The Walking Dead: Dead City S1E4 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #253

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah, and I am here

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with Casey and Michelle, and we
are discussing episode four of

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The Walking Dead, Dead City.
Everybody wins a prize.

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And I loved the way that this
episode started because we get a

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sanctuary flashback with none
other than that asshole Simon.

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I was like, hey, me too.
I said it to Scott to help me.

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Simon you ass like he was.
He was such a Dick, but he was

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such a great character and I
love the way Steven Aug plays

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him, so it was nice to see him.
And you know what is the one

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thing Michelle was complaining
about in the last episode?

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About nothing tying back to the
original show, so.

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We to make this a continuation
and not a spin off.

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Yes.
So I guess I can go with

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continuation for now Casey,
because we do see the sanctuary.

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We see Simon coming in telling
Negan, hey, we have a problem.

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And this is the scene that I
told you.

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Somebody mentioned about Megan,
quote UN quote.

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Megan killing a kid, killing a
14 year old girl.

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And so this is actually what
happened.

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Simon is telling Megan, hey, you
know, there's some people around

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here who are saying you need to
go ahead and cut him loose and

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you know, to someone more like
me.

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And I was like, so Simon has
been at that a long time.

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So now that we see that I'm
like, okay, I can kind of

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understand why he why he
betrayed Megan because he'd been

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Megan's right hand person for a
long time.

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And it seemed like Megan never
gave him more responsibility,

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more trust, whatever.
However, this person called the

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Crow Act, you give him free
reign to question people, this

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straggler who you found and he
has tortured this girl so much,

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this poor kid so much he has
killed her.

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And then he's so proud about
what he did, cuz he's.

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Very proud.
We did it.

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We, you know, she was from the
Kingdom.

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What was it that you said?
Michelle, at that point, if

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you're if you're torturing me, I
won't say anything.

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I'm gonna say anything because.
What she want me to say so you

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can stop, right?
I feel like she probably said

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that just so he was stopping.
Then when you come in and you

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see the condition she's in, and
then just to look on Megan's

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face like Megan is just looking
at her like what the?

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Fuck they they both are kind of
looking.

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Even Simon was just looking in
disgust.

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Like, really?
But Simon was spending more time

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fussing at the Crow.
He was but.

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He but he but he knew what he
was about to walk into and he

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was like, this is a mess right
here.

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He was like.
I had already been in there,

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right?
He went to go get them like,

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hey, come look at.
Because.

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This shit.
Yes, because this is some crazy

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mess right here.
I know I'm off the chain, but

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this?
Right.

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This is ridiculous.
He told you to, He told you to

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step back.
He told you to let her walk.

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And what else?
He called.

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He called him Slavic,
psychopathic something.

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And the crowhead is like, I'm
not listening to this childish

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banter.
You know, we got what we wanted.

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We got the results.
And Simon is like, kids are off

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limits, like Simon was.
And Megan is just sitting there

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looking.
And, you know, the interesting

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thing about it is that kid
almost looks like Jenny.

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And I was like, oh, that's why
he took to her so much because

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she's a young girl.
She looks like this person the

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Croat killed.
And he probably is like, okay,

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well, I have to take care of
her.

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I have to save her because I
couldn't do that with the other

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kid because according to Simon
and according to what we heard

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me and say a couple of episodes
ago, he told the Croat to let

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that girl go and say torture her
for information.

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He said let her go because she
was a kid.

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But I was like, oh, this puts
this puts things so much more

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into perspective because.
And that's probably too also why

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when Simon finally did, betrayed
Negan, Negan made sure he was

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like, Oh no, I'm making sure I
don't miss this time I'm going

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to kill your ass because he had
already made that mistake.

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But I was like, okay.
So now we see what the

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background is between the Crow
act and Negan and that kind of

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and don't kids and women are off
limits?

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Because if you think about it,
too, it makes a lot of sense

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about the original show.
The way that he kind of took to

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Carl, The way he kind of took to
Judith, to Lydia, you know, kind

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of gravitating towards them
especially even though.

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Even I think that he's a teacher
too.

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He was a teacher, so he he
probably did.

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And, you know, enjoy.
And I'm thinking he's probably

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was high school, so he probably
did enjoy the high schoolers and

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stuff, right?
I mean, think about it.

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When Lucy came in and fussed to
him about that jacket, he was

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video gaming with a with a kid.
He was gaming with a with a

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teenager.
So yeah, I I was just like okay.

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So we kind of get that
background.

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And I mean, like I said, if you
think about it, when Carl shot

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up the sanctuary, at that point,
Carl was old enough, I felt like

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that Negan probably could have
looked at him and been like, oh,

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you want to you adult enough.
You came and shot up my my

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place.
You killed two of my people.

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But he still didn't, right?
And he had respect for Carl.

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So, yeah, But anyway.
But you know, also, Carl was

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technically supposed to be a
little younger than his ass grew

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up to be.
He had his growth spurts.

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So, you know, younger than what
he portrayed in the in The

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Walking Dead during that period,
Yeah, Well, I think he was still

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supposed to be like,
technically. 16 It wasn't that

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old yet at that point.
He wasn't 16 yet, was he?

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Because if you think about it,
he was.

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Well, let me see.
Maybe not quite.

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I was, I would say, at the most
15.

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OK, Because he was what,
twelveish when Lori died?

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Maybe.
I don't think he was 12 at that

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point.
No, because he had to be.

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Like maybe 8 when it all
started.

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Yeah.
So he might have been 10 by the

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time Lori died or not late 9/10,
which would give Negan what, two

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or three more years.
So he might have been supposed

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to be 12/13 at that period.
OK.

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So that would have put him in
that same little age range.

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OK, Oh, I'm going to have to
look it up.

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I know because look, these time
lies and the way The Walking

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Dead doing these kids.
Right.

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But I think, I think part of the
reason is because, you know,

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Chandler Riggs had such a his
growth spurt came like, you

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know, he he sprouted up so
quickly, right?

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So even though he should have
been portrayed much younger, his

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his body did not.
Right, I got he.

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Was like this you grown ass man.
Oh, see.

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And then someone, I don't feel
like this is correct.

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Someone said that he would be
around 12 in the first season.

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See that's.
What I thought 12 in the first

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season?
He was not 12.

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I'm sorry, that was nowhere near
12.

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And if he was 12, he was like a
small 12.

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I would say maybe 10 or 11, but
I mean most, most at that age.

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I would give him 10 because he
was actually 10.

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So why don't we just go with he
should have been just 10 because

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he was 10.
If for real 10, we'll have to do

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some research and figure out
the, the, the.

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Timeline, you go back and look
at him when Rick walked into

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that camp.
But he was like, dad ain't no

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fucking 10 year old.
Yeah, he could have been.

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He could have been.
He could have been 10.

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I said 18, actually 10.
Then yeah, so I give him 8 to

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10, so 10 but then but a lot of,
a lot of them saying season

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eight when he passed he was 15
going towards 16.

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Alright, we'll we'll, but you
know there's no confirmation on

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that.
Right.

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Alright, we'll we'll, we'll
figure that out.

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But anyway, let's get back to
that city because we got to talk

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about some things.
So the group, they're getting

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their things together so they
can enact out this plan against

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the Crow Act.
And of course Luther is missing

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because we know that Luther is
dead and.

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Everybody's looking for what?
He has.

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His own mind thing is, Amaya
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I've looked for him everywhere,
so they may have been in another

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building because what was it?
The girl who was scavenger said.

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She said I saw him on my way in
last night, meaning he was

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outside and then that's when,
Amaya says, Did anybody else see

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outside, see Luther?
So it might have been maybe the

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building across the street, the
building next door, or.

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Literally, Negan could have hit
him.

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Because when you're looking for
someone, you're not looking for

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them to be dead.
You're like Luther.

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Look, Luther Okay, he's not in
this room.

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Luther Okay, he's not in this
room to you.

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She wasn't walking around.
Yeah.

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He was on the floor, he said,
complaining about his hand still

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hurting.
He didn't try to love that big

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ass dude, no.
No, but she could have covered

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him up because she wasn't
looking like that.

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So here's the other thing.
You know how we we looking for

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somebody, Luther.
Okay.

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You're not in this room.
They put no answer to that.

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They so.
I'm not like when you tell your

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kids to go find something,
that's how they look.

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Luther.
Luther, I ain't see it.

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No, he's not here.
OK, so here's the other thing.

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I'm not sure how I'm feeling
about Amaya's character, and I

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don't know if it's just the way
that she's being portrayed.

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But one I said this in the last
episode, I feel like she's too

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gung ho with this plan about the
Crow at like, she has this whole

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thing figured out when she's
telling them, okay, we're going

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to do this and you're going to
do this and this and you're

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going to lure him here.
We're going to do that.

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Like, she has the whole plan
mapped out and I'm just like,

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again, I feel like she's too
eager.

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And then in this episode, this
is where you actually see that

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she and Tomaso are supposed to
be, like, together, together,

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because they kiss and they have
this little exchange.

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But that exchange did not feel
natural to me.

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Like nothing she does feels
natural.

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And I kind of sort of feel that
way about him too.

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But I feel like he's kind of, I
would say more standoffish than

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anything, but something about
both of those characters just

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doesn't sit right with me.
I don't know if I'm the only one

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that feels that way.
I just like I was watching had.

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I feel like they had a good
relationship, but I feel like it

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was more to it for some reason,
like it something was missing

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that maybe we don't know about.
As far as their relationship.

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That's what I felt like because
she was, she was like following

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him blindly.
You know, oh, he got out.

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He know the way you went through
this hell to get out.

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Let's go back.
What?

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Right, Right.
Okay.

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Yeah, we're missing something.
Something that's in there, you

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know what I mean?
Yeah, Because it.

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I don't know.
And then it's almost also too,

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like the whole thing with Luther
where they're sitting here and

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they're talking it out and she's
like okay, well where's Luther?

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You know maybe he did leave or
you know and everybody's like to

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lose and leave.
She's like, no, we're just,

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we're just trying to figure it
out.

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And of course Nema has the Negan
has the chime in and he's like,

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yeah, well, you know he wasn't
too keen on this plan.

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But somebody that big is hard is
hard to go missing.

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I was like, she lied ass.
But I don't know.

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Between her, I guess, like you
said, haphazardly looking for

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Luther because yeah, if if
you're really, really looking,

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you would have found him because
again, one Negan can't stay gone

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long enough to move a body, not
with Maggie there because Maggie

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has been watching him like a
hawk, you know.

