The Walking Dead: Dead City S1E2 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #248

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What's up, Hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Haniko and I am here

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with Casey and Michelle, and we
are discussing episode 2 of Dead

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City from The Walking Dead
universe.

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How are we feeling about the
show so far?

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It's picking up, I'll give it
that, because I still have the

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same attitude I have about the
last one with Maggie and her

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damn attitude.
I'm like, girl I love.

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Yeah.
Just just give them a little

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bit, a little bit.
You don't want to accept this

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this much help.
You almost fell off a roof

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because.
You right that that part.

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Like, come on like.
Did you have to keep?

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No, I don't need no help.
I don't need no help, honey.

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You only you only $1.25 soaking
wet.

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Right.
And then you didn't get to push

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off like like Negan and like
Elsa did.

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And then you know what I noticed
in this episode?

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That I never noticed before,
probably because it's never been

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a thing before.
Mackey is afraid of heights.

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Like real heights, you know,
because we've we've only ever

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seen her like maybe on top of a
like the apartment building

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which which in you know
hindsight wasn't really that

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high, you know.
But then, New York, New.

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York, you are skyscrapers.
She I mean, if we think about

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it.
Maggie came from the country.

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She probably has never been on a
building this tall before.

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And then you have to grab these
two little handlebars and and

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zip line to another building.
What if y'all have no upper body

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strength?
That would be me.

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Let.
Me hold on to it with my legs.

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I'm not doing it with my.
Because your body shouldn't hurt

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me.
Just pick me up off the floor.

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But.
You know what if you if you take

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a look down and you see what's a
waiting for you, I bet you that

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body strength will will just you
know that adrenaline will give

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you.
But I would get some help

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because my arms will be on fire.
Be like, oh, oh, I can't make

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it.
Yeah, I need you to pull me in.

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But see you distracted.
You get that little music plan.

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You all got distracted.
Honey, we don't got time for

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distractions to roll yourself to
the next video.

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Because we saw it in the last
episode when they were luring

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the walkers.
You see it again in this

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episode.
Who's playing the music and what

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are y'all playing the music for?
Like, I'm really, I'm really

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curious.
But yeah, that whole zip line

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thing.
And then even when they were

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going up the stairs and Megan
was looking at Maggie because

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when she first saw it, she
looked down and she saw the

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walkers.
And she looks sick.

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And I was like, Maggie, you've
been in this for almost 20

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years.
There's no way a Walker can

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still make you sick.
So I was like, it must be the

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height.
And then we're on the the

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matter.
Yeah.

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He was like, don't look down
unless you're going to toss your

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cookies.
I think at that point he figured

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out that she didn't like heights
too, you know?

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But yeah, I think for me as
well.

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Maggie Yeah, I think at this
point I I'm ready to say she

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needs to get over it.
She needs to get over it.

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Like just the different things,
the the way she was looking at

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him in the episode, the the
conversations that they had

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about the Croat when the Croat
first came to him and everything

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now.
So we, we talk about this a lot

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with The Walking Dead universe.
And I tell you about the

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reactions on Twitter, how people
are always, you know, there are

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a lot of people who still hate
me again, who still feel like he

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was a monster.
He's always been a monster.

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He'll always be a monster, that
sort of thing.

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Da da, da, da, da, da.
So when they were having a

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conversation and he was talking
about the Croat and when the

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Croat first came to him and you
know, just the way that he was

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presenting this story.
You know, Maggie says something

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to him about, oh, it takes a
monster to make a monster.

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And he was like, no, no, Like,
he was upset by the insinuation.

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And I was like, I really think
that people really do either

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forget or ignore the fact that
the Negan that we met was not

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the Negan.
That was not how he started out.

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In the world, Granted, yes, we
got the Here's Nikki episode

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later, so we get to
retroactively see what type of

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person he was.
But if you remember in the

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beginning, Nigan couldn't even
kill a doggone Walker.

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His wife had to do it.
And I feel like the way that

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he's describing the Crow act, he
says right after the world went

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to Shih Tzu, meaning this was
before he became savior Nigan.

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In my opinion, because if you
think about it, what we know of

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the Saviors and what we know of
the sanctuary, the Saviors were

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being led by someone else and
Megan didn't like the way that

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they were running things, so he
ended up taking over, I feel

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like.
As far as that whole, it takes a

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monster to make a monster.
It wasn't necessarily that Megan

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made the Croat into a monster.
I feel like it might have been

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the other way around.
Because if you listen carefully

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to his conversation when he's
talking about right before they,

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you know, met up with the
Kingdom, there was this woman

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that was in a car.
Megan thought she was just a

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drifter.
The Croat thought, no, she's a

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spy.
And Negan says that after the

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Croat did whatever the Croat
does, meaning torture, that's

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when she copped to being a spy.
Now, he never said who she was a

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spy for, but he said, you know,
the Croat was right, she was a

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spy.
Kind of, sort of feel like that

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might have been the turning
point for Negan and, you know,

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him being like, OK, stop looking
for the best in people or stop

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assuming that people aren't.
The bad guy, like, I really feel

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like that conversation was
telling in that way.

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Like Nikki wasn't always the
monster.

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He wasn't always what Maggie
knew him to be.

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He even says it in this
conversation.

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He said I was, you know, I was
only, I was only mean or

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violent, whatever.
When I needed to be, when I had

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to protect my people, they think
about it.

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He had to do that.
When he went back to the bar to

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find the people that kept him
from getting to Lucille, and he

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found them, you know, they had
attacked the Doctor, they were

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raping Laura, so that was
probably the start of it.

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But I'm like she needs to stop,
just automatically assuming.

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That based on what she knows.
You know what she.

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Said that fundamentally is right
and that fundamentally that is

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him.
So what I even gather from the

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conversation is not in the coag.
Create him is basically what he

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said.
I did it when I needed to do it

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and it's a character, and it's a
character that you have to do

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even when he was burning off
husband's faces and stuff

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because again, we have rules and
regulations and people have to

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see.
The reason to follow the rules

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and regulations.
Now it was extreme.

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Yeah, but that, I mean, if it's
not extreme, then we will have a

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group within the group trying to
take over.

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So you have to be right.
So you have to be extreme into

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doing that and you need that
character.

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So sometimes when he's at home,
he's just chilling and not

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acting that way with one of his
wives not even dealing with

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that, so.
But she doesn't.

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She still doesn't get that.
Like you.

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It's like you're we're in the
world to everyone decided what

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they needed to be in order to
survive.

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And then he needed to survive.
He did that.

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It didn't work for his wife.
He needed to be someone,

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something else.
And then now that you have a

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group of people that you're
taking care of, you have to do

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things that are not popular.
Yeah, I just, I mean, it doesn't

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necessarily going to be right,
but it's not.

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It's not popular, but that's
what he needed to be and that's

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what she doesn't.
She still don't get that right

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after they have done things that
they needed to do to survive.

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Right, right, right.
Exactly.

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But also too, like for some
people, they have to go to that

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extreme.
You have to become, like you

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said, a character.
Think about it.

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Ezekiel took on the role of a of
a like a Shakespearean king

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accent and all right because
that was what his people needed.

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Right.
And you see where he came from.

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So it's like, this is what I
need to do to survive.

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And now I have a group of people
I have to be their leader.

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Right.
And I think, I think 2 the other

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bands that they were in probably
informed those decisions.

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Ezekiel was part of a group.
That were just trying to

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survive.
They were, they had kids.

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They were trying to raise
children.

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They were trying to find some
semblance of normal Negan.

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Unfortunately, his journey
started out violent.

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You know what I'm saying?
I think if Megan had gotten back

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to Lucille and she had still
been alive and she had, you

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know, he had been able to get
her the treatment, Megan would

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have been a totally different
person.

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You know, because because of the
kindness of Laura and her

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father.
They took him in.

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They were like, okay, we realize
you must be desperate in order

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to come on us with a empty gun.
What's your story?

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Oh, we can help you with that.
You know, Come find us if you

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need us, That sort of thing.
If that had been his last

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interaction before he went home
and he didn't have any issues,

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he he would have been a totally
different person, I think, even

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if he had gotten back to
Lucille.

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And she had still killed herself
and all that other stuff, but he

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didn't have the delay of the
biker game.

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I still don't think he would
have been this cruel person.

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He would have.
He would either have died

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because he doesn't really know
how to survive, or he just would

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have joined the group and just
be within the group.

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I don't think he would have been
the leader.

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Or the the.
Person that he is now, but

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right, yeah.
But as we see in this episode,

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you kind of sort of need that
when you're dealing with

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assholes bigger than you, you
have to have that facade or you

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have to, you have to be able to
change course.

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You know, Megan in this episode,
he was the one that was kind of

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trying to talk some sense into
Maggie, like, yo, you didn't

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have to, you didn't have to lie
to them.

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That's the reason why we're in
this bank ass bathroom, because

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you lied to them instead of
giving a little.

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Being like, oh, OK, so we
realize we're in your territory,

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but let me tell you why we're in
your territory.

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Because if those people, the
tribes people, if they were part

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of the Croats group or if they
were a group that was more

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violent, you know, heavy than me
and Maggie probably wouldn't

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have made it through that door
or they would have been treated

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a little bit worse than they
were.

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And again, one of the things
about me again, you know, we we

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talk about his, his bad traits,
but one of the things about him,

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he's pretty good at reading.
People, right?

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That's what I was about to say.
He knows how to read.

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The room is clearly she doesn't.
So you really, you really need

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that help because, right?
And you see that?

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She's so stubborn.
She's not going to.

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Take it No.
Because he knew at this point

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that you just need to tell the
truth, right?

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Just tell the truth.
Right.

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Wait, the truth's going to get
you way, Moe.

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Because come on now and no.
One's going to believe that

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mess.
And they did it.

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First of all.
Got in the bathroom.

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How you going to say that you
got washed ashore by a storm?

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You think they wouldn't know a
storm was there?

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When she said that, I was.
Like they collect the rainwater,

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so yeah, they know when the
storm coming.

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You you can't you you couldn't
come up with something better

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than that anyway.
But yeah as far as going going

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back to the whole her judging
him so when that little that

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little area the the hideout for
the tribes people when they.

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Get raided by the Croats group
and they have to leave.

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And of course, you know one of
the guys he grabs Elful, who is

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the old lady that encountered
Megan and Maggie in the dry

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cleaning building?
He kills her.

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And at this point Maggie looks
horrified.

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Megan is pissed, you know,
because Megan you know.

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This little old lady helped us.
She helped.

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He gave him some pigeon, you
know, He was like, oh, OK, so

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this is what you about to do.
OK, so I'm about to handle this.

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He tells Maggie to go with the
rest of the group.

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He was like, I'll catch up.
I got this.

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So he goes back into the
building, and Maggie follows

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him.
When he comes out the dark and

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they pan on his face, you see
his entire demeanor has changed.

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I was like, oh, yes, they about
to get the old Megan right here.

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What?
And I have to say, as much as I

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didn't like old Megan, as far as
what he did to our group, old

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Megan has always been
entertaining.

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I mean, that was one of the
things about his character.

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He's very charismatic.
He's very charming when he wants

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to be, and he can be like the
funniest asshole.

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So he takes this guy.
He starts pushing his head

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through glass windows, telling
the damn knock knock joke.

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And while he's doing this,
Maggie is in the background kind

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of watching him.
And it's interesting because she

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keeps looking at him with this
look of horror.

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Like, she can't believe he's
doing this.

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But I'm like, did you not see
the guy just killed this old

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lady like that?
To me, that's what you should

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have been horrified by, because
what what could that old lady

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have done to you?
But this is the reason why you

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want him to come along with you.
Thank you.

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This is the reason.
She she like him like that when

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it's beneficial to her.
Right.

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Yes, but that's the problem
because.

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All of it is going to be
beneficial to her if she get her

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head out her ass and and and and
accept the help that he's giving

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you or not.
But even in his switch back to

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the old Negan, he's still
helping you and you don't

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realize you.
You may not want to see it

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because of what you went
through, the trauma you got, but

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at the end of the day, that's
what he's saving your ass.

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Right.
And it's needed.

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Like y'all can't come in here
soft.

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And then you can't all y'all
shit and ran.

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You can't come in soft with the
court.

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You can't do that when you try
and get your son back because he

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gonna be like, Oh yeah, I got
them.

