The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 2 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #351

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and we are here to
discuss Season 2, Episode 2 of

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The Last of Us.
Raise my box of tissues when I

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need.
Them.

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So are we going to look, are we
going to save that to the last

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or are we going to go on ahead
and RIP the Band-Aid off?

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We we should just RIP the
Band-Aid off.

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I can't believe they didn't even
give us half a season before

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they they dropped the Abbey
killing Joel bomb.

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Well, I think, I don't know, I
think maybe they're like most

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people watch this show, probably
no.

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So there's no reason to just be
around the Bush just because the

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same people will complain.
Why didn't y'all just get it

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over with instead of leading up
to it?

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Because.
Those of us who didn't play the

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game, we needed time.
Even though some of us knew what

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was happening, we needed time to
wrap our mind around it and I

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just don't feel like they gave
us enough time.

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Yeah, well, what I thought they
were going to do, like I really

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didn't think they were going to
kill him in the second episode

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because in a game, Abby is a
playable character.

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So I thought, well, maybe they
will start like the episode 1

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and the Episode 2 would just
start with Abby's character and

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we'll follow her journey.
Right.

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Up until, you know, at least
towards the end of the season,

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we get her coming to Jackson and
then we would have last night's

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episode.
I thought that that's what they

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were going to do to kind of
build up Abby's character for

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us.
But you know.

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Well, I think what they what
they ended up doing is they they

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went on ahead and got that part
over with.

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So now I think the way that
they've done things in the past,

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we'll probably go back and see a
little bit more of like

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flashbacks of her character,
probably while she's training in

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Seattle.
But I think they went on ahead

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and did that.
So we could also see Ellie's

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journey because Ellie is about
to kill a bitch do.

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You.
Do you understand the words that

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are coming out of my mouth?
Ellie is about, oh, I never, I

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never changed my name.
I was just Ellie is about to

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kill a bitch.
They have a woke in the cracker.

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Man, I asked, I asked Mike, my
son, earlier today because I

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couldn't remember if he played
the game before.

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And I said, do you play The Last
of Us?

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So he just looked at me.
He said we had this conversation

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during Season 1.
I said I can't remember, that

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was so long ago.
So he was like, yeah, he was

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like asking me if I play that.
It's like asking me if I play

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Red Dead.
What is?

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It red dead.
Redemption.

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Redemption, yes.
So I said, oh OK, I said, so

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this episode I'm watching
because I'd paused the episode

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my second watch through to run
him to the store real quick.

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I said this was that episode.
He said, Oh yeah, no y'all can

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have that bullshit.
He was like, I had to play

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through that shit.
I'm not no, I don't need to see

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it.
I was, when I say I was watching

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this and as as the events of the
episode are unfolding, I'm kind

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of sort of sitting in my head
like, they're not going to do

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this yet.
Because I really thought the way

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they were going to do this
character, especially after Joel

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saved her, I thought there might
be a little bit of conflict

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there, like a little bit of, Oh,
well, he did save my life.

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And then I thought, OK, well,
what we're going to do is we're

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going to, we're going to go back
with him to Jackson.

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We're going to help out with
whatever.

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And then we're going to kill
him.

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Like we're going to let him, you
know, have him let us in.

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I thought it was going to be one
of those elaborate scams.

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But I will say this for Abby,
she's single minded.

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She was like, no, fuck that
shit.

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I'm not about to, I'm not about
to kiss up to him.

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This man killed my dad.
I'm about to kill him.

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So I, I give her her respect for
that.

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But I I just, I wasn't expecting
it to get to that climax in this

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episode.
Like, I fully thought, OK, like

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if I was writing it and that's
what I wanted to do, when she

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pulled the shot and shot him in
the leg, I would have went to

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black and then come back up to
her like five years ago.

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Well.
We we've.

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Done trying to track him down,
like go through the process of

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of figuring out where he is and
and how much time it actually

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took him to do it.
Yeah, that would have been good

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for at least three or 4
episodes.

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So I think we'll probably still
get some of that because I do

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know that even though can't you
say, even though Joel is dead,

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can't.
Even say words.

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I don't think Pedro's time on
the show is over yet because

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there were scenes that they
showed in the promos, the, you

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know, before the season started
and just different little clips

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that we've seen where like
there's a scene with him and the

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therapist in in a cafe having
coffee.

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There's a scene with him and
Ellie having a confrontation.

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So I don't think we're done
seeing him yet.

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We just know that present day
Joel is gone.

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Let me tell you, I can't even
once my mind wrapped itself

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around the fact that this was
actually happening.

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This is 1 of this is one of the
the few times that although I

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was devastated, I could not cry.
I just sat there watching the

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scream like you fucking bitch.
I mean, that's all I could do.

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I couldn't even cry because it's
like I've known that this was

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going to happen.
I knew it was going to happen in

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season 2 because that's all the
gamers talk about is the whole

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thing with Abby and Joel.
And yeah, Oh yeah.

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She becomes a playable character
because she, you know, and she

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kills Joel.
I was like, who the hell asked

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for that?
But I was like, OK, it's, it's

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an interesting twist.
It's the net start.

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You know, I, I felt, I felt a
lot of Game of Thrones vibes

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with this episode a lot.
But I just.

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But so you become Abby and and
Ellie is the monster.

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You know what?
And and and OK.

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And that and that, that is the
that's the thing about about

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being happy.
You have this thing.

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You don't really know what's
happening.

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There's let me go for you.
You have no idea you're being

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stalked.
Yeah, it's crazy.

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Yeah, I've heard about that.
And you know, I, I will say

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this.
If I take a step back, if I take

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my emotion out of it, if I take
the fact that I have been

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watching Joe's journey, you
know, for the whole season 2

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episodes that he was there, I
could probably say, OK, I could

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understand what Abby did.
I really could.

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You know, that's your, that was
your dad that he gunned down and

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you still don't.
I mean, I guess The thing is you

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still don't know why he fucking
did it.

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And I understand you don't care.
It doesn't matter to you.

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But just like you are coming to
get vengeance for your dad, he

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was doing that for his surrogate
child.

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And I was like.
Yeah, but The thing is, after

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you saw that town, after you saw
how many people were there, you

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think they were just going to
let that slide, You know what

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I'm saying?
Like violence begets violence,

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revenge is like digging your own
grief.

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Oh and then she she about to
have not only you, you think you

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think Tommy not about to come
after this bitch that killed his

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brother?
And that's the thing if we we

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sometimes overlook the fact that
remember when he said he and his

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brother he used to do?
Some do terrible things.

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He used to do some things you.
You really look what cracking

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are you talking about in your
screen name because both of

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think of 2.
Both of them.

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And I have a feeling Maria's
going to try to talk him down,

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but no Boo Boo.
He's not going to be able to.

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That's my Big Brother, and the
fact that they're dragging him

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back and he's not even going to
be recognizable because of what

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she did to his face.
Nah, ain't no.

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But I do like how well like I do
see why the showrunners did it

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his body like that.
So there will be no question,

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like if they just left it at the
theme singing on his neighbor,

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maybe she saved them, Maybe he
might be a chance.

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He still like, Nope, he's gone.
Yeah, he gone.

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They they showed us the body.
He gone, he's wrapped up being

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drugged.
Back and and you see.

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You see the?
They they.

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Took care of the head so that
he, you know, nothing could

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because of course they already
know they're about to go back to

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a town.
That's probably not the way that

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they left it because of all the
fire and stuff.

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Because the OK, the the other
crazy part of this episode,

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like, like you couldn't just
kill the man and let us deal

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with the peace.
You had to have us stress the

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whole fucking episode because I
thought Tommy was going to get

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it in this episode.
Really.

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And for some reason, I wasn't
too too much worried about

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Maria, especially after Tommy
distracted the Bloater.

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After after all that crap
happening.

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I I wasn't, I wasn't too much
worried about her.

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I think the emotional impact
would really be if something

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happened to Tommy, which the
Tommy was like this close is

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close.
Several times I was worried

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about Seth.
I mean, that bloater was right

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in front of him about to swipe
down and then not.

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Those lucky motherfucker.
What was interesting was the

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other flamethrower guys.
I was like, are they running

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away?
Yes they are.

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Yes they are, Yes they did.
And he stood.

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There like I'm gonna do this and
then those muffles, right, I

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don't.
Think I can't say I blame them

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'cause when you see that coming
at you, especially if you

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weren't on the wall and saw what
it was, because if I had been on

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that wall, I'd have been, I'd
have been shitting myself.

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I'm not lying because you you
hear them talk at the beginning

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of this episode.
In the last episode, you know,

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they've had clickers getting
closer to the town.

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They talked about it earlier in
this episode.

