The Walking Dead: Dead City S1E1 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #246

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Casey and Michelle, and we
are discussing the first episode

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of the new Walking Dead spinoff.
Dead City.

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This is the spinoff that follows
the shenanigans, I guess you

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could say, of Negan and Maggie.
Looks like it's taking place

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several years down the road, and
Casey already has her handle.

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What you got to say, Casey?
Because they said it's not a

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spinoff, it's a continuation of
the story.

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Okay.
It's still to tell you what they

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said.
It said probably no spinoff.

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It's just a continuation,
whatever.

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It's a spinoff.
But, you know, I mean, I get it

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because it does have characters
that stem from the original.

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But I mean, if we call in like,
you know, Feel The Walking Dead,

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a spinoff, and we called World
Beyond a spinoff, even though,

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you know, we didn't see a
familiar character in that one

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until the end of the second
season, it's a spinoff.

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But I get it.
I I mean I get it though I do

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get it because it's the it's
characters from the main show

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like Fear wasn't World Beyond to
Morgan and became the Morgan

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show and then that became you
know a continuation of Morgan

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story.
But here cuz then Darrell's

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would be a continuation too,
correct?

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Not a spin off.
You okay.

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But in TV terms, it's a spinoff.
It's not the.

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So it's a show that stems from
the original show.

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It's a spinoff.
But anyway, semantics aside,

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before we get into the like,
meat and bones of the

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discussion, first thoughts, what
did you guys think about the

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show?
I mean this in the nicest way.

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Maggie need to get over herself
because I'm so.

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Over the angry.
You can't help me.

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I'm don't.
I don't want you don't help me

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with little shit, but come help
me save my son.

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I wish I will leave you here.
But I get it.

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Like we get it.
We get it.

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But if you go on to this man for
help, take the chip off your

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shoulder, even even a little
bit, just just like a tinch.

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Like it's a little bit too much,
You know what I mean?

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Because you asked him for help.
Right.

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It's not like she learned
anything.

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It feels like she hasn't learned
anything or made any adjustments

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from that last episode we saw at
the Commonwealth.

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It's like we're still on the
same shit, but we have had

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discussions and you have time to
process and to make some

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adjustments and changes.
Like you still don't get that.

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If we got to keep telling you
again, when y'all kill other

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people, that is somebody's
family and they can feel the

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same way that you're feeling.
But we got to keep explaining

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that to her.
Everyone else get it now.

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But she has this explain and I
understand because it was

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traumatic.
I get it.

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I got it.
I feel the same way.

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But just like Casey was saying,
but you need his help, so then

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you.
You you you come in for help?

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Yeah.
And you know, I thought about

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that when it first came on too,
because, like you, I was

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thinking about the last
conversation they had in the

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Commonwealth at the end of the
main show where you know, she.

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I mean, think about it.
This is a person that you

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trusted to watch your son while
you tried to go handle business,

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while you tried to go finish
what what was started by the

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with the reefers.
You left your son in his care.

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You told him that you were
starting to trust him.

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You got to the point where you
know, Yeah, you didn't forgive

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him, but you were at least
cordial.

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Y'all knew.
You knew that at on on some

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level, Y'all were on the same
page as far as OK, look, yes, he

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did some shitty things in the
past, but.

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He has done what he needed to do
to save this group of people who

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had every reason to shun him,
who had every reason to hate

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him.
He still did what he needed to

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do to save them for whatever
reason.

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Whether it was his own selfish
purposes, you know, his, you

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know, trying to redeem himself,
or whether it was for him to

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show them that he was
redeemable.

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He was a changed person.
OK, y'all got to this point.

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You have this discussion.
I mean, you basically said,

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look, I can't forget what you
did.

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I can't forgive you.
But I know that you're trying

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for her to go to that, to the
way we see her in this first

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episode.
It was like, what the hell is

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going on?
What has happened over the last

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few years?
But then okay.

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So I've watched this episode
four Times Now because I will

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admit the first episode, the
first time I watched it.

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I don't think I was really
feeling it.

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And it was partly because of of
Maggie, because I was trying to

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figure out like, how is she in
this handspace again.

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But I think I finally get it.
It's like you've gotten to this

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point where this person who
killed your husband, yes, you're

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not forgiving him, but you've
kind of, I won't say made peace

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with it, but you're at an
accepting point.

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You know what I'm saying?
That this person is a person who

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has tried to change, who has
tried to, you know, be a better

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person, who has apologized to
you for what he has done.

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You know what I'm saying?
And and done all of these things

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to make amends.
Then here it is, several years

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later, you get raided.
The person kidnaps your son and

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before they raid you, she hears
the whistle.

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That signified the Saviors, I
think for for her being in that

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position where you, you have a
community, you think you're safe

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and then these people come in,
they take from you, they have

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the same like said, they have
the same modus operandi that the

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Saviors did way back then.
I think it basically just kind

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of triggered a lot of things for
her and then because we don't

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know exactly how the Croat.
And Negan fit at this point

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because all we know is that he
used to be a part of the Saviors

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when Negan was in the, you know,
when Negan was leading the

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Saviors.
We don't know how deep he was

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into that group.
We don't know.

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He could have been one of
Negan's, you know, we we just

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don't know the dynamics yet.
But I think in her mind she's

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probably thinking, okay, you
know what, This person came in

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the same way that you came at
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And I think it just triggers
something for her.

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It's like okay here is another
way where an association with

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you has brought havoc into my
life.

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Like okay I had gotten over or
not not gotten over.

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I had accepted what you had done
to my husband.

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I've kind of sort of, like I
said, made peace with it.

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You, you apologize.
We were on this.

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You know, this this same page
where we were like, OK, you know

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what?
You and I will never be friends,

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we will never be friendly, but
we have an understanding towards

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each other.
OK, now here you are a few years

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later, somebody from your crew
has once again come into my life

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and taken someone from me that I
love.

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And I just think it just at this
point she just pissed like, God

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damn it, can I not get away from
this man and him wreaking havoc

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in my life?
So I can not sort of understand?

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The way that she is, she's just
like pitch.

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She's like okay.
You know what?

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I could have lived the rest of
my life.

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I could have been cool with me
again.

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As far as, you know what he did.
He apologized.

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We're cool.
I.

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Didn't have to deal.
With him.

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And then now all of a sudden I
need him because I need to

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understand who I'm up against
when I try to go save my child.

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So I once I looked at it a
couple of times and I thought

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about like that was like I can
understand how.

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She would be pissed.
And then in this episode, you

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know, we see that she has
nightmares.

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But how many times did you
rewatch this episode to get to

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this point?
Probably probably by the second

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or third time, Correct.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's what I'm saying.
But you know, and and we've

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discussed this before, a lot of
times when we watch something

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for the first time, we're not
really watching it to like.

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Delve deep into it.
You're trying to see what the

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story is that they're presenting
to you first, and they're always

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on the second watch.
Now you can start paying

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attention to the things you
didn't catch the first time

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right.
I still.

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I catch the nuances.
And I I I understand, I I

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totally there still should be
some some character growth in

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that and it hasn't been just
some.

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Yeah, and I get that.
And I mean it.

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It it's.
We're we're we're using.

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We keep rehashing and reusing a
past trauma and saying that is

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the only thing that's pushing
her like it.

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It has to be we have to do
something else.

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We can't just rely on that like
we OK we don't rely on the fact

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that he did this to Glenn, OK we
got this.

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We we already been through this.
For years we have now made

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changes, good or bad, about our
feelings.

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So when we did our panel about
Negan, it's like we're going we

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starting to change our feelings
either one way or the other, or

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make adjustments.
But it hasn't.

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Been there.
I don't even care about the

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whistling.
I know the whistling will bring

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back the memories, but this is
totally different dude here.

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So we got a expectation is
everyone is not like Negan.

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That just means that he was in
Negan's group.

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But we still got to figure out
who this who this person is.

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I was going to call him another
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We will have to figure out who
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And not keep.
Oh, Negan, I hate you, Okay.

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I do hate you.
However, I understand you did

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what you had to do.
We get that.

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But you won't help me with my
son, Okay.

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Because it's one of your people.
So I do need your information,

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your background.
I mean, we don't work together.

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I still don't like you, but we
still don't work together.

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But I'm not going to be seeing
here every few minutes looking

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like I'm about to kill, you
know, that's we passed that

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point now we passed it.
Should be because how old this

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person know what Probably
13/14/15.

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Yeah, I think it's OK.
So I know, Michelle, you weren't

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here for the last few episodes
of Fear The Walking Dead, but

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Casey and I, we we we probably.
Drove this pointed to the ground

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about the fact that The Walking
Dead, I don't know, they did

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good with casting for children
on the main show, but like Fear

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The Walking Dead, the character
of Mo, you can't tell me that

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was a 8 year old child.
Same thing here with Herschel.

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Now, I've seen varying reports
online because everybody's

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trying to figure out where in
the timeline this is.

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Right, so I've seen some people
say that this takes place two

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years after the end of the main
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There is no way in hell because
Herschel does not look like 18

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year old.
On this show, he looks like he's

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got to be somewhere 1416 ish.
You know, I would give him for

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him being the I'd give him being
the boy I'll give him.

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I'll give him 7th, 7th and 8th
grade.

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Yeah, no 7/7.
I don't even give them 12 and 13

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because some of these 12 and 13
year olds look like they 16 and

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then 16 year olds look like they
18 in real life.

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Yeah, but like when I pull up to
when I pulled up, you pull up to

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to one of the middle schools
around here.

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You be like, is that a teacher
or a student?

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I'm confused.
That's true.

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That's true, But you're not
going to tell me that this is

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only two years after?
No, no, no.

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That I can't go for.
Because Herschel in that show

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was only around.
Eight.

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Maybe Now.
Maybe.

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So I I know the boys have their
growth spurts.

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They don't have them that early.
No, they don't.

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No.
So, so this has to be maybe 5-6

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years.
I would, I would say around

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that, maybe somewhere around
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Yeah, and some of the stuff
that's happening, I'm like, this

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has to be a while later.
Because I need to see how the

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Commonwealth plays a part.
Well, see, that's the thing.

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Because I remember towards the
end, Maggie did try to go back

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and rebuild Hilltop.
Now obviously, from what we find

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out in this episode, they
weren't able to make that work,

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so they relocated.
My question is Okay.

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So let's talk about the
logistics of the show.

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Okay.
In comparisons to The Walking

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Dead, since this is a
continuation of the story and

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not a spinoff.
OK, so The Walking Dead

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Alexandria was based in
Virginia.

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We gathered that the
Commonwealth may be around Ohio.

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I think that was what we were
thinking, if I remember

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correctly.
So my question is 1 if you had

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to move the Hilltop from
Virginia.

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How far out did you go?
Like, I don't think like we see

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that the new city here is New
Babylon and that's kind of sort

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of where Maggie's people are in
that area because she went, you

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know, we saw the city marker
when she went to go call when or

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when she shot up the flair for
her person to come and get

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Jenny, who was the girl that
Megan is traveling around with.

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So my question is, what was it
about Hilltop that made the

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Croat?
Come from Manhattan, in the

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state that Manhattan is.
You go to the Hilltop to steal

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their brand.
Like, I understand scavenging,

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but it just kind of puts into
question, where is this, where

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is the new Hilltop located?
And again, if that is the case.

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Why is Maggie so far from her
other people, like we've already

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seen what happened the last time
you just went off and and left

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your people.
You lost so many people who were

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close to you, like your family,
your your closest people to you.

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I just don't see how she would
once again, especially after

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everything they went through
with the reapers and with the

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Commonwealth, how you just going
to go up and relocate.

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Again in another state.
Because again, coming from New

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York to Virginia for some grain,
that just doesn't make sense.

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Right.
And then you're encountering

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another system too, like this is
outside of the Commonwealth with

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it.
They have a whole another system

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with government, with the
sheriff and all that stuff.

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So that's I'm like, what?
OK, that's all I have to say.

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So, and I know it's the first
episode, I know they're they're

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trying to establish the world
and then we'll we'll get deeper

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into it and find out more
information.

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But just from a first watch,
it's kind of like, what the hell

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is going on?
Where is Maggie's new camp

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located?
Why is she so far from her

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people?
Are any of our people still with

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her or did she leave everybody
behind?

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Like, okay, if you're telling me
again?

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That these are the same system,
you know, same community, same

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people, just in a different
location.

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So does that mean that Elijah is
with you?

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Does that mean that Lydia is
with you, will be in this

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series?
You know, I know that those two

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were at the premiere and, you
know, people ask, they were

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like, oh, are they in the show?
And somebody was like, no,

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they're just supporting, But I
was like Lydia and Elijah that

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was.
Lydia was more so, I guess you

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could say Megan's person,
because he kind of took to her,

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protected her, that sort of
thing.

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But by the end of the main
series, she was with Elijah, and

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Elijah was Maggie's person that
was from her community.

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So I would think that if she
moved Hilltop, they would be

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with her.
That's what I would think.

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I don't think they would have
stayed in Commonwealth.

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But then they were all going to
work together though, to rebuild

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these communities.
That's why I was like, OK, I'm

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kind of confused because there's
resources there.

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We've seen the resources.
When you can get an available

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hairpiece at any moment, we
should be able to rebuild a

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community and.
Remember, because even remember

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when up with Lance.
They had brought supplies to

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rebuild.
Because they had the train

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system going and we still don't
know anything about the

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communities that he was getting
that from, which I still suspect

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might be CRM related.
But anyway, so that was my

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question, like why did Maggie
move so far away And then to be

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in this area New Babylon and OK,
let me let me let me say this.

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As far as New Babylon, you know,
we we find out about this city,

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we meet the Marshall for this
city and we kind of hear what

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they're about.
Okay, I'm going to tell you now,

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I am not a fan of Pearly
Armstrong from the From Jump and

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I'm going to tell you why.
So you come into this bar

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looking for Negan and this is
after everything that's happened

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at the beginning, which we're
we're kind of jumping around,

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but you come into this bar
looking for Negan.

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And the way that you come in,
first of all, everybody is

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already on edge.
When you step into the room.

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Then you introduce yourself and
you talk about who you are.

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You're the Marshal of New
Babylon and you're about law and

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order.
Y'all have these different

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rules, and if they don't, follow
the rules.

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They get this certain type of
punishment.

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So for Negan, he's looking for
Negan.

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Negan is a wanted man in this
first episode because supposedly

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he has killed one of the
Marshals and they what?

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What is it that Armstrong says?
He said for this crime he will

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be executed, but not just
executed, he will be hung upside

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down and split from his groin to
his head now.

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I had a whole issue with that
because here you are in a world

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where all the old systems have
pretty much been killed.

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You know, you're having to start
over and this is something that

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we talked about with the
Commonwealth.

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You're bringing back broken
procedures, broken policies to

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fix something.
And it's just like that shit

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didn't work in the old world.
Why are you bringing it back in

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in the new world and not only
bringing it back?

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Notice that when he talked about
Megan and the punishment, he

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didn't say he would be tried.
He didn't say that he would get

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a hearing.
He basically said he killed this

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marshal and this is what we're
going to do to him again.

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Why?
His kind of had a court.

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I mean it.
Was a shitty they did.

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It was unfair.
And if they had to put somebody

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to death, they were going to do
it in a humane way.

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The fact that you were talking
about hanging this man upside

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down and splitting him in half
from growing to head, and you're

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talking about it with not
necessarily a sense of Glee, but

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you are, you are kind of
reveling and telling the people

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this so that they are scared and
they will tell you what you want

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to know.
What type of person gets off on

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that?
Kind of, you know, you are part

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of a broken system because this
is not what law and order should

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be.
And you know, just some of the

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things that he says later on in
the episode when he gets to a

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point where he's he's looking
for Maggie and Negan at because

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they've kidnapped one of his
little sheriff's deputies or

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whatever, whatever you want to
call them.

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And he's trying to convince
Maggie to come out of hiding.

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He was like, miss, let me tell
you who I am.

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My name is Pearly Armstrong.
If you haven't deduced by now,

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I'm a Marshall.
I don't drink.

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I don't.
What do you say I don't drink, I

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don't smoke.
Or, you know, I I follow the

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like.
Basically you're telling us this

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stuff as if to say, oh, I'm a
good person because I don't do

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these things.
But what you're telling me.

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I don't even know if he was
trying to say he was better than

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her.
He's trying to say that because

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he doesn't do these things, he's
a good person and she should be

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able to trust him.
But for for me, looking at this

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one, if your introduction to how
good of a person is, is that you

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don't do these things that quote
UN quote other people consider

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bad, you're already telling me
that you're a judgmental person.

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Okay 2.
You are a person who don't do

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these bad things, but you have
no problems.

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And taking pleasure and telling
people how you're going to

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execute a person by splitting
him from growing to head, you

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have no problems.
Push the lady into the You have

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no problems pushing a woman into
a herd of walkers because she's

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not giving you the information
you need, or because she runs an

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establishment that serves
alcohol, that allows gambling

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that allows.
Prostitution or whatever you

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want to call it at this point,
you know what I'm saying?

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Like you're already condemning
people because of what, quote UN

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quote, you deem to be acceptable
behavior.

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And this is what you have made
into law again and have a

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problem with this type of
leadership because this is the

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problem with the world we live
in now.

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This is why it's broken people
consistently trying to govern

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how other people live, how other
people you know.

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What other people do with their
bodies?

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What, like if I want to smoke,
If I want to drink, If I want to

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go out and fuck every single
person I come across?

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If it's not hurting you, what
business is it of yours?

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Especially in a world like this,
where there literally is no law.

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You get to make your own, you
get to make up the rules and

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they making up some shitty ones.
I want to go back to, I want to

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go to the Commonwealth.
I'll work, I'll work that out.

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Sing you to jail with three
hearts of the cot.

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Yeah.
No before murder.

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I'm gonna slam your face into
that damn fence and the walkers

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eat you or hang hang you in the
town square so everybody can see

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your body dead and riding in in
death.

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Right.
Like what?

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Like and this is the kind of
thing that you like you.

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Again, you are trying to get
people to follow the rules by

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putting fear in them.
Who else did that, Negan?

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I mean, the fact that you even
walked into the bar and talked

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about what he did to the group,
which I'm guessing within the

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last years, just from what we've
heard of the conversation.

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Negan may have had to go back to
some of his old ways because he

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has other people to take care
of.

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That's kind of the gist that I
got.

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So maybe some people are are
telling about what he did in the

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circle or as we see the Croat
was part of his group.

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We don't know if the Croat was
still with the Saviors at the

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time that all this happened.
But word has gotten around.

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So he's trying to paint Megan as
this really bad guy because this

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is what he did and This is why
we're going to execute him.

