The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 4 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #355

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony and we are
discussing episode 4 of the

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second season of The Last of Us
and we got things to say.

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So the title of this episode is
day one by the end of the

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episode cause at first I was
like what is day one of what?

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I'm thinking day one of when
they're in Seattle.

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At the end I was like day one of
my suffering is what I was

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thinking.
You know, so I thought about you

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when I was watching this episode
because I was like, didn't we

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just say that they don't need to
be trying to explore a

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relationship right now because
they got other shit to do?

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I mean, it wasn't.
Where's the urgency?

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Where's the urgency?
You are in a place you do not

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know what you're going up
against, and we're sitting

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around playing guitars and
talking about love and babies

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and being a fan.
Come on guys, I'm going to.

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Say that murder.
People, you were there to blow

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brains out.
They were trying to blow out.

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I, I had kind of sort of the
same feeling at the beginning of

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the episode, but I, I will say I
did like the guitar interlude

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because it was nice.
And Bella Ramsey has a pretty

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nice voice and it was a, you
know, of course, you know, we're

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Gen.
X aha take on me that's like a

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classic.
But I don't hear it done

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acoustically very often.
And she did a very, you know, a

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very good version, which, you
know, kind of fit in with what

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they were trying to do with the
episode because you could see

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Dina falling in love with her.
But I was just like, it's, it's

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nice, I like it, but y'all got
stuff to do.

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And, and I think we talked about
this kind of at length in the

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last episode.
Like I don't have a problem with

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Ellie and Dina at all as far as
them being a couple.

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I have a problem with the timing
because this is not the right

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timing.
And I know why they're doing it.

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They're doing it because they
want to show us that, you know,

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the stakes are high.
You know, Ellie needs to make a

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decision on whether or not she's
going to go do this or whether

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she's going to go back home.
And, and I, I get it.

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It's that whole little conflict
of, you know, your priorities

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and all this other stuff.
It's all, it's all manufactured.

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It's all manufactured.
You are there to find these

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people, slit their throats or
blow their brains out.

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The take on you're right.
The take on me, Interlude

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Acoustic.
You know, the person who I live

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with, who I live with related to
my marriage, she's like, oh, I

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didn't know those were the
lyrics that would take on me

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part, but one of I can't
remember which, which lyric it

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was, but she's like, oh, that's
the lyric.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We.

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Did that a lot of when we were
younger, we, we just sang

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whatever lyrics we thought we
heard.

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Because there are songs now that
I'm like, wait.

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However, how'd it go?
If there's a time, there is a

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place.
So you're right, the timing.

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A little bit of joy in this kind
of world because like Dina said,

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as we go through the episode,
it's like, what the fuck is

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wrong with Seattle?
I'm with her.

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I'm like, what is wrong with
these people?

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So again, this is the romantic
in me, you know, got to find a

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little bit of happiness.
You have to find a a sense of

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what you're fighting for.
And I think part of that was

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supposed to be, I don't know, I
guess in a way kind of grounding

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for Ellie because as we know,
we've been watching Ellie since

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she was 14, and she's always had
this kind of dark humor about

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her existence, about her
possibly being the cure for all

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of this.
But then also, we've seen her at

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her, her darkest, where she's
been like, OK, I really don't

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care if I live or die.
And I think all of the, the

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mushy stuff, all of the little
gooey stuff that we got in this

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episode is supposed to kind of,
I don't know, in a sense, ground

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her or make her think about
someone other than herself and

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what she wants.
And I get that.

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Again, I'm, I'm practical
though.

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You're here like, like you said,
you're here to kill people.

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And not only that, you realize
that the people that you're

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looking for are not the only
killers that are surrounding you

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and you've just had to flee for
your life and you've almost

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gotten caught by a whole shit
load of clickers and you've had

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to go.
It's it's a lot like y'all don't

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have time to be Y'all don't have
time to be messing around.

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My daughter was over here last
night and she's reading a book

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while I'm watching the episode.
And the part where they actually

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like, they start to make out
and, and they're getting a

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little handsy.
My daughter was like, Oh my God,

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you guys have just been crawling
around and feel if you really

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are about to have a yeast
infection because of the yeast

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infection test in the beginning
of the episode.

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But OK, I know we got, I, I, I
know you want to talk some more

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about this and, and how much you
didn't like it, but let's start

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at the beginning because the
other thing we need to talk

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about.
Isaac.

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Is Jeffrey fucking right?
OK, I'm like, wait, wait, wait,

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wait.
I hit the person I'm married to

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next to me.
Like, is that Jeffrey Wright?

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She's like, yes, yes, it's
Jeffrey Wright.

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Oh, yeah.
OK.

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OK.
All right.

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So if anyone can feel that space
that Pedro Pascal had, it's

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Jeffrey Wright.
And not only that, but the man

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looks like he might be insane
do.

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You think?
I'm here for it.

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I'm here for it.
I need it after, OK?

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I look at it, it's like a
balancing of scales, OK?

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If you're going to give me CW,
Ellie, give me insane Jeffrey

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Wright.
Right, OK, right.

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OK, I'll, I'll he balances out.
It's a, it's a balance, yes.

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It's a balance because.
You have mushy, gooey, sweet,

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sloppy story over here and then
you have what the fuck?

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I was like, because I, I don't
know anything about his

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character.
So of course I'm just like,

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it's, it's Jeffrey Wright, you
know, we, we love him.

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So I I'm sitting here watching
the the beginning of the episode

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not realizing that this is the
episode he's going to make his

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debut in because for a split
second I forgot that he was even

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cast in in the show.
I don't even.

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Think I knew.
I don't even think I knew.

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I think we talked about it.
Long time ago.

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First was announced because this
was right around the time we

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were, you know, we, we were
still talking about what if so,

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I think, I think we talked about
it very, very briefly.

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But they're in the tank.
You have some soldiers and 1

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soldier is being the asshole
soldier that we always see.

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He's telling the story about,
you know, one, a regular person,

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a citizen, they call them
voters, voters.

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And talking about this other
soldier called Greenberg, who

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apparently is like the chief,
the top tier asshole.

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And he's being, you know, middle
Gray asshole, talking about how

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they've kind of, you know, I, I
guess how they're roughing up

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the voters and everybody else is
kind of laughing.

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And there's this one dude in the
van who was also laughing.

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But he's laughing because he
doesn't want to feel left out.

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But you can tell clearly by his
face.

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He's like, oh, OK, is this what
I'm having to surround myself

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with?
OK, OK.

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And then it gets to a point
where he asked me, he was like,

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why do you call them voters?
You know, the citizens?

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Why do you call them voters?
And the asshole guys like, I

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don't know, we just do.
Then here you go with Mr. Isaac

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Dixon over here in the corner
and he's like, we call him that

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because we took their we, we
took their voting rights away.

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He was like, and obviously this
is a group of federal soldiers.

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He's like, we took their rights
away.

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And someone started calling them
voters to kind of mock them and

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the other guys kind of feeling
like, oh, OK, I'm sorry, sorry.

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He was like, no, you, you meant
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You're an asshole.
You know, it's just he was like,

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what did he say when he got out
the thing?

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He was like, you're all green
birds.

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So anyway, they're riding in
this vehicle and they stopped

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because there's there's a
blockage.

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There's a school bus.
And then you look in the window

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and there's some people behind.
So he gets out the truck.

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He's like, OK, I'm going to go
talk to him.

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They're like, no, it's a whole
bunch of them.

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He's like, no, because if you
guys come out, it's going to

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escalate and it's going to be
what it always is because you

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guys are assholes.
So you could tell this is a guy

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who is in charge.
He's a Sergeant, but he's very

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it.
It's very obvious that he is

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tired of the way things are
being done.

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Like he's not one of these
people who is harassing people

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and and bullying people just
because he has the suit, he has

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the gun, he has the power.
But it takes a turn I didn't

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expect because he he comes out
the van.

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Then he thinks about it.
He looks back at the the one kid

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who was kind of uncertain and he
was like, kid, come out here

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with me, You can learn
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He goes up to a woman who who
walks in.

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It's obvious.
I guess she's the leader of that

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little group.
They introduce themselves by

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some code names and he just
looks at her and he's like and

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he turns around, walks back to
the van.

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He pulls out.
I don't I don't know if there

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was tear gas canisters or it.
Was grenades.

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OK, I thought it was grenades,
but I was like, OK, I couldn't

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tell because they they kind of
smoked up.

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So he throws the good grenades
in the van with the other

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soldiers and locks the van and
kills them.

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I was just like, oh, wait, he's
turning.

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He's going to the revolution
side.

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I wasn't expecting it, but I was
like, oh, OK, he's gonna, he's

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gonna fight for the people.
And then when you see him later

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on in episode, it's like, whoa,
that took a dark turn.

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I was like, wait, what happened?
But it's a 10.

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It's a 10 year span between when
we're introduced to his

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character and when we come to
present day, it's a 10 year

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span.
So that means that they're in

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the year 2028, I believe.
Yeah, I think that math works

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out.
Right.

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But yeah, was not expecting him
to like blow his soldiers up and

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the the one soldier that he
pulled off the truck, he's

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looking at him like fuck.
And he turns to him and he was

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like, now you need to make a
choice.

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What in those kind of
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There you there is.
There is no choice.

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I you literally just made the
choice for me when you blew up

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all the rest of the guys that I
was on the convoy with.

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So what are we doing here?
OK, This is what we're doing.

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OK.
So I I feel like he could tell

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that he was not sure about the
situation to begin with.

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But also Isaac, even though he
didn't talk to him, he knows

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that this guy at least will have
my back if things ever go

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sideways.
You'll have at least one person

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that he knows he can count on.
Yeah, because you literally

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right before you killed
everybody else.

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Yeah, but also, he probably has
been with him for a minute.

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And so at least, you know, he
knows who he's dealing with.

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But it's always good to have at
least one person with you that

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you know.
OK, I know this guy well.

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He may be confused about what's
going on, but I know he's

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probably going to be with me
wherever goes now.

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Yeah, he kind of struck me as a
new soldier.

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And it's like, I feel like Isaac
looked at him like, OK, if I

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don't step in now, he's going to
become like these other.

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He's going to be like.
Them and at least right now he

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has enough like of course, when
you're in that kind of

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situation, I'm I'm not in the
military.

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I've never been in the military
for a good reason.

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I just that kind of that kind of
toxic environment, that kind of

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toxic teasing.
You do see it a lot with with

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soldiers and military.
Not, not everyone, but

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especially in TV and film it,
it's that kind of environment.

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And I can understand being
someone who might be new to the

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group, who might even be a new
soldier.

