The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 1 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #349

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and we are
discussing the Season 2 premiere

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of The Last of Us.
I hate these long hiatuses.

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I really do.
But they're worth it.

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They are so worth it.
They are worth it this episode.

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Quality, Quality television.
It is.

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At its best, quality television.
But.

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However.
Ellie's getting on my damn

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nerves already.
The longing is real.

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The longing is real.
The longing is real and she is

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getting on my damn nerves
already.

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I, I, I heard Casey in my head,
even though Ellie is 21 where we

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are now.
I was like, this girl need a

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whooping.
She need a whooping.

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Like she really needs a
whooping.

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But we're going to get into
that.

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You know, but the the counselor
side to me says it's, it's a

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trauma.
Trauma response, I know.

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Trauma response.
I know for both both of them

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it's a trauma response.
I know and and the crazy.

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Thing is, we don't even know.
Like we don't even know what she

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knows because the start of the
show is, you know, it's five

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years after what happened in the
last season.

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So we don't even know yet what
she knows.

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We just knows.
We just know that there is a a

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bit of an estrangement with
them, but.

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I still don't think he told her.
I don't.

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Think so.
I don't think he told her, but I

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think she probably has guessed.
No, I think she know he ain't

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telling her.
We'll, we'll get to that.

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I I just think she, she knows
he's not telling her the entire

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truth.
Right.

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And, and we'll, we'll get to
that when we get to the part

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with the therapist.
Yes, we will.

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OK, so let's start at the top of
the episode because we see that

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part that the season ended on
last season where she's asking.

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She was like, swear to me that
you're telling me the truth

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about what happened with the
fireflies.

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And he looks at her, doesn't
matter eyelash.

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And he's like, I swear.
And it's like, I think we had

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this discussion with the last
with that last episode.

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It's almost like you can't tell
if she's, if she's not believing

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him, like she thinks he's
telling, you know, a lie, or if

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she's just to the point where
she's just like, OK, you know

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what he says.
It's the truth.

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I'm not going to push.
I'm just going to accept it and

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just move forward because she
kind of she takes a long time

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and it's just like she's looking
at him and then she's just like,

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OK.
And then she walks on and I

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don't know if him standing there
for be after she walks is what

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makes her like, he's not telling
me the truth.

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Because I think if he had been
clear, you know, of a clear

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mind, he would have just started
walking with her with no, with

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no problem.
But the fact that he sat there

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and he just kind of stood, I was
like, yeah, that's where the

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bridge started.
Well, he hesitated after she

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asked him, and then she walked
off and he still stood there.

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Yeah, Yeah.
But I think subconsciously, I

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think she she has some suspicion
that he's not being completely

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honest about what happened.
Right, right.

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Whatever it is, whatever went
down, whatever she knows, he's

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not telling, 'cause he killed
everybody there.

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Yes, as we see in the next
episode, I mean the next scene,

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because we see a group and it's
like a group of his, what, five

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of them?
And they're there with a whole

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bunch of, you know, grave
markers.

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And they're upset.
And they're just like, why would

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he do this?
And they're having this

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conversation between themselves.
And one of the girls says, well,

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I heard something about a kid he
had with him and supposedly, and

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the other girl cut her off and
said, no, don't say it because

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it's not true.
And in this moment, you realize

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that not everybody in the
Fireflies was aware.

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One, they weren't aware of who
Ellie was.

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And two, they weren't aware of
what the situation was like, why

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she was being brought there, and
what they were going to have to

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do in order to do whatever it
was they needed her to do.

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Because obviously this little
group really don't know what

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Ellie was there for.
They just know that Joel came in

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and they don't even really know
much.

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About him, Somebody name Joel or
Joe or whatever.

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Yeah, just came in and cleaned
house and they're like it even,

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you know, even if it was true,
the rumors about what Ellie was,

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it makes no sense without.
And they're like cutting each

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other off.
Like they don't even want to say

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their names.
And there's the one girl that's

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sitting there who's like,
really, really pissed.

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And I already know that this is
Abby.

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And I already know that just
preliminarily, I'm not to like

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her because I know what she does
in the video game.

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So it's kind of hard because I'm
trying to be open minded.

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I'm trying not to have a
prejudice against this girl from

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jump.
That's from jump already.

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Day one.
Alright, you can see she's

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upset.
You can see she's talking about

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going after Joel, finding him
and killing him.

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And on the one hand, I really, I
really sympathize with her.

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I really understand.
I really do.

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We had that conversation like,
was Joel right?

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Was he wrong?
Like there's so many Shades of

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Grey with that but you don't
even know why.

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Like like y'all say you don't
know why he did it you.

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Don't.
You don't have any clue as to

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what was going on.
Y'all don't know what they were

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about to do to this girl.
There's just a lot of there's a

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lot of prejudgments being made,
which I understand.

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These are your people.
They've been killed.

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They've been, you know,
slaughtered.

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You tried to save some of them.
You ended up having to bury

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them.
I get it.

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And your friends are kind of
there.

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They're upset, but they're not
as angry as this girl.

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Speaking of which, hi, Danny
Ramirez, because he's one of the

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people that's in here.
But the anger on this girl's

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face, like you feel it coming
through the screen, this girl

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who, whoever she is, this Abby
girl, you feel her anger.

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And I was just sitting there
like, I'm going to try to keep

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an open mind based on what you
find out.

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But right now I don't like you
because I know what I know what

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your anger means.
Well, the fact that she said

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that she's going to kill Joel.
Slowly, slowly, I was like.

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That that would right there
would make you not want to like

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her.
Yeah, that right there.

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But but the we got bigger fish
to fry.

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We're trying to survive.
We're trying to make it and you

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want to do this side quest?
Come on.

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Well, I mean.
If.

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You, we got a place to, he said.
We got a place to go.

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We go to Seattle and and they'll
take us in, blah blah, blah,

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blah, blah.
But no, you want to take a side

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quest to put yourself in
imminent danger at all times.

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Right, because if this if this
one person did this to your, to

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your camp with all those people,
all those guns.

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I ain't even got that part yet,
but the fact that you going

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after this dude on top of all
the other stuff you're going to

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have to get through because you
got to find them.

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And that means you got to go out
and venture out and and check

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things out and track down leads.
All the while the Cordyceps is

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just floating around floating
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What?
Come on, I I.

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I know, but I mean also too if.
You think?

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About it in that way, you said
she they have bigger fish to fry

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in her mind.
Joel just took away a very big

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part of that of, of, of solving
that problem.

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But do we don't even know if she
really knows?

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I I know, but I mean, but they
know the fireflies were working

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on something, so in her mind she
could be justified for doing

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that.
OK.

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I But I know you, and I know you
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Know but you you feel like you
justified for something that

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what was it?
What was it?

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You can either, you can even
mourn the living.

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No, you can even mourn the dead.
Or what was that saying?

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Someone said it's something that
we recently watched it.

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Was it had?
Was it the will?

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It had to be all the time.
Oh, the the Tuatha one.

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We bury our dead and we go on.
What else is there?

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Right.
Yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, the whole thing that
makes all of this difficult is

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we as the viewers, we see what's
happening on both sides.

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We see what's happening with
with both sides of this coin.

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And we know that when Joel
brought Ellie to the Firefly

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camp, they both had all
intentions of Ellie doing

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whatever it was she needed to do
in order to help save humanity

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and maybe get rid of the coryps.
Joel and let's be honest, Ellie,

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neither one of them were given
all of the facts.

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They weren't given all the
details.

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You know, they literally had
Ellie already under anesthesia,

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about to undergo the surgery
that was going to kill her

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without telling her that this
was what was going to happen.

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At least that's the gist that we
got from the way the

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conversation with Marlene and
Joel went.

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Like, y'all, y'all basically
told her she was going to save

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people, but y'all didn't tell
her that, you know, when you put

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her to sleep to do whatever you
doing that she's not going to

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wake up.
And that was that was the moral

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dilemma.
Like do you have the right to

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take that choice away from
someone even if it means saving

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the world?
Yeah, well, she didn't have

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informed consent.
They didn't tell her what was

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going to happen.
Yeah.

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So yeah, again, I understand why
Joe with him.

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I understand it.
But then you have the people on

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the other side of it, the people
on the Firefly side who don't

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have all the details as well.
They didn't know what Marlene

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was about to do.
They didn't know what this

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doctor was about to do.
They just knew, OK, yes, we're

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working on a cure.
They didn't tell everyone that

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the cure meant they were going
to have to kill someone.

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And it's like if, if these
people, if Abby and this, this

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group of other people, if they
knew that, would they still feel

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the same way about what Joel
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And that's I think is gonna be
the real like when they

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eventually come face to face,
because, you know, they're gonna

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come face to face.
That's gonna be the big

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question.
Like, is Abby gonna be able to

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calm down enough to let Joel
explain to her what happened?

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And then is Joel going to, I
don't know, allow her to be

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justified in her anger?
But he also has to deal with

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Ellie and her anger first.
There's nothing Joe can say to

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Abby I.
Know.

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That is going to change anything
for her.

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Yeah.
Right now, all she sees is red.

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She sees red.
Yeah.

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And even if, even if they do get
to the point where they have a

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conversation and he explains to
her exactly what happened, even

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in her mind she might be like,
OK, I can understand, but you

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don't have to kill everybody.
You killed everybody.

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Not just Marlene.
You killed the doctor.

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Well, he killed everybody
getting to Ellie that that was

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in, they were in the way.
He wasn't trying to kill

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everybody.
They all came after him.

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I and and I understand that, but
it's kind of like you could have

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just it.
Was like you said, OK, I got to

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kill every fucking God damn in
here right now.

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No, it's I'm going to Ellie and
anyone in my way is going.

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They were in.
When you got to the doctor, you

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don't have to kill the doctor.
I mean, think about the doctors

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in this world, as we have seen
so far, they are very few and

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far in between.
Yeah, that.

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Might that might have been
unnecessary, but I, I I don't

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know yeah, it may have been an
unnecessary death, but he

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because.
You not only take away what he

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was doing to Ellie, but you take
away him being able to help

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other people with other things
that have nothing to do with

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courtesy.
But but first of all, he wasn't

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even a real doctor.
He was, what was he a dentist or

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something?
Chiropractor.

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I I don't mean to say he wasn't
a real doctor, but he wasn't a

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neurosurgeon, so he would.
Have probably fucked it up

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anyway.
He.

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Yeah, he, he, he probably, I'm
not, not to diss on dentist, but

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he probably didn't have the
skills to keep her alive and do

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what he needs to do.
I was.

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Going to say you're not dissing
on a dentist.

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A dentist works in the mouth,
not in the brain.

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That's not a diss, that's you
are.

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You are under qualified for this
position, Sir.

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I'm just saying even if he had
done the surgical rotation in

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neurology, he still didn't have
the skills to go into somebody's

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brain, pull out a biopsy and do
some tests on it.

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No, he was going to cut her head
open and pull the brain out and

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then save the brain.
The brain stem, right?

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He even though he was looking
for they were guessing.

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Yeah.
That's why she was going to die

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'cause they didn't have no clue.
Well, I think she was going to

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die anyway, because from what
Marlene was saying, I think the

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part of the brain that they have
to activate in order to reverse

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whatever it is that the
Cordyceps are doing, it's in a

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part of the brain that you can't
get to without the host dying.

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Exactly.
So yeah, she was going to be a

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goner either way.
And then it's kind of like you

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think about what Joe's thinking,
OK.

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Hold on, kill her.
Hold on.

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Let's back up a second now
Wendy, Marlene become me steamy

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or me dreamy from how how well
they had.

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Other doctors.
That's that's what she was

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saying, Like they had other
doctors working on whatever.

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Because I'm pretty sure they're
not going to have all the

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doctors in one location.
You're not going to put all your

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games in one basket because a
crazy motherfucker like Joel

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might come along and kill
everybody.