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But you don't sound like you're
any better except for the fact

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that you hide behind, quote, UN
quote the law.

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And we all know how that goes
when people hide behind the

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badge and make bad decisions or
do bad things.

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So yeah.
Of of this dude at this point.

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So I I don't know.
And then it's like, OK, first of

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all, before we go on the fact
that the the woman that he threw

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into the crowd, I was surprised
to see Michelle heard on this

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show.
I was like, oh, yeah, OK, this

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is cool because I don't know if
you know, she's married to

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Garrett Dillonhunt who played
John Dory Junior.

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They've been married, I think 27
years.

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So when I saw her, I said oh,
OK, so we lost John Dory, but

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we're getting his wife as a
character.

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OK, that's cool for. 5 seconds.
I was like OK for. 5.

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Seconds I was very excited like
OK, we is new character for this

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world right?
Right.

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OK.
But I will say this about her

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character and these people in
this bar so and it's not so

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much.
When Maggie shows up to the bar

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looking for Negan, even though
that was a good little part,

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because, you know, at the
beginning Maggie comes in, she

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she, I guess you can say she's
kind of being undercover because

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she has a different look.
She's coming in, you know,

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drinking.
And I guess she's, she's

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supposed to be acting like she's
a little bit drunk.

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And she tells the bartender, you
know, she was like, I'm not in

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the right head space because he
offers her another drink.

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And he was like, what's what's
happening?

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She said, well, I have a cabin a
few miles from here left to go

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scavenge.
And came back.

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And some groaners weren't, first
of all, hearing her, you were

448
00:26:55,710 --> 00:26:59,870
groaners.
I was like, okay Casey, I think

449
00:26:59,870 --> 00:27:02,150
you're going to have to add
groaners to our tshirt.

450
00:27:03,390 --> 00:27:07,150
And carry on and carry on.
I still hate carry on.

451
00:27:07,150 --> 00:27:09,350
I'm not using that term.
No I don't.

452
00:27:09,550 --> 00:27:12,670
Even know what what they carry
on the the, the, the virus.

453
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:17,870
I never, I never understood.
But you know when she's in the

454
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:22,630
bar and she's she's basically
trying to find out information

455
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:26,150
about Megan and the guy was
like, oh, you know you you

456
00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:28,950
happen to you're in luck because
we have a guy here who deals

457
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:31,200
with growners.
And she was like, really?

458
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,040
Is he good?
He was like, he's the best we

459
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320
got.
And the maggots, like, so does

460
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,040
he live here in the hotel or is
he from around here?

461
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,960
I was like, see, this is where
you messed up.

462
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:46,400
You being being Captain Obvious.
Now you look as as as as much.

463
00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:51,030
As Maggie's had to go through,
and as much as she has had to do

464
00:27:51,030 --> 00:27:53,910
the number of communities she's
been through, Maggie should know

465
00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:56,590
better than to ask pointed
questions like that.

466
00:27:56,590 --> 00:27:59,670
Like you are making it very
obvious that you already know

467
00:27:59,670 --> 00:28:01,230
who you were supposed to be
looking for.

468
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:04,910
I was like, okay, whatever.
One too many.

469
00:28:04,910 --> 00:28:06,150
Questions.
God damn it.

470
00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:07,670
Too many.
Right.

471
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:10,590
But we do see in this bar scene,
Maggie knows how to handle

472
00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:12,270
herself because they do catch
her.

473
00:28:12,270 --> 00:28:17,150
She she kind of sneaks off.
She finds she just happens to

474
00:28:17,150 --> 00:28:19,750
find the right room that Megan
is in.

475
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:23,190
She sneaks into the hotel room.
She grabs a knife off the

476
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:26,310
dresser, and when she walks
towards the bathroom, because

477
00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:29,990
you, you hear the water running.
He's in the shower and it looks

478
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:32,230
like he he's doing this in the
shower.

479
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:34,950
So I don't know if he's like,
crying, if he's upset.

480
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:36,870
We don't know what's going on
because this is the first

481
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:40,030
glimpse we've gotten of Megan.
But of course she gets caught.

482
00:28:40,830 --> 00:28:43,470
They take her back.
To the bar area.

483
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:46,630
And Michelle hurts character,
you know, she's basically like,

484
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:50,230
oh, are you here for such and
such person, Vasquez?

485
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:53,470
I think so.
She thinks that I guess Maggie

486
00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:57,230
is a spy for maybe a competitor,
maybe somebody else who is

487
00:28:57,510 --> 00:29:00,030
trying to shake them down.
We really don't know.

488
00:29:00,750 --> 00:29:04,070
But when she gets ready to
attack Maggie, you know it's

489
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:05,990
her.
She's got two guys holding

490
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:09,550
Maggie by each arm.
Maggie.

491
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,760
You know, she kind of kicks her
boot on the table and she has

492
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,720
this little blade that comes out
of her boot.

493
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,720
I was like, oh, that's handy.
But she real spy shit.

494
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,880
Real spy shit, yeah.
But she basically gets herself

495
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,760
out of that situation.
Megan comes in, sees the

496
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,840
scuffle, and I don't know if he
actually sees that it's Maggie

497
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,720
at that point.
I just think he knows that

498
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,680
somebody was in his room looking
for him.

499
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,990
But.
What we found out in the episode

500
00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:40,350
later, Maggie has been looking
for Negan, and she's not been

501
00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:43,150
making it a secret that she's
looking for Megan.

502
00:29:43,310 --> 00:29:47,590
Maybe she hasn't said who she
is, but like when the when the

503
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:51,390
Armstrong and his people come
in, the young guy who's with

504
00:29:51,390 --> 00:29:55,430
him, when they find out that,
you know, Negan is gone, a woman

505
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:57,750
took him.
He was like, is this the same

506
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:59,990
woman that's been looking for
him up and down the coast and

507
00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:04,470
breaking bones in her weight?
I was like, oh, OK, so.

508
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:08,270
Maggie has been on a mission,
and that could also have

509
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:10,430
something to do.
He said that because he called

510
00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:14,990
her map.
Well, no, that's that's not what

511
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:18,470
Armstrong said.
The other guy, the young guy, he

512
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:22,390
said it because he was saying it
like he was scared, you know, he

513
00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:24,910
was like, oh, is this the same
person that's been looking for

514
00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:27,750
him up and down the coast and
breaking, breaking bones?

515
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:29,990
So apparently, like I said,
Maggie's been making herself

516
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:31,790
known like she's been looking
for me again.

517
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,380
Either she keeps missing him or
people are not telling her and

518
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:39,620
she's been breaking bones in the
process.

519
00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:42,180
Again, you know, we had this
conversation.

520
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:46,300
I did this panel last year about
Maggie's kind of descent into

521
00:30:47,020 --> 00:30:50,660
not necessarily a villain, but
we do see a darker version of

522
00:30:50,660 --> 00:30:58,580
her character.
But when Armstrong answers, you

523
00:30:58,580 --> 00:31:00,500
know, of course this is around
the time when.

524
00:31:01,330 --> 00:31:06,970
After he has put the bar owner,
you know, to the walkers.

525
00:31:07,290 --> 00:31:10,490
But the thing that was bothering
me about that whole scene is

526
00:31:10,650 --> 00:31:13,330
when they realize that the
marshals are coming and somebody

527
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:16,410
comes in and tells her marshals
are here and she's like, oh, OK,

528
00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:18,250
everybody clean this up, put
this stuff up.

529
00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:20,610
Because again, she's serving
alcohol.

530
00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:22,770
They're playing cars, they're
gambling.

531
00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:25,850
When Maggie first arrives at the
bar, you know, you see two

532
00:31:25,850 --> 00:31:31,210
people who are obviously.
Street walkers, skin tray,

533
00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:33,810
whatever you want to call it,
whatever they call it in this

534
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:37,890
particular world, you know, I
don't think, I don't think I've

535
00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:39,570
ever heard them use the word
prostitute.

536
00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:42,050
So I don't know if that's what
they would call it, but

537
00:31:42,050 --> 00:31:46,130
whatever, It's obvious that they
are there for sexual pleasure,

538
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:48,730
you know what I'm saying?
And those are all things that

539
00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:55,010
are outlawed in New Babylon.
So when he comes in the bar, the

540
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:58,890
way that everybody is acting.
I was like, y'all are

541
00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:01,730
automatically telling this man
that y'all are guilty of

542
00:32:01,730 --> 00:32:05,570
something.
It may not necessarily be hiding

543
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:09,290
me again, but the fact that you
were sitting at the bar,

544
00:32:09,570 --> 00:32:13,410
nobody's giving him eye contact
and y'all are sitting there like

545
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:15,530
3 people didn't just walk into
your bar.

546
00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:19,130
Y'all don't say hey Marshall,
how can we help you?

547
00:32:19,930 --> 00:32:22,410
Would you like a drink?
I mean I'm sure they had non

548
00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:27,040
alcoholic stuff too, but I mean.
You're sitting there avoiding

549
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,960
looking at him, ignoring him.
You're already telling every

550
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,520
you're telling everybody by your
body language and your behavior

551
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,840
that you were doing something
you had no business doing before

552
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,240
this man walked up in the door.
Because I'm sorry, me if I'm not

553
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,120
doing anything guilty.
I don't care.

554
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,320
Fucking cop Squad could come in.
I'm going to ask.

555
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,600
I'm be like, hey, what's going
on?

556
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,480
Which I need?
Can I help you?

557
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Oh, we're looking for this
person.

558
00:32:54,510 --> 00:32:56,910
I don't know who this person is.
The fact that he kept saying,

559
00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:59,950
has anybody seen this man?
And nobody answered?

560
00:33:00,750 --> 00:33:03,910
Y'all are already telling this
man that he has been here,

561
00:33:04,790 --> 00:33:06,870
right?
You can just say yes, he was

562
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:09,550
here.
And then some other woman came

563
00:33:09,790 --> 00:33:13,710
and then they disappeared.
You could have said that and he

564
00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:16,590
would have been out the door.
You could have been like, yeah,

565
00:33:16,590 --> 00:33:21,590
he stopped in here, you know,
was here for a couple of days.

566
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,480
Some woman came and grabbed
them.

567
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,960
We don't know why y'all could.
Have that wouldn't have been a

568
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,560
lie.
It wouldn't have been.

569
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,600
I mean, yes, granted, Megan was
probably like, like they said,

570
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,120
Megan was there working out
clearing the walkers.

571
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,520
But she could have said
something like, yeah, we had him

572
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,120
clearing out the walkers, but
then when we saw The Wanted

573
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,080
posters, we sent him on his way
because we didn't want anything

574
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,960
to have to do with that.
You could have said something.

575
00:33:50,180 --> 00:33:55,020
That would have deflected that
and not caused the marshals to

576
00:33:55,020 --> 00:34:03,820
do what they ended up doing.
That was just like, OK, it's now

577
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:08,540
at this point, like I said,
probably 5-6 years removed from

578
00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:11,659
the main show.
So at this point the the

579
00:34:11,659 --> 00:34:14,780
apocalypse, the zombie
apocalypse, has been in effect

580
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:21,670
for roughly 20 years, OK.
Somewhere around there, you mean

581
00:34:21,670 --> 00:34:24,350
to tell me y'all didn't grow any
common sense during that time.

582
00:34:26,110 --> 00:34:29,550
I mean, seriously, like, she
died a pointless death.

583
00:34:29,989 --> 00:34:32,670
She didn't have to die.
All you had to do is tell a

584
00:34:32,909 --> 00:34:37,510
little white lie or, you know,
kind of something believable.

585
00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:40,590
Yeah.
But especially if this man is a

586
00:34:40,590 --> 00:34:42,429
Marshall.
He's going, he knows how to read

587
00:34:42,429 --> 00:34:44,389
body language.
He knows how to tell when people

588
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:47,389
are lying to him.
He ain't gonna, dummy.

589
00:34:49,330 --> 00:34:53,530
And then, of course, you know,
he does find her her map book,

590
00:34:53,530 --> 00:35:00,530
because when Maggie comes in,
she's in a she's in a SUV when

591
00:35:00,530 --> 00:35:04,570
Negan runs out of the bar after
he sees the scuffle.

592
00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:08,250
There's also a young girl who
trips Maggie up and then she

593
00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:10,730
kind of turns and looks at her
before she leaves out.

594
00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:13,450
And I was like, who is this kid
that's look like him and Andy's

595
00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:14,690
daughter?
Plus she too old.

596
00:35:16,830 --> 00:35:20,790
So they are running and Maggie
gets into the truck to go pursue

597
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:24,070
them and one of the guys comes
out of the bar and, you know,

598
00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:28,230
tries to take her out of the the
truck and she kicks him and her

599
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:31,910
map book falls out the truck.
She, you know, pays no attention

600
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:34,630
to it or she doesn't see it
because she's so focused on

601
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:40,070
getting to Megan.
But when Armstrong finds this

602
00:35:40,070 --> 00:35:45,190
map book, I was sitting there
like, now maybe it's because.

603
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,120
I've never.
Well, I won't say I've never.

604
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,720
I haven't had to use a physical
map book in ages.

605
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,280
You know, we have cell phones,
we have GPS.

606
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:57,960
They don't have this in this
time.

607
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,000
So I understand.
They got to get like the old,

608
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,200
you know, I don't even remember
what you call them.

609
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,080
Things because you don't call
them a map.

610
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,360
But what do you call them?
It's not an Atlas, It's a what

611
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,400
is it, anyway?
It's a Atlas.

612
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,240
Okay.
I don't remember.

613
00:36:15,790 --> 00:36:19,430
So look, I just gave my a my a.
You made me think like it's not

614
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:22,270
an A.
Yeah, I was thinking that too,

615
00:36:22,270 --> 00:36:25,190
like wait a second.
But I remember using those on

616
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:27,750
trips and stuff.
Yeah, I haven't in a long time

617
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:32,150
because you know, I'm I'm more,
I'm more a MapQuest person from

618
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:36,350
when I started using, you know
maps to get to places.

619
00:36:36,350 --> 00:36:38,950
I'm a MapQuest person.
I didn't really use the Atlas

620
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:42,150
growing up.
So, but how did you get to

621
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:43,430
places?
Girl.

622
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,480
You should print out the 17
pages the MapQuest gave you for

623
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,600
the before MapQuest.
Yeah, I went to Alabama and that

624
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,960
was it.
As as a young child, I didn't

625
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,800
really start going anywhere
until I until I was in my like

626
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,800
late 20s as far as well.
I mean, I would say that too, I

627
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,040
guess, because.
I mean, I never was.

628
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,840
We were at passengers, we were
kids.

629
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,680
But I just followed along on the
map.

630
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,600
Yeah, No.
Because I'm sorry, I'm a nerd.

631
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,640
I follow along on the map.
That's the thing, because

632
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,960
anywhere that my dad took us,
that was a road trip.

633
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,920
He already knew how to get
there, so he never used the map

634
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,680
for any of that.
No, I mean my parents didn't

635
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,840
either, but I'm just saying I
just had the map in the back.

636
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,440
I will just looked at the map
that's.

637
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,960
I am the map girl.
Please, please and thank you.

638
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:29,110
Yeah, that was so cool.
You go to the gas station we had

639
00:37:29,110 --> 00:37:30,470
and sometimes they'll have free
maps.

640
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:31,550
I'll just grab the map.
I would.

641
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:34,230
I would look at maps then.
But of course, like you said,

642
00:37:34,270 --> 00:37:35,190
we're kids.
I.

643
00:37:35,830 --> 00:37:38,470
I don't know how to read these
things, which is another reason

644
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:43,510
why I was I was so flabbergasted
about Mo being able to read some

645
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:46,110
stuff in Fear.
But anyway, because I don't

646
00:37:46,110 --> 00:37:47,750
think.
Have you watched Fear yet,

647
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:50,140
Michelle?
Okay.

648
00:37:50,140 --> 00:37:52,020
So I'm not going to say anything
else about fear.

649
00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:55,020
You'll just you'll have to see
it and then you'll know what the

650
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:56,940
conversation is.
But anyway, going back to

651
00:37:56,940 --> 00:38:00,780
Maggie.
So when when Armstrong picks up

652
00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:04,180
this Atlas, he notices that
there's a page missing.

653
00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:11,060
Now if I remember correctly
about how to read a a Atlas and

654
00:38:11,060 --> 00:38:15,700
looking at the book, most of the
times when you have those pages,

655
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,380
they're numbered and it tells
you what.

656
00:38:18,850 --> 00:38:22,450
Area you're looking at on that
particular page number.

657
00:38:22,810 --> 00:38:25,810
Now the crazy thing is when he
turns to the back to look at the

658
00:38:25,810 --> 00:38:29,050
index, he wasn't looking for the
page number, he was going to

659
00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:32,130
alphabetical order.
So I don't remember if Atlas is

660
00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:37,130
actually if they're on the page
in alphabetical order.

661
00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:39,890
But that wouldn't make sense
either because when you look at

662
00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:44,130
him going down the list of the M
names to find Manhattan on page

663
00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:47,770
53, all of the other names in
front of it.

664
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:51,540
Were all on different pages.
So I was like, how did he know

665
00:38:51,540 --> 00:38:53,220
for sure that that was
Manhattan?

666
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:57,100
Or was that something that like,
I'm trying to figure out how he

667
00:38:57,100 --> 00:39:01,380
knew to look for Manhattan?
Like unless you are familiar

668
00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:06,540
with that particular Atlas or
unless you have heard?

669
00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:10,740
He could have realized like.
That.

670
00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:15,300
She's going up the coast, but if
you're going up you in Jersey

671
00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:18,750
next, you're going to New York.
Right, so just.

672
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:21,470
The pattern on.
The shoreline, you know, going

673
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:22,830
up.
OK.

674
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:25,190
OK and so.
You wouldn't look for Miami do.

675
00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:27,630
We know what state New Babylon
is in.

676
00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:31,990
I would assume it's in New
Jersey.

677
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:33,710
OK.
That's just me.

678
00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:36,390
Because when it because it looks
like once they got to New York,

679
00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:38,990
because me remember even at the
beginning she was sitting on the

680
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:47,250
edge of the shore, right?
She's looking across from Jersey

681
00:39:47,290 --> 00:39:48,570
to New York.
Okay.

682
00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:51,170
So if that's the case, then it
would make sense.

683
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:56,290
It would make more sense as far
as why the Croat ended up in her

684
00:39:56,290 --> 00:39:59,810
area because New Jersey is so
close to New York.

