The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 3 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #353

0:24 What's up, hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Anthony and we are discussing episode 3, Season 2 of The Last of Us. I wasn't white. Recovered from last week. Did. You skip the recap. I skipped the recap. No I didn't. No I didn't. I watched it, but The funny thing is after the recap, of course you know the the opening credits play. And this time I had thought I was like OK, I'm going to skip the opening credits and I was like no, I'm just going to let them play. So I'm just on my phone, just whatever. While it's playing in the background, you know in the background it has a little thing with the Cordyceps kind of going through.

1:12 Then it ends up at the end with the 2 little figures of Joel and Ellie. I happened to look up right at the end and noticed it was only Ellie. It was only like. I said y'all just going to start us out this way huh? Just hit me in the gut. OK. Then we get the opening scene with not only the burning bodies of all the the clickers, but you have someone from the town who is cleaning Joel's body. And we know it's him. He's he's covered up. But you see the watch, the damaged watch that Sarah gave.

1:55 And when Tommy walks in the room, he just kind of looks, she gets up and she she passes the, the sponge off to him. And then he just kind of looks at his brother. He takes the the thing off his face and just stares at him. And I was just like, I don't know if I'm, I, I thought they were going to show it to us. I really did. So I was preparing myself for that. And they didn't show it to us, but they did show us Tommy's face. And it's almost like, it's almost like Tommy looked at him and realized whatever, whoever this was that did whatever to him, this was personal.

2:36 You know, it wasn't just somebody randomly come in and OK, oh, I found this random person I'm going to kill. No, it was very personal. You could tell. Like I said last week, you could tell by the damage she inflicted on his face. You know, it was personal. He sits down. He starts, you know, cleaning his arm. He sees the watch. And the only thing he says in the whole thing is give my love to Sarah. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna kill us this episode. I was really expecting, like, a lot of a lot of heartbreak. And I don't know, I kind of feel like because they did a three month time jump, I feel like I didn't really get what I needed to get out of this episode.

3:27 You know what I'm saying? I feel like I needed, I needed more time to mourn. I needed, I don't know, I'm one of those people's like, I don't know, I I needed to see more of Tommy and Ellie, like actually going through the whole mourning period. I mean, we got a little bit of that, but I just, I don't know, I just. How how many episodes do they have this season? 8. Yeah, they, they don't have time. They got time for your tears. Yeah. Move on, you guys, move on. But it just, I don't know, it just feels so. I mean, what you want three months of them just walking around moping? And being sad.

4:09 No, I. Didn't know how much time is Joel and Oh my God nobody wants that this is bad I just. Feel like, I don't know, I just felt like there was a little bit more that we could have had. I mean, Joel was the main character aside from Ellie. You know, we followed this character for overseas and all, you know, a season and a couple of episodes. I just felt like his death was just kind of swept to the side a little bit, you know what I'm saying? Like we didn't get a chance to mourn him the way we need to mourn him. They could have added a extra 5-10 minutes.

4:50 I. Feel I feel differently. I feel like his death is almost like central now. It's it's like looming over every scene. I do feel, I do feel that part, but I I, I think I need. You, you don't have the, the, the grief, you haven't felt that grief. It's going to be interesting when we do the do the panel to see how 1 feels about this. And I may change my mind once it gets further into the season because I mean, just kind of how fast they're going. Like in this episode, Ellie is already in Seattle. So I feel like it's going to move fast and they'll probably kind of flashback to that three month period and kind of give us something else. And plus, like I said, I know that we're not done seeing Joe for this season because we're going to get some flashbacks of the conversations he had with Ellie, but it's still I just. Yeah, I feel like we're going to get, we're going to get flashbacks of the five years, not just we, we probably only need 3 month flashbacks, but I think the five year time jump, we're going to get a lot of flashbacks. Yeah, I just, I don't know.

6:04 I just felt like I need it. I, I don't know, I, I, I feel like I don't have enough closure. Like we saw his grave. We heard Tommy and Ellie talk about him. We saw Ellie go through the house and, you know, it's kind of breakdown, those walls. But I just, I don't know. For me, it wasn't enough, you know, and maybe that's just because I'm, you know, I live in a world where we actually have like wakes and funerals. And I know that they said they had funerals during that time because Ellie was in the hospital for three months. But I just, I guess I felt like I needed to be a part of it. And now I feel, I kind of feel like something's missing.

6:45 It's like you've been left out of the grieving process. Yes, yes, that. And not only that, that's adding to my rage because I'm really like, I really want you to find this bitch and kill her. But I know there's some other things that have to happen in between that. But yeah, I just, like you said, I feel like I've been left out of the grieving process. Like you went from, you went from us seeing Joe's body to seeing Ellie in the hospital, waking up with the vision of him being, you know, killed. And then it's three months later and, you know, the town has started to move on there. You know, some people are smiling and laughing and stuff. And it's like, you really don't think about that in the course of watching fiction.

7:28 Or at least I don't. I'm always like, oh, they should still be sad. But then when I think about it in real life, we have to move on when death happens. It's just so odd because like I said, I feel like it just, there was a little piece of it missing for me. But that's just me. I just. I know. I'm good. I was fine. We can move on. I don't need it. Yeah. I, I, I think part of the issue is I'm still not, I'm still processing the fact that this happened so early in the season, you know, like I was expecting at at least midway maybe, but it happened so quick and it's like now we have to watch the show without him. And I'm just, it's going to be interesting to see what that's like because the dynamic with him and Ellie for me, kind of, you know, it, it, it made the show. It is what it was.

8:23 It was the. Engine of the show. Yeah, so now we have to see her and how she reacts with other people and how she's going to deal with her grief. And I I kind of love seeing her coming out, you know, getting ready to leave the hospital when she's having the conversation with the doctor and with what's her name, Is it Grace the the doctor? OK. And it's interesting because she is, she's being a smart ass, but she's trying not to be a smart ass. But it's almost like she's being the smart ass trying not to be the smart ass. You know, it's kind of like she's, she knows she needs to say certain things in order for them to kind of leave her alone. But she's saying it so sarcastically and it's so obvious that she's just like, well y'all just fuck off and let me go.

9:21 And I was just like, it seems, I don't know, I just, it's so weird seeing her have that vibe with other people when Joel is not there in the picture. And I think that was kind of what threw me off in the first episode, too, because you really didn't see them interact with each other. And you hear her talk about kind of their a little bit about their relationship in this episode because Grace asked her. She was like, so the last time, you know, that fight during the New Year's Eve party was at the last time you spoke to him. And she was like, yeah. And she's like, OK, well, do you regret it with duh? That's how I felt like Ellie wanted to ask, like, with duh, of course.

10:04 But I do like the line that she said. Your last moment with someone doesn't define your whole relationship. Right. And I love that she said that, but it's all it's it's also still like, you know, that's eating her, you know, that's eating at her. But I don't know, OK, I'm going to get off my soapbox. I'm just, like I said, I I, I felt like I needed to be a part of that grieving process and I don't feel like I got what I needed. The writers said no, we're moving on. And you know what, the writers will probably stick that in one of the other episodes later and it's going to hit hard then.

10:44 I I just have a feeling it's kind of going to be like that. Like, I don't know, maybe when she finally gets to Abby. Like I said, I don't know what happens in the game, so I don't know how that conflict is resolved. I don't know if she actually kills Abby. I don't know if Abby kills her. I don't know what that what that resolution is, but I don't know. I just have a feeling it's about to be a painful one to watch and also trying to watch her get to it. I think it's going to be a little, yeah. But anyway, OK, let's move on to some more interesting stuff. How did you feel about all the all The Walking acid? But before we get to The Walking, I just wanted to point out what what is What's Spider Man's name? What's that boy's name?

