37,240
She'll be alone, but he will get
her a cabin by the lake and she

665
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:40,640
will be fine to Joyce.
Yes, a Cam will.

666
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,760
Hopper.
She'll be in the cabin by.

667
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,040
The lake so, so let's let's move
on to Hopkins by the lake.

668
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,040
That's since that's what you're
inferring.

669
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,840
OK, two things about Hopper.
Well, since.

670
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,840
Everyone's going to.
Live.

671
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,440
Yeah, I guess so.
Hopper Yeah, yeah, 'cause like.

672
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,360
After the show they got to move
out of.

673
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,120
Hot.
They have to move.

674
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,040
No, Yeah, they all going to have
to move out of Hawkins.

675
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,880
Damn, everyone move that.
Yeah, after.

676
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,120
We finished watching watching
Volume 2.

677
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,280
I did a lot of thinking and I
was like, you know, again, just

678
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,560
like all the fantasy books I
read, the the people have to get

679
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,600
a happy ending after they
accomplished finished the quest

680
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,840
and I you can't get a happy
ending by dying.

681
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,280
So I don't think they're going
to kill anyone.

682
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,200
I think everybody is going to
survive.

683
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,440
So why is it?
So who says dying is not a happy

684
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,440
ending if you die with purpose
it?

685
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,000
Doesn't If Harper dies, Joyce
and Ell are not going to have a

686
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,160
happy ending.
They won't have a happy.

687
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,400
Ending he will die in peace.
I'm not saying he'll die people,

688
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,800
but I'm I'm just saying like
he'll die saying.

689
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,920
Is going to be crushed.
Everybody is.

690
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,080
Going to be.
Crushed.

691
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Everybody is going to be
crushed, so you can't.

692
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,840
We can't lose anyone because
everyone has to be happy,

693
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,600
everyone.
So, so Callie Callie's dead.

694
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,120
Callie's dead because.
I'm OK, we came in.

695
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,000
She came in.
Too late and she's.

696
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,800
Already trying to get I'll to
commit suicide so yeah.

697
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,920
But Hopper and Joyce will be
together.

698
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,000
Thank you.
That's all I wanted.

699
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,520
To say Hopper and Joyce in the
cabin by the lake.

700
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,520
I really want Joyce to be by.
Herself.

701
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,240
I.
Honestly, you got to go.

702
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,480
To the Enzos, come on down
standing we don't have.

703
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,760
Any deaths reservation?
I'm very much.

704
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,480
I'm like 1 foot kind of sort of
over the fence about I'll

705
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,280
surviving.
But I think if we do have

706
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,320
character death, I think she
will probably be one of them.

707
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,720
And also I think they have also
foreshadowed that Hopper may be

708
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,160
another.
I think him and El may end up

709
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:02,240
being on that bridge together
and and and and dying because we

710
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:07,160
think about him.
From, from, from what we've seen

711
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,280
already, Callie has come in.
She's basically told Elle, hey,

712
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,760
So what Doctor K is doing?
She rebooted Papa's program.

713
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,320
They kept me in there.
They were taking my blood.

714
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,760
They were taking lots of my
blood.

715
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,440
And when I tried to escape, I
found out that they had more

716
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,000
pregnant women.
They were giving the pregnant

717
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,240
women my blood so that their
unborn children could become

718
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:29,840
numbers like us.
But my blood was making them

719
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,000
sick and it was not It was
killing them.

720
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,560
You are the closest to Henry,
and Henry's blood is what made

721
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,840
us.
So they're after you because

722
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,720
they want you.
They want your blood to make the

723
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,200
program.
So she's basically telling her

724
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,360
when they come up with the plan
to collide the two worlds so

725
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,640
that they can destroy the Abyss
and the the Upside Down.

726
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,120
And we'll talk about that in a
little bit.

727
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,240
She.
Basically is like.

728
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,600
We need to make sure that they
don't have access to us, that

729
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,680
they can't do this anymore.
And if we both survive or if you

730
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,640
survive, they're going to keep
coming after you.

731
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,640
So what we need to do is when we
blow this bridge up, we need to

732
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,640
be on, We need to be on the
other side of it.

733
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,280
We need to not come back with
everybody else.

734
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,360
OK, so there are.
That's already that's already

735
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,160
showing that Elle has this in
her mind that OK, maybe I need

736
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,840
to do this because when they go
into the upside down, she looks

737
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,600
like Khalid.
She gives her a nod, basically

738
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,920
saying OK, I agree, I
understand.

739
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,640
Hopper has made.
It very known and last in this

740
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,760
entire season.
He's not willing to.

741
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,760
Risk Elle he.
Doesn't want to lose.

742
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,520
Her he's willing to sacrifice
himself to make sure that she

743
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,480
stays safe I mean he he had a
bomb strapped to him in volume 1

744
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,320
and was going into what he
thought was kill Vecna now at

745
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,480
the beginning of volume 2 we see
them going to the little church

746
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,720
on in the upside down they.
Show us.

747
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,440
His bomb on the back of the
truck.

748
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,920
The mom is still there.
It's still, I'm assuming it can

749
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,680
still be used when Dustin says,
OK, when we're on our way back

750
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,200
from the Upside Down, we need to
drop a bomb in there and close

751
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,120
it all off.
That way none of that can get

752
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,240
through again.
I was like, OK, here we go,

753
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,760
Hopper.
And then we have a conversation

754
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,680
with Hopper and Joyce.
Hopper's like, I can't risk her,

755
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,000
I can't lose her.
I can't.

756
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:41,960
And the way he says I can't,
he's basically telling Joyce I'm

757
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,200
not about to lose another child.
I would do whatever I have to do

758
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,720
not to lose this child.
If that collar girl steps out of

759
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:50,720
line, I will kill her.
He's not going to.

760
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:56,400
Kill her, I will.
Not hesitate to kill her Hopper.

761
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,160
I think if he realizes that Elle
is going to try to sacrifice

762
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,800
herself, he is going to stay
behind with her because that way

763
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,600
now they can't use her.
To to continue.

764
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000
The program and Hopper has the
bomb.

765
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,040
He's probably the only one who
knows how.

766
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,320
Well, I won't say he's the only
one who knows how to use it, but

767
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,640
he built it so he's the best
person to know how to set it

768
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,720
off.
If L is up sacrificing herself,

769
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,560
he's going to stay behind with
her, right?

770
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,920
And the thing?
About it is what we would you

771
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,080
didn't think about I didn't
think.

772
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,440
About.
But you didn't.

773
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,120
But you didn't think about what
you didn't think about.

774
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,640
What you didn't think about was
in volume one.

775
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,880
A couple things you think about
in volume 1.

776
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,320
In volume 1.
He was literally really at peace

777
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,000
that he was going to blow it up
and that he got to see his

778
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,560
daughter.
It's it's going to happen.

779
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,160
Again, like he right now, yeah,
he loved Joyce, but if he can

780
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,640
see that, he can see that L is
safe and.

781
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,880
Taken care of and.
That he can see his daughter

782
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,680
again.
He's willing to go.

783
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,080
That is his happy ending.
Then he do.

784
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,640
Then he shows can find another
name.

785
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,600
My thing about it is he's.
Already done this.

786
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,840
He did it at the end of season
2, right?

787
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,840
Yeah, but this time he finally.
Dies.

788
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,280
He dies a good death.
Yeah, I'm pretty.

789
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,880
Sure he was.
Was that a Superman man?

790
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,800
Of steel a good death.
And possibly with.

791
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,440
His other daughter, right?
Really like honestly that we

792
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,680
keep seeing his daughter from
season 1.

793
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:42,960
So basically for him.
And I also feel like.

794
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,440
He thinks, like, I feel like
Hopper feels like this would be

795
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,920
his penance and this would be
his way from making up for

796
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,320
Sarah.
Because what?

797
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,120
What did we find out in last
season?

798
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:57,240
He felt guilty about Sarah
because he knew going into his

799
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:01,880
marriage that he should have
been having children because of

800
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,680
what they did to him in the
military.

801
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,680
So we already know that he feels
like he was the one that killed

802
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,600
her.
And that's one of the reasons

803
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:18,000
why he's so adamant about saving
I'll So yeah, if.

804
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,520
There are any?
Deaths, I think it probably will

805
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,840
be him and L and it will be them
together.

806
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,640
Now that's not to say I want
that because yes, I would love

807
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,440
for them to figure out a way to,
I don't know, come back and

808
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,160
everything's OK.
Maybe maybe when they get back,

809
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,440
maybe when they destroy Henry or
you know, restore his humanity

810
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,880
or whatever, maybe they find a
way to erase all of that from

811
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,680
them.
Maybe something in the abyss

812
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,320
will take that ability from
them.

813
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,040
Take, I don't know, take Henry's
blood out of them, make them

814
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,240
regular humans.
I don't know, maybe the

815
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:59,280
sacrifice of Kylie, because
Kylie is going to die, that much

816
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,360
I'm sure of.
But maybe whatever it is they do

817
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,920
to Vecna, what happened to L?
Maybe when they come back from

818
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,440
the abyss, L will be a regular
11 year old girl and and

819
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,400
everybody can live happily ever
after.

820
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,480
She can have a normal life
because if she comes back with

821
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,640
her powers and she has children,
those children might have the

822
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,040
same issue.
Not necessarily issues.

823
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:23,080
They might have the same powers,
they might have the same

824
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,680
abilities.
And then her children will be

825
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,400
talking.
They and then they were yeah,

826
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,680
they'll be targets.
So we have to figure that out.

827
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,840
They have to figure that out,
but they don't have to figure it

828
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,600
out because she can still be a
target and that can be something

829
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,200
in the future they can go back
to.

830
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,560
That's not really.
A happy ending because you were

831
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,720
constantly in the run.
Just take the problems from her

832
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,440
and let her come back to let her
come back to the right side up

833
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,480
as a regular girl.
Let her live her life with her

834
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,920
boyfriend and her her adoptive
father and her friends.

835
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,560
And let her go off and be
somewhere where there's at least

836
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,080
one waterfall and be done with
it, right?

837
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,080
Since we're on Hopper and 11,
I'll go with Harper.

838
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:11,600
I mean, it's not much to say for
him in this season that I mean,

839
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,480
that's volume that he's a great
dad.

840
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:19,280
Because you know that 8 is full
of shit, OK?

841
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,800
She's full of shit.
And you over there making all

842
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,160
the kind of facial expressions
every time she talks.

843
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,720
And I'm with you, Sir.
I like her creeping up behind

844
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,440
Ale.
I don't like the comments she

845
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,160
has.
I'm like you.

846
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,720
You only known her from now.
How we grew up together.

847
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,160
That was a long time ago.
That girl is different.

848
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:41,080
I really know her.
Like, we spent time in a cabin

849
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:46,400
alone, barely.
No television, no company for a

850
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,760
year.
Yeah.

851
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,600
And then a year again.
And currently, Come on.

852
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,040
Whatever.
But I'm not my only.

853
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,480
I feel like Kylie is full of
shit because I do believe that

854
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,560
she believes what she's telling
Ella's is true and I believe

855
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,960
that there is a a bit of truth
to it.

856
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,880
However.
It's I'm.

857
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,720
Still not.
I'm still not convinced that she

858
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,960
is.
On our side.

859
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,600
Quote UN quote, our team side.
There's something about her that

860
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,160
just don't seem right.
Yeah, and that's what he's

861
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,600
feeling.
So to me, that bitch got to go.

862
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,680
Yes, she does.
But Hopper, another thing that

863
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,640
people have pointed out is, Oh
my gosh, no one is saying that

864
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,720
he is alive.
Friends Hopper has, you know,

865
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:44,760
they have conversations outside
of what we see on the screen.

866
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,320
So they just told.
And when you're dealing with?

867
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,440
All of this stuff that you
dealing with and someone pops up

868
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,720
alive, you can be like, oh, the
Russians must have had them and

869
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,600
you wouldn't have like, oh, I'm,
I'm glad he's back.

870
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,280
No, I'm gonna be honest.
I don't think Hopper has told

871
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,640
anybody that he's alive because
he no, I'm, I'm talking about

872
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,680
the people who have seen him.
And there's been a lot of

873
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,960
comments like Max and say what
she needs to say about I'm like

874
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,320
those type of things.
But when you've been through

875
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,520
what they have been through and
then you see someone pop up,

876
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,920
it's not unbelievable, you know
what I'm saying?

877
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,840
And then there's conversations
outside of.

878
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,760
And then there's.
Conversations, well, they were

879
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:32,320
like Missus Wheeler, she
wouldn't have known but do you

880
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,040
think she care?
Do you think she care?

881
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,280
Missus?
Let's try this a box.

882
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,560
Do you think she care either?
So she's probably looking like

883
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,240
oh, but you know what?
Oh no, 'cause Hopper was and he

884
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,240
did come down to the hospital,
so.

885
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,840
Yeah.
They, they probably, again,

886
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,320
there's conversations that will
be had on the side and second of

887
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,400
all, what I have gone and been
through, is that the least of my

888
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,840
concerns to get on to?
Know what is going.

889
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,880
On right.
And.

890
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,400
Now, first of all, one Missus
Wheeler can barely talk, so in

891
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,320
her mind, she could be thinking,
oh, I thought that damn dude was

892
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,840
dead.
OK, maybe he's alive.

893
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,440
Didn't her next thought is why
to hear everybody at my house?

894
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,880
Don't he have a house somewhere
that they could have went to

895
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,480
see?
That would be the thought she

896
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,480
would have had.
No.

897
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,760
You know what she's probably
thinking when she's in that

898
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,720
hospital and she sees Hopper?
She's probably looking at him

899
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:29,320
and the fact that she just blew
up 3 demo dolls, She's probably

900
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,920
like, that's not the strangest
thing I've seen today, right?

901
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,600
That's what I'm saying.
End that out later.

902
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,200
Why they couldn't go live with
him?

903
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,880
Because there was too many damn
people in my house.

904
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,680
But she probably.
Figured, I mean, Hopper was

905
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,760
declared dead.
They probably sold his little

906
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,080
trailer that he was in in the
first season living somewhere.

907
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,960
He's showing up at the hospital.
He's clean and not dirty, so

908
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,520
he's somewhere you have to let
go.

909
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,840
That sometimes there are
conversations and then sometimes

910
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:01,600
you've been in situations where
you'd be like, oh shit, I didn't

911
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,800
know that, but we'll talk about
that later because that's not

912
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,560
what's important at the moment.
No, no.

913
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,040
But the other thing is if, OK,
so if we want to talk about

914
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,040
things that don't make sense or
whatever.

915
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,800
Whatever happened to Derek's
family?

916
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,360
This still.
This still bound.

917
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,480
Who's going to?
Go Who's going to go looking

918
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,120
for?
Probably.

919
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,880
Who?
Look, at this point, the

920
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,560
neighbor should have done a well
check.

921
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,080
We haven't seen the, I can't
remember what their last names

922
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,640
are, but we haven't seen them in
the last couple of days and the

923
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,760
police go in.
And and oh, the turnbows.

924
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,000
Yeah, and, and, and here they
are.

925
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,400
They go into the house and they
find a hole in the floor.

926
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,560
They find the wine cellar
wrecked.

927
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,400
They're probably like where are.
These people, I mean, but.

928
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,160
That's just what I was wondering
because I was like, y'all made a

929
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,400
very big scene of them being
kidnapped and that we we thought

930
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,600
about them.
I mean, I understand they're not

931
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,680
thinking about them.
They got bigger fish to fry.

932
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,120
But yeah, it would just be nice
to know what happened,

933
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,520
especially since Beckman used
them to threaten Derek when he

934
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,560
realized Derek was turning.
And the way he described them,

935
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,080
he was like, you're, what did he
say?

936
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,680
You're stupid, father, you're
full of a mother, and you're a

937
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,880
snake.
Your snake.

938
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,520
Of a mother snake.
Of a mother.

939
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,240
And you're something since I was
like, what does he have against

940
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:32,120
them?
Like he made it seem like it was

941
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,520
really personal.
Which also makes me.

942
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,880
Wonder because Derek's family is
comprised of the same makeup as

943
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,360
Henry's family was Mother, dad,
sister so.

944
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,960
I I don't.
Know, but yeah, I mean.

945
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,480
Hyper being alive.
Is not the the it's.

946
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,920
Not.
The shock or surprise that I

947
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,200
think it would be for anybody,
maybe maybe the Police

948
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,680
Department.
But like we said in our earlier

949
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,440
conversation today, we haven't
even seen the Police Department

950
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,720
in this season, which is weird
because they've been in every

951
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,680
season at least, you know,
freaking frack.

952
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,240
We haven't seen them at all.
So it's kind of like, did the

953
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:20,680
military kind of disband the
whole Police Department?

954
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,440
Like, yeah, we going, we going
to worry about this because even

955
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,880
if the Police Department goes
and investigates something

956
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,720
weird, if it has something to do
with what they're doing, the

957
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:34,120
military is just going to come
in and take over it anyway.

958
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,400
So they probably send them out
early retirement.

959
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,440
Like, you know what, we going to
send y'all out of the town,

960
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,240
don't come back.
Don't worry about your jobs

961
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,680
here.
We going to send you to the big

962
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:48,120
city, You get a big promotion or
something, I don't know, but OK.

963
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,680
So is there anything else we
need to say about Hopper right

964
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:59,640
now, aside from the fact that Li
think?

965
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,840
L We can.
We can sprinkle throughout this

966
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,920
episode because there's so many
different.

967
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,960
Parts that she kind of.
Goes into as far as like having

968
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,800
to go, having to go find Will
and all this other stuff.

969
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,880
So I but that's, but to be
completely honest, I don't have

970
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,880
much left to talk about with L.
And I know that was one of the

971
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,520
concerns that people did have
was it was so strong Elle and

972
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,320
they feel like she's taking a
back seat, but I'm like, I'm OK

973
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,080
with that because Will was in
the back seat.

974
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,680
So now Will is in the forefront
and Elle is supporting him

975
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,040
because honestly, we get to it.
This has been about characters,

976
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,000
but what did this show start
with?

977
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:43,520
It started with four boys.
The core group.

978
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,120
Right.
And.

979
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,440
That it's the core.
It's the core group.

980
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,600
So.
It's OK that AO isn't in the

981
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,800
forefront and first of all,
right now L is dealing with her

982
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,440
own issues that she has to deal
with.

983
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,200
And it's figuring out.
What she wants to do and making

984
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,080
that decision of how she's going
to move forward with her future.

985
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,200
So I don't got time for stuff
that that can be taken care of

986
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,080
by other people.
I do.

987
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,360
What I do?
And y'all do what y'all do.

988
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,360
So I need y'all to be some
people got to step up.

989
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,560
I'm like, damn, I've been doing
this for a long time.

990
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,680
Like step up and y'all stepped
up in the past.

991
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,160
It's time for y'all to step up.
She doesn't need to be in the

992
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,920
forefront.
No, now she got somebody to

993
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,520
share her load.
I mean, Will doesn't have powers

994
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,000
like she does, but he's he can
do some things.

995
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,680
He can do some things.
He just needs to now.

996
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,600
I mean, there is no time for
training because by the end of

997
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,880
volume to we are, we are at N6.
We are at the day that Beckman

998
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,080
is supposed to be merging these
worlds together.

999
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,320
So he doesn't really have time
to train, but he's gotten that

1000
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,920
confession out.
There's literally nothing else

1001
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,600
Beckman can hold over him.
Nothing.

1002
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,200
So yeah, let him share that
load.

1003
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:08,880
Let L kind of take a back seat
right now because again, if Elle

1004
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,400
ends up doing what Callie is
suggesting she does, she going

1005
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,560
to have her moment.
She'll have her moment.

1006
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,920
And she's had plenty of moments
over the last Four Seasons.

1007
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:26,720
So she I doing what she doing.
She she good, you know?

1008
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,240
We have other characters.
That we want to talk about and

1009
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,640
that we want to see have some
stuff going on and.

1010
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,760
Moving on to that.
I want to go to Dustin.

1011
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:44,280
OK, I'm so glad that.
Fight with him and Steve

1012
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,920
happened.
Because it needed to.

1013
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,280
Happen.
Yeah.

1014
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,760
Because I was.
I was.

1015
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,560
I couldn't see Dustin anymore
like that.

1016
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,040
It was bothering me.
It was.

1017
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,600
It was painful, yeah, very
painful just to see because he

1018
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,000
was always the kid that was just
so exciting.

1019
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:08,040
And he, like, was happy.
It's just a happy kid, yeah.

1020
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,560
And excited about.
Things and to see and then see

1021
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,360
how it affects him and Steve
relationship that really

1022
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:20,360
bothered me yeah and also for
for him in this season to talk

1023
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:24,440
about acting their ass off.
That scene.

1024
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,520
The scene with the fight and
then the scene where he keeps

1025
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:35,600
Steve from from the staircase
and basically keeps Steve from

1026
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,040
dying.
The acting in that was.

1027
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,960
Just so heartbreaking, but it
was so good.

1028
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,680
It was and then I like it was a
2 parter like Steve don't I

1029
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,480
can't have this happen again.
Like he literally can't have it

1030
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,400
again.
And that right there told me

1031
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,480
Steve will not die because if
you kill Steve like Dustin got

1032
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,920
to die like this boy will, his
life will be horrible for the

1033
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,560
rest of his life.
To lose 2 important people to

1034
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,920
him, he will have.
Abandoned me he would and then.

1035
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,040
Like he would not have good
relationships.

1036
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,280
No SO and I hope they think
about that.

1037
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,040
But again, we don't think anyone
died.

1038
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:23,560
But I'm not think about it.
I said them the Duffel brothers

1039
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,880
think.
About it so and then I like when

1040
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,040
Steve came back and then said
something to about how he felt

1041
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:37,160
and then he missed.
Yeah, I was like, this is so

1042
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:42,760
great because you got 2 two guys
who are being open and honest

1043
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,440
with their feelings, who are
like, OK, hey, yeah, I fucked

1044
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:46,680
up.
I did this.

