The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 3 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #353

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and we are
discussing episode 3, Season 2

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of The Last of Us.
I wasn't white.

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Recovered from last week.
Did.

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You skip the recap.
I skipped the recap.

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No I didn't.
No I didn't.

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I watched it, but The funny
thing is after the recap, of

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course you know the the opening
credits play.

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And this time I had thought I
was like OK, I'm going to skip

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the opening credits and I was
like no, I'm just going to let

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them play.
So I'm just on my phone, just

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whatever.
While it's playing in the

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background, you know in the
background it has a little thing

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with the Cordyceps kind of going
through.

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Then it ends up at the end with
the 2 little figures of Joel and

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Ellie.
I happened to look up right at

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the end and noticed it was only
Ellie.

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It was only like.
I said y'all just going to start

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us out this way huh?
Just hit me in the gut.

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OK.
Then we get the opening scene

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with not only the burning bodies
of all the the clickers, but you

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have someone from the town who
is cleaning Joel's body.

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And we know it's him.
He's he's covered up.

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But you see the watch, the
damaged watch that Sarah gave.

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And when Tommy walks in the
room, he just kind of looks, she

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gets up and she she passes the,
the sponge off to him.

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And then he just kind of looks
at his brother.

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He takes the the thing off his
face and just stares at him.

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And I was just like, I don't
know if I'm, I, I thought they

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were going to show it to us.
I really did.

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So I was preparing myself for
that.

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And they didn't show it to us,
but they did show us Tommy's

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face.
And it's almost like, it's

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almost like Tommy looked at him
and realized whatever, whoever

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this was that did whatever to
him, this was personal.

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You know, it wasn't just
somebody randomly come in and

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OK, oh, I found this random
person I'm going to kill.

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No, it was very personal.
You could tell.

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Like I said last week, you could
tell by the damage she inflicted

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on his face.
You know, it was personal.

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He sits down.
He starts, you know, cleaning

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his arm.
He sees the watch.

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And the only thing he says in
the whole thing is give my love

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to Sarah.
I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna

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kill us this episode.
I was really expecting, like, a

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lot of a lot of heartbreak.
And I don't know, I kind of feel

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like because they did a three
month time jump, I feel like I

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didn't really get what I needed
to get out of this episode.

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You know what I'm saying?
I feel like I needed, I needed

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more time to mourn.
I needed, I don't know, I'm one

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of those people's like, I don't
know, I I needed to see more of

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Tommy and Ellie, like actually
going through the whole mourning

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period.
I mean, we got a little bit of

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that, but I just, I don't know,
I just.

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How how many episodes do they
have this season?

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8.
Yeah, they, they don't have

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time.
They got time for your tears.

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Yeah.
Move on, you guys, move on.

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But it just, I don't know, it
just feels so.

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I mean, what you want three
months of them just walking

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around moping?
And being sad.

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No, I.
Didn't know how much time is

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Joel and Oh my God nobody wants
that this is bad I just.

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Feel like, I don't know, I just
felt like there was a little bit

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more that we could have had.
I mean, Joel was the main

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character aside from Ellie.
You know, we followed this

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character for overseas and all,
you know, a season and a couple

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of episodes.
I just felt like his death was

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just kind of swept to the side a
little bit, you know what I'm

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saying?
Like we didn't get a chance to

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mourn him the way we need to
mourn him.

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They could have added a extra
5-10 minutes.

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I.
Feel I feel differently.

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I feel like his death is almost
like central now.

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It's it's like looming over
every scene.

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I do feel, I do feel that part,
but I I, I think I need.

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You, you don't have the, the,
the grief, you haven't felt that

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grief.
It's going to be interesting

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when we do the do the panel to
see how 1 feels about this.

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And I may change my mind once it
gets further into the season

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because I mean, just kind of how
fast they're going.

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Like in this episode, Ellie is
already in Seattle.

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So I feel like it's going to
move fast and they'll probably

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kind of flashback to that three
month period and kind of give us

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something else.
And plus, like I said, I know

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that we're not done seeing Joe
for this season because we're

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going to get some flashbacks of
the conversations he had with

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Ellie, but it's still I just.
Yeah, I feel like we're going to

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get, we're going to get
flashbacks of the five years,

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not just we, we probably only
need 3 month flashbacks, but I

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think the five year time jump,
we're going to get a lot of

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flashbacks.
Yeah, I just, I don't know.

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I just felt like I need it.
I, I don't know, I, I, I feel

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like I don't have enough
closure.

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Like we saw his grave.
We heard Tommy and Ellie talk

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about him.
We saw Ellie go through the

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house and, you know, it's kind
of breakdown, those walls.

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But I just, I don't know.
For me, it wasn't enough, you

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know, and maybe that's just
because I'm, you know, I live in

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a world where we actually have
like wakes and funerals.

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And I know that they said they
had funerals during that time

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because Ellie was in the
hospital for three months.

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But I just, I guess I felt like
I needed to be a part of it.

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And now I feel, I kind of feel
like something's missing.

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It's like you've been left out
of the grieving process.

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Yes, yes, that.
And not only that, that's adding

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to my rage because I'm really
like, I really want you to find

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this bitch and kill her.
But I know there's some other

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things that have to happen in
between that.

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But yeah, I just, like you said,
I feel like I've been left out

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of the grieving process.
Like you went from, you went

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from us seeing Joe's body to
seeing Ellie in the hospital,

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waking up with the vision of him
being, you know, killed.

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And then it's three months later
and, you know, the town has

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started to move on there.
You know, some people are

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smiling and laughing and stuff.
And it's like, you really don't

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think about that in the course
of watching fiction.

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Or at least I don't.
I'm always like, oh, they should

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still be sad.
But then when I think about it

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in real life, we have to move on
when death happens.

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It's just so odd because like I
said, I feel like it just, there

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was a little piece of it missing
for me.

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But that's just me.
I just.

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I know.
I'm good.

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I was fine.
We can move on.

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I don't need it.
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I, I, I think part of the issue
is I'm still not, I'm still

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processing the fact that this
happened so early in the season,

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you know, like I was expecting
at at least midway maybe, but it

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happened so quick and it's like
now we have to watch the show

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without him.
And I'm just, it's going to be

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interesting to see what that's
like because the dynamic with

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him and Ellie for me, kind of,
you know, it, it, it made the

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show.
It is what it was.

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It was the.
Engine of the show.

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Yeah, so now we have to see her
and how she reacts with other

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people and how she's going to
deal with her grief.

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And I I kind of love seeing her
coming out, you know, getting

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ready to leave the hospital when
she's having the conversation

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with the doctor and with what's
her name, Is it Grace the the

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doctor?
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And it's interesting because she
is, she's being a smart ass, but

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she's trying not to be a smart
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But it's almost like she's being
the smart ass trying not to be

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the smart ass.
You know, it's kind of like

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she's, she knows she needs to
say certain things in order for

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them to kind of leave her alone.
But she's saying it so

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sarcastically and it's so
obvious that she's just like,

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well y'all just fuck off and let
me go.

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And I was just like, it seems, I
don't know, I just, it's so

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weird seeing her have that vibe
with other people when Joel is

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not there in the picture.
And I think that was kind of

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what threw me off in the first
episode, too, because you really

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didn't see them interact with
each other.

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And you hear her talk about kind
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their relationship in this
episode because Grace asked her.

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She was like, so the last time,
you know, that fight during the

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New Year's Eve party was at the
last time you spoke to him.

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And she was like, yeah.
And she's like, OK, well, do you

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regret it with duh?
That's how I felt like Ellie

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wanted to ask, like, with duh,
of course.

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But I do like the line that she
said.

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Your last moment with someone
doesn't define your whole

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relationship.
Right.

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And I love that she said that,
but it's all it's it's also

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still like, you know, that's
eating her, you know, that's

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eating at her.
But I don't know, OK, I'm going

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to get off my soapbox.
I'm just, like I said, I I, I

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felt like I needed to be a part
of that grieving process and I

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don't feel like I got what I
needed.

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The writers said no, we're
moving on.

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And you know what, the writers
will probably stick that in one

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of the other episodes later and
it's going to hit hard then.

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I I just have a feeling it's
kind of going to be like that.

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Like, I don't know, maybe when
she finally gets to Abby.

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Like I said, I don't know what
happens in the game, so I don't

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know how that conflict is
resolved.

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I don't know if she actually
kills Abby.

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I don't know if Abby kills her.
I don't know what that what that

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resolution is, but I don't know.
I just have a feeling it's about

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to be a painful one to watch and
also trying to watch her get to

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it.
I think it's going to be a

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little, yeah.
But anyway, OK, let's move on to

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some more interesting stuff.
How did you feel about all the

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all The Walking acid?
But before we get to The

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Walking, I just wanted to point
out what what is What's Spider

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Man's name?
What's that boy's name?

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Tom Holland.
No, no, no, no.

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Although I call him Spider man
but the the best friend that was

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helping her with the punching
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Jesse.
Jesse when I think they were

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trying to prove a point to us
with Tommy, because Tommy was

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trying to drive the post.
He couldn't quite muster up the

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strength.
I mean, if this comes over, he

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just.
His nice muscly arms and.

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Yeah, yeah.
So I'm like, yeah, y'all are

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y'all are y'all living still
there?

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Tommy's not going on this trip.
Yeah, it's not like, not like in

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the game.
It's going to be completely

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different.
Yeah, but I don't know, I I kind

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of wonder if Tommy is going to
end up heading to Seattle just

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because of the fact that Ellie
left.

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I don't think so.
You don't think so?

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I think they're trying to give a
subtle hints that he he's he

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might be past his prime.
Of course I want to believe that

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though, because.
I don't either.

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I don't either, but.
Because I hear he's quite a

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beast in this game.
He's a monster.

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Yeah, and I kind of there's.
One part.

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There's one part of the game
this is not really, it's not

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really a sport, but there's one
part of the game where when

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you're playing is heavy and
someone is like sniping at you

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and almost killing you and you
realize it's Tommy.

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Yeah, I literally had this
conversation earlier today when

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I was at work.
Carlos, our friend who is also a

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gamer and who was on our gaming
episode at the end of Season 1,

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he came up to me at the desk.
And he was like, so how are you

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doing?
And it took me a minute to

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realize what he was asking me.
And I was like, I'm still not

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there yet.
And so we got to talking about a

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little bit about the game.
And, you know, he was telling me

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about changing the point of
views from who you're fighting

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with in the game.
And he was like, yeah, He was

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like, the good thing about this
show is they're giving us a

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little bit more background on
Abby because in the game, we

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didn't know anything about her.
We just knew we were pissed off.