11:34 Tom Holland. No, no, no, no. Although I call him Spider man but the the best friend that was helping her with the punching back. Jesse. Jesse when I think they were trying to prove a point to us with Tommy, because Tommy was trying to drive the post. He couldn't quite muster up the strength. I mean, if this comes over, he just. His nice muscly arms and. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, yeah, y'all are y'all are y'all living still there? Tommy's not going on this trip. Yeah, it's not like, not like in the game. It's going to be completely different. Yeah, but I don't know, I I kind of wonder if Tommy is going to end up heading to Seattle just because of the fact that Ellie left.

12:23 I don't think so. You don't think so? I think they're trying to give a subtle hints that he he's he might be past his prime. Of course I want to believe that though, because. I don't either. I don't either, but. Because I hear he's quite a beast in this game. He's a monster. Yeah, and I kind of there's. One part. There's one part of the game this is not really, it's not really a sport, but there's one part of the game where when you're playing is heavy and someone is like sniping at you and almost killing you and you realize it's Tommy. Yeah, I literally had this conversation earlier today when I was at work. Carlos, our friend who is also a gamer and who was on our gaming episode at the end of Season 1, he came up to me at the desk. And he was like, so how are you doing? And it took me a minute to realize what he was asking me. And I was like, I'm still not there yet. And so we got to talking about a little bit about the game. And, you know, he was telling me about changing the point of views from who you're fighting with in the game. And he was like, yeah, He was like, the good thing about this show is they're giving us a little bit more background on Abby because in the game, we didn't know anything about her. We just knew we were pissed off.

13:43 Like there was just anger, anger, anger. She kills him and we're like, what the fuck? And then to add insult to injury, you make me play as her in part of the game. So we were having that conversation and he was telling me he was like, yeah, he said I do like the fact that they gave Tommy his hero moment in the town. He said cuz the town did not happen in the game. Yeah, we talked about that. Yeah, I talked to him about that today too, that Tommy did get the hero moment. Yeah, but he was like, but in the game, Tommy was a beast. I said yeah, I'm. I'm kind of hoping that will still happen at some point in this show because I need to see it. I need to see the Tommy that Joel and Tess were talking about way back when. You know, yeah, 'cause it's like when, when, when Ellie and Dana get to Seattle, there's body bags everywhere. WLF body bags everywhere.

14:40 That was Tommy. Oh, OK. One man army. But you know what? I'm just, I'm just going to I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope we still get to see some version of that in this show. Because it's it's almost like I kind of feel the way Ellie felt when she when she finally learns the truth from Dana about the wolves. And you know, she gets names, she knows where they are and when, when they take it to Tommy and Tommy was like, hold up. I got to think. And she's like, what the fuck is there to think about? Let's go kill these, you know? In the game he is, he's guilty about what happened.

15:23 Right. And it's also it turns into rage and I don't see this time me as being enraged. He's not anywhere near that level yet. And you know what? I don't think he's going to get that. I think they've, I think they've decided to write this differently. OK, But I do see that point of view also because I I'm starting to think, well, one of the things we do kind of realize in this episode when Grace is talking to Ellie, is her Grace or am I thinking about sinners? I think it is Grace.

16:07 OK. But the one thing that we do find out kind of sort is like, kind of confirmed in this episode when Ellie is in the hospital and she's a GAIL, that's her name. And when she's talking to GAIL, GAIL brings up the last time she spoke to Joel. And she was like, you know, the last time I spoke to Joel, he said he had wronged you. And you could tell from Ellie's face that she knew what was coming. She knew what she knew what Joel had wronged her about. But she didn't know if GAIL knows the man. She was like wrongs me. What do you mean?

16:48 She said, yeah, he wronged you. But then he said something that was in complete opposite of that. He said I saved her and Ellie was like, well, he saved me lots of times. But you could just tell from the the kind of. Her whole demeanor changed. Her whole demeanor changed, and that's one thing I want to say about Bella Ramsey in this episode. She spoke volumes with just her face and they were so subtle. In that scene, she had three different shifts. Yes. And then when she was walking out the hospital, every time she passed a a part where her face was shadowed, you could see her face just suddenly shift. But it was so noticeable. And she was so good at doing that because, you know, with Ellie, she tries to keep up a mass and she tries to keep people at arm's length.

17:36 But Oh my God, her face even the switest the the switest even the slightest twinge the whitest. I know I was saying switest, but even the slightest change, it was so noticeable and I was just like, wow, she is like she is really acting her butt off without having to do a whole lot. You know, everything about her in this episode for the most part was body language. You can see it in her face. You can see it in the slump of her shoulders, just the way that she was walking and it was almost like she was just devoid of feeling like she there was no movement to her walking.

18:17 There was no rhythm to her walking. She was just kind of she was walking like a zombie, you know, and then everything echoes on her face. Her face was so blank up until she saw, you know, the wood carvings and then she saw the box with the watch. The watch kind of got her. And then when she saw the closet, she just couldn't hide it anymore because there were his clothes right there. But she was so good in this episode. But I I kind of feel like Ellie. I'm like, what do you mean? You got to think about it. We have to have these rules and stuff. And I kind of, I kind of understand Ellie because I think for her as well, she didn't really have a grieving period.

19:01 Like she was in the hospital for three months, which didn't they just like kick her. I was trying to figure out why she was in the hospital for three months. He. Kicked her pretty hard in the rib. Probably cracked the rib. OK, OK. But she was in the hospital recovering for three months, so she also didn't get to go to a funeral. When she comes out the hospital, you know, pretty much life has gone back to the way it was. You know, they're trying to rebuild the town. They're trying to reinforce the walls and all this other stuff. So I, I felt her anger because I, like I said, I, I feel like her, I didn't get a chance to grieve. And now we have a chance to go and try to make this, well, not necessarily make it right, but we get to go, you know, get justice or seek revenge. Because I, I heard what you were saying, Ellie, about this is not revenge.

19:52 This is about just, no, this is about revenge. This is about revenge that girl gave him coldly. Seth made a good point though. He did. He's like, if you if first of all, if you don't think that at some point they're going to come for us because they think we're weak and we have resources. I mean, you, you pretty much inviting this back to you. But at the same time, I would have said, well, in that case, just prepare because if you go there and do this, then they're going, you're going to start a war. Yeah.

20:38 I mean, and you don't know what they got, just like they don't know what you got. Right. And you're going to start a war and you don't know what you're going to be going up against. Right, because at least in at least right now, from just from what we can tell, from what we've seen, it's possible they would never come back to Jackson Hole because as far as Abby and her friends, nor at least even just Abby, it's gone. I mean, she saw the clickers. She saw how many clickers there were. And they knew that that was what Joel was worried about when they brought him to the lodge or when she brought him to the lodge. He was trying to get back to the town. So in her mind, that's how it could be gone right now because of all the clickers and she's it.

21:23 Could be, it could not be. They have power and you know that that is something you'd be interested in. Oh, well, yeah, trying to figure out figure out how they did that. But still, it's kind of like. And if you have a large enough force, OK, first of all, if they're in Seattle, settling in small towns, it's not a small city. So they had to clear that place out where they're really good at dealing with a large number of clickers. So they want to send a large enough force to clear the town out to get whatever resources is left based on the clickers. You know what I'm saying?

