The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 5 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #356

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and we are
discussing season 2, episode 5

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of The Last of Us.
I'm going to say it took me a

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minute to get through this
episode.

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The first, the 1st 2025 minutes,
it was just a lot of talking and

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a lot of like not so much
action.

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And I was just getting to the
point where I was like, can we

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go?
Can we go?

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We only have this and two more
episodes.

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We need to ramp it up and then.
When it was up, it wasn't even

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exposition.
Yeah.

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It was, it wasn't even really
sad, but I will say the the cold

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open, I guess this will call the
the very beginning.

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OK, now that got me interested
because it was it's almost like

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it was set up to be like a
horror episode because she's

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looking all nervous.
She's like smoking a cigarette,

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you know, She just looks like
she's just stressed out.

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Right.
Which when we find out what's

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going on, it's like.
Oh, yeah, Because she's like,

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oh, you know, we were on B2B1,
you know, it was clear.

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No rats.
OK, That should be typical.

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There's nothing there.
And you know, I sent the squad

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down to B2.
No, that's not typical.

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That's that's that's why it
stood out because.

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Because there's no, there's
nothing.

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You should at least have some
rats or some kind of rodents, he

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said.
There was nothing there.

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There's nothing.
Nothing.

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There and the the lady, I can't
remember what her name was.

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Hanaran.
Hanaran, yes.

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She was the one that we met when
we were introduced to Isaac.

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And she was like, yeah, they're
talking about you.

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You know, you killed your team.
You sent your team down there to

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die.
And when she starts talking

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about it and she was like, yeah,
I sent the team, including Leon.

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And it's like the whole room
changed because the other chick

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was like Leon.
Oh, shit.

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And I was like, OK, Leon is
either her husband, her son or

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somebody that is like really,
really close to her.

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But she said he was the best.
She said he was my best soldier.

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She called he called her on the
walkie and and was coughing and.

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Couldn't breathe.
Couldn't breathe, I.

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Told her it's in the air, seal
us off because they were.

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They're in the hospital in
Seattle.

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They have three basement floors.
She said, I sent the team down

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to B1.
There was nothing there,

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absolutely nothing there.
OK, they cleared it B2, she

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said.
I caught, you know, call him on

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the radio.
He was like, OK, everything

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looks OK for now.
And then like a few minutes

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later, that's how quick it was.
She was like, he couldn't

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breathe.
And he he said it's in the air

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sealing in and and Hannah Ran is
looking at her like.

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Great boy, what did?
You just say, she said.

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It's in.
The in the air.

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And she had to make a decision
to shut her son down in the

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basement so that that wouldn't
spread to the rest of the

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hospital and eventually to the
city.

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Yeah, 'cause she's like, you
wasn't in the vents, so say

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anybody you think it's like,
Nope, it didn't spread, nothing,

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everybody's fine.
Yeah.

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Seal it all off.
Don't we tell me to know because

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that real.
Because ain't nobody going to

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want to go in the hospital.
No at all.

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At all.
Like, OK, I understand you said

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you sealed it off because we
even saw the way it looked when

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they sealed it off.
Her other soldiers are looking

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like ain't too much else we can
do.

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And Hannah Ran sits there and
tells her she was like, she was

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like, well, as far as I'm
concerned, you are a fucking

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hero and you will be commended
as such.

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And then when she gets relieved,
she was like, I'm sorry about

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your son.
I was like, you know this.

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This brings me season 1 episode
2 vibes.

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When they were talking to the
doctor and they were like, So

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what can we do?
And she was like, bomb, bomb the

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city.
That's that's kind of how it

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felt with this one.
Like the stakes are that high.

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But OK, I'm not a science
person.

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I don't really understand how
this stuff works.

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It's been a while since I've had
high school science or biology

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or whatever.
So how is it that the spores are

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down there but they're not
traveling through the vents?

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Because isn't that unusual?
It's possible that the central,

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the union is not on.
Oh, well, yeah, duh.

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OK.
It's also possible that the

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filters are still good, the HVAC
filters if it is on.

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OK, OK, because.
This is more likely that the

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HVAC is not on.
OK, because I was going to say,

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it's one thing to hear it's in
the air.

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It's airborne at the beginning
of the episode.

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And then when you get towards
the end of the episode and Ellie

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is down there and you literally
see the spores floating in the

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air, and when she sees the
people who are who have been

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trapped, I mean, she does see
the I think.

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That was Leon's team, yeah.
And she sees someone else that

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could have been there.
I was watching the After show.

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Some of those people have been
down there probably for years.

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I was like, how?
Because you saw it?

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Breathe in, breathe out is just
stuff.

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And you do the puffs coming out
of their mouth.

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I was like, I feel so gross
watching it.

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So I there was a lot of me
saying towards the end of this

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episode, like I said, the first
part of the episode, I was just

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kind of like, OK, so we've
established the relationship

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thing.
Now they're kind of back to

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normal, which is, which is cool.
But I was just like, it's just

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not moving fast.
There's not enough happening.

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And I think part of that is I
like the suspense of it, but

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also at the same time, I don't
like the suspense of it.

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I told you I'm very funny when
it comes to horror and when it

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comes to those types of things,
I already know y'all are about

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to scare the shit out of me.
Just go ahead and do it.

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Get it over with.
You don't have to give me 20

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minutes of what, what, what are
they about to do?

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You don't have to give me that.
Just just go ahead and get it

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out the way.
And and there was a lot of of

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extraneous stuff like Ellie
going into the theater and

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playing the guitar, which here
we go again, making all this

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noise.
Well, OK, so about that part,

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that didn't bother me as much
because obviously they've been

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in this theater now for 24
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They they pretty much know it's
clear because that's where they

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spent the night right after
Ellie got bit and they've been

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there.
So for her to go around

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exploring while Dina, you know,
the brain is figuring out all

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this stuff.
I was like, OK.

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Dora.
I think it was.

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I think it was interesting for
me because we have to remember

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Ellie has never seen any of this
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So to kind of go through that
space and look at her face and

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just kind of the wonder of it
all.

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I'm fine.
With that, it didn't bother me.

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I'm.
Fine with that.

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And the, the part about her
playing the guitar, it took on a

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different meaning this time
because when she gets ready to

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start singing, she only says one
lyric.

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And that was if something like
if I knew I was going to lose

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you.
And she stops and her face

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completely changes.
And it's almost like, oh, I

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remember why I'm here now.
And it's like for the rest of

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the episode, she's a little bit
harder.

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She has a little more edge
because it's almost like she has

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been reminded now that.
OK, yeah, it's nice that, you

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know, Dina and I have figured
this thing out.

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And we're making jokes about,
you know, how much I don't know

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because I didn't go to school.
But at the end of the day, This

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is why I'm here.
I need to put on my serious

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face.
And it was interesting to watch

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her transition into that because
again, Bella Ramsey does a lot

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with their face.
And you could see the

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progression of of the thoughts
changing and of that, that click

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that light bulb moment.
And I was just like, oh, OK,

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it's it's about to get serious
now because she's like, OK, This

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is why I'm here, so let's go.
And, and we did see a little bit

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of Ellie.
I asked about the the revenge

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Ellie, just just just a little
bit, I mean, before we get

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before we got to the horror
section of the show, which we

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because she did kind of flip
that switch where she was like,

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oh, no, you know what?
We we don't have to do this.

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What am I doing?
What are we doing?

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We can go back right now.
And you know, Dora tells her

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story about the first person she
killed.