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And you just want to fit in and
you want to make sure that you

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don't become the target of these
guys bullying because that's

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very much what it is.
And that that kind of

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uncertainty was enough for Isaac
to look at him and be like, OK,

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let's see what he's made of.
But like you, like you said,

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he'll have Isaac's back.
Because again, the way I looked

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at it was you could have left me
on that truck and just killed me

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and be like, I don't feel like
teaching nobody.

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I don't feel like training
nobody.

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You're as good as dead.
OK, whatever.

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But obviously Isaac saw
something in that dude to be

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like, OK, you know what?
You deserve another chance.

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And I think that's one of the
catch phrases of of this season.

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It's like everyone deserves a
second chance, so.

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OK, except for Joe.
He didn't deserve he.

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Didn't deserve second, you know
what we we can't because it's

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been it's been 2 episodes since
he's been gone and I'm still

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like, where are my flashbacks?
I I need my Joe flashbacks.

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But but then you see this guy
later on in the episode, totally

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different.
But I mean, Isaac is totally

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different too.
And we can talk about that

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change later when we get to that
part of the story because.

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I don't, I don't know if he's
that different because he might

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be using federal tactics to get
information.

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Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And and that's, I think that's

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what I mean, because when he
steps off the convoy and meets

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up with the, I'm guessing those
were probably fireflies at that

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time or, or maybe just regular
people trying to resist, you're

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thinking, OK, he realizes the
damage that Phedra is doing to

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the citizens.
He doesn't want to be a part of

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that.
But then when you see him later

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on in the episode, like you
said, he seems to be using

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tactics that he learned in
Phedra to question the Sarah

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fight that he was holding
hostage.

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And it's just like, OK.
And I knew it was about to be

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crazy because when they start
out, he's there.

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He's he's got, he's at the
stove, a gas stove.

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He starts talking about cooking.
And in the background you can

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just hear clink, clink, clink,
clink.

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I said, oh, he got somebody
locked up.

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I didn't think because I, I
really haven't watched all the

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promos and stuff.
So I've seen the guy that he

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had, but I didn't know in what
context he would be in the show.

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So I'm just hearing the clink,
clink, clink, clink.

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And I'm like, he had somebody
chained up.

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And then for him to take the
turn from talking about cooking,

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I was like, OK, is he about to
be another cannibal?

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Are we about to deal with
cannibals again?

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No, this, this is way worse.
Way worse because he takes that

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and heats it up.
Just.

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Before he did that, his speech
though was pretty telling about

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his character.
He was like, there was a time

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when I wanted these pots, I
mean, very expensive.

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I always thought I one day would
have these and be a great chef

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because they're so perfect.
And then the world went to crap

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and now it it doesn't even
matter anymore.

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He's.
Like I have them, but you know,

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at what cost.
Right.

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At what cost?
Like, one, there's really not

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anybody to cook for.
Two, it's like he was using that

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as he said, he used cooking as a
way to, to talk to women because

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he was shy.
He didn't know how to approach

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him.
But he was like, if I found a

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woman that I was interested in,
I would cook for her.

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You don't really have that now
and then you have all of this

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stuff going on because just from
the the conversation that we got

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with him, the wolves and the
Seraphites have been apparently

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fighting for a long time.
And it's a circle that that they

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keep going through.
They haven't really talked much

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about where it started, but it
was kind of like, you know, when

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he talked to the guy, he was
like, yeah, you shot one of our

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kids.
Is that what your your savior?

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He's the guy was talking about
the prophet.

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Is that what she teaches you?
He was like, you kill our kids

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and Isaac was like, because you
trained yours to shoot at us.

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Oh, it's your fault, it's
y'all's fault.

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Y'all did this, y'all did that.
And Isaac was like, I'm not here

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for this bullshit.
I just need to know where y'all

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about to attack next.
And I was like, attack.

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No, what?
What do you say was what do you

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say?
He said.

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Let's not argue chicken and
eggs.

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Right.
But when he said that, he was

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like, I need to know where the
where the scars.

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I think we talked about this in
the last episode too, because

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you gave us you gave us a little
bit of a background.

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He said, where are the scars
attacking next?

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And I was like attacking.
I said, wait a minute.

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OK, hold up.
This is going into that

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territory that Mike always talks
about.

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You know, you're introduced to
people and you think that

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there's a clear bad, a clear
good, because in the last

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episode we saw Seraphites who
were retreating.

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They were leaving from war.
They were trying to get away.

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And then next thing we know,
they've been killed, shot in the

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back.
So we're like, oh, OK, the

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wolves are bad, the Seraphites
are good.

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And then in this episode, it's
kind of like, I don't know,

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because you have Isaac and you
have that guy and their

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conversation, and clearly Isaac
looks like the big bad bully in

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this one.
You know, he's taking the copper

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pot, he's burning the dude's
hand, He's saying all kinds of

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things.
But that dude was.

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So I think once he got over his
fear, some of the stuff that he

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said to Isaac, I was just like.
Oh, 'cause he said.

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He said when someone leaves WLF,
they join us.

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Yeah.
And he was like, yeah.

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And he was like, we never leave
to join the WLF.

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And I think that's one of the
reasons why Isaac shot him,

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because he was like, oh, you
know what?

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What this guy saying makes
sense.

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Like, I think Isaac was trying
to say you guys are the ones who

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are, you know, religious
fanatics.

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You guys are the crazy ones.
You're the ones who follow a

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woman who doesn't even exist
anymore, blah, blah, blah.

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Like, why would anybody want to
be with you guys?

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You guys are dangerous.
And that's when the guy says

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that he was like, yeah, But you
know, he says every day, every

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single day, a wolf leaves your
camp, comes to us and follows

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the I guess whatever the, the,
the procedure is or the, the

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way.
Of the leaf.

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Whatever, whatever.
It gets the scars in the face.

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And he's like, yeah, they they
convert every single day one of

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your people leaves and and comes
to us and they follow us, but we

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never leave to come and join
y'all.

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So who is the crazy one now?
Like who is The Who is the less

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in theory?
I think that's the kind of gist

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he was trying to get.
And he pissed Isaac off enough

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that Isaac went to go get the
pan again and he was going to

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burn him some more.
And the dude had his hand out

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already.
Like, OK, whatever you're going

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to do.
Burn me.

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I'm not going to tell you what
you want to know.

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And then Isaac just shoots him.
But I was like, yeah, the

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seraphights, OK, I was like,
they're the victims, blah, blah,

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blah.
Then you get further into the

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episode and I'm like, what the
fuck am I watching?

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What is going on?
All I know is if I know we can't

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expect ourselves, some others.
But if I'm Ellie and I walk in

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there and I see the bodies
hanging, no.

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No, no, not just not just bodies
hanging.

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I mean.
Bodies hanging with the

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intestines, pulled out and
hanging.

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Yeah, I'm looking at them.
I'm like, you know what?

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I, I think I I'll let the Sarah
fights handle this and then go

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back to Jackson.
Right, especially now that you

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know what's going on.
No, no, that was no, that was

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before.
But yeah, because the guy who

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was standing guard outside with
the other soldier, I don't

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remember what that soldiers name
was.

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While Isaac was questioning the
Sarah fight, that dude, he was

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sitting there like yo, this is
crazy.

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Like Isaac is going too far.
And the other guy was like,

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Isaac is doing exactly what he
needs to do.

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And dude was like yes Sir.
And he was unsure about what

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they were doing.
So then later on when we see

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Ellie and Dina break in and they
come across his body, at first I

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thought I said, oh, they must
have killed him because he

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wasn't with the program.
And then I thought about I was

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like, wait, those are arrows.
Those are not guns.

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Right I.
Was like, what's weird about

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this?
I was like, I know that Isaac

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killed that guy, so it couldn't
have been him.

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He couldn't have gotten away and
done this.

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What is going on?
Yeah, but you know when she said

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when they were outside and and
they go, oh, someone climbed up

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the pipe and broke the glass to
get in.

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Yeah, and I was.
That's why I was like, oh,

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someone must have came to rescue
him.

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No.
So.

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That was probably the attack
they were asking about, Isaac

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was asking about.
Could be.

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Could be, maybe not, because I
don't think that I know.

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Probably.
No, because I think it was the

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same day.
Because when when Ellie and Dina

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first got there and they were
talking about going, Dina talked

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Ellie out of it because she was
like, OK, they have a big sign

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painted.
It's probably a trap.

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They'll come in.
So we'll wait till nightfall and

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then we'll go.
So I think it's the same day.

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So it could have been at this
point I'm thinking there may

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have been other attacks, but
whoever the Sarah fight or Sarah

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fights were that came into that
building, they were probably

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coming to get the other guy who
Isaac killed.

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And once they realized he was
dead, they were just like, OK,

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we're about to show y'all what
we made of.

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And I was like, you got the one
guy with like 6 arrows in his

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chest.
The pincushion.

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Yeah, and then you walk.
In one power for him.

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And then you walk in and there's
like 6 people hanging from the

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rafters with their intestines
pulled out and just just

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dripping, draining.
And Dina was one.

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She was like, what the fuck is
wrong with Seattle?

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Because there's an emblem, the
religious symbol that was

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painted on the back of that
guy's jacket from the last

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episode is painted in blood on
the wall.

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And what does it say?
She she's something it was

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talking about the prophet.
I don't remember, but Ellie was

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like, yo, the people that the
people we saw in the forest,

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they did this.
Dina was like, what the fuck is

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wrong with Seattle?
Like, you got people killing

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each other here and there.
But I mean, that that's why

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you're in Seattle, because
someone came all the way across

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the country to find Joel and
kill him and did it in such a

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way that it was brutal.
So it's like, you know, you

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didn't come to deal with just
someone who randomly kills.

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You didn't come to deal with
anybody who's soft.

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You came to deal with somebody
who is a beast, even though she

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was a quiet beast.
But yeah.

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They say it's feel, feel her
pain.

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If this is feeling her pain, you
know I want no part of this.

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But that you know what?
But that means that they

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probably did that to her because
we know she's dead, but we don't

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know how she's dead and.
They're just repeating that

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however she died.
Yeah, when I was looking at

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that, like who one, It had to be
a lot of them because one single

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person, you're not going to tell
me they took on all of those

443
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,920
people.
You got the one outside, you

444
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,160
have the six or seven that are
strung up and then you had

445
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,280
another one that was kind of on
the ground and.

446
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,360
A whole bunch of casings on the
floor.

447
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,000
And a whole bunch of casings on
the floor.

448
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:06,480
And no certified bodies.
None, not am body, but you can't

449
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,440
tell me one person did all of
that and then had the strength

450
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,080
to climb up and string them all
up.

451
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,120
No, he was They were still
dripping.

452
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:17,280
It had.
To be a group.

453
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,840
Yeah, yeah.
But the fact that they were able

454
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,320
to get in, do all of that and
then get out before anybody came

455
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,400
to look, I was like, yeah, these
some dangerous people.