1045
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:52,000
I said this, I acted this way
because when I was, you know, I

1046
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,120
was scared of losing another
person that I love, that I cared

1047
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,640
about, or because I was jealous
because I felt like I didn't

1048
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,120
have my best friend anymore.
You know there was.

1049
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,080
A lot of healthy conversations
in this, in this.

1050
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,080
Yeah, it was, it was.
And it and it's, it's, it's

1051
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:16,600
closure too, because one, the
growth of Dustin and then the

1052
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,800
growth of Steve, and then even
at the end coming back and them

1053
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,120
two, putting their ideas
together.

1054
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,600
And actually finally, you know,
I love that Steve had the the

1055
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,320
idea for the plan and the plan
was good and and it was good.

1056
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:39,720
Yeah, even Erica cosigned.
Oh yeah, we got to come back.

1057
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:44,520
To we, we got to come back to
Erica too, but yeah, yeah.

1058
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,000
That's and I like how.
Steve is like I really and I'm

1059
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,520
I'm tired of y'all people
talking about Nancy because I'm

1060
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,280
really not trying to get with
Nancy.

1061
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,080
I'm really being her friend and
they.

1062
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,880
Need to get their.
Stuff together over there, but

1063
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,520
I'm really just being her
friend, yeah.

1064
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,720
But I'm not trying.
To get with her either.

1065
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,160
I like it too because.
She hurt his future.

1066
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,000
He want, first of all, he know
he got to pick another woman to

1067
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,680
have some kids with Nuggets, you
know?

1068
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,160
What I'm saying?
He likes, he likes having those

1069
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,600
kids.
He complain about being the

1070
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,200
babysitter, but you want more
kids because you like that.

1071
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

1072
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,800
But also the whole thing with
Steve and Nancy, and just even

1073
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,520
with what happens with Jonathan
and Nancy later on.

1074
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,360
You have.
These are healthy relationships

1075
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,360
now, you know what I'm saying?
It's like Steve.

1076
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,880
Realizes.
OK, you know what?

1077
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,840
Yeah, I kind of sort of still
like Nancy, whatever, but she is

1078
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,880
my friend.
She is my friend first and

1079
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,040
foremost.
I'm going to be there for her.

1080
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,040
I'm going to try to protect her,
blah, blah, blah.

1081
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:58,440
And then also, let's face it,
out of the three, or rather the

1082
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,640
four adults, Nancy probably has
the most sense with Robin coming

1083
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,600
in a very close second.
Let's just be honest.

1084
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,520
Think about it.
When Steve got ready to punch

1085
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:13,000
through to the Upside Down,
Dustin and Jonathan are going

1086
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,920
back and forth, back and forth.
You can't do this, blah, blah,

1087
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,280
blah, blah, blah.
He looked at Nancy.

1088
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,280
Nancy was like, do it.
They need a cosigner, right?

1089
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:25,240
Because Nancy is very sure about
the things she does, even in

1090
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:29,080
this episode.
One thing that bothered me, you

1091
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:29,800
find.
Something.

1092
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,920
Weird on the roof and you don't
know what the fuck it is.

1093
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,240
Don't shoot it.
Don't.

1094
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,120
Don't do.
Anything that's so.

1095
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,720
Weird 'cause you it's like wait
wait.

1096
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,680
Until you find go get Dustin and
say look what we found.

1097
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:52,160
And then he would have been
like, don't shoot.

1098
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,400
I know what this is.
But also how do you not

1099
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,440
understand what he was saying on
the radio?

1100
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,560
Because I understood it very,
very well, even though it was

1101
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,680
crackling.
But you still don't shoot that

1102
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:04,920
shit.
I mean least all rock, even

1103
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,640
Jonathan was.
Like, Are you sure about this?

1104
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,760
She's like, no.
And you still pull the trigger.

1105
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,520
Now let's wait.
Can we wait 10 minutes, right?

1106
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:20,040
So because at this point waiting
another 10.

1107
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,680
Minutes ain't going.
It ain't going to hurt.

1108
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,920
You know, you know.
Dustin and Steve are in the

1109
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,320
building.
All you have to do is just.

1110
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:33,160
If if you can't if you can't get
them on the radio, open.

1111
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:34,560
The door and yell.
Down to them.

1112
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:41,240
Hey, we.
Something because yeah, I just.

1113
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,520
I had, I had a problem with
that.

1114
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,000
But again, Nancy was When Nancy
makes a decision, she makes a

1115
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,400
decision.
She doesn't go back and forth.

1116
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:59,440
She doesn't, him and her, but
yeah, yeah, we're going back to

1117
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:03,840
the whole Steven Dustin thing.
Dustin needed that.

1118
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,400
Release and the one thing I
liked about it even when Dustin

1119
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,520
got violent when he was trying
to fight Steve when he was when

1120
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,480
he was like you know letting.
Out all.

1121
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:21,160
This anger, Steve, even though
we've seen Steve get mad and

1122
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,040
fight back, Steve didn't try to
fight back.

1123
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,480
I think he knew at that point
Dustin needed this release.

1124
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,120
Dustin needed to do something.
And I.

1125
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,360
Feel like he kind.
Of baited him for that reason.

1126
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,240
Maybe I'm maybe.
I'm giving him too much credit.

1127
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,000
You giving him too much credit.
But I think he knew.

1128
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,040
At that point, like something
has got to give or else all of

1129
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,320
this is going to go to shit.
Well, well.

1130
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:45,680
Let me not.
Say you giving him too much

1131
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,640
credit.
I think you're right that.

1132
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,120
I don't think he.
Realized what was happening

1133
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,480
until it started happening.
Like yeah he baited him, but I

1134
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,480
don't think he baited him for
for Destin to blow off any

1135
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,800
steam.
I think he was being Steve.

1136
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,960
And then once it started, he
realized, oh, he's he.

1137
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:07,760
Something's really going on with
him.

1138
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,080
Yeah, right.
Because he really didn't.

1139
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:10,600
Fight him, yeah, Because he.
He.

1140
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,400
Because at Wolfman, he's like,
OK, hold on, wait, wait, wait,

1141
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,360
stop, stop.
You know he because he.

1142
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,080
Realized what was happening,
yeah.

1143
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,920
But I don't think.
He I don't think he was baiting

1144
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,680
him to give him the goat to do
that.

1145
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:25,160
I think he was baiting him
because he's still here.

1146
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,800
Yeah, they.
Had to go back and forth and he

1147
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,000
really was done, Yeah, and he
told.

1148
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,840
But then he realized.
Told some things he shouldn't

1149
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,320
have.
Said out loud and he was like oh

1150
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,320
wait, this.
Is more than what what I thought

1151
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,320
it was and that's why he didn't
fight back, you know, because he

1152
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,400
was throwing him around.
He's like, OK, that's that's

1153
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,000
enough chill out.
That's enough.

1154
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,840
I get it.
Yeah, as he's tossing him

1155
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,200
around.
Well, and it wasn't even.

1156
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,520
It wasn't even really tossing
him around like he was trying to

1157
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,040
stop Dustin.
He was then he.

1158
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,320
Did push him off a couple.
He did push him off a couple of

1159
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,480
times.
Like, OK, get off me first,

1160
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,120
yeah.
But I'm glad he got.

1161
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,520
That out of system because then
when the next thing comes and

1162
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,320
Steve is like, look, I'm going
to try to save them blah blah

1163
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,280
blah.
He was like, no, you can't do

1164
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,600
this.
Stop being selfish.

1165
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,400
I just and it's almost.
Like I almost feel like maybe

1166
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:22,240
Dustin.
Dustin.

1167
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,720
Unconsciously was pushing him
away.

1168
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,440
No, I think he was.
Consciously doing it, I think he

1169
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,040
was.
I think he was doing.

1170
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,240
It because he was.
Saying he didn't want.

1171
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:34,840
To He didn't want to lose
anybody.

1172
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,400
And here's the thing with I
think Dustin is smart.

1173
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,800
Enough to know that he, I think
Dustin, realized that's what he

1174
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,280
was doing, but I'm saying why
when he was doing it.

1175
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,400
I don't know if he was
consciously aware that he was.

1176
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,640
That he was pushing.
He's probably, I don't, I don't

1177
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,640
know if he was pitching all the
way, but he definitely was

1178
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,880
pushing Steve away.
But I don't know if he was

1179
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,560
actively doing it on purpose.
I don't think he made.

1180
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,920
I don't think he made a
conscious effort to do that.

1181
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,680
I think he just in, I think in
his mind he was like, you know

1182
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,760
what, I got this other thing I
want to do, deal with these

1183
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,360
bullies and focus on that and
not worry about Steve and not

1184
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,080
really understand what was
happening.

1185
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,760
Deep on the deeper.
Level.

1186
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,280
He didn't until then.
Not until.

1187
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,760
Then not until then.
Right then he realized where

1188
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,080
that was.
Yeah, he.

1189
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:26,120
Was realizing where they're
coming.

1190
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,640
From because he said I miss.
My friend, he's like, I miss you

1191
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:29,800
too, you know?
Yeah.

1192
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,080
So I don't think he consciously
was doing it.

1193
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,640
I just think it was unconscious
like.

1194
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,160
We do we do that those things
right which.

1195
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,480
Is if Steve?
Dies he he's going to do that in

1196
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,680
relationships and not knowing
that he won't.

1197
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,840
Commit to a relationship.
Because he's his fear of losing

1198
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:49,960
someone.
So he was doing a lot of things

1199
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,200
and then he wanted to fight.
He had a lot of anger.

1200
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,720
He needed to get it out.
So that's what his whole issue

1201
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,040
with the bullies were.
He was still connecting with his

1202
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:07,520
friends, but he was still
holding them at a arm's reach.

1203
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,960
But not all the time.
I think he did a lot more with

1204
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:17,280
Steve because Steve does things
that will cause him to die, and

1205
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,920
he did.
Say you always got to be the

1206
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:21,960
hero, right?
And that that.

1207
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,880
Is the that is the thing?
Like he's also mad at Steve

1208
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,920
because Steve didn't save Eddie
but then Eddie saved Steve but

1209
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,560
then Steve was right about
Eddie.

1210
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,160
Like y'all didn't really have to
do that.

1211
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,760
Eddie was supposed to protect.
You and and this is what

1212
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,360
happened and it happens because
Steve does the same thing and it

1213
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:47,640
works out for him but it didn't
work out for Eddie and Dustin

1214
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:52,000
knows that he knows that Lucas
is going to do so much Lucas was

1215
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,200
going to be all right Max is
going to be all right now Max

1216
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,720
I'm sorry Mike is going to be
all right all right and Will's

1217
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:02,040
going to be all right but.
Steve.

1218
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,240
Yes, a lot of it was pent up
towards Steve and.

1219
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,160
Then to.
Get it all out the bullies so he

1220
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:14,560
had to interact with them and he
figured that out when.

1221
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:16,760
Steve was about.
To do something that will cause

1222
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,840
him to actually die.
And you're faced with that.

1223
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,399
Truth.
Yeah.

1224
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,960
I kind of feel like I.
Feel like he was.

1225
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,960
Conscious of what he was doing
simply because.

1226
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:34,080
And I think it was easier.
For him to push Steve away and

1227
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,920
be like, OK, you know what?
I can keep him at arm's length,

1228
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,200
but at least at arm's length, I
can still see him.

1229
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:45,760
I still like there's not as much
of a chance of him.

1230
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,960
Maybe me losing.
Him because I, I guess he felt

1231
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,520
he could have felt like if he
pushes Steve away, Steve will

1232
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,600
kind of disengage from that
whole group and all the stuff

1233
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:01,359
that they do and he'll be safe.
And I think.

1234
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,080
Again, I think a lot of it too,
has to go back to Dustin having

1235
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,560
a lot of of guilt.
I think he felt guilty about

1236
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,840
Eddie.
Some of that guilt.

1237
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,960
Transferred to the whole Steve
thing and.

1238
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,840
I think he was.
Just kind of like, OK, you know

1239
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,920
what?
I'm just going to keep him right

1240
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,640
here.
And I'm just.

1241
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,880
Going to shout at him and I'm
just going to, you know, make

1242
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,880
him not want to be around me and
he'll be OK.

1243
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,640
At least I'll know he'll be OK.
I might miss him, but he'll be

1244
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:35,359
OK.
You've given him too much credit

1245
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:38,120
for his age.
Hanukkah, honestly, or even

1246
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,640
1817.
I remember it's like being 1617,

1247
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:43,680
right?
But you don't consciously say

1248
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,120
I'm pushing someone away.
Yes, you do.

1249
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,399
If you're dealing with grief.
Again, I've, I've been there at

1250
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:50,359
that age.
I have too.

1251
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:51,800
But I'm like working with
people.

1252
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,520
You do little things like we all
do things.

1253
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,480
And when you look at the whole
picture, you are pushing people

1254
01:09:57,480 --> 01:09:58,960
away.
There's some things he's saying

1255
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:00,720
that he's doing that he's
pushing away.

1256
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,760
But a lot of the stuff he was
doing, he was doing, he was

1257
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:09,160
doing out of his anger and his
grief, but not knowing that that

1258
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,200
is causing you to further put a
rift in your relationship with

1259
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,240
someone else.
I don't know, I, I, I don't

1260
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,720
think he woke up this morning
and say, I'm going to keep

1261
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,000
pushing Steve away.
No, I think that's but when

1262
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,640
Steve comes in, his Steve comes
around you, you start feeling

1263
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,000
certain things and you start
saying different things.

1264
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:34,760
That's going to cause you to
have a separation, you guys,

1265
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,360
because you gotta disagree,
right?

1266
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,560
Because you even look at the
scenes I told him and I said,

1267
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,000
look at the scenes when they're
all in the woods.

1268
01:10:41,480 --> 01:10:45,240
Like there was even a moment
where he was playing with his

1269
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,720
friends and you can see the old
Dustin.

1270
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,680
And then as soon as they
separated, he went right back.

1271
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,040
And he probably didn't even
realized.

1272
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,440
And people probably didn't even
realize if you looked at that

1273
01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:01,440
scene after they said what they
need to do when he was all being

1274
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:03,320
serious.
And then they start joking

1275
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:07,000
around, jumping on each other,
tossing each other in the woods

1276
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,120
and like you can see the old
him.

1277
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,920
And then as soon as they
separated, he went back to

1278
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,840
everything, that weight being
back on him.

1279
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:24,680
OK, I I still.
Think that I'm going to add.

1280
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,760
Him to to to the therapy list
for next.

1281
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:33,560
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, He still he.
Still needs it, even though he

1282
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,440
had his little conversation with
Steve.

1283
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,600
But that was that was a lot.
And then the thing about it is

1284
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,840
we don't know like.
I like.

1285
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,560
What the kids even said in the
interview.

1286
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,640
Like, we don't even know how
Will was before season 1.

1287
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:57,120
Yeah, we don't know how what
Dustin was already dealing with

1288
01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:00,760
with having a single mom.
Like, how did he have a single

1289
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,960
mom?
Where is his dad?

1290
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,880
What issues did he already have
Lonnie somewhere?

1291
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:14,040
You know what I'm just saying
because Lonnie Byers was a, he

1292
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:18,760
was a, he was a shitty dad.
And unfortunately, yeah, 'cause

1293
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:23,600
he's just, he's just like Will.
But it's like different, you see

1294
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,640
what I'm saying?
Like it's it's different on how

1295
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:31,360
that looks like.
Somehow Dustin have money but

1296
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:35,800
not have money.
His Mama ain't working like

1297
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:41,040
Joyce is working and and and and
Dustin to key thing Dustin get

1298
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,080
to go to camp.
That's true.

1299
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,080
Out of out of state.
Yeah.

1300
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,160
OK, Yeah.
Now he may have got a sponsor,

1301
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,600
but he is his his his household
is a little different.

1302
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,040
And now I'm starting to wonder,
where is his Mama?

1303
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,160
Sitting at home answering the.
Phone a new cat.

1304
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,240
They got her another cat after
that sitting at home answering

1305
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,200
the phone.
Because we, we at least know,

1306
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,440
you know, because I think when
Dustin missed the squawk, they

1307
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:12,280
called, they called his house
looking for him.

1308
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,840
They was like, I just talked to
Dustin's mom.

1309
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:16,480
She hasn't heard from him
either.

1310
01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,080
So we know she she's somewhere.
She's sitting over there with

1311
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:20,800
the cat.
You sit on that couch with that

1312
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:24,280
cat.
I can't I.

1313
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,240
Just can't.
But we don't know.

1314
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:30,080
Like we don't know his, like his
history.

1315
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:34,200
Like we got Steve's history.
We.

1316
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,440
No, we really.
Don't have Steve's history, do

1317
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:37,800
we?
Like we don't know nothing about

1318
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:38,960
Steve's family.
What?

1319
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:40,640
What's going on with Steve's
family?

1320
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,800
Because I don't remember.
His dad is.

1321
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:48,120
Hard on him but they are not
around a lot and when his.

1322
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,200
Dad goes.
Out of town his mom goes trying

1323
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,640
to keep up with him because he
may have gotten into some

1324
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:56,160
things.
Oh, OK.

1325
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:01,200
I don't remember that, but OK.
He he kind of said it when they

1326
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,560
came to his house.
Like his dad went out of town

1327
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,680
and his mom had to go, you know?
Like.

1328
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:08,440
Trying to watch.
His dad.

1329
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,720
And that is that expects him to
be almost like in the family

1330
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:18,600
business like with the uncle and
then they kind of like was not.

1331
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,040
Let the parents of that.
Time they wasn't really

1332
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:27,440
involved, but was on hard on him
to follow in their footsteps.

1333
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:35,040
You know, be popular, be the
popular, be the job, Yeah.

1334
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,120
Follow along you.
Know it wasn't expected for him

1335
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,200
to go to college expecting
goodness to the business, right,

1336
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:42,840
right.
OK, because he mentioned that,

1337
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:44,800
too.
I do remember that part.

1338
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:45,520
Yeah.
Yeah.

1339
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:51,440
So for him wanting a family, a
big family, is because of his

1340
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:55,240
interaction with the kids.
And then he realized he actually

1341
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,040
like it.
You know, he complaints all the

1342
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:02,560
time about it, but he likes, he
really likes being in a family.

1343
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:03,680
Yeah.
Nancy's.

1344
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,160
Never going to want kids 'cause
she's got not right.

1345
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,920
Now, OK, that's her half her
career.

1346
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:17,400
Maybe one or two, one or two,
one or two like.

1347
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,040
I don't need no children.
I have raised children.

1348
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:24,960
I Yeah.
Right.

1349
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,200
On the other hand, I got Nancy's
future.

1350
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,680
Well, I got Nancy's future.
So Dustin is going to have his

1351
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,880
six kids and he's going to name
Will Mike Lucas, right, Dustin,

1352
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:42,040
right, Matt, right.
He's going to have he's going to

1353
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:46,360
have a fun loving like wife and
stuff.

1354
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:52,280
He is going to still be in
contact with Robin and who she's

1355
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,880
with.
I'm not saying who's Auntie

1356
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,200
Robin to the.
Kids right she go.

1357
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:02,040
You know, and he gonna have to
explain to his wife why you

1358
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,120
don't have to worry about Robin
in our relationship.

1359
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,320
I think she'll figure.
It out every time Auntie Robin

1360
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:12,120
comes around, auntie Susan comes
around and.

1361
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:17,880
Well, she may not see Robin.
Robin is not going to be with

1362
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,560
Vicki.
But yeah, Robin's not going to

1363
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,240
be with Vicki.
So yeah.

1364
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:27,640
And then Robin's.
Not going to be with Vicki, No,

1365
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,600
that's a goal.
Study I don't know but yeah

1366
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,280
that's just one of those that's
that's like a first love and

1367
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:37,240
she's always going to have fond
memories of her but we'll get to

1368
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:42,840
that one but and then Dustin is
going to like the kids all know

1369
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:48,600
Dustin like they need they need
work with a man prom right and

1370
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,240
and one of Steve Kidd is going
to be super intelligent that

1371
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,600
Dustin's going to take.
I'd be like, let him.

1372
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,000
Spend a week with me and they be
doing all kind of experiments

1373
01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:02,240
because, yeah, because Dustin's
going to be a professor.

1374
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,880
OK, I can see.
That he going to be a professor

1375
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,520
and he's going to do research
and some for a company that he

1376
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,120
owns.
OK, that's going to give us

1377
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:17,640
iPhones.
This is a Michelle.

1378
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,480
Thing where she likes to she
likes.

1379
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,000
To plan everybody's future,
that's the plan, everybody.

1380
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,200
'S future after movies and TV
shows going better give me that.

1381
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,720
The inherited thing just
continues.

1382
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,680
On OK, go ahead well she.
Mentioned professors, Let's talk

1383
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,160
about Mr. Clark, because I'm so
glad that Mister Clark is

1384
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,400
finally in the know, right?
And I, I'm sorry, when I called

1385
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,360
the minister Scott earlier, yes,
this is fantastic.

1386
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,720
This is the best day of his
life.

1387
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,880
It's the best day of the year.
You know the one.

1388
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,880
Thing I want.
To say about about Mr. Clark is

1389
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:57,240
yes, Nichols.
On Michelle's. 3rd viewing of

1390
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,200
the episode I realized, oh, the
librarian called him Nichols.

1391
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,320
That's where he got it from.
And I was like, oh.

1392
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,680
That's where he got it from.
And then, oh, side note, didn't

1393
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,000
Hopper also date the librarian
too?

1394
01:18:13,480 --> 01:18:16,680
Yeah, I think.
So yeah, but you know what in a?

1395
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:20,880
Town that small, There's going
to be some old man first.

1396
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,840
Of all when they.
Came to Mr. Clark another time.

1397
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,800
He had another woman.
Mr. Clark is the pimp.

1398
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,240
Oh so.
OK, So what I wanted to say

1399
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:33,200
about Mr. Clark is he made me
think that, you know, I felt

1400
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,480
really bad that Bob is not
around because Bob and Mr. Clark

1401
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:39,200
would have had a lot of this
stuff figured out.

1402
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:40,680
Yeah.
Once.

1403
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,640
Once they were in the.
Know they've been not clear.