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They were like, yeah, so we
found some dead clickers in the

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snow and then a group of 30 of
them came from up under them.

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They were using the dead ones
for insulation.

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I was like, oh, y'all from the
y'all about to give us some shit

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in this episode again.
I wasn't expecting it so soon.

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I was not expecting what came
out of the ground the way that

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it did.
And I was like, I should Episode

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5 last season.
They got me with that one.

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I should have known they were
gonna be on some bullshit with

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this one too.
I was, I was thinking they were

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prepared for a large group of of
clickers.

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They weren't prepared for a
horde that.

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Was an army.
That was an army.

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That was a horde.
That was a lot.

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They were not prepared for that.
If it was like 100 and 5200,

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they've been all right.
But I swear it had to be 1000

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it.
Had to be I mean, Jesse kind of

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said it earlier in the episode
and you know, we kind of took it

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as a joke like ha ha, Ellie did
too.

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But then when you see them
coming out of the ground, like

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it's playing in the background
now Abby just came to end.

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Also, all of this is your fault.
All of this is your fault.

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You should stay to ass put, but
you want to go try to be

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whatever it is.
You see these two P.

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You know, you you see these two
people on patrol.

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You don't even know who these
people are.

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It just so happened to be Joel.
But even even with that.

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I don't know because it happened
the same time the dude cracked

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another one of those pipes.
But see, that's why they started

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turning away and.
Yeah, and he pulled out the

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thing, but I think they would
have come out of the ground even

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he when he did that.
Yeah, they were.

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Yeah, But I.
Think they were going to come

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out of the ground anyway.
Yeah, but.

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Because he did not.
It wasn't like, 'cause last time

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they cracked them up and they
didn't mess with it.

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This time he did again and
started trying to pull it in.

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Was pulling.
It out because I don't think

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when they cracked it the first
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were there initially.
I think kind of like they were.

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They were 'cause they, they were
'cause they moved around and

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went back in.
That was at night though.

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They cracked the pipe earlier in
the day.

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Early in the day, yeah.
Yeah.

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So I think the tendrils probably
made their way out to where we

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saw them that night, but they
weren't there that day.

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Because if they if, if the
tendrils had been in that pipe

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that day, they would not have
had no New Year's Eve

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celebration.
I guarantee that they would have

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been, they would have been
dealing with different type of

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fireworks, like those gas
barrels, which I was laughing

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when the gas barrels came,
'cause I was like I hit Anthony

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in my head.
What the hell?

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They get all that gas 'cause
that was a lot of gas.

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If that.
Was gas.

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If it was gas it could have been
some other flam flammable

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liquid.
I mean, we don't know, but.

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OK, yeah, it could have been
bacon grease.

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So the bacon grease they had
saved up.

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I mean, it, it could be
something, but yeah, it was like

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when when we see the the start
of the episode and you kind of

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get the idea that this was
somebody close.

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Because I think in the last
episode, I was thinking that her

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connection was to Marlene
because, you know, Marlene was

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the prominent person in the
Firefly.

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So I just automatically so oh,
there might have been a mother

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figure or depending on how old,
you know, could have been a

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could have been a lover.
I mean, in this kind of

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environment, you might see a
little more May December romance

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type thing.
I was like, OK, that must be

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what it is.
I never think about the fact

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that the doctor could have been
related to her, but it does

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explain some of the conversation
they had back at the graves when

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they were like even if it was
true about Ellie, there was

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like, there's nothing we can do
about it now because since and

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she was like, don't it makes
more sense now cuz she don't

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want to hear about her dad being
dead.

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Like she sees the the evidence
right there.

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But when, when they wake up and
they see the town, because you

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know, when we, when we saw them
in the last episode, it was

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night time.
They just saw a little bit of

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the lights.
They just thought, oh, OK, maybe

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a few tents or whatever.
They wake up and they see it's a

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whole fucking city down there.
They have to start rethinking

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what they're going to do to the
point where the, the guy, I

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can't think of his name, but
he's like, he tells the other

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ones.
He's like, yeah, my, my plan is

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to convince her to let this go.
And I was like, dude, that's

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not, that's not about, that's
not going to happen.

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That's not about that.
She might rethink some things

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because like they said, they're
looking at the town with the

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binoculars and they're like, oh,
they have fences, they have

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guard towers.
They only have four ways out and

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all of them are blocked.
I mean, you know, all of them

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are guarded.
They have dogs, they have all of

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this.
They got military people like

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there's there's nothing you for.
I don't care how much militia

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training the five of you have,
you are not going to take that

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whole town.
Right.

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But if they had scouted just a
little bit more and paid

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attention, they have a pretty
much an open door policy.

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They they could have.
Yeah, they.

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Could have just went down there
and he'd be like, hey, we didn't

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know you guys were here.
They was taking the man.

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They just saw them and was like
oh y'all have some training?

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And that's what I thought was
going to happen.

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You know, I was like, yeah,
that's that's an easy plan.

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Figure out who everybody is,
find out who Joe is.

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Take a patrol with them.
But the sad thing is Joe walked

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right into her like, you know,
even saved her because she she

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was about to she was about to
get got.

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Yeah.
But, and, and you know, spoiler,

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for those of us who haven't
played the game and you're not

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going to play the game in the
game, it was him and Tommy were

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partnered up.
So it was Tommy that was with

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him.
OK, yeah.

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And I I did read something about
that because they were like,

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they like the fact that they
changed it up between Tommy and

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Dana so that Tommy was at the
town and he was having his big

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hero moment there.
I was like, yeah, I kind of like

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that better.
Well, the main problem game the

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players of the game had is that
he when they were in the cabin,

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he and Tommy called each other
by their names, and that's how

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she knew it was Joe.
But knowing the two of them and

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having done what they've done,
it's more likely they wouldn't

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have used their real names in
front of people they didn't

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know.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So that's why I think, and that

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was one of the other reasons why
they made the change with Dina,

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because she was yelling his name
out.

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You didn't know he had someone
with her as a you know.

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So Abby overheard his name as
opposed to to Tommy just saying

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name out loud.
Right, right.

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And I thought about that too,
like towards the end, once Ellie

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finds them in the in the lodge
and she comes in, you know, guns

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blazing and she gets taken down
and she's sitting there looking

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at what they've done to him and
and she kind of realizes what

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they're going to do to him.
You know, she's sitting there

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telling him, get up, Joe, get
up, Joe, get up.

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And there was a, there was a
part of me that really wanted

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because at this point, Joel and
Ellie are still estranged.

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You know, this is literally New
Year's Day.

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This is the day after the whole
party, the little fight that,

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you know, the argument that they
got into this is the next day.

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So they're still estranged.
I don't.

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Well, we don't talk about that.
I don't think so anymore.

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I think they were, but she I
think.

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Because because he strung, he
strung the guitar back.

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He put it back in her room.
He told them not to wake her up.

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So she gets some rest.
And the first thing she said

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was, I want to go on patrol with
Joel.

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And then you know which one
claw?

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He said something about it.
And she was like, no, Joel is

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Joel and I'm me.
And what you all see on the

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outside is not necessarily
what's going on between us.

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I think she.
I don't think.

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So that Jesse would get off her
ass about it because it's it's

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the next day.
They literally have not had time

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to make up because.
Yeah, but we have to we also,

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but we also have to understand
how the dynamics of their

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relationship, right?
He ain't that emotional of a

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person who is when it comes to
expressing outward emotions.

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He's good at showing he's he,
you know, his love language is

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acts of service.
Well, what we saw was that she

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went, she went to her garage
angry at him still.

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And that's the last thing we see
with with them together.

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Right, but the first thing she
asked for, I want to go on

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patrol with Joel.
I think she was trying to get

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away from Jesse because she was
feeling awkward because she

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kissed Jesse's ex-girlfriend.
No, because what she says after

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that is all related to her and
Joel and what's going on with

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them.
And she was, she was like very

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serious about it.
They didn't look like something

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she was making up.
And no, and I get that.

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And I do believe that part of
her does believe that.

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Like, OK, you know what?
He's him.

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And I, me.
And I mean, Jolene said the same

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thing in the first episode when
he was talking.

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I forgot who he was talking to.
I think he was talking to Dina.

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It's like she's her and I, me
and, you know, we'll figure this

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out.
It's almost like if you, I mean,

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you're a parent, you know, there
are times when your children are

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mad at you and they don't want
to talk to you or whatever.

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And it's kind of like, OK, I
don't want to talk to you.

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I'm mad at you.
I don't want to have anything to

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do with you.
But that doesn't mean that

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anybody else can comment on that
situation.

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That doesn't mean that they can
be like, oh, what's going on

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with y'all and stuff?
No, stay the fuck out of our

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business.
We, we got this.

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However we handle it, we going
to handle that.