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And then Ellie, she's like,
well, I'll, I'll go with you or

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I'll keep going forward.
Which one do Ellie is like go

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forward?
Yeah.

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OK, here we go.
There, there's, there's a little

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bit of that, that revenge of
coming out.

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Because now she's, she's getting
permission to, I guess in a

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sense, put her friend in danger
because.

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To be reckless.
She was yeah, like as they said,

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but you know, out that whole
scene where they saw the

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Seraphytes just kind of piled up
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the prophet where it says feel
her love and and I guess some of

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the wolves were like, feel this
bitch and put all of the dead

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bodies up under there.
I think they both looked at that

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and they were like, oh, we are
in way over our heads now.

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Like this is not just some
revenge.

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Oh, let me go find this girl and
and do this because I I was

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thinking about that this
weekend.

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She doesn't even know for sure
if Abby is in Seattle.

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She has no clue.
The only clue she has was

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hearing Nora's name and.
Knowing exactly where she was,

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yes, because apparently, yeah,
apparently they don't.

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They don't really hide their
transmissions because the only

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people you got to worry about
don't use electricity.

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And I was like, oh, that's that.
That's.

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Dangerous because you're you're
basically taking your safety for

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granted.
Yeah.

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And then you have someone like
Ellie who is small enough to fit

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into crawl spaces and shit, and
she she can get in and and get

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to you.
But OK, we had to touch on these

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Sarah fights for a minute
because I was not expecting what

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I saw in this episode from the
Sarah fights.

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Like, yeah, I know we saw them
stringing people up in the last

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episode, but they also tortured
one of the Sarah fights, you

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know, Isaac did.
So I'm just like, OK, tit for

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tat.
That's just what it is.

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Like, oh, we got to get our
people out.

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Oh, you tortured him and then
shot him.

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OK, we're going to go revenge.
Then you see what we see in the

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forest in this episode with
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They have one of the wolves and
he's like, no, I'm not going to

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turn.
I'm not going to turn.

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Or at least at that point he's
like, yeah, I'll turn, I'll

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turn.
I'll join.

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I'll join.
It's too late, bro.

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What?
They're about to do, yeah.

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It's too late bro, you have the
chance.

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I was like oh snap and.
And I was like, OK, so they're

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about to hang them.
OK, pretty, you know,

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straightforward, right?
Oh, no.

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They pulled him up.
They stuck a bucket up under his

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feet.
And then they took the.

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I don't know what that thing is
called.

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The side of the side.
Yes, and put it on him and cut

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him and cut him a little bit and
then left it there while he's

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being pulled up so that it cuts
the rest of him and his

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intestines come out.
I have a problem.

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I have a problem with that.
Way over your.

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Head do one or the other, not
both at the same time.

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That's just a different level.
Of cruel.

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That's a different level of
cruel.

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That is a different level of
brutality.

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It's it's totally, totally
unnecessary.

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Yeah.
And then you start to wonder,

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what is it that makes a person
do that isn't?

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Is it the world that turns you
that way?

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Or were you already that way and
the world gives you an excuse to

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to be like this?
And then they say, oh, oh, let's

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free him.
Oh, and now he is free.

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What?
Of course he is free.

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Everything inside of him is
free.

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When I say watching all of these
dystopian type shows movies,

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it's always that religious sect
that goes so overboard and I'm

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like, This is why I don't fuck
with religion.

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This is why I don't.
Y'all are not about to Jim Jones

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me.
Absolutely not, no.

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And now I understand why the
wolves kind of treat treat them

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like that, because that's kind
of scary.

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Yeah, but again, it makes you
wonder, were they like that

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before the wolves, or did the
wolves push them to be like

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that?
I feel like, OK, it's I think

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it's one of those things where
it if, I don't want to say this,

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but if you get a sadist or
someone kind of crazy in charge

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of a cult, they do crazy shit
like this.

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Right.
Yeah.

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So maybe the Seraphytes were one
way already.

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Then you get the right person or
the right people in charge, and

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then it kind of becomes
attractive to that type of

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personality, that type of person
who would be into dismemberment

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and hanging and torture.
So I don't think it's as much as

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the wolves made them that way.
I kind of think someone probably

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steered them in that.
Direction Spark already there?

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Yeah, they were probably already
kind of tiptoeing into that

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lake.
And then whatever the wolves

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did, maybe in reaction to what
the Seraphites were doing, they

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probably are using that as a
justification, like, oh, OK.

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Well, they didn't just like the
guy who we saw in the last

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episode, you know, you're
training your kids to shoot you.

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You're you're killing our kids
'cause you trained your kids to

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shoot at us.
No, we, we trained our kids to

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defend our territory against
Raiders and to kill clickers,

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right?
Y'all crazy people y'all.

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On a whole different level on a.
Whole different level.

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So we are I, I have a feeling in
the wolves were defending

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themselves against the serif ICE
and, you know, whatever treaty

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they had, again, all it takes is
one or two people to get a

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little bit of power in a group
like that and they can change

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their whole dogma.
Yeah.

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Into that insanity.
Because there's no reason to do

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all the extra.
There's no reason.

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So someone has to want to do
that.

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Because even the way that
they're what they're doing with

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the bodies, just kind of it,
it's almost like they're using

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them as props, you know, like,
oh, OK, yeah, we're going to

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hang these people over here and
have their intestines hanging

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out so their friends can find
them.

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And oh, we're going to put these
20 bodies over here.

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Multiple.
I don't know if it's gunshots or

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if they were stabbed 'cause I
don't think the seraphights use

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guns.
No they don't the possible.

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Yeah, so those are all stab
wounds and, and puncture wounds

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and you just line them up and
then you mock their religious

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figure on the wall like, hey,
look what we did.

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That's a whole different kind of
crazy.

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And I don't blame Ellie for
being like, you know what, we

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need to go home.
She was like, what are what?

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What are we doing?
We need to go home.

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You're pregnant.
What the fuck was I thinking?

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Well, first of all, neither one
of y'all knew she was pregnant

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when y'all set off on this.
Yeah, but you see Isaac, Isaac

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being a soldier and being in
charge, he wouldn't necessarily

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endorse that kind of thing,
right, Because the torturing for

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information is one thing.
Lonnie did body zip to send a

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message.
OK.

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Yeah, Yeah, no, I don't think, I
don't think he would do that

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because that that kind of
contradicts the person that we

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met and why he left Federal in
the 1st place.

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He left Federal because Federal
was not taking care of their

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people.
They were being bullies.

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They were, you know, they were
doing all this inhumane stuff.

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And I mean, we saw that from the
first season as well.

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Federal is like, yeah, they are
trying to help the people out,

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but they were doing it in a
radicalized way to the point

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where they were like, oh, OK,
we're going to bomb some people

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to get our point across.
And the Fireflies were doing it

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too.
Again, going back to Mike's

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point, there is no clear good,
good people or bad people in

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this.
It's like everyone has reasons

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for why they're doing what
they're doing.

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And I get that, especially in
this type of world where there

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there are no laws and.
Resources Unlimited.

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Right.
But it's like once you once you

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cross a certain threshold.
And and again and and like Isaac

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seemed like the type of person
if they have been able to

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establish a treaty with the
Sarah fights someone breaks the

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treaty, probably because they
want to stir stuff up.

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You got crazy people on both
sides doing stupid stuff.

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And they're, you know, I'm sure
the leaders on both sides are

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trying to figure out how to
coexist or at least out of each

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other's way.
But there's always going to be

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people in both factions that
like the conflict, that like to

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hang and torture people and lie
dead bodies up to prove the

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point, you know what I mean?
And.

