The Last of Us Season 2 Episode 7 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #359

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and we are
discussing the season 2 finale

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of The Last of Us.
I knew it was coming.

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I knew it was going to happen.
I still was not expecting it.

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Jesse is dead.
I just Jesse.

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Is dead.
I you know, I knew it.

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Was.
Coming.

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I knew it was coming 'cause we,
we talked about it.

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We were like, either Dina's
gonna die, Jesse is gonna die,

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both of them are gonna die, but
at at least one of them is gonna

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die.
I wasn't expecting it to come

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the way that it did.
Like I literally jumped in my

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seat when it happened.
I have one little problem, 1

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little nitpick.
You're barged into a room not

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knowing the situation.
Yeah, I, I was, yeah.

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Yeah.
I mean, you heard that there was

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a struggle, so you feel that
there was something going on.

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And I I thought about that when
they was running.

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I was like, wait, what do you.
I was.

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Like you don't even know what's
going on, No.

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You don't know how many people
are in there.

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Nothing.
Nothing.

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Just crack the door, see what's
happening.

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Right, right.
I just.

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I actually get in, the doors are
barricaded.

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But you know what, that's their
city.

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So she may, she may know of
another way to get in there,

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that that's her city.
You know, we talked about the

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fact that they were in that
place and nobody's come looking.

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No one's come checking, You
know, they, they have the place

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lit up, which we talked about.
They've got the lights on.

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So it's obvious to some,
somebody's been in that place.

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And then because of the fact
that when Ellie came back, it

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was raining, she may have left
the trail.

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She may have left the trail of
footprints.

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I, I don't know.
I mean I have.

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Questions.
It's possible she probably

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knocked on the door.
Hell.

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So I, I don't know, I mean, but
yeah, I, I was, I was expecting

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it, not expecting it the way it
was.

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She had to shoot him in the
face, but.

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Being the senior of Mass, he
barred me.

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See he bars the door.
She's shot like, see even the

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world what was coming.
But here's the crazy thing,

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because if Ellie had been first,
she would have missed.

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Yeah, because Jesse's so much
taller than than Ellie.

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And I was sitting here looking
at this, this scene, and I was

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like, there's so many different
ways they could have approached

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that one.
Jesse could have, like you said,

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they could have taken it slow.
They could have tried to assess

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the situation.
Because she didn't even have to

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know that they were in there.
She didn't know.

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Tommy would've told her.
Tommy wouldn't have told her.

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And when when Jesse got shot and
Ellie kind of ducked up under

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the thing.
I think and and I I'm saying

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this thinking that OK, Ellie
would've been emotionally closed

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off.
She could've like maybe reached

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up and shot her, but she like,
she literally just had this

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bonding moment with Jesse where
they seem to have kind of could

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all of the anger and stuff,
maybe behind them or maybe just

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pushed it to the side for a
minute.

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And then now he's dead.
After you've already made the

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decision.
OK, we're, we're just going to

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go home.
We're going to do fuck all this.

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I, you know, I have to make
peace with the fact that Abby

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still gets to live and blah,
blah, blah.

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And then he's dead.
And I think at that point Ellie

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was just kind of like, I'm done.
I'm, I'm so done, I'm done

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because there's so much, there's
so much going on with this, but

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I just, I had to get that out
'cause I'm like, I, I, I knew it

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was coming.
I just wasn't expecting the way

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that it happened and the the
unexpected violence with it.

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Like I, I kind of figured it
would go down something like the

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way the Seraphites do it, or
maybe it would have been a a

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face off.
But just yeah anyway.

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Almost like random and
senseless.

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Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because even Abby didn't know

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who was coming through that
door.

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It could have been one of her
people.

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It it could have been, but and,
and she didn't, I don't even

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think she knew that Tommy was
there with other people because

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she thought Tommy was the one
that killed Owen and.

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Yeah, he killed all my friends.
He.

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Killed my friends and.
She's like, I killed him.

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Actually, I did that, but OK,
let let's let's go back to the

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beginning.
Let's talk about when Jesse was

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alive, because we got a lot of
him in this episode, which

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should have told me that he was
probably gonna die because we

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got a lot of story and, and
background and exposition with

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him and Ellie's characters.
And we got to see kind of the

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different ways that they
approach their situations.

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And also, you know, we see that
Jesse is very observant.

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Jesse is also very mature, and
Jesse also he knows how to kind

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of compartmentalize things and
say, OK, look, we're not going

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to talk about this.
We can do this, we can do that.

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You get a lot of Jesse in this
episode, which should have told

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me that he was not going to make
it.

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It should have told me that he
was not going to make it.

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I like how he's very self aware
and even he knows that he's

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supposed to be the leader of
Jackson one day.

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Like not just on the council.
He's like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm

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going to be the leader.
Yeah, I mean, like I said, Ellie

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said that a few episodes ago.
She was like, yeah, we know

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you're going to be the one to
take over eventually, which now

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he's not, but.
No, he's not.

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But I, I, the self aware thing
is something that I think we

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really don't see too much in
people his age because he's only

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25.
You know, a lot of times people

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that age, they're still trying
to find themselves, they're

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still exploring things.
They're still a lot of times

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still out doing stupid stuff
because they're at an age where

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they can do the stupid stuff and
it not have many long term

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consequences.
Jesse is completely not like

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that.
You know, he totally understood

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what was going on with Ellie and
Dina probably before they did,

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you know, And even when Dina's
trying to come to him, she was

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like, look, I don't know what to
say about what's going on with

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us.
He was like, look, I, I love

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her, but I don't love her the
way you love her.

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Like, I can see that and she's
just looking at him like, again,

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she thought she was hiding it.
Well, no you weren't Ellie, You

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weren't.
It was obvious.

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But I like the fact that he's
self aware of that.

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And he didn't try to make her
feel bad about it 'cause he

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really could have.
He could have made that whole

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situation very uncomfortable for
all of them.

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But he had the the mindset to
say, OK, you know what?

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I know that they feel this way
about them.

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And I know that I don't feel
this way about her, even though,

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yes, I care about her.
And oh, yeah, by the way, I

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noticed certain things.
I know she's pregnant.

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He was like Dina, who has never
turned down a free drink ever in

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her life, tells me no to alcohol
when I'm about to push an arrow

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through her leg.
Yeah, I I already know this.

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But he he still was kind of
guessing.

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Yeah, I think he he figured, but
he just needed her to.

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Yeah.
She was like, you were guessing

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shit.
Like, yeah, I I like how with

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the seriousness of the episode,
they still injected a little bit

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of humor.
Not enough to be in

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inappropriate, but enough to
kind of say, OK, you know what,

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let's lighten this moment just a
little bit because there's so

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much heaviness going on with
this episode, with, you know, at

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the beginning of the episode,
you have Jesse and Dana because

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she has the arrow on her leg.
He's trying to push it out.

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They're having a conversation.
And it's like she is she's

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trying to be assertive, but at
the same time, she's not sure

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how to handle this situation
because when she left, they were

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still kind of sort of messing
around.

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And now all of a sudden she
finds herself kind of sort of in

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a relationship with Ellie.
And also she's now made this

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discovery that she's pregnant
with his baby and she doesn't

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know how to tell him.
And it was very awkward, but at

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the same time, it was very, it
was done very matter of fact

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fact on both of their parts.
He's like, hey, I just need to

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get this through.
This is going to hurt, blah,

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blah, blah.
And she's, you know, saying the

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same things.
And it's, it's a lot.

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And then, of course, Ellie comes
in and she's not paying Jessie

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any attention.
She wants to go make sure that

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Dina is OK.
So she does.

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Dina realizes she has blood on
her back, tells her to take her

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shirt off.
And you can tell like you can

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see she's got bruising like
she's been, she's not hurt.

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So you can see the bruising, you
can see scratches.

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And I know some of that is
probably from the clickers.

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Some of that is probably I can't
remember if she and.

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Norris The stalkers, yeah.
The soccer, the stalkers, I

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can't remember.
I don't think she and Nora

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actually got into like a
physical altercation because

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they were kind of standing far
from each other.

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She just threw the chemicals on
her.

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Yeah.
Yeah, she ran.

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Did she jump down the elevator
shaft?

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I know Nora.
Nora did.

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Nora did, and then, well, she,
she jumped on the elevator and

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then the elevator fell.
So I think she did fall on the

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elevator.
So she does have the bruises and

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everything.
And as Dina is trying to tend to

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it, she's asking her.
So are you going to tell me what

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happened?
And let me say the very cold and

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detached way that she described
her encounter with Nora Tedena,

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it was it was kind of
uncomfortable to see because

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again, you do realize just how
far gone she was at that moment.

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But also, again, I'm going to
say I like being right because

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she said that she did not kill
Nora.

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She left her.
She was like, yeah, she's dead.

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Anyway, So just, you know, and
and she says it again later on

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when she confronts Owen and Mel,
she was like, I'm not like you

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guys, but you, you ain't too far
off.

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You're not far.
From me, I think this is still

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part of of the breaking that
cycle of violence from Joel,

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because Joel would have killed
her.

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Yeah, you know, And I think it's
the part of her that's trying

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not to be like Joel.
Yeah, but I think also too,

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again, like I said, I feel like
her leaving her alive was the

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worst fate because it is because
for what you did to her, you you

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basically beat the shit out of
her, probably broke both of her

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legs, probably broke some lungs.
So if you'd have killed her,

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you'd have put her out her
misery.

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And I don't think Ellie had that
in mind.

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Ellie was like, Oh no, I'm going
to make you suffer.

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So you've already been infected
and now I'm going to leave you

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down here infected and half and
half broken.

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That's going to be your
punishment.

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But then when Dana was like, she
got what she deserved.

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And Ellie said, but did she?
And then she turns around and

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she tells Dina the truth about
why they're there, you know?

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Yeah.
Joel, what did she say?

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Before I came to Jackson, there
was a hospital in Salt Lake

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City.
They were going to make a cure

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out of me, but it would have
meant that I would have died.

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And when Joel found that out, he
killed everybody.

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Everybody.
Everybody in the entire

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hospital, including the Doctor
Who was Abby's father, he did it

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all to save me.
And Dina's reaction, I think

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like I know she was shocked and
you could kind of see her

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disconnect a little bit just in
the way that she, she, her

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facial expression changed
because it was something that

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she needed to kind of.
Well, she had to process.

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It she had to process it and
then she was like, we need to go

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home.
And I understand her reaction,

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but I also feel like her
reaction wasn't fair to Ellie.

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Boy, it's not even.
It's not even consistent to Dean

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to Dora's character.
To to her character and not

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only.
Because she literally just told

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her.
Yeah, right.

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She literally just told her.
It didn't matter what he did it.

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Didn't matter what that person
did.

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If if someone killed my family,
I don't care what they did to to

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deserve it or I don't care what
they did to bring that out on.

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I would have chased them down
forever.

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Yeah.
And then for you to turn around

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and have that reaction, Joe
literally did what you said you

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would do.
Joe was protecting her.

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And now she is doing the same.
You know, Ellie is doing the

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same thing.
Like, oh, I thought he did

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wrong, but that doesn't make
what they did to him right.

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And now I got to go.
I got to go.