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But that's not for y'all to
know.

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And that's the way I took that.
She was like, look, my, my, my

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relationship with him is
complicated, but but we're good.

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And then when Jesse kept
pushing, he was like, so y'all

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made-up or whatever it was that
she just kind of looked at him

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like get out my business because
it's really nobody else's

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business in the town what the
situation is with them.

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And I'm going to say this too.
I do believe that she knows what

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he did to the fireflies.
And I say that because during

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the course of this episode, you
know, there's a snowstorm that

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comes in and they have to go
take shelter in one of the

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stores in the town that they're
patrolling.

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And it turns out that story is
Eugene's store, the the

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therapist's husband.
And we do find out a little bit

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about what happened to him in
this particular episode.

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He apparently got got bit,
turned or started to turn and

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Joel had to put him down.
Jesse is making that comment,

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talking to Ellie.
And he was like, man, that's,

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you know, that's messed up.
You go fight in Vietnam, you

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fight a whole war, and then you
die from something like this.

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But it couldn't be helped.
And the look on Ellie's face and

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she was just like, yeah.
And I was like, she knows what

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Joel did.
Yeah, from that mistake in the

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game, he tells her.
What?

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He eventually comes clean, He
tells her.

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So we'll probably see that.
In a, we'll probably see it in

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the flashback.
Yeah, in a future episode.

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That's why I was like, I don't
think he's, I don't think he's

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done done.
But, you know, I was, I was just

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like, there was a moment in that
in that scene where she's

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watching him about to die.
And I just wanted something

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between the two of them.
Like, I don't know, like me, you

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know, I'm like the the sappy
romantic.

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I need to have like closure and,
and all this other stuff.

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Like I wanted her to maybe call
him dad one time.

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I wanted him to kind of just be
like Ellie, you know, or just

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say her name.
And then I thought about I was

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like, if the Fireflies heard him
say her name, they will

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understand why he did what he
did.

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And then also they would
probably understand why he ain't

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said nothing because he could
have easily defended himself

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when Abby was asking all the
questions.

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And he just sat there like OK,
you going to kill me?

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It it's not going to matter what
I say.

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But if they had said anything
other than what was said with

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her calling him out, I feel like
if Abby would have known who

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Ellie was, if she had realized
that connection, she would have

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transferred her anger onto Ellie
to him.

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Be like, you're the whole reason
all of this started.

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If you hadn't have been there,
then he wouldn't have come after

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you.
My dad would still be alive.

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And I was like, yeah, no, she
will probably kill Ellie 1st and

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make Joel watch it before she
kills him.

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So I was like, OK, I guess I'm
not going to get my my daddy

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daughter moments, but I just, I
really wanted something like

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that.
Yeah, no, no.

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And I, I will say this, Joel,
Joel isn't stupid.

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He saw.
He knew from the jump that look

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in her face, the look in her
eyes, he knew.

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He's like, no matter what I say,
no matter what I do, she's going

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to kill me.
Especially given.

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The fact that that half of the
people in the room were looking

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uncomfortable with what she was
doing.

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Yeah, he was like, yeah, she she
about to kill me.

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Yeah, he knew.
He and he, that's why he was

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like, she's going to her
speeches, like just shut up and

445
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,080
get over with.
Right, because at that point I

446
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,560
was like, I had look, have you
not heard of monologue and and

447
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,880
why that's a bad thing?
I mean, I didn't think he was

448
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,720
going to get up and do anything
because he really was.

449
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,640
I think at that point he had
already resigned himself to die.

450
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,680
Because if he didn't, I mean, he
had Dina there with him.

451
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,200
They had already knocked her
out, put her to sleep.

452
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,760
So I think he was thinking more
or less what they would do to

453
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,600
her if he did anything.
And I think at that point, he

454
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,520
was just kind of like, OK, this
is it.

455
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:34,480
No, he, he knew my mother wept.
He was going to die.

456
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,080
I do feel like.
And he, he knew that they were

457
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,240
not going to do anything.
But then because they put her

458
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,360
out, they didn't kill her or
anything.

459
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,040
They just put her out.
And he knew that that was just a

460
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,200
threat.
So.

461
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,160
Yeah.
He he knew that he was going to.

462
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:53,360
Die.
I do think though, that he was

463
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,280
conscious enough towards the
end.

464
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,280
I'm pretty sure he probably if
if anything about that whole

465
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,880
situation pissed him off 'cause
I think Joe has probably known,

466
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,960
OK, something is going to come
from this.

467
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,960
You know, like you can't
slaughter people like that and

468
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,200
just get away with.
I think he always knew something

469
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,320
was going to come for him.
I think he would have been

470
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,920
pissed off about the fact that
Ellie ended up showing up and

471
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,240
she had to watch it.
That was probably the last thing

472
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,840
he thought.
Like, I don't want this for her,

473
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:31,040
But there was nothing he could
do 'cause I mean, she, she beat

474
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,120
the shit out of him.
Yeah, she made good on her

475
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:40,720
promise to kill him slow.
That's OK 'cause I think Ellie,

476
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,600
when she gets to her, she gonna
be worse.

477
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,480
And I'm so sorry.
I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm waiting

478
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,800
for it to happen.
I'm like, because I don't want

479
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,960
to say she's a villain, she's a
bad guy or even Joel is bad guy.

480
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:03,000
Like in this type of world.
We talk about this all the time

481
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,760
with Walking Dead and we've
talked about it with this show

482
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,640
and just kind of all of this
dystopian or end of the world

483
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,080
thing.
You don't have your good people,

484
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,680
you don't have your bad people.
Everybody in this type of

485
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,400
situation is going to be have a
have questionable morals because

486
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,280
what else can you do in this
type of world?

487
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,040
It is a kill or be killed type
of world.

488
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:31,960
But it's like you, you, you add
on the fact that one, she killed

489
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:39,080
Joel 2 in her quest to try to
kill Joe, because I'm pretty

490
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,840
sure she went after whoever she
saw on patrol thinking, OK, it's

491
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,960
only two people.
I can take them.

492
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000
I can do what I said I was going
to do early.

493
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,160
I can tie them up.
I can ask them about Joe, you

494
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,360
know, something like that.
Or she could have, if she had

495
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,160
really thought about it, the
whole pretending thing, she

496
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,160
could have been like, I heard my
somebody is, is here in Jackson,

497
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,840
my, my dad's best friend.
I mean, she could have played it

498
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,360
off like, I'm looking for a guy
named Joel, blah, blah, blah.

499
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,240
She could have done that.
But she had to sit there and try

500
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,960
to climb down to rain that she
was not familiar with in an area

501
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,000
she was not familiar with.
And what happens?

502
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,360
She loses her footing.
She slides down the hill into a

503
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,800
literal mass graveyard of
clickers frozen in the snow up

504
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,360
until they realize that
something is moving up there and

505
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,200
the way that snow starts turning
and breaking up as they're

506
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,800
coming out.
I was like, let me go fix me

507
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,040
some coffee.
I couldn't, y'all can't be

508
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,080
stressing me out like this.
And then the night before I went

509
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,320
to go see Sinners.
So that day I was like, Nope,

510
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,840
this is too much for me this
weekend.

511
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,040
It's too much.
It's too much.

512
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,360
I got too many monsters in my
life right now.

513
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:08,200
I can't do it.
But didn't they feel like, what

514
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,680
was that battle with?
The uh huh, when John, when Jon

515
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,720
Snow and the guys were being
when Jon Snow came out the

516
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,840
water, he was being chased by
the White Walkers.

517
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,520
Yes, that's exactly what I
thought, exactly what I thought,

518
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,360
because I was, I was looking at
it and I was like, I'm getting

519
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:30,760
some Game of Thrones vibe that
should have told me to expect

520
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,160
what happened to Joe.
I was like, oh, OK, yeah, I'm

521
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,360
just doing the whole Game of
Thrones things, except we got

522
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,200
clickers instead of White
Walkers.

523
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,400
We have Joe Miller instead of
Ned Stark just.

524
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,160
And somebody asked me that on
social media.

525
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,320
It was like, how am I supposed
to go to work tomorrow feeling

526
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,320
like this?
I said, Can you imagine?

527
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,200
We used to do this every week.
She was like, what the hell was

528
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,240
wrong with I?
Mean it's.

529
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:11,560
It's it's, it's such a good
episode in a bad way, but it's

530
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,000
also a bad episode in a really,
really good way.

531
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,320
This is probably the best
episode for me of of both

532
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,840
seasons so far.
Yeah.

533
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,240
Yeah, and explain, explain this
to me.

534
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:31,280
Who took the time out?
Who took the time out to convert

535
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,160
a 711 into a greenhouse?
Eugene.