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So Negan had to come in hard.
So the message can be relayed,

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right?
Like.

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Leave us the fuck alone, right?
You know, even though they they

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they.
Relaying that message, oh, they

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stuck Bob head through the
window, you know, and and cut

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his guts open and sprayed it all
over us.

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Man, let me tell you.
Is it going to run back and

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report or everybody raining?
We we tried to chase them.

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Now we got 1 old lady of crew,
right?

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That's your message.
Right.

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Hell no.
No.

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These guts.
Raining, raining, he.

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Said.
Let me get these guts.

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That was gross.
Disgusting.

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But the other thing too, is when
you look at it.

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When you look at Megan's face
and his reaction, like when he

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turns around and sees Maggie,
he's kind of Jarred for a minute

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because, again, this is not the
person he has.

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He has been trying to get away
from this person as much as he

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needs to, you know.
But like, at some point Negan

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has survived as long as he has
because of, you know, who he is.

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Yeah.
And sometimes that person comes

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in handy, like you said Maggie,
you want to search him out.

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You know if if he was somebody
that was like a that knew the

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Croat but was like a let's say
like a Dale or even like a Glen,

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you know, where somebody who was
a little bit more has a little

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bit more compassion.
You know, somebody who's not

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going to be as.
As cruel as as might be needed

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in this situation she wouldn't
have sought him out if if he had

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that type of demeanor.
So and and obviously if she's in

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the new Babylon area and she's
seen these posters, these wanted

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posters for him, she's like oh
OK, so that part of him is still

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there.
I'm going to need that.

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Yeah, in her.
In her mind.

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And that's the thing in her
mind.

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She knew that she needed it, but
she didn't expect to ever see

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it.
It's been a while, though, to be

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honest with you.
It's been a while.

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He hadn't had to be this since
he was, you know, defeated.

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But he's been totally different.
So now, how many years has that

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been?
It's been a while.

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Let's say, let's say 10.
I don't know 12.

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Yeah, I was, Yeah.
In his past here too.

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No, because, yeah, because
Herschel hadn't been born yet.

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So shit, we don't know what, How
many years?

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Ago.
No Herschel had been born at

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that point.
When they was defeated, I

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thought she was still pregnant.
Was she?

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Was he born OK?
So still he's a toddler.

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Yeah, he's a toddler.
Because remember, remember Grant

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was she was at the Hilltop and
Gregory tried to kill her when

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she had, when she was pushing
Herschel.

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That was before all of that.
But yeah, so.

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So seeing that, that scared the
shit out of her, that's

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basically what it did.
Because she felt she went back

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into that moment when the whole
situation with Glenn and that

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person, see, that's the person.
But you know.

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But again, it's a character that
needed to be played when she

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told you about the day before I
need to do this.

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I had to do this to protect my
people, and I'm doing this now

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because they ain't have to kill
Rose.

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Oh sweet old lady.
They didn't have to.

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They.
Didn't have to kill.

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Her.
They didn't.

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That would piss me off too, OK,
but.

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You see what killing one of his
people do, it brings?

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Bring them.
Back and and she's not even like

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his person.
His person like.

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Yeah, but see, he don't believe
in doing that to old people and

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children because he said that
again earlier.

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Well, even if that girl was a
spy or not, we don't really

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know.
Because when your ass being

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tortured, I would say all kind
of shit too.

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Was she really?
That's be honest.

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Was she really to what?
She cops to right right before.

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So he don't believe in the
children, He don't believe in

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old people.
So anyway.

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I guess that I I hope that
message is loud and clear.

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But again for Maggie, I
understand that might have been

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traumatic for her to see that,
but again, you went and got him.

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That's what you that's what you
asked for, so.

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You need to be operating under
the knowledge that, OK, I went

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and told this man that he was
going to help me.

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So I need to be prepared for
whatever that help entails.

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This is Megan.
You know what he's capable of.

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So you know what you were asking
for when you went to find him.

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You weren't going to find.
Peaceful.

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Let me get down on my knees.
Please don't.

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He's don't shoot my wife.
Megan.

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That's not the Megan you're
looking for.

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And that Megan wouldn't have got
your shit.

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You're looking for a little pig.
Little pig.

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Let me in, Megan.
You're looking for that cruel

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and the one who's going to get
some shit done and.

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And I have no sympathy for her,
which I should.

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And you know, I get people
yelling at me for this, but I

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now start.
I feel bad for him because you

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have worked hard on separating
yourself and not having to to be

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that character and not having to
do that and to.

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Just be different and you had to
go back to that place which is

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dark.
Because you feel you still do

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feel some sort of obligation
like okay.

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You know what?
I do still need to make up for

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what I did to.
Her.

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Yeah, but you have to do that.
And it's just just like you

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giving up something that that
good or bad may have given him

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control, may have made him feel
more powerful because he didn't

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have that power when you know
when he was.

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With his wife, he was powerless.
He had that power.

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He let that power go, realized
that power wasn't good the way

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he used it, and then now you tap
into it because at this point he

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can go either way.
We can end this series where he

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said fuck it, I'm.
Going back to that source, yeah,

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that's true.
You know and.

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So here, like when they were
sitting there and she's like, oh

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hell, what I just witnessed and
he's probably thinking, what did

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I just do?
I'd like try to get away from

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that and I easily look how
easily I slipped right into it.

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It's.
Like a switch?

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Right like you.
You pissed me off enough and I

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can do it.
Yeah.

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And then, you know, in the end.
She ends up telling the tribes

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people what she's there for
anyway.

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You know, once that once.
They.

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They're safely away, and Negan
is taking the glass out of his

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hands from when he's old boy
through the windows.

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And you see the way he's looking
at his hands like, damn, I had

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to.
Go back to.

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This, especially with the way
Luther is looking at him.

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Luther is looking at him like, I
don't like you, I'm like.

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He's the only person that win an
avenged your people.

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Right.
But you look at him like because

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that's someone that's.
I not necessarily think I can

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beat him.
You know what I said before?

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I know I can get all of them at
any point.

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I have some control of the
situation.

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Now we got a a little monster on
our hands.

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That man can flip out on us and
I don't think I can take him.

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That's that look.
No, no.

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Luther is a big dude.
But you know, Yeah, but what?

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You just saw it, don't.
It don't have to do anything

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with size.
Yeah, but Luther and them didn't

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see that.
So they still don't know that

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part of Megan because they were
all gone at that point.

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00:24:21,850 --> 00:24:24,970
Yeah, but they heard.
Oh, yeah, oh, oh, I'm sure that

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was related.
That.

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Yeah.
That that heard What happened?

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I don't know.
I don't know if I don't think

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Maggie would have said something
about that.

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Because because of the fact that
they will be looking like, oh,

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you know what?
If he can do that, he need to

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get the fuck on from us, you
know?

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Because at that point, they
really still don't know each

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00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:50,380
other very well, you know?
But at that point, Maggie does

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00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:54,060
tell them we're here for a man
named the Croat.

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He has my son.
And so we can help you with

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that.
Right.

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00:24:58,940 --> 00:25:03,100
So then Amaya and Tomaso are the
two main people out of this

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group that we've met.
She's like, we can help you with

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that if, you know, if, if you're
looking to get killed and they

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pan to Megan's face and Megan is
looking like, this ain't what I

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00:25:12,700 --> 00:25:17,140
signed up for.
But you know, just like, oh,

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that's the other thing.
So when they were having this

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conversation in the bathroom and
Negan was telling her about his

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history with the Croat.
And how, after the Croat did

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00:25:27,630 --> 00:25:32,550
whatever it was that he did to
the to the socalled spy, Megan

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00:25:32,550 --> 00:25:36,310
was like, he had to go.
And I don't know what kind of

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00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:38,310
tussle there was.
I don't know what it was.

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00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:41,030
But we do know that Negan tried
to kill the Croat.

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He missed.
He shot his ear off.

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And so Maggie was like.
So that means he's going to be

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looking to kill you.
And was like, yes, he is.

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00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:52,540
She was like, you don't think
you should have told me that

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00:25:52,540 --> 00:25:55,300
before, Excuse me?
It would have mattered.

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00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:56,740
To her.
So give.

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Me.
Come on this journey.

448
00:25:59,980 --> 00:26:01,980
I don't even think it would have
mattered to her though.

449
00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:04,420
And.
Yeah, you didn't ask.

450
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:07,140
You didn't ask where his
relationship was with the Crow

451
00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:09,020
Ass.
You are practically assuring

452
00:26:09,340 --> 00:26:13,970
them up because they were both.
In, you know, in the Saviors,

453
00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:17,290
you just automatically assumed
that the Croat was one of his

454
00:26:17,290 --> 00:26:21,010
cronies who followed behind his
blah blah blah.

455
00:26:21,050 --> 00:26:25,690
So you didn't even bother to ask
what the dynamic was when you

456
00:26:25,690 --> 00:26:29,730
mentioned to Negan that the
Croat was the person who rated

457
00:26:29,730 --> 00:26:32,090
you.
I mean even the look on Negan's

458
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:37,610
face when she mentioned him that
for Negan to be like.

459
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,880
I don't know who you're talking
about.

460
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,480
That was like, I'm not touching
that subject.

461
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,320
I don't want to go there.
Hell no.

462
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,240
I don't even want to get
involved in this.

463
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,600
Why would he volunteer that
information?

464
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,120
But yeah, I I just, I know she's
she's worried about her son and

465
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,240
everything that she's starting
to hear about the Croat is not.

466
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:06,240
I'm sure in her mind there is
probably a small piece of her.

467
00:27:06,930 --> 00:27:11,090
That feels like Herschel could
already be dead, because we

468
00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:13,130
already know the Crow Act
really, that he's

469
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:19,930
nondiscriminatory and who he
tortures feels, you know, like

470
00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:23,170
Negan, said the socalled spy.
He said she was just a kid.

471
00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:26,970
Now I know he didn't mean like a
child child, but she could have

472
00:27:26,970 --> 00:27:29,970
been like Lydia teens, you.
Know 2021.

473
00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:33,450
Yeah, which would have still
been a kid to him.

474
00:27:33,450 --> 00:27:36,010
I mean, think about it.
Megan was a high school teacher.

475
00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:39,550
So any older child would still
be a kid to him.

476
00:27:41,230 --> 00:27:48,150
So it's like, I don't know.
I just need her, I I need her

477
00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:54,310
to, she needs to quickly,
quickly work through whatever it

478
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:58,310
is she got going on in her head
so that she can get her son.

479
00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:00,910
So she can focus on getting her
son because you can't focus on

480
00:28:00,910 --> 00:28:04,540
getting your son.
And still standing there,

481
00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:08,780
actively hating the man that you
went to go get to help you get

482
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:10,660
your son.
It's not going to work.

483
00:28:10,660 --> 00:28:13,620
You're too distracted.
You're unfocused.

484
00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:15,540
You're not making good
decisions.

485
00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:17,260
Come on.
This is Maggie, who ran.

486
00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:20,220
With and that's why I say and
that's why I say if at some

487
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:22,420
point she don't get the fucking
chip off her shoulder.

488
00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:25,740
Me.
Even being Negan now, now you

489
00:28:25,740 --> 00:28:28,980
know that me and the crow ass
relationship ain't good.

490
00:28:29,020 --> 00:28:31,780
Bitch, I will leave you here,
right?

491
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,840
What's in the What am I getting
out of it?

492
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,920
Because #1 if you already think
hurts or dead, why?

493
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,880
Why continue?
Why?

494
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,760
Why?
You know what I mean.

495
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,240
Yes, there's always the hope
that he is still alive, but if

496
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,440
you feel like he gone, why why?
Why would I continue to help

497
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,880
you?
You treat me like shit, and when

498
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,160
I do try to help, you don't want
my help.

499
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,880
Like what's the point of me
being here at this point?

500
00:29:00,610 --> 00:29:02,770
Because I feel like you okay.
Yeah.

501
00:29:02,770 --> 00:29:04,210
I killed your husband.
I get it.

502
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:07,210
I apologize.
I've tried to make amends, you

503
00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:10,170
know, several times over this
whole Walking Dead.