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Like there was just anger,
anger, anger.

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She kills him and we're like,
what the fuck?

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And then to add insult to
injury, you make me play as her

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in part of the game.
So we were having that

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conversation and he was telling
me he was like, yeah, he said I

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do like the fact that they gave
Tommy his hero moment in the

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town.
He said cuz the town did not

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happen in the game.
Yeah, we talked about that.

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Yeah, I talked to him about that
today too, that Tommy did get

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the hero moment.
Yeah, but he was like, but in

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the game, Tommy was a beast.
I said yeah, I'm.

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I'm kind of hoping that will
still happen at some point in

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this show because I need to see
it.

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I need to see the Tommy that
Joel and Tess were talking about

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way back when.
You know, yeah, 'cause it's like

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when, when, when Ellie and Dana
get to Seattle, there's body

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bags everywhere.
WLF body bags everywhere.

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That was Tommy.
Oh, OK.

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One man army.
But you know what?

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I'm just, I'm just going to I'm
just going to cross my fingers

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and hope we still get to see
some version of that in this

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show.
Because it's it's almost like I

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kind of feel the way Ellie felt
when she when she finally learns

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the truth from Dana about the
wolves.

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And you know, she gets names,
she knows where they are and

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when, when they take it to Tommy
and Tommy was like, hold up.

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I got to think.
And she's like, what the fuck is

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there to think about?
Let's go kill these, you know?

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In the game he is, he's guilty
about what happened.

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Right.
And it's also it turns into rage

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and I don't see this time me as
being enraged.

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He's not anywhere near that
level yet.

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And you know what?
I don't think he's going to get

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that.
I think they've, I think they've

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decided to write this
differently.

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OK, But I do see that point of
view also because I I'm starting

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to think, well, one of the
things we do kind of realize in

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this episode when Grace is
talking to Ellie, is her Grace

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or am I thinking about sinners?
I think it is Grace.

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OK.
But the one thing that we do

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find out kind of sort is like,
kind of confirmed in this

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episode when Ellie is in the
hospital and she's a GAIL,

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that's her name.
And when she's talking to GAIL,

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GAIL brings up the last time she
spoke to Joel.

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And she was like, you know, the
last time I spoke to Joel, he

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said he had wronged you.
And you could tell from Ellie's

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face that she knew what was
coming.

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She knew what she knew what Joel
had wronged her about.

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But she didn't know if GAIL
knows the man.

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She was like wrongs me.
What do you mean?

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She said, yeah, he wronged you.
But then he said something that

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was in complete opposite of
that.

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He said I saved her and Ellie
was like, well, he saved me lots

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of times.
But you could just tell from the

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the kind of.
Her whole demeanor changed.

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Her whole demeanor changed, and
that's one thing I want to say

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about Bella Ramsey in this
episode.

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She spoke volumes with just her
face and they were so subtle.

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In that scene, she had three
different shifts.

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Yes.
And then when she was walking

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out the hospital, every time she
passed a a part where her face

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was shadowed, you could see her
face just suddenly shift.

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But it was so noticeable.
And she was so good at doing

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that because, you know, with
Ellie, she tries to keep up a

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mass and she tries to keep
people at arm's length.

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But Oh my God, her face even the
switest the the switest even the

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slightest twinge the whitest.
I know I was saying switest, but

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even the slightest change, it
was so noticeable and I was just

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like, wow, she is like she is
really acting her butt off

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without having to do a whole
lot.

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You know, everything about her
in this episode for the most

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part was body language.
You can see it in her face.

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You can see it in the slump of
her shoulders, just the way that

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she was walking and it was
almost like she was just devoid

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of feeling like she there was no
movement to her walking.

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There was no rhythm to her
walking.

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She was just kind of she was
walking like a zombie, you know,

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and then everything echoes on
her face.

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Her face was so blank up until
she saw, you know, the wood

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carvings and then she saw the
box with the watch.

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The watch kind of got her.
And then when she saw the

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closet, she just couldn't hide
it anymore because there were

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his clothes right there.
But she was so good in this

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episode.
But I I kind of feel like Ellie.

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I'm like, what do you mean?
You got to think about it.

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We have to have these rules and
stuff.

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And I kind of, I kind of
understand Ellie because I think

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for her as well, she didn't
really have a grieving period.

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Like she was in the hospital for
three months, which didn't they

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just like kick her.
I was trying to figure out why

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she was in the hospital for
three months.

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He.
Kicked her pretty hard in the

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rib.
Probably cracked the rib.

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OK, OK.
But she was in the hospital

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recovering for three months, so
she also didn't get to go to a

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funeral.
When she comes out the hospital,

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you know, pretty much life has
gone back to the way it was.

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You know, they're trying to
rebuild the town.

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They're trying to reinforce the
walls and all this other stuff.

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So I, I felt her anger because
I, like I said, I, I feel like

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her, I didn't get a chance to
grieve.

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And now we have a chance to go
and try to make this, well, not

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necessarily make it right, but
we get to go, you know, get

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justice or seek revenge.
Because I, I heard what you were

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saying, Ellie, about this is not
revenge.

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This is about just, no, this is
about revenge.

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This is about revenge that girl
gave him coldly.

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Seth made a good point though.
He did.

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He's like, if you if first of
all, if you don't think that at

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some point they're going to come
for us because they think we're

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weak and we have resources.
I mean, you, you pretty much

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inviting this back to you.
But at the same time, I would

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have said, well, in that case,
just prepare because if you go

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there and do this, then they're
going, you're going to start a

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war.
Yeah.

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I mean, and you don't know what
they got, just like they don't

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know what you got.
Right.

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And you're going to start a war
and you don't know what you're

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going to be going up against.
Right, because at least in at

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least right now, from just from
what we can tell, from what

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we've seen, it's possible they
would never come back to Jackson

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Hole because as far as Abby and
her friends, nor at least even

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just Abby, it's gone.
I mean, she saw the clickers.

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She saw how many clickers there
were.

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And they knew that that was what
Joel was worried about when they

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brought him to the lodge or when
she brought him to the lodge.

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He was trying to get back to the
town.

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So in her mind, that's how it
could be gone right now because

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of all the clickers and she's
it.

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Could be, it could not be.
They have power and you know

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that that is something you'd be
interested in.

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Oh, well, yeah, trying to figure
out figure out how they did

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that.
But still, it's kind of like.

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And if you have a large enough
force, OK, first of all, if

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they're in Seattle, settling in
small towns, it's not a small

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city.
So they had to clear that place

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out where they're really good at
dealing with a large number of

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clickers.
So they want to send a large

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enough force to clear the town
out to get whatever resources is

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left based on the clickers.
You know what I'm saying?

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But that's.
A long way.

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Are you sure?
Because they didn't make it seem

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like it's a long way.
They rode horseback and they

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basically got their IF.
OK, You asked about how I felt

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about them walking in the
wilderness.

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This was fine because we were
spared an entire episode of them

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just camping and walking and
camping and poor shimmer.

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You know what I mean?
Poor, poor shimmer.

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And I know Bill and Rams is
probably like 85 lbs.

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So it's probably like can a
grown man can a twive them?

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But that's a that's still a long
way long.

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Distance, yeah, 'cause.
'Cause where are they?

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They're in Colorado, right?
The Jackson is in Colorado.

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They're in Wyoming.
It's in Wyoming.

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That's right.
It's in Wyoming.

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They're in Wyoming.
So, you know, a few 100 miles,

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it's still a long way.
Yeah, it is, especially when

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you're you're light on
provisions, you don't have a lot

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of food, you know, you don't
have a lot of supplies because

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you're trying to travel light,
you're trying to travel quick

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just in case, you know,
something pops off.

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So yeah, I get it.
I.

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Understand Seth, I understand
this point and I think it's

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somewhat valid.
It's been 3 months.

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No one's come for them.
But you know the way these

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scenes work, you know, I watched
some of The Walking Dead.

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I listen to y'all podcast.
The communities don't just live

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in a bubble and don't get messed
with.

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At some point they don't,
especially when they have

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resources.
And Jackson had a good long run.

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They did.
And the resources, the main

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resources, People, people.
These are good, healthy people.

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Yeah.
And that's a lot.

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Of them.
And they did.

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But that's how you build your
community.

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So if you're in Seattle, you're
trying to build a big community,

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people.
That's very powerful resource.

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And I don't know if they build
the community, they build the

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army based on what we saw at the
end, it's.

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What it looks like the Western
Liberation Front, because

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apparently, I guess Federer must
still be pretty big because

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they're people are still
concerned about Federer so.

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But yeah, that that that little
army at the end, I was like, oh,

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OK, so y'all, it might take more
than the two of y'all to bring

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this down.
Like y'all don't know Rick and

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Michelle, y'all not gonna bring
a whole a whole military outpost

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down They're.
Not.

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No.
Be a good sniper.

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She, you know, Remember when we
first saw her?

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Yeah.
She was being he.

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Tom was teaching how to snipe.
And she got a better gun.

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They gave her a better rifle so
I already see what is going.

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Let's.
Talk about Seth for a minute.

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Because out of all the people in
town to be her staunchest ally

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in this this endeavor, I was not
expecting it to be him.

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And I feel huh it.
Makes sense though.

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It does.
Makes sense he despite what he

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said I I feel like he really
respects Tommy and now Tommy and

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they probably were kindred
spirits because they're very

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similar in in the kind of people
they are.

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So if anyone was going to be
pissed off by it would be sad.

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Yeah.
I mean, and he that's why I say

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it makes perfect sense for him
to be that way because how dare

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they come here and kill this
person who I respected and I

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love and probably the only
person who could keep me in

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check.
Yeah, you know what I mean.

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And I mean, Joel was the person
who was helping that town stay

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afloat.
He was the one that was showing

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them how to build things and how
to expand and all this other

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stuff.
I would be pissed too because

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you didn't just take someone who
was important to the community.

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And I understand what the other
girl was saying.

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Yes, they all lost someone
because of the clickers and

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everything.
But again, this was personal.

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This was someone who obviously
very purposefully sought out

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this person and killed him.
And going back to what I was

444
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:50,520
going to say about Tommy
earlier, I have a feeling that,

445
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,120
and I think we discussed this in
the last episode, I have a

446
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,520
feeling that Joe probably told
Tommy about what he did in Salt

447
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,520
Lake City.
And I think when Tommy was

448
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,880
looking at his brother, when he
pulled back the sheet to look at

449
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,800
Joe's face, and he just kind of
looked at him expressionless for

450
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,240
a minute, and then you saw his
face change.