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And I just, I don't know.
And then Tomaso him saying,

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well, you know, Luther probably
took off.

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He didn't want to be part of
this plan anyway, you know,

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agreeing with Nick.
And he was like, that's OK we're

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going to do what we're going to
do.

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And he's going to be, you know,
mad when he sees we pulled it

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off.
I'm like, it's, I don't know,

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something about them.
It's just weird.

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But even even from the first
time we met them, when Megan

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Negan came around the corner and
she's, you know, trying to get,

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she's trying to fuss at Esther
for bringing strangers.

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And she was like, So what are
you guys doing here?

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Because it doesn't look like you
big heads are from here.

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Like really?
This is like, you don't know

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nothing about them.
You could have said Dick head

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and they could have shot you
right there because they don't

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like that word.
I don't know.

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Something I heard just saying
off.

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The whole group is off, so I
just, I just think they're here

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to die.
I just.

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I just think we need care just
to kill off I.

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Guess well, guess what?
Guess what's going to happen?

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Can you?
Huh, I said.

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She said she need characters,
Characters to die out.

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Well, guess what's going to
happen because we go to the

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arena.
Right.

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And they go down OK quickly.
I mean, I was like, I was like,

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who's left?
I was thinking, well, who's left

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them?
Motherfuckers went down so fast,

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so a bunch of.
Skin.

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I said what?
Ain't nobody gonna make it.

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And my first thought was what
Jimmy did.

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I forgot.
OK, so so since we just skipping

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around, let's let's talk about
this.

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So you go into the arena, you
realize that no, none of the

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Baroczy are there, and then they
have set these traps so these

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barrels explode and you're
bringing walkers in the arena.

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Why the fuck y'all didn't get in
that cage and surround all the

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walls and start killing them
through the fence?

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Like, excuse me, I know that
Amaya and Tomaso and all of

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those people don't know, but
Maggie, you present 101.

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What the fuck?
Correct.

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Why are they treating these
people like they have not been

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in the apocalypse for years now?
I'm almost to the point where.

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Everybody's stupid.
Right.

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You can go up the stairs, go
down the road and let the

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walkers just fall down.
They can't climb up because we

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don't have variance.
They can't climb up, they can't

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climb down.
They're going to fall down.

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They climb down stairs.
They making these.

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They frustrated me, yeah.
Because I was thinking, come on

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now, come, come on now.
Y'all had enough people at the

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time before everybody started
getting killed off.

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Y'all had enough.
People, you had enough to go up

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the stairs too and get out the
way, but that's neither here or

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there.
But here's the thing.

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And maybe act like she didn't go
through the shit with Alexandra

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when all the fucking walkers or
the time with the with the

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goddamn wolves or any of these
other fucking instances where

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walkers overrun your town.
And I will say this too.

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I will say this too.
We did say in the last episode,

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and Luther also said in the last
episode, you going to get us

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killed?
I really kind of felt like she

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wasn't too worried about them as
long as she was still OK and

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Jenny was OK and even she almost
left Jenny and then she.

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Didn't give up, Jenny.
Well, no, because Maggie had a

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window to get the fuck out and
she turned around and saw Jenny

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ass and she went back and then
that's when she decided, OK,

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follow me, let's get into.
But that group you had before,

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you had a minimum of eight
people.

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It's an Octagon .12345678.
Lock the gate, lock the door.

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Y'all all have weapons like it's
going to take y'all forever.

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It's eight of y'all.
Yes, that's a lot of walkers,

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but y'all have a better chance
doing that shit with each

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other's backs against each other
than out there, which y'all was

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doing.
Grabbing pads off the edge?

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Stay in the circle.
Now who did that shit inside the

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Octagon with a lot more?
People, Yes, a lot more the. 2nd

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That music came on.
Everybody should have ran to the

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Octagon.
Everybody.

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Oh my God.
No, no.

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See, the people you went there
for ain't there.

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They're not as empty as hell.
So you should have went to the

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Octagon when you heard the
music, then if that didn't spur

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you on the second you heard out
of goddamn explosions go off

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your ass should have known then
that was a trap.

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You should have known then it
was a trap.

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But then here goes the other
question.

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How in the hell did the Crow Act
know they were coming?

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That's twice that the Crow Act
has now bested these tribes

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people.
He found their hideout and now

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he realized they were coming.
Somebody, somebody is spilling

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the beans.
I feel like somebody in that.

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Group, yeah, because it has to
be because they had a plan.

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He had a plan, like down to
playing the CD to get everything

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started with the lot, with the
lighters and stuff.

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So he had a plan.
So he knew they were actually

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coming.
And that's, I mean, I knew.

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Know what?
Well, of course he knew they

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were coming because they have
the sheriff.

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Never mind.
The sheriff was saying that

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they're coming up there, but
the.

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Sheriff doesn't know about the
tribes people.

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He doesn't, but he know that
Negan and Maggie's coming.

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But.
That production that the Croat

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did, You don't do that for just
two people then.

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Then I agree.
You don't do that for just two.

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You're not blowing up your spot
for two motherfuckers.

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No.
Because that's your spot.

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You you have the best that is
true.

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That is true.
And you want to keep him alive

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and you want to get alive.
So you wouldn't have done all of

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that.
So somebody gave the exact plan.

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The fact that Herschel is not
there, and the fact that not

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only the fact that Herschel is
not there, the fact that they

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left a fucking decoy that looks
almost like him.

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Yep.
This was some planned shit.

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So who's the snitch?
Well, the snitch can't be too

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alive, though I'm.
I'm just saying.

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I don't know because like I
said, I had Tomaso.

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And you know who?
The snitch is Maggie knew who

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the fucking snitch was.
Because if you go back to the

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what's the previous episode when
they was talking about the plan

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and she saw them that the marks
on his back she was like.

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So you think it's Tomaso?
Absolutely.

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OK, that would.
And that would explain why he's

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still alive.
OK, because he should be dead.

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I'm sorry.
That motherfucker pulled the

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Rosita, but I was, I was fully
expecting.

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Even though he got out of that,
I was like, OK, he he bit

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somewhere, that's what.
I.

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Thought too.
I thought that too.

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That's OK.
Yeah.

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Something ain't right.
Something, something just ain't

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right.
I'm.

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I'm singing in my Keith Sweat
voice.

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Something is not right about the
situation here.

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And it's like, I don't know, OK,
So I don't, I don't want to

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voice this.
Because I don't know if I quite

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believe it yet, just based on
what we've seen, but I have seen

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enough sneaky looks or weird
looks or strange looks coming

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from Maggie.
I don't know if I feel like

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anyway.
Well, I feel like this too.

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If it comes to the tribes people
and her child, they can all die.

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But.
She needs them, but she.

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Needs them to get to him and it
wouldn't make any sense for her

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to lead them into the arena
knowing that they, you know what

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I'm saying?
So it was kind of like, I know.

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Maggie's not the spy.
Of course not.

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Maggie didn't leave them to that
shit.

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Maggie wouldn't do.
Maggie's not going to do

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anything that's going to
jeopardize her damn son.

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She's trying to get to him.
Period.

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Whatever that looks like.
So that Negan is going to help

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her get to her son.
That's it.

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That's all she care about.
Help me get my son.

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You going to help me get my son?
But OK, here's the other thing

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you want.
This man to help you get your

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son.
Don't be questioning him about

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shit like finding beeswax in his
bag when your ass got a whole

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stuck ass dynasty.
You know what she?

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Know what She saw that beeswax?
She know exactly what that man.

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Oh, you killed his ass.
Come on now.

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You said I can.
She was like, you've done enough

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explaining.
He was like, so you mean to tell

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me you haven't done anything
that you needed to explain?

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00:23:59,130 --> 00:24:02,650
Well, she has a lot to explain.
She has a lot.

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I'm feeling like maybe, maybe we
did say this earlier.

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I don't know which one you guys
said it that Maggie Go was to

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exchange Negan for Herschel.
Yeah, but this is the whole

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entire plan.
This was the plan.

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I kind of feel, and he already
told her that he that she was

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going to court told her that
she's going to run into some

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people.
You can bring them along too.

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Could, could be and she don't
care.

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So this was the exchange.
And she felt okay with it.

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Could be.
But you.

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But you see, she does have she
does have some doubts about it.

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Because even right before she
found the beeswax, when she was

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holding his matches, because he
asked her about his matches.

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Have you seen my matches?
No.

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Right.
But then they.

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Had that little bitty bonding
moment where she was talking

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about, I think somebody in the
Tribes people was playing a

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harmonica and every time she
heard it, it's like she would, I

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was like, is something about to
trigger her?

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00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:15,210
Because it's almost like she was
sitting there, like.

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Like, ticking.
And then she tells the story

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about when Herschel was a baby.
You know, the upstairs neighbor

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had a harmonica.
This had to have been at Hilltop

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because that's where they were
when Herschel was a baby.

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But she tells him that story.
And then, you know, he says the

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thing, he was like, you know,
this is going to work.

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Your plan is going to work.
We're going to save your son,

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Maggie.
And she looks almost regretful.

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And then she was like, hey, I
have something to tell you.

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And I feel like she's about to
tell him about Jenny until she

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she saw that.
Goddamn wax.

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Yep, I agree to that.
You getting mad at him for the

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beeswax and keeping the fact
that Luther is dead a secret,

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but you ain't told him that his
surrogate child is running the

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streets of Manhattan by her
goddamn self somewhere.

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And this was.
Even before you actually saw

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her.
Right.

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Think about it.
Right.

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She didn't know what the
situation was with Jenny when

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she found that dinosaur.
Jenny could have been kidnapped.

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00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:22,590
She could have never made it to
New to New Babylon.

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Such things that happened.
She didn't know that Jenny

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actually made it to New Babylon
and then ran away.

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She just knows I know where that
dinosaur is from.

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So that's not a good thing.
Either Jenny is here on her own

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free will or somebody took her.
It could have easily been the

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Croat.
The Croat could have sent people

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back to New Babylon and be like,
especially because, like I said,

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she kind of, sort of looks like
the kid that started this whole

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thing between Negan and the
Croat.

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A whole bunch of reasons, but
the fact that you were sitting

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here sitting on top of a secret
like that, but you going to get

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mad at him because he didn't
mention to you?

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00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:06,500
Oh yeah, by the way, Luther
tried to kick us out and then

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came and attacked me.
So I killed him in self-defense.

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I killed him by accident in
self-defense.

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He actually.
Has a valid reason for what he

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did.
She does not.