504
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:13,050
The end of the series.
I've tried to make amends with

505
00:29:13,050 --> 00:29:16,490
you.
Now you don't are not required

506
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:19,770
to accept my apology.
You're not required to do any of

507
00:29:19,770 --> 00:29:22,850
those things.
But in my mind, I would have

508
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:25,300
done enough.
You know, I've tried my best to

509
00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:28,580
make it up to you, but if you
are still at this point, week

510
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:33,060
12, you let me sit in jail.
You all that whole thing went

511
00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:35,540
on.
I saved your son like bitch.

512
00:29:35,540 --> 00:29:38,340
Come on now.
Because at this point what the

513
00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:39,460
what the what the fuck else you
want?

514
00:29:41,020 --> 00:29:43,900
Because I would like I would be
so outdone with her.

515
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,500
Like no, I ain't helping you.
I'm good.

516
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:49,620
Let me go get Jenny and I'll be
out, you know.

517
00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:52,340
Yeah.
Y'all keeping her safe, but.

518
00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:57,540
Yeah, it's not worth it.
Perfect segue because that's

519
00:29:57,540 --> 00:30:01,300
what I want to talk about.
Nick, I knew you were going to

520
00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:05,420
say that, but before we even get
to that part, OK, So we see

521
00:30:05,420 --> 00:30:10,380
where the new Hilltop is.
And I got to say, this is a lot

522
00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:12,980
bigger than the old location
that they had.

523
00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:17,220
Looks like they're more
productive here.

524
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:19,300
OK.
So when we first.

525
00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:22,610
See the new hilltop?
You see that one of the doors

526
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:24,810
has been knocked down and
they're sitting there trying to

527
00:30:24,810 --> 00:30:30,810
repair the brick wall.
So my question is, towards the

528
00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:35,890
end, when we see Jenny trying to
escape from there, your

529
00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:39,890
community got raided, Your son
got kidnapped.

530
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:43,410
Why the fuck is there only one
guard standing at the door?

531
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:48,920
I was like.
I only.

532
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,520
Have one person on watch and
then as soon as he hears some

533
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,160
rocks, he leaves the front door
and goes to check out the noise.

534
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,160
Where's the backup?
Where's the other person?

535
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,560
Has she not learned anything
from Rick?

536
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,480
I'm confused.
Well, I can't even.

537
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,320
I can't even blame her at this
point, because she's not there.

538
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,160
So who?
Yeah, but she should have left

539
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,060
instructions.
For who's in charge?

540
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:16,700
Come on now.
But that is that really an

541
00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:18,900
instruction to leave?
That's fucking common sense.

542
00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:22,660
Like, is there an instruction
hey have more than one person?

543
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:25,180
Like your whole community just
got raided.

544
00:31:25,180 --> 00:31:29,820
I'm assuming you probably had
more people on watch during

545
00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:31,060
that.
Or maybe that's why they got

546
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:33,460
raided because they only had one
fucking person at the door

547
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:37,580
because they did say what did
she say?

548
00:31:37,580 --> 00:31:40,100
She said they came at night and
they scaled the walls.

549
00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:42,020
Because nobody's paying
attention.

550
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,600
If you only got one person on
watch, I'm like, come on, y'all.

551
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,120
And that's for that's the whole.
Perimeter.

552
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,440
And it's for everyone.
It's like it's not just the crow

553
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,480
at it's other people wanting
supplies.

554
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,280
She's been through this before.
You you leave people in charge

555
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,720
now it makes me now it makes me
question, now makes me question

556
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,760
the other location.
She had that.

557
00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:16,070
You mean the other locations?
But she wasn't.

558
00:32:16,110 --> 00:32:18,350
But she wasn't in charge in
those other places.

559
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:20,910
But here's the thing again, she
said her.

560
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:23,110
People when they met back up
last time.

561
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:26,590
So I'm just saying yeah, she was
in charge.

562
00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:29,870
But this could easily also just
be a writer's thing.

563
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:32,910
Like they just when they
directed the episode, they're

564
00:32:32,910 --> 00:32:34,710
like, oh, we're just going to
put one person on watch.

565
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:37,030
Y'all, don't think we've been
watching this show long enough

566
00:32:37,030 --> 00:32:41,110
to question stuff like that.
Why do you only have one person

567
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:44,750
on watch and he has a stick and
that's it?

568
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:47,910
At this point, y'all have been
raided.

569
00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:50,350
Your leader's son has been
kidnapped.

570
00:32:50,550 --> 00:32:53,030
You need to be at the door with
an automatic rifle.

571
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:56,630
Period.
Period.

572
00:32:58,590 --> 00:33:01,270
You need to be there with more
than what you have.

573
00:33:01,630 --> 00:33:04,190
I mean, I get it.
You don't want to use the guns

574
00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:07,190
because it'll draw the walkers.
And right now your ass don't

575
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:08,950
have a front door.
I get it.

576
00:33:09,550 --> 00:33:11,390
But there should have been at
least two people standing at

577
00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:15,910
that door.
At the very least, there should

578
00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:20,030
have been other people, like on
the roof, or there should have

579
00:33:20,030 --> 00:33:24,190
been other lookouts.
Jenny, this child who doesn't

580
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:27,510
know the lay of the land, should
not have been able to get out so

581
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:29,230
easily.
Still, a bike.

582
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:34,990
On top of that.
I was like, This is why y'all

583
00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:37,990
got rated.
This is why y'all got rated.

584
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:41,190
I said y'all got the worst
goddamn security.

585
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:43,990
You may well leave the gate
open, say hey, come here and

586
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:47,910
take what you want.
Just don't hurt nobody.

587
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:52,270
Like you're guarding a front
door that has been knocked out

588
00:33:52,270 --> 00:33:55,230
of the foundation.
That should tell you you're

589
00:33:55,230 --> 00:33:57,870
going to need more than one
person standing at that door.

590
00:33:58,390 --> 00:34:01,870
And that dude looks so little
like I probably could have taken

591
00:34:01,870 --> 00:34:06,860
him and thrown him somewhere.
Can we get more than one guard?

592
00:34:06,860 --> 00:34:10,460
Give me your shit.
Can we get more than one guard

593
00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:16,139
at the door?
Maybe they don't have that many

594
00:34:16,139 --> 00:34:20,540
people and they doing the best
that they can, but they got all

595
00:34:20,580 --> 00:34:23,860
them fucking kids that train
them, kids like Padre and put

596
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:28,620
their ass to work, right?
I'm sorry.

597
00:34:28,620 --> 00:34:32,420
Even remember if the prison,
even Carol, was training kids.

598
00:34:33,139 --> 00:34:34,380
You got to train these fucking
kids.

599
00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:35,860
And yeah.
You OK?

600
00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:38,820
Even writing in the morning and
in the afternoon, y'all better

601
00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:41,420
get on here on the weapons.
I do think they are doing

602
00:34:41,420 --> 00:34:45,900
weapons training because if you
if you remember the flashback

603
00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:48,460
that we saw when Jenny was
sitting in the room, apparently

604
00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:51,580
the room that she that they put
her in was Herschel's room.

605
00:34:52,179 --> 00:34:55,380
So you see a flashback of Maggie
coming in the room and she's

606
00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:58,820
she's kind of fussing at
Herschel because he's missed

607
00:34:58,820 --> 00:35:01,040
weapons training.
And she was like, this is the

608
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,920
third time you skipped this
month.

609
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,040
And I don't know what the deal
is with Herschel, but I mean,

610
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,200
granted, it could just be
typical teenage stuff because in

611
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,760
that flashback, he does look
like he could have been like

612
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,160
maybe I would say around 13.
Because one, if you're a 10 year

613
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,360
old and you acting like that
towards your Mama, I'm sorry,

614
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:28,400
I'm a black Mama, but that
ain't, that ain't happening so.

615
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,800
Obviously there's some tension
there.

616
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,760
I don't know if it has to do
with the fact that he's just

617
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,840
tired of living that way, which,
I mean, this is how you grew up,

618
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,360
dude.
You don't know any other way,

619
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,000
You don't know that things are
better or whatever.

620
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,840
But anyway, well.
No, he he did.

621
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,800
He did live in Alexandria, so he
know it was houses.

622
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,560
But when they but when he got to
Alexandria, it had been.

623
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:57,500
It had been torn apart by the
storm.

624
00:35:57,500 --> 00:36:00,020
It had been trampled by the
whisperer.

625
00:36:00,020 --> 00:36:04,740
So, I mean, you've always lived
in some, in some rough times,

626
00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:07,460
but I mean, at least you were in
this hilltop dude.

627
00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:11,660
You got your own bedroom.
You got your own bedroom.

628
00:36:12,340 --> 00:36:14,300
But it was easily taken away
from him.

629
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:17,500
So I'm confused.
Can I may come back?

630
00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:22,580
I'm a room being given away.
Damn y'all.

631
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:25,030
Can't even.
You ain't even from my bed to

632
00:36:25,070 --> 00:36:26,670
get cold.
Right.

633
00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:27,870
You ain't even let the paint dry
good.

634
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:35,030
But you know, so anyway, like I
was saying in in that flashback,

635
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:38,070
we see that there's some some
trouble between her and

636
00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:41,270
Herschel.
She, you know, Herschel is not

637
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:44,990
in a good place right now.
He's basically ignoring his mom.

638
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:48,950
You know, he does, he does seem
like he's a he's an artist and.

639
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:52,150
You know she tries to compliment
him on a drawing and he snatches

640
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:54,190
it from her.
He's like, it's, it's, it's

641
00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:56,550
horrible or whatever the case
and he throws and he was like,

642
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:59,510
I'm going to Xander's and he
leaves out and I'm like, what's

643
00:36:59,510 --> 00:37:00,510
the deal with this kid?
Who the?

644
00:37:00,990 --> 00:37:06,390
Hell, you talking to right as
you snatch the back of that neck

645
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:09,510
and pull you back into that
room, Who are?

646
00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:12,950
You talking to?
Yeah, But from this flashback,

647
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:16,070
we know they do have weapons
training for for the kids.

648
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:19,460
Everybody is trying.
And she says that I I keep

649
00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:22,740
telling you how important it is
to be prepared.

650
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:24,340
And he was like, be prepared for
anything.

651
00:37:24,340 --> 00:37:30,820
She was like, yeah, so why what?
And and I I don't know.

652
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:37,700
I mean, I know from the comics
that Hershel and Maggie have a

653
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:42,100
difficult relationship because
she's always gone all the time

654
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:45,580
trying to.
You know, fix stuff, save stuff,

655
00:37:45,580 --> 00:37:48,940
whatever, whatever.
And I know that from what I've

656
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:51,940
heard, he kind of has a chip on
his shoulder because of that.

657
00:37:51,940 --> 00:37:57,180
And he actually grows up to be
an asshole, you know?

658
00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:06,140
But it's just, I, I don't know,
like if you're preparing these

659
00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:10,060
kids for what's out there,
you're giving them weapons

660
00:38:10,060 --> 00:38:12,780
training.
We saw in the school they they

661
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:15,380
are doing training as far as,
like, they're learning how to

662
00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:17,420
forge.
They're learning what to look

663
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:19,820
for, what's poisonous, what's
not poisonous.

664
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:22,380
You're doing all of this
training for these kids.

665
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,700
But if you as adults don't have
the common sense to put more

666
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:27,260
than one guard at the door, what
are you?

667
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:33,940
What are you training them for?
Like, I don't know that that

668
00:38:33,940 --> 00:38:36,020
just that bothered me when I saw
it.

669
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:39,140
I was like, wait, do they only
have one person guarding this?

670
00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:43,820
The store And also I need to
know why Jenny is so fascinated

671
00:38:43,820 --> 00:38:47,380
with the grain silo.
Because if you notice when she

672
00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:52,420
first comes into Hilltop and the
woman Nina is showing her

673
00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:56,260
around, she sees a guy climbing
up into the grain silo and she

674
00:38:56,260 --> 00:39:01,660
just kind of looks at it like.
And then when she's leaving she

675
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:04,540
turns to look at it again and
it's like.

676
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:11,150
Maybe.
It must have.

677
00:39:11,710 --> 00:39:16,150
It has to.
But the fact that they focus on

678
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:20,630
that, you know, I've talked
about this with other shows when

679
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:23,110
they make, when they make a
point of focusing on something

680
00:39:23,110 --> 00:39:28,510
like that, that seemingly
innocent or seemingly like a

681
00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:31,140
small thing.
It's going to come into play

682
00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:33,020
later on.
So I'm like, what is it?