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I fix it is not the word.
But I I I'm on a revenge

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warpath.
Yeah, But this is this is one of

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the problems with the show, the
internal consistency, because as

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a writer, you might as well have
not had Dina have it.

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Dina, Dora have that
conversation with her.

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Because this reaction would make
sense if you never had that

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conversation where, you know, it
didn't matter what he did.

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He didn't deserve that.
You know, this is what happened

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to my family.
I would have haunted that person

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down, too.
I mean, it's literally the same

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thing.
So I kind of feel like one of

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the reasons why they did do
that, I think for a lot of us

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saying one thing and believing
one thing is a thing.

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But when you're actually faced
with the reality of something

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kind of proving that statement
and you're you're having to deal

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and process with the the the the
reality of what that situation

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is, I think we realized that
maybe that's not exactly how we

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felt.
And I think that's kind of

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illustrating that.
Like, yeah, Dina could say, OK,

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yeah, I don't care what he did,
he didn't deserve that, blah,

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blah, blah, blah, blah.
I would have chased.

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I would have chased him down.
I would have haunted him down

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forever.
And I would have done this.

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I would have done that.
Yeah.

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We can go and hunt her out.
I'm with you.

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I can go, you know, kill her
with you.

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And then when you find out, OK,
So what really happened is he

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actually did do something that
could be considered worthy of

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the revenge that Abby took.
And yet I'm, I'm bringing you on

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this journey to go get revenge
on her and possibly putting us

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in danger because of that, that
might give someone pause to be

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like, OK, do I really feel this
way?

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Because it's, well, no.
She seemed like she did because

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she said it very passionately
and Ellie was giving her an out

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to say, you know what, we don't
have to do this, we can go back.

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And she convinced Ellie to
continue.

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Yeah, and and I get that and I,
I agree with you, but I'm I'm

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just wondering if they're doing
it to kind of show like again,

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the complexity of having.
No, no, no, no.

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Am I giving the riders too many
you?

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Giving them too much credit, too
much credit, too much credit.

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They they messed up OK, because
they wanted the story to be a

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certain way.
They wanted to give, they wanted

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to give Dora a little bit more
depth and a reason for

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continuing.
Yeah, because I also feel this

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way when she made that statement
to Ellie, when she said I don't

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care what my family member would
have done to to them.

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Again, I have a feeling like she
knew that whatever it was that

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happened, that they came for Joe
for a reason.

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Because again, you don't just
randomly inflict that kind of

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harm and violence on somebody
that's not personal.

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If it was just a random person,
one, they wouldn't have left

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Dina alive.
If this was just somebody who

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just wanted that kind of
violence, that kind of whatever,

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somebody who might have been,
let's say, a serial killer or

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someone who had that kind of
just random violent nature,

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that's one thing.
But they did this to him and

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left you alive and were was
compassionate enough,

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considerate enough, whatever to
say, hey, OK, we're just going

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to knock you out so you don't
have to witness this, but this

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is about to happen.
She knew that was something

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personal.
I think maybe she could have

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been trying to see if Ellie knew
when she made that statement.

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Like if Ellie was going to say
something because you saw

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Ellie's face when she said Ellie
was like, well, and she just

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didn't say anything at that.
The, the, the, the whole problem

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I have with this discussion, not
you and me, but this discussion

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in general, is that it's easy to
it's easy to say, well, Abby

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came after him because he killed
her father, right?

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No, it was actually a father
saving the life of his daughter.

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He didn't kill all those people
out of malice or out of spite.

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He killed him to save Ellie.
And if Dora can't get that part.

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That part of that, he wasn't
trying to kill Abby's father out

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of meanness or fight or malice.
He literally asked him to let

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her go.
Yeah, he did.

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Right, because he didn't kill
the nurses, did he?

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Did he?
No.

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No.
If her father hadn't let Ellie

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up, he probably would still be
alive.

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Yeah, but he said no, and he
came out with a knife.

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So you're dead.
The nurses didn't come after him

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with a knife.
No.

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So I know this I'm, I'm doing,
I'm trying.

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I'm filling in a lot of gaps.
I don't want to say gaps, but

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I'm I'm adding a lot of
additional stuff, which that's

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what you would have to do to
make up for Dora's change in her

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position because Dora was very
passionate about it didn't

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matter what he did.
I'm going to go on this ride

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with you.
So you want to go or not?

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So as far as we know, that was
Dina's, Dina Dora's position

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her.
Name is Dina Dora.

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So now Dora knows.
OK, so Abby had a reason.

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Abby always had a reason, and
you knew this already.

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Whatever Abby's reason was, you
knew it was personal, so it

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shouldn't matter whether or not
he killed her father or not.

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You didn't even know that.
Now you know the circumstances,

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but why would you change your
mind?

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Like, why would you all of a
sudden be different now because

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there's a change of
circumstances?

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Right, because it died.
You were in that position and

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you had to go and save Ellie.
Would you ask her best friend or

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ask her love interest or as
whatever?

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Would you go and do it?
Yeah, you probably would have

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done.
And you would, right?

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Yeah, Jesse would.
And if you were on that table,

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Jesse would have done the same
thing to save you.

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So that's that's, that's the one
thing that's something that we

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kind of want to have if we want
characters to have the

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consistency of character
consistency in their internal

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decisions.
That wasn't That should not have

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been enough information to make
her change her position.

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Yeah, and I.
Because you still have to take,

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you still have to process the
fact that she just told you the.

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Proceeded.
Were going to kill me and when

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he found out.
He saved me.

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Yeah, right.
It's as simple as that.

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That's not in the few dollars in
Blackwell, I guess I don't want

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to do this anymore.
Yeah, that's not what you were

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saying yesterday.
Yeah, right.

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And I don't know, I, I guess
maybe I don't know, maybe she's

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upset about the fact that Ellie
didn't tell her from jump

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because she did ask the
question.

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She was like, did you know who
they were?

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And Ellie was like, no, I
didn't.

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I didn't know at the time, but I
knew what he did.

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But even that I feel like.
It's still not enough because

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she black.
I just found out the night

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before he got killed.
She never to to.

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Tell nobody or to tell friendly.
Just had this conversation.

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He just confirmed for me what
happened and then.

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You in the world would not and
you in the world would not have

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a relationship.
And does the fact that does that

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change anything really?
No, because Ellie was still

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going to go.
The only difference would have

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been you would have went with
her.

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I mean, let's let's have some
let's just have some consistency

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of character, that's all.
Yeah.

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That that was one of the other
things I had a problem with.

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Everything else was fine, but
the fact that she was just.

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So he's like, yeah, we should go
home.

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Really.
Oh, now, because you were

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pregnant yesterday when you said
let's keep going.

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Yeah, you might.
You might die too.

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You're right.
But you know what?

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I will say this too, things
could have changed for her

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because of the fact that Jesse
and Tommy are now there.

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Maybe she was like, OK, if it's
just us, but now we're putting

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up.
Now other people are being put

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in danger.
Yes, I know I'm given the

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writers more credit than they
desire.

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I'm just looking at things from
all different angles, you know?

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Now you, your baby daddy is
here.

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Now Tommy is here, they've come
to get you out of this.

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And then not only this, you
walked into a whole other war

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that you had no idea what's
going on and it's dangerous.

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So I don't know, maybe.
She no, no, she knew they.

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She knew about that already too,
because they stumbled in the

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building with all the people
hanging up with the guts out.

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Yeah, so.
But what I'm saying is they

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didn't know that when they left,
you know, when she, when she

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left.
And she was with Yeah, when she.

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Was with.
So they've known since they've

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been in Seattle, they've known
that there was an issue between

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those two groups.
Yeah, but I don't.

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But I'm trying to think she
didn't, she didn't know about

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the hanging stuff when she made
that speech.

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So maybe they.
Found all the bodies and dead

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children.
Yeah, that's.

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That's enough information right
there that this is a situation

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that might be a little volatile,
maybe a little bit.

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They kill the children.
Yeah, yeah.

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So I don't know but.
Moving on.

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Moving on.
Because Dora Dora got some

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problems.
You need to consult boots or

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something.
But anyway, Dora can't do

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anything because she has a hole
in her legs.

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So she hasn't stayed at the
theater while Ellie and Jesse go

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to look for Tommy.
And this is again, the start of

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the, the kind of, I don't know,
friendship redemption tour

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between Jesse and Ellie because
they do have a lot of

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conversations about certain
things.

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And they they do kind of go at
it because Jesse does have this,

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I guess he does have this
attitude of this viewpoint of

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himself that in a sense he's
better than Ellie.

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He does look at Ellie as being
reckless, as being selfish, as,

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you know, only thing about her
herself, which I mean, yes, she

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is, but at the same time, I feel
like she's she's not as well.

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She's she's doing this for
someone else.

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Granted, is is is part of, you
know, it's a big part for her,

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but she's also doing it because
what happened to him, she felt

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like wasn't fair.
You know, it doesn't make it

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right, but I don't think it's
completely selfish, just like I

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didn't think it was completely
selfish when he killed everybody

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he killed in the hospital.
Yes, it was for him.

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Like I don't want to lose
another daughter.

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But at the same time, he was
doing it to save her.

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And granted, it's too late.
It's too late to save him here,

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but at least you know I, I
don't.

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Know we can, we can, we can
argue about the selfish part,

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but we're not going to argue
about the reckless part because

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she is.
Reckless.

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No, she is reckless.
I will give.

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I will.
Give her.

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And I think that might be
Jesse's main problem with her.

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She is.
You can be selfish, but you

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don't have to be reckless.
Yeah.

447
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,560
Yeah.
And I think, you know, there was

448
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,760
a question that you raised in
the last episode when we got to

449
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,680
see the flashbacks of Joel and
Ellie.

450
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,840
And we were talking about the
different skills that he didn't

451
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:46,440
teach her.
And I thought about it when she

452
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,960
first approached him with
wanting to go on patrol for her.

453
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,160
I think it was her 16th birthday
or her 15th birthday.

454
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,320
He literally said to her, use
this chance to enjoy being a

455
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,520
kid.
I don't think he taught her some

456
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,320
of that stuff because he wanted
to give her a chance at being

457
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,920
just normal for a little while.
Because again, this is someone

458
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,800
who has grown up always thinking
that she was going to have to be

459
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,800
the savior of the world.
She was going to have to do

460
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,480
this.
She didn't get those regular

461
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,880
experiences, even being brought
up as a soldier.

462
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,760
Now.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

463
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,080
Uh, uh, wait.
He went to go get her on her

464
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,480
19th birthday and was like, OK,
well this is a good time for us

465
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,000
to start.
And then he took her out on

466
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,040
patrol.
He was trying to show her the

467
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,000
ropes and then all the shit with
Eugene happened and then their

468
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,920
big blow up and then they didn't
talk for nine months.

469
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,840
So I don't think it was that he
didn't. 2 Two things.

470
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,040
Two things.
One, teaching someone how to do

471
00:28:53,040 --> 00:29:02,160
a patrol in this situation is a
different skill set than going

472
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,280
across the country in survival
mode.

473
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,280
And it's just the two of you,
right?