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I think you said something maybe
a couple weeks ago we were

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talking about.
It might have been this, it

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might have been Wheel of Time,
but you were like, why are

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people like this?
Like the whole world ends And

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you would think, and I think
I've said this too, you would

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think you would use that as, I
don't know, a starting point to

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build something different from
what you had before.

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Because obviously what you had
before didn't work.

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Because if it did, the world
wouldn't just be wiped out the

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way it is.
But in every almost every

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dystopian I know end of the
world future, the only people

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who make it are the ones who
willing to do anything to make

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it.
The nice people never make it.

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I know the people who are trying
to look out for everyone never

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make it and that's why
associated.

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With the people who are willing
to do everything.

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Right.
Yeah.

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So that's how you get what Mike
says.

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At this point, there are no good
people.

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There are no bad people.
Everyone's doing what they can

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to survive, right?
Yeah.

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And the only people who do very
well at that are the ones who

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are willing to do anything and
everything to to to survive.

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Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
You got 8 year old Dora the

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Explorer running around shooting
people willing to do that?

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Yeah. 8.
Year old one stop and play and

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she takes a gun with her.
Well, I mean, but they were

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already in dangerous times, so
it was kind of like, OK, you got

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to protect yourself.
And I think that's probably the

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only reason why she took it,
because she said she

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specifically said she wanted to,
she just wanted to go out and

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play and her mom was scared to
let her go outside.

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So but. 15 year old hand and
since enough to know right that

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she needed to take a gun. 8
years old.

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Yeah, just so she go outside to
play.

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Right.
And then she ends up witnessing

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what she witnesses.
You know, she hears her mom and

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sister screaming.
There's this guy, a Raider who

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comes in, does whatever he does
to them.

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And she comes in and she kind of
catches him.

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And she said he looked shocked
when I walked in the house.

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He looked even more shocked when
I shot him.

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I was.
And it was an interesting line

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that was almost a throwaway line
that makes me think that Dora

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might be just as bad as Joel was
in the past because she said,

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well, how did you end up in
Jackson?

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Let's not talk about.
Yeah, she was like, that doesn't

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matter.
Right, she did some stuff.

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Yeah, especially if she's 8 and
she's by herself.

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She probably had to to survive
to.

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Survive.
Which is probably also why she's

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so good at the planning and
trying to make sure that she,

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you know, that Ellie's being
caught cautious because again,

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Ellie is the firecracker.
She is the one that is, you

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know, shoot, literally shoot
first, ask questions later.

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This is her whole personality.
And I think some of that was

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her, some of that was Joe.
But Dora is very methodical.

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She is.
She's very smart.

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And I believe she probably feels
like she can get them out of any

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situation they get in.
She has a lot of confidence

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about what they're doing.
She's not hesitating at all.

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She's like, we can roll and do
this or we can go back home.

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Yeah.
She doesn't matter her one way

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or another.
That's kind of.

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Because I think also too, what
happened to Joe, that was

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personal for her because he was
there.

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And then even when she says it
to Ellie, she was like, I don't

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care what Joel did to make these
people come and find him.

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So obviously she knows.
They didn't just randomly come

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and get them.
I don't care what Joel did to

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make these people come and find
him.

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He didn't deserve that.
He deserve it.

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And again, Ellie's face, I was
like, she knows.

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She knows.
Then when she talks about what

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happened to her family and she
tells Ellie she was like, look,

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if, if I die during doing this,
that's on me, not you, she said.

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But if that guy had gotten away,
there is nothing that would have

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stopped me from from hunting him
forever.

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And she's she's literally
looking at Ellie, giving her

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permission to say, you know
what?

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I know you're scared.
I know you're scared about this.

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I'm good.
Whatever you want to do, I got

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your back.
And I think Ellie probably

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really needed to hear that
because again, I feel like in

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her mind, she may feel a little
guilt about Joel dying because

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Joel ended up dying.
Why?

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Because of what he did to save
her.

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And I, I think she carries that
with her.

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And then now she's going through
all this stuff.

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Like she knows that.
I mean, we, we hear it at the

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end of the episode.
She knows what Joel did, and she

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knows why he did it.
And it doesn't matter to her

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that, Oh yeah, this was this
girl's father that he killed.

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She's just like I.
Don't care.

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I don't care, you know, And I
think part of that is now maybe

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because she had to sit there and
watch what happened to Joel, she

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ended up having to put herself
in his shoes.

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Joel was not going to sit there
and just let them kill her.

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That's why he did what he did.
And I think she understands that

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now.
And there's probably a little

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more rage in her about that as
well.

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Like, oh, this is what this
feels like.

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OK, I understand now.
But going back to Miss Dena

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Dora, yeah, she got it together.
She's brave.

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She she's can get them out of
anything up until she comes

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across some smart ass clickers
and.

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She had faced them before, but
Ellie has.

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But not not in that box, so.
Not in that number, but Ellie.

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Ellie was.
She had the right idea.

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She was like, OK, this is what
we got to do.

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But then, oh, it's two of them.
Oh shit.

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Oh, it's 30.
It's 10.

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Like they just started popping
up everywhere and.

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That's why that building is
empty and.

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Here's the other thing that I
was curious about when they

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started hearing the clicker, the
first one, I think it was a

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girl, because you could tell by
the voice, because the noise and

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the trills that it makes, it
almost sounds like, I don't know

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if I want to say it sounds like
that clicker still had some kind

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of cognizance about it.
It sounds like like.

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Like they're struggling like.
They're playing, yeah.

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That too.
But like they're struggling,

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like it's making noises almost
like a whimper.

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And I know part of that is
probably just to lower them in

451
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,800
like, oh, make you think that
somebody is hurt so you can come

452
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,560
over here.
But something ain't right about

453
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,200
these clickers.
It ain't right.

454
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:38,360
I I think it, it's almost as if
the way these stalkers are, the

455
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:42,120
way they're kind of not made,
but the way they operate is

456
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,800
whoever they're in, because we
kind of know the way it works is

457
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:51,280
it puts the host in like a
hallucinogenic state where

458
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,400
because it has to keep them
alive, but it takes so, so it's

459
00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,520
almost as if it's allowing them
to have like a peek out just

460
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,720
enough to to be like, I'm
struggling, help me, but they

461
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,640
have no control over what's
happening.

462
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,320
Right.
So it it's really interesting

463
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,680
these stalkers and because I
don't think the Cordyceps knows

464
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,520
how to make them talk, you know,
it's not using that part of the

465
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,760
brain, but it can allow them to
express any they start.

466
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,600
Doing that.
But yeah, I don't think

467
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,640
Cordyceps because it works on
the fundamental level.

468
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,120
It just wants to to propagate
and procreate and spread.

469
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,520
But it's it's like it's allowing
the person because it it may

470
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,080
have happened once and in the
Cordyceps this keep allowing it

471
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,840
to happen because it helps
propagate.

472
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,320
Yeah.
That's scary though.

473
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,520
Horror.
You think this thing turned into

474
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,480
a straight horror movie?
Again, Paul told up.

475
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,240
I was like y'all can't be
stressing me out.

476
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,080
I was like y'all are y'all
stressing me out?

477
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,680
And then when she told Dennis
she was like OK look you go over

478
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,320
there, I will lure them over
here.

479
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,040
She was like I can get bit.
And then she said I can get bit

480
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,600
a lot.
You can't.