1404
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,560
Mr. Clark, I.
Wasn't trying to imply.

1405
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:51,320
That as I'm saying yeah, if Bob
when he's like yeah, he's in the

1406
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,560
know now and and you know Bob
rest in peace with it would have

1407
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,520
been they they would have made a
good team yeah, if he.

1408
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,200
Was still around.
And then the thing.

1409
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,360
About what I like about Mr.
Clark is, and I think we should

1410
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:09,120
do this in life when
opportunities open up, don't be

1411
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:11,560
hesitant.
Just go with it.

1412
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,280
Just go with it because you
never know what that will lead

1413
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,680
you to.
And for Mr. Clark, like

1414
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:22,320
literally we making jokes like
this is the best day of his

1415
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,440
life, right?
Like stuff that you like thought

1416
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:31,560
of and you read about and you
know of you saw something.

1417
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:36,040
You got to see.
And experience, experience some

1418
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,200
things that you no other person
could possibly.

1419
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:42,720
So instead of those times when
people like, hey, you want to go

1420
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:47,600
here or go there or try this and
like, no, no, no, I got to stay

1421
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,520
home with the librarian.
No, don't be knocking on my door

1422
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,200
at 5:15 in the morning.
Just say just go with it.

1423
01:19:55,480 --> 01:19:57,320
As long as it doesn't seem that
dangerous.

1424
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,520
Everyone, I don't want you to
commit to something that may

1425
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,440
cause some life harm, but just
go with it.

1426
01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:04,680
Opportunity arrived.
Guys go with it because you

1427
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,040
never know where it's going to
take you, Yeah.

1428
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,880
But now at.
Least he has answers like oh

1429
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:15,000
This is why they've been asking
me strange stuff over the last.

1430
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,440
Yeah, because you got to.
Think for somebody like him, you

1431
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:25,240
have a student who disappeared,
was presumed dead, came back to

1432
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,880
life or returned, or whatever
the case may be.

1433
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:32,320
I'm sure he had some questions.
Then you have all of this.

1434
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,960
Other stuff, them calling asking
him about an immersion tank and

1435
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:40,840
if we wanted to do this and he's
like OK 600 y'all need ��600 of

1436
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,880
salt and all this other stuff.
Now he can sit back and think

1437
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:50,480
like.
This is what they were doing and

1438
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:53,000
he can actually.
I think in a lot of ways he can

1439
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,800
feel proud and, and really feel
like he's a part of that because

1440
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,920
he was one of the reasons why
they have an interest in all

1441
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:06,680
that stuff or he nurtured that
part of them, you know, but the

1442
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,320
fact that he's in it and, and
the other crazy thing is he went

1443
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,800
and did it all.
Because he.

1444
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,600
He.
Heard his star student was in

1445
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,680
trouble.
He didn't know about anything

1446
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:19,200
yet.
Because when he finally does

1447
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:21,560
show up and meet up with the
rest of the game and they were

1448
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:25,600
like, yeah, Dustin's in under.
And he was like under, they're

1449
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,400
looking at Erica.
Like you didn't tell him.

1450
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,560
And she's probably looking at
them like, well, I didn't know

1451
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,480
if I should.
I didn't know if I could.

1452
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:32,920
I didn't know if I was supposed
to.

1453
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,640
Like I told him the information
he needed in order to do what we

1454
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:42,880
needed him to do right.
So and then he has another

1455
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:47,560
another star studio with him.
He was like all in Erica.

1456
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:54,320
Yes, let's talk about Erica.
Well, Mr. Clark.

1457
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,320
Survives.
Oh, absolutely.

1458
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:03,280
He writes a book and probably
goes on look and probably goes

1459
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,160
on the speaking circuit, yeah.
Talking.

1460
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:07,760
And they might.
So where you know that from?

1461
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,240
I don't know.
I just more information.

1462
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,440
I know about wormholes, right?
Yeah.

1463
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:15,880
He's going to become a famous
science fiction author.

1464
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,120
There you go.
But Erica Sinclair.

1465
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,800
So I read.
Something on Twitter.

1466
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,720
That really had me.
Confused and and a little bit

1467
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:33,880
perturbed because somebody made
the statement that Holly Wheeler

1468
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,680
has had more character
development in seven episodes

1469
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,480
that Erica Sinclair has had in
the entire show.

1470
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:45,160
And I'm looking at her like, are
we watching the same show?

1471
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,760
Because Erica Sinclair don't
really need character

1472
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,320
development.
Like character development is

1473
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,520
what happens when you take a
character and you give them

1474
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,600
story and you give them back
story and you give them a art

1475
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,000
and it kind of develops who they
become.

1476
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,720
Erica Sinclair has been Erica
Sinclair since day one.

1477
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,920
Since we met her.
She has been sassy, she has been

1478
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:15,480
smart, she has been confident,
she has stood up for herself.

1479
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,480
She like.
What more?

1480
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:23,120
Development do you need to have
for her and and she did have

1481
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:29,120
some development because she was
able to also dusting basically.

1482
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,960
Was like.
Just embrace that you are

1483
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,360
extremely smart.
Just embrace it.

1484
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,920
Add it on.
You are a nerd.

1485
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:39,600
And then?
After that, she.

1486
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,360
Was like, you know what, you
right I am because I'm smarter

1487
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,360
than some of these dumb mobile
phones around here.

1488
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,000
And she just in essence, she
just added that on.

1489
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,800
So she says, you know what, I'm
going to be the one sitting in

1490
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:53,720
the front of the room in Mr.
Clark class.

1491
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:56,640
And enjoying.
Wormholes.

1492
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:01,000
So we were watching the.
Battle of star core episode and

1493
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,680
Erica because they were doing
the plan and Erica was like

1494
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:10,040
their plan sucks.
Y'all are going to die and her

1495
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:16,160
interaction, her interaction
with Murray and I'm 10, your

1496
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:17,200
ball.
Back.

1497
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,400
She said so many.
Out of pocket things to him, I'm

1498
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,720
like, Oh my God, that was so
uncalled for.

1499
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:29,760
But she doesn't care.
She doesn't care about your

1500
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,640
feelings.
At all.

1501
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:34,480
I mean.
Even in front.

1502
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:37,840
Of her parents her parents were
like Erica stating the facts

1503
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:41,600
like.
Eric, I mean.

1504
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,800
Notice out of all of those
little kids, even though now

1505
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:48,680
she's older, ain't nobody messed
with Erica, ain't nobody came

1506
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,920
close to missing messing with
Erica, no.

1507
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:57,720
And people have.
Timed the volume 1 episode where

1508
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,360
she told them y'all got one
minute.

1509
01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:02,200
People have actually timed it
and it's been fun.

1510
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,760
Exactly 1 minute yes.
Uh huh.

1511
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,240
It's been one minute.
Yep.

1512
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:14,120
So, but yeah.
I heard her coming through first

1513
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,160
of all in volume one with the
syringe.

1514
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,400
We we've already talked about
that and then just in this one

1515
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,280
like she.
Is she?

1516
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:27,520
Is one of the people that I
think has been valuable to the

1517
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,800
group, and even in this episode
or in this volume when they're

1518
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,680
trying to figure out the plan,
she and Lucas go off to do 2

1519
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,280
separate things.
We have two.

1520
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:39,920
Separate.
Epiphanies and come back

1521
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,840
together and they're like, oh,
OK, let's see which one of us is

1522
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,720
the smartest Sinclair.
OK, here's my plan, blah blah

1523
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,920
blah blah blah.
Well here's my plan and it's a

1524
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,800
better.
I loved it.

1525
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:53,400
Yeah, he said.
My plan is bigger, better,

1526
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,480
older.
Yeah, going back to his New Coke

1527
01:25:57,480 --> 01:26:00,040
speech.
In volume.

1528
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:03,560
Three I mean season 3, but but.
I mean I.

1529
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:08,160
I love that character.
I love the fact that she is a

1530
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,800
cute little black girl.
She doesn't apologize for her

1531
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,800
cuteness.
She doesn't apologize for her

1532
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,800
brain.
She doesn't apologize for her

1533
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,880
mouth.
She was like, look, this is me.

1534
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:22,720
This is who I am and I'm not
going to apologize for it.

1535
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:26,480
I love it.
And the fact that she's.

1536
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,640
Right.
At least 90.

1537
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:34,160
Percent of the time that she
says anything, I mean, it could

1538
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,000
be something big, like the plan
she made in volume to where it

1539
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,360
can be something small, like you
can't spell America without

1540
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:42,040
Erica.
I was like, wait, what?

1541
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,480
I love it.
Yes, for.

1542
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:50,240
Me, I love that character and
she definitely will not be dying

1543
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:51,880
in in this she.
Won't.

1544
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,480
She Won't.
She won't.

1545
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,800
She'll run a Fortune 500
company.

1546
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,120
No, no, no, she will.
Own a Fortune 500.

1547
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:05,160
OK, you saw where?
She was when Vacna came out of

1548
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,320
the portal and killed all the
military people.

1549
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,240
She was a back tower.
She was.

1550
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:13,520
Understanding everything.
Exactly.

1551
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:19,000
She probably said Nope.
But they probably.

1552
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,240
Also wasn't going to put her in
that position and I don't think

1553
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:24,960
she's not going to do that.
I'm just saying.

1554
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,520
She wouldn't even.
They weren't going to send her

1555
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:32,320
to the Upside Down because, I
mean, granted, she just learned

1556
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,160
about the Upside Down last year,
you know?

1557
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,080
And then also, she's younger
than them.

1558
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,000
She's still middle school age,
technically.

1559
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:42,000
So yeah, I don't think they
would have done that.

1560
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:47,480
But oh, Speaking of, Oh no.
I wasn't talking about when they

1561
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:49,560
went until sat down.
I was saying when Victoria and

1562
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,400
they came out of the portal in
the battle, she was up in the

1563
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,240
tower.
They should have been there.

1564
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,360
She was up in the tower.
But she should have been down.

1565
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,520
There because one, that is one
kid.

1566
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,680
He was not going to say, oh,
she's weak, let me take her.

1567
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,520
No, no.
She's also.

1568
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,760
Older than than his target
demographic.

1569
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,640
Yeah, I know.
But I'm just saying no.

1570
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:11,200
None.
Other times.

1571
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,520
Yeah.
Yeah, when?

1572
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,840
He was going.
Through the town, that house he

1573
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:21,600
just skipped over, yeah, he was
like to get it, I'm done, 'cause

1574
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,600
even Lucas is not that type of
kid either.

1575
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,040
So.
I forget that.

1576
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:33,200
Household, yeah, Yeah.
But Speaking of the Upside Down,

1577
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,960
I think, Michelle, I think you
might have mentioned this.

1578
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,520
Is it true that that really was
Mike's first time in the Upside

1579
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:46,480
Down?
Yeah, that seems so.

1580
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:50,600
Strange look then that means
that would be Lucas's first time

1581
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,240
too, right?
He didn't go.

1582
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:53,920
He didn't go.
No, he didn't go.

1583
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,640
He's.
He's not on the truck, is he?

1584
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,680
Now he will.
Be his first time.

1585
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,800
He didn't go.
Yeah, he's on the truck.

1586
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,400
He didn't go when they went.
Oh, when they went to all your

1587
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:04,480
desks.
No, he was with.

1588
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:06,600
Matt Yeah.
So he didn't go, but he's on the

1589
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,880
truck now.
But now that's his first time.

1590
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,000
First time.
So Matt, his first time to be

1591
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,440
the only person who hasn't been
now, Yeah.

1592
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:17,440
Yeah, wow.
But yeah, that.

1593
01:29:17,480 --> 01:29:21,240
Was when they went when Erica.
You count Erica.

1594
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:26,440
Erica has been there.
When that's right.

1595
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,400
No, Erica.
Robin has been.

1596
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,160
Murray hasn't been.
No, Murray.

1597
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,760
Hasn't been, but then that was
his first time.

1598
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,920
Robin has been.
Yeah, Robin was.

1599
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:45,520
In there a long time in season 4
yeah yeah, she was she was here

1600
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:51,840
with Steve yeah but Mike cause
Mike when they went to.

1601
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,880
No, Mike did.
Where did it?

1602
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,480
Go where did.
It go, it was just a little.

1603
01:30:01,480 --> 01:30:05,000
Bit meaning it wasn't the upside
down, but it had the atmosphere,

1604
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,040
the upside down and that was
when they were in the tunnel.

1605
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:11,160
So he just had no but adjacent
because it still had the

1606
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:16,040
floating particles.
So, but for him, that would be

1607
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,400
the closest.
Yeah, close.

1608
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:24,360
But no cigar.
But it was still part of the No,

1609
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,560
it wasn't.
Part of the upside down.

1610
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,720
It had the upside down.
Particles, yeah, but so does

1611
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,040
Hawkins.
Well, now it did, but.

1612
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,520
Back then it did.
I'm just saying close.

1613
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,000
That's the only time.
If people came at you, they may

1614
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,160
bring up the fact that he was in
the tunnels, Max.

1615
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,000
Was only in there in her mind.
She wasn't in there.

1616
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,720
Well then Max was in the.
Tunnels honestly too because she

1617
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,960
drove them to the tunnels.
She was in the tunnels too.

1618
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,560
But officially this is Max.
Hey I'm I'm with you.

1619
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,720
This is Max first time.
But the argument could be made

1620
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,880
about the tunnels.
No, it can't be.

1621
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,240
No, because I'm just saying
because of the partner.

1622
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:07,080
Clearly.
On your side agreeing.

1623
01:31:07,080 --> 01:31:08,760
I'm just saying so like it
happens.

1624
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:10,840
It doesn't.
Sound like it?

1625
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,360
I'm giving you the backup.
So someone says something to

1626
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:16,440
you.
You have the the and the history

1627
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:18,880
that they were.
OK, so let's talk about the

1628
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,160
tunnels.
Let's talk about the tunnels,

1629
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,040
because we find out in volume to
that Will is the one who

1630
01:31:24,040 --> 01:31:27,040
actually built the tunnels.
Because Becca.

1631
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:31,960
Used him as his vessel.
And builder, He called him his.

1632
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:36,920
Builder and that's.
Why the upside sound date is the

1633
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:39,640
date that Will was missing.
You're right y'all, he.

1634
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:43,760
Has been abusing it, but he was
his builder, his spy, his

1635
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,200
vessel.
He has assaulted that.

1636
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:49,720
Boy since season 1, right?
Which is why.

1637
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:54,880
It it it's only fitting.
That will does.

1638
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,600
What he does so.
So let me tell you.

1639
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,240
The scene.
Where Max and Holly are trying

1640
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,560
to escape.
And Vechner comes.

1641
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,160
After them first.
Of all.

1642
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:13,280
That little scene at the top
where Vechner changes in between

1643
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:18,120
all his different personalities
and then he ends up as as one

1644
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:21,200
looking at them.
I don't know what the fuck Jamie

1645
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:28,800
Cambellbower does with his face.
But I was scared.

1646
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:36,680
That scene was so creepy and
then for Will to be in his mind

1647
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:38,640
and.
Again, this is.

1648
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,920
Him tapping into the hive mind.
He's going after Vecna.

1649
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,280
The things that he.
Was doing when he grabbed hold

1650
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:50,400
of Vecna and he started doing
this like he was twisting a jar

1651
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,840
a top off a jar.
I was like is he really about to

1652
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,320
try to break his neck?
Yes he was really trying to

1653
01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:02,720
break Vec Vecna's neck broke his
leg was doing all this stuff and

1654
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:06,280
I was just like are y'all really
going to kill Beckman this I was

1655
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,240
like y'all can't it's too it's
too early but then I started

1656
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,400
thinking I was like well they.
Keep saying that.

1657
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,640
There's another big bad bigger
than Vecna.

1658
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:20,280
So I was like, OK, maybe
they're.

1659
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:21,920
Killing Vecna.
Now and they're going to give us

1660
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:26,520
the big or bad, but that whole
scene with Will and Vecna and

1661
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:30,520
and Will kind of taking control
of Vecna's body, being able to

1662
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:34,280
talk through Vecna to warn Max.
Hey, you need to run.

1663
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:37,760
The fact that Max was sitting
there looking like what?

1664
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:42,920
No, he he would not had to have
repeated himself the first time.

1665
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,240
He said, Max, if you can hear
me, you need to run.

1666
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,440
That would have been like, it's
time to go up and gone.

1667
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:53,200
It's time to go.
You don't have to tell me twice.

1668
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,640
And I think that's the only I
think.

1669
01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,320
That's one of the.
Only things I have the one of

1670
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:03,920
the only issues I have with the
volume with this volume is

1671
01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:08,640
dealing with Max's character
because there were moments where

1672
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:15,680
I feel like they slowed down.
Her story.

1673
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,480
In order to give us the story,
but it's kind of like if you're

1674
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:22,240
looking at it in in real time,
you're like Max, you don't have

1675
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,040
time for this.
You need to go that that point

1676
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:29,360
right there where Will or she
thought it was 11, where whoever

1677
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:33,600
was warning you to run, they
shouldn't have had told you a

1678
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,360
second time.
You should have got the hell on

1679
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:37,640
then.
The other.

1680
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:43,760
Part was when she and Holly
finally do make it to where the

1681
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:48,040
portals are, she gets ready to
go through and she tells, you

1682
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,640
know, she has a conversation
with Holly that she has to stay.

1683
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,600
I saw a lot of people were upset
with that and a lot of people

1684
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,280
were like, y'all should be
running, y'all shouldn't have

1685
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:58,560
taken that long.
Again, going back to the whole

1686
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:02,400
wheel dialogue.
Max had to.

1687
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:06,440
Explain to Holly.
How she was going to have.

1688
01:35:06,440 --> 01:35:08,120
To get out there, because what
was she going to?

1689
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:11,240
How was what was going to happen
if Holly went through Max's

1690
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:16,600
portal with her, if she was even
able to go to the portal, she

1691
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:20,840
has nobody.
If she got left behind and Max

1692
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,840
went to her body, she doesn't
know where she is.

1693
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,760
She doesn't know how to get out.
She doesn't know how to create a

1694
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:27,480
portal.
So.

1695
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:30,320
I didn't have a problem with
that.

1696
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:35,440
Part The part that I did have a
problem was with was once Hollis

1697
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:38,840
portal showed up, I know y'all
had to do everything the

1698
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:41,640
beautiful way, the glorious way
to run.

1699
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,440
Y'all should be running.
Y'all should be running from

1700
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:46,880
jump to me.
We all agree on that one.

1701
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,360
They should have been running.
See you on the other side, see

1702
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,400
you on the other side.
Let's see who gets there first.

1703
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:55,960
And I do I.
Agree with you, and the thing

1704
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:59,800
about it is.
It has.

1705
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:06,600
Been I they did a great pairing
with Max and Holly because Max

1706
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:10,840
helping Holly through and then
Holly like encouraging Max and

1707
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:13,640
giving her the space to like,
I'm not giving up.

1708
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,440
You don't give up.
And then working together and

1709
01:36:16,440 --> 01:36:22,200
even the speech at the end, like
we, we wanted Max to get to

1710
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,480
Lucas.
I didn't have time for the

1711
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:29,280
conversation, but the
conversation needed to be had.

1712
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,880
Holly needed to hear those
things, right.

1713
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,400
It's just that again, I needed
her to run.

1714
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,280
But I get it.
I get it.

1715
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:43,040
Y'all had to play that Kate Bush
one more time because I get it.

1716
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:47,120
I get it because and because to
be honest with you, like you

1717
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,200
couldn't leave that girl the way
she was.

1718
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,000
Just leave her out there.
We had to figure out how to get

1719
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:55,120
hers to come up.
And then telling her, well, this

1720
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,640
is what you need to do.
Who?

1721
01:36:57,640 --> 01:36:59,960
Knew that we.
Went where we supposed to be,

1722
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:01,680
like I didn't know where he had
them.

1723
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:06,880
I'm assuming, OK, how it's gonna
get to her house and they'll get

1724
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:12,880
to her house where she was.
But it was beautiful and.

1725
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:16,520
Things she was.
Saying I almost like in my heart

1726
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,920
I thought she would think of her
mom, but it wasn't.

1727
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:22,960
Because at this point.
She still doesn't know that

1728
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,560
Cameron is actually alive.
No, but just still like her mom

1729
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:30,080
was always around.
I just thought maybe her mom.

1730
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:31,200
Was her.
Inspiration.

1731
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:33,480
I'm sorry, it's just, you know,
me being a mom.

1732
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:35,200
Well, here's the.
Thing I knew it.

1733
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:38,440
Wasn't I'm just saying during
that speech, I just and it could

1734
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:41,840
have been.
But The thing is, it was her to

1735
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:44,400
think of home.
Think of what would get her home

1736
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,800
if she's thinking her mom is
dead because the last time she

1737
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,960
saw her mom, her mom was face
down on the floor with gashes

1738
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,920
across her.
She's not going to think.

1739
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,760
That that's not well, no, and
that's not what the speech was

1740
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:57,960
for.
I'm just saying and how they

1741
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,360
wrote the speech, I was thinking
her mom would be her

1742
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:04,240
inspiration, but it was more
about empowering Holly, to be

1743
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:05,520
honest with you.
It was about that.

1744
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:09,360
I was just saying I wanted to be
her mom, but it wasn't.

1745
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,040
It was.
A great speech and it was about

1746
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:15,280
empowering yourself which is the
same shit the will needed but

1747
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:21,040
Holly got to so you know which
will did get from Robin but Max

1748
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:24,360
gave it to.
Holly And then that was?

1749
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:28,680
Good to push her for it because
like she was, I didn't do this

1750
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:31,240
when this was happening to mom
and I didn't do this when it was

1751
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:33,920
happening to you.
Like boom, right?

1752
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,440
Like what?
Could you have done like they're

1753
01:38:36,440 --> 01:38:40,680
trying to kidnap you like you,
you can't do anything and like

1754
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,480
Max told her she said you're a
Willie, you're smart.

1755
01:38:43,480 --> 01:38:46,880
You really think a fire poker
would have stopped right him.

1756
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:52,040
So I mean your dad had a Golf
Club and and you see how that

1757
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,280
worked out for him.
I'm at a broken bottle of wine.