456
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,960
So going back to what I was
saying, it's like Mike said, you

457
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,400
don't know who to root for one
because we don't have enough

458
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,400
information.
We only have a little bit here

459
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,080
and we have a little bit there.
And it's kind of like until we

460
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:48,520
know what started the fight, we
can't call either one of them

461
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,480
good or bad.
Because it could be that the

462
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,280
Wolves became the way that they
are because of something the

463
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,400
Seraphys did to them.
You know, we keep making Walking

464
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,680
Dead references.
I don't like the harmonious

465
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,120
people, you know, the Terminus
people, they started out, they

466
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,400
wanted to help survivors,
sanctuary for all.

467
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,040
And then some cannibals came and
got to them and and kind of

468
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,880
changed the way they thought and
it was survival of the fittest.

469
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,120
Maybe the wolves are doing that.
But we don't know if the the WLF

470
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:23,800
is like this because of ephedra.
That too.

471
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,400
And it's possible that maybe
some of the WLF people left and

472
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,520
started the Sarah fights and
there you go.

473
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,840
But if anything, like you said,
if anything is Walking Dead,

474
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,360
that's taught us is that there
are no sides.

475
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,680
There aren't there.
It's just survival.

476
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,720
Yeah, There are no good people.
There are no bad people.

477
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,400
It's.
Just survival, yeah, you

478
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,480
sometimes you have to make tough
choices.

479
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,560
And that that was one of those
things that Joel taught us.

480
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,560
Sometimes you have to make the
tough choice and sometimes

481
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,240
survival is is a choice you
make.

482
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,040
Yeah.
Wasn't it in the name of Negan's

483
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,400
group?
Was it the survivors?

484
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,800
It was the saviors.
The saviors, yeah.

485
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,520
I'm basically thinking they were
going to save everybody else.

486
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,200
But yeah.
But I mean, I don't know if

487
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,360
Fedrick didn't seem to make it
out of this very well because

488
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,000
when they come into the heart of
Seattle, they see nothing but

489
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,480
federal bodies all around.
Well, I'm well, you had a person

490
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,000
who knows federal tactics, so
I'm I'm sure he set them up.

491
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,000
Yeah, yeah.
Make it easy.

492
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,080
But that's why I'm saying that
Federer didn't.

493
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,240
It doesn't look like they came
out of that very well.

494
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,960
No, because all all we're
hearing right now are the

495
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,400
Seraphytes and the wolves.
Yeah, don't see anybody from

496
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,240
Federer.
And then when I came, if it was

497
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,360
Ellie or Dina said was it
Seattle bombed?

498
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,040
And it doesn't look like it was
bombed sound.

499
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,640
I think there was there was a
false report probably.

500
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,560
Well, I don't know, because if
you think about it, it's been 10

501
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:12,560
years and even though it was
bombed, it, they may not have

502
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,560
bombed that part of the city.
They may have bombed somewhere

503
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,360
over here.
And you know, you would get like

504
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,320
some residual blowback from the
bomb, but it might not have been

505
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,120
enough to kill everything.
I mean, we saw it in Atlanta, in

506
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,280
The Walking Dead, you see it in
other cities.

507
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,240
We saw a little bit of it in LA
with the ones who live.

508
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:37,080
So I mean, in 10 years, I think
is enough time for something to

509
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,280
start growing back.
But again, there was so much

510
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,040
there that was still intact that
I don't think the bomb hit that

511
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,920
particular side of the city, you
know, but it might have been

512
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,360
enough to to do whatever it did.
I mean, there was a tank there

513
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,920
that Ellie saw and she did say
that there were three skeletons

514
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,920
in there that had been burned.
So it it could have been enough

515
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,800
to to kill all those people or
to, you know, do some damage.

516
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,200
But again, the I think the big
take away from all of that is we

517
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,560
don't see Federer anywhere.
No.

518
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,480
So I don't know if that would be
because maybe Isaac helped the

519
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,880
Fireflies or whoever the group
was that he met, if he helped

520
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,800
them kill them, if he helped
turn some of them because he

521
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200
can't.
There's no way that he was the

522
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:40,520
only person who had, you know, a
bout of conscience to be like,

523
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,560
this is not what we should be
doing.

524
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,920
And.
For him to do what he did, I'm

525
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,320
sure he seems smart enough to
have already had people in

526
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,920
Federal who was going to join
him, Yeah.

527
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,040
Yeah, you know.
What I mean like people who who

528
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,240
are like minded like him.
So I mean, I'm making a lot of

529
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,840
assumptions.
I'm trying to give the writers

530
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,280
too much credit.
Well, I mean, we don't have, we

531
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,040
don't have a lot of.
We don't have a lot of.

532
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:11,800
Information, yeah.
But yeah, I think is a scary

533
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,360
person.
I would not want to.

534
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,360
I would not want to be in a room
alone with him because I might

535
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,160
well.
No.

536
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,680
It's Jeffrey Wright.
It's Jeffrey Wright is one thing

537
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,000
a mean and scary Jeffrey Wright,
that's a whole other thing.

538
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,240
I'm like, 'cause I was looking
at him like.

539
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,640
He's insane.
He, he might.

540
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,880
Be yelling because he's so calm.
He's doing all of this.

541
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,120
Yeah, like he doesn't seem
bothered.

542
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,720
He doesn't like and, and I guess
if he's been doing this for 10

543
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:54,560
years and he thinks he's doing
it to protect whoever, again, we

544
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,520
haven't seen any regular people
around.

545
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,880
We've only seen the soldiers.
So I don't know if if they're

546
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,200
one of the groups that everybody
has to fight, I don't know.

547
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,000
But if he's been doing this for
a long time, he's very jaded

548
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,680
right now.
And he also probably no longer

549
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,120
has the conscience that he did
back then when he killed those

550
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,480
other soldiers.
Because like you said, it's kind

551
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,200
of survival of the fittest.
If that's what you have to do to

552
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560
make sure that you stay alive,
to make sure that the people

553
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:32,400
that you're with stay alive and
these people are trying to kill

554
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,400
them, Yeah, You got to kind of
turn that morality switch off.

555
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,800
You know which we it's easy for
us to sit here and debate what

556
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,360
they should do, what they should
do or to debate morals because

557
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,160
we are not living in times quite
like that.

558
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,760
I mean, I did see a lot of
parallels in that episode to the

559
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,840
world that we are currently
living in, but it's not to that

560
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,680
extreme.
You know, you and I still enjoy

561
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,360
some basic freedoms.
We still have roofs over our

562
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,840
heads, we still have jobs, we
have vehicles, we have money.

563
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,920
We can go shop, we can go to
trivia, we can celebrate

564
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,880
birthdays and stuff like that.
We can do plumbing without

565
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,159
having to worry about tendrils
of courtesyps, right?

566
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,120
Right, because nobody in this
day and age really is going to

567
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,840
let the foliage take over the
pipes like that to that, you

568
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,920
know, to that degree.
So I don't know, it just seems

569
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,440
Seattle seems to be a very
dangerous place and we've got

570
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,000
and.
We have two people making a lot

571
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,880
of fucking noise everywhere they
go.

572
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:52,040
Listen, I was wondering about
that because I'm like, OK, first

573
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,440
of all, the fact that you live
in a world with clickers.

574
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:04,600
Who, from everything y'all told
us in the first season, they

575
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:11,440
can't see, they can't smell,
they follow their prey by noise.

576
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,040
Now again, they've traveled
halfway across the country.

577
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Far as we can tell, they haven't
had any instances.

578
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,200
And like I said, they were
talking loud going through the

579
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,560
forest.
So I don't know, maybe they just

580
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,720
got careless.
Maybe they just felt like they

581
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,160
were lucky.
But when they come and they're

582
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,880
seeking shelter and they want
shelter that's big enough to how

583
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,480
shimmer, they go into a music
store.

584
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,240
And I was just like, OK, I
already see where this is going.

585
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,720
They're going to make noise and
they're going to get attacked.

586
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Thankfully the attack didn't
happen then.

587
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:54,160
And like I said, we got some
nice moments, but still, it's

588
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,320
like when Dennis started with
the drums, I was like, OK,

589
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,360
that's too much a guitar.
I can kind of sort of OK if

590
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,160
you're curious.
And then, of course, we know the

591
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,520
guitar was supposed to mean
something a little bit deeper

592
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,120
for her because that was one of
her connections with Joe.

593
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,200
You know, Joe taught her how to
play guitar.

594
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,000
He was fixing her guitar for her
the night before he he died or,

595
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,720
you know, a couple of nights
before he died.

596
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,640
So we know that that was
supposed to be a, a special

597
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:31,040
moment.
Dina downstairs with the the I

598
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,480
was like, not only she she
beating on the drums, she's

599
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,440
doing the symbols too.
I was like, are you ringing the

600
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,800
dinner bell right now?
Because that's what it sounds

601
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,200
like you're doing.
You're reading.

602
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:52,480
You're ringing the dinner bell.
Some of the internal, internal

603
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:58,960
logic of the show is is so
convenient because, you know, I

604
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,720
guess we're supposed to assume
that the WLF cleared out all the

605
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,880
clickers, you know, from from
the sea is supposed to be gone.

606
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,040
But they don't have patrols.
I mean, even Jackson got

607
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,280
patrols.
That was the weird thing from

608
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,160
the last episode too, because
they made it all the way up that

609
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:23,520
up that broken bridge and they
were like, it's quiet, It's too

610
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,040
quiet.
They even said that.

611
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,720
That was weird.
Either there are a lot of them

612
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,120
or they're not.
A lot of them, Yeah.

613
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Which one?
Which one is it?

614
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Right.
Either they are making sure they

615
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,480
patrol and have lookouts or they
aren't.

616
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,080
I mean, which one is it?
They seem to be well trained,

617
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,560
but then again they don't no.
You're coming down the street

618
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,920
like you're in a parade all
together.

619
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,120
And that that struck me as
strange to like you don't have

620
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,400
people on your perimeter.
You don't have people going into

621
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,040
the buildings because it's.
Still a big fucking city.

622
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,400
It's still a big fucking city.
Seattle is not small.

623
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,720
I know, yeah.
So you couldn't have cleared the

624
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:12,360
entire city?
You don't have enough people to

625
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,440
watch the entire system.
I'm like, OK, well maybe they

626
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:21,880
can find themselves to like, I
don't know, a 15 block area, but

627
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,400
if you're going to confine
yourself to a 15 block area, you

628
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,600
need to have lookouts posted
everywhere where everything can

629
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,240
be seen.
Yeah, and not up in a fucking

630
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,040
building looking through
binoculars to say because, yeah.

631
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,760
So I, I had a problem with that
as well.

