The Walking Dead: Dead City S1E3 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #250

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Casey and Michelle, and we
are trying for the second time

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to discuss The Walking Dead.
Dead City Episode 3.

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And I say that because we
recorded this episode last week

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or we thought we recorded this
episode last week.

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We were talking, we were having
a good time.

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We got about an hour and 30
minutes in and I realized that

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the camera was not recording,
that the nothing was recording,

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and then when I stopped it to
check to see how far the

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recording got.
Had only gotten 14 minutes.

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I don't know what happened.
I don't know if I accidentally

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hit something, if my cat walked
across the keyboard, I don't

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know.
But yeah, we had to.

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I had to get my brain right.
So here we are once again,

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episode three of The Dead City.
And I'm going to start this one

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off the same way I started off
the last time because I'm a gone

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ahead and let Casey get what she
got to say out the way because.

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Watching the beginning of this
episode, this is all I heard in

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my head.
For those of Y'all who are

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watching, you see it as Casey's
screen name.

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Go ahead and say it Casey, you.
Need me the whooping?

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Give me the full-fledged
whooping.

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Because how you leave the safety
and sanctity of Hilltop.

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What we already know, it was
only one protected at the gate.

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You got my real real smooth.
See.

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No, you got to let me have my
full rant on that one.

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And you will, and you will.
But nonetheless, you still stole

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a bike.
Use that bike clearly on one

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tank of gas, and got all the way
to what?

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Is it the Hut's Yard from
wherever, excuse me, New Jersey?

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From wherever it is that the new
Hilltop is?

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And found the cooler.
Got her ass in a cooler and was

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able to levitate and and balance
herself with a little stick to

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paddle lacrosse with.
No walkers to get to the other

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side to get to the eye.
And you can't forget to mention

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that she even left long time ago
Negan when he turned around.

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And walked off.
God damn bear.

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What he say.
Whole time you've been stuck to

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my ass like blue.
I turned my back for two

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seconds.
You took the fuck off.

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You need a fucking whooping.
Or at least a bill tied around

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the neck.
I had, I just had so many

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questions about that because
one, we already know from what

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we've seen of the first part of
the final season of Fear The

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Walking Dead that I don't, I
don't know where the disconnect

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is, but we already know that
they are not casting these kid

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actors to portray accurate ages.
I don't even know how old Jenny

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is supposed to be.
What is that?

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From what we know about her, she
was with her father at a farm.

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Dad left to go scavenging.
She went to go find him, found

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his body, and she's been mute
ever since.

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And sticking to Megan like glue.
My question is, did your dad

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teach you how to travel across
the state or?

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From state to state.
Because again, we still don't

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really know where the new
Hilltop is located.

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But the fact that you just got
on a bike and all of a sudden

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found yourself on the New Jersey
shore?

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No map, like you, said Casey.
Probably no gas.

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What did she even take food
from?

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From Hilltop?
Did she take that little piece

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of bread that what's her name
left off?

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And then how do you have the
wherewithal to know the damn

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cooler going floor?
I would have thought of that

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shit.
I wouldn't either.

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I'm sorry, the.
Cooler going float and I'm gonna

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make it across.
Well, well, clearly we can't get

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in the cooler and float in the
igloo cooler.

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She she knew she could, I guess.
Our big ass would be right at

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the bottom of that, but.
But the other thing I was

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thinking of was when Megan and
Maggie went across the river in

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a boat.
In an actual boat.

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There were bodies floating in
the river.

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What please.
And even with the not just in

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the river the whole episode she
didn't made it to Manhattan.

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She's going through the streets
of Manhattan.

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You don't see now am Walker
chasing her.

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You don't see like she's able to
even I guess you can kind of say

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evade the walkers.
She gets away from one that

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almost has her leg and nobody
is.

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Coming after her?
No.

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Like does she have like zombie
repel on her?

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I I just have so many.
You have to keep in mind that

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especially with her not talking,
she is super quiet.

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Like benefit of the doubt, she's
quiet so she's able to move and

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maneuver through walkers
because.

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Apparently she walks on fucking
air.

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Because I don't.
So, so, so that's all I need is

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to be quiet and I can survive.
It's working for this child I I

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just flipping.
I just don't I I don't

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understand it.
Has she?

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Have we even seen her kill?
A Walker?

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No, no.
Remember even the one Negan

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killed, The one with the bag?
The.

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One in the flashback.
So maybe she still have her

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Apple phone and Neegan has an
Apple tag on she can't find it.

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Because that's the other
question I had.

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Just like I'm just saying you
got a tracker on them, I.

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Was like, so you just all of a
sudden like this, this grown ass

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man who obviously knows his way
around a Walker or two, tells

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you to go to this place.
Stay put, be safe, stay safe so

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I can go do what I need to go
do.

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And you leave to go find him
like he not a whole grown ass

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man who can take care of
himself.

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Like what are you going to do?
You won't even open your mouth

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to save yourself.
So does that say she cares about

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him and she wants to make sure
he's safe or she knows he I

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don't know which one he?
Is.

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I'm asking which one is it
because you ain't.

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She doesn't say anything.
I I'm going to.

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I'm going to say it's it's
probably that she cares about

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like this is a.
Guy that has been.

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Taking care of her, you know,
kind of if, I mean if you look

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at that flashback Rd.
Megan is in full daddy mode.

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He is in full daddy mode and you
know we we get a little bit more

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back story about him and Annie
and what happened with them.

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So we know that I guess in a way
she's kind of like a substitute

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for the child that he is no
longer around but.

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It's just like, I understand
he's important to you, but what

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are you going to do in
Manhattan?

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Unless, unless she she knows how
to get there because she's from

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there now.
If that's the case, okay maybe,

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But also if you're from
Manhattan, then you probably

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know what the fuck they did to
Manhattan, but I don't think so

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because of you think.
So she looks like she has to be

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maybe around, I would say
probably 13-14.

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Fourteen, maybe.
When Megan was talking to

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Tomasso and Amaya and he was,
you know, given the story about

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him, but without saying it was
him, he said about 12 to 15

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years back, this guy came on the
scene down South, So that's kind

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of.
Cementing the time frame for us

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somewhere between 12 and 15
years.

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Of course, they don't know
exactly how long, because nobody

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is exactly keeping up with the
calendar at this point.

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But we know that that's kind of
where things are, you know,

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about 15 years.
So that does put Herschel right

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around maybe thirteenish 12 at
the youngest, because by the

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time all this stuff happened
with Glenn.

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Maggie was pregnant and they
have been doing this for maybe

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close to three years because
Judith was just under two years

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old at the time.
So that can that at least gives

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us a little bit of you know, a
time frame to work with.

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But if that's the case Jenny
probably wasn't even alive when

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Manhattan fell and.
I don't think she's from.

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I don't think she's from there.
I just think this child is

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magical, you know?
She knows how to read maps and

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stuff, and she.
Didn't have a map to read, she.

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Knows.
How to she know how to read the

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stars, I don't know.
Because what's the likelihood?

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I mean, even with even with
Manhattan being shut down, that

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island is still very big.
I know, because.

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When when we went to New York to
visit like it, we did a lot of

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fucking walking.
Like, right.

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And subway riding.
So where he was and how to find?

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Them is right.
Right.

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Or at least you like.
You end up right there in the

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vicinity.
Or at least enough in an area

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where one of their people.
You know, she dropped her little

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thing and so OK, I get you
followed the person who has your

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thing because you want your
thing back.

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Maybe not necessarily knowing
that they would lead you to

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Negan, so to say, but.
I don't know.

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That whole thing is just weird.
It And and also, well, OK, so I

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was going to say yeah.
Wait, hold on before you go.

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And then the fact that the
person who found the thing, this

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thing ain't dirty.
It's not.

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Looking like it's been sitting
on the ground for you know the

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since the palms went off and
they're all rusty and dusty and

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you see a brand new, damn near
brand new toy on the ground you

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don't look around and be like.
Okay.

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So let's let's talk about her
real quick, because in that

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scene Jenny had just, she was,
she was running away from some

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walkers, you know, she tried to
go One Direction.

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There were a few walkers, she
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She saw some Walker.
She was walking backwards and

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she tripped over the arm of
another Walker up under a

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garbage can and that's how she
dropped the Dino.

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She went off to the side and
she's kind of looking.

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Here come this chick with her
walking stick.

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Clank.
Clank.

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I was like, what's that noise,
Clank?

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Fuck.
Do you think these walkers have

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been turning at the least little
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And you just walking down the
street, Clank, Clank.

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I was like, wait, I'm so like,
don't get me wrong, I like the

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show, but I have so many
questions about some of the

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stuff that they're doing.
Is it just that people are

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getting careless now?
You almost 20 years down the

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line, you just like, whatever,
fuck it, if they come after me,

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I'm just going to kill them.
Is that where we are now?

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No, I I I agree with you.
I like the show, but there are

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little pieces that they're
leaving out.

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And I know they want us to make
the connections, but some

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connections don't make quite
sense in the world that we live

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in.
But I know they're trying to get

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to their point of the story and
they only have so many episodes.

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But I mean, this girl is like a
superhero, right?

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So so here's my thing.
If you have the story you're

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trying to tell, stop giving us
six episodes, fucking shows.

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Give us, give us a few more
episodes, 8 episodes.

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Don't.
Don't try to rush the story.

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Now we'll say this, I do kind of
like the pacing of this show

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because they're not dragging
things out.

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But there are some points that I
feel like you do kind of sort of

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need to like maybe.
Take a little bit more.

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Time make some time in and and
then we're going to get to it.

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But also decisions that some of
these characters are making.

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I don't agree that they will
make.

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If we were in the other Walking
Dead series, they would have

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made those.
I will tell you this, probably

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Armstrong would have been dead
by now if if.

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He would have in this world you
this is not.

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It's not.
It's not work.

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It's not working.
He wouldn't have lasted 2

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episodes.
First of all, why do you why are

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you sitting around the whole
episode frowning like a fucking

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toddler about to have a tantrum?
Because you can't get the person

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you want to get.
But even if you go back to the

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beginning, not the beginning,
But when he first got to

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Manhattan and he went to the
apartment kicking the fucking

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door in and just loud.
In the apartment building that's

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going to have, you know what I'm
saying?

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It doesn't make sense.
But then also some of the things

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these walkers are doing ain't
not not making sense.

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But OK, we'll leave that for
another let's.

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Go ahead, let's go ahead and go
with that.

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Let's go ahead.
For me, when he kicks the door

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in, how do walkers know that's
where he was?

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That's true, because it took a
minute for a Walker to come, so

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they would have had to go to
each door.

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So I'm going to go to a door.
It looks open.

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Well, remember, I said.
Have.

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No eye at.
That did you?

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Did you remember?
You were fucked down this hard

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before and that door had a hole?
That's what I said when we

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watched that episode.
I was like, this makes no sense,

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that unless he was in there
making noise, which he wasn't,

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he was looking at his brother
and putting a blanket over him.

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None of those things require you
to make noise, but all of a

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sudden walkers are in it, like,
oh.

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Hey, there's a hole in this door
where it wasn't before.

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Hey, there might be something in
that now.

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I don't know.
It could have been something

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different.
They could have smelled him.

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Who knows how long it's been
since he's taking a bath.

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He's been running through the
streets chasing after Megan,

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doing this, doing that.
So there could be a sense of

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body odor that they're like, oh,
this is something different,

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something that might alert them
to the fact that somebody is

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living.
You know, smell you.

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Right.
Thanks, Hannika.

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Where we get that from?
That's a very Oh, that's true.

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That's true.
Sorry, look, look, because we

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all.
Like, yeah, that's what we're

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like, OK?
Yeah, you're right.

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Yeah.
That's why you can smear, you

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can smear their blood.
Too long.

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Y'all start.
Look, look, that's that's what

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they're doing.
We've been doing this for too

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long.
We just go get last.

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We just don't forget how this
works.

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But that's not how any of this
works.

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It's not.
But Pearly Armstrong, like I

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said, first, you're sitting
there with a look stuck on your

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face like you're about to have a
top, a tantrum, Okay.

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And I understand you're in the
situation you didn't want to be

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in.
You're in this arena.

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You know, with the Crow at which
we're going to get to the crow

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at in a minute, because I have a
lot of things to say about him.

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And they're not necessarily all
bad in a sense, but you're in.

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You find yourself in this arena,
you're handcuffed.

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But this guy who has taken you
hostage, he comes in and he's

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showing you what he has done
with this place.

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Oh, he walks in.
And he was like, oh, it's a

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little chilly in here, isn't it?
And then he makes a show of

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going to turn the heater on.
So almost 20 years into a zombie

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apocalypse, the crow at is in an
arena that has electricity

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working, A/C working.
He he's putting hot beef Stew on

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the table.
They have one.

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Where do I sign up?
I mean, it's kind of like what

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we've been saying about.
Megan with the sanctuary When?

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You stand.
Out on like if I have to choose

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between being on the streets of
Manhattan with what is out there

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and being inside the the arena.
I'm a person of comfort.

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Give me my creature comforts.
Is there a bed?

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Can I?
I mean, you got electricity.

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Is there a TV in there?
DVD player?

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Some old DVD's?
Yeah, I'm sitting my ass inside

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because I'm not going out there.
Have you seen whatever it's?

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Like Manhattan probably has 6
million dead walking around.

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Absolutely not.
And.

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You have to keep in mind, most
likely he fashioned the arena

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after the sanctuary.
Absolutely.

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Like I.
Said.

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Yeah, I can agree.
Because I have a lot to say

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about, yeah.
You know, the same general.

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Except everybody ain't walking
around talking about I am I am

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Croat.
No, nobody.

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But in the same vein, he
probably is the same philosophy

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series that Negan started.
It's very obvious that the Croat

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has a hero worship thing of
Megan going on, which is so

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weird because Megan thinks that
the Croat wants to kill him.

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For what he did to him, as far
as like casting him out,

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shooting his ear off, trying to
kill him.

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But if you look around, even the
things that the Croat is saying,

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it's like he's mimicking himself
off of Megan, Which is very

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interesting for the show
because, you know, we've, we've

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been talking a lot about Megan
and how he's been trying to

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reform himself, trying to change
himself from the person he used

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to be.
So it's very odd in this episode

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to see somebody else using his
same words, his same philosophy,

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like literally.
It's almost like Negan wrote it

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down and the Croat studied it
word for word, you know?

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But it's but listening to it
come out of the Croat mouth,

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yes, it just seems a little more
touched than Negan.

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Did you know, and I mean Megan
has been hinting that the Croat

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is not wrapped too tight in the
brain.

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He's been hinting that, and even
with this episode, we see it

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with the type of things that he
does, As far as you know, his

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people get high off the methane
that's coming from the bodies,

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the the ring that was left in
the arena.

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Apparently there was going to be
a big MMA fight when everything

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went to shit and the MMA cage is
still there.

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And he holds games, which, yeah,
it's like listening to that same

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philosophy come out of his
mouth.

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I feel like, in a way, it also
is supposed to illustrate to the

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audience just how different
Megan is now from the person he

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was back then.
Because even when he was saying

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it back then.
I never took him for crazy, but

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I was like, oh, he's really
believing all this bullshit that

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he's feeding to everybody.
And we realized down the road

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now it really wasn't bullshit
for him.

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He really thought that he was
saving people and in a sense he

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was, he was just going about to
be completely wrong way or it

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got to the point where.
The God complex.

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Stuck.
But he it's just that he that

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was a character.
He knew he had to play and he

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stuck with the character.
Because you can't falter from

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the character, you falter from
the character, then you don't

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have a rise up and somebody else
will take over, just like he

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took took over from someone
else.

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Once you get to the point where
you have people in a place that

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they believe this, you got to
keep that up and everyone has to

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keep it up.
Right.

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I mean just it's it's not too
much different from Ezekiel with

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the the Kingdom, right?
Except, you know, of course

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Ezekiel.
I don't feel like Ezekiel ever

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let the whole King title get to
his head.

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Like every time we saw him kind
of relishing in that.

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It was all part of the act.
Yeah.

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And he, he had a character.
He had a character too.

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I mean, come on now, because you
were in the middle of auditorium

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stage.
Right.

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Sorry, that was.
On a chain that was one of the

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best character in it.
I mean it is, but that's that.

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But you had to keep that front
up.

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You got to keep that front up so
people don't come and try to

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take over your areas for your
people.

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Right, right.
But I.

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And you walked around with that
confidence because the way he

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told his story about when
beforehand he didn't seem like a

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man who was full of confidence.
So he lived in he he walked into

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his character, Negan walked into
his character and the court,

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what is his name?
He's doing the same thing, but

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he, he had a trauma full, you
know, experience though.