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Of course, of course, the the
biggest, most important thing

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that ever happened to the
Fireflies and you don't have the

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doctors there to know what
they're doing.

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I'm just saying, you know, I.
I I'm just saying it.

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Marlene.
Marlene.

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Because the other doctors could
have been way across the

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country.
And guess what?

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You wait, you wait.
But Marlene, they couldn't wait.

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And Marlene was.
I'm just saying we can't believe

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all these people and that's and
that's and that is probably what

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was going through Joel's head.
Like y'all didn't tell me this

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to begin with.
You didn't tell her this to

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begin with.
What else are y'all not telling

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what you're thinking?
What kind of doctor is he?

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He don't even know what the hell
he doing.

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Do you know what he's doing?
Y'all even know what is going

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on?
Is this even going to work?

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Y'all even sure this is going to
work?

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Right.
And not not having been the

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person who played the game, but
knowing how video games go, I'm

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pretty sure we we did a deep
dive into the lore.

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We find out it probably wasn't
going to work anyway because her

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situation is really unique.
Yeah, I have questions.

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I feel like she can infect
people for some reason.

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I think if she bit somebody or
really tried or in her blood, I

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have a feeling she can probably
infect people.

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Yeah, other than 'cause like, I
swear that one time when she

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tried to put her blood on that
boy's wound, yeah, I swear it

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went faster.
Oh yeah, that that's a good one.

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He turned faster.
'Cause he turned overnight.

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He turned fast.
Like in a few hours, yeah.

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Right.
So I'm just saying there's a lot

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about and I know that the
people, the, the game, whatever,

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I know that's not the important
part of the story, but it is

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very interesting to think about
the ramifications of her being

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almost like a hybrid.
Yeah, because what would have

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happened if if, let's say they
had moved on with the surgery,

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let's say the glove broke and
the blood would have gotten onto

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the like, like you said, we
don't know how that would have

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affected them.
That's a really good point

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because at this point, we really
don't know anything about

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Ellie's blood except for the
fact that she was born after her

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mother was infected.
Infected.

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She's been bitten and she seems
to be immune.

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But yeah, we, we don't know what
all of that entails.

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And that's probably something
that Marlene and the fireflies,

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the doctors, that's something
they probably should have done

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first.
Like you're about to just go

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brains deep into this child and
you don't know anything about

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her medical history.
I mean, I'm sure they had some

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stuff because again, Marlene was
a friend of her mom's and kind

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of was watching over her this
whole time.

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So I'm sure maybe something was
out there.

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But also, too, if you think
somebody is immune, you are not

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going to, like, just be sending
them to the doctor for the

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doctor to find that out because
then you really have no control

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over the situation.
Yeah.

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Especially with the way the
government was working where

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they were at the time.
Because remember, the Fireflies

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are the resistance group.
So if they had, you know, if

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they have found Ellie figured
out that she was immune, this

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story wouldn't even be taking
place now because they would

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have already had her and been
experimenting on her and doing

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all this other stuff.
They should have done their due

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diligence.
Before you just.

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You just stick her on a slab and
be like, OK, we're going to cut

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into her brain.
Yeah, I, I still don't.

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I know we need to move on, but I
still don't believe she's

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immune.
I just believe she's infected.

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Well.
She's just walking around

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infected and when she gets
bitten, it's like, oh, you're

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already infected, so it doesn't
have to infect her because she's

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already infected.
They they don't even have they

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didn't even like we don't know
if that's the case, if she has

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any bodies that attack the
invade, you know, the invading

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Cordyceps.
Because they didn't do any.

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They didn't do any blood test.
They didn't do any blood test.

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They didn't do anything.
But you know, let let let's move

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on before I we, we keep going
down right.

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We keep going down this rabbit
hole.

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We'll be all night.
But OK, so moving on a a little

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bit further, like I said when I
started this out, OK, Ellie

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being a smart ass when she was
supposed to be like 1516, that

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was kind of sort of cute.
Yeah, it was a little irritating

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at some point, but she was a
child who was carrying the

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weight of the world on her
shoulders.

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Literally.
Like, after being told that you

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could literally save the human
race, you kind of expect her to

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be a little asshole a little
bit.

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Five years later, when you're 21
and you're still being an

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asshole and you're being
irresponsible, you're being

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reckless, you're just being a
smart mouth for no reason.

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Yeah, that stops being cute.
I had to pause this episode

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several times because I was
like, I just want to hear her in

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her mouth.
I really do.

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Yeah, and it's like her, her
cavalier attitude and this

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recklessness is going to get
somebody killed.

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And all because she's mad at
Jolene for what he doesn't even

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know.
Like everybody else can tell

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that you're upset with him, but
you won't talk to him and let

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him know you're just being an
asshole to him and all he's

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trying to do.
Like he, like he said when he

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was with the therapist, I saved
her.

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That's all he did.
But because she may or may not

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have all the facts, Again, this
is five years after the season

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finale.
We don't know what has happened

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in that time.
So we don't know what kind of

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conversations they've had.
We don't know what kind of clues

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he may have given her.
We don't know how their dynamic

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has changed.
It could just be in the way that

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he's acting that she's like, OK,
yeah, you did something fucked

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up because that's the way he
was, you know, when when she met

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him.
Which is again so strange,

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because if you're mad at him for
what you think he did, you have

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to remember he didn't want to go
in the first place.

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No, he didn't.
He was trying to send his

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brother with her one, because he
didn't think he could protect

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her because, you know, he was
having the shakes.

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And you see him at the beginning
of this episode kind of doing

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the thing with his hand like is
not any better.

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But he didn't even want to go
no, because he was like, I don't

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know if I can do what is needed
to to be done to protect her.

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And then we find out, Oh yes,
you can do what you need to do

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to protect her.
Book again, was that the right

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thing?
Was that the wrong thing?

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But he did it.
That's what you wanted him for.

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You wanted him so you could feel
safe for you, so you could feel

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protected.
Guess what?

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That's what he did for you when
you were helpless.

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And now you're taking it out on
him in the ugliest of ways.

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Yeah.
I was just like, I mean when

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your best friend slash potential
crush tell you know when she's

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going to him, like why is she
mad at you?

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What happened?
You don't even know.

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Obviously, something ain't
right.

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Everybody can tell something's
wrong with something's wrong.

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And it's just it again, you
know, they tried to press the

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narrative in this episode.
Joel said it to to Dana.

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He was like, you know, she's a
19 year old girl and I'm, you

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know what I am to her.
And most 19 year olds, they

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don't like their parents.
He was like, I never got there

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with my daughter.
So I don't know how this works.

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OK, yeah, that could be an
excuse.

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But even when you go to the
therapist and the therapist is

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like, Oh my God, you have the
most boring problem in the

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world.
Like all 19 year olds don't like

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their parents.
So it's something more.

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Everybody else sees it.
Joel knows what the issue is, at

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least internally.
He's like, yes, she knows I lie

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to her, but because she won't
say anything and she want I, I

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don't know at this point, girl,
just get it out.

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Get it out so you can move on,
so everybody can move on, so

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everybody doesn't have to be
stuck in your anger and trying

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to tiptoe around all of that.
Like here you are you putting

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his brother in the middle
because you know, Tommy's trying

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to Tommy's trying to treat Ellie
like a grown up.

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He's taking her out to shoot.
You know, they they see some of

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the clickers out kind of in the
distance.

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He's taking her out the shoot.
He's giving her responsibility,

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but then he's also trying to
shield her because he's like, I

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don't, you know, I don't want
Joel to get mad.

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He's worried about you.
And then the whole thing with

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the Fight Club in the in the
beginning of the episode, like

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what the fuck?
What's that?

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That's that's her training.
That's her training and I and I

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get it.
But when you're mad because

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somebody pulled a punch and it
was because, oh, we don't want

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to have to explain it to Joe and
you get even madder.

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Yeah.
Did you not?

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You You obviously didn't see
what you look like in the

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mirror.
No.

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He would have broke your nose.
But, I mean, it's good that

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she's training.
It's good that she's fighting.

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It's good that she's learning
how to shoot.

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It's good that she's going on
patrols.

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But man on man, everything is
not a joke.

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Everything is not, you know, to
be disregarded, like the

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behavior that she did when they
went on the patrol.

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And like the guy, Jesse, he's
literally telling her, OK, don't

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run off on your own.
Listen to the leader.

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Do this.
Do this, follow the instructions

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and if you know, if you see
this, if you see that, come

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back, regroup, blah, blah, blah,
whatever.

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She sees blood and she's like,
oh, OK, let's go.

448
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,960
I was like.
Her recklessness is going to get

449
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,000
somebody killed.
It's going to get somebody

450
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,880
killed, and it's probably going
to be Dina.

451
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,920
I have to say it, she's going to
get her best friend killed

452
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,480
because Dina has a little bit of
that same recklessness.

453
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:19,600
Oh wait, we made it through
episodes and nobody died.

454
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,600
Not for lack of trying.
Nobody died.

455
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,880
Not for lack of trying.
'Cause every, that first season,

456
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,680
end of every episode, somebody
died every episode.

457
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,000
But yeah, nobody died, so we're
good.

458
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,400
But she Ellie almost and she
probably should have, but she

459
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,640
probably still could.
Who knows, because she got bit.

460
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,600
I mean, we'll, we'll get into
that 'cause that that that part

461
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:57,040
of the episode was harrowing.
Yeah, harrowing.

462
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,880
It took me almost, it took me
almost an hour and a half to

463
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,120
watch this episode.
Oh, wow, 'cause I had to keep

464
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,960
pausing, especially at that
part.

465
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,520
I was like, I can't do it.
Can't you?

466
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,240
Yeah, but he told, you know, you
got to listen to the captain.

467
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,960
And then he even went up to them
and was like I need for y'all to

468
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,160
stop joking.
Right.

469
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Can y'all take this seriously a
little bit?

470
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,240
He's like some of the others.
They look up to y'all.

471
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,080
And the last thing you need is a
whole group of people being

472
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:29,240
assholes, being reckless
assholes at that, so.

473
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,080
Yeah, because at the end of the
day, everybody wants to be safe.

474
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,480
Nobody wants to be fucking
around with a clicker, right?

475
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,280
The, the whole, the whole thing
about them being in Jackson, WY,

476
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,040
which is where they are, that
settlement.

477
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,960
This is one of the things that
they do well in this show.

478
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,840
And you know, last year at
Dragon Con, I was on a panel

479
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,880
comparing The Last of Us in The
Walking Dead.

480
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,520
Like what?
What does each show do better?

481
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,440
What does each show do worse?
One of the things about Jackson,

482
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:07,120
Wyoming, this settlement is in
the mountains and they have open

483
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:13,200
views on all sides.
So you can see anything coming.

484
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,840
You it, it's like you have the
most protection.

485
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,360
You're in the mountains.
So when you shoot, that sound is

486
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,920
gonna echo.
So it'll be hard to pinpoint

487
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,440
where it's coming from.
And we know that these

488
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,920
Cordyceps, they they find their
prey by by sound.

489
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,640
So it's kind of like it's smart.
You guys are in a very ideal

490
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,800
location, ideal backdrops, ideal
surroundings.

491
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,520
You're meant to be safe.
And I'm assuming, you know,

492
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,360
yeah, you may have a stray, you
know, Cordyceps that come by,

493
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,840
they seem to be taking care of
it very well.

494
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,200
You know, the town is thriving.
I mean, hell, in this episode,

495
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,480
they're celebrating New Year's
Eve.

496
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,680
They've got music.
They're having a party.

497
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,640
It's a lot of noise and you
would think that that would

498
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,280
attract the Cordyceps.
But again, if if all the the

499
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,520
noise is echoing through the
mountains, those clickers

500
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,880
probably don't know where to go.
I'm still trying to figure out

501
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,120
how to get gas for their
vehicles and then I have.

502
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:26,840
To say at this point, I'm I'm
just saying it's, it's, it's 20

503
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,280
something years into a a
Cordyceps infested apocalypse.