481
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,600
Do you know how much you can get
bit?

482
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,760
Like how many times have you
gotten bit that we don't even

483
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,000
know about?
Yeah, that's like when she said

484
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,040
yeah, I got I got you.
You kill that without Yeah, but

485
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,080
he got me first and she's like
he bitch you and she was like I.

486
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,440
Can tell you because back then
she definitely would have shot

487
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,920
her on site.
Right.

488
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,600
But I, when they started, you
know, they looked and they were

489
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,080
like, OK, we're going to have
this plan.

490
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,240
We're going to, we're going to
lure it and, you know, because

491
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,520
we can kill it.
So we're going to split up and

492
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,760
whoever it goes after the other
one's going to come behind.

493
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,560
Like, it's good plan, right?
And then it was sitting there

494
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,960
just like, OK, Because I think
in her mind she was also

495
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,040
thinking like, OK, if anybody's
going to die in this scenario,

496
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,760
it's going to be me because I'm
not immune.

497
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,800
That's going to be my.
Yeah.

498
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,800
And then they get up, they see
the one and there's a, there's

499
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,520
another one.
They were like, yeah, no, it's

500
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,320
two of them.
Yeah.

501
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,960
I think we need to turn around
and go.

502
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,160
They turn around and go.
And it's like 5-6 of them, just

503
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,720
all heights.
I was just like, you know what?

504
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,000
I think Ellie was like, OK, you
go over there.

505
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,360
I would lure them over here.
They gave each other that kiss,

506
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,600
like, I may not see you again.
And Dana takes off and she finds

507
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,640
that little, that little cage to
get in.

508
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,120
And then they start attacking
Ellie like she's shooting and

509
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,600
she's getting them off, but then
they attack her and they start

510
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,560
biting her.
And I was just like, Oh my God,

511
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:53,280
like, are we really about to see
how durable she is and how how

512
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,920
immune she is?
I.

513
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,360
Have an issue?
What's the issue?

514
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,200
My issue My issue is do you
watch World War Z?

515
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,920
OK so world World War Z the
virus wants to spread but it

516
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,800
only wants to spread the healthy
host.

517
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,800
Somebody ignores steak host
right?

518
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,280
Why is courtesans not ignoring
Ellie?

519
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:24,320
Because she can't get infected?
She obviously has some of it in

520
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:31,320
her right, but they can't
recognize or notice that she

521
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,480
isn't infectable.
Like they don't attack each

522
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,240
other.
Actually, I've seen them attack

523
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,320
each other.
But they do attack each other.

524
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,400
Oh well then, never mind.
I think they do attack each

525
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,880
other.
I think, I think some of them

526
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:49,640
attacked each other maybe in the
last episode and then maybe

527
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,760
earlier on.
So I don't think it's common,

528
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,920
but I think they do.
OK, Yeah.

529
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,160
OK, well, never mind then.
Like I said, don't have a

530
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,440
problem that that that was
starting to bother me because

531
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,940
it's almost like they should
recognize her as as not quote UN

532
00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:16,720
quote human because she she
obviously has it in her to a

533
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,120
level where it doesn't allow her
to be infected.

534
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,640
Right, right.
But I, I don't know, because the

535
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,240
only times that we have seen her
actually get bit once, you know,

536
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,280
after the first time, after the
time that that made her aware

537
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,960
that she was immune, they've all
been these, these smart ones.

538
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,800
So maybe, maybe it's something
about the smart ones that

539
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,200
they're like, OK, we sense it in
you.

540
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,800
We don't care.
You shooting at us, we gonna

541
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,840
kill you.
I mean, I cause 'cause you're

542
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,200
right.
You would think that they would

543
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,480
be like, OK, we're not gonna
touch her.

544
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,960
We're gonna go for the fresh
meat instead of the damaged

545
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,640
goods for.
The one that's already infected.

546
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So.

547
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,080
But so while we're talking about
them being attacked by the

548
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,280
clickers, I love being right.
I absolutely love being right.

549
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,280
Because did I not say that Tommy
would come after them?

550
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,400
And maybe Jesse, but I was more
so sure that Tommy would be the

551
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,920
one to do it.
We don't see him.

552
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,040
We don't see him in this
episode, but we do see Jesse

553
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,440
because Jesse is the one that
gets the the clickers off of the

554
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,080
two of them.
And I was just kind of like

555
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,880
just.
And then I'm like, Oh, this is

556
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,200
going to be interesting.
Oh.

557
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,720
But he was pissed out.
Oh, he was, because he was like.

558
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,200
But he came in and I was like,
who was At first I was like, oh,

559
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,760
there's Tommy because he was
hitting him in the head like Bam

560
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,840
Bam, but in the dark.
You got a night scope on that

561
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,480
rifle bro?
Nah, he got 25 year old eyes.

562
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,920
That's what he got.
He got that 25 year old vision.

563
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,400
He don't, he don't need to do
this.

564
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,080
He he got them.
He got them out of here.

565
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,080
He did.
But then now you got a whole

566
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,000
different problem because I
mean, one of the things that

567
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,320
they said when they were going
in, they were like, OK, either

568
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,920
knife or run because they
thought this was going to be

569
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,440
relatively simple because
they're like, OK, we've been in

570
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,040
here, the door is open.
Nothing has come to try to kill

571
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,760
us.
Them things were waiting for

572
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,920
them to come.
In they were waiting and I think

573
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,760
she.
Probably heard it when they were

574
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,760
going through the hallway
because remember, she told she

575
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,800
told her stop and she was
listening hard.

576
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,239
And then after a while, you
know, Ellie was like, do you

577
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,440
hear anything?
And she sat there for a good

578
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,480
minute and then she was like,
no.

579
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,600
But even after she said that,
she still kept looking around

580
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,440
like that's sixth sense was
bothering her.

581
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,520
So she did hear something.
You ain't safe.

582
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,120
We's not safe.
But that's right, they that's

583
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,440
why that building is empty.
The rules don't go nowhere near

584
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,840
that building.
No, they don't go near that

585
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,360
building.
They don't go in the forest

586
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:15,120
because that's where the
Seraphites are.

587
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,840
That's where the seraphites are.
And that's where Jesse takes

588
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,320
them to kind of get away from
the wolves because of course the

589
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,200
wolves are shooting at them.
They don't know who these people

590
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,920
are.
They could be Seraphites, as far

591
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,120
as they know.
Well, now, if they're shooting

592
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,480
guns, they're not Seraphites,
they know that much.

593
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,080
Well, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Because they said they, they,

594
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,400
we, they said we don't know.
It's 3 unknowns, but they're not

595
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,480
seraphites.
Oh yes, they did say that.

596
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,080
They did.
They did.

597
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,400
But when they get into the
forest, you know, Ellie's trying

598
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,200
to be her usual.
I think she's trying to be a

599
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,720
smart ass because one, she's
scared, she's nervous because of

600
00:35:54,720 --> 00:36:00,200
what just happened. 2 Jesse is
here, baby daddy is here.

601
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,440
This puts a little bit of a
tense situation, even it makes

602
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,080
it even more awkward.
This is why I didn't like the

603
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,520
fact that they were doing The CW
mess because now it's it's

604
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,280
interfering with all this other
stuff.

605
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,400
It would.
Not interfere.

606
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,760
It might not interfere,
whatever, But I think also she

607
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:26,720
and Jesse have had this kind of
maybe not close friendship, but

608
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,800
I think they're friends enough
that, you know, the whole

609
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,320
situation might feel awkward for
her.