632
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:45,720
Because even if you let's just
let's just take it with a grain

633
00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:50,840
of salt, OK, Let's say they did
clear out all of the clickers in

634
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,680
that area in Seattle.
They don't have, you know,

635
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,600
they're like, OK, we clear them
out.

636
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,360
It's just us.
Y'all not worried about any

637
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:07,960
coming in like you are.
Are you really that comfortable

638
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,080
and that naive to think that
you're safe?

639
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,480
Even Jackson didn't think they
were safe.

640
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,960
And they would literally like,
like we said, they were

641
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,880
literally in the middle of where
they were.

642
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:25,600
They had walls, They had strong
walls.

643
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,960
They had good defenses.
They, you know, they did not

644
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,160
hold up in one spot.
You go here, you guys are on the

645
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,800
roof, you guys are on the wall,
you guys have the the

646
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,360
flamethrowers, you guys are
going down.

647
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,320
Like they had a plan.
And we saw that if anybody came

648
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,200
through, they were they were
ready for clickers and Raiders.

649
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,240
Now, I don't think they were
ready for the clickers in the

650
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,640
numbers that they got.
But again, the clickers are

651
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,320
starting to evolve.
They didn't know clickers were

652
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,440
going to be hiding up under
other bodies, waiting for a

653
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,040
chance to do whatever.
And if Abby hadn't have brought

654
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,720
her ass down the mountain and
stirred them up, they probably

655
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:09,560
would have been there the entire
winter.

656
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,080
Now, that would have been a
problem once spring got here and

657
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,520
the snow started melting.
But even with that, we saw their

658
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,480
preparation.
We saw what they were doing for

659
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,720
their town in Seattle.
We don't see anything.

660
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,800
And it's just, it's very strange
to me, but I don't know, maybe

661
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,880
they did get rid of it because
when Shimmer started eating that

662
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,400
grass in the music store, I was
like, I I'm just expecting to

663
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,720
see little tendrils coming
through the grass, but nothing

664
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,760
happened.
I was like, OK, because they

665
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,400
didn't even.
And again, we're going to

666
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,840
reference The Walking Dead
again.

667
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,400
Walk, you know, Walker one O 1
before you enter a building, you

668
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,680
make sure that building is safe.
They don't clear buildings when

669
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,720
they go in, No, they kind of
look around with the

670
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:02,080
flashlights.
And even with that, OK, I

671
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,840
understand you're being
stealthy.

672
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,920
You're entering dark spaces you
need to see.

673
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,040
But if you are hiding from
people in a building where

674
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,440
you're not supposed to be, the
last thing you want to do is

675
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,200
draw attention to someone who
can look and be like.

676
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,080
What is that like doing
floating?

677
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,040
Yeah.
You know, it's just, I don't

678
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,160
know, it's something I don't
know.

679
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,040
And maybe it's because we've
been conditioned to look for

680
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,160
certain things when it comes to
apocalyptic stuff, because The

681
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,960
Walking Dead is not the only
thing, you know, that I've

682
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,520
watched.
We've watched other shows that

683
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,640
or movies that have zombies and
everybody has a little bit of a

684
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,200
different way of dealing with
them.

685
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,640
But there are certain things
that are basic.

686
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,200
If you are fleeing from a
monster who attacks based on

687
00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:00,240
sound, shut your fucking mouth.
Stop playing instruments.

688
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,240
But some of this, though,
Hanukkah is just playing common

689
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:07,120
sense.
It's not even from all the shows

690
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,480
we've watched, because we get
frustrated watching shows.

691
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,160
That's why we yell at the
screen, because some of this

692
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,840
stuff is basic, just common
sense.

693
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,600
You know, if you're in a dark
building being hunted, you don't

694
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,640
flash the flashlight in the
windows.

695
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,560
Yeah, I don't have to watch ATV
show on the ceilings, on the

696
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,000
ceiling to know you don't do
that.

697
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,720
If I know that the thing that is
hunting us is attracting to

698
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:36,320
sound, don't make any sound,
right?

699
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,120
It's common sense.
It's not even survival

700
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,440
one-on-one.
It's just plain common sense.

701
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:47,160
But this show?
This show is starting to require

702
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,120
us to suspend a lot of our
disbelief.

703
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,440
Yeah, I agree.
It's requiring A suspend,

704
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,560
suspend a lot of our disbelief.
We're putting a lot of faith in

705
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,480
these writers.
And it's real, you know, it's

706
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,080
hard for me.
It's real hard.

707
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:08,760
It's it's very difficult for me
to sit here and be like, come

708
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,680
on, guys, we got to be we got to
have our character smarter than

709
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,920
that.
If you if you want Bella Ramsey,

710
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,280
if you want Ella to carry this
show, she's going to have to be

711
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,640
a legit badass.
So she can't be making what we

712
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,080
what it looks like to us.
Ricky mistakes, you know,

713
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,480
following her path of revenge.
OK, I'm cool with that.

714
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:35,600
I'm down with that.
But I would think that the

715
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,240
lessons that she learned with
Joel on their trek across the

716
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:43,600
country would be more evident
than it is now.

717
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,920
Yeah.
You know, because he got you

718
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,160
across the country safe and
sound.

719
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,480
Not once, but twice.
Not once, but twice.

720
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,640
All the way from Boston to Salt
Lake and then back to Jackson

721
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,160
Hole.
And and it's and they don't.

722
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,240
We know they had hiccups.
We know they had, but at this

723
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,720
point you can't afford any
mistakes.

724
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,400
You're in enemy territory with
the enemy you do not know.

725
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,920
You don't have the numbers, you
don't have the locations.

726
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,720
You're flying blind.
You can't afford to look like

727
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,400
you make your Ricky mistakes.
Which brings me back to I don't

728
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:34,240
want CWLEI don't want CWLEI want
path to revenge Ellie.

729
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,520
Yeah.
That's that's what I want to

730
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,800
see.
I don't I don't, I just don't

731
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,760
have a go.
This, this show, I'm trying like

732
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,800
this episode was like a solid 3
out of 10, like 2 out of 10.

733
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:59,640
And just because it had moments
where, OK, I'm cool with this,

734
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,280
but so much of it, especially
that stuff with her, and then it

735
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,720
was just, I just didn't need it.
Do you?

736
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,160
You should have done this
before.

737
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,640
I would have been OK with you
doing this and have them in the

738
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,560
wilderness.
As much as I hate being in the

739
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,320
wilderness, Do it then, but not
now.

740
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,280
Not now, especially.
Not after like, OK, we got to

741
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,360
talk.
We got to talk about the the

742
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,600
stuff because leading into what
you are saying, OK, when we

743
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,600
first see Dana and Ellie, they
are doing like a supply run.

744
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,960
They found an old pharmacy
they're looking for like first

745
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,600
aid kit, stuff like that.
You know, Dina sees the the

746
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,560
yeast infection, the monistat in
in a box and she makes a joke.

747
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,560
OK, cool, fine.
I guess it during the

748
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,480
apocalypse, nobody was worried
about a yeast infection.

749
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,600
But then when she's looking for
stuff, she's talking to Ellie

750
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:01,880
because Ellie is like, OK, well,
I'm done.

751
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,720
I'm going outside.
And she was like, yeah, I don't

752
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,760
think there's anything.
And she stops and she looks and

753
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,400
her face changes just a little
bit.

754
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,680
And then she was like, I'm going
to go pity.

755
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,760
I was like do not tell me this
chick is pregnant before that I.

756
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,160
Was like, she looked up, I said,
oh, she she found some pregnancy

757
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,120
tests.
Yeah.

758
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,920
And now, right.
Yeah, that's what she like.

759
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,600
And then when she said I'm
peeing, I said, oh God, she's

760
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,040
taking pregnant.
She's pregnant.

761
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:32,800
I was like, and then she walks
out and she's just kind of her,

762
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,480
her demeanor is a little bit
different.

763
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,320
And Ellie even notices.
She was like, you OK?

764
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,520
She was like, yeah, I'm fine.
And I was like, OK, she's

765
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,920
pregnant.
So again, OK, Dina being

766
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,840
pregnant, that kind of raises
the states for her character

767
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,960
because now you have you, you
realize you are here to kill

768
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:59,920
people, you know, and, and with
that being said, you realize

769
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,520
that there is also a possibility
that you may get killed.

770
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,720
And it's not just you.
Now you got to think about this,

771
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,480
this other being that is
attached to you now.

772
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,000
They go through all this stuff,
they go through the cutesy

773
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,000
stuff, and, you know, she plays
the guitar for her.

774
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,840
Dina's looking at her like, oh,
I'm in love with you.

775
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,880
OK, I, I saw all of that coming
and I was just like, OK, so

776
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,280
we're going to have to deal with
relationship stuff again.

777
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,320
I want to say it very clearly.
I have no problem with them

778
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,760
being a couple.
I just, the timing is not great.

779
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,080
I don't even think I would have
wanted it before they left

780
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,880
because then that would make
things too murky and it will

781
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,000
make it about the relationship
while they're doing, you know,

782
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,120
what they're supposed to be
doing.

783
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,480
I don't want that.
I, I would prefer at the end,

784
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,280
like they've done what they came
to do.

785
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,360
Both of them are still alive.
They realize that through all

786
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,200
this danger they've gone
through, they they have these

787
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,360
feelings for each other.
I'm good with that at the end,

788
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:12,760
but right here, smack dab in the
middle, you have them come in.

789
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,080
They find the the wolves hanging
from the thing and they both are

790
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,520
separated at this time.
They're on opposite sides of

791
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,560
this room.
They're finding ways to kind of

792
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,920
sneak around and get out.
Ellie gets all the way upstairs.

793
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,520
She can't open the window and
then she has to hide because

794
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,000
here comes someone she sees the
guy with the with the gun.

795
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,960
And I couldn't tell at first,
but I was wondering if that was

796
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,280
the guy who was there in Jackson
Hole with Abby.

797
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,120
I was like, is that him?
Because the way she looked when

798
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,120
she saw him, I thought it would
be.

799
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,720
I thought it was a look of
recognition.

800
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,480
Then I was like, OK, maybe she
just realized he was about to

801
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,680
turn around and see her behind
the door.

802
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,560
In either case, she gets the
drop on them.

803
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,120
They fight for a little bit.
She tries to choke him out, but

804
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,480
somebody else comes up the other
stairs, sees her, shoots at her

805
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,480
or gets ready to shoot at her.
Dina shoots that person from

806
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,280
behind, Ellie sticks the knife
in the guy's neck, and then they

807
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,000
take off.
OK, taking off.

808
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,800
You're running.
You try to get out, there's a

809
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,360
fence, and then you're like, oh,
here's a hole here we can fit

810
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,000
through.
Let's go.