474
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:14,160
So my statements was about the
things that her because at the

475
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,640
time he she wasn't a child.
She he wasn't, she wasn't a

476
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,480
daughter figure or a surrogate
daughter for him at the time.

477
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,360
She was cargo, but he needed to
get someplace.

478
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,720
He's the type of person he's
going to make use of this extra

479
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,120
pair of eyes.
So there are things that he

480
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,440
would have taught her how to do
stealthy, how to scout ahead in

481
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000
places where he couldn't go.
And how did that?

482
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,040
How to read a math?
Those are the things that he

483
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,200
would have taught her on the
way, and these are those are the

484
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,760
skills that she, this version of
Ellie is lacking.

485
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,200
But I'm telling you, I think she
knows that.

486
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,240
Stuff, but she couldn't
triangulate.

487
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,280
She didn't know how to
triangulate anything.

488
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,480
I think that's something.
A little more.

489
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,440
That's something a little more
complex and something he may not

490
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:05,080
have thought to to teach her
because on their way back and,

491
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,920
and I mean, we talked about this
first, the first season they had

492
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:17,640
no opposition or anything
blocking them on the way to or

493
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,080
on the way from, not that we've
seen.

494
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,560
So they're I don't think, but I
would think after.

495
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,880
The situations they were in like
in Philadelphia and then later

496
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,680
that they there, he would be
like, you know what, I need to

497
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,800
prepare this person if we have
these situations again.

498
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,280
You know what I'm saying?
Teaching how to shoot right,

499
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,880
that was something that he was
taught her on the way.

500
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,640
So there.
I'm just saying they are

501
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,200
without.
I'm trying to look at this from

502
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,720
perspective and not the game.
I'm just think, trying to think

503
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,200
of it in the reality type of
situation, you know, licking

504
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,120
that from all angles, which is,
you know, your thing.

505
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,840
There's there's she was old
enough, she already had training

506
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,560
with guns and all that stuff.
He wouldn't have had to fill in

507
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,480
that much more for them to be in
a survival mode.

508
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,960
Yeah, they're going to be gaps
where they didn't run into

509
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,600
anything, but I refuse to
believe they they had to stop in

510
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,840
places to get supplies.
Like they didn't have enough

511
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,400
food and stuff to make it all
the way on their own.

512
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,880
Yeah, so they had to go and
scout buildings and kill

513
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,440
clickers looking for food,
looking for supplies, finding a

514
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,680
place to sleep at night because
you can't always sleep outside.

515
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,720
Yeah, based.
On the weather.

516
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,880
So I'm just saying this version
of Ellie seems if you just go

517
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,200
back to that moment when Dora
walks in there in the garage and

518
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,520
it's like, where you going to
go?

519
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,200
You don't even have on the right
shoes, you know what I mean?

520
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,120
Do you even know how you're
going to get there?

521
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,680
You don't.
You can't even read a map.

522
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,000
All these things that she's
saying is things that would have

523
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,360
been basic, that she would have
learned on the way.

524
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,320
To Salt Lake City.
From Boston or wherever they

525
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,720
were.
Those are things that she would

526
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,120
have already had this for Notch.
And they've established that

527
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,160
she's not dumb.
I don't know why they make it

528
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,800
like she's supposed to be
stupid.

529
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,480
She's not, you know, so she
should.

530
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,640
She picks up on things very
quickly.

531
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,440
Yeah.
She does.

532
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,240
She does.
So I I don't like, I don't want

533
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,120
to say I don't like.
The writers are not being

534
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,040
consistent with the situation
and with her character.

535
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,120
That's another problem I have
with this show.

536
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,800
Just be consistent.
All the other things they could

537
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,600
have done, they could have done
without it.

538
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,760
Making it look like Joel taught
her absolutely nothing during

539
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,360
however long it took for them to
walk across the country.

540
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,480
That means he just walked in
silence talking about guitars.

541
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,120
I mean, is that all he did?
You know what I'm?

542
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,680
Saying.
Because he was expecting to

543
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,600
have, what was her name?
Tess.

544
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,240
He was supposed to have tests
with him.

545
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Oh yeah.
Tess, she would have.

546
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,680
Basically been a fill in for
tests, so he would have had to

547
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,960
teach her a lot of things that
she wouldn't have known on this

548
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,680
road that they were travelling
on.

549
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,160
OK, Yeah.
Especially during the times.

550
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,840
When there wasn't anything going
on, right?

551
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,000
And.
And he didn't like talking about

552
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,120
personal stuff, so he's going to
talk about cleaning your gun,

553
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,480
making sure the bullets are not
wet.

554
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,280
You know what I'm saying?
Things like that that we see her

555
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:43,840
do.
Yeah.

556
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,680
We see her that.
Yeah.

557
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,680
Right, he would have taught.
Her those things that and now

558
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,840
doing the patrol, that's
something different.

559
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,680
Yeah.
So I I understand that part.

560
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,040
But and and now he was in a safe
place.

561
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,400
He has a different kind of
relationship with her.

562
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,680
He wants her to be a child.
Enjoy, enjoy being a kid, you

563
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,159
know, But for her, that's not
easy to switch back off when

564
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,159
that's not what we were doing.
That wasn't the circumstances of

565
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,960
our relationship.
And now you want to be dad and

566
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,639
you want to be a kid.
That's not how it's been for a

567
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,920
couple of years.
You know what I'm saying?

568
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,920
So I'm, I know that was a lot to
say, but you know, it's, you

569
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,159
know, Hanukkah.
That's one of the things I do

570
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,840
love about you is that you do
give writers a lot of credit.

571
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,679
I mean I try like.
I say I try to look at things

572
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,840
from different perspectives
because.

573
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,199
Some things do make.
Sense some things don't and when

574
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,520
when you have a characters who.
Who behave in certain.

575
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,840
Ways and then all of a sudden
they behave in ways that are not

576
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,480
characteristic of them.
I try to figure out OK, So what

577
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,720
is different?
You know what could be the

578
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:03,360
mindset because even with me
there are certain things that I

579
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,040
will do consistently, but if
there's something that kind of

580
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,240
throws that off, I will maybe do
something uncharacteristic to

581
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:13,400
kind of compensate for that.
So sometimes I look at

582
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,520
characters and try to think that
too like, OK, so maybe there's a

583
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,480
reason why she doesn't know how
to triangulate.

584
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,280
I mean, one of the things that
they said in that episode when

585
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,960
she and Dana were doing all of
that, she was like, you know I'm

586
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,720
not I'm not schooled.
Well, you know I I wasn't a

587
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,120
bookish person.
I I didn't take the studies

588
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,360
well, I'm not that I don't think
she's you know, you can be smart

589
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,720
but not be book smart.
You can have a lot of common

590
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,200
sense.
You can be street smart.

591
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,320
You can have, you can pick up on
other things besides what you

592
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,200
pick up reading a book.
And that was something that she

593
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,400
stated very clearly.
So I, I try to take all those

594
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,440
things into consideration too.
You know, sometimes reading the

595
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,720
map, that's a little bit too
much like school work.

596
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,320
She might have been like, OK,
you know what, as long as I know

597
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,560
how to get from A to B, I'm
good.

598
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,640
But maybe she's never been in a
situation where she had to

599
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,760
triangulate and try to, you
know, figure out how.

600
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,680
I give you that the Army is
running.

601
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,800
And you know how they're, I'll
give you that.

602
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:26,880
However, however, Federer was
training kid soldiers, they were

603
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,400
going to spend some time maybe
not triangulating, but reading a

604
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,880
map.
Yeah.

605
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,920
That's that's a that's.
A basic thing, a soldier I.

606
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:37,760
Think she.
Can.

607
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:44,680
Just this version, I don't know.
I don't know reading a reading.

608
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,720
A map figuring out how to get
from point A to point B.

609
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,680
That's not that hard doing the
other stuff because what Dina

610
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,480
was doing was she was following
the patterns that the army was

611
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,800
going and she was looking at the
map and figuring out, OK,

612
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,960
they're avoiding this place,
they're not going here.

613
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,120
And there's this whole warehouse
that that's what she was

614
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,080
triangulating like OK, so it
I'm.

615
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,800
Fine with that.
So yeah.

616
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,000
It seems like.
Though Ellie just wouldn't.

617
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,720
Know how to do that?
I was thinking.

618
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,600
This Ellie, unless you told her
what direction to go, she

619
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,240
wouldn't know where to go, you
know?

620
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,240
Yeah.
The word asked.

621
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,680
Her.
Do you even know where you're

622
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,960
going?
I'll figure it out.

623
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,480
No, She.
Said she said she was going to

624
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:36,640
go northwest, northwest.
Right, but she didn't.

625
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,720
She just.
Didn't she wasn't telling her

626
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:42,080
like a specific path?
So, yeah, and I mean, Dan was

627
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,200
like, OK, well, and, and also
she's probably been on more

628
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,960
patrol so she would know the
safer places to go 'cause Ellie

629
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,400
wasn't allowed on patrols up
until she turned 19.

630
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,520
And then remember, Joe had took
her off patrol.

631
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,720
So yeah, anyway, we're getting
in the weeds.

632
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:07,280
We can disagree to disagree that
maybe, I don't know, maybe Ellie

633
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,080
might be a little bit more.
OK.

634
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Anyway, going back to the whole
Ellie and Jesse thing.

635
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:19,840
So Speaking of.
Jesse, Sir, why are we walking

636
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,560
around in broad daylight out the
open?

637
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,520
I know their forces are probably
dealing with other stuff, but

638
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,600
you still got to take a little
bit of care.

639
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:31,640
Yeah, when you're moving.
From.

640
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,360
They almost got caught, you
know, standing out in the open.

641
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,200
I was wondering that.
Too.

642
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,000
I was like y'all aren't scaling
the walls, y'all are.

643
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Or at least hugging the.
Walls, Right, Right.

644
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,400
Or at least hugging.
You, that's what.

645
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:48,160
I meant.
That's what I meant.

646
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,080
To say, but yeah, just like, you
know, you're just going straight

647
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,360
down the street like y'all have
a regular.

648
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,760
Conversation talking like no one
could be listening.

649
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,200
So whatever, but that's been.
A That's been a complaint that

650
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,760
we've had the entire season at
least.

651
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,080
At least they've been
consistent.

652
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,840
How you doing that?
But then when they are.

653
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,560
Almost caught.
It's because one of the

654
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Seraphite kids is being cornered
by some of the Wolf soldiers and

655
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,520
Jesse and Ellie run into a
garage and they hide behind some

656
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,640
trash cans and they get to
witness this thing.

657
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,840
Now Ellie wants to go and save
the Seraphite kid.

658
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,520
She's like, no, we're not gonna
let these people bullet.

659
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,320
Because in her mind still, she's
thinking that the wolves are the

660
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:44,000
bad guys because she's seen the
the first set of Seraphites that

661
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,440
were killed.
And then she's recently seen the

662
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,440
ones that were kind of, you
know, just kind of dumped up

663
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,320
under the wall.
So I think in her mind, she's

664
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,400
still saying, OK, yeah, we saw
this, that the Seraphites strung

665
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,160
their soldiers up, but the
wolves were doing stuff first.

666
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,160
I think that's what she's
thinking in her mind.