536
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,920
No, Eugene found it, he said.
Me and Eugene found it on the

537
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,600
patrol.
You're.

538
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,440
Right, you're right.
Could have been somebody who was

539
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,520
there before.
He he said Eugene found them on

540
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,000
the patrol and then showed it to
me when we're on the patrol.

541
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
I I don't know mate.

542
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,440
I mean, I guess you do what you
got to do when the world is

543
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,480
doing this shit.
I mean, that's how look, that's

544
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,720
how Joel paid for his, that's
how he paid for his therapy

545
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,280
session.
That's why she was like, you

546
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,760
think I don't know what this is?
And she started telling him all

547
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,080
the insurance and out because
she was aware of what Eugene was

548
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,760
doing in that 711, because she
was like, yeah, he been doing

549
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,760
this since high school.
I was like, yeah, I know a few

550
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:31,280
people, but I I still can't
believe they didn't.

551
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,680
They didn't even give us half a
season.

552
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,800
It's like the first, first
episode we going to set it up

553
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,880
and let y'all know, oh this is
what's going on.

554
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,360
And in the second episode, we
really just going to smack the

555
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,320
shit out of you and then pull
the rug up from under you?

556
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,600
Yeah, but but, you know, Pedro
Pascal is a busy man.

557
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,720
He got a lot of things going on
and he is, you know.

558
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:02,600
And, you know, I was looking at
some of the some of the kind of

559
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,280
reaction episode, excuse me,
reaction interviews that they're

560
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,120
doing now because, you know,
because it's kind of out there.

561
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,880
And he said, you know, yeah,
this was this was basically I

562
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,360
knew this before I even got the
part.

563
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:22,400
Like they all, they were always
very upfront about, you know,

564
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,040
hey, we're, we're getting this
from source material from this

565
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:32,680
game and we are going to stay as
true to it as we can in this

566
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,680
medium.
So he was like, I've always

567
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,000
known it was just the, the once
it got to that point, it was

568
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,720
just kind of like, and I'm just
like.

569
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,440
And but you know, they probably
can't afford him anymore anyway

570
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,120
'cause he's the biggest thing on
the cast, so.

571
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,320
Yeah.
But you know what?

572
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,680
I would think that when they
signed him.

573
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,080
Probably put a cap.
On his salary like OK, we we're

574
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,040
going to do 2 years we're going
to give you this salary because

575
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,880
he was already on his way up
like he was shooting up the

576
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,159
stratosphere when he got this he
was already doing Mando don't

577
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:15,320
tell you now they.
Don't do caps.

578
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,639
He had to he had to renegotiate
clause in there based on how

579
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,120
successful the show was going to
be.

580
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,480
But if he knew he was going to
be out, he he made sure to

581
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,960
maximize his income from what
they had and they would have had

582
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,199
to pay him more and.
Especially.

583
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,360
If he was going to be a, if he
was going to be a permanent

584
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,400
Castman versus recurring because
you don't get paid as much as a

585
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:49,480
recurring so but.
So here, now now.

586
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,360
He'll just be recurring and they
like pay him so much and he can

587
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,280
go off and do all the MCU movies
he wants to do.

588
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,040
You know, it's so funny because
I've been seeing people online

589
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,120
complaining about the fact that
he's doing so much.

590
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,600
They're like, you know,
Hollywood gets in this thing

591
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,960
where they find a favorite and
they put them in everything.

592
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,840
And I'm like, no, this
motherfucker is just that good.

593
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,360
He's.
He's a great.

594
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,880
Actor just that good.
He's like a charisma.

595
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Yeah, there's a lot of.
Cruise with that, yeah.

596
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,160
You know, yeah, but.
You know, I, I.

597
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,200
Read article about that.
The Hollywood always finds like

598
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,600
5 actors and five actresses that
they like and that's how you

599
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,080
seeing everything until they get
replaced by another actor

600
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,600
actress.
That's OK, because you know.

601
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:42,520
What the fact that he is this
buzzed about at 50, that's

602
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,240
that's almost an unheard of
thing in Hollywood.

603
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,800
You know, it's like, especially
because.

604
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,320
He's been in the business.
For what, 20 something years?

605
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:58,240
But he's only been like big big
since Game of Thrones, and that

606
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:03,080
sometimes don't doesn't happen
because you know how this whole.

607
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,240
How this whole thing is?
With older people, I mean, not

608
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:13,320
so much men as as it is for
women, but still him being a 50

609
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,000
year old, you know, they
consider 50 over the hill.

610
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,920
But thank you.
I'm just saying I'm I got I got

611
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,440
two weeks.
I got two weeks.

612
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,440
Where's Where's Mike?
At when I need him, I'm I'm just

613
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,760
saying that.
That's that's what Hollywood

614
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,760
does.
I'm not saying this right,

615
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,040
because when you take all of
this, this Gray out of Joel

616
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,160
Miller's head and you look at
Pedro Pascal, you're not going

617
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,560
to look at him and think he's
50.

618
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:48,320
No.
So But yeah, I just, when I say

619
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,880
this episode hurt my heart so
much, like I don't even I know

620
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,080
we had a whole other thing going
on.

621
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,200
I don't even know if I have the
energy to talk about it.

622
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,600
It's just.
It was a very.

623
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,800
Emotional, emotionally draining
episode.

624
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,000
I mean, there was a lot going
on, a lot of roller coaster UPS.

625
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,600
Now I, I literally was holding
my breath during the horde

626
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,800
attack.
Like, I was, I was, I was, I was

627
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,840
just on the couch.
And even with watching Abby and

628
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,160
Joel, that whole dialogue where
she starts telling him about,

629
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,840
you know, the Fireflies and oh,
do you know how many people you

630
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,000
killed?
Did you count them as they, you

631
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,680
know, as they fell or whatever?
You killed 18 people and one

632
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,000
doctor.
And then when he when she said

633
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,320
doctor, his eyes kind of moved.
She was like, yeah, I'm pretty

634
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,240
sure, you guessed it, that was
my dad.

635
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,840
I was like, yeah, that was Joe
saying, fuck, I'm definitely not

636
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,680
getting out of here, Like, but
just that whole conversation

637
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,720
because I know a lot of people
complained about her casting

638
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,680
because they didn't feel like
she was big enough, like the

639
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,120
like the video game character.
And it was like, what's this

640
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,000
little girl going to do?
I'm sorry.

641
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,640
She was scarier in this scene
than any big person would have

642
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:17,600
been to me because she had the
she had the calmness like she

643
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,280
had, she has had five years to
Stew over this.

644
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,720
And even when she realized it
was him and she went to grab for

645
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,800
her knife and she looked at him
and he had the gun.

646
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,280
You.
Can tell she was sitting.

647
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,680
There calculating and she was
thinking OK hey we can go back

648
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,080
to the lodge that's where my
friends are because she knew

649
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,800
this is a man who took out. 19
people.

650
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,400
By himself.
Your five.

651
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,480
Your.
Little five years of militia

652
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,520
training ain't going ain't going
to do shit against that.

653
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,520
This man has been doing this for
20-30 years, you know, because

654
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,960
he was in the military before
all this stuff happened.

655
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,600
So she was smart.
She was like, yeah, you need

656
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,240
some shelter, It's cold out
here.

657
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:11,400
We're in a lodge.
And when he asked, do y'all have

658
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,920
weapons?
Yes, we have weapons.

659
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,320
We can fight.
You know, she's trying to make

660
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,920
it seem like, yeah, we're gonna
help you.

661
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,720
But she was calculating.
She was like, yeah, five of us

662
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:25,240
can take him better than just
one of me because she doesn't

663
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,880
have the sides.
On him, you.

664
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,200
Know she doesn't have she
probably doesn't have the

665
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,160
strength.
I'm not saying she's not strong,

666
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,040
but she's not.
I've been in a war and I've been

667
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,480
doing this shit for for a long
time type of you.

668
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,480
Know strength.
She was she, she played it

669
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,160
smart.
She played it smart.

670
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,240
She damaged him so he couldn't
do anything.

671
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:51,800
And.
Then she she.

672
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,440
Said her piece and I really
think she was trying to get a

673
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,440
rise out of him but like you
said, he realized he was going

674
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,120
to die.
Why is he going to give her the

675
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,480
satisfaction you?
Know I think if.

676
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,200
If there had been a little
compassion in there instead of

677
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,840
the cruelty, I think he would
have been like, you know what,

678
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,680
I'm sorry, I, I, I had to go
save my kid.

679
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,680
I think you would have said
something that kind of, you

680
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,640
know.
Diffused a.

681
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,480
Little bit of the situation, but
at this point, the way she's

682
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,560
being cruel, she's like, yeah.
I'm not giving her nothing.

683
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,280
Her.
Pen was pulled.