683
00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:35,100
Is she going to hide in that
thing later on?

684
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:39,260
But I mean, she's leaving
Hilltop now, so we don't know.

685
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,300
Like, I don't know.
It was just interesting.

686
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:46,740
It was just interesting.
And please, I'm, I'm going to

687
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:50,500
tell you all that, Michelle,
you're a teacher if we're ever

688
00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:54,590
in an apocalypse.
And you have students that you

689
00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:57,270
are teaching.
Please don't do the whole oh,

690
00:39:57,390 --> 00:40:00,630
let's give her a warm welcome to
I was like, really?

691
00:40:01,350 --> 00:40:03,710
Do we have to do that?
Like put the children on the

692
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:06,470
spot?
And, like, it's already not bad

693
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:09,830
enough that they're coming to a
community by themselves during

694
00:40:09,830 --> 00:40:12,670
the zombie apocalypse.
Chances are there's already a

695
00:40:12,670 --> 00:40:16,150
tragic story behind this child,
plus the fact that she does not

696
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:18,190
talk.
Correct.

697
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:20,430
And say she comes from
Oceanside.

698
00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:23,950
So OK, let's talk about this.
Too wait, wait.

699
00:40:23,950 --> 00:40:27,470
Side note on that one, I'm sorry
to say I will not be teaching

700
00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:30,790
class doing Apocalypse.
I'm sorry if I had to do any

701
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:32,870
teaching.
It will be weapons training.

702
00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:36,510
There you go.
Cuz I'll find me another

703
00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:42,750
profession at the door, correct?
Okay.

704
00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:46,110
You'll be charged to the army.
We have to put more than one

705
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:47,590
person in front.
Hello.

706
00:40:48,830 --> 00:40:53,470
So now y'all to mention
Oceanside which?

707
00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:57,710
OKI get tying tying the shows
together.

708
00:40:57,710 --> 00:41:01,550
You still trying to keep that
continuity since you were so big

709
00:41:01,550 --> 00:41:04,910
on saying that Casey that this
is a continuation.

710
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:08,830
But y'all didn't even give us
proper closure of Oceanside in

711
00:41:08,830 --> 00:41:11,310
the main show.
Why y'all this up here?

712
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:15,030
And then y'all are telling us
that she came from Oceanside?

713
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:17,990
So again, that makes me wonder
where the hell is this new

714
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:19,870
Babylon and where is this new
hilltop?

715
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Like, are y'all really?
Bad Nobody else from Oceanside

716
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,680
in Hillside because remember,
for all intents and purposes,

717
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:33,000
Oceanside was shut down.
We don't know.

718
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,480
We don't know what happened to.
We don't know what happened to

719
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,600
them, because the last thing we
heard about Oceanside was when

720
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,700
Luke and Jules met up with.
Met up with Aaron.

721
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:47,100
They were like, yeah, so these
people from the Commonwealth

722
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,260
came and took up.
We don't know what happened

723
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:51,740
after that now.
I'm sure they probably got

724
00:41:51,740 --> 00:41:54,580
liberated once everything
happened.

725
00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:59,380
Pamela Milton fell and Ezekiel
and Mercer are now leading the

726
00:41:59,380 --> 00:42:02,180
Commonwealth.
I'm sure they probably sent

727
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:04,460
somebody to go pull those
troops.

728
00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:07,780
But still, Y'all didn't even
give us proper closure about.

729
00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:10,420
Oh, she's still don't know where
the hell Cindy is.

730
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:14,180
Even though you met, you had
Luke mention her during this

731
00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:16,740
Commonwealth takeover.
We should have stayed with

732
00:42:16,740 --> 00:42:19,900
Cindy.
We ain't seen Cindy in four

733
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:23,540
years.
The last time we saw her was

734
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:25,220
what?
When they were killing Iraq

735
00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:31,380
before Rick died.
So y'all didn't even give us

736
00:42:31,380 --> 00:42:34,780
proper closure.
Even when Lance went to

737
00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:38,260
countryside of the countryside,
even when Lance went to

738
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:41,460
Oceanside and remember they were
lining everybody up when he was

739
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:43,300
flipping the coin date, she
wasn't in that.

740
00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:44,220
Nope.
Right.

741
00:42:44,540 --> 00:42:46,300
Nobody we knew was in that
group.

742
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:50,820
Right, but now all of a sudden
Jenny is supposed to be from

743
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:54,060
Oceanside.
Well, well, maybe you know, when

744
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:56,380
everything cleared the dust,
because I feel like Oceanside

745
00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:59,890
got shot up.
However, it's free land, so some

746
00:42:59,890 --> 00:43:01,690
people may have went to
Oceanside.

747
00:43:01,690 --> 00:43:03,770
That was a group that went to
Oceanside because that was some

748
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:07,650
available real estate.
This is no need to even mention

749
00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:09,370
Oceanside.
You could just be like we found

750
00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:12,370
her on the streets.
I mean, right?

751
00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:14,810
Because what if somebody knew
somebody at Oceanside?

752
00:43:14,810 --> 00:43:16,930
Oh, what happened to Annie or
Jackie or?

753
00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:20,090
Yeah, that just came from
Oceanside on vacation.

754
00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:25,340
I ain't see you there.
Right.

755
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:27,180
Or who is your Mama at
Oceanside?

756
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:29,660
Right?
Because we know that kid will

757
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:30,940
not do.
Daddy, who is your mom?

758
00:43:30,940 --> 00:43:36,980
Because they killed all the men.
So I that that kind of bothered

759
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:40,220
me about the whole hill hilltop
thing, them not having the

760
00:43:40,220 --> 00:43:46,340
guards and you know, just the
ease with which Jenny was able

761
00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:49,740
to sneak out of there.
Like really, all it took was a

762
00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:52,700
couple of rocks.
Again, no wonder y'all ass got

763
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:55,640
raided.
Come on now, you should know

764
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,440
better than this.
Y'all let a 12 year old wait,

765
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,640
how old is she?
12 hour number, 12 year old.

766
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,360
So yeah, twelve's our number.
Let a 12 year old.

767
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,440
I was smart as you would sneak
out the gate and steal your

768
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,800
goddamn bike.
She debowed y'all ass.

769
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,160
You got that bike right?
Right.

770
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,240
She strike debowed y'all took
y'all fucking bike with

771
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,330
supplies.
You don't fucking suck.

772
00:44:20,330 --> 00:44:21,890
You don't have a guard on your
supply.

773
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:23,970
You don't have a guard on your
transportation.

774
00:44:24,130 --> 00:44:25,930
You damn sure ain't got a guard
at the gate.

775
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:29,610
At the door, right?
At all, at all.

776
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:32,930
So y'all just got free reign up
in here.

777
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:35,330
Let me get what I need.
I'll be back.

778
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:38,850
Like, did y'all not have
somebody kidnapped from here?

779
00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:43,020
Just a few weeks ago.
Or, you know, clearly they don't

780
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:45,020
care.
They gave the boy room away and

781
00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:48,140
I thought Maggie was the leader.
I mean, like, I understand you

782
00:44:48,140 --> 00:44:50,460
don't want to go back to how
Commonwealth was acting

783
00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:54,660
beforehand, you know, with
Pamela and favoritism and

784
00:44:54,740 --> 00:44:59,140
classism and all that.
But damn, I mean, y'all walking

785
00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:02,660
around like not on high alert,
like y'all Happy Maggie gone.

786
00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:09,380
I mean, like, what's going on?
I mean, and look, we could just

787
00:45:09,380 --> 00:45:11,780
be saying that that could have
been a whole different bedroom,

788
00:45:11,980 --> 00:45:13,660
but the way that they kind of
no.

789
00:45:13,660 --> 00:45:15,460
Because they get right.
Because they.

790
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:18,420
They changed the color and she
came, yeah.

791
00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:20,220
It's just, yeah, it's the same
room.

792
00:45:21,780 --> 00:45:26,140
So that's all I had to say about
that.

793
00:45:26,140 --> 00:45:30,260
I was just like, so that's how
we doing things at Hilltop now.

794
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:33,380
Hey, if there's a space open,
somebody slide right back in.

795
00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:35,940
Right.
And The thing is.

796
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:44,600
Maggie's disposition don't even
fit hillside like it just seemed

797
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:45,880
like.
It just need to be a different

798
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:46,400
leader.
I don't.

799
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,480
Know I I.
Yeah, you know, you know,

800
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,280
because like it like, it could
be.

801
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,680
It could be Carol.
Because Carol could go both ways

802
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,540
when she needs to.
Right.

803
00:45:58,580 --> 00:46:01,020
Probably Maggie could too.
But of course, if you think

804
00:46:01,020 --> 00:46:04,700
about it, in the flashback that
we saw of her, she is upset

805
00:46:04,700 --> 00:46:06,300
because Herschel has missed
training.

806
00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:09,620
Yeah, but she's she looks like
that all the time.

807
00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:11,340
That's the problem I'm having
with her.

808
00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:15,100
It's like it is affecting your
son, cuz clearly we see that,

809
00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:18,940
Yeah.
And that it's like, that's why

810
00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:23,460
she needs to get this, this off
of her the best way she can.

811
00:46:24,420 --> 00:46:26,620
You can still grieve it.
It's still a part of your

812
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:30,850
history is still.
Every day it's like now she has

813
00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:34,130
to make that choice.
Is this going to control my life

814
00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:35,930
or am I going to control my
life?

815
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:41,490
And I feel like she like holding
on to that goddamn resentment.

816
00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:42,690
Because if if.
You does what else?

817
00:46:43,610 --> 00:46:45,290
You got?
Nothing.

818
00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:48,610
If she does have something, she
has Herschel.

819
00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:52,050
Barely.
Because if she didn't have.

820
00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:53,650
Right now.
Right.

821
00:46:53,650 --> 00:46:56,730
If she didn't have Herschel.
I can see you hold on to that.

822
00:46:57,860 --> 00:47:00,180
Yeah, right.
Even like all that shit for his

823
00:47:00,180 --> 00:47:03,340
ass.
Because God damn, he know the

824
00:47:03,340 --> 00:47:04,700
history.
He knows what happened.

825
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:08,620
But trust me, you know the the
bitterness you carry.

826
00:47:08,940 --> 00:47:13,180
Go to your God damn children
like you ain't doing that boy.

827
00:47:13,220 --> 00:47:14,580
No.
And you wonder why he run around

828
00:47:14,580 --> 00:47:16,900
with a fucking attitude.
Look at.

829
00:47:17,580 --> 00:47:18,900
You.
All the time.

830
00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:19,900
All the time.
All.

831
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:22,220
The time, Yeah.
Yeah.

832
00:47:22,420 --> 00:47:23,660
That.
Because, I mean, that's what it

833
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:26,080
seems like, yeah.
And I get it, you want him to be

834
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,600
on high alert in case there ever
is like even as he's growing

835
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,680
another Megan situation where
there is some, you know, this

836
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:39,040
type of bad person out there.
But you you trying so hard to

837
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,120
keep him trained and this and
this and all these other things

838
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,720
to protect him, you fucking
smothering him and he is like,

839
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,610
ma'am.
Just just let the let the cover

840
00:47:51,610 --> 00:47:55,050
up a little bit just so I can
get some fresh air in bothering

841
00:47:55,050 --> 00:47:58,170
me to death.
Even at 12 and we understand

842
00:47:58,450 --> 00:48:02,850
like we told the logic, but you
still have to have that balance.

843
00:48:02,850 --> 00:48:04,250
You don't have no balance.
Right.

844
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:05,930
And that's what I was just about
to say.

845
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:06,970
It's like.
That's a great one.

846
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:11,610
Yes, you you understand that
this is a different world.

847
00:48:11,610 --> 00:48:13,930
People can come in, they can
come after you.

848
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:15,490
They can come and take what you
have.

849
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:22,230
But you have to give that boy
some joy too, you know, kind of

850
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:25,270
like, you know you.
She talked about this when she

851
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:29,830
came back to the group, about
when she left the group.

852
00:48:30,110 --> 00:48:33,270
She took Herschel to her
grandparents old house on the

853
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:37,550
beach and they said they were
there for a while and it was, it

854
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:40,750
was happy times for them and
then they had to leave, I think

855
00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:44,990
because people started coming
around and I think she wanted to

856
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:49,200
keep him safe.
So yeah, you got to find.