449
00:27:18,450 --> 00:27:21,090
The only reason why she hasn't
said anything about Jenny is

450
00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:24,010
because she knows If Negan knows
that Jenny is there, he's going

451
00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:27,050
to abandon her and go take care
of Jenny and then she going to

452
00:27:27,050 --> 00:27:29,570
be stuck with these people that
she doesn't know trying to save

453
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:31,730
her son.
These people don't give a fuck

454
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:34,810
about her son Maya if.
Anything.

455
00:27:34,890 --> 00:27:39,210
If she's not the mole or
whatever, she's just worried

456
00:27:39,210 --> 00:27:41,170
about revenge.
Oh, you killed all my people.

457
00:27:41,170 --> 00:27:46,360
I'm about to kill you.
Tomaso feels it feels like he's

458
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:49,680
going to do whatever Amaya tells
him to do, because that just

459
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,600
seems the dynamic right now.
Oh, Amaya said we're going to do

460
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,720
this, okay, we're going to do
it.

461
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,440
Yeah, I know we said we weren't
going to help her, we weren't

462
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,800
going to attack the Croat, but
Amaya said we're going to do it,

463
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,040
so we're going to do it.
And then you talk most of your

464
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,480
people into doing it, and then
they end up dead, just like

465
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,050
Luther said.
But I.

466
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:14,650
Again, I'm looking this this
doggone Octagon.

467
00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:17,450
It's just it it makes me mad
because I was watching this.

468
00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:19,970
I was like.
Do we not remember?

469
00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:23,410
The prison, like Mackey,
especially you, was at the

470
00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:27,690
prison.
But even that she has experience

471
00:28:27,690 --> 00:28:32,410
with tactical warfare, so I mean
she should.

472
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:37,590
It was a slow reaction.
It was just so like, did you?

473
00:28:37,630 --> 00:28:40,430
Not learn at the right hand of
Rick Grimes.

474
00:28:40,510 --> 00:28:43,310
I'm just so.
I was just confused, like, why

475
00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:50,430
are we just just standing here
just being murdered Eight.

476
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:52,830
Yeah.
It was just so sad for those

477
00:28:52,830 --> 00:28:55,310
people.
They ain't stand a chance.

478
00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:59,110
We knew that.
A chance in hell.

479
00:28:59,510 --> 00:29:00,750
None.
None.

480
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,840
And in the.
Meantime, while they're doing

481
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,920
this, Negan is playing hide and
go seek with with With the Crow

482
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,920
at.
With the whistle.

483
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,200
Game looking for Maggie, who was
supposed to be boosting a car.

484
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,600
And then that's when she sees
Jenny and she leaves the weapon

485
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,920
in the car, or she leaves the
little screwdriver in the car

486
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,320
and chases after Jenny.
And that's when all this stuff

487
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,880
happens.
But Negan is.

488
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,640
Looking in the car, he sees the
screwdriver, but there's no

489
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,650
Maggie.
So now Megan is thinking

490
00:29:33,650 --> 00:29:36,690
something that happened to me,
right?

491
00:29:36,770 --> 00:29:40,450
It's just it's just too much.
It's.

492
00:29:42,890 --> 00:29:45,010
I don't.
Know like, I understand.

493
00:29:45,010 --> 00:29:50,010
Sometimes plans go to shit, but
y'all have two shit real fast

494
00:29:50,290 --> 00:29:54,930
because y'all have.
Too many extra factors.

495
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:59,290
Maggie should.
Have said something about Jenny?

496
00:29:59,730 --> 00:30:01,850
From junk way before.
Because.

497
00:30:01,850 --> 00:30:05,650
Now you're distracted because
you're you were so worried about

498
00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:08,530
him being distracted.
And now you.

499
00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:10,650
Ain't doing what the fuck you
supposed to be doing?

500
00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:16,090
And now all your.
People who came with you are

501
00:30:16,090 --> 00:30:22,530
dead for the most part.
And even though Tomas rose from

502
00:30:22,530 --> 00:30:28,900
the ashes, I know that was.
I'm sorry that was not now.

503
00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:32,180
Scratch none.
And then I thought.

504
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:35,700
I thought the same thing, like,
oh, he's been somewhere.

505
00:30:35,980 --> 00:30:38,780
No, he's good.
Well, I mean.

506
00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:41,540
We could see something in the
next if I have on corduroy.

507
00:30:41,620 --> 00:30:43,140
Maybe that jackets made out of
corduroy.

508
00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:45,420
That is not a.
Toughest suit?

509
00:30:45,420 --> 00:30:47,860
Only Elton has those I'm trying
to figure out.

510
00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:54,850
How you survive the, the, the.
Onslaught of walkers that rip

511
00:30:54,850 --> 00:30:57,410
and tear at skin.
But you made it out unscathed.

512
00:30:57,450 --> 00:31:00,290
Because I will.
Say this, yeah, y'all y'all were

513
00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:02,930
doing your fighting and y'all
were holding your own, but you

514
00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:06,130
ain't no Rosita, not from what
I've seen in this show.

515
00:31:06,130 --> 00:31:10,930
So there is no no no.
So maybe he and he could be the

516
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:15,410
mold.
He could be that why he know how

517
00:31:15,410 --> 00:31:21,010
to get out.
I mean, yeah, because if you

518
00:31:21,010 --> 00:31:23,570
think about it.
He claims to have.

519
00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:29,210
Escaped, which is possible.
But like you said, he did have

520
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:31,450
those scars on his back.
And like I said in the last

521
00:31:31,450 --> 00:31:35,010
episode, he looks like like
those are gashes.

522
00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:38,850
Those are not just from a whip.
Somebody took some metal or

523
00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:40,770
something to him.
Somebody got a cat of nine.

524
00:31:40,810 --> 00:31:44,130
He was torture.
Yeah, I was going to say the

525
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:49,170
Croat probably tortured him.
It was like, yeah, I'll give

526
00:31:49,170 --> 00:31:49,930
you.
What you need?

527
00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:50,690
What you need.
What you need?

528
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:55,530
What you need?
Lead the people back here so I

529
00:31:55,530 --> 00:31:57,370
can kill them all, right?
O.

530
00:31:57,370 --> 00:32:00,170
K So I'm sitting here looking
one Piper's ass.

531
00:32:01,810 --> 00:32:06,930
Yeah, but because I'm sitting
here looking, OK, when all of

532
00:32:06,930 --> 00:32:12,730
the walkers are coming in 123.
No, that could be.

533
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:17,850
There's like 15 people walking
with them right now.

534
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,520
Drift escape from these walkers
and and how many that Octagon

535
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,880
I'm.
I'm I'm mad now.

536
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,280
How many people didn't end up
being left over?

537
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,080
It's falling.
There now, I think, all right,

538
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,040
it's only four.
No, I think it was, it was what?

539
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,760
Maggie, Jenny, Amaya, Tomaso.
I think there were two others

540
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,000
and then they.
Just all ran in there.

541
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,160
It's four people in there.
It's only four people.

542
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,360
There's nobody else left.
Why did I think?

543
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,240
Somebody else died after they
came out of the Octagon, No.

544
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,160
It's it's them four.
And then that's when Tomas come

545
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,560
out.
Like I made it.

546
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,680
I'm a survivor.
Oh, yeah, OK, that's right.

547
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,640
Because Tomaso wasn't in in the
the black lady.

548
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,960
And then?
She got afterwards.

549
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,080
Yeah, she got and then it's and
then it's four.

550
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,160
They went into the room.
Yeah.

551
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:11,390
OK, so.
Have all those people before

552
00:33:11,390 --> 00:33:12,590
made it down?
To the tunnel.

553
00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:15,750
OK, so here's.
The other thing, so all of these

554
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:18,870
walkers are coming in.
You do have walkers coming in

555
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:20,710
from the top of the stairs, and
I don't recall.

556
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:22,870
I don't recall seeing any of
them fall.

557
00:33:22,990 --> 00:33:26,550
So walkers know how to walk
downstairs now that's what I was

558
00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:32,150
saying.
I mean, I.

559
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:36,260
I don't know.
It's it's almost like and I

560
00:33:36,260 --> 00:33:40,100
don't know if it's just that
because so much time has passed.

561
00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:44,460
That.
Maybe I don't want to change,

562
00:33:44,660 --> 00:33:48,300
the rules have changed, or if
it's just that maybe the walkers

563
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:52,140
have evolved in some way, or
maybe not evolved but they

564
00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:55,420
adapted these.
Ain't evolved because if these

565
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:57,500
were variance, they would climb
that goddamn fence.

566
00:33:57,940 --> 00:33:59,660
Yeah, but.
But that's what I'm saying.

567
00:33:59,660 --> 00:34:02,860
I'm not saying variance in that
they can do the other things,

568
00:34:02,860 --> 00:34:05,280
but I mean like.
Obviously none of them was

569
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,560
falling down the stairs, so.
They figured.

570
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:17,320
Some stuff out I I don't know,
but I I don't know.

571
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,320
I'm just I'm just looking at
this in the background, just

572
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,760
like.
There.

573
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,159
Y'all could have.
There were.

574
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:28,719
So many.
Different ways y'all could have

575
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,159
handled this situation, Yeah,
because I'm looking at them now.

576
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,080
Like going through the little
gauntlet with the little things?

577
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,239
Okay also.
So the first, the first, the

578
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,159
first chick that gets pulled off
and dragged, Why the fuck are

579
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:47,920
you walking around with your
long ass, ass length, hair loose

580
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,040
and hanging?
Fashion.

581
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:00,220
I'm just OK.
Tomas just.

582
00:35:00,220 --> 00:35:03,460
Rose from the ashes to save a
Maya.

583
00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:05,540
Oh, in your back.
Yeah, I just.

584
00:35:06,740 --> 00:35:08,340
And now they're able.
To make it to a door.

585
00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:12,660
I mean shit they killed in this
people.

586
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:14,900
He's leading them to where they
need to call.

587
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:16,140
Y'all come this way come this
way.

588
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:21,150
Well, I mean that that could
easily be explained by the fact

589
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:24,110
that he has been there.
And you know, he did say that he

590
00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:28,590
knew about the tunnels because
his his nono knew.

591
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:31,990
Why didn't he say that when they
first when they started first

592
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:34,670
having issues?
Because he pretended like he

593
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:36,470
know what to do either.
Everyone pretend like they

594
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:38,110
didn't know what was the best
way to get out of this

595
00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:43,430
situation.
Now you but now you know how to

596
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:48,400
get out this situation.
I don't.

597
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Know you know what my one
problem?