811
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,360
Which, given the circumstances,
you don't really have much of A

812
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,120
choice.
So I.

813
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,960
Get it?
But then they end up in an

814
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:36,320
abandoned train station, and I
already knew where this was

815
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,760
going to go.
This is The Walking Dead season

816
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,440
10, the Asheron episodes.
I already knew where this was

817
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,240
going to go.
So they're in there.

818
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,600
They're like, OK, we need to go
hide.

819
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,280
And then here comes the guys
from the wolves, from the other

820
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,680
side.
Now, these guys are smart.

821
00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:59,440
They're using their scopes.
They also have flares, and

822
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,080
they're throwing the flares
around, trying to see if they

823
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,880
can catch a shadow of Dina and
and Ellie.

824
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,640
And while they're sitting there
doing all of that, all of a

825
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,400
sudden you start hearing some
clicking and everybody stops.

826
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,920
Dina and and and Ellie are
looking at each other like, what

827
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,400
the fuck?
And the guys are like, I thought

828
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,560
this place had been cleared out.
Yeah, I thought so too.

829
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,320
Well, apparently not.
Why are you guys still down

830
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,280
there looking for these girls?
When you hear those clicks you

831
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,320
need to get the fuck off.
That's just my opinion.

832
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,960
Then then one of the flares, I
can't remember trying to find

833
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,240
it, but then one of the flares
show tendrils.

834
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,840
Yes, yes.
They threw a flare up under the

835
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,840
train car and you can see the
tendrils and I think the I think

836
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,200
it might have like just brushed
over it, but enough for there to

837
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,400
be, you know, the motion that
that they feel because they

838
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,320
don't react to just people
talking or people being around.

839
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:04,320
There has to be like, yes.
So they start moving.

840
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,080
Dina starts doing her thing when
she's holding up.

841
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,080
I I guess Dina has.
She.

842
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,880
Can tell the differences.
So she's sitting there counting

843
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,920
one finger, 2 finger, 3 fingers,
4 fingers, 5 fingers.

844
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,720
She gets to that five, but she's
like, I have no more fingers on

845
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:25,320
this hand and she's looking at
Ellie like we are fucked because

846
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,760
all of a sudden here comes a
horde of clickers and I was just

847
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:34,080
like, this episode is about to
stress me out again.

848
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,760
I think I paused during this
scene like literally 10 times

849
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,720
because I was like, I can't, I
can't.

850
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:44,600
It's too much going on. 1st off
the soldiers end up dying.

851
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,000
We knew that was going to happen
because you dumb fucks came down

852
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,960
here and when you heard them,
you didn't leave.

853
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,120
Like you're so you're so dead
set on finding whoever it is

854
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,240
that you think you're chasing,
which I get it, they think that

855
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,760
they're the Seraphites that
killed their people.

856
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,080
But are you really looking at
these two?

857
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,160
And I'm not saying this in a
derogatory way, but are you

858
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,920
really looking at these two
little girls that that you are

859
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,560
chasing and you're thinking that
they had enough strength to

860
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,480
hoist up all of these grown ass
men into the rafters and pull

861
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,960
out their intestines?
Like, you really think they have

862
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,600
the strength to do that?
I don't think they could tell

863
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,000
who it was.
Irritation.

864
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,000
They they could, once they hit
the ground and they start

865
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,920
running, they shot at them, I
mean.

866
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,200
It was dark.
I'm I'm giving.

867
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,040
You're giving them too much
credit.

868
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,520
And too much credit.
Yeah, yeah.

869
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,160
Because if you think about it, I
mean, from their perspective,

870
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,000
they, they did it like that.
That's what they literally did.

871
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,240
Been able to fit into that
little hole because if that was

872
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:57,440
the case they would have
followed them through the hole.

873
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,600
Obviously Hanukkah obese people
are not very smart, OK?

874
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,200
They are not they.
Don't have, they don't have

875
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,920
guards.
They're not watching the

876
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,320
perimeter, they're not doing
patrols.

877
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,120
So OK, I'll, I'll take that.
They don't.

878
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,000
They don't know how to run when
they hear clickers.

879
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,440
It's almost as if they probably
never encountered them before.

880
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,320
I don't even know if I want to
say that, but OK.

881
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,640
I want to give him the benefit
of doubt.

882
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:28,680
No, I was going to say, OK, if
this is a group that cleared an

883
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:33,800
entire city of clickers, they
probably maybe thought a little

884
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,560
too much of themselves, like,
oh, there's however many of us.

885
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,640
I can't remember.
It's like 5 or 6 of them.

886
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,760
And hey, we have guns.
We can, we can handle this

887
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,160
because I I guarantee you they
weren't sitting there counting

888
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,880
the way Dina was counting.
No, that's what I'm saying.

889
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:55,600
I don't think they, I don't
think they, I don't, I just

890
00:53:55,680 --> 00:54:00,480
don't believe that these guys,
this group has ever had to face

891
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,360
any clickers.
And that's entirely possible if

892
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:10,200
they, let's say they finish
clearing out, clearing out

893
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:15,000
Seattle seven years ago, some of
these people, they just could

894
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:16,520
have been here for three or four
years.

895
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,040
True for.
Two years and they wouldn't

896
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,400
know.
As far as they know, whatever

897
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,560
was there has been cleared out.
They may have encountered one

898
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:32,040
clicker before, but not a whore.
Yeah, You know who else's group

899
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:37,800
was was kind of careless in that
way, I can't remember what.

900
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,760
Was it Philadelphia?
Was it?

901
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,560
Yeah.
Melanie Lynskey's group?

902
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because they thought, Oh yeah,

903
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,080
we pushed them all out.
Yeah.

904
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,320
Yeah.
How'd that work out for you?

905
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,480
How'd?
They work out for you.

906
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:56,120
Yeah, so, so, yeah, I I get it.
But I mean, OK, so you have the

907
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,960
clickers, Ellie and Dina, they
climb on top of the train and

908
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,400
they think that's going to save
them.

909
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,640
They get into the train and
there's dozens of skeletons.

910
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,520
Thankfully they were just
skeletons, but you realize, oh,

911
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,640
OK, we walked into a death trap.
You got clickers trying to get

912
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,920
into the train.
So you're trying to go through

913
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,920
the train.
You're having to shoot because

914
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,360
they're cracking windows.
Whatever, whatever.

915
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,680
They finally get out of the
train.

916
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:32,240
They head towards the escalator
and one of the clickers hears

917
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,600
them when they jump down, so the
whole group turns.

918
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,520
The whole group.
Turns changing, they start

919
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,240
chasing them.
They jump over a fence and they

920
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,360
go up the escalators.
Now the the clickers are kind of

921
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,920
being held by the fence, but the
way they keep showing that

922
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,320
bottom corner of the fence, I
was like, yeah, that's going to

923
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,080
be where they breakthrough.
They try to go through one of

924
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,440
these metal turnstiles.
The turnstiles.

925
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,640
And it's rusted so they can't
get it through all the way.

926
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,200
Ellie gets through, Dina is
almost through, but here comes a

927
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,240
clicker and it's about to get
her.

928
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,040
And Ellie throws her arm up
across Dina's face so that the

929
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:13,440
clicker bites her and not Dina.
And I was like, oh, so we got

930
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,880
not only are we getting, what do
you call it, The Last of Us CW,

931
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,080
but we are also about to have
that conversation and make

932
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:27,600
things even more weird.
OK, They come out the station,

933
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,960
they see a old theater across
the street, and Ellie's like,

934
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,680
yeah, we can go hole up in there
for a minute.

935
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:42,560
Before we come back to that, so
is WLF so stupid that now

936
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:47,720
there's a horde and they don't
have no lookouts, they don't

937
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:51,760
have no nothing, they don't have
nobody checking in on the squad

938
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,520
that they sent out, nothing.
Well, we don't know because we

939
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,080
haven't, you know, we're at this
point we're just following Ellie

940
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,800
and Dina.
We already know the ones that

941
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,320
are down there dead.
And obviously I guess the

942
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,720
clickers didn't make it past the
turnstile because Ellie and.

943
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,200
Beginner.
Yeah, because the turnstile you

944
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,320
have to go through one side and
I'm sure the clickers are

945
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,960
pitching on both sides.
So it wasn't the.

946
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,720
Turn yeah.
So, you know, I mean, and

947
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,120
apparently those clickers, I
don't know if they are like

948
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,720
walkers where once the object of
their, I don't know, desire is

949
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,440
out, they're just kind of like,
OK, they just go back to being

950
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,200
dormant or they go, I, I don't
know.

951
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,280
But obviously none of them came
up, you know, came up because

952
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,760
nobody banged on the doors.
They were, they had a whole

953
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,520
night's worth of peace, which,
oh, OK.

954
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,600
But again.
They make it to the theater.

955
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,840
And again, they don't really
check.

956
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,920
I mean, I realized at this point
it's a decision about the evil

957
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,160
behind you versus the evil in
front of you.

958
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,440
But if there had been clickers
in that theater, they'd have

959
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,080
been done regardless.
People.

960
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,720
Yeah, they probably could have
taken them out, but I don't know

961
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,520
because they used a lot of
rounds shooting those clickers

962
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,280
that were trying to get to them
on the train.

963
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,000
So they.
Yeah, but then the saved one

964
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,080
bullet at least.
Listen.

965
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,000
Because the way her face was
looking and I told you, I saw, I

966
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,880
saw the promo last week and I
was like, yeah, she thinks

967
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,880
Ellie.
She thinks Ellie is gonna turn.

968
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:41,760
And yeah, she, Ellie, was
looking like, damn, I'm have to

969
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,760
tell the secret shit because
she's like, don't you shoot me,

970
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,400
I'm fine.
She was like, why did you do

971
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,560
that?
Why did you do that?

972
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,920
And she was like, yeah, so I
would die for you.

973
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,880
But that's not what happened
tonight.

974
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,760
I'm going to be OK because I'm
immune.

975
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:02,400
And Dana's just looking at her
like, what?

976
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,600
And so, you know, Ellie does
this whole thing.

977
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:06,880
OK?
I'm going to go over to this

978
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,440
chair over here.
I'm going to bandage my arm.

979
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,800
I'm going to go to sleep.
You're going to go on the far

980
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:13,240
side.
You're going to stay away from

981
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,320
me.
You're going to keep the gun

982
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,440
trained on me.
And if I turn, you can shoot me.

983
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,640
But please, I'm going to be the
same way I am in the, you know,

984
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,440
I'm going to be this in the
morning when I wake up.

985
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,520
Now again, here, here we go with
the suspension of disbelief of

986
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:33,440
belief because she makes it
through the night.

987
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,600
Dana literally stays up all
night with the gun on her.

988
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,800
And Ellie, you know, does the
whole thing.

989
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,840
She was like, look, there's no
shaking.