451
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,000
I think that was him realizing
that whatever he did in Salt

452
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,960
Lake City called up to him.
And I don't know, maybe one of

453
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,920
the reasons why Tommy decided to
stay back or he he couldn't go.

454
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,080
Yeah.
It might have had to do with his

455
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,760
age because I know he's younger
than Joel.

456
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,360
I don't remember by how many
years.

457
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:38,600
But Joel, I think I saw
somewhere that said he was 61.

458
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,800
So that means Tommy would be in
his probably mid to late 50s.

459
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,040
Tommy may have decided, OK, you
know what, yeah, they're going

460
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,720
to go after them.
But if this was that personal,

461
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,200
that person may come back and
maybe Tommy felt like he needed

462
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,880
to be there just in case.
Like you said, if they're, if

463
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,080
they're Raiders, if if they
decided, oh, they have

464
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,960
resources, they have
electricity, we need to go and

465
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,760
figure that out.
Maybe Tommy was like, yeah,

466
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,320
maybe I need to stay here just
in case something else happens.

467
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,760
And I do also like Seth because
this is like, if I wasn't hurt,

468
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,840
I'd be with you.
And I believe him.

469
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,120
I believe, I believe that he
would go with them.

470
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,000
I took some friendly fire.
She was like, you sure was

471
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,600
friendly because he got hurt
when Joel tackled him, didn't

472
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,480
he?
Yeah.

473
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,880
Yeah.
So.

474
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,960
But I believed him.
He did I.

475
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,360
Did too.
Oh, because he was fired up when

476
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:37,400
he got up.
I was looking.

477
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,800
I was like.
Oh, the person was like, he

478
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,000
probably I thought, oh, isn't it
nice?

479
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,880
Seem damn realizing now he he
wasn't being nice to him.

480
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,320
Yeah, he.
Wasn't this wasn't just about

481
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,760
making amends?
He was really pissed off.

482
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,160
He really was.
He was really pissed off.

483
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,680
He was like, yeah, and if they
come back, if they come back and

484
00:28:55,720 --> 00:29:02,280
you know, and and try to take
this town, it OK, y'all would

485
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,840
deserve it because y'all are
just sitting there allowing them

486
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,720
to get away with this.
He was like they came into our

487
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,640
house and took one of our.
Own.

488
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,560
Yeah.
And then he proved his point.

489
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120
They cut to the kids playing
baseball on the field.

490
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,440
They're soft.
I was so confused when that

491
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240
happened.
I was like, I was like, am I

492
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,440
watching an ad?
Because I you know, when I re

493
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,960
signed up for Max, I just did
the one with ads.

494
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,920
I was like, you know what?
I'm only going to have it

495
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,200
probably just for this and then
I'm going to take it off.

496
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,880
I'm not paying extra extra $8
for no ads.

497
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,200
So when the cat to the baseball
game, I was like, what kind of

498
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,960
ad is this?
And then I saw GAIL sit and I

499
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,400
was like, oh, this is the show.
I was like, wow, y'all got that

500
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,200
many kids running around that
y'all can make a baseball team.

501
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,280
Yeah, but but the point is they
soft the soft and that's where

502
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,880
and they.
Got complacent which?

503
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,480
We've seen, we've seen that
happen in The Walking Dead.

504
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,800
Yes, and and The thing is.
Or Maggie in charge.

505
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,040
They had Maggie.
Maggie was in charge.

506
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,840
They hunt them.
They hunt them down.

507
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Yeah, but but that's my thing
because it's like, why were you

508
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,520
sitting in stands playing
baseball?

509
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,960
And I, I get it.
It's been 3 months.

510
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,120
They've had time to grieve,
they've had time to start the

511
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,040
healing process.
Life goes on, I get that.

512
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,800
But your town was almost wiped
out.

513
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,640
Not by people, by them fucking
clickers.

514
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,880
By so many clickers.
Y'all didn't even know we're

515
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,840
that close to your town.
How are you this relaxed right

516
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,560
now?
Wow.

517
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,840
I mean, yeah, I get it, the snow
has melted, there's nowhere for

518
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,840
them to hide right now.
But you already have a

519
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,360
eyewitness account of them being
smarter.

520
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,760
And then you have what happened
in the winter happened with all

521
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,200
of them just coming up out the
the ice.

522
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,880
And I granted, I know that
nobody else saw that, but those

523
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,040
thousand clickers didn't just
come from nowhere.

524
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,400
Y'all are letting them get too
close to you.

525
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,320
And that's going to be a
disaster because like Ellie said

526
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,920
in her speech, she was like, you
know, community is not about,

527
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,640
you know, parties and New Year's
Eve parties and even building

528
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,360
walls.
She was like, cuz that thing got

529
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,480
fucking broke, broken through.
It took what, three hits from

530
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,240
that bloater and that was it,
that was it.

531
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,680
But y'all sitting there playing
baseball.

532
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,280
I, I was just kind of looking at
some of this stuff in this

533
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,840
episode.
I was like, you know what?

534
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:05,600
I just, I, I don't know, I don't
know, like I get you can't live

535
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:11,200
in fear all the time but y'all
just got invaded by 1000 damn

536
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,640
clickers.
Y'all should not be playing

537
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,800
T-ball right now.
I have a question from season 1.

538
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,440
You remember they did federal
take kids and start training

539
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,200
them as children.
Yes they do.

540
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,000
They what Ellie was, she was in
that program.

541
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,680
So, you know, maybe some of
these people remember that and

542
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,560
they don't want their kids to be
like that.

543
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,280
But I'm like, there's a reason
for that.

544
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,480
They live in a world where
they're going to need to be able

545
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:47,240
to to fight things that you
can't talk to or reason with.

546
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,400
Right.
Or bargain with.

547
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,840
And I get I get one of your
children to have a childhood

548
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,720
still.
I get wanting them to kind of be

549
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,760
carefree and not think about the
big things because, you know, in

550
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,880
our that would be a grown up
problem.

551
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,160
It would be a grown up problem.
But those things don't

552
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:13,160
discriminate against, you know,
between adults and children and

553
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,240
your children.
Yes, I know you guys have this

554
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,240
plan of, you know, if something
happens, if Raiders come, if

555
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,200
clickers come, you send the
children and the elderly down to

556
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:28,360
the basement and lock them in.
Those kids need to, I hate to

557
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,280
say it, hate to say it, they
need to see what what's going on

558
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,480
in that world and they need to
know more than just to run and

559
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,760
hide.
Because at some point, they're

560
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,240
going to be the ones that are
the adults and they're going to

561
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,680
need to be, they're going to
need to know how to take care of

562
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,720
themselves.
Yeah.

563
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,440
And.
And not not just with the

564
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,600
clickers, but I mean just even
in the town.

565
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,880
I think that was also something
that they were trying to tell us

566
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,360
with Tommy not being able to hit
the post and then Jesse coming

567
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,920
in.
It's like, OK, you know what?

568
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,400
It's about to start ushering in
the new generation.

569
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,120
They're going to be the ones
that have to take over.

570
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,280
I think even Ellie said
something about it in the last

571
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,360
episode about Jesse.
She said we all know you're

572
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,320
going to be in charge of Jackson
one day.

573
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,760
She said that to him.
So I think they're showing us

574
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,719
that.
But if if your children aren't

575
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,920
prepared, there's not going to
be a future in Jackson.

576
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,560
How many babies were they taken
down into the basement?

577
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,280
A.
Lot.

578
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,560
You know, it's just kind of
like, yeah, I don't, I don't

579
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,920
know, it just it, it was a very
weird contrast to me because

580
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,760
again, like for me, Joel just
died the last episode.

581
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,840
All the townspeople just died in
the last episode.

582
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,080
I just feel like y'all should
still be cautious, even if not

583
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,520
in mourning.
Still be cautious, you know how,

584
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,440
how is the the wall doing?
How are your buildings doing?

585
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:08,040
Is everything reinforced because
those clickers got through?

586
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,800
They got through the wall.
They were busting through doors

587
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,680
and windows.
And do y'all really have the

588
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,600
resources to fix all of that?
Because if so, I I I need to go

589
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,240
to Jackson Hole when the
apocalypse hits.

590
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,600
Maybe, but I don't know if they
got clickers hiding in the snow,

591
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,120
that may not be where I want to
be.

592
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,920
I might need to just stay my ass
in Georgia.

593
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,400
Right.
But let's talk about a

594
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,200
conversation between GAIL and
and Tommy.

595
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,000
GAIL is like, oh, you think
she's lying?

596
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Oh, she's a liar.
Oh, she's a liar.

597
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,680
Yeah, like I said, GAIL was
peeping their face in the

598
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,040
hospital.
GAIL was like, he's.

599
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,400
Like there's a difference
between lying and being a liar.

600
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,520
Oh, she's a liar.
I know she's a liar.

601
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,840
I mean, she's telling the truth.
She, I mean, because we know

602
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:11,800
this Ellie, Ellie is a pretty
practiced liar, you know?

603
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:20,160
Her Her life now is deception.
She has to hide where she is.

604
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,680
And that's, you know, that's the
thing I thought, I thought she

605
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,040
was freaking out in the promos
when she wakes up in the

606
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,240
hospital because, you know,
they're doing, they have a tube

607
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,840
going into her.
And I don't, I don't know what

608
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,440
that tube was doing, but I was
like, oh, maybe they're not

609
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,560
supposed to be doing that.
Because, you know, we talked

610
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,200
about this.
We were like, OK, they didn't do

611
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,600
any tests when they had her in
Salt Lake.

612
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,800
They were just going to be like,
oh, OK, we're just going to play

613
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,280
around in her brain and see if
we can figure out how to kill

614
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,400
the Cordyceps.
And I'm like, oh, they actually

615
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,320
like they have a running
hospital.

616
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,480
They have a place that is, you
know, they have the machinery,

617
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,600
they have the equipment.
And I was thinking, I was like,

618
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,400
oh, maybe this is not a good
thing.

619
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,000
And maybe it still isn't a good
thing nothing came of it in this

620
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,240
episode.
But that's not to say that later

621
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,160
on that doctor might not look at
her blood and be like, there's

622
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,520
something interesting here.
I still say that little boy had

623
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,560
changed too fast when she
started trying to put her blood

624
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:30,960
in his womb, so I'm just saying
just because she's immune

625
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,200
doesn't mean she isn't a walking
functioning clicker.