1758
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:57,880
It still didn't work.
So you know, you in a poker.

1759
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:00,840
Oh, you going to do a whole lot
honey with your 9 year old

1760
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:05,600
strength.
So OK, so who who we all we all

1761
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,080
Max.
Let's talk about Lou Max.

1762
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:12,720
Well, you already.
Know how I feel?

1763
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,080
So I'm going to be quiet because
that was just the best thing you

1764
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:16,880
were.
You know you're not going to be

1765
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:18,160
that was the best thing in the
world.

1766
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:23,720
Y'all just don't understand how
I felt on season 4 like you

1767
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:26,680
felt.
Like leading.

1768
01:39:26,680 --> 01:39:30,200
Up to what happened to Max, but
you can feel how some they were

1769
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:34,600
close and Max again was pushing
herself apart because of her

1770
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:38,600
guilt dealing with her brother.
Like yeah, she thought many

1771
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:42,160
times she wanted him to be dead
because he, let's be completely

1772
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:45,280
honest, he was abusive and he
was an asshole he was.

1773
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:46,800
But then.
When someone actually.

1774
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,840
Died you can be like, well damn,
I didn't want them to die.

1775
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:52,360
I just didn't want them to be a
part of my life in that way.

1776
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:56,080
So her feeling like that and
just separating herself.

1777
01:39:56,520 --> 01:40:02,080
And if you watch the end of
season 3 when her and Lucas is

1778
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,400
just singing never ending story.
And then I thought to myself

1779
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:10,720
what that girl went through as
the months pass and how she

1780
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:15,640
really settled into every day
and Elle's not around and she

1781
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:19,160
she just really have Lucas and
they're going to high school.

1782
01:40:19,480 --> 01:40:22,320
And then you start realizing
that I caused all of this.

1783
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:27,200
She was happy.
And then to what she.

1784
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:30,480
Got to when we started season 4
and.

1785
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:33,440
Then for.
Him to all the stuff we say

1786
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:38,720
about him and then him trying to
make connections with her and

1787
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:42,120
she just wouldn't connect.
And.

1788
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,360
To see like towards the end,
he's like, I'm still right here

1789
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:49,040
for you.
And then just the feels when

1790
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:53,520
they're in that house and she is
like laying his arms and I can't

1791
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,520
see and he's just crying.
And I was like, I can't take

1792
01:40:56,520 --> 01:40:58,880
this.
And then that boy bit at that

1793
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:04,640
bedside every day.
One of the Youtubers I listen to

1794
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,720
while I go see that talks about
Stranger Things theories.

1795
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,800
He added his own information in
there.

1796
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,880
He was like.
Lucas Parents.

1797
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:18,400
Had to bring him clothes after
school and meals because he

1798
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:20,920
didn't want to leave the
hospital and I'm listening to it

1799
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:23,440
like dude.
Like you, like me, you.

1800
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:26,840
Just add no one because that's
what we thinking like he ain't

1801
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:31,840
leaving and if he does he makes
sure he stops by every other day

1802
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:36,800
he's playing next he made a
longer tape set of that he's

1803
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:41,200
reading to her like.
It's a lot.

1804
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:47,320
Yeah, and even for her to see
him, for Max to see Lucas that

1805
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:51,840
one time when she made it close
and the damn tape stopped.

1806
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:54,680
And then to realize.
That.

1807
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,080
Who knows where her Mama?
Is because we haven't even

1808
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:01,040
mentioned her mom but let's just
ignore that part so you know

1809
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:06,600
what somebody said her mom make
may be dead because that that

1810
01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:12,160
trailer park was near 1 of the
risks Oh you'll find out OK yeah

1811
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:15,200
so.
Dead or something?

1812
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:16,840
Or just can't take it any
longer.

1813
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:20,880
But to see that this boy is is
is at your bedside still playing

1814
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:25,000
your song.
So that just encourages you.

1815
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:29,280
And then you're at the end
talking to Holly.

1816
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:31,320
Why?
You see your window open and

1817
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:35,560
again, what do you see, Lucas?
Yes, at this point, holding you,

1818
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:41,280
carrying you.
Like, I'm sorry.

1819
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:44,920
This is I don't this is the best
love story ever for.

1820
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:50,480
Me, Lucas and Matt.
In this show and they better be

1821
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:54,520
together school sweethearts that
are going to come to the 60th

1822
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,720
reunion and they're still
married and they're still happy

1823
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:01,480
and they have the inside jokes
and stuff and even though

1824
01:43:01,480 --> 01:43:04,360
they're trauma bound too and
we'll talk about that later with

1825
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:07,280
another couple.
They are OK with this.

1826
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:14,000
OK they got kids, you know they
look light skinned freckles

1827
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:15,960
they're.
Sandy Reddish.

1828
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,320
Hair, you know what I'm saying?
You know, you know those mixed

1829
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,920
black kids because sandy reddish
hair, so cute with freckles,

1830
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:24,640
that is.
That is them.

1831
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,320
I don't what Lucas is doing as a
job.

1832
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:29,520
I don't know what Max is doing
as a job.

1833
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:32,600
I ain't got that far.
But they are together and they

1834
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:33,800
are happy.
Yeah.

1835
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:38,440
Lucas, is that cool?
Ass teacher that you had in high

1836
01:43:38,440 --> 01:43:44,760
school.
Yeah, but I I so ask, maybe a

1837
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:48,840
therapist do.
You think?

1838
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:52,960
Yeah, 'cause she yeah, I can see
her being a grief therapist.

1839
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,280
OK, yeah.
But it was, it was the best

1840
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:59,040
thing in the world.
And then to the.

1841
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:04,560
Fact that.
Caleb actually was carrying say

1842
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:08,720
that whole time over.
And over and care, and then to.

1843
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:12,240
Watch the scene.
It's it's cute and it's cute and

1844
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:15,440
like intense because he is
carrying her and when he got the

1845
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:18,680
elevator as he kicked a Demi
dog, he got the elevator.

1846
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,400
Like what the Hell's going on?
What's happening, What's going

1847
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:22,800
on?
And I'm like, I don't know.

1848
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:24,800
He's like, well, where they come
from, how they tracking us?

1849
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:27,840
We don't know, but we got to
hide at the same time he's

1850
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,440
carrying with the music playing.
I'm carrying with the music

1851
01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:32,040
playing, carrying her with the
music playing.

1852
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:36,360
And when when like he has the
music playing, the demo dogs are

1853
01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:40,080
in the room with them and
Robin's like we got to turn it

1854
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:41,680
off.
He was like, Nope, she's coming

1855
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,000
back.
Because before the the demo dogs

1856
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,880
got to them, he could see that
she was responding.

1857
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:49,560
So he was like, Nope, something
is happening.

1858
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,800
She's coming back.
Not I'm not losing her.

1859
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:55,080
Gotta turn it off.
And he's like, Nope.

1860
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,760
And you see, he kept that music
playing.

1861
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:01,000
He turned it down a little, but
he kept that music playing,

1862
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,840
right?
He was like, no, he didn't care,

1863
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:08,360
but he wanted that music playing
because Will gave him what he

1864
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:11,880
needed and she was there.
He believed she was there, but

1865
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:15,640
he confirmed it and that they
going after so he was going to

1866
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:19,920
protect his Boo.
But I mean I have cried every

1867
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,160
time I see that scene yes,
especially when she when she

1868
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:27,160
finally opens her eyes.
I love it that the first thing

1869
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:33,560
he says to her is are you OK?
Do you hurt anywhere like none

1870
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:38,640
of the other superficial.
He was like look, I are you OK?

1871
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:41,480
Do you hurt?
What what do I need to do?

1872
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,960
I was like.
This 16 year old.

1873
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:50,800
Boy can teach a lot of grown ass
men a thing or two about taking

1874
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:56,600
care of their partner, right and
and to the to the point where he

1875
01:45:56,600 --> 01:46:00,680
was like and then it confirmed
it when she was like, I didn't

1876
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:02,760
need the music and he was honest
too.

1877
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:05,880
I I'm not tired of the song, are
you?

1878
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,240
Yes.
Yeah, I was tired of it.

1879
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:12,200
I'm tired of it.
Michelle has watched the show so

1880
01:46:12,440 --> 01:46:16,240
many times.
I am fine if I never hear that

1881
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:19,880
song, so I kind.
Of am but you know, only I'm

1882
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:21,960
going to listen to it for you.
Like that's our favorite, that's

1883
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:24,120
our way to song.
But I'm tired of it, to be

1884
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:26,480
honest with you.
And then she said I didn't need

1885
01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:27,720
it.
All I needed was you.

1886
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:32,680
That right there, we married.
I'm good right?

1887
01:46:32,920 --> 01:46:35,920
And he didn't let her go.
Y'all all trying to wonder why

1888
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:39,280
Elle didn't hug her and all this
stuff.

1889
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,600
Do y'all know that boy was still
holding on to her the whole

1890
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:46,480
entire time until they got her
into the wheelchair?

1891
01:46:47,480 --> 01:46:48,280
He.
Wasn't letting her.

1892
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:50,760
Go.
And he made sure she was wheeled

1893
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,320
around and she couldn't really
move either.

1894
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:57,360
Her muscles had atrophied.
Yeah, but he wasn't letting her

1895
01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:58,280
go.
No.

1896
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:03,600
No.
I'm just saying I'm.

1897
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,080
Surprised he going to the upside
down now.

1898
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:11,400
Look, he's like I'm.
I'm he's like, look, this dude

1899
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:13,160
went after one of my best
friends.

1900
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:16,680
He don't went after my girl.
He don't went after my my other

1901
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:19,440
best friend's sister.
Now we got to take him out.

1902
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:22,480
Will is like, I mean, Lucas is
like, I'm done.

1903
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,720
I'm done.
I need a break from.

1904
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:29,680
This Vetna dude, we need to kill
him so I can go live my happy

1905
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,240
little life.
You done?

1906
01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:35,240
That's how Max, I mean that's
how Mike feel right now.

1907
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:39,040
You can see that in his face.
But when we get to Mike, we can

1908
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:43,200
we can go ahead and get to Mike
now because I mean Matt, Matt, I

1909
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:47,320
mean Max and Lucas, like, like
we said, one of the best parts

1910
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:51,120
of the season.
We already know they're in game.

1911
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:55,200
And I mean, just the fact that
even with all of this, they keep

1912
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:58,440
their with, they keep their
banter with each other even when

1913
01:47:58,440 --> 01:48:01,840
Max is seeing the other
characters, like when when Will

1914
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:04,360
finally sees her, she was like,
I leave you alone for a second

1915
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:07,080
and you become a source.
And he's like, it was a little

1916
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:10,800
bit longer than a second.
But you know, just the the

1917
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,360
banter.
She she's still there up until

1918
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:17,040
she finds out what happens to
Holly, and then she kind of

1919
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:20,280
feels responsible.
But again, you did what you were

1920
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:23,120
supposed to do.
How were you supposed to know

1921
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:25,960
that the Upside Down wasn't
where Holly was?

1922
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:30,880
You had no idea this other, this
other part even existed.

1923
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:35,640
You know, So I understand all
these people, they're feeling

1924
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,480
guilty about certain things.
Or I didn't know this and I

1925
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:42,200
couldn't do this.
Y'all are only human right?

1926
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:46,920
Only do what you can do with the
information you have and now you

1927
01:48:46,920 --> 01:48:50,560
have information for them.
But we honestly needed to get

1928
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:52,520
you out 'cause your body is
physically there.

1929
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:56,080
He is trying to harm it.
So you have I'm really.

1930
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,840
Surprised that he didn't know
where she was up until then.

1931
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:03,800
Like how how Something about him
didn't think, OK, let me check

1932
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:07,360
in the hospital.
Like he wasn't a threat.

1933
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:12,080
Well, yeah.
And he was like at that point,

1934
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,120
but at that point, she wasn't a
threat.

1935
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,280
She wasn't doing anything in his
mind.

1936
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:22,120
He he probably but.
When?

1937
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:26,600
He she took Harley.
Yeah, that's messing up his

1938
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:29,560
plan.
So she has to die now.

1939
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,160
Yeah, Yeah.
She has to die.

1940
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:36,040
Now so.
Beautiful.

1941
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:40,040
It was beautiful.
I'm happy we can carry on.

1942
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:43,560
And thank you, Missus.
Wheeler for saving their lives.

1943
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:47,560
OK, so before we go on to my,
let's talk about Missus Wheeler

1944
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:52,280
because.
She's still in the hospital.

1945
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:56,640
When the demo dogs come after.
Max.

1946
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:59,240
The lights start blinking in the
hospital.

1947
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:03,160
She everybody keeps saying, oh,
she got up when she heard them

1948
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:05,400
talking.
Call Lucas's name on the thing.

1949
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:10,840
No, she was up before then when
those lights started flashing,

1950
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:14,120
she sat up in that hospital bed
because that's exactly what was

1951
01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:17,240
happening in her house.
She knew something wasn't right.

1952
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:24,600
And then when she hears Robin on
the intercom, Lucas is Robin you

1953
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:25,520
got?
A demo coming.

1954
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,920
Your way you got.
To go, you got to.

1955
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:31,160
Go.
She didn't know what a demo was.

1956
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:34,200
She just knew.
Robin is on the intercom at the

1957
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:36,760
hospital telling.
Lucas to.

1958
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:41,120
Get Max to get a comatose
patient and run.

1959
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:44,120
We will meet.
She may not and she may not know

1960
01:50:44,120 --> 01:50:49,480
who Robin is, but she know Lucas
is and Max is.

1961
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:51,920
They've been at her house,
right?

1962
01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:55,720
Lucas is like practically one of
her children, right?

1963
01:50:55,720 --> 01:51:00,400
She knows his parents and know
that that this their friend is

1964
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:03,040
in the hospital.
So she knows that, yes.

1965
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:06,760
And and.
She probably was just like

1966
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:10,160
lights blinking.
Something's after Lucas.

1967
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:12,960
This may be the same thing that
was after Holly.

1968
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,040
And as as.
Much pain as she is in, as weak

1969
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:20,800
as she is in, you know, weakest
state she is in.

1970
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,640
She gets up, she goes to the
door, she sees them oxygen

1971
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:26,080
tanks.
And I was like, what is she

1972
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:27,680
about to do with the oxygen
tank?

1973
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,320
I didn't even think about the
fact that they went down to the

1974
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,400
laundry.
I wasn't thinking any of that.

1975
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:36,080
They were in the laundry.
You know, they're hiding from

1976
01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,840
the demo dogs.
Robin and Vicki are having a

1977
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:42,600
conversation because Vicki this
whole time, once Robin confessed

1978
01:51:42,600 --> 01:51:44,520
to her, thinks that Robin is a
druggie.

1979
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,160
They're having their little
confession time.

1980
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,960
They're about to get discovered
by the demo dogs and all of a

1981
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:54,760
sudden you hear the dryer.
It's like the hell.

1982
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:59,880
And then you hear the clanking.
And I was like, did she put the

1983
01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:03,520
oxygen?
The demo dogs go over to the

1984
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:07,640
dryer.
There's an oxygen tank in the

1985
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:11,680
dryer.
You get a freeze frame of the

1986
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:17,320
flammable signal symbol on the
tank and then they pan over to

1987
01:52:17,320 --> 01:52:18,960
the temperature gauge of the
dryer.

1988
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,440
It's all high.
I said, oh, she got to blow some

1989
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:24,160
shit up.
And sure enough, the.

1990
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:25,800
Double dogs.
They look up, they go.

1991
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:31,000
Right before.
The dryer blows up, you have all

1992
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:34,200
this smoke robbing in the game.
They get up, they're trying to

1993
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:37,680
look and see who this is, and
here she comes limping through

1994
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,880
all the smoke and it's Miss
Wheeler.

1995
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:49,480
I was like, you know what?
Four Seasons of almost nothing

1996
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,800
and I said almost nothing.
She did have some stuff.

1997
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:58,280
We did see some dialogue.
We saw her being a mom but bad

1998
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:02,440
ass in in the.
Behind in the behind the scenes

1999
01:53:02,440 --> 01:53:06,400
stuff they show she was really,
The actress was really excited

2000
01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:09,560
about the scene because she
finally got to do something, I'm

2001
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:11,160
sure.
And they?

2002
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:15,200
Showed her before she did her
entrance she was doing push ups,

2003
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:18,200
jumping jacks.
She was getting herself hyped up

2004
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:20,320
for It's OK to Be.
Barefoot, yeah.

2005
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:21,800
They're like, we could have put
on like.

2006
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:24,720
Naked shoes for her so and she's
like, no, she's going to do a

2007
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,240
barefoot it.
Was kind of.

2008
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:29,040
It was really cool.
That makes me happy.

2009
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:32,040
For her, yeah, something.
But yeah, but everybody.

2010
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:35,080
Else's parents.
Justin Luby's.

2011
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:38,960
Parents, we y'all do it right?
But I I want to hear that

2012
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:41,760
conversation between her and
Joyce when all this is over.

2013
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:43,160
Excuse me?
You didn't.

2014
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:45,880
Yeah.
Mike, really 'cause you do all

2015
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:47,600
this.
My kids were in danger.

2016
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:50,840
And you, you you can't come to
my house and say something.

2017
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:55,200
But season 1 when I told y'all
that there was monsters in the

2018
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:59,240
wall and everything and my son
that y'all said was dead was not

2019
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,440
dead, y'all called me crazy.
So that is true.

2020
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:04,000
Yeah, that is true.
That's true.

2021
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:11,640
So she said F y'all but real
quick with Miss Wheeler.

2022
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:14,880
But really it's Holly.
As someone pointed out, times

2023
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:18,000
that Holly was sensitive to
things that were going on.

2024
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:24,320
Holly saw as a little kid, she
saw the imprints in the wall.

2025
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:26,600
We saw a.
She didn't.

2026
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:30,320
She was looking at the wall
before it started pushing on the

2027
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:31,800
wall.
Oh yeah, I remember.

2028
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:33,680
That.
Yeah, Season 1, like, yeah,

2029
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:36,040
'cause it was like doing all
that to the wall.

2030
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:39,080
She saw that.
No, I'm saying she saw.

2031
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,480
She looked at the wall.
Yeah, I'm talking about before.

2032
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:42,280
It did it.
I'm talking.

2033
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:44,520
About even when she was a.
Little kid that.

2034
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:46,920
That was when she was a kid.
When she was in Will's.

2035
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:50,040
One, she was in Will's bedroom,
OK.

2036
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:52,880
Yeah, it's about.
I'm done from the beginning.

2037
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:56,600
Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about.
Season when she followed the

2038
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:57,760
Christmas lights?
Yep.

2039
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,560
Yeah, I'm just saying she.
Was sensitive to that lights

2040
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:02,520
yeah he.
Went to the room, she looked at

2041
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:05,400
the wall and then it started
pitching through the wall.

2042
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:07,320
So she was licking before it did
it right.

2043
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:10,360
She was.
Sensitive so and then season 3

2044
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:13,040
I'm saying, hey, season 3 you're
saying she was.

2045
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:15,080
Leaking in the Hey children,
let's stop arguing.

2046
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:19,160
Well, no, I'm just saying she
saw the things that other people

2047
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:22,760
didn't see.
Yeah, and then she saw again the

2048
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:27,080
mind flayer.
Physically, that's.

2049
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:31,720
Not really it, but it physically
going through the woods, heading

2050
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:34,160
to the mall when she's on the
Ferris wheel.

2051
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:37,080
Yeah.
But she was.

2052
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:38,520
No one else was paying
attention.

2053
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,520
She was sensitive to that.
Just saying she was sensitive.

2054
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:43,440
Yeah, well, what's his name
already?

2055
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:47,000
Said that he chose kids who had
unique abilities already.

2056
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:48,720
Yeah.
I'm really.

2057
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:51,080
I'm really on the fence on that
one.

2058
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:55,280
Those were his words.
Those were his words still.

2059
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:58,840
On the fence.
Those are his he's Yeah, he did

2060
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:01,640
say that.
But I was also wondering if it

2061
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:05,920
maybe it wasn't, Maybe it's not
that they have the abilities,

2062
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:07,920
but maybe their minds a little
bit open.

2063
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:11,680
Because I'm wondering was
because the fact that kids all

2064
01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:15,240
call him the same thing, are
they all reading A Wrinkle in

2065
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:17,760
Time?
Like is that the common thread?

2066
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:21,280
Like all of them are reading
that And they're like, I don't

2067
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,440
know, because, well, that's
hard.

2068
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:27,440
To say because I mean, I'm old
when I was in the 1st grade,

2069
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:29,520
first or second grade, first
grade.

2070
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:33,960
I think we we read The Wrinkle
in Time as a class in first

2071
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:35,720
grade.
Well, my reading.

2072
01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:37,800
Group did.
Oh Lord, here we go.

2073
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:42,000
So I'm sorry, my bad that.
My reading group was I'm.

2074
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:46,960
Just saying that they're not in
first grade, but so they're

2075
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,880
looking fine.
We'll see by the time I mean at

2076
01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:52,760
that.
Time Wrinkling Time was a book

2077
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:57,320
that people were assigning as
reading in school so they could

2078
01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:01,240
have read it as a class.
They could have or.

2079
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:07,680
His first his first victim was
Holly and she was reading it and

2080
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:11,120
he used it.
It was easy to use that name

2081
01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:13,960
good.
So it's a possibility of be a

2082
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:17,000
bow, or if they both of them
read and half of them did, or if

2083
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:19,080
they just all.
Have the shining and y'all just

2084
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:21,120
don't want to admit it.
No, I'm OK.

2085
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:24,400
With that, because I always say
will was sensitive, quit.

2086
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:26,920
Using that word.
Sensitive.

2087
01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:29,920
To.
Sensitive to it is you sensitive

2088
01:57:30,240 --> 01:57:32,680
to.
The Shining is a.

2089
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:36,560
Whole other No, that doesn't
apply to this universe because I

2090
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:39,000
believe that people are
sensitive in real life like

2091
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,560
that, yeah.
Yeah, so sensitive.

