The Walking Dead: Dead City Season 2 Episode 1 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #361

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Michelle and Casey.
So you know what that means.

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We are discussing some Walking
Dead stuff after an extended

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hiatus.
Hello Summer.

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Hello Summer.
Hello.

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I know.
So we are discussing Dead City

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season 2 episode 1 and I think
Michelle and I started the

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conversation without you.
Casey, before we start a

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recording, Michelle, what was
the first thing you said you

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were asking about?
Who Certain?

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I was just asked who certain
characters was because while

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watching I missed their names so
I need to make I had their names

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for.
Like that person got to die.

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Yeah, I just don't, I don't like
her attitude.

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OK, so let's let's jump into it.
We pick up in the show about a

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year after the events from the
season 1 finale, at least going

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by what Negan says.
Negan is here, he's locked up,

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been locked up, and apparently
it's because the DOMA wants him

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to do some things and he's
refusing to do it.

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Basically they're trying to turn
him back into the old *** He's

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like, no, so he's been locked
up.

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We're going to come back to that
'cause I got some things to say

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about that.
I don't know where, where do we

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want to start?
Do we want to start with the

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kind of sort of good stuff first
or do you, we want to just, you

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know.
What I want to talk about, I'm

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sorry.
Come on, come on, come on.

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Let's go.
The kids get on my nerves

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already.
They starting off.

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I'm like.
Yeah.

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Herschel don't get over whatever
he hold known to that bad.

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Well, you know what?
OK, so I'm gonna say this about.

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Herschel, he need a whooping.
I don't know.

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No, over his Denny.
Is the one that needs the

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whooping.
Yes he does.

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He needs a beat down.
Jenny needs a whooping.

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But before we get into her, let
me go back to Herschel because

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when we see them at the
beginning of the episode, you

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see that Herschel and Maggie,
they seem to be on better terms

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that, you know, it seems like
they've kind of, you know,

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crossed that bridge and they're
kind of whatever, whatever.

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And he doesn't start getting
funky until she sees Negan's hat

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in the closet and she picks it
up and then you can kind of see

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his attitude change.
And then she kind of she kind of

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turns it around with that whole
story about the fireflies and

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and the flashlight.
So I think if you think about

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Herschel's conversation with her
in the last season after he got

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rescued, he told her that it
seems like she was so obsessed

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with Megan that she didn't
really see him.

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And so I'm assuming once Megan
got, you know, they left him in

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New York, they came back, that
that little threat is not out

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there.
And I, I'm not saying that Megan

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is a threat, but that reminder
is not just walking around free

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like, you know, where he is.
You know that he is not anywhere

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near you.
So she has a chance to kind of

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relax and in that she can pay
more attention to her son 'cause

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she's not worried about whether
or not she's gonna see him

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around every corner.
So I kind of sort of get his

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irritation because when she
volunteers to go to New York,

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well, volunteered I guess, and
all of this stuff, he's like,

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why does it have to be you?
Why does it always have to be

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you?
And I get Maggie's, you know,

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her point of view, She's trying
to make it so nobody else has to

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go.
But I, I can understand from him

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too.
I understand, I understand.

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So I wasn't too bothered by
Herschel's attitude because he

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was like, OK, I, I'm, I'm just
not getting my mom back the way

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I need her.
And now he, she goes traipsing

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off to New York again, where
Negan just happens to be.

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And even though it's not
necessarily connected to him,

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especially, he's still a child.
He's still probably 1415 in

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this.
It probably feels that way.

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I get it.
I don't.

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I don't fault him.
Jenny, on the other hand, I'm so

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here.
You know what she is ungrateful.

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Very much so ungrateful.
Just entitled.

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Just bad.
Bad.

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Well, all the audacity that her
little 13 year old self can't

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handle how old she is.
Yeah, can handle because you

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don't see when somebody trying
to make sure you're OK.

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You don't see what somebody just
baby if if if she is willing to

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take the sacrifice for you so
you don't have to What?

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What's your point?
He can already told you he

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killed his your daddy.
You think he lied?

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I, I, I I still think he lied
about that but.

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I do think he lied, but.
Yeah, you know.

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What I'm saying as as a 13 year
old, you hear this man has

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killed your daddy and that's the
reason he's letting you follow

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him around.
But now he he he to release you.

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He let you know what happened.
And.

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You won't go back to kill him.
Like what?

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And then the person that is
taking care of you, you mad at

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her because he's not there
anymore, girl.

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But you don't get out of
yourself.

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That part but I get I the part
that I I understand, I get Jenny

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didn't meet savior Nick Negan,
so she don't know the whole back

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story like with Maggie and the
things.

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So that part I get.
But once you realize that no

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matter what has happened between
them two, she's trying to make

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sure you're OK.
I told him I would take care of

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you.
I told him I would make sure

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you're alright.
Sir, but we already know

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teenagers just think about
themselves.