990
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:48,800
I'm OK.
And I guess at this moment, once

991
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,920
Dina realizes that Ellie is not
going to die, maybe that's just

992
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,640
all the emotions coming out
because she was like, Ellie.

993
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,080
And I thought the question was
going to be, how are you immune?

994
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,640
But no, it's I'm pregnant.
And even Ellie was like, what?

995
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,560
And then Dina rushes to kiss
her.

996
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,920
So at this point, there, there
are two parts of me.

997
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,480
OK, There's the one part.
That's like, y'all don't have

998
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,360
time for this.
Like people are literally

999
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:24,320
looking for you and you just got
through, you know, crawling

1000
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,120
around and dead people,
skeletons, fighting off

1001
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,480
clickers, all this other stuff.
Y'all don't have time for this.

1002
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:40,120
On the other hand, I imagine,
and Dina kind of says as much in

1003
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:45,680
the next scene, I imagine Dina
is probably relieved because

1004
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,120
once she doesn't have to shoot
her best friend or the person

1005
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,160
that she now realizes she loves,
you know, she doesn't have to do

1006
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,880
that.
She realizes she may not have to

1007
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,240
do this pregnancy thing alone.
But also they just survived like

1008
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,120
something that could have been
the worst thing ever because

1009
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,440
Dana's not there because she
wants to kill people.

1010
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,440
She's there for Ellie.
And if Ellie had died, Dana

1011
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:16,760
would be there alone, pregnant.
And granted, I think Dina is the

1012
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,840
smarter of the two as far as
looking at a situation,

1013
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,040
determining what course of
action to take.

1014
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:29,520
She's a planner.
But I think if Ellie had died or

1015
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,400
if Ellie had turned and all of
that stuff would have happened

1016
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,720
in her emotional state right
now, she probably would've just

1017
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:39,440
been like, OK, I'm just going to
sit here because why?

1018
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:45,680
I kind of get doing it.
But at the same time, like I

1019
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:51,920
said, you literally just
narrowly escaped death.

1020
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,720
You've been crawling around in
the dirt.

1021
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,280
You've been crawling you, you
got people's blood on your

1022
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,440
hands.
You've been doing all this

1023
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,880
stuff.
Now is not the time to be

1024
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,800
kissing and putting your hands
down somebody's pants.

1025
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,280
It's just, I'm sorry, it's
gross.

1026
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:10,600
You're dirty.
You're filthy.

1027
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,840
I realize you're in AI realize
they're in apocalypse.

1028
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,520
They're probably used to not
bathing and all this other stuff

1029
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,440
They their minds have adjusted
for that mind has not.

1030
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,240
So I was just like, OK, so we're
gonna do this now.

1031
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:32,240
And I'm thinking, OK, the people
who were looking for them will

1032
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,960
probably patrol and do sweeps to
try to find these people who

1033
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,960
killed their friends.
They were going to be, they were

1034
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,480
going to be doing that anyway,
but they know they're looking

1035
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,880
for, they're thinking, they're
looking for Seraphites.

1036
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,240
And I think they know that when
the Seraphites do this, they

1037
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,760
don't stick around.
So if they didn't catch them,

1038
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,760
they're they're gone.
They don't, they don't know who,

1039
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,200
I mean, they don't know who
they're actually dealing with,

1040
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,480
but they're going to be looking
for the Seraphites anyway

1041
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,520
because that's who hung up all
the strung up, all the friends.

1042
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:12,280
So, you know, but you're right,
I, I, I didn't need this.

1043
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,520
This was so unnecessary.
It was.

1044
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,240
It was, it was and I guess.
So I guess the thing.

1045
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,760
Is the way they did it the way
it's the way it's being done?

1046
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,960
I'm not saying there isn't.
I'm not saying there isn't room

1047
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,760
for this, a version of this.
I'm just saying the way it's

1048
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:38,160
being done here in this fashion
doesn't really work for me in in

1049
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,040
in the circumstances they're in
right now.

1050
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,640
Right, right it.
Doesn't.

1051
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,720
Because it's too much danger.
And I'm, I'm sorry.

1052
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:49,000
When you are in that type of
intimate situation, when you are

1053
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,520
making love with someone or
whatever, having sex, whatever,

1054
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,960
however you frame it, whether
it's with somebody that you are

1055
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,160
intimate with or whether it's
not, it's just a one off thing.

1056
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:06,360
Your mind is distracted, you are
not thinking about outside

1057
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,160
factors, or at least you
shouldn't be thinking about

1058
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,160
outside factors during those
moments.

1059
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:19,480
And again, you literally just
barely escaped being either

1060
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,280
killed by clickers or being
killed by soldiers because if

1061
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,600
the clickers had not come, they
would have been discovered.

1062
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:35,560
They didn't have a lot of places
to hide, so it just felt it felt

1063
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,280
a little.
Forced.

1064
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,680
I don't.
It's out of place and that's

1065
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,760
pretty much all I can say.
Again.

1066
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,640
And like I said, it's not.
Right.

1067
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,440
Yeah, a version of this, I can't
tell you what that version is,

1068
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,200
might have worked, but the way
it's done here is it's it's not,

1069
01:04:55,320 --> 01:05:00,200
it's not, right.
Yeah, yeah, especially so soon

1070
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:05,800
after all of that and then
finding out about Ellie being

1071
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,360
immune.
And maybe that's just, maybe I'm

1072
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,720
thinking too much about it, but
my first thought would be how

1073
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:17,360
the fuck are you immune and how
long have you known?

1074
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,280
And why am I just not finding
out?

1075
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:24,160
Like that's something major to
find out about somebody in a

1076
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,560
world full of clicker zombies,
whatever you want to call them.

1077
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,800
You've just told me that you've
been bit before.

1078
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:43,120
I just saw you get bit just now.
You don't think we need to have

1079
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,880
a conversation about that?
No, they went straight from your

1080
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,120
moon.
Immune.

1081
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,280
I proved I'm immune.
OK, let's have sex.

1082
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,560
What?
No, pregnant and just have sex.

1083
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,320
It's just it's too much, too
fast, too weird.

1084
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,320
And, and like I said, I, I get
it from, I do get it from Dena's

1085
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,160
point of view, she's emotional,
she's relieved.

1086
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,720
A whole bunch of things are
going on her in her mind.

1087
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,960
And she probably at that moment
just wants comfort.

1088
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:21,320
I get it, I do.
But to go from that.

1089
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,560
And then of course, you know,
they, they sleep, they wake up

1090
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:29,240
the next morning, they have a,
they're very casual.

1091
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,320
Very, and I don't mean casual in
a as far as the way that they're

1092
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,960
relating to each other.
Because.

1093
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,440
They're talking about, they
don't want to kiss because they,

1094
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,160
they have morning breath.
They're, I mean, it's, it's

1095
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:45,840
very, it's very playful.
It's very oh, we didn't almost

1096
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,080
die.
Is what he is.

1097
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,960
Is is very not, oh, we almost
died last night.

1098
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:59,560
It's like waking up in the bed
in Jackson Hole and everything

1099
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:04,560
is cool.
It's just, it just felt so weird

1100
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,680
to me because all this time my
brain is screaming, you guys are

1101
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,160
not safe.
You guys are not out of the

1102
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,320
woods yet.
You guys are still in danger.

1103
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:17,760
Like, come on, Doris, stranger
danger, stranger danger.

1104
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:22,360
What is going on?
You need to be thinking about

1105
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,600
these things.
But OK, we OK, we've already

1106
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,680
discussed that.
We get some of the background,

1107
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,640
you know, because obviously
Ellie wants to know.

1108
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,640
She was like, so why now?
And then Dina says, OK, well,

1109
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,000
you know, when I was younger, I
told my mom I liked boys and

1110
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,520
girls.
And my mom was like, no, you

1111
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,840
like boys.
So basically she was closeted,

1112
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,240
you know, her mom shamed her or
whatever.

1113
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,040
It was like, no, you only like
boys.

1114
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:50,760
And then that's how she tried to
be.

1115
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,920
So that explains her reticence
in the last few episodes because

1116
01:07:54,920 --> 01:08:02,480
I really, I wasn't sure if she
actually was, you know, just

1117
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,720
kind of on the download, like,
OK, yes, I am gay or I am bi,

1118
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,440
but I don't want to say it.
Or if she was just messing with

1119
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,640
Ellie because they were friends.
It was really getting to the

1120
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,880
point where I was like, I don't
know how I feel about this

1121
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,800
because I don't know if you're
being sincere, if you're just

1122
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,319
baiting her along.
And if you're baiting her along,

1123
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:21,840
she got enough shit to worry
about.

1124
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,279
That's what I didn't want to
happen.

1125
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,840
OK, so we find out she's
positive.

1126
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,160
She tried to.
She tried to make it work with

1127
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,680
Jesse because she actually likes
him, but she realized that he

1128
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,880
was not the one.
And then the talk, again, gets

1129
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,720
really serious really fast
because they talk about the

1130
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:39,800
baby.
They have the jokes about, oh,

1131
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,279
I'm going to be a dad or, you
know, we're all going to be a

1132
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:46,359
family.
And again, it just felt very

1133
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,720
weird considering what they
literally just went through.

1134
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,960
And nowhere during that
conversation is the question

1135
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,920
asked, How are you immune?
How long have you been immune?

1136
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,319
How long have?
You known it's?

1137
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:05,479
Weird.
My, my other issue is that

1138
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:11,200
Ellie, this version of Ellie,
the way they've set her up,

1139
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:18,880
being this sensitive, messy
person, this version of Ellie, I

1140
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,120
would believe would say, you
know what, we're going to be a

1141
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,040
family.
Let's go back, right?

1142
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:32,120
Because we don't see the anger,
we don't see the Ellie that was

1143
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,760
in the in the room talking to
the council either.

1144
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,600
Not not until she hears Nora's
name and then it's like a like.

1145
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,600
And then it's like, oh, I
forgot.

1146
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,600
This is what we came out.
Right, right.

1147
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,520
But I'm seeing it's more
believable that she would be

1148
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,479
like change her mind.
Yeah, You know, I I would, I

1149
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:56,640
would believe that more from
this verse of Ellie then the

1150
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,000
Ellie that we saw when she heard
Nora's name.

1151
01:09:59,480 --> 01:10:03,960
Yeah, you understand what I'm
saying And I don't know all of

1152
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:07,400
all of this is just is we'll see
how it goes.

1153
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,200
We'll see how it goes.
And I, I mean, even once they

1154
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,520
hear the radio and, and they
hear Nora's name and they're

1155
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,640
like, oh, something's going on
because apparently there was

1156
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,880
another attack between the
Seraphytes and the Wolves. 12

1157
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,080
people are killed, but we don't
know.