504
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,640
They've probably learned that
they probably grow a lot of corn

505
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,080
somewhere.
They're making, I'm just saying.

506
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,440
OK I I literally have that
because I had the same problem

507
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,560
in Walking Dead.
Walking Dead, but I think

508
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,040
someone had refinery that was.
Yeah, they they, they were make,

509
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,640
they were actually making gas.
But I mean in this show.

510
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,920
Enough people asked the question
how y'all getting all these

511
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,960
vehicles driving around with gas
because gas has this has the

512
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,560
expiration date.
They're probably making more gas

513
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,880
somehow.
OK, I'm not going to question

514
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,440
it.
But also, let's be honest, they

515
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,280
don't have a lot of vehicles.
They do have a lot of horses.

516
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,280
They are traveling a lot by
horse.

517
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,040
They do.
So it could be that they're

518
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,840
rationing their vehicles.
Like they're using the vehicles

519
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,560
to go out on runs where they're
collecting refugees, which

520
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,280
apparently they seem to be doing
a lot of because Joel makes the

521
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,800
comment about it.
You know, they're, they're

522
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,560
taking in so many people that
they can't keep up with the

523
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:40,440
construction around the town.
And I will say this, I like

524
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:45,480
Maria, AKA Tara from True Blood,
but she was one of those people

525
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,280
in this episode.
She was getting on my nerves

526
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,600
too.
Sitting there like this window

527
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,360
is not holding in.
It's not keeping out the cold.

528
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,320
We need to build faster.
And Joel is like, do you not

529
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,120
hear me telling you that we have
a lack of people and this is

530
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,680
moving slow and this is moving
slow?

531
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Like, what do you want us to do?
I don't see you out there

532
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,880
working on the rusted pipes that
we're going to get to.

533
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:16,920
But you know, it's just one of
those things where you can't, I,

534
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:22,360
I don't know you, you can't, you
can't make wine out of thin air.

535
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,320
You don't, you don't even have
water at this point.

536
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,320
There is nothing.
And Joel is trying to make it

537
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,080
work and you keep bringing
people in and then you get upset

538
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,880
at him when he says, well, maybe
y'all need to stop letting

539
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:37,480
people in.
Can.

540
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,640
Can.
We sit back for a second.

541
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,240
How did Joel all of a sudden
become the civil engineer?

542
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,440
Like he wasn't even a part of
the town.

543
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,960
He's, he's stumbled in and now
he's, I don't want to say in the

544
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,920
position of authority, but
apparently they rely on him on,

545
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,960
on the construction and all that
stuff.

546
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,480
Probably because he probably has
the most experience out of

547
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,120
everybody else who's there,
because he was doing that kind

548
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,680
of work before he found his.
Brother, that's true.

549
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,480
And then, of course, when your
brother is, you know, one of the

550
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,640
people in charge of the town
that might cause.

551
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,400
Wasn't he in construction?
Wasn't he in construction?

552
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,880
Yeah, as I forgot about that.
Yeah, so he, I mean, he probably

553
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,200
knows the most out of anybody
except for maybe Tommy.

554
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,000
And, you know, that's all well
and good with his experience,

555
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,280
but one Joel in this show is now
approaching 60.

556
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,040
Yeah, OK.
We already know he has problems

557
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,840
with his hands.
We saw it in the first season.

558
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,120
We saw it in this episode where,
you know, all he was doing was

559
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,720
trying to fix a breaker, and he
had to sit there with his hand.

560
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,800
And so he's not in the best
shape at this point.

561
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,560
And then you have all these
other people coming in probably

562
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,640
at, you know, maybe at a growing
rate.

563
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,719
But if you have people coming in
who don't know how to do that

564
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,600
work, first you got to train
them to do it, and you have to

565
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,480
train them to do it properly.
You can't just put people in

566
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,000
charge.
Like, you're not just going to

567
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,800
call me and say, hey, Hanukkah,
I need you to come build a house

568
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,560
and then put people in.
Why would you do that?

569
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,800
You know?
So it's kind of like her, her

570
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,159
attitude about the whole thing
was kind of irritating because

571
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,840
he's making sense.
And that's the one thing I think

572
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,960
that has irritated me about this
show is because a lot of times

573
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,320
when Joel is talking, Joel is
saying the hard things that

574
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,120
nobody else wants to say.
This has been since episode 1.

575
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,960
Nobody listens to him, but he's
almost always right.

576
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,040
Yeah, but the But the problem
with turning refugees away is

577
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,000
they always come back.
I know, and sometimes they come

578
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,480
back mad.
They come back mad, yeah.

579
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,960
Or they come back and bring
trouble.

580
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,400
Or they come back with more
refugees and they all feel like,

581
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,920
oh y'all not going to let us in.
So we're just going to take this

582
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,560
shit over We're.
Going to figure out how to get

583
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,400
in, yeah?
Yeah, yeah.

584
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,280
And I get it.
But I mean, Joel is making a

585
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,000
point.
He's like, look, we we can't

586
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,280
keep up with with all of these
people coming in.

587
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,480
He was like, I understand.
He was like, if I had my choice,

588
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,120
we'd take them all in.
But if we don't take care of us,

589
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,440
we can't take care of anybody
else, right?

590
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,720
And again, he has a point, but
then Maria has to say that

591
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,320
thing.
Joe, you were a refugee too.

592
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,360
OK, You want you know what?
Let me refugee my ass out of

593
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,680
this town and then y'all see
what y'all gonna do.

594
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Like you just, I don't know.
And and it's been like that ever

595
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,880
since he came to Jackson.
Like Maria has not liked him and

596
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,360
she gives him a hard time.
And you see it like in this

597
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,400
episode, they kind of have a
little bit of a better

598
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,440
relationship, but still she has
that kind of the attitude of,

599
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,000
OK, this is what needs to be
done and you're going to do it.

600
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,760
And don't forget, I'll let you
in here.

601
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,920
I I don't like that.
I don't like that because that

602
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,960
kind of that kind of attitude
can lead to problems, not just

603
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,800
with him and her, but if this is
how you're treating the person

604
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:36,240
who is literally building your
town up, what does that say to

605
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,360
the other people around as far
as how you're going to treat

606
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,880
other people?
You're not going to treat the

607
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,320
refugees better than you are.
The person who's building your

608
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,040
town, the person who's helping
you, you know, helping to put

609
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,200
you in a position where you can
help refugees.

610
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,640
So, yeah, I just.
I didn't like that.

611
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,200
I love the fact that he got to
play with his nephew.

612
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,920
That was cute, you know, little
Benji.

613
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,840
But yeah, I just, I and I don't
know.

614
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,880
Again, this is five years after
everything that happened in the

615
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,200
season finale.
So we don't know what has

616
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,880
transpired with all of these
people and all of these

617
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,040
relationships in that five
years.

618
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,320
I'm pretty sure they'll probably
go back and do flashbacks and

619
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,680
kind of give us a little bit,
you know, feel in the

620
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,200
background.
One thing we do know is that

621
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,000
Joel killed somebody and we
don't know why he killed them.

622
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,720
Yeah, that's good.
Good question.

623
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,080
But, but, but he's, he's going
to see the therapist who is the

624
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,760
wife of the person that he
killed.

625
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,880
Yeah.
That's tough.

626
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,600
That.
Means she she's the only

627
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,800
therapist in town and.
He clearly needs, well, you

628
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,880
know, we always talk about the
fact that all these people in

629
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,960
these shows that we watch, they
need some therapy.

630
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,760
We actually have a person who is
getting therapy.

631
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,320
He's actually getting.
Paid.

632
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,000
Yeah.
Except on the days when his

633
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,640
therapist is celebrating her
birth, her first birthday,

634
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,120
without her husband, the husband
that he killed, and he's been

635
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,760
coming to her trying to get
advice about how to deal with

636
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,880
Ellie.
And she's like, you've been

637
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,000
lying to me this whole time, so
let's cut the bullshit.

638
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,960
No, wait, what?
OK, So what's funny is first

639
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,360
he's like, well, should you be
drinking?

640
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,440
And no, we should not be
drinking as therapist.

641
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,960
And two, so in therapy, when you
get to a point in the

642
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,120
therapeutic relationship when
you're not making any progress,

643
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,560
she switched up.
She did confrontation.

644
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,640
Because normally, normally you
would just say, you know what,

645
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,640
this is not working here.
I'm going to refer you to

646
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,480
somebody else that maybe can
have that, that you can make

647
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,160
progress with.
No, she was like confrontation.

648
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:03,840
So that that is a therapeutic,
that is a therapy thing you can

649
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,960
do, but.
The But the sad thing is that

650
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,040
she had a reason to confront
him.

651
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:14,000
Well, well, she was.
She was using that that self

652
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,520
disclosure as a means to make
him understand why she was

653
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,640
trying.
She knew that he was not being

654
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,960
forthcoming, so she was trying
to give him some self disclosure

655
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,880
to get him to self disclose.
But I was not expecting that to

656
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,960
come out of her.
I was not, I was not expecting

657
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,080
Eugene for Eugene and.
I was like, who is Eugene?

658
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,360
Did we see this?
So then I went to go look it up

659
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,240
and apparently also in the game,
Eugene is kind of a mysterious

660
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:49,560
figure.
Like, apparently he he was part

661
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,800
of the Fireflies and he was
heavily involved with the

662
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,840
fireflies to the point where he
was away from home and lot to

663
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,240
the point where she was like
sending him letters like, please

664
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:04,200
come home, please come home.
And then something happened.

665
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,280
He died.
And I don't think they ever

666
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,000
explained it in the game.
At least that's the gist of what

667
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,720
I read online today.
And I was like, so he's just

668
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:17,880
this specter just kind of
hanging up, hanging around, you

669
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,840
know, just kind of.
Haunting people's thoughts for

670
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,800
what?
Like are we ever going to find

671
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,600
out why he killed them?
Probably not, because that's not

672
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,560
the.
That's not the point.

673
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,400
You know, but.
It could also.

674
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,960
Explain.
Her issue with him?

675
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,320
Yeah, I was going to say it
could also explain, though,

676
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,520
maybe some of Ellie's hostility,
maybe a little bit of Maria's

677
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,840
hostility of why they, you know,
it's like they're cordial to

678
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:49,360
him, but you still detect that
under undercurrent of them not

679
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,960
really liking him.
And maybe it has something to do

680
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,960
with that.
I mean, if you think about what

681
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,120
happened with Ellie later on in
the episode when she's at the

682
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,680
dance and the guy calls her her
and Dina dykes and Joe kind of

683
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,520
goes off on him, maybe it was a
similar situation and that's why

684
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,720
Ellie doesn't like him.
I mean, again, it's been five

685
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,080
years.
A lot of things could have

686
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,480
happened.
It could be, but he could just

687
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:24,320
also be he see, he's the person
that gets things done that no

688
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,160
one else would want to do.
So you and I was on the panel of

689
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:33,120
the drafting of the bipod
science science fiction

690
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,960
characters for ATV show.
Yeah.

691
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,920
And I picked Simon Phoenix from
Demolition Man because you got

692
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:48,880
to have that one person that's
willing to do what it takes to

693
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,360
get the job done, no matter what
it is.

694
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,840
And that's Joel.
Love him, I hate him.

695
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:58,360
He's going to do The Dirty thing
that nobody wants to.

696
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,360
So whatever happened to Eugene,
it needed to be done.

697
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,720
And they're going to hate him
for it.

698
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:05,840
They're going to dislike him for
it.

699
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,600
But you see, he ain't locked up.
He ain't been punished for it so

700
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,200
obviously even.
Said I understand why you did

701
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:12,560
it.
Right.

702
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,880
It was the right thing to do,
right?

703
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,760
So, I mean, he could have been
infected.

704
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,440
We don't know.
That's what I was going to say.

705
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,880
I was like, what did Eugene do?
Or did he get infected?