684
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,280
She was going to explode.
You couldn't put that pen back

685
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,640
in that grenade, and he knew
that.

686
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,720
Why?
Why say?

687
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,200
Anything why I try to defend
myself, why I try to justify.

688
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,680
She has already made-up her
mind.

689
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,560
And like I said, he's probably
seen that look 1000 times.

690
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:55,000
You know, he's he, he knows
about her size because of that.

691
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,520
She's like 5-2.
She's little and yeah, I do hear

692
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,000
about the things because in the
game her character is very

693
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,640
strong and and sort of a big
person.

694
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:12,160
And with if, I think what they
kind of did was since you

695
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,360
couldn't play as Joel anymore,
they replaced him with her

696
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,240
because she does a lot of the
same actions that Joel does,

697
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,880
like moving things around,
beating people up.

698
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,200
As opposed to, you know, Ellie,
you have to sneak around and

699
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,480
shoot people from a distance
where the rifle would sneak up

700
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,120
on him and stab him in the neck.
He was, Abby was more like him

701
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,240
in in that style combat type
thing.

702
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:41,560
Yeah.
And that that was.

703
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,320
I think that was really for the
game designers to give you that

704
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,640
same feel that you had in the
first game when you're going

705
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,080
back and forth between Ellie and
Joel here, going back and forth

706
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,920
between Ellie and Abby.
And it was going to give you

707
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,960
that same because you don't want
them switching to another

708
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,040
character and that character
plays the same as the other

709
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,320
character.
So yeah.

710
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,400
Yeah, it was.
It was, it was.

711
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,760
Sometimes people can be the
engineers of their own demise

712
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,320
when it comes to adaptations and
they want it to be exactly like

713
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,520
the thing that they played and
it's just, it's just not it's

714
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,040
sometimes it's not possible.
And sometimes they do make the

715
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,560
decisions.
I mean, on on here we talk about

716
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,120
decisions and adaptations that
screw things up that don't make

717
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,320
any sense.
But here they made some

718
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,840
decisions that made sense.
They made some choices and

719
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:47,000
changes that kind of work.
I think you know I.

720
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,440
Because Tommy didn't need.
To be with Joel, it was better

721
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:58,040
than it was Dina, you know, and,
and you need to know more about

722
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,160
Abby because in the game, you
don't really know why she's

723
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,560
doing it.
You find out way later.

724
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:09,200
But here they kind of give you
it in the beginning, you know,

725
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:10,760
like the whole scene of the
cemetery.

726
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,720
They kind of give you something
to hold on to.

727
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,840
I I don't want to say make her
sympathetic, but to kind of give

728
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,760
you and I didn't understand why
because in the video game you

729
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,920
have no clue.
Yeah, why?

730
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,080
This doesn't give you any.
Information.

731
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,080
OK, Yeah.
So.

732
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,920
That choice makes sense.
OK, Yeah.

733
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,400
And one other thing I want to
talk.

734
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,080
About was, I can't remember if
it was one of the writers or

735
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,240
creators, but they had said that
they they thought Joel made the

736
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:42,560
right decision at the end of
season 1 or at the end of the

737
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,320
first game, but then recently
that person switched.

738
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,920
She she's about to kill him in
the background.

739
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,240
I don't want to see it again,
but the.

740
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,760
The reason I think that person
switched and was like, yeah,

741
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,640
they don't think Joe made the
right decision.

742
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,000
I don't know if there was a
right decision to be made.

743
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,520
Yeah.
And I, yeah, I think we've.

744
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,680
Said that too because and I
don't think there.

745
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,000
Was a right decision to be made
in that that that instance,

746
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,160
yeah.
They nobody had enough

747
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,120
information about anything to
make any informed consent

748
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,120
decision about anything.
So at that point you do what you

749
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,600
think is right and he did what
he thought it was right.

750
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:22,920
Yeah.
And then?

751
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,040
Also too, looking at it from the
perspective of a of a parent,

752
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,760
I'm sorry, I'm going to save my
kid.

753
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,520
The whole world can burn.
When you find out they.

754
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Don't really know what the fuck
they're doing.

755
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,840
Well, that and that.
Too.

756
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,480
But even without all of that,
I'm supposed to just let my kid

757
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,000
be killed.
So everybody, why?

758
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Why?
I just you.

759
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,040
You sound like Michelle.
When she when she talks about

760
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,320
cabin in the woods and how in
the end they made the decision

761
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,720
to let the world burn supposed
to sacrifice themselves, right

762
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,920
because.
Here, here's the thing.

763
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:11,000
So you sacrifice whatever for
the rest of the world, OK.

764
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,600
The rest of the world is.
Going to go on the way the rest

765
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,840
of the world does.
You're still going to have

766
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,840
people killing each other.
You're going to have people

767
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,720
hurting each other.
You're going to have people who

768
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:25,520
are being unkind, people who are
doing this.

769
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,720
And it's like, I let my kid die
for this.

770
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,600
Oh.
Absolutely.

771
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,400
Not Oh my God, OK, I'm, I'm,
I'm, I'm not gonna you know what

772
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,320
I just got turn this off 'cause
she just crawled over to him.

773
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:44,360
And when I say her crawling over
to him because asshole Danny

774
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,320
Ramirez then kicked her in the
stomach, I was like, why y'all

775
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,920
gotta have him be an asshole in
this show?

776
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:55,760
That's OK.
But her crawling over to him, I

777
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:05,120
think in a sense, I think that
hurt me more than seeing Abby

778
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,800
drive the the.
The.

779
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,640
The golf, you know, queue into
his new The broken Golf Club.

780
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,320
Yeah.
Because it's like, at that

781
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,080
point, you kind of want her to
put him out of his misery and

782
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,760
you already know she's about to
do it.

783
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,720
If it wasn't for her friend, she
probably would have tortured him

784
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:28,840
some more.
She would have been on him some

785
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,280
more.
And it's kind of like, OK, at

786
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,320
some at some point, you're
literally being a dead horse.

787
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,360
Just just let it go.
Go ahead and kill him that crawl

788
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,640
over to him, her having to pull
the club out of his.

789
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,080
I was like fuck.
Y'all fuck y'all and fuck y'all.

790
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,640
I don't want to say the sound.
Editing was really good in this

791
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:01,320
episode, did not need to hear.
All of that, No, When that.

792
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,520
Moment when Abby drives the Golf
Club or stinks him with the Golf

793
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:11,440
Club and the sound just drops
out and.

794
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,920
You all you get is a.
Muffle screen for Ellie because

795
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,800
that that's like her world has
ended.

796
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,000
And they have awakened the.
Cracking.

797
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,680
Can you imagine her and Tommy
coming after Abby?

798
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,720
That I'm count, I'm counting OK,
that's going to be 1 episode

799
00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,640
that person's going to be 1
episode because remember last

800
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,360
year someone died at the end of
every episode I.

801
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,600
Feel like.
That's what's going to happen to

802
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,320
this crew.
They might as well title the

803
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,680
episode with that person's name
because that's that's what's

804
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,640
going to happen.
And it's going to be sad

805
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,480
because.
The two girls wasn't male and I

806
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,840
can't remember the other girl's
name, Tati Gabriella's

807
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,080
character.
They really didn't want Amber to

808
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,040
do all of that.
They were just kind of like, OK,

809
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,960
just kill Joel and and move on.
Like, we look, we have been

810
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,400
following you around for five
years.

811
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,680
We tired.
We want to go home.

812
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,360
We don't want to be in this cold
in these mountains with this

813
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,680
storm.
We just want to go back.

814
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,800
We don't want to do all of this.
And you saw when when she was

815
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,760
beating Joel in the face, Mel
was over there crying because

816
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,480
Mel is like, you know, I know I
said we'd help you kill him, but

817
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,360
this is not what I signed up
for.

818
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,080
You had.
I wonder.

819
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,120
I'm taking bets on who goes
first.

820
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:37,600
Mel going to be first 'cause
she's the weakest, so.

821
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,640
Oh my.
God, this is it's.

822
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,960
Going to be it's it's it's going
to be good yeah I'm I'm really I

823
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,080
kind of think the.
Other girl is going to be first

824
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,120
and I.
Because she didn't really do.

825
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,000
Anything in this episode?
Well, she took she took Dina's

826
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,960
gun, she took Joe's guns and I
love Tati, Tati Gabrielle.

827
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,840
I love her in everything else
I've seen her in.

828
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,280
So I'm looking at her in this
episode and I'm like, they

829
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,920
really just wasting her like
this.

830
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,880
Like she she barely has no lines
because she was in the 100.

831
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,160
I've seen her new sexy
choreography.

832
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,440
You you probably gonna.
See it again.

833
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,280
She she is it for a reason.
You'll see it.