857
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,080
You still got to find some kind
of joy in all of.

858
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:58,240
This because because if you look
at you won't have any, it's not

859
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:02,560
and when you look at everyone
else in that in the group, the

860
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,840
main group, the main family like
they have gone through things

861
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,000
too and you can see them
creating a balance.

862
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,960
Back and forth sometimes, you
know, sometimes you may have to

863
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,960
do things.
Like Carol had to go off into

864
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,640
the woods and live to get
herself together occasionally,

865
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:23,400
you know, and Rick bounced back
on the line.

866
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,760
But then their kids are better
for it.

867
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:31,550
Judith was better for it.
But Judith had Michonne.

868
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:35,350
Michonne was also had balance
too, because she went through a

869
00:49:35,350 --> 00:49:37,710
lot and she was able.
I'm just saying that they were

870
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:41,670
able to go back and forth and
then to their kids, inspired

871
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:43,630
them to say we can have a better
future.

872
00:49:45,350 --> 00:49:48,590
Even though there's shit going
on, we got to find the good in

873
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:50,630
people.
Sometimes it's hard for us to

874
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:52,750
find the good in people.
We got to find good in people.

875
00:49:52,750 --> 00:49:56,150
We got to find what we can spend
time with each other when we

876
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:57,830
can.
When your parents don't go off

877
00:49:57,830 --> 00:50:00,330
and leave you.
With your uncle and then your

878
00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:03,530
uncle Lee then.
I don't know who watching you

879
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:07,890
right now, but OK.
You know is watching them, but I

880
00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:12,090
I don't know at this point,
depending on like we said,

881
00:50:12,090 --> 00:50:16,090
depending on how many years this
has passed, if it's been like

882
00:50:16,530 --> 00:50:21,450
four or five years, Judith is
the literally about 7/16/17

883
00:50:21,570 --> 00:50:26,770
she's watching her brother so.
Oh my God.

884
00:50:26,770 --> 00:50:28,610
That's a different episode.
We got to talk about that

885
00:50:28,610 --> 00:50:31,090
because I'm like, you just
literally just realized you left

886
00:50:31,090 --> 00:50:32,690
your kid.
You may be gone for a couple

887
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:37,170
years.
OK, Poor, poor Rick Junior.

888
00:50:37,650 --> 00:50:39,930
Because again, we don't know.
We don't know where.

889
00:50:40,570 --> 00:50:44,930
We don't know where their story
falls in this dead city

890
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:46,810
timeline.
So we don't know if Rick and

891
00:50:46,810 --> 00:50:50,210
Michelle have returned.
Already I hope they have OK, and

892
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:52,330
I hope it hadn't been years
because poor children.

893
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:55,530
However, even with all of that
going on.

894
00:50:57,190 --> 00:51:00,790
Even the kids had a balance, you
know.

895
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:06,030
But poor Herschel, he has to
walk around with nothing wrong

896
00:51:06,030 --> 00:51:07,470
with being depressed.
I got that.

897
00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:11,510
But you have to see how it is
influencing your kid so that he

898
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:12,790
has this hatred.
He gone.

899
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:15,030
Then again we talked about
cycles.

900
00:51:15,350 --> 00:51:18,190
He then going to go after Negan,
if Negan survives this.

901
00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:21,380
All because of all the things
that you made my mom feel how

902
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:23,500
what she went through and it was
my dad.

903
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:26,700
I didn't get a chance to spend
time with my dad on and on and

904
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:29,060
on.
And here's the other thing too

905
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:30,620
that could be affecting
Herschel.

906
00:51:30,860 --> 00:51:33,140
And we talked about this in the
last episode.

907
00:51:33,420 --> 00:51:39,180
So again, we don't know where
new Babylon is, but we know it.

908
00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:43,500
It can't be very close to
Commonwealth or Alexandria

909
00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:46,540
because those those already are
in two separate states.

910
00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:51,220
You got Virginia and Ohio.
So wherever this new hilltop is,

911
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:55,580
Herschel is away from the people
that matter to him.

912
00:51:57,620 --> 00:51:59,540
He is right.
So.

913
00:51:59,540 --> 00:52:03,100
And not just his cousins, but
all of those people who took

914
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:06,820
care of him when all of this
stuff was going on, there was

915
00:52:06,820 --> 00:52:08,300
gone.
Carol was gone, Ezekiel was

916
00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:10,020
going.
Pretty much all those people are

917
00:52:10,020 --> 00:52:12,060
at the Commonwealth or at
Alexandria.

918
00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:16,060
Like I said, if anybody is still
at Hilltop from the group.

919
00:52:16,570 --> 00:52:21,210
I would think that it will be
Elijah and maybe Lydia, but we

920
00:52:21,210 --> 00:52:24,850
didn't see them in this episode,
so they may not even be around.

921
00:52:25,090 --> 00:52:30,490
So you have this child who has
already lived a very nomadic

922
00:52:30,490 --> 00:52:34,650
life up until Y'all get to
Alexander, Then you try to put

923
00:52:34,650 --> 00:52:39,410
down roots in Alexandria.
You, you know, you introduce him

924
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:43,880
to these people who are family.
And now it seems you've taken

925
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,120
him away from these people.
That's probably why he pissed

926
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,080
off.
Like you got me up here around

927
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,360
all these strangers, somewhere
that I don't want to be living

928
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,480
in an old factory.
Looks like, you know.

929
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,000
Yeah, and not and not having any
attachments because she's not

930
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,040
having any attachments to
anybody because she don't want

931
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,960
to go through what she's going
through.

932
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,080
But then now he doesn't have any
attachment to.

933
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,460
Anything.
Some roots, something like, you

934
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:19,500
know, even at this point.
I'm sorry everyone else is

935
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:23,060
finding second chance.
Love you, not even trying to

936
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:27,380
date.
And then, you know, I heard.

937
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:30,420
I didn't hear The funny thing
that supposedly in the other

938
00:53:30,420 --> 00:53:35,700
show originally Alden was
brought in as a potential love

939
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:40,760
match for Maggie and I just.
That just seems so weird to me.

940
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,800
I could have saw that, I I could
have seen that.

941
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,880
No, because I even when we've
seen them, they always seemed

942
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,440
more like like once she got over
her initial hate of him because

943
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,600
he was a savior, they just
seemed like he could have been

944
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,280
her, her little brother.
It it that's just the kind of

945
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,320
the vibe I always got.
So when I heard that.

946
00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:10,020
And even.
When he died, she was like

947
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:13,140
super.
I mean, I get she was sad, but

948
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:16,020
he she was super upset that he
was gone.

949
00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:21,380
So it could have been possible,
because I'm thinking the type of

950
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:26,700
person Maggie was you, you see
that she didn't have problems

951
00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:33,630
making connections with men.
In the beginning and, well, come

952
00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:36,630
on now let's let's history she
did.

953
00:54:37,230 --> 00:54:40,390
So at this point it would it
would have been nice if you did

954
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:43,030
show her with someone and
they're trying to talk reason

955
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:47,030
with her and she's like, no, I
can't forgive.

956
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:49,950
I can't forgive Negan.
I'm going to use him or

957
00:54:49,950 --> 00:54:52,950
something.
But having that she is like we

958
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:57,190
can see that she has made some
progress and she has someone but

959
00:54:57,190 --> 00:55:01,010
she still like.
Not getting too close to them,

960
00:55:01,410 --> 00:55:04,850
but they are bouncing off ideas.
And then you will look at her a

961
00:55:04,850 --> 00:55:07,650
little differently.
Like I truly had to make this

962
00:55:07,650 --> 00:55:14,570
choice to save my son.
Instead she just got a chip chip

963
00:55:14,570 --> 00:55:19,570
on her shoulder, which that's
probably what the chip is.

964
00:55:20,090 --> 00:55:21,930
I wanted to say that I'm like,
yes.

965
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,280
She need to get.
A little dip with her.

966
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,600
Chill, she.
Does just as long as it's not

967
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,320
with Negan because I have seen
people online shipping them to

968
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,800
and I'm like no, I can I could
kind of sort of see because they

969
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,080
have good chemistry, but as far
as the two characters know that.

970
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,320
And I I did, though I did.
I did.

971
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,040
But watching it, no.
Because she can't.

972
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,040
She she literally, she can't.
Now I was able to ship them

973
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,320
because of all the years of
watching All My children, Young

974
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,720
and the Restless and would like
to live.

975
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:02,440
If you know you can get over
some things that happen to you

976
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,840
from another person and you end
up still like, I don't know,

977
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,760
dating and marrying them, I
don't get it.

978
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,360
But I can see that happening.
However, now looking at it like

979
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,160
she hasn't truly let that go.
So they roll her in the way that

980
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,760
people they're not going to make
them.

981
00:56:20,970 --> 00:56:23,210
Fall for each other.
Only thing that we can possibly

982
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:29,010
get at the end is she like tries
to save Negan or she has some

983
00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:33,170
intimate moments but not sexual
intimate moments with.

984
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:35,450
Right.
Just enough for her to be like,

985
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:37,690
okay, you know what?
You let her guard down?

986
00:56:37,690 --> 00:56:40,570
Yeah, she let her guard down and
kind of like, you know, talk to

987
00:56:40,570 --> 00:56:41,570
him.
That's the only thing we can.

988
00:56:41,570 --> 00:56:46,250
Like him as a person instead of
this one image she always has of

989
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:47,370
him.
Because again.

990
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:51,230
I am one of those people.
I am big on redemption arcs.

991
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:57,950
I am big on people being allowed
to grow and change because yes,

992
00:56:57,950 --> 00:57:00,830
it does happen.
Yes, he did some horrible stuff.

993
00:57:01,030 --> 00:57:06,190
He was a shitty ass person.
But ten years down the road if

994
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:10,030
y'all are still treating him
like he is the same person.

995
00:57:10,030 --> 00:57:13,710
Like none of the stuff that he
went through was enough to

996
00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:16,430
change him.
I mean, think about it.

997
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:19,510
Kept him locked up for almost 7
years.

998
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:22,950
First, if that don't change a
person, nothing.

999
00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:29,430
Two, you have these people who
actually took the time to try to

1000
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:32,870
get to know him.
Like Judith had no prejudices

1001
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:35,470
against him.
She was like, he's a different

1002
00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:37,150
person.
She even tried to tell Michonne

1003
00:57:37,150 --> 00:57:39,510
that she was like, he's my
friend, he's the only person

1004
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:43,520
that really talks to me.
Like Megan was helping her with

1005
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:44,840
her homework.
Come on now.

1006
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:50,920
You know when you can see these
glimpses of this person and who

1007
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,160
he's trying to be or he's trying
to be like, OK, you know what?

1008
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,400
Obviously me, me being an
asshole didn't work because look

1009
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,320
where I am now.
OK, let me figure something else

1010
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,240
out.
Because other than that, I'm

1011
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,760
going to be in these four walls
for the rest of my life.

1012
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:11,840
But yeah, at some point.
She is going to have to let her

1013
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,720
guard down.
She is going to have to.

1014
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:20,360
I feel like she's going to have
to work out a way to actually

1015
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,480
trust him because if she
doesn't, she's going to end up

1016
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:29,000
with a train car in the tunnel
situation again where he has an

1017
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,440
opportunity to leave her by the
wayside.

1018
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,800
And he's going to take it
because he's going to, he's

1019
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,080
going to be like, what's the
whole time?

1020
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,650
This shit.
You treated me like shit.

1021
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:43,890
You're probably going to try to
kill me again because at this

1022
00:58:43,890 --> 00:58:46,810
point, like, what was he?
He said in the last episode, He

1023
00:58:46,810 --> 00:58:50,570
said, you know, I thought you
were already past this point,

1024
00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:53,810
but obviously not.
So what are we doing?

1025
00:58:53,890 --> 00:58:58,770
Like, Like, right?
You called me.

1026
00:59:00,650 --> 00:59:03,650
You kind of got me.
You've been breaking the balls

1027
00:59:03,690 --> 00:59:06,850
up the East Coast trying to find
me.

1028
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,480
So obviously you need me more
than I need you.

1029
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,920
Naked.
Probably could have gone the

1030
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,840
rest of his life and never came
across Maggie again, and he

1031
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:21,120
would not be bothered.
And you know what?

1032
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,600
He could have really solved this
problems this episode because he

1033
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,360
could literally just kind of
like pushed her and have her

1034
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,840
hang in there for a while.
I'm just saying.