22:06 But that's. A long way. Are you sure? Because they didn't make it seem like it's a long way. They rode horseback and they basically got their IF. OK, You asked about how I felt about them walking in the wilderness. This was fine because we were spared an entire episode of them just camping and walking and camping and poor shimmer. You know what I mean? Poor, poor shimmer. And I know Bill and Rams is probably like 85 lbs. So it's probably like can a grown man can a twive them?

22:49 But that's a that's still a long way long. Distance, yeah, 'cause. 'Cause where are they? They're in Colorado, right? The Jackson is in Colorado. They're in Wyoming. It's in Wyoming. That's right. It's in Wyoming. They're in Wyoming. So, you know, a few 100 miles, it's still a long way. Yeah, it is, especially when you're you're light on provisions, you don't have a lot of food, you know, you don't have a lot of supplies because you're trying to travel light, you're trying to travel quick just in case, you know, something pops off. So yeah, I get it. I. Understand Seth, I understand this point and I think it's somewhat valid. It's been 3 months. No one's come for them. But you know the way these scenes work, you know, I watched some of The Walking Dead.

23:33 I listen to y'all podcast. The communities don't just live in a bubble and don't get messed with. At some point they don't, especially when they have resources. And Jackson had a good long run. They did. And the resources, the main resources, People, people. These are good, healthy people. Yeah. And that's a lot. Of them. And they did. But that's how you build your community. So if you're in Seattle, you're trying to build a big community, people. That's very powerful resource. And I don't know if they build the community, they build the army based on what we saw at the end, it's.

24:14 What it looks like the Western Liberation Front, because apparently, I guess Federer must still be pretty big because they're people are still concerned about Federer so. But yeah, that that that little army at the end, I was like, oh, OK, so y'all, it might take more than the two of y'all to bring this down. Like y'all don't know Rick and Michelle, y'all not gonna bring a whole a whole military outpost down They're. Not. No. Be a good sniper.

24:57 She, you know, Remember when we first saw her? Yeah. She was being he. Tom was teaching how to snipe. And she got a better gun. They gave her a better rifle so I already see what is going. Let's. Talk about Seth for a minute. Because out of all the people in town to be her staunchest ally in this this endeavor, I was not expecting it to be him. And I feel huh it. Makes sense though. It does. Makes sense he despite what he said I I feel like he really respects Tommy and now Tommy and they probably were kindred spirits because they're very similar in in the kind of people they are.

25:46 So if anyone was going to be pissed off by it would be sad. Yeah. I mean, and he that's why I say it makes perfect sense for him to be that way because how dare they come here and kill this person who I respected and I love and probably the only person who could keep me in check. Yeah, you know what I mean. And I mean, Joel was the person who was helping that town stay afloat. He was the one that was showing them how to build things and how to expand and all this other stuff. I would be pissed too because you didn't just take someone who was important to the community. And I understand what the other girl was saying.

26:26 Yes, they all lost someone because of the clickers and everything. But again, this was personal. This was someone who obviously very purposefully sought out this person and killed him. And going back to what I was going to say about Tommy earlier, I have a feeling that, and I think we discussed this in the last episode, I have a feeling that Joe probably told Tommy about what he did in Salt Lake City. And I think when Tommy was looking at his brother, when he pulled back the sheet to look at Joe's face, and he just kind of looked at him expressionless for a minute, and then you saw his face change.

27:12 I think that was him realizing that whatever he did in Salt Lake City called up to him. And I don't know, maybe one of the reasons why Tommy decided to stay back or he he couldn't go. Yeah. It might have had to do with his age because I know he's younger than Joel. I don't remember by how many years. But Joel, I think I saw somewhere that said he was 61. So that means Tommy would be in his probably mid to late 50s. Tommy may have decided, OK, you know what, yeah, they're going to go after them. But if this was that personal, that person may come back and maybe Tommy felt like he needed to be there just in case. Like you said, if they're, if they're Raiders, if if they decided, oh, they have resources, they have electricity, we need to go and figure that out. Maybe Tommy was like, yeah, maybe I need to stay here just in case something else happens.

28:13 And I do also like Seth because this is like, if I wasn't hurt, I'd be with you. And I believe him. I believe, I believe that he would go with them. I took some friendly fire. She was like, you sure was friendly because he got hurt when Joel tackled him, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. So. But I believed him. He did I. Did too. Oh, because he was fired up when he got up. I was looking. I was like. Oh, the person was like, he probably I thought, oh, isn't it nice? Seem damn realizing now he he wasn't being nice to him. Yeah, he. Wasn't this wasn't just about making amends? He was really pissed off. He really was. He was really pissed off. He was like, yeah, and if they come back, if they come back and you know, and and try to take this town, it OK, y'all would deserve it because y'all are just sitting there allowing them to get away with this. He was like they came into our house and took one of our. Own.

29:12 Yeah. And then he proved his point. They cut to the kids playing baseball on the field. They're soft. I was so confused when that happened. I was like, I was like, am I watching an ad? Because I you know, when I re signed up for Max, I just did the one with ads. I was like, you know what? I'm only going to have it probably just for this and then I'm going to take it off. I'm not paying extra extra $8 for no ads. So when the cat to the baseball game, I was like, what kind of ad is this? And then I saw GAIL sit and I was like, oh, this is the show. I was like, wow, y'all got that many kids running around that y'all can make a baseball team.

29:54 Yeah, but but the point is they soft the soft and that's where and they. Got complacent which? We've seen, we've seen that happen in The Walking Dead. Yes, and and The thing is. Or Maggie in charge. They had Maggie. Maggie was in charge. They hunt them. They hunt them down. Yeah, but but that's my thing because it's like, why were you sitting in stands playing baseball? And I, I get it. It's been 3 months. They've had time to grieve, they've had time to start the healing process. Life goes on, I get that.

30:36 But your town was almost wiped out. Not by people, by them fucking clickers. By so many clickers. Y'all didn't even know we're that close to your town. How are you this relaxed right now? Wow. I mean, yeah, I get it, the snow has melted, there's nowhere for them to hide right now. But you already have a eyewitness account of them being smarter. And then you have what happened in the winter happened with all of them just coming up out the the ice. And I granted, I know that nobody else saw that, but those thousand clickers didn't just come from nowhere.

31:24 Y'all are letting them get too close to you. And that's going to be a disaster because like Ellie said in her speech, she was like, you know, community is not about, you know, parties and New Year's Eve parties and even building walls. She was like, cuz that thing got fucking broke, broken through. It took what, three hits from that bloater and that was it, that was it. But y'all sitting there playing baseball. I, I was just kind of looking at some of this stuff in this episode. I was like, you know what? I just, I, I don't know, I don't know, like I get you can't live in fear all the time but y'all just got invaded by 1000 damn clickers. Y'all should not be playing T-ball right now. I have a question from season 1.

32:19 You remember they did federal take kids and start training them as children. Yes they do. They what Ellie was, she was in that program. So, you know, maybe some of these people remember that and they don't want their kids to be like that. But I'm like, there's a reason for that. They live in a world where they're going to need to be able to to fight things that you can't talk to or reason with. Right. Or bargain with. And I get I get one of your children to have a childhood still. I get wanting them to kind of be carefree and not think about the big things because, you know, in our that would be a grown up problem.