667
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,040
So she's like, OK, we need to go
save this kid.

668
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:10,320
And Jesse is like, no, no.
And he tells her, he said this

669
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,160
is their war.
This is not something that we're

670
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,280
involved in.
I'm not about to die for them.

671
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:23,680
My whole goal is for us to go
find Tommy, go get Dina and get

672
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,200
the fuck out.
Let them handle their own shit.

673
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,800
I need to worry about y'all and
what's back home.

674
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,760
He's like, yeah.
They gonna kill this kid, but

675
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,080
that ain't got nothing to do
with this.

676
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,560
And that's a big.
Big problem, I think for Ellie

677
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,880
because one, like she said, he's
a kid, This guy that they

678
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,080
literally, they stripped him up
his clothes and then drunk him

679
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,840
through the street to take him
back to the Wolf Help

680
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,840
headquarters or wherever they're
gonna go.

681
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,520
But then they have this
conversation, this big argument,

682
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,880
because they realize that here
on the radio that there's a

683
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,520
sniper who was shooting at the
wolves.

684
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,600
But they realize he's not a
Scar, he's not a Seraphy.

685
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,520
They're like, he's unidentified.
So they automatically assume

686
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,600
it's Tommy.
They're like paper.

687
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,560
Oh, yeah.
OK, so.

688
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,000
The step back, can we go back a
little bit?

689
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,800
Yeah, I.
Yeah, I want to say.

690
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,120
I think I think I figured out.
I think I figured out.

691
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,400
What's happening with Ellie on
the show versus Ellie in the

692
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,200
video game?
Because in the video game as a

693
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,720
player character Ellie is a
problem.

694
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,080
Like stealth Ellie in the game.
2-3 Wolf.

695
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,840
Soldiers, she had taken them out
and you would have been fine,

696
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:56,800
but I think they're trying to
characterize her as more of AI

697
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:03,120
don't want to say humanist, but
she's more thoughtful and more

698
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,960
sensitive about things because
Alien.

699
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,840
The game would have been like
Jessie.

700
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,480
I'm not getting involved in that
because we have a task we need

701
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,840
to accomplish so.
Or as a player.

702
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,360
You might decide I don't want
that to happen.

703
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,280
I could go over there and kill
them and help the certified kid

704
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,400
go, right, So you can make that
decision.

705
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,200
You can make that choice.
That wouldn't have been a

706
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,320
problem, and Jessie would just
have to go along with you.

707
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,120
OK, OK.
Whatever.

708
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,200
But I think they really, it
seems like a lot of the things

709
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,440
that's been happening with
Ellie, her decisions, the way

710
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,680
she's acting is making her more
human.

711
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:45,560
Does that make sense?
Yes.

712
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,600
And.
And I think a lot of that has to

713
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,680
do with something GAIL said.
Is that her name?

714
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,440
GAIL, when she was talking to
Tommy at the softball field, she

715
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,680
said, you know, she is on the
path.

716
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,640
It's not the path that Joel set
her on.

717
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,480
It's she's on her own path.
And that path.

718
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,320
Is like I said, it's about
breaking the cycle of violence,

719
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,520
right, right.
And so instead of getting

720
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,720
getting her there at the end,
we're seeing her fighting

721
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,680
against it this whole time.
Everything she's doing is trying

722
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,160
to break away from what we would
think Joel would have instilled

723
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,360
in her.
So she's making her own choices,

724
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,600
her own decisions.
And when I look at it from that

725
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,280
perspective, a lot of the stuff
that she does and the decisions

726
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,240
she makes, they do kind of make
sense.

727
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:43,760
It kind of works because if you
want to make her more human, you

728
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,200
know, because even Jesse, you
may think he is, but he's being

729
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,760
very cold and calculated about
what they're supposed to be

730
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,360
doing, right?
He has an objective.

731
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,720
What's going on here?
That kid that has nothing to do

732
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,560
what they're doing, and she's
like, no, we need to do

733
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,640
something about this because we
just can't let them kill this

734
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,120
kid.
It doesn't matter that he's a

735
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,600
Seraphite.
It doesn't matter that they're

736
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,480
wolf.
They as a person, as a human

737
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,240
being, we should not be letting
that happen, right?

738
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,480
Right and.
When you take that perspective

739
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,800
and look back on the whole
season, a lot of the things she

740
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,000
does kind of make sense from
that perspective.

741
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,480
She's more human, she's more
emotional, she's more feeling,

742
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,120
you know, whatever.
I just wanted to say that before

743
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:33,680
we got into Tommy being a
menace, all these trained

744
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,120
soldiers with his one rifle,
right?

745
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,280
But.
Also, just going back to what

746
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,760
you were just saying, if you
think about the way that Jesse

747
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,480
kind of views things, it's it's
almost like it's the US versus

748
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,920
them type thing.
And in a lot of ways, I think

749
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,360
he's like Joel in that sense.
If you think about Joel that

750
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,040
last time we saw him with Maria
when they were bringing in the

751
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,120
refugees, he was like, yeah, we
might need to stop doing that.

752
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,360
Like we, we can't take care of
other people.

753
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,440
We can't take care of our own,
you know, if if our resources

754
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,200
are depleted, we don't have and
and we don't have enough to feed

755
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,120
our own people or take care of
our own people, shelter our own

756
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,080
people, how can we take care of
other people?

757
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,080
And I think.
Jesse has a lot of that.

758
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,200
Mindset as well.
Jesse's like, you know what, We

759
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,600
came into their territory.
They got some kind of beef going

760
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,440
on, then I got shit to do with
us.

761
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,080
All I care about is my people.
And then also he has the recent

762
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,160
knowledge that he's about to be
a father.

763
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,880
He's like Dina said, she can't
die.

764
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,240
Not that she doesn't want to
die.

765
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,720
She can't die.
She's And, he says.

766
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,160
He says I can't die even I can't
die either.

767
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,480
I'm.
About to be a father, so now he

768
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,720
said that.
He said that I think he was a

769
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,480
dead man.
I felt it too, but I was like

770
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,400
and a lot.
Of it has to do with the

771
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,000
community conversation she's
like fuck communities.

772
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,440
This is about.
Human.

773
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,600
It's, it's about being people,
being human.

774
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,440
They made me think of The
Walking Dead again, and you know

775
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,080
what?
I was.

776
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,920
Just about to say that too.
Not just The Walking Dead, but

777
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,080
any type of dystopian story that
we've heard because it's always

778
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,000
about OK, well, we need to
preserve us.

779
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,360
Fuck them.
Other people like Color Games.

780
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,560
And that's history.
For themselves.

781
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,480
And that's what.
Contributes to a lot of the

782
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,320
conflict because it's every man
or every group for themselves.

783
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,080
And then it gets to a point
where it's like, Oh well you

784
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,960
guys have the electricity and
y'all have a whole town over

785
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:35,800
here.
Well guess what?

786
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,640
Maybe we can come and take that
from you instead of it being a

787
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:45,000
collaborative thing, you know,
and and Ellie says that point

788
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,600
Blake to him.
She was like, you think you're

789
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,600
so much better than me because
you fight for community and you

790
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,480
know, those are your people and
that's who you're protected.

791
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,640
She was like, well, let me tell
you something about community.

792
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,680
I had to watch my community get
beaten to death in front of me

793
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,920
while I watched.
She was like, so fuck you and

794
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,160
your community.
I'm going to go handle this Abby

795
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,800
thing.
You can go do whatever, you

796
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,560
know, And I don't think it had
anything to do with the fact

797
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,080
that she didn't want to go help
Jesse.

798
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,680
I don't think it had anything to
do with the fact that she didn't

799
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,360
want to go help Tommy.
In her mind, like she told

800
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,600
Jesse, she said I know what he's
capable of.

801
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,520
I ain't worried about him,
right?

802
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,760
I'm just worried about.
Him, but this Tommy going to be

803
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,040
all right.
Right.

804
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,720
But this bitch over here and she
said that she was like, Tommy

805
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:37,120
will want me to go handle that.
I'm going to go do.

806
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,920
This and I don't know if I feel
like.

807
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,720
Especially now.
After watching this episode, I

808
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:48,280
don't know if I feel like that's
really what Tommy would have

809
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,960
wanted.
Just because going back to that,

810
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,560
breaking generational curses and
breaking those curses, I know

811
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,160
I've been saying I want to see
that version of Tommy.

812
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,520
The whole season I'm.
Like, yes, I need to see the

813
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,640
Tommy that we talked about at
the beginning of the show where

814
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,160
he was like, yeah, me and my
brother, we did some bad things.

815
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,760
I want to see that Tommy.
But at the same time, the Tommy

816
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,840
that we saw at the end of the
episode, because yes, we finally

817
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,680
did get to see Tommy.
But he, you know, when

818
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,440
everything happened, he
basically looked at Ellie and

819
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,160
was like, are you going to be
able to make your peace with the

820
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,760
fact that Abby is still alive,
'cause we need to go home.

821
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,120
That was his and and so.
Let's talk about internal

822
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:37,200
consistency of characters, OK?
Tommy, you off?

823
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,520
Trying to find Ellie, you know,
you looking around, you sneaking

824
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,720
around, being off stealthy.
Oh, let me pull up my sniper

825
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:51,320
rifle and start shooting people.
I would like to see what caused

826
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,760
that to happen.
Yeah.

827
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,240
Because if he's.
Sniping.

828
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,320
That means he's at a distance,
yeah.

829
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:04,520
That doesn't sound like he's.
Looking for Ellie or?

830
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,040
And you're going to give.
The writers, a lot of credit.

831
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,360
No, no, no, because I was.
Going to say depending on where,

832
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,000
because I don't remember what
location he was at, but if the

833
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,320
if the wolves that he saw were
getting too close to the

834
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,480
theater, like maybe he had eyes
on the theater and he knew Dina

835
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,560
was in there, maybe he's like,
OK, let me keep them away from

836
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,960
there.
Or he could have been no wait,

837
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,920
wait, wait, wait.
Wait, wait, why would now they

838
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,040
all of a sudden they want to be
heading towards the theater?

839
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,280
They got shit going on on the
perimeter with the with the with

840
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,360
the Cera fights.
Well, I mean, we don't know.

841
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:39,960
Because they could be
patrolling.

842
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,480
I mean, we we did say that was
weird that no one was patrolling

843
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,360
that area, that no one came and
checked the theater, especially

844
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:53,760
considering you had that whole
horde of clickers in that subway

845
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,440
station and you had people down
there.

846
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,480
Like you didn't send people to
come and look.

847
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,560
Yeah, let's, let's, let's.
Not talk about that because they

848
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,120
didn't want to talk about it,
right?

849
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,080
You had the whole squad go
missing and you didn't bother to

850
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,360
go figure out what happened.
Just saying.

851
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,800
So because when that squad got
down there, because we were

852
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,040
going to go back, when the squad
got down there, what did they

853
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,280
say?
I thought this area was clear,

854
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,240
yeah.
Yeah.

855
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,960
All right.
But.

856
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Y'all went but but they.
Went missing so OK OK OK I'm I'm

857
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,240
sure we.
Will see we will see what

858
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:35,880
prompted time we could start
popping heads yeah but we'll

859
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,800
we'll see because if he had to
have come into.

