The Last of Us Season 2 (Gamer Chat) - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #360

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah, and as you can

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tell by our screen, we are doing
things a little bit differently.

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Today we are talking The Last of
Us, but this is the Season 2

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Gamer Edition and we have some
special guests with us today.

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Of course, everyone knows
Anthony, but for those of you

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who did not catch our Season 1
Gamer episode and are unfamiliar

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with the other three, we are
going to let you guys introduce

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yourselves.
We're going to start with Mr.

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Carlos I.
I'm Carlos Rodriguez and I've

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been gaming all my life.
You sound like you're a A.

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Hi, I'm Carlos.
I'm a gamer.

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Been.
Gaming all my life.

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I'm addicted.
Hello, Carlos.

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Hi, Carlos.
Ben, how about you?

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Hi everybody, I'm Ben.
I am a casual gamer.

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I grew up watching my brothers
play and then when my I didn't

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live with my brothers, I had to
play the games myself.

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If if Ben is a casual gamer then
that means I don't even touch

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video games.
No, no, I I think you still play

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a little bit more than me.
OK.

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And Jason?
What's up everybody, it's Your

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boy, AKA The friend, Live with
Dread Head and the Brain to

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Popcorn podcast.
I'm back.

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I love Miss Hancock.
I can't wait to talk with all

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these lovely people about hey,
because I want to hear.

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I need to hear thoughts.
I I need to hear thoughts.

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All right, let's get this show
started.

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I'm going to start with
something funny.

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So few days ago, I get a text
from Carlos, who is driving in

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his car.
And which which episode were you

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listening to?
Were you listening to our finale

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episode or were you listening to
the one before that?

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Think it was the one before
that.

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Yeah, maybe the Carlo sends me a
text message and it says, I just

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want you to know I missed my
exit because I'm yelling at the

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radio.
I'm yelling at you going no, no,

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no, Hanukkah.
So what were you fussing at me

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about?
You know, as as as, as Lincoln

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says, you're giving the writers
way too much credit.

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OK.
You're giving them way too much

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credit.
Like the last.

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Oh, man, Let me tell you
something.

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I got thoughts, OK.
Because like, the first season,

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like, it was so good and so
perfect.

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And it was just like, they
captured the essence of the

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video game.
What made the video game good

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and like the story here has I
got I don't know, I don't feel

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the same way.
I don't I don't feel the same

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way this time.
OK, you know, first, one of the

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things that like really upsets
me is they nerfed Ellie.

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Yes.
OK they they completely nerfed

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Ellie.
Why is Ellie dumb?

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She's not dumb in the game.
No, she she's quick witted,

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she's sharp.
Right doesn't know how to read a

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map.
What why is Jesse telling Ellie?

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Oh, I didn't expect you to
figure.

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So what do you mean you didn't
expect Ellie to figure things

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out?
Ellie knows how to walk cross

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country all all by herself.
Why, why am I looking at Ellie's

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room and there's rifles all over
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They say, who is this person?
I I don't understand.

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And you know, there's like in in
this portion of the game,

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there's like 4 people in this,
in this in this story that are

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one man armies, OK?
I mean, the, the, the literal

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definition of, oh, you brought
10 people.

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You didn't bring enough, OK.
And that was that was like, you

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know, it's Joel, Tommy, Abby and
Ellie, OK?

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Ellie's a mass murderer in the
in, in in the game, OK.

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And doesn't usually feel that
bad about it until, you know,

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until, you know, she
accidentally or killed.

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When she killed, like, you know,
the pregnant young lady.

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No.
No.

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Yeah.
All right, then she was feeling

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like, a little bit bad.
You saw a little bit of

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humanity.
But well, in the show, well, in

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the show itself, just like
touching on that real quick.

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She knew that she was pregnant
before she killed her in the

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show, but in the game she did
not at all.

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No, I don't think she knew she
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I don't.
Her intent was not to kill her.

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Mel happened to catch a stray
when it went through Owen's

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neck.
That's right.

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They did do it differently
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They did do it differently.
Ellie in this in this season is

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so accident prone, like she's
accidentally killing people and

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you know, unable, unable to deal
with it.

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And you know, they completely
they completely nerfed her.

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But you know what?
You know what upsets me?

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Because they also nerfed Bella
Ramsey.

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OK, because Bella Ramsey already
has experience playing

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characters that are bigger than
her.

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Yeah, we saw.
I don't know if y'all saw Game

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of Thrones, but she could
command a room at 11 years old.

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At 11 years old.
So you it's not that

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unbelievable if they just left
Ellie's character alone Like

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Ellie.
Ellie in the game can take on

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people twice her size in hand in
in hand to hand combat if she

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needed to.
So it, it is so weird that they

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went, they went with this choice
of just, you know, and, and like

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Dina, Ellie, they have way less
experience in the TV show than

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they do in the game, because
Ellie is has already a lot of

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experience doing patrols by the
time we get to her in the game.

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All right, Like she's been
killing.

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She's been killing zombies all
over the place.

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Right, it wasn't her first.
Time it wasn't her first time,

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like she's already has like a
lot of experience and they just

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really like made made Dina and
Ellie like less experienced than

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than they like they almost
needed the men.

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I mean, think about it all right
in the game, who goes out on

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patrol?
It was it was Tommy and Joel.

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They went out on patrol
together.

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And in the and in the game, it
was it was Dina and Joel.

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All right.
And Ellie and Jesse.

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Oh, in the show, Yeah.
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In the show, you know, so that
they switched up who was going

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as if Ellie and Dina can't
handle themselves, that was.

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That was like, well, I think, I
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whole, they changed the whole,
well, they gave it a plot line,

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the whole Eugene thing, like his
stuff.

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Because if Ellie and Dina had
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they would have gone to Eugene's
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It would have been that, right?
They would have they cause Dina

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knew about.
But they took that out.

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They did something with Eugene
like a stuff and Eugene died of

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natural causes in the game so.
Yes, he died of natural causes

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in the game.
OK, OK.

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So that was a little confusing.
I felt like it was unnecessarily

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aggressive to especially also to
make Joel the one who did that

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and the whole way that it went
down especially, it just didn't

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happen in the game like that or
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So that was weird.
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Forgot about Eugene's character.
Eugene was just there for a

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little while.
OK, yeah.

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I think I read something
because, OK, I'm, I'm the one

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person on this on this show who
has not played the game, so I

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don't have a lot of knowledge
about it.

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So I think, you know, Carlos, I,
I understand your frustration,

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but I think you're, you're also
valid because I'm, I'm looking

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at things without the, the
knowledge or the taint of the

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game.
So I can look at things with a

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different perspective and, you
know, kind of be a little bit

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more forgiving of some of the
things that the characters are

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doing because I don't have this,
this preconceived idea of who

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this character is supposed to
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You know, So I, I don't have
those things.

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And I mean, I, I understand how
that is because, you know, most

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of the stuff that I read has
been turned into adaptations.

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And it, it's hard when you're
familiar with the work and then

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you see what they've done.
It's very, very hard not to say,

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well, that's not how they did it
in the book and that's not how

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they did it.
But being able to watch it and,

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and find out things afterwards I
think gives it a just a

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different feel for me.
So yeah.

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But even even for me though,
like I can put the game stuff

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aside and just look at it as a
character.

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The.
Character.

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Yes I can.
The character characters have to

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be internally consistent and
these characters were not

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consistent, not just over the
two seasons, they just weren't

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consistent within this season.
Like the stuff, even the stuff

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that makes Ellie different.
Show Ellie and video game Ellie

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are two different people.
So the problem with show Ellie

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is, even just looking at the
show, she spent however many

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months with Joel crossing the
country and you can't tell me

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that he didn't teach her
anything.

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No way.
Yeah.

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Absolutely no sense because I
think I've said this before in

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the in the previous show that
even if he was just looking at

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her as cargo, if he doesn't
teach any teach her anything,

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she's a liability and dead
weight.

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So he has to teach her how to
scout.

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He has to teach her how to be
sneaky.

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He has to teach her how to read
a map, how to sneak up on

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people, how to crawl in the
small spaces to help him make

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sure there are no clickers in
these buildings because they

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couldn't have been outside the
whole time, right?

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They still had to scavenge for
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He didn't teach her anything,
and now she gets her Jags and

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all of a sudden she didn't know
how to read a map.

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She didn't know how to pack for
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She didn't know how to do
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I just don't.
That's just not consistent with

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Joel.
And that's not consistent with

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her even within the confines of
the show because that that

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doesn't make sense.
I'm just saying, yeah.

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Well, I understand that and you
and I had a lengthy discussion

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about this when we talked about
this season finale.

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So Jason, let's get some of your
thoughts.

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How how are you feeling about
season 2 in relation to what the

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second game game play was?
So for me, you know, I came into

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this show, I came into this
season, I'm like, oh, I'm pretty

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sure the, the, the, the
reactions are going to be just

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like the games they're remixed.
Some people are going to really

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like it.
Some people are going to like,

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it's OK.
Some people are just going to

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hate it.
Me like game wise, I was on the

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on the ones that saying that it
was the game was great with

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greater gameplay and a far more
complex story.

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So that's why I gave this praise
and I see where people come from

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and it's kind of like with this
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I still feel like this show is
still like writing wise writing

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wise directing like all of that.
I still say it's still it's not

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at the first season level, but
it's still like it's still like

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a notch for Lloyd because if I
can take it away from the game

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because like, I, I don't know
who who has said about Ellie's

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character, about how she would
not how she would know these

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things because of Joel.
And I'm like, yeah, I thought

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she was like, yeah, yeah, right.
But then when we got those

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intimate episodes between Joel
and Ellie, this Joel, he seen

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Moore trying to keep her inside
of Jackson that she really

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didn't want.
Like he like he probably taught,

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he taught her bare minimum
because he didn't want her going

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out there, because he didn't
want to lose her because we saw

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what he did at the end of the
first season to, to, to get her

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back.
So like, that's why I'm, I'm

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really, really that upset.
I see people's problems with it,

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but for me it wasn't a problem
because I feel like even then

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the writing, it's still like it
made some type of sense to me.

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And as far as people, a lot of
people talk about Ellie's

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character show Ellie and guitar
game Ellie are different.

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And I think because in the show
from I think if with the amount

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of episodes we got and how much
we had to cover, it would be

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hard to put video game Ellie in
because video game Ellie, like

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since you play as Ellie, of
course you're going to be a

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badass.
Of course you're going to be

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shoot and kill everybody.
But but in the show, even though

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it's still about, you know,
zombies, it it made it more

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grounded to her character.
And like I said, within the

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show's confines, I like, I can
still rock with it because the

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like, the one thing I like is
the dialogue between characters.

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Like honestly, in the first
episode, I don't know, second

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episode when they when they
killed off Joel, I was more sad

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than I was playing the game
because I got to spend way much

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more time with Joel at the very
beginning.

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As far as you get these scenes
in the middle and end of in the

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end of the game.
So it makes no sense.

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But here it's all compact.
You see that he's a like, like

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he's a uncle.
He like he's a loving uncle,

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he's a loving father for Ellie.
He's back with his, with his

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brother Tommy.
So you get to, you know, spend a

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little bit of time with him,
more time with them.

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And then when that scene
happens, it it hits even harder

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and, and it hurts.
And I, I just like, I think one

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thing I do want to praise is
just just like the first season.

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I like what Craig Mazing them do
as far as directing and how they

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angle their shots and how the
lighting because I think it all

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fits perfectly with this.
Well, that's why I really like

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Chernobyl because of how it was
filmed and the lighting like in

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some of these scenes and how the
setting look.

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So I'm still in love with the
visuals.

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You know, the CGI can look very
smooth.