706
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Like, he could have went out on
the run.

707
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,000
He could have, you know, came
back infected.

708
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,240
And apparently what we learned
in this episode is because Dina

709
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,440
was joking around with Ellie.
She was like, did you get bit?

710
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,840
Do I have to shoot you in the
face?

711
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,680
And she said it so casually.
But it's kind of like that's

712
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,680
probably what they end up doing
to these people because once

713
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,200
you're infected, except for
Ellie, you turn, you turn.

714
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:52,600
So that that could easily have
been it, especially since, yes,

715
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,640
she's angry with him because of
of how it happened.

716
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,040
That's what she said.
She said I'm I, she said, I

717
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,800
understand you had to do it.
You had no choice.

718
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,400
But what what I'm angry about is
how you did it.

719
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,480
What?
The fuck?

720
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,000
Did he do they better tell us
that at some point during this

721
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,000
season?
I just want to know, I mean, it

722
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,360
may not have an impact on the
bigger picture, but then again,

723
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,760
it could because we don't know
how important the therapist is

724
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:30,360
going to be in, in this season.
But I, I, I'm just curious.

725
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,720
I mean, I know Joel is going to
be the person to do the things

726
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:37,960
that won't get done because
that's literally how we were

727
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:42,800
introduced to his character,
especially after everything that

728
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,640
happened with Sarah.
When we see him 20 years later,

729
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,760
he is that guy.
Him and Tess though, they were

730
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,520
those people.
You know, when Tess was having

731
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,080
that confrontation with the
other person, she was like, oh,

732
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,640
do I have to get my guy?
And they're like, no, no, no, we

733
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,280
don't really.
We don't want none of Joe.

734
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,080
They.
Don't want them that they don't

735
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,640
want.
That smoke, right, Right.

736
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,360
I mean, he even said it was to
Ellie.

737
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,400
He was like, yeah, me and my
brother, we did things.

738
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,680
We did bad things because nobody
else would do them.

739
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,400
Yeah.
So we already know, which also

740
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,320
could be contributing to what
Ellie is feeling towards him

741
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,880
because she's probably like, OK,
he said.

742
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,480
This is what happened to
Fireflies.

743
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,320
Not anything I've learned about
him over this, however many

744
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,880
months they were on the road.
Yeah, they're motherfucker

745
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,160
lying.
Yeah, he lying.

746
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,880
But OK.
Especially because I don't think

747
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,680
she knows he killed everybody,
right?

748
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:39,960
Because she woke up in the
truck.

749
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,040
He was like, yeah.
Nah.

750
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,640
It didn't work out.
Yeah, because he told her that

751
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,800
they were attacked by by rebels
or Renegades or something that,

752
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,720
you know, people came in and and
killed or whatever the case may

753
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:00,480
have been.
So yeah, but I don't know but

754
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,240
but.
If it changed, OK, I just want

755
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:08,880
to say Pedro Pascal can
sometimes be a really good

756
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,760
actor.
And the shift in his 'cause he

757
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,280
seemed to be so vulnerable when
he was talking to the therapist

758
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,000
after she told him what
happened.

759
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,800
You know how she felt.
And you swear he was on the

760
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,160
verge of telling her.
And then you see a physical

761
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,520
shift.
He's like, no.

762
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,120
And he stood up and he's like, I
saved her.

763
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,240
And then he walks out.
But he that's just a masterful

764
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:40,680
piece of acting, Sir, let me
tell you.

765
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,480
She had she had beat him down.
He had tears in his eyes.

766
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:47,400
He was slouching.
She had beat him down.

767
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,840
And all of a sudden he was like,
no.

768
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,400
And he sits up a little bit
straighter and he says, her dead

769
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,480
in the eye.
I saved her.

770
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,080
Yeah.
When he walks out.

771
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,880
Like I didn't do anything wrong.
Yeah, but let me tell you about

772
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,800
Pedro Pascal, OK?
We know he's masterful.

773
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:12,880
This man has been in the
business for years, OK?

774
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,560
He comes on Game of Thrones as
Prince Ober Martel, and that

775
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,640
literally is what shoots him
into the stratosphere.

776
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:27,120
His total screen time for Game
of Thrones, if I'm not mistaken,

777
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:34,080
38 minutes total.
You make that much of an impact

778
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:42,160
with a character in 38 minutes
in one and only in one season.

779
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,800
You ask anybody who has watched
Game of Thrones but where?

780
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,320
Martel was one of the best
characters to come out of that

781
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,600
show, and it was his portrayal
that did it.

782
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,480
He sells it with this one
because I mean, if you look at

783
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:05,120
TV nowadays, Pedro Pascal
himself, he's doing musical

784
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,640
numbers, selling, you know,
Apple Airpods and stuff like

785
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,680
that.
He's spry for a 50 year old.

786
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,080
We're the same age.
He just turned 50 a couple of

787
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,800
weeks ago.
But then you look at him in this

788
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:21,800
show, he seems older.
He seems a little more haggard.

789
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,760
He seems a little gorgeous,
almost like he's tired.

790
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,720
And then you see him in the
scenes where he does have that

791
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:35,880
vulnerability with GAIL, the
therapist, with Dina, talking

792
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,680
about Ellie, with Ellie, you
know, just trying to find some

793
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,960
common ground with her, trying
to give her her space, but still

794
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,000
wanting to be there for her,
wanting to kind of have that

795
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,080
relationship with her again,
build that kind of father

796
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,520
daughter relationship again.
He's so vulnerable, and it's

797
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,640
just kind of like, Joe, you seem
like such a broken man.

798
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,080
But depending on what he's been
through in the last five years,

799
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,800
it's probably, you know, just
the way he is.

800
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,720
I mean, the most lively we saw
him in this episode was when he

801
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:13,080
was with Benji.
Yeah, I think Ellie, this

802
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,120
relationship is breaking him.
It it it's breaking him because

803
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,640
he doesn't know what to do.
Well, I mean.

804
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,560
Well, he does know what to do.
He do, Yeah.

805
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,240
He knows what to do.
He just don't want to do it.

806
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:26,640
He's not going to do it.
Yeah.

807
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,360
Because he probably feels like
that will push her further away.

808
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,240
Yeah.
Because she may not.

809
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,080
She may not understand.
You know, it's like I'm not.

810
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,280
Well, I won't say she won't
understand.

811
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,760
She probably will understand.
She probably could say, OK, yes,

812
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,920
I understand why you did this,
why you saved me.

813
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,840
But again, for for you to have
it built up in your mind that

814
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,720
you are the person that's going
to save humanity.

815
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,640
You are the person who could
possibly get rid of the

816
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,480
Cordyceps.
You could possibly, you know, it

817
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,440
could be you or your blood or
whatever the case is that

818
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:08,520
changes things back to normal.
And to have that taken away from

819
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,000
you for whatever reason is going
to be devastating enough.

820
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,240
But then to if you find out that
the reason it was taken away was

821
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:21,560
because of someone who was close
to you, someone who made a

822
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,200
promise that they will let you
go to do what you needed to do.

823
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:31,720
And he didn't keep that promise.
Yeah, that's that's.

824
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:36,080
Heavy.
And it's like when you think

825
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,600
about that, there are no winners
in this.

826
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,680
No.
They're both going to hurt no

827
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:47,440
matter what the outcome of the
situation is, you know?

828
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,440
But my thing is, I, I also kind
of feel like that's one of the

829
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,520
reasons why she's being so
reckless, because maybe

830
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,680
subconsciously, maybe she knew
she wasn't supposed to get out

831
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,880
of that situation alive.
And now she's kind of like, OK,

832
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,440
well, there's nothing I can do
now.

833
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,840
There's no doctors to do what
they're supposed to do.

834
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,360
I'm just walking around here
immune and it doesn't mean

835
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,240
anything.
I mean, that's what one of the

836
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,880
things when she was telling she
was saying it to Tommy, she was

837
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,200
like, well, we know I can't get
bit.

838
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,600
He was like, no, Ellie, we said.
We agreed that we weren't

839
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,720
talking.
About you don't talk about

840
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,680
immunity.
I got bit and I didn't turn.

841
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,000
I'm, you know, I'm in.
I'm not infected, I'm immune.

842
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,760
And then she yells, and I'm
like, you do realize your voice

843
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,440
is echoing through the mountains
right now, right?

844
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,560
So somebody may actually hear
that.

845
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,960
Hell, that could be the reason
why the folks showed up at the

846
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,680
end of the episode way in the
mountains, looking down on the

847
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,560
town.
I'm I'm, I'm stretching it, but

848
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,400
you know what I'm saying.
Why are you being so reckless?

849
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,520
Do you want to die?
Is that it?

850
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,480
I don't know.
And even if you do want that, do

851
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,840
you want to die for nothing?
Because at this point now, if

852
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,280
you die, you die for nothing.
You're not dying to help anyone.

853
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,480
You're not dying to save the
human race.

854
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,560
You're just going.
You're just going to be dead

855
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,440
just to be dead.
Just.

856
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:25,000
To be dead.
And what a waste because that's

857
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,280
not to say just because Joe
killed that doctor, that's not

858
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,760
to say that there aren't any
other doctors around.

859
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,840
That's not to say that there
can't be any doctors that come

860
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,680
up.
Like I'm sure someone in that

861
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,280
town has some kind of medical
training.

862
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,880
Maybe they can be the ones to
kind of, you know, OK, let's,

863
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,360
let's see what we can figure
out.

864
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,080
Let's do some reading.
You, you might have a genius in

865
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,160
that group.
We don't know.

866
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,600
But just kind of throwing your
life away and just.

867
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,160
Yeah, that that's the main thing
that bothers me about the

868
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,680
situation.
I understand she feels

869
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,000
invincible, but the people
around you are not.

870
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,080
And, and at 20 years old, I know
you're young, but you got to

871
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,200
understand that.
Yeah.

872
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,320
You can't be acting all stupid
and stuff like that.

873
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:22,000
You 20, you 21 or no.
Excuse me, she's 19.

874
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,720
That's. 19, yeah. 19 She's like,
I'm an adult, act like it.

875
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,960
Yeah, act like it.
Act like it.

876
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,040
Yeah.
Just like this whole thing that

877
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,320
that takes place when they go on
their run.

878
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,400
We've already talked about her
and Dina.

879
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,280
They're sitting there joking.
They're not really listening to

880
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,480
the instructions and everything.
They feel like they've been.

881
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,960
They've done this before and,
and, you know, they kind of

882
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,440
throw in some stuff in there
about the person who is leading

883
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,640
this particular patrol was, I
guess she and Ellie had a

884
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,400
relationship and it didn't end
well.

885
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,280
And, you know, they keep talking
about this dance going to New

886
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,120
Year's or whatever, but then
they approach this bridge and

887
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:13,640
they see blood in the snow, and
it's running towards the town.

888
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,480
So instead of sitting there
talking about, OK, this is how

889
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,400
we're gonna handle this, Ellie
just takes off.

890
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:26,560
And then Dana takes off with her
and Cat, the person who is in

891
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,040
charge.
She's like, guys, we really need

892
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,440
to go back to town and get
reinforcements.

893
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,800
Guys, come on.
I'm like, what the fuck kind of

894
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,800
patrol leader are you?
You just like, come on guys,

895
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,240
come on, man.
Come on, stop.

896
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,880
Playing come on back.
So they get to they get to the

897
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,640
middle of the town and they find
a scene of carnage.

898
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:59,040
You see a couple of clickers,
you see a dead of black bear and

899
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:05,320
you see a few body parts.
Now, I was sitting here trying

900
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,920
to figure out what the fuck was
going on in the scene because if

901
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,720
I remember correctly, I didn't
get a chance to go back and

902
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,080
rewatch season 1.
But the clickers don't attack.

903
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,200
They don't attack each other,
correct?

904
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,840
No.
OK, so you have the one clicker

905
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,080
in the street, you have body
parts, and then you have another

906
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,440
clicker and another clicker and
then the bear with all of his

907
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,960
stomach gone and his intestines
just hanging out.