860
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:46,120
Contact with someone, I mean,
because Jess, Jesse went looking

861
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,840
for Dina and Ellie and of course
they run into the seraphights.

862
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,600
So I don't know, maybe Tommy,
maybe they saw Tommy and mistook

863
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,440
him for a scar and he was able
to get away and decided, oh, OK,

864
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,840
let me go up here and handle
handle this.

865
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,120
Because also, if he's sniping,
that means he's lying in wait

866
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,160
for someone.
It's not like he just took up a

867
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,880
position and was like, OK, no,
he was doing that for a specific

868
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,240
reason, their reasons.
OK.

869
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,800
Don't tell me, don't tell me.
We'll we'll we'll get to because

870
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,600
I do have questions.
We'll get to that towards the

871
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,880
end of the the Yeah, I'm, I'm
being.

872
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,440
Facetious about him just
starting to snipe at people for

873
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,680
there's reasons I know I.
Know you're being facetious.

874
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,920
I know, I know.
All of a sudden, you just.

875
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,440
Want to start popping heads?
OK, Sir, it might not.

876
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,360
Might not be all of a sudden.
Anyway.

877
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,320
So when when Ellie and Jesse
when they when they had their

878
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,320
little argument and they go
their separate ways.

879
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,760
Because Ellie has.
Figured out what Nora was

880
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,920
talking about when when she's
telling Dean about what

881
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,160
happened, she said Nora only
said 2 words.

882
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,800
She said Will and Will and I
don't know what that means.

883
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,640
So when they're up in this
building and they're trying to

884
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:11,240
figure out where Tommy is, she
happens to see a Ferris wheel

885
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,920
way off in the distance, way off
on the on the coast.

886
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,760
And then she was like, oh,
that's what Nora was talking

887
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,560
about.
She's at the aquarium, you know,

888
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,040
the Ferris wheel, Wales,
whatever.

889
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,000
And Jesse's looking at her like,
what the hell are you talking

890
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,200
about?
Like we supposed to be looking

891
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,760
for talking.
What are you talking about?

892
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,960
But Ellie again, focused and one
of the things that I thought

893
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,400
about watching this episode,
especially with everything that

894
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,240
Ellie goes through because they
have the argument.

895
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,120
Jesse goes his way, she goes
hers.

896
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,720
She comes down to the dock at
night.

897
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,160
She sees Isaac and his people.
We're going to talk about Isaac

898
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,040
in a little bit.
She sees him and his people

899
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,000
loading stuff on boats in the
dark.

900
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,080
There's a storm going on, so the
water is choppy.

901
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,920
They go in One Direction.
She gets in a boat, she goes

902
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:06,520
towards the the aquarium, she
gets knocked over by a huge

903
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,920
wave, then she finds herself on
the shore.

904
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,520
She gets captured by the
Seraphites.

905
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,040
They get ready to hang her and
gut her, and then something is

906
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,880
going on that calls them off and
they leave her there.

907
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,600
I was like Ellie.
Take little.

908
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,040
Pay attention to the signs
sweetheart, cause instead of

909
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,600
when you get back to the shore,
you get in the boat and you

910
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,800
continue on.
I'm like baby, keep going.

911
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,720
Something keeps trying.
To kill you.

912
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,720
Something is telling you this is
not the path you should be on.

913
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:39,760
That's that's really how I felt
about it.

914
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Like you've been washed over in
the boat.

915
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,040
You could have drowned.
You got hung by the Sarah

916
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,720
fights.
They were about to get you.

917
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,520
But because of an alarm going on
from what they said was their

918
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,080
village, they let you go.
Here's your You got another

919
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:59,520
chance at life.
Take the boat, go back, go home.

920
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,080
Go home.
She keeps going.

921
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:09,680
She gets to the aquarium and the
other thing again with her.

922
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,960
You don't know who's at.
This aquarium.

923
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,040
You don't know how many.
People are there.

924
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,120
And you turn your flashlight.
On that.

925
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,440
Flashlight on flashlight they're
flashing.

926
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,600
Their light everywhere,
everywhere.

927
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,880
Everywhere.
I was like, what?

928
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,720
And I understand she.
Needs to see, she needs to be

929
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:33,560
able to see what's going on.
But you trying to sneak up on

930
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:39,080
people with your flashlight and
it's a.

931
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,440
Bright.
Flashlight.

932
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,480
But anyway, she.
Goes through the aquarium, she

933
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,000
finally hears voices.
She turns the flashlight off and

934
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,880
it happens to be Owen and Mel,
and they're arguing because what

935
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,560
we find out earlier in the
episode from Isaac is that Abby

936
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,680
is supposed to be leading,
helping him to lead whatever

937
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,800
battle they're about to do.
Because he's not expecting to

938
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,080
live.
He's not expecting old girl from

939
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,160
the two episodes ago, the one
whose son went down.

940
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,720
He's not expecting her to live.
He's expecting Abby to take over

941
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:23,080
and lead if they die.
But Abby and her whole crew not.

942
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,040
Her.
Whole crew and not showing up.

943
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,960
They they don't know where they
are.

944
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,680
So you hear.
Owen and Mel arguing because

945
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,000
Owen is like, yeah, Abby is such
and such.

946
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,040
I'm going to go find her.
You know, we, we got to go

947
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,760
because it's Abby.
And Mel is like, well, I'm not

948
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,360
going to go because it's Abby,
because it's Abby.

949
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,360
Obviously and I think.
We discussed this.

950
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,680
We were like, OK, Owen seems to
be like Abby's right hand

951
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,960
person.
That's the person who she's

952
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,560
probably going to be able to
count on.

953
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,840
Out of all of those people, Mel,
I felt like was going to be the

954
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,920
least likely because she was the
one who had the problems with

955
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:08,000
what Abby was doing.
So you kind of see that here and

956
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,800
only has this old thing.
OK, well I'm going to go get her

957
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,360
and we're going to come back to
such and such.

958
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,880
And if you're there, you go with
us.

959
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,160
And if you're not, you're just
not.

960
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,920
And I was just like.
Oh, I get to know what this

961
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,760
dynamic is because she was
basically like, fuck you, Owen.

962
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,600
And then, of course, she gets
ready to walk off and she sees

963
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,880
Ellie.
Ellie has a gun trained on them

964
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,840
and they're sitting there and
she's telling them, hey, where's

965
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,800
Abby?
Always, always happens to look

966
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,080
at her.
And he was like I.

967
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,880
Saved your life.
Don't forget that.

968
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,720
And I felt like Ellie should
have been like Abby.

969
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:48,560
Like what life?
You saved me for.

970
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,880
What?
OK you saved me so I could come

971
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,840
in and get y'all.
And he and Mel are having a

972
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,520
conversation because he tells
her she's just going to kill us

973
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,680
once we tell her where Abby is.
And Ellie says I'm not because

974
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,880
I'm not like you.
And I was like, OK, she really

975
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,200
didn't kill Nora, but I don't
know if I felt like she would

976
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,480
leave, she would let them live.
I think she was like.

977
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,720
OK, she.
Says she's not like them and I

978
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:18,560
feel like, like you said, she's
trying to break that cycle.

979
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,760
All she wanted was the map.
Because they had just been

980
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,520
talking about where Abby was and
how they were going to go get

981
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,400
her.
All she wanted was the map.

982
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,160
She said give me the map and
I'll let you 2 live.

983
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:39,000
Owen has to try his luck.
And tries to go.

984
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,160
For a gun and tries to shoot her
and she ends up shooting him and

985
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,120
she got him right there in the
middle of his his neck.

986
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,520
He falls.
Mel turns to look at the locker

987
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,520
behind her, because the bullet
is in the locker.

988
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,840
Then she turns.
Around and you see that the

989
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,880
bullet sliced her neck.
She falls down and then she

990
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,320
tells Ellie.
She starts messing around with

991
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,320
you, think it's her belt, and
she says you're gonna take it

992
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,280
out.
And I was like, take what out?

993
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,080
The bullet is not in her neck.
Then she reveals that she's

994
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:23,760
fucking pregnant.
And I was just like, hey, this a

995
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:31,440
bitch and she's trying to get
Ellie to cut out her baby before

996
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,720
the baby dies and before he
wants her to do wants.

997
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,280
Her to do AC section.
And Ellie's going to do it.

998
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,720
Tell me what to do.
You have to make an incision and

999
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,200
then she then gone into medical
terminology.

1000
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,640
OK, where traverse, right?
How deep Ellie is.

1001
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,200
Like I don't know what.
That means I don't know.

1002
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:52,560
What that?
What are you?

1003
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,520
What are you?
Talking about, yeah.

1004
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,480
And it's so sad because.
Ellie, I don't like you said, I

1005
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,960
don't think she went there with
the intention to kill them.

1006
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,360
Not them.
She don't.

1007
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,040
She only wants Abby.
She only wants Abby.

1008
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,600
And the fact that Owen, you
know, I guess it it is what it

1009
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,040
is.
He he didn't think she was going

1010
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,000
to let him live.
He doesn't know.

1011
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,760
All he knows about her is, oh,
yeah, this is the girl that we

1012
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,480
held down while we killed.
Oh, boy.

1013
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,720
OK.
But the fact that.

1014
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,880
She couldn't say that baby
before Mel died.

1015
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,680
You see how much that haunts
her, that hurts her because

1016
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,920
again, we just found out Dina's
pregnant.

1017
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,760
This could have been, this could
be Dina in any situation.

1018
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,840
And I think that really hits
her.

1019
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,640
And her being so as far along as
she was, that means she was

1020
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,600
pregnant when all that stuff
happened with Joel.

1021
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,480
It's like, Oh well.
Because Abby, she was in.

1022
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,440
She was in.
Shock, though.

1023
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,400
She was literally frozen in
shock.

1024
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,320
Yeah, because.
She couldn't do anything.

1025
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:01,680
She was like, I don't know what
to do.

1026
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,920
Again.
She's, she's growing up in a

1027
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:09,240
world where that kind of thing
isn't normal or isn't isn't, you

1028
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,320
know, doesn't happen very often.
And then you're using medical

1029
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,040
terms.
I just I felt.

1030
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,040
So bad for her.
And then of course, here comes

1031
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,960
Tommy and Jesse.
They find her.

1032
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,120
And they take her away.
And Jesse just looks at Mel

1033
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,960
because of course Mel dies.
And I was just like.

1034
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,200
Oh, this is this is going so
bad.

1035
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,840
This is this is going so bad
because you just went through

1036
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,600
all that and still know Abby.
You don't know where she is.

1037
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,760
You don't know like you don't.
They don't even take the map

1038
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,240
with them when they when they
try to get her out, when they

1039
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,000
try to get Billy out.
So.

1040
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:58,840
I I guess in a way.
For Mel's character, I will say

1041
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,920
I did feel bad because again, I
felt like when all of that stuff

1042
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,360
was going on with Joel.
I don't think she.

1043
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,720
Realized Abby meant to do things
the way that she ended up doing

1044
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,440
it.
You know, it's one thing.

1045
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,240
To say, Oh yeah, he he needs to
die slow and you.