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So going back, we're going to
come back to the court because

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like I said, I had.
I have things to to say about

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him.
Let's go back to my least

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favorite character of this show
so far.

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Let's go back to Pearly, OK?
Because like I said, he's there.

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He's held captive by the Croat
and the Croat is basically

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giving his sales pitch.
As far as look, I just need to

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know why you're here and who you
came with.

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He was like, look, this is what
I'm done.

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This is what I've built and he
talks to Pearly about.

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His old profession, he says.
I used to be a scientist before

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all of this.
And when I came to this place, I

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was wondering, you know, I asked
the question, what is the most

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abundant natural resource here?
Death.

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And so basically he figured out
a way to make all of those

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bodies count.
And he, you know, we saw this.

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He's been putting bodies into,
like the different tanks.

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And we were like, what kind of
weird governor shit is this on?

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No, the governor was nowhere
near this creative.

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This dude is using the bodies
that are in the city that are in

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the sewers, and he's using them
to create the gas that powers

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the whole arena.
You know, basically as the

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bodies are breaking down with
them being in in a compressed

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space.
And I actually wrote down his

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full description and I can't
find what I did with it, but he

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oh, here it is Wallow.
So he says, what is the most

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abundant natural resource on
this island?

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Death.
The sewers are full of it and as

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the bodies break down they
produce methane and because the

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intermolecular forces are weak.
The gas can be pressurized into

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a liquid fuel at regular
temperatures.

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This dude is powering everything
in this arena from the dead

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bodies.
That was like, if he wasn't

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batshit crazy, do you know what
he could have done for the

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world?
Like all of our people, they

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could have enhanced.
Here's the other thing about all

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of.
Humanity and the way that you

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act when you when you're in this
type of apocalypse situation.

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Instead of sitting there trying
to figure out OK, how can we

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pull our smarts, our resources,
our experiences and use it to

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make the world better.
Y'all are instead of fighting

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for who's going to control this
then other y'all have the whole

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fucking planet to yourselves
now.

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There is no reason to be fight
like.

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Over nothing.
Right.

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Because we can pull together all
of our resources because

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everyone has some type of skill
and we can use that.

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What is it?
Megan says.

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And the crow at even says it
here.

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People are resource.
That's the way you are supposed

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to use people as a resource.
It didn't have to just be

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Alexandria with the walls and
the solar panels.

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If someone had come up to them
and they're like, hey, we also

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want to live, great, but we
don't want to encroach on your

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space.
Can you teach us how to do this?

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But ain't that what Georgie was
supposed to be fucking doing?

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Yes, We ain't even going to
talk.

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We we're not.
What that was Georgie was

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supposed to be doing And then in
a way Commonwealth tried to do

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that when you're trying to
figure out what people do and

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what they what they did in the
past life and but y'all was

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crazy as fuck, so.
Because y'all were too busy

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trying to take it back to a
broken system.

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Right.
I couldn't elite it right to be

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your lead at the top.
And have they just, you know,

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figured out what people like and
and or or could do?

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And then from there, let's pull
that around.

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Let's send you our sister
communities and teach them how

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to do this so we can have this
and.

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But John Y'all want to hoard it
all to yourselves and be

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assholes and just.
Right.

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And and you know, when you think
about it, when they first

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started doing the show, when we
first started watching the

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episodes, my question was, who
the hell wants to rule over a

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city full of the dead?
Because my thing is, as easily

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as Megan and Maggie and even
Jenny got onto the island, it

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has to be a way for them to get
off.

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You know what I'm saying?
We see in the episode they have

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been using speakers from the
arena to lure the walkers to the

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arena.
They have a little parade card

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going around playing music
that's that's hurting the

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walkers.
So you can do that and get off

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the island.
Why would you want to stay

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there?
And then once he explained what

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he has done, I was like, oh.
That makes so much sense,

451
00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:50,770
because right now that really
does make you the most important

452
00:27:50,770 --> 00:27:52,610
man.
Period.

453
00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:56,250
Yeah, but with all of that you
have a one up.

454
00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:59,290
No, you got a 10 up with
everybody else.

455
00:27:59,290 --> 00:28:04,450
But you going to go and take
other people resources because

456
00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:08,650
you have, you have I'm sorry,
you have everything you need and

457
00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:11,210
if you this smart y'all could be
doing some farming on these

458
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:17,070
fucking rooftops and stuff and.
You know irrigation system, you

459
00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:19,550
could have this.
But I guess part of the issue

460
00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:24,070
with that is the building in
such bad shape because of the

461
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:26,510
bombing.
Because if you look, even when

462
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:30,910
when Jenny gets on the island
and you see the structures, most

463
00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:33,270
of the tops of those structures
are damaged.

464
00:28:33,390 --> 00:28:36,150
There are a lot of bodies in
those buildings.

465
00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:38,230
I mean we.
Had but some buildings he was on

466
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:42,790
top of, you know, with his
little ziplining system.

467
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:44,710
I don't think that's his.
Zip line.

468
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:47,390
I'm thinking the tribes people
put that together.

469
00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:50,910
And then he kind of took over
the area and then they planning

470
00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:53,430
inside the building, you can
make it work.

471
00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:56,430
Yeah.
You made.

472
00:28:56,870 --> 00:29:01,270
If you want to.
Power work, yeah, it may fight

473
00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:04,990
and work.
I was watching the the episode

474
00:29:04,990 --> 00:29:10,550
insider at the end and the
showrunner describes it as like.

475
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:15,990
The Croat kind of sees Megan not
necessarily as a father figure,

476
00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:20,030
but it does seem like he has
that kind of attitude.

477
00:29:20,030 --> 00:29:22,270
Like, oh dad, look at what I
did.

478
00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:25,790
And I really do feel like that.
Like, like I said, it feels like

479
00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:30,230
he kind of has a hero worship
thing with Megan and I don't

480
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:34,670
know, maybe Megan casting him
out and trying to kill him

481
00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:39,230
instead of it making him upset
and wanting to get revenge.

482
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:42,870
It's one of those things where
he's like, I'm going to show him

483
00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:45,350
I I can do it and I can do it
better.

484
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:48,590
I'm going to prove to him that
we can make a true sanctuary.

485
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:53,830
Because if if he knows enough
about Herschel and Maggie to

486
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:56,990
know about Megan, you know what
Megan has done.

487
00:29:56,990 --> 00:30:00,030
And the fact that, oh, he lived
amongst your mother's people,

488
00:30:00,190 --> 00:30:02,390
that would have been after the
the Croat left.

489
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:06,190
So obviously he's been keeping
tags on Negan, so it's it's not

490
00:30:06,190 --> 00:30:10,110
like he could he probably
couldn't find Negan and kill him

491
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:13,590
at any particular time.
Especially if Negan is not

492
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:16,070
thinking about the fact that the
Crow Act might be out there just

493
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:22,630
waiting to kill him.
It's been 1215 years, but it.

494
00:30:22,750 --> 00:30:25,710
But you have to keep in mind not
even thinking about crows.

495
00:30:25,710 --> 00:30:28,230
They get the main so many
enemies over the fucking years.

496
00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:31,220
This is true.
And then if you think about it

497
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:38,380
with with all of his people, I
am Negan, you know, traveling

498
00:30:38,380 --> 00:30:42,460
far and wide, I'm sure people
all over you know it will at

499
00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:44,540
least within the.
Few.

500
00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:50,260
State radios, I know, but
that's.

501
00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:56,460
I mean, come on, keep in mind,
even 15 odd years later, Rick

502
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:58,180
Grimes name still rolling
around.

503
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:02,500
They know about wars that have
happened.

504
00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:04,580
They.
May not know names, but they

505
00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:06,300
know they.
Had no names, but they know that

506
00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:11,860
there was a war.
So not even just with the with

507
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:13,580
the Savior, there was a war with
the.

508
00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:21,340
With the whispers, whispers.
So these wars are the word of

509
00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:25,620
the war is being spread around,
And who are the leaders of this

510
00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:26,780
war?
Because remember, Maggie's the

511
00:31:26,780 --> 00:31:29,760
widow.
You know, everybody has a

512
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,480
pseudonym of of what people call
them, the the the widow, the

513
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,640
king, the what was Rick the
sheriff, you know, all of these

514
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,400
things, so.
Swammers are.

515
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,760
Traveling.
And so it's like you had Megan

516
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,000
had hundreds of followers,
hundreds.

517
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,880
And the same way, like Dwight
and Sherry have left and move

518
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,200
on.
I'm sure there are other people

519
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,160
that left and was like this
ain't the life of me.

520
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,000
But so that name carries.
And I'm sure you know, even with

521
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,680
Crowe at leaving, you know, even
though you know Megan shot him

522
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,040
in the head, but you know even
still that would have even if he

523
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,200
would have left voluntarily.
There's something from that that

524
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,600
you took from it and you like,
yeah, let me see what I can do.

525
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,330
So being Negan.
Oh, please.

526
00:32:22,810 --> 00:32:25,170
And.
And at this time, they know

527
00:32:25,170 --> 00:32:28,170
about The Circle and bashing
somebody's head in.

528
00:32:28,290 --> 00:32:31,610
You know, how many times have we
heard that with not knowing who

529
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:33,730
it was.
But you know, us as viewers, we

530
00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:36,130
know that was Megan.
But you know, people hear

531
00:32:36,130 --> 00:32:39,330
stories because he'll even
remember, probably even said

532
00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:41,690
that there's a story that he did
this.

533
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:46,570
And you know, in the Circle, how
many, how long ago was that?

534
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:48,810
You know what I mean?
So.

535
00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:54,850
Yeah.
So anyway, so the Crow ad is

536
00:32:54,850 --> 00:32:57,290
telling Pearly about all of
this, and he's trying to figure

537
00:32:57,290 --> 00:32:59,810
out if Pearly is, you know, a
threat or not.

538
00:32:59,810 --> 00:33:01,170
He's like, what are you doing
here?

539
00:33:01,370 --> 00:33:03,290
What are you here for?
Who did you bring with you?

540
00:33:03,570 --> 00:33:06,730
And of course, Hurley, sitting
there handcuffed to the balcony,

541
00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:09,090
still with his frown looking
like he's about to throw a

542
00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:11,730
tantrum.
And the Crow ad is.

543
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:15,300
Explaining all of this stuff and
about how they have this thing

544
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:18,260
working and how, you know,
systems are in place to make

545
00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:20,580
sure that everybody stays safe
and it's that and the other.

546
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:24,620
And as he's cutting into his
beef Stew, he finds a maggot.

547
00:33:25,460 --> 00:33:29,700
Now the guy who was sitting over
to the side, who has been, you

548
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:32,980
know, who, who came in and set
the place and made sure

549
00:33:32,980 --> 00:33:36,260
everything was right, which, OK,
sidebar real quick.

550
00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:40,420
Why is it that whenever
civilization starts over.

551
00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:43,660
We feel the need to put people
in servant positions.

552
00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:46,180
Like, what is that?
Okay?

553
00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:48,660
That's one sidebar.
And the fact that it was, you

554
00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:51,180
know, I'm just glad it wasn't a
black person, but it was an

555
00:33:51,380 --> 00:33:53,420
Asian person, so I'm equally
offended.

556
00:33:53,660 --> 00:33:56,780
But that's a whole thing.
But he couldn't have a white

557
00:33:56,780 --> 00:33:59,460
white servant.
That's a whole other thing.

558
00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:04,180
So he basically takes out his
anger about this.

559
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:08,020
On that guy, he's like, why
would you serve me rotting me?

560
00:34:08,060 --> 00:34:11,739
You know, if if you don't take
care of the meat and you ingest

561
00:34:11,739 --> 00:34:15,179
it, it's you know, it'll it'll
decay in your body and then

562
00:34:15,179 --> 00:34:18,420
it'll cause you to be sick.
So he has this key to the

563
00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:22,139
handcuffs that Pearly has and
he's been kind of like teasing

564
00:34:22,139 --> 00:34:26,020
this key.
He gets up to go to this guy and

565
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:29,460
he picks up the key and he makes
the guy swallow the key.

566
00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:32,020
Now I'm sitting here looking
like, why the fuck would you do

567
00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:34,130
that?
And then I realized, what's the

568
00:34:34,130 --> 00:34:36,650
dude swallow the cows?
Like, oh, your ass about to die.

569
00:34:37,090 --> 00:34:39,010
That's why you take the meat,
right?

570
00:34:39,409 --> 00:34:44,969
So the Croat kills him and he
throws his body over and Pearly

571
00:34:44,969 --> 00:34:47,170
is just still sitting there
looking like, what the fuck is

572
00:34:47,170 --> 00:34:49,210
going like?
Why would you do that?

573
00:34:49,409 --> 00:34:53,330
And the Croat just looks at him
like, And I was like, where is

574
00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:54,929
this about to go?
Because like.

575
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,720
Carla wasn't the one that tried
to, well, that tried to give you

576
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:01,520
bad meat.
I don't know if it was on

577
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,840
purpose or whatever, because
when he asked, oh dude, he was

578
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,280
like, did you check the meat?
So why would you serve me bad

579
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,000
meat?
And the guy was about to say,

580
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,080
well, actually it was.
So I think somebody else, man, I

581
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,680
I don't know, I'm not even about
to.

582
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,680
Get too deep into that.
I just think even if it wasn't

583
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,800
the worm, he would have found
another reason to kill this man.

584
00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:28,990
Because what would be the point
of just having a dangling the

585
00:35:28,990 --> 00:35:32,550
key around talk to you.
I'm no because some kind of way

586
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:35,110
you wanted him to get in this
ring and fight for.

587
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:37,150
It, right?
I thought that too.

588
00:35:37,150 --> 00:35:38,550
Like it, you know?
What I mean?

589
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:42,270
He had the key ready, so you
already knew that it was going

590
00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:43,430
to be him anyway.
It was.

591
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:47,430
Going to be a reason that it.
Would, it happened, opened up

592
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:49,540
his house?
Broly could have opened up his

593
00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:52,260
mouth and said, oh, I just came
to Manhattan to see if my

594
00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:54,220
brother was still alive.
I mean, he could have easily.

595
00:35:54,820 --> 00:35:58,980
We we've been talking about this
with you could have easily given

596
00:35:58,980 --> 00:36:03,420
like a small lie, just like the
people at the bar Y'all gave

597
00:36:03,420 --> 00:36:06,180
yourselves away because of the
way you acted and the way you

598
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:10,220
responded.
Probably could have just said, I

599
00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:12,460
just came to see if my brother
was still alive.

600
00:36:13,540 --> 00:36:17,180
He had the he had the envelope,
which, you know.

601
00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:22,260
The Croat finds later on it has
a New York address on it.

602
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:26,980
So at least he wasn't lying and
he could have said yeah, I went

603
00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:32,100
to go find my brother blah blah
blah the you know, he could

604
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:35,100
have.
But like he said, I don't think

605
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:38,780
that was the Croats MO.
He really wanted to see what

606
00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:43,900
type of person Hurley was
because if you look around it

607
00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:46,460
looks like he collects people,
which is the same thing that

608
00:36:46,460 --> 00:36:49,400
Negan did.
He wanted to see what kind of

609
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,520
metal you had, what what you
were made of, and whether or not

610
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,800
you would be an asset to his
crew.

611
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,520
Because, again, this is a zombie
apocalypse.

612
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,240
We have a C we have heat, we
have fresh meat.

613
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,960
Why would we share this with you
if you're not going to

614
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,560
contribute?
So I get that.

615
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,200
I get it.
But the way he.

616
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,840
Everybody had to go through the
gauntlet.

617
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,560
I don't think so.
I don't.

618
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,160
Maybe not the people who were
there with him at the beginning,

619
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,280
I don't know.
But I mean, you have to.

620
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,480
I guess it depends on if he has
to break you or not.

621
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,760
So if you're the type of person
that looks like he you, you know

622
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,960
that you're a fighter and you
may need to be broken down.

623
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,640
You see what I'm saying?
If I'm I'm walking into

624
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,400
Manhattan and I just need some
help, I don't think I will have

625
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,130
to do it.
To prove myself.

626
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:51,250
Yeah, because I'm like, hey, I
just need some shelter.

627
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:53,610
Help me.
But I don't.

628
00:37:53,610 --> 00:37:55,570
He also doesn't look like the.
Type of person.

629
00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:57,050
Who's going to give it to you
for free?