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Sometimes it looks like it look
like a Lego background,

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sometimes from a distance I saw
a few.

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Scenes.
Like.

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That I didn't notice that, so
I'm good.

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But like I said, it was it was
nice like like from just for

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somebody who was a writer
themselves, like who wants to be

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in this industry?
Like it makes me like, you know,

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it makes me remember why I like
things like this.

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It doesn't always have to be
about at night non-stop action

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and just like shock value or
sometimes the intimate moments

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in movies be the some of the
best parts.

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And I feel like in this show, a
lot of the intimate scenes are,

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are some of the better scenes
even over some of the action,

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which there's a lot of good
action in the in the show.

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But yeah, like, that's just my
overall thoughts about it.

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OK.
I have a question for Jason.

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Yes.
Being a writer, having done the

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play the video game and watch
the show.

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Oh, Oh, yeah.
Can you see how they maybe made

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a choice?
That a choice that having Abby

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be a monster, not Abby.
That Ali is a she's basically a

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monster in the game.
She's she's a horrifying monster

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because she kills everything.
You can't necessarily write that

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as your main character in the TV
show, can you?

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No, because that's where the
problem is, because when you do

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that in the video game, it's
different because it's action

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oriented.
So you get like 1/5 a 5 to 15

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minutes.
No, no, I say a 5 to 10 minutes

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cutscene and then it's an hour
to an hour to it, almost two

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hours of gameplay.
So there's not really time for

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them for the character to
actually feel like a human and

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not John Wick.
And that makes sense.

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Yeah, and you know, I was going
to say as a as a show person and

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not the game person, I also kind
of felt like that in in looking

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at how they approach Ellie's
character because kind of

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similar to what Anthony just
said, I feel like when it's a

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video game, you're looking at it
as one it it's not real, it's

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fictional.
It's and most of it is animated.

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So these are, you know,
characters that you can kind of

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in your mind say, OK, these
characters aren't real.

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So if they do all of this
outlandish stuff, oh, OK, it's

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no big deal.
It's a game.

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However, when you're looking at
it through the lens of watching

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a show, I feel like because you
are dealing with real people,

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even though they're playing
fictional characters, I feel

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like you attach yourself more to
their emotions.

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You attach yourself more to to
their actions and, and let's be

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honest, it's not a good look for
someone to be off killing

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everything.
And we're just like, yes, yes,

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you can do it.
Do it with no consequences.

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We don't care.
I I think there's a little bit

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of a balance that writers have
to think like, OK, we don't want

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people to look at this and say,
OK, yeah, this is totally OK for

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you to do it.
Because unfortunately we know

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that there are people in this
world who look at fiction and

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they're like, Oh yeah, they did
that.

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So I can do that.
But you know, I, I think it's, I

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think it was interesting that
they put a, a bit more of a, a

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humanity spin on her character.
Because I think Anthony and I

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discussed this when we were
talking about the finale,

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because Anthony had problems
with a, a lot of season 2 up

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until the later episodes.
And, you know, we talked about

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the episode where we're
introduced to Joe's father, and

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we see kind of him trying to
break that cycle of violence

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within their family.
And then we learned that Joel

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and Ellie had this conversation
the night before he died, also

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about breaking these cycles of
violence.

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And, you know, it kind of seems
like Ellie, maybe because of

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what happened to Joel and
because she knew what happened,

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you know, automatically assume
that this was the result of what

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he did.
So maybe she's making different

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choices so that she doesn't end
up like him.

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You know, I I thought that was
very interesting.

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But there are times like if you
listen to the show at all this

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season, I'm sitting there like,
I want to see Tommy.

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I want to see the the bad ass.
I'm about to kill everybody

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Tommy that everybody keeps
talking about.

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But I also realized that might
not be very healthy for me even.

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Because of look in in in the
game, yeah, I ain't gonna live

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after playing the game, you see
something stand the town do like

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oh, I need to take a shower.
I feel I feel dirty because

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honestly now one thing I will
say they toned down Joe's death

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because honestly, I was I was
going into the show thinking,

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oh, I'm about I'm about to have
Walking Dead all over again.

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Ain't no.
OK, you had Glenn.

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You were expecting some Glenn
vibes.

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Yeah, because yeah, 'cause let's
just say Abby hit a lot of

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holding ones that day with
Joel's head.

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Yeah, yeah.
I don't think I would have been

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able to watch that.
I mean, watching that episode

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was hard enough as it was.
You can't do Pedro like that.

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Yeah, I was and.
It was a little bit merciful

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here.
Yeah, like, oh, at least you're

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just going for the leg.
Oh, but but also, I want to give

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a shout out to the visual
effects department because that

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3D model, it looked really good.
I like, oh, that must be a Pedro

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dumb like, Oh no.
Really good or really bad now?

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Like like for me, it actually
looked like like it didn't look

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fake.
Like a lot a lot of things I see

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like the it'll be either a dummy
from a distance or it's just you

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can tell that it's CGI.
But I'm glad that it was

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practical effects used.
Right.

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Because it, it really, really
did look like him.

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It was a very good likeness.
I was, I was thinking about an

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interview his sister did on a
red carpet somewhere.

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And she was like, you know,
being his sister, you know, I, I

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know that these things are
coming and whatever she's like,

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but I'm so sick of watching my
brother die.

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She was like, I just can't do it
anymore.

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She said she watched it on the
last bus and she threw her iPad

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across the room and she was
like, no, I can't do this

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anymore.
Because he died.

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In Game of Thrones.
Also, he died in Buffy the van.

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Yeah, he's like, he's like the
modern day Sean Bean.

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Yeah, right.
Wait, didn't he die in Gladiator

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2 as well?
Yes, he did.

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Yes, he did.
A very glorious death.

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But yeah, it was kind of like, I
was literally sitting in the

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movie theater watching this.
I was like, OK, so I'm not going

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to have to watch him die once
this year.

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I'm going to have to watch it
twice, OK?

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Y'all got to stop doing this to
me, but yeah, I but y'all are

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giving me hope because, you
know, he's playing a character

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that I really hate and you know
Reed Richards, he's playing Reed

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Richards and I would just love
it if Reed.

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Richards died.
Just love it.

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I would just love it.
So hopefully we have this

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pattern and I'll be very happy.
Now, we've already seen Reed

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Richards die once.
If he was going to do that, he

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should have been the Reed
Richards and multiverse of Man.

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OK, Ben, let's get your
thoughts.

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Oh.
My God, my thoughts.

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OK, so like I I didn't enjoy
this season and I loved the last

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season.
It was kind of crazy because

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Carlos kind of, I felt, I feel
thinks the same as I do.

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I'm still trying to pinpoint
exactly why, but it just doesn't

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feel like the first season at
all either.

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I felt like I was pretty open
the first season for different

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things, new elements.
I understand that the physical

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conflict is going to be like a
lot less and I had no problems

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with that.
I loved all the changes, mostly

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that they made in like the first
season.

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But this season I had a huge
problem with the characters and

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how some of them decided they
wanted to portray this because I

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just feel like it wasn't
faithful to the to the video

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game character.
And obvious like Abby or Ellie I

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should say.
What other characters did you

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have issues with?
Well, no, I I mean like those

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are definitely the two main
ones, but it's more like also

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like their relationships between
each other to like a stuff.

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I don't know why the video, not
the video game.

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The show made such a big deal of
Dina and Joel's relationship.

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It was almost a little weird,
like his stuff like he really

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loved her like a daughter and it
kind of like in the show and it

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kind of just didn't make sense.
Like obviously, like, you know,

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he's got like, you know, like in
the game, you know, he considers

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her like a neighbor and a close
friend like and stuff.

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But like in the show, it
definitely felt like they were a

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lot closer than they were in the
game.

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And it was it was kind of weird
because it kind of felt they

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were trying to make Dina's
character more.

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I don't know if Lovables the
worth that I want to use in the

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beginning.
Like it's stuff that I felt like

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they wanted you to warm up
really quick to her and they

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kind of just forced her into
situations.

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I really like Dina and Deanna's
character a lot.

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I just felt like it was also
weird.

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Like her relationship with Ellie
is so much more in your face in

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the show.
And not that it's not present

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throughout the game like at all
or anything, but it's kind of

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weird their relationship going
on during all of this.

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Like, it's stuff like in the
game, it's definitely like, hey,

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this is all going on.
You know, it's nice to have you

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like with me like during this,
like a stuff, but it's not all

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these really.
It's not CW.

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Lovey W CS there's there's a
little romance like and stuff

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obviously, but it's not all
these lovey dovey CS and it's

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just it's just kind of weird for
the situation they're in at the

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moment.
Yeah, Yeah.

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I think, I think we all agreed
on that or Anthony and I did

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because it was, it was the.
Whole I love you after the

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serenade didn't happen in the
game and it was just really

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weird how it came out in the
show like.

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Yeah.
Yeah, even like when she told

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her she was pregnant in the
show, she's like, oh, I'm going

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to be a dad because of the
games.

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Like she.
Was angry.

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Fuck, she was upset.
Like what are you doing?

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Like you're messing this up.
You know, yeah.

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It I feel like it's really funny
because I feel like Bella

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Ramsey's portrayal of Ellie has
is almost like Bella yells when

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Ellie in the game does not yell.
And it's kind of like also like

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vice versa.
Cuz like I noticed Bella Ramsey

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00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,680
yells in a lot of situations
where Ellie was actually pretty

447
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,880
like even toned about it.
She was upset and angry and

448
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,280
stuff, but it was kind of more
like a cold rage instead of in

449
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,160
this explosive force.
Cuz I don't know, Bella just

450
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,280
kind of seems like a little bit
more childish than Ellie is in

451
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,960
the game.
Like his stuff with how she

452
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,600
manages that kind of emotion
because it's always exploding.

453
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,320
And yes, Ellie does explode in
the game sometimes, but she's a

454
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,680
lot more level, especially with
like the people that she cares

455
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,040
about.
Like she's not doing all this

456
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,320
yelling to Jesse and Dina like
she does in the show.

457
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,960
OK.
So it's those kind of things

458
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,840
that kind of just like these
aren't the characters I know.

459
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:51,920
OK, so, and I kind of look at
that as one of the things that I

460
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,280
noticed about Ellie's character
or that I try to, you know, kind

461
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,840
of think about when I think
about Ellie's character, is

462
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,320
remembering that she didn't grow
up normally like most of the

463
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,800
other kids.
You know, she grew up kind of

464
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:12,240
isolated and, you know, treated
not necessarily special, but she

465
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,760
knew she was different.
Maybe she didn't know why until

466
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,720
she was older, but she was
different.

467
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,280
Marlene treated her different
because that, you know, Marlene

468
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,040
had the sense of, oh, this girl
may be a cure.

469
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:28,760
She may be able to, you know, do
something about this later on in

470
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,480
her life.
So she was isolated from other

471
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,280
kids, if I'm not mistaken, if I
remember from season 1, she was

472
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,000
isolated from a lot of kids.
She was isolated from a lot of

473
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,840
people, and she wasn't really
given a chance to kind of be a

474
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,720
child.
And I think that's one of the

475
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,880
things that they showed us in
the show, like with Joel doing

476
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,560
the things that he did for her,
maybe as Anthony said, not

477
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,760
teaching her, you know, how to
be bad ass number one when it

478
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,200
comes to survival skills.
I think the show was trying to

479
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,520
show him giving her some grace
as far as let me let her be a

480
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,720
child, at least right now while
we're in this community, while

481
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,960
we're somewhat safe, let me
allow her this little bit.

482
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,280
And I think for her emotionally,
I don't think she knows how to

483
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,880
deal with that.
You know, she she's not used to

484
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,960
people treating her special in
that sense.

485
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,240
She's not used to anyone showing
her love.