1046
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,240
Can think OK.
Yeah, she's upset.

1047
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,240
She's mad.
That's probably why she's saying

1048
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,400
that.
But for her to have to sit there

1049
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,200
and witness that and to see Abby
do that to Joel.

1050
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,120
I kind of.
Figured Mel was gonna be one of

1051
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,480
those.
You know, we talked about it.

1052
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:35,120
We said sometimes situations
like that it we the bond people

1053
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:38,000
together or it will push them
apart.

1054
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,480
And I think Mel was the one,
probably the only one who's

1055
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,960
probably like, she's crazy, fuck
her, I'm not doing this.

1056
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,280
And then again we see.
She also had another reason to

1057
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,080
want to stray away from that
type of violence or to stray

1058
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,120
away from that type of
situation.

1059
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,280
So I I did feel.
Bad about her diet, especially

1060
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:05,400
since it wasn't intentional.
Oh, and no, I don't feel bad

1061
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,520
about him.
Even though Ellie hadn't planned

1062
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,520
on killing anybody, I don't feel
bad for him.

1063
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,560
You pulled a gun on her.
You tried to shoot her.

1064
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,560
Yeah.
So since you're not going to

1065
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:22,680
play the game because you're not
going to play the game, I, you

1066
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,360
know.
The type of personality I have,

1067
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,680
if I get that game and I start
playing, I ain't doing shit else

1068
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,400
with my life.
Well, one you're not.

1069
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,080
Playing because it's a horror
game.

1070
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,840
You're not going to do the jump.
Scares you're not going to do.

1071
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,880
The clickers chasing you, you're
not going to and the stalkers,

1072
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:47,200
you're not going to do that.
The scene played out.

1073
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:54,280
Differently in the game where
she she had the gun trained on

1074
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,920
Owen and Mel said something to
him, she turned the gun towards

1075
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,880
Mel.
Owen jumped for the gun.

1076
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,840
And they were.
Fighting over the gun, she shot

1077
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,560
Owen, he falls down.
While he's falling down, Mel

1078
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,680
attacks her with a knife.
And then they struggle.

1079
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,280
With a knife, struggle with a
knife.

1080
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,640
And then of course, Ellie
overpowers her and and stabs her

1081
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,400
in the neck.
OK it.

1082
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,560
Wasn't until.
Then she saw that she was

1083
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,000
pregnant.
OK.

1084
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,600
So I I.
Say this to say again, I think

1085
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:36,520
they changed it to show more of
this Ellie trying to break the

1086
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:42,680
cycle and this Ellie
accidentally kills Mel versus

1087
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:47,000
killing Mel on purpose, right?
But this male did also didn't

1088
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,640
attack her as well.
So right, she didn't attack her.

1089
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:53,920
Either and but the look on her
face, the shock that she had

1090
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,200
because she really didn't want
to kill them.

1091
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,560
You know and.
It wasn't like.

1092
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,200
She still didn't know Mel was.
Pregnant, but again, it looks

1093
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,480
like it's accidental and not on
purpose.

1094
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,200
Yeah, but she literally got on
top of her and stabs her in the

1095
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,520
neck in the game, so that was
very purposeful.

1096
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,960
Well, I mean if.
You're, if you're trying to

1097
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,720
attack me with a knife, then
that's what I would do too,

1098
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:22,800
right?
So.

1099
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,760
Again, it's trying to show her
more human side and not this

1100
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:32,640
revenge monster that I wanted to
see 2 episodes ago.

1101
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,080
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

1102
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,520
So how are you feeling about
this whole thing?

1103
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,160
Well, now that I've accepted.
That that's what they're trying

1104
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,480
to do with her.
I'm OK with it.

1105
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,480
OK.
OK, I'm OK.

1106
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,160
With that, I know a lot of fans
are probably wanting to see the

1107
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,800
revenge Ellie, but you have to
realize this is this is

1108
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,760
literally not the same Ellie.
I wonder if we're.

1109
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:59,040
Going to see it now since
Jesse's dead.

1110
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,640
Well, I guess it depends.
It depends on how that that.

1111
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,400
OK, we'll we'll we'll come to
that.

1112
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,840
We'll come to that in a little
bit.

1113
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,040
Because they do go back to.
The theater, once they have her,

1114
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:18,000
she kind of takes her beat and
then she comes back and Tommy is

1115
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,840
so funny because he looks at
Jesse.

1116
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,480
He looks at her because he knows
what that did to Ellie.

1117
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,240
And then I don't know if he
knows that Dana is pregnant, but

1118
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,600
he senses, OK, you know what?
I'm going to go out here and do

1119
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:36,160
such and such while y'all have
your conversation.

1120
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,960
And so they have a.
Conversation that Ellie thanks

1121
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,320
him for coming back for her
because again, after they had

1122
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,520
that fight, Jesse was like, OK I
I hope you make it.

1123
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:52,880
I'm a go find Tommy and he tells
me I, you know, how do you know?

1124
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,200
I came back because I wanted to.
I could have came back because

1125
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,640
Tommy forced me to.
And she says, is that what

1126
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,840
happened?
And he takes a beat before he

1127
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:05,360
says no.
And then he says he.

1128
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,600
Says because I know if it was me
you used to bring the world down

1129
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:10,520
to save me.
Yeah.

1130
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,880
And she said I.
Would.

1131
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,160
And that was I.
Feel like that was the start of

1132
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,120
them reconciling.
And then, of course, they hear a

1133
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:25,200
commotion coming from the lobby.
They run towards the.

1134
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,680
Sound and like we said Jesse
just burst through the door and

1135
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:33,960
immediately get shot in the face
like and they show us they show

1136
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,720
us his face his eyes are open
the bullet wound goes has gone

1137
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:42,840
right in his cheek so there's no
chance that he's alive it was

1138
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,720
funny you.
You texted me.

1139
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,720
They didn't have to shoot him in
the face.

1140
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,080
They didn't have to shoot.
Him in the face.

1141
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:52,720
They didn't have to shoot him
at.

1142
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,400
All but I mean, I'm not, I'm
actually not surprised, like you

1143
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,400
said, one, why would you burst
through the door like that when

1144
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,200
you when you know there's a
commotion going on, you know

1145
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,160
that there's something going on.
And I get it.

1146
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,400
He was probably worried about
Tommy not thinking about that,

1147
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,240
probably worried about Dina,
even though Dina is upstairs

1148
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,360
sleeping.
Whoever is in the lobby may not

1149
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,000
have known that Dina was there,
but again, they didn't know how

1150
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,960
many people were in the lobby
with Tommy.

1151
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,800
That could have been why he got
overpowered because again, like

1152
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,560
you said, how the hell did Abby
get in?

1153
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,120
Where did she come from?
They had the front door

1154
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,720
barricaded so.
How does he get Tommy on the?

1155
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,360
Floor without shooting him in
the leg.

1156
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,080
I don't know but.
Again, this is a person who has

1157
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,880
been trained by militia.
She probably has a little

1158
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,360
stealth of her own.
And she?

1159
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,360
Also has rage because she just
found her friend's dead.

1160
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,320
I don't even know if she knows
about Nora.

1161
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,280
I would assume so if she were
looking.

1162
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,760
For her and can't find her yeah
and then the the.

1163
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,240
Soldiers who chase, who were
chasing Ellie, they were

1164
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,480
probably like, yeah, so Nora ran
down there.

1165
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,680
We're not going down there.
We're just, we're not going down

1166
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,080
there.
Yeah, we're just going to.

1167
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,040
Automatically assume she's dead
and maybe, you know, maybe they

1168
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,360
assume Ellie was dead as well
because they didn't know who

1169
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,120
that was chasing her so they
could have made it's it's.

1170
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:21,080
Possible Abby could have could
have tracked Tommy to to the the

1171
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:25,040
theater that that's possible.
Too, especially since Tommy was

1172
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,560
a sniper.
And she could.

1173
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,399
She could have.
Thought that that was the person

1174
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:32,760
that killed her friends was a
sniper yeah, she.

1175
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:39,279
Well, she probably also maybe
saw him go to the aquarium, him

1176
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:43,720
and Jessie.
I mean, we don't know she, but

1177
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,840
obviously we won't know until.
Next season.

1178
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:50,279
Now until next season.
But you know, anyway, like we

1179
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:53,240
said, they come out, she shoots
Jesse.

1180
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:58,040
Ellie gets up under.
The thing and she tries, you

1181
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,439
know, she pleased with her.
She was like, stop, stop, just

1182
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,200
let him go.
I'm the one that you want.

1183
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:08,840
And then when Abby realizes who
it is, she was like you and she

1184
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,560
said, look, I'm the one you
want.

1185
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,920
Joel killed your father to save
me.

1186
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,279
I'm the one you want.
Just let him go and I'll come

1187
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,399
with you.
And she looks at Ellie.

1188
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:27,040
She says But I let you go and
you wasted it and.

1189
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,840
I'm sitting here.
Watching this saying, didn't Joe

1190
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,000
say the same thing?
He said the same thing.

1191
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,600
Before you.
Shot him and beat him to death.

1192
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:41,720
He saved your life from hundreds
of clickers, but you didn't

1193
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,279
think that was worthy enough for
for you to say, for you to spare

1194
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:50,000
him.
So why would you expect Ellie to

1195
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,399
spare any of your friends lives
when y'all?

1196
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,760
Pinned her down and made.
Her watch.

1197
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,640
But she says.
That.

1198
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,520
She holds her gun up.
To Ellie, Ellie is like no, no,

1199
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:12,160
no, and we fade to black with a
gunshot and then we see.

1200
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:16,520
Abby on the couch.
Waking up, Manny is coming in

1201
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,040
there telling her, hey, Isaac
wants to talk to us.

1202
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,440
And then you see her.
Go out and she's living in a

1203
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:30,240
stadium and they have
transformed.

1204
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:35,040
The stadium is similar to what
they did in season.

1205
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,400
I want to say season 4 of Fear
the Walk.

1206
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,280
Because they did the.
Same thing they had gardens

1207
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:46,280
growing, they used they used the
the sweets as living quarters,

1208
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,160
but they had a lot of shit in
that stadium.

1209
01:10:49,480 --> 01:10:51,040
And then you see it at the
bottom.

1210
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,960
It says Seattle day one.
So of course next season we're

1211
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:58,400
going to get Seattle day 1-2 and
three from Abby's point of view,

1212
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:06,920
which will be interesting.
But again, I, I have thoughts

1213
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:11,520
because I, I don't know what
happens at the end of the game.

1214
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,040
I don't know if she actually
kills Ellie.

1215
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,400
I don't know if Ellie kills her
because again, now they seem to

1216
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,720
be deviating from the game in
the way that Ellie is handling

1217
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,280
things.
So.

1218
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:27,840
I don't know if she shot.
Ellie or not, I personally feel

1219
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,560
like Dina might have woken up
and heard all of the commotion

1220
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:36,120
going on and you know, they're
not leaving Dina without a gun,

1221
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,600
even though she can't move,
they're going to leave her with

1222
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,120
a gun to protect herself in case
something happens.