626
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Yeah.
High functioning.

627
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:50,560
So another thing that I like
about this episode is I would

628
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:56,000
say Dina is very much growing on
me, but also because I love the

629
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,640
way that Dina is just basically
like, OK, here's the

630
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,840
information, this is what we're
going to do, blah, blah, blah.

631
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,280
And she keeps saying we, we, us,
we.

632
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,400
And Ellie is letting her do it.
That's one thing that kind of

633
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,920
irritates me about some shows
and movies when you have your

634
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,400
friend, your ride or die and
they're like, oh, no, I'm going

635
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,840
to do this with you.
Oh, no, you can't go.

636
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,600
I, I I don't want you to get in
trouble.

637
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:26,320
Ellie's just like, OK, because I
feel like she's, I was thinking

638
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,680
about it.
It's kind of like the Harry, Ron

639
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,800
and Hermione thing.
It's like Harry and Rhonda are

640
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,760
like, oh, we could do it, but we
would die if we didn't have

641
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Hermione with us.
And I feel the same way with

642
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,840
Ellie.
Like Ellie is about to go half

643
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,480
cocked on everything and Dana is
the one that's actually sitting

644
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,120
there.
She's the cool, she's the calm,

645
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,160
she's the one that's
calculating.

646
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,000
She's the one that's thinking,
OK, we need this, we need that,

647
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,800
we need to take this, you can't
wear those shoes, blah, blah,

648
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,160
blah, blah, blah.
And somebody pointed it out on

649
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,120
social media.
I think it may have been on

650
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,120
threads.
So I didn't know why Isabella

651
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,880
Merced looked familiar to me.
And it's because she played the

652
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,000
live action Dora the Explorer.
So somebody was like, she really

653
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,760
came up in Ellie's house and was
like, you need boots and a

654
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:24,680
backpack and she had them.
Wow, wow.

655
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,120
I saw that today and I was like.
Backpack, backpack, backpack.

656
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,880
She walked in and asked Ellie.
She was like, OK, so what's the

657
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,880
plan?
What are you going to do?

658
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,320
Do you have medicine?
Do you have this?

659
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,440
Do you have that?
How are you going to get there?

660
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,680
She was like, I'm going to go
northwest.

661
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,160
No, you're going to have this
trusty map.

662
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,920
That's all the map.
So we have boots, the backpack,

663
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,120
and the map.
Wow, wow.

664
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,920
Like as soon as they said that I
watched the episode again right

665
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,640
before we started recording and
I was like, now I can't Unsee

666
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,960
it.
She is going to be Dora for me

667
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,560
for the rest of this season.
Now our audience is not going to

668
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:13,680
be able to see it either.
Backpack, backpack, backpack,

669
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:20,560
backpack.
Wow, thanks for that Hunter

670
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,520
girl.
I had to share it.

671
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,080
I thought it was so funny
because I I had of course I

672
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,920
haven't seen the live action
door.

673
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,640
Like my kids are in their 20s
and almost 30 now.

674
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,560
So I never saw it in theaters.
And how I just kept looking her

675
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,440
at her like I've seen her face
before, but I don't know what

676
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,240
I've seen her on.
I saw her on the promos and like

677
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:43,160
the commercials.
But of course, this was like

678
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,840
years ago.
She was a lot younger so when

679
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,200
they said that I was like Oh my
God, this is in my head now All

680
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,520
we need is a fucking monkey to
walk past in that forest on.

681
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:02,880
And no, absolutely not.
No.

682
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,360
And what was Stitcher?
What was his name?

683
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,040
No, you're talking about Swiper.
Swiper.

684
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,760
Swiper was.
The was the raccoon the the

685
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,520
thieving raccoon.
Swiper no swiping.

686
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,600
Yeah, the monkey was Boots.
Boots.

687
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,360
I know I was trying to remember
Swiper's name.

688
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,280
Swiper.
No swiping.

689
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:32,320
Swiper.
No Swiper, so hopefully I won't

690
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,920
call her Dora instead of Dina
for the rest of the.

691
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,240
Season.
Oh, no, She's Dora now she's

692
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,200
Dora.
You can't.

693
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,440
You can't take that back.
No tape backs.

694
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,160
No, no, no tape backs.
Season.

695
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,400
No.
That's Dora.

696
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,200
From this point forward, Dina
will forever be known as Dora.

697
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,360
I can't say.
Dina.

698
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,440
Dinah.
Dina.

699
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,240
Dina.
Dina.

700
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,080
No.
Dora.

701
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,920
Dora.
Dora.

702
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,760
Master, you got a holster for
that gun?

703
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Yeah.
Yeah, and she did ask her that.

704
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,720
She was like, so you got a gun?
What you got?

705
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,320
She pulls out Joel.
Why does Joel's gun look so big

706
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:18,000
compared to Ellie?
That thing is like the size of

707
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,040
her face, It's huge.
It is.

708
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,960
And she's like, yeah, this is
what I'm going to kill Abby

709
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,960
with.
I'm like, OK, so she has a plan

710
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:33,880
with that at least.
Let's go to a less a less funny

711
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,880
or a more serious part of the
episode because we are

712
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,800
introduced to a new group of
people.

713
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:47,400
I'll be it very swiftly, but I
think the web called them Sarah

714
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,200
fights and they're supposed to
be like, and they're supposed to

715
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,480
be like some type of religious
group that, you know, at at the

716
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,760
time that we see them in the
show, they are actually fleeing,

717
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,080
I guess, from a settlement that
they weren't in.

718
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,520
They're trying to go somewhere
else.

719
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,920
And you see the daughter, a
daughter and her father.

720
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,440
They're having a conversation
and he's trying to like teach

721
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,400
her about their ways and about
someone they called the prophet

722
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,800
who is no longer with them.
But she kind of saw the way

723
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,000
things were supposed to be and
they kind of followed her

724
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,960
teachings and, and you know, the
signs that she laid out for

725
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,160
them.
And they have this system.

726
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,320
There's, there's a whole group
of them walking forward and then

727
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,840
there's one lone straggler
towards the back.

728
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,280
And they have this system where
they whistle to each other to

729
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,280
kind of let them know their
status.

730
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Now I'm going to say I
understand that might have been

731
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,680
a smart method of communication,
I just didn't think it was

732
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,880
smart.
Then because you're walking and

733
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,440
you're you're whistling, you're
making this loud sound that is

734
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,400
very distinctively a
communication method.

735
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,320
If you are worried enough that
you have someone on lookout to

736
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,160
make sure that nobody is
following you, y'all should have

737
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,400
been a little more stealthy than
than you were.

738
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:30,600
Like you're literally whistling.
But a large crowd moving like

739
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:37,680
that is very hard not to leave a
trail, so the whistling wouldn't

740
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,200
have made that much of a
difference because someone

741
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,360
already picked up their trail.
And when you have that many

742
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,480
people, it's kind of hard to
hide your trail.

743
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,360
Yeah, but you, you literally,
it's like you put yourself on a

744
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,240
platter was like, hey, here we
are.

745
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,280
We're right.
Whistling.

746
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,520
They were already being hunted.
The whistling wasn't.

747
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,320
And yeah, yeah, the whistling
didn't tip anybody off.

748
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,960
They were already once.
Once someone figured out a large

749
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,120
group of people moving, they
probably knew who they were or

750
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,120
what they were.
OK.

751
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,920
I only know this because I know
something 'cause they're in the

752
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,760
game, they're in the game too,
so.

753
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,400
Oh OK, 'cause I was going to say
what is the deal with the like

754
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,600
they they all have these
identical.

755
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,560
Slides on their I don't know why
they have the scars, but I know

756
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:33,480
that that's the derogatory term
used to refer to them, which

757
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,760
they don't like.
They're called scars and they

758
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,800
don't like that.
Oh, OK, OK.

759
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,120
I don't know.
I don't know.

760
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,600
I haven't.
I don't know that much about

761
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,320
them, but I do know that that
part that that's a derogatory

762
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,320
term.
OK, yeah, I I didn't go look it

763
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:54,480
up because I was like, OK, as
much as I want the information,

764
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,880
I still want to be able to
separate game from show.

765
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,080
So I don't want too much
information from the game

766
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,480
because I have a feeling if they
introduce them in this way and

767
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,920
then took them off the board so
quickly, I don't think that's

768
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,800
the last we're going to hear
about them.

769
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,320
So I kind of want to learn it
organically through the show.

770
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:19,120
Yeah, I think, I think that's
right, because why introduce

771
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,800
them and then kill them off?
Like so quickly.

772
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,480
Yeah, I'm.
Sure, we'll see them again.

773
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,720
What I will say about that group
is they did realize that someone

774
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,440
was following them.
They went to go hide and the the

775
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,960
little girl was asking him if it
was demons, which I'm assuming

776
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,440
that's what they call the
clickers.

777
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:47,280
And her father said no wolves.
So I'm like OK, so that means

778
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,760
that the group that Abby was
with the Washington Liberation

779
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,920
Front, they are hunting these
people for what I don't know.

780
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:03,840
But I will say this, I already
do not like the wolves because

781
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,840
you shot unarmed people in the
back.

782
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,640
Not once, multiple times.
Shooting someone in the back is

783
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,720
a sign of a coward.
And children.

784
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:20,080
And children, yeah, but in the
back like you not even face to

785
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,280
face.
And what are you going to do?

786
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,720
They they have like hammers.
You have obviously, you have

787
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:31,320
advanced weaponry and you killed
all of them.

788
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,600
I was like, OK, so you guys are
setting it up to let me know

789
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,920
that I'm not, you know, in
addition to Abby, which again, I

790
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,440
can kind of sort of be
sympathetic to her reasoning for

791
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,080
killing Joel, but that doesn't
mean I accept it.

792
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,200
But y'all are already telling me
that the wolves are people I'm

793
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,640
not going to like.
Maybe kind of like Federer.

794
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,400
I think they don't want us to
like the wolves.

795
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,920
Yeah, I think we're not supposed
to.

796
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,720
OK, good.
Because if y'all are going to

797
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:02,960
introduce them this way, like,
you know, they're killing,

798
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,080
coming across the country to
kill Joel and now they're

799
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:10,720
hunting down these what seem
like peaceful people because

800
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,280
they were running away from the
war.

801
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,960
They were like, yeah, we're
we're going this way.

802
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,320
War is this way.
We're going to go this way.