610
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:37,560
But also it's enough that, OK,
you realize this dude is really

611
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,480
pissed at you because he had to
come and, and, and do this like

612
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,600
he's far away from home.
Jesse probably does not want to

613
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,800
be in Oregon right now.
But when he tells me he was

614
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,000
like, yeah, it's it's me and
Tommy, we split up and started

615
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,720
looking for you because they
were like, how did you know

616
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:55,800
where we were?
He said.

617
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,520
I found the map at the theater
and I'm just like, wait, how did

618
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,920
you know they were so obviously
Jesse got some good tracking

619
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,440
skills or maybe time.
It down.

620
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,840
I just know we're in the
theater.

621
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,520
Shut the fuck up.
Let's get out here.

622
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,760
But he did not want what what
did.

623
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,360
You think I want to talk to you
right now, but also, OK, I'm I'm

624
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,080
going to say this too.
This is probably another way

625
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,240
that they found or figured out
where they were.

626
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,160
Why are you turning on lights in
the whole building?

627
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,080
I was going to talk about that
earlier, but I decided not to

628
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,840
say anything because you said,
oh, it's OK, she's exploring and

629
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,160
it's OK.
It's for now.

630
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,720
You ain't OK to turn on the
lights.

631
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,600
No, not those big lights,
because it's like, well.

632
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Luckily, it was daytime.
And they were.

633
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,480
They're all fighting.
And they're all distracted by

634
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,840
the seraphights.
But I'm just saying though.

635
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,080
Because when she did that, I was
like, and then she's like, I

636
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,160
know she's happy because she's
got this kind of weight off her

637
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,840
shoulder and everything.
She's like, OK, we're about to

638
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,440
go kill some people.
And I got my girl here and that

639
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,240
I was like, Ellie, I need you to
calm down.

640
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,440
That's why I was kind of glad
that that stage thing happened

641
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:05,520
because she's sitting there, she
says that one line and then her

642
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,440
whole face just changed.
And I was like, Yep, that's it.

643
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,720
The mask is.
I realized one one thing I

644
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,440
realized this is kind of off the
subject.

645
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Like why are the world's not
concerned about this building?

646
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,960
It has a generator in there, but
I realize it's a movie theater.

647
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,200
It has a lot of doors.
It has a lot of entries, entry

648
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,400
points.
This is not a really a safe

649
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,400
place, no.
To be no.

650
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,680
So no.
Unless, I mean, because one, you

651
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,440
don't want to change the doors
because yeah, that'll keep

652
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,040
things from getting in, but if
you have to get out.

653
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,280
It becomes very difficult.
It it becomes difficult, like,

654
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:44,920
yeah, it's a trap.
So.

655
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,880
But so, yeah, so Jesse and Tommy
are there, and while they're in

656
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,440
the forest, they are the ones
who actually witnessed this

657
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,720
cerifite ritual of them hanging
the wolf guy.

658
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,400
And then I guess their position
is detected because Dina takes

659
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,720
an arrow to the leg.
And I was.

660
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,320
Here we go.
So they make a plan, go back to

661
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,920
the theater, take her to the
theater.

662
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,120
I'll leave them off, and then
I'll meet up with you guys.

663
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,040
So that's what they do.
They separate.

664
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,840
Ellie kind of gets away from the
Seraphytes who are tracking her,

665
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,720
and then she looks as she's
like, there's the hospital.

666
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,480
Do I want to go back?
We'll do it now.

667
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,400
I'm going to go to the hospital.
And she's that.

668
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,960
Way she, she, she goes through
and I'm like, how little does

669
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,160
she have to be?
Because she's in the grass and

670
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,040
the dog obviously knows she's
there, but you don't find her.

671
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,280
And then she crawls into this
little bitty space to the point

672
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,520
where the guy who's with the
dog, he was like, oh, it's just

673
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,960
a critter.
You the are, are you really that

674
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,920
LAX?
Like your dog is going off like

675
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,320
that?
I'm I'm going to see what it is

676
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,840
because I'm pretty sure.
In Seattle, they don't know

677
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,480
anything about smart clickers
yet.

678
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,640
They probably don't they.
Don't have to stand that

679
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,720
building.
Oh, anybody who goes in that

680
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:15,280
building with the smart, the
stalkers, yeah, They don't come

681
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,400
out until any that's.
What I was going to say.

682
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,520
So they probably like, OK, yeah,
we're just going to leave that

683
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,840
building alone.
We're not even going to try it.

684
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,440
But the the other issue, the
other issue is though the Cere

685
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,760
fighters are known to infiltrate
your spaces.

686
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,360
Yeah.
Hello.

687
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,760
Yeah.
But I guess they're thinking,

688
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,840
OK, only somebody that's like
child size would be able to fit

689
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,840
through there.
And they're probably like, oh,

690
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,360
what is the child going to do?
Well, let me tell you.

691
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,800
Right, you can do a small a
small adult like Ellie.

692
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,240
Ellie.
Who can go in there and silently

693
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,000
because apparently y'all don't
want to go in that forest.

694
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,000
So y'all won't come to her, she
will come to y'all, and she

695
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,560
already knows where Nora is
going to be exactly.

696
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Where Nora is going to be.
So she literally, and I don't

697
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,240
know how she did it because we
don't see it.

698
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,720
We see Nora sitting there, she's
tending to a patient, and then

699
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:20,720
she goes into a room to kind of
clean the supplies and Ellie

700
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,280
gets the drop on her.
She was like, put it down and

701
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,000
turn around.
She turns around and Ellie's

702
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,360
like, oh, do you Remember Me?
Yeah, you Remember Me.

703
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,200
I forgot Nora was the one.
Well, I don't.

704
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,800
And that's the thing.
I don't even know.

705
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,360
Is that Nora or is that the
other girl's name?

706
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,080
Because I don't think, OK.
Because I was going to say when

707
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,520
Dana was telling her she was
like 1 girl is Nora and the

708
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,360
other girl is such and such.
I don't remember which is which,

709
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,760
so.
But yeah, OK.

710
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,680
Yeah.
It has to be Nora because that's

711
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,360
how she found her, because Nora
was given her position on the

712
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,960
walkie-talkie.
But when she says, do you

713
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,840
Remember Me?
Oh, yeah, you Remember Me

714
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,880
because Nora was the one that
was holding her down and making

715
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,160
her watch them kill Joe.
And Nora starts pulling this

716
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,880
whole thing.
Oh, yeah.

717
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,680
I'm so sorry.
You shouldn't have had to see

718
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,800
that.
Nobody should have to see that.

719
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,880
I close my eyes and I still hear
him screaming.

720
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,000
But that little bitch deserved
that.

721
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,080
I was like, it's fighting time,
it's time to whoop some ass.

722
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,840
But Ellie is.
She was still in that emotional

723
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,680
headspace because Nora brought
her back to that day and she

724
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,680
dropped her guard for just a
little bit, enough for Nora to

725
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,240
throw some stuff on her and and
run.

726
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,000
I bet you, I bet you Ellie won't
make that same mistake twice.

727
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,600
Absolutely not.
She will not.

728
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,720
She's not going to sit here and
listen to the to the dialogue.

729
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,160
You don't listen to your
bullshit.

730
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Tell me what Abby is or that she
learn.

731
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,320
She learn quick.
She learn quick.

732
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,840
If these people don't want to
tell, that's fine.

733
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,840
I'll find someone who will.
So you gave.