486
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,920
She's not used to anyone being
considerate of her in that way.

487
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,080
And I think when she when she
acts out, I think she does it

488
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,840
kind of out of fear, kind of out
of self sabotage, kind of like,

489
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,720
OK, well these people are going
to leave me.

490
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,040
And I think she just really
doesn't understand, again, like

491
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,240
social cue, she doesn't
understand how to deal with

492
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,600
people, how to deal with people
correctly.

493
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,400
And I just think that comes
across and I think she does that

494
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,000
really well.
Bella Ramsey does.

495
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,160
I think they do that really well
when portraying the character.

496
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,280
I just think, again, sometimes
our expectations of what the

497
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,880
character should be doing,
especially, oh, she's 19, she

498
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,560
should know better, but how no
one's really ever been around to

499
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,080
teach her.
Like, this is how you respond to

500
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,920
certain events.
This is how you respond to

501
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,040
certain things.
And I just don't think she

502
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,240
understands that.
You know you're giving the

503
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,600
writers too much credit.
You are.

504
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,040
Wouldn't.
You are because they're, they're

505
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:35,680
uh.
Oh, oh, he was.

506
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,640
Thinking a lot of the the
dissonance between.

507
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,320
You keep freezing, that's why
we're laughing at you.

508
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,320
I know, I know, I can't help it.
I don't know.

509
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,400
I'm just, I'm just electrified
like that.

510
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,920
The business between the
character Ellie and the show in

511
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,200
the game, I think a lot of the
problems with the shows revolve

512
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,200
around how they wrote the
character, how they changed the

513
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,880
character fundamentally.
Like is literally supposed to be

514
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,960
a revenge season.
Like she's supposed to be on

515
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,520
this revenge toward this thing.
She's supposed to be hunting

516
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,160
these people down.
And that's what I was excited

517
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,880
about, even though I wanted
this.

518
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,160
Every episode would be a
different character being

519
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,880
haunted down.
That's about her.

520
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,840
That would have been much more
compelling than what we got in,

521
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,440
in my opinion, video game or
not.

522
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,160
Like, why do we like shows like
The Blacklist?

523
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,160
Raymond Redington is a monster,
but he's so charming, you know,

524
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,720
And I kind of would like to have
sort of had that with Ellie and

525
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,720
Miss because I don't know, it
just it was too much CW and not

526
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,440
enough, you know?
John Wick.

527
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,600
John Wick Exactly.
But I do have a question for it

528
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,760
for y'all.
Were there anything, were there

529
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,800
any moments that were faithful
to the game that you thought

530
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,080
were faithful to the game?
And what were some of the stand

531
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:12,560
out unfaithful moments?
Oh, OK, so one of the things

532
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,280
that I, and I'm starting to
realize now that I now that I

533
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,560
saw the whole season, I
understand why they did it.

534
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,160
But, you know, we went through a
long time without knowing why

535
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,720
Abby killed Joel.
They pretty much told us the

536
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,160
first, the first episode, why
Abby killed Joel.

537
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,840
And I don't know.
For me, for me, that kind of

538
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,520
that kind of changes the impact
of the story.

539
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,600
Now it's still kind of wound up,
I guess close to being the same

540
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,840
anyway.
Because the only reason why I

541
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,320
knew that the season 2 of The
Last of Us came out was everyone

542
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,200
was reacting the way that they
did when they were gamers.

543
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,920
When the gamers reacted, I was
like, oh, it's out.

544
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,440
Because I was what?
How everyone was saying, oh, I

545
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,920
can't believe this bee.
And then I was like, yeah, that

546
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,280
was the same.
That was the same reaction.

547
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,920
Everyone like hated Abby.
Like we hated Abby.

548
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,120
OK, When we started taking
control of Abby, I don't know

549
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,040
about you guys.
I threw her off a Cliff a couple

550
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,520
times.
All right, I let her get.

551
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,360
Eaten.
A couple of times, you know,

552
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,400
like I was like, yeah, that's
revenge.

553
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,680
I I got revenge on for Joel
several times when I was when I

554
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,440
was playing as when I was
playing as Abby, and so that you

555
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,120
know, one the the level of the
of that, that reaction, you

556
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,360
know, so like I didn't like it
that they reveal it in the

557
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,680
beginning, but I guess the
reaction still stayed the same.

558
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:49,480
Everyone like hating Abby B For
the most part, the show did go

559
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,720
did pretty much follow what the
game was doing.

560
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:59,280
My issue was always was just the
characterizations of of Ellie

561
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,840
that was just getting him.
But it really did follow the

562
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,040
game a lot, a lot of the way it
really it really did.

563
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:11,560
But I think it was just missing
the same impact because I think

564
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,520
the storytelling, I feel like
the storytelling kind of changed

565
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,560
because without Abby, the
overall effect is not, it's just

566
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,040
not the same.
Like I really missed having Abby

567
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,240
and seeing and seeing Abby.
But I realized now that I guess

568
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,280
they just didn't have time
because they were, you know,

569
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,280
that's why they split it into
two seasons.

570
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,480
I don't know, for me, it would
have been better to have waited

571
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,920
and, and see the entire story.
It would have been better for me

572
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,040
that way because it'll be
interesting to see how people

573
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:49,560
feel about Abby at the end of
season 3 because, you know, and

574
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,120
it's kind of hard to talk about
it because we don't want to do

575
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,480
any spoilers.
Spoilers.

576
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,520
Yeah, we don't want to do any
spoilers even though they might

577
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,840
change them, but you know, they
did follow the game.

578
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,400
The Eugene thing was different.
I didn't I didn't hate the

579
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,440
Eugene part.
I mean, it was Joey Pants.

580
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,360
I I I'd like to just say that I
thought the Eugene part was

581
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,600
fine.
Dina's and Ally's relationship

582
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,719
really like solid and
establishes itself in Jackson

583
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,560
before they go to Seattle and I
think I like that better because

584
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,480
their relationship was less of a
of a distraction.

585
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,280
By the time they got to Seattle
they were already established.

586
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,880
They were already boyfriend and
girlfriend by the time they got

587
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,760
on the road.
One of the other changes was

588
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,120
that Ellie and Dina had to sneak
out of Jackson.

589
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,040
That didn't happen in the game.
What happened in the game was

590
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:52,560
Tommy went and and and started
hunting Abby down and Maria sent

591
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,480
Ellie and Dina to go to go get
her go get Tommy back.

592
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,880
OK, so so Maria actually sent
Ellie and Dina to go to go get

593
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,360
him back.
OK, That's that was kind of

594
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,960
opposite in this one in the
show.

595
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,640
It was like the complete it's
the complete opposite in this

596
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,120
one.
OK, so.

597
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,560
OK, the.
Museum what?

598
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,920
The museum was.
The museum scene was really

599
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,800
good, really amazing.
Yeah, I love.

600
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,400
Pretty much almost one for one.
I love that scene.

601
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,040
It was it was so well done.
And just again, for me, I, you

602
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,760
know, I have a a soft spot for
Ellie because she grew up

603
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,680
without having to, you know,
without being able to experience

604
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,960
even what normal kids in that
type of environment, you know,

605
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,560
experience.
So just to see her walk in and

606
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,360
the joy on her face and
basically acting like a child

607
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,520
for the first time that we see
at all in this show, I loved it.

608
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,720
So yeah.
What about you, Jason?

609
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,880
Wait.
Ask question again.

610
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,600
Was there was there anything
that you found particularly

611
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,120
faithful to the game in the show
and was there any stand out

612
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,680
thing that was and faithful?
To the cell, like Carlos said, I

613
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,240
mean they they were pretty
faithful with with most of it.

614
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,840
I would say like with the like
with the major part they were

615
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,920
faithful like except for the
Tommy thing.

616
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,680
But then, but like I said, I'm
probably like I'm popular

617
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,800
opinion, some of the changes
that they made, it's like I like

618
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,520
it because it it makes sense.
And for one, I'm glad they put

619
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Ellie.
I'm glad they put Abby in front

620
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,920
of like like her reasoning for
killing Joel, because now

621
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,400
everybody like now everybody,
hey, Abby and everybody feeling

622
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,440
sorry for Joel.
I'm be honest with you.

623
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,320
When I played the game and Joel
got killed, I like you know

624
00:36:53,320 --> 00:37:00,080
what, fair enough, fair enough.
I like because I had to think

625
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,440
about all the times I brutally
killed somebody said, yeah, that

626
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,680
could be somebody, Daddy.
That that, that, that could have

627
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,440
been somebody.
Daddy.

628
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,120
That and then and like like I
said, I think I said this in in

629
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:17,600
the first in the in the first
show we did in the hospital, the

630
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,240
two nurses, I kill them every
time.

631
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,440
I didn't know that you you.
Didn't know that.

632
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,240
I didn't know that I had a
choice.

633
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,960
I, I I just I did.
Too I, I thought like I had to

634
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,680
kill.
Them then.

635
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,000
So then when Jordan?
Wait, I popped them all three.

636
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,680
So then when Joel, you know,
when Joe got turned into a

637
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,360
pincushion, I said, you know
what, that.

638
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,040
So disrespectful.
I don't even think Joel would be

639
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,400
surprised how he died.
I'm pretty sure this is pretty

640
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,120
much what he expected.
And you know what?

641
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,640
And I felt that way in the show,
like when she made him realize

642
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,360
who she was.
I I think that in his mind, he

643
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,320
was like, oh, OK, yeah, this is.
Going to happen someday.

644
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,280
Yeah.
That's good, because that was

645
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,320
going to be my next question.
How did the show handle Joel's

646
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,360
legacy and impact compared to
the game?

647
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,400
Like like I said, for me, I
think that it impacted it

648
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,000
impacted me more just because I
spent a whole lot more time with

649
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,200
Joel instead of times when I get
it into some action and then

650
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,280
then I then I see Joel.
I'm like, bro, bro, y'all had to

651
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,920
put this, this flashback right
here.

652
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,720
Like I was on the roll.
I I was on a roll killing

653
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,000
people.
They, they, you just want to

654
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,640
ruin the fun.
But OK.

655
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:41,840
But here, you know, we establish
a we, we establish the type of

656
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,080
the type of man that Joel is at
this point.

657
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:49,000
They, they it I like how they
changed time because even in the

658
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,280
game, I was yelling at time like
you, you know, you got a family,

659
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,360
right?
Like you, like, you know, they

660
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,520
need you, right.
So I'm glad in the show, the one

661
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,480
thing that they did add that I
like was the attack on Jackson.

662
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,160
Oh yes.
Because like right when there

663
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,760
when he thought that he was
going to die and she thought

664
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,560
that and vice versa.
I'll like this gives him a this

665
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,360
gives him a reason for him to
stay.

666
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,560
Like how I wanted it to be in
the game.

667
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:24,440
So I'm glad that they reversed
it because like I said, Tommy,

668
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,000
the way that Joel talked Tommy
up to be that he was that that

669
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,360
he was that he was not the one
to make a decision like that.

670
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,000
So that's why I like I'm glad
that they fixed that one thing

671
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,560
that always bugged me about
Tommy, and also he made a lot of

672
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,400
missions, a lot of so much
longer.

673
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,560
Some of the missions it became
so much longer because of Tommy.

674
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,640
So I'm glad that they I'm glad
that they fixed this because

675
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,080
that was out of my like the
small gripes I have throughout

676
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,600
the game.
My biggest gripe was Tommy

677
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,360
because I would like that black.
I would like that black person

678
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:02,960
yell at the screen.
I like why?

679
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,320
Why?
So.

680
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,560
So is that that big clicker
attack that happened to Jackson?

681
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Does that not happen in the
game?

682
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,280
No, I wish.
I wish you did.