630
00:37:57,890 --> 00:38:01,090
No, no, I mean, I'm going to do
something, you know, I'm going

631
00:38:01,090 --> 00:38:04,450
to get bodies and throw them in
the, you know, the tank and

632
00:38:04,450 --> 00:38:10,010
stuff, so.
But the way that he, I guess,

633
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:13,320
proves.
Curly's medal is, he takes him

634
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,480
downstairs where the arena is
and it's so weird to see all of

635
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,600
his people, like chanting.
Like this is how people act when

636
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,720
they go to a real MMA.
You know, they're sitting there

637
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,600
cheering and whatever, like,
what are they about to do?

638
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,640
He puts Curly in the cage and
there is a pole in the middle

639
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,640
and he, you know, he handcuffs
him around that pole so he can't

640
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,960
move.
Then the dude that he just made

641
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,040
swallow the key and threw over
the balcony.

642
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,080
He puts his Walker in the cage
with Pearly.

643
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,480
So Pearly has to fight.
And I was like, okay, I don't

644
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,840
know how this is going to work
because Pearly is.

645
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,480
He's still sitting there
frowning mad and I'm like, dude,

646
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,840
just just wipe, wipe your face
blank and just do what you need

647
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,260
to do.
So Pearly uses the handcuffs

648
00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:14,380
when the guy comes back towards
him and he has him up against

649
00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:16,860
the pole.
He uses the handcuffs to wrap

650
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:20,700
around his neck and he
decapitates him and then he

651
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,740
looks at the crow at like, OK
let me out and the crow at is

652
00:39:23,740 --> 00:39:26,340
looking at him like, but is that
all you got to do?

653
00:39:27,740 --> 00:39:31,580
I was looking at the look at his
face he was like he looks at him

654
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:32,940
and.
You thought it was going to be

655
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:34,860
that easy?
Right, right.

656
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,560
So then I think there were some
people throwing like bottles and

657
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,560
stuff at Pearly because I guess
they wanted the Walker to win.

658
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,040
I don't know.
Or or no.

659
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,040
You know how always in the fight
well that was that was over

660
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,360
quick like you ain't.
Yeah, you be mad you like they

661
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,510
get their money was worth.
Like they they know money's

662
00:39:54,510 --> 00:39:55,430
worth.
Money.

663
00:39:57,350 --> 00:40:00,910
And then I forgot to mention the
fact that before he threw Pearly

664
00:40:00,910 --> 00:40:04,590
in there, he made him inhale
some of the methane gas so that

665
00:40:04,590 --> 00:40:08,390
he was a little bit high, low,
whatever you want to call it.

666
00:40:08,830 --> 00:40:14,750
Things slowed down a little bit
for him, but Pearly takes one of

667
00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:19,470
the broken bottles and he cuts
into Dude's stomach and then

668
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:22,150
starts digging for the key.
I was like, okay, you know what?

669
00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:27,970
I will say this for Dead City.
They are trying to up the ante

670
00:40:27,970 --> 00:40:32,130
on the grossness in The Walking
Dead universe because there have

671
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:35,050
been several times during this
series and we're only three

672
00:40:35,050 --> 00:40:38,770
episodes in where I've had to
watch and be like, oh with my

673
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:41,490
face covered, looking through my
fingers.

674
00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:44,850
Like, is this over yet?
Because that's disgusting.

675
00:40:45,090 --> 00:40:49,930
What you think we will be used
to considering we saw Rick.

676
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,840
Pack open a Walker and put his
guts all over him.

677
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,760
Oh, this should be easy.
Several.

678
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:00,800
Times.
Several times you would think

679
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,760
this would be easier, but no,
this was just gross.

680
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,920
And I think it it maybe it was
the whole thing of you having to

681
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,800
go in the man's stomach.
Because I'm sorry, they did that

682
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,160
once before with Darrell when he
was trying, when he took apart

683
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,960
that Walker to see if that
Walker had Sophia in his stomach

684
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,970
or, you know, humorous.
That again.

685
00:41:22,610 --> 00:41:24,210
But we've had a lot of gross
walkers.

686
00:41:24,210 --> 00:41:25,650
Remember the Will Walker?
We.

687
00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:31,770
Have a.
Lot of gross ones we have.

688
00:41:32,130 --> 00:41:35,210
So you would think I would be
used to this by now, but no,

689
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:38,410
it's still gross even though
you're the ones that had the

690
00:41:38,410 --> 00:41:43,330
radiation with all the puss in
the, you know we just they try

691
00:41:43,410 --> 00:41:46,570
to be gory and nasty, just
gross.

692
00:41:47,830 --> 00:41:53,070
But Pearly has to go into this
thing's stomach to get the key

693
00:41:53,070 --> 00:41:56,390
to get himself out.
But the interesting thing about

694
00:41:56,390 --> 00:42:01,190
it was after he killed that
first Walker and he gets free,

695
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:04,830
they put more walkers in the
cage with him.

696
00:42:05,950 --> 00:42:09,790
So he goes over to the side and
he tries to take his boot off

697
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:14,550
and he thinks better of it and
switches to the other boot and

698
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:16,870
takes the other boot off and
starts, you know.

699
00:42:17,330 --> 00:42:21,810
Mollywapping the the walkers.
Which is cool, but at this point

700
00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:27,210
the crow ad is very observant
and so he has paid attention to

701
00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:32,970
the fact that oh what that first
boot off what's in there?

702
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:36,210
And I don't know if he thought
maybe it was a weapon or

703
00:42:36,210 --> 00:42:38,370
something like that, which it
could be.

704
00:42:38,370 --> 00:42:41,930
I mean, think about Maggie's
boots and what she stores in

705
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:43,090
them.
So it could have been a weapon,

706
00:42:43,090 --> 00:42:44,530
it could have been something
else.

707
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:51,440
But all the Croat does is he
finds the letter that Hurley's

708
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,800
brother wrote to him, and then
he starts reading the letter out

709
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,800
loud.
And this is where we find out

710
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,840
that Mister High and Mighty Mr.
Righteous and always so

711
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:11,000
righteous with folks because you
had a brother that was addicted

712
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,800
to drugs.
And y'all your whole family

713
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:21,480
abandoned him.
Like, abandoned him to the point

714
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:26,040
where he was like, I don't know
why it took me so long to

715
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,280
realize that you all had changed
your phone numbers.

716
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,160
I was like, like, did he kill
somebody while he was on the

717
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,080
drugs?
Obviously not, because he was

718
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,240
free.
So you just so you just disown

719
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,560
your brother.
Because he was a.

720
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,840
Because he was a junkie and the
way that he reacted.

721
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,520
We don't know the the.
Yeah, because it could be some

722
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:57,680
other stuff that happened, yeah.
I mean, I get that, but just the

723
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,400
way that he reacted when the
crow was reading that letter, I

724
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,560
was like, yeah, you got some
heavy guilt.

725
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,200
Something is going on.
Like your brother was in that

726
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,880
apartment by himself for a
reason.

727
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:14,590
And guilt that, you know, you
didn't get to say what you

728
00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:19,550
needed to say at the end, you
know, because they probably did

729
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:22,550
it so he could go get help and
not always depend like, oh, I'm

730
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:25,870
going to get better this time
and then for a second and then

731
00:44:25,870 --> 00:44:28,830
he steals something out the
house and make promises and then

732
00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:30,550
they send them back.
So they sometimes you have to

733
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:34,190
make a clear cut.
So they can get better, but it

734
00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:36,830
was at the wrong time, You know,
you don't ever think the world's

735
00:44:36,830 --> 00:44:38,430
going to end, too at the same
time.

736
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:41,590
So you don't think that.
Yeah, you're thinking, okay,

737
00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:43,550
they're going, yeah, you're
going to get some help.

738
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:45,550
And then we will, you know, get
him back.

739
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:47,110
Yeah.
Yeah.

740
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:51,470
But the interesting thing about
this whole exchange is because

741
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:54,310
Pearly doesn't want to listen to
the rest of the letter.

742
00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:58,770
He blurts out to the crow act.
He was like, it's just me, I'm

743
00:44:58,770 --> 00:45:00,610
here by myself.
I'm looking for someone.

744
00:45:00,610 --> 00:45:02,770
I had two partners, They're both
dead.

745
00:45:03,570 --> 00:45:10,530
And the crow act very like, very
sensibly says who is worth

746
00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:16,650
following here, Like who is so
important, who is so deadly, who

747
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:21,530
is so whatever, that you will
follow them to this cesspool of

748
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:25,120
death.
And Pearly says his name is me.

749
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,120
And the Croats face is like, oh,
Daddy's here.

750
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:36,400
I was just like, because he
looked a little too happy about

751
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,560
the fact that me was there.
Not necessarily happy.

752
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,560
Like, oh, I'm about to kill him.
It was, oh, I'm about to show

753
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,880
him what I did.
I'm about to show him all of

754
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,840
this.
There was elation, right?

755
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,840
So.
We don't leave.

756
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,400
We don't leave the crow at
because we got to go talk about

757
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,480
Maggie and Megan and the tribes
people and all the shit that's

758
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,680
going down with them.
I know, I know.

759
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,880
First of all.
I was going to say, are you

760
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,560
going to say it or am I going to
say it?

761
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,080
Because Jenny ain't the only one
who needed women right now.

762
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:21,520
I feel like everybody's.
Acting bad like everybody but.

763
00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:26,260
The number one acting bad was
fucking Luther, and at the end

764
00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:29,700
of the day, Luther kind of got
what he deserved because you

765
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,340
shouldn't have been a Dick.
This was just let the man find

766
00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:33,660
out.
Get.

767
00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:37,900
Some fucking beeswax for his
hand, like just little.

768
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:40,940
Have it.
Just just give him a little bit.

769
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:44,780
Give him a little bit.
Now I will say this.

770
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:49,010
And after we see what happens at
the end with Luther, I feel like

771
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:51,650
he was acting that way because
he already knew about the

772
00:46:51,650 --> 00:46:55,050
poster.
And then of course, listening to

773
00:46:55,050 --> 00:46:59,010
Megan and Megan give their own
kind of accounts about this big

774
00:46:59,090 --> 00:47:01,970
shit.
I just had a revelation.

775
00:47:02,410 --> 00:47:05,130
Oh.
Where do you get the fucking

776
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:08,210
poster from?
Remember, he took their stuff.

777
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,440
Remember in the beginning when
they first found Maggie and

778
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,240
Negan?
They Oh yeah, he got it out of

779
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,120
Maggie's bag.
Or out of Negan's because I

780
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,440
don't remember Negan what and
he.

781
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,280
Has his own wanted poster.
Yes.

782
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,000
Remember the first episode?
He was like, for a wanted man.

783
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,760
I look damn good.
I'm going to keep.

784
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,160
I thought he was just.
I thought he was just looking.

785
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,960
At Maggie's?
No, he he said he was going to

786
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,360
keep that poster because he
looked good in it.

787
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,160
OK, so either way Luther stole
it from from them.

788
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,640
Yeah.
So he So that makes sense in

789
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,000
hindsight.
But of course before that it's

790
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,840
kind of like, why are you being
a Dick about it.

791
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,000
But I will say this too, even
though he knew about Megan or

792
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,200
suspected, especially once Megan
starts talking about the, you

793
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,120
know, the story about the guy
who went South.

794
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,880
And then when Maggie was like,
yeah, whatever it was that they

795
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,000
suggested, she was like, yeah,
that's what he would do.

796
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,560
He and the Croat go way back.
And Luther was like, oh, so

797
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,480
their friend, she was like were.
He tried to kill him.

798
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,240
He shot his ear off.
So you know, she was at least

799
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:14,640
putting that out there.
Like, no, he's not with this

800
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,040
dude now.
But I would say this too.

801
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,920
Maggie was not helping the
situation because Amaya and

802
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:28,560
Tomasso are trying to help.
And I get that for for whatever

803
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,760
reasons.
Right now, I think for Amaya

804
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,640
it's about revenge, because they
came into their place and killed

805
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,070
their people.
And she's pissed, rightly so.

806
00:48:38,590 --> 00:48:40,990
Luther is the one that's like,
we're going to help.

807
00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:43,630
Y'all we're not doing this shit.
We did not really voted about

808
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:45,230
it.
And then when he tells Maggie,

809
00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:47,230
he was like, you're going to get
us killed.

810
00:48:47,230 --> 00:48:50,310
And for what she was like for my
son, so I could say my son, I

811
00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:52,990
was like, and how is that his
problem?

812
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:58,630
That's, I get it, Maggie trying
to right.

813
00:48:58,630 --> 00:49:00,150
You were trying to save your
son.

814
00:49:00,550 --> 00:49:04,790
These people who live here, they
don't owe you.

815
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:07,280
Shit.
What would be with Luther?

816
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,520
Like why the fuck am I about to
risk my life to help you save

817
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,120
your son?
The one that said what Luther

818
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,280
said as far as your son is
already, didn't know because I'm

819
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,160
sorry.
Luther might be big, but the way

820
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,160
Maggie was looking at him, I
didn't feel like if hadn't

821
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,680
killed Luther, Maggie probably
would have.

822
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,360
But then you can't expect people
to risk their lives for your

823
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,520
son.
Right.

824
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,200
Give you a Sinai.
Okay.

825
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,080
MM, HM Well, here's some
supplies.

826
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,360
Go for it.
But I don't know you or your

827
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,760
kid, right?
And I've already lost some of my

828
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,400
people, a whole bunch of my
people.

829
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,480
And none of that was, let's be
honest, none of that.

830
00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:00,420
Is the thing we always say about
our people in The Walking Dead.

831
00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:04,420
They had a lost people and they
hadn't gotten raided before Nick

832
00:50:04,420 --> 00:50:05,820
and Emmanuel walked in the door
I.

833
00:50:07,820 --> 00:50:10,460
Mean.
No, they they had been raided

834
00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:14,500
before, but the girl didn't know
it was me and the Maggie that

835
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:16,980
came with.
It it's them, it's them.

836
00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:18,620
Because that's why I used to say
about Rick.

837
00:50:18,620 --> 00:50:22,340
Rick comes into town, you just
know your your little community

838
00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:23,700
is over.
Is is done?

839
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:26,660
Yes.
They bring, they bring the fire.

840
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:27,630
They do.
They do.

841
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:32,910
If they don't like anything, we
don't like how y'all wash

842
00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:36,150
clothes.
They take it over.

843
00:50:36,190 --> 00:50:38,710
Remember Rick's line?
How many of y'all do we have to

844
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:43,630
kill before you see?
They didn't do it on.

845
00:50:43,630 --> 00:50:46,110
Purpose.
Not always they did.

846
00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:50,630
But every time they approached
somebody else's space and they

847
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:53,310
didn't care for it, and it'd be
something small, sometimes they

848
00:50:53,310 --> 00:50:55,830
didn't care for it.
It's like we take it over.

849
00:50:57,730 --> 00:51:04,130
But I would, I mean, I have to
say this too, for a long time,

850
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:07,210
Rick and his people survived and
others didn't.

851
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:10,530
So they obviously were doing
something right.

852
00:51:10,530 --> 00:51:11,370
I mean, yes, you.
Right.

853
00:51:11,370 --> 00:51:16,410
Because they killed him.
Yeah, they killed him.

854
00:51:16,530 --> 00:51:19,610
Man, let's go, let's go back to
that whole lack of humanity

855
00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:22,550
thing.
There's a big ass wide world out

856
00:51:22,550 --> 00:51:26,030
there and about 80% of the
population are gone.

857
00:51:26,110 --> 00:51:29,030
Why are you fighting over this
one little piece of man here?

858
00:51:30,030 --> 00:51:35,310
I mean, it is honest truth.
Though in my house right now, if

859
00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:37,910
we have a zombie apocalypse and
someone comes on the door

860
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:40,670
knocking and they say, hey, we
want your house, guess what?

861
00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:43,310
It's a townhouse subdivision
right here.

862
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:46,790
There's three apartment
complexes down the street.

863
00:51:47,230 --> 00:51:49,270
You want, you know what?
You want this.

864
00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:52,300
You got it.
I'm gonna go find my own shit

865
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:53,980
because I ain't got time for
this.

866
00:51:55,540 --> 00:51:58,180
I don't.
I I'm not going to sit here and

867
00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:01,860
survive zombies just to be
killed by another motherfucker.

868
00:52:02,540 --> 00:52:05,660
Who gonna be greedy and want to
assert some dominance?

869
00:52:06,260 --> 00:52:09,420
What time for that?
Because there's plenty it.

870
00:52:09,420 --> 00:52:13,420
I mean it's it's actually plenty
of space for everyone.

871
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:18,970
Because it's more dead than lie.
It's more dead than live, so

872
00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:22,730
there's more commercial space,
residential space.