33:04 It would be a grown up problem. But those things don't discriminate against, you know, between adults and children and your children. Yes, I know you guys have this plan of, you know, if something happens, if Raiders come, if clickers come, you send the children and the elderly down to the basement and lock them in. Those kids need to, I hate to say it, hate to say it, they need to see what what's going on in that world and they need to know more than just to run and hide. Because at some point, they're going to be the ones that are the adults and they're going to need to be, they're going to need to know how to take care of themselves. Yeah.

33:49 And. And not not just with the clickers, but I mean just even in the town. I think that was also something that they were trying to tell us with Tommy not being able to hit the post and then Jesse coming in. It's like, OK, you know what? It's about to start ushering in the new generation. They're going to be the ones that have to take over. I think even Ellie said something about it in the last episode about Jesse. She said we all know you're going to be in charge of Jackson one day. She said that to him. So I think they're showing us that. But if if your children aren't prepared, there's not going to be a future in Jackson. How many babies were they taken down into the basement? A. Lot.

34:30 You know, it's just kind of like, yeah, I don't, I don't know, it just it, it was a very weird contrast to me because again, like for me, Joel just died the last episode. All the townspeople just died in the last episode. I just feel like y'all should still be cautious, even if not in mourning. Still be cautious, you know how, how is the the wall doing? How are your buildings doing? Is everything reinforced because those clickers got through? They got through the wall. They were busting through doors and windows. And do y'all really have the resources to fix all of that? Because if so, I I I need to go to Jackson Hole when the apocalypse hits.

35:24 Maybe, but I don't know if they got clickers hiding in the snow, that may not be where I want to be. I might need to just stay my ass in Georgia. Right. But let's talk about a conversation between GAIL and and Tommy. GAIL is like, oh, you think she's lying? Oh, she's a liar. Oh, she's a liar. Yeah, like I said, GAIL was peeping their face in the hospital. GAIL was like, he's. Like there's a difference between lying and being a liar. Oh, she's a liar. I know she's a liar. I mean, she's telling the truth. She, I mean, because we know this Ellie, Ellie is a pretty practiced liar, you know?

36:13 Her Her life now is deception. She has to hide where she is. And that's, you know, that's the thing I thought, I thought she was freaking out in the promos when she wakes up in the hospital because, you know, they're doing, they have a tube going into her. And I don't, I don't know what that tube was doing, but I was like, oh, maybe they're not supposed to be doing that. Because, you know, we talked about this. We were like, OK, they didn't do any tests when they had her in Salt Lake. They were just going to be like, oh, OK, we're just going to play around in her brain and see if we can figure out how to kill the Cordyceps. And I'm like, oh, they actually like they have a running hospital.

36:59 They have a place that is, you know, they have the machinery, they have the equipment. And I was thinking, I was like, oh, maybe this is not a good thing. And maybe it still isn't a good thing nothing came of it in this episode. But that's not to say that later on that doctor might not look at her blood and be like, there's something interesting here. I still say that little boy had changed too fast when she started trying to put her blood in his womb, so I'm just saying just because she's immune doesn't mean she isn't a walking functioning clicker. Yeah. High functioning.

37:44 So another thing that I like about this episode is I would say Dina is very much growing on me, but also because I love the way that Dina is just basically like, OK, here's the information, this is what we're going to do, blah, blah, blah. And she keeps saying we, we, us, we. And Ellie is letting her do it. That's one thing that kind of irritates me about some shows and movies when you have your friend, your ride or die and they're like, oh, no, I'm going to do this with you. Oh, no, you can't go. I, I I don't want you to get in trouble. Ellie's just like, OK, because I feel like she's, I was thinking about it. It's kind of like the Harry, Ron and Hermione thing. It's like Harry and Rhonda are like, oh, we could do it, but we would die if we didn't have Hermione with us. And I feel the same way with Ellie. Like Ellie is about to go half cocked on everything and Dana is the one that's actually sitting there. She's the cool, she's the calm, she's the one that's calculating.

38:48 She's the one that's thinking, OK, we need this, we need that, we need to take this, you can't wear those shoes, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And somebody pointed it out on social media. I think it may have been on threads. So I didn't know why Isabella Merced looked familiar to me. And it's because she played the live action Dora the Explorer. So somebody was like, she really came up in Ellie's house and was like, you need boots and a backpack and she had them. Wow, wow. I saw that today and I was like. Backpack, backpack, backpack.

39:30 She walked in and asked Ellie. She was like, OK, so what's the plan? What are you going to do? Do you have medicine? Do you have this? Do you have that? How are you going to get there? She was like, I'm going to go northwest. No, you're going to have this trusty map. That's all the map. So we have boots, the backpack, and the map. Wow, wow. Like as soon as they said that I watched the episode again right before we started recording and I was like, now I can't Unsee it. She is going to be Dora for me for the rest of this season. Now our audience is not going to be able to see it either. Backpack, backpack, backpack, backpack. Wow, thanks for that Hunter girl. I had to share it.

40:22 I thought it was so funny because I I had of course I haven't seen the live action door. Like my kids are in their 20s and almost 30 now. So I never saw it in theaters. And how I just kept looking her at her like I've seen her face before, but I don't know what I've seen her on. I saw her on the promos and like the commercials. But of course, this was like years ago. She was a lot younger so when they said that I was like Oh my God, this is in my head now All we need is a fucking monkey to walk past in that forest on. And no, absolutely not. No.

41:04 And what was Stitcher? What was his name? No, you're talking about Swiper. Swiper. Swiper was. The was the raccoon the the thieving raccoon. Swiper no swiping. Yeah, the monkey was Boots. Boots. I know I was trying to remember Swiper's name. Swiper. No swiping. Swiper. No Swiper, so hopefully I won't call her Dora instead of Dina for the rest of the. Season. Oh, no, She's Dora now she's Dora. You can't. You can't take that back. No tape backs. No, no, no tape backs. Season. No. That's Dora.

41:45 From this point forward, Dina will forever be known as Dora. I can't say. Dina. Dinah. Dina. Dina. Dina. No. Dora. Dora. Dora. Master, you got a holster for that gun? Yeah. Yeah, and she did ask her that. She was like, so you got a gun? What you got? She pulls out Joel. Why does Joel's gun look so big compared to Ellie? That thing is like the size of her face, It's huge. It is. And she's like, yeah, this is what I'm going to kill Abby with. I'm like, OK, so she has a plan with that at least. Let's go to a less a less funny or a more serious part of the episode because we are introduced to a new group of people.

42:39 I'll be it very swiftly, but I think the web called them Sarah fights and they're supposed to be like, and they're supposed to be like some type of religious group that, you know, at at the time that we see them in the show, they are actually fleeing, I guess, from a settlement that they weren't in. They're trying to go somewhere else. And you see the daughter, a daughter and her father. They're having a conversation and he's trying to like teach her about their ways and about someone they called the prophet who is no longer with them. But she kind of saw the way things were supposed to be and they kind of followed her teachings and, and you know, the signs that she laid out for them. And they have this system.

43:34 There's, there's a whole group of them walking forward and then there's one lone straggler towards the back. And they have this system where they whistle to each other to kind of let them know their status. Now I'm going to say I understand that might have been a smart method of communication, I just didn't think it was smart. Then because you're walking and you're you're whistling, you're making this loud sound that is very distinctively a communication method. If you are worried enough that you have someone on lookout to make sure that nobody is following you, y'all should have been a little more stealthy than than you were.