683
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:19,000
I wish you did.
OK, yeah, those, the large scale

684
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,680
clicker attacks that they do in
this show are so ridiculously

685
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,800
scary.
Like, it's one thing knowing

686
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,800
because I mean, even just the
way that they brought them out

687
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,880
in this episode, because you
have Abby, who's supposed to be

688
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,600
on watch.
She sees these two people,

689
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,560
doesn't know who they are,
doesn't know what they're

690
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,800
capable of.
But you decide you going to take

691
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,880
your little bitty self down the
hill and and confront them, do

692
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,080
whatever.
I don't know, when she started

693
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,840
stepping and she saw the bodies,
I was like, oh, this is not

694
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,160
good.
You might want to go back up

695
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,160
that hill, girl.
And when they start coming out

696
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,120
like my, I have goosebumps now.
Because literally watching those

697
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,120
clickers had the same effect as
we did.

698
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,160
When we saw that bloater come
out of the ground in the first

699
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,800
season, I was so scared.
I was like, OK, you know what?

700
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,120
If that's coming towards me, I
understand.

701
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,960
We have a game plan.
Y'all are going to the roof,

702
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,080
y'all are going to the basement,
blah, blah, blah.

703
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,280
Me, I'm not that.
I'm not that brave.

704
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,360
I'm just going to sit there and
just just let it be over with

705
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,200
very quickly.
Because that was a lot like

706
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:37,080
hundreds, if not if not 1000.
Do you know, like do you want to

707
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,680
know what it kind of remind me
of?

708
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,560
It's going to sound weird, but
if you watch Lord of the Rings,

709
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,440
the two towers, like the siege
on the castle, it kind of, it

710
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,680
kind of felt like that because
it really did feel like there

711
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,200
was no like this was going to be
a losing, a losing battle.

712
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,320
Yeah.
So like, come on, watch.

713
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,960
Like, why does it, why does this
seem feel familiar?

714
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,760
And then we're like, oh, yeah.
Lord of the Rings like the like

715
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,680
the attack on the castle.
I was looking at them running

716
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,160
towards those walls and I was
like, well, I guess most of

717
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:14,080
Jackson is about to die.
They were prepared.

718
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,400
They were prepared, Yes, they
had a plan.

719
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,360
The end.
And that is the one thing I'm

720
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,840
I'm so glad that we see because
sometimes when you're watching,

721
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,160
when you're watching properties
that have to deal with zombies

722
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,520
and stuff, especially for a big
group like that, they're not

723
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,960
always that coordinated.
They're not always that well

724
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,120
planned.
Like you always had this one

725
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,400
group who doesn't want to do
what everybody else is doing.

726
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,240
But that's the one thing about
Jackson likes that town is a

727
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,120
community.
And they all stepped up except

728
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,360
for those 2 little cowards that
ran out.

729
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,640
But you know what?
Because you have hundreds of

730
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,040
these things and all you got is
a flamethrower and you see

731
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,400
people dying, right, left.
You might get scared.

732
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,200
You might decide to turn back.
I mean, we don't know.

733
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,760
Maybe they were turning back to
get a better position.

734
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,520
We don't know.
I know I'm giving them too much.

735
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,600
I think they.
Should show better people for

736
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,240
the jobs I'm.
Just saying that that scene was

737
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:22,480
spectacular though I and and for
it to be playing as we're

738
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,960
watching what's going on with
Joel, I was just like, OK, y'all

739
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,760
are so wrong for this episode,
but whatever.

740
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,440
Joe's death happening so quickly
in the season, was that

741
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,240
something that you expected or
was that something you thought

742
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,120
would happen later on in the
season and did that change how

743
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,400
you felt about it?
Oh, that was like they they kind

744
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,360
of runtime wiser, probably like
the same amount of time or

745
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,720
whether they kill him in the
game it was.

746
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,280
About the same point.
OK, Yeah, yeah.

747
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,680
Because like, if you don't know
what the theme of the of this

748
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,160
season is going to be by now, I,
I, I don't know what to tell

749
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:05,000
you.
Yeah, I still feel like people

750
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,600
will miss it though, because I I
still feel like they didn't do

751
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,080
without Abby.
The the theme is deluded, I

752
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,840
think.
I don't know for me, because I

753
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:20,280
like I said, those, those extra
scenes to me, I feel like I feel

754
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,480
like people are going to cling
on to that revenge thing, but I

755
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,640
but honestly, my thing, I feel
like the theme is learn to like

756
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,680
learn to let go and live,
because a lot of these scenes

757
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,520
show that these people have
some, a lot to live for.

758
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,480
Like I think that's why they
fast tracked Ellie and and and

759
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,760
Dina.
Well, first of all, I just

760
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,920
looked at how they were doing
pacing this.

761
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,360
I don't know how they're going
to do this all in another

762
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,840
season.
It's going to have to this

763
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,680
talent could be 3 different
seasons because of how long the

764
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,800
game is.
So I I like how they actually

765
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,920
gave people like gave like
everybody, like, you know, a

766
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,640
stake and like what to what to
lose and like what, what and

767
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,000
like what like is it worth
bounding out what's to lose and

768
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,000
what's the gain?
So I really think they did a

769
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,640
good job with that and made, to
me, it made the theme of letting

770
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,000
go more clear than it did in the
game.

771
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,400
Yeah, see, I thought maybe like
towards the end of this season,

772
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,600
I realized that the way they are
were writing Ellie's character,

773
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,360
they were trying to go to the
breaking the cycle of violence

774
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,080
route.
Like everything was telling her

775
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,600
to turn back, turn back.
You know, you don't have to do

776
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,680
it.
It's it's done with.

777
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,240
It ended with Joel, Joel's
death.

778
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,960
Just stop.
Which is different from the game

779
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,840
because I feel like the game was
pushing her to do the revenge,

780
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:49,360
to go on the revenge.
But like, that's just, I feel

781
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,760
like that's just the way that
the game's formatted because

782
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,360
because you, I, I don't think it
would play well in the show

783
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,560
because for one, you would have
to fast track a lot of things

784
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,640
and spend a lot less time on
some of those intimate moments,

785
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,440
which for this show for like for
what they were trying to do,

786
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,240
they need these intimate
moments.

787
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,080
Yeah, then we did get bits and
pieces like Nora we got.

788
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:19,800
That I was like because of that
first I would go like Dang LA

789
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,960
ruthless enough and I said, oh,
you look familiar.

790
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:28,080
Oh, she getting that pipe.
Oh, she getting that pipe oh.

791
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,400
Yeah.
Oh damn boy, turn your legs in

792
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,080
the wishbones.
Please turn it on.

793
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,000
And then you saw it again when
she saw the whale and the wheel,

794
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,640
and then she flipped it on
again.

795
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,520
Oh yeah.
So they they they were trying to

796
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,800
give us a little bit of, of that
game LE.

797
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,640
Yeah, right there.
Yes, there.

798
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,280
I I saw a little bit there.
I was like, oh, there she is.

799
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,560
Yeah.
And I was just kind of wondering

800
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,240
again, from from a, a show only
viewpoint, like I know enough

801
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,200
about the game to know what to
expect.

802
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,520
So I kind of figured once the
second episode happened and then

803
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,480
3-4 came and we saw nothing of
Ellie.

804
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,680
I mean of Abby, just, you know,
Ellie's searching for her.

805
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,560
I was like, oh, OK, they're
either going to wait and give us

806
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,200
give us her in the last episode,
or they're going to give it to

807
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,360
us in the third season.
Because I knew that at some

808
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,280
point once Joe dies, you turn
around, you play the game is

809
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640
happy.
And I just kind of felt like,

810
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,080
OK, so they're showing us
everything from Ellie's point of

811
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,440
view to get us to kind, you
know, kind of be on her side.

812
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,960
Oh, yeah, this chick came in,
she killed Joe.

813
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,560
We're outraged, blah, blah blah,
but it's similar to what we

814
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,280
talked about when we're
discussing The Walking Dead with

815
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,200
the whole Negan versus Rick
thing.

816
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,120
It's like if we had started
following the character Megan

817
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,320
from the Here's Megan episode
with his wife at the start of

818
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,120
the zombie apocalypse going to
when he and Rick's group meet.

819
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,240
What?
We feel more sympathy towards

820
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:02,480
Megan as opposed to Rick because
let's be honest, we've had this

821
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,280
conversation, you know, Rick's
group kind of came in and killed

822
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:11,040
a whole bunch of Nigga's people,
you know, unprovoked for them at

823
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,640
least.
So it was kind of interesting

824
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,480
because I'm like, OK, they're
they're giving us Ellie's point

825
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,760
of view and then they're going
to give us Abby's.

826
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,840
And now, you know, with Season
3, we know they're going to be

827
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,080
following Abby.
We know that they're going to

828
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,320
use the same Seattle day one,
day 2, day three format that

829
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,240
they did with Ellie.
But I feel like the show, again,

830
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:39,480
is maybe trying to get the
viewers more emotionally

831
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,640
involved with the characters
because of the changes that we

832
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,840
saw with Ellie this season.
I think they're going to do the

833
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,520
same thing with Abby.
It's like, OK, yeah, we hate her

834
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,120
because she killed Joel, but
let's try to see if we can get

835
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,880
you guys to soften towards her.
We're going to show you what her

836
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,320
days are like after this
happens.

837
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,320
And I just feel like that's how
they're going to try to draw us

838
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,480
in to make us be like, OK, well,
maybe Abby's not as bad.

839
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,440
Because like Jason said, when
you think about it, OK, you went

840
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,680
in there, you shot up a hospital
and you killed her dad because

841
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,400
you didn't want to let this
child go.

842
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Yes, I I understand that part.
But when you think about it, in

843
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,320
those times, Abby had every
reason to go and do what she did

844
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,320
to Joe.
But of course, because we like

845
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,400
the character, we spent time
with that character, we feel we

846
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,360
feel more of the outrage because
of that.

847
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:36,800
So, yeah, I just, the the whole
Abby thing, it's like I was

848
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,200
sitting, I won't necessarily say
on pins and needles the entire

849
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,600
season, but it's almost like
you're waiting for her to come

850
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,560
around the corner.
But I feel like if they had done

851
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,760
that, you know, included her
more in the in the second

852
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,360
season, we probably would have
seen more of that video game

853
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,360
version of Ellie.
You know, I think it would have

854
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,720
been more of a cat and mouse
game at that point.

855
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,240
So.
And while you mentioned Abby's

856
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:10,080
side gamers, were you happy that
you didn't have to see Alice

857
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,400
this time?
You remember Alice?

858
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:18,840
Alice, give me a quick refresh.
Alice is Abby's dog.

859
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,440
Oh.
Stop it.

860
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,320
Wait, I was so happy with not to
see.

861
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,360
You talked about the dogs last
time too, didn't?

862
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,640
We we can't.
Remember.

863
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,600
What's the deal with the dogs
because they didn't show the dog

864
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:35,640
in?
In this.

865
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,720
In this season, yeah, I.
Don't know but were y'all?

866
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,720
Happy too, not to see Alice.
I was happy not to see Alice.

867
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,400
Didn't we see her though?
No no, I was rewatching the game

868
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,360
recently so it's a little.
Yeah, that happened.

869
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,560
I had to stop playing the game
because I started confusing the

870
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,720
game with the with the with the
the show.

871
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,360
But I don't know, I was relieved
not to see not to see Alice,

872
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,040
Right.
OK, So is Alice some something I

873
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,560
should be worried about?
She's a good girl.

874
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:08,880
Alice is a good girl, She.
Was a good girl.

875
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,200
No, she still is she?
Still is, still is.

876
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,200
So I also have a question for
the game as to do y'all really

877
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,800
think they're going to be able
to fit the the whole this is

878
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,520
even like halfway through the
game?