734
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,120
Laura Too many, too much.
Time to figure a way out.

735
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,800
Right.
And therefore, what happens next

736
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:16,680
to happen, because Nora takes
off, Ellie is coming after her,

737
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,560
shooting a gun.
So now other people are, you

738
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:27,360
know, trying to take Ellie out.
Nora comes to the elevator to

739
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,160
one of the floors that's blocked
off, and she's just like, OK,

740
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,400
die this way or maybe try to
escape here because I don't

741
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,520
think Nora even knows what's
going on down there yet.

742
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:45,680
Because so she opens the shaft,
she jumps on the elevator, and

743
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,160
elevator kind of slams down to
the basement floor.

744
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,360
She gets off.
Ellie follows her.

745
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,960
The soldiers who were following
Ellie, they were like, oh, no,

746
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,160
that's going to the basement.
Seal the hallway off.

747
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:58,640
No, Yeah.
They look, they're like, don't

748
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,360
they even go to the shaft?
They seal.

749
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,880
They seal the whole hallway off.
Seal it off like what we're not

750
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,160
going to do today.
They don't know what's going

751
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,480
down down there.
They just know it needs to be

752
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,560
sealed, it needs to stay closed.
Right.

753
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:20,640
So when Ellie gets down there
and she sees the Cordyceps all

754
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,960
on the wall, on the floor, on
the ceiling, and.

755
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:29,920
Stuff floating in the air.
I was just like that and look, I

756
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,920
got goosebumps.
That was so creepy.

757
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,800
So walk in there and see that it
looks like somebody just threw

758
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,960
up vomit and confetti all
together and it's and it just

759
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,200
plastered the walls with.
Yeah, I think the last time we

760
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,560
saw that really like that was in
Season 1.

761
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,960
The museum.
But but it was dead right.

762
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,000
It was dead up until those 2
little tendrils came up.

763
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,480
They did have the tendrils,
right?

764
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,680
Right.
But but the that, yeah, but that

765
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,000
was yeah.
And didn't someone say that this

766
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,920
hospital was where they took the
first corset?

767
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,600
Patients were down there?
Yep, and y'all are operating at

768
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,880
the same hospital like and I I
get it, they probably don't have

769
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,920
anywhere else.
I've never been to Seattle.

770
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,720
I don't know what the layout is,
but come on.

771
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,160
What?
Y'all better go find the the

772
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,160
free clinic down the street and
move all your stuff.

773
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:36,960
There ain't no way.
Ain't no way none.

774
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,680
But anyway.
Ellie walking around.

775
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,080
Walking.
Around.

776
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,120
Having no the the spores are
having no effect on her.

777
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:52,640
Like she's literally standing in
front of one of the guys who is

778
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,080
you know it.
It's almost like being in the

779
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,200
upside down when Will was in the
upside down and stranger things.

780
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,040
You see the spore puffs coming
and she's just sitting there.

781
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,440
I can tell if they were doing it
because she was walking by like

782
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,080
they saw someone in the motion,
the noise and they stop or it

783
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,200
has constantly doing it.
Craig Mason said in the after

784
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,960
show.
He said basically what they're

785
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,040
doing is they're breathing in
air and they're breathing out

786
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,200
spores.
He was like they're, they're

787
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,560
kind of stuck in between life
and death and that they're still

788
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,360
alive.
So they're still breathing.

789
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,440
It's just they're breathing in
regular air.

790
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,680
And when when they breathe out,
it's spores because it's it's

791
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:40,520
taking over their body.
So she keeps going, she keeps

792
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,160
walking through because she's
still looking for Nora.

793
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,320
Then you hear, you hear Nora
coughing.

794
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,440
And I was like, oh, that's,
that's going to be, that's the

795
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,880
death right there.
No, I don't know why I thought

796
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,520
she was going to let it be that
easy because she goes over to

797
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,680
Nora and Nora was like, you
stupid bitch, you've killed both

798
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,040
of us.
And Ellie was like, have I and

799
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,280
her face?
It changed.

800
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,240
Yeah, it changed that.
That's silly.

801
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:16,360
I've been looking for.
She was no emotion.

802
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,040
No emotion.
She was like, oh, have I?

803
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,480
And that's when Nora realizes
she was like, wait, you're the

804
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,320
girl.
You're her.

805
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,560
You're the immune girl, so you
are real.

806
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,320
She's like, Yep.
And then she starts telling her

807
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,240
about Joel.
She was like, do you know what

808
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,880
he did?
He killed the entire hospital of

809
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:40,600
people, including the one person
who could have made a cure for

810
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,000
me.
Supposedly.

811
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,040
Yeah, supposedly.
Who could make a cure for you?

812
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,680
And that was Abby's dad.
She was like, do you know that?

813
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,320
And Ella was like, I know.
And she was like, and you don't

814
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,200
care.
No.

815
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,640
Where's Abby?
I'm not telling you.

816
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,720
So she did literally the same
thing Abby did.

817
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,800
She walks over, she sees a pipe.
She picks it up.

818
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,640
Meanwhile, Laura's just over
here dying.

819
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,080
She comes back over to her.
Where's Abby?

820
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:20,200
No, what the hell was like?
I was like, OK, this is what

821
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,080
I've been wanting, but at the
same time, God damn Ellie.

822
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,840
Because again, face blank,
nothing.

823
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,440
But I I wouldn't even say it's
rage when she first hits her it.

824
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Was no emotion on her face.
There was no emotion.

825
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,280
And then I think after that, she
was kind of like, oh, OK, yeah,

826
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:39,520
I can do this again.
So where?

827
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,320
Where Where's Abby?
Oh, you don't want him?

828
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,840
Damn.
And she literally did the same

829
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,080
thing that Abby did.
And I was just like, And then at

830
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,880
the end of that, she hits her
several times and then we'll see

831
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,840
a, a flashback or maybe it's a,
a dream or something, 'cause I

832
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,360
don't know if maybe, you know,
maybe the spores weren't

833
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,320
affecting her the way they were
affecting Nora, but maybe they

834
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,080
were affecting her in some way.
I don't.

835
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,280
Or maybe she just maybe she
passed out from the sheer

836
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,560
exhaustion of beating her with
that pipe.

837
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,720
But she's in the bed in Joel's
old house.

838
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,520
And then here comes through the
door is Joel.

839
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,360
And he says, hey, kiddo.
She says hi.

840
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,440
And then the episode goes off
and I was like, OK, so I know

841
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,120
now y'all are going to have me
crying all next episode.

842
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,200
I need to have my tissue box.
But this is what I've been

843
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,640
wanting.
I've been wanting, you know,

844
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,600
Joel to come back and for us to
get more information.

845
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,160
So I have a feeling that next
episode is when we're going to

846
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:45,040
find out what she finds out.
Because you see like the

847
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,840
montage, if you look at the
promo for next episode, you see

848
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,240
the montage.
She's showing her like different

849
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,040
things and teaching her to play
the guitar.

850
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,520
And they seem really, really
happy.

851
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,720
And then all of a sudden you see
her with the tattoo and he's

852
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:03,680
looking at the tattoo and she's
like, and then you see her

853
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,560
walking away from him.
And I was like, oh, that was the

854
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:12,200
moment.
So it's going to be raw and

855
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:18,320
emotional next week, but I'm
ready for it because these, like

856
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,400
I said, this episode started so
slow for me and I was just kind

857
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,280
of like, it took me an hour to
get to the halfway point because

858
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,360
I kept pausing it and doing
other stuff.