1158
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,560
I don't think we know who is
killed on what side.

1159
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,360
So they run upstairs to the roof
to see where where all of this

1160
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:36,720
is taking place.
And then Dora, Dina actually

1161
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,440
sits there and figures out on
the map.

1162
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,320
OK, so they said they were in.
I think they said Lakeview.

1163
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,680
OK, that's Lakeview right there.
That's where they are.

1164
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:49,200
And you can see Ellie like she
has a determination on her face,

1165
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,320
but then at the same time, she's
thinking and she turns around to

1166
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,760
Dina.
And she was like, you can stay

1167
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,120
here.
You don't have to come.

1168
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,760
And I knew she was gonna do
that.

1169
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,880
And Dina was like, fuck you.
Like literally says fuck you.

1170
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,880
She was like, I'm, I'm, I'm
staying.

1171
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:12,000
And she was like, no, things are
different now, OK Dina says

1172
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:18,880
we're gonna do this together.
And it it again.

1173
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,800
It's like the whole night
they're getting to know each

1174
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,920
other in in different ways
because of course they know each

1175
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:27,800
other.
They're best friends.

1176
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,360
But now they're looking at each
other in a different way.

1177
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:34,040
They're looking at each other as
lovers, as a potential family

1178
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:37,760
because they automatically, like
it's automatically assumed, oh,

1179
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,160
we're going to raise this child
together.

1180
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:41,480
Yeah, Jess is going to be there,
but we're going to be together.

1181
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:50,320
And all of this, again, it does
in a sense feel rushed, which we

1182
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:54,240
only have, I think this I think
this season is only 7 episodes.

1183
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,920
So we're more than halfway at
this point.

1184
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:00,120
So I guess they figure, OK,
we're going to go ahead and put

1185
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:04,320
this out there and, and make it
so so it's not lingering over

1186
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:09,040
the next episodes.
But now it's kind of like, I

1187
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,040
don't know if I feel like Dina's
going to make it.

1188
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,840
Because of course, in shows like
this, when you give us that kind

1189
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,920
of thing, you give us them
happy.

1190
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,920
You give us, you know, her being
pregnant and being worried and

1191
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,360
all this other stuff.
Something is going to happen.

1192
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,040
Something's going to have to
happen to kind of set Ellie off

1193
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,720
a little bit more.
And I just feel like it's going

1194
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,480
to be Dina.
And I don't want that to happen

1195
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:39,520
because contrary to how we have
been talking in this episode, I

1196
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,640
actually like Dina's character
and I like her and Ellie

1197
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,800
together.
I think she's a good fit for

1198
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,840
Ellie because Ellie is the one
who goes half cocked and doesn't

1199
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:54,480
think about shit, and Dana is
the one that sits her still and

1200
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:59,800
it's like ABC, this is what we
do, this is how we do it, this

1201
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,560
is when we do it and Ellie
actually listens to her.

1202
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,440
So I don't have a problem with
them being together.

1203
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:09,320
I think they're great together.
I just think the timing of the

1204
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:13,480
way that they did it in this
episode was just so weird

1205
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,880
because I, I could be standing
in front of the love of my life

1206
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,000
right now, but if there are
clickers trying to get to me,

1207
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,600
the last thing I'm thinking
about doing is fucking.

1208
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,120
I'm so sorry.
I'm thinking about, OK, how do I

1209
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,360
get away from them?
How do I be safe?

1210
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,520
And now that I have this
additional information, what am

1211
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,480
I going to do with this
information?

1212
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,040
OK, you're immune.
OK, you're pregnant.

1213
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:48,480
Those are both kind of, I don't
want to say weird things to be

1214
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:51,800
right now, but it does make you
vulnerable, Dana, for obvious

1215
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,800
reasons, because we've already
seen she's had morning sickness

1216
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,760
twice, or she's had a version of
morning sickness where she sees

1217
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,680
something that upsets her, she
throws up.

1218
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,680
Which again, if she's throwing
up, how did y'all folks didn't?

1219
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,280
Y'all didn't smell that when
y'all walked in the room.

1220
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,800
But then again, they probably
smell entrails, so never mind.

1221
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:19,560
But Ellie, on the other hand, if
Dina takes time to think about

1222
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,880
that revelation, she's probably
going to realize a lot of things

1223
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,400
real quick.
She's probably going to realize

1224
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,200
why Joel was killed.
She's going to realize why they

1225
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,120
came back.
She's going to realize why Joel

1226
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,680
and Ellie had this friction
between us.

1227
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,080
Because, yeah, if if Dina is as
smart as they are making us

1228
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,600
believe she is, she's gonna put
two and two together.

1229
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:45,480
She's gonna be like, OK, hold
up.

1230
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,040
So you guys came to Jackson and
you left because you were

1231
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:54,160
supposed to go do something.
You both came back.

1232
01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:00,400
And nobody ever talks about
disdain this trip, whatever.

1233
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:06,640
All of a sudden Joel gets killed
by outside people here.

1234
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,800
We are going to find outside
people.

1235
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,320
You're immune.
I mean, she's going to start

1236
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,160
putting two and two together,
and it's going to be one of

1237
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:19,920
those things.
I think it may cause a wedge

1238
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,440
between them.
Because if we've been best

1239
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:25,840
friends for five years, you
didn't think this was important

1240
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,320
enough to tell me.
Even without all the romantic

1241
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:34,000
undertones, we're best friends.
You didn't think this was

1242
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:40,680
important enough to tell me.
And could you have helped with

1243
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,520
people like Eugene or other
people in the town?

1244
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,520
Like is there something that you
could have done to help them?

1245
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:56,720
That if, again, we're back,
we're back to Joe's choice.

1246
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,920
Yeah.
And and and and.

1247
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:07,160
Knowing knowing Dora, she would
have made the same choice.

1248
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,880
Yeah.
She would have made the same

1249
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,680
exact choice.
Yeah.

1250
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,840
You're going to sacrifice
yourself for something we don't

1251
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,000
even know it's going to work.
And if they and if it doesn't

1252
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,000
work and they'll be like, oh,
well, we tried then.

1253
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,720
Yeah, it's dead and gone and she
ain't.

1254
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:26,880
Can't come back from that.
And then you're going to have to

1255
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,720
think about, OK, So what if you
do find this Abby girl?

1256
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,080
OK?
Abby's father was the doctor.

1257
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:40,440
So Abby and her other people, we
know that they they know what

1258
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:46,120
the rumors were regarding Ellie.
So if they happen to come face

1259
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:50,360
to face now and Abby realizes
this is Ellie, this is the

1260
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:55,440
whole, this person right here is
the whole reason your dad died

1261
01:16:55,800 --> 01:17:00,960
and all of your people died.
You don't think she's gonna try

1262
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,560
to take Ellie and be like, oh,
OK, well, we found her.

1263
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,600
She's supposed to be immune.
I mean, Seattle seems to be set

1264
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,720
up pretty nice.
Maybe they have a doctor.

1265
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,640
Maybe they even have the type of
doctor that they need for Ellie.

1266
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,440
What was it that what's the name
said?

1267
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,240
Isaac said to the Seraphine.
He was like, we have, we have

1268
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,680
hospitals, you know, we have
community.

1269
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:29,080
We have hospitals.
Very, very specifically we have

1270
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,360
hospitals.
That means they're probably

1271
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:37,560
equipped to do what needs to be
done with Ellie to do whatever

1272
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,480
they need to.
Do now that you've given the

1273
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:42,040
benefit of the doubt.
I'm just saying it's it's going

1274
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,480
to be a problem.
Because you just because a mass

1275
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:50,640
unit does not make a hospital,
you still need a neurosurgeon.

1276
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:55,080
You're going to need probably a
pathologist.

1277
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,240
But that's what I'm saying.
How do we not know that they may

1278
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:01,760
not have one of those?
I mean, they had another surgeon

1279
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:07,400
and two nurses in Salt Lake.
And I said this before, they're

1280
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,720
not going to put all of these
important people in one spot

1281
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,360
specifically for a scenario like
what Joel did again, but.

1282
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,480
Wasn't he a dental surgeon?
I mean, he wasn't neurosurgery.

1283
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,280
Wasn't Herschel on The Walking
Dead a veterinarian?

1284
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,240
But he's able to do what he
needed to do to help people.

1285
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:28,720
Yeah, but neurosurgery is not
just something you just be like,

1286
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,520
yeah, I got it.
Maybe they don't have to do the

1287
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,440
neurosurgery.
Maybe some of this?

1288
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:38,000
Yeah, I mean, they might be
like, huh, maybe a maybe a blood

1289
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,520
transfusion is the trick.
Maybe that's all we have to.

1290
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,720
Do no we we saw what happened to
that little black boy when she

1291
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,080
put her blood on there he.
Came, but we don't answer.

1292
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:48,880
I don't care.
We're talking that's.

1293
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,360
Your theory we don't know.
We're talking about he.

1294
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,120
Changed faster?
No, because, you know, you walk.

1295
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,520
Around and fake the people.
No, you know what?

1296
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,720
Uh huh.
Because now I think about it,

1297
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,960
most of the affected people,
they turn almost instantly.

1298
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:09,720
Heat survived overnight.
OK, I ain't going back to

1299
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:14,200
rewatch so I'll.
I'm just saying it's it's

1300
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:18,720
possible.
But either way, it goes again.

1301
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,600
Here we go.
We got we got the soap opera

1302
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,160
taking place with the two of.
Them hold, hold up, stop, stop,

1303
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:28,520
stop, stop.
So they could have done blood

1304
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:33,840
transfusion Sprite, but that
would have required them to

1305
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:39,440
sacrifice somebody.
Not necessarily, because these

1306
01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:48,160
things need to be steady.
Well, I mean, so you don't have

1307
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,560
to kill someone to do a blood
transfusion.

1308
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,360
You can like be a live person
doing a blood transfusion.

1309
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,040
You don't.
Yeah, but how?

1310
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:56,640
How you going to know if it
works though?

1311
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:03,760
Well, I mean, they could always.
OK, so now I'm.

1312
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,000
I don't really think they, I
really don't think they thought

1313
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,280
it through.
So my mind is going back to

1314
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,800
another vampire movie of sorts,
I Am Legend.

1315
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:16,840
OK, Now I don't know if they
would ever be able to catch one

1316
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,920
of the clickers and kind of
restrain it the way that Will

1317
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,400
Smith did an I Am Legend.
But if they were able to, if

1318
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:28,760
they were able to find a way to
kind of restrain it and maybe do

1319
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:33,120
testing on it, like, OK, we have
her blood, let's let's see if it

1320
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:37,000
has any effect on her.
That could be a possibility.