2092
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:45,360
You sensitive to things?
Neutral term.

2093
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:47,880
Yeah.
Why are you so bothered by it?

2094
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:49,080
Right.
We're sensitive to you.

2095
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,720
I don't know.
Sensitive to you?

2096
01:57:51,720 --> 01:58:02,120
Yeah, So.
He's not sensitive, He's not

2097
01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:04,040
sensitive.
Like the sensitive I'm talking

2098
01:58:04,040 --> 01:58:08,600
about, I'm not sensitive and
Will is sensitive and he's

2099
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,440
sensitive so he both the
sensitives.

2100
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:14,800
Clearly, he cries.
I see that she is a.

2101
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,680
Word that establishes people
have abilities.

2102
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:20,800
Because then Elle is sensitive.
No, Elle is not.

2103
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:23,160
Sensitive.
She actually thinks the ability

2104
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:26,320
has powers.
She has the power she's gifted.

2105
01:58:26,680 --> 01:58:30,320
She's a mutant.
I mean there's there's way of

2106
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:32,960
like.
Yeah, she is not.

2107
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:35,600
Sensitive at all?
No, she's not.

2108
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:39,800
She already has it.
But those kids, you're right

2109
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:43,520
there.
I'm just going.

2110
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,920
Based.
On where Henry said no, they're.

2111
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:48,760
Sensitive.
I don't think they have their

2112
01:58:48,760 --> 01:58:51,480
social patches.
He just saying it's.

2113
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:54,000
Inside of them.
But he also wanted to say

2114
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:57,200
they're gullible.
Yes, they weak.

2115
01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,840
Minded.
And they cult.

2116
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:04,640
Followers, I'm and I'm going to
say this, those actors.

2117
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:08,800
They did great.
They are playing cult fanatics

2118
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,920
to a team they are and it it is
it is.

2119
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:17,560
It is sad because honestly we do
have this in real life, but it

2120
01:59:17,560 --> 01:59:22,240
to see the kids like this.
And even when there is one or

2121
01:59:22,240 --> 01:59:27,800
two in the group who are like,
no, this don't sound right.

2122
01:59:28,120 --> 01:59:33,200
But you then as a group just
bully and threaten them in a way

2123
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:37,800
where they're like, I have no
way of disagreeing, but a green

2124
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:42,680
to know that something is wrong,
but have to go with it to know

2125
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:48,960
that Derek is like in his brain,
like this is not right, but I'm

2126
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:52,080
going to die or my family's
going to die.

2127
01:59:53,480 --> 01:59:55,760
And they're looking at me.
Like they literally will cook me

2128
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:58,080
alive.
Let me tell you something.

2129
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:00,640
And Holly, they just beat the
shit out of her.

2130
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:04,000
That little Thomas needs a
karate chop to the fucking

2131
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:06,760
throat.
How dare you push her down the

2132
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:08,240
stairs?
Why?

2133
02:00:08,240 --> 02:00:10,520
What does our friend?
What does our friend say they

2134
02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:12,320
need they they need their butts
with?

2135
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:14,400
Cat.
Cat.

2136
02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:16,160
Yes.
They need a whooping.

2137
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:18,400
They need a whooping.
They do, but.

2138
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:20,520
I don't know if they need a
whooping.

2139
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:24,840
They are just so susceptible to
things like it doesn't like it

2140
02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:29,400
ain't even clicking it don't
even click in their brain that

2141
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:32,320
they should not be throwing
another child.

2142
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:34,160
OK, and that's what I was going
to say.

2143
02:00:34,440 --> 02:00:37,200
There's a difference the the
little girls.

2144
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:38,720
I can't remember that their
names right now.

2145
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,200
The little girls, they're the
ones who are talking to her,

2146
02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:43,760
know how the you were mistaken,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

2147
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,400
That's one thing that's being
susceptible.

2148
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:49,880
Thomas calling her a bitch and
throwing her down the stairs.

2149
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:53,040
That's a whole like he, he is a
bully.

2150
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:58,360
He is believing, he is taught,
but he is caught up.

2151
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:01,200
But at that.
Point He thinks she is because

2152
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:03,400
she just beat the mess out of
the other two girls.

2153
02:01:03,400 --> 02:01:06,720
OK, but there is there are
levels to this.

2154
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:09,840
He can be caught up, but the
fact that you went that extra

2155
02:01:09,840 --> 02:01:13,840
mile, he had that in him before
Mr. What's it got to him?

2156
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:16,920
I I don't think so.
I think they they just caught

2157
02:01:16,920 --> 02:01:18,920
you.
Just it brings out things.

2158
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:21,920
You know what I'm saying?
Like people have killed over

2159
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:25,040
stupid stuff because you caught
up in a group and y'all saying

2160
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:26,720
that this is what y'all supposed
to do.

2161
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:28,480
The other kids, that's the
problem.

2162
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:32,640
They weren't trying to be that
violent, not until she she

2163
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:35,720
smacked her best friend in the
face with a radio and the other

2164
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:37,360
girl too.
She pushes out and then you see

2165
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:41,080
how the three of them beat her
up and threw her down the stairs

2166
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:44,440
again.
If it really Holly did that

2167
02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:47,440
first, She did that to the 2
girls now Thomas Shit.

2168
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:51,200
But he but.
You what you just said it.

2169
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:55,560
He she did that to the 2 girls
to the girls right?

2170
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:57,160
So what?
Do you think he's going to do?

2171
02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:02,160
He just did that to the 2.
Girls a part of the The Clone

2172
02:02:02,160 --> 02:02:05,240
group, the cluster, whatever
we're going to call them.

2173
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:08,560
Thomas had that in him before
Vetner got but then you guys say

2174
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:10,960
the other girls do too because
the other girl choked her out.

2175
02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:12,320
The other girl.
Was.

2176
02:02:12,640 --> 02:02:16,160
But but The thing is, she wasn't
trying to choke her.

2177
02:02:16,160 --> 02:02:19,400
She was trying to hold her.
She just happened to get the

2178
02:02:19,400 --> 02:02:20,880
bathroom.
No happenstance.

2179
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:24,040
You know, she was choking.
They know what they were doing.

2180
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:27,600
But this was all in favor of
getting to the light, because

2181
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:30,320
they need to get her to
understand.

2182
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:35,400
People do some.
Come on Hanukkah, you know some

2183
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:39,160
people do some crazy stuff and
they're not in him.

2184
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:42,200
Before Wagner got to him, Thomas
had that.

2185
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:44,880
You just messed with two people
in your group.

2186
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:46,960
She attacked 2 people in their
group.

2187
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:50,680
Yes, I understand that.
And he went after her and called

2188
02:02:50,680 --> 02:02:52,280
her name and she beat, she
kicked it.

2189
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:56,880
Acting aggressive with even the
other kids and with Derek before

2190
02:02:56,880 --> 02:03:01,000
hot, before they got to Holly.
When, Derek?

2191
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:03,040
When?
Derek was coming out of the

2192
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:06,240
woods after after Mr. Whatsit
found him.

2193
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:08,000
Everybody.
Else was.

2194
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:11,400
Asking him where's Mr. Whatsit,
whatever, whatever Thomas was

2195
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:14,080
the one who was, who was the
most aggressive.

2196
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:19,000
Thomas had that in him before
Mr. Whatsit got to him well.

2197
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:22,680
I don't think.
I think he would have been more

2198
02:03:22,680 --> 02:03:26,360
spirited like Derek, but I don't
think he was.

2199
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:32,720
I think he was just a.
Regular kid and that's what the

2200
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:35,640
F up shit is.
But they all different because

2201
02:03:35,640 --> 02:03:38,120
then you sit here and see kids
getting beat up and you still

2202
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:40,400
the people on the side who
didn't even do anything, didn't

2203
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:42,960
do anything.
Like it's all messed up.

2204
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:47,080
This is messed up and I feel
like at this point if the kids

2205
02:03:47,080 --> 02:03:49,520
die except for Derek and Holly,
I'm good.

2206
02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:53,680
I don't want the other.
Kids to die.

2207
02:03:53,680 --> 02:03:55,920
No, I'm just joking everyone.
But I don't know how they're

2208
02:03:55,920 --> 02:04:00,760
going to save 12 kids.
That's going to be difficult.

2209
02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:03,680
That's going to be difficult.
That's that's what I'm really

2210
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:04,680
saying.
I don't know how they're going

2211
02:04:04,680 --> 02:04:06,960
to do it.
They're going to do it because

2212
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:09,120
they're not going to kill these
kids.

2213
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:16,480
But I'm telling you, all I know
is if they save the kids, they

2214
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:19,600
got to get them some help
because these kids going to grow

2215
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:25,040
up and they, they going to
believe things that because he's

2216
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:27,760
telling the truth at this point,
everybody in Hawkins is going to

2217
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:30,160
need some, some, they're going
to need some help.

2218
02:04:30,160 --> 02:04:32,720
But they're, they're going to
because he's, he absolutely told

2219
02:04:32,720 --> 02:04:35,720
the truth.
And if Will didn't have the

2220
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:40,240
things he went through and the
support he has to overcome.

2221
02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:44,400
He was weak minded.
That's just say it.

2222
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:46,400
Yeah.
He's just say it.

2223
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:52,360
He's just say it, but also it's
like even looking at the way

2224
02:04:52,360 --> 02:04:55,280
that Henry interacts with these
kids.

2225
02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:59,000
Even if I was a.
Child that young.

2226
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:02,320
There is something creepy about
this man.

2227
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:07,640
The way that he.
Speaks the way that he walks,

2228
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:10,360
the way that he kind of just
expresses his.

2229
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:15,600
Like Henry is so controlled when
he talks to the kids.

2230
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:18,040
Nobody is that controlled around
children.

2231
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:22,680
It's weird.
And you know, the whole thing

2232
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:25,960
about them being gullible and
being susceptible, it's like,

2233
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:29,480
what?
What's wrong with your parents

2234
02:05:29,480 --> 02:05:31,560
that you don't see that
something is wrong with this

2235
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:34,240
man?
It's just.

2236
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:38,240
I that's what I'm but he's been
working.

2237
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:41,880
He's been What's that word?
I don't really like that word

2238
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:44,120
ruing them.
Yeah, is.

2239
02:05:44,240 --> 02:05:45,440
That what you?
Yeah.

2240
02:05:45,720 --> 02:05:47,640
That's.
What I was looking for grooming

2241
02:05:47,640 --> 02:05:50,600
because and that's what he did.
Like this wasn't all of a

2242
02:05:50,600 --> 02:05:53,800
sudden.
They, you know, 2 days.

2243
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:56,080
Ago, he said.
You know, monsters coming like

2244
02:05:56,080 --> 02:06:00,600
he was constantly like talking
to them and showing them.

2245
02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:02,600
Things.
And being there three days

2246
02:06:02,600 --> 02:06:06,840
because he he started stalking
Holly Halloween.

2247
02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:09,600
This is November 3rd when she
was taken.

2248
02:06:09,880 --> 02:06:14,160
It's only been three days.
So during the whole course of

2249
02:06:14,160 --> 02:06:18,520
this is 6 days because when when
they go, when she and Max go

2250
02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:23,520
into her memories to to, you
know, follow when Mr. what's it

2251
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:27,200
first saw her?
It was Halloween, she said it

2252
02:06:27,200 --> 02:06:29,440
was Halloween.
We were watching we were

2253
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:31,520
watching movies.
She was like, I didn't see him.

2254
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:34,160
But that's when they see Henry
is standing outside the window

2255
02:06:34,160 --> 02:06:36,760
looking at her.
It's only been six days, right?

2256
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:40,960
But has it been?
Even though that was the.

2257
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:44,440
First they say that could be the
first memory like you already

2258
02:06:44,440 --> 02:06:51,840
know he has scouted out Max the
other 3 beforehand and.

2259
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:55,040
Then started.
To really get into their minds,

2260
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:59,640
like did he comb get his
collection and then start going

2261
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:02,920
to really like pay attention to
their life to then know the

2262
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:05,840
things that he needed to say.
That's what I'm saying.

2263
02:07:06,240 --> 02:07:09,840
So like he had a plan.
And then once you have a plan,

2264
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:11,480
you know the things that you
need to say.

2265
02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:14,960
Like he knew how to approach
Derrick, he knew how to approach

2266
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:17,560
Holly, He knew how to approach
the best friends.

2267
02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:21,240
Like there's different parts of
these kids, you know, Will he

2268
02:07:21,240 --> 02:07:24,200
didn't even do that to.
They just snatch Will.

2269
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:27,760
But these other.
Kids like talking to him.

2270
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:31,360
You got one kid who may be like
afraid that they can't make

2271
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:32,880
friends.
And he came like, oh, you're

2272
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:35,560
such a great friend.
I mean, I saw you playing.

2273
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:37,280
What you got?
I wish.

2274
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:39,520
I had a friend.
Like that, that's still creepy.

2275
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:42,840
And he has that's that's what
I'm saying.

2276
02:07:42,840 --> 02:07:46,240
And then at no point have we
told these kids like you should

2277
02:07:46,240 --> 02:07:50,560
not be talking to this grown man
who is not a family friend.

2278
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:54,720
Well then he tells you like, I
got a secret, I know, but I got

2279
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:57,360
a secret like.
Monsters.

2280
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:00,120
Is coming and I'm really worried
about you and your family and

2281
02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:02,480
you have such a special kid.
It's like the underlying.

2282
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:06,960
Context of the 70s and 80s was
all the kids being kidnapped

2283
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:08,760
like that?
Yeah, and.

2284
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:09,880
Take it.
Yeah.

2285
02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:15,400
And saying something about like,
your parents are here and I need

2286
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:19,600
to bring you to your parents and
kids like, OK, stranger danger.

2287
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:24,960
Was a real thing, like OK.
During that time it's just say

2288
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:28,040
it.
It is but.

2289
02:08:28,040 --> 02:08:31,600
Them kids.
It's like I don't I don't but

2290
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:34,000
they took it to another level
like they took it to another

2291
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:35,320
level.
They did.

2292
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:42,080
But also I mean I I really can't
blame the the 2 girls because

2293
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:46,600
Holly did assault them like.
Like.

2294
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:49,960
But y'all pushed her down the
stairs and then the the

2295
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:53,840
condition she was in at the end
when Henry had them all around

2296
02:08:53,840 --> 02:08:57,760
the table and did the thing and
their eyes rolled in the back of

2297
02:08:57,760 --> 02:09:00,200
their heads.
I I was just like, she couldn't

2298
02:09:00,200 --> 02:09:03,280
she she didn't even have any
fight in her at that point.

2299
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:05,920
Nope, she didn't.
She probably had a good

2300
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:07,640
concussion.
She probably had a good

2301
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:10,440
concussion.
And that definitely no fight.

2302
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:16,520
No fight.
Yeah, but yeah, I, I don't know,

2303
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:21,920
especially now since we know
that Holly is in the part of in

2304
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:23,600
the dimension they call the
abyss.

2305
02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:28,440
She's not in the upside down cuz
when she when she does get out

2306
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:31,360
in her portal she breaks.
Herself.

2307
02:09:31,360 --> 02:09:33,800
Free.
She runs out and she stands

2308
02:09:33,800 --> 02:09:37,280
there looking cuz she's like
this doesn't look like anything,

2309
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:40,040
Max told me.
It looks like this is not hot.

2310
02:09:40,200 --> 02:09:43,160
You know, it's not a Upside Down
version of Hawkins.

2311
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:47,040
And when she's running, she
trips over stone, she sees that

2312
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:50,640
there is a gate.
She pulls up the stone and she,

2313
02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:52,600
you know, she climbs through the
gate.

2314
02:09:52,720 --> 02:09:56,440
And of course she's in the
Upside Down at this point, but

2315
02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:58,920
she's literally Upside down.
So when she goes through the

2316
02:09:58,920 --> 02:10:03,520
gate, she starts falling through
the the tube, the the bridge,

2317
02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:06,680
the wormhole.
She makes it.

2318
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:11,320
To Hawkins, right above Hawkins
Lab where Nancy and and Jonathan

2319
02:10:11,320 --> 02:10:15,840
and all them are.
She stops mid air and then she's

2320
02:10:15,840 --> 02:10:20,080
yanked back because Vecna at
this point has has captured her.

2321
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:24,480
I was, I was just like, Kenny's
kids get a break.

2322
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:29,520
Can they get a break?
But, you know, he takes Holly

2323
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:32,720
back and then we see kind of the
full cavern.

2324
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:37,880
Of of where he has.
Them and the Spires that they're

2325
02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:41,960
on and all the kids and stuff
and it's like, yeah, how are

2326
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:43,880
y'all going to rescue these
kids?

2327
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:47,680
Like I, I get.
The plan that y'all have?

2328
02:10:49,680 --> 02:10:52,480
But the plan that.
Y'all have is to really like,

2329
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:55,400
yeah, OK, we're going to rescue
Holly, we're going to rescue the

2330
02:10:55,400 --> 02:10:57,360
kids.
I don't even know how y'all are

2331
02:10:57,360 --> 02:11:01,400
going to do that at this point.
Because once you get.

2332
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:05,280
Up there into the abyss, it's
not like you're getting right

2333
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:08,000
where the kids are.
You got to go a distance and

2334
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:11,360
then you got to go in this
little tree that looks like 3

2335
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:16,040
hands jumbled together and this
is where he has the kids.

2336
02:11:16,320 --> 02:11:17,880
How are you going to get the
kids down?

2337
02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:19,640
How are you going to transport
the kids?

2338
02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:22,760
Because Hopper.
Made the plan, he.

2339
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:25,360
Was talking about there's a
helicopter in the upside down.

2340
02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:28,880
We can take it up to the abyss,
rescue the kids and come back.

2341
02:11:29,120 --> 02:11:31,760
You can't fit 12 kids on a
helicopter.

2342
02:11:31,960 --> 02:11:34,880
Nope.
Not with the.

2343
02:11:34,880 --> 02:11:37,680
Adults that are also going to
have to be on the helicopter

2344
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:40,640
because one person can't go in
there and rescue all all them

2345
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:42,800
kids and fight back.
Then it's just not going to

2346
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:44,320
happen.
Well, wait.

2347
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:48,880
There's military helicopters,
some of them you could put 12

2348
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:54,640
kids on it because they take
squads of soldiers.

2349
02:11:55,640 --> 02:11:58,880
So you could you could.
Theoretically, get 12 kids on

2350
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:02,680
one of those helicopters.
I'm just saying I'd have to.

2351
02:12:02,720 --> 02:12:05,800
Look and see he was in Vietnam.
He he knows what kind of

2352
02:12:05,800 --> 02:12:09,520
helicopter they have, OK.
Yeah, you do.

2353
02:12:10,360 --> 02:12:13,800
You can do it.
They can be done, I mean.

2354
02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:14,480
They can't.
They don't have to.

2355
02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:15,960
Sit.
It'd be a little heavy.

2356
02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:18,600
But first of.
All that's why.

2357
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:20,160
I don't know.
I can't.

2358
02:12:20,160 --> 02:12:24,120
I can't even hit her.
Like y'all don't.

2359
02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:31,280
Get No, you get, you get like 12
kids and they ain't little kids

2360
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:34,960
getting them all together to run
the one spot.

2361
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:38,520
I've been on field trips.
This is going to be hell trying

2362
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:40,840
to get them out and they're
cool.

2363
02:12:40,920 --> 02:12:43,440
Like are are you going to be
able to convince them to be

2364
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:44,720
different when they?
Wake up.

2365
02:12:44,720 --> 02:12:47,320
I mean, when they wake up and
they see the suction thing in

2366
02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:49,640
their mouths, right, they're
going to be disoriented.

2367
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:52,160
So then to get them from being
disoriented?

2368
02:12:53,440 --> 02:12:59,440
Like even to get to the.
Tower to climb down the tower,

2369
02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:03,040
yeah.
Or to convince them.

2370
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:07,120
To climb No when they get.
To when it comes down, they're

2371
02:13:07,120 --> 02:13:10,760
going to be on top of the tower.
Like how you want to get. 12

2372
02:13:10,760 --> 02:13:13,760
kids down to climb down like
their arms and legs in the

2373
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:16,040
reach.
Well, they're going to be.

2374
02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:19,280
Disoriented because when they
look at the tower it's actually

2375
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:22,040
going to be upside down, right
but when they when they.

2376
02:13:22,160 --> 02:13:25,280
Get out of the tower.
It's getting down to the ground.

2377
02:13:25,680 --> 02:13:29,360
Like even when you watch Steve
and Jonathan climb, they're

2378
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:31,160
stretching.
Long way to go so.

2379
02:13:31,200 --> 02:13:33,840
How the hell?
That's what's going through my

2380
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:37,080
brain.
Yeah, it's the I can believe

2381
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:40,360
what they're doing.
I have faith in their plans.

2382
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:44,320
It's the day on 12 Keys, Steve's
plan and Steve's plan, and it's

2383
02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:48,200
the kids.
It's getting the kids because.

2384
02:13:48,200 --> 02:13:51,240
Literally you all need.
Rope and literally like, let

2385
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:52,040
them.
Like.

2386
02:13:52,040 --> 02:13:54,040
Tie them and and pull them down
because.

2387
02:13:55,800 --> 02:13:57,840
They're not going to be able to.
Climb down, we going to be

2388
02:13:57,840 --> 02:14:01,120
stressed come come Wednesday, we
going to be stressed watching

2389
02:14:01,120 --> 02:14:05,760
this rescue attempt.
I mean.

2390
02:14:06,160 --> 02:14:09,720
The other thing is Elle could
probably use her powers to kind

2391
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:13,280
of levitate them.
I don't know, but that's still,

2392
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:17,360
that's a lot.
Even even with Elle's powers,

2393
02:14:17,880 --> 02:14:22,000
she's I don't want to say she's
struggling, but it takes a lot

2394
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:24,800
for her.
Like even in Volume 2 when she's

2395
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:27,520
trying to.
Put Murray.

2396
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:30,560
'S truck, right side up.
She's struggling.

2397
02:14:32,440 --> 02:14:36,360
That's just one thing you.
Talk about 12 actual moving

2398
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:38,800
bodies.
Yeah, I, I don't know.