44:23 Like you're literally whistling. But a large crowd moving like that is very hard not to leave a trail, so the whistling wouldn't have made that much of a difference because someone already picked up their trail. And when you have that many people, it's kind of hard to hide your trail. Yeah, but you, you literally, it's like you put yourself on a platter was like, hey, here we are. We're right. Whistling. They were already being hunted. The whistling wasn't. And yeah, yeah, the whistling didn't tip anybody off. They were already once. Once someone figured out a large group of people moving, they probably knew who they were or what they were. OK.

45:12 I only know this because I know something 'cause they're in the game, they're in the game too, so. Oh OK, 'cause I was going to say what is the deal with the like they they all have these identical. Slides on their I don't know why they have the scars, but I know that that's the derogatory term used to refer to them, which they don't like. They're called scars and they don't like that. Oh, OK, OK. I don't know. I don't know. I haven't. I don't know that much about them, but I do know that that part that that's a derogatory term. OK, yeah, I I didn't go look it up because I was like, OK, as much as I want the information, I still want to be able to separate game from show.

45:58 So I don't want too much information from the game because I have a feeling if they introduce them in this way and then took them off the board so quickly, I don't think that's the last we're going to hear about them. So I kind of want to learn it organically through the show. Yeah, I think, I think that's right, because why introduce them and then kill them off? Like so quickly. Yeah, I'm. Sure, we'll see them again. What I will say about that group is they did realize that someone was following them. They went to go hide and the the little girl was asking him if it was demons, which I'm assuming that's what they call the clickers.

46:40 And her father said no wolves. So I'm like OK, so that means that the group that Abby was with the Washington Liberation Front, they are hunting these people for what I don't know. But I will say this, I already do not like the wolves because you shot unarmed people in the back. Not once, multiple times. Shooting someone in the back is a sign of a coward. And children. And children, yeah, but in the back like you not even face to face. And what are you going to do?

47:22 They they have like hammers. You have obviously, you have advanced weaponry and you killed all of them. I was like, OK, so you guys are setting it up to let me know that I'm not, you know, in addition to Abby, which again, I can kind of sort of be sympathetic to her reasoning for killing Joel, but that doesn't mean I accept it. But y'all are already telling me that the wolves are people I'm not going to like. Maybe kind of like Federer. I think they don't want us to like the wolves. Yeah, I think we're not supposed to. OK, good. Because if y'all are going to introduce them this way, like, you know, they're killing, coming across the country to kill Joel and now they're hunting down these what seem like peaceful people because they were running away from the war.

48:13 They were like, yeah, we're we're going this way. War is this way. We're going to go this way. We're we're going to. It kind of reminds me of the Tuathlon in a Wheel of Time. I was like, OK, peace loving people, they're going to go OK cool. And then you have this group that just hunts them and guns them down. I was like, OK, so this is how y'all are starting us off with the wolves. Keep that same energy. Don't bring me no bullshit. You know, sob story in episode 6 about why they do the things they do. I don't want to hear it at this point, at this. Point because because people that walk around like this who don't have guns don't harm themselves. They just say they're becoming clickers and that and that's the problem.

49:00 So you go ahead and take care of them now, otherwise you're going to be killing them and they're clickers. But what? Add to the clicker population. But I guess the the problem is they are still human at this point. I know think. That you are so quick to kill them instead of saying, oh, OK, let us take you into our, I don't know, protective custody, Let let us invite you into our kind of like what Jackson does. I mean, granted, bringing all of those people into your community does cause A cause a strain on resources, but guess what? You had more bodies to fight when the time came to it.

49:41 Yeah, but these people were like the twat, the one. They're not from the fight. They still didn't deserve to die like that. They literally. They literally slaughtered them like animals. I don't know, but I'm just saying I'm I'm sure what? Let's back up for a second. What bothered me about this show, and this is just a general statement about shows like this. When you have different factions, why are we all fighting each other like? Survival. They're they're coming away. They come, yeah, but they're coming away from a war. So the war is not with the clickers. The war is probably between factions. Yeah.

50:23 And whoever else, it's like, guys cheer it out. Yeah, you know what I mean, If you if you think about anything that we watch. I know. Especially when it comes to like dystopian apocalyptic stuff. It's about resources. It's about resources and it's always about the people, even with The Walking Dead, that the the real problem isn't the walkers, it's the other people. And in that sense, you know, we always make the joke about when Rick and his folks find a new place, you know that that place falls. But you know what? It's it's kind of the same thing. Especially one if if you are being told OK this is the way it is outside of your walls and you need to adapt so that trouble when trouble finds you, you can handle yourself.

51:15 It would have only been a matter of time before Negan would have found Alexandria. Even before Rick and them were there. The only reason why they realized that Rick and them was there was because they what was it? They pulled Daryl, Abraham and Sasha off the road and they ended up killing their people. They were like, OK, when these people had to come from somewhere in this area and they start looking, but eventually they would have made their way there because that's what they were doing. But it's. The same thing. It's the same thing. Not the Republic, but the other place. They were sending out people to find and infiltrate communities.

51:57 They were doing this. Yeah, right. So it's just I, I don't know why people do that because. Scarcity of resources. Scarcity of resources. Yeah, but if you have more people to find things and to make things, and, you know, maybe that's something going back to The Walking Dead, something similar to what the Commonwealth was doing when they insert people, they basically were like, OK, So what did you do in your past life? How are you going to contribute here? And they made it to a point where they had a functioning society because they had so many different people doing different things and they were able to increase their resources.

52:39 And then there's still that whole train mess that we never found out about. But they were obviously in communication with at least one other community that they were able to trade with. Ideally, you would think that in a in a world like this where there are limited people, there are limited resources, there is this big monster, this big enemy that you know, will cost people if you have to fight them. And, you know, in small numbers, you would think, OK, well, let's band together. Let's try to, you know, let's try to build something. Let's try to create AI don't know if you want to necessarily say a army, but you know, let's let's get enough people to defend where we are.

53:27 Let's have some farmers over here planting, look, planting corn, like the guy was saying in the in the meeting. And I was just like, dude, if you had a little bit more enthusiasm about what you were doing, maybe they wouldn't have all been like, OK, you need to sit down. We want to talk about the real stuff because he was talking about important stuff. He's like, look, we need to get our food and our crops. He's going, he lives in line. He's like, no, it's a difficult crop to grow, but it's a good, it's a good crop. Yeah, and and, and it will be plenty, but I, I don't know why they don't do this. People like the wolves, if that is what they do, if that is what they do again, we we only saw like a glimpse of them towards the end. So we don't know what their MO is, But if that is what they do, if they hunt down people just because, oh, OK, you're weak, you're going to be a liability.

54:21 I just can we can we stop with that? It's The Walking Dead. The CRM did the same thing. You're A's or B's if you're, you know, if you're A, if you're someone who's strong and who, who could possibly like, lead, oh, we're going to kill you because you might be a threat to the way we do things. It's. I don't know. That, that was my point. That's my point. It's like, why, why are we, why are we built this way? You know, this is, it's terrible. I don't know. Yeah. And, and you would think and in shows like this, or even in times like in real life, in war, once you have these these genocides or once you have these wars that kind of wipe things out, they completely change your way of living or whatever, you would think that people will learn, OK, we have to do better so we don't have to go through this again. And for some reason it just never clicks. You still have idiots who want to repeat the same things that were done 40506070 years ago.