1223
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:47,600
I think Dina was on that landing
and I think she may have shot

1224
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,400
Abby.
Now, whether she shot her to

1225
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,560
kill her or whether she just
shot her, like maybe in the hand

1226
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:58,000
to disarm her or shot her to
injure her so that Ellie and

1227
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:02,000
Tommy can kind of, I don't know,
But I think it's safe.

1228
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,560
To assume she shot, I assume I
It's safer to assume she shot at

1229
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,000
her.
Because she probably.

1230
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,600
Didn't process fast enough to
make any specific decision about

1231
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,360
where to shoot her.
Who you mean?

1232
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,680
Does that make sense?
Abby.

1233
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,560
Yeah.
Abby shooting at Ellie being the

1234
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:20,440
shooting.
Abby.

1235
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,800
No, I, you know what she she
wouldn't be like.

1236
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,040
Trying to aim at her hand to
shoot a gun.

1237
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,000
No, she aimed for Senator
Madison, pulls the trigger

1238
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:30,560
because that's what they teach
you.

1239
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:31,480
Yeah.
And I was going.

1240
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,440
To yeah, she could have been
off.

1241
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:38,720
A little bit in any One
Direction, but you know, she's

1242
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,160
we'll see.
I don't know how Michelle.

1243
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,280
Not right, Michelle.
And.

1244
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:48,040
I both assumed that that was
Dina because they're not going

1245
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:52,840
to kill Ellie.
I mean they killed too, but.

1246
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,760
They're not going to kill.
And they're not going to kill

1247
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,160
Abby either.
Probably.

1248
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,640
Yeah, but.
I have a feeling like she's

1249
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,760
going to be injured.
She's going, she's going to be

1250
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,440
injured, she's going to get up,
relax, she's outnumber and run.

1251
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:08,520
I'll this.
Is going to happen.

1252
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,240
OK, that's my prediction.
OK.

1253
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,840
Because I feel like if Dina
can't, if Dina heard the

1254
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,080
commotion.
Or even if she didn't.

1255
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,640
Hear the commotion.
She most definitely heard that

1256
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,880
gunshot.
The gunshot would have woken her

1257
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:26,160
up.
The gunshot would.

1258
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:27,600
Have woken her up.
She would have realized

1259
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,280
something was going on.
She would have came to the

1260
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,400
thing.
Now depending on how the

1261
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,840
visibility is, she would have
seen Tommy on the floor being

1262
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,080
held at gunpoint.
She also would have seen Jessie

1263
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,480
Jesse's.
Face blown off.

1264
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:46,520
Jessie's dead.
We've seen his face blown off.

1265
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,720
And she would have been
emotional.

1266
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,280
She would have just pulled the
trigger and yeah.

1267
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:55,200
Especially once she realized
Abby is about to kill the the

1268
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,200
only other person in that room
that she loves.

1269
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,640
She would.
She she wouldn't have processed

1270
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:07,160
anything after seeing just dead.
She would have saw Abby wouldn't

1271
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,440
know who she was, just saw that
she was.

1272
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:11,040
She saw that brave she.
Knew who?

1273
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,160
She definitely would have known
who it was she saw.

1274
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:14,240
Yeah, she didn't pull the
trigger.

1275
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,960
And she pulled, she pointed at
it and pulled the trigger.

1276
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,280
She didn't process anything else
of it.

1277
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,080
I'm shooting at that person
right there.

1278
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:26,840
Yeah.
Now the second shot, she was

1279
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:31,160
aiming for a head or something
if she had a second shot or

1280
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,280
continue to shoot at her as she
ran.

1281
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:34,200
But you know what?
I.

1282
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,400
I kind of.
Feel.

1283
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,560
I feel like she would have.
Shot her the ones I don't think

1284
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:48,640
she would have shot at her to
kill her because even if she is

1285
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:53,240
emotional, even if she's pissed.
I really feel like she.

1286
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:57,560
Would have had enough presence
of presence of mind to say Ellie

1287
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,520
should get that killed.
I don't think so.

1288
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,400
You.
Don't think so.

1289
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,040
No, she can.
There's no way she would have

1290
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,120
saw Jesse and process that much
before poking trigger.

1291
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,840
No possible way.
OK, she would have.

1292
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:18,160
Saw.
Him then Tommy possibly did and

1293
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,920
the that person standing over
Tommy, I'm shooting, period.

1294
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,360
She's not going to process.
Oh, let me, let me wing her so

1295
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,520
Ellie can kill her.
No, because Ellie don't have no

1296
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,640
gun.
She got a gun pointed at her.

1297
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,040
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause she.
Did throw the gun she.

1298
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:41,480
Did she's not going to process
but we can process a lot but the

1299
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:44,800
emotional state that she would
have been in and that and plus

1300
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,280
having just woken up yeah and.
Probably.

1301
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,240
A little groggy from pain meds?
Oh no.

1302
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:54,120
That.
Well, if she had pain, if she

1303
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:55,960
had, I think she.
Had alcohol.

1304
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,520
Which she didn't drink.
I don't think they would have

1305
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,520
had pain meds, but I, I think
the gunshot would have woken her

1306
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:03,880
up.
She probably would have had

1307
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,840
enough adrenaline going on
because now all of a sudden,

1308
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,960
like, OK, there's a gunshot,
that means somebody is in here,

1309
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,920
there's somebody's in danger.
I think she would have been on

1310
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,560
high alert, but.
She would have.

1311
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:17,400
She wouldn't have been able to
process.

1312
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,240
Let me save her for Ellie.
No, it would have been.

1313
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,360
I need to shoot this person now.
Period, Yeah.

1314
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:36,160
I I am curious.
To see everything from Abby's

1315
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,160
point of view.
OK, so this is the thing I am

1316
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,640
going to ask you.
It's going to be a little bit

1317
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,760
spoilery, but I need some
clarification because I think I

1318
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:49,440
misunderstood something you said
a few episodes ago when you were

1319
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:54,320
talking about Tommy in the game
from Abby's point of view.

1320
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:59,280
You keep saying that he is
Abby's monster, and I think, I

1321
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,880
unders, I think I listened to
that and thought that he was

1322
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:07,560
going to be working for Abby,
not knowing who Abby was.

1323
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,880
But no, you mean he's going to
be the one going after Abby this

1324
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,000
time?
Something like that?

1325
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,280
OK, OK.
OK, do not have video games.

1326
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,920
You have many bosses and a boss
you have boss fights.

1327
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:25,120
He would be like a boss fight.
OK, OK, because.

1328
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,560
I think when you said it A, I
say a mini, I say a.

1329
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,480
Mini boss, you did, but we were
talking.

1330
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:36,680
About Abby, So I think I, I
associated that in my mind, like

1331
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:41,480
Abby was the big boss and he was
working under her, not knowing

1332
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:44,000
who she was.
Like maybe he was trying to get

1333
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,200
information or doing OK.
So I completely misunderstood

1334
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,440
that.
So he's going to be a problem.

1335
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:51,960
I see your screen name.
He's going to be a problem for

1336
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:53,640
the wolves.
Yeah.

1337
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,160
Oh, OK.
Yeah, remember he?

1338
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,520
He's sniping at them and pinning
them down.

1339
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,880
That's this is the.
Tommy that I want to see.

1340
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,320
This is the Tommy that.
I want to see.

1341
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:04,720
So he walked.
He walked.

1342
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,120
Away apparently unscathed.
Oh, even.

1343
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,360
More so, this is Jesse.
Jesse.

1344
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,400
Walks up and this is like, you
ready to go?

1345
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:16,080
Yeah, I think I'm pretty good.
I, I think I killed maybe 100 of

1346
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,600
them a week ago now.
No, I'm just, I'm just making.

1347
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:22,680
I'm just making it up.
But you know, that could have

1348
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,960
been that conversation, 'cause
he this is just walk away,

1349
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:27,400
right?
OK.

1350
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,880
'Cause on the radio they say.
He's got his pin down.

1351
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,920
We can't get to him.
We've got casualties, multiple

1352
01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:41,080
I'm, I'm.
Headed to see that version of

1353
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,240
Tommy and I, I hate.
Well, no, I don't hate to say

1354
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:49,720
it.
If Abby does happen to get away

1355
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,800
from this situation at the
theater, like you said, if Dina

1356
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,040
just injuries her and she
realizes she's outnumbered and

1357
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,480
she leaves.
At that point.

1358
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,800
I want to see Ellie go full
revenge mode.

1359
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,800
I want her to be like, OK, you
know what, fuck this break the

1360
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:10,280
cycle thing.
I'll break the cycle after she's

1361
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,080
dead.
That's kind of where I am,

1362
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,080
right?
That's where you are.

1363
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:16,880
Yes, because.
And and I realized.

1364
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,680
That's dark.
I do have some dark in me that

1365
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,800
like that.
There is nothing that.

1366
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,360
Would bring me greater pleasure
right now.

1367
01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:33,280
And again.
I understand why Abby did what

1368
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,480
she did.
I understand her anger.

1369
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:40,080
I understand all this stuff.
But again.

1370
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:42,880
Y'all were about to take this
girl's life.

1371
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,200
I know Abby didn't have anything
to do with that, but your dad

1372
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:48,520
was about to take this girl's
life.

1373
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:52,440
And like you said, when Joe said
just let her go, I think the

1374
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:55,760
doctor did say I can't do that
or some some boys I did because

1375
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,320
I can't she.
Said I can't do that.

1376
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,520
And then he started going
towards with the knife, like the

1377
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,440
scalpel, like really do.
So it is what?

1378
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:09,640
It is, you know, I, I mean, I
hate it for everybody else

1379
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,280
because we don't know if there
are any other doctors who may

1380
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,680
have been able to do that.
But we also don't know if he was

1381
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,720
actually able to do that.
You know, like we said, Ellie

1382
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,160
could have very well been
sacrificing her life for

1383
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:23,680
nothing.
They he could have got in there

1384
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,880
and be like, oops, I made a
mistake or oops, I can't do this

1385
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,960
or oops, this is not working out
the way I thought it was going

1386
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:31,800
to work out.
He could have eat it.

1387
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,240
It could have gone wrong.
We will never know.

1388
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,000
But.
At this point.

1389
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:44,360
It's, it's going to be a, it's a
cycle because you have Joel

1390
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:49,200
saving Ellie and then Abby going
after Joel.

1391
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,160
And now Ellie is going after
Abby because of what she did to

1392
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,960
Joel.
And it's just going to keep

1393
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,120
going and keep going.
And at some, I, I mean, I'm sure

1394
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,760
at some point Manny is next.
Manny is probably going to be

1395
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:05,160
the first person to die in the
in Season 3 because it's just

1396
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,440
him and Abby left from that
group and Abby says.

1397
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,560
Abby says he killed all my
friends.

1398
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,880
Oh, so.
Oh, and when we saw Manny in the

1399
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,520
end, that was day one.
OK, So, yeah.

1400
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:28,200
But I mean, again, Manny put
Ellie in the hospital for three

1401
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,640
months.
So I love you, Danny Ramirez,

1402
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,120
but you got to go.
You got to go.

1403
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:38,000
Everybody else is dead, all of
the lesser.

1404
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,200
The smaller.
Threats.

1405
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,520
I guess you could say they're
gone.