873
00:52:25,450 --> 00:52:29,170
And and if you've scavenged
everything out of your area, go

874
00:52:29,170 --> 00:52:33,770
somewhere else, yeah?
Move like everybody else did.

875
00:52:33,930 --> 00:52:36,050
Make map.
Check this area, this area.

876
00:52:36,050 --> 00:52:39,370
We went here, We scavenged it.
Because I feel like once you

877
00:52:39,370 --> 00:52:43,330
got, if you get the mall
situated, that could be one full

878
00:52:43,330 --> 00:52:47,820
community right there.
And I know.

879
00:52:49,060 --> 00:52:52,460
Each doors, each the small
stores can be families living in

880
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:54,180
there.
You just have to close your gate

881
00:52:54,180 --> 00:52:55,780
in the evening.
Just say somebody and your

882
00:52:55,780 --> 00:52:59,340
family turned into one from just
being sick or something like

883
00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:00,460
that.
A heart attack.

884
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:02,780
You know what I mean?
I mean, they thought.

885
00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:04,580
I mean, think about it.
They actually.

886
00:53:04,580 --> 00:53:08,260
Food court can cook the food,
heat up stuff.

887
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:09,900
They did that.
If you're The Walking Dead,

888
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:12,460
remember they found them all and
they thought it was going to be

889
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:15,580
a place for them.
Yeah.

890
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:17,620
So that somebody was following
them.

891
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:19,860
So I'm like, we can't, we have
everyone can have their own

892
00:53:19,860 --> 00:53:22,980
little space.
Just take the time and develop

893
00:53:22,980 --> 00:53:24,940
your space.
Don't try to take my space

894
00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:26,740
because I took my time to
develop it.

895
00:53:29,380 --> 00:53:31,580
Right now.
You want to take it, take my

896
00:53:31,580 --> 00:53:33,900
resources, my people.
Right.

897
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:39,620
But going back to the group and
and with Megan Negan now.

898
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,880
Like we said, Maggie's sitting
here.

899
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,880
She's automatically assuming
that just.

900
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:51,200
And I think I I think the
problem is, and I know a lot of

901
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:57,720
parents do it, is that we place
our children's existence above

902
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,880
everyone else.
We prioritize it above everyone

903
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,400
else.
And then we get mad when other

904
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,200
people don't prioritize it
because we're like, but they're

905
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,680
a kid.
Yeah, but they're not my kid,

906
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,640
you know?
And.

907
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,260
And.
Right.

908
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:15,940
And I mean, even in this day and
age, now you have it where

909
00:54:15,940 --> 00:54:21,420
parents feel entitled for their
children to do or say whatever.

910
00:54:21,580 --> 00:54:24,060
And then the people who don't
have children for whatever

911
00:54:24,060 --> 00:54:27,300
reason, whether they couldn't
have or they don't want to have

912
00:54:27,300 --> 00:54:32,860
children, they're expected to
make concessions for these

913
00:54:32,860 --> 00:54:35,780
parents and these children just
because, oh, they're children,

914
00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:39,260
OK, But that's your child.
You know what I'm saying?

915
00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:43,470
Even, and even more so with with
this world.

916
00:54:44,110 --> 00:54:47,070
And that's like, remember the
man on the plane with the baby

917
00:54:47,070 --> 00:54:49,310
who was holler?
Did the baby pay more to holler?

918
00:54:49,790 --> 00:54:54,950
Like like that?
Like come?

919
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:58,070
Right.
I mean, and I can understand

920
00:54:58,390 --> 00:55:02,150
getting upset about being
inconvenienced, but for someone

921
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:05,190
to be like, well, that's a baby,
you know, like going to the

922
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:06,870
movies.
I'm sorry.

923
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:09,510
I understand.
Parents, get out.

924
00:55:10,090 --> 00:55:13,290
Get up, get out and half.
Fly through drops.

925
00:55:13,290 --> 00:55:16,330
I drive in.
Right, because when my child I

926
00:55:16,330 --> 00:55:18,250
don't want.
To hear your baby screaming.

927
00:55:18,250 --> 00:55:21,490
No, and I ain't pay for that.
Exactly.

928
00:55:21,730 --> 00:55:24,050
So I I do feel that, and I I
mean.

929
00:55:24,210 --> 00:55:26,850
And it's okay if you miss the
movie, Don't make us miss the

930
00:55:26,850 --> 00:55:28,130
movie.
You get up and take them out

931
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:30,410
into the lobby.
Exactly.

932
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:32,170
And I'm saying this as a mother
of.

933
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:32,810
Three.
Me too.

934
00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:36,170
My children were back-to-back
two years, two years and, you

935
00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:39,350
know, four years apart.
So I was going to the movies a

936
00:55:39,350 --> 00:55:42,790
lot of times with three, three
very small children.

937
00:55:42,830 --> 00:55:46,830
If my children started acting
up, first of all, you know, back

938
00:55:46,830 --> 00:55:49,710
then we were still giving
spankings, we were still giving

939
00:55:49,710 --> 00:55:51,990
them, you better shut your
mouth, blah, blah, blah, blah,

940
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:55,230
blah, blah.
And my kids, thankfully, they

941
00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:58,590
never cut up like that because
they were at the movies.

942
00:55:58,590 --> 00:56:00,830
They were like, ooh, we're at
the movies.

943
00:56:01,390 --> 00:56:02,750
And that I said.
Me too.

944
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:04,990
But not a mother of three.
I just had one.

945
00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:08,540
But.
But take me to the movies, so I.

946
00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:10,580
Will we will go?
Right.

947
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:14,020
We will go late when she was
sleep too, right it is be

948
00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:15,660
sleeping in there while we watch
the movies.

949
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:20,060
I go sometimes at the midnight
10:00 o'clock, but so here

950
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:23,500
Maggie, expecting them to like
all of them to put like up

951
00:56:24,180 --> 00:56:27,340
literally says.
You're going to get us killed.

952
00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:30,460
And for what?
So I can get my son back?

953
00:56:30,460 --> 00:56:38,020
Look at my people?
What task is keeping them alive?

954
00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:42,500
This is my priority.
Fuck about you and this Croat or

955
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:44,100
whatever.
I'm trying to keep the rest of

956
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:48,660
my people alive.
And I think that's a lot to ask

957
00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:51,700
for people you just met.
Right.

958
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:55,220
You are better off saying do you
have an issue with this guy?

959
00:56:55,260 --> 00:56:58,220
Maybe we can work together that
you can get what you want and I

960
00:56:58,220 --> 00:57:00,020
can get what I want, which is my
son.

961
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:03,040
Not even just.
People that you met.

962
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,800
People that you met and lied to
about why you were there in the

963
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:07,440
first place.
True, because you should have

964
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,880
came out with that when you
first got there.

965
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,600
I'm trying to get my son back.
Do you have a problem with this

966
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,400
person?
We can work together, but you

967
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,320
basically like, I don't.
But she has.

968
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,920
When she says it, she says it in
a way that she basically says, I

969
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,400
don't care if you die as long as
I get my son.

970
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,880
So.
But.

971
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:34,740
When she goes off to the side
because again, Luther says you

972
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:36,980
know your son is already dead, I
don't know why you're not

973
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:39,700
admitting it.
And Negan basically has to step

974
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:42,500
in and be like, OK, everybody
take 5 minutes, take, take five

975
00:57:43,020 --> 00:57:46,380
and she kind of goes off into a
different room.

976
00:57:47,220 --> 00:57:50,660
She rummages through her
backpack and she pulls out this

977
00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:58,180
10 canister and when she opens
it up, she has photos there's a

978
00:57:58,180 --> 00:58:03,030
photo of.
Her family on the farm, there's

979
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:06,910
a photo of a woman and a baby,
and looking at the photograph,

980
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:10,030
obviously it's not her and
Herschel, because where would

981
00:58:10,030 --> 00:58:11,590
she have gotten the film
developed?

982
00:58:11,830 --> 00:58:15,030
It looked like that might have
been maybe her as a baby with

983
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:17,670
her mother and.
Then she pulls.

984
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:21,750
Out a drawing of Glen, a very
good drawing of Glen.

985
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:26,270
Now here's my question again.
Here we go with with asking

986
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:28,710
questions that don't quite make
sense.

987
00:58:29,770 --> 00:58:34,810
So we know that Maggie left
behind everything from the farm.

988
00:58:34,810 --> 00:58:37,930
We know they've kind of lived a
nomadic life.

989
00:58:38,930 --> 00:58:43,570
I know that she went to her
grandparents house with Herschel

990
00:58:43,570 --> 00:58:46,450
when she first left the group,
so she could have gotten the

991
00:58:46,450 --> 00:58:51,730
photos from there.
But you mean to tell me that in

992
00:58:51,730 --> 00:58:54,570
between the different
communities where she has been

993
00:58:54,570 --> 00:58:58,210
running for her life because the
communities got raided and then

994
00:58:58,210 --> 00:59:00,690
she's been on the run, and then
with the common worth and

995
00:59:00,690 --> 00:59:02,650
everything.
You mean to tell me she kept up

996
00:59:02,650 --> 00:59:07,650
with all of that most.
Of it was a little 10.

997
00:59:07,810 --> 00:59:12,770
She put back her pocket, in her
side pocket, in her back pocket.

998
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:19,390
Yeah, but first of all, how she
get the drawing of Glee?

999
00:59:19,550 --> 00:59:22,910
That's my next question.
Who Drew Glenn because?

1000
00:59:24,110 --> 00:59:26,830
Yep, sketch artist is one in the
hilltop.

1001
00:59:27,870 --> 00:59:30,390
It needs to be somebody who
that, that.

1002
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:32,870
I'm sorry, I understand what
y'all are saying.

1003
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:35,350
Sketch artist.
Yeah, you can describe a person

1004
00:59:35,350 --> 00:59:36,110
to him.
Whatever.

1005
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:43,600
That picture felt very personal.
That's somebody who knew his

1006
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,560
face.
So who drew that?

1007
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,040
She drew to picture?
I don't know.

1008
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,280
It could have been her.
Maybe Carol, maybe Darryl.

1009
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,800
Who else knew who?
And we never saw the artistry.

1010
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,400
Well, I mean, now we're kind of
on the run for a long time

1011
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,440
because I said they wanted him
to say space to drunk because

1012
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,240
even though Alexandria gets
Kittles and.

1013
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,840
Yeah, because even in Alexandria
they had they they weren't safe

1014
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,480
there for very long before the
Saviors came knocking.

1015
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,560
Yeah, but Carol was able to make
some great ass cookies.

1016
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:19,600
If she was drawn, she could draw
it on.

1017
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,640
The in the evening time when it
was nice and quiet while we're

1018
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,440
reading stories.
Because I think even then,

1019
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,600
Alexandra, that's still too
fresh because they were living

1020
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,440
there when all of that happened.
So that might.

1021
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:35,460
Right, so it has to.
It just could have been somebody

1022
01:00:35,460 --> 01:00:37,020
at the hilltop.
It really could have.

1023
01:00:37,180 --> 01:00:40,540
Been let's see Eugene.
It could have been, could have

1024
01:00:40,540 --> 01:00:43,180
been, I don't know, it could
have been Aaron, could have been

1025
01:00:43,180 --> 01:00:46,020
somebody.
But I'm just saying it was.

1026
01:00:47,020 --> 01:00:50,540
It was a very nice portrait and
I'm like, y'all got to start

1027
01:00:50,540 --> 01:00:53,980
warning the sister when y'all
are going to like really tug at

1028
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:58,420
the heartstrings because I was,
I'm going to be honest, I was

1029
01:00:58,420 --> 01:01:04,100
not expecting to see Glenn
physically in the show.

1030
01:01:04,420 --> 01:01:07,500
Now we've already seen the
flashbacks of the circle, which

1031
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:10,060
again, I was not expecting.
I don't need y'all to show me

1032
01:01:10,060 --> 01:01:12,580
that shit again.
And then we see this very

1033
01:01:12,580 --> 01:01:16,780
beautiful drawing of him.
I was like, y'all y'all can't

1034
01:01:16,780 --> 01:01:18,580
keep, y'all can't keep doing
this.

1035
01:01:20,620 --> 01:01:27,420
But anyway, so Negan comes in to
talk to her and I find it.

1036
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:32,060
I find it funny, but I also find
it very sweet in a way that he's

1037
01:01:32,060 --> 01:01:36,160
just kind of like.
I think in the back of me is

1038
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,000
mine.
He knows that Maggie would

1039
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,640
probably kill him if she if she
had to have if if there was a

1040
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:46,960
choice, she probably would.
But the fact, I think that he is

1041
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:52,400
still trying to make peace with
her, her or at least just kind

1042
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,840
of call a a truce while they
have to do what they have to do

1043
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:01,600
to save Herschel.
Again, I find that very telling

1044
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,600
of the person that he is as
opposed to this person that

1045
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,920
people keep thinking that they
want him to be.

1046
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,920
You know, it's like he comes in
with this baseball cap and he

1047
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,640
was like, hey, I found this in
one of the stores.

1048
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,440
I remember that first.
She used to have one like it.

1049
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,600
I thought you might be able to
give it to him when you saw him

1050
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,520
again.
And it's so weird because Maggie

1051
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:30,200
is looking at him like, like.
She still wants to be mad at

1052
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,480
him.
But you can't.

1053
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,040
You can't really hate somebody
who is actively trying to be

1054
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,840
nice.
And I feel like it's genuine on

1055
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,840
his part.
I don't think Megan expects them

1056
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,600
to be friends.
I don't think he expects, even

1057
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,400
expects her to forgive him.
But I think he's just like, hey,

1058
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,520
we don't always have to be at
each other's throats.

1059
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,840
That's not going to help us get
your son, you know?

1060
01:02:56,430 --> 01:02:58,950
And he's just trying to find a
way to connect with her to be

1061
01:02:58,950 --> 01:03:01,910
like, okay.
Look, we got to meet on some

1062
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:06,270
kind of level in order to do
what we need to do because, one,

1063
01:03:06,830 --> 01:03:09,550
you're not going to save your
son fighting with these other

1064
01:03:09,550 --> 01:03:12,390
people.
And two, we definitely can't

1065
01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:15,550
save your son if we are not on
the same page.

1066
01:03:15,870 --> 01:03:18,430
Like we've been talking about
the last couple episodes you

1067
01:03:18,430 --> 01:03:23,190
came and got me.
So at least let me try to be

1068
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:27,120
what I need to be for you.
To help you get through this so

1069
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,880
you can get to your son.
I like seeing that side of him.

1070
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,280
And you know, even when he comes
to her, he was like, look,

1071
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,840
Luther is wrong.
Herschel.

1072
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,760
Herschel will be fine.
He's still alive.

1073
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,200
You just got to come up with a
plan.

1074
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,640
What's your plan?
And what did he say?

1075
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,760
He said contrary, contrary to
popular belief, I can't shut up.

1076
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,800
And he literally goes over and
sits in front of her to listen.

1077
01:03:53,790 --> 01:03:55,710
And she does open up to him a
little bit.

1078
01:03:55,710 --> 01:03:58,710
She was like the day that the
crow act came for our grain.

1079
01:03:58,910 --> 01:04:03,590
I told Herschel to hide in a
root cellar, You know, she said

1080
01:04:03,590 --> 01:04:07,870
at that point he would have went
right if I told him to go left,

1081
01:04:08,790 --> 01:04:11,270
you know, So it was so we
already know that there's been

1082
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:12,950
tension between her and
Herschel.

1083
01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:17,000
We still don't know why.
But she's basically telling him

1084
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,720
that, you know, he went to go
get a stick and a brick like

1085
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,280
that was going to do something.
I called him stupid.

1086
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,920
He told me to get off his damn
back and those were the last

1087
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,280
words we said to each other.
So now, OK, you know, on top of

1088
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:36,440
just her being scared of her son
being gone, she also has his

1089
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,280
guilt because that was the last
thing she said to him.

1090
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,760
And if something happens to him,
or even if something happens to

1091
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,240
her.
That's the last thing he's going

1092
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,320
to remember, so of course she's
worried about that.

1093
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:53,560
So then Negan opens up and
finally gives us the answers

1094
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:58,240
we've all been wondering since
episode one.

1095
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,160
First of all, we know that he
and Annie had a son named

1096
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:07,640
Joshua, and that they were
living in a cabin outside of New

1097
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,480
Babylon.
New Babylon, he said.

1098
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,440
Annie went into town.
To trade.

1099
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,080
And by the evening time when she
didn't come back, I knew

1100
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,120
something was wrong.
I went and looked for her.