55:29 We are seeing that in our present day world, you know, And it's just like, I don't understand, like what is what is so ingrained in humanity that we feel the need to always oppress somebody else? I don't get it. There are worse things out there. It's fear, yes. But all that to say, I'm not liking the wolves from what what I know of them right now. But I'm also fearful now for Ellie and Dana because they've made it all the way to Seattle. They apparently have had no issues making it from Wyoming to Seattle.

56:16 They haven't. They apparently haven't come across any clickers. They haven't attracted anybody else with all the loud talking and games that they're playing on horseback. But it's only two of them. I was watching with Michelle and she was like, why are they making so much noise? And see, Michelle watches walking down with us. This is a conversation we've had before. Like you don't. You are in an area you know nothing about. You don't know what's in this area. You don't know who's in this area. And I'm sorry. I understand. Ellie. You. Yeah, you you are a badass. You are not. I'm about to take out this whole wolf army badass.

56:59 You don't even know that that army is there. You just know that your laser focused on this one chick and her friends because yeah, she's going to kill them all. I she said I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill all of you. Yeah. And I believe she's going to have that happen. What? Jackson Wong Ming is 860 miles from Seattle. Wow. OK. So they've probably been traveling for a couple of weeks at this point. Yeah. Because that one, that one storm can't have been the only storm that they've encountered.

57:44 Like I said, they don't have a lot of food. Game Revolution wrote an article where they said they would take a little over 21 days by horse. Wow. OK. So yeah, a few weeks. Three weeks. And not only that one, you've been on horseback for three weeks and I can tell you just after riding a horse for 20 minutes, your ass is sore. You're talking about you've been on, you've been on horseback, not just by yourself. You are straddling with another person on horseback across rugged terrain.

58:29 Yeah, well, I'm not a cowboy. I'm not a cowboy, but apparently if you know what you're doing it, it's not that bad. I. You know what? They are not Cowboys. Yes, they live in a community with horses, but I don't think they, I don't think either of them have been on a horse for more than 3 for more than three weeks at a time. Not at a time, but they're used to riding horses. They drive them on their patrols so they think what they're doing. And they had good weather. They had good weather. I don't know where you can go to have almost three weeks of good weather. Good weather, no clickers, no other people. They they having a lot of good luck right now. Right now.

59:15 Right now. It's all about to change. But the other thing is too, they didn't take, they didn't take a lot of provisions like, yeah, they may have had some, some snacks and whatever it was that Seth said he put in there, you're not going to tell me that lasted the whole 3 weeks. And even if they rationed it, that means they're not getting full nutritional content. They're not going to be in physical condition to take on whatever they're about to face. They're going to be weak and tired and exhausted. I don't know. You're a beef jerk. You don't take up a lot more. But it's also, but you know what? It's also not very nutritious.

59:56 And and Ellie knows how to hunt, and I'm sure Dora knows how to hunt too. What? What hunting apparatus did you see them take with them With them? Rifles. They got rifles, they got guns. She knows I'm Ellie. Ellie was on the road with Joel for a long freaking time. And I understand that. She knows how to trap a rabbit, trap a squirrel, I'm sure fish. She can do all that. OK. She couldn't have spent all that time with Joel. Where do they go from Boston all the way to Jackson? To Salt Lake and Van to Salt Lake City. Yes, that's a long freaking way.

1:00:46 That's a lot of time and a lot of that was walking. They drove some of it, but a lot of that was walking. They have no horse. Yeah. And they weren't carrying around groceries. You know, you scavenge, you find places that are abandoned, and you find some cans of food. Ellie, this is not her first rodeo. And 860 miles, that's nothing. Oh, really? To her, no. To her, that's that thing. Yeah, she's. Done that before. OK, I'll take your word for it. I'm still, I'm still having a little bit of this, you know, disbelief at some of this stuff. But again, they, they don't show us everything, which you know, I understand, but at least show us something. Show us show, show us them living off the land. Show us them coming across a random person. I don't want to see that.

1:01:49 I want to see that and you know this. I don't want to see that. I'm just saying a little injecting, a little bit of real. Show me point A and show me point BI. Don't need everything in between. I really don't. I don't. I, I would have rather look, I would have rather seen them hunting for animals than having that little conversation in the tent where it seems like Dina is just kind of messing with Ellie about, oh, am I gay or am I not gay? OK, first of all, first of all, first of all, I'm not watching Last of Us. It's not on CW. It's on HBO Max. I don't want this to be ACW. No, that's why I'm saying I don't. I didn't.

1:02:32 Need to see that kind of I. Didn't need to have that conversation like it and it's like I understand maybe they're they might be trying to establish something between Ellie and Dana. I get it. I'm at the point now where I'm like Ellie has other things to think about. She don't need your wishy washy ass like Oh yeah. Well, I'm back with Jesse. Oh, but you know what? I wasn't all that drunk or I wasn't all that high and blah, blah blah. How do I? I didn't need to hear. Y'all could have been on the road doing something else meaningful. I just I guess for this show right now, I'm just that's not what I want to see. Like I understand. OK, Yeah, Ellie probably needs somebody or whatever, but everything that we've seen so far has shown that her romantic escapades don't pan out just like that. That one question then was like the first person you killed. She was like, well, the first person was really fucked up, so I ain't going to tell you about that one. Let me tell you.

1:03:33 Because it was the IT was the girl she had the crush on. She had to kill her when she turns. So there's just other things like I, I'm. Not no, I did not watch this. This is that that's. What I'm saying I I don't want. I don't. The Jesse, Dora and Elliott drama I don't need. I just don't need it. Let's move on. I mean it. I don't see any. I don't see any I don't need. I don't mind romantic relationships, I just. We don't need the drama, we don't need the uncertainty. We don't need, like I said, I I just feel like, and I get it that Dena's character may not she may be confused, she may be conflicted, or she may be she she could be by and just denying that part of her.

1:04:24 OK, you know what? Right now we got more important things to be thinking about. Y'all can talk about this later. Talk about this after y'all kill Abby or? We don't even have to worry about it. We, we understand, can we just, can we just get along? I mean, whatever. I, I don't want people to think that we're just having issues because of the relationship. It's just. No, it's, it's, I mean, anybody who listens to us. Come on, Anthony, now come on. Even if it was Jessie with her and they were having this type of conversation, I'd be like, come on. I don't. I'm not watching this for any romance. You got bigger fish for fry. Right, right, because you're. Out in the middle of nowhere making all this freaking noise. Yeah.

1:05:09 Smoke signals everywhere. Come on, guys. Yeah, yeah. And and Speaking of smoke signals and luck, how about how when they were walking towards Seattle, I was like, I'm surprised that the organization, like WLF don't have scouts and don't have lookouts. Oh, they do have lookouts. And he looking in the wrong direction. It's like y'all so y'all telling us that they seem to be organized but they're actually inept because he's for y'all. Tell me to look 6 to 9 and I'm told now you want me to look 3:00 to 5:00. That's how you missed them. Yeah, yeah.

1:05:51 Because I really thought when when they showed him looking, I thought he was going to say, hey, I see someone on horseback. But instead it was like, oh, no, it's clear. You can come up. And I get it. That's the introduction for us to the wolves. And to see that, oh, you know, Ellie made that comment about, oh, it's about to be a lot less wolves now. Not quite right. Don't y'all got enough of the list? I don't know if 100 rounds is enough. I think that's what Dina told her to bring 100 rounds. So I, I don't, I don't think that's going to be enough because it was it just me or did were they in a truck or a tank? I don't think it was a.