803
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,600
We're we're going to.
It kind of reminds me of the

804
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,280
Tuathlon in a Wheel of Time.
I was like, OK, peace loving

805
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,720
people, they're going to go OK
cool.

806
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,200
And then you have this group
that just hunts them and guns

807
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,320
them down.
I was like, OK, so this is how

808
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,360
y'all are starting us off with
the wolves.

809
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,520
Keep that same energy.
Don't bring me no bullshit.

810
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,960
You know, sob story in episode 6
about why they do the things

811
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,720
they do.
I don't want to hear it at this

812
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:52,320
point, at this.
Point because because people

813
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,400
that walk around like this who
don't have guns don't harm

814
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,360
themselves.
They just say they're becoming

815
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,720
clickers and that and that's the
problem.

816
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,640
So you go ahead and take care of
them now, otherwise you're going

817
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,040
to be killing them and they're
clickers.

818
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,600
But what?
Add to the clicker population.

819
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,080
But I guess the the problem is
they are still human at this

820
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,840
point.
I know think.

821
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:19,080
That you are so quick to kill
them instead of saying, oh, OK,

822
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:23,480
let us take you into our, I
don't know, protective custody,

823
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,840
Let let us invite you into our
kind of like what Jackson does.

824
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:33,440
I mean, granted, bringing all of
those people into your community

825
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,320
does cause A cause a strain on
resources, but guess what?

826
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,560
You had more bodies to fight
when the time came to it.

827
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,960
Yeah, but these people were like
the twat, the one.

828
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,400
They're not from the fight.
They still didn't deserve to die

829
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,560
like that.
They literally.

830
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,920
They literally slaughtered them
like animals.

831
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,200
I don't know, but I'm just
saying I'm I'm sure what?

832
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,280
Let's back up for a second.
What bothered me about this

833
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,680
show, and this is just a general
statement about shows like this.

834
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,000
When you have different
factions, why are we all

835
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,200
fighting each other like?
Survival.

836
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,960
They're they're coming away.
They come, yeah, but they're

837
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,800
coming away from a war.
So the war is not with the

838
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,600
clickers.
The war is probably between

839
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:22,680
factions.
Yeah.

840
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,560
And whoever else, it's like,
guys cheer it out.

841
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,200
Yeah, you know what I mean, If
you if you think about anything

842
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,360
that we watch.
I know.

843
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,680
Especially when it comes to like
dystopian apocalyptic stuff.

844
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,680
It's about resources.
It's about resources and it's

845
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:44,160
always about the people, even
with The Walking Dead, that the

846
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:49,320
the real problem isn't the
walkers, it's the other people.

847
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,840
And in that sense, you know, we
always make the joke about when

848
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,880
Rick and his folks find a new
place, you know that that place

849
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,960
falls.
But you know what?

850
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,400
It's it's kind of the same
thing.

851
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,880
Especially one if if you are
being told OK this is the way it

852
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,200
is outside of your walls and you
need to adapt so that trouble

853
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,840
when trouble finds you, you can
handle yourself.

854
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,720
It would have only been a matter
of time before Negan would have

855
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:22,120
found Alexandria.
Even before Rick and them were

856
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,960
there.
The only reason why they

857
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,720
realized that Rick and them was
there was because they what was

858
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:32,600
it?
They pulled Daryl, Abraham and

859
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,920
Sasha off the road and they
ended up killing their people.

860
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,640
They were like, OK, when these
people had to come from

861
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,720
somewhere in this area and they
start looking, but eventually

862
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,520
they would have made their way
there because that's what they

863
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,640
were doing.
But it's.

864
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,720
The same thing.
It's the same thing.

865
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,840
Not the Republic, but the other
place.

866
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,760
They were sending out people to
find and infiltrate communities.

867
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,840
They were doing this.
Yeah, right.

868
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,320
So it's just I, I don't know why
people do that because.

869
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,920
Scarcity of resources.
Scarcity of resources.

870
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,680
Yeah, but if you have more
people to find things and to

871
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,320
make things, and, you know,
maybe that's something going

872
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,240
back to The Walking Dead,
something similar to what the

873
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:24,920
Commonwealth was doing when they
insert people, they basically

874
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,360
were like, OK, So what did you
do in your past life?

875
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,000
How are you going to contribute
here?

876
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,800
And they made it to a point
where they had a functioning

877
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,680
society because they had so many
different people doing different

878
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,440
things and they were able to
increase their resources.

879
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,320
And then there's still that
whole train mess that we never

880
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,920
found out about.
But they were obviously in

881
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,920
communication with at least one
other community that they were

882
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,880
able to trade with.
Ideally, you would think that in

883
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,200
a in a world like this where
there are limited people, there

884
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:04,400
are limited resources, there is
this big monster, this big enemy

885
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,320
that you know, will cost people
if you have to fight them.

886
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,760
And, you know, in small numbers,
you would think, OK, well, let's

887
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,440
band together.
Let's try to, you know, let's

888
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,320
try to build something.
Let's try to create AI don't

889
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,960
know if you want to necessarily
say a army, but you know, let's

890
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,720
let's get enough people to
defend where we are.

891
00:53:27,720 --> 00:53:32,360
Let's have some farmers over
here planting, look, planting

892
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,080
corn, like the guy was saying in
the in the meeting.

893
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,720
And I was just like, dude, if
you had a little bit more

894
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,720
enthusiasm about what you were
doing, maybe they wouldn't have

895
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:43,200
all been like, OK, you need to
sit down.

896
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,920
We want to talk about the real
stuff because he was talking

897
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,600
about important stuff.
He's like, look, we need to get

898
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:54,000
our food and our crops.
He's going, he lives in line.

899
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,200
He's like, no, it's a difficult
crop to grow, but it's a good,

900
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,120
it's a good crop.
Yeah, and and, and it will be

901
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,280
plenty, but I, I don't know why
they don't do this.

902
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,440
People like the wolves, if that
is what they do, if that is what

903
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,400
they do again, we we only saw
like a glimpse of them towards

904
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,480
the end.
So we don't know what their MO

905
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,160
is, But if that is what they do,
if they hunt down people just

906
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,160
because, oh, OK, you're weak,
you're going to be a liability.

907
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,000
I just can we can we stop with
that?

908
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,280
It's The Walking Dead.
The CRM did the same thing.

909
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,640
You're A's or B's if you're, you
know, if you're A, if you're

910
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,600
someone who's strong and who,
who could possibly like, lead,

911
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,080
oh, we're going to kill you
because you might be a threat to

912
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,240
the way we do things.
It's.

913
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,320
I don't know.
That, that was my point.

914
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,920
That's my point.
It's like, why, why are we, why

915
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,000
are we built this way?
You know, this is, it's

916
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,440
terrible.
I don't know.

917
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,200
Yeah.
And, and you would think and in

918
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:00,040
shows like this, or even in
times like in real life, in war,

919
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:05,640
once you have these these
genocides or once you have these

920
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,560
wars that kind of wipe things
out, they completely change your

921
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,360
way of living or whatever, you
would think that people will

922
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,680
learn, OK, we have to do better
so we don't have to go through

923
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,840
this again.
And for some reason it just

924
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,040
never clicks.
You still have idiots who want

925
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,920
to repeat the same things that
were done 40506070 years ago.

926
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:34,560
We are seeing that in our
present day world, you know, And

927
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,720
it's just like, I don't
understand, like what is what is

928
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:43,960
so ingrained in humanity that we
feel the need to always oppress

929
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,480
somebody else?
I don't get it.

930
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,040
There are worse things out
there.

931
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:58,360
It's fear, yes.
But all that to say, I'm not

932
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,920
liking the wolves from what what
I know of them right now.

933
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:09,880
But I'm also fearful now for
Ellie and Dana because they've

934
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,240
made it all the way to Seattle.
They apparently have had no

935
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:16,920
issues making it from Wyoming to
Seattle.

936
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,880
They haven't.
They apparently haven't come

937
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,680
across any clickers.
They haven't attracted anybody

938
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,520
else with all the loud talking
and games that they're playing

939
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,760
on horseback.
But it's only two of them.

940
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,360
I was watching with Michelle and
she was like, why are they

941
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,080
making so much noise?
And see, Michelle watches

942
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,600
walking down with us.
This is a conversation we've had

943
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,760
before.
Like you don't.

944
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,640
You are in an area you know
nothing about.

945
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,520
You don't know what's in this
area.

946
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,640
You don't know who's in this
area.

947
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,720
And I'm sorry.
I understand.

948
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:51,280
Ellie.
You.

949
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Yeah, you you are a badass.
You are not.

950
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,840
I'm about to take out this whole
wolf army badass.

951
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,320
You don't even know that that
army is there.

952
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,280
You just know that your laser
focused on this one chick and

953
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,400
her friends because yeah, she's
going to kill them all.

954
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,880
I she said I'm going to kill
you.

955
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,440
I'm going to kill all of you.
Yeah.

956
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,120
And I believe she's going to
have that happen.

957
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:24,400
What?
Jackson Wong Ming is 860 miles

958
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:25,960
from Seattle.
Wow.

959
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,320
OK.
So they've probably been

960
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,120
traveling for a couple of weeks
at this point.

961
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,080
Yeah.
Because that one, that one storm

962
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,600
can't have been the only storm
that they've encountered.

963
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,280
Like I said, they don't have a
lot of food.

964
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,440
Game Revolution wrote an article
where they said they would take

965
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,960
a little over 21 days by horse.
Wow.

966
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,800
OK.
So yeah, a few weeks.

967
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,560
Three weeks.
And not only that one, you've

968
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,560
been on horseback for three
weeks and I can tell you just

969
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,240
after riding a horse for 20
minutes, your ass is sore.

970
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,880
You're talking about you've been
on, you've been on horseback,

971
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,800
not just by yourself.
You are straddling with another

972
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:27,640
person on horseback across
rugged terrain.

973
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,880
Yeah, well, I'm not a cowboy.
I'm not a cowboy, but apparently

974
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,160
if you know what you're doing
it, it's not that bad.

975
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,960
I.
You know what?

976
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,360
They are not Cowboys.
Yes, they live in a community

977
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,440
with horses, but I don't think
they, I don't think either of

978
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,400
them have been on a horse for
more than 3 for more than three

979
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,040
weeks at a time.
Not at a time, but they're used

980
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,240
to riding horses.
They drive them on their patrols

981
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:52,520
so they think what they're
doing.

982
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,280
And they had good weather.
They had good weather.