685
00:39:59,810 --> 00:40:04,410
But again, then that would beg
the question, why is she all the

686
00:40:04,410 --> 00:40:07,010
way to hell in New Jersey when
all her people are like in

687
00:40:07,010 --> 00:40:11,090
Virginia, Ohio?
Like why is she so far away from

688
00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:15,020
them again?
It seems like the people who are

689
00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:18,660
scavenging you going, which I I
I guess I understand because

690
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:22,860
you're going further and further
and further out, you know what I

691
00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:24,420
mean?
And that's how people keep

692
00:40:24,420 --> 00:40:27,420
running.
You would think with all the

693
00:40:27,420 --> 00:40:30,620
scavenging y'all that would have
been ran into some of these

694
00:40:30,620 --> 00:40:34,540
other communities at some point.
Because that's what happened

695
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:39,340
when Jesus met Darryl and Rick,
you know, they all trying to

696
00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:42,660
scavenge for this fucking truck,
you know, and.

697
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,640
But you know, but that's how.
Because even here, and he was

698
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,160
like, I'm about to open y'all
world.

699
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,840
Like it's more out here.
But at some point, well, no

700
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,440
matter where Maggie went to,
you're going to run into

701
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,200
somebody.
And if she out here making this

702
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,280
name for herself, she going to
be the next motherfucker on a

703
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,910
warning poster.
And see, I looked it up and they

704
00:41:08,910 --> 00:41:12,390
actually said it is a federation
of states.

705
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:15,190
It's a network of survivor
communities throughout New

706
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:21,030
Jersey and New York.
OK, OK.

707
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:26,470
But still it's like, OK.
But not Manhattan, because

708
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:29,670
Manhattan is by itself.
Manhattan is by itself because

709
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:35,110
when everything went down, they.
Bombed all the bridges so nobody

710
00:41:35,110 --> 00:41:38,870
could get off the island, which
I was like, that's so fucked up.

711
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:42,870
But I am not surprised.
No, I wouldn't.

712
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:44,150
Yeah, that would.
That would.

713
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:48,430
As a government worker, that
would be my idea too, because.

714
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:53,150
At at that point, again, just
from the information we gathered

715
00:41:53,150 --> 00:41:59,980
from that, it seems like.
Back at the beginning, they

716
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:02,020
probably didn't know that this
was something that was

717
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:03,900
widespread.
They probably thought, oh, this

718
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:06,580
started on Manhattan.
That's probably where the most

719
00:42:06,580 --> 00:42:09,100
people were sick.
And they thought, OK, if we

720
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:13,060
could just close off the the
island, we can contain it.

721
00:42:13,540 --> 00:42:17,660
You know, I think that was their
thing, which like you said, it

722
00:42:17,660 --> 00:42:20,380
does make sense.
But at the same time, it's like

723
00:42:20,380 --> 00:42:24,820
you condemned all those people
to die.

724
00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:28,810
That's just horrible.
That's horrible.

725
00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:34,650
But the other thing, and I know
I'm nitpicking about this, so

726
00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:40,170
was New Babylon a thing?
A federation of states before

727
00:42:40,170 --> 00:42:43,010
the zombie apocalypse?
Or did they find some kind of

728
00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:47,050
factory where they could where
they can make city signs during

729
00:42:47,050 --> 00:42:50,210
the zombie apocalypse?
Because they have a they have a

730
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:53,130
whole sign that says New
Babylon, Federation of States,

731
00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:54,810
blah blah blah.
I was like, where do you get the

732
00:42:54,810 --> 00:42:58,020
sign from?
You know there is somebody that

733
00:42:58,460 --> 00:42:59,700
there's the sign.
Right.

734
00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:01,500
The sign maker is with the wig
maker.

735
00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:05,660
Right.
I mean, they have a location,

736
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:07,060
you just didn't need to know
where to go.

737
00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:10,820
Yeah, read the map.
I guess because I see 20 years

738
00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:12,780
down the line, y'all still got
bullets.

739
00:43:13,820 --> 00:43:18,300
I know it's.
So I'm just saying these are the

740
00:43:18,340 --> 00:43:22,500
things that I think of like, OK,
1520 years down the line.

741
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,880
Nobody is manufacturing bullets
except for Eugene, and Eugene is

742
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,600
probably out of that business.
And he got a baby to raise.

743
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,160
But other people, it's it's not
that bad.

744
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,440
I mean, I don't understand why
Eugene is the only one who can,

745
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,320
especially if where we were.
Because I feel like if any of

746
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,520
those people were from Georgia
or the country, y'all should be

747
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,880
able to know how to do that.
I'm confused.

748
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,320
You understand what I'm saying.
Y'all need to.

749
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,040
I mean, I'm not asking for like
certain bullets.

750
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,960
You should be able to do.
You should know how to.

751
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,280
Dale should have known how to do
bullets.

752
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,640
He look like a dude who hunted
in the past.

753
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,880
Like you have an idea where to
go, how bullets are made.

754
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,720
I don't find that far off.
I think I would.

755
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,880
I would see that being.
More of a Merle thing, because

756
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,520
that would seem like he's more
handson with the crossbow with.

757
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:19,190
With the knives.
But but Darrell should have

758
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:23,350
still knew.
So Darrell didn't do as much

759
00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:26,070
hunting in the past.
No, he did.

760
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:29,110
That's the thing.
Because him and Merle were on

761
00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:31,790
their own a lot.
And he he talked about the fact

762
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:34,790
that they were, they would go
and hunt and they would do this

763
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:37,190
stuff because their dad was
never around.

764
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:39,790
And when he was, he was drunk
and he was beating folks.

765
00:44:39,790 --> 00:44:43,830
Their mom obviously wasn't doing
much to take care of them.

766
00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:47,110
Darrell talked about.
The fact that he was always

767
00:44:47,110 --> 00:44:49,670
hanging around Merle because
Merle was the one that looked

768
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:52,150
out for him and they would go
out and hunt and they would do

769
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:55,310
this right?
And Merle did did a a shitty job

770
00:44:55,310 --> 00:44:57,110
because he didn't teach him
about bullets.

771
00:44:57,430 --> 00:45:00,430
All right, so but yeah, that's
not far off but.

772
00:45:01,270 --> 00:45:05,950
No, you know that's not fair
because general uses a cross.

773
00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:08,580
I know, I'm just joking, but
yeah, he's.

774
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:10,900
He's we're.
Be the one with the bullets.

775
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:13,380
See, I'm saying and I'm wrong
saying somebody from the

776
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:16,460
country, but you will be a
little bit more aware like, OK,

777
00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:20,020
I'm from Miami.
I'm not going to be aware of

778
00:45:20,020 --> 00:45:23,020
making bullets.
However, I'll be more aware of

779
00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:27,220
maybe marine life and how we can
survive on those type of things.

780
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:29,660
We know that Darryl knows all of
that stuff.

781
00:45:29,660 --> 00:45:32,620
But also if you think about it,
just taking that that argument

782
00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:34,420
that you're giving.
Merle.

783
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:37,180
Like I said, I feel like he
would be the one to know about

784
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:38,580
bullets.
Because if you think about it,

785
00:45:38,780 --> 00:45:41,620
Merle was the Cruel 1.
Merle was the one who had no

786
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:44,740
problems hurting people.
So Merle to me would seem like

787
00:45:44,980 --> 00:45:47,340
he would know how to.
He would probably know how to.

788
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:50,820
Make a bullet or know how to get
them because he would use it to

789
00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:55,260
intimidate people and whatever.
But even in the past I'm

790
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:59,300
thinking about past jobs, so
somebody in New Babylon has

791
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:02,940
ideas about bullets, so I'm okay
with them having.

792
00:46:03,390 --> 00:46:06,750
The endless supply of bullets.
It be the endless supply of hair

793
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:09,710
products that concerns.
We are not about to go into this

794
00:46:09,790 --> 00:46:12,550
hair product conversation.
But see that?

795
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:15,710
So see, I'm just going with the
logic is like, the bullet thing,

796
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:17,990
I'm OK.
The signs, you are absolutely

797
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:21,070
right.
Like signs of making a sign,

798
00:46:21,070 --> 00:46:22,510
like they didn't go to a
Kinko's.

799
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:24,550
I mean, like, what are you
doing?

800
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:28,220
Bullets I get, but a nice fresh
sign.

801
00:46:29,540 --> 00:46:33,500
It's not hand painted right?
That's not hand painted like

802
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:37,620
someone painted it green and
then we like did a stencil of

803
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:39,660
New Babylon I get.
That.

804
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:42,860
Right.
This look like this is coming

805
00:46:42,860 --> 00:46:45,140
from a nice warehouse.
I want to know where that

806
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:48,180
warehouse is because we're
getting everyone's getting their

807
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:51,940
supplies from them.
Like, I'm just saying, this was

808
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:55,140
this is the stuff that I pay
attention to on a second and

809
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:57,860
third rewatch.
Like let's get a new Babylon

810
00:46:57,860 --> 00:46:59,340
science.
New Babylon something.

811
00:46:59,580 --> 00:47:01,980
But well, you passed one of
them.

812
00:47:01,980 --> 00:47:04,100
One of them was the bar having
power.

813
00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:07,900
I understand you make your own
alcohol, but how you got the LED

814
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:10,140
lights working?
I mean, help me, they probably

815
00:47:10,140 --> 00:47:15,100
had a generator.
What kind of generation I get

816
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:17,100
into this too?
What kind of generation?

817
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:21,500
So I got to argue.
Gas, gas and gas.

818
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:25,460
Fear The Walking Dead, Virginia
have figured out a way to make

819
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:28,420
gas.
So I'm sure again, we're talking

820
00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:31,180
maybe 1520 years into the zombie
apocalypse.

821
00:47:31,460 --> 00:47:34,420
Somebody had to figure out a way
to make some kind of fuel.

822
00:47:35,140 --> 00:47:38,020
Because you're not just.
I'm sorry, 20 years down the

823
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:40,300
line, I better have some kind of
goddamn lights.

824
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,840
I'm going to be in the dark for
the rest of my life.

825
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,440
I'm going to figure something
out now this makes me this makes

826
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,400
me question OK you got Virginia
figuring this out with fear and

827
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,960
figuring out how to to also
about you know getting bitten to

828
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:01,240
And then you have new Babylon
with new signs power gas Rick

829
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,360
and they crew.
I need them to go to the library

830
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,400
and read up on some things
because we're behind.

831
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,880
So here's the other question
that I have so.

832
00:48:09,740 --> 00:48:12,500
OK, we got the end of The
Walking Dead, right?

833
00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:16,380
We have the Daryl Dixon show.
We have the Ricky Michon show.

834
00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:19,340
We had this show.
Now, this show has already

835
00:48:19,340 --> 00:48:22,020
established a timeline.
Like I said, we got to be

836
00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:27,700
somewhere four to six years,
give or take from the end of the

837
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:32,460
main show.
The fact that Maggie came to

838
00:48:32,460 --> 00:48:36,700
Megan for help, yes, I
understand that because of.

839
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,640
His past association with the
Crow app, But my question is,

840
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,080
this is Herschel we are talking
about.

841
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,960
You didn't think to go ask any
of your other people to come

842
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,320
help save your son.
So that makes me wonder, OK, so

843
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,680
Ricky Michonne, are they back
yet?

844
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,120
Are they still gone 5-6 years
you know, from the end of the

845
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,180
show?
Is Darrell still in France at

846
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:09,140
this point?
Like, why did you not go to the

847
00:49:09,140 --> 00:49:13,580
people you knew would come help
you come hell or hot water?

848
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:16,180
But you know what?
But you went to need?

849
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:17,300
Me.
I get it, though.

850
00:49:17,300 --> 00:49:21,380
I get it.
But didn't also back in still on

851
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:25,820
The Walking Dead didn't because
remember when they was was in

852
00:49:25,820 --> 00:49:29,500
the subways and they because
wasn't that New York.

853
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,720
When it was on the subways and
they had Megan because you know

854
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:35,400
the city.
They were going.

855
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:40,360
Towards DC OK, because something
that made me think like didn't

856
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,680
they say he knew New York, which
is because that's why they took

857
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,240
him when the.
DC that was DC That was DC but

858
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,080
OK, hear it.
Oh well.

859
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,720
But I get it though, because she
kind of after that situation

860
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:58,390
where Rick kind of.
She didn't side with me and he,

861
00:49:58,390 --> 00:50:02,550
you know, he showed mercy.
She started distancing herself

862
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:04,350
from them anyway.
But at this point.

863
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:07,670
I'm, I'm sorry.
She's still distant now, yeah.

864
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:10,830
But she's distancing to herself.
And even with the Commonwealth,

865
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:13,310
even if everyone came back and
they were living in

866
00:50:13,310 --> 00:50:16,910
Commonwealth, she's off.
She has always been and she's

867
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:20,150
been doing that, and I know they
ridden that because she left the

868
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:24,470
show or whatnot, that she's
always off doing her own thing.

869
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:28,330
So when she heard the whistle, I
can't whistle.

870
00:50:28,850 --> 00:50:32,370
And she associated that with
Negan and she feels like Negan

871
00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:35,610
is the one to give it.
She didn't think about them

872
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:39,490
helping her.
I can see, I can see it.

873
00:50:39,810 --> 00:50:41,810
I can see it because she really
has.

874
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:44,850
Development character
development thing.

875
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:49,330
Because at this point where we
are in the Dance City timeline,

876
00:50:49,570 --> 00:50:52,930
this is 12 years removed from
when Rick.

877
00:50:53,690 --> 00:50:58,530
Allowed Megan to live.
I know it don't matter cuz she's

878
00:50:58,530 --> 00:51:03,370
still mad at Megan and it's been
12 years exactly like you said

879
00:51:03,490 --> 00:51:06,170
she's still.
Yeah, so she's.

880
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:10,330
Against Rick and and Michelle.
She's not rationalizing.

881
00:51:10,330 --> 00:51:12,930
Then let me go get the crew.
Let me get these soldiers from

882
00:51:12,930 --> 00:51:16,840
Commonwealth to help me.
No, because you have friends.

883
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,400
Like you literally have Carol,
even.

884
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,760
If you don't get it and this is
the again, so this is the thing

885
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,440
that.
Though she's not thinking, she's

886
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,760
thinking who can help me with
this person I know is

887
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,160
associated.
I know where that that whistling

888
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,120
comes from.
So that person has to be the

889
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,080
same type of character Negan is.
So I need a Negan to fight a

890
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,120
Negan.
But I don't know.

891
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,520
I guess it still doesn't make
sense because at this point.

892
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:47,140
Well, at the end of the show,
Maggie had pretty much made her

893
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:49,660
amends with her people.
I mean, when you come back and

894
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:53,100
you realize half the people you
loved are dead and you were gone

895
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:58,700
for all of it, you weren't here
for any of that one.

896
00:52:00,020 --> 00:52:05,260
Okay, I I guess I'm applying.
Real life is short, especially

897
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:08,180
in a zombie apocalypse.
You do your forgiveness and you

898
00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:11,840
you move on like.
Once you think Rick is dead and

899
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,640
OK, you you probably have
thought Rick is dead because you

900
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,840
saw you was there when the
bridge blew up.

901
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,920
But I'm pretty sure that when
Darryl left and told the kids or

902
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,600
told Judith, if I see them out
there, I'll bring them home.

903
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,480
Darryl and Caroline, the only
person who know at this point

904
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:33,160
that Rick may be alive and
Michonne went to go find them.

905
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,920
I'm sure they probably shared
that information with.

906
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,240
The and and Ricky Michonne
really could be at the.

907
00:52:39,730 --> 00:52:41,610
The honeymoon suite and
Commonwealth.

908
00:52:41,770 --> 00:52:44,970
But she is not going back there
to ask for help.

909
00:52:44,970 --> 00:52:47,730
That wasn't her first thing in
her mind.

910
00:52:47,730 --> 00:52:50,610
When she heard that whistle
brought her back another

911
00:52:50,610 --> 00:52:54,730
12/13/14 years.
How long has been since Glenn

912
00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:58,010
and her mission was to get him
to fight Negan.

913
00:52:58,010 --> 00:53:00,970
To fight another Negan.
She one thing about Rick and

914
00:53:00,970 --> 00:53:04,610
Rochon to fight them, she'll
leave them out of it, which is

915
00:53:04,610 --> 00:53:08,050
stupid because you you need
everyone to help you.

916
00:53:08,980 --> 00:53:13,060
I don't understand how 2 effing
people are going to go into.

917
00:53:13,540 --> 00:53:16,740
Manhattan Manhattan where
there's.

918
00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:18,540
Going to be a whole lot of
walkers.

919
00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:23,020
Walkers, plus the people you
have to deal with to get your

920
00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:26,180
son back, right?
Especially you are not Tom

921
00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:29,100
Cruise and Mission Impossible.
You can't do it.

922
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:31,420
This is a person you can't do
already.

923
00:53:31,900 --> 00:53:34,100
Pretty much already made his
amends to you.

924
00:53:34,580 --> 00:53:37,580
Megan owes her nothing at this
point, and he does say something

925
00:53:37,580 --> 00:53:41,180
about this in this episode.
Like he calls her out on every

926
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:43,020
passive aggressive line she's
giving him.

927
00:53:43,540 --> 00:53:47,060
Megan does not owe her anything
at this point, so he could be

928
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:51,100
like, look, I already saved your
son once all them years ago.

929
00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:54,730
Literally.
On the other hand, you talking

930
00:53:54,730 --> 00:54:00,370
Rick, Carol, Michonne, Aaron,
all this is nephew to them.

931
00:54:00,370 --> 00:54:03,010
You mean to tell me that they
wouldn't come and help you at

932
00:54:03,010 --> 00:54:05,890
the drop of a dime and be like,
oh okay, well, we know what we

933
00:54:05,890 --> 00:54:07,770
can do.
Let's go kill this motherfucker

934
00:54:07,770 --> 00:54:10,950
and get your son back.
Can we come up with a plan?

935
00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:14,030
Right.
That she's not doing it.

936
00:54:14,110 --> 00:54:17,110
She's not even thinking it.
Let let's go back to the fact

937
00:54:17,110 --> 00:54:20,350
that you don't even really care
what happened to his wife and

938
00:54:20,350 --> 00:54:23,350
child to even invest in.
Well, I don't.

939
00:54:23,470 --> 00:54:26,990
I shouldn't take him because he
maybe need to go back and find

940
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:29,630
his wife or child.
You asked one line, which I

941
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:30,550
hate.
They did that.

942
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:33,670
Where's Annie and your kid?
He say nothing?

943
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:34,630
You say?
OK, move on.

944
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:36,350
You coming with me?
Come on.

945
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:39,030
So I will say this as far as
that goes.