834
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,880
So I don't know I I.
Think if we're going to take

835
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,480
bets, yeah, you're probably
right.

836
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,440
I think it's going to be male.
Then I think it's going to be

837
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:36,880
Tati's character.
I think Danny Ramirez's

838
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,840
character because he's, you
know, he was the one that that

839
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:46,120
assaulted Ellie.
She she gonna come after him and

840
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,800
then the other dude just because
he seems to be the closest to

841
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:56,080
her to Abby and I, I don't know,
I have a feeling his death is

842
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,640
going to be slow.
And I have a feeling.

843
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:05,000
Abby's going to be forced to
watch because, again, you,

844
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:12,280
whatever you felt when your
father died, you are the she she

845
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,600
was the same age that Ellie is
now. 1919, yeah.

846
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,960
So now you're putting.
Someone else through what you

847
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,520
went through, you don't think
she's going to come back with

848
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,800
that same vengeance?
At least when he killed your

849
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,680
father, he killed him on one
shot.

850
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,920
Quick, clean put.
Him out as misery.

851
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,560
Yeah.
And at this point, Ellie

852
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,440
doesn't.
Ellie doesn't know why you

853
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,680
killed her, why you killed him.
That's the same.

854
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,040
No, I think she can.
Probably guess.

855
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,720
She can probably guess well,
especially.

856
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,720
If and.
Knowing.

857
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,520
Are two different things Abby
had on the Firefly.

858
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:58,080
Necklace and she Yeah, yeah.
And she turned around to look at

859
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,840
Ellie, like, yeah, I'm, I I want
you to see my face.

860
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,200
It's almost like a challenge.
Like, yeah, I just killed him.

861
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,960
I know you over here crying for
him and you calling out for him.

862
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,640
Yeah, I just killed him.
And I want you to see that I

863
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,040
killed him and she.
Told her I'm going to kill you.

864
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:20,720
Oh, you best believe she going.
She going to be good on that

865
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,680
promise.
You're all going to die.

866
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,280
You're all going.
To die.

867
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,840
But yeah, I, I think if Joe has
already had that conversation

868
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,720
with Ellie, then she probably
has figured that.

869
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:37,080
She probably did figure out, OK,
this is probably why.

870
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,200
But it's kind of like she'll
probably think it's been five

871
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,960
years, but then.
Again.

872
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,480
We.
Might just see how long it's.

873
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,080
Gonna take her to find them
'cause she doesn't really know

874
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,920
who they are, where they come
from.

875
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,920
Now, Dina, I do know that in the
promo for the next episode, Dina

876
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,600
is gonna be like, yeah, I got
their names and I and I know,

877
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,200
you know, she's going to be able
to recognize that symbol that

878
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,240
Mel had on her bag.
But yeah, you already told this

879
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,760
girl what's your names?
Are you introduced yourselves to

880
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,520
them before you told everyone
that the guy was Joel?

881
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,960
So yeah, of.
Course Dean is paying attention,

882
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,840
especially because she had a gun
to her head.

883
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,800
She's like, oh, let me remember
some shit.

884
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,240
But OK, we're going to get off.
This depressing topic Let's go

885
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:37,680
to the other depressing topic.
Let's talk about these clickers

886
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,000
and.
The town.

887
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,480
Because I will say, very
impressed with the way that they

888
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,120
defended themselves.
They.

889
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,480
You know.
Very medieval.

890
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,040
It is, but I mean.
You kind of have to be in this

891
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:58,560
type of environment.
But the fact that they were all,

892
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,720
for the most part, on one
accord, you know, everybody did

893
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:03,880
what they had to do.
You don't have any straight

894
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,920
children running around trying
to do stuff.

895
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,040
You know, you don't have anybody
doing anything stupid.

896
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,560
And I liked that.
I was like, all, you know, all

897
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,720
the children, all the old
people, they went to the

898
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,480
basements, they went to the
Cellars.

899
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,000
They hid like they were supposed
to everybody.

900
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,160
Yeah.
Everybody who was.

901
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,160
Supposed to be on the roof, went
to the roof.

902
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,200
They had their guns, they had
their weapons.

903
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,200
You had the people who were on
the wall, you had the people who

904
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:35,160
were loading up the barrels.
Like they had that shit packed.

905
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:41,040
And that's probably why they
stood for 20 years, because they

906
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,360
they weren't playing.
They were like, OK, look, if

907
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,880
we're going to stay safe, we
have to work together as a

908
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,560
community.
And that's what they did.

909
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:55,920
And and who came?
In clutch at the end, the dogs,

910
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:02,880
the dogs, they knew exactly what
to do I was like, OK, so the.

911
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,760
Animals don't get the animals
don't get the Cordyceps.

912
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,000
Cool.
She went in and got those dogs.

913
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,320
Those dogs were barking.
They was like, let us out, let

914
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,560
us out.
They knew exactly what to do.

915
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,080
They did.
And it's so.

916
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:21,280
Funny because one of the one of
the clickers, I don't know if

917
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:26,480
they didn't catch it in editing,
but one of the clickers, you can

918
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,720
hear him when the dog comes to
him.

919
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:33,240
He says dog real quick.
And I was like, did you say

920
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,440
that?
So somebody didn't edit that out

921
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,680
very well.
But yeah, I mean, even even the

922
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,320
dogs did what they were supposed
to do.

923
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,120
I like that.
And it's like nobody was getting

924
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,880
killed up until they busted
through.

925
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,920
But the fact that.
The fact that they.

926
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,240
Were hiding under the dead
bodies.

927
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,600
The fact that once they realized
they weren't getting through one

928
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,000
way, they just all turned tail
and went around.

929
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,400
And Joe was looking.
I mean, Tommy was looking at

930
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,600
them like the old kids.
Yeah, he was like.

931
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,240
Because all of them were at the
front gate.

932
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,640
Nobody, I don't think anybody
was on the surrounding gates

933
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,040
because.
They were all coming from I.

934
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:21,400
Mean when you look out and you
see these hundreds, maybe 1000

935
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,000
clickers, you're not thinking
about the back door.

936
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,440
You really aren't.
Because you like if they get

937
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,880
through here, it don't matter
who's at the back door.

938
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,680
Yeah.
And what happened that had the

939
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:39,720
Bloater breaking the wall down?
Anything was armor because they

940
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,880
were shooting it.
This fucking floater.

941
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,600
He was getting ready to go after
Maria because she was shooting

942
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,000
at him.
She was shooting him dead in the

943
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,120
head and he's looking at her
like, oh OK, I'm coming to get

944
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,640
you.
And that's when Tommy was like,

945
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,520
hey over here.
But I was like, where y'all

946
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,240
baby?
Because I didn't see him in the

947
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,320
he was in the basement.
He was in somebody's basement,

948
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,360
but yeah, I was.
I was very impressed with the

949
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,560
way that town handled it, and as
you can see, the town is still

950
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,160
standing at the end.
There's a lot of dead clickers

951
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,640
in the street, a lot of dead
people as well, but for the most

952
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,440
part most of their town is still
intact.

953
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,120
I think there were maybe a
couple of buildings that were on

954
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,440
fire, probably from the
flamethrowers.

955
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,440
Could have been from the two
flamethrowers that retreated.

956
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,160
And if so, I hope y'all dead
coward one.

957
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,840
Of them was Seth, 'cause I don't
think it's Seth around, did he?

958
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,080
But anyway, yeah.
And then then walking around

959
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,800
shooting people in the airway
gotten bitten that they had to

960
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,280
be hard to.
Yeah.

961
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,280
But you know, Joel set the
standard to kill Eugene.

962
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,280
Yeah.
And we don't.

963
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,440
Even know how bad Eugene got?
Because from the way.

964
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,560
They were from the way his wife
talks when they're like, when

965
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,360
she said it's not that you had
to do it.

966
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,040
I understand you had to do it.
It's how you did it.

967
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,880
I was like, oh, did he have to
get like ultraviolent in order

968
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,680
to put him down?
He could have shot him.

969
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,920
Right after he got bitten 'cause
sometimes it it can take up to

970
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,000
24 hours and sometimes it's
quick.

971
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,200
Yeah, but who's who's?
Take that chance like Joel is

972
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,120
not.
Exactly.

973
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,560
Exactly how fast?
It was a test.

974
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:37,160
How fast she changed, Yeah.
And, and he at at, I think at

975
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,560
that point he was even going to
try to be like, well, maybe.

976
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,600
And Tess was like, if you don't
get the fuck out of here, she

977
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,200
was like, I already feel what
it's doing to me.

978
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,480
Yeah.
Joe was like, we're not going to

979
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,120
do this again.
No.

980
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:59,200
No, but.
I.