1101
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,480
I found her.
And when I found her she had

1102
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,040
been robbed and beaten and and
he just kind of looks away

1103
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,560
uncomfortably so we can all kind
of, you know, fill that in.

1104
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:37,160
And he was like Annie told me
not to go do anything stupid but

1105
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,800
you know me.
I went and found them.

1106
01:05:39,310 --> 01:05:42,230
All five of them, And he said.
And I don't even think I meant

1107
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:44,790
to kill them or I don't think I
wanted to kill them.

1108
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:48,470
I was like, oh, OK, that's
sometimes that's worse.

1109
01:05:49,870 --> 01:05:52,030
Because when you're mad.
Right.

1110
01:05:52,110 --> 01:05:54,390
You went in there mad and you
like, oh, I'm not going to kill

1111
01:05:54,390 --> 01:05:57,070
him.
And you probably did worse to

1112
01:05:57,070 --> 01:06:00,750
them, which would.
Especially depending on what

1113
01:06:00,750 --> 01:06:04,990
they were saying, cuz like if
they were had no voice about it

1114
01:06:04,990 --> 01:06:09,610
and they were like.
Teasing him about it, but this

1115
01:06:09,650 --> 01:06:11,530
is OK.
Here's the other thing, and

1116
01:06:11,530 --> 01:06:14,050
y'all know I said something
about this in the first episode

1117
01:06:14,050 --> 01:06:19,090
about Harley Armstrong and his
oh so righteous ways and oh, you

1118
01:06:19,090 --> 01:06:24,090
killed some marshals and stuff.
So if these are the five people

1119
01:06:24,090 --> 01:06:27,930
that Negan is wanted for, you
basically telling me that your

1120
01:06:27,930 --> 01:06:33,810
lawmen are robbers, they're
abusers, possibly rapists.

1121
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,960
Yeah, you want to catch me again
and hang him upside down and saw

1122
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,400
him down the middle from going
to head again?

1123
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,960
Nothing has changed.
Nothing has changed.

1124
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,760
You still got dirty cops.
You still got people who feel

1125
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,080
like that badge makes them
untouchable.

1126
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,400
Because I'm like that part,
like.

1127
01:07:01,020 --> 01:07:03,500
Hurley is so focused on finding
Negan.

1128
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:06,140
Did you ever stop to think, OK,
maybe there's a reason why he

1129
01:07:06,140 --> 01:07:09,940
did this.
Nope, I know he.

1130
01:07:10,220 --> 01:07:11,620
Yeah, I would say he's not.
He's not.

1131
01:07:11,820 --> 01:07:14,420
He's not paying attention.
He's not stopping to think about

1132
01:07:14,420 --> 01:07:16,020
it.
You can tell that hell, just

1133
01:07:16,020 --> 01:07:20,180
from the first scene from when
he first introduced into the

1134
01:07:20,180 --> 01:07:22,860
show, he ain't give a fuck.
He don't care about none of

1135
01:07:22,860 --> 01:07:27,090
that.
So Megan says that after after

1136
01:07:27,090 --> 01:07:29,130
he killed the guys, they were on
the run a lot.

1137
01:07:29,130 --> 01:07:34,290
But it was very hard on Annie
and I was just sitting here like

1138
01:07:34,290 --> 01:07:42,050
how how bad did they hurt her?
Like, you know, I'm just, I'm

1139
01:07:42,050 --> 01:07:48,010
like okay, I I.
I have a couple of I have a

1140
01:07:48,010 --> 01:07:52,610
couple of issues.
Okay we going to go back one.

1141
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:54,920
Why they're not at the
Commonwealth.

1142
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,880
I mean, I don't understand.
He helped saved it.

1143
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:02,160
They could have been one of the
outposts for Commonwealth, just

1144
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,400
living a good life.
She could have been still.

1145
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,480
They could still be helping the
people that they found and had

1146
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,000
helped in the apartment.
Why go off to live in a little

1147
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,560
cabin outside of New Babylon?
I want more information on that.

1148
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,760
Because we're pretending.
I feel like we're pretending

1149
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,840
that the Commonwealth don't
exist.

1150
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:28,470
But it does exist because we
don't, we don't mention it

1151
01:08:28,710 --> 01:08:31,950
because it's like even with
Hilltop, because Hilltop said

1152
01:08:31,950 --> 01:08:34,310
that they want to get resources
to rebuild.

1153
01:08:34,310 --> 01:08:37,870
But she couldn't rebuild, so she
had to move Hilltop, like, where

1154
01:08:37,870 --> 01:08:40,750
are these people leaving?
Is Commonwealth bad again?

1155
01:08:40,990 --> 01:08:42,990
I'm just wondering.
I'm just curious.

1156
01:08:42,990 --> 01:08:45,910
I don't think it would be with
Ezekiel and Mercer leading.

1157
01:08:46,510 --> 01:08:50,350
Yeah, I'm just saying that, but.
I think that goes back to one.

1158
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:55,290
It could have been that.
Maybe Negan and Annie were there

1159
01:08:55,569 --> 01:09:01,290
for a while, and then Maggie.
So we know at the end of the we

1160
01:09:01,290 --> 01:09:04,529
know at the end of The Walking
Dead, Maggie and Negan have this

1161
01:09:04,529 --> 01:09:08,410
conversation and she basically
tells him I can't forgive you,

1162
01:09:09,170 --> 01:09:13,290
but I can see that you are not
the same person you know she

1163
01:09:13,290 --> 01:09:14,770
was.
Like, if you and Annie want to

1164
01:09:14,770 --> 01:09:17,810
stay, y'all can, You've earned
it.

1165
01:09:19,689 --> 01:09:23,180
But maybe.
And and this goes back to us

1166
01:09:23,220 --> 01:09:26,740
talking about Maggie and her.
Her lack of development or her

1167
01:09:26,740 --> 01:09:29,540
lack of being able to put this
behind her.

1168
01:09:29,939 --> 01:09:33,260
Maybe they got to be too much.
But she's at Hilltop.

1169
01:09:33,620 --> 01:09:37,420
You still got Oceanside?
Man, you asked a question.

1170
01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:41,979
I'm trying to.
I'm just trying to talk it

1171
01:09:41,979 --> 01:09:45,700
through.
Even if you are at Hilltop Okay

1172
01:09:46,060 --> 01:09:48,740
right now, all of your
communities, y'all are back in

1173
01:09:48,740 --> 01:09:50,960
this whole.
Trading thing.

1174
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,880
You got Alexander people here,
you got some here, you got some

1175
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,800
here.
Now, we know a lot of the people

1176
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,800
who knew Negan still didn't like
him too much.

1177
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,520
Maybe it got to a point where
they started treating him like

1178
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:07,480
okay.
You know what?

1179
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,960
He's not the he's not the same
bad guy anymore.

1180
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,280
If they started showing him a
little mercy, a little grace, a

1181
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,040
little bit of, you know, okay,
I'm going to give a little here.

1182
01:10:19,890 --> 01:10:21,930
Maybe that was too much for
Maggie to take.

1183
01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:25,170
And she was like, okay, I can't
be, you know what I'm saying?

1184
01:10:25,530 --> 01:10:29,050
That could be very well, yeah.
But Maggie not going.

1185
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:32,210
Maggie's not going to the
Commonwealth.

1186
01:10:32,410 --> 01:10:35,210
I can see her staying at
Hilltop, and there's so much

1187
01:10:35,210 --> 01:10:38,330
more Commonwealth people who
don't know nothing about them.

1188
01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:42,170
Or maybe some stories I just
feel like with the son.

1189
01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:45,180
It's really a plot device, I
know, because we got to get him

1190
01:10:45,180 --> 01:10:48,620
closer to New Babylon and for
all this stuff to happen, to put

1191
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:51,460
him in the right place, her in
the right place to meet up so he

1192
01:10:51,460 --> 01:10:53,700
can help her save her son.
I get that.

1193
01:10:53,940 --> 01:10:57,100
But let's really talk that
through because we want we're

1194
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:59,980
going to stay in Commonwealth,
we're going to stay in

1195
01:10:59,980 --> 01:11:02,860
Commonwealth, especially while
she's pregnant to keep up with

1196
01:11:02,860 --> 01:11:06,780
her prenatals and delivery.
Then you have a kid, you want to

1197
01:11:06,780 --> 01:11:09,500
stay around us so they can get
they shots.

1198
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:12,470
And whatever they need to go
through through this childhood,

1199
01:11:12,710 --> 01:11:14,230
they.
Were part of outreach for the

1200
01:11:14,230 --> 01:11:16,110
Commonwealth.
Maybe they were like, OK, we're

1201
01:11:16,110 --> 01:11:18,150
going to expand here.
We're going to expand there.

1202
01:11:18,150 --> 01:11:21,710
I mean, that's not unheard of
now I can go with that.

1203
01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:25,270
But they needed to mention that.
But the thing with Maggie, I

1204
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:30,390
feel like because Maggie has
left the group before again.

1205
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:33,990
I don't see that this would be
something outside of normal for

1206
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:37,230
her, for her to just up and be
like, oh, OK, well, we can't

1207
01:11:37,230 --> 01:11:40,390
make Hilltop work here, so we're
going to take it way over here.

1208
01:11:40,830 --> 01:11:42,510
And then she took her son with
her.

1209
01:11:42,510 --> 01:11:47,550
That could be a reason why her.
I I did that with Maggie because

1210
01:11:47,670 --> 01:11:50,750
she she she's not planning her
roots anywhere.

1211
01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:54,550
I I I understand that at all.
She I don't think she wants to.

1212
01:11:55,150 --> 01:11:56,910
No, I'm not saying that she
don't want to.

1213
01:11:56,910 --> 01:11:59,430
I think she can't do that right
now, OK?

1214
01:12:00,890 --> 01:12:04,770
But as far as I think for her
movement, I think movement and

1215
01:12:04,770 --> 01:12:08,730
going somewhere to start a fresh
she needed that, but it is so

1216
01:12:08,730 --> 01:12:17,450
that it helped her yet so.
What we found out from him is

1217
01:12:17,490 --> 01:12:19,890
after all of that, when they're
doing all the moving around

1218
01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:21,930
because he's on the run, he
said.

1219
01:12:21,930 --> 01:12:24,170
It's it's hard for her.
So what?

1220
01:12:24,170 --> 01:12:26,450
He no, I was talking about
Maggie moving, but I get back

1221
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:29,480
to, I get back to this one.
Yeah, no, I'm finishing my

1222
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:34,840
answer for it for me and Annie.
He when he talks about he says

1223
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,560
that it got hard for Annie.
So what he did was he put them

1224
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,400
on a wagon train to the jewelry
and he told them that he will

1225
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,960
follow them, but he never did
because he didn't want his

1226
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,960
troubles following after them.
You know he wanted them safe.

1227
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,640
So I feel like if the.
I don't think if she was in that

1228
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,440
kind of a vulnerable, vulnerable
position.

1229
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:04,200
I don't see Megan putting him.
I mean, putting her and their

1230
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,920
son on a train wagon with people
they don't know, with people

1231
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,360
going to make sure that they're
protected.

1232
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,240
So maybe, you know, again,
maybe.

1233
01:13:14,590 --> 01:13:16,590
That was part of the
Commonwealth.

1234
01:13:16,590 --> 01:13:20,310
Like, oh, OK, we're going to
expand out because again, let's

1235
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:23,190
go back to the whole thing.
If you stay in one area for long

1236
01:13:23,190 --> 01:13:26,670
enough, one you've exhausted all
the game you've exhausted.

1237
01:13:27,070 --> 01:13:30,390
A lot of the resources, you've
exhausted most of the places,

1238
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:31,750
yeah.
And they were doing that

1239
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:33,750
already.
They were doing that already

1240
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:36,750
again, they got, they had fresh
hair pieces.

1241
01:13:37,070 --> 01:13:42,310
So they know what resources,
they know where to go, you know

1242
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:44,930
what I'm saying?
They had a wrestling, you know,

1243
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:47,370
wrestling pit.
They know where to go for their

1244
01:13:47,410 --> 01:13:51,490
resources.
Okay, they had a lot of machine.

1245
01:13:51,730 --> 01:13:55,290
I mean they knew where to go.
Okay, Commonwealth.

1246
01:13:55,610 --> 01:13:59,770
They were expanding.
I just again.

1247
01:13:59,930 --> 01:14:06,410
It's the wig maker for me.
Feel like I just don't feel like

1248
01:14:06,410 --> 01:14:09,210
they will go until cabin.
If he has said that, it would

1249
01:14:09,210 --> 01:14:13,090
make more sense.
They they were doing something

1250
01:14:13,650 --> 01:14:15,730
and OK, and then here's my
second point that I have an

1251
01:14:15,730 --> 01:14:21,930
issue with and then I'm done,
OK, Knowing Negan's past and

1252
01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:29,210
what happened with Lucille, I
still don't buy in his character

1253
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:34,270
him leaving his wife and child.
I mean you can come up with the

1254
01:14:34,270 --> 01:14:35,910
reasons why I don't want this to
follow.

1255
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:38,550
We were running because you can
run across country.

1256
01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:42,350
This new Babylon sheriff shit is
only in this area right here

1257
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:47,270
because there's other areas that
have other sheriffs and other

1258
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:49,270
things and they not
communicating clearly.

1259
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:53,710
We know that.
But his character, that is not

1260
01:14:53,710 --> 01:14:56,630
what he want to do.
If you had told me if he has

1261
01:14:56,630 --> 01:15:00,910
said she left him because of
what he did.

1262
01:15:02,020 --> 01:15:03,220
I would have bought that.
That's more.

1263
01:15:03,340 --> 01:15:05,060
Belief.
I kind of think.

1264
01:15:05,220 --> 01:15:09,220
I kind of think in a way he sent
them away because of what he

1265
01:15:09,220 --> 01:15:12,180
did, because he didn't.
It's different when you're

1266
01:15:12,180 --> 01:15:15,740
dealing with another adult
because another adult can look

1267
01:15:15,740 --> 01:15:19,140
at things rationally and say,
OK, I understand why he did

1268
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:20,180
this.
I mean, think about it.

1269
01:15:20,740 --> 01:15:24,420
And he knew what he had done to
Glenn and Abraham and all the

1270
01:15:24,420 --> 01:15:27,330
other stuff that he did.
And she still fell in love with

1271
01:15:27,330 --> 01:15:29,730
him.
And she still actually ran with

1272
01:15:29,730 --> 01:15:32,570
him when they were moving.
She just got tired of doing it

1273
01:15:32,850 --> 01:15:38,130
right.
But when you have a child and

1274
01:15:38,130 --> 01:15:41,610
one you are trying to distance
yourself from that person.

1275
01:15:41,610 --> 01:15:43,530
You used to be that violent
person.

1276
01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:47,010
Now who knows when he had to go
kill those five men.

1277
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:49,130
Maybe that awakens something to
him.

1278
01:15:49,130 --> 01:15:53,110
The the, the, the hesitance.
The hesitancy and the fear that

1279
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:57,110
we've seen in this episode.
And he was like, I don't want my

1280
01:15:57,110 --> 01:16:00,070
son to see this.
Right.

1281
01:16:00,550 --> 01:16:02,550
But I still don't agree that he
would have left them.

1282
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:06,710
I'm just saying the character.
But you have to keep in mind,

1283
01:16:07,950 --> 01:16:10,910
because I said the same thing
about Michonne, because what

1284
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:11,990
would make you leave your two
kids?

1285
01:16:13,150 --> 01:16:15,550
You know what I mean?
And there has to be something.

1286
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:20,110
But see, it's easier.
Because she already had the

1287
01:16:20,110 --> 01:16:24,790
trauma of her original kids, but
they have a a big support system

1288
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:27,310
and she's trying to bring the
dad back home.

1289
01:16:28,110 --> 01:16:31,830
So that'll be like Annie leaving
their child to bring Negan back

1290
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:33,910
home.
But Negan been through so much,

1291
01:16:33,910 --> 01:16:36,590
I just feel, felt like two
things should have happened once

1292
01:16:36,590 --> 01:16:40,790
you left him or something
happened to them that would make

1293
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:43,150
more sense it.
Makes sense to me that he would

1294
01:16:43,150 --> 01:16:47,270
let them.
Go.

1295
01:16:47,930 --> 01:16:52,210
That let he let go that one time
and came back and stuff

1296
01:16:52,210 --> 01:16:55,370
happened.
But see, that was something that

1297
01:16:55,370 --> 01:16:58,250
was beyond his control.
I understand that he could

1298
01:16:58,250 --> 01:17:03,850
control and he could control,
but not knowing, I just don't

1299
01:17:03,850 --> 01:17:07,210
feel like that's in his new
character now.