946
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:46,180
I have a feeling the fact that
he didn't answer probably gave

947
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:49,780
her her answer and then when he
said something in the truck

948
00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:53,820
later on.
And also this bracelet, I don't

949
00:54:53,820 --> 00:54:57,340
know, is that a bracelet that
Annie wore in The Walking Dead?

950
00:54:57,620 --> 00:55:00,020
I don't know.
I I thought it, I thought about

951
00:55:00,020 --> 00:55:02,340
it, but I don't know.
Because I was like when she

952
00:55:02,340 --> 00:55:06,140
walked into his room when she
snuck into the hotel room and

953
00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:09,000
she grabbed the knife.
The bracelet was there 1st and

954
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,440
she picked up the bracelet and
looked at it and she set it back

955
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,680
down.
When he was in the truck talking

956
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,960
to her, he was holding the
bracelet and he was like it's

957
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,600
almost like you know how you
take a a piece of jewelry or

958
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,640
something that means something
to you and you just kind of

959
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,520
finger it.
You just kind of rub on it and

960
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,120
it's kind of like giving you
whatever you need, like some

961
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,440
kind of comfort.
So he was doing this to her and

962
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,520
you know he was telling her, he
said.

963
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:40,980
What the marshals say I did, it
didn't go down like that, but I

964
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:46,220
figure for whatever I did do, I
have paid the price to me.

965
00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:51,340
I feel like that told the story
of what may have happened to

966
00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:55,620
Annie and the child.
Either they got killed or she

967
00:55:55,620 --> 00:55:58,460
got tired of being in the danger
and she left him and took the

968
00:55:58,460 --> 00:56:00,980
child.
Now I do know that based on

969
00:56:01,060 --> 00:56:03,980
interviews we will find out.
What?

970
00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:07,220
What happened to Annie?
I think that, yeah, I figured

971
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:10,020
that they going to, they going
to have to because they can't

972
00:56:10,020 --> 00:56:14,260
leave us like this.
But it also shows that it goes

973
00:56:14,260 --> 00:56:17,420
with the evidence that we will
probably later talk about at

974
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:24,740
another panel about Maggie's
path, because her compassion and

975
00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:33,390
empathy is, like, gone.
Come on, Hanukkah, Don't help.

976
00:56:33,870 --> 00:56:36,230
Don't.
Don't do the silver lining.

977
00:56:36,310 --> 00:56:38,590
I didn't say.
All of it, but she.

978
00:56:39,070 --> 00:56:43,390
But I feel like the given, the
person, given one, given the

979
00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:47,270
fact that this is Negan we're
talking about, she's already on

980
00:56:47,790 --> 00:56:52,390
shaky ground having to deal with
this man who was the source of

981
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:58,230
so much trauma for her now.
I know for most people when

982
00:56:58,230 --> 00:57:01,030
something traumatic like that
happens, they don't just

983
00:57:01,030 --> 00:57:07,190
volunteer information.
And I think in a sense her not

984
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:11,870
pushing the issue with Megan,
Like first of all, he's there,

985
00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:15,750
not with Annie and his child,
He's there with a whole another

986
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:17,430
girl.
And then when we get the

987
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:21,790
background of who this girl is,
we find out that he was working

988
00:57:21,790 --> 00:57:25,630
on a farm.
She was there on the farm.

989
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,920
Her dad went out on the run,
never came back to look.

990
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,640
She the girl went to go look for
her dad, found him as a Walker

991
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,480
and apparently the way that he
died was because people killed

992
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,520
him and killed him in a horrific
way.

993
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,680
She wanted to go with him, I
guess maybe because she saw on

994
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,440
the farm that he took care of
himself.

995
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:51,080
And we already know from the
past show Megan OKI got to say

996
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,320
it.
Megan is a girl dad.

997
00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:55,060
You saw the way that he took to
Judith.

998
00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:56,780
You saw the way he took to
Lydia.

999
00:57:56,780 --> 00:57:58,860
Now to this girl.
He is a girl, Dad.

1000
00:57:58,860 --> 00:58:01,700
Which also leads me to believe
that who whatever child he had

1001
00:58:01,700 --> 00:58:03,500
with Andy, that was probably a
girl, too.

1002
00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:04,580
That's just.
I don't know.

1003
00:58:04,580 --> 00:58:08,220
That's just my thinking.
But I'm thinking because of the

1004
00:58:08,220 --> 00:58:16,100
situation and what they're
dealing with, one Maggie has to

1005
00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:21,540
stay focused because her son's
life is on the line.

1006
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,240
Now I'm just saying that this is
just part of evidence because I

1007
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,000
feel like she has already start
losing her compassion and

1008
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,840
empathy before this and it just
and it's.

1009
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,080
In the train.
Car.

1010
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,800
She talked about that, but she
started getting that back.

1011
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,360
But again, and I'll just see if
you can just see it in her now.

1012
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,920
And I'm just saying that this is
just a little bit evidence.

1013
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,480
He's not going to give her any
information.

1014
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,760
He will probably talk about it
later.

1015
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,880
I got that part, but I'm just
talking about her in general.

1016
00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:54,970
In this episode throughout,
that's what I'm saying, it kind

1017
00:58:54,970 --> 00:58:57,970
of is more evidence to talk
about her different path that

1018
00:58:57,970 --> 00:59:00,530
she's taking because of
everything that has happened.

1019
00:59:01,090 --> 00:59:03,410
But as far as you know, I I'm
not.

1020
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:07,650
I I wouldn't say that she's not
she's not pushing the knee.

1021
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:12,050
Excuse me, the Annie and kid
thing because of that lack of.

1022
00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:13,580
Come past.
She's probably like okay.

1023
00:59:13,580 --> 00:59:15,620
You know what?
This is something he obviously

1024
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:17,020
does not want to talk about
right now.

1025
00:59:17,020 --> 00:59:21,140
I'm not about to push this or I
really think she don't care too.

1026
00:59:22,180 --> 00:59:24,100
I think I didn't think.
She doesn't care.

1027
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:26,740
I don't think that's the IT has
nothing to do with Herschel.

1028
00:59:26,740 --> 00:59:28,100
It has nothing to do with
Herschel.

1029
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:31,460
She really don't.
This is not her freedom, I don't

1030
00:59:31,460 --> 00:59:33,100
think.
I don't think that's the case.

1031
00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:38,580
Because if you look at the way
that she and Annie interacted in

1032
00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:41,220
the, you know, in that final
season of The Walking Dead.

1033
00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:48,290
I think she more so was Okay.
I wanted to say Okay.

1034
00:59:49,570 --> 00:59:54,690
She dealt with Negan because
Negan came with Annie.

1035
00:59:54,690 --> 00:59:57,330
And you can see that those two
women for what?

1036
00:59:57,330 --> 01:00:01,570
At for all of their differences.
There was a little bit of a bond

1037
01:00:01,570 --> 01:00:04,610
there.
Partial even took to Annie, so I

1038
01:00:04,850 --> 01:00:07,930
I wouldn't say that.
But this has now been years and

1039
01:00:08,010 --> 01:00:10,810
I'm being honest with you.
There's people who I may have

1040
01:00:10,810 --> 01:00:14,010
known for years and I asked
about somebody they said they

1041
01:00:14,010 --> 01:00:15,810
don't want to talk about and I
move on.

1042
01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:17,810
I don't necessarily sometimes
care.

1043
01:00:17,810 --> 01:00:21,170
I'm be honest with you.
And she, she lays, she's more

1044
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:24,130
harsh than I am.
So I can see her not caring

1045
01:00:24,690 --> 01:00:27,810
because it got nothing to do
with this is not her, this is

1046
01:00:27,810 --> 01:00:29,770
not her.
They're not friends.

1047
01:00:29,770 --> 01:00:32,840
So.
I will ask because you with this

1048
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,440
other girl and I'm like, that's.
Time I saw you.

1049
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,480
You had a wife in it.
Right.

1050
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,640
And then you're like you say
those things and I move on.

1051
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,720
I'm not trying to get
information from you because she

1052
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,360
don't care about his life, even
if she met Annie.

1053
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,040
And Annie is nice and, oh, I
would have been friends with

1054
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,640
Annie in the real life on the
farm, but I don't really care.

1055
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:56,690
I don't.
I don't care.

1056
01:00:56,810 --> 01:00:58,090
I don't.
I don't know if I feel.

1057
01:00:58,130 --> 01:01:01,370
Like and it's OK, but it's not a
it's not a bad thing for it.

1058
01:01:01,370 --> 01:01:04,490
They're not friends, so it's OK.
It's not her family.

1059
01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:08,650
It's OK to to not like, OK,
well, I'm not going to get into

1060
01:01:08,650 --> 01:01:10,090
that.
Let's move on.

1061
01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:12,970
I got to get my son.
That's more important to her.

1062
01:01:14,090 --> 01:01:17,770
Because you could tell clearly
we know that's the the most

1063
01:01:17,770 --> 01:01:20,050
important thing.
That's the most important.

1064
01:01:20,050 --> 01:01:21,490
Thing.
She's just being, like, super

1065
01:01:21,490 --> 01:01:23,810
reckless with it.
But the one thing.

1066
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:29,230
That I did like was when they
was on the boat and Mia was

1067
01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:32,950
talking to her and you know
because she she being an asshole

1068
01:01:34,310 --> 01:01:37,270
and he told her just think about
all the husbands that you killed

1069
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:42,910
the Dick.
Like no granted you didn't kill

1070
01:01:42,910 --> 01:01:45,470
him in front of the wife.
Maybe.

1071
01:01:45,550 --> 01:01:50,070
We don't know.
But even still, you wiped out

1072
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:52,470
literally.
Just think of Outpost.

1073
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:56,670
If you don't think about no
other war, no other battle, no

1074
01:01:56,670 --> 01:02:00,270
other thing that y'all had just
the outpost, right?

1075
01:02:00,310 --> 01:02:05,350
How many husbands did you kill?
How many brothers and people who

1076
01:02:05,350 --> 01:02:07,270
waited for these people to come
home did you kill?

1077
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:10,510
You want to be mad at me because
I did with you?

1078
01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:13,870
No.
That also makes me think that

1079
01:02:13,870 --> 01:02:15,910
Maggie need to get that chip off
her shoulder.

1080
01:02:16,510 --> 01:02:19,510
Oh yeah, you did the same thing.
Yeah, that.

1081
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:21,030
And that's why I was saying, you
know.

1082
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:26,180
It's good that he called her on
her BS on the boat because,

1083
01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:31,020
again, here's the thing.
You obviously came to ask me for

1084
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:32,900
help because you know what I'm
capable of.

1085
01:02:34,060 --> 01:02:38,140
And you know that you're going
to need that in order to get

1086
01:02:38,140 --> 01:02:43,940
your son back.
You know, especially after Megan

1087
01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:46,860
talked to her and was like, oh,
yeah, so.

1088
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,680
A lot of crazy people in my in
my crew, but this one was like

1089
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,800
extra special with a cherry on
top.

1090
01:02:53,640 --> 01:03:00,440
Once you hear.
This and like yes, Maggie has

1091
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,800
descended into a little bit of
darkness.

1092
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,800
She has become a tough person.
She has done what needs to be

1093
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,040
done in order to protect her
people.

1094
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,400
However, I don't think.
Very well.

1095
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,600
Huh.
No, she doesn't.

1096
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:22,920
OK, I'll give you that.
But what I'm saying is you are

1097
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,040
not going to, you are never
going to be the person that

1098
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,520
Negan was.
Yes, Megan did some horrible

1099
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,760
things.
And yes, he has tried to make up

1100
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,240
for it since he has tried to
redeem himself.

1101
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:38,080
But somewhere in there, Megan
can still be that person if he

1102
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:42,640
needs to be.
And right now, Maggie needs him

1103
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:47,800
to be that person.
But he But that's the hard part.

1104
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,320
Like he feels like he made-up
for it.

1105
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:56,840
He may not be that person.
He has no motivation to really

1106
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,600
be that person for you.
There's no.

1107
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,400
Understand.
I understand that.

1108
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:05,050
That's the hard part that she
got to think about like you.

1109
01:04:05,050 --> 01:04:08,290
You got to think about maybe I
need to come at this a different

1110
01:04:08,290 --> 01:04:10,090
way.
Maybe I need to get information

1111
01:04:10,090 --> 01:04:13,530
more from him and how he became
that person, because I need to

1112
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:15,610
be that person to get my son
back.

1113
01:04:16,010 --> 01:04:22,810
But I can expect that person.
So I'm just saying that's what

1114
01:04:22,890 --> 01:04:25,370
she should come at this with
because trying to.

1115
01:04:25,830 --> 01:04:28,550
Hopefully she's not coming at
it, that he's going to turn into

1116
01:04:28,550 --> 01:04:31,070
that person because he has no
motivation.

1117
01:04:31,070 --> 01:04:34,510
You have more motivation to
become him for this moment

1118
01:04:34,790 --> 01:04:37,230
because first of all, everyone
will become what they need to

1119
01:04:37,230 --> 01:04:42,030
become to get their kid.
So she got to become Negan more.

1120
01:04:42,070 --> 01:04:45,070
Nobody is or everybody is,
right?

1121
01:04:45,070 --> 01:04:49,350
So if I have to become a Negan,
then I'm going to become a Negan

1122
01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:51,630
and you're going to have to be
OK with that because you.

1123
01:04:51,710 --> 01:04:53,470
Came to me.
Right.

1124
01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:55,630
But no, I'm talking about me.
Maggie got to be okay with.

1125
01:04:55,630 --> 01:04:58,510
She may have to become the Negan
and be that Negan.

1126
01:04:58,630 --> 01:05:01,350
And I think she'll be okay with
that because I'm getting my son.

1127
01:05:01,350 --> 01:05:04,710
This ain't because I'm trying to
get some grains and, you know,

1128
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:08,550
and help some other people.
I'm getting my kid.

1129
01:05:08,550 --> 01:05:13,470
The only, I'm sorry, blood that
I have left on this planet.

1130
01:05:15,540 --> 01:05:18,740
So if I got to be a effing
bastard, I'm going to be.

1131
01:05:18,740 --> 01:05:22,820
But see, I don't know if she has
that in her, especially after

1132
01:05:23,060 --> 01:05:27,060
the confrontation.
She tries to kill Armstrong and

1133
01:05:27,060 --> 01:05:29,620
he catches her and they have
this tussle.

1134
01:05:30,220 --> 01:05:33,660
She knocks him out and she has
the opportunity to kill him at

1135
01:05:33,980 --> 01:05:37,420
this point, which for me, you're
keeping me from saving my son.

1136
01:05:37,420 --> 01:05:41,860
I probably would have at this
point, but she hesitates.

1137
01:05:42,140 --> 01:05:44,900
And then when Negan comes in the
room and looks at her.

1138
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:49,620
It's like what he said to her on
the boat because this dude, what

1139
01:05:49,620 --> 01:05:51,300
did he do?
He introduced himself and he

1140
01:05:51,380 --> 01:05:53,060
said, I have a wife and three
daughters.

1141
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:56,900
She thought about that.
She was like, OK, so I don't

1142
01:05:56,900 --> 01:06:00,260
think, I think no matter what
the situation is now, maybe once

1143
01:06:00,260 --> 01:06:02,540
she gets to the crow at and she
actually sees her.

1144
01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:04,380
So, right.
That's when I'm talking about.

1145
01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:05,700
That's when she's going to have
to be.

1146
01:06:06,140 --> 01:06:08,940
Yeah, that is.
Have to get to him, I don't

1147
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:09,900
think.
She don't need to be.

1148
01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:10,860
I don't think.
No.

1149
01:06:10,860 --> 01:06:12,940
And that's what I'm saying.
She's going to do that when she

1150
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:16,040
gets to.
The like in the video game, the

1151
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,720
boss, she don't have to be
ruthless when she gets to the

1152
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,520
boss.
He or she don't have to kill

1153
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,080
these random people on the side
because they do have families

1154
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,360
and they may just be messengers.
They may not even know what is

1155
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,920
going on at the top.
But I I think for, OK, so for me

1156
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,960
in that situation, when this man
is on top of you with a gun

1157
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,360
trying to choke you and you say
they have my son, that's why I

1158
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,840
need him.
He so he can help me get my son

1159
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,720
back.
And Armstrong looks at her and

1160
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,280
then double s down on trying to
choke her.

1161
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,400
No, you should have killed him,
because this is a man that will

1162
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,640
come after you again.
This is the one thing, right?

1163
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,320
This is the one thing about
these characters in The Walking

1164
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,760
Dead.
Like, I understand at some point

1165
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:05,080
you want to hold on to your
humanity and you want to kind of

1166
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,000
show some mercy to people, but
you have learned in the past

1167
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,880
that that don't always work out
in your favor.

1168
01:07:12,510 --> 01:07:17,630
This man made it very clear once
you said I'm using him to save

1169
01:07:17,630 --> 01:07:19,790
my son.
You just told me you are a

1170
01:07:19,790 --> 01:07:25,630
father, so you should know that
you do whatever to save your

1171
01:07:26,030 --> 01:07:28,990
children.
So you going to still try to

1172
01:07:28,990 --> 01:07:32,630
kill me once I tell you that
this is my, this is my motive.

1173
01:07:32,670 --> 01:07:35,190
I'm This is why I have him.
This is why I've been breaking

1174
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:39,070
bones all up the coast.
Because somebody took my son and

1175
01:07:39,070 --> 01:07:41,430
I'm trying to get him, you know?
At this.

1176
01:07:42,110 --> 01:07:43,750
Point.
Well then I have a question.

1177
01:07:43,950 --> 01:07:46,150
When she had that little knife
in that boot, did she kill

1178
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:47,710
anybody in the bar?
She.

1179
01:07:47,710 --> 01:07:50,350
Stabbed Michelle Her's character
with.

1180
01:07:51,150 --> 01:07:52,590
It OK, I thought.
She OK?

1181
01:07:52,990 --> 01:07:57,910
Well, hey, Michelle could have
bled out now so she could have

1182
01:07:57,910 --> 01:08:00,830
killed this other friend.
I'm just saying.

1183
01:08:00,830 --> 01:08:03,990
I'm just.
I'm just.

1184
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:06,310
Saying.
She only she didn't.

1185
01:08:06,310 --> 01:08:08,710
She didn't because of that
conversation they had on the

1186
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:10,930
boat.
She Hey, that's why I.

1187
01:08:11,650 --> 01:08:13,890
Said yeah, that's only because
he had that conversation with

1188
01:08:13,890 --> 01:08:15,170
her.
So she trying to prove a point.

1189
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:19,970
Girl, don't prove a point now,
just go ahead, right?