1:06:35 Tank those do like hummers, like military grade. OK. It's 3 or 4 of them. Yeah. So yeah, your your little guns ain't gonna really do too much against that. Armored vehicles. OK, Yeah. Yeah, no. Not gonna do too much and then? Oh, those are. They're like, they're almost like tanks. Oh, are they OK? Yeah, well, they're not tank tanks, but yeah. Some type of military vehicle. Oh, they like amphibious vehicles. They're built like amphibious vehicles. Oh, OK, well, but looking at the preview for the next episode, I think I think Dean is going to find out that Ellie is immune in the next episode.

1:07:36 Because there is. AI haven't seen the promo for the next episode. OK, so in so there there is a promo where they are, I guess they're evading some of the wolves and it looks like they might be evading or being chased by some of the some clickers in a abandoned train. I was like, oh, this has Walking Dead season 10 vibes to it. But I think they get separated at one point and then Ellie comes out and Dina is actually like pointing a gun at her crying. And I was like, oh, she thinks she thinks Ellie's gotten bit and she's like, OK, I'm gonna have to put you down because you got bit.

1:08:18 So I think that might be about to happen, but I don't know, like, I feel like I feel like Ellie is prepared to do what she needs to do. And I do feel like she is. She's probably going to find Abby the same way that Abby found Joel because she has that determination, she has that motivation. I just don't know if she and Dina are going to be able to do it by themselves. I still kind of feel like maybe Tommy will show up, if only to.

1:08:59 Pull them out of the fire. Either to pull them out of the fire or to help them because kind of like what GAIL said, you know, he has now inherited Ellie. You know, she has, she has now become his surrogate daughter or, you know, niece or however you want to call it. And I think he would feel responsible or he would feel guilty or like he's letting Joel down if something happens to Ellie or if he just let Ellie go out on this trip and he doesn't do anything to to find her or to help her. Yeah, but she a grown woman, she can make her own decision. She's 19. She is not grown. The US government says that she's grown.

1:09:40 She didn't to the military. Kids over 20, at 19, they are not grown. You will learn this in a couple of years. They are not grown. Oh no, my child will tell you that she's grown. Tell her to pay some of the bills and see how she how. She changed. That. Oh no, she said. She already going to come back and live with us, she said We. Better not do anything with her room, she said. She'll graduate college, bed, school, and she'll be back. That's not grown. No, I'm just. Joking. I'm just joking. But no. But yeah, I, I, I really want Tommy to kind of find his way into this because I think he needs it for himself too.

1:10:24 Well, I think the show needs it. I think the show's going to. Need it's it's going to need a heavy Dora and Ellie are not going to be heavies No, not in that way. I. Ellie maybe told, but I think she's going to have to go through some stuff first, yeah. But I I don't. Know. I almost kind of worried for Dina. Because I'm like. Dina is the level headed one. She's the she's the brain, she's the brains. You know, Ellie is the Bron. She's the brains. Yeah. And Ellie is also reckless. And I realize that. I thought about it.

1:11:05 She was like that before she found out she was immune. Yeah. She was already a reckless individual, OK? But here's the thing. OK, going. Back to the conversation we just had, Why was she being reckless? It was over a girl. Ellie does not think straight when it comes to relationships and her crushes. This is why we don't need this right right now between them. She needs to focus because that was the whole thing. Her her friend, her so-called best friend at the time left, came back, took Ellie with. Her to the mall they're having. Fun day.

1:11:46 And then she finds out she was like, Oh yeah, well, I wanted to share this day with you because I'm going to be gone. I'm I'm, I'm joining the fireflies. And that's when all hell brace loose. But it's because you weren't where you were. Supposed to be. You weren't doing what you were supposed to do. And I think what's? She supposed to kill. Ellie. Because Ellie found out about them being Fireflies or something like that, something like that. So yeah, she don't need to be. In a relationship right now. Just let let Dana have Jesse for for a minute, y'all, y'all focus on this thing and then after y'all kill Abby and deal with whatever consequences are going to come after that, 'cause you know there's going to be consequences when she does that.

1:12:30 Deal with that. And then you can go live your happy, carefree life with whoever, with Dina, with just hell, go live it with both. But I need you to take care of business first. That's where your. That's where your. Focus needs to be. That's where your priority needs to be and I need Dina to shut her mouth. If if you got a little crush on Ellie, but you don't know how to say it or you don't know how to, just keep that to yourself for right now, Keep it to yourself right now, 'cause it's not gonna do. It's not gonna do Ellie any bit of good. If she's thinking about this and then she has this other little side quest that she's thinking about. She don't need that right now. Let her focus.

1:13:13 Then we can do relationship. Stuff later. Y'all can take out y'all. Can take season 3 and do that. No, but you know. You know what I mean? What this? Episode I feel like. It. Moved a lot slower than what we've seen the 1st 2 episodes but I feel like we kind of needed it too. This was our kind of our catch a breath after everything that happened. Cause the last episode was a lot. Not just the Joel and Abby stuff, the clickers and them coming into town and everyone haven't.

1:13:54 That was a lot. That was a lot. So I think we needed this episode to kind of breathe and to kind of collect ourselves for whatever's about to come next. I saw an article on social media and they were talking about how with Joe's death now, The Last of Us Season 2 has written themselves in the corner, and they're not going to have the same momentum. I'm like he just died in the last fucking episode. It's only been only been 2 episodes. Right. Give it some time like. And I realized these are probably, these are bigger media, so they probably have access to screeners. They've probably seen maybe a couple of episodes or maybe they've seen the whole season.

1:14:37 But I just you got to give it time like. You. You don't. Just kill off a major character and then expect us to just jump into the next thing. We need time to mourn. Yeah. Yeah. And also I, I. Do like, 'cause you know, last year or last year, last season, season 1, every episode was a hitter. Every episode they, they, they got you to like someone sexual up and that person was dead at the end every episode or there was just a death because I didn't like anybody. In that cannibal episode, and I was glad for what? But it was a hard episode because of what Ellie had to do. But yeah, but here it's like they've taken. They've decided to do it, taking the beast back, like taking it back a little bit.

1:15:29 So we're not going to hit you every episode. We're just going to give you a little bit in the Electric County to kind of not push us and also feel like maybe they might be trying to stretch it out so we can get to a third season. Well, yeah, because they did get renewed for Season 3. Right before Season 2 premiered and and there's only one way they can do that. Is they got to stretch out? Yeah, because there's only two games, right? Yeah, it's only two games and I don't I. I think I. Remember the the creator at some point some interview for season 1, I do remember him saying that he was not planning to go past what has already been done in the game.

1:16:17 So it's not going to be one of those things where he he kind of keeps on and create store. I don't think he's planning on doing that. So Carlos was telling me again today during our conversation, he said what they'll probably do if they're doing a season 3, depending on what happens in the next couple of episodes. He says he thinks Seattle is probably where we'll where we will end season 2 and then what happens next in the game will come in Season 3. So again, I don't know what comes after Seattle. I don't know how Seattle ends. So that would be interesting to see just kind of where the story is going. But I think we needed the break. We needed to see certain things in this episode. We needed to see Ellie actually listen to someone who. Was trying to give her.

1:17:08 Advice. You know, when Jesse tells her to write down her thoughts, you know, she gets she gets offended. She was like, yeah, because I'm stupid. He said no, because you're angry and the council is not going to make a decision on angry. And she actually listened to him and she made a very heartfelt speech that I, I feel like was partially sincere and partially was bullshit just to get them to say yes because it's not for revenge in her world. She couldn't, she couldn't see it. She. Can in her world she couldn't see them saying no. Yeah. Especially with Tommy being on. The thing she's thinking OK is Tommy's brother is Maria's brother-in-law and Jesse was there.