879
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,520
Do you think they can fit I've.
Been wondering.

880
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,080
I've been wondering how they're
going.

881
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,720
To I really think I really think
that they were only given two

882
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:34,800
seasons, but I think if the but
I think if the next season does

883
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,840
better, I think they will
actually renew it.

884
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,640
But then again, I feel like with
what they put in in that later

885
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,600
half, which is more action
oriented.

886
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,320
Now that now I think about it,
it's kind of is more action

887
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,960
oriented than the than the first
than the first half of it, like

888
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,120
the first half, the first
quarter of the game, because if

889
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,720
I'm not mistaken, this is
literally like only two or

890
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:58,360
three, three to four hours into
the game.

891
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,080
No, not even not even because
the game is 40 hours.

892
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,560
So this this like a small
portion.

893
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,600
Yes, the game is 40 hours.
The game The game is 40 hours

894
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,160
and.
Is Abby section more action

895
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,360
oriented?
Yeah, Abby section more action.

896
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,280
Actually, I don't think it is
because what they did was they

897
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,080
take out a lot of the action.
Well, right, Well, no.

898
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,360
So I think it's a lot it's but
you might be right, it's a lot

899
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,640
less action.
But compared to Abby's portion

900
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,960
of the game, it is more on a
grander scale.

901
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:37,680
Like a lot of the action set
pieces are are low.

902
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:43,280
My like gravatized then then
Ellie seems because Ellie seems

903
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:49,080
it's just more of her being
Jason with the wig on.

904
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,120
Right.
I see what you're saying because

905
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,400
Abby, Abby is in the middle of
that of the war with the with

906
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,440
the Seraphites.
Yeah.

907
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,240
So it and other.
Yeah, so that's so too.

908
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,040
So that's why I say I really
think that they're going that

909
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,920
they're just putting all of
Abby's stuff in that second

910
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,960
season because they know that
this will get people wanting to

911
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,000
watch the show more.
And it'll also give the the

912
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:23,360
it'll give HBO like confidence
that they can, that they can put

913
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,920
on a strong third and probably
final season.

914
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,040
And then who knows, maybe
hopefully within this amount of

915
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,680
time frame, Neil Drucken be
like, you know what?

916
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,040
I'm going to do another game.
Know what?

917
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,400
We were talking about that.
We already got the rumors.

918
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,720
There's recent rumors right now.
Anthony told us about some

919
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:47,160
rumors and I looked him up and
it's like people have been

920
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,560
talking about it the last few
days.

921
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,720
I'm just saying like, you know,
maybe that in my perfect world,

922
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,560
that that's how I see.
That's how I see.

923
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:01,320
OK, do you think 7 episodes was
enough to tell the story that

924
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,200
they told this season or do you
think they should have?

925
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,760
Because I don't know why they
they gave us only 7 episodes.

926
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,320
Last season What season was was
it 8?

927
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,960
Or Oh no, I think last season
might have been 9.

928
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,880
Although I.
Can Fact Check it real quick.

929
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,960
Yeah, it was more than this
season.

930
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,840
Yeah, it was definitely more.
And I, I, I kind of feel they

931
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,040
shortchanged this in that way
because I did feel like there

932
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,240
could have been a little more
story told.

933
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:35,960
And you know, I, I've heard, or
I think I've read 1 potential

934
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,840
synopsis for next season.
I do know that we probably will

935
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,760
be seeing Joel again because
they are going to do some

936
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,880
flashback stuff.
I know that we're supposed to

937
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,320
get some Tommy and Jesse sings,
which if I'm not mistaken, I've,

938
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,720
I've read that just was kind of
a tertiary character in the

939
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:56,240
game.
He didn't really have a lot to

940
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:57,440
do.
So they kind of flesh his

941
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,240
character out more for the show.
But I hear we're going to get

942
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:02,840
some of that.
Of course, we're going to get

943
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,120
the Abby stuff.
We're probably going to see

944
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,520
Owen, Mel and Nora again.
Because if they're doing the

945
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,200
Abby, you know, day one, day 2,
day three, we have to figure out

946
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,200
what happened with them to kind
of get them where they were.

947
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,080
Because, you know, Mel and Owen,
we're kind of arguing with each

948
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,120
other about whether they should
go to Abby or not, you know,

949
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,280
for, for whatever reason.
So I'm, I'm sure they're going

950
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,800
to show us those reasons.
But I did feel like there should

951
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,160
have been a little bit more in
the season, but that they

952
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,880
couldn't get to it because it
was only 7 episodes.

953
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,240
And I don't know what they're
doing for season 3, but it's

954
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,800
like we, we complain about this
all the time on the show.

955
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Stop giving us these short ass
seasons.

956
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,760
You know, six hours is not
enough to tell a full story.

957
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,440
I get I'm practically like I
agree with it because of how

958
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,960
they paste it and where where
the stopping point was because

959
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,800
like I said, I was like, this
isn't even halfway through the

960
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,600
like most of this show was like
like the follow second season,

961
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,440
not even halfway, barely 1/4 way
through the game.

962
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,400
So it made sense.
Like I saw this being 7 and then

963
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,920
plus the way how things ended
and like and like people

964
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,360
expectation.
I feel like they want to leave

965
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,720
it right here at cliffhanger.
I thought they were going to

966
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,680
leave it somewhere else.
Honestly, I I I I thought it was

967
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,880
going to be a certain scene
where I where I was just like,

968
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:36,920
damn, that was that was quick.
But but when they end here,

969
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,360
like, you know what, that kind
of makes sense because it's a

970
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,600
Moat.
It's a like, it's an, it's an

971
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,160
emotional weight behind that
because you're going to really,

972
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,400
because then you're going to be
thinking like, damn, what's Abby

973
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,520
going to do when she figures
this out?

974
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,640
So I think it was smart.
I think like writing wise, smart

975
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,960
money wise, even smarter because
why not?

976
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,520
So.
OK, what's the thing that you

977
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,080
hated the most about the season
as a gamer?

978
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,880
They got hated the most.
That was a game that look, I

979
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,680
just wanted to see somebody blow
up, OK, because by that time I'm

980
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,520
blowing I'm blowing a lot of
people up and I also want to see

981
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,200
somebody blow it.
It was the first few of them

982
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,400
were very chain to what I did
within the first three hours of

983
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,440
the game.
I was over.

984
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:36,040
I was going to see some.
I am violent, but I I guess also

985
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,680
one thing I didn't like was like
how the how they doing Jesse

986
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,800
even like Jesse, whatever, But I
I do feel like they should have

987
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,040
probably did more scenes with
Jesse because when they rebuild

988
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,840
that bombshell, if I was just
somebody just watching the show,

989
00:57:53,840 --> 00:58:01,040
like girl, you a hoe, you a hoe.
But but but in the game, they

990
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,680
let it be known.
Yeah, Jesse and and Dina had a

991
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,360
thing, but we watching the show
like wait, so where are you

992
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,360
fucking off at?
Because they made it seem like

993
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,240
her and Ellie were always
together in the show.

994
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,480
So you got to think like, when
do you have time to to be with

995
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Jesse?
In the show, they made it a

996
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,360
little bit more.
Because in the show it was like

997
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,560
3 months later, yeah, before
they had that meeting, like his

998
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:31,680
stuff.
And I think that they were

999
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,760
implying that Dina's got with
him during that period of time.

1000
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,440
Yeah, because remember in the
show, Ellie was in the hospital

1001
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,280
for a large.
Amount of time.

1002
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,440
No, because even at the
beginning it was.

1003
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,520
It was already established that
Dana and Jesse had been together

1004
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,920
and then they kind of broke up.
And then, you know, when when

1005
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,440
they're on their way to Seattle,
she says something to to Dina.

1006
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,480
She was like, well, you could
just get back with Jesse.

1007
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,280
She was like, I already did.
Because at that point, Dina is

1008
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,680
kind of denying what she feels
for Ellie or she's kind of,

1009
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:13,520
she's testing the waters out to
see how Ellie feels and.

1010
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,560
Yeah, so it's like I.
Think if anything, you would

1011
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:22,960
probably think that more of
Jesse because she had Dina only

1012
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,680
had a crush on Ellie, but Jesse
sat there and and made the

1013
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,040
admission to Ellie.
Yeah, there was this girl who

1014
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,920
came with that group from
Alberta.

1015
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,840
Best two weeks of my life.
Oh, excuse me, Sir.

1016
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,160
And enough for you to consider
moving to Canada with her.

1017
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,600
Oh, OK.
She lit your ass on fire.

1018
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,720
But I mean, you know, I guess.
It was more, I guess it was just

1019
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,960
more of they were more telling
this showing like they like they

1020
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,880
told about the like, you know,
their past, like at least like

1021
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,360
in the game.
I, I still felt like, oh, OK.

1022
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,400
Like they're like, like, you
know, there was some there with

1023
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:03,960
each other, but they're just
cordial together.

1024
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,400
Like here.
Also, I, I just feel like there

1025
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,680
wasn't really any chemistry
between that, between the Jesse

1026
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,800
actor and Dina.
I honestly, I just, I, I just

1027
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,880
didn't feel it.
But but then again, Dina, also,

1028
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,600
you said that she was testing
the waters.

1029
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,520
I think she dipped her whole
damn leg in that motherfucker

1030
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:29,960
because she she was she, she
was, she was not subtle at all.

1031
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,240
Well, I've I've already just
said.

1032
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,680
Ellie was just stupid.
Very well though, Ellie was.

1033
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:43,480
Ellie was just stupid.
She don't pick up social cues

1034
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,880
very well.
We've already had this

1035
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,800
discussion.
But I think the thing with Jesse

1036
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,000
and Dana, I, I won't say that I
didn't feel chemistry.

1037
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,440
I felt that there was something
there with them.

1038
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,520
But it's, it's kind of the way
he described it to Ellie.

1039
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,480
He said, I love her.
I just don't love her the way

1040
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,760
you love her.
And that's exactly how I felt

1041
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,200
it.
Like I, I felt that he cared

1042
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,560
about her.
I felt that he felt protective

1043
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,960
of her, especially once he
realized that she might be

1044
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,320
pregnant.
Like he really did put on the

1045
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,360
oh, OK, yeah, you can't go
nowhere.

1046
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,160
You need to go sit down.
He pulled that type of behavior.

1047
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,000
But yeah, I didn't read it as,
oh, my God, this is the love of

1048
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,400
my life and how it.
This is going to be awkward.

1049
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,800
Jesse was so chill about the
whole thing.

1050
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,880
He was like, look, I don't love
her the way you love her.

1051
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,480
I see how y'all look at each
other.

1052
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:38,760
I'm, you know, even back in
Jackson after New Year's, when

1053
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,480
when Ellie said something to to
him about the kiss, he was like,

1054
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,600
I don't care.
It's it's fine.

1055
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,200
You know, he was like, I think
it's wrong.

1056
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,880
I, I think it's, you know,
screwed up that you did that,

1057
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,680
but OK, because I think he knew
that that wasn't the person for

1058
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,680
him.
So yeah, it was OK.

1059
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,040
I have another question.
SO was the sudden impact of

1060
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,040
Jesse's death in the game as
impactful as it is in the show?

1061
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,880
It's exactly the same, pretty
much.

1062
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,200
Not have to shoot him in the
face well.

1063
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:13,120
It's.
That.

1064
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,160
But did it.
But did it but didn't feel the

1065
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,640
same because I feel like in the
show they were kind of like

1066
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,040
giving us like a mountain of
Jesse in two episodes.

1067
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:21,480
Yeah.
Well.