1190
01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:21,210
And that's what's going to
happen.

1191
01:08:22,170 --> 01:08:24,370
But otherwise she would have
killed.

1192
01:08:24,930 --> 01:08:26,890
Him.
Yeah, but I think at the same

1193
01:08:26,890 --> 01:08:30,250
time, like, I know that there's
a line, she says.

1194
01:08:30,250 --> 01:08:32,609
Somewhere down the line.
Because you see it in the in the

1195
01:08:32,609 --> 01:08:37,010
promos for the show.
Where she says, what was it?

1196
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:39,010
It takes a monster to make a
monster.

1197
01:08:39,010 --> 01:08:41,729
I don't know if she was talking
about herself, if she was

1198
01:08:41,729 --> 01:08:44,050
talking about him.
The crow at I I don't know.

1199
01:08:44,050 --> 01:08:48,850
But if you think about it, like,
I don't think Maggie wants to

1200
01:08:48,850 --> 01:08:53,010
get to that point in every the
fact that Negan has to be the

1201
01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:56,569
person to remind you or to say
something to you to be like, yo,

1202
01:08:56,569 --> 01:08:58,649
look, bitch, you ain't too far
from where I am.

1203
01:08:59,970 --> 01:09:02,880
She's she.
I think she's trying to hold on

1204
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,560
to that, but like as the years
go by, again, we don't know

1205
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,760
what's been going on these last
5-6 years.

1206
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,479
We don't.
We don't know why she ended up

1207
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,319
on the Croats radar.
We don't know how they they

1208
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,680
found them or whatever the case
may be.

1209
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:20,319
We we don't know, but all.
I know is they bet not.

1210
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:26,160
They bet not Have him gunning
for her like the Pope was and we

1211
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,080
never fucking find out why.
It better be a fucking reason.

1212
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,680
Because other than that, what's
the point of the show?

1213
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,240
Yeah, better have a reason,
because what the fuck did Maggie

1214
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,399
do?
She been doing some things, see,

1215
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,520
we given a lot of crap.
She must be doing something.

1216
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,960
I mean, but she's.
We don't know what she did when

1217
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,680
she was with Georgie.
I know because she keeps getting

1218
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,279
on these lists.
Now I I have an issue.

1219
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:54,080
Come on now.
And like Maggie spent Pope spent

1220
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:58,520
so much of his time and and and
and people.

1221
01:09:59,130 --> 01:10:05,650
Trying to trying to kill her and
we we like what you came into

1222
01:10:05,650 --> 01:10:10,650
her community and and and killed
people and now you're what?

1223
01:10:10,650 --> 01:10:13,250
Because she got away.
She's on your list but she got

1224
01:10:13,250 --> 01:10:14,650
away with a whole bunch of other
people.

1225
01:10:14,650 --> 01:10:17,650
What was it about her that made
it special?

1226
01:10:17,810 --> 01:10:20,850
She had to have fucked with him
or did something and of course

1227
01:10:20,850 --> 01:10:24,530
like you said we never found
that out and from I think from

1228
01:10:24,530 --> 01:10:28,010
what I understand I I read
another interview maybe a few

1229
01:10:28,010 --> 01:10:31,520
weeks ago.
That was talking about the

1230
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:35,240
following season, or that
season, and the following season

1231
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,200
was supposed to explore more of
the Reapers.

1232
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:43,480
But of course they decided to
end the show, so they had to cut

1233
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:46,040
a lot of that out.
So I think that's one reason why

1234
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,080
it felt disjointed, because that
didn't make sense.

1235
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:54,960
None of that made sense to me,
so, right.

1236
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:59,740
But anyway, so we.
Look, we'll have to do a whole

1237
01:10:59,740 --> 01:11:04,100
other show panel, whatever,
talking about Maggie and and her

1238
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:06,660
complex, the complexity of her
character, because we can sit

1239
01:11:06,700 --> 01:11:10,140
here for a long time.
So.

1240
01:11:10,380 --> 01:11:13,820
So let's move on, because I want
to talk about Manhattan a little

1241
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:18,220
bit because we do get Maggie
Negan and like I said, they they

1242
01:11:18,220 --> 01:11:22,420
kidnapped one of the marshals,
deputies, trainees, whatever you

1243
01:11:22,420 --> 01:11:25,700
want to call it.
They go by boat to Manhattan.

1244
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:29,530
And of course, Manhattan looks
like it's been bombed out.

1245
01:11:29,850 --> 01:11:34,130
The bridge is gone, You have all
these walkers.

1246
01:11:34,410 --> 01:11:38,690
But the crazy thing is when they
finally get in the streets, the

1247
01:11:38,690 --> 01:11:43,970
streets are eerily empty.
And I was like that.

1248
01:11:45,010 --> 01:11:48,730
There's so many people on this
island, and yet these streets

1249
01:11:48,730 --> 01:11:50,530
are empty.
They have to be doing something.

1250
01:11:50,530 --> 01:11:53,250
And of course there's this.
There's this building in the

1251
01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:56,050
distance that has smoke coming
from it.

1252
01:11:56,370 --> 01:12:00,290
Nobody knows what the smoke is.
Maggie says that she sees it

1253
01:12:00,290 --> 01:12:02,050
once in the morning, once in the
evening.

1254
01:12:02,330 --> 01:12:05,450
So I don't know if they're
cooking.

1255
01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:09,530
I kind of feel like they may be
Lauren Walker's to wherever it

1256
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:13,610
is and burning.
That fire is way too big to be

1257
01:12:13,610 --> 01:12:15,290
cooking.
And it's so dark.

1258
01:12:16,290 --> 01:12:18,650
So that's kind of what I think
it is, but.

1259
01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:21,650
Manhattan is interesting because
when they come into the, when

1260
01:12:21,650 --> 01:12:24,330
they come into the city, when
they come into the streets, you

1261
01:12:24,330 --> 01:12:27,770
see all these walkers on the
ground and those walkers look

1262
01:12:27,770 --> 01:12:30,970
smashed.
And we already know where this

1263
01:12:30,970 --> 01:12:33,850
is going because we've seen it
in the promos as they're walking

1264
01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:38,210
down the street, all of a sudden
a Walker falls into a car and

1265
01:12:38,210 --> 01:12:40,450
then you just start seeing
walkers just falling from the

1266
01:12:40,450 --> 01:12:42,970
sky.
But they are around a whole,

1267
01:12:42,970 --> 01:12:45,010
they're in the middle of
Manhattan.

1268
01:12:45,210 --> 01:12:47,690
There's all these different
buildings, so I'm assuming

1269
01:12:47,690 --> 01:12:51,130
there's windows open somewhere
and walkers are just walking off

1270
01:12:52,290 --> 01:12:58,570
the but it's like how many
walkers are still in those?

1271
01:12:58,610 --> 01:13:02,450
It like, again, this is almost
20 years down the line.

1272
01:13:03,690 --> 01:13:07,770
Yeah, you know, it's ended over
like 5 million people in in new.

1273
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:10,570
York, but not on, not on all
them floors.

1274
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,320
Like at some point, but.
No, because if they if they

1275
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,280
bombed the the the bridges and
can't nobody get out, you stuck

1276
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,920
there.
Yeah, you go home and and they

1277
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,800
probably had martial law.
You had to be in the house.

1278
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,000
People are dying in the
building.

1279
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:30,480
I understand what I'm saying.
If you think about the floors in

1280
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:34,040
those buildings.
Even if they have 2000 people to

1281
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,720
a floor over the course of 20
years?

1282
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,720
You mean to tell me if there's
an open window there?

1283
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,160
Those walkers haven't already
all fallen out?

1284
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,040
That makes no sense.
Because.

1285
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,760
No, not no sound.
Nothing's happening night.

1286
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,560
Scrapers are built to to within
you, just trying to jump from

1287
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,240
the building.
But how then how are they

1288
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,320
getting out the building if if
they're I thought?

1289
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,110
Somebody was throwing them.
No, no, I thought they were

1290
01:14:02,110 --> 01:14:03,830
falling out because of the
noise.

1291
01:14:04,270 --> 01:14:06,750
But there was no noise.
They following the sound of the

1292
01:14:06,750 --> 01:14:09,030
other walkers.
You don't.

1293
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:11,550
You don't remember the truck
that was playing the music

1294
01:14:11,550 --> 01:14:13,750
lowering the walkers?
Oh, I did see the truck.

1295
01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:18,510
Yeah, and I'm sure that's how
they're clearing the streets,

1296
01:14:18,910 --> 01:14:22,030
but they're also, they've laid
traps and all this other stuff.

1297
01:14:22,030 --> 01:14:26,950
But again, like, even if you
have a whole bunch of walkers on

1298
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:31,180
the floor.
And at some point, if y'all got

1299
01:14:31,340 --> 01:14:34,660
open windows, the the Walker
should all be like.

1300
01:14:34,940 --> 01:14:37,940
I know that there's probably
other floors on those buildings

1301
01:14:37,940 --> 01:14:40,220
that are, they probably still
have.

1302
01:14:40,220 --> 01:14:41,620
Walkers.
It could.

1303
01:14:41,620 --> 01:14:44,500
It could.
Because remember, Walking Dead,

1304
01:14:45,540 --> 01:14:49,540
they go.
Dormant, They do what?

1305
01:14:50,900 --> 01:14:54,980
They remember the dormant
walkers, they they was all just

1306
01:14:54,980 --> 01:14:57,940
laying and if you high enough on
the floor.

1307
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,720
You can't hear what's going on
on the ground.

1308
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:02,040
Yeah.
OK.

1309
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,160
I'll, I'll give you that one.
They're they're just dormant.

1310
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,160
There's there's nothing to
agitate them.

1311
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,640
There's nothing to make them
like, hey, what's that noise?

1312
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,280
So they just, you know, in a
state of dormancy.

1313
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,320
I guess, but it's like once a
Walker body hits a car and

1314
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,120
smashes windows, that starts
making noise because you notice

1315
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,960
there there's tended to be more
falling down, but.

1316
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:30,310
Anyway, I'm not going to spend
too much time on that.

1317
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:32,150
It was just an interesting
thought to me.

1318
01:15:32,150 --> 01:15:35,750
Like y'all still got walkers on
the floors, That's just randomly

1319
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:41,390
falling after all this time.
But anyways, so they're dodging

1320
01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:47,790
falling walkers and we noticed
that there's a mysterious figure

1321
01:15:47,790 --> 01:15:49,510
at the top of one of the
buildings.

1322
01:15:49,870 --> 01:15:52,710
And you know, I thought at the
same time, So I was like, is she

1323
01:15:52,710 --> 01:15:54,430
throwing walkers?
But then again, I don't see

1324
01:15:54,430 --> 01:15:56,710
somebody just being on a a
rooftop.

1325
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:00,040
With walkers, just, I I don't
know, not somebody.

1326
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,920
Yeah, especially not somebody
who looks like she might be an

1327
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:10,640
old lady.
So anyway, less OK.

1328
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:18,000
So like we said, there was a,
there was somebody driving some

1329
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,400
kind of truck or whatever,
playing music while they were

1330
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,310
walking through the streets.
And you know, they're looking

1331
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:26,430
like, what is this?
And then of course, you see the

1332
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:29,710
the walkers kind of coming.
Some of the walkers start

1333
01:16:29,710 --> 01:16:32,910
heading towards them because
they're like, oh, dinner.

1334
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:37,350
OK, let's go over here.
So, Negan, I forgot what the

1335
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:40,870
other guy's name is.
And Maggie, they go hide behind

1336
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:46,430
these trash bags.
Now while they're sitting here

1337
01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:49,430
hiding, sudden you hear the
chittering.

1338
01:16:49,930 --> 01:16:53,490
And you see that there are
cockroaches that that are

1339
01:16:53,490 --> 01:16:57,410
crawling over them, like all in
the hair, all on the face.

1340
01:16:57,730 --> 01:17:01,530
And I was like, I will face the
walkers.

1341
01:17:02,210 --> 01:17:05,010
New York cockroaches.
Hell to the no.

1342
01:17:06,730 --> 01:17:10,130
I was so weird it out.
Girl.

1343
01:17:10,130 --> 01:17:15,490
Everybody was like, I like how
was like, Nope.

1344
01:17:17,460 --> 01:17:20,900
Because what was it the guy, he
actually, he pulled one of the

1345
01:17:20,900 --> 01:17:23,500
trash bags.
He was trying to, you know, he

1346
01:17:23,500 --> 01:17:26,900
was trying to get the roaches
off of him and he kind of, I

1347
01:17:26,900 --> 01:17:28,620
guess, loses balance or
whatever.

1348
01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:31,220
He touches one of the trash bags
and when he pulls the bag back,

1349
01:17:31,460 --> 01:17:35,020
you see all they look like the
scarabs from the mummy.

1350
01:17:35,260 --> 01:17:39,900
That's how they were scattering.
They look like the scarabs from

1351
01:17:39,940 --> 01:17:42,020
the mummy, and they're all over
each other.

1352
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:46,870
And yeah, Negan was like, Nope.
And they get up and they leave

1353
01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:49,390
and they start going towards the
the walkers.

1354
01:17:49,390 --> 01:17:51,590
Like, I guess they're like, OK,
you know what if I got to face

1355
01:17:51,590 --> 01:17:54,550
walkers or cockroaches, I'm
facing these walkers.

1356
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:59,790
And then you see the machine
gunfire going through the crowd

1357
01:17:59,790 --> 01:18:05,230
because Pearly Armstrong and his
other person Grits was his name

1358
01:18:05,950 --> 01:18:08,150
has come because they're looking
for their person.

1359
01:18:08,430 --> 01:18:12,010
So they go into this building.
That used to be a dry cleaners

1360
01:18:12,210 --> 01:18:14,730
and they're trying to figure out
a way to get out of there.

1361
01:18:14,730 --> 01:18:18,130
And that's when Pearly comes in
and like I said, he starts doing

1362
01:18:18,130 --> 01:18:20,330
this monologue to Maggie, who is
hiding.

1363
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:23,170
He's like miss, you know, my
name is Pearly Armstrong.

1364
01:18:23,170 --> 01:18:26,010
I'm one of the marshals.
What did he like?

1365
01:18:26,010 --> 01:18:28,770
I said, what did he say?
I don't drink, I don't smoke,

1366
01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:30,930
blah, blah, blah.
I have a, you know, I have a

1367
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:34,490
wife and three kids and, you
know, I just want you to know

1368
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:37,090
what kind of people you're
dealing with and blah, blah,

1369
01:18:37,090 --> 01:18:38,210
blah.
I don't know why you're with

1370
01:18:38,210 --> 01:18:41,040
this guy.
But maybe you can come out and

1371
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,760
tell me he was like because if I
have to come find you, I'm going

1372
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,400
to be a little less open.
No, that again, you are not

1373
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:53,120
endearing me to your character
by the way that you were doing

1374
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:59,560
this because you know you just
you are you seem like the shoot

1375
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,040
first asked questions later type
person which we see that

1376
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:07,280
happening because while he's
talking to Maggie, Megan and the

1377
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,120
other guy they're kind of
crouched.

1378
01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:14,910
Trying to hide from him, this
very silent Walker comes from

1379
01:19:14,910 --> 01:19:19,950
behind and attacks.
You know the other guy and he

1380
01:19:19,950 --> 01:19:22,230
falls on top of him.
Now this is it.

1381
01:19:22,630 --> 01:19:24,510
Okay.
This city is pushing the limits

1382
01:19:24,510 --> 01:19:29,030
on the growth factor because not
only do we get the whole all the

1383
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:32,830
cockroaches this Walker is on
top of, dude.

1384
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,440
Has blood coming out of his
mouth now.

1385
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:39,280
First of all, y'all need to stop
having your mouth open when

1386
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,960
you're around walkers.
I thought about this when Maggie

1387
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:48,760
was killed.
You got all the blood.

1388
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,520
So the blood from this Walker,
We see something coming out of

1389
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,160
his mouth.
And I was like, what the fuck am

1390
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:57,840
I watching?
Is this the Last of Us?

1391
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,400
Because something is coming out
the mouth.

1392
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,880
It was a fucking rat's tail
because there was a rat.

1393
01:20:03,250 --> 01:20:06,370
In the throat of the Walker.
And it was coming out as the

1394
01:20:06,370 --> 01:20:08,090
Walker was trying to bite this
dude.

1395
01:20:09,850 --> 01:20:12,570
I was like, y'all all about
showing us the gross stuff

1396
01:20:12,770 --> 01:20:17,130
today.
So anyway, Megan kills the

1397
01:20:17,130 --> 01:20:21,690
Walker, he pulls the guy up and
he's telling him he's like,

1398
01:20:21,690 --> 01:20:25,610
look, you when I tell you to
move, you need to move, all of a

1399
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:27,210
sudden you hear Pearly
Armstrong.

1400
01:20:27,210 --> 01:20:31,370
Megan turns and kind of moves
back.

1401
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,800
Curly kills his own person.
I'm like, first of all, your aim

1402
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:42,480
is shit.
Second of all, shoot first, ask

1403
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:44,440
questions later.
Like, dude, you just killed your

1404
01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:48,800
own person and got your ass
kicked in the process.

1405
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:55,920
Because Maggie, you know she did
end up, you know they they ended

1406
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:00,160
up fighting and she ended up
knocking him out.

1407
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:04,380
So I'm like all this for
nothing, your boy grits.

1408
01:21:04,540 --> 01:21:06,620
Who?
OK, I'm going to say it.

1409
01:21:06,620 --> 01:21:12,700
Nothing against the actor.
Waste of screen time because

1410
01:21:12,700 --> 01:21:16,700
this this dude not only says
nothing in the entire episode,

1411
01:21:16,940 --> 01:21:19,620
he gets killed by Walker's
standing guard.

1412
01:21:20,140 --> 01:21:22,540
Now I was kind of wondering
about this character because I

1413
01:21:22,540 --> 01:21:24,420
was like, he has not uttered a
word.

1414
01:21:26,930 --> 01:21:29,890
But walkers are sitting there
trying to come through the door,

1415
01:21:29,930 --> 01:21:32,450
and he's paying attention to the
other side.

1416
01:21:33,170 --> 01:21:38,370
I was kind of wondering at first
if he was maybe death because he

1417
01:21:38,370 --> 01:21:43,170
didn't act like a person who was
like, I'm sorry if I have a

1418
01:21:43,170 --> 01:21:46,410
whole horde of walkers trying to
get through glass doors to get

1419
01:21:46,410 --> 01:21:48,930
to me.
I'm not having my back turn.

1420
01:21:49,650 --> 01:21:51,770
I'm going to be facing those
doors.