1:17:53 And I think those are probably the only three who actually say yes, but. Back to what you were talking about the game, I think, yeah, I think they said that the game, they're done with the game as far as that story goes. The only thing I've heard is rumors of of the DLC of Tommy and Joel before. You know we first meet Joel. OK, so I. Just wanted to put it. Out there that that that was something that that was talked about. I mean, like I said, they they can do a little. Flashback of that time because I need to see the Tommy that Joel was talking about when he told Ellie. Yeah, me and my brother, we did some horrible things. I need to see that version of Tommy because I I'm sorry. I understand.

1:18:45 You're trying to. Live a better life. You have a wife, you have a child that you're thinking of you. You know, he had the conversation with GAIL where he said he didn't want Ellie to follow in the same footsteps that Joe did because he was like Joe. I think he was acting out. He was, he was angry and he was doing this and he was doing that and that would make sense because Joe lost his daughter and that's when he started doing crazy shit cuz he was like, oh OK, you know what? I don't have anything to fight for anymore. So I'm just going to do what I need to do. But I don't know. If I feel like Tommy needs to kind. Of but Gil said something that. As soon as he said that, GAIL said something that I said I had turned to Michelle and said it, and then GAIL said it, that Ellie and Joel were basically the same like that they are the same personality.

1:19:45 Did you even think of that? Like, yeah, because he was trying to. He was trying to say. That he thinks that Joel rubbed off on her. She said, you really think so? She said, let me tell you something. She said nurture really only has about that much to do with it. She was like, that's nature, She said. I think Ellie and Joel have been walking side by side since the beginning and I think that's one of the reasons why they connected so well was because Joel saw a little bit of him in her. You know, she was defiant from the beginning, even, you know, when it was them two and test at the very beginning. And it was just like, oh, you're just the mission. We're we're going to do this. We're going to take you and go.

1:20:27 She made jokes about it. She made it seem like she didn't give a fuck. She, you know, she had that out of shell. And that's the same way Joel was, you know, up until Ellie and he even told her that. And deep down inside, both of them are just. Big softies. Right, right. So big softies who are very loyal and who will do anything for each other. And I think I. I hate to say. It. But I think now Ellie is probably understanding better than anything what Joel, you know, why Joel did what he did in Salt Lake City now. Because I'm sure if she had had the opportunity, if she hadn't gotten caught when she shot at Abby in that thing, she would have killed all of them.

1:21:23 Yeah. All she had to do was see. Joel in the condition. He was in to see Dana on the floor. They would have been done. And that's why I still think they're going to be done. She's not going to. I don't think she's going to have any remorse. I don't think she's going to have any second thoughts. She's going to be like, Oh no, I'll kill y'all and maybe I'll think about, I'll process what I did to y'all later, but y'all about to die. So I'm I'm. I'm. Ready for it. I just want to see what she's going to do because I hear that in the I hear that in the game, she's a beast as well. Like the way that she goes after Abby, I've heard is frightening. I want to see it.

1:22:04 I, I, I do. Because also. Too, You have to realize, we've been watching Bella Ramsey since she was on Game of Thrones and she was way younger than and she was a powerhouse then. I think she was 9 when she started doing Game of Thrones and I know that she can elevate her game when it comes to this acting thing. I'm ready to see what she's going to do. I'm just ready. But I, I, I want to see that. I want to see Tommy kind of go back into that old version of himself, and I don't want to see Dina die.

1:22:45 I don't know if that should just be expected, because you can't tell me that somebody else isn't going to die in the show. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if it's going to be from clickers. I don't know if it's going to. Be from the wolves, whatever, but those, those are kind of the things I want to see for the remainder of the season and I would like to OK, we've had one whole episode without him. I need y'all to start back with the Joel flashbacks. I I need them starting next next episode. I need a Joel fix. I need a Joel. Fix so. Yeah, and it's so sad because I've been watching all these little interviews with Pedro Pascal just lately, and I'm just like, we didn't.

1:23:34 See him this week? Like his name? Wasn't in the credits and then you had, like I said, the little cordycep thing where it was just I was like y'all disrespectful y'all? It's too slow. It's at this point this is. This is rather than the end. Now. So yes, I need to fix. I need the flashbacks. And I really, I really do want to see how that conversation with Ellie went when he told her about which what he did, because I do know that there's, there's a, there's a clip of her out there just looking at him with so much anger. She was like, you promised.

1:24:15 And I was like, oh, she's either talking about the fact that he promised he would get her there or the fact that he promised that what he told her about how the fireflies die was true. Either way it goes, it's going to be a painful episode. But I want to see them do that. I need to see that interaction between them because that's also. Going to inform I think. How Ellie moves forward with her, her search for Abby and whatever it is she plans to do after, 'cause I know she said she was going to use Joe's gun to kill Abby. I don't know if she's going to let it be that quick after. What Abby did.

1:24:59 I wouldn't. I wouldn't, but I don't know. Maybe she's just like, OK, you know what? Let. Me just find her and kill her and just get it over with so I can go home 'cause I'm sure she don't want to be. She don't want to be where she is. Now, So yeah, I think that's the same gun he used to kill. Abby's father. 'Cause I don't think he shot him with a rifle. Oh yeah. No, no, no. I I think you're right. I think you're right, yeah. Because yeah, he. Did kill him with a handgun. Because he had run out of rounds and the automatic rifles he had.

1:25:43 So OK, that'll be poetic. Come full circle. Yep. OK. There was a moment in this episode that I feel like kind of got me here. And it was when they when she did finally go see Joel's grave. And I was just like, OK, I guess. I felt a little. Bit of kind of sort of closure because like you can't mistake that. His name is. On the tombstone. And, you know, you know, we always make this joke and we're talking about dead people.

1:26:23 We're like, OK, well, you know, they showed us the body, but technically speaking, they didn't show us the body. We didn't see him, you know, once they came out of the lodge. But I know it's him. We saw the girls. I know, I know a Golf Club shaft. I know, I know. That's why I know. I know. So the fact that we saw a grave, I kind of feel a little bit. But I, I I still I need more. I just need more. Joel, I just need to put Pedro Pascal back on my on my screen please. Thanks. I I thought the coffee beans was a was a. Good was a good thing and and the fact that she kind of she was able to smile.

1:27:10 When she did that, you know, I was like, OK, OK, I, I, I felt a little bit of her healing right there. But then it's like, almost immediately it's like she laughed. And then she looked at the grave again, like, wow, I'm never going to do this with you again. Like, this is it? And you feel her pain. But like I said, I need Pedro back on my screens pronto. Thanks. I don't have anything else to say. Neither do I, OK. So we're almost. At the halfway point next, next week will be the halfway point and we'll see how how fast it's going to kick off from there 'cause you know, at this point now they really got to get into the story.

1:27:53 They got to get some action in there. They got to get some kind of, I don't know, some kind of confrontation. Even if we got to move, we got to move forward. They can't drag it out. Yeah, I I get. It I don't like it, but I get it. Like I said, put Pedro back on my screen next week, please. Thanks. Flashbacks. So on that note, that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media on all the social media at Phantom hybrid. You can chat with us on our Discord channel. You can watch our videos on our YouTube channel and you can listen to us on all major podcast streaming platforms.

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