1068
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,720
Let's see, the only difference I
think in the game is that Jesse

1069
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,000
is Jesse finds them sooner than
they do in the game than in the

1070
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:38,160
show because they had already.
Let's see what I have in my

1071
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:42,320
notes, OK?
Because in the game they met

1072
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,840
Jesse before they met Nora in
the game at the hospital.

1073
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,000
So Jesse was around for a little
bit longer in the game.

1074
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,440
So he wasn't, but it still
wasn't that much longer.

1075
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,600
Yeah, because they they met him
before.

1076
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,440
Well, yeah, they met him before.
They met Nora in the show, too.

1077
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:02,120
But Dina had taken the arrow to
the leg, so Jesse had to leave

1078
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,360
and take her back to the
theater, and then Ellie

1079
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,960
continued to the hospital
around.

1080
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:08,960
Oh, that's.
How they did it in the show.

1081
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,000
Yeah, yeah, Dina.
Got.

1082
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,400
They're just all little
differences and stuff.

1083
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,520
Yeah, Dina got hurt earlier in
the game.

1084
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,200
So Dina didn't do a lot of
traveling with Ellie in Seattle

1085
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,480
in the game because she had
already got injured and they had

1086
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:24,800
figured out that she was
pregnant.

1087
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,160
So Dina was the guy at the
chair.

1088
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,280
Oh, OK.
OK, she's a good one.

1089
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,320
And she is, because she is very
smart, so.

1090
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:34,480
Oh yeah.
Yeah, she's.

1091
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,040
Not talked about that she she
was like Oracle for Batman.

1092
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:39,520
Right.
Yeah.

1093
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,320
Yeah, but also, I do want to say
one thing.

1094
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,320
I am mad about how they did
things.

1095
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,600
There's one scene with Jesse
because it's it's one.

1096
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,760
It's like the scene, the subway.
It is the most tentful scene

1097
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:57,960
ever because you were surrounded
by by these by these zombies is

1098
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,600
clicking and you having to fight
them off until Jesse saves you.

1099
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,000
Now I'm just like, well, that
can't happen.

1100
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,440
I mean, listen, you know, Jesse
come back from the dead, but I

1101
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,560
don't think you can mend a
bullet to the face.

1102
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,200
I mean, you could try, but I
don't think it's going to

1103
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:14,800
happen.
But I was mad about.

1104
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,400
Us.
They showed us that view of his

1105
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,240
face on purpose because they
wanted us to know he was dead.

1106
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,680
When I watched that and and saw
the face and saw the the bullet

1107
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:30,320
hole and the blunt, I said, oh,
they just Downton Abbey to me,

1108
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,280
because this is the same way
they killed Matthew.

1109
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:38,480
They made sure they we saw his
face, his eyes were opened, the

1110
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,360
blood coming out because they
wanted us to know he dead.

1111
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,440
Dead not.
Coming back from this.

1112
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,960
Yeah, exactly.
I really, I really think Neil

1113
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,600
Druckman just hated Jesse's
character because I'm talking

1114
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,720
about he ain't getting no grand
death.

1115
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,240
He like turned.
He just turned it's.

1116
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:02,160
Almost disrespectful.
I felt very disrespectful, very

1117
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,840
much so.
I was like, hold up.

1118
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,680
Like, first of all, I'm already
mad because it's the one Asian

1119
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,920
character on the show, and then
he goes out the way.

1120
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,600
Yeah, I felt very disrespected,
like justice for Jesse.

1121
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,600
Hopefully we do get him in the
third season because I I think

1122
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,400
the actor who plays him was
great.

1123
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,720
It's like he's one of those
characters where he's not very

1124
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,080
outwardly emotional.
You know, he's very kind of

1125
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,880
droll and very kind of laid
back.

1126
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:39,360
But he communicates everything
he needs to in his, you know, in

1127
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,200
his voice and his facial
expressions.

1128
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,520
It's kind of like you can hear
the little humor.

1129
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,200
You can see the seriousness.
And he doesn't really have to

1130
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,440
change much much.
You just kind of feel that shift

1131
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,240
within his person.
So I hope we get to see more of

1132
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,040
him in the next season.
But what was the other question

1133
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:02,440
I had?
Oh, tell me about the what?

1134
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,240
What do they call them?
The smart, the smart clickers,

1135
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,520
the stalkers.
Stalkers his men was like, Nope,

1136
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,080
don't want to talk about them.
Are they as scary in in the game

1137
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,480
as they are here?
Because that first one, when it

1138
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,000
was stalking Ellie, I was
sitting on the couch with my

1139
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,520
feet up and my knees pulled up.
I was like no, no, no that.

1140
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,560
Was scary.
They're not supposed to do that.

1141
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:33,800
They they do catch you from
behind a lot in the game, like

1142
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,920
you will see them and they will
scatter and then they do like to

1143
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,000
come around and come and get and
try to get you from the back.

1144
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,600
So yeah, you got to watch out
for them.

1145
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:46,720
Luckily, though, a good shotgun
takes them down fast.

1146
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:49,480
I'm.
Wondering how it's going to come

1147
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,480
up later though, because it's
not like it's a plot point or

1148
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,560
anything of the show or of the
game or anything.

1149
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,320
So I'm wondering how they're
going to bring that back in the

1150
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,880
show.
Like what scene is going to be

1151
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,320
very impactful of it?
OK, OK.

1152
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,720
And we see them early in the TV
show.

1153
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:12,280
Like Ellie was not fighting a a
a stalker in during that time.

1154
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:13,920
Ellie would have died in the
supermarket.

1155
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:15,600
Scene.
Yeah.

1156
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:20,840
So yeah, they come, they come in
later in Seattle.

1157
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,960
OK, OK.
Plus.

1158
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,800
There's actually two more two
more types of the of the zombies

1159
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:30,640
that we.
Didn't we?

1160
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,080
Didn't.
Get to see the Shamblers and the

1161
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,280
Rat King.
Yeah, somebody posted a, someone

1162
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:43,200
shared, I guess it was like a
poster of the different clicker

1163
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,640
types.
And I saw this poster and I sent

1164
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,600
it to Anthony and I was like,
Nope, 'cause I was already

1165
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,720
looking at the stalkers like no,
I'm, I'm so sorry because you

1166
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,360
get you get this idea in your
mind.

1167
01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,040
Season 1.
Oh, they can't see, they can

1168
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,880
only hear.
So you got to be quiet.

1169
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,840
These stalkers are like, fuck
you and your silence.

1170
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,520
I'm going to come get you.
And I was just like, no, no, no,

1171
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:17,200
those things, no.
How did you guys feel about the

1172
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,359
introduction of sports?
You know what?

1173
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:23,840
You took my question.
That was literally going to be

1174
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,920
my question.
Word for where we are reading

1175
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,920
each other's minds, Sir.
I was really confused about how

1176
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:33,920
they brought it on only because
like in the game, the way that

1177
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,240
Dina finds out.
Well, one in the game, Ellie

1178
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:42,720
told Dina that she was immune
way before like before any of

1179
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,640
the infection risk.
Like it stopped.

1180
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,920
So Dina did not react the same
way that she did in the show

1181
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,560
like at all.
Because Dina already had that

1182
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,479
piece of information where she
was like, oh you were telling

1183
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:57,399
the truth Like it stopped.
But it was kind of confusing

1184
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:03,160
because the scene in the the
scene in the game, at least mask

1185
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,600
breaks and there were then they
were in sports.

1186
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,760
And and so that's how Dina found
out and she thought she had

1187
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,960
breathed in the spores.
And it was kind of weird because

1188
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:15,200
they didn't do that in the show.
But the very next episode is

1189
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,040
when they decide to introduce
spores.

1190
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,600
So and kind of sports.
Have been there since the

1191
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,120
beginning.
Of the game.

1192
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,560
So we were already used to
spores.

1193
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:30,479
So, you know, they, they just
introduced them later.

1194
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:35,080
So that scene made my skin itch.
Yeah.

1195
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,680
Because I and, and I think if
I'm not mistaken, all of that

1196
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,279
was practical as far as what was
on the walls.

1197
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:46,840
What all of that was practical
wasn't CGI.

1198
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:51,720
Like, they literally went in and
built this and painted it.

1199
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:56,000
And I was just like sitting
there, just skin crawling, like,

1200
01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:00,160
and then she's just walking so
calmly through it.

1201
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,560
And then when she sees the guy
and he's literally breathing the

1202
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,040
spores out at her and she's just
looking like, oh, that's

1203
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:12,520
interesting.
It's like, no, this this show

1204
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,440
has has ways of making your skin
crawl that I didn't think were

1205
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:22,400
possible.
It's just OK, OK.

1206
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,760
Well, you know, my thought was
like, OK, they're all over her

1207
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,360
clothes, so what's going to
happen when she goes back to

1208
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,680
this?
Oh, it's raining.

1209
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,560
She's outside and it's raining.
So we.

1210
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,800
Don't have to everybody give her
her.

1211
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,240
Clothes.
I never think about that.

1212
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,120
Yeah.
Because even with I.

1213
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,280
Think about those things.
She didn't even get, she didn't

1214
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,680
even get a chance to tell them
about that, did she?

1215
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,880
No.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

1216
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,240
Anthony, to reuse your line.
I think you're giving the

1217
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,760
writers too much credit.
I think that rain thing is a

1218
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,880
reach.
I just don't think they thought

1219
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,080
about that.
I'll.

1220
01:10:56,480 --> 01:11:01,600
I'll take that criticism.
Well, to be honest, I mean to be

1221
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,600
honest, like sports, it never
made sense to me in the game

1222
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,080
either because after in the
first, in the.

1223
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:12,600
So if we're going by scientific
logic, the the minute that Ellie

1224
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,560
and Joel would have got out of
the spores and then Joel took

1225
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:20,560
off his mask and Ellie smelled
like funky spores, he would have

1226
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:21,960
breathed.
He would have breathed.

1227
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,360
The virus itself does not make
sense like in the game.

1228
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,520
That's my biggest gripe.
The virus in the game does not

1229
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:34,080
make sense because they they,
they solidified that it's in the

1230
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,720
air.
So it's like, OK, so Dole, so

1231
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,560
Dole just breathing in spore
just just for dookie, right,

1232
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,840
just for dookie dust then he
fine.

1233
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,680
OK, so that's.
Why?

1234
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,280
I liked what they did in the
first season and I was like, oh,

1235
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,360
they changed it, but it makes
sense, so.

1236
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:54,400
Right.
And I was OK to let that go.

1237
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:55,920
So it's kind of weird for it to
come back in.

1238
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,240
I mean, yeah, that's why I I
mean, at that point it was just

1239
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,360
something that was there.
Like I said, they probably

1240
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:04,080
pulled in a curator.
Yama forgot they wrote that

1241
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:05,960
shit.
Say, you know what, we spend

1242
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,240
enough money, just leave the
shit in.

1243
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,280
It ain't that big.
I I thought they just brought

1244
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:15,160
the spores because they needed
to to do the scene from the game

1245
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,240
with Nora so.
Oh yeah, that too.

1246
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,440
They had to have they.
Had to have the spores, you

1247
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:22,400
know?
So that was that was from the

1248
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,640
game as well, the way that she
that whole confrontation

1249
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,960
happened, yeah.
That was pretty close.

1250
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:29,080
Pretty.
Close to that.

1251
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:34,720
OK.
Was there anything that happened

1252
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:39,240
in the game within this confine?
You know, not not talking from

1253
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,440
Abby's point of view, because
we're not going to get to that

1254
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:44,360
yet, but is there anything that
happened in the game that they

1255
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,400
didn't put in the show that you
wish they would have?

1256
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,640
Jason said yes.
Yeah.

1257
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,520
What you could, I mean, you
could tell it I mean.