981
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:07,520
Let me tell you this.
Episode from start to finish, I

982
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:08,960
was sitting on the edge of the
couch.

983
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,360
I was like, I was sitting there
with my hands like this at one

984
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,960
point.
Then like I said, I had to pause

985
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,320
at one point 'cause I was like,
I can't that's too many clickers

986
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,040
like it.
The I got goosebumps now just

987
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,640
talking about them because once,
especially when you do like the

988
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:29,720
the sky shot, when you're doing
a drone shot and you see all of

989
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:34,040
them kind of running like ants,
it just feels like something is

990
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,120
crawling on your skin.
I was like, no, I can't do it.

991
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,240
I can't.
I was like, OK, it's going to

992
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,440
take.
Me, two hours to watch this

993
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,360
episode and like I said, I went
to go see Sinners the night

994
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,520
before, so I've already I got
vampires in my mind on one end,

995
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,320
then I got clickers on my mind
and the other end I was like,

996
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,480
you know it.
There's a reason why I stay

997
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,120
away.
From far as much as I do.

998
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,040
For as much as I did.
But it's like, no, OK, come on

999
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,040
now.
You, we, we are not going to

1000
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,680
have this conversation again.
I'm just saying I don't.

1001
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,000
I don't watch horror as much as
I used.

1002
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,320
To and I remember why.
Because now I'm going to, I'm

1003
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,040
going to, I'm going to sit here
and think like I, I did.

1004
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,640
I didn't sleep last night.
Not because of this, just

1005
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,960
because I suffer from insomnia.
So I literally got about 15

1006
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,000
minutes of sleep last night.
But every time I closed my eyes

1007
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,280
last night, I was either
replaying the movie or I was

1008
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,440
replaying the show and I was
like, you know what?

1009
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,920
This is not good for my health,
right?

1010
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:39,520
Can I?
Listen to something.

1011
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,600
That's gonna say no.
It just, it was still there

1012
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,960
playing and I was just like his
prosthetic makeup was so good

1013
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:51,720
because I was like, did y'all
really hurt my baby's face?

1014
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,760
And Abby would say, yeah, you
are kind of handsome or you are

1015
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,720
handsome and I.
Feel like that's why she.

1016
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,200
Hit him in the face so much too.
She was like, yeah, you good

1017
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,480
looking guy.
Let me just let me fuck your

1018
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,480
face up so nobody can recognize
you once you die.

1019
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:22,360
I when when Ellie gets to her.
I'm just, I'm waiting for it.

1020
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,440
But I, I want it, I hate, I hate
to say it, I want it to be just

1021
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,880
as slow as it was when she
killed Joe.

1022
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,400
Because and and and the same
with the friends too, because

1023
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,120
the friends could have put him
out as misery.

1024
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,480
They could have, I think if they
had tried, they could have

1025
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,320
handled Abby.
They could have been like, OK,

1026
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,400
you know what?
You've done enough.

1027
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,280
If you're not going to kill
them, just leave it alone.

1028
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,920
Nah, you stay out of it.
Let her get it out of her

1029
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,760
system.
Because then you.

1030
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,280
Got to be around here.
You got to hear her.

1031
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:58,720
You got to hear her talk about
it.

1032
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,200
I know you didn't.
Let me do this you.

1033
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,880
Didn't let me do that.
If you had just let me do this,

1034
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,880
that's not complete.
But I didn't get mine says Nah.

1035
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:12,560
Let let her just just go.
Just leave her alone and just be

1036
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,920
like OK.
You may want to try to wrap this

1037
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,040
up pretty soon, 'cause we don't
want to have the whole town on

1038
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,240
top of us, right, 'cause I'm
like, OK.

1039
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,320
So you came across these two?
We just had this one other.

1040
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:24,960
They're gonna come looking for
their patrols.

1041
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,960
They're gonna come looking for
their patrols, right?

1042
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,360
Well, I guess they.
Find, I guess they actually

1043
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,120
looked at what was going on that
town.

1044
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,440
They were like, no, I think
they're a little busy right now.

1045
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,640
Right now, yeah.
But at.

1046
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,080
Some point.
You you might need to, you know,

1047
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,560
those clickers could turn around
and come back up the mountain.

1048
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:43,840
But see, that's the thing.
The other.

1049
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,920
Friends didn't even know about
the clickers, Abby.

1050
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,040
She did.
Yeah, she did.

1051
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,720
That's.
Right, so I.

1052
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:56,400
Was just like I said, I don't
think he's, I don't think he's

1053
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,600
gone completely because I do
believe they're going to show us

1054
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,920
some flashbacks on some stuff,
but.

1055
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,560
The fact that he is.
Dead and Ellie had to watch

1056
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:16,200
that's just I swear HBO be doing
some shit.

1057
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,320
I don't even I.
I don't even know if there's

1058
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,080
anything else to say.
There isn't.

1059
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,400
They're looking forward to this
season.

1060
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,320
I mean yeah, 'cause if y'all
like this.

1061
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,320
Coming out the gate, Yeah, like
I said.

1062
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:42,080
This is episode. 2 They have
what, 8 episodes in this season,

1063
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:47,680
yeah.
But the fact that Ellie said you

1064
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,680
all going to die, I'm sure
Tommy's going to get a couple of

1065
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,840
them and they're going to die
some brutal deaths because.

1066
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,360
They're going to be 1.
Information about Abby and Dana,

1067
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,560
Dana will.
Probably join in.

1068
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,040
Oh, she'll be on.
She'll be in.

1069
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,600
Lonely too, because she was
there.

1070
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,960
They knocked her out.
Jesse was crying on his horse

1071
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,880
when they were he might be
there.

1072
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,480
Too.
He might be there too.

1073
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,240
He.
Might be like, OK, you know what

1074
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,000
and Maria's going to be like.
Y'all can't do this, we gotta

1075
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,600
let it go.
And they're going to look at her

1076
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:25,920
like, especially you're like,
excuse me?

1077
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,360
Come here for a second, let me
show you my brother's face and

1078
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,960
what this bitch did to him,
Tommy and.

1079
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,840
Ellie are going to go no matter
what anybody says, and nobody

1080
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,760
better get in their way.
Absolutely.

1081
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,880
Absolutely nobody Tommy is.
Like.

1082
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,200
This is my Big Brother.
My Big Brother.

1083
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:47,960
But you know what though?
They.

1084
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,080
May make a change.
I mean, they mean that because

1085
01:03:51,560 --> 01:04:00,200
he does have a kid and and I can
really see.

1086
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,200
I can really see Joel telling.
Him stay with your kid.

1087
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,760
Now he would tell Ellie.
You do what you got to do.

1088
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:12,560
He's.
Like.

1089
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,400
He would tell Tommy you got to
say what you keep.

1090
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,040
Do you think Tommy?
Does not know what Joel did to

1091
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,000
save Ellie.
He told him right.

1092
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,520
I'm I'm.
Sure he did.

1093
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,600
No, we haven't seen him tell
him, but I'm sure.

1094
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,240
I'm sure he told his brother.
So, yeah, and that.

1095
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,920
That's probably one of the
reasons why Tommy was like, we

1096
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,480
don't talk about that.
We don't.

1097
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,040
Talk about the fact.
That you have a kid.

1098
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:41,720
We don't talk about that.
No, because there are, there

1099
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,760
are.
Enough people in that town who

1100
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,040
remember when Joel and Ellie
came through the first time and

1101
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,360
that, oh, well, we, we have to
leave.

1102
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,840
We got to go do some.
Somebody going to start asking

1103
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:57,440
questions and no.
So I think Tommy knows.

1104
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,360
So if that's the case, Tommy
will probably also figure it

1105
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,640
out.
And Tommy would have in that

1106
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,440
mindset, like my brother
wouldn't tell me to stay, stay

1107
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:13,920
behind and you know, whatever.
Cuz yeah, no you don't.

1108
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,760
I mean, I feel.
Like he probably would, but he

1109
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,720
would understand that Tommy's
gonna be like, no, this bitch

1110
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,400
killed my brother.
It's on.

1111
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:33,080
It is on.
They got her name, they got.

1112
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,520
All of their names.
They have enough.

1113
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,760
Information so they can try and
figure out what that patch is

1114
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:46,920
cause chances are Tommy before
he joined Jackson Hole, before

1115
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,720
he joined that community, he was
a Firefly.

1116
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,000
He was a.
Firefly.

1117
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,880
He's going to know what that is.
He's.

1118
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,080
Going to know, OK.
This might be a connection, and

1119
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,480
I know Abby said that all of the
fireflies are gone.

1120
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,360
But y'all got some.
Firefly adjacent people.

1121
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,560
Because other than that, how
would you know about this

1122
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,600
militia camp in Seattle?
They were probably training some

1123
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,840
of the fireflies.
So yeah.