908
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,040
So are we to assume that the
bear and the clickers did this

909
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,280
to each other?
Because I was like, those

910
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,040
clickers look like they've been
shot.

911
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,520
Yeah, it's like, no, that's
that's why they said, that's why

912
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,600
she said how many bear, how many
clickers does it take to take

913
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,040
down a bear?
So the bear is not the easy

914
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,360
thing to take down.
Right.

915
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,720
So yeah, they literally killed
each other.

916
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,000
OK.
And then apparently one got away

917
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,160
and so Ellie and Dina decide
they're going to go take care of

918
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,560
her.
I'm like, if this thing hears

919
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,640
you out in the street talking
because you are not doing

920
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,920
anything to disguise your voice,
you're not whispering, you're

921
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,360
just talking.
If this thing has heard you and

922
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,560
it hasn't come out, leave it the
fuck alone.

923
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,800
Just leave it alone.
It's far enough away from

924
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,840
Jackson that y'all don't have to
be messing with it.

925
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,560
Just leave it alone.
Go home.

926
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,040
No, they have to go up there to
see what they, you know, that

927
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,920
they can take take care of it.
They realize it's two in there.

928
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,640
And Dina seems like she's going
to hesitate.

929
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,640
And then Ellie says.
Or do you want to let the man do

930
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,160
it?
I was like, see, bitch, this is

931
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,040
how y'all gonna die, right?
Because instead of thinking

932
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,520
smart and thinking, OK, well, we
could get back up or we can get

933
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,080
somebody who might be stronger,
since we know that there's two.

934
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,320
You gonna sit here and think,
OK, no, I can.

935
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,520
I we we can handle it.
And maybe they can.

936
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,120
But you're going into a
situation where you don't know

937
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,480
what's going to happen.
You don't know what the layout

938
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,400
of the place is.
You don't know what's going on,

939
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,160
Which is how Ellie ended up
through a floor because you just

940
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,160
didn't know.
Now what y'all did up at the top

941
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,960
was smart.
You know, you, you kind of

942
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,400
divided and conquer.
OK, there's this one clicker we

943
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,120
hear.
OK, you're going to go this way.

944
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,920
I'm going to go this way.
You're going to create a

945
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,960
distraction and then you're the
person supposed to be creating

946
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,520
the distraction and you get
distracted yourself because you

947
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,520
see a dog on the employee of the
month wall inside the store.

948
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,280
What are we doing here?
She being reckless.

949
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,520
What are we doing here That's.
What we're doing, we're being

950
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,960
reckless because I'm immune.
I'm a superhero.

951
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,440
Right.
You're immune.

952
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,400
Your friend ain't.
Your friend ain't.

953
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,400
The friend who is going to try
to kill the clicker that you are

954
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,560
supposed to be distracting so
that she can catch her, you

955
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,280
know, unawares, but you too busy
looking at the fucking wall.

956
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,840
Like oh these are the people who
used to work here, this is cool.

957
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,880
Oh they have a dog on the wall.
Why is the dog the employee of

958
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,520
the month?
But you know, wasn't she already

959
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,600
kind of like that when you first
meet her?

960
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,280
I mean, yes, kind of because
this is this is a world that she

961
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,960
was not familiar with.
So she wasn't familiar with, you

962
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,120
know, the stores being open and
employees of the month.

963
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,120
Like she was literally born into
this.

964
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:43,720
I mean, this reckless nature of
hers, I think you she's always

965
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,000
kind of been like that when we
first.

966
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,480
But I don't think it was to this
extent.

967
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,800
It wasn't as bad.
I think, I think more so when we

968
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,080
first met her because she was
younger, she was 15.

969
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:02,080
It was more naivete and more, I
would say ignorance, you know,

970
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,320
about how dangerous this was
because of course she's thinking

971
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,000
she's immune.
She doesn't have to be as

972
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,760
careful.
So she's not thinking about the

973
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,080
other things, how it could
affect other people.

974
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,480
And, and that I, we can
attribute to her age and just

975
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,640
her lack of experience, her lack
of being in the world because

976
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,080
she'd been shut away for the
whole time.

977
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,640
So that I can excuse.
But now here you are.

978
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,120
Like you said, five years later,
you've already stated that you

979
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,400
are an experienced runner, that
you've gone on runs before, that

980
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,000
you know how to handle the
clickers.

981
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,560
OK, that's all well and good,
but still, if you're not by

982
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,600
yourself, if you're working with
someone else, you need to be

983
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:50,680
thinking about that other
person's safety and, and not

984
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,040
being so reckless.
You, you kind of got your best

985
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,280
friend killed, you know what I'm
saying?

986
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,880
And just like when they finally
do she, she kills the clicker

987
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,600
and when they get ready to
leave, she falls through the

988
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,160
floor because the floor is
rotted.

989
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,600
OK, so she's down there and
she's like, I don't hear

990
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,800
anything.
I don't hear another clicker.

991
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,080
There's no way for her to get
back up.

992
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,200
So Dana's like stay put.
I'm going to go and see if I can

993
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,520
find some stairs or something
because obviously it's it's a

994
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,800
two-story building.
There's got to be a way down.

995
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,520
So Ellie, of course, does not,
in fact, stay put.

996
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,160
She starts walking around, she
starts looking around and stuff.

997
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,000
She finds the old People
magazine with was that Topanga

998
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,600
on the front?
Danielle Fisher.

999
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:40,880
You can't.
You kind of look like it.

1000
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,800
Yeah, that was, I think that was
Danielle Fisher.

1001
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,240
So she finds the old People
magazine.

1002
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,560
She starts flipping through it
and then you notice something in

1003
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,640
the background kind of crawling
to the side.

1004
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:56,760
And that freaked me out so much
because I'm not used to them

1005
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,440
being quiet.
Usually you hear them clicking

1006
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,720
or you hear them making some
kind of grunting noise or

1007
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,520
something weird.
So this thing is quiet and I was

1008
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:12,680
just like, she does not hear it.
She starts walking and she

1009
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,840
starts looking and then she
hears a noise like this thing

1010
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,600
made, a noise that sound like a
person.

1011
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,880
And Ellie turned around.
She was like, the fuck?

1012
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,960
So of course, now she's on her
guard.

1013
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,040
She's going through the aisles
and she's looking.

1014
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,560
And as she's going through the
aisles, we see in the background

1015
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,000
behind her, like maybe two or
three feet behind her, this

1016
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:42,480
thing is crawling on the ground.
And when I say the way that they

1017
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,480
did these camera shots, I was
like, this thing is playing cat

1018
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,200
and mouse with her because she
keeps looking and she's

1019
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,440
stopping.
The thing is not there.

1020
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,520
And then as she keeps moving,
you see it.

1021
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,280
They they put the camera on it
and it's walking on its hand and

1022
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,920
knees.
There's glass on the ground and

1023
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,720
it's actually avoiding the glass
so not to make a sound.

1024
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,760
And I was like, what the fuck
are we dealing with?

1025
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,560
Yeah, he was stalking.
He was stalking her.

1026
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,160
He was hunting her.
He lured her.

1027
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,680
I mean, it was tricking her like
you were behind her.

1028
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,560
And then when she turned the
chute, that muffle was gone.

1029
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,760
Was.
Gone and here's the thing you

1030
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,400
made the noise to draw her in
and like I said it sound like a

1031
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,120
child at 1st and then it.
Sounds like that's a feral.

1032
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,360
Yeah.
I was like, that's a feral

1033
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,600
human.
Nope.

1034
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:39,520
I didn't realize it wasn't until
you saw.

1035
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:41,200
Until you.
Saw.

1036
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,600
Well, I saw the little thing
sticking out of his head.

1037
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,480
Right.
And so, and, and she turns

1038
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,640
around and she sees it and she
was like, come at me,

1039
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,200
motherfucker, thinking this
thing is of course it's going to

1040
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:54,560
hear her.
It's going to come after her.

1041
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,560
That thing stood there.
And with opposite direction.

1042
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,760
She said.
Come at me, motherfucker.

1043
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:02,560
And.
It ran.

1044
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,760
It ran.
She goes after it.

1045
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:05,880
She can't find it.
Yeah.

1046
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:11,120
She goes past the point where
where she fell into the thing.

1047
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,600
She goes past it and there is
like a little cabinet or

1048
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,400
something.
This thing has hidden in the

1049
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:27,000
cabinet and it's coming out very
stealthily as she walks past and

1050
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:30,720
she hears nothing.
I was like pause.

1051
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,960
I was like, no, let me go play a
game of solitaire.

1052
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,720
I need to get my blood pressure
that I I couldn't do it.

1053
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:41,720
I couldn't do it.
Then when she does realize this

1054
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,800
thing is behind her because
again, it starts making the

1055
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,600
noise like letting you know,
bitch, I'm here.

1056
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:52,160
She turns around to shoot it,
it's gone.

1057
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:58,440
Then it comes just out of the
blue, attacks her, her gun gets

1058
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,440
thrown and this thing starts
biting her.

1059
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,040
I was just like, you know what?
I'm just, I'm done because

1060
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,320
Dina's going to come downstairs.
She's going to see this, then

1061
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,520
Ellie's going to have to explain
to her what's going on.

1062
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,640
I was like, I can't do this.
I can't.

1063
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,760
Thankfully, Ellie is able to get
her knife out of its holster and

1064
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,360
she's able to kill it.
But do you see how many times

1065
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,920
she had to say that thing to
kill it?

1066
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:27,000
Yeah.
I was like, what are we dealing

1067
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,160
with?
Like this thing was intelligent.

1068
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,160
It was playing games with her.
It was.

1069
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:40,120
It had a plan.
And then, of course, after all

1070
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,480
of this happens, Dina comes
downstairs and she hides the

1071
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,680
womb because this thing has bit
into her stomach.

1072
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,560
And I was like, here we go with
another Carl.

1073
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,320
Here we go.
I'm.

1074
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,400
That's where my mind went like,
OK, so now she's going.

1075
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:59,200
To yeah, but soon as.
No, no, because she doesn't seem

1076
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,120
like she's turning.
But I mean, Dina comes down,

1077
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,520
they see the thing, and then
next thing you know, they're

1078
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:08,440
they're sitting before the
council and she's telling them,

1079
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,680
yeah, this thing is this thing
was smart.

1080
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,080
They were like, are you saying
that it was thinking?

1081
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,120
She was like, yes, this thing
lured me.

1082
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,400
It trapped me.
It.

1083
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,080
Stopped at me it it stopped.
Me.

1084
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:28,160
It lured me, yeah.
But I don't know what y'all been

1085
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,960
doing for the last five years.
These things are evolving.

1086
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,440
They are evolving and that's
scary.

1087
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:41,360
It's different when they're just
kind of mindless and you know

1088
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,800
what drives them.
You've learned enough about

1089
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,720
their patterns and their
behaviors to say, oh, OK, well,

1090
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,240
light doesn't affect them, but
noise does.

1091
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,280
So if you throw something over
there, they're going to go over

1092
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,120
there and try to attack.
Oh and they just sitting there

1093
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,200
waiting to see what you're going
to do.

1094
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:04,480
Like also that means that this
thing saw her, which from what

1095
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,040
we know about Cordyceps from
season 1, they can't see.

1096
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,240
Right, this one, clearly they
made sure to show us its eyes.

1097
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,200
He can see.
So now I'm sitting here

1098
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,240
watching, I'm like, OK, is it
that they are evolving?

1099
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:25,560
Or is it that maybe this
particular clicker is, I don't

1100
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,040
know what how you want to play
freshly transformed.

1101
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,320
Like maybe there's still some of
its human nature left.