1421
01:21:52,460 --> 01:21:55,420
To make sure, and I understand,
you were probably trying to make

1422
01:21:55,420 --> 01:21:58,940
sure that Maggie and Megan, they
didn't, they didn't come out,

1423
01:22:00,060 --> 01:22:02,180
But when?
The glass is breaking.

1424
01:22:02,180 --> 01:22:05,900
Something should go.
Something should have told him,

1425
01:22:06,020 --> 01:22:07,820
OK, you know what?
They're about to get in.

1426
01:22:08,020 --> 01:22:12,380
Let me get the fuck out of here.
But he didn't do anything.

1427
01:22:12,380 --> 01:22:15,220
I will stick it out.
I'm going to stand right here.

1428
01:22:15,220 --> 01:22:18,420
I'm not leaving my post.
Right, right.

1429
01:22:18,860 --> 01:22:22,640
And now, now you did.
I was just like That was the

1430
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:27,640
waste That was the waste of a
character like good kudos.

1431
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,720
Do you forget a paycheck for not
having to do much?

1432
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:40,880
But what was the point anyway?
So, well, no, they needed an

1433
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,840
extra.
So when they killed off 2, it

1434
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:47,800
didn't seem like, although they
did give the one couple more

1435
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,720
lines he lasted a little long
one to do.

1436
01:22:51,090 --> 01:22:54,370
I guess like we only go it's
three of y'all but only two of

1437
01:22:54,370 --> 01:22:55,250
y'all.
Gonna get a check.

1438
01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:57,330
Right.
Because what's gonna end up

1439
01:22:57,330 --> 01:23:02,690
happening is the sheriff is
gonna be a part of Negan and

1440
01:23:02,690 --> 01:23:05,170
Maggie's crew 'cause now it's
gonna be three of them.

1441
01:23:08,930 --> 01:23:11,810
He he probably got that gross
thing like Maggie got going on.

1442
01:23:11,810 --> 01:23:14,290
Ohh no he gonna get.
They gonna end up, they gonna

1443
01:23:14,290 --> 01:23:16,970
end up working together, 'cause
they gonna have to survive this

1444
01:23:16,970 --> 01:23:18,370
now.
He go get his man.

1445
01:23:19,060 --> 01:23:23,220
I guess before now Megan Negan
to lift his ass in and knocked

1446
01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:24,980
out.
I guess they were like okay, if

1447
01:23:24,980 --> 01:23:26,580
the walkers get you, the walkers
get you.

1448
01:23:26,580 --> 01:23:30,540
Which of course we see that that
probably didn't happen because

1449
01:23:30,540 --> 01:23:34,620
when they go back to show all
three of the crew, you see the

1450
01:23:34,620 --> 01:23:37,220
walkers eating the one, you see
the walkers eating the other.

1451
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:40,820
And then right there where
Armstrong was knocked out, he's

1452
01:23:40,820 --> 01:23:42,900
no longer there, but his hat is
still there.

1453
01:23:42,900 --> 01:23:44,660
So I was like, okay, he done got
up and left.

1454
01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:47,340
Or he done got up and moved or
did something.

1455
01:23:47,460 --> 01:23:52,620
He was like, I'm not about to
become y'all's dessert, right?

1456
01:23:52,780 --> 01:23:55,620
So Maggie and Megan, they go,
they go further into the

1457
01:23:55,620 --> 01:23:58,180
building, they come into this
room and it looks like a

1458
01:23:58,180 --> 01:24:01,340
seamstress room, which again,
this is a dry cleaner.

1459
01:24:01,340 --> 01:24:03,860
So it probably, you know, one of
those places that does dry

1460
01:24:03,860 --> 01:24:07,660
cleaning and alterations.
So they have.

1461
01:24:09,340 --> 01:24:12,780
Was it a match that they lit or
a flashlight or something?

1462
01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:15,260
Because they were using it to
kind of see around the room And

1463
01:24:15,460 --> 01:24:18,300
then you see this old lady and
she knocks the light out.

1464
01:24:18,700 --> 01:24:20,740
It was a match because she blew
it out.

1465
01:24:20,740 --> 01:24:21,940
Okay.
That's what I thought.

1466
01:24:21,940 --> 01:24:28,620
Okay.
So after we see that, we get a

1467
01:24:28,620 --> 01:24:33,140
shot of Herschel and the Croat.
Herschel is in a chair.

1468
01:24:33,420 --> 01:24:37,260
He's bound and shackled, which
again, looking at him, he looks

1469
01:24:37,260 --> 01:24:42,300
like he has to be like.
Maybe 1314 because he he's

1470
01:24:42,340 --> 01:24:47,660
actually kind of tall, he's he's
quite solid and he has a bit of

1471
01:24:47,660 --> 01:24:49,620
a deep voice.
So I don't think he's like

1472
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:52,740
young, young.
I don't think he's like late

1473
01:24:52,740 --> 01:24:55,140
teenagers either.
So he's got to be somewhere like

1474
01:24:55,140 --> 01:24:57,980
right in that, right in that
puberty stage.

1475
01:24:57,980 --> 01:25:02,460
So somewhere between I would say
13 and 15 is what he looks like

1476
01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:08,140
and you know.
The Croat is coming at him and

1477
01:25:08,140 --> 01:25:11,820
he's, you know, saying all of
these things, you know, talking

1478
01:25:11,820 --> 01:25:14,460
about Negan, the person he's.
What was it?

1479
01:25:14,460 --> 01:25:16,780
He told Herschel.
He was like, yeah, you seem like

1480
01:25:16,780 --> 01:25:21,180
a tough kid, like your mom,
probably like your dad.

1481
01:25:21,460 --> 01:25:23,140
Do you know the person who
killed your dad?

1482
01:25:23,140 --> 01:25:25,620
You know, he lived amongst your
mother's people for a while.

1483
01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:28,580
His name was Negan.
And you kind of see Herschel

1484
01:25:28,700 --> 01:25:31,100
bristle at that.
And then.

1485
01:25:31,450 --> 01:25:34,210
He's trying to get information
from Herschel, Batney Gang and

1486
01:25:34,210 --> 01:25:37,890
Herschel pulls a little tough
boy, the tough guy at he was

1487
01:25:37,890 --> 01:25:40,130
like, you can do what you want.
I ain't telling you shit.

1488
01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:42,810
I was like, yeah, that's
definitely not an 1112 year old.

1489
01:25:46,010 --> 01:25:48,290
Yeah, he's like, OK, I'm about
to play this game with you.

1490
01:25:48,610 --> 01:25:51,890
He starts pulling out these
little tools that you always see

1491
01:25:51,890 --> 01:25:54,690
in movies and TV shows where
people used to torture people.

1492
01:25:55,330 --> 01:25:58,330
And as he's pulling out these
tools, you start to see Herschel

1493
01:25:58,330 --> 01:26:01,290
revert into a child.
Like, he starts acting properly,

1494
01:26:01,290 --> 01:26:04,370
like, oh shit, I'm scared.
This, this, this dude is nuts.

1495
01:26:05,130 --> 01:26:09,130
And the Croat looks like he's
about to use one of the tools on

1496
01:26:09,130 --> 01:26:12,050
Herschel when someone comes in
and it's like, oh, this, you

1497
01:26:12,050 --> 01:26:15,250
know, he escaped.
So apparently they were holding

1498
01:26:15,250 --> 01:26:19,050
somebody else hostage, somebody
that the Croat wanted

1499
01:26:19,050 --> 01:26:20,930
information about this guy's
people.

1500
01:26:21,090 --> 01:26:23,410
So I was like, okay, is this one
of Maggie's people, or is this

1501
01:26:23,410 --> 01:26:27,800
somebody from another community?
We don't know this guy is

1502
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,160
running.
He's trying to get away.

1503
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:34,560
He looks up and sees a zip line.
And I was like, oh okay.

1504
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,160
So we're going to divergent
route.

1505
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:39,160
We're going to have zip lines
going all across the city.

1506
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:43,720
Okay, cool.
But this zip line goes right

1507
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,800
down into the court courtyard
when when enough weight is on it

1508
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,640
to where the crow at is.
And apparently this is not the

1509
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,680
first time someone has tried to
escape him.

1510
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:58,160
From zip line because he cuts
the zip line, the dude falls 20

1511
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,920
stories to his death and the
crow act kind of reaches over

1512
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:06,680
the the the balcony.
He was like 20 stories.

1513
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,280
I think that's a record.
So obviously this is not the

1514
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:14,320
first time he has killed someone
trying to use the zip line, but

1515
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,930
I was like okay so.
I don't know how that's going to

1516
01:27:17,930 --> 01:27:20,290
factor because again, we don't
know who this person was.

1517
01:27:20,290 --> 01:27:22,570
We don't know what community
he's from, We don't know why the

1518
01:27:22,570 --> 01:27:26,610
Croat had him or whatever.
But you kind of get an idea just

1519
01:27:26,610 --> 01:27:30,690
in these last few minutes of the
mindset of the Croat.

1520
01:27:30,690 --> 01:27:34,010
And you do realize that he is a
little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

1521
01:27:36,970 --> 01:27:38,570
Oh, is he?
I didn't even notice that.

1522
01:27:39,850 --> 01:27:40,930
Oh.
OK.

1523
01:27:41,210 --> 01:27:43,050
Oh, yes, I do remember that.
Yes.

1524
01:27:43,290 --> 01:27:44,610
So yeah, he's missing.
It.

1525
01:27:45,630 --> 01:27:47,750
When I saw it, after she
explained it, it was he.

1526
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:51,830
He was from Sanctuary.
I thought Megan burned it.

1527
01:27:52,430 --> 01:27:55,270
Remember, Let decided to wait.
Oh, OK.

1528
01:27:55,470 --> 01:27:58,590
OK.
That's what it's giving me, burn

1529
01:27:58,590 --> 01:28:00,390
vibes.
OK, OK.

1530
01:28:00,550 --> 01:28:03,950
Which would make sense as to why
he won't Megan fucking dead.

1531
01:28:05,310 --> 01:28:08,110
Could be, but see, at this
point, we don't know it.

1532
01:28:08,110 --> 01:28:12,830
Will you know what?
We know that because they've

1533
01:28:12,910 --> 01:28:14,550
been saying that all through the
previews.

1534
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:17,510
Yeah, through the previous.
But as of this episode, we don't

1535
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:19,590
know that.
We don't know that he wants.

1536
01:28:19,630 --> 01:28:24,710
Yeah, I'm.
I'm just saying at the the

1537
01:28:24,710 --> 01:28:27,790
reasoning behind him wanting
Megan.

1538
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:30,550
Yeah, we know he's an
antagonist.

1539
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:34,230
But I'm just saying this being
one of the reasons.

1540
01:28:34,510 --> 01:28:40,190
So I wonder if he used Mag if he
if he's using Herschel to get to

1541
01:28:40,190 --> 01:28:43,850
Maggie to get to Megan?
I mean, because other than that,

1542
01:28:43,850 --> 01:28:46,570
why would you mention the
Herschel about the fact that

1543
01:28:46,570 --> 01:28:49,970
Negan was part of Maggie's
community and all this other

1544
01:28:49,970 --> 01:28:51,930
stuff like?
I mean, well, he also knows

1545
01:28:51,930 --> 01:28:54,810
that.
That Negan killed Glenn.

1546
01:28:55,930 --> 01:28:58,210
Yeah, but every.
I mean, if you were part of

1547
01:28:58,210 --> 01:28:59,530
Sanctuary, you know that.
Yeah.

1548
01:28:59,970 --> 01:29:04,370
But I don't know.
I don't know it he.

1549
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,560
He does seem like, you know,
like I said he he's got to screw

1550
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,520
loose.
So that's going to be

1551
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,320
interesting to see exactly what
the motivation is for his

1552
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:14,800
character.
Like what is his?

1553
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,920
As says modus operandi?
Like why are you targeting

1554
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:20,360
Maggie?
What?

1555
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:21,560
What?
What was the purpose?

1556
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,840
Like, why did you take Herschel?
Why did you come after her?

1557
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:29,440
Like, was it that once you
realize that this is this is the

1558
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:32,280
person who leads the community
that you rated, you were like,

1559
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,290
oh, okay, well, let me.
I don't know.

1560
01:29:35,530 --> 01:29:38,730
Because in my mind are you
taking Herschel from Maggie?

1561
01:29:40,210 --> 01:29:42,770
I don't know if I would think,
oh, OK well, Maggie is going to

1562
01:29:42,770 --> 01:29:46,130
go to Negan, you know, and and
draw him out and bring him to

1563
01:29:46,130 --> 01:29:48,090
me.
I again, I don't know.

1564
01:29:48,090 --> 01:29:49,650
It just.
Anybody thinking?

1565
01:29:49,730 --> 01:29:50,970
I don't.
I don't think they were thinking

1566
01:29:50,970 --> 01:29:55,010
like that, OK?
And that's just too, too, too,

1567
01:29:55,930 --> 01:29:58,210
too far.
Yeah, too, too involved in.

1568
01:29:58,210 --> 01:30:02,410
OK, the other thing I did want
to talk about about this

1569
01:30:02,410 --> 01:30:06,240
episode.
Y'all could have gave us a

1570
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:10,200
fucking warning before Y'all
showed us Maggie's a nightmare,

1571
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,680
because those sequences I did
not need to see again that has

1572
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:17,760
been etched into my brain.
I did not need to see Glenn

1573
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,360
being killed in that way again.
But you know, I've never

1574
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:25,600
rewatched that episode.
I've seen it twice and that's it

1575
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:30,040
me sing.
I've seen it once too much for

1576
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:31,770
me.
And I'm like, Oh yeah, I won't

1577
01:30:31,770 --> 01:30:33,730
be watching.
That's the only episode I've

1578
01:30:33,970 --> 01:30:35,570
only seen one time.
Yeah.

1579
01:30:35,770 --> 01:30:39,170
And then have that flashback.
I was like, the fuck.

1580
01:30:39,570 --> 01:30:44,210
I girl when when I saw it, I
thought they were just going to

1581
01:30:44,210 --> 01:30:47,770
show the part where he like you.
You see him lift Lucille.

1582
01:30:48,690 --> 01:30:50,570
I thought it was just going to
stop.

1583
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:52,730
No, y'all had to show us
everything.

1584
01:30:52,730 --> 01:30:56,090
You had to show us Glenn's face.
And as much as I don't want

1585
01:30:56,650 --> 01:30:57,490
Rick's.
Face.

1586
01:30:58,010 --> 01:31:01,150
I'm sitting here doing this.
Because I'm like, how much of

1587
01:31:01,150 --> 01:31:04,110
this are y'all going to show?
And y'all showed way too fucking

1588
01:31:04,110 --> 01:31:06,510
much They.
Didn't show the whole thing.

1589
01:31:08,750 --> 01:31:10,710
I was like I did not need to see
that.

1590
01:31:11,670 --> 01:31:15,470
But I know why they did.
It and I understand why they did

1591
01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:18,550
it.
But it's really, it was really

1592
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:24,990
for the new people because they
won't get why they have feelings

1593
01:31:24,990 --> 01:31:27,870
like this towards each.
Other I don't think anybody

1594
01:31:27,870 --> 01:31:31,090
who's not.
Already invested in The Walking

1595
01:31:31,090 --> 01:31:34,890
Dead universe is like new people
are not watching this show.

1596
01:31:35,650 --> 01:31:37,410
Yeah, they are.
Yeah they are.

1597
01:31:39,250 --> 01:31:43,650
And yeah because some of these
people are are they didn't they

1598
01:31:43,650 --> 01:31:48,970
came towards the end so they may
have not seen the that season

1599
01:31:48,970 --> 01:31:50,650
when all of this came down to
it.

1600
01:31:50,650 --> 01:31:53,050
I.
Have a hard time believing that.

1601
01:31:53,330 --> 01:31:56,450
I really do, because most
people.

1602
01:31:57,860 --> 01:32:01,300
Because even even in our panel
there was someone who didn't see

1603
01:32:01,300 --> 01:32:04,060
the beginning.
They started like the last two

1604
01:32:04,060 --> 01:32:08,140
seasons and they said they were
going to go back and catch up.

1605
01:32:08,700 --> 01:32:13,900
So you have people that do that.
I guess, I don't know, maybe I'm

1606
01:32:13,940 --> 01:32:17,700
just a different type of fan or
different type of viewer because

1607
01:32:17,700 --> 01:32:21,550
if I am watching a show.
That is based on established

1608
01:32:21,550 --> 01:32:23,990
characters and I'm want you
know, I'm paying attention to

1609
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:26,550
all the the promos and
everything for this show.

1610
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:29,870
I'm gonna do some background
research like okay.

1611
01:32:29,870 --> 01:32:33,070
So why do these two characters
have a show together and then

1612
01:32:33,070 --> 01:32:35,430
when you do that, you're gonna
find out the background of them

1613
01:32:35,470 --> 01:32:36,670
anyway.
I don't know, I guess.

1614
01:32:36,670 --> 01:32:39,070
Like I said, I guess.
Yeah, because you you do that

1615
01:32:39,150 --> 01:32:41,030
and then this is what you also
do.

1616
01:32:42,150 --> 01:32:45,790
Two, which is talk about the
show, but you and we have, I

1617
01:32:45,790 --> 01:32:48,230
have heard you guys talk about
this and I've talked about this

1618
01:32:48,230 --> 01:32:50,510
with you.
There's some people are not that

1619
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:55,150
invested, but there's not like
literally we go to the movies,

1620
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:59,160
we watch the show, we come back.
And and watch people talk and

1621
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:02,520
listen to people talk about we
watch the episode of something

1622
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:08,120
we literally 5 seconds later go
and people not doing that and if

1623
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,840
they see a good preview or
something, they're like oh this

1624
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,120
show looks interesting.
No, wait a minute.

1625
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,920
They're on season six.
I don't have time to go back and

1626
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,960
watch season one through 5.
I just watch season 6 and watch

1627
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,520
recaps and ask other people what
happened.

1628
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,600
Other people will tell you Negan
killed Glenn and you're like,

1629
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,120
OK, I get that.
But now they showed you what

1630
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:32,760
that shit really look like, so
now you really understand me.

1631
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:37,160
This shit again, You know, for
them, they're like, oh, this is

1632
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,120
reason why she hate them.
It's not just a simple killing.

1633
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:44,110
I mean, this was devastating.
Look on YouTube Y'all knew

1634
01:33:44,110 --> 01:33:45,790
people I.
Don't need to.