1035
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,280
Or he could have just turned
around and walked on me like,

1036
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,480
oh, when she said I got it oh.
OK, you got it.

1037
00:59:36,530 --> 00:59:39,250
No, I'm talking about like, push
it so she can fall and see, you

1038
00:59:39,250 --> 00:59:40,450
know, what I'm doing with my
problems.

1039
00:59:40,450 --> 00:59:43,850
I'm going home.
No, he wouldn't have.

1040
00:59:43,850 --> 00:59:46,730
And that's the point.
He's like, come on, because it's

1041
00:59:46,730 --> 00:59:48,450
no need to.
I had.

1042
00:59:48,490 --> 00:59:51,370
To do it at the.
Time, right?

1043
00:59:51,930 --> 00:59:54,890
Just like how he did that, man.
I can slit your throat, but I'm

1044
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:56,450
not going to.
He could.

1045
00:59:56,530 --> 00:59:59,450
He could have kicked her down
the ladder into the into that

1046
00:59:59,450 --> 01:00:02,570
little those walkers that were
still falling from the sky.

1047
01:00:03,850 --> 01:00:05,250
He could have kicked her down
the ladder.

1048
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,160
He could, but he's not doing
that.

1049
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,920
But I have to watch my back with
you, because once we get your

1050
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,080
son, y'all may decide y'all
going to leave me to some

1051
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,880
walkers, right?
Yep.

1052
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,040
And you know that's about to be
a problem with Herschel when she

1053
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,360
shows up to save him and she got
Megan with them.

1054
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,880
Especially since the Croat
mentioned it and, like, rub salt

1055
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,920
in that wound.
Yes.

1056
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,240
Have you met the men that killed
your daddy?

1057
01:00:33,330 --> 01:00:35,930
Yes, I have.
He saved my life, right?

1058
01:00:36,050 --> 01:00:38,330
Right.
Saved my Mama life.

1059
01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:41,970
Yes, save the community's life.
Our peoples.

1060
01:00:42,970 --> 01:00:45,290
Come on.
Helped end the war.

1061
01:00:46,810 --> 01:00:50,730
Yeah, yeah.
And you want to focus on 2

1062
01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:51,610
little bats?
Wings.

1063
01:00:51,610 --> 01:00:52,810
Because you know what?
You know what?

1064
01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:55,250
He also helped in the common
world too.

1065
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:58,330
So yeah, you know what?
Casey that's wrong.

1066
01:00:59,090 --> 01:01:02,050
That's wrong.
But I mean.

1067
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:07,080
Yeah, but like I said, we, we
could do a whole, we could do a

1068
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,320
whole episode, this whole median
thing.

1069
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,480
And you know, for some people it
just wouldn't make a difference.

1070
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,880
They're just determined to see
him as the monster he was as a

1071
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,840
person he has become now.
And I, you know.

1072
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,520
Someone has to be the bad guy
and it's him, right?

1073
01:01:26,290 --> 01:01:28,530
But I also feel sorry for people
who are like that.

1074
01:01:28,530 --> 01:01:31,330
Because again, you are saying
that people can't change, that

1075
01:01:31,330 --> 01:01:33,890
people can't learn, that people
can't grow.

1076
01:01:35,010 --> 01:01:40,170
You know, you're so stuck.
On that also that also calls

1077
01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:44,850
back to The Walking Dead.
When they took over the prison

1078
01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:48,410
and and found the prisoners, not
all of them were bad yet it was

1079
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:52,090
prisoners, but not every last
one of them was bad, right?

1080
01:01:52,090 --> 01:01:54,130
Some kids.
Just had speeding tickets that

1081
01:01:54,130 --> 01:01:56,910
wouldn't pay.
And wrote bad checks.

1082
01:01:57,150 --> 01:01:59,390
I mean, serious is like wrote
bad checks and then there's

1083
01:01:59,390 --> 01:02:01,390
murderers.
And then you just, I mean, y'all

1084
01:02:01,390 --> 01:02:04,030
are doing the same thing.
And it's not like Negan started

1085
01:02:04,030 --> 01:02:07,870
off, but he just was going to
place the place killing people

1086
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:12,830
on purpose like a a serial
killer.

1087
01:02:13,390 --> 01:02:16,150
He wasn't doing that.
So we understand if he was a

1088
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:20,150
serial killer, okay, we can't.
But this was a person who had to

1089
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:26,050
make changes to survive.
Because ultimately, right.

1090
01:02:26,050 --> 01:02:29,930
And ultimately we have to, we
can wish that we will be great

1091
01:02:29,930 --> 01:02:34,530
people in these situations.
We can sit back and talk about,

1092
01:02:34,530 --> 01:02:38,010
oh, I would be like this, I
would do this, I would do this.

1093
01:02:38,330 --> 01:02:42,370
But we don't know until we are
put into that situation.

1094
01:02:44,290 --> 01:02:46,850
And with three of us on this
podcast, we will have three

1095
01:02:46,850 --> 01:02:54,070
different communities.
And one of us, it's not going to

1096
01:02:54,070 --> 01:02:58,030
be so nice and we don't know
which one that would be, All

1097
01:02:58,670 --> 01:03:00,630
right.
Not right you don't, you don't

1098
01:03:00,630 --> 01:03:06,230
know because some could flip
that that's flip the switch and

1099
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:09,910
we are.
We be sitting.

1100
01:03:11,110 --> 01:03:14,230
There, like, right, we're not
going to be alphas.

1101
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:18,070
Now I'll be alpha.
I'm gonna tell you that right

1102
01:03:18,070 --> 01:03:19,070
now.
But you never.

1103
01:03:19,070 --> 01:03:22,070
But you never know.
What out of three of us we are

1104
01:03:22,070 --> 01:03:23,990
not putting on no skins and
stuff like.

1105
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:27,110
That no, no, no.
And then we were not that quick

1106
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:30,910
to begin with, because Alpha
wasn't a great mother to begin

1107
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:33,590
with.
Yeah, she was, Yeah.

1108
01:03:33,590 --> 01:03:36,110
So we.
Just know all the kids in my

1109
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:37,790
community getting their asses
were.

1110
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:41,760
We'll have some rules.
It's going.

1111
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,760
To be belts lined up when they
get out of line.

1112
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,760
You know how they had the pipes.
Some have belts on pipes like

1113
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,560
get out of line.
It might be some.

1114
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:54,000
It might be some people who's
like we we old school, we are

1115
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,080
80s babies.
We got spankings.

1116
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:01,040
Hello, we got spankings.
That made us figure out real

1117
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:02,880
quick.
Matter of fact, we want.

1118
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,800
For the act like.
Open that tree and get your

1119
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:09,120
switch.
Don't get don't get the switch.

1120
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:12,810
Pick out your web.
Choose your weapon because.

1121
01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:17,130
Right.
OK, so the only thing, the only

1122
01:04:17,130 --> 01:04:20,050
other thing we really have to
talk about in this episode is

1123
01:04:20,050 --> 01:04:21,210
Pearly Armstrong.
How?

1124
01:04:24,010 --> 01:04:27,450
He ain't see the squirrel sign?
I see.

1125
01:04:28,890 --> 01:04:30,930
What kind of police detective
are you and?

1126
01:04:32,650 --> 01:04:35,290
We didn't even need him.
We didn't even need him this

1127
01:04:35,290 --> 01:04:36,570
episode.
We didn't.

1128
01:04:37,810 --> 01:04:40,530
I mean, his whole scenes are
just giving us a little back

1129
01:04:40,530 --> 01:04:44,130
story on him, which, OK, here's
a couple of other things that I

1130
01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:46,730
have issues with as far as
things that happen.

1131
01:04:46,730 --> 01:04:52,890
So he has this envelope that
belongs to his brother.

1132
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:55,820
That he has been looking at
since the last episode.

1133
01:04:55,820 --> 01:04:59,420
So he finally decides to try to
go there because of course he

1134
01:04:59,420 --> 01:05:03,260
got knocked out with during his
confrontation with Maggie and

1135
01:05:03,260 --> 01:05:06,300
Negan.
He's in the dry cleaner place.

1136
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:09,420
He can't get to his gun because
walkers are walking past.

1137
01:05:09,420 --> 01:05:11,860
And first of all, who's the
first Walker?

1138
01:05:11,860 --> 01:05:15,780
It's it's your boy, Grits.
Like the person that you brought

1139
01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:20,140
in who wasn't paying attention
to the front door and got ran,

1140
01:05:20,220 --> 01:05:24,680
you know, got.
Stampeded and eaten by walkers.

1141
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:35,600
But anyway, yeah, that.
Anyway, so pearly goes to the

1142
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,040
apartment complex or the
apartment building where his

1143
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,640
brother lives.
He tries to get him the door.

1144
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,800
Now, instead of just trying to
kick the door open with one good

1145
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:51,200
kick, he kicks through the door
and makes so much fucking noise.

1146
01:05:52,260 --> 01:05:55,460
And I don't just.
I don't know how he got that

1147
01:05:55,460 --> 01:05:57,540
job.
Someone didn't come to work.

1148
01:05:58,340 --> 01:06:01,140
He's the worst.
Yes he is.

1149
01:06:01,140 --> 01:06:02,660
He still do the.
Shit.

1150
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:08,940
Not shooting.
Even if your brother was in

1151
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:14,340
there, he just shot your ass.
You bit Bamming and beating on

1152
01:06:14,340 --> 01:06:17,180
my door like this.
Right, right.

1153
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:20,810
So he goes in the apartment, he
puts a dress in front of the

1154
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:23,450
door, because of course the door
is all broken up now.

1155
01:06:24,130 --> 01:06:26,850
And you know, he kind of goes
through the apartment and see.

1156
01:06:26,850 --> 01:06:29,730
And obviously his brother, his
brother stayed alive for quite a

1157
01:06:29,730 --> 01:06:33,210
while because you see all these
empty cans where the brother had

1158
01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:36,650
eaten all through this stuff.
But then you also find drug

1159
01:06:36,690 --> 01:06:41,810
paraphernalia on the stove.
So obviously either his brother

1160
01:06:41,810 --> 01:06:50,150
was a junkie, yes.
It was, it was like, it was like

1161
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:53,830
one of those.
So I I've never done drugs.

1162
01:06:53,830 --> 01:06:59,070
I've never seen them up close.
But if you look at different TV

1163
01:06:59,070 --> 01:07:02,630
shows, you see how they have the
like they'll they'll put, you

1164
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:05,790
know the little drugs in the
spoon and then they have the

1165
01:07:05,790 --> 01:07:09,430
little glass thing where where
they they smoke it, they smoke

1166
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:12,910
the, the the vapors from
whatever it is that they're

1167
01:07:12,910 --> 01:07:14,870
burning.
That's what was on the stove.

1168
01:07:15,490 --> 01:07:17,530
So he had the spoon for the
crack.

1169
01:07:18,290 --> 01:07:24,410
You saying cuz yeah or heroin?
Cuz you know you're not saying I

1170
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:28,130
have OK making this clear.
I have not either since we know

1171
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:31,050
what job I do.
I'm just saying that I am aware

1172
01:07:31,050 --> 01:07:34,490
that with the spoon normally we
will put crack in it and burn it

1173
01:07:34,850 --> 01:07:37,850
or heroin and burn and then get
the needles.

1174
01:07:37,850 --> 01:07:40,490
Was there needles?
I didn't think I saw the needle,

1175
01:07:40,650 --> 01:07:42,250
I think.
That's why I'm rewinding too

1176
01:07:42,530 --> 01:07:44,370
like.
I think I just saw the little

1177
01:07:44,370 --> 01:07:50,090
like bomb type thing, but and
either way it goes, his his

1178
01:07:50,090 --> 01:07:53,330
brother was obviously a junkie.
Now whether he was a junkie when

1179
01:07:53,330 --> 01:07:55,770
all this stuff went down or
whether this was something that

1180
01:07:55,770 --> 01:07:58,890
he did afterwards, I mean I
don't really know where you

1181
01:07:58,890 --> 01:08:02,490
would go to find drugs during a
zombie apocalypse at this point

1182
01:08:03,050 --> 01:08:04,370
unless.
You already knew.

1183
01:08:04,730 --> 01:08:07,090
Yeah, unless you already knew
where to go.