1102
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,000
And that's why I don't know,
because we don't really know

1103
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,520
anything about these things
except for what we've been

1104
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,760
taught in the first season.
And of course, like you said, I

1105
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,640
I haven't played the game, so I
don't know anything about what

1106
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,320
these things can do, like what
the limits of their abilities

1107
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,440
are.
It didn't look partially

1108
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,360
transformed.
It had been sticking out of his

1109
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,840
head.
That takes some time.

1110
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,400
Yeah, I guess.
That takes some time.

1111
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:05,440
Either way it goes, No, no,
absolutely not.

1112
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,440
Absolutely not.
I I again after she got bit

1113
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,440
pause, let me go play a couple
games of solitaire and Martin,

1114
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,360
no, I'm not ready yet.
Let me go play something else.

1115
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,240
I I couldn't do it.
I had to pause it.

1116
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,600
I think, I think it took me 15
minutes to go back because I was

1117
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,720
just like, I I don't know what
to expect now.

1118
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,800
Like Ellie has been bit in the
stomach.

1119
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,680
I'm thinking, OK, maybe this is
when she learns.

1120
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,840
OK, maybe I'm not quite as
immune as I thought.

1121
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:38,080
But no, apparently even hours
later is not having any effect

1122
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,480
on her.
Like her her, her wound doesn't

1123
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,720
even look infected.
It hasn't really changed color.

1124
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,680
And So what she does is she
takes a knife and she put some

1125
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:53,080
alcohol on it and she starts
cutting around the teeth marks.

1126
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,960
And then I don't know if she
took that piece of skin and just

1127
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,600
threw it off, but I know she
started sewing herself back up

1128
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:04,680
and I was just like, she has
been way too calm about this for

1129
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,760
this simple the first time she
did this.

1130
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,080
I don't think this is the first
time she's getting bit.

1131
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,920
At least since the the arm.
Thing the arm, right?

1132
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,360
Because when she knew, she was
trying to hide that it's a bite.

1133
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,560
And that could also be why she's
being funny with Joe.

1134
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:25,520
'Cause she's, it's almost like
she's she can, if they see it,

1135
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,280
she can say, oh, I, I hurt
myself when I fell through the

1136
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:29,480
floor.
Yeah.

1137
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,880
So.
That that way it won't look like

1138
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,240
a bike and you know, it's been
2345 days later and she ain't

1139
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,840
turned.
So they have to believe her

1140
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:41,880
because not everybody knows
that.

1141
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,920
She's but no, this is the same
day because this is all.

1142
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:46,080
No, I'm just.
I'm just.

1143
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:51,400
I'm just saying, but oh.
Because they start turning as

1144
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,600
soon as they get bit.
Because remember Joe?

1145
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:55,960
Yeah.
You could see it, Tess.

1146
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:57,920
Tess's neck started.
Yeah.

1147
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,360
And that was a that had only be
a few minutes later before she

1148
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:04,720
started.
Having.

1149
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,240
Things come out of her mouth so.
Yeah.

1150
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:15,360
Pretty fast and the counseling
is stupid because was that was

1151
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:16,720
that what's her name she's like?
Berea.

1152
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:18,000
Berea.
Oh yeah.

1153
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:20,880
Oh.
I don't believe Dina.

1154
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,479
Dina didn't see nothing.
Because Dina, of course, she's

1155
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,560
like, yeah, it happened exactly
as Ellie said.

1156
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,399
I saw everything.
Yeah, but Ellie.

1157
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,319
I mean, Maria was like, I don't
believe Dana, but I do believe

1158
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,359
Ellie.
Yeah, I think we all did.

1159
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,800
Right.
But it's like, OK, I understand

1160
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,640
it's New Year's Eve and y'all
having a party and you want to

1161
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,960
get to the party.
You don't think y'all need to

1162
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,920
sit around for a few more
minutes to discuss the fact that

1163
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:54,880
a Cordyceps was stalking and
trapping someone like this is a

1164
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,160
one off?
While we're on this, while we're

1165
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:06,200
on this, let's talk about the
pipes because as far as I know,

1166
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,399
the themes are spread and that's
it.

1167
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:13,080
This was like scouting.
It's like his little tendrils

1168
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,720
out and then pulled his tendrils
back in.

1169
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:18,279
That's the problem.
The fact that they didn't see

1170
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:22,120
any of that at the beginning
when they first broke open the

1171
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,800
pipe and they saw.
Them I thought what I thought

1172
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,120
when they first broke open the
pipe was like, oh crap, that's

1173
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:28,840
of course is like the way those
are roots.

1174
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,680
And I started thinking they,
they going to tell us something

1175
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,960
about this later.
And that was that was my mind.

1176
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,840
I was like, right, because these
things came out.

1177
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,160
I was like, uh huh.
And then went right back in.

1178
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,640
So here's my question again.
This is why y'all need to

1179
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,240
fucking listen to Joe.
Because what did Joe tell Dana

1180
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:46,279
to do?
He said.

1181
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:51,479
Y'all clear those roots out, We
will fill that pipe in with ABS.

1182
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:56,720
He was like, cut out the rotten
parts of the pipe, take out the

1183
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,080
roots, we'll fill it in with
ABS.

1184
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:02,600
Why are those roots still
sitting in there?

1185
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,080
Yeah, 'cause he's seen.
Well, I don't want to say he's

1186
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,400
seen this before, but he.
He has, I was.

1187
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,680
Going to say you may not be
thinking that way, but he's

1188
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,680
thinking just in case.
No, remember, they walked

1189
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,480
through that museum.
Yeah, I remember, he remember

1190
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:22,600
and and yeah, we we can't just
just can't have that shit just

1191
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,200
coming and he just being
careful, like if the roots can

1192
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,080
make it this far through the
pipe.

1193
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:33,000
Thing too, Joe, you got to stop
being distracted.

1194
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,680
I realize you're trying to do a
lot of stuff, but when you told

1195
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,400
Dana you was going to go out
there and check it because she,

1196
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:43,520
as she said, the four man wasn't
forming in, you should have went

1197
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,920
out there and checked it
yourself.

1198
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,000
Yeah, but you're right, he
distracted.

1199
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,200
He is there's.
Going to be the downfall of

1200
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:59,520
Jackson right there, Cordyceps
in the pipes is in the pipes is

1201
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,480
in the pipes.
And I'm OK.

1202
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:06,960
So now I'm sitting here thinking
about your, I don't know if you

1203
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:12,200
want to call it a theory that
Ellie could be infected and

1204
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,960
could have been infected this
whole time.

1205
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:22,320
OK, here she is freshly bitten,
and a few hours later the

1206
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,920
Cordyceps shows up in the pipes.
I wonder, is it sensing whatever

1207
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:32,960
is in her Because that because
that bite is fresh, that maybe

1208
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,640
because remember they told.
Me, it's a hive mine.

1209
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,120
It's a it's like a hive mine.
Yeah.

1210
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,960
And that was the thing that they
said in the first season when

1211
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:46,520
they were like, yeah, you can
have infected miles away, but if

1212
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:51,360
if the the roots in the ground
feel them or hear them, they're

1213
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,440
going to connect.
And I was like.

1214
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,600
Yeah, 'cause if that one is
connected to the smart one that

1215
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,240
bit her.
It's all over.

1216
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,800
Jackson is going to fall.
Jackson's been.

1217
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:09,440
Because here's the other thing.
They've gotten too comfortable

1218
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:12,840
in Jackson.
And again, I understand you guys

1219
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,640
have had this system in place
for years now.

1220
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:20,640
You're, you're out in the open.
You have all of this visual, you

1221
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,840
know, around you so you can see
what's coming.

1222
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,960
You have the mountains and, and
you can see what's coming from

1223
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,600
there.
It echoes.

1224
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,560
So it's kind of camouflaging
you.

1225
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:36,320
Still, I feel like there's a
level of caution they they

1226
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,320
should be taking, especially
considering these Cordyceps are

1227
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,680
driven by sound.
Because at some point, even if

1228
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,800
the sound is reverberating
through the mountains or

1229
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:52,200
whatever, once they're running
towards stuff and they realize

1230
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,800
it's not there, they're going to
start looking for something

1231
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:58,240
else.
Eventually they're going to find

1232
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:01,120
their way to you, which is why
you guys are now starting to see

1233
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,560
more and more strays and even
small herds.

1234
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,840
But that's.
Not almost like those are almost

1235
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,640
like scouts, like Recon.
Their own Recon.

1236
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:18,400
Right.
Again, not good, not good.

1237
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,240
I understand.
Y'all want to celebrate, y'all

1238
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,240
want to have fun.
It's New Year's Eve.

1239
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:26,560
Like I, I don't know, I just, I
just can't imagine if you're in

1240
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:31,120
a world where everything has
gone to shit because these

1241
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,000
things can eat you.
I'm not worried about a date on

1242
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,760
the calendar, I mean New Year's
Eve.

1243
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:41,160
OK, for what?
Well, I know there's a saying I

1244
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:46,360
can't think of right now, but
comfort breathes complacency,

1245
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,400
which breathes carelessness.
And we see a lot of that going

1246
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,040
on.
Yeah, there's a lot.

1247
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:58,520
Going on you're having a dance
in the church with music and

1248
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,360
lights and y'all have strength.
Where the fuck y'all get

1249
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,640
fireworks that still work after
20 years?

1250
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,400
Answer me that.
Forget about the gas, you can.

1251
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,440
Make the gas who is?
Making fireworks.

1252
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,120
That's my question.
You can make gunpowder.

1253
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:15,560
If you can make gas, you can
make gun.

1254
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,760
They were.
They had sparklers.

1255
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,000
They had sparklers.
They say it's still gunpowder it

1256
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,200
uses.
You know what?

1257
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:25,400
You make it, You can make
gunpowder.

1258
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,120
You can make gas.
You can make gunpowder.

1259
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,040
OK, OK.
And if you make gunpowder, you

1260
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,760
can make fireworks.
OK.

1261
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,480
Yeah.
So that is that's interesting

1262
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:47,640
that it's it's it's it operates
like a hive mine, so.

1263
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,760
And like like I said, that thing
didn't show up in the pipes

1264
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:53,320
until it was bit.
Yeah.

1265
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,920
So I don't know, May, maybe
there was something in that

1266
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:01,320
piece of flesh she cut out and
I, I, I don't know, it's just.

1267
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,240
I think, I think it connected
with her for a second when they

1268
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,280
when they bit her.
That's the problem.

1269
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:13,360
It is.
Jackson is going down.

1270
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:18,160
It is going down.
But even without the Cordyceps,

1271
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,640
you you got some tensions
brewing in Jackson because at

1272
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,920
this dance, you know, at first.
OK, first of all, the fact that

1273
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,960
everybody keeps asking Ellie if
she's going to the dance.

1274
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,360
And she was like, what did she
say to Jesse at the beginning?

1275
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,040
She was like, yeah, because it's
some kind of like, community

1276
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,200
thing, right?
And he was like, oh, so you're

1277
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,920
part of the community now.
So one that lets you know that

1278
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,040
she's kind of a hermit.
She's a recluse.

1279
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,920
She doesn't interact with a lot
of people, which makes her

1280
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,720
behavior and her carelessness
and her just kind of her

1281
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,840
mouthing off at everybody, that
makes it even more infuriating

1282
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,320
because you're already kind of
sequestering yourself from

1283
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,040
everybody.
And then when you are around

1284
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,440
people, you got to be an
asshole.

1285
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,760
Really.
OK, so they do finally make it

1286
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:14,080
to this little party thing.
Dina is dancing with somebody.

1287
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:18,400
And Jesse, who is apparently her
ex-boyfriend, comes over to have

1288
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,600
a conversation with Ellie.
And he's like, he was like,

1289
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,920
yeah, she's like, really putting
it on, isn't she?

1290
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,560
Because she's dancing with
another guy.

1291
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,520
She's acting like she's having
fun and she's acting like she's

1292
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,960
really, really drunk as well.
And Ellie said something to him.

1293
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,440
But yeah, you guys are.
You guys will be back together

1294
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:36,280
soon.
He was like, no, not this time.