2399
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:40,280
We we gonna have to sit here and
think about.

2400
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:43,200
And then she will she will do
better then, because she'll be a

2401
02:14:43,200 --> 02:14:45,240
motion filled.
She wasn't really a motion

2402
02:14:45,240 --> 02:14:49,000
filled with the truck.
Like, come on, honey, Put some

2403
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:51,600
put something in it.
But that's still a lot, though,

2404
02:14:51,600 --> 02:14:57,640
to ask her to do a 12 kids.
Yeah, but you know what?

2405
02:14:57,920 --> 02:15:02,640
OK, This is where Kylie can come
in handy because she can make

2406
02:15:02,640 --> 02:15:05,680
the kids think that something,
you know, she could.

2407
02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:08,280
She could make them see
something serene.

2408
02:15:08,280 --> 02:15:11,560
She can make them see something
normal so that they will calm

2409
02:15:11,560 --> 02:15:14,720
down and be like, OK, hey, let's
go here.

2410
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:16,520
She could.
Do that.

2411
02:15:16,720 --> 02:15:19,920
So that could kind of help,
yeah, but.

2412
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:21,480
Then I got.
It by the.

2413
02:15:21,480 --> 02:15:27,440
Time they get ready to go, the
the abyss may have gone almost

2414
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:30,040
all the way down the tower.
Oh yeah, that's what, that's

2415
02:15:30,040 --> 02:15:31,880
what.
Steve was talking about yeah, so

2416
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:34,960
the abyss may have.
Gone they was hoping that he.

2417
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:38,120
Wasn't going to go that far down
that they can jump out and hit

2418
02:15:38,120 --> 02:15:40,520
the ground.
Yeah, that's a little too close.

2419
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:43,320
That's a little close for
comfort, but we have been not.

2420
02:15:43,320 --> 02:15:47,520
Getting close to the show this.
Is true.

2421
02:15:48,120 --> 02:15:49,560
That's true.
This is true.

2422
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:51,920
The thing?
Is it's still going to take time

2423
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:55,480
for them to do everything they
need to do like Hanukkah said,

2424
02:15:55,720 --> 02:15:59,160
but if they can stop.
Him it will stop the merge, you

2425
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:01,320
know, because he has to be
connected to all the kids.

2426
02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:03,720
If she can get to him, it will
stop, right?

2427
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:06,760
But still got to.
Get ill to the Hawkins Lab.

2428
02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:09,840
You're into the thing.
And then she got to look for

2429
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:12,200
him.
And remember, that's not easy

2430
02:16:12,240 --> 02:16:15,840
because she already has a hard
time trying to find him and he's

2431
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:19,880
in the abyss so.
That's what I'm.

2432
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:23,640
Saying is, I think it's going to
work out the the the base is

2433
02:16:23,640 --> 02:16:26,920
going to be almost all the way
down the tower and they can just

2434
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:31,960
jump out into the upside down I,
I, I.

2435
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:35,400
I I'm feeling it, I'm just not
feeling that well.

2436
02:16:35,559 --> 02:16:38,400
They're going to be cutting it.
Because then they got to get

2437
02:16:38,400 --> 02:16:40,959
them from the.
Into the.

2438
02:16:40,959 --> 02:16:43,600
Right side up and blow the
wormhole.

2439
02:16:44,400 --> 02:16:48,600
So it's a lot which I'm starting
to think that's not going to

2440
02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:53,040
happen, but we'll see.
Yeah, yeah.

2441
02:16:53,639 --> 02:16:55,639
OK, so we're going to move on
from the kids because we're

2442
02:16:55,639 --> 02:16:57,719
running late.
We still got a couple of things

2443
02:16:57,719 --> 02:17:00,480
we need to talk about.
We definitely need to talk about

2444
02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:03,000
Henry's memory, the thing that
he's scared of.

2445
02:17:03,200 --> 02:17:05,360
And we got to talk about
Jonathan and Nancy.

2446
02:17:05,440 --> 02:17:07,639
So which where where do y'all
want to go first?

2447
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:10,600
Because Jonathan and.
Nancy, let's go with Jonathan.

2448
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:15,240
And Nancy?
I'm glad they have resolved

2449
02:17:15,240 --> 02:17:17,440
their relationship issues and
I'm glad she.

2450
02:17:17,440 --> 02:17:20,200
Chose herself, yeah.
And Michelle?

2451
02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:23,200
Said that right y'all talked
about that the last time we

2452
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:25,799
podcast that she's she should
choose herself.

2453
02:17:25,879 --> 02:17:27,600
She didn't need to be.
With Jonathan What?

2454
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:30,920
And they said all the reasons
why they said the same reasons

2455
02:17:30,920 --> 02:17:33,160
we thought technically speaking
though.

2456
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:37,600
Jonathan made the.
Decision Jonathan was the one

2457
02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:41,600
who who basically brought up,
look, we're staying together

2458
02:17:41,600 --> 02:17:46,280
because we have shared trauma.
Nobody else would be able to to

2459
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:48,400
deal with this.
Who will we even talk to?

2460
02:17:49,080 --> 02:17:52,639
And it just felt safe, right?
But she.

2461
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:56,040
Still could have she.
They still chose.

2462
02:17:56,040 --> 02:17:58,879
They made a decision and she
still didn't chose like, OK, let

2463
02:17:58,879 --> 02:18:01,760
me figure out about.
She basically said I don't even

2464
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:03,719
want to see.
I like literally don't know what

2465
02:18:03,719 --> 02:18:06,360
I want.
Yeah, that's again, choosing.

2466
02:18:06,360 --> 02:18:08,320
She's choosing herself.
Yeah.

2467
02:18:08,320 --> 02:18:10,280
And for the people who were
concerned.

2468
02:18:11,639 --> 02:18:14,240
If you did.
Not know that this was a

2469
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:18,879
breakup.
I need you to.

2470
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:22,920
Evaluate why.
No, I need you to seriously ask

2471
02:18:22,920 --> 02:18:26,160
yourself questions of why you
didn't think this was a breakup

2472
02:18:26,799 --> 02:18:30,760
and reflect on that.
Yeah.

2473
02:18:31,600 --> 02:18:37,559
And understand that you can love
someone and not be with him

2474
02:18:38,879 --> 02:18:42,799
because it's not right.
And so if you need to leave

2475
02:18:42,799 --> 02:18:46,879
someone that you with right now.
Believe them because.

2476
02:18:46,879 --> 02:18:50,080
You can still love them.
They ain't right for you.

2477
02:18:50,520 --> 02:18:52,080
You can leave.
Yeah.

2478
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:55,320
And not only that, you.
Can break.

2479
02:18:55,320 --> 02:19:04,120
Up with somebody and it not be
ugly and it not be you know it.

2480
02:19:04,320 --> 02:19:06,240
It can actually be a beautiful
thing.

2481
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:12,360
It can be love and respect there
and also understanding like both

2482
02:19:12,360 --> 02:19:16,000
of them realized they were
holding on to each other for

2483
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:20,280
familiarity, for comfort because
of shared trauma.

2484
02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:24,320
And also they're they're always
together because of all of this.

2485
02:19:24,320 --> 02:19:26,559
So it's kind of like, OK, well,
why not?

2486
02:19:26,920 --> 02:19:29,600
But you know what, we can still
love each other.

2487
02:19:29,879 --> 02:19:32,600
We can still be there for each
other.

2488
02:19:32,600 --> 02:19:36,600
We can still fight with each
other as far as fighting this

2489
02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:40,080
whole thing and protect each
other and not be together,

2490
02:19:40,760 --> 02:19:42,200
right?
But I.

2491
02:19:42,200 --> 02:19:45,639
Do want to tell people though,
OK, don't try to stay home.

2492
02:19:46,680 --> 02:19:47,719
They did this because they
thought.

2493
02:19:47,719 --> 02:19:51,080
They would die so it sound out.
It sounded nice.

2494
02:19:51,400 --> 02:19:56,760
So if you do do this, you do
this with a certified therapist

2495
02:19:56,760 --> 02:19:59,200
in the room.
Because when y'all start

2496
02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:01,920
sprouting out things you don't
like or things you did.

2497
02:20:03,880 --> 02:20:07,120
It is different.
I think it when you not die, I

2498
02:20:07,160 --> 02:20:09,680
think it depends on the people
because there are people.

2499
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:13,640
No, it does, but you can have
that conversation, but that

2500
02:20:13,640 --> 02:20:16,080
takes that takes some years to
get to.

2501
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:18,760
I'm just saying Hanukkah for
some people don't just start

2502
02:20:18,760 --> 02:20:24,040
sprouting out that you you took
the the boys PS-5 and pretend

2503
02:20:24,040 --> 02:20:26,440
like you just spill water on it
when you really did.

2504
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:28,800
You can't come out and say
things like that.

2505
02:20:29,400 --> 02:20:32,880
OK, all right.
You cannot come out and say you

2506
02:20:32,880 --> 02:20:38,480
took took a MK purse, a Coach
purse, the Goodwill 'cause you

2507
02:20:38,480 --> 02:20:41,360
didn't like I just said, I don't
know what happened to.

2508
02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:44,320
I think you left it in the
rental car that we had when we

2509
02:20:44,320 --> 02:20:46,440
went on vacation.
You can't do that.

2510
02:20:46,760 --> 02:20:50,160
It only works when y'all are
both are open.

2511
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:52,640
Yeah.
And ready to receive.

2512
02:20:53,040 --> 02:20:54,840
Yeah.
You know, that's finding words.

2513
02:20:54,840 --> 02:20:57,400
Someone tell you they don't like
corn Hanukkah.

2514
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:09,280
For you.
That was good, right?

2515
02:21:09,320 --> 02:21:11,920
So.
We got to be open to receive.

2516
02:21:13,080 --> 02:21:15,840
That we were on.
Different paths because they

2517
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:18,160
were coming at each other, but
it was in love.

2518
02:21:19,960 --> 02:21:26,600
But you know, I think the other
thing that is important for that

2519
02:21:26,600 --> 02:21:31,640
relationship is they were
friends first.

2520
02:21:32,360 --> 02:21:34,800
And I think that has a lot to do
with because a lot of.

2521
02:21:36,120 --> 02:21:39,400
Excuse me a lot.
Of times these days when people.

2522
02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:43,480
Go out.
With the intention of meeting

2523
02:21:43,480 --> 02:21:46,440
somebody.
It's not I'm going to meet

2524
02:21:46,440 --> 02:21:49,480
somebody to be a friend.
And then it develops into a

2525
02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:51,720
relationship.
A lot of people go out looking

2526
02:21:51,720 --> 02:21:55,200
for a man looking for a woman
looking for a relationship.

2527
02:21:55,800 --> 02:21:58,320
You know what I'm saying?
And, and if you don't have that

2528
02:21:58,320 --> 02:22:04,600
strong friendship foundation, it
will make things like this a lot

2529
02:22:04,600 --> 02:22:06,880
harder when things start falling
apart.

2530
02:22:07,360 --> 02:22:11,840
You know, Nancy and Jonathan
handled this in a very, very

2531
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:15,080
mature way and in a way that I
don't think.

2532
02:22:15,080 --> 02:22:17,720
I mean, I mean, if you think
about it, think about the way

2533
02:22:17,720 --> 02:22:20,760
she broke up with Steve, that
was very ugly.

2534
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:24,760
It was very well she was drunk.
But you know it.

2535
02:22:24,760 --> 02:22:30,280
Was it was one of those breakups
that was not pretty, It was not

2536
02:22:30,280 --> 02:22:35,120
respectful.
And, you know, it just.

2537
02:22:35,200 --> 02:22:40,280
Yeah, I think because she and
Jonathan started out as friends

2538
02:22:40,280 --> 02:22:43,360
first, or at least that's how we
we see the relationship start

2539
02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:46,400
because when we are introduced
to Nancy and Steve, they're

2540
02:22:46,400 --> 02:22:49,400
already in a relationship.
So we don't know how things work

2541
02:22:49,440 --> 02:22:52,640
with them.
But we also know that they came

2542
02:22:52,640 --> 02:22:55,400
in, Nancy was dealing with
stuff, Steve was dealing with

2543
02:22:55,400 --> 02:22:58,280
stuff, and Steve?
Didn't.

2544
02:22:58,280 --> 02:23:01,000
Really know what Nancy was
dealing with, you know what I'm

2545
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:02,920
saying?
So that friendship was not

2546
02:23:02,920 --> 02:23:05,240
really there in that sense.
That's how I feel.

2547
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:08,120
Because if that was her friend,
she should have been able to

2548
02:23:08,120 --> 02:23:11,160
confide to him with some of the
stuff that she was going on that

2549
02:23:11,160 --> 02:23:13,600
was going on.
But that's, you know, again,

2550
02:23:13,600 --> 02:23:17,400
that was a younger version.
That was, you know, young puppy

2551
02:23:17,400 --> 02:23:20,760
love.
A lot of times they don't do

2552
02:23:20,760 --> 02:23:23,720
that type of thing.
Jonathan and Nancy, I think, are

2553
02:23:23,720 --> 02:23:26,280
a little more established.
And they were able to have that

2554
02:23:26,280 --> 02:23:29,480
conversation because of that
foundation.

2555
02:23:29,800 --> 02:23:33,040
And they're older.
They're older now because they

2556
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:36,080
had a rocky beginning, just like
her and Steve had a rocky

2557
02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:39,400
beginning.
But see, we don't know what kind

2558
02:23:39,400 --> 02:23:41,680
of beginning her and Steve had
because they were already a

2559
02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:45,800
couple when we met them.
Somewhat somewhat they were

2560
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:49,320
starting to she really liked him
and he liked her and they were

2561
02:23:49,320 --> 02:23:53,640
getting getting in close and
Barb kind of pushed things to a

2562
02:23:53,640 --> 02:23:57,560
different level.
And we saw how Jonathan came in

2563
02:23:57,560 --> 02:23:59,840
the picture.
He was literally, I'm so sorry.

2564
02:23:59,840 --> 02:24:05,800
We tend to forget that Jonathan
was stalking her, you know, but

2565
02:24:05,800 --> 02:24:08,520
he was shy.
OK, we.

2566
02:24:08,520 --> 02:24:11,600
Don't play that.
Yeah, but he was.

2567
02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:14,160
Stalking her we did.
We want to forget again that he

2568
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:16,160
was taking pictures of her
undressing.

2569
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:17,960
But that's neither here nor
there.

2570
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:23,040
He's a photographer.
So but I.

2571
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:25,920
Think it's just been time.
It's just been time.

2572
02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:29,400
And then even how they even got
together was in the midst of

2573
02:24:29,400 --> 02:24:33,400
Steve and her having a break.
OK, Nancy and Steve was on the

2574
02:24:33,400 --> 02:24:36,000
break, so Nancy cheated on
Steve, but that's another day

2575
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:38,080
and time.
They were on the break.

2576
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:44,080
They were on the break though.
Well, depending on who breaking

2577
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:46,160
it.
Depends.

2578
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:48,520
On how?
The break was a break, but

2579
02:24:48,520 --> 02:24:50,360
someone doesn't know that it's a
break.

2580
02:24:52,360 --> 02:24:56,880
That goes with Brick, she goes.
Up with him, but he thinking,

2581
02:24:57,120 --> 02:25:01,120
but then the next day you left
town with a boy and slept with

2582
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:02,280
him.
But that's neither here nor

2583
02:25:02,280 --> 02:25:04,080
there.
We're not going back into the

2584
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:07,040
past.
Everyone has their things within

2585
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:09,360
their relationship and what got
them there.

2586
02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:13,320
But I'm just glad they came to a
conclusion that this is not

2587
02:25:13,320 --> 02:25:16,920
going to work.
And then when I'm really right.

2588
02:25:16,920 --> 02:25:22,240
But I'm concerned though, in
their conversation nasty to go

2589
02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:26,680
to a a meetings and then
Jonathan, you got to come up

2590
02:25:26,680 --> 02:25:29,920
with some other than weed.
Jonathan.

2591
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:34,960
Has probably been off the weed
because going.

2592
02:25:34,960 --> 02:25:36,960
Through all.
Of this, especially the stuff in

2593
02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:41,040
Lenoir, first of all, you're
probably cut off from your your

2594
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:43,360
your supplier.
You definitely aren't.

2595
02:25:43,360 --> 02:25:45,880
I mean, this also goes well.
You're not going to get sunny

2596
02:25:45,880 --> 02:25:51,600
delight though, but you not now
that she threw away.

2597
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:56,080
But come on now, 18 months in
quarantine ain't no weed coming

2598
02:25:56,080 --> 02:25:58,040
into the town.
You don't have to have weed

2599
02:25:58,040 --> 02:26:00,720
coming into town.
Daddy was getting it.

2600
02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:03,600
From the boy who was probably
growing it in his backyard

2601
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:07,920
because he lives in a nice home
18 months with the military

2602
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:10,320
presence there.
You can still grow it.

2603
02:26:10,480 --> 02:26:12,000
You.
Yes, it is weed.

2604
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:14,760
You just they smoked weed.
They smoked it all up in the

2605
02:26:14,760 --> 02:26:17,480
first three months.
Michelle, come on now.

2606
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,160
You know people are growing
weed.

2607
02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:21,160
You are you know they growing
weed.

2608
02:26:21,160 --> 02:26:23,280
They live some of them live on
farmland.

2609
02:26:24,200 --> 02:26:27,120
The government is looking for
11.

2610
02:26:28,320 --> 02:26:29,960
And back now that's.
Probably why they got.

2611
02:26:30,280 --> 02:26:32,480
That's probably why why they got
rid of the police.

2612
02:26:34,600 --> 02:26:38,880
There are some soldiers who are
going to the local high school

2613
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:43,560
for some some side pieces.
You know that.

2614
02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:46,760
You, I mean, I smoke that side,
you know.

2615
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:49,600
Three months, that's.
A whole different, I mean a

2616
02:26:49,720 --> 02:26:51,320
whole different 4.
That's a.

2617
02:26:51,360 --> 02:26:53,040
Whole different.
Conversation, but OK.

2618
02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:56,360
But seriously.
Like honestly, they live in a a

2619
02:26:56,520 --> 02:26:58,720
a town.
You know that somebody is

2620
02:26:58,720 --> 02:27:00,960
growing.
I'm just saying they're grown.

2621
02:27:01,440 --> 02:27:03,800
But when she see but they're.
Still.

2622
02:27:04,080 --> 02:27:07,440
Not you believe me they can't
leave they got a military

2623
02:27:07,440 --> 02:27:11,680
presence the town has been split
into two half the people died

2624
02:27:11,680 --> 02:27:14,200
believe me they smoked all that
stuff up in the 1st and they

2625
02:27:14,200 --> 02:27:18,280
still smoking because at this
point we mixing shit up we.

2626
02:27:18,280 --> 02:27:21,880
Growing it.
And we add in oregano and all

2627
02:27:21,880 --> 02:27:24,880
that kind of stuff because they
have nothing to do.

2628
02:27:27,440 --> 02:27:29,480
I know that some.
People, I don't really know this

2629
02:27:29,480 --> 02:27:33,400
so so you know, FBI just saying,
I know some people was growing

2630
02:27:33,400 --> 02:27:36,160
some stuff during COVID.
I'm just saying I don't know for

2631
02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:37,320
sure.
I don't know for real.

2632
02:27:37,320 --> 02:27:40,960
I'm just imagining that people
got bored and beside making

2633
02:27:40,960 --> 02:27:43,280
sourdough, they were making
stuff.

2634
02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:45,400
There were still supply lines
going.

2635
02:27:45,440 --> 02:27:47,560
There were still, people were
still, and then some people

2636
02:27:47,560 --> 02:27:50,920
still have some stuff.
Nowhere in Hawk except for

2637
02:27:50,920 --> 02:27:53,560
Hawkins.
They believe me that I.

2638
02:27:53,560 --> 02:27:56,600
Smoked all that stuff up and
they're growing more.

2639
02:27:56,720 --> 02:27:58,960
I'm telling you, they are
growing more.

2640
02:27:59,560 --> 02:28:00,560
Come on those.
Things got.

2641
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:02,800
Nothing to do but sled down the
middle.

2642
02:28:04,400 --> 02:28:07,960
Sidewalk.
And smoke at the same time, OK.

2643
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:11,080
I'm sorry.
OK, but it's just sad though,

2644
02:28:11,080 --> 02:28:13,960
because they both realized that
because of the stuff they're

2645
02:28:13,960 --> 02:28:17,680
going through, he's getting high
and she's getting drunk and I

2646
02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:20,320
hate that.
I just hate that for Nancy

2647
02:28:20,320 --> 02:28:24,160
because.
She's acceptable to it.

2648
02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:29,320
Because her mom does it.
So I just need her to, I mean,

2649
02:28:29,320 --> 02:28:32,320
really it is, you know, so I
just really need her to.

2650
02:28:32,360 --> 02:28:35,440
Then moving forward, they need
to get help with that because

2651
02:28:35,440 --> 02:28:37,280
they're still going to get drunk
and high.

2652
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:41,240
They just need to get some help.
OK.

2653
02:28:41,240 --> 02:28:44,480
It just didn't mix with them
together being drunk and high at

2654
02:28:44,480 --> 02:28:45,720
the same time.
No.

2655
02:28:46,160 --> 02:28:49,160
OK, So what was the?
Other other thing Veglar's

2656
02:28:49,160 --> 02:28:51,160
memory.
Vector's memories.

2657
02:28:51,440 --> 02:28:53,880
Yes.
Hold on before you get.

2658
02:28:53,880 --> 02:28:56,160
That deep with Vector's
memories, we do Robin real

2659
02:28:56,160 --> 02:29:00,600
quick.
I'm just glad that.

2660
02:29:00,600 --> 02:29:02,720
Everything has come out in the
open for Robin.

2661
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:07,080
And what's the name?
Molly Greenwald.

2662
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:11,720
Vicki.
Vicki that Vicki now doesn't,

2663
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:14,440
you know, believe that she's not
a a druggie.