598
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,920
With this backroom is that's the
problem OK?

599
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,960
They were.
Struggling to get that

600
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,760
motherfucking tank or whatever
in front of that goddamn bell. 2

601
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,160
walkers.
Came knocking on the door.

602
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,480
The whole thing moved.
Really.

603
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,640
Yeah, I thought the same.
OK, I'm.

604
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,640
Looking at them pulling that
tomaso, they are pulling his

605
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:16,270
shirt and all this.
You can't tell me that No one,

606
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:20,190
no one didn't get a scratch.
I mean, literally, people fall

607
00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:23,150
on the Walker, get up and be
like, oh shit, I got bitten on

608
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:26,790
my hip.
You were?

609
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:30,030
Like it wasn't even enough time
to get bitten.

610
00:36:31,180 --> 00:36:33,820
But you over here with about
five of them on top of you, and

611
00:36:33,820 --> 00:36:35,500
nothing's wrong.
And not only.

612
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,660
That when they're dragging you
away, you're not even trying to

613
00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:41,260
fight anymore.
You're so busy looking at Amaya,

614
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:44,580
getting your last look in.
Yeah, your ass should have been

615
00:36:44,580 --> 00:36:51,740
dead.
So yeah, I that motherfucker

616
00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:53,900
pulled the Hulk Hogan.
That's the only way I can

617
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:58,180
explain it.
He's the Hulk Hogan of.

618
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,280
The Walking Dead universe.
Because other than that, it

619
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,080
makes no sense that Tomaso
survived that.

620
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,920
None whatsoever.
He definitely.

621
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,240
Don't have on corduroy.
I just verified there's no way

622
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,840
he could.
Have survived that if Rosita got

623
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,280
a bite and Rosita had on a
sweater and a hoodie and a damn

624
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,840
baby bag.
And she was.

625
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,920
Fighting, not just the.
Whole fucking face on her.

626
00:37:27,460 --> 00:37:30,500
Yeah, this ain't making it.
And we're supposed to be?

627
00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:33,460
Stupid.
And then even at the aerial

628
00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:40,420
shot, like they didn't kill that
many fucking walkers, no,

629
00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:44,380
because they had.
Hundreds of walkers outside?

630
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:46,580
No.
But what I'm?

631
00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:50,060
Saying is as much smashing and
slashing and shit.

632
00:37:50,740 --> 00:37:53,140
It wasn't barely no walkers
laying down.

633
00:37:54,590 --> 00:37:57,470
And then the.
That guy ate what is cause I

634
00:37:57,470 --> 00:37:59,590
don't even see cause normally
you know it.

635
00:37:59,590 --> 00:38:01,510
It ain't that much time ain't
passed.

636
00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:04,110
Why they still down there
munching on the motherfuckers?

637
00:38:04,990 --> 00:38:07,470
Because, because they.
Got a lot of bait walking around

638
00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:09,790
not knowing what the fuck to do?
Nah.

639
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:12,550
They was eating.
They was eating.

640
00:38:12,830 --> 00:38:15,030
Some of them might have been.
But Nah, they had live bait.

641
00:38:15,550 --> 00:38:17,750
They were like, oh, we'll come
back to this look.

642
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:20,940
They're they're probably
thinking in their zombified

643
00:38:20,940 --> 00:38:21,860
mind.
You know what?

644
00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:24,540
That meal ain't going anywhere.
We're going to go chase this

645
00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:28,500
meal.
So yeah, that's what that was.

646
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:33,580
You got live debate, you got all
the noise and everything.

647
00:38:33,580 --> 00:38:37,020
Yeah, that's where you're going.
That's where you're going.

648
00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:42,660
They followed the noise.
The sound of my food, but in.

649
00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:45,540
The midst of all this, like I
said, is playing hide and sleep

650
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:53,290
with the with the Crow at.
And and The thing is, they are

651
00:38:53,410 --> 00:38:54,130
so.
Funny.

652
00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:57,050
The car was happy.
As hell to be chasing that to

653
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:58,410
Megan, Megan, I told.
Him.

654
00:38:58,410 --> 00:39:04,410
He's like a fucking kid.
Yeah, I.

655
00:39:04,410 --> 00:39:08,250
Have no I have no doubts now.
He does not want Negan dead.

656
00:39:08,410 --> 00:39:10,290
He does.
Not he does.

657
00:39:10,930 --> 00:39:14,090
Happy.
He wants his friend back.

658
00:39:14,570 --> 00:39:19,280
Before we even get to that part,
it it was it was creepy him

659
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,400
talking to the girl.
Yes, OK.

660
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,840
So I was.
Going to ask about that because

661
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,120
I'm like, who is this girl?
Do I?

662
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,880
Scare you?
Yeah, you You don't see how I'm

663
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,560
looking at you, I'm.
Scared, OK.

664
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,000
Like you.
You, you never have need to be

665
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,200
afraid of me.
And she's looking at.

666
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:45,020
Look, you're.
Telling me not to be afraid of

667
00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:47,340
you while you are having me play
music.

668
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:50,980
To set a trap for other people
so you can kill them.

669
00:39:52,220 --> 00:39:53,900
No reason to be scared.
Nothing.

670
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:56,900
Why would?
You be scared.

671
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:58,420
Why would you be?
But I don't know I.

672
00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:01,420
Kind of feel like he was
looking, you know, the way he

673
00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:04,680
was talking to her.
It was kind of like he was like,

674
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:09,240
I've enjoyed, you know, watching
you grow up into this strong,

675
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,840
loyal, confident soldier or
whatever he called her.

676
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:18,920
I feel like that was maybe like
a substitute for his his

677
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,640
children, his deceased children.
Like, oh, I did get a chance to

678
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,360
do this.
Or I did get a chance to maybe

679
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,280
not necessarily make up for what
he did to the girl at the

680
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,330
sanctuary, but kind of like,
almost kind of like the way that

681
00:40:34,330 --> 00:40:39,330
he's looking at this
relationship with Megan.

682
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:46,050
As like he's viewing Megan as a
hero or as a father figure or

683
00:40:46,050 --> 00:40:50,530
someone that he needs to
impress, someone that he needs

684
00:40:50,530 --> 00:40:53,850
to prove himself to.
I feel like he's kind of looking

685
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:57,510
at her the same way this girl,
like, oh, you know what?

686
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:59,310
I'm not the scary person.
I can.

687
00:40:59,350 --> 00:41:02,950
I can be a good person to a
child I don't have, you know, I

688
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:07,190
feel like it's kind of that way.
But it is very weird.

689
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:09,750
Comes across.
Very weird.

690
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:13,870
So.
It comes kind of he's a creeper.

691
00:41:15,070 --> 00:41:19,280
It's just he.
And it doesn't and.

692
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,960
And and forgive us if it's
supposed to be someone's

693
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,280
identifying as a boy, It doesn't
matter.

694
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,840
He's coming off as a creeper.
It does.

695
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,760
I don't care what background he
thinks he's thinking of is his

696
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,720
children, or what he has done in
this past.

697
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,960
I feel like he has this
relationship with other people

698
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,040
and he is creepy.
Yeah, and makes other.

699
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,820
People feel creepy, yes.
Very, you know, very uneasy,

700
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:48,260
like no one.
Like some people are OK being

701
00:41:48,260 --> 00:41:52,340
there and some people are almost
like, they're scared, right?

702
00:41:52,980 --> 00:41:54,180
Right.
And he thinks.

703
00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:56,700
That I see what you're talking
about because I'm looking at the

704
00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:59,580
aerial view.
You do have one group of walkers

705
00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:02,740
over here in the corner eating
on, I guess, on one of the

706
00:42:02,740 --> 00:42:06,140
people.
But yeah, you have like maybe

707
00:42:06,140 --> 00:42:08,420
less than 30 walkers on the
ground.

708
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:13,410
They do nothing.
And for it to for it to be that

709
00:42:13,410 --> 00:42:16,490
many walkers because.
They was killing them in the

710
00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:19,970
Octagon, each person because
hell, Maggie killed 6 standing

711
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:24,890
there by herself and that looks
like that's all.

712
00:42:25,130 --> 00:42:28,450
And why they're not all lined up
dead around the the, the, the

713
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:30,810
Octagon.
We all, we all was jabbing them

714
00:42:30,810 --> 00:42:36,250
at the where do walkers go?
Maybe they didn't stab them in

715
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:38,890
the head.
Maybe once they filmed the

716
00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:40,370
episode, nobody go back and look
at it.

717
00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:48,930
This is what you get because
y'all continuity ain't giving.

718
00:42:49,090 --> 00:42:52,970
It's not, it's not, it's not.
It's just not.

719
00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:55,890
Like, y'all are too busy looking
at technical stuff.

720
00:42:55,890 --> 00:42:57,970
I don't, I don't feel like
they're paying attention to the

721
00:42:57,970 --> 00:43:01,170
little stuff.
Like we like, like us as fans

722
00:43:01,170 --> 00:43:04,010
would pay attention to stuff
like the fact that you said,

723
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:07,010
yeah, there should be dead
bodies all around that Octagon

724
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:10,050
because they were sitting there
killing bodies while they were

725
00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:13,450
in the Octagon.
And I mean, if you think about

726
00:43:13,650 --> 00:43:18,010
the number of walkers they
individually killed outside the

727
00:43:18,010 --> 00:43:20,610
Octagon, there should be more
bodies there.

728
00:43:22,770 --> 00:43:23,930
There should be more bodies
there.

729
00:43:24,450 --> 00:43:28,890
There should be walkers feeding
on on more than one four times.

730
00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:34,610
As many walkers as out there.
Yeah, easily, easily.

731
00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:42,310
But you you got. 13 Walkers OK
so we just going we just going

732
00:43:42,310 --> 00:43:45,270
to leave that alone we just
going to say we see and then

733
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:46,750
your.
Friends should be, and the 13

734
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:51,350
walkers are the ones that died.
Where are they?

735
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:54,750
So technically speaking, all of
them should be lunch right now

736
00:43:54,750 --> 00:43:58,310
for the for other walkers
exactly, or they getting up.

737
00:43:58,870 --> 00:44:02,470
If they should have bodies, you
should have piles with.

738
00:44:02,670 --> 00:44:05,750
Walkers eating them.
And then you should have all the

739
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:10,110
dead spread spread out around
right, but you just look.

740
00:44:10,110 --> 00:44:13,030
Like, oh, he fell over there.
Three of them fell right there.