1124
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:23,160
I'm just, I mean, at this point,
there's really not much else

1125
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:29,280
that you can do that will shock
me because killing anybody else

1126
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,600
other than Ellie or Tommy, it's
just going to be like, OK, if

1127
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,280
they kill that little boy, I
might have an issue.

1128
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,360
But anybody else is just kind of
like.

1129
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:41,520
OK.
Are they?

1130
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,480
Are they?
Dying to go get revenge for Joe?

1131
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,560
No.
OK, well, you know what?

1132
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,520
Rest in peace.
Keep going.

1133
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,040
I think the.
Only thing they have only thing

1134
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,440
the only thing that show people
have in their bag is.

1135
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,520
Is the.
Brutality, escalating brutality

1136
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:09,400
of the murders of the people,
that's, that's all they got in

1137
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,760
their bag and I see it.
Happening.

1138
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,880
This is going to be.
Escalating.

1139
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,960
Because Ellie is going to make
sure Ellie is I.

1140
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:23,920
I really, really feel like
because already Ellie is, she's

1141
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,000
not.
I don't want to say she's not.

1142
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:32,120
Normal, but you already see what
type of personality personality

1143
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,920
she has.
She's quick at the mouth, she's

1144
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:40,840
quick tempered.
You know, we saw her basically

1145
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:46,000
doing Private Fight Club.
You see her in the promo for the

1146
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,040
next episode boxing with a lot
of anger.

1147
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,920
It's just going to escalate.
Abby does not know what she

1148
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,040
unleashed.
No, she.

1149
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:00,320
She's always the cracking.
I don't even know if that's

1150
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,080
strong.
Enough a term she I just yeah

1151
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:07,280
yeah, because what's going to.
Happen, I think is the closer

1152
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,960
she gets to Abby, the more
likely the person's going to

1153
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:15,240
hold on to information and the
more at Ellie's going to have to

1154
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,760
do to get that information.
And if you don't give her the

1155
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:24,600
information, I don't know.
Something tells me Mel would

1156
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,240
crack.
Oh, that's what she gonna be

1157
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:28,960
The.
First, she gonna be the first

1158
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,439
one to crack and the first one
to die.

1159
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,800
Yeah, this is going to be an
interesting season.

1160
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,120
I want, I want, I want to see
how creative they're going to

1161
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:41,920
be.
Hunter's sleeping.

1162
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:46,640
Has begun.
I'm just saying.

1163
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,640
And, and we saw in the first
episode Tommy has been teaching

1164
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,000
her to shoot and.
She's a pretty decent.

1165
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:59,439
Damn good shot she is, She is.
It's a it, it reminds me of John

1166
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,240
Wick.
It's going to be, it's going to

1167
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:07,319
be like John Wick.
That could be bloody because.

1168
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:09,359
That she killed a lot more than
her dogs.

1169
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,640
So yeah, it's going to be.
It's going to be terrible for

1170
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:13,720
them.
I really feel bad.

1171
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,640
Well, I don't feel bad for them,
but it is unfortunate for them.

1172
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,399
And yeah, I was going to.
Say like I.

1173
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,600
Abby is the one that put them in
that position.

1174
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,359
Yeah, they didn't.
Try hard enough to deter her off

1175
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,520
this path.
And you know what?

1176
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,240
And.
I'm going to say I can

1177
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,520
understand them not doing that
because that was her father.

1178
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:42,479
I mean, think about a year in a
post apocalyptic world with

1179
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,399
these monsters that go around
killing people.

1180
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,960
It's probably already rare that
people who that people are still

1181
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,479
together from their original
families before they before this

1182
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:58,880
whole thing started, so that I.
Totally understand it, but I'm

1183
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,640
talking about self preservation.
Oh, I know, I know.

1184
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,640
I'm just.
I'm just.

1185
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,000
You know I.
Know, I'm just saying at.

1186
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,640
Least two or three of them.
Be like, you know what, dawg?

1187
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,120
I'm going to Seattle.
I mean, she went to.

1188
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,120
Seattle.
They were there.

1189
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,640
For five years, she was getting
her training because she knew

1190
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,000
that at the time, as a 19 year
old, she was not going to be

1191
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,640
able to do what she needed to do
for Joe.

1192
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,280
That's why the other dude was
trying to tell her, look, the

1193
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,440
militia may have resources.
Yeah, they trained her when we

1194
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:31,560
woke up.
That morning and we saw that it

1195
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,240
was a whole goddamn city of
people.

1196
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,560
Nah, we we good, we going back.
Well, see, that's the thing.

1197
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,400
They were going to try to talk
her back, but Abby kind of went

1198
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,360
on her own when she saw the
patrol.

1199
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,720
I think if she had gone back
like she was actually planning

1200
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,760
to do, because she was like,
it's too cold, fuck this, I'm

1201
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,760
going back.
And she just happened to hear

1202
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,120
the horses.
And I was like, damn it, that

1203
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,000
mountain range in the Echoing
Hills, if that's one of those.

1204
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,440
Feasts point in time they can
change.

1205
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:06,440
It was inevitable, yeah.
I just thought it was going to

1206
01:11:06,440 --> 01:11:09,480
be inevitable, like in Episode 5
or 6.

1207
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,360
I didn't think we were going to
get it in too.

1208
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,680
I was not prepared.
And when Ellie is.

1209
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,880
Standing over Abby's body,
looking down at her, I am

1210
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:29,400
inevitable.
I can't believe she.

1211
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,240
Killed but.
You know what I will say?

1212
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:36,560
This I am glad they didn't
deviate from that because I

1213
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,200
think it would have had less
impact on the story if it had

1214
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:43,400
been someone else or if they had
changed it to where, you know,

1215
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,320
it's just kind of like a cat and
mouse game and Joel doesn't die.

1216
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,320
Granted, I don't like to see
that that he died.

1217
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,240
I I don't I didn't like it when
Glenn died on The Walking Dead

1218
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,120
or any of those people died on
The Walking Dead.

1219
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:00,200
But it's kind of like sometimes
in this type of environment.

1220
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:03,280
You, you got to have the
emotional.

1221
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,160
Death and the only way that it
was going to be emotional, it

1222
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:10,080
has to be either Joel, Tommy or
Ellie.

1223
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:15,240
And I don't know anything about
Tommy or Ellie's their fates in

1224
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,400
the video games.
And I don't want to know.

1225
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,520
I didn't want to know about
Joel, but it was out so much

1226
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,840
like when this show was
announced, there were so many

1227
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,280
people who were talking about
what happened in the video game,

1228
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,760
what happened in the video game.
Even on my Facebook, I was just

1229
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:36,080
kind of like very vague booking,
which if you don't know the

1230
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,640
history of the show, if you
don't know the spoilers, it

1231
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,080
wouldn't have, it wouldn't have
triggered you.

1232
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,040
You wouldn't have known what I
was talking about.

1233
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,120
But there were people who were
like, yeah, I can't believe she

1234
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,720
did that.
They did that in the in the, you

1235
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,160
know, in the game and blah,
blah, blah.

1236
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:56,400
And I was like.
It hasn't even been 24.

1237
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,280
Hours and people are spoiling,
but I mean, that's just kind of

1238
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,080
the way it is now.
If you don't watch it at the

1239
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,760
first run, you run the risk of
being spoiled.

1240
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:14,160
So yeah.
Or Joe or Ellie or Abby, 'cause

1241
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:18,160
she bout to get it.
She bout to get it, yeah.

1242
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:24,520
She has at least the crack.
I don't.

1243
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,960
I don't even know if.
There's anything left to say

1244
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,600
about this episode?
I don't have anything else to

1245
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,160
say.
Do you?

1246
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,840
No, I don't.
So I don't.

1247
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,320
Shout.
Out to the actress Glenn Abbey,

1248
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,960
because she's really good.
Haley Deaver, Yeah.

1249
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:43,160
Yeah, her, Her.
The way she evotes and the

1250
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,760
talking and and her pacing is
excellent.

1251
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,880
She's a really, really good
actress.

1252
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:51,840
So I think a lot of people are
going to forgive them for not

1253
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:57,160
having cast a bigger girl, a
bigger woman, and haven't gone

1254
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,000
with her because she's she's
really, really good in this

1255
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,080
world.
Yeah.

1256
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,720
She.
Is so a little too good if you

1257
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:10,200
ask me.
But yeah, I don't have anything

1258
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,640
else to say.
Joel is dead and I'm depressed.

1259
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,320
So on that note, that is it for
our show.

1260
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:20,240
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1261
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:23,200
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1262
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,960
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1263
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,280
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1264
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,520
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1265
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,680
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1266
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,560
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