1321
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,360
The only thing that's going to
fuck with that is the fact that

1322
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,560
they they share a hive mind.
So if something is happening to

1323
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,800
1, I think the others feel it
just like with, you know, the

1324
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,600
tendrils.
And once something touches them,

1325
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,080
it's like everybody knows where
to go where, where those

1326
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,160
tendrils are located.
So that's the only thing I can

1327
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:58,680
think of that would kind of fuck
it up.

1328
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:02,080
But if they were able to get a
test subject, they wouldn't have

1329
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,600
to kill anyone.
They'd be able to be like, oh,

1330
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,000
OK, well let's just inject some
of her blood and see what it

1331
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,280
does.
They they're saying they didn't

1332
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,160
do anything because the
clicker's already changed.

1333
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:15,040
It makes it keeps you from.
Being that's why I said I was

1334
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,320
thinking like I am Legend
because what he was doing in the

1335
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,400
movie, I have not read that
book, but what he was doing in

1336
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:25,160
the movie, it was actually
reversing them and and it was

1337
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:26,560
changing them back to.
Human.

1338
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,240
That's a totally different
process, OK.

1339
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,600
Look, I'm just throwing stuff
around.

1340
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,720
We're talking about, we're
talking about Infected Mushroom

1341
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,160
people walking around with that.
That's I'm just throwing stuff

1342
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,800
around.
I'm just saying.

1343
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:48,920
So I don't know, like, I, I
think the most interesting part

1344
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:52,480
of this episode for me was Isaac
and what's going on with the

1345
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:56,120
wolves and the Seraphites.
Because I have a feeling that is

1346
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:01,640
probably going to play a big
picture, a big part and what

1347
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:06,160
Ellie decides to do or not do.
Because it's one thing when you

1348
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:10,440
think you're coming to take care
of a group of five.

1349
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:14,720
It's another thing when you find
out that group of five belong to

1350
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,880
a larger group and you're like,
OK, well, like Dina said, she

1351
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:21,240
was like, So what if we find
somebody who wasn't in Jackson

1352
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,240
and Ellie just looked at her.
So that look basically told her

1353
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,400
we're going to kill them, too,
OK.

1354
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:28,920
That's what we got to do.
That's what we got to do.

1355
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,920
Fine.
But you didn't come prepared,

1356
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:38,440
and you don't have enough anger
in you right now to deal with

1357
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:44,000
all of the wolves and to deal
with these these Seraphites who

1358
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,360
apparently have no problems
stringing up and gutting people

1359
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,400
and leaving them the hang.
You are not prepared for that.

1360
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:57,680
No.
And if anybody from the wolves

1361
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,640
or even anybody from the
Seraphites, OK, the Seraphites

1362
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,000
are going to look at her and be
like, OK, she's not from here.

1363
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:06,680
But I don't know what their
practice is.

1364
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:10,720
I don't know how they bring
people in, but if she wants to

1365
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,520
try to blend in by going in with
them, they wouldn't turn her

1366
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,720
away.
I mean, it was just like what

1367
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,440
the guy say.
He was like, yeah, y'all people

1368
01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:20,160
come to us all the time and
convert.

1369
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,920
We don't ever come to y'all.
If anybody from the wolves sees

1370
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:29,000
Ellie and Dina, they're going to
capture them.

1371
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,640
They're probably going to
question them and be like, how

1372
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,320
the fuck did you get into our
city?

1373
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:37,400
Where did you come from?
How did you know we were here?

1374
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:39,480
That's going to be dangerous for
them.

1375
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:44,520
And then if Abby or any of the
others happen to see Ellie and

1376
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,120
recognize her as the girl who
came in guns blazing when they

1377
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,480
were about to kill Joel, she's
going to have a whole different

1378
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:54,360
set of problems.
She is not prepared.

1379
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,800
And then for her to be going on
this, to have the additional

1380
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:03,160
emotional weight that she now
has, she's not prepared.

1381
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,720
I don't know if she's, I don't
know if she's in the right mind

1382
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,040
frame to do what she needs to do
now, Grant, if she sees Abby,

1383
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,640
I'm sure that's that switch will
flip real quick.

1384
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:21,480
But right now, I just don't know
if I feel like she's where she

1385
01:24:21,480 --> 01:24:23,280
needs to be.
She's got 2.

1386
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:25,160
She's got too many other things
going on.

1387
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:27,920
She's got too many distractions
and she's got too many other

1388
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:32,120
factors that she didn't think
about when she decided to make

1389
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:38,520
this trip.
So I, I, I don't know how I'm

1390
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:46,680
feeling at this point.
I, I don't know, I, I have a

1391
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,960
feeling things are about to get
very weird.

1392
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,320
Things are about to get very
dangerous.

1393
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,720
I I just need for them to
recover from this episode

1394
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:01,000
because this, this does not bode
well for this series.

1395
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,240
If this is what we're going to
be dealing with.

1396
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,120
The rest.
I was fully expecting we were

1397
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:10,120
going to get like an episode, a
body in the episode for every

1398
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,240
person that was there that
killed Joel.

1399
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:17,080
It doesn't look like that.
And and this is I don't, I

1400
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:18,920
don't, I don't, I don't want
this.

1401
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,920
Yeah.
And side note, and you know what

1402
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,000
the ratings would have happened
to the ratings.

1403
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,960
No, I haven't checked.
Oh, they've tanked.

1404
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,520
Oh, OK.
They've tanked.

1405
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,160
Yeah, yeah.
So you guys going to have to.

1406
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,760
Consider.
Like I said, we still need some

1407
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,600
flashback episodes with Joel.
Bring bring Joel back, I mean.

1408
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:46,400
We need more Jeffrey Wright.
I mean, he might do it too,

1409
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,640
because like I said, we don't
know what's going on with Isaac

1410
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:56,200
now, but one thing about him he
has he has the Joel and Tommy

1411
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,400
vibes.
I think from from season 1 when

1412
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,280
when they talked about, yeah, my
brother and I, we did some

1413
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,560
terrible things.
Isaac is we're.

1414
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,520
We're looking at it.
Yeah, yeah.

1415
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:14,400
So I will say this, I still have
hopes that Tommy maybe at some

1416
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:19,000
point decided to follow Ellie to
Seattle, maybe to talk her out

1417
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,560
of what she was going to do or
maybe to join her.

1418
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:30,280
But if that doesn't happen, I
just and I think we we also have

1419
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,520
to remember they do have a
season 3 coming up.

1420
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:36,080
And I think I think it was
Carlos that I was talking to and

1421
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,400
he was like, OK, so I think
they're going to stop the season

1422
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:42,080
with the Seattle stuff and then
move on to the third season.

1423
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,720
I'm like, what Seattle stuff?
But I didn't want spoilers.

1424
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,640
But if you're going to focus the
rest of the season on the Wolves

1425
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,640
and the Seraphites, that means
we may not get Abby and her

1426
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:56,160
company until next season, which
probably won't drop until this

1427
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:57,960
is 20.
It probably won't drop until

1428
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:03,320
late 2026 or 2027.
Most likely 2027 because I think

1429
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:07,640
season 1 came out in 2023,
right?

1430
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:15,240
20/20/2020. 3.
So I, I, I don't know.

1431
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:19,920
I'm just, OK, we've established
y'all are together, OK, now

1432
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,080
y'all need to go kick some ass
because that's what I'm here to

1433
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,160
say.
I am on the I am on the Revenge

1434
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:28,840
Rd. tour.
I don't need, like you said, I

1435
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,480
don't need The CW stuff yet.
Wait until later.

1436
01:27:31,480 --> 01:27:33,440
Wait until you've done what you
came to do.

1437
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:37,240
You don't need any distractions
right now because you already

1438
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:39,800
know.
And if you didn't know before

1439
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,960
you stepped into Seattle, you
know it now.

1440
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:46,640
These people are trained.
These people are dangerous and

1441
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,240
you don't have time for the
distractions.

1442
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:55,840
You don't have time to and I
hate to say it, Joel is dead

1443
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:00,320
because Joel let his guard down.
He was trying to help somebody

1444
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,280
else who won was not part of
your town.

1445
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,800
I and I think, and I'm going to
blame some of that on Maria,

1446
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,000
because Joel was the person who
was like, we don't need to keep

1447
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,440
bringing stragglers in.
We don't have the room, we don't

1448
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:19,280
have the resources.
Maria tried to make it seem like

1449
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,560
he was a bad person for having
that thought.

1450
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,200
So then when you run into
somebody who is about to get

1451
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,680
whatever, your instinct now is
to save that person, even though

1452
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,320
you don't know who this person
is, you don't know why she's

1453
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:36,160
there.
Like why are you out here by

1454
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,880
yourself?
Like who are you?

1455
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:44,840
Where did you come from?
I I think that's, that's a lot

1456
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,040
of the reason why Joel is dead.
Part of it is on Joel.

1457
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,800
And I'm going to put a little
bit of it on Maria.

1458
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:55,280
Ellie cannot afford that.
No, she can't.

1459
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,840
Like I said, she can't.
She can't make any mistakes.

1460
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:00,280
No.
She she can't.

1461
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:01,360
She can't.
She can't.

1462
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:04,240
Not in this situation.
No.

1463
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:11,160
SO OK, I realize you have to go
because you have things to do.

1464
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:14,440
So do you have any final
thoughts about this episode?

1465
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:19,800
No, but I hadn't thought about
the preview for next week's

1466
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,120
episode.
OK, what's your thought 'cause

1467
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,520
I'm trying to remember, I know I
saw.

1468
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:30,040
It we're getting sports.
Oh, we're getting scores.

1469
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:35,320
Yes, yes, sports and and and
that's all I'm going to say.

1470
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:40,440
I when, when, when I saw that at
the end of the the preview,

1471
01:29:40,440 --> 01:29:43,240
because I'm looking, I'm like,
oh, OK, it's, it's, it's going

1472
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:45,640
to pick up a little bit in the
next episode.

1473
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,480
And then you see the spores and
I was just like, she's.

1474
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,720
Like, how did you you sent your
whole squad down there to die?

1475
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,360
We're trying to figure it out.
She's like.

1476
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,240
It's in.
The air.

1477
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:01,080
And then you see and then you
see one of them and it's like

1478
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:05,560
blowing spores at Ellie.
And I'm like wait, is Ellie is

1479
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:09,680
she immune to the spores too?
Like now I now I have deeper

1480
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:14,440
questions but holy shit the the
the threat level just raised by

1481
01:30:14,440 --> 01:30:17,040
like 1,000,000.
If anything can turn the show

1482
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,040
around, it's going to be that.
OK.

1483
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,800
And on that note, that is it for
our show.

1484
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,880
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1485
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,640
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1486
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:31,480
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1487
01:30:31,480 --> 01:30:33,440
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1488
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,600
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1489
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,320
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1490
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,240
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