741
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:16,110
It's a group, right?
Right, because here's the other

742
00:44:16,110 --> 00:44:20,990
thing that I noticed in some of
the other Walking Dead shows.

743
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:25,390
OK, so when you have someone
that is killed by walkers, and

744
00:44:25,390 --> 00:44:27,910
the walkers descend and start
eating them.

745
00:44:28,590 --> 00:44:32,670
Now we always see the walkers
literally tearing their flesh

746
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:39,090
apart, tearing their insides
out, like really eating into

747
00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:41,890
them.
How is it these people still

748
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:47,330
getting up, walking around?
Like at some point I understand

749
00:44:47,330 --> 00:44:51,970
your your Walker.
Whatever this disease is, it

750
00:44:51,970 --> 00:44:55,370
reanimates you.
But if the walkers that ate up

751
00:44:55,370 --> 00:45:00,970
your legs, if they don't ate up
your stomach, even as a regular

752
00:45:00,970 --> 00:45:05,190
person, your body is not going
to be able to withstand that

753
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:07,030
damage.
You're going to be hunched over.

754
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:11,950
You're going to be like.
Too many times when we see

755
00:45:12,350 --> 00:45:16,550
people go down as walkers and
they are like being torn apart.

756
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:23,230
Like let's say T dog T dog got
torn apart.

757
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:27,630
We never saw him get up as a
Walker Okay, at least not as far

758
00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:33,380
as we know.
I just like the people that

759
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:34,860
Martin.
What's his name?

760
00:45:34,860 --> 00:45:35,100
Nick.
Nick.

761
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:42,380
The one who was on the.
Trash Can with Glenn Nicholas,

762
00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:44,780
yeah.
Nick Nicholas.

763
00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:47,740
You didn't see him as a Walker.
No, and he didn't.

764
00:45:48,580 --> 00:45:49,740
But you know what?
But you know what?

765
00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:53,340
He shot himself in the head.
Yeah, that's right.

766
00:45:53,340 --> 00:45:56,580
He shot himself in the head.
But like I mean just think about

767
00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:59,540
some of the okay let's let's go
to Fear The Walking Dead right

768
00:45:59,540 --> 00:46:06,990
now strikes father.
He got pulled apart when when he

769
00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:09,110
died.
But there he was at the end of

770
00:46:09,110 --> 00:46:11,550
her life.
His uniform was still pretty

771
00:46:11,550 --> 00:46:17,990
much intact he still had the the
binoculars around his neck like

772
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:21,990
I I don't know.
Anyway, we'll just we'll we'll

773
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:25,190
just move on from that because
I'm sure this is not going to be

774
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:28,070
the last time that we look and
say ain't there supposed to be

775
00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:33,670
more bodies dropped.
So let's talk about the Croat

776
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:38,270
and and Negan, because the Croat
is a small.

777
00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:42,470
Child that was happy to show his
daddy what he built, right?

778
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:47,230
That's.
It like send me away.

779
00:46:47,590 --> 00:46:51,830
But guess what I did?
I took what you said and I made

780
00:46:51,870 --> 00:46:53,590
it.
I made it better.

781
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:56,030
We can all live here.
You can come here.

782
00:46:57,670 --> 00:47:02,040
And Nate Negan is steady sitting
there pointing this, this.

783
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:04,840
Gun.
I don't even know if you want to

784
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:12,080
call it a gun, this weapon.
And I just So what he talks

785
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,480
about, he was like the the guy
that Negan put through the

786
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,640
glass, he was like, yeah, I
heard about blah, blah, blah.

787
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,520
He was like, it sounded like
your handiwork.

788
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,440
You probably assumed that I
wanted revenge.

789
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Yeah.
So you shot.

790
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,320
Yeah.
So you shot my ear off.

791
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,460
I have another.
It's cool.

792
00:47:31,060 --> 00:47:34,260
Then he starts.
Then he starts asking about

793
00:47:34,260 --> 00:47:36,860
Lucille.
Is she broken?

794
00:47:37,180 --> 00:47:38,260
Where is she?
I was.

795
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:41,780
Like, And then he said one too
many hits to the head.

796
00:47:41,780 --> 00:47:46,140
I was like, this dude.
Yeah.

797
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:47,940
And.
And if you think about it, like

798
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:53,060
what what Megan says earlier in
the episode to Maggie when she

799
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:54,860
asks him, she says, Are you
ready?

800
00:47:54,860 --> 00:47:57,860
And he was like, yeah.
And then he said, no, I'm not,

801
00:47:58,350 --> 00:48:01,630
he said.
And it's not because the I know

802
00:48:01,630 --> 00:48:06,110
the Croat wants to kill me.
It's because the closer we get

803
00:48:06,110 --> 00:48:12,070
to him, it starts sounding like
a familiar song, one I'm no

804
00:48:12,070 --> 00:48:17,310
longer interested in playing.
Negan clearly does not want to

805
00:48:17,310 --> 00:48:18,830
be here.
He clearly.

806
00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:23,590
Does not want to go.
Back to being the the Negan that

807
00:48:23,590 --> 00:48:26,820
we were introduced to.
But people keep pulling him back

808
00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:32,100
in that direction.
They keep like, yeah, I just

809
00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:36,660
that whole that whole
conversation and he's still

810
00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:40,540
telling me again he was like the
whole island will become our

811
00:48:40,540 --> 00:48:44,180
sanctuary fueled by death in the
bowels and making just looking

812
00:48:44,180 --> 00:48:47,100
at him like you can't wait.
To get the fuck up out of here

813
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:49,580
where the bull you got me fucked
up.

814
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:52,860
But then when the crow act was
like, OK, you're here.

815
00:48:53,020 --> 00:48:56,720
I know who you want.
This brings out pearly arms.

816
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:02,280
Show me Show.
Me that as you saw his face when

817
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:16,000
he took that hood off, he was
like, oh fuck, Megan is like,

818
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,240
dude.
You ain't reading the room.

819
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,920
I'm not here for him.
Why would I come to rescue a

820
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,840
person who has been actively
pursuing me trying?

821
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:34,560
To kill me.
So then when he says no, I'm

822
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,440
here for the kid, Herschel.
He was like, Oh, yeah, The

823
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,240
Marshall told me you're still
helping the widow.

824
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,600
But if you if you know that's
who he's there for, why would

825
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:52,300
you bring Pearly out?
And then you want to know.

826
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:55,340
OK, So what does she promise
you?

827
00:49:55,340 --> 00:49:58,420
And I was like, huh?
Yeah.

828
00:49:58,420 --> 00:50:01,260
What did What did Maggie
promised?

829
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:03,420
Vegan.
Nothing.

830
00:50:03,780 --> 00:50:05,620
Nothing at all.
Not a.

831
00:50:05,660 --> 00:50:07,060
Damn thing.
Nothing.

832
00:50:07,220 --> 00:50:09,340
Is doing that shit out.
Of pure obligation?

833
00:50:09,620 --> 00:50:12,300
Yep, guilt.
That's it.

834
00:50:13,460 --> 00:50:17,890
Only thing because nothing.
It's nothing nobody could have

835
00:50:17,890 --> 00:50:19,610
said didn't make him go, go
back.

836
00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:21,930
Except for Maggie.
Maggie, the only motherfucker

837
00:50:21,930 --> 00:50:26,610
that could have made him go back
and I guarantee if it didn't

838
00:50:26,610 --> 00:50:30,130
have to do with Herschel, he.
Probably would have.

839
00:50:30,570 --> 00:50:32,650
He probably would have been
like, fuck you.

840
00:50:34,810 --> 00:50:38,410
Like I'm done grobbing.
I'm done begging.

841
00:50:38,530 --> 00:50:40,690
I'm done apologizing.
No.

842
00:50:40,690 --> 00:50:43,370
You want to be mad at me for the
rest of your life, Be mad at me

843
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:45,410
for the rest of your life.
Over there.

844
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,080
Over there.
Like I said, we still don't know

845
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,840
why Negan left the Commonwealth.
We don't know why he wasn't an

846
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,840
Alexander.
We don't know why he wasn't in

847
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,760
any of those places, why he was
living in a cabin in the woods

848
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,160
with Annie and Joshua.
Probably had a lot to do with

849
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,640
it.
He was probably like, I'm so

850
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,920
sick of this same song and
dance.

851
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,600
Every time I walk past her,
she's looking at me crazy.

852
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:09,840
She's looking at me like she
wants to kill me, even though

853
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,880
she told me years ago she didn't
want to kill me anymore.

854
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,720
Like you told him and the whole.
Like you told him, you didn't

855
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:22,440
want your son growing up, seeing
that someone else had that much

856
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:26,120
control over you, what you do.
Gave him all the control, bitch.

857
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,680
You gave him all the fucking
control, right?

858
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:34,920
So now.
So now I'm making this here,

859
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,280
telling the Croat like I don't
want this dude, I I want

860
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Herschel give him here and the
Croat.

861
00:51:43,070 --> 00:51:46,590
He's telling him he was like,
look, let's go have a sit down,

862
00:51:46,590 --> 00:51:48,030
let's talk about things I show
you.

863
00:51:48,030 --> 00:51:51,590
I come in in in the spirit of
friendship, like I really feel

864
00:51:51,590 --> 00:51:57,110
like right now the Croat really
doesn't have any ill intent

865
00:51:57,110 --> 00:52:01,510
towards Megan again, even though
Negan thinks he wants to kill

866
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:03,870
him.
Everything that we've seen from

867
00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:10,090
the Croat so far, like I said,
is almost like a child trying to

868
00:52:10,650 --> 00:52:14,370
get himself to his trash father.
It's like it's like he's pulling

869
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:16,250
the prodigal son.
Daddy, I'm home.

870
00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:21,170
Look what I did.
So I don't think that's it.

871
00:52:21,490 --> 00:52:24,410
But of course, Megan, Megan been
around.

872
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:27,290
Megan has stayed alive for a
reason.

873
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:30,850
He trusts his instincts.
And he's like, yeah, no, I'm not

874
00:52:30,850 --> 00:52:32,330
going with you.
I'm good.

875
00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:38,570
So then the girl at throws
Pearly over the railing and

876
00:52:38,890 --> 00:52:44,490
Pearly sitting there holding on
Megan is trying to help him, and

877
00:52:44,490 --> 00:52:46,570
the crow at shoots the crow at
face.

878
00:52:46,570 --> 00:52:49,010
With Megan help that man.
Yeah, he was like.

879
00:52:51,130 --> 00:52:53,210
This.
I didn't expect this at all.