1295
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:38,960
And she's looking at him like,
what do you mean?

1296
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,600
He was like nothing.
And he walks off.

1297
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,840
Dana comes over to her.
She was like, hey, come on, come

1298
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,640
on over here and dance with me.
After she takes a sip of Jesse's

1299
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,320
drink.
Very disrespectful.

1300
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,840
But so she pulls her out there
to dance.

1301
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:57,280
And it's a slow dance.
And she's, you know, she starts

1302
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,520
dancing with Ellie.
OK, this is my best friend.

1303
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,240
We're just going to dance.
Ellie is looking uncomfortable

1304
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,360
as she looked uncomfortable
earlier in the episode.

1305
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:08,640
So we already know Ellie is in
her feelings about this, but of

1306
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,000
course she's doing the same
thing that she did before.

1307
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,280
She's like, I'm not going to
tell any.

1308
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:13,880
I'm not going to tell her.
I'm not going to tell her.

1309
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,440
I don't want to ruin this,
whatever.

1310
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:20,240
So Dana and I don't know if this
is sincere or if this is just

1311
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,400
her being drunk.
She really starts flirting with

1312
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:25,440
Ellie at this point.
And she was like, hey, all the

1313
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:29,360
men in here are looking at you
and Ellie's like, Nah, they're

1314
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:30,920
looking at.
They got to be looking at you.

1315
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,800
Dina's like, no, I think they're
looking at you because they're

1316
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,880
jealous.
And she was like, jealous of

1317
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,840
what?
I'm, I'm not competition.

1318
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,320
And then Dina says, I think they
should be very, very jealous,

1319
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,480
basically telling Ellie, yeah,
you, you just might be a little

1320
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:50,040
competition.
And they kiss.

1321
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,680
And then Ellie's looking at her
like, oh, OK.

1322
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,200
And they kiss again.
And then they get interrupted

1323
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:01,400
because then dudes like hey,
this is a family party and

1324
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,400
they're like OK sorry.
Or at least Dina says sorry.

1325
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,760
And the guys just still looking
at her with the same faces.

1326
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:12,480
She was like wow, sorry.
They get ready to leave and he

1327
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:14,880
says this is a church.
Yo Dice.

1328
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:20,000
Ellie turned around so fast I'm
surprised her fist didn't hit

1329
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,720
his face as fast as she turned
around.

1330
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:27,200
But before she can even get to
him, Joel got to him first,

1331
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,600
right?
Locked him on the ground.

1332
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:34,520
And then Ellie looks pissed.
Maria takes the guy, picks him

1333
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,360
up, takes him outside.
And then she looks at Joel.

1334
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,120
And she was like, what the fuck
was that?

1335
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:43,280
I don't need your fucking help.
And everybody, of course, is

1336
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,240
around them.
They're they're looking, they're

1337
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:46,600
whispering, they're doing all
this stuff.

1338
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:52,840
Joe looks hurt because he's
like, I did the same thing you

1339
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,200
were about to do, but I did it
so you wouldn't have to.

1340
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,560
Yeah, but I think that goes back
to the reason why she was

1341
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,400
fighting in the beginning.
She wants to do it herself.

1342
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,040
She wants to take care of
herself.

1343
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:08,800
She doesn't want to need him or
need to want him.

1344
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,840
So we don't.
We still don't quite know why

1345
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,960
she feels that way, but it's
obvious that that's what's going

1346
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:20,520
on.
Yeah, I, I think I kind of want

1347
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:25,560
to put my finger on it and say
it probably started once they

1348
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:29,040
got to the city and they had the
conversation where Joel had told

1349
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,520
her about trying to kill himself
after what happened to Sarah.

1350
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:37,160
And then he, you know, he tells
her he really didn't care about

1351
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,960
living anymore.
And she was like, well, what did

1352
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,360
she say?
Having a mission will change

1353
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:44,520
that or something and or time
will change that.

1354
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,240
He was like, no, it wasn't time.
And he looked at her like, it

1355
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,000
was you.
And that's what she realized.

1356
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:54,080
Oh, OK, so I'm not just a job to
him anymore.

1357
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,760
I'm like family.
And I mean, especially after

1358
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:58,760
everything that they went
through with her and the

1359
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,520
cannibals and him almost dying,
coming to save her and stuff.

1360
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,640
I think at that point she
realized they had a real

1361
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,440
connection.
But she's probably also

1362
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:14,960
realizing it's because of that
real connection that whatever

1363
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,880
happened and where were they?
Where were they?

1364
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,480
Washington or I can't remember
where they were.

1365
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:27,160
Was that one something I don't?
I don't know if they went quite

1366
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,200
that far.
Some somewhere in the the

1367
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,840
Midwest I.
Think it was, it was.

1368
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,200
I think it was Colorado.
Yes, I think so.

1369
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,880
It's Colorado.
But the connection that they

1370
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:42,000
have with each other now, as she
was starting to look at him as a

1371
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,480
father figure, he was starting
to look at her as a daughter

1372
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:49,960
figure.
That connection is what affected

1373
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,920
whatever happened with the
Fireflies.

1374
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,480
She knows that much.
If she doesn't know anything

1375
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:59,600
else, she knows that something
didn't go quite right.

1376
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,200
And it probably had to do with
the fact that he was being

1377
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,520
overprotective of her.
So now I think part of the

1378
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:11,160
reason why she's being so
careless and so just kind of,

1379
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,400
you know, off putting and leave
me alone.

1380
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,040
I don't want to have anything to
do with you.

1381
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,360
Is I think she's trying to find
a way to break that connection,

1382
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:24,000
probably because she feels
guilty.

1383
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,720
You know, like again, hey, I
have the blood that's immune.

1384
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,440
I'm supposed to save the world.
And now I didn't say the word.

1385
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:35,480
I didn't fulfill my destiny.
Because of this, she probably

1386
01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:39,360
feels some responsibility for it
and survivor's guilt, even

1387
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,120
though, you know, she doesn't
know exactly what happened.

1388
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:45,760
She knows that the fireflies
were attacked, which they were,

1389
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:50,360
and she knows that he saved her
and got her out of there, which

1390
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,800
he did.
She just doesn't know that he

1391
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,800
was the one that was actually
doing the attacking.

1392
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:59,560
But either way, it goes
survivor's guilt on a huge

1393
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,880
level.
Yeah, especially if she's

1394
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,120
thinking about the number of
people it was because when she

1395
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,000
asked did anybody survive, he
was like, no, she said did

1396
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:11,080
Marlene.
And he was silent.

1397
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:17,240
So yeah, she's she's probably,
she's probably trying to find a

1398
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,840
way to sever that, that
connection and thinks being an

1399
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,400
asshole is the way to do it.
But, you know, it's just kind of

1400
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,960
like, I don't think he would let
her go in that sense because,

1401
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,480
again, he didn't get to
experience any of this with

1402
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:32,400
Sarah.
Sarah was 14 when she died.

1403
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:40,480
So it's it's one of those things
where I feel sorry for him.

1404
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:43,600
But I also understand her
because, yes, she does want to

1405
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,880
kind of take care of things in
her own way.

1406
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,760
She doesn't want him to always,
you know, come to.

1407
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:53,920
She should come to her.
Yeah, and whatever.

1408
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:58,840
But he's also at some point,
he's got to stop treating her

1409
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,480
like a child.
There too.

1410
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,800
Yeah.
There, too, she's got to be

1411
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,400
allowed to make her own
mistakes.

1412
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:11,000
And let me tell you, she she's
making a whole bunch of them.

1413
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,480
Making a whole bunch of.
Them making a whole bunch of

1414
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:17,160
them.
But I was just when when he

1415
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:22,440
left, he left the party.
And you know, when she, she

1416
01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:25,200
leaves the party and she starts
walking, she sees him sitting on

1417
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,800
the porch playing the guitar.
And they just kind of stare at

1418
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:31,320
each other.
It's, it's so sad because he's

1419
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:38,600
looking at her almost with hope,
like, OK, maybe maybe she'll

1420
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,680
come and sit with me and, and we
can have a conversation.

1421
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,320
And you just see her.
She looks at him.

1422
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:48,560
And then it's like just the
tiniest change of her face.

1423
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,600
She gets so hard and she
literally walks to the porch,

1424
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,840
walks past the porch to go to
the garage where she lives.

1425
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,440
And I was just like, all right,
here we go.

1426
01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:03,640
Different kind of drama, father
daughter drama.

1427
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,080
OK, I get it.
But like you.

1428
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,240
Well, it's like her.
Fish to fry.

1429
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,760
But it's like Gil said, she's
not your daughter.

1430
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,320
You saw he, you saw.
You saw how he jumped at her

1431
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:22,640
when she said that.
Like what you say, but she's

1432
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:23,040
not.
She's not.

1433
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:26,080
Yeah.
And you know, you know, and I

1434
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:31,080
was going to say it, sometimes
you got to, sometimes you got to

1435
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:34,400
cut them loose.
Didn't we just say this with the

1436
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,360
will of time too?
If you love something, let them

1437
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,280
go.
You got to let them go come

1438
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:41,240
loose.
I'm sorry.

1439
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,400
I'm looking at.
I'm looking at the Cordyceps

1440
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:48,040
from the pipe again.
It's going to be a.

1441
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:49,480
Problem.
It's going to be a problem

1442
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:55,160
because at this point now if you
try to go in and clear those

1443
01:24:55,160 --> 01:25:00,360
those roots, that Cordyceps is
probably going to be there.

1444
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:05,360
And.
We saw from episode 1, it does

1445
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,960
not take much.
It doesn't take a cut, it

1446
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,400
doesn't take anything.
That thing will literally go

1447
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,680
through your skin or it'll go
through your eyeballs, or it'll

1448
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,640
go through your nose or your
mouth or your ears or any open

1449
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,880
orifice you have on your on your
body.

1450
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,560
It's about to be some shit.
Oh knows.

1451
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,640
I'm glad they didn't do the game
because the game is sports

1452
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,520
floating around the air.
You spend most of the game

1453
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,840
wearing masks, and they like,
well, we can't do that in the

1454
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:36,960
show.
Yeah.

1455
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,560
Yeah, we want to see the pretty
faces.

1456
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,400
Yeah, pretty faces.
What was it Abby said when she

1457
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,280
said when they were trying to
describe Joe, they was like,

1458
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,520
yeah, we know.
We know he's a fighter.

1459
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:52,520
His name is Joe or Joe.
Yeah, he's what she say. 50

1460
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:53,320
years old.
Graves.

1461
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:55,200
Graves.
Hair.

1462
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,000
Oh yeah, they also say he's
pretty.

1463
01:25:58,120 --> 01:25:59,520
Oh, I forgot.
You're handsome.

1464
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,640
Handsome.
She's like, oh, I forgot that,

1465
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,720
you know, being sarcastic
because she was like, I don't

1466
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:09,160
give a fuck that he's handsome.
He killed our people.

1467
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:14,520
He has to die.
Oh, it, Oh, no, it you, you

1468
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:18,360
know, made me think of Walking
Dead and the first time they

1469
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,600
went to that savior outpost and
killed all those people.

1470
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,800
But we saw how that turned out.
That turned out.

1471
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:29,960
But I mean.
You see, it's.

1472
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,200
Here it is five years.
It's taking them five years to

1473
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,640
figure out where Joel is.
But you see them at the end of

1474
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,560
the episode.
They're up in the mountains and

1475
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,200
they see the town.
Of course, again, the town is

1476
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,880
lit up brightly because they're
celebrating New Year's Eve.

1477
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,000
And she just has this look on
her face like found.

1478
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,400
Now.
They probably don't realize for

1479
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:56,680
sure that he is there, but the
fact that they're that close.

1480
01:26:57,560 --> 01:27:00,800
They at least know that there's
a there's a lead there.

1481
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,200
This is going to be an
interesting season.