859
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,920
I was like, oh, let me pause it.
Oh, let me run to the store,

860
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,920
grab some trash bags.
OK, plan for a few minutes.

861
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,120
Oh, let me pause it.
Let me play a couple of rounds

862
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,920
of solid.
Like, I couldn't get into it

863
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,320
because I was like, again,
there's only 7 episodes in this

864
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,600
season.
This is episode 5.

865
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,280
We need to, you know, like, get
it going.

866
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,840
And again, because I have no
idea what the storyline is in

867
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:00,960
the game, I have no way of
determining like, where we are

868
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,760
in the story.
Like, is it about to start

869
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,000
ramping up?
Are we going to have to wait

870
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,520
until next season for her to
even find Abby?

871
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,240
Because yeah, she got to Nora,
but she still has four other

872
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:13,080
people to get to before she gets
to Nora.

873
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,120
And if Joel is going to be the
main focus of the next episode,

874
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,520
when are we going to get that?
So I'm going to be honest, I, I

875
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,800
don't think we're going to see
any resolution with her and Abby

876
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,920
until next season.
Yeah, I think, I think there I'm

877
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,280
hoping probably they're going to
follow the the because this

878
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,120
whole Nora thing followed the
game almost beat for beat.

879
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,320
Oh, OK.
Almost beat for beat.

880
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:44,240
So I'm thinking that next season
we're going to get Abby's

881
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,080
perspective.
OK.

882
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:53,760
Because Abby has her whole own
storyline, OK, It's going on at

883
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,560
the same time, OK, So we're
we're probably going to in in.

884
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,240
I feel like they're going to do
that because we're going to see

885
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,880
them come to ahead at the same
same place.

886
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,920
OK.
And I think that's what's going

887
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,640
to happen.
So because like, right now,

888
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:15,040
Tommy being off on his own,
there's a there's a section in

889
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,640
the game where he's a mini boss
for Abby.

890
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,560
So yeah.
OK, you know what?

891
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,920
I don't even want to know.
You don't I.

892
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,480
Don't even want to know because
I'm like is he doing this

893
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,480
knowing that she killed his
brother or does he not have a

894
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,640
clue that this is the person
that killed his brother?

895
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,360
I don't know.
You don't know how much he

896
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,160
knows.
OK.

897
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Really.
He's a smart dude too.

898
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Right, right.
He.

899
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,280
Knows that she's there and she's
talked about why she's there.

900
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,920
She's probably told him before
she went to the meeting where

901
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,800
she wanted, you know, she told
me what she wanted to do.

902
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,320
Yeah.
And I bet Dora has told him

903
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,440
everything she knows too.
Yeah.

904
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,840
The names and all of that.
Yeah, I think that's probably

905
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,760
what what they told him when
they first told him about that,

906
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,280
because when he looked at her,
he was like, hey, the next time

907
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,120
you hold out information on me,
you're on rendering duty for

908
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:21,480
when he said three months, Three
months.

909
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,640
So, yeah, I'm pretty sure he
knows all of that.

910
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:30,920
But like I said, I'm glad that
he actually did come come to

911
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,240
Seattle.
He did have to sneak out because

912
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:35,880
that's what Jesse says.
They were like, yeah, so y'all

913
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,040
left one night, we snuck out the
next.

914
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,760
So yeah, they weren't.
They weren't too far behind.

915
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,920
They weren't too far behind.
And I think again, she's now

916
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,600
she's in Tommy's care, even
though, yes, she's 19, but still

917
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,920
he feels responsibility for her
because that was his brother's

918
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,520
surrogate child.
So he's like, that's family.

919
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,560
I can't let her go do this by
herself, especially considering

920
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,000
that's my brother.
So yeah, I'm sure he I'm sure he

921
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,560
snuck out.
I'm sure he's going to have hell

922
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,160
to pay with Maria when he gets
back, if he gets back.

923
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,240
Like I said, I don't know
anything about the game, so I

924
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:19,720
don't even know if Tommy makes
it or not.

925
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,320
I hope he does because I don't
want to lose both brothers.

926
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,800
But yeah, this episode, I'm glad
it picked up the way it did

927
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,880
towards the end.
Because towards the end I was

928
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,600
just kind of like, OK, now I'm
sitting on my on the edge of my

929
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:34,240
seat.
I'm.

930
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:35,760
I'm trying to see what's about
to happen.

931
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,600
OK.
Did she get bit?

932
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,720
How many times did she get bit?
Because Jesse was about to go in

933
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,840
on her and Dina?
Then it was like, Nope, she

934
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,920
didn't get bit.
I watched the whole thing and I

935
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:51,040
was like, lie, lying.
To her, I'm trying to look at

936
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,640
keep trying to look at it and
then the doors like no, no, no,

937
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,480
look over here, look over here.
Like, hi, I'm here.

938
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:04,240
So I really hope they don't
focus on the the whole love

939
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:08,400
triangle thing too much because
I I have a feeling.

940
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,400
Why don't you have to see the
quiet part out loud?

941
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,080
What the triangle?
The whole CW thing, Well, here's

942
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,240
the.
Thing don't.

943
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:20,560
Post into the existence.
I don't think it's going to be

944
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,560
that much of an issue because if
you think about the episode

945
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,640
where Ellie confessed to kissing
Dana, Jesse wasn't really

946
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,040
surprised.
So I think he's he probably sees

947
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,560
what was going on and probably
understands what Dana was hiding

948
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,720
or was trying to deny.
I don't think that's going to be

949
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,080
too much of a problem.
That might be an issue that when

950
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,880
he finds out she's pregnant,
because he's probably going to

951
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,560
be get your ass back to Jackson,
you know, But I mean, at this

952
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,800
point, y'all are there.
Do what you came to do.

953
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,640
You might I have a.
Feeling I have a feeling Jesse

954
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,520
is going to take Dora back to
Jackson and Tommy and Ellie are

955
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:10,640
going to be paired up.
OK, I I can go for that, but I

956
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,800
kind of like Jesse too.
So like, especially like you

957
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,120
said, Jesse came in, shoot them
in the head, no lights, no

958
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:22,440
scope, like he can handle
himself.

959
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:27,680
And just like Ellie said to him
a few episodes ago, she told

960
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,720
him, she said, yeah, yeah, we
know you're going to be the one

961
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:35,800
running this place someday.
So maybe just let us see a

962
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,360
little bit of that that
leadership quality and some

963
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,160
actual action and not just him
telling people what to do and

964
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,800
Jackson and, you know, driving
posts into the thing.

965
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:53,000
But yeah, I I don't mind this
this foursome, if they can get

966
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,280
the job done Again, We have four
other people that we have to get

967
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,800
to before we get to Abby.
And you know, they're going to

968
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,280
make us go through those four
people first because Ellie is

969
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,920
not going to want to do Abby
until last so she can say, Oh

970
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,640
yeah, I came and got all of
y'all.

971
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,000
I told you I was going to kill
you.

972
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,360
I made you that promise.
And here I am keeping that

973
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,600
promise.
But she meant it for all of

974
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,880
them.
And I'm sure Nora and I can't

975
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,120
remember what Danny Ramirez's
character's name is.

976
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,680
Those two, those are going to be
the ones that are like top on

977
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,800
her shit list because Danny is
the one that kicked her and

978
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,080
broke her ribs to the point
where she had to spend 3 months

979
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,680
in the hospital and Nora was the
one who sat on her back while

980
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,280
she had to watch Joe die.
So yeah, those two are going to

981
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:48,680
be going to be extremely
painful, kind of in the way that

982
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,760
Abby wanted Joe's death to be
painful because, you know, poor

983
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:58,400
Nora, here you are, suffer from
Cordyceps poisoning, basically,

984
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,200
and you still getting your legs
broke.