1300
01:17:07,370 --> 01:17:09,650
But that's just, you know, I'm
just saying that's just how I

1301
01:17:09,650 --> 01:17:12,290
felt like.
But a lot of their choices is

1302
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:16,570
some stuff that I don't.
So the Maggie's choices is not

1303
01:17:16,570 --> 01:17:19,130
in her character, but I know
it's again to set up.

1304
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:22,490
We don't need him with a child
right now and the wife to worry

1305
01:17:22,490 --> 01:17:25,690
about why she's while he's
helping Maggie.

1306
01:17:27,770 --> 01:17:30,450
But yeah, he has.
But they couldn't speaking.

1307
01:17:30,450 --> 01:17:32,490
He has a child.
So.

1308
01:17:32,890 --> 01:17:34,530
Right.
And then put yourself, you see

1309
01:17:34,530 --> 01:17:36,090
what I'm saying?
Because you going to go meet

1310
01:17:36,090 --> 01:17:38,250
with them later on maybe are
you?

1311
01:17:38,250 --> 01:17:41,130
So you just going to leave her
with your son out there in the

1312
01:17:41,130 --> 01:17:43,120
world?
I don't.

1313
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,080
I don't know.
But I mean, he's.

1314
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:46,920
Also.
If you think about it, he's

1315
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,920
also, he's not said that he was
going to stay with Jenny.

1316
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,440
He told Jenny I have been trying
to find a safe place for you.

1317
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:58,480
So it's not like he's saying, oh
OK, I'm going to I'm going to

1318
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:01,840
take care of this girl and be
her dad while his own child is

1319
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,400
out there in the world.
No, I didn't think anything

1320
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,720
that, but like did he say he was
going to go back for his child

1321
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,040
and wife?
I we haven't gotten that far.

1322
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,520
I think, I think for the most
part.

1323
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:18,120
He was telling that story to
Maggie just to say, hey, we all

1324
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:21,280
make mistakes with the people
that we love and we all make

1325
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,000
decisions, You know, we do
things that we think are in

1326
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,440
their best interest, because
what?

1327
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:27,840
What was it?
He said?

1328
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,720
He said, I hope that they're
okay and maybe I don't have a

1329
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,600
right to do that, but isn't that
all we have in the end?

1330
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,840
Hope.
I think that was more so.

1331
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:40,040
Let me share my story with you
especially.

1332
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,250
And she asked about Annie.
You know.

1333
01:18:43,690 --> 01:18:50,090
Right I I just I don't know I
just I I it's just it's one of

1334
01:18:50,090 --> 01:18:55,290
those things I'd still.
Hopefully we'll get some more

1335
01:18:55,290 --> 01:19:00,530
information because yeah, I just
that that part of it does bother

1336
01:19:00,530 --> 01:19:05,370
me that you would put them on a
wagon going to another state

1337
01:19:06,010 --> 01:19:10,370
because again, I don't feel like
he would do that unless it was

1338
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:15,680
people that they knew.
So it's kind of like OK so.

1339
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:17,640
Right.
Because that's a lot.

1340
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,120
There's a lot of questions I
have.

1341
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,280
So I'm on the same page with you
on that.

1342
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,400
It's just especially all the
stuff he did, even when he stood

1343
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,760
up for everyone when they were
at Alexander and he was on his

1344
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,520
knees when he realized what he
had done.

1345
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:34,040
All of those things.
And you have a chance again.

1346
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,880
And yes, you you had well, first
of all, you did what you

1347
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,240
supposed to do.
She was attacked.

1348
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:44,750
I mean, I don't you you didn't
go out and just murder somebody

1349
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:50,710
because you had a couple of
beers at in New Babylon, but and

1350
01:19:50,710 --> 01:19:54,950
again, you going to Oklahoma.
Oklahoma ain't close to New

1351
01:19:54,990 --> 01:19:57,990
Jersey.
Missouri, but.

1352
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:59,990
OK, I know where they went.
Yeah, he said.

1353
01:20:00,030 --> 01:20:02,350
Missouri.
But I will say this, too,

1354
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:06,750
depending on what?
Depending on what condition he

1355
01:20:06,750 --> 01:20:11,140
left those five people in.
That could have scared him too,

1356
01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:16,540
if if if if he pulled a Glen and
Abraham on them or worse.

1357
01:20:17,260 --> 01:20:20,420
I mean think about it, the
punishment for his capture, like

1358
01:20:20,420 --> 01:20:24,100
I said in the first episode.
But he already know he got to do

1359
01:20:25,340 --> 01:20:26,620
it.
He know he got to do it.

1360
01:20:27,060 --> 01:20:30,780
He knew he had to do it so he
would spill their guts out.

1361
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:34,980
What should scare him is the boy
that he just smashed in the

1362
01:20:34,980 --> 01:20:36,660
glass.
That's who should have scared

1363
01:20:36,660 --> 01:20:38,820
you from last episode if you
just quit.

1364
01:20:39,380 --> 01:20:40,700
But I know because he killed
Ole.

1365
01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:45,700
But because you quickly, you,
you, quick.

1366
01:20:45,780 --> 01:20:48,100
That wasn't even your wife and
child.

1367
01:20:48,900 --> 01:20:50,620
The matter she share her pigeon
with him.

1368
01:20:51,180 --> 01:20:54,820
I understand that, I agree.
But I'm just saying you would

1369
01:20:54,820 --> 01:20:58,250
snap real quick to do that.
Don't be scared that you kill

1370
01:20:58,250 --> 01:21:01,050
some men who who did things to
your wife.

1371
01:21:01,210 --> 01:21:05,170
But you got to make a point
because these men, that man that

1372
01:21:05,170 --> 01:21:09,890
you smashed through the window,
is associated with someone who

1373
01:21:09,890 --> 01:21:13,010
knows who you are.
So right then, I feel like

1374
01:21:13,370 --> 01:21:17,730
Negan, if he's going to make a
show of who he is, he's got to

1375
01:21:17,730 --> 01:21:20,290
come out strong.
And again, this is something we

1376
01:21:20,290 --> 01:21:23,730
have seen plainly on his face.
He does not want to be this

1377
01:21:23,730 --> 01:21:25,770
person anymore.
He doesn't want to tap into

1378
01:21:25,770 --> 01:21:28,490
that.
You know, it's like.

1379
01:21:30,530 --> 01:21:32,610
I don't think that.
I don't think so either.

1380
01:21:32,770 --> 01:21:36,490
He said, I, you know, hold on.
I don't remember if it was this,

1381
01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:39,090
this episode or not.
But he said this is something

1382
01:21:39,090 --> 01:21:41,010
that's that's feeling real
familiar.

1383
01:21:41,010 --> 01:21:43,010
And I that's the person.
I'm not trying.

1384
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:46,250
I'm not trying to be or I
haven't wanted to.

1385
01:21:46,250 --> 01:21:50,530
Be He may not have wanted to be
that person, but it's still in

1386
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:55,050
him because as easily as he
switched knocking that man

1387
01:21:55,050 --> 01:22:00,920
through that glass.
As easily as he just fighting

1388
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:09,080
Luther as the thing.
OK, so let's talk about the

1389
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:12,320
Luther fight, because I don't
even feel like in that fight he

1390
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:16,520
will kill Luther.
He was like, look, I'm.

1391
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,120
Sorry, but if you find a cheese
grater across, somebody hit

1392
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,480
there.
Oh, but but because Luther was

1393
01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:25,960
trying to kill him first.
Now I that that's a whole

1394
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,440
different thing. self-defense.
Luther came at him, was in there

1395
01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:32,040
minding his own business trying
to.

1396
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,280
He did tell him like stop a
couple of times, don't do this.

1397
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:41,800
Don't do this.
Luther was the one who kept

1398
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:46,880
pushing and because you have
this, this wanted poster.

1399
01:22:47,220 --> 01:22:49,740
In your pocket and you're
reading off all these

1400
01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:52,300
attributes.
You think you know who the

1401
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:54,260
person is that's standing in
front of you?

1402
01:22:54,420 --> 01:22:57,420
Well, obviously you were not
paying attention to that fucking

1403
01:22:57,420 --> 01:23:00,700
poster they told you do not
approach for a reason.

1404
01:23:01,780 --> 01:23:07,620
But again, fuck around and find
out because you went after Negan

1405
01:23:08,740 --> 01:23:11,940
right after he just told you he
was in there looking for weapons

1406
01:23:12,100 --> 01:23:13,700
for them to use against the Crow
Act.

1407
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:16,180
So that should have told you
right then and there.

1408
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:21,800
That motherfucker was prepared.
You came at him, you got a

1409
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,400
cheese grater to the face.
And again, I don't think he was

1410
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,320
trying to kill him.
He was just trying to get him to

1411
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,520
stop.
And he was like, look, this is

1412
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,480
not the fight you want.
We supposed to be fighting the

1413
01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:35,440
same thing now when he ran that
cheese grater across his face

1414
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:39,260
and pushed him.
And Luther, Oh.

1415
01:23:39,500 --> 01:23:42,100
He also didn't know the push was
going to kill him, right?

1416
01:23:42,300 --> 01:23:43,980
Because.
Why would you think that?

1417
01:23:44,020 --> 01:23:46,820
Oh, I'm going to push him.
And there's a pipe jutting out

1418
01:23:46,820 --> 01:23:49,860
from the from the floor and his
head is going to land in that

1419
01:23:49,860 --> 01:23:54,460
pipe, not any of that.
He was basically like, you are

1420
01:23:54,460 --> 01:23:59,020
not about to put us out on the
street, not tonight.

1421
01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:03,660
And he took that.
Look, we're in the morning.

1422
01:24:04,460 --> 01:24:06,300
If you really want us go, we'll
go.

1423
01:24:06,300 --> 01:24:09,190
We'll leave in the morning.
Luther had to be no y'all going

1424
01:24:09,190 --> 01:24:12,590
to leave right now.
I bet you they didn't.

1425
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:21,710
And I mean, even with Luther
falling on the pipe, implanting

1426
01:24:21,710 --> 01:24:26,790
his head on the pipe, Negan
could have easily left him there

1427
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:32,910
to suffer.
Instead, he puts him out of his

1428
01:24:32,910 --> 01:24:36,300
misery.
Yes, it looks harsh to us

1429
01:24:36,300 --> 01:24:39,540
because of the way he did it,
pushing his head down on the

1430
01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:41,380
pipe, but what else was he going
to do?

1431
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:43,900
Yes.
He don't want him to turn into a

1432
01:24:43,940 --> 01:24:47,020
Walker when once he dies.
Right.

1433
01:24:47,980 --> 01:24:52,220
Which again, that's a whole
different person than the person

1434
01:24:52,220 --> 01:24:56,140
that we knew from 10 whatever
years ago.

1435
01:24:57,260 --> 01:25:02,660
So I I don't know.
It's just.

1436
01:25:05,910 --> 01:25:08,830
Luther fucked around, found out
OK.

1437
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:14,190
But the other thing that happens
in this episode is Maggie.

1438
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,920
Maggie is sitting there while
they're trying to make their

1439
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,120
plans for the next day and the
the chick with The Walking stick

1440
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,800
comes in and she's obviously one
of the tribes people.

1441
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,560
She's in that group.
And when she empties her bag and

1442
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,640
Maggie sees the Dino,
immediately Maggie is thinking,

1443
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:35,040
oh fuck, that means Jenny is
here and you.

1444
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,200
I thought at first that she
would go and tell Negan, but

1445
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,280
then I thought about it just
that quickly.

1446
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,840
I said she's not going to tell
Megan because if Megan knows,

1447
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:48,090
Jenny is there.
That's going to be his priority.

1448
01:25:49,050 --> 01:25:51,810
He's going to be like, I got to
go take care of her.

1449
01:25:52,490 --> 01:25:54,090
And.
Then right.

1450
01:25:54,090 --> 01:25:56,730
And then Maggie is going to be
with these other people who,

1451
01:25:57,050 --> 01:26:03,850
let's be honest, at this point,
between the tribes people and

1452
01:26:03,850 --> 01:26:08,890
Megan, she's probably better off
trusting Megan, because at least

1453
01:26:08,890 --> 01:26:12,330
you know what he's capable of.
You know how he thinks.

1454
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:18,280
And granted, after all of that
stuff, the way that he's still

1455
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,480
trying to make amends right now,
or at least trying to be cordial

1456
01:26:21,480 --> 01:26:24,760
to you, at least you know he not
going to leave you for dead.

1457
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:29,240
At least you know if something
happens to you, he's going to

1458
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,440
try to his best to make it
right.

1459
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:34,320
I mean, that's what he did with
the guy with the window.

1460
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:39,000
That guy attacked the tribes
people and Megan got pissed off

1461
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:45,820
about it, so.
You know when she takes that

1462
01:26:45,820 --> 01:26:49,100
dinosaur and she goes outside
with the matches?

1463
01:26:49,860 --> 01:26:52,380
Which she still.
Needs match matches.

1464
01:26:52,380 --> 01:26:55,060
But when she goes outside, I'm
like, is she really going to

1465
01:26:55,340 --> 01:26:56,860
torch this thing?
Like.

1466
01:26:57,180 --> 01:27:03,700
And then of course, here's Jenny
outside looking through a car

1467
01:27:03,700 --> 01:27:06,220
window again not a Walker
Insight.

1468
01:27:08,180 --> 01:27:12,820
And she sees that Maggie is
about to burn the dinosaur.

1469
01:27:13,020 --> 01:27:17,380
But the episode goes off.
So I was like, OK, is she going

1470
01:27:17,380 --> 01:27:19,620
to actually come out of hiding
because of that dinosaur?

1471
01:27:19,940 --> 01:27:23,180
Like doesn't mean that much to
her, which I'm figuring it

1472
01:27:23,180 --> 01:27:25,380
probably does.
I'm I'm guessing that was

1473
01:27:25,380 --> 01:27:28,180
probably something her dad gave
her before he died.

1474
01:27:29,060 --> 01:27:34,820
So I I don't know, like you say,
I feel like people are making

1475
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:39,580
bad choices, bad decisions all
around.

1476
01:27:40,450 --> 01:27:43,770
Because, Maggie, if you want
these people to help you with

1477
01:27:43,770 --> 01:27:47,130
your son, you need to show them
that you care about them too.

1478
01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:56,970
OK, Luther, he he got you know,
you reap what you sell.

1479
01:27:57,970 --> 01:28:00,770
You went in there and attacked
the boogeyman, and now your ass

1480
01:28:00,770 --> 01:28:05,330
is sitting dead with a pipe in
your head.

1481
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,080
I don't know what's going to
happen with Pearly Armstrong.

1482
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:15,320
I really don't care.
Yeah, I don't mean.

1483
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,280
Hopefully this shit will go.
Away.

1484
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:18,840
I don't.
Know his face is going to be

1485
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,840
stuck.
I have no feelings for.

1486
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:28,240
I just don't like.
Aside from him being the reason

1487
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:31,720
that the Croat now knows that
Megan is in town, I don't

1488
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,480
understand his whole purpose in
this story.

1489
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:37,100
It just.
Yeah, that's the hard part.

1490
01:28:37,100 --> 01:28:40,060
It's like I don't see his
purpose appear in the story, but

1491
01:28:40,180 --> 01:28:45,460
the only purpose is that Negan
left his family for this because

1492
01:28:45,460 --> 01:28:48,220
then that's the sheriff that is
chasing him.

1493
01:28:48,260 --> 01:28:51,220
You see what I'm saying?
So that would just be the only

1494
01:28:51,220 --> 01:28:56,380
reason to push us into this
world of he really did leave his

1495
01:28:56,380 --> 01:29:02,260
wife and kid to go to Missouri
and he is about to go help.

1496
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:06,550
I think we're some of the only
few people that actually care,

1497
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:08,950
because I know a lot of people
didn't like the whole and the

1498
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:11,830
Annie storyline.
Yeah, I, I, I.

1499
01:29:12,190 --> 01:29:15,710
And that's why I guess maybe I
have a problem with it, because

1500
01:29:15,990 --> 01:29:20,150
I feel like then it was just we
got them and now we just going

1501
01:29:20,150 --> 01:29:24,590
to push them to the side.
So then at that point we really

1502
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:29,630
didn't need him to be with Annie
or to be pregnant.

1503
01:29:30,110 --> 01:29:35,510
I think they put him with her
and made her pregnant, I feel

1504
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:38,710
like, to further humanize him.
Oh yeah, I agree.