880
00:52:54,050 --> 00:52:55,970
Right this is.
Supposed to help him kill you?

881
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:59,450
You were supposed to help, not
help him.

882
00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:01,620
Right.
That's him trying to see if

883
00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:04,580
Megan is still Megan.
I think so.

884
00:53:04,580 --> 00:53:07,380
That's all that is.
Because Megan, Regular Megan,

885
00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:13,860
old and old look old.
If he didn't let Pearly fall the

886
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:17,860
first time, then once the crow
ass shot his ass and leg, he

887
00:53:17,860 --> 00:53:20,340
definitely would have let him
fall.

888
00:53:20,340 --> 00:53:23,980
Because now your liability if I
say you can't walk.

889
00:53:25,300 --> 00:53:27,420
But.
No surprises us all.

890
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:31,180
He saves pearly and they get
away.

891
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:32,580
I would have let Pearly Ass
drop.

892
00:53:35,660 --> 00:53:40,700
And 1st I was like, OK, OK Now
Pearly will see that Negan is

893
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:44,420
not the bloodthirsty, murderous
person that he was thinking he

894
00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:46,900
is.
They find some place safe.

895
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,740
Megan puts the gun down and goes
to the door to check for

896
00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:52,460
walkers.
He turns around.

897
00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:56,200
Pearly done.
Got his cruel gun up, grabbed

898
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,040
the weapon and it's pointing it
at.

899
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,320
I'm like, you know what?
You should have let his ass

900
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,440
fall, right?
And I was like, he is such a a

901
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,160
ho.
I mean, come on, was thinking

902
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,160
the same.
Thing too, I just.

903
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,640
Helped you're gonna let you
drop.

904
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,280
I was like you dumbass, but I
said every here's the thing

905
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,920
before every show.
Need a Dick?

906
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:25,560
But here's the thing.
You shoot that weapon one time,

907
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:31,370
You actually have to sit there
and reel it back in to reload.

908
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:36,610
You got one good leg.
You think ain't gonna come

909
00:54:36,610 --> 00:54:38,730
across that room and whoop your
ass and kill you?

910
00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:43,290
You are so fucking stupid.
Or just send you back.

911
00:54:43,290 --> 00:54:47,210
Out there just go just go just
push them and close the door

912
00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:49,450
right I.
Come on.

913
00:54:50,290 --> 00:54:53,050
Like, we we're right.
Literally, they chasing us.

914
00:54:53,090 --> 00:54:54,610
And you want to do this right
now?

915
00:54:54,650 --> 00:54:57,610
I was like, this is some foolish
shit right here.

916
00:54:59,410 --> 00:55:03,610
I mean, I was with you like.
Was like flying to your.

917
00:55:03,610 --> 00:55:06,410
Mission that you going to
jeopardize your goddamn so

918
00:55:06,490 --> 00:55:12,570
alright, because.
Ultimately, get out of there and

919
00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:16,170
then we'll deal with I'm going
to arrest you, but literally get

920
00:55:16,170 --> 00:55:18,970
out of the immediate danger
situation you're in.

921
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:23,030
You're.
Stupid.

922
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:26,230
He is again.
I don't like his character.

923
00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:28,310
I don't.
I mean, I guess I see what

924
00:55:28,310 --> 00:55:29,790
purpose he's supposed to play
now.

925
00:55:29,790 --> 00:55:31,790
Like Casey said, every show
needs a Dick.

926
00:55:32,070 --> 00:55:35,150
And it's obvious Negan is not
the Dick in this in this show.

927
00:55:35,310 --> 00:55:37,750
So it's got to be somebody.
Why not Pearly?

928
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:40,430
Because I don't see any other
reason for his character to

929
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:42,870
still be around because.
He's a Dick.

930
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:47,230
He's always survived.
To the end, don't they?

931
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,400
He probably will.
At some point.

932
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,400
He's probably going to realize
that Negan is a good guy.

933
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,280
Or or that I won't say a good
guy, but Negan is not what he is

934
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,480
and blah blah blah, because
Negan's going to save his ass

935
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,800
again.
Watch.

936
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,560
And you're going to have to
because there always has.

937
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,280
To be a Dick that has a change
of heart, it's not.

938
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,680
It's not a true story unless the
Dick sees the.

939
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,280
Error of his ways and I was so
wrong.

940
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,960
I misjudged you.
Let me fix you.

941
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,360
How can I help you?
That's what we have to look for.

942
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,640
And again, and maybe he'll get
rid of.

943
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,800
That little furl he has right
here, but he no, he's going to

944
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,440
continue to look like a toddler
about to throw a tantrum,

945
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,080
because that's the only facial.
I told you, you keep it long,

946
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,320
you keep it that way long
enough, it's going to get stuck.

947
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,480
That facial expression has stuck
for him.

948
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,680
Yeah, because.
He he's been walking around

949
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,200
being the a hole.
I mean, he don't know nothing

950
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,640
else.
He knows nothing.

951
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,440
You don't lost your whole team.
You want this?

952
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,480
Island and apparently nobody can
get off of and it's your thing.

953
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,040
You want to see your brother who
killed the selfish.

954
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,640
You ain't talk to him and I
don't know how long.

955
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,920
So my whole thing is that's the
part calling the kettle black.

956
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,340
Girl.
Like, again, let's go back to

957
00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:15,820
episode one.
And the stuff that he said about

958
00:57:15,820 --> 00:57:18,980
Negan and what he was going to
do, oh, we're going to execute

959
00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:23,460
him, but not just execute him
like he was like he was selling

960
00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:26,860
a fucking infomercial.
Yes, we're going to execute him,

961
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:32,100
but we're going to hang him
upside down and we're going to.

962
00:57:32,420 --> 00:57:35,500
I kept saying cut no, this
motherfucker said we're going to

963
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:42,200
saw him in half.
From groin to head, you got a

964
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,600
whole different set of mental
what the fuck?

965
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,440
But you want to be judgmental
against this dude who killed

966
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,080
people for who literally just
helped your ass?

967
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,960
Literally.
Just feel I got out of here.

968
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:02,880
I still.
Got to take you in.

969
00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:09,020
Okay fine look.
Get out of the city first.

970
00:58:09,100 --> 00:58:13,180
I would push your ass.
And you would shoot me?

971
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:17,700
Shoot me cuz then you got to
deal with Walker me.

972
00:58:18,940 --> 00:58:23,980
And all the hundreds of walkers
outside with a busted up leg by

973
00:58:24,020 --> 00:58:29,660
yourself Better go on somewhere
you should let him go you.

974
00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:33,950
Should let him go.
Should just let them fall.

975
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:36,110
Join those 10 people on the on
the ground.

976
00:58:40,750 --> 00:58:48,830
I'm sorry.
So there's Negan and Pearly,

977
00:58:49,070 --> 00:58:52,590
Maggie, Amaya and Tomaso.
Like you said, they found a

978
00:58:52,590 --> 00:58:55,910
boiler room.
They they put one of the boiler

979
00:58:57,150 --> 00:59:00,950
kegs in front of the door and
they realize that they're going

980
00:59:00,950 --> 00:59:07,030
to have to go into the sewers.
In order to escape first of all.

981
00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:12,590
Didn't y'all say that this was
where the what does the Maya

982
00:59:12,590 --> 00:59:13,870
call them?
Fleshies.

983
00:59:13,870 --> 00:59:17,470
That's another term for you to
add to the T-shirt Casey.

984
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:20,670
Fleshies.
Didn't you say that that's where

985
00:59:20,790 --> 00:59:24,550
all of them were?
That's where the police kind of

986
00:59:24,590 --> 00:59:30,230
pushed them into and.
Then when y'all were getting

987
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:33,430
ready to go down into the subway
in the 1st place, you see the

988
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:35,990
methane coming up out the sewer
graze.

989
00:59:36,510 --> 00:59:41,750
This is how you want to get up.
That don't sound like a good

990
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:45,230
idea.
And it's only it's only four of

991
00:59:45,230 --> 00:59:50,830
y'all at this point is is
Maggie, Jenny, Tomaso and Amaya.

992
00:59:51,070 --> 00:59:54,310
And again, I've already told you
I don't quite trust Tomaso and

993
00:59:54,310 --> 00:59:57,130
Amaya and and we.
Haven't seen Jenny kill one

994
00:59:57,130 --> 00:59:58,770
thing.
So she not any help?

995
00:59:59,290 --> 01:00:00,010
No.
She killed.

996
01:00:00,010 --> 01:00:03,010
Something in the.
Arena do the finishing, OK?

997
01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:05,290
I mean, you can't.
Tell because they wasn't on the

998
01:00:05,290 --> 01:00:07,210
ground, but right.
And that was.

999
01:00:07,210 --> 01:00:09,050
Through a fence.
I don't know how she gonna do,

1000
01:00:09,050 --> 01:00:11,530
you know, face to face.
Yeah, she did though.

1001
01:00:11,570 --> 01:00:12,850
She.
Didn't Did Jenny.

1002
01:00:12,850 --> 01:00:17,930
I saw Jenny.
Oh, so I guess we gonna see how

1003
01:00:17,930 --> 01:00:22,530
this turns out, but.
Good about it.

1004
01:00:24,940 --> 01:00:30,380
Y'all going in the sewers and
the way that Jenny is looking at

1005
01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:33,580
Maggie, like, oh, OKI know
you're worried about Negan.

1006
01:00:33,580 --> 01:00:36,140
Negan is with you, not with
y'all y'all don't know where he

1007
01:00:36,140 --> 01:00:42,780
is.
But I don't know.

1008
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,620
I don't know Jenny.
I feel like Jenny knows

1009
01:00:47,620 --> 01:00:51,180
something she keeps.
But the way she's looking at

1010
01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:53,650
Maggie.
Sure, I'm saying.

1011
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:56,850
She'll tell Maggie, cuz she saw
Maggie trying to burn her

1012
01:00:56,850 --> 01:00:58,210
goddamn dinosaur, right?
That's.

1013
01:00:58,210 --> 01:01:02,330
It she probably feels like
Maggie's gonna leave him behind

1014
01:01:02,330 --> 01:01:05,010
anyway, right?
So Maggie trying to burn.

1015
01:01:05,010 --> 01:01:07,370
That goddamn dinosaur.
And she's like this bitch.

1016
01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:14,450
So yeah, and we don't know what.
The fuck going on in Jenny?

1017
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:16,130
Mine anyway.
Because remember that she's a

1018
01:01:16,170 --> 01:01:18,970
master motherfucking escape
artist, you know?