1258
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,680
Well, I touched on it before.
Spoiler like.

1259
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,200
Well, no, because he.
No, because Jesse did they're.

1260
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:08,640
Going to bring If they're going
to bring him back next season

1261
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:14,440
for flashbacks, it might put.
Because they already said that,

1262
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,280
that they met them at a certain
Jesse met Ellie at a certain

1263
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:18,760
point.
Now that can't happen because

1264
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,400
like I said, Jesse did like he
ain't come back.

1265
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:26,640
So it's a scene in the
neighborhood where Ellie it's

1266
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,600
it's like one of the I'm pretty
sure that the group remember

1267
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:34,840
it's one of the very like the
handful of chases, like runners

1268
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,520
and clickers and stalkers
chasing you.

1269
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,440
It's a scene where you were in
where you were in the car.

1270
01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:44,360
You driving Ellie.
Ellie can't drive for shit.

1271
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,120
I've I've just every every scene
that she drives.

1272
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,880
She just can't drive for shit.
So she crashes the car and the

1273
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,800
car, I think I want to say it's
upside down.

1274
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:59,000
And so you're having to shoot
off zombies that are coming at

1275
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,720
you fast as hell, depending on
what difficulty you are

1276
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,200
crawling, coming through the
sides.

1277
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:05,960
And you feel that anxious
feeling.

1278
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,520
And then Jesse saves you at the
last minute.

1279
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,520
OK.
That can happen because, you

1280
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,880
know, Jesse's the one that need
to save in.

1281
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,640
Neil Druckman hates Jesse.
I really think he does because I

1282
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,320
thought.
Now that you mentioned that that

1283
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,840
scene, I wonder if that's why
they that that must be the

1284
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,600
Easter egg that they put in the
flashback scene when Ellie is

1285
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,760
trying to figure out what Joe
got her and she said, is it a

1286
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,400
convertible?
He was like, what are you going

1287
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,440
to do with a convertible?
Rash that motherfucker.

1288
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,760
What about you, Ben or Carlos?
Was there anything in the in the

1289
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,560
game that they didn't include in
the show that you would have

1290
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,280
liked to have seen?
I think I would have liked to

1291
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,400
have seen, well, because of
Eugene's plot line, it changed

1292
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,600
up a few things.
So I would have liked to seen

1293
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,920
Dina and Ellie have found
Eugene's stash and for it to

1294
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,280
have gone the way it did in the
game.

1295
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,320
Because I feel like the way it
was in the game was very

1296
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:08,880
magical, very great, and it was
a very like they.

1297
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:13,360
Must have got real high.
They got high, they did a bunch

1298
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,400
of stuff like this stuff, but
it's the conversation that

1299
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,080
happened to them.
And it was also the fact that

1300
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,640
Ellie was having such a nice
time before, like while Joel was

1301
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,720
dying, like his stuff.
And I feel like that scene, it

1302
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,040
just felt better to me in the
game, the way they handled that.

1303
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,440
But because of Eugene's whole
one, it didn't go as quite like

1304
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:34,280
the game.
Oh that's how we know.

1305
01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:36,760
I've totally figured.
Eugene is literally the plot

1306
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,480
device for them to get weed.
I forget, I think this is.

1307
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,680
What I've been growing.
I didn't remember Eugene because

1308
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,000
like I don't remember seeing
Eugene physically, but then I'll

1309
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:48,160
but then we brought all like
just.

1310
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,760
Pictured in the game.
Oh, yeah, like, oh, he just had

1311
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,000
weed.
Oh, OK.

1312
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,840
W Eugene, man.
W Eugene.

1313
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:03,080
OK.
So are you guys satisfied with

1314
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:07,440
the way that they're handling
the Abbey part of the story,

1315
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:12,360
like waiting towards the end and
giving us what may possibly be

1316
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,840
an entire season just from her
point of view?

1317
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,560
Or do you feel the way you felt
in the game when you were forced

1318
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,800
to play her?
Like man, if this be I don't, I

1319
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,440
don't, I don't want to know her
story.

1320
01:16:22,440 --> 01:16:23,280
I don't care.
Well.

1321
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,480
It's not going to be the entire
season thankfully.

1322
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:35,040
But no, I think it was probably
right for them to push off her

1323
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,040
her part because I know a lot of
people stopped playing the game

1324
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,440
after Joel died and then you go
immediately into Abby.

1325
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,360
Like my brother stopped playing
the game entirely.

1326
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,240
So they probably maybe wanted to
avoid that.

1327
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:48,760
But I'm down for it.
I'm ready.

1328
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,720
I don't know how other people
will feel for it, but I don't

1329
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,360
hate Abby.
Boo.

1330
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,360
You're wrong, Ben.
You got another answer.

1331
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,480
The stories like if you're,
you're, you're on the right

1332
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:05,040
track earlier.
Yeah, yeah, I, I mean, I'm very

1333
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,040
interested to see it from her
point of view because like I

1334
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,280
said, I understand.
I totally understand why she did

1335
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,160
what she did to Joel if it was
me and that was my dad.

1336
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:19,320
Especially if you don't know the
wise, then yeah, because it's

1337
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,400
kind of like, OK, my dad is a
doctor.

1338
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:25,320
Like who would want to harm one
of the possibly last living

1339
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,040
doctors in in this type of
world?

1340
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,480
Like it makes no sense.
So for her to go and do the

1341
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:34,760
revenge the way she did, I
understand it.

1342
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:41,480
I also, I also feel a little bit
irritated by the way it happened

1343
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:46,600
because when she has the
confrontation with Joel and and

1344
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,800
she, you know, basically it's
like, yeah, you did this da, da,

1345
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,240
da.
And he says, but I just saved

1346
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,560
your life.
And she says, what life?

1347
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,520
And she shoots him.
And it kind of starts that

1348
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,960
thing.
Then you have that same line

1349
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:05,720
repeated later on in the season
when she and Ellie are, you

1350
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,400
know, confronting each other.
She's looking like, I let you go

1351
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,200
and and you wasted it.
And even with Owen, Owen was

1352
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:18,040
like, hey, I was the one that
that that kept you alive,

1353
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,560
remember?
And Ellie is like, but you still

1354
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,440
made me sit there and watch
while she killed my I mean it.

1355
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,960
She's basically inflicting the
same pain.

1356
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,600
You killed my dad.
I'm going to kill yours.

1357
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,720
So yeah, it would make sense
that Ellie comes after you, even

1358
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,120
as it made sense that Abby came
after Joel.

1359
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:40,120
So I'm, I'm curious to see how
that's going to play out because

1360
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:45,960
I think now, especially with
Jesse's death happening in front

1361
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,360
of her, this is not the second
person Ellie has had to watch

1362
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,080
literally die in her face by the
same person.

1363
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:59,640
Whatever Ellie wasn't in season
2 as far as you know, being big

1364
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,360
badass.
I'm on a singular killing spree.

1365
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,120
I have a feeling now we're going
to get it because at this point

1366
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:13,360
she's lost too much now, you
know, But I'm curious to see it.

1367
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:18,640
I and, and the whole thing with
Tommy, I need to see that

1368
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,840
version of Tommy.
I need to see John Wick Tommy.

1369
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,840
I need to see what version of
Tommy had the, the wolves kind

1370
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:28,600
of, you know, pinned down to
where they couldn't go anywhere

1371
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,720
because he was sniping at him.
I need to see that version of

1372
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:37,440
Tommy.
So OK, the Wolves versus the

1373
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:40,160
Sarah fights.
How did you guys feel about the

1374
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,480
way that they put this story in?
Do you feel like we got enough?

1375
01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:45,360
Do you feel like we didn't get
enough?

1376
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,600
What are your thoughts?
Because all of y'all were like

1377
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,840
oh.
I've been just waiting to talk

1378
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:57,480
about Isaac.
Oh, hey, man, shout out to

1379
01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:00,040
Jeffrey Wright.
Man, I'm so glad they got him to

1380
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,360
play Yeah in this show.
No, I like the scene and I like,

1381
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:07,280
I like the new scene that they
added of his origin story of him

1382
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,880
becoming the leader.
Like that's a new scene and I

1383
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,440
really like that, even though
it's messed up as it was, but.

1384
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,840
It's so Isaac, it is so
interesting because when you see

1385
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,560
him, you you can kind of see the
switch.

1386
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,080
You can see that he's kind of
disgusted with the way these

1387
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,480
soldiers are acting with their
mindset.

1388
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,480
And when he turns around and he
just looks at them and throws

1389
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:34,920
the grenade and closes the door,
like there is no expression on

1390
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,360
his face.
And I was like, oh, this is

1391
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:38,840
somebody we don't want to mess
with.

1392
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:43,200
He turned it off next.
Thing you see him literally

1393
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:47,080
talking about cooking and how he
used that to impress girls and

1394
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,640
and with the copper pots and
then you turn around and you see

1395
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,280
what he's I was just like, hold
up.

1396
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,040
This man is so screwed up like I
don't know am I supposed to like

1397
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,760
him?
Am I supposed to not like him?

1398
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:02,960
Am I supposed to be I I still
don't know how I'm supposed to

1399
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,960
feel about his character yet,
But I think that's the one good

1400
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,560
thing about this whole wolves
and seraphites conflict, because

1401
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,160
you see the error on both sides.
So it's kind of like I don't

1402
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,280
want either one of y'all like
y'all can wipe each other out as

1403
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,440
far as I can, you know, care
'cause y'all are crazy.

1404
01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:22,840
All of y'all y'all are crazy.
Like Jesse said, this isn't our

1405
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,520
war.
Right, exactly.

1406
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:31,680
Like, and, and I think trying to
trying to look at it from

1407
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,680
Ellie's point of view, you know,
Ellie is already coming into

1408
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,600
this with prejudice against the
wolves.

1409
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,760
You know, she's coming into
Seattle.

1410
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:41,960
She knows Abby is part of the
wolves.

1411
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,360
This group is, you know, this
group that was there are part of

1412
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:46,680
the wolves.
So she's coming in.

1413
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:48,760
She's saying the dead Sarah
fights in the forest.

1414
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,640
Oh, if that's what the wolves
are capable of, they're bad,

1415
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:53,880
blah, blah, blah.
Then you come in and you see

1416
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,680
what the Sarah fights are
capable of.

1417
01:21:55,680 --> 01:22:01,400
And I'm like, in this instance,
I kind of feel like the whole,

1418
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,840
the, the comment that Isaac said
he was like, I'm not here to

1419
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:09,560
play your chicken, you know,
chicken versus egg.

1420
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,160
Which one came first game?
All y'all crazy all all y'all

1421
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:18,440
just, I, I don't know Tommy just
need to come in and wipe all of

1422
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:23,480
them off so they can go home
They're just but I mean, is it

1423
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:27,320
that crazy in the games like
with them hanging them in the.

1424
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,640
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You looking like you and paying

1425
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:32,760
you like oh.
Yeah, yeah.

1426
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:37,800
Because like, it's kind of out
of favor.

1427
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:42,960
They show a scene of the ACT
happening and I'm just like, oh,

1428
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,920
that looks so painful.
I watched that scene just like

1429
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:50,600
this.
I I don't, I don't do intestines

1430
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,960
and hooks.
Well, that reminds me too much

1431
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,360
of candy, man.
I can't.

1432
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,840
I was watching that scene like,
Nope, Nope.

1433
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,240
That's when I would have turned
around and went home.

1434
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:06,560
You see all these people hanging
with their intestines.

1435
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,240
Out.
You know what?

1436
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,600
I don't need to know nothing
about y'all.

1437
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,760
I don't need to try to save none
of y'all.

1438
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:18,080
I don't need to know who pissed
who off 1st and and why no.