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And I guess it's not gonna be a
pocket.

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It don't change, no different.
If it doesn't, they don't know

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how to make any connections.
It's all about them and their

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feelings.
And right now, right now,

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'cause.
When I say she was getting on my

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nerves when they when they had
the little quote UN quote

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assessment and Maggie was like,
no, you're not going in there.

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Don't make me tell you again.
And then she rushes in there

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anyway and then Maggie still has
to save your ass.

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Like what did you just
accomplish?

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What did we?
Get You could have got Maggie

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killed because of what you did.
You're OK.

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Because obviously these New
Babylon people don't give a fuck

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about you.
They don't.

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They don't.
Give a fuck about the kids, long

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as they can fight.
Why is like we didn't say kids

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So what?
Kids can't fight and skip.

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And that's why I say that she
needs to be beaten, both of

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them.
Do both of those leaders in the

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new Babylon because when I say
from the moment Charlie Bird

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opened her mouth I was like oh I
ain't gonna like this bitch and

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then the other one OK so we
already OK I'm.

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Sorry, pause.
Who is Charlie Bird?

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Which?
One is she Charlie Bird is the

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She's the leader.
She's the one with the cowboy

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hat, The black lady.
The orange is the new black.

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You know Casey didn't watch
that.

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I did watch Orange is the New
Black.

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Yeah.
I only watched two seasons of

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it.
I watched it, yeah.

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I mean, yeah, she's the main,
you know that.

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She was one of the main ladies.
OK, that's Charlie.

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She's the one that's in charge.
And then the other black lady,

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the light skin with the short
hair.

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What she said, Captain.
I can't remember her, her last

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name, but she avenged to.
I don't like her either.

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I don't like her either.
But you know what we knew?

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Knew Babylon was trashed from
the very first episode of the

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first season when they did what
they did to Michelle Hurd's

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character.
We knew they were garbage.

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Yeah, We knew they were garbage.
We know they were garbage.

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When Parley was talking about
the punishment they did for that

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dude.
What what, what was it?

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They split him down the middle
with a saw.

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We knew they were garbage.
So the way that they're coming

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in and they're like, they're
first of all, they're dragging

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somebody behind a car so that
they can publicly execute him.

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And what was his crime?
He didn't.

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He didn't want to go into the
Army, but you have that and then

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you have the whole thing.
Oh yeah, we're part of New

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Babylon.
You guys signed an agreement and

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Maggie was like, y'all forced us
to.

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And we, we and our charter, we
can conscript you.

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As I said, it's the same thing.
We've we've had this discussion

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before.
When the world falls apart, why

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the fuck are y'all going back to
the same rules, to the same

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systems of aggression and
oppression that made the world

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fucked up in the 1st place?
I, I just don't understand.

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And yes I know I'm cussing a
lot.

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I said I was going to try and
stop cursing, but it ain't going

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to be in this episode, I can
guarantee when I say when they

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started saying all of this stuff
and then Pearly comes to talk to

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Maggie.
First of all, Pearly, I still

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don't like him.
I don't like him even more now

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because now you got yourself a
position because you don't lied

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about what you did to me again.
And then you want to come and

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tell Maggie, Oh yeah, I'm
conscripting you 'cause I think

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you'll be a asset.
What?

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What if it wasn't for this woman
and Megan you to be dead?

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You will be Walker food.
And then my whole thought was

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what's going to happen when they
get to New York and see me

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again?
Right, but they're going to, of

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course they're going to is
because which you're going to.

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The the role that they have
Negan plan, of course.

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They're going to absolutely,
1000% going to.

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And then what?
What?

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What, what he going to say then?
Oh, we'll see.

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What happened was yeah, no,
they're gonna kill him.

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He gonna be dragged behind a God
damn carriage.

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Right?
Right.

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But, you know, just the one
thing I don't get, like I get

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that is the world of The Walking
Dead.

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I get it.
But the one thing that I don't

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get it, I just don't understand
is why do you have to do

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everything with hostility?
Because the way that they're

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making the methane, kind of even
going back to fear the way that

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they're making the gas, that
they were making gas same way

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they're making this methane.
Why don't you just ask for help?

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Show us how to do it like.
They're not hurting anybody.

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Walkers are everywhere.
That is correct like.

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You know, I can't, you know,
kind of what Alexandria did when

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they were trying to help the
other community.

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Let us help you rather than us
in fighting because fighting we

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just going to lose people.
People are a resource that we

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about to lose because we want to
start a war and try to take

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something where you could just
come over here and hey, can you

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show me how to do this?
Right, because if you take the

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methane somewhere else.
If you take the methane from

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them, who going to lift those
bodies into that tank 'cause I'm

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going to tell you now I ain't.
And and enough money in the

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world and enough security in the
world to make me do what they

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were doing at the beginning of
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Absolutely not.
But the other thing is, here we

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go again.
We saw it with like the

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governor, you see it with all
the other villains we've had,

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how you all call yourself an
army and go take what somebody

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else developed.
Like you said, ask for help,

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show us how to do this.
But you can't do that because

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y'all are in the mainland.
Y'all, y'all are not cut off.