2664
02:29:14,760 --> 02:29:18,360
So now I'm worried about Vicki.
Not worry about Vicki.

2665
02:29:18,440 --> 02:29:21,520
Vicki's hanging out with, she's
taking care of Max.

2666
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:22,520
She's.
Taking care of Max.

2667
02:29:23,400 --> 02:29:26,520
She changed Max.
Into an outfit she.

2668
02:29:26,520 --> 02:29:27,360
Put in some.
Got it.

2669
02:29:27,360 --> 02:29:30,360
Out of that stupid hospital
gown, Yeah.

2670
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:32,960
And she's.
She's working with her on

2671
02:29:33,640 --> 02:29:37,800
physical therapy when she told
her if we.

2672
02:29:37,800 --> 02:29:39,160
Make it out.
Of this alive.

2673
02:29:39,160 --> 02:29:41,640
We are going to Enzo's and we're
going to get dessert.

2674
02:29:41,800 --> 02:29:44,760
That made me worried some
somebody's not going to make it

2675
02:29:44,760 --> 02:29:46,960
to Enzo's and somebody's not
getting dessert.

2676
02:29:46,960 --> 02:29:48,840
I don't know.
Well, Enzo's going to be blown

2677
02:29:48,920 --> 02:29:52,520
up, but I don't know because
she's she's not going to be part

2678
02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:54,200
of danger.
She's sitting, she's literally

2679
02:29:54,200 --> 02:29:57,040
sitting with Max and she really
is taking care of Max.

2680
02:29:58,080 --> 02:30:01,480
But I don't think.
Robin is not going to tell me

2681
02:30:01,480 --> 02:30:04,000
you think that they're safe just
because they're not in the

2682
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:07,440
Upside Down.
No but I'm just saying after Max

2683
02:30:07,440 --> 02:30:11,440
just had demo dogs being sent
after her I think they're more

2684
02:30:11,440 --> 02:30:14,160
I'm worried more about the
military shooting them.

2685
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:20,760
OK, that part.
That part I'm more be worried

2686
02:30:20,760 --> 02:30:25,000
about the military and them the
men them into the action.

2687
02:30:25,480 --> 02:30:29,240
But no, I think the military is
going to be more of a problem

2688
02:30:29,240 --> 02:30:33,480
for the ones who are going into
the upside down because I think

2689
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:39,600
both acres knows that 11 is down
there and now General K also

2690
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:44,600
knows that it right and they're
going to go to the science lab

2691
02:30:44,600 --> 02:30:49,400
too in both places.
So I do like everyone has an

2692
02:30:49,400 --> 02:30:53,360
issue with the military, but I
do believe that Robin will live

2693
02:30:55,160 --> 02:31:00,120
and I think she's just going to
go off and just have a bright

2694
02:31:00,120 --> 02:31:02,960
future.
As a get in.

2695
02:31:02,960 --> 02:31:06,160
Different relationships, radio
DJ somewhere else.

2696
02:31:06,520 --> 02:31:12,640
OK, so yeah, we can now get into
VEGNA and how what's?

2697
02:31:12,640 --> 02:31:16,200
Going to happen, OK.
So.

2698
02:31:18,320 --> 02:31:22,960
I have a feeling.
Again, I mentioned it earlier

2699
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:29,800
about them trying to trying.
To bring back Vechner.

2700
02:31:29,800 --> 02:31:34,360
'S humanity or whatever.
I think the memory that we saw

2701
02:31:34,440 --> 02:31:37,760
is probably going to be key to
that because the memory that we

2702
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:40,800
saw, the thing that's making him
scared to go into The Cave,

2703
02:31:42,840 --> 02:31:49,120
Holly discovers a shaft,
basically, and it leads to an

2704
02:31:49,120 --> 02:31:52,160
underground mine.
And while they're in this

2705
02:31:52,160 --> 02:31:54,040
memory, there is a guy down
there.

2706
02:31:54,040 --> 02:31:56,920
He's holding a suitcase, a
silver suitcase.

2707
02:31:57,680 --> 02:32:01,600
And he starts panicking.
Who are you?

2708
02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,000
Why are you here?
Who sent you?

2709
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:04,120
Who sent you?
Who sent you?

2710
02:32:04,520 --> 02:32:07,680
And we see that it is a young
Henry Creel.

2711
02:32:07,720 --> 02:32:11,800
He's in his Boy Scout uniform.
He's like, hey, I live near

2712
02:32:11,800 --> 02:32:15,720
here.
I saw, you know, I heard someone

2713
02:32:15,720 --> 02:32:17,600
fall down here.
I'm just coming to check to see

2714
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:21,960
if you all right now, this man
is so freaked out by whoever it

2715
02:32:21,960 --> 02:32:25,600
is that's coming after him that
he pulls a gun on this little

2716
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:29,920
kid and Henry in this and we
can't be more than maybe 8 or 9

2717
02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:31,920
himself.
He's.

2718
02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:33,280
Just trying to help.
The man.

2719
02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:36,600
Sir, please don't.
Shoot, I'm just trying to help

2720
02:32:36,600 --> 02:32:37,400
you.
Are you OK?

2721
02:32:37,400 --> 02:32:39,880
Because the man is very clearly
hurt.

2722
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:42,240
Holding on to the.
Suitcase.

2723
02:32:42,680 --> 02:32:46,680
He shoots at Henry and shoots
him I think in the hand.

2724
02:32:47,440 --> 02:32:48,400
Did he shoot?
Him in the hand or.

2725
02:32:48,400 --> 02:32:53,520
Shoot in the hand, OK in the
shoots at Henry.

2726
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:57,120
Henry is looking at his.
Hair like this motherfucker just

2727
02:32:57,120 --> 02:33:00,280
shot me.
And as the.

2728
02:33:00,280 --> 02:33:03,640
Guy is trying to put another
bullet in the go.

2729
02:33:03,640 --> 02:33:06,400
I don't know what kind of gun
you had that you got one shot

2730
02:33:06,400 --> 02:33:08,680
off and you that that was all
you had.

2731
02:33:08,680 --> 02:33:14,400
But Henry goes to him, wrestles
the gun away from him, and then

2732
02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:18,240
he grabs a rock.
He hits the guy and he's so

2733
02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:21,920
upset that this man shot at him
that he literally bashes this

2734
02:33:21,920 --> 02:33:24,160
man's head in.
I mean.

2735
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:28,120
I'm sorry, I don't know.
What the Boy Scouts been

2736
02:33:28,120 --> 02:33:32,280
teaching y'all?
You sure?

2737
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:33,360
Because I.
Don't know.

2738
02:33:33,640 --> 02:33:37,640
No, but I mean, you're a 8 year
old kid, 9 year old kid.

2739
02:33:37,640 --> 02:33:40,840
You're trying to help somebody
and they shoot you.

2740
02:33:40,840 --> 02:33:41,880
Yeah.
He probably.

2741
02:33:41,880 --> 02:33:45,640
Just he was angry, he was upset,
he was emotional, he was all

2742
02:33:45,640 --> 02:33:47,160
these things.
He's a little kid he doesn't

2743
02:33:47,160 --> 02:33:49,360
know how to deal with with what
he just encountered.

2744
02:33:49,600 --> 02:33:51,400
Well, you don't want them to.
Shoot you again.

2745
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:56,200
That too.
That too, but then.

2746
02:33:56,560 --> 02:34:02,080
As as Holly is watching this
memory Henry.

2747
02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:06,040
Goes to.
Open up the suitcase and right

2748
02:34:06,040 --> 02:34:10,480
before he opens it up and we see
what's in it, Max kind of pulls

2749
02:34:10,480 --> 02:34:13,960
Holly out of the vision so they
can escape.

2750
02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:18,560
So 1.
What do you think was in the

2751
02:34:18,560 --> 02:34:21,600
suitcase?
And two, do you think it was the

2752
02:34:21,640 --> 02:34:25,880
act of murder that Henry is
scared of, or do you think

2753
02:34:25,880 --> 02:34:29,800
what's in the suitcase caused
whatever?

2754
02:34:31,320 --> 02:34:34,320
Whatever it.
Is the cause of Henry having the

2755
02:34:34,320 --> 02:34:40,400
abilities that he had.
So we have to ask you, what do

2756
02:34:40,400 --> 02:34:43,760
you think?
I'm assuming this.

2757
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:46,160
Has something to do with the
first shadow.

2758
02:34:46,480 --> 02:34:50,360
OK, it does.
So what do you what?

2759
02:34:50,360 --> 02:34:52,920
So now this is great.
What do you think?

2760
02:34:53,240 --> 02:34:55,040
I really think it has.
And we're not going to say yes

2761
02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:58,080
or no, but and then we'll say
yes or no and see how it

2762
02:34:58,080 --> 02:35:01,080
compares to.
But what do you think?

2763
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:04,160
I think whatever that guy had in
the suitcase.

2764
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:08,960
I don't know, I'm starting to.
Think he probably stole it from

2765
02:35:08,960 --> 02:35:11,640
the lab.
I'm thinking it was something

2766
02:35:11,640 --> 02:35:16,160
that probably affected Henry,
gave him the abilities that he

2767
02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:20,200
had as far as like, you know,
what he was able to do with his

2768
02:35:20,200 --> 02:35:22,440
parents, to his parents and to
his sister.

2769
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:28,000
But also I wonder if it has to
do with the mind flayer and his

2770
02:35:28,000 --> 02:35:31,080
fascination with the what was
the spiders that he was keeping

2771
02:35:31,080 --> 02:35:34,000
in jars?
When he was a little kid.

2772
02:35:34,280 --> 02:35:37,960
So I'm wondering if all of that
is connected, because if you

2773
02:35:37,960 --> 02:35:41,240
look at the mind Flayer, the
mind flayer looks like a kind of

2774
02:35:41,240 --> 02:35:43,680
spider.
And we had a.

2775
02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:47,560
Fascination with spiders that he
found in the house when they

2776
02:35:47,560 --> 02:35:50,320
moved in.
We know that he was doing things

2777
02:35:50,320 --> 02:35:54,160
with his mind.
I don't think that he was doing

2778
02:35:54,160 --> 02:35:58,760
that stuff when he went to find
that guy, because if he did, he

2779
02:35:58,760 --> 02:36:00,880
wouldn't have had to bash that
guy's brains in.

2780
02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:04,040
If that guy shot him, he could
have just held his hand out and

2781
02:36:04,040 --> 02:36:08,520
killed the guy right then.
So I think whatever caused Henry

2782
02:36:08,520 --> 02:36:12,760
to be what Henry came started in
that cave.

2783
02:36:14,120 --> 02:36:16,200
So some.
Type of trauma happened that

2784
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:19,760
that's why he's afraid of going
in that cave.

2785
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:25,360
I and yeah, I, I would say
trauma or just whatever was in

2786
02:36:25,360 --> 02:36:31,920
the case that altered him, you
know, but I think that will

2787
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:37,720
probably also be the key to them
not necessarily fixing him, but

2788
02:36:37,720 --> 02:36:42,040
maybe stripping away his powers,
maybe turning him back human

2789
02:36:42,480 --> 02:36:47,240
completely and then will also be
the key to destroying him.

2790
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:53,600
OK, but.
Yeah, I I was a little bit

2791
02:36:53,960 --> 02:36:56,880
disturbed about the fact that a
8 year old just sat there and

2792
02:36:56,880 --> 02:36:59,040
bashed that grown man Hit, hit
it again.

2793
02:36:59,280 --> 02:37:01,560
I can understand.
This man just shot me.

2794
02:37:01,560 --> 02:37:04,360
I was trying to help him.
Even Holly was like, why did

2795
02:37:04,360 --> 02:37:06,440
that man hurt him?
Or he was just trying to help

2796
02:37:06,440 --> 02:37:10,040
him, you know?
And I, I think that's going to

2797
02:37:10,040 --> 02:37:15,120
be a big part of whatever
happens with his character in

2798
02:37:15,120 --> 02:37:18,280
the final episode.
So.

2799
02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:20,080
And again, I don't.
Know anything about the first

2800
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:21,880
Shadow?
I don't know anything about

2801
02:37:21,880 --> 02:37:25,960
Henry Creel's back story other
than what we've seen in the TV

2802
02:37:25,960 --> 02:37:30,720
show, but I just thought that
that was very, again, you, you.

2803
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:33,040
Kind of put a.
Breadcrumb out there and then

2804
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:36,760
you snatch it away, right?
And really makes me think that

2805
02:37:36,760 --> 02:37:39,360
that that little piece of thing
is important.

2806
02:37:39,360 --> 02:37:41,880
Not the killing part, but
whatever.

2807
02:37:41,920 --> 02:37:44,760
But what happened when the key
was attempting to open up the

2808
02:37:44,760 --> 02:37:50,720
case and and you're absolutely
right, because if he at that

2809
02:37:50,720 --> 02:37:55,120
point, you know, he's younger.
So if he had powers, then he

2810
02:37:55,120 --> 02:37:57,600
would have used his power.
So clearly he didn't have

2811
02:37:57,600 --> 02:37:59,680
powers.
And that's I'm sorry, that's a

2812
02:37:59,680 --> 02:38:02,760
little traumatic that the the
man shot him in the hand.

2813
02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:06,080
So but it has to be something
even worse.

2814
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:08,400
And she don't even want to go
into The Cave.

2815
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:12,160
But we won't know until
Wednesday.

2816
02:38:12,400 --> 02:38:18,040
Hopefully we do.
Now what I find interesting and

2817
02:38:18,040 --> 02:38:22,800
it it like it's so disgusting,
though, to me is that vector

2818
02:38:22,800 --> 02:38:28,120
like has now turned into like
you see teeth and then like what

2819
02:38:28,120 --> 02:38:31,560
he has the kids in, you see a
whole lot of teeth and then like

2820
02:38:31,560 --> 02:38:36,600
there's a heartbeat above him.
So I'm like, is that the mind

2821
02:38:36,600 --> 02:38:37,880
flare?
Like what is that?

2822
02:38:37,880 --> 02:38:42,280
Because that's so organic, like
it's bones and teeth and skin

2823
02:38:42,600 --> 02:38:45,320
and then a heart.
That's not vector's.

2824
02:38:45,320 --> 02:38:48,080
Heart.
Yeah, no.

2825
02:38:48,600 --> 02:38:51,680
Because it makes me think of
when I see that, that heart so

2826
02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:54,120
big, it makes me think of that
movie we used to watch all the

2827
02:38:54,120 --> 02:38:56,960
time ago about the dragon.
Is it dragon?

2828
02:38:56,960 --> 02:38:58,560
Heart Dragon?
Heart.

2829
02:38:58,560 --> 02:39:01,680
Yeah, like.
There has to be something and

2830
02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:04,800
then it looks like on the.
Outside.

2831
02:39:04,960 --> 02:39:07,760
It looks like several hands kind
of together.

2832
02:39:07,760 --> 02:39:11,240
Yeah.
Or like it looks like a spider.

2833
02:39:11,240 --> 02:39:13,920
A dead spider.
Yeah, Yeah.

2834
02:39:14,400 --> 02:39:17,160
So I'm just wondering what what
that is is.

2835
02:39:18,200 --> 02:39:20,640
That the mind.
Flayer like, but we haven't seen

2836
02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:23,520
the Mind Flayer at all this
season.

2837
02:39:23,520 --> 02:39:25,800
But we didn't see it in Season
4, did we?

2838
02:39:26,120 --> 02:39:30,200
No, no, I don't know.
But we haven't really.

2839
02:39:30,200 --> 02:39:32,080
We.
Haven't seen a version of it

2840
02:39:32,080 --> 02:39:35,840
since the the.
It was disgusting.

2841
02:39:35,840 --> 02:39:38,240
We caught the physical.
One that was start to work.

2842
02:39:38,360 --> 02:39:41,440
Got it was disgusting.
And that had like the teeth

2843
02:39:41,440 --> 02:39:44,160
things too, Like it was just, it
was disgusting.

2844
02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:47,400
Yeah.
So the other question I have, so

2845
02:39:47,400 --> 02:39:50,720
I've seen there are two theories
I want to get your thoughts on

2846
02:39:50,720 --> 02:39:54,240
real quick before we wrap it up.
I I know there's probably more

2847
02:39:54,240 --> 02:39:57,520
stuff we need to talk about, but
yeah, a.

2848
02:39:57,520 --> 02:40:03,800
Lot.
But I saw one theory that says

2849
02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:10,480
that Henry Creel may actually be
11's biological father.

2850
02:40:12,080 --> 02:40:18,000
Meaning that.
Brenner used Henry to impregnate

2851
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:21,560
the women or whatever instead of
it being the blood transfusion

2852
02:40:21,560 --> 02:40:26,080
thing, that he may actually be
the 11th biological father and

2853
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:30,720
that's why she's the closest to
him as far as his powers and,

2854
02:40:30,720 --> 02:40:34,400
and you know what she can do.
What do you think about that?

2855
02:40:39,320 --> 02:40:43,280
I think we've had enough
theories.

2856
02:40:44,200 --> 02:40:46,520
No.
No, enough of the.

2857
02:40:48,680 --> 02:40:52,000
I don't.
I'm just going to say the abuse

2858
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:56,600
of Will and all the things that
has happened to him that Vacna

2859
02:40:56,600 --> 02:41:00,520
has done, I don't, I don't know
if I really want to think about

2860
02:41:01,600 --> 02:41:06,440
something like that happening to
those, those women in that way,

2861
02:41:06,520 --> 02:41:10,480
especially Elle's mom, that
Doctor Brown would, you know, I

2862
02:41:10,480 --> 02:41:14,120
don't, it's not outside the
realm of possibility.

2863
02:41:14,680 --> 02:41:16,880
It's just.
I would prefer that not to be

2864
02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:19,560
the case.
Because we.

2865
02:41:19,560 --> 02:41:20,560
We.
Have enough?

2866
02:41:20,760 --> 02:41:23,960
We have enough.
Abuse going on.

2867
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:27,720
As it is, yeah, I didn't even
think about.

2868
02:41:27,720 --> 02:41:30,480
It that way this is.
I didn't think.

2869
02:41:30,480 --> 02:41:35,880
About it as in it's a lot you
added more to but I I was going,

2870
02:41:35,880 --> 02:41:40,120
I was OK with it just being.
11's.

2871
02:41:40,120 --> 02:41:43,760
Mom and then they did the blood
on all the other women while

2872
02:41:43,760 --> 02:41:47,080
pregnant.
But hearing Anthony said, I'm

2873
02:41:47,080 --> 02:41:50,120
like, no, OK, I'm going to leave
that theory alone because that

2874
02:41:50,120 --> 02:41:53,320
is a little bit more extreme.
That's.

2875
02:41:53,800 --> 02:41:56,960
And I wasn't even thinking of
like and them not actually being

2876
02:41:56,960 --> 02:41:59,040
together.
It's like, you get it, You you

2877
02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:03,600
already took advantage of Henry.
And I'm saying like you took

2878
02:42:03,600 --> 02:42:07,240
advantage of them because, yes,
he's powerful, but you put a

2879
02:42:07,240 --> 02:42:12,240
block on them and then you make
him help you with these kids

2880
02:42:12,280 --> 02:42:14,280
that you produce from him.
Yeah.

2881
02:42:15,160 --> 02:42:16,520
So then to also.
Take his sperm.

2882
02:42:17,360 --> 02:42:19,440
That just seems to be it's a
lot.

2883
02:42:19,960 --> 02:42:21,320
Yeah.
And see I.

2884
02:42:21,320 --> 02:42:24,160
Wasn't even thinking about it in
the sense that Anthony was

2885
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:28,080
thinking about it, but it's
like, we've been told that this

2886
02:42:28,080 --> 02:42:33,400
was a military program, that
these women who came into this

2887
02:42:33,400 --> 02:42:36,920
program, they volunteered,
remember, because they were

2888
02:42:36,920 --> 02:42:39,280
promised certain things, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.

2889
02:42:39,640 --> 02:42:44,120
So I wasn't thinking of it in
like an abuse situation like

2890
02:42:44,120 --> 02:42:48,320
these women probably agree, OK,
yes, I'll I'll do this program,

2891
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:50,960
I'll get pregnant, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.

2892
02:42:50,960 --> 02:42:55,560
But that still would be.
Abuse.

2893
02:42:55,760 --> 02:43:01,160
On Henry's part.
So yeah, that OK that that would

2894
02:43:02,160 --> 02:43:03,240
that.
Would be a little.

2895
02:43:03,240 --> 02:43:06,320
More disturbing, and that.
I don't know if they.

2896
02:43:06,320 --> 02:43:11,360
Would want to paint Brenner as
Oh well, you know what?

2897
02:43:15,240 --> 02:43:16,280
Because I was going to say maybe
it.

2898
02:43:16,280 --> 02:43:19,040
Wasn't Brenner, maybe it was
Doctor K, and that's why Doctor

2899
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:21,640
K knows about the program but
wasn't with Brenner.

2900
02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:26,160
Maybe that was the line that
Brenner was like, no, maybe he

2901
02:43:26,160 --> 02:43:30,240
found out she did that with
Henry and Terry eyes and he was

2902
02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:33,360
like, you got to go, we're not
doing this, blah, blah blah blah

2903
02:43:33,360 --> 02:43:37,920
blah.
Because we still don't know.

2904
02:43:37,920 --> 02:43:40,560
The extent of Doctor K's
involvement with Doctor Brenner,

2905
02:43:41,040 --> 02:43:43,600
Right?
And she knows enough to know how

2906
02:43:43,600 --> 02:43:46,200
to duplicate his program, right.
And I'm.

2907
02:43:46,440 --> 02:43:49,280
I'm thinking, and I really don't
know.

2908
02:43:49,480 --> 02:43:52,120
And I don't know if this is
related to anything else.

2909
02:43:52,440 --> 02:43:54,600
Like I'm thinking she's actually
from the origin.

2910
02:43:54,680 --> 02:43:58,960
The.
Never mind what?

2911
02:43:58,960 --> 02:44:00,680
The original program.
Yeah.

2912
02:44:02,800 --> 02:44:07,160
Well, someone did say.
MK like will be Martin and Kate

2913
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:08,840
and like.
Brenner was.