1406
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,160
I mean Owen.
And Mel were accidents.

1407
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,000
Nora, I'm, I'm sorry.
Nora got what she deserves.

1408
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,800
She was the one that was sitting
with her knee in Ellie's back

1409
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,400
and she got what was coming to
her eye.

1410
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,040
Oh well, whatever.
Now I don't.

1411
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,800
Think this will be the last we
see of those characters, because

1412
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,120
if we're shifting the story to
Abby's point of view for those

1413
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,680
three days in Seattle, we're
going to see all of them.

1414
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,200
We're going to see all of them.
And we're going to see what

1415
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:18,160
caused whatever this this small
rift between Owen and Mel at the

1416
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,760
end having to do with whatever
it was they were supposed to do.

1417
01:22:22,440 --> 01:22:26,000
Did you see the bruise?
Did you see the bruise on Abby's

1418
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,800
neck?
How she get away?

1419
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,040
'Cause that's going to be a
story.

1420
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,000
Yeah, she.
She she got caught by the

1421
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,320
Cerefites, but that's the other
thing.

1422
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:40,080
So we did see Isaac again in
this episode and he is planning

1423
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,360
something having to do with this
war.

1424
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:46,960
And like I said earlier, we saw
him and his people putting stuff

1425
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,720
on boats and they were going to
another side of the island.

1426
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,320
There's something happening.
With the Cerefite village, when

1427
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,360
they're trying to kill Ellie and
when she, you know, when she

1428
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:01,280
gets herself to the boat and is
headed towards the aquarium, she

1429
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:06,840
sees an explosion in the forest.
So I I'm assuming Isaac and his

1430
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,480
people, they blew up the
Seraphight village.

1431
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,520
Yes, they were loading.
Bombs on those boats, which is

1432
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,280
about to.
Escalate things to a whole

1433
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,880
different level if there are any
seraphights left.

1434
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:28,800
But yeah.
I'm looking forward to next.

1435
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,800
Season I I I'm really looking
forward to seeing Abby's

1436
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,360
perspective Day 1-2.
Me too.

1437
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:37,360
And I again, I, I want to see
what Tommy is up to.

1438
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,960
I, I need to see that.
Yeah.

1439
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,840
I want to see what what what
caused him to pin them down

1440
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,480
Like, yeah, what was day?
Three that day Three must have

1441
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:47,360
been hell for everybody.
Must have been hell.

1442
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,320
For everybody, he he freaked
them all.

1443
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,600
Out they know.
Are the Sirah fights using guns

1444
01:23:54,600 --> 01:24:01,160
now you know No, because they.
Said They say he's not a scar.

1445
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:04,200
He's he's unidentified or
unidentified.

1446
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,040
So they knew he.
Wasn't a seraphight.

1447
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:14,080
So I I don't.
Know, but the problem is how

1448
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,520
long are we going to have to
wait for Season 3?

1449
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:18,760
That's going to be the main
thing.

1450
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,120
I don't know how.
I don't know because I.

1451
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,920
Wonder.
I wonder if they filmed.

1452
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:30,360
Everything together.
I wonder if they filmed it all.

1453
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,880
I don't think I've heard.
Anything to that effect?

1454
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,560
So I haven't either, but.
It it would make sense if they

1455
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:46,760
did, yeah.
Let's hope, because if that's

1456
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,280
the case, that means they could
be they could be either in post

1457
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:54,040
production now or they could be
like maybe filming the last part

1458
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,480
of season 3.
I don't know how many episodes

1459
01:24:56,480 --> 01:25:00,000
season 3 is going to have, but
hopefully they won't go any

1460
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,680
lower than what they did with
this one.

1461
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,920
They they did 7 this season.
We had eight last season.

1462
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,840
It's going to be. 6 and let's
not.

1463
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,080
Do that.
Let's let's with 7.

1464
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:13,560
Or. 8 Again, especially if if
you're not using.

1465
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,080
Because season 1 was 8.
Yeah.

1466
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,680
The Season 7.
Yeah, make season B6.

1467
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,720
No, let's do 7. 2 episodes.
Per day.

1468
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,680
Yeah, but then we got to see.
What's going to happen after day

1469
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:34,240
three?
That'll be it'll be two.

1470
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:43,080
Episodes of day three, OK and
Convergence will be probably

1471
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:48,840
episode 6 of season 3, OK.
That can work the.

1472
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,360
Beginning.
Maybe the beginning of that

1473
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:56,880
episode will be the end of this
season finale.

1474
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:01,640
OK, so.
We don't know if they're doing a

1475
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,960
season 4, so most likely they
will wrap up.

1476
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:08,960
Either in.
Season 3 or if they get renewed

1477
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,800
for season 4?
Season 4, because I do remember

1478
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,960
them saying that they were not
going to extend the show past

1479
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,400
what the game does.
So they're not going to add the

1480
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,320
story.
They're not going to add, you

1481
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,760
know, any of that leaks have
come out about.

1482
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,920
The Last of Us 3.
The game.

1483
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:30,520
Oh is there?
Oh.

1484
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,440
Oh, OK.
Yeah, I.

1485
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:36,720
Don't know.
I don't know how valid the leaks

1486
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:42,080
are or how certain people are,
but there's rumors that there's

1487
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:49,160
there's going to be a Vasbus 3,
OK, And it's it's going to be

1488
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,640
Ellie is evolved.
OK.

1489
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,840
And it's going to be.
About some new characters stuck

1490
01:26:56,840 --> 01:26:59,280
in the Manor house.
Oh, OK.

1491
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:01,880
That's all the leak.
Was OK.

1492
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:06,560
OK for the leak that I read.
OK.

1493
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:09,280
No confirmation.
Just just to.

1494
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,840
Oh, OK.
OK, so.

1495
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,720
How are we feeling about?
Season 2 overall, because I know

1496
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,160
you struggled with it, you felt
like it lagged in, in a lot of

1497
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:26,920
places it it was.
Up and down and very, very much

1498
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:30,560
like.
Very much like Wheel of.

1499
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,200
Time.
As I said, there was a moment

1500
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:38,280
when I realized that you can't
make this LE, you can't compare

1501
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,560
this Ellie with the game Ellie
because they're they're very

1502
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,200
different.
Unless you realize that this is

1503
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,960
really about breaking.
It's really obvious now about

1504
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,360
breaking the cycle of violence
that she's trying to get away

1505
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,760
from me.
And, and going back to what GAIL

1506
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,480
said, she's not on the path that
Joel put her on.

1507
01:27:57,480 --> 01:27:58,920
He didn't put her on this.
Path.

1508
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,240
She's on the whole separate path
of her own.

1509
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:04,800
And when you look.
At it like that, it makes sense.

1510
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:09,240
And actually in retrospect, this
is it's really not that bad of a

1511
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,360
season.
I mean, there's some things I

1512
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:18,240
can nitpick about just internal
consistency of the characters.

1513
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,760
Some of the.
Choices the characters made

1514
01:28:22,440 --> 01:28:25,080
just.
Once you get past that.

1515
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:30,120
It actually wasn't bad, the last
few episodes kind of made-up for

1516
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:31,720
for it.
OK, OK, cool.

1517
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,560
All right, Yeah.
I, I, I actually, I enjoyed it

1518
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,360
and I, I think because I can
look at it from a perspective of

1519
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:46,280
not having expectations from the
video game, I can probably enjoy

1520
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,680
it a little bit more because I'm
not constantly comparing.

1521
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:55,040
So there were things I think
they did very well this season.

1522
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:59,200
Again, I think see episode 6 was
my favorite out of the whole

1523
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:04,160
season, if not the entire show.
Just that little background of

1524
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:07,600
Ellie and Joel's relationship
and how it hit its peak and then

1525
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:10,440
kind of how things deteriorated
from there.

1526
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:15,400
Just the emotion and everything
with those characters.

1527
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:20,840
I I loved that episode.
I feel like.

1528
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,760
We were just getting to know
Jesse and then we lost him.

1529
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:26,960
So I'm a little bit sad about
that fact.

1530
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,400
But again, I think we talked
about it a few episodes ago.

1531
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,800
I was expecting either him or
Dina to die.

1532
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:38,720
I'm glad it wasn't Dina, but I
am sad that it is Jesse because

1533
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:42,800
I think if his character stuck
around a little bit more, I

1534
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,960
would have liked his character
even more.

1535
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:49,360
But he, he wasn't one of those
characters were all like, OK, I,

1536
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,160
I, I loved his character and I'm
sad to see him go.

1537
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:58,680
But yeah, I I thoroughly enjoyed
this season and I hope.

1538
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:06,120
We don't have to wait.
Too long for Season 3, so, but

1539
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,800
there will be other
opportunities to talk about this

1540
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,680
show.
We will be doing a Last of Us

1541
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:18,800
panel at ATL Comic Convention,
which is I think the third

1542
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,440
weekend in July.
So we are doing that panel.

1543
01:30:22,440 --> 01:30:27,440
I will actually be appearing on
another podcast this week, the

1544
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:32,160
MCU's Bleeding Edge Podcast to
talk about The Last of Us.

1545
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:37,400
So that will come up and then we
are going to try to record our

1546
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:42,440
Season 2 Gamer episode like we
did last season.

1547
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:46,200
What we did was we have a few
gamer friends who have played

1548
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,280
the games and also watched the
show.

1549
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:53,080
So that particular episode will
focus on comparisons between the

1550
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:54,920
game and the show and how people
like it.

1551
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:59,160
So we're going to try to have
same people on from last season

1552
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,400
for this season.
We'll try to record that next

1553
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,760
week.
And then we will be taking an

1554
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:08,840
extended hiatus because I will
be going on a cruise to

1555
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:12,720
celebrate my 50th birthday.
I think Anthony and Michelle are

1556
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,960
going out of town for a little
bit and then Mike is still

1557
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,800
recovering from his surgery.
So by the time I get back from

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my cruise, everyone should be
present and able to record.

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So we are going to finish out
with our.

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Final Wheel of Time.
Episodes because that show got

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cancelled so we'll do the last
three episodes for those and I

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01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:42,120
think we're going to do a second
Thunderbolts episode now that

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01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:48,560
Mike will be back so we can get
his and then we'll be talking

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01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,000
about some other shows.
Iron Heart is getting ready to

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01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,640
come out we'll cover that and
then like I said we have ATL

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01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,680
Comic Convention that is coming
up.

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01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,600
Dragon Kind is coming up so we
got to do some prep for that.

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01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,880
Michelle and I will be talking
about Blood of Blood of My

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01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,280
Blood, which is the Outlander
prequel.

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01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:09,280
It premieres in early August.
So that's kind of where our

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01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:13,640
summer is going.
So for now, that's it for The

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01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,480
Last of Us and that is it for
our show.

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01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:20,160
You can find us online at
www.phantomhybrid.com.

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01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,320
We are on social media on a
whole, the social media at

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01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,440
Phantom Hybrid.
You can chat with us on our

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01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:27,760
Discord channel, you can watch
our videos on our YouTube

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01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,760
channel, and you can listen to
us on all major podcast

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01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,040
streaming platforms.
Thanks for listening.

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01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:34,880
We hope you join the
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