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So y'all don't have the access
to the walkers like that unless

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you go follow a herd.
And I mean, we're 20 years in

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now.
The herds are few and far

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between.
So Manhattan is perfect for you.

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Got a million, maybe 2 million
souls on that island.

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Guess what we we can share, we
can do some stuff.

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Oh y'all growing corn?
Y'all growing food.

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Well, not growing it too much
because of the because the, the

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Moss, but y'all growing fresh
food.

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We have gas.
Let's help each other.

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Why?
Why does it have to be?

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And, and that's the one thing I
hate because people always ask

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why like how can society fall
because of shit like that?

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Because when things get rough,
y'all don't know to sit here and

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be like oh let's work together
to kind of build things back up.

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You talking all this talk about
wanting to bring Manhattan back,

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but the way you want to do it is
you want to go take it from

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somebody else.
What is what is New Babylon go

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do with these million walkers
and then.

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This is my other thought.
Once you take it over, you got

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rid of the people who know how
to run it.

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What?
What do you do?

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What did you win right when you
could have just asked for

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fucking help, right?
But we logical clearly.

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Clearly, I mean, maybe that is
why lose some brain cells if a

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zombie apocalypse happened and
you know, but again, 20 years

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down the road, maybe they're
just not thinking like they do

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just like we mess with Daryl
about you don't know they're

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knock on a building like you got
so LAX.

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But he was on vacation.
OK, We gonna leave him alone

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about this.
But I mean it, it's the same

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thing like.
But that is why my name is why?

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I never changed my name but.
It's why.

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Yes, right.
Because I know why.

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Because we had to come stupid.
No, let's just dig a little

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deeper.
We had to come up with a Season

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2.
And I get that.

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So, you know, get that, which
now you wrote it in a way that

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that is kind of stupid because
you, you, you should just sit a

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spy in to learn how to do it.
Yeah, instead of trying to take

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over.
And get your people here.

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That's not human nature.
Because why am I going to sit

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here and work hard to learn how
to do when I can just take what

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you have that I mean, it's
human.

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But that is why we also have
spies.

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You spies.
We have spies, that's how.

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They found out about Annie and
Joshua which.

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So use use the spies, right?
Because you're not capable of

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running New York City.
So let's just come on.

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Right.
Come on all these people is why

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the motivation is why the only
people that make sense are the

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kids 'cause they acting dumb but
they keep.

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What they supposed to do as
teenagers?

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Right, right, right.
Right.

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And I mean, OK, I will say this.
I I don't have a problem with

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the things that Maggie did in
this episode because Maggie was

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like, OK, look, I'm not about to
let you take my people because

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they already don't have a lot
there.

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So I get it.
She's in protector mode.

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You know, when Negan had the
conversation with the guy, his

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jail cell, when he had the
conversation with the Croat, and

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the Croat was like, oh, so
you're not going to cooperate?

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We can go get your little
friend.

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He was like, yeah, I want to see
you try.

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Did you hear him?
He had he had mad respect for

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Maggie.
He was like, yeah, you go and

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try and touch that boy.
He was like, and she will tear

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your throat out with her teeth
right after she guts you with

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her knife.
I said he ain't never lied.

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Did you see what she did to to
shift in the person?

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Right, right.
So I'm OK with Maggie this

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episode.
Yeah, I didn't have a problem

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with Maggie the whole, OK,
here's my other question I have.

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Why is the diamond in charge?
What what the what does she

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offer that makes it so that
Negan didn't run Lucille upside

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her head the moment he had the
chance?

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Because when you're bringing him
to the table and you're talking

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about these other groups and how
you want to try to, you know,

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form an alliance and you're
like, my methods are no longer

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working.
They're not responding to me.

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Well, bitch, why are you in
charge?

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Are you in?
Charge.

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That's why she went to go find
Negan, 'cause she knew she

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wasn't.
She was losing control, that

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was.
Negan been sitting in a jail

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cell chilling eating real
cockroaches while while she been

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doing that y'all know those
those real cockroaches he was

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eating yes but so I'm like I I'm
so confused by this whole power

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dynamic because why you are old
lady and granted maybe you got

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some skills maybe you can throw
hands maybe I I just I don't I

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don't.
Get it?

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I don't either.
And the minute *** had Lucille 2

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point O in his hand.
And the minute he saw what

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Lucille 2 point O could do,
y'all wanna see the old ***

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Right, 'cause at this point he,
he gonna see the levels of

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leadership and be like, OK, this
is easy, right?

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Right.
I don't even have to go back to

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my, my old self really.
I could just do it 'cause.

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You kinda dumb.
You all are kinda dumb.

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Y'all are not used to dealing
with somebody on Nigga's level