1505
01:29:38,710 --> 01:29:42,390
And for him to get that point
when his family is about to be

1506
01:29:42,430 --> 01:29:45,910
murdered, but then then the next
storyline, we need to get rid of

1507
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:49,590
that family.
And I know people enjoy it, but

1508
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:51,230
people didn't want him to have a
family.

1509
01:29:51,230 --> 01:29:52,150
I get it.
You don't.

1510
01:29:52,150 --> 01:29:55,590
First of all, you don't want him
to have that.

1511
01:29:56,770 --> 01:29:58,930
And not a happy ending because
you living in this world, so

1512
01:29:58,930 --> 01:30:02,770
it's not all that happy but to
have some type of happiness.

1513
01:30:02,770 --> 01:30:06,050
They don't want him to have any
type of redemption, yeah.

1514
01:30:06,170 --> 01:30:09,090
Or even just Or happiness.
You don't have to be redeemed.

1515
01:30:09,090 --> 01:30:11,570
You're still going to be a
badass and still be happy.

1516
01:30:11,570 --> 01:30:14,010
You know what I'm saying?
With your gangster wife and son.

1517
01:30:14,410 --> 01:30:16,490
But they don't want him to have
nothing.

1518
01:30:17,930 --> 01:30:23,050
Right.
But I mean, at least they told

1519
01:30:23,090 --> 01:30:25,660
us.
So we can all stop wondering

1520
01:30:28,020 --> 01:30:31,540
because I I'm gonna be honest, I
actually, I liked her character

1521
01:30:31,540 --> 01:30:35,660
and I was like, oh, well, Megan
is about to have a show, so

1522
01:30:35,660 --> 01:30:38,260
maybe we'll see more of her.
Because remember my thought

1523
01:30:38,260 --> 01:30:42,620
originally when everybody was
like, so if Megan and Megan are

1524
01:30:42,620 --> 01:30:44,100
going to New York, where's
Hershel?

1525
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:47,140
I was like, Annie's probably
babysitting them.

1526
01:30:50,730 --> 01:30:52,730
Then we figured out that
Herschel was going to.

1527
01:30:52,810 --> 01:30:53,770
Get killed.
Be kidnapped.

1528
01:30:54,370 --> 01:30:56,730
Like, yeah, how many times is
this for Herschel?

1529
01:30:56,930 --> 01:31:02,370
Yeah, but it makes me also think
of when shows, right?

1530
01:31:02,690 --> 01:31:05,450
It makes me think of when shows
when the the main characters

1531
01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:08,170
have a key and then the kid
disappears like they never had

1532
01:31:08,170 --> 01:31:09,730
the kid, but you make them have
a kid.

1533
01:31:09,810 --> 01:31:12,090
We are not about to compare this
to family matters.

1534
01:31:12,130 --> 01:31:15,170
Come on now.
I mean, there's so many of them.

1535
01:31:15,170 --> 01:31:17,730
They do it all the time and they
every show that they have kids

1536
01:31:17,730 --> 01:31:19,450
and then the kids disappear like
what kids say.

1537
01:31:20,730 --> 01:31:21,930
I love stairs to that room and.
Everything.

1538
01:31:21,930 --> 01:31:23,370
Yeah.
My favorite.

1539
01:31:23,490 --> 01:31:25,170
My favorite.
Yeah.

1540
01:31:25,290 --> 01:31:28,610
Like, yeah.
So it's he had to.

1541
01:31:28,610 --> 01:31:31,850
He had to be alone.
There's a lot of decisions.

1542
01:31:32,050 --> 01:31:36,090
Again, a lot of decisions.
Yeah, but.

1543
01:31:37,550 --> 01:31:38,710
Okay.
So let's see.

1544
01:31:38,710 --> 01:31:40,790
Let let's let's do a little wrap
up.

1545
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:44,430
So Maggie is pissing everybody
off because she's willing to

1546
01:31:44,430 --> 01:31:46,430
sacrifice them all to save her
child.

1547
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:51,550
Negan just was forced to kill
someone because they want the

1548
01:31:51,550 --> 01:31:55,310
fuck around and find out.
The Croat just found out that

1549
01:31:55,390 --> 01:32:00,110
his daddy figure is home and
he's ready to show off all his

1550
01:32:00,110 --> 01:32:02,790
goodies and how well he's done
in school.

1551
01:32:03,190 --> 01:32:05,470
Pearly Armstrong is just Pearly
Armstrong.

1552
01:32:05,470 --> 01:32:15,270
Jenny needs a whooping.
And I will say this too, Tomaso

1553
01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:20,670
and Amaya, I'm still kind of
sort of on the fence about them

1554
01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:28,070
because I understand Amaya is
upset that they got raided and a

1555
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:33,210
couple of people.
Got killed, including Esther or

1556
01:32:33,210 --> 01:32:35,370
as Michelle Carter.
What did you call it?

1557
01:32:35,450 --> 01:32:39,330
Rose?
Rose, Rose, Rose you.

1558
01:32:39,330 --> 01:32:41,370
Understand.
She's upset that they got

1559
01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:45,250
killed, but you weren't even
considering going after him when

1560
01:32:45,250 --> 01:32:48,490
y'all had more people and now
all of a sudden you're gung ho?

1561
01:32:48,490 --> 01:32:51,690
Oh yeah, we'll distract his
people while you go after your

1562
01:32:51,690 --> 01:32:59,730
son and y'all kill him and this
and the other she feels too.

1563
01:33:01,350 --> 01:33:05,910
Too willing to help.
Whereas Luther was all the way

1564
01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:09,270
on the opposite side, because, I
mean, even even the way that she

1565
01:33:09,270 --> 01:33:12,430
came at Luther, Luther was like,
look, the decision has already

1566
01:33:12,430 --> 01:33:13,910
been made, we're not doing this,
she said.

1567
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:16,350
What are we supposed to do?
Stand around holding our Dicks?

1568
01:33:16,350 --> 01:33:21,990
I was like, oh, OK, But again,
it's like your people, y'all

1569
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:24,030
took it to a vote.
They said no, and you're still

1570
01:33:24,030 --> 01:33:25,430
like, oh, we're going to help
so.

1571
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,120
In in a sense, too, it's almost
like she's willing to risk their

1572
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:34,280
lives too for a stranger, which
maybe that's the type of person

1573
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:35,920
she is.
Maybe she's like, OK, you know

1574
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,760
what?
If this woman's child is is

1575
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,920
there and we can help, we can
help.

1576
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,000
OKI don't have a problem with
that either.

1577
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:49,600
But I don't know something about
her and Tomaso and then they

1578
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,970
also.
Kind of briefly focused on this,

1579
01:33:53,010 --> 01:33:55,770
and I didn't really get a chance
to think about it too much.

1580
01:33:56,130 --> 01:34:00,050
So when Tomasso is telling them
about how he escaped, because

1581
01:34:00,050 --> 01:34:03,530
apparently at some point Tomasso
was there with the Croats

1582
01:34:03,530 --> 01:34:07,930
people, he you know, he would go
and beg and the Croat would

1583
01:34:07,930 --> 01:34:11,530
throw him food and medicine and
then finally he came inside, but

1584
01:34:11,530 --> 01:34:15,690
he was able to escape.
When he's talking about this,

1585
01:34:17,170 --> 01:34:21,890
Maggie notices his back.
And his back looks like he has

1586
01:34:21,890 --> 01:34:26,370
had chunks taken out of it, like
he's been with like a cat of

1587
01:34:26,370 --> 01:34:31,170
nine tails or something.
But I was like, I feel like

1588
01:34:31,170 --> 01:34:35,250
there's more to that story.
But I I don't want to.

1589
01:34:35,290 --> 01:34:39,890
I don't want to necessarily say,
oh, he's part of the Croats crew

1590
01:34:39,890 --> 01:34:44,570
because the tribes people are
his family and it's obvious him

1591
01:34:44,570 --> 01:34:47,250
and Amaya are together.
So I don't think he would.

1592
01:34:48,590 --> 01:34:50,510
Like, purposefully sell them
out.

1593
01:34:50,510 --> 01:34:52,590
But I don't know.
Something about those two is

1594
01:34:52,590 --> 01:34:56,830
just kind of like they're, I
don't know, they feel too eager

1595
01:34:58,150 --> 01:35:01,030
to try to go after this person
who who y'all have been

1596
01:35:01,030 --> 01:35:03,750
terrorized, terrified of for
years.

1597
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:09,230
So I I don't know.
I don't know.

1598
01:35:09,230 --> 01:35:11,830
It's going to be interesting.
I just want to know what this

1599
01:35:11,830 --> 01:35:14,950
fallout is about to be like when
they find Luther dead.

1600
01:35:19,060 --> 01:35:22,860
So because.
They weren't in the same

1601
01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:24,420
building that they were in,
right?

1602
01:35:25,540 --> 01:35:30,540
They might have been, but I
think Negan and Luther, maybe

1603
01:35:30,540 --> 01:35:33,700
they were in a basement or.
Like a different rule?

1604
01:35:34,060 --> 01:35:35,460
Yeah.
Maybe they were on the other

1605
01:35:35,460 --> 01:35:37,020
side of the building or
something.

1606
01:35:37,220 --> 01:35:41,580
Because.
Negan probably would have, he

1607
01:35:41,580 --> 01:35:44,500
would have gone to, you know,
searching around like he said he

1608
01:35:44,500 --> 01:35:47,500
was checking for weapons.
Everybody else was in there

1609
01:35:47,500 --> 01:35:51,340
packing their bags.
And you know, these are all

1610
01:35:51,740 --> 01:35:53,660
family.
These are all people, So they're

1611
01:35:53,660 --> 01:35:55,260
in there talking with each other
and stuff.

1612
01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:58,980
So he would snuck away when when
nobody was looking like okay,

1613
01:35:58,980 --> 01:36:01,300
ain't nobody going to miss me
and let me go on ahead and do

1614
01:36:01,300 --> 01:36:03,380
this.
And it just so happened, Luther

1615
01:36:03,380 --> 01:36:06,300
following him, probably trying
to see what it is that he's

1616
01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:10,060
doing, like maybe trying to make
sure that Megan wasn't doing

1617
01:36:10,060 --> 01:36:13,170
something.
Because again, they did find out

1618
01:36:13,170 --> 01:36:15,490
that him and the crow at knew
each other in this episode.

1619
01:36:15,490 --> 01:36:17,770
So maybe Luther was thinking,
oh, that's.

1620
01:36:17,810 --> 01:36:19,530
How so?
Luther was already skeptical.

1621
01:36:19,690 --> 01:36:22,530
Yeah, he was when he he soon as
he walked into the room, he was

1622
01:36:22,530 --> 01:36:24,850
sizing them up maybe.
That's how they found us or

1623
01:36:24,850 --> 01:36:28,010
something like that, you know,
because again, the the barocity

1624
01:36:28,010 --> 01:36:31,170
showed up right after they
captured Megan and Maggie.

1625
01:36:31,170 --> 01:36:34,890
So it could have been, if you're
looking at it from the outside,

1626
01:36:34,890 --> 01:36:38,620
we know different, but.
I mean, like I said, I don't

1627
01:36:38,620 --> 01:36:41,940
blame Luther for being
skeptical, but there's ways to

1628
01:36:41,940 --> 01:36:44,500
handle certain things.
And I know I made the joke in

1629
01:36:44,500 --> 01:36:46,700
the last episode about Luther
being a big boy.

1630
01:36:47,020 --> 01:36:48,780
Besides, don't account for
everything.

1631
01:36:48,980 --> 01:36:50,220
That's what I'm saying.
That's why.

1632
01:36:50,260 --> 01:36:53,260
That's why he was sizing up
like, see, he's a threat.

1633
01:36:54,500 --> 01:36:56,380
You got you got to have some
smarts, too.

1634
01:36:56,380 --> 01:37:01,140
And Megan has that in spades.
So, I mean, remember.

1635
01:37:01,820 --> 01:37:04,020
Yeah, poor Luther didn't last
long.

1636
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:07,420
No.
But I mean, it's only a 6th

1637
01:37:07,420 --> 01:37:08,180
episode.
We had a.

1638
01:37:08,260 --> 01:37:10,580
Fucking attitude.
Y'all may know anybody with an

1639
01:37:10,580 --> 01:37:13,860
attitude.
You're right.

1640
01:37:14,420 --> 01:37:18,900
You're right Put.
Up with that shitty shit, I

1641
01:37:19,060 --> 01:37:22,580
mean.
If you think about it, Pearly's

1642
01:37:22,580 --> 01:37:25,900
2, His two people, they didn't
last long.

1643
01:37:26,260 --> 01:37:31,780
Esther didn't last long, so.
Right now, we're not attached to

1644
01:37:31,780 --> 01:37:34,730
anything.
Because the first person I did

1645
01:37:34,730 --> 01:37:37,530
attached to was the bar owner.
She was gone.

1646
01:37:38,850 --> 01:37:41,290
We we weren't attached to her
because we liked her character.

1647
01:37:41,290 --> 01:37:43,090
We just we were attached to her
because it was machine.

1648
01:37:43,090 --> 01:37:46,450
I know, I know.
But you know, just thinking she

1649
01:37:46,450 --> 01:37:49,330
was going to be in the show for
a while, but clearly nobody's in

1650
01:37:49,330 --> 01:37:51,850
the show for a while unless
Unique and Maggie and Hersch.

1651
01:37:52,610 --> 01:37:55,450
Right.
And and let's be honest, we

1652
01:37:55,530 --> 01:37:56,770
don't know what that's going to
look like.

1653
01:37:56,810 --> 01:37:58,570
They can.
I've seen a lot of people

1654
01:37:58,570 --> 01:38:02,240
speculate that.
You know, Negan's probably going

1655
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,520
to sacrifice himself to save
Herschel.

1656
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,880
He's going to sacrifice himself
to save Maggie.

1657
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:12,000
Or that once they do rescue
Herschel, when Herschel sees

1658
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,520
that is Megan that's helped,
he's probably going to try to

1659
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,920
kill Megan.
Or at that point, Maggie won't

1660
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,400
need Megan anymore.
Maybe she'll try to kill him.

1661
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:25,680
I've also seen people speculate
that, and I think we touched

1662
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:29,360
briefly on this last for the
last episode.

1663
01:38:29,820 --> 01:38:34,660
I've seen people say that maybe
Maggie is using Megan or

1664
01:38:34,660 --> 01:38:38,260
tricking Megan, like maybe she's
bringing him to the Croat.

1665
01:38:38,260 --> 01:38:42,980
But I'm like, why would she?
I don't know.

1666
01:38:42,980 --> 01:38:46,380
I get, I guess if the Croat has
already taken all of your food

1667
01:38:46,380 --> 01:38:51,460
and he's taking your child, then
if he says, hey, I want you to

1668
01:38:51,460 --> 01:38:53,980
find this person.
Especially if Megan got posters

1669
01:38:53,980 --> 01:38:56,590
all around.
Yeah, he would be.

1670
01:38:57,030 --> 01:39:00,030
Compelled to say OK, let me go
find him but.

1671
01:39:00,350 --> 01:39:03,630
Yeah, I can see her doing that.
I but I don't like.

1672
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:07,030
It's for her son.
She's willing to sacrifice

1673
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:08,870
innocent people she has never
met.

1674
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:12,710
But in 10 minutes to sacrifice
for her son.

1675
01:39:12,710 --> 01:39:13,790
What?
You want me to?

1676
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:16,910
Do yeah.
So she she's, I can see her

1677
01:39:16,910 --> 01:39:19,030
doing that.
And then this is not a Steven

1678
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:21,070
Spielberg film.
So you know her.

1679
01:39:21,070 --> 01:39:23,190
She could die.
This is true.

1680
01:39:24,930 --> 01:39:27,210
He is gonna die too.
I mean, think about it.

1681
01:39:27,210 --> 01:39:31,290
Carl was supposed to grow up to
be the leader of Alexandria, and

1682
01:39:31,290 --> 01:39:34,850
he ended up getting killed in
the show.

1683
01:39:35,410 --> 01:39:38,650
Yeah, so you know you, you know
it.

1684
01:39:38,730 --> 01:39:40,410
We don't.
Get no next Gen.

1685
01:39:40,410 --> 01:39:44,130
Stuff.
So you just, Yeah, we don't

1686
01:39:44,130 --> 01:39:49,170
know.
The only only thing that we did

1687
01:39:49,170 --> 01:39:52,760
mentions and.
Friends.

1688
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:55,800
No I don't favor the villains.
I'm just giving some back story

1689
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:59,520
here.
The Koac he has issues because

1690
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:03,920
he had to come home to smell his
burning family being cooked for

1691
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:07,480
a BBQ.
You know for a fellow family

1692
01:40:07,480 --> 01:40:12,760
that was starving.
So he look he has some problems

1693
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:17,360
and then he tortured people.
That's why I'm I'm like you were

1694
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,720
a scientist but you could also
have been.