983
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:03,680
I don't know where you can go to
have almost three weeks of good

984
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:09,000
weather.
Good weather, no clickers, no

985
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,960
other people.
They they having a lot of good

986
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,280
luck right now.
Right now.

987
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,560
Right now.
It's all about to change.

988
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,440
But the other thing is too, they
didn't take, they didn't take a

989
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,560
lot of provisions like, yeah,
they may have had some, some

990
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,240
snacks and whatever it was that
Seth said he put in there,

991
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,240
you're not going to tell me that
lasted the whole 3 weeks.

992
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,600
And even if they rationed it,
that means they're not getting

993
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,560
full nutritional content.
They're not going to be in

994
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,400
physical condition to take on
whatever they're about to face.

995
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,360
They're going to be weak and
tired and exhausted.

996
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,840
I don't know.
You're a beef jerk.

997
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,160
You don't take up a lot more.
But it's also, but you know

998
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,200
what?
It's also not very nutritious.

999
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:02,520
And and Ellie knows how to hunt,
and I'm sure Dora knows how to

1000
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:03,960
hunt too.
What?

1001
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,280
What hunting apparatus did you
see them take with them With

1002
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:08,560
them?
Rifles.

1003
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:14,280
They got rifles, they got guns.
She knows I'm Ellie.

1004
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:21,080
Ellie was on the road with Joel
for a long freaking time.

1005
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,400
And I understand that.
She knows how to trap a rabbit,

1006
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:31,520
trap a squirrel, I'm sure fish.
She can do all that.

1007
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,360
OK.
She couldn't have spent all that

1008
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,520
time with Joel.
Where do they go from Boston all

1009
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,600
the way to Jackson?
To Salt Lake and Van to Salt

1010
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,040
Lake City.
Yes, that's a long freaking way.

1011
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,240
That's a lot of time and a lot
of that was walking.

1012
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,520
They drove some of it, but a lot
of that was walking.

1013
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,480
They have no horse.
Yeah.

1014
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,360
And they weren't carrying around
groceries.

1015
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,640
You know, you scavenge, you find
places that are abandoned, and

1016
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,160
you find some cans of food.
Ellie, this is not her first

1017
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:14,600
rodeo.
And 860 miles, that's nothing.

1018
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,320
Oh, really?
To her, no.

1019
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,760
To her, that's that thing.
Yeah, she's.

1020
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,720
Done that before.
OK, I'll take your word for it.

1021
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,760
I'm still, I'm still having a
little bit of this, you know,

1022
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,320
disbelief at some of this stuff.
But again, they, they don't show

1023
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:39,560
us everything, which you know, I
understand, but at least show us

1024
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:41,760
something.
Show us show, show us them

1025
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,240
living off the land.
Show us them coming across a

1026
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,600
random person.
I don't want to see that.

1027
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,160
I want to see that and you know
this.

1028
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,320
I don't want to see that.
I'm just saying a little

1029
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,600
injecting, a little bit of real.
Show me point A and show me

1030
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,120
point BI.
Don't need everything in

1031
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,720
between.
I really don't.

1032
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,320
I don't.
I, I would have rather look, I

1033
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,960
would have rather seen them
hunting for animals than having

1034
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,160
that little conversation in the
tent where it seems like Dina is

1035
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,640
just kind of messing with Ellie
about, oh, am I gay or am I not

1036
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,440
gay?
OK, first of all, first of all,

1037
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,800
first of all, I'm not watching
Last of Us.

1038
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,640
It's not on CW.
It's on HBO Max.

1039
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,440
I don't want this to be ACW.
No, that's why I'm saying I

1040
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,240
don't.
I didn't.

1041
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,680
Need to see that kind of I.
Didn't need to have that

1042
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:39,680
conversation like it and it's
like I understand maybe they're

1043
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,800
they might be trying to
establish something between

1044
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,800
Ellie and Dana.
I get it.

1045
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,040
I'm at the point now where I'm
like Ellie has other things to

1046
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,680
think about.
She don't need your wishy washy

1047
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,600
ass like Oh yeah.
Well, I'm back with Jesse.

1048
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,080
Oh, but you know what?
I wasn't all that drunk or I

1049
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,160
wasn't all that high and blah,
blah blah.

1050
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:00,840
How do I?
I didn't need to hear.

1051
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,200
Y'all could have been on the
road doing something else

1052
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,920
meaningful.
I just I guess for this show

1053
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,240
right now, I'm just that's not
what I want to see.

1054
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,520
Like I understand.
OK, Yeah, Ellie probably needs

1055
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,680
somebody or whatever, but
everything that we've seen so

1056
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:26,000
far has shown that her romantic
escapades don't pan out just

1057
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,040
like that.
That one question then was like

1058
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,520
the first person you killed.
She was like, well, the first

1059
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:32,720
person was really fucked up, so
I ain't going to tell you about

1060
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:33,520
that one.
Let me tell you.

1061
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,360
Because it was the IT was the
girl she had the crush on.

1062
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,040
She had to kill her when she
turns.

1063
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,280
So there's just other things
like I, I'm.

1064
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,760
Not no, I did not watch this.
This is that that's.

1065
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,360
What I'm saying I I don't want.
I don't.

1066
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:55,000
The Jesse, Dora and Elliott
drama I don't need.

1067
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,440
I just don't need it.
Let's move on.

1068
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:00,960
I mean it.
I don't see any.

1069
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,040
I don't see any I don't need.
I don't mind romantic

1070
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:09,240
relationships, I just.
We don't need the drama, we

1071
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,760
don't need the uncertainty.
We don't need, like I said, I I

1072
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,480
just feel like, and I get it
that Dena's character may not

1073
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:21,440
she may be confused, she may be
conflicted, or she may be she

1074
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,200
she could be by and just denying
that part of her.

1075
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,880
OK, you know what?
Right now we got more important

1076
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,200
things to be thinking about.
Y'all can talk about this later.

1077
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,200
Talk about this after y'all kill
Abby or?

1078
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,880
We don't even have to worry
about it.

1079
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,600
We, we understand, can we just,
can we just get along?

1080
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,720
I mean, whatever.
I, I don't want people to think

1081
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,760
that we're just having issues
because of the relationship.

1082
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,920
It's just.
No, it's, it's, I mean, anybody

1083
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,440
who listens to us.
Come on, Anthony, now come on.

1084
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,560
Even if it was Jessie with her
and they were having this type

1085
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,920
of conversation, I'd be like,
come on.

1086
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,200
I don't.
I'm not watching this for any

1087
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,240
romance.
You got bigger fish for fry.

1088
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,480
Right, right, because you're.
Out in the middle of nowhere

1089
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,400
making all this freaking noise.
Yeah.

1090
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,960
Smoke signals everywhere.
Come on, guys.

1091
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,000
Yeah, yeah.
And and Speaking of smoke

1092
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,720
signals and luck, how about how
when they were walking towards

1093
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,720
Seattle, I was like, I'm
surprised that the organization,

1094
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,840
like WLF don't have scouts and
don't have lookouts.

1095
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,960
Oh, they do have lookouts.
And he looking in the wrong

1096
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,680
direction.
It's like y'all so y'all telling

1097
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,760
us that they seem to be
organized but they're actually

1098
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:45,360
inept because he's for y'all.
Tell me to look 6 to 9 and I'm

1099
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,120
told now you want me to look
3:00 to 5:00.

1100
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,560
That's how you missed them.
Yeah, yeah.

1101
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,600
Because I really thought when
when they showed him looking, I

1102
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,680
thought he was going to say,
hey, I see someone on horseback.

1103
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,960
But instead it was like, oh, no,
it's clear.

1104
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:03,120
You can come up.
And I get it.

1105
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,720
That's the introduction for us
to the wolves.

1106
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:10,640
And to see that, oh, you know,
Ellie made that comment about,

1107
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,960
oh, it's about to be a lot less
wolves now.

1108
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,520
Not quite right.
Don't y'all got enough of the

1109
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,320
list?
I don't know if 100 rounds is

1110
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,240
enough.
I think that's what Dina told

1111
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,600
her to bring 100 rounds.
So I, I don't, I don't think

1112
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:32,440
that's going to be enough
because it was it just me or did

1113
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,760
were they in a truck or a tank?
I don't think it was a.

1114
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:41,400
Tank those do like hummers, like
military grade.

1115
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,400
OK.
It's 3 or 4 of them.

1116
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,920
Yeah.
So yeah, your your little guns

1117
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,680
ain't gonna really do too much
against that.

1118
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,800
Armored vehicles.
OK, Yeah.

1119
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,960
Yeah, no.
Not gonna do too much and then?

1120
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,240
Oh, those are.
They're like, they're almost

1121
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,560
like tanks.
Oh, are they OK?

1122
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,920
Yeah, well, they're not tank
tanks, but yeah.

1123
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,440
Some type of military vehicle.
Oh, they like amphibious

1124
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,560
vehicles.
They're built like amphibious

1125
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:21,000
vehicles.
Oh, OK, well, but looking at the

1126
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:31,560
preview for the next episode, I
think I think Dean is going to

1127
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,280
find out that Ellie is immune in
the next episode.

1128
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,280
Because there is.
AI haven't seen the promo for

1129
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,600
the next episode.
OK, so in so there there is a

1130
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:48,280
promo where they are, I guess
they're evading some of the

1131
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,320
wolves and it looks like they
might be evading or being chased

1132
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:58,480
by some of the some clickers in
a abandoned train.

1133
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,200
I was like, oh, this has Walking
Dead season 10 vibes to it.

1134
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:07,840
But I think they get separated
at one point and then Ellie

1135
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,000
comes out and Dina is actually
like pointing a gun at her

1136
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,760
crying.
And I was like, oh, she thinks

1137
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,800
she thinks Ellie's gotten bit
and she's like, OK, I'm gonna

1138
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,359
have to put you down because you
got bit.

1139
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:27,399
So I think that might be about
to happen, but I don't know,

1140
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:35,120
like, I feel like I feel like
Ellie is prepared to do what she

1141
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,040
needs to do.
And I do feel like she is.

1142
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,800
She's probably going to find
Abby the same way that Abby

1143
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,040
found Joel because she has that
determination, she has that

1144
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,520
motivation.
I just don't know if she and

1145
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,040
Dina are going to be able to do
it by themselves.

1146
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:58,600
I still kind of feel like maybe
Tommy will show up, if only to.