1019
01:01:20,090 --> 01:01:23,130
And and bicycle thief.
And that is where with all the

1020
01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:27,090
floating the fucking cooler.
Like Jenny is a super genius.

1021
01:01:27,130 --> 01:01:32,730
Because it just for what, 14
years old maybe and then made.

1022
01:01:32,730 --> 01:01:36,850
It all the way through the city
to find Megan or or find someone

1023
01:01:36,850 --> 01:01:40,010
you knew, which is Maggie.
Which will lead you to Megan.

1024
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,400
Yeah, Okay.
But okay, here's the other thing

1025
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,320
that bothered me.
And again we're we're, we're

1026
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,280
sticking with I, I'm, I'm
talking about these little

1027
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,960
details when they left the
building.

1028
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,000
You have the walkers that walk
past the building.

1029
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:02,320
The walkers had hadn't just
cleared the door and here y'all

1030
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,760
come out onto the street from
the building.

1031
01:02:05,300 --> 01:02:09,260
The walkers then turn around and
look because in the other show

1032
01:02:09,500 --> 01:02:11,180
it was walking.
They had a pick drop and they

1033
01:02:11,180 --> 01:02:13,300
all turned in their head like,
oh what is this?

1034
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:16,100
No, they was on their chip.
Toes So they was, yeah, they

1035
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:17,260
made.
No noise.

1036
01:02:19,820 --> 01:02:22,140
They boots they had, they had no
sneakers.

1037
01:02:28,380 --> 01:02:31,500
Yeah, like I said, it's quiet.
I'm.

1038
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:33,460
Quiet.
I'm liking, I'm liking a lot of

1039
01:02:33,460 --> 01:02:38,900
aspects about the show.
I mainly I do like what we're

1040
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:42,900
seeing between Megan and Maggie
because it it is a push and pull

1041
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:46,100
thing.
You know, Megan is basically

1042
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:50,580
trying to show Maggie that he is
not the person that she keeps

1043
01:02:50,580 --> 01:02:55,260
wanting him to be.
And you see Maggie fighting with

1044
01:02:55,380 --> 01:02:56,260
it.
But he.

1045
01:02:57,100 --> 01:02:59,140
At points turning into person he
used to be.

1046
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,920
Smashing no boy through all the
glass, That's.

1047
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,800
Old Knee, but I mean, but those
are the things that you doing.

1048
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,960
That's old knee again.
But again, he said that's that's

1049
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,040
something he doesn't want to be.
He he doesn't want to go back to

1050
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,880
being that person.
So you do see that struggle with

1051
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,480
him because that's the point of
going back to.

1052
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,880
That you're already that person?
Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I

1053
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,880
get that.
But what I'm saying is he

1054
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,790
doesn't want to be that person.
Like, yeah, we all got darkness

1055
01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:29,190
in in us.
And he told Maggie the same

1056
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:32,150
thing in the first episode.
He was like, there are no good

1057
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:35,830
people, no bad people or or
we're all bad people.

1058
01:03:35,830 --> 01:03:40,230
Like we've all done some things
that somebody else would look at

1059
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:41,830
and be like, oh, that's fucked
up.

1060
01:03:43,030 --> 01:03:44,830
But you don't have to keep being
that person.

1061
01:03:44,830 --> 01:03:46,630
You don't have to keep doing
those things.

1062
01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:48,820
And that's the thing that he's
trying to say.

1063
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:52,620
I don't want to be this person.
Now, if I have to be this person

1064
01:03:52,620 --> 01:03:56,380
to protect the people I love or
to protect, you know, whatever

1065
01:03:56,380 --> 01:03:59,100
the case is, he doesn't have a
problem doing it.

1066
01:03:59,100 --> 01:04:02,540
But it's not like he's doing it
and he's happy about it.

1067
01:04:02,740 --> 01:04:04,820
And I think that's the important
distinction.

1068
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,580
This is something that Negan
does not want to do.

1069
01:04:07,580 --> 01:04:11,780
He literally said it very
plainly in this episode.

1070
01:04:12,430 --> 01:04:14,750
I don't want to go back to
singing that song.

1071
01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:16,830
This is.
This is starting to sound way

1072
01:04:16,830 --> 01:04:19,750
too familiar and I don't want to
go back here.

1073
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:23,150
So that's the important
distinction.

1074
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:27,270
Yes, he can be that person.
Yes, we have seen him be this

1075
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:29,510
person since he's been in
Manhattan.

1076
01:04:29,830 --> 01:04:33,470
But he also had to be that
person to prove a point to these

1077
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:36,350
people down here.
Like, look, I ain't the one

1078
01:04:36,350 --> 01:04:40,710
y'all want to fuck with.
Take your ass home and leave us

1079
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:47,720
the fuck alone.
So I get it sometimes that that

1080
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,680
that part is going to have to
come out with you.

1081
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:55,120
I mean, Maggie, Maggie has done
it too with Leah and the Reapers

1082
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,560
when she was going to let them
go and it and Elijah was like.

1083
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,600
For his.
I can't remember his sister's

1084
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:09,320
name, but he was like, you know,
and and she got up and she was

1085
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,160
like, yeah, you know what?
If I let them go, all they're

1086
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,440
going to do is come back after
us.

1087
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,160
You know what?
Let's end this once and for all.

1088
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,640
So it's not like she hasn't done
anything right.

1089
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,680
They all have.
Hey, yes everyone has and we

1090
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,960
talked about this before, but he
obviously is not that same

1091
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,200
person.
And now the Croat knows it

1092
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,600
because like you said, legging
of the past.

1093
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,520
He would let Pearly fall and he
probably would have been like

1094
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,440
bye.
Yeah, just like I don't.

1095
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,200
Know.
I mean, I only know this dude

1096
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,360
and he been chasing me it I
mean.

1097
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,160
This I'm.
Not dealing with the court with

1098
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,760
this situation here.
He can just die.

1099
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:52,200
I don't really care.
But he did the nice thing and

1100
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:57,040
tried to save him for you to
arrest me 10 minutes later, OK?

1101
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,080
Like Sir, that's that still made
me mad.

1102
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,880
Like, really.
Me too.

1103
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,040
I was like, really?
This will come on this.

1104
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,000
What we doing?
Fuck you saving.

1105
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,040
My life and helping me get out
of this situation all right.

1106
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,720
Back right like Sir, if you.
Listen your ass down somewhere

1107
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,160
with your busted up leg with
your busted up leg.

1108
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,360
And your frowning door hole.
In you, Sir.

1109
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,560
Yes, it did.
It penetrated.

1110
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,440
You got penetrated.
Right.

1111
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:33,400
And here's here's my thing it.
Took a chunk out of his leg,

1112
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,950
That part.
So that means your ass needs to

1113
01:06:37,950 --> 01:06:41,350
be losing some blood.
That means he hit his carotid.

1114
01:06:42,430 --> 01:06:45,430
That's what I.
Thought the way the what

1115
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:49,430
location it was in so I'm just
saying.

1116
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:53,230
He pulled the pulled the little
spiky thing out of his leg.

1117
01:06:53,310 --> 01:06:56,310
All that blood and shit, the
border, I was like, so that

1118
01:06:56,350 --> 01:07:00,270
means that he's not supposed to
survive past the past the next

1119
01:07:00,270 --> 01:07:05,030
episode or the finale, but he
has to survive.

1120
01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:10,550
To take Megan back.
Megan going to kill him before

1121
01:07:10,550 --> 01:07:13,990
he let that happen, I know.
That we both know.

1122
01:07:14,190 --> 01:07:16,390
We both.
Know that, Megan said.

1123
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:19,790
He ain't going to sit and
nobody's got damn sale not.

1124
01:07:19,790 --> 01:07:27,830
Coming to Season 2, which the
show has been renewed, so that's

1125
01:07:27,830 --> 01:07:31,190
good, so you know.
But I don't need to.

1126
01:07:31,310 --> 01:07:32,870
I don't need to see Pearly in
in.

1127
01:07:32,910 --> 01:07:36,210
In Season 2, I don't.
Well, we just need.

1128
01:07:36,210 --> 01:07:40,810
To get, we just need to get.
I hate that it feels like we're.

1129
01:07:43,290 --> 01:07:47,010
We're just so.
Excited with the regular series

1130
01:07:47,010 --> 01:07:50,210
Walking Dead.
Just a couple of complaints like

1131
01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:52,650
you know where you find fresh
wig pieces.

1132
01:07:53,050 --> 01:07:55,090
But other than that we were
fine.

1133
01:07:55,690 --> 01:07:58,770
But here it just seems like it's
just gotten a little sloppy.

1134
01:07:58,770 --> 01:08:01,250
It's not tight.
We need to tighten it up.

1135
01:08:01,330 --> 01:08:04,810
So yeah, we that's.
The only thing is, like we do

1136
01:08:04,810 --> 01:08:09,730
Season 2, can we like, tighten
it up some?

1137
01:08:10,290 --> 01:08:14,050
Yeah, like when you have them in
an Octagon killing walkers,

1138
01:08:14,050 --> 01:08:18,330
please do the next aerial shot.
Please have like 4.

1139
01:08:18,330 --> 01:08:25,370
Walkers on the ground.
Let's let's slow down from 30 to

1140
01:08:25,649 --> 01:08:29,850
20 to 3:50, you know, let's
slow.

1141
01:08:29,850 --> 01:08:33,279
Down and really.
Dive deep into the characters,

1142
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:36,040
because then maybe we would like
like some of them a little bit,

1143
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:40,200
because I really don't care for
any of the New York people.

1144
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,290
No, it it they don't.
You can't.

1145
01:08:44,290 --> 01:08:46,649
There's not that.
Again, this is the complaint I

1146
01:08:46,649 --> 01:08:48,649
have.
You can't really do too much

1147
01:08:48,649 --> 01:08:52,569
with six episodes.
Like if y'all, if y'all should

1148
01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:56,729
renew, you could.
Yeah, you could.

1149
01:08:56,770 --> 01:08:58,930
You could I mean the.
First season of The Walking

1150
01:08:58,930 --> 01:09:00,810
Dead?
That was a fluke because you

1151
01:09:00,810 --> 01:09:04,930
don't find many, many shows that
could pull off what they pulled

1152
01:09:04,930 --> 01:09:08,689
off in that first season.
There's something to do what

1153
01:09:08,689 --> 01:09:11,770
they did.
That's almost unheard of, but

1154
01:09:11,770 --> 01:09:13,970
they can.
Cut some of this stuff out and

1155
01:09:13,970 --> 01:09:15,330
tighten it up.
They could have.