1695
01:40:21,690 --> 01:40:25,090
A murderer too, but they could.
Also have been something he

1696
01:40:25,090 --> 01:40:29,170
picked up after his family was
killed, you know, at that point.

1697
01:40:29,170 --> 01:40:33,210
When your love of torturing is
is something you also may have

1698
01:40:33,210 --> 01:40:36,170
picked up when you were a kid.
I don't know that don't come as

1699
01:40:36,170 --> 01:40:40,170
easy killing when.
You're in this type of torturing

1700
01:40:41,250 --> 01:40:42,810
when you're.
Entering is different.

1701
01:40:42,850 --> 01:40:46,250
World and there are no
punishments.

1702
01:40:47,210 --> 01:40:50,210
But that means you bringing out
something that's internal.

1703
01:40:50,210 --> 01:40:52,570
Torturing is completely
different.

1704
01:40:52,810 --> 01:40:59,930
Torturing is inside that you get
you get some pleasure for some

1705
01:40:59,930 --> 01:41:03,970
torture.
And he likes the theatrics too.

1706
01:41:03,970 --> 01:41:06,730
He like the theatrics.
So he a little different.

1707
01:41:07,130 --> 01:41:12,410
So I was online and somebody
mentioned something that made me

1708
01:41:12,570 --> 01:41:15,740
think and I was like, oh.
I didn't get a chance to go back

1709
01:41:15,740 --> 01:41:19,940
in and try to find the scene,
but apparently, like when the

1710
01:41:19,940 --> 01:41:23,740
Saviors first got on the scene
and you know, I think this was

1711
01:41:23,740 --> 01:41:27,300
before they actually met Megan,
when it was more so like the

1712
01:41:27,300 --> 01:41:31,980
stories of Megan and what who he
was and what he did was going

1713
01:41:31,980 --> 01:41:36,580
around, there was supposedly a
conversation about the fact that

1714
01:41:36,580 --> 01:41:41,940
Megan killed a 14 year old.
And I was like, I wonder, is

1715
01:41:41,940 --> 01:41:44,820
this the person that Megan was
talking about that the Croat

1716
01:41:44,820 --> 01:41:46,700
killed?
Because remember he said she was

1717
01:41:46,700 --> 01:41:49,780
just a kid.
Now I would have thought kid as

1718
01:41:49,780 --> 01:41:55,140
in a 14 year old, but if that
was the conversation, that might

1719
01:41:55,140 --> 01:41:58,460
make sense because if we
remember there were a lot of

1720
01:41:58,460 --> 01:42:04,340
things attributed to Megan that
he actually did not do or did

1721
01:42:04,340 --> 01:42:08,680
not order.
Hey Simon And the Scavengers.

1722
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:12,120
So that could have been
something that they were like,

1723
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:15,160
Oh yeah, this Negan did this.
But remember, at that time,

1724
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:18,000
everybody was Negan.
Right.

1725
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,240
You know.
And when you're the leader you

1726
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:23,920
got to take responsibility for,
they gonna pin it all on you

1727
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:24,920
anyway.
Yeah.

1728
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:27,760
And they could have been doing,
I mean, they could have been

1729
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,880
doing that just to kind of add
to his.

1730
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:33,800
I don't know what you want to
call it.

1731
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,200
Add to his profile.
Add to his, you know, his.

1732
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,440
His scariness.
Yeah, that.

1733
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:42,480
So.
But now I'm sitting here

1734
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:44,400
thinking like, oh, was that the
Croat?

1735
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,720
Like, is that one of the ways
that they're tying it together?

1736
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:50,400
Was that actually the Croat?
And that was it.

1737
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:54,560
Then it would put them out.
That's a good way it would make

1738
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:56,520
sense.
Yeah, because remember, Nika had

1739
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:59,480
a rule.
No, no, kids, we don't.

1740
01:42:59,480 --> 01:43:04,090
We don't do that to kids.
And his other was we don't rape

1741
01:43:04,090 --> 01:43:08,250
women.
So that could be the whole, you

1742
01:43:08,250 --> 01:43:11,650
know, the the time piece between
him and the Croat.

1743
01:43:13,410 --> 01:43:17,330
So, I don't know, but so, oh,
you know what?

1744
01:43:18,050 --> 01:43:19,850
We didn't mention that little
dinner scene.

1745
01:43:19,850 --> 01:43:23,130
I do want to mention that before
we close out.

1746
01:43:23,780 --> 01:43:27,300
The little dinner scene where
they all sat around and they,

1747
01:43:28,700 --> 01:43:32,060
yeah, they kind of, I guess,
paid tribute to their lost ones

1748
01:43:32,060 --> 01:43:36,220
with like, these little pieces.
I thought that was a really nice

1749
01:43:36,220 --> 01:43:38,780
scene.
And then, you know, you see

1750
01:43:38,780 --> 01:43:42,340
Maggie and Megan sitting there
just kind of looking.

1751
01:43:43,180 --> 01:43:47,540
And then I noticed when when
Megan closed his eyes, Maggie

1752
01:43:47,540 --> 01:43:51,300
had a folded piece of paper that
she grabbed.

1753
01:43:51,740 --> 01:43:56,580
And she closed her hand on.
And at first I was like, is that

1754
01:43:56,580 --> 01:43:59,700
the drawing of Glenn?
But no, that was on Gray paper.

1755
01:44:00,260 --> 01:44:02,580
I don't think she has another
wanted poster.

1756
01:44:02,580 --> 01:44:06,540
I think that's what that was.
Are you sure?

1757
01:44:06,700 --> 01:44:08,340
I thought it was the picture of
Glenn.

1758
01:44:08,660 --> 01:44:10,220
I don't think it was the picture
of Glenn.

1759
01:44:10,980 --> 01:44:13,940
Oh, I thought it was picture of
Glenn too, because The Wanted

1760
01:44:13,940 --> 01:44:16,940
poster is on this yellowish kind
of paper.

1761
01:44:18,380 --> 01:44:21,350
But.
I was thinking like when they

1762
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:24,070
were having the conversation
after he had told her about

1763
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:27,030
Annie, the way that she was
looking at him.

1764
01:44:28,030 --> 01:44:32,150
I think, I think one of the
reasons why Maggie continues

1765
01:44:32,150 --> 01:44:37,510
being a Dick to him is because
if she lets her guard down, she

1766
01:44:37,710 --> 01:44:40,670
she has to actually start
looking at him as a as a human

1767
01:44:40,990 --> 01:44:43,270
being.
And I don't think she wants to

1768
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:47,830
do that, but she was looking at
him during that scene.

1769
01:44:48,430 --> 01:44:51,590
And I was like, what is going on
with her?

1770
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:55,230
Because she was looking at him
in a weird way, not like she

1771
01:44:55,230 --> 01:44:59,630
was.
I don't know how to explain it.

1772
01:44:59,630 --> 01:45:02,230
It was it was something about
the way she was looking at him.

1773
01:45:02,230 --> 01:45:06,950
I was like, huh, Something's
going on.

1774
01:45:08,150 --> 01:45:09,630
Or maybe she didn't.
I don't.

1775
01:45:09,670 --> 01:45:12,710
I don't want to say she didn't
tell them the truth because I I

1776
01:45:12,710 --> 01:45:16,450
think that.
I think that story she told him

1777
01:45:16,450 --> 01:45:18,810
about her and Herschel's
argument, I think that's a

1778
01:45:18,810 --> 01:45:20,570
little too personal for her to
make up.

1779
01:45:21,930 --> 01:45:24,450
And then, you know, we also saw
the flashback of her and

1780
01:45:24,450 --> 01:45:26,690
Herschel not getting along.
So I think that was true.

1781
01:45:27,090 --> 01:45:30,090
I don't know.
I figured out maybe maybe we'll

1782
01:45:30,090 --> 01:45:33,930
learn something else in the next
episode, but I I don't.

1783
01:45:33,930 --> 01:45:34,370
Know.
Yeah.

1784
01:45:34,370 --> 01:45:37,050
It's true about Herschel.
Because when he's a teenager.

1785
01:45:38,170 --> 01:45:39,570
So that happens.
Yeah, Get.

1786
01:45:40,610 --> 01:45:45,260
Off my back, OK, but.
Don't find out one way.

1787
01:45:46,460 --> 01:45:48,660
And you get kidnapped, so.
Your Mama had you gone to the

1788
01:45:48,660 --> 01:45:49,820
root cell of your ass?
My.

1789
01:45:50,620 --> 01:45:52,820
Right.
So you know that, you know

1790
01:45:52,820 --> 01:45:55,140
that's that's so that's true,
right?

1791
01:45:56,060 --> 01:45:57,300
So.
So.

1792
01:45:58,700 --> 01:46:03,500
But you guys have any final
thoughts about episode three?

1793
01:46:03,500 --> 01:46:07,420
We are halfway through already.
I don't like these short little

1794
01:46:07,460 --> 01:46:09,140
six season.
I mean 6.

1795
01:46:09,220 --> 01:46:09,860
Episodes.
Oh no.

1796
01:46:09,900 --> 01:46:12,420
Keep in mind the first the first
season of The Walking Dead was

1797
01:46:12,420 --> 01:46:15,470
on the 6th episode, so.
Yeah, but we knew we were

1798
01:46:15,470 --> 01:46:19,230
getting another season.
Well, I didn't know that Season

1799
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:20,150
3.
Oh yeah, that's true.

1800
01:46:20,150 --> 01:46:22,470
That's true.
But we don't know what's going

1801
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:27,550
on with this one.
We may get some news this

1802
01:46:27,550 --> 01:46:31,990
weekend because San Diego Comic
Con is this weekend, and even

1803
01:46:31,990 --> 01:46:36,390
though the writers and the
actors are striking right now,

1804
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:39,590
there is going to be an AM C
panel.

1805
01:46:39,950 --> 01:46:43,930
I believe it's on Friday.
And they are supposed to present

1806
01:46:43,930 --> 01:46:47,170
some information about the
spinoffs as far as the ones that

1807
01:46:47,170 --> 01:46:51,690
have already completed filming.
So we never continue with

1808
01:46:52,050 --> 01:46:55,250
whatever spinoffs, spinoffs I
think in the I.

1809
01:46:55,330 --> 01:46:58,770
Say it's a spinoff now, Casey.
I left your team, especially

1810
01:46:58,770 --> 01:47:03,570
since we haven't mentioned any
other parts of the last season.

1811
01:47:05,570 --> 01:47:09,170
No Commonwealth any.
And Joshua's gone, so this is

1812
01:47:09,170 --> 01:47:11,300
spinoff.
Yes, thank you spin off.

1813
01:47:11,700 --> 01:47:17,140
But anyway, so like I was the
Daryl Dixon first season has

1814
01:47:17,140 --> 01:47:22,020
already has already filmed.
They've started doing some

1815
01:47:22,020 --> 01:47:24,620
promotion for it.
So we may get some news on that.

1816
01:47:24,700 --> 01:47:29,700
Oh, we also do have a release
date for the Daryl Dixon show.

1817
01:47:30,180 --> 01:47:32,820
I believe that is September
10th.

1818
01:47:32,860 --> 01:47:39,690
Let me look real quick.
September 10th is the release of

1819
01:47:39,690 --> 01:47:41,890
The Daryl Dixon Show.
That's when it premieres.

1820
01:47:42,730 --> 01:47:45,890
The Ricky Michon Show has
finished filming.

1821
01:47:45,890 --> 01:47:48,530
I don't know where they are in
the editing process.

1822
01:47:48,570 --> 01:47:53,570
I'm hoping this weekend we get
some kind of information for it,

1823
01:47:53,930 --> 01:47:58,210
but I know anything else that
would be in production like the

1824
01:47:58,410 --> 01:48:01,930
the second season of The Daryl
Dixon Show, they have shut down

1825
01:48:01,930 --> 01:48:06,250
production on that for the
because of the strike, so.

1826
01:48:06,830 --> 01:48:11,230
Maybe by the time we record for
Episode, I would say maybe

1827
01:48:11,230 --> 01:48:15,870
Episode 5 we will have some
spinoff news that we can share

1828
01:48:16,430 --> 01:48:19,870
and discuss.
Have you guys seen any of the

1829
01:48:19,870 --> 01:48:22,030
teaser trailers for Daryl Dixon
yet?

1830
01:48:23,790 --> 01:48:27,550
I saw the non one, I saw him
walking through all the

1831
01:48:28,430 --> 01:48:30,870
countryside.
The Walking, walking and the one

1832
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:33,030
with the nuns.
OK, so the one with the nuns?

1833
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:35,350
Really.
I didn't see the nuns, only seen

1834
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:39,380
the.
Walking, walking and walking.

1835
01:48:39,780 --> 01:48:42,260
I will share that with you once
we close out, but yeah, that

1836
01:48:42,420 --> 01:48:43,460
one.
Is and walking it's.

1837
01:48:43,540 --> 01:48:50,140
Tricking because I'm like how?
What They got a whole lot of

1838
01:48:50,140 --> 01:48:51,660
questions to answer in this
phone.

1839
01:48:51,740 --> 01:48:52,980
The first damn episode.
And.

1840
01:48:53,660 --> 01:48:56,780
They don't.
Answer all these questions in

1841
01:48:56,780 --> 01:49:00,220
this first episode?
Yeah, it's going to lose me

1842
01:49:00,300 --> 01:49:01,660
because how the fuck?
Yeah.

1843
01:49:02,460 --> 01:49:06,060
Yeah, yeah.
It has to make sense.

1844
01:49:06,330 --> 01:49:09,450
That part.
But Darrell, I I feel like

1845
01:49:09,490 --> 01:49:12,970
that's like our catch phrase for
these spinoffs right now.

1846
01:49:12,970 --> 01:49:17,010
Make it make sense because I
know I said it a lot with the

1847
01:49:17,010 --> 01:49:21,210
first half of Season 8 for fear.
Make it make sense.

1848
01:49:22,730 --> 01:49:25,970
I mean, you got to it, Darrell.
How the hell is Darrell Dixon

1849
01:49:25,970 --> 01:49:31,530
ending up in France, Darrell.
And from that one little thing,

1850
01:49:31,930 --> 01:49:33,410
he was floating on top of the
boat.

1851
01:49:33,610 --> 01:49:38,620
Your ass ain't floated across.
Some seas to get from America to

1852
01:49:38,620 --> 01:49:41,500
Paris and take longer than that
little float boat.

1853
01:49:41,900 --> 01:49:44,500
You'd be floating on that boat.
You'd be a skeleton by the time

1854
01:49:44,500 --> 01:49:47,340
you got over there.
Especially the way sharks and

1855
01:49:47,420 --> 01:49:49,580
whales have been attacking boats
lately.

1856
01:49:49,580 --> 01:49:53,660
Like, I mean, I realize we're on
a different timeline from them.

1857
01:49:53,660 --> 01:49:57,620
We're in the multiverse.
But yeah, I just don't see that

1858
01:49:57,620 --> 01:49:59,180
happening.
So yeah, they they're going to

1859
01:49:59,180 --> 01:50:03,140
have to be very thorough when
they explain this because, I

1860
01:50:03,140 --> 01:50:06,880
mean, this is Darrell.
Who didn't even like going to

1861
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,600
the other communities there?
Or who didn't like being who

1862
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:10,800
didn't?
Even like taking a bath, y'all

1863
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:14,560
gonna sent them across the ocean
and a whole bunch of water so.

1864
01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:17,520
Yeah.
Come on now.

1865
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:20,120
Come on now.
Remember, Carol was like, you

1866
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:21,600
need a shower.
Come.

1867
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:24,800
On now.
Yeah, I'm gonna take that vest

1868
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:26,720
off you and hose you down.
Okay.

1869
01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:29,590
So.
I guess we'll figure that out or

1870
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:33,710
hopefully again, we may have
some information by this weekend

1871
01:50:33,710 --> 01:50:37,950
with San Diego Comic Con.
If we do, we will share that on

1872
01:50:37,950 --> 01:50:42,150
our next recording.
But for now, that is it for our

1873
01:50:42,150 --> 01:50:44,350
show.
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1874
01:50:44,350 --> 01:50:48,750
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1875
01:50:48,750 --> 01:50:52,980
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1876
01:50:53,180 --> 01:50:56,180
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1877
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1878
01:50:59,460 --> 01:51:02,180
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1879
01:51:02,540 --> 01:51:04,260
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1880
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