1147
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,120
Pull them out of the fire.
Either to pull them out of the

1148
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:06,640
fire or to help them because
kind of like what GAIL said, you

1149
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:09,279
know, he has now inherited
Ellie.

1150
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,680
You know, she has, she has now
become his surrogate daughter

1151
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,680
or, you know, niece or however
you want to call it.

1152
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:22,080
And I think he would feel
responsible or he would feel

1153
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,920
guilty or like he's letting Joel
down if something happens to

1154
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,080
Ellie or if he just let Ellie go
out on this trip and he doesn't

1155
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,800
do anything to to find her or to
help her.

1156
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,720
Yeah, but she a grown woman, she
can make her own decision.

1157
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,720
She's 19.
She is not grown.

1158
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,560
The US government says that
she's grown.

1159
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,439
She didn't to the military.
Kids over 20, at 19, they are

1160
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,319
not grown.
You will learn this in a couple

1161
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,240
of years.
They are not grown.

1162
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,800
Oh no, my child will tell you
that she's grown.

1163
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,280
Tell her to pay some of the
bills and see how she how.

1164
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,760
She changed.
That.

1165
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,400
Oh no, she said.
She already going to come back

1166
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,600
and live with us, she said We.
Better not do anything with her

1167
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,160
room, she said.
She'll graduate college, bed,

1168
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,640
school, and she'll be back.
That's not grown.

1169
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:11,560
No, I'm just.
Joking.

1170
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,640
I'm just joking.
But no.

1171
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:20,280
But yeah, I, I, I really want
Tommy to kind of find his way

1172
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,520
into this because I think he
needs it for himself too.

1173
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,840
Well, I think the show needs it.
I think the show's going to.

1174
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:33,440
Need it's it's going to need a
heavy Dora and Ellie are not

1175
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:37,240
going to be heavies No, not in
that way.

1176
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,200
I.
Ellie maybe told, but I think

1177
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,360
she's going to have to go
through some stuff first, yeah.

1178
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,160
But I I don't.
Know.

1179
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:50,320
I almost kind of worried for
Dina.

1180
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,720
Because I'm like.
Dina is the level headed one.

1181
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:56,000
She's the she's the brain, she's
the brains.

1182
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,920
You know, Ellie is the Bron.
She's the brains.

1183
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,840
Yeah.
And Ellie is also reckless.

1184
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,320
And I realize that.
I thought about it.

1185
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,560
She was like that before she
found out she was immune.

1186
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:13,160
Yeah.
She was already a reckless

1187
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,600
individual, OK?
But here's the thing.

1188
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,280
OK, going.
Back to the conversation we just

1189
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,200
had, Why was she being reckless?
It was over a girl.

1190
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,160
Ellie does not think straight
when it comes to relationships

1191
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,480
and her crushes.
This is why we don't need this

1192
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:33,840
right right now between them.
She needs to focus because that

1193
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,760
was the whole thing.
Her her friend, her so-called

1194
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:43,400
best friend at the time left,
came back, took Ellie with.

1195
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,160
Her to the mall they're having.
Fun day.

1196
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,880
And then she finds out she was
like, Oh yeah, well, I wanted to

1197
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,880
share this day with you because
I'm going to be gone.

1198
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,840
I'm I'm, I'm joining the
fireflies.

1199
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,880
And that's when all hell brace
loose.

1200
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,680
But it's because you weren't
where you were.

1201
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,520
Supposed to be.
You weren't doing what you were

1202
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,000
supposed to do.
And I think what's?

1203
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,640
She supposed to kill.
Ellie.

1204
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,400
Because Ellie found out about
them being Fireflies or

1205
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,880
something like that, something
like that.

1206
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:16,200
So yeah, she don't need to be.
In a relationship right now.

1207
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:21,840
Just let let Dana have Jesse for
for a minute, y'all, y'all focus

1208
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,000
on this thing and then after
y'all kill Abby and deal with

1209
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,480
whatever consequences are going
to come after that, 'cause you

1210
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:30,440
know there's going to be
consequences when she does that.

1211
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,880
Deal with that.
And then you can go live your

1212
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:38,600
happy, carefree life with
whoever, with Dina, with just

1213
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:43,440
hell, go live it with both.
But I need you to take care of

1214
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:46,600
business first.
That's where your.

1215
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:48,720
That's where your.
Focus needs to be.

1216
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,880
That's where your priority needs
to be and I need Dina to shut

1217
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,840
her mouth.
If if you got a little crush on

1218
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,560
Ellie, but you don't know how to
say it or you don't know how to,

1219
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,840
just keep that to yourself for
right now, Keep it to yourself

1220
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,040
right now, 'cause it's not gonna
do.

1221
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,040
It's not gonna do Ellie any bit
of good.

1222
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,520
If she's thinking about this and
then she has this other little

1223
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,320
side quest that she's thinking
about.

1224
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,440
She don't need that right now.
Let her focus.

1225
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,080
Then we can do relationship.
Stuff later.

1226
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,400
Y'all can take out y'all.
Can take season 3 and do that.

1227
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,640
No, but you know.
You know what I mean?

1228
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,760
What this?
Episode I feel like.

1229
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,200
It.
Moved a lot slower than what

1230
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,800
we've seen the 1st 2 episodes
but I feel like we kind of

1231
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,880
needed it too.
This was our kind of our catch a

1232
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,680
breath after everything that
happened.

1233
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,000
Cause the last episode was a
lot.

1234
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,400
Not just the Joel and Abby
stuff, the clickers and them

1235
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,400
coming into town and everyone
haven't.

1236
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,720
That was a lot.
That was a lot.

1237
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:01,480
So I think we needed this
episode to kind of breathe and

1238
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:05,080
to kind of collect ourselves for
whatever's about to come next.

1239
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,600
I saw an article on social media
and they were talking about how

1240
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,800
with Joe's death now, The Last
of Us Season 2 has written

1241
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,120
themselves in the corner, and
they're not going to have the

1242
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,360
same momentum.
I'm like he just died in the

1243
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:23,720
last fucking episode.
It's only been only been 2

1244
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,520
episodes.
Right.

1245
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,000
Give it some time like.
And I realized these are

1246
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,400
probably, these are bigger
media, so they probably have

1247
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,680
access to screeners.
They've probably seen maybe a

1248
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,560
couple of episodes or maybe
they've seen the whole season.

1249
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,520
But I just you got to give it
time like.

1250
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:42,440
You.
You don't.

1251
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:46,360
Just kill off a major character
and then expect us to just jump

1252
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:49,040
into the next thing.
We need time to mourn.

1253
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:50,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

1254
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,280
And also I, I.
Do like, 'cause you know, last

1255
01:14:54,280 --> 01:15:00,440
year or last year, last season,
season 1, every episode was a

1256
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,480
hitter.
Every episode they, they, they

1257
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:08,000
got you to like someone sexual
up and that person was dead at

1258
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,800
the end every episode or there
was just a death because I

1259
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,440
didn't like anybody.
In that cannibal episode, and I

1260
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:18,080
was glad for what?
But it was a hard episode

1261
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,440
because of what Ellie had to do.
But yeah, but here it's like

1262
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:26,680
they've taken.
They've decided to do it, taking

1263
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,000
the beast back, like taking it
back a little bit.

1264
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,400
So we're not going to hit you
every episode.

1265
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,960
We're just going to give you a
little bit in the Electric

1266
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,720
County to kind of not push us
and also feel like maybe they

1267
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,960
might be trying to stretch it
out so we can get to a third

1268
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,440
season.
Well, yeah, because they did get

1269
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:50,160
renewed for Season 3.
Right before Season 2 premiered

1270
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,640
and and there's only one way
they can do that.

1271
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,280
Is they got to stretch out?
Yeah, because there's only two

1272
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,000
games, right?
Yeah, it's only two games and I

1273
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:03,840
don't I.
I think I.

1274
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:09,520
Remember the the creator at some
point some interview for season

1275
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:14,920
1, I do remember him saying that
he was not planning to go past

1276
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,360
what has already been done in
the game.

1277
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,960
So it's not going to be one of
those things where he he kind of

1278
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,000
keeps on and create store.
I don't think he's planning on

1279
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,200
doing that.
So Carlos was telling me again

1280
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:30,520
today during our conversation,
he said what they'll probably do

1281
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:35,560
if they're doing a season 3,
depending on what happens in the

1282
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,960
next couple of episodes.
He says he thinks Seattle is

1283
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:44,120
probably where we'll where we
will end season 2 and then what

1284
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,600
happens next in the game will
come in Season 3.

1285
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,560
So again, I don't know what
comes after Seattle.

1286
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,680
I don't know how Seattle ends.
So that would be interesting to

1287
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:56,640
see just kind of where the story
is going.

1288
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,280
But I think we needed the break.
We needed to see certain things

1289
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,440
in this episode.
We needed to see Ellie actually

1290
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,440
listen to someone who.
Was trying to give her.

1291
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:11,040
Advice.
You know, when Jesse tells her

1292
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,160
to write down her thoughts, you
know, she gets she gets

1293
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:15,480
offended.
She was like, yeah, because I'm

1294
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:17,360
stupid.
He said no, because you're angry

1295
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,640
and the council is not going to
make a decision on angry.

1296
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,720
And she actually listened to him
and she made a very heartfelt

1297
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:31,400
speech that I, I feel like was
partially sincere and partially

1298
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:36,480
was bullshit just to get them to
say yes because it's not for

1299
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,880
revenge in her world.
She couldn't, she couldn't see

1300
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:40,080
it.
She.

1301
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,880
Can in her world she couldn't
see them saying no.

1302
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,240
Yeah.
Especially with Tommy being on.

1303
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,240
The thing she's thinking OK is
Tommy's brother is Maria's

1304
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,400
brother-in-law and Jesse was
there.

1305
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,480
And I think those are probably
the only three who actually say

1306
01:17:56,480 --> 01:18:00,840
yes, but.
Back to what you were talking

1307
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,760
about the game, I think, yeah, I
think they said that the game,

1308
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,320
they're done with the game as
far as that story goes.

1309
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:13,400
The only thing I've heard is
rumors of of the DLC of Tommy

1310
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:19,400
and Joel before.
You know we first meet Joel.

1311
01:18:19,480 --> 01:18:22,880
OK, so I.
Just wanted to put it.

1312
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,720
Out there that that that was
something that that was talked

1313
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,360
about.
I mean, like I said, they they

1314
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,840
can do a little.
Flashback of that time because I

1315
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:35,200
need to see the Tommy that Joel
was talking about when he told

1316
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:36,920
Ellie.
Yeah, me and my brother, we did

1317
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,840
some horrible things.
I need to see that version of

1318
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:45,800
Tommy because I I'm sorry.
I understand.