1635
01:33:45,870 --> 01:33:49,630
And they still, and even with
that, they still won't get it

1636
01:33:49,630 --> 01:33:54,750
because there was a buildup of
this for us, you know what I'm

1637
01:33:54,750 --> 01:33:56,710
saying?
They get the, you know the the

1638
01:33:56,710 --> 01:34:00,470
people will talk about it on
YouTube and you know, show it,

1639
01:34:00,630 --> 01:34:04,590
but they still won't have the
same emotional damage that we

1640
01:34:04,590 --> 01:34:07,700
had occurred.
From watching and I didn't need

1641
01:34:07,700 --> 01:34:11,380
that emotional damage again.
As a person who was invested in

1642
01:34:11,380 --> 01:34:13,740
these characters, y'all didn't
need to show me that shit again,

1643
01:34:13,740 --> 01:34:16,140
Y'all.
I agree.

1644
01:34:16,460 --> 01:34:18,700
I looked down and I started
doing something else real quick

1645
01:34:18,700 --> 01:34:20,220
because I was like, I don't need
to see it.

1646
01:34:20,220 --> 01:34:22,380
But I said I I understood why
they did like I.

1647
01:34:22,500 --> 01:34:24,140
Said.
I was looking at it like this

1648
01:34:24,580 --> 01:34:25,660
because I.
Was not I?

1649
01:34:25,700 --> 01:34:26,620
I get it.
I was like.

1650
01:34:26,780 --> 01:34:28,460
OK, they're not going to show
this for too long.

1651
01:34:28,540 --> 01:34:31,420
They showed that for way longer
than I expected them to.

1652
01:34:32,460 --> 01:34:35,060
Like that was they're trying to
establish that like.

1653
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:38,160
Do we really need to see?
That yeah, they trying to

1654
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,720
establish that for newer friends
who came towards the end and for

1655
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:45,560
us who sit here and be like,
well, you know maybe she should

1656
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:49,480
have changed to really show us
this is exactly what she went

1657
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,440
through and we.
Right.

1658
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:54,280
And we no, she still should have
some growth from it.

1659
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:58,600
I I do believe that.
I mean over time, you know.

1660
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,640
No I don't believe that.
You should be hugging on this

1661
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,520
man and y'all you know and you
have.

1662
01:35:04,440 --> 01:35:09,760
But for yourself you needed to
grow because you have a kid to

1663
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:16,480
raise and it could cause it
would If she doesn't, the way

1664
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:20,560
it's turning her insides I you
just have to you going to have

1665
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:24,080
to move past that a little bit.
It's kind of like the, it's kind

1666
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:25,280
of like Rick and.
Card.

1667
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,210
Just a little bit.
I don't like Rick and Carl.

1668
01:35:27,250 --> 01:35:29,450
Like Carl was like we have to
get past this.

1669
01:35:29,450 --> 01:35:33,570
We can't keep this cycle up of
okay, you kill and then I kill

1670
01:35:33,730 --> 01:35:35,290
and then you kill and then I
kill.

1671
01:35:35,290 --> 01:35:37,370
Because then where will it stop?
It won't.

1672
01:35:38,010 --> 01:35:41,050
And we will always be fighting.
We will always be.

1673
01:35:41,530 --> 01:35:45,970
And you have that hate.
And yes, we are in a world where

1674
01:35:46,050 --> 01:35:50,850
we have to deal with so many
other things that you, she got

1675
01:35:50,850 --> 01:35:54,290
to let some of it go.
Because it's going to turn her

1676
01:35:54,290 --> 01:35:56,610
into something that she doesn't
want to be turned into.

1677
01:35:57,010 --> 01:36:00,210
So when I say these things, I'm
not saying I totally understand

1678
01:36:00,210 --> 01:36:05,650
the trauma and the grief, but
for her sake, she's going to

1679
01:36:05,690 --> 01:36:08,370
have to.
Otherwise it's going to be.

1680
01:36:09,770 --> 01:36:13,330
A bunch of shows of.
Help me, but I'm being mean to

1681
01:36:13,370 --> 01:36:15,050
you.
Help me but because at that

1682
01:36:15,050 --> 01:36:17,490
point that is going to make
people start hating Maggie like

1683
01:36:17,490 --> 01:36:19,410
bitch.
Yeah, right.

1684
01:36:19,770 --> 01:36:21,970
And then she's going to start
doing things.

1685
01:36:22,370 --> 01:36:23,890
That she shouldn't be doing
because.

1686
01:36:23,890 --> 01:36:27,650
Of it.
Because of it.

1687
01:36:27,650 --> 01:36:29,730
I mean think about think about
the train car.

1688
01:36:30,490 --> 01:36:33,450
You know, she was sitting there
being mean to him and being, you

1689
01:36:33,450 --> 01:36:38,450
know, oh, I I'm asking you to
come on this this mission to

1690
01:36:38,450 --> 01:36:42,170
help us get killed because you
know this area, but I'm a bitch

1691
01:36:42,170 --> 01:36:45,290
and Dick you the whole way.
And then you might get mad

1692
01:36:45,290 --> 01:36:48,530
because when you're trying to
escape from walkers, you let him

1693
01:36:48,530 --> 01:36:51,690
go up on the train car 1st and
then he doesn't do what he.

1694
01:36:52,090 --> 01:36:56,170
That he can to save you.
What did you expect, right.

1695
01:36:56,570 --> 01:37:01,370
Have been like Oh yeah I was you
know he and in his mind oh after

1696
01:37:01,370 --> 01:37:03,050
you after you don't need me
anymore.

1697
01:37:03,050 --> 01:37:06,130
You probably going to kill me.
He would never remember that to

1698
01:37:06,170 --> 01:37:09,650
her and she's doing the same
thing again.

1699
01:37:10,530 --> 01:37:17,970
So yeah I do agree at this point
if you're not going to if you

1700
01:37:17,970 --> 01:37:21,010
can't forgive him, which totally
understandable.

1701
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:26,240
You can't forgive him and you're
going to keep up this very

1702
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,680
antagonistic attitude towards
him.

1703
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,240
Leave him the fuck alone.
Live.

1704
01:37:32,440 --> 01:37:35,480
His own life in that hotel with
that little girl.

1705
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:40,160
Right, because you you have to,
at a certain point realize which

1706
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:45,240
he has told you several times,
This is the choice he made in

1707
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,280
what was happening to his
people.

1708
01:37:48,650 --> 01:37:52,010
And he wanted to show don't F
with us anymore.

1709
01:37:52,570 --> 01:37:54,530
So you're going to have to, in
your mind, be like, I can't

1710
01:37:54,530 --> 01:37:56,370
forgive you.
But I'm going to have to

1711
01:37:56,370 --> 01:38:01,290
understand that everyone made
different choices of how to

1712
01:38:01,290 --> 01:38:03,610
survive and to keep their people
safe.

1713
01:38:04,610 --> 01:38:06,530
Because he didn't do what the
Governor did.

1714
01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:08,650
I mean, he wasn't as worse as
the Governor.

1715
01:38:09,330 --> 01:38:14,330
He had rules and regulations,
and she has to understand that.

1716
01:38:14,330 --> 01:38:17,450
And she's to someone else, she's
the same villain.

1717
01:38:18,090 --> 01:38:23,330
That so she got to understand.
Like okay, it's it was a harsh

1718
01:38:23,330 --> 01:38:26,290
way to kill someone.
First of all you could have just

1719
01:38:26,290 --> 01:38:29,290
shot Glenn to be honest with you
to prove your point.

1720
01:38:29,770 --> 01:38:31,730
Or cut off a finger then shoot
them.

1721
01:38:33,890 --> 01:38:37,010
Extreme, but okay, I might have
put that aside.

1722
01:38:37,930 --> 01:38:40,810
And we and I don't need to.
I don't want you in my life.

1723
01:38:40,810 --> 01:38:43,570
And maybe one day my son is
going to come back and try to

1724
01:38:43,570 --> 01:38:45,730
kill you.
That's on you.

1725
01:38:45,730 --> 01:38:48,090
But you shouldn't even put that
on your your son to do.

1726
01:38:49,410 --> 01:38:54,090
But she can't let it go.
It it bleeds on to her kid when

1727
01:38:54,090 --> 01:38:57,170
he gets older.
At some point if he don't die

1728
01:38:57,290 --> 01:38:59,730
from this, he's going to try to
kill him, which he shouldn't

1729
01:38:59,730 --> 01:39:03,490
because that starts to cycle all
over again and then that girl

1730
01:39:03,490 --> 01:39:06,170
who's close to him.
If she continues to be close to

1731
01:39:06,170 --> 01:39:08,770
him, then she go after, you see
what I'm saying?

1732
01:39:08,770 --> 01:39:12,810
So it's like you you have to be
like we have to do better, which

1733
01:39:12,810 --> 01:39:16,370
is what Carl was saying.
Carl was saying.

1734
01:39:18,090 --> 01:39:21,770
But yeah, I ignore Carl if I
ignore Carl, Carl that.

1735
01:39:24,890 --> 01:39:28,450
Out of my.
Yeah, yeah, too much time is

1736
01:39:28,450 --> 01:39:32,210
passed at this point, you know.
But.

1737
01:39:33,300 --> 01:39:35,740
But the what about the intro?
I like the intro.

1738
01:39:35,820 --> 01:39:41,060
So I did like the intro.
It's it's very different.

1739
01:39:41,660 --> 01:39:46,660
The style of it is very
different and I don't, I don't

1740
01:39:46,660 --> 01:39:53,140
know, I guess it's very artsy,
but I do like it.

1741
01:39:55,460 --> 01:40:00,460
It was, I think it was
interesting just kind of seeing

1742
01:40:00,460 --> 01:40:03,700
the way it's.
Because we're so used to seeing

1743
01:40:04,380 --> 01:40:07,580
the intros for The Walking Dead
and like even with Fear The

1744
01:40:07,580 --> 01:40:10,020
Walking Dead, like Fear The
Walking Dead, they they have a

1745
01:40:10,020 --> 01:40:13,660
very specific way that they do
their title cars and their

1746
01:40:13,660 --> 01:40:16,660
intro.
It's basically like anthology

1747
01:40:16,660 --> 01:40:18,580
style.
Like you see the purse, the

1748
01:40:18,580 --> 01:40:20,820
silhouette of the person that
the episode is going to be

1749
01:40:20,820 --> 01:40:23,260
mainly about.
With The Walking Dead, you kind

1750
01:40:23,260 --> 01:40:28,790
of get these different little.
Pieces of of the world that

1751
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:30,710
they're in now.
I did like the fact that they

1752
01:40:30,710 --> 01:40:35,430
kept like that little line of
walkers that was similar to the

1753
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:37,590
original show in in.
Intro.

1754
01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:45,830
But yeah, New York is just it
looks so bad in the intro and

1755
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:50,870
just even throughout the show
like we see.

1756
01:40:52,010 --> 01:40:55,730
You know, we watch stories about
different apocalypses all the

1757
01:40:55,730 --> 01:41:00,570
time, and for for me, very
prominently About New York is

1758
01:41:00,570 --> 01:41:03,850
like the original Stand
miniseries.

1759
01:41:03,850 --> 01:41:09,650
When you see how you know it
wasn't even bombed out, then it

1760
01:41:09,650 --> 01:41:13,770
was just you see what a mess
being an apocalypse made.

1761
01:41:14,010 --> 01:41:17,490
You know, all the cars, all the
trash, all the buildings that

1762
01:41:17,490 --> 01:41:21,570
have been looted and everything
but this put it on a whole.

1763
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:25,740
Other level because like that
little shot where you see Maggie

1764
01:41:25,740 --> 01:41:30,260
and Megan and the Manhattan
Bridge is in the background and

1765
01:41:30,260 --> 01:41:33,580
you see just how decimated it
is.

1766
01:41:33,580 --> 01:41:38,540
Like, it really brings into
focus what was done to try to

1767
01:41:38,540 --> 01:41:42,660
contain this, this infection,
this virus.

1768
01:41:42,940 --> 01:41:46,380
Like Y'all really cut people off
from the rest of the world

1769
01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:48,340
thinking that Y'all were going
to take care of this.

1770
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:52,910
And it's like.
Okay.

1771
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:56,550
And I think somebody else
mentioned, and I don't remember

1772
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:59,750
if this is in the intro, if it
was somewhere someone mentioned

1773
01:41:59,750 --> 01:42:07,270
that one of the memorial
buildings for the World Trade

1774
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:11,110
Center is actually shown in an
unfinished state.

1775
01:42:11,230 --> 01:42:14,510
Because this particular, you
know, The Walking Dead, the

1776
01:42:14,510 --> 01:42:17,710
zombie apocalypse, started right
around 2010.

1777
01:42:18,770 --> 01:42:21,730
And that was before that
monument was finished.

1778
01:42:21,970 --> 01:42:26,130
So someone said that that you
see it unfinished in there.

1779
01:42:26,130 --> 01:42:29,450
And I was like, oh, I didn't
notice that, but I want to go

1780
01:42:29,450 --> 01:42:35,290
through and and see it.
But yeah, see, that's the thing.

1781
01:42:35,290 --> 01:42:38,490
I don't remember what I don't
remember, but I know it's there.

1782
01:42:38,490 --> 01:42:42,090
So I'll probably, you know, look
through the intro a little bit

1783
01:42:42,090 --> 01:42:44,610
more closely.
But I didn't, I didn't really

1784
01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:47,180
want to pause it.
At the time, because I was like,

1785
01:42:47,180 --> 01:42:49,460
okay, let me just kind of get
into this mindset because of

1786
01:42:49,460 --> 01:42:52,340
course it's The Walking Dead,
but it's a new show.

1787
01:42:52,340 --> 01:42:55,140
It has a new feel.
Even with these characters that

1788
01:42:55,140 --> 01:42:59,940
we are familiar with, in a
sense, they felt like strangers.

1789
01:43:00,020 --> 01:43:03,660
And in a way that's a good thing
because these are characters who

1790
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:06,340
are years removed from the last
time we saw them.

1791
01:43:06,940 --> 01:43:10,940
You know, we saw Negan was back
to his, you know, smart ass,

1792
01:43:10,940 --> 01:43:14,130
sarcastic self.
Even with Maggie just kind of

1793
01:43:14,130 --> 01:43:17,650
sort of pushing her buttons,
which I was like, why would you

1794
01:43:17,650 --> 01:43:20,650
do this?
But again, that last

1795
01:43:20,650 --> 01:43:25,810
conversation, y'all had you in
your mind, made your amends.

1796
01:43:25,850 --> 01:43:29,410
You've done everything you can
to protect these people.

1797
01:43:29,650 --> 01:43:33,530
You saved her son.
You kept her from.

1798
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:37,630
Possibly becoming the monster
that she could have been back

1799
01:43:37,630 --> 01:43:41,150
then if she had killed Pamela.
Like you tried to stop her from

1800
01:43:41,150 --> 01:43:44,750
going on the same path you ended
up going on, you know?

1801
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:48,550
And so now here it is, years
later, she's coming to you for

1802
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:51,070
help.
But of course she's she's being

1803
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:54,870
an asshole about it in a way.
And you say a little bit about.

1804
01:43:54,990 --> 01:43:57,230
I told her no.
It's like.

1805
01:43:58,330 --> 01:44:00,930
Because I mean technically if
you look at it, he don't repaid

1806
01:44:00,970 --> 01:44:05,450
any debt that he had.
That that he can, because the

1807
01:44:05,450 --> 01:44:08,410
only other thing he can do is
bring Glenn back to life, which

1808
01:44:08,410 --> 01:44:11,370
of course we know he can't do.
And you.

1809
01:44:11,370 --> 01:44:18,010
Can't in the jail he went in,
sided with the.

1810
01:44:18,930 --> 01:44:22,970
With the whisperers he does
slept with Alpha in his socks.

1811
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:28,500
All these and trying to get all
make all these amends and you

1812
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:32,500
still treat me like a Dick girl.
Fuck you and that baby.

1813
01:44:32,660 --> 01:44:37,420
And then I saved your baby and
you still talk about I owe you.

1814
01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:43,540
Because at this rate he going to
owe her to the end of time, even

1815
01:44:43,540 --> 01:44:45,100
if they get her to like still
owe me.

1816
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:46,800
Yeah, and that's one of those
things.

1817
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,640
Kind of like what Michelle is
saying, at some point you have

1818
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:53,880
to let if if you didn't kill
him, which you had plenty of

1819
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,600
opportunity to do, which he
expected you to do.

1820
01:44:56,960 --> 01:45:02,720
If your decision was to not kill
him, then I feel like in order

1821
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:07,000
for you to grow, in order for
you to heal, you have to let it

1822
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:08,560
go.
And I know she made that.

1823
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:12,360
She said that line in the show
and she was like what you did,

1824
01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:17,290
you don't come back from.
You got to let it go because

1825
01:45:17,370 --> 01:45:21,930
other than that, like you said
that attitude or that you know

1826
01:45:21,930 --> 01:45:25,610
that hatred, if you hold on to
it, that's good.

1827
01:45:25,650 --> 01:45:27,890
Your son is going to see that
eventually.

1828
01:45:29,210 --> 01:45:30,970
But hell, Negan already tell his
son.

1829
01:45:30,970 --> 01:45:32,890
You know, I know he's going to
comfort me when you get older.

1830
01:45:33,490 --> 01:45:35,490
Right.
I'll be ready, right?

1831
01:45:36,810 --> 01:45:40,530
He pulled the kill bill.
Yeah, exactly.

1832
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:44,160
But if that's the case, then you
let your son deal with that

1833
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:47,640
however he wants to do it.
You made a decision not to kill

1834
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,880
him.
You made a decision to allow him

1835
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,120
to continue to participate in
the community.

1836
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:56,520
You even got to.
You even got to a point where he

1837
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:02,120
was like, I can't forgive you,
but I can acknowledge that you a

1838
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:06,520
different person.
So if there are days when I

1839
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,880
can't face you, just understand
that.

1840
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:13,560
You and Annie can stay here
because you've earned your

1841
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:16,240
place.
How do you go from that to what

1842
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:19,120
you're doing now?
Like it's almost like you, you

1843
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:24,640
regressed and why?
So I don't know, maybe they will

1844
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:27,960
explore that a little bit more
as the episodes go.

1845
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:30,480
But you know, we only get 6
episodes of this show.

1846
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,280
I don't know if they're going to
do with season 2 or not, but I'm

1847
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:38,320
assuming that whatever they they
did with season one.

1848
01:46:39,460 --> 01:46:41,820
They had to wrap it.
Up at the end because they don't

1849
01:46:41,820 --> 01:46:44,500
know if they're coming back for
a second season and I don't

1850
01:46:44,500 --> 01:46:46,820
think they will want to leave us
on a cliffhanger.