2914
02:44:08,840 --> 02:44:12,240
Like maybe one of their students
and he branched off and did that

2915
02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:16,840
and then she then.
Saw what he was.

2916
02:44:16,840 --> 02:44:20,480
Doing and that's why she's
trying to find the the kids that

2917
02:44:20,480 --> 02:44:22,760
was left over to do what he did,
but.

2918
02:44:25,960 --> 02:44:27,680
Then what she.
Had in mind was something

2919
02:44:27,680 --> 02:44:31,320
totally different and he went
off and did his own thing and

2920
02:44:31,360 --> 02:44:36,400
he's like oh OK well that's we
can use that now I don't know OK

2921
02:44:37,040 --> 02:44:39,040
all right.
The and they had to know each

2922
02:44:39,040 --> 02:44:40,720
other.
Yeah.

2923
02:44:40,800 --> 02:44:41,960
Absolutely.
When they say.

2924
02:44:42,040 --> 02:44:45,800
MK Ultra there was Martin, but
when did we get MK?

2925
02:44:45,800 --> 02:44:51,320
Ultra from.
When that was the program.

2926
02:44:51,320 --> 02:44:51,720
Right.
Yeah.

2927
02:44:51,720 --> 02:44:52,520
When?
Robin.

2928
02:44:52,520 --> 02:44:54,960
And which we call going through
the microfichs.

2929
02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:58,840
Yeah, so she.
Yeah, so.

2930
02:44:58,840 --> 02:45:01,480
She's.
She's I mean, she's the the, the

2931
02:45:01,480 --> 02:45:04,560
OG.
And well, I think they they.

2932
02:45:05,000 --> 02:45:06,880
Did they started?
They probably started it.

2933
02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:08,440
Together.
Yeah.

2934
02:45:08,440 --> 02:45:10,960
That's why I'm saying they
probably started it together,

2935
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:13,840
you know, a scientist and.
She was a military scientist and

2936
02:45:14,160 --> 02:45:15,760
they.
They assigned.

2937
02:45:15,760 --> 02:45:18,600
To him or working together,
yeah, but he went off.

2938
02:45:18,600 --> 02:45:20,400
And did his own shit.
That's what I'm trying to say.

2939
02:45:20,400 --> 02:45:23,520
Like he no, I'm saying she
probably was the one who went

2940
02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:25,920
off like.
She was the one.

2941
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:31,320
If, if this whole Henry Creole
is Elle's biological father

2942
02:45:31,320 --> 02:45:36,440
thing is true, if, if that turns
out to be something I'm saying,

2943
02:45:36,760 --> 02:45:40,400
I don't think Brenner would have
done that because again, Brenner

2944
02:45:40,400 --> 02:45:44,840
formed a bond with the children
that he that he was under him.

2945
02:45:45,120 --> 02:45:48,080
I don't think he would have
violated them in that way

2946
02:45:48,080 --> 02:45:51,520
because he did look at them as
like his children.

2947
02:45:52,040 --> 02:45:55,640
But he was there when.
But he was there from the

2948
02:45:55,640 --> 02:45:58,640
beginning.
Listen to what I'm saying.

2949
02:45:58,800 --> 02:46:01,600
I'm saying we're saying both of
them were there from the

2950
02:46:01,600 --> 02:46:03,400
beginning.
They were partners.

2951
02:46:03,400 --> 02:46:05,960
No, I'm saying beginning.
OK, never mind.

2952
02:46:06,080 --> 02:46:14,400
I'm saying before the kids and
before Henry begin, but Henry

2953
02:46:14,400 --> 02:46:20,360
was the start of the program.
That's why he's. #1 Henry was

2954
02:46:20,760 --> 02:46:23,600
part of the program.
No, we talk about it next week.

2955
02:46:24,520 --> 02:46:27,840
OK, OK.
And and.

2956
02:46:28,360 --> 02:46:31,680
And, and the other thing is you
can just look at it and say,

2957
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:35,920
well, she's looking at military
applications.

2958
02:46:36,480 --> 02:46:39,520
He's in it just for the science.
Yeah.

2959
02:46:39,520 --> 02:46:42,400
So.
Basically whoever was with the

2960
02:46:42,400 --> 02:46:50,680
suitcase of the guy in The Cave
time, which is before OK, OK, so

2961
02:46:50,680 --> 02:46:52,840
whatever that is, I don't know
what that is.

2962
02:46:53,040 --> 02:46:55,880
OK, so that's something that's
coming from some research or

2963
02:46:55,880 --> 02:46:57,840
something.
Something is happening.

2964
02:46:57,840 --> 02:47:00,080
I see what you're saying.
I'm saying I'm saying from that

2965
02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:03,120
beginning.
OK, OK, You know when they may

2966
02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:07,160
have just ideas And then and
then Henry comes along and

2967
02:47:07,160 --> 02:47:09,680
you're like, oh shit.
I'm just saying they reason.

2968
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:12,880
Why they weren't really together
when by the time we get into the

2969
02:47:12,880 --> 02:47:17,400
story is she's doing military
applications of whatever they're

2970
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:20,200
doing and he's just, he went off
and did something.

2971
02:47:20,200 --> 02:47:23,240
Yeah, because then he starts
researching the wormhole.

2972
02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:27,200
So like he was, he was on his
own stuff.

2973
02:47:30,680 --> 02:47:34,040
And now she's trying.
To replicate that and it's not

2974
02:47:34,040 --> 02:47:36,920
working.
I don't even.

2975
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:39,120
I don't even know it.
Was she really trying to

2976
02:47:39,120 --> 02:47:40,840
replicate it?
Yeah, he's trying to.

2977
02:47:40,840 --> 02:47:42,960
Continue in.
The program she was already

2978
02:47:42,960 --> 02:47:45,360
doing.
We don't know we.

2979
02:47:45,600 --> 02:47:47,080
Don't know what time they split
up.

2980
02:47:47,080 --> 02:47:48,920
That's what I'm trying to say.
Yeah, yeah.

2981
02:47:48,920 --> 02:47:53,800
When they split, they split
before he start doing creating,

2982
02:47:54,960 --> 02:48:00,760
you know, numbers or did they
split up in the midst of

2983
02:48:00,760 --> 02:48:01,560
creating?
She was.

2984
02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:06,960
She was probably.
His boss and when he died that

2985
02:48:06,960 --> 02:48:09,720
was when she's like let me go
find out what the hell is going

2986
02:48:09,720 --> 02:48:11,480
on.
Then she finds out about Cali

2987
02:48:11,880 --> 02:48:15,000
being around.
Boom, we can do this program all

2988
02:48:15,000 --> 02:48:18,360
over again.
Start it back up OK and.

2989
02:48:18,360 --> 02:48:22,640
See, he seems like he had no
interest in Cali, no?

2990
02:48:22,880 --> 02:48:24,960
He did not.
But that's what I think.

2991
02:48:24,960 --> 02:48:28,160
There's a reason why.
Like because 11 is perfect.

2992
02:48:28,280 --> 02:48:31,960
Vessel, I mean 11 is.
And that's why it's not working

2993
02:48:31,960 --> 02:48:34,800
now with these pregnant women.
I feel sorry because they about

2994
02:48:34,800 --> 02:48:37,800
to collapse the wormhole and
there's a bunch of pregnant

2995
02:48:37,800 --> 02:48:41,560
women who are dying anyway.
But that's sad.

2996
02:48:41,680 --> 02:48:44,360
You're not thinking that part
because they're not going to

2997
02:48:44,360 --> 02:48:47,200
save them.
Yeah, but they're dying.

2998
02:48:47,200 --> 02:48:48,840
But they're dying already
anyway.

2999
02:48:48,840 --> 02:48:49,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

3000
02:48:49,960 --> 02:48:56,240
The other theory real quick is I
heard someone say that Cali may

3001
02:48:56,240 --> 02:48:59,880
be the mind flayer.
And I was thinking.

3002
02:48:59,880 --> 02:49:03,680
About that, I was like, I don't
know if I feel like that's the

3003
02:49:03,680 --> 02:49:06,720
case, but thinking about it
again.

3004
02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:10,840
You know, they keep saying.
That there is another big bad

3005
02:49:10,840 --> 02:49:16,800
that's that's actually the the
ultimate villain in this show

3006
02:49:16,800 --> 02:49:19,480
and it's not Vecna.
It could be Callie.

3007
02:49:19,600 --> 02:49:23,280
That could be why she's trying
to convince Elle to do such such

3008
02:49:23,280 --> 02:49:25,120
I did.
She could be the one that's

3009
02:49:25,120 --> 02:49:29,040
actually controlling Henry or.
As she calls.

3010
02:49:29,040 --> 02:49:33,840
Them, their brother, their
brother, like everyone is like,

3011
02:49:33,840 --> 02:49:36,720
we don't call him her brother.
He's passed that part.

3012
02:49:38,440 --> 02:49:42,560
I just saw that too.
I saw that because someone

3013
02:49:42,560 --> 02:49:47,560
posted like what her name means
with the tattoo on her neck

3014
02:49:47,560 --> 02:49:54,200
means and I'm like and then they
put that her episode.

3015
02:49:54,200 --> 02:49:58,480
Was it all in front of the
episode the the mine flare

3016
02:49:58,480 --> 02:50:01,960
episode?
Oh.

3017
02:50:02,280 --> 02:50:04,600
Like it was her episode.
And then the next episode was

3018
02:50:04,600 --> 02:50:09,920
the mine Flare episode.
OK, OK, so I was like, and then

3019
02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:13,400
you know her name is like, you
know the.

3020
02:50:13,720 --> 02:50:15,880
The.
Dark Mother.

3021
02:50:15,880 --> 02:50:17,600
Earth or.
Something like that.

3022
02:50:17,680 --> 02:50:20,480
Well, she's a.
Polly is a Hindu.

3023
02:50:20,480 --> 02:50:27,080
Goddess, yes, and I think she's.
I just saw.

3024
02:50:27,240 --> 02:50:31,760
Her, her, she's like the goddess
of like, I think chaos and

3025
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:38,280
destruction, so which they
called the abyss.

3026
02:50:38,840 --> 02:50:41,640
Yeah, so.
Yeah, I.

3027
02:50:41,840 --> 02:50:43,560
I.
Think she's probably.

3028
02:50:44,680 --> 02:50:46,920
OK, so.
But I mean, but we didn't trust

3029
02:50:46,920 --> 02:50:49,840
her anyway, so if she.
Is the.

3030
02:50:49,840 --> 02:50:52,480
Big, big, bad.
Then that would kind of fall in

3031
02:50:52,480 --> 02:50:54,000
line.
And that just mean that, yeah,

3032
02:50:54,960 --> 02:50:57,120
yeah, 'cause she's like, it's
called the black.

3033
02:50:57,120 --> 02:51:04,520
She's the black Mother Earth and
a home plane is the abyss.

3034
02:51:07,480 --> 02:51:09,920
Hey y'all, she's.
Chaotic Evil.

3035
02:51:10,200 --> 02:51:14,360
Her alignment is Chaotic evil.
Chaos charm combat.

3036
02:51:14,840 --> 02:51:17,280
I don't know.
I don't.

3037
02:51:17,280 --> 02:51:19,120
Know if we're stretching?
It and again they're showing

3038
02:51:19,120 --> 02:51:22,680
pictures of her Nosebleed is now
the opposite of what it was.

3039
02:51:22,680 --> 02:51:25,520
I don't know.
Yeah.

3040
02:51:25,800 --> 02:51:27,880
I mean, right now we pulling
their straws.

3041
02:51:30,360 --> 02:51:32,960
Not I mean some.
Are reasonable straws.

3042
02:51:33,560 --> 02:51:38,200
Yeah, it's reasonable that she
ain't who she says she is, not

3043
02:51:38,280 --> 02:51:40,200
outside the room.
Of it's not.

3044
02:51:40,720 --> 02:51:44,920
It's not, but it's not.
But like they said that they

3045
02:51:44,920 --> 02:51:48,240
have calmed the Internet too and
no one has actually.

3046
02:51:49,760 --> 02:51:54,600
Put down they.
Say it, would they the brothers?

3047
02:51:56,000 --> 02:51:58,240
They that no one.
Has actually, you know.

3048
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:02,880
Guessed it guessed.
Guessed right correctly, so I

3049
02:52:02,880 --> 02:52:05,560
don't know.
But that was like a couple.

3050
02:52:05,560 --> 02:52:08,200
Weeks ago.
Who knows now, right?

3051
02:52:09,160 --> 02:52:10,080
Well, I.
Mean we had all our.

3052
02:52:10,120 --> 02:52:13,040
Minds less than 48 hours to find
out.

3053
02:52:16,960 --> 02:52:19,880
This is more time.
To for Michelle to watch it

3054
02:52:19,920 --> 02:52:21,760
again.
I'm not I'm.

3055
02:52:21,760 --> 02:52:23,080
Done.
I, I am.

3056
02:52:23,600 --> 02:52:25,680
I'm going to watch it probably
one more time.

3057
02:52:25,680 --> 02:52:28,800
I'm probably going to watch on
scene one more time.

3058
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:31,360
I don't know if I'm going to.
I'm done.

3059
02:52:32,880 --> 02:52:33,480
I'm.
Done.

3060
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:35,160
Yeah.
I don't know if I'm going to do

3061
02:52:35,160 --> 02:52:39,760
any YouTube dies or TikTok dies.
I kind of want to just kind of

3062
02:52:39,760 --> 02:52:43,560
see what I can gather on my own
and then.

3063
02:52:43,600 --> 02:52:45,840
You.
Know and then go from there

3064
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:48,800
because there are a lot of
theories out there floating

3065
02:52:48,800 --> 02:52:50,200
around.
I've tried to stay away from

3066
02:52:50,200 --> 02:52:54,200
most of them.
Some of them, you know, you

3067
02:52:54,200 --> 02:52:58,680
can't watch it too, because in
the videos they refer to the

3068
02:52:58,680 --> 02:53:00,720
play.
So then you don't need to watch

3069
02:53:00,720 --> 02:53:02,800
anything because they will refer
to the play.

3070
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:04,680
Yeah.
And I don't want, I don't want

3071
02:53:04,680 --> 02:53:07,160
to, I don't want to take that
into consideration yet.

3072
02:53:07,160 --> 02:53:10,960
So.
You guys have anything else?

3073
02:53:10,960 --> 02:53:14,960
You want to talk about for
volume to, I know we've been

3074
02:53:14,960 --> 02:53:18,360
talking a long time, but we it,
it was a lot to go through.

3075
02:53:19,040 --> 02:53:23,480
And this is one thing I do want
to say for those of y'all who

3076
02:53:23,480 --> 02:53:26,960
were saying Volume 2 was boring,
what show were y'all watching?

3077
02:53:28,160 --> 02:53:31,680
Don't know and.
That that it wasn't like because

3078
02:53:32,040 --> 02:53:36,040
here's here's what I here's my
argument and y'all can get me in

3079
02:53:36,040 --> 02:53:39,360
the comments section.
When people talk.

3080
02:53:39,360 --> 02:53:43,880
About volume 1 was was better.
What is the one?

3081
02:53:43,880 --> 02:53:45,360
Thing.
There's only one thing people

3082
02:53:45,360 --> 02:53:48,480
talk about from volume one.
What is that?

3083
02:53:49,480 --> 02:53:51,040
What is it?
We'll, we'll be in the one

3084
02:53:51,040 --> 02:53:55,880
thing.
Yeah, you're not even.

3085
02:53:55,880 --> 02:54:01,440
Looking at everything else,
episode 1234, you're just like,

3086
02:54:01,440 --> 02:54:05,640
oh, will the sorcerer.
So yes, that was great, you

3087
02:54:05,640 --> 02:54:09,760
know, but 5. 6 and. 7's not
trying to compete with that

3088
02:54:10,520 --> 02:54:14,000
right, That one part.
So everyone's holding up the he

3089
02:54:14,000 --> 02:54:17,160
was the sorcerer and you're
forgetting about everything that

3090
02:54:17,160 --> 02:54:21,960
happened in 1234 and.
Comparing. 567 to the one

3091
02:54:21,960 --> 02:54:24,440
moment, yeah.
Which?

3092
02:54:24,440 --> 02:54:27,880
Was fantastic when you got we
heard another characters that

3093
02:54:27,880 --> 02:54:29,280
you need to close out there,
right?

3094
02:54:29,560 --> 02:54:32,960
And we're closing.
We're coming to the end like

3095
02:54:33,400 --> 02:54:37,200
this wasn't about battles and
plans.

3096
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:40,080
It has always been about these
characters and what they're

3097
02:54:40,080 --> 02:54:43,320
going through, right?
And we're getting closure.

3098
02:54:43,320 --> 02:54:48,480
We're getting conversations that
we were hoping for for seasons.

3099
02:54:48,920 --> 02:54:51,320
We're getting it.
So yeah, I have a problem with

3100
02:54:51,320 --> 02:54:54,040
people saying right, you know
what I'm saying?

3101
02:54:54,040 --> 02:54:55,600
Yeah.
Do I wish it was longer

3102
02:54:55,600 --> 02:54:57,160
episodes?
Yes.

3103
02:54:58,080 --> 02:54:59,000
Give me.
Season.

3104
02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:04,000
Four me episodes, right?
Only because it's the end and I

3105
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:09,000
want more.
But it's fitting now.

3106
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:12,440
I don't know if I can watch
episodes one through 7.

3107
02:55:12,680 --> 02:55:15,400
I can make it work while I'm
working tomorrow.

3108
02:55:15,400 --> 02:55:17,320
I can watch episodes one through
7.

3109
02:55:17,360 --> 02:55:21,720
So Anthony, you're gonna have to
watch them one more time before

3110
02:55:21,720 --> 02:55:25,160
Wednesday.
Sorry for episode 1.

3111
02:55:25,280 --> 02:55:28,000
Anthony, you have any final
thoughts on Volume 2?

3112
02:55:29,120 --> 02:55:30,000
No.
I liked it.

3113
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:34,120
It was good.
I do like the idea of it being

3114
02:55:34,120 --> 02:55:38,080
very similar to my Mass Effect
game where we have the missions

3115
02:55:38,080 --> 02:55:41,880
where everyone gets their heads
clear before going into the

3116
02:55:41,880 --> 02:55:43,320
final battle.
OK.

3117
02:55:44,040 --> 02:55:47,440
You know.
And but again, I don't think

3118
02:55:47,440 --> 02:55:49,400
anyone's going to die other than
Kali.

3119
02:55:49,560 --> 02:55:54,120
I think Kali is marked for death
so.

3120
02:55:54,520 --> 02:55:55,960
You don't think that one?
Is going to die.

3121
02:55:57,680 --> 02:55:58,640
Or Henry.
Or.

3122
02:55:58,640 --> 02:56:02,440
One or well, I think this.
Mr. What?

3123
02:56:02,520 --> 02:56:07,560
I think this up in the air, OK,
Because there's a lot of things

3124
02:56:07,560 --> 02:56:11,840
they can do with this character
that that would make sense, and

3125
02:56:11,840 --> 02:56:14,320
some of them don't involve
death, OK.

3126
02:56:16,040 --> 02:56:20,000
Because I do like the idea.
That, you know, going back to

3127
02:56:20,760 --> 02:56:25,440
the Hill Fire Club's campaign
where destiny gets roll a 20 and

3128
02:56:25,440 --> 02:56:30,000
here we have a 28 one and 11.
That that would be.

3129
02:56:30,200 --> 02:56:34,120
They need to defeat.
The the my flare.

3130
02:56:34,120 --> 02:56:35,000
Oh, where?
Where he?

3131
02:56:35,000 --> 02:56:35,880
Where he?
Where he?

3132
02:56:38,320 --> 02:56:39,520
What?
Oh.

3133
02:56:39,640 --> 02:56:41,120
You hadn't heard that?
Yeah.

3134
02:56:41,600 --> 02:56:45,120
Yeah, because remember.
Destin, not Destin.

3135
02:56:45,640 --> 02:56:48,360
Erica rolled 20.
Yes.

3136
02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:50,160
So they can win, I just.
What you just.

3137
02:56:50,360 --> 02:56:52,280
Said and Will did Season 1 and
Will.

3138
02:56:52,280 --> 02:56:54,760
Did season one too OK, but what
you just.

3139
02:56:54,760 --> 02:56:57,640
Said about there being a 8:00 or
1:00 and 11:00 I never.

3140
02:56:58,280 --> 02:57:03,000
Yeah, someone said.
The 8111 needs to to end it all.

3141
02:57:04,080 --> 02:57:06,200
Wow.
Unless will.

3142
02:57:06,200 --> 02:57:10,520
Is the new one.
But we'll see.

3143
02:57:11,160 --> 02:57:13,920
Yeah.
We'll see, but we have less than

3144
02:57:13,920 --> 02:57:16,080
41.
He's the one.

3145
02:57:16,240 --> 02:57:19,080
He's the one.
He's the one we have less than

3146
02:57:19,080 --> 02:57:21,720
48 hours till we.
Get to the.

3147
02:57:21,720 --> 02:57:26,480
End of Stranger Things and we
are all going to the movie

3148
02:57:26,480 --> 02:57:30,160
theaters to see it at 8:00 on
Wednesday, or the three of us, I

3149
02:57:30,160 --> 02:57:32,000
should say.
We're going to see it.

3150
02:57:32,280 --> 02:57:35,440
We will probably hang out
afterwards, maybe do a little

3151
02:57:35,440 --> 02:57:40,000
bit of a live before we actually
record our final thoughts.

3152
02:57:40,000 --> 02:57:46,320
But yeah, I guess for now,
that's it for a show.

3153
02:57:47,080 --> 02:57:51,200
You can find us online.
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3154
02:57:51,200 --> 02:57:53,680
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3155
02:57:53,680 --> 02:57:57,280
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3156
02:57:57,280 --> 02:57:59,920
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3157
02:57:59,920 --> 02:58:03,480
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3158
02:58:03,800 --> 02:58:05,480
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3159
02:58:05,480 --> 02:58:37,840
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