1319
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,440
You're trying to.
Live a better life.

1320
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:51,080
You have a wife, you have a
child that you're thinking of

1321
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,240
you.
You know, he had the

1322
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,640
conversation with GAIL where he
said he didn't want Ellie to

1323
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,800
follow in the same footsteps
that Joe did because he was like

1324
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,840
Joe.
I think he was acting out.

1325
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:04,120
He was, he was angry and he was
doing this and he was doing that

1326
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,960
and that would make sense
because Joe lost his daughter

1327
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,680
and that's when he started doing
crazy shit cuz he was like, oh

1328
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,480
OK, you know what?
I don't have anything to fight

1329
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:14,560
for anymore.
So I'm just going to do what I

1330
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:19,920
need to do.
But I don't know.

1331
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,080
If I feel like Tommy needs to
kind.

1332
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:29,120
Of but Gil said something that.
As soon as he said that, GAIL

1333
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,240
said something that I said I had
turned to Michelle and said it,

1334
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:38,080
and then GAIL said it, that
Ellie and Joel were basically

1335
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:45,240
the same like that they are the
same personality.

1336
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,480
Did you even think of that?
Like, yeah, because he was

1337
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:50,760
trying to.
He was trying to say.

1338
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,920
That he thinks that Joel rubbed
off on her.

1339
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,840
She said, you really think so?
She said, let me tell you

1340
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,200
something.
She said nurture really only has

1341
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,640
about that much to do with it.
She was like, that's nature, She

1342
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,840
said.
I think Ellie and Joel have been

1343
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,080
walking side by side since the
beginning and I think that's one

1344
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,840
of the reasons why they
connected so well was because

1345
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,920
Joel saw a little bit of him in
her.

1346
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,920
You know, she was defiant from
the beginning, even, you know,

1347
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:21,320
when it was them two and test at
the very beginning.

1348
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:24,000
And it was just like, oh, you're
just the mission.

1349
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:27,280
We're we're going to do this.
We're going to take you and go.

1350
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,520
She made jokes about it.
She made it seem like she didn't

1351
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,720
give a fuck.
She, you know, she had that out

1352
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,520
of shell.
And that's the same way Joel

1353
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:40,800
was, you know, up until Ellie
and he even told her that.

1354
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,760
And deep down inside, both of
them are just.

1355
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:48,080
Big softies.
Right, right.

1356
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:55,160
So big softies who are very
loyal and who will do anything

1357
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:57,920
for each other.
And I think I.

1358
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,160
I hate to say.
It.

1359
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:05,920
But I think now Ellie is
probably understanding better

1360
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:11,480
than anything what Joel, you
know, why Joel did what he did

1361
01:21:11,480 --> 01:21:15,560
in Salt Lake City now.
Because I'm sure if she had had

1362
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:19,520
the opportunity, if she hadn't
gotten caught when she shot at

1363
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,480
Abby in that thing, she would
have killed all of them.

1364
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,360
Yeah.
All she had to do was see.

1365
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,840
Joel in the condition.
He was in to see Dana on the

1366
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:29,080
floor.
They would have been done.

1367
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,840
And that's why I still think
they're going to be done.

1368
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,520
She's not going to.
I don't think she's going to

1369
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,280
have any remorse.
I don't think she's going to

1370
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,880
have any second thoughts.
She's going to be like, Oh no,

1371
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,800
I'll kill y'all and maybe I'll
think about, I'll process what I

1372
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,480
did to y'all later, but y'all
about to die.

1373
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,800
So I'm I'm.
I'm.

1374
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,800
Ready for it.
I just want to see what she's

1375
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,760
going to do because I hear that
in the I hear that in the game,

1376
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:58,000
she's a beast as well.
Like the way that she goes after

1377
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,480
Abby, I've heard is frightening.
I want to see it.

1378
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,560
I, I, I do.
Because also.

1379
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:10,800
Too, You have to realize, we've
been watching Bella Ramsey since

1380
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,920
she was on Game of Thrones and
she was way younger than and she

1381
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,560
was a powerhouse then.
I think she was 9 when she

1382
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:25,280
started doing Game of Thrones
and I know that she can elevate

1383
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,920
her game when it comes to this
acting thing.

1384
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:30,640
I'm ready to see what she's
going to do.

1385
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,560
I'm just ready.
But I, I, I want to see that.

1386
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:40,920
I want to see Tommy kind of go
back into that old version of

1387
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,600
himself, and I don't want to see
Dina die.

1388
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:51,680
I don't know if that should just
be expected, because you can't

1389
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,200
tell me that somebody else isn't
going to die in the show.

1390
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,720
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know if it's going to be

1391
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,400
from clickers.
I don't know if it's going to.

1392
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:04,760
Be from the wolves, whatever,
but those, those are kind of the

1393
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:08,200
things I want to see for the
remainder of the season and I

1394
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,400
would like to OK, we've had one
whole episode without him.

1395
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,280
I need y'all to start back with
the Joel flashbacks.

1396
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:19,000
I I need them starting next next
episode.

1397
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,720
I need a Joel fix.
I need a Joel.

1398
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:25,680
Fix so.
Yeah, and it's so sad because

1399
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:29,600
I've been watching all these
little interviews with Pedro

1400
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:34,880
Pascal just lately, and I'm just
like, we didn't.

1401
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,200
See him this week?
Like his name?

1402
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,200
Wasn't in the credits and then
you had, like I said, the little

1403
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,560
cordycep thing where it was just
I was like y'all disrespectful

1404
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:45,800
y'all?
It's too slow.

1405
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,880
It's at this point this is.
This is rather than the end.

1406
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:55,120
Now.
So yes, I need to fix.

1407
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,560
I need the flashbacks.
And I really, I really do want

1408
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:03,280
to see how that conversation
with Ellie went when he told her

1409
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:07,320
about which what he did, because
I do know that there's, there's

1410
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:12,320
a, there's a clip of her out
there just looking at him with

1411
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,720
so much anger.
She was like, you promised.

1412
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:19,640
And I was like, oh, she's either
talking about the fact that he

1413
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,400
promised he would get her there
or the fact that he promised

1414
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,160
that what he told her about how
the fireflies die was true.

1415
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:28,760
Either way it goes, it's going
to be a painful episode.

1416
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:34,160
But I want to see them do that.
I need to see that interaction

1417
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,520
between them because that's
also.

1418
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,560
Going to inform I think.
How Ellie moves forward with

1419
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:46,280
her, her search for Abby and
whatever it is she plans to do

1420
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,320
after, 'cause I know she said
she was going to use Joe's gun

1421
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,520
to kill Abby.
I don't know if she's going to

1422
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:58,600
let it be that quick after.
What Abby did.

1423
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:06,440
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't, but I don't know.

1424
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:08,000
Maybe she's just like, OK, you
know what?

1425
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,640
Let.
Me just find her and kill her

1426
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,840
and just get it over with so I
can go home 'cause I'm sure she

1427
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,600
don't want to be.
She don't want to be where she

1428
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,760
is.
Now, So yeah, I think that's the

1429
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,880
same gun he used to kill.
Abby's father.

1430
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,280
'Cause I don't think he shot him
with a rifle.

1431
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:27,960
Oh yeah.
No, no, no.

1432
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,320
I I think you're right.
I think you're right, yeah.

1433
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:36,920
Because yeah, he.
Did kill him with a handgun.

1434
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:41,760
Because he had run out of rounds
and the automatic rifles he had.

1435
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,120
So OK, that'll be poetic.
Come full circle.

1436
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:52,480
Yep.
OK.

1437
01:25:54,640 --> 01:26:00,080
There was a moment in this
episode that I feel like kind of

1438
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,120
got me here.
And it was when they when she

1439
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:10,040
did finally go see Joel's grave.
And I was just like, OK, I

1440
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:11,480
guess.
I felt a little.

1441
01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:17,360
Bit of kind of sort of closure
because like you can't mistake

1442
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:18,520
that.
His name is.

1443
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,640
On the tombstone.
And, you know, you know, we

1444
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,520
always make this joke and we're
talking about dead people.

1445
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,240
We're like, OK, well, you know,
they showed us the body, but

1446
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,200
technically speaking, they
didn't show us the body.

1447
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,640
We didn't see him, you know,
once they came out of the lodge.

1448
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:37,440
But I know it's him.
We saw the girls.

1449
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,520
I know, I know a Golf Club
shaft.

1450
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:46,120
I know, I know.
That's why I know.

1451
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:50,280
I know.
So the fact that we saw a grave,

1452
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:57,520
I kind of feel a little bit.
But I, I I still I need more.

1453
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,040
I just need more.
Joel, I just need to put Pedro

1454
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,120
Pascal back on my on my screen
please.

1455
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:04,640
Thanks.
I I thought the coffee beans was

1456
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,680
a was a.
Good was a good thing and and

1457
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,120
the fact that she kind of she
was able to smile.

1458
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:15,520
When she did that, you know, I
was like, OK, OK, I, I, I felt a

1459
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,320
little bit of her healing right
there.

1460
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,600
But then it's like, almost
immediately it's like she

1461
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,240
laughed.
And then she looked at the grave

1462
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,080
again, like, wow, I'm never
going to do this with you again.

1463
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:29,400
Like, this is it?
And you feel her pain.

1464
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:33,760
But like I said, I need Pedro
back on my screens pronto.

1465
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:38,240
Thanks.
I don't have anything else to

1466
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,640
say.
Neither do I, OK.

1467
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,280
So we're almost.
At the halfway point next, next

1468
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,200
week will be the halfway point
and we'll see how how fast it's

1469
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,200
going to kick off from there
'cause you know, at this point

1470
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,720
now they really got to get into
the story.

1471
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:55,800
They got to get some action in
there.

1472
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,000
They got to get some kind of, I
don't know, some kind of

1473
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,640
confrontation.
Even if we got to move, we got

1474
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,320
to move forward.
They can't drag it out.

1475
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:09,600
Yeah, I I get.
It I don't like it, but I get

1476
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,680
it.
Like I said, put Pedro back on

1477
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,920
my screen next week, please.
Thanks.

1478
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,600
Flashbacks.
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1479
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,560
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1480
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:25,320
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1481
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:27,000
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1482
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:29,240
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1483
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1484
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,440
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1485
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,200
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1486
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