1184
01:08:07,610 --> 01:08:10,650
So he goes through the
apartment.

1185
01:08:11,620 --> 01:08:15,660
He's trying to look for
something and obviously what we

1186
01:08:15,660 --> 01:08:17,220
found out, he's looking for a
gun case.

1187
01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:22,220
I guess he knew his brother had
it, but when he opens it up, the

1188
01:08:22,220 --> 01:08:25,460
gun is gone.
There are no bullets in the box,

1189
01:08:25,859 --> 01:08:31,380
so he happens to be looking at a
photo that was on the the the

1190
01:08:32,260 --> 01:08:37,460
Bureau wall or door rather.
And it's a photo of him and his

1191
01:08:37,460 --> 01:08:40,340
brother and I guess that their
parents when they were younger,

1192
01:08:40,540 --> 01:08:42,020
and there's a mirror on the
door.

1193
01:08:42,020 --> 01:08:45,540
And in the reflection of the
mirror he sees the body slumped

1194
01:08:45,540 --> 01:08:47,580
in a chair.
So obviously this is his

1195
01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:50,540
brother.
So he goes into the room and he

1196
01:08:50,540 --> 01:08:52,939
sees that his brother committed
suicide.

1197
01:08:53,180 --> 01:08:56,420
So I guess he was like, okay,
I'm out of food.

1198
01:08:56,740 --> 01:08:58,740
There may have been walkers all
through the building.

1199
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:00,540
He was like, look, I'm not going
to do this.

1200
01:09:00,580 --> 01:09:03,380
I I'm, I'm just going to go
ahead and end my life.

1201
01:09:05,710 --> 01:09:09,310
So after he covers his brother's
body up and he gets the gun, you

1202
01:09:09,310 --> 01:09:13,710
hear like walkers when he walks
out the door.

1203
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:16,590
Walkers are trying to get in
through the door.

1204
01:09:16,590 --> 01:09:23,670
Now my question is, usually
walkers, Granted they probably

1205
01:09:23,670 --> 01:09:27,550
heard the noise from when he was
trying to break down the door,

1206
01:09:27,950 --> 01:09:30,470
but it's not like the walkers
are going to go past the door

1207
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:33,590
and say, oh, this door has a
hole in it, let us try to go in

1208
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:37,210
and.
So that again was a little

1209
01:09:37,890 --> 01:09:39,970
confusing.
Remember there were variance.

1210
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:45,450
Those weren't no variance, and
the variance only existed in the

1211
01:09:45,450 --> 01:09:50,210
main show and we see.
Well, it's a continuation.

1212
01:09:51,930 --> 01:09:56,530
So with Negan and Maggie and and
Negan seeing variance.

1213
01:09:56,530 --> 01:09:58,890
So we need to have variance.
I'm waiting for something to

1214
01:09:58,890 --> 01:10:01,850
streamline across the rope too,
we have to be.

1215
01:10:02,450 --> 01:10:06,010
They gave us a variance in a
show that ended without telling

1216
01:10:06,010 --> 01:10:11,330
us anymore about these variants.
Like, no, these aren't variants

1217
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:13,970
in in New York City.
No, they're not.

1218
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:20,330
That's just sloppy writing.
That's just sloppy writing.

1219
01:10:20,570 --> 01:10:25,130
But anyway, so he, he he gets
out of a window, he goes down,

1220
01:10:25,130 --> 01:10:27,480
fire escape.
He goes into an alley and like

1221
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:30,840
you said, he's looking there.
There's a symbol on the wall

1222
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,120
which I didn't even realize what
that symbol was.

1223
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,760
Is it a squirrel?
A flying squirt.

1224
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,160
Oh, OK.
So he sees the symbol on the

1225
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:43,040
wall and he keeps walking, and
he walks right into a trap.

1226
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:51,680
OK, So come nightfall, you have
walkers who have surrounded him

1227
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,480
in this trap, and it's one of
those net traps.

1228
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:55,760
So he's basically dangling in
the alley.

1229
01:10:56,140 --> 01:10:57,820
And the walkers are trying to
get to him.

1230
01:10:59,660 --> 01:11:02,500
Then you see three people pull
up that are obviously part of

1231
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:05,620
the Baroczy, which is what the
Croats people are called.

1232
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:11,740
And they have on these helmets
that have like different spikes

1233
01:11:11,740 --> 01:11:14,940
and different little things
attached to them and that they

1234
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:17,060
basically hit but the walkers
and kill them.

1235
01:11:17,060 --> 01:11:23,340
I was like, what anybody else
ever think of that like?

1236
01:11:23,930 --> 01:11:26,810
You need one of those helmets if
ever a zombie apocalypse should

1237
01:11:26,930 --> 01:11:31,170
should appear.
But it's the it's the crow at

1238
01:11:31,210 --> 01:11:34,810
and he's got two of his people.
They let Curly down and he's

1239
01:11:34,810 --> 01:11:38,730
like, oh, you're safe now.
And then they take him.

1240
01:11:39,370 --> 01:11:43,010
So I'm like, what this?
I don't know if he's one of

1241
01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:47,330
those people that that gathers
people and then gives them a

1242
01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:48,970
choice.
Oh okay, you're going to join us

1243
01:11:48,970 --> 01:11:54,710
or you're going to leave, but.
I I guess I feel like that dude

1244
01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:56,190
obviously was not coming for
you.

1245
01:11:56,190 --> 01:12:00,230
But then again, he doesn't know.
He doesn't know because his

1246
01:12:00,230 --> 01:12:04,790
people who were able to go back
and tell him, hey, we tried to

1247
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:08,910
raid this safe house and this
guy cut up one of our people and

1248
01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:11,790
threw him over the balcony.
They probably didn't really

1249
01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:14,190
describe him or they just said
it was a man.

1250
01:12:14,190 --> 01:12:17,710
So at this point the crow had
may not know who Pearly is.

1251
01:12:17,710 --> 01:12:20,710
He may think that it was the
same person.

1252
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:27,560
So I don't know, but again, not
a fan of Pearly Armstrong.

1253
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,040
This particular scene I was
like, okay, I guess y'all are

1254
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,840
giving us some background.
All but all y'all are telling us

1255
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,840
is that his brother's A junkie
and he had a gun.

1256
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,480
So I just, I don't know.
I just don't like the character

1257
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,260
so far.
He does nothing for me and I'm

1258
01:12:45,260 --> 01:12:47,900
just like, okay.
I really, I really don't need to

1259
01:12:47,900 --> 01:12:50,500
see him.
Show me the and the Maggie

1260
01:12:50,500 --> 01:12:51,980
stuff.
Show me how we're moving.

1261
01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:54,660
Forward.
So.

1262
01:12:55,260 --> 01:12:56,620
You know they got to give you
filler.

1263
01:12:58,500 --> 01:13:02,100
Y'all can give me filler by
telling me more about Hilltop

1264
01:13:02,140 --> 01:13:06,180
and there's their practices for
protecting the community and how

1265
01:13:06,180 --> 01:13:09,020
the hill they got raided.
Because again, like I said, you

1266
01:13:09,060 --> 01:13:12,500
only got one guard.
Yeah, how clearly are doing

1267
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:14,340
something right.
Well, you saw how they got

1268
01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:15,900
raided.
They had one guard.

1269
01:13:16,140 --> 01:13:17,860
It's probably was 4 guards
before.

1270
01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:22,260
So it still wasn't enough.
They're hiring.

1271
01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:27,260
Yeah, What?
What?

1272
01:13:27,260 --> 01:13:29,740
Look, what are the job
qualifications?

1273
01:13:30,180 --> 01:13:31,420
Apparently not.
Shit.

1274
01:13:35,460 --> 01:13:37,260
Maybe not.
It can't.

1275
01:13:37,940 --> 01:13:40,380
It can't be hire criteria.
Right.

1276
01:13:40,860 --> 01:13:43,340
Right.
But I find it interesting that

1277
01:13:43,340 --> 01:13:49,540
the Croat who supposedly is
this, this new menacing person,

1278
01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:53,900
you know, antagonist, we've only
seen them twice so far.

1279
01:13:54,780 --> 01:13:57,940
You know, we catch them at the
very end of the episodes and

1280
01:13:57,940 --> 01:14:00,580
it's just enough for us to look
at, be like okay, they do that

1281
01:14:00,580 --> 01:14:05,740
rap too tight, but.
Then my question is, how far is

1282
01:14:05,740 --> 01:14:09,900
fucking Hilltop from Manhattan,
right?

1283
01:14:09,980 --> 01:14:13,860
That's my question.
That her son and took him all

1284
01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:16,980
the way fucking back.
Or even supplies, because even

1285
01:14:16,980 --> 01:14:19,460
the other group was growing shit
in the building.

1286
01:14:19,460 --> 01:14:23,540
I'm confused, right?
Well, you know what she she did

1287
01:14:23,540 --> 01:14:26,580
tell Megan when she followed
them.

1288
01:14:26,580 --> 01:14:29,580
She did say I followed them up
the Hudson.

1289
01:14:29,580 --> 01:14:33,620
So maybe they are also using
boats, So maybe she is near.

1290
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,240
The water.
But again, still it's kind of

1291
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:40,520
like, I don't know, because
looking, thinking about it on

1292
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,520
the map, you've got Alexandria
and Virginia.

1293
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,160
You've got the Commonwealth in
Ohio.

1294
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,960
She's right now in Manhattan.
So it's got to be somewhere in

1295
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:53,960
that.
And then don't even my Oceanside

1296
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:58,320
was by the water.
Because remember the Oceanside

1297
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,900
hilltop?
It was Oceanside, Hilltop, The

1298
01:15:00,900 --> 01:15:04,100
Kingdom, and Alexandria.
And they were, that was.

1299
01:15:04,220 --> 01:15:09,420
Their network and with Oceanside
being on the water and we know

1300
01:15:09,420 --> 01:15:12,820
Alexandria's in Virginia.
Where's the Hilltop and the

1301
01:15:12,820 --> 01:15:18,020
Kingdom And for him to bypass
all of those because now

1302
01:15:18,020 --> 01:15:20,580
everybody's.
Where's the Commonwealth Ohio.

1303
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:24,180
You said so.
But there were still people in

1304
01:15:24,180 --> 01:15:26,620
Alexandria.
Remember it was our outpost, so

1305
01:15:26,620 --> 01:15:30,290
that that space is still there.
You you didn't by chance run

1306
01:15:32,170 --> 01:15:34,450
across.
Alexandria is probably further

1307
01:15:34,450 --> 01:15:39,090
South than wherever the Hilltop
is, and he probably didn't make

1308
01:15:39,090 --> 01:15:44,770
it that far down at Alexandria.
But again, Alexandria, you know,

1309
01:15:44,770 --> 01:15:48,490
are people going to have 10
people on the gates, especially

1310
01:15:48,490 --> 01:15:51,210
after what they just went to the
Commonwealth.

1311
01:15:51,940 --> 01:15:55,700
And the fact that Ezekiel and
Mercer are now, you know, over

1312
01:15:55,700 --> 01:15:58,380
the Commonwealth, you can't tell
me they don't have soldiers

1313
01:15:58,380 --> 01:16:01,940
outside of Alexandria.
Now they do.

1314
01:16:02,180 --> 01:16:05,940
They probably have soldiers
outside of all of our places.

1315
01:16:06,260 --> 01:16:11,700
Again, this begs to question,
with Maggie and Hilltop one,

1316
01:16:11,860 --> 01:16:14,660
where does she move Hilltop to
one?

1317
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:19,740
Why does she move it so far away
from her family, her people?

1318
01:16:21,210 --> 01:16:25,010
And then three, especially
because Ezekiel would definitely

1319
01:16:25,010 --> 01:16:27,330
have been like, oh, we'll send
y'all some soldiers.

1320
01:16:27,730 --> 01:16:30,170
So what happened?
Did you did she distance herself

1321
01:16:30,170 --> 01:16:33,050
from them again?
Could that be the reason why

1322
01:16:33,050 --> 01:16:36,130
Herschel is pissed?
Like, what was the deal?

1323
01:16:37,530 --> 01:16:39,770
Yeah, Maggie got a whole lot of
explaining to do.

1324
01:16:40,010 --> 01:16:45,970
Yeah, yeah.
But did we?

1325
01:16:46,290 --> 01:16:50,010
I think we got everything.
Did I miss it?