1851
01:46:46,820 --> 01:46:49,580
Not like that.
Yeah.

1852
01:46:49,580 --> 01:46:56,460
And and for me this, this.
To be honest with you, this show

1853
01:46:56,460 --> 01:47:00,460
is written in a way where I
don't think it should be more

1854
01:47:00,460 --> 01:47:03,580
than one season, to be honest
with you, you know, I mean,

1855
01:47:03,580 --> 01:47:08,500
unless we actually do a spinoff
and then it's about.

1856
01:47:09,020 --> 01:47:11,500
Other people in New York.
Or if they're going to tie it

1857
01:47:11,500 --> 01:47:13,940
back to one of the other shows.
Because we do know.

1858
01:47:14,260 --> 01:47:18,660
That because this is a, this is
not like opening up and we're

1859
01:47:18,660 --> 01:47:22,460
heading, this is we have a
mission, this is a set.

1860
01:47:22,860 --> 01:47:25,380
Mission but we don't know what
the.

1861
01:47:25,580 --> 01:47:28,180
End of that mission is going to
be well.

1862
01:47:28,180 --> 01:47:31,780
No, we do.
The set mission right now is to

1863
01:47:31,780 --> 01:47:33,380
get hurt.
I'm just saying.

1864
01:47:33,460 --> 01:47:36,540
So we don't know.
How this mission is going to

1865
01:47:36,700 --> 01:47:39,810
end?
And if that's going to lead into

1866
01:47:40,530 --> 01:47:44,530
one of the other shows?
I know, but when I'm just to

1867
01:47:44,570 --> 01:47:46,850
just is watching and looking at
other shows.

1868
01:47:46,850 --> 01:47:49,570
When you start with a mission
and you're starting more

1869
01:47:49,570 --> 01:47:55,130
closedminded, it is hard to then
open it up for additional years.

1870
01:47:56,290 --> 01:47:59,890
Those shows don't tend to work
as well when you have it open

1871
01:48:00,330 --> 01:48:04,930
and then you have missions and
quests within and you can expand

1872
01:48:04,930 --> 01:48:07,590
on that.
So I would have thought that

1873
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:11,390
too, but I would have applied
that to the Daryl Dixon show as

1874
01:48:11,390 --> 01:48:14,110
well.
But as we can see from the news

1875
01:48:14,110 --> 01:48:18,270
we're getting, they're already
filming in Season 2 of that

1876
01:48:18,270 --> 01:48:21,230
show.
I can see that though, for

1877
01:48:21,230 --> 01:48:25,150
Daryl, because he really did not
have a, he doesn't have a strict

1878
01:48:25,150 --> 01:48:27,590
mission.
He's off.

1879
01:48:28,270 --> 01:48:31,150
He's just.
We don't even know why he's in

1880
01:48:31,190 --> 01:48:33,230
France, like we don't know how
he gets there.

1881
01:48:33,850 --> 01:48:35,650
No, we don't.
And we're going to find out.

1882
01:48:35,650 --> 01:48:39,170
But once he gets over there, he
didn't encounter other places

1883
01:48:39,170 --> 01:48:43,370
like his place.
And that stems off other stories

1884
01:48:43,610 --> 01:48:47,170
with other people.
And then Darrell's in the story

1885
01:48:47,450 --> 01:48:52,250
and then we build and love other
characters in a different area.

1886
01:48:53,170 --> 01:48:55,650
Here we're strictly like we
literally in episode.

1887
01:48:55,650 --> 01:48:58,570
When we went from, we went in
that bar, we thought we going to

1888
01:48:58,570 --> 01:49:01,370
get Michelle in this story,
Michelle dies.

1889
01:49:01,850 --> 01:49:03,930
Then we we're on a boat to
Manhattan.

1890
01:49:03,930 --> 01:49:06,810
We are in Manhattan.
If you mean we get an old lady,

1891
01:49:06,810 --> 01:49:12,490
it's like we're moving.
So I can see this not going.

1892
01:49:12,690 --> 01:49:15,450
If they do push it to two, they
shouldn't go past two.

1893
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:19,520
Limited series like.
Like world beyond what?

1894
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:21,000
It should be.
I mean it.

1895
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,920
And that's a good and I'm not
saying it's about that's a good

1896
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:27,600
thing you know for for them like
it's limited and then the next

1897
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:31,480
we can get somebody else who has
a limited like they often doing

1898
01:49:31,480 --> 01:49:34,400
something.
But Darrell, I can see being

1899
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,370
time.
Because he's going to encounter

1900
01:49:37,370 --> 01:49:40,250
people and it has.
He really he's he's he's off.

1901
01:49:40,250 --> 01:49:41,810
Who is he looking for?
What is he doing?

1902
01:49:41,810 --> 01:49:43,850
We don't even know.
We don't even know how he ended

1903
01:49:43,850 --> 01:49:45,370
up in Paris.
All we.

1904
01:49:45,970 --> 01:49:47,810
Know is he was on a capsized
boat.

1905
01:49:49,210 --> 01:49:53,130
Yeah, and he walking and the
trailer, he just walking and

1906
01:49:53,130 --> 01:49:55,890
walking.
I saw that trailer, I said.

1907
01:49:55,970 --> 01:49:59,610
If they show us a whole bunch of
Daryl Dixon walking, I have an

1908
01:49:59,650 --> 01:50:00,010
issue.
They.

1909
01:50:02,170 --> 01:50:05,980
Do and he walking.
And we're walking And we're

1910
01:50:06,260 --> 01:50:08,900
walking and we're walking.
Right.

1911
01:50:08,900 --> 01:50:12,100
So I can see, you know, he
encounter one group and help

1912
01:50:12,100 --> 01:50:16,700
them and then that turns into
three other people joining him,

1913
01:50:16,980 --> 01:50:20,060
almost like the fear, like it
was one family.

1914
01:50:20,060 --> 01:50:22,340
And then we got these other
people coming along and they

1915
01:50:22,340 --> 01:50:25,140
encounter things and now we're
the Morgan show.

1916
01:50:27,460 --> 01:50:28,620
Okay.
I got it.

1917
01:50:29,060 --> 01:50:31,580
Okay.
Yes, I can see that being more

1918
01:50:31,580 --> 01:50:34,590
time.
OK, Ricky Marshawn, that

1919
01:50:34,590 --> 01:50:37,830
shouldn't be more than one, no?
They just need to find each

1920
01:50:37,830 --> 01:50:40,310
other and they need to go back
home to the goddamn children.

1921
01:50:40,350 --> 01:50:42,950
That's and that's it.
And that's how that should end.

1922
01:50:42,950 --> 01:50:46,470
So that should be like about 10
episodes by the time that show

1923
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:48,270
come out.
Judas, there's gonna be a time

1924
01:50:48,270 --> 01:50:49,830
jump.
Judy's gonna be 21.

1925
01:50:49,950 --> 01:50:51,670
See, that's the thing I'm trying
to see.

1926
01:50:51,710 --> 01:50:55,710
That's why I'm trying to figure
out because OK, so as far as the

1927
01:50:55,710 --> 01:50:59,330
timelines with the shows.
One of the things that they said

1928
01:50:59,330 --> 01:51:03,090
about Fear The Walking Dead and
the current season is that they

1929
01:51:03,090 --> 01:51:08,130
did A7 year time jump to align
it with The Walking Dead

1930
01:51:08,330 --> 01:51:10,770
timeline.
Okay.

1931
01:51:11,290 --> 01:51:18,050
So then if if if you're doing
that, why take this show and do

1932
01:51:18,050 --> 01:51:22,530
another 5-6 year time jump?
Like what's the purpose And then

1933
01:51:22,530 --> 01:51:25,570
like I said.
So if you're doing a 5-6 year

1934
01:51:25,570 --> 01:51:30,530
time jump for Maggie and Megan,
where in the timeline does

1935
01:51:30,530 --> 01:51:33,810
Darrell's story take place?
Where in the timeline will Rick

1936
01:51:33,810 --> 01:51:38,690
and Michonne's story take place?
Like, are these story like, like

1937
01:51:38,690 --> 01:51:42,970
I said, when Maggie goes to find
Megan, is Darrell back home?

1938
01:51:42,970 --> 01:51:46,090
Is Darrell gone?
Have Rick and Michonne returned?

1939
01:51:46,090 --> 01:51:49,850
Are they still out missing like?
And if that's the case, like you

1940
01:51:49,850 --> 01:51:53,370
said, that Judah's going to be
her, Judah going to be 20?

1941
01:51:53,770 --> 01:51:57,210
And you going to have these kids
from this deleted scene from The

1942
01:51:57,210 --> 01:52:03,290
Walking Dead show up.
And so yeah, Julie's going to

1943
01:52:03,290 --> 01:52:06,770
have her own child and husband.
Like, who are you guys?

1944
01:52:07,930 --> 01:52:14,850
Yeah, I guess we'll figure that
out once we get more details

1945
01:52:14,850 --> 01:52:18,050
about it.
That's the other interesting

1946
01:52:18,050 --> 01:52:21,570
thing, because I don't know if
you've heard.

1947
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,320
San Diego Comic Con is next
month.

1948
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:28,600
And you know, we had thought
that okay, they'll probably have

1949
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:31,600
Walking Dead people there to
like, promote these shows.

1950
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:34,800
But what we're finding out is
because of the writers strike

1951
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:40,760
and because of a possible actor
strike that I believe may go

1952
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:47,320
into effect tomorrow.
A lot of the big names are not

1953
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:50,800
going to San Diego Comic Con.
Marvel is not going to have a

1954
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:54,960
presence there.
I think AM C is not going to

1955
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,320
have a presence.
There is like a lot of these big

1956
01:52:57,320 --> 01:53:02,240
names are not going to be there.
So I don't know when we'll get

1957
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:07,200
any more Rick and Michonne
content as far as like a teaser

1958
01:53:07,200 --> 01:53:09,450
like.
Literally, the Daryl Dixon show

1959
01:53:09,450 --> 01:53:13,130
is starting soon and we're just
getting a first trailer, a

1960
01:53:13,130 --> 01:53:15,490
teaser trailer, like a few days
ago.

1961
01:53:17,090 --> 01:53:22,690
So I don't know, I guess what
we'll just have to wait and try

1962
01:53:22,690 --> 01:53:25,450
to figure out some more things
as far as how this fits in the

1963
01:53:25,450 --> 01:53:29,930
timeline.
But for for this episode, I

1964
01:53:29,930 --> 01:53:31,890
think it would had a very strong
start.

1965
01:53:32,530 --> 01:53:35,250
You know, we do get to see these
characters and we kind of get to

1966
01:53:35,250 --> 01:53:38,760
see how they've changed.
Over the last few years, since

1967
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:44,120
the last time we saw them, you
know, in their timeline and we

1968
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,520
get these other characters that
are interesting.

1969
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:49,200
But like I said, Pearly
Armstrong, not my favorite,

1970
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:51,000
probably will not be my
favorite.

1971
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:52,960
I probably will not like his
character.

1972
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:56,600
And then the Crow hat is the
other main character that we've

1973
01:53:56,600 --> 01:54:00,880
seen so far and he does look
like he's going to be a problem,

1974
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:07,990
so.
But did did we forget anything?

1975
01:54:09,230 --> 01:54:13,750
I think we got the most of it.
Oh, I was going to say that

1976
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:16,390
first thing with Maggie, where
she's sitting on the shore

1977
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:20,190
looking through the binoculars
at Manhattan and then she gets

1978
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:24,750
she gets attacked by Walker and
she turns around and beats it.

1979
01:54:25,110 --> 01:54:30,510
I was like, they make that scene
very reminiscent of Negan

1980
01:54:30,670 --> 01:54:36,460
beating Glenn and Abraham.
Was I the only person who who

1981
01:54:36,540 --> 01:54:40,580
felt like that, like the way she
was kind of bashing that

1982
01:54:40,580 --> 01:54:43,260
Walker's hand?
My thought is if he walks under

1983
01:54:43,260 --> 01:54:46,580
the bridge to get her and she
start beating the hell out of

1984
01:54:46,580 --> 01:54:49,860
him, I ain't nobody.
Hear that, the other?

1985
01:54:49,860 --> 01:54:52,420
Walker, she was hiding from not
hear that, especially she.

1986
01:54:52,660 --> 01:54:54,380
And that's what I was thinking
about.

1987
01:54:54,540 --> 01:54:55,820
Yeah, that's what I was thinking
about.

1988
01:54:55,820 --> 01:54:58,980
Like, OK, she made a lot of
noise and then she's struggling.

1989
01:54:58,980 --> 01:55:01,300
Like, has she not killed the
walk in the wild?

1990
01:55:01,300 --> 01:55:04,770
What is going on?
I know she's she's, she's in

1991
01:55:04,770 --> 01:55:07,730
that head space.
She's worried about her son and

1992
01:55:07,730 --> 01:55:10,290
she probably is just trying to
figure out how, you know,

1993
01:55:10,290 --> 01:55:13,770
especially you just sat on the
bank, you're looking with the

1994
01:55:13,770 --> 01:55:16,770
binoculars and you see these
thousands of walkers.

1995
01:55:17,370 --> 01:55:19,610
I know she was probably
thinking, how the hell am I

1996
01:55:19,970 --> 01:55:23,330
going to save my son?
But then my question is, she

1997
01:55:23,370 --> 01:55:25,730
looked but then you noticed when
they got over there on the boat

1998
01:55:25,770 --> 01:55:28,490
with no walkers.
But it was night.

1999
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,400
And that's that's why I was
saying whatever they're doing in

2000
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:35,640
that building that's causing the
smoke, I think they're luring

2001
01:55:35,640 --> 01:55:38,400
walkers there.
And then of course, like I said,

2002
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:42,320
the that truck that was going by
with the music, they were

2003
01:55:42,320 --> 01:55:45,480
luring, they were, you know,
hurting the walkers.

2004
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:50,760
So I don't know if maybe they
keep the walkers close to the

2005
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:53,880
home base, whatever the home
base is, whoever it is that's

2006
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:56,480
doing this.
During the night time to keep

2007
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:58,920
people from getting to them and
then they just kind of let them

2008
01:55:58,920 --> 01:56:00,160
disperse again.
During the day.

2009
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:03,400
I I don't know.
We we really don't know much

2010
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:06,040
about what else is going on in
Manhattan.

2011
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:10,360
I'm pretty sure the Croat is not
the only person who is still

2012
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:13,400
alive and you know operating in
Manhattan.

2013
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:15,560
I'm sure we're going to come
across some other people.

2014
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,240
Something tells me the little
old lady is not part of his

2015
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:21,280
group.
So.

2016
01:56:21,810 --> 01:56:25,290
We don't know exactly what's
going on there, but yeah, that

2017
01:56:25,290 --> 01:56:27,370
was kind of strange that there
was nobody there.

2018
01:56:27,370 --> 01:56:31,650
But I think for her, seeing all
of those walkers in the daytime

2019
01:56:32,090 --> 01:56:35,690
and your son has just been taken
and you don't know how you're

2020
01:56:35,690 --> 01:56:39,250
going to get him back.
I think maybe at that point she

2021
01:56:39,250 --> 01:56:43,570
just wasn't paying attention.
She was more emotional, and that

2022
01:56:43,570 --> 01:56:46,810
Walker kind of snuck up on her
and she just, she was just like,

2023
01:56:46,810 --> 01:56:50,130
OK, you know what?
Oh, here's the other thing.

2024
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:55,240
So after you knock out Armstrong
with his gun and you and Megan

2025
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:57,520
leave, why do you throw the gun
down?

2026
01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:00,560
I didn't.
Understand why would.

2027
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:03,960
You do that and she might watch
watch one action movie.

2028
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:09,160
No, she did not now.
I understand that one to make a

2029
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:10,280
whole.
On the farm.

2030
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:15,400
But those that machine gun might
come in handy, especially if you

2031
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:18,960
try to rescue your son from a
deranged person.

2032
01:57:19,390 --> 01:57:23,430
Who probably has henchmen,
because, I mean, they have to

2033
01:57:23,430 --> 01:57:26,350
have a lot of people.
Well, maybe not a lot of people,

2034
01:57:26,350 --> 01:57:32,270
but I think it's interesting
that they, from the way that she

2035
01:57:32,270 --> 01:57:37,390
described how they raided her,
it sounded more like reapers

2036
01:57:37,390 --> 01:57:40,790
than it did the sanctuary.
The sanctuary didn't do.

2037
01:57:40,870 --> 01:57:42,590
They didn't do that sneaky shit
at night.

2038
01:57:43,170 --> 01:57:46,210
You know, scale the walls and
come in and take and take y'all

2039
01:57:46,210 --> 01:57:47,970
out while y'all sleep.
No.

2040
01:57:48,090 --> 01:57:50,890
One thing about Megan in the
sanctuary, they were very out

2041
01:57:50,930 --> 01:57:54,050
and open about what they were
doing.

2042
01:57:55,010 --> 01:57:57,490
They didn't do no sneaky stuff.
And that's the other thing we

2043
01:57:57,490 --> 01:58:00,570
said about Megan doesn't lie.
He doesn't.

2044
01:58:01,010 --> 01:58:03,810
He doesn't do that kind of
manipulation to where he's going

2045
01:58:03,810 --> 01:58:04,930
to tell you one thing to do
another.

2046
01:58:04,930 --> 01:58:08,210
No, Megan's going to be straight
up to your face and tell you

2047
01:58:08,210 --> 01:58:10,730
what the hell he's doing.
Tell you why he's doing it.

2048
01:58:11,500 --> 01:58:16,540
The way that she described how
the crow act snuck in and got

2049
01:58:16,540 --> 01:58:20,300
the grain and everything sounded
more like Reaper shit to me,

2050
01:58:20,300 --> 01:58:21,780
because that's what the reapers
did.

2051
01:58:23,540 --> 01:58:26,580
Maybe it came with Reapers and
was with them for a little bit

2052
01:58:28,380 --> 01:58:31,420
thought.
I mean could be.

2053
01:58:32,500 --> 01:58:35,620
But yes, more.
Yeah, I have.

2054
01:58:35,620 --> 01:58:36,500
Any final?
Thoughts.

2055
01:58:36,900 --> 01:58:39,820
Don't find out more I'm sure as
time goes on.

2056
01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:42,430
Yes, especially with only six
up.

2057
01:58:42,430 --> 01:58:45,990
So they better give us some good
actions like don't, don't just

2058
01:58:45,990 --> 01:58:47,830
leave it random.
Right.

2059
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:50,270
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01:58:50,270 --> 01:58:52,670
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