985
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:09,840
And she didn't even give you the
satisfaction of turning Nope.

986
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,760
Nope, not now.
She might, because she was hit.

987
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,360
She was hitting her in her legs.
She.

988
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,040
She.
Probably was going to break that

989
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,600
body and then let her turn
because if if all the bones are

990
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,640
broken and then you turn you
can't do shit but sit there.

991
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:26,440
I don't think she's going to let
her turn.

992
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,200
You don't think so?
No.

993
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:34,640
OK, because then you she's.
Ellie doesn't know how the

994
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,720
Cordyceps is working.
So sorry.

995
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,360
She believes once the Cordyceps
take over nor is dead.

996
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,800
That's not satisfying.
She has to do it herself.

997
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:52,520
Right, I got it, I got you.
OK, but I mean, we're starting

998
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,360
to get what we were looking for
and I know that sounds so weird

999
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,080
like Oh my God, y'all are so bad
I'm so sorry.

1000
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,800
Just just kind of comes out.
I mean, Ellie is a violent

1001
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,240
character.
We know this.

1002
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:10,880
She hasn't, You know, she was
kind of sort of raised by Joel

1003
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:17,280
and she seen some stuff.
So, yeah, I mean, This is why

1004
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,480
you came to Seattle.
You came to exact revenge.

1005
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,800
And again, you know exactly what
Joel did.

1006
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,640
And like I said, she knew why
Joel was getting killed.

1007
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,720
She knew it, even if she maybe
didn't hasn't voiced it out

1008
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,280
loud.
She knows it because even when

1009
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,240
Dina said it, no matter what Joe
did, he didn't deserve to go out

1010
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,680
like that.
And she was looking at her like

1011
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,680
well I know what he did and in
some people's minds he might

1012
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:44,880
have deserved it.
But.

1013
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,800
No, I I think Dora's right.
No matter what he did, he didn't

1014
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,440
deserve that.
Oh, absolutely.

1015
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,120
Absolutely.
And I think anyone, I think most

1016
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,280
people would agree with that
because even them standing

1017
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:05,160
around watching Abby do it, they
didn't look like they was all

1018
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,360
the way on board.
No, they weren't.

1019
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,920
Not not the way it was being
done.

1020
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,640
I think that is the problem.
Yeah, I because I think when she

1021
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,320
said I want to kill him slow, I
don't think they thought that

1022
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,600
she meant that literally.
Yeah.

1023
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,000
In that sense, but it's almost
like she was.

1024
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,680
I don't.
And I don't want to say she was

1025
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,520
taking pleasure out of it,
because nothing about that

1026
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,840
experience was pleasurable for
her.

1027
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,360
Yeah, it was about expressing
her rage.

1028
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,080
Yeah, but now y'all got Ellie to
think about.

1029
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:47,040
Ellie at least.
Right, because she's probably

1030
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:53,040
going to just like with Nora,
that realization for Nora, like

1031
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,760
oh wait, you're the reason why
he did this.

1032
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,040
Do you know this is what he did?
You don't care.

1033
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,080
If I was Ellie, I would have
been like, so y'all were OK with

1034
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,960
the doctor just randomly
deciding to put me to death so

1035
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,280
that he could cure all of y'all?
Like my life wasn't worth

1036
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,320
anything to y'all.
No, I don't give a fuck about

1037
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,960
what he did.
Like who are you guys to decide

1038
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,400
that my life is not important to
the point where oh y'all are

1039
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,400
going to put me on the table and
have someone operate on me when

1040
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,400
I have no idea that's what
they're doing?

1041
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,400
I'm not giving any kind of
consent.

1042
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,200
She didn't make it.
She didn't make a choice.

1043
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,200
No.
Didn't have a chance to.

1044
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,000
I mean, yeah, she said she
wanted to save people, but did

1045
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,920
she know she was going to have
to die to do it?

1046
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:46,640
I don't think she did.
So I whatever is whatever, I

1047
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,640
I'm, I'm just, I'm ready to see
it.

1048
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,880
I want to see LA fully unleashed
and like I said, I kind of want

1049
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:59,200
to see Tommy too because we've
heard about how Tommy and Joel

1050
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,080
were in their younger years.
I kind of need to see a little

1051
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,640
bit of that because that was
your brother that they did that

1052
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,520
too.
You know, he's all cool and

1053
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:15,040
copacetic, but now that he even
think of it, those feelings take

1054
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:15,920
over.
Oh, yeah.

1055
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,240
He's like, oh, I don't have to
be an example for anybody right

1056
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,840
now.
I don't have to worry about what

1057
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,200
my wife is going to think of me.
I don't have to worry about what

1058
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,640
my son is going to think of me.
I'm hundreds of miles away.

1059
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,560
He had all this time to think
about it.

1060
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:35,520
With that final image of his
brother in his mind, because

1061
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,760
again, you beat Joel to the
point where he was

1062
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:44,000
unrecognizable, and that's how
he went back to his brother.

1063
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,440
Oh no, that's why I kept saying
ain't no way Tom is going to let

1064
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,160
this sit.
There's no way.

1065
01:02:51,640 --> 01:03:02,280
I love it when I'm right.
But OK, 2 episodes left.

1066
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,680
Do you think we're going to have
any kind of resolution with at

1067
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:13,520
least most of the group before
we end season 2, or do you think

1068
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,480
they're going to focus a little
bit more on this whole Wolf

1069
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,680
versus Sarah fight thing?
And then, yeah.

1070
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:25,480
I think they're still trying to
paint the picture of the Wolf

1071
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:31,560
Sarah fight conflict going into
some of the things that's going

1072
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,680
to happen with Abby in the next
season.

1073
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:39,360
Right, OK, OK.
You have any final thoughts on

1074
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,040
this episode?
I think we touched on

1075
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,320
everything.
The only final thoughts I have

1076
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,120
is the I like the turn the show
has made it.

1077
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,120
It feels like it's going back to
its roots, kind of.

1078
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:59,720
I know a lot of people are still
bailing on the show, but I don't

1079
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,400
know it it to me, it still has
some value.

1080
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,240
I still found some entertainment
in it.

1081
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,160
There's some things like the
whole sport development.

1082
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:12,320
Maybe it's they're just doing it
because they had to, they wanted

1083
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:17,560
to be close to the game with
Nora, so you had to bring the

1084
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,840
sports back, not bring it back
because they had to introduce it

1085
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,160
when the game they were like,
oh, we're not going to do with

1086
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,760
the sports or whatever.
Well, they they're going to do

1087
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,600
it for this little section.
It will probably never have to

1088
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,160
do with it again.
OK.

1089
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,840
And, and, and it's OK because
it's a, it's a pivotal point in

1090
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,840
Elliott's story.
So I'm OK with that.

1091
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:44,880
OK.
All right, well, I guess that's

1092
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,160
it for this episode, 'cause I
don't have anything else to say.

1093
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,640
I'm just, I'm ready for the
fight.

1094
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:51,960
I'm ready for the fight to
begin.

1095
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,200
So on that note, that is it for
our show.

1096
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,040
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1097
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,080
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1098
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:02,920
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1099
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,880
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1100
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,760
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1101
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,400
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1102
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,280
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