1439
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,680
I think that's right.
I think we introduced the

1440
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,080
certified early, don't they
they?

1441
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,680
Did, yeah.
They did it, yeah, pretty early,

1442
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,800
yes.
Yeah, it was surprising.

1443
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,480
Yeah, I I don't understand when
they first saw those people

1444
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:34,600
hanging with their intestines
out.

1445
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,440
I'm like Hanukkah.
You know what those good.

1446
01:23:38,440 --> 01:23:43,840
Let's go back, right?
You know, there's really nothing

1447
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,000
we can do to help him at this
moment.

1448
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:50,800
And he would be very pissed off
at the fact that he killed 19

1449
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,200
people to save my ass.
And I'm sitting here getting

1450
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:58,280
killed by these people because
they want me to believe in their

1451
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,120
their Oracle, their prophet.
What?

1452
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,360
Yeah, I don't.
I don't need to know what's

1453
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,040
going on between these two
groups.

1454
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,040
But if I see a bunch of people
hanging up with intestines

1455
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,000
hanging out, I don't.
I don't leave this.

1456
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,040
That's right.
And.

1457
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:16,920
Then if that wasn't enough, when
you go through town and you see

1458
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:23,360
a group of them or, or when you
see a group of those same people

1459
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,680
that are just kind of laid there
dead and they're under a

1460
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,360
taunting model, like no, y'all
are too petty for me.

1461
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,800
It's time to go.
It's one thing to be petty and

1462
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,560
trade insults.
Y'all are being petty by trading

1463
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,080
bodies.
You know what?

1464
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:47,920
But it's crazy.
But one thing I do like, like

1465
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:52,840
what what I like about the game
is they I love like the world,

1466
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,760
like the world, like the lore
that you pick up as you going

1467
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,600
along in the game.
So since you're not, you know,

1468
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,800
picking up like reading book
book notes and shit throughout

1469
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,720
the game, they actually have to
give it to you at face value.

1470
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,440
So I do like how they how they
show, well, at least from the

1471
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:10,760
scars or scars, their vice
perspective.

1472
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:15,040
Yeah, these are just actual,
these are just people who found

1473
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:18,600
solace in religion.
That was their way of getting

1474
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,120
through this.
And they're and like, in their

1475
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,400
mind, they're they're still like
a loving community.

1476
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,280
They're just having to protect
their own.

1477
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,760
It's just they are willing to do
whatever is to protect their

1478
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:33,240
own.
So in my like, in my like in my

1479
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,840
mind, it's like they they wanted
to show empathy.

1480
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,160
I don't know why they wanted to
show empathy just towards them,

1481
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,280
but they showed empathy towards
the sacrifice with the little

1482
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,040
girl.
I was surprised.

1483
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,120
I I was shocked.
I saw a dead little girl on

1484
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,120
screen.
They don't normally they try not

1485
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,840
to do that as often, but like
they've, they've gotten very,

1486
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,080
very bold with it over the
years.

1487
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:54,920
So I this.
Is HBO.

1488
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,600
We had Game of Thrones.
Their children are not new to

1489
01:25:58,640 --> 01:25:59,440
them.
Yeah.

1490
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:04,080
So it was like it was nice that
they're building the world and

1491
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,640
they're like they're kind of
giving you the background of

1492
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,760
this war that that we're going
to have to see in in Season 2.

1493
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,960
So I'm excited about that
because like, like like I said,

1494
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,880
the second season is more grand,
like it's more gravitized to it

1495
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:22,760
then is then the then the first
half because there's so much

1496
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,200
conflicts going on at at that
the same time.

1497
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:30,680
But yeah, I really like the
Sarah fights and I still yeah,

1498
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,120
that's uncomfortable to watch.
I don't want, I don't want

1499
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,680
spaghetti no more.
No, no.

1500
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:38,920
Why?
Did you have to say?

1501
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:44,360
That no no no real spoilers but
isn't there another group in the

1502
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:47,480
game too?
In another faction.

1503
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:54,720
I think.
So you know what I could say?

1504
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,280
Yeah, but like I I like I said,
I forgot.

1505
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,760
Yeah, that's the end, end part
of the game.

1506
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,480
Yeah, but like I said, I I
actually forgot about them

1507
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:05,440
because like I said, I only see
one thing when I play that game

1508
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:07,640
that's red.
So I don't know who was the

1509
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,760
Seraphight who, who was WL 11?
I I just, I thought they all

1510
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,040
were the same.
I'm, I'm sorry, Jason.

1511
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,080
Is like dead, dead, dead.
You die and you die.

1512
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,200
He's.
Like he's a hammer and

1513
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,920
everything is a nail, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

1514
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:26,440
Look, look, one time I go quiet.
Why go quiet when I got some

1515
01:27:26,440 --> 01:27:33,800
dynamite in my hands?
No, like in the, like in the

1516
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,960
subway, do you?
Do you remember when the wolves

1517
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,080
were in the subway and in the
sides were the runners and the

1518
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,680
and the and the Clippers all the
way in the subway and you're

1519
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,400
hiding from both of them?
I mean, I took a rock and threw

1520
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:49,640
it right in the.
Middle me too.

1521
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,200
All those clickers came right in
and they were shooting each

1522
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:55,160
other.
They were eating each other.

1523
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,880
It was great.
Well, one time I tried to do

1524
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,600
what you did, but it bounced off
the tip of the subway and

1525
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:08,000
bounced back in.
So question, Jason, you

1526
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:12,480
mentioned, you mentioned
something about Ellie and Jesse

1527
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:16,160
in a subway scene.
Is that was that supposed to be

1528
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,720
the scene that we saw?
No, I'm, I'm saying Ellie and

1529
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,680
Jesse in the car.
Oh, OK, OK.

1530
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,760
Yeah, they were in the car.
OK, OK, OK.

1531
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,880
But yeah, the subway scene was
kind of lackluster because like

1532
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:33,440
I say, in in the in the game,
it's a whole lot more tense.

1533
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,400
Well, because one Dina slow as
shit.

1534
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:38,960
Dina Dina slow as shit.
Oh.

1535
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,400
My God.
Like.

1536
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:43,280
Yeah, Last time I played, Dina
killed me.

1537
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:47,640
I'm like Dina, Wait a minute.
How did she kill?

1538
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,640
Oh, she she killed you or she
got you killed?

1539
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:53,680
Yes.
Got me Killed.

1540
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:54,640
Caught me.
She got me.

1541
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,800
Killed.
Because she wasn't moving fast

1542
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,440
enough.
No she killed me metaphorically

1543
01:28:59,480 --> 01:29:02,320
and physically because I got a
glitch in the game where she was

1544
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,440
supposed to climb over but she
was fucking stuck so I could not

1545
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:09,520
climb over it and I just had 5
clickers just chopped my ass up.

1546
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,160
I was like.
See, I would be mad if I played

1547
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,280
this game.
I was like, you know what?

1548
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,720
No, I'm not.
I quit.

1549
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,960
It it gets very glitchy.
One time I made Joe fly.

1550
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:24,560
I, I don't know how, but he was
just, he was just in the air.

1551
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:28,760
That might have helped him in
episode 2.

1552
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,720
Is there anything that you guys
want to bring up or want to talk

1553
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,440
about before we end this show?
Because I know this this season

1554
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:44,360
had a lot going on and almost
also not quite enough.

1555
01:29:44,440 --> 01:29:47,600
So any any last thoughts from
you guys?

1556
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,920
It's for the gamers.
Are y'all glad y'all didn't have

1557
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,440
to see the tutorial?
Are you just having a snowball

1558
01:29:55,480 --> 01:29:56,920
fight?
Yeah, this is.

1559
01:29:57,480 --> 01:29:59,880
The snowball fight.
I hate the snowball fight.

1560
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,800
Yeah, so in order to get you
used to the mechanics of the

1561
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:08,120
game, they literally just have
you have a snowball fight with

1562
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,280
kids.
It it it was a waste of time.

1563
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,720
Yeah, it.
Was that might have been fun

1564
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,680
before all of the tragedy in
Jackson, like running a.

1565
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,920
Little bit of fun, just.
Playing some snowballs.

1566
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,600
That's when they.
Get attacked by 1000 clickers.

1567
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:28,080
I would have got PTSD of how of
the 15 minutes of my life that I

1568
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,800
had to waste playing that play
in that section.

1569
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:38,400
OK.
Any any any final final

1570
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,320
thoughts, Anthony?
I I have a quick question for

1571
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,600
them.
What are you most excited about

1572
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:49,680
for next season?
What that one thing I'm excited

1573
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:50,800
about, I'm not going to say
that.

1574
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,160
I'm just going to say fire.
That's all I'm going to say.

1575
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:55,280
Fire and water.
I can't wait.

1576
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,200
I can't wait to see that scene.
That yeah, I've been talking

1577
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,360
about that scene.
I've been wondering how it's

1578
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:07,440
going to turn out a certain.
I'm wondering if there's going

1579
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:10,600
to be a certain plot plot line
with the scars.

1580
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:13,560
I can't say any more about it,
but I'm wondering if they're

1581
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,440
going to include that.
I'd be disappointed.

1582
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:20,800
If I'd be disappointed if they
didn't, yeah, we can't really

1583
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:21,960
talk about it next season much
there's.

1584
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:28,320
No spoilers, no spoilers, Last
thing I just got to say, Alice

1585
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:32,920
is a good girl.
OK.

1586
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:37,240
The best girl.
I think we can go ahead and end

1587
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,280
our show.
I want to thank everyone for

1588
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:43,560
coming on and having this very
fun and spirited discussion.

1589
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:48,240
If you are online, tell us where
we can find you.

1590
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:53,840
Let's start with Carlos.
I'm I'm on TikTok Dragonborn

1591
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,800
apostate.
Yeah, go check him out.

1592
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:01,640
He is hilarious, Jason.
Oh well, you can find me on

1593
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:07,560
Facebook, Instagram, I think I
think it's still called X

1594
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,080
whatever it's called.
Find me there.

1595
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,640
Also.
Hey, I'm starting to do shows

1596
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,760
from TikTok now, so you get to
see me on TikTok, find me on

1597
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,600
TikTok friendly neighborhood
dreadhead and then you got my

1598
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:21,440
brand, the popcorn page.
Also on the side.

1599
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:27,400
I love to make fun of megas and
and do talk politics so come

1600
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:28,160
join me.
There.

1601
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:30,600
Oh, you and Carlos will have a
lot of fun together.

1602
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,320
You.
'Cause they have a lot of fun

1603
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,080
together.
You need to check out Dragon.

1604
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,240
The pot state.
Yeah.

1605
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:37,320
Then.
I'm going to give you a follow

1606
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:40,360
up call.
No, you cannot find me online

1607
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,440
just for my friends and family.
OK, well in that case, well,

1608
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,840
you'll just have to come watch
this video to see her lovely

1609
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,400
face and hear her opinions.
Right, this is the only place

1610
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,480
online you will find me we.
Appreciate it.

1611
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:57,120
We thank you so much and I thank
you all for joining us on the

1612
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,440
Phantom Hybrid podcast to talk
about The Last of Us season 2.

1613
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,800
When season 3 comes out, we will
definitely have you back to have

1614
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:10,800
that gamer edition to talk about
the season, but for now, that is

1615
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,960
it for our show.
You can find us online at

1616
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:17,320
www.phantomhybrid.com.
We are on social media on all

1617
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,080
the social media at Phantom
Hybrid.

1618
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,920
You can chat with us on our
Discord channel, you can watch

1619
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,480
our videos on our YouTube
channel, and you can listen to

1620
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:27,040
us on all major podcast
streaming platforms.

1621
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:28,880
Thanks for listening.
We hope you join the

1622
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:30,000
conversation next time.