1156
01:09:16,529 --> 01:09:20,330
They really could have.
Like we just.

1157
01:09:20,330 --> 01:09:25,050
Get little bits, bits and pieces
and then we're supposed to care

1158
01:09:25,050 --> 01:09:28,250
or just use people facial
expression to kind of figure it

1159
01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:31,609
out or figure it out because we
know how people should be after

1160
01:09:31,609 --> 01:09:33,930
this time in the situation
they're in.

1161
01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:38,580
But this is my thing, OK?
Instead of giving us two six

1162
01:09:38,580 --> 01:09:42,859
episode seasons, just give us
112 episode season like you do

1163
01:09:43,060 --> 01:09:47,660
on everything else nowadays.
Give us a two episode season.

1164
01:09:50,620 --> 01:09:52,620
Because they can.
They can do a lot.

1165
01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:56,980
Even when we watched even these
other things on on Netflix,

1166
01:09:56,980 --> 01:10:00,140
that's only six or these short
miniseries.

1167
01:10:00,140 --> 01:10:03,300
They pack in a lot of things and
can pull us.

1168
01:10:03,620 --> 01:10:11,690
It's like, I don't really care.
Yeah, so I'm starting.

1169
01:10:11,690 --> 01:10:15,970
To I mean I I Negan has redeemed
himself with me.

1170
01:10:15,970 --> 01:10:19,730
So I think by now the listeners
and any panels we do people can

1171
01:10:20,210 --> 01:10:23,250
figure that out.
So, but at this point, if he

1172
01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:25,650
didn't, he about the only person
I like.

1173
01:10:27,250 --> 01:10:29,090
Because.
Maggie getting on my fucking

1174
01:10:29,130 --> 01:10:31,690
nerves.
Even she is.

1175
01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:35,170
I'm like.
Take the chip.

1176
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,160
And get some dip because now
yeah, this.

1177
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,280
Is a chip on your?
Shoulder is working.

1178
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:42,840
Mine.
It's getting old.

1179
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,560
It really is it.
Is.

1180
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,280
And you see they trying to make.
It like when she opens up just a

1181
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,960
little bit more each a little
bit more little story let me

1182
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:54,320
tell you, let me get God damn
open up then like you take one

1183
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,800
step forward and then you take 2
steps back and you write back

1184
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,720
like because.
You you was going to tell them

1185
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,280
about Jenny until you seen the
match?

1186
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:03,320
The.
The.

1187
01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:05,550
The beeswax.
The beeswax head.

1188
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:07,790
Why you?
Why you sitting there with his

1189
01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:09,910
matches in your pocket and the
dinosaur in?

1190
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:15,390
Your bag, right, girl?
If you'll sit the fuck down, I

1191
01:11:15,390 --> 01:11:19,670
know, I know.
But we got what, 2 two more

1192
01:11:19,670 --> 01:11:23,390
episodes for them to make this
make sense?

1193
01:11:23,630 --> 01:11:26,670
Or at least make Maggie make
sense because I still feel like

1194
01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:29,150
she is hiding something.
I mean at this point.

1195
01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:35,550
She's hiding too many little
things, and I just feel like he

1196
01:11:35,550 --> 01:11:40,350
is.
Yeah, yeah, probably like, yes,

1197
01:11:40,350 --> 01:11:43,350
She did decide to trade Negan in
for her son.

1198
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:45,830
I don't know if that was
something that she arranged or

1199
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:47,910
that was arranged or if it's
just something that was.

1200
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:52,950
She's like Okay.
I'll bring him in and maybe

1201
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:54,550
they'll give me my son back,
but.

1202
01:11:57,710 --> 01:11:59,790
I don't even know.
Because she is made.

1203
01:11:59,790 --> 01:12:05,050
When she talks about getting
Herschel back, she keeps saying

1204
01:12:05,050 --> 01:12:07,410
she keeps talking about killing
the Croat.

1205
01:12:07,810 --> 01:12:12,810
So at the same time, it doesn't
make sense that she would plan

1206
01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:16,250
to give Megan to the Croat.
Unless she plans to give Megan

1207
01:12:16,250 --> 01:12:18,530
to the Croat and then she's
planning on killing both of

1208
01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:20,170
them.
That might make some sense.

1209
01:12:20,170 --> 01:12:25,010
And maybe maybe that has a
little bit to do with how she's

1210
01:12:25,010 --> 01:12:27,370
feeling.
Because, yeah, you can hate

1211
01:12:27,370 --> 01:12:30,690
Megan for all the reasons you
hate him for, and you are very

1212
01:12:30,690 --> 01:12:34,160
well justified.
But at the same time, he did

1213
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,320
also do some good.
He saved your family when your

1214
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,960
ass wasn't there, when you was
traipsing off across the country

1215
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,720
with Georgia doing who knows
what in other communities.

1216
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:50,400
He saved them.
He saved Judith.

1217
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:57,920
He saved your son.
So yeah, I understand.

1218
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,000
You're you're kind of
conflicted.

1219
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,400
I need you to figure this shit
out because you're going to get,

1220
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:06,000
you're going to get more people
killed.

1221
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,280
Or you're going to do something
really stupid.

1222
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,640
You're going to end up with
Jenny dead and then me is really

1223
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,360
going to come after you.
Or you're going to end up with

1224
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:18,080
Herschel dead, and then you're
going to feel guilty because all

1225
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,120
of this happened because you
couldn't let shit go.

1226
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:25,880
I love Maggie.
I do.

1227
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,520
But she like you said, she's
getting my damn nerves right

1228
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:29,320
now.
I like Walking Dead.

1229
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:34,070
Maggie.
Yeah, yeah, this, this.

1230
01:13:34,110 --> 01:13:38,270
Dead city, Maggie.
She she got, Yeah, she.

1231
01:13:39,230 --> 01:13:41,790
Got too much?
She got too much going on.

1232
01:13:41,790 --> 01:13:45,150
She needs to figure it out.
She needs to figure it out.

1233
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:49,350
And then they need to go and
find somebody that's a goddamn

1234
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:51,790
therapist that can help all of
them.

1235
01:13:53,550 --> 01:13:57,830
Like if we if we got, if we got
a environmental scientist that

1236
01:13:57,830 --> 01:14:00,470
survived, we got a fucking
therapist somewhere.

1237
01:14:03,790 --> 01:14:12,350
So, OK, so very quickly let's
talk about San Diego Comic Con

1238
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:15,750
news real quick.
We did get a first teaser

1239
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:20,670
trailer for The Ricky Michonne
Show, which officially is titled

1240
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:23,750
The Walking Dead, The Ones Who
Live.

1241
01:14:25,230 --> 01:14:29,350
OK, the teaser trailer looks
good.

1242
01:14:30,670 --> 01:14:34,430
There was a shot where, you
know, it's like you have this

1243
01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:37,630
red haze and you see a
silhouette of Michonne and she's

1244
01:14:38,110 --> 01:14:41,030
walking in the background.
But then you see the silhouette

1245
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:43,070
of Rick and the way he's
walking.

1246
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:45,790
I was like, how is this
motherfucker sexy?

1247
01:14:45,870 --> 01:14:49,310
I don't even see his face.
All I'm looking at is this walk

1248
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:53,510
and I'm like, I am so fucking
ready for Rick Grimes to come

1249
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:55,590
back.
Like, can I just see him?

1250
01:14:56,740 --> 01:15:03,380
I just want to see him.
And he bowlegged, too.

1251
01:14:57,780 --> 01:15:00,620
Just walk into the screen.
Just just.

1252
01:15:07,460 --> 01:15:12,300
It's like, OK, but I need more.
And I understand there's a whole

1253
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,340
bunch of stuff going on after
Strike.

1254
01:15:14,340 --> 01:15:17,940
Like at at San Diego Comic Con,
none of the actors showed up

1255
01:15:17,940 --> 01:15:19,900
because of the Strike.
I I get it.

1256
01:15:19,900 --> 01:15:22,580
All this y'all y'all brought us
what y'all brought us and we are

1257
01:15:22,580 --> 01:15:26,360
thankful need a little bit more,
especially if we're not getting

1258
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,320
this series until 2024.
I need y'all to do a little bit

1259
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:34,600
more promo because the fact that
we are less than two months away

1260
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:39,480
from the Daryl Dixon show and we
just got a full length trailer a

1261
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:46,440
few days ago, that's a problem.
And we also got the 1st 10

1262
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:50,040
minutes of the Daryl Dixon show,
which we recorded a little

1263
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,560
segment before this recording
just to talk about it a little

1264
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,720
because I had a couple of things
I need to say.

1265
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,960
So we're going to post that is
just like a A1 shot episode.

1266
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:06,560
Let's see what else.
Dead City did get renewed for

1267
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,600
second season, so we do know
that.

1268
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,960
Other than that, I don't think
there was any other news.

1269
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,280
That came out or any that I
caught.

1270
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:19,760
If if there's some other stuff
that we haven't mentioned now,

1271
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,340
then we'll mention it when we
record for episode 5.

1272
01:16:24,340 --> 01:16:27,660
But you guys have any final
thoughts on episode 4?

1273
01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:31,300
Everybody gets surprised.
Everybody didn't get a prize.

1274
01:16:31,300 --> 01:16:32,740
At least not.
I'm gonna say everybody didn't.

1275
01:16:32,740 --> 01:16:34,220
Get a prize.
Who got a prize?

1276
01:16:37,460 --> 01:16:40,340
You alive, your.
Prize is living Yeah, the four.

1277
01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:45,700
People you have surprised?
Maggie.

1278
01:16:46,340 --> 01:16:48,420
Jenny.
Tomas.

1279
01:16:49,660 --> 01:16:53,760
Oh, girl, I'm just saying, am I
was like, yeah, we're going to

1280
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,720
do and the.
The sheriff, too.

1281
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:57,120
He got a prize.
He was.

1282
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:03,090
He lived.
And on that note, that's it for

1283
01:17:03,090 --> 01:17:06,330
our show.
You can find us online at

1284
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:10,370
www.phantomhybrid.com.
We are on social media on

1285
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:13,890
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1286
01:17:14,130 --> 01:17:17,090
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1287
01:17:17,090 --> 01:17:19,930
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1288
01:17:19,930 --> 01:17:22,450
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streaming platforms.

1289
01:17:22,690 --> 01:17:24,170
Thanks for listening.
We hope you join the

1290
01:17:24,170 --> 01:17:25,330
conversation next time.