1326
01:16:50,710 --> 01:16:52,630
No, that's it.
That's everything.

1327
01:16:52,670 --> 01:16:58,790
Yeah, because it was mostly the
Negan and Maggie stuff and then

1328
01:17:00,470 --> 01:17:02,630
early and then the Hilltop
stuff.

1329
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:05,510
And the Hilltop stuff would
really wasn't that much.

1330
01:17:05,790 --> 01:17:08,270
It just it gave us more
questions than answers,

1331
01:17:08,350 --> 01:17:11,510
especially because of the
flashback with with Herschel,

1332
01:17:12,110 --> 01:17:15,860
you know, but.
Hopefully, now that they've

1333
01:17:15,860 --> 01:17:20,300
given us some story, they'll use
these next few episodes to start

1334
01:17:20,300 --> 01:17:23,300
explaining some of this shit.
Right, because we only have four

1335
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:26,820
episodes left in this show.
Because you can't just

1336
01:17:28,420 --> 01:17:30,300
information information
information information

1337
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:33,380
information and not explain the
information that I'm getting.

1338
01:17:34,420 --> 01:17:37,180
Confusing me, right?
Right.

1339
01:17:37,420 --> 01:17:40,540
But the only thing I do hope get
resolved by the end of this is

1340
01:17:40,540 --> 01:17:42,700
that fucking chip is gone
because it's getting my fucking

1341
01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:44,020
hair.
Yeah, yeah.

1342
01:17:44,850 --> 01:17:48,330
But also, I feel like if you're
just giving information,

1343
01:17:48,330 --> 01:17:51,690
information, information,
information with a whole new

1344
01:17:51,690 --> 01:17:55,530
show, like you have to show me
what the purpose was of this

1345
01:17:55,530 --> 01:18:00,330
show because Maggie and me and
stuff, we kind of got that in an

1346
01:18:00,490 --> 01:18:03,010
in an additional season of The
Walking Dead, Y'all could have

1347
01:18:03,010 --> 01:18:08,330
given us another season and we
could have explored that, you

1348
01:18:08,330 --> 01:18:13,020
know, so.
Again, it's going to go back to

1349
01:18:13,020 --> 01:18:16,340
what what I've said about some
other shows and you know, what

1350
01:18:16,340 --> 01:18:19,060
we've said about Fear The
Walking Dead just make it make

1351
01:18:19,060 --> 01:18:20,980
sense.
I'm not complaining about the

1352
01:18:20,980 --> 01:18:23,660
fact that we have a Maggie Negan
show because I love those two

1353
01:18:23,660 --> 01:18:26,940
characters and I actually do
love the dynamic.

1354
01:18:26,940 --> 01:18:34,740
I love seeing how this, this
relationship is progressing or,

1355
01:18:34,740 --> 01:18:38,100
you know, how it's moving
forward because it started.

1356
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:42,990
So violently and so horribly.
Like how do you take these two

1357
01:18:42,990 --> 01:18:48,110
characters and you evolve them
over a 1015 year span?

1358
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:51,670
That's what I want to get out of
the show and you kind of do see

1359
01:18:51,670 --> 01:18:53,710
that.
But again, like like like we

1360
01:18:53,710 --> 01:19:00,430
said with Maggie, she needs to
to let go and maybe this show is

1361
01:19:00,430 --> 01:19:05,430
going to show us that finally
happening for her because I I

1362
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:08,730
can say that.
After the conversation she had

1363
01:19:08,730 --> 01:19:13,010
with Megan in the Commonwealth,
after everything happened where

1364
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:17,210
we see she doesn't forgive him,
but there is kind of sort of a

1365
01:19:17,210 --> 01:19:21,290
truce there, you know, like she
said, she accepted the fact that

1366
01:19:21,290 --> 01:19:24,450
he was a change person or that
he was trying to change.

1367
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:30,490
Now if you go from that to never
seeing him again, I can kind of

1368
01:19:30,490 --> 01:19:33,370
see how her feelings will regret
because you're not having to

1369
01:19:33,370 --> 01:19:37,720
confront this issue.
It's outside out of mind.

1370
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,680
But now that you need him again
you are you are pulling up all

1371
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,960
of these feelings that you never
resolved.

1372
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,040
So I can kind of see why that
why that has happened.

1373
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,400
But again at this point you need
to go ahead and resolve this

1374
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:54,520
because.
Who in that kind of gates, I'm

1375
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,240
not giving her that.
I'm I'm I'm not giving her that

1376
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,930
because.
Like she said before, it doesn't

1377
01:19:59,930 --> 01:20:02,370
never go away.
Like she has to face it every

1378
01:20:02,370 --> 01:20:03,970
day.
So she was still facing when he

1379
01:20:03,970 --> 01:20:06,210
wasn't around, right?
And that's what she said.

1380
01:20:06,290 --> 01:20:08,570
I get that.
I'm just trying to rationalize

1381
01:20:08,570 --> 01:20:10,250
what could be happening with
her.

1382
01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:13,890
But even with that last
conversation with Megan, she did

1383
01:20:13,890 --> 01:20:18,370
say to him that she was going to
try to forgive him.

1384
01:20:18,370 --> 01:20:22,810
Because I don't want my son to
see that another person has this

1385
01:20:22,810 --> 01:20:27,170
kind of hold over me.
And he still does, yeah.

1386
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:32,950
Yeah, but I mean, like I said, I
I have never been in a situation

1387
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:35,830
like that where I hated someone
that much.

1388
01:20:36,270 --> 01:20:39,150
You know, I've had people do
things wrong to me and this,

1389
01:20:39,150 --> 01:20:41,510
that and the other, but I've
never gotten to the point where

1390
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:44,310
it was somebody that I was like,
oh, if I had a chance, I would

1391
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:48,030
kill you.
So I don't know what that type

1392
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:53,190
of healing is.
Like, I don't know what is

1393
01:20:53,190 --> 01:20:57,460
required of me.
To release that kind of hurt and

1394
01:20:57,460 --> 01:21:01,260
hate and anger.
So I can only speculate, but

1395
01:21:01,260 --> 01:21:04,540
yeah, at this point.
Again, it's a lot of, it's a

1396
01:21:04,540 --> 01:21:06,420
lot.
I mean, I don't either, but just

1397
01:21:06,420 --> 01:21:09,740
working with other people, it's
it's a lot of, it's a lot of

1398
01:21:09,740 --> 01:21:13,580
work and it's kind of hard
because it's something where

1399
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:17,580
sorry, therapy will help and
that's not a case in this

1400
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:21,980
situation.
So it's it's work and it's time

1401
01:21:21,980 --> 01:21:25,830
and it's work and it's time and.
I forgot that part where she

1402
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:27,430
said she was going to work on
it.

1403
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:36,350
But if if nothing is like making
her work on it, yeah, yeah, I

1404
01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:39,470
like that, right?
And I like going back to

1405
01:21:39,470 --> 01:21:42,550
something you said.
I like that we have the dead

1406
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:44,550
city.
It could have just been The

1407
01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:47,270
Walking Dead.
I do feel like it's.

1408
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:51,340
Forced.
Some So that's just my opinion.

1409
01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:54,780
I kind of feel like I love the
two characters together and

1410
01:21:54,780 --> 01:21:57,420
where this will go.
But like everything else seems a

1411
01:21:57,420 --> 01:22:01,380
little forced and it would feel
a little bit more natural if we

1412
01:22:01,380 --> 01:22:05,180
were just continuing on
something else from Walking

1413
01:22:05,180 --> 01:22:06,900
Dead.
That's just me.

1414
01:22:07,260 --> 01:22:11,580
Yeah, because again, you know,
like I said, the the character

1415
01:22:11,580 --> 01:22:14,260
Pearl Armstrong.
Like, I really don't see the

1416
01:22:14,260 --> 01:22:17,060
purpose of having him.
Except for the fact that he's a

1417
01:22:17,060 --> 01:22:19,300
Marshall that's looking for
Megan.

1418
01:22:20,140 --> 01:22:24,500
But you know, again, we're only
two episodes and we still have 4

1419
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:26,380
episodes.
Like Casey said, I'm hoping

1420
01:22:26,380 --> 01:22:30,540
we'll get more information as
far as like what the situation

1421
01:22:30,540 --> 01:22:34,260
was, because Megan has already
told Maggie what they said I

1422
01:22:34,260 --> 01:22:35,820
did.
It didn't happen that way.

1423
01:22:36,740 --> 01:22:39,460
So it's kind of like, So what
did happen?

1424
01:22:39,460 --> 01:22:41,140
What's the back?
What's the back story?

1425
01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:42,780
Why are they looking for you,
Megan?

1426
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,440
You know, and then for them to
know enough about Negan to be

1427
01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:50,880
like, yeah, this man has been,
he's been strong arming his way,

1428
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:55,640
you know, being greedy,
gathering things or what was

1429
01:22:55,640 --> 01:23:00,120
that?
They said no, he said that in

1430
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:01,520
the.
He said that in the first

1431
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,840
episode when he was in the bar,
he was talking about Negan and

1432
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,590
he was like.
He's built up an empire like a

1433
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:12,190
greedy king.
And then he goes into, the story

1434
01:23:12,190 --> 01:23:16,750
goes he once lined up a group of
people and bashed the man's head

1435
01:23:16,750 --> 01:23:18,190
in in front of his pregnant
wife.

1436
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:20,590
So yeah, he mentions.
That OK, I do remember that.

1437
01:23:20,590 --> 01:23:23,110
Now when you say it that way,
I'm like, OK, I do remember.

1438
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:25,070
So it's like OK you.
Do remember that.

1439
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:29,870
Built up an empire like a greedy
king, so I was like, OK at some

1440
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:32,990
point.
Negan must have made a name for

1441
01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:35,270
herself doing the same.
I I don't know.

1442
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:37,630
But it's kind of like I want
that back story.

1443
01:23:37,950 --> 01:23:41,590
Like did Negan go back into
savior mode or did he just kind

1444
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:44,390
of go back into the okay?
Well, I'm going to get these

1445
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:48,150
people up under me and have all
of these people around for me,

1446
01:23:48,150 --> 01:23:51,230
but like, I I just want to know
what what the difference is.

1447
01:23:51,230 --> 01:23:52,870
Like, what's the whole back
story?

1448
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:57,230
What has Negan been doing these
last however many years?

1449
01:23:58,180 --> 01:24:00,820
For him to be on Marshall's
radars and stuff like that.

1450
01:24:00,820 --> 01:24:04,780
So yeah, we got four more
episodes to explore it though.

1451
01:24:04,780 --> 01:24:08,180
So I hope, I hope that they give
us the information that we need

1452
01:24:08,220 --> 01:24:14,940
and they're not.
Yeah, But y'all.

1453
01:24:14,940 --> 01:24:17,940
Have any final thoughts on the
second episode?

1454
01:24:18,940 --> 01:24:21,900
I will say I liked how in the
beginning, in the very beginning

1455
01:24:21,900 --> 01:24:24,580
of the episode, they had the
double doors with the hands

1456
01:24:24,580 --> 01:24:28,360
coming through.
Oh yeah, I like that.

1457
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:32,360
Very reminiscent of the Don't
Dead Open Inside I.

1458
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,200
Said.
Oh, I see what you did there.

1459
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,080
But even with that, I was like,
so y'all just standing there

1460
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:43,640
looking at the door.
Why?

1461
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,120
Why these things trying to come
in?

1462
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:50,680
Oh girl was already halfway up
the ladder, but yeah.

1463
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,520
They don't get it together
hopefully.

1464
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,420
I hope so.
I hope so.

1465
01:24:56,660 --> 01:24:59,820
And maybe then after they get it
together they need to go back to

1466
01:24:59,820 --> 01:25:02,580
the hilltop and let them get it
together because what they doing

1467
01:25:02,580 --> 01:25:05,300
is not working anyway.
Ask for.

1468
01:25:09,290 --> 01:25:11,410
But anyway, that's it for our
show.

1469
01:25:11,410 --> 01:25:15,090
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1470
01:25:15,090 --> 01:25:17,810
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1471
01:25:17,810 --> 01:25:20,090
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1472
01:25:20,090 --> 01:25:22,570
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1473
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1474
01:25:25,610 --> 01:25:27,810
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1475
01:25:27,810 --> 01:25:29,570
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