1482
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:09,920
I kind of think I know sort of
what their theme is going to be.

1483
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,560
It's really going to be about
the consequences of violence.

1484
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:20,240
Like Joel committing all that
violence.

1485
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:26,760
There begins is going to be get
more violence here, you know,

1486
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:31,680
and then I don't know, I, I feel
like this is going to be about

1487
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,280
the consequences of the violence
that they're doing to each

1488
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,040
other.
Yeah, yeah.

1489
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,760
'Cause it's it's going to be a
never ending cycle because the

1490
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,040
Cordyceps is just Cordyceps.
It's just the wild thing trying

1491
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,240
to do it's thing.
It's just trying to survive.

1492
01:27:47,480 --> 01:27:50,640
But we are literally killing
each other.

1493
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,120
But, you know, that's the theme
of all these types of shows,

1494
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,400
Walking Dead included.
It's like you think that the

1495
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:03,280
monsters are the things to fear,
and really, it's not.

1496
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,120
It's the people.
The monsters you can figure out

1497
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,160
how to deal with.
Once you figure out what makes

1498
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:10,680
them tick and how to get rid of
them, that part's easy.

1499
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,840
People are the ones that are
harder to read and harder to,

1500
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,840
you know, figure out.
Those are the ones that you

1501
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,880
really have to worry about
because people can be deceptive,

1502
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,240
You know, they can be dishonest.
They can be violent.

1503
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:28,600
They can be violent and that's
that's what made me think of of

1504
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,440
The Walking Dead.
They went in there and killed

1505
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:37,120
all the saviors and that outpost
that that was from the outside

1506
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,160
leaking in.
You are the monster.

1507
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:44,040
You literally are the monster.
That's that's why we have those

1508
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:49,080
panels that Michelle Casey and I
do all the time at ATLCC when

1509
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:54,920
we're talking about Maggie and
Megan and and those kinds of

1510
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:58,680
when you make those decisions
because, yeah, if you really

1511
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,840
think about it, Maggie started
all of that off.

1512
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,400
That wasn't even Rick.
Maggie was the one who told

1513
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,040
Gregory, yeah, we'll go and kill
the Saviors, and in exchange,

1514
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:11,400
you will give us the half of
your food that you were giving

1515
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,040
them.
And then you're going to give us

1516
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,800
some on top of that.
That was a Maggie thing.

1517
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,280
But we won't even get into that
conversation.

1518
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:23,800
We'll be here for hours.
But yeah.

1519
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,560
So.
So Abby and her friends, five

1520
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,360
years later, they have now found
the town of Jackson, WY.

1521
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,720
I don't know how deep this
season is going to get into all

1522
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:40,440
of that because right before
Season 2 premiered last night, a

1523
01:29:40,440 --> 01:29:45,040
few days prior, they announced
that it would be back for Season

1524
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,320
3.
So I've heard a couple of people

1525
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:51,440
who I know that play the games.
They think at some point they're

1526
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:55,160
going to split the storyline
that's told in the second game.

1527
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:59,080
They're going to split it
between Season 2 and Season 3 so

1528
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,840
they can kind of flesh out the
story a little bit more.

1529
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,280
If I'm not mistaken, Abby is a
playable character.

1530
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:11,840
She is because at some point in
the in the game, you you play as

1531
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:13,040
her.
Yeah.

1532
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:17,080
So I was like.
So we might give flashback of

1533
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:20,280
the five years of her trying to
find them.

1534
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:22,720
Yeah.
Of trying to find Joel.

1535
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,760
I think so.
And probably, you know, might

1536
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:31,200
get a little bit of story of how
she got, how she got to be in

1537
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,920
the Fireflies in the 1st place
because like I said, there were

1538
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:38,080
six of them there at the graves.
But she was the one who was

1539
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:43,200
visibly more affected than
anybody else.

1540
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,280
So I don't know if anybody in
that group, like especially

1541
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:49,160
Marlene, I don't know if that
was a lover for her, if that was

1542
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:53,320
a mother figure, if it was, you
know, somebody in her family.

1543
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:57,520
But she obviously, like
everybody else, was sad.

1544
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,120
She was visibly angry.
Like I said, you could almost

1545
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,000
feel that anger coming on the
screen.

1546
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,200
Yeah.
So yeah, they they have to give

1547
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:10,040
us some of her background story
to kind of tell us who this

1548
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,720
character is.
And I think it's it's going to

1549
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:18,720
be important for them to give us
some information that'll help us

1550
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:23,320
connect to her character.
Because that way, when it comes

1551
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:27,160
to the climax that we think it's
going to come to, if they stick

1552
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,960
to the game now, we know this is
an adaptation, they could decide

1553
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,240
to change some things.
I think they would make a lot of

1554
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:37,040
people angry if they did that.
But I mean it.

1555
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,680
Only, only the people who hadn't
played the games.

1556
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:46,520
No, I mean, as as far as if they
keep a certain character alive,

1557
01:31:47,480 --> 01:31:51,040
yeah, I, no, I think, I think
gay people probably would be

1558
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:52,760
pissed too.
Because kind of like, OK, yeah,

1559
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:57,920
we understand this is likeable
character, but that person dies

1560
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:01,680
in the game and you know, it,
there's this build up and blah,

1561
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,760
blah, blah.
It needs to kind of sort of, OK,

1562
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,200
we're going to reference The
Walking Dead again, kind of with

1563
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,520
the whole Glenn storyline.
Cause a lot of people, even

1564
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,920
though he died in the comics and
he died the exact same way in

1565
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:18,480
the comics, people were pissed
when Glenn got killed.

1566
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:22,760
Like a lot of people stopped
watching the show, not only

1567
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:27,920
because he got killed, but also
because of the violence that

1568
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,760
came with it and everybody, you
know, all the other people.

1569
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,800
Like did you not read the
graphic novel?

1570
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,040
Like this is exactly how he dies
in the graphic novel, all the

1571
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:40,120
way down to the dangling eye.
Like this is what happens in the

1572
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:42,120
story.
You always, you know, people

1573
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:44,440
always talk about, oh, they
don't follow the can and they're

1574
01:32:44,440 --> 01:32:47,120
not true to to the story.
But then when they're true to

1575
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,480
the story, y'all want to be
pissed off about it because this

1576
01:32:49,480 --> 01:32:54,040
wasn't what you wanted?
Yeah, that's why I said if, if

1577
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,760
that certain character dies, the
people who played the game, we'd

1578
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:58,760
be like, OK, we knew that was
going to happen.

1579
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,320
It's all the people who are new
to it.

1580
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:07,080
It was going to be all upset.
And the other thing is, the

1581
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:10,520
other thing is if they do this
thing that Kirkland did right,

1582
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:16,600
Kirkman, Kirkman, Kirkman, he,
he tried to change a lot of

1583
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:19,200
things that he thought maybe he
got wrong the first time.

1584
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,760
So it's possible that that the
people writing this, because I

1585
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,360
think the video game people are
involved, they're not writing

1586
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:30,080
it, but I'm I'm sure they're
consulted it it they could be

1587
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:33,280
like, well, what if we do this?
Do you think that would, you

1588
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,520
know, so it could be possible
that they keep that character

1589
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:41,600
alive and and it just be one of
those scenes where this is

1590
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,280
something we didn't do in the
video game.

1591
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:47,480
It would be interesting to see
if we had made that option to

1592
01:33:47,480 --> 01:33:53,320
see how it would go.
OK, and and I would be OK with

1593
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,000
that, but I like games like
that.

1594
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,880
I'm a huge Mass Effect fan.
I like when I have choices.

1595
01:33:59,480 --> 01:34:02,120
So if that had been an option in
the game, I haven't played the

1596
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,480
game, but if that.
Like choose your own adventure.

1597
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:07,800
Yeah, that would, that would be
a cool option to have to be

1598
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,040
like, OK, well, I don't want
this person to die.

1599
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,760
What can I do to make this not
happen?

1600
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:14,600
Because that happens in Mass
Effect.

1601
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:18,720
There's a character in Mass
Effect 3 that if you have done

1602
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,520
certain things in Mass Effect
one, Mass Effect two, he doesn't

1603
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:23,880
die.
In Mass Effect three, you can

1604
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:29,320
actually save his life.
OK, but this margins are so

1605
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:33,120
slick.
You make one mistake that that

1606
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:34,880
person dies no matter what.
OK.

1607
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:39,720
So it would be cool if they had,
if they do, if they take that

1608
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:43,240
approach.
So we'll see.

1609
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:43,840
We'll.
See.

1610
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,400
We'll see.
So I mean, I think either way it

1611
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,080
goes whether whether that
character is killed or whether

1612
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,720
another character is killed
'cause it could be that, you

1613
01:34:54,720 --> 01:35:00,080
know, kind of like, again,
Walking Dead, they had a, they

1614
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,520
had a death where, you know,
characters heads were put on

1615
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:07,000
pipes and all of the characters
who died in the show were not

1616
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,240
necessarily the ones who died in
the comics, Like characters who

1617
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,960
died in the comics, they spared
them in the show and substituted

1618
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,760
another person or another
character in their place.

1619
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:18,760
They could very easily do that
here.

1620
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:24,600
There's other, there's other
ways to tell the story and make

1621
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:30,640
it someone else who dies that
will I think could further the

1622
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:35,120
story, you know, because then
you have another person who is

1623
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,000
out for revenge, but then you
had this endless cycle and where

1624
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,760
is it going to end and blah,
blah, blah.

1625
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:43,200
That could be a great story,
depending on how they tell it.

1626
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:46,760
Or it could just be one of those
things where it's like, OK, can

1627
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:48,880
you kill them both already, you
know?

1628
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,240
Yeah, I think, like I said, I
think the point of show is about

1629
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:57,400
the consequences of violence and
the cycle of violence that that

1630
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,800
is just never ending.
Yeah, yeah.

1631
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:05,400
But this episode got off to a
great start.

1632
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,160
It gave us some story.
It gave us a little bit of

1633
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:12,640
drama.
It gave us some drama 8.

1634
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:18,040
And a half out of 10.
OK, look, you've been jealous

1635
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:23,040
with the ratings lately.
Well, you know, that's what

1636
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:24,960
happens when we watch good
quality TV.

1637
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:26,720
And we will.
And the bus.

1638
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,400
Is one of those shows that is
good quality TV even when the

1639
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:34,000
story is moving slow.
I feel like it's good because

1640
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,320
they're giving us information
that we need to know and they're

1641
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,480
doing it in an interesting way.
I mean, like I said, Ellie

1642
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:44,120
walking through that store, I
was like, OK, here we go walking

1643
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:46,760
through the woods, but it's the
store she's looking through

1644
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:49,200
People magazine.
Why are you guys showing us the

1645
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,480
oh wait, is that something
moving behind her?

1646
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,840
It was like the way that they
presented it was so unexpected

1647
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,600
because I didn't even see that
thing up there until it moved.

1648
01:37:00,440 --> 01:37:06,520
Like literally I, you know how
they say, you know, if it, if

1649
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,240
it, it would have bit me, I, I
wouldn't have noticed.

1650
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:10,920
I I'd be dead right?
Now.

1651
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,880
I'd be quarter steps with these
things coming out of my nose and

1652
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:16,000
stuff.
Yeah.

1653
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,600
But I mean, they played it very
well.

1654
01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:24,240
So do we have any final thoughts
about this episode?

1655
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,920
I think we talked about all the
the major stuff.

1656
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,600
We talked about all of it.
We talked about all of it.

1657
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:35,440
OK, All right, so we are kicking
off season 2.

1658
01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:38,240
It's it's a great start and
we're going to keep it going.

1659
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:40,440
But for now, that is it for our
show.

1660
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,520
You can find us online at
www.phantomhybrid.com.

1661
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,520
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the social media at Phantom

1662
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:49,480
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1663
01:37:49,480 --> 01:37:51,320
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1664
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:54,160
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1665
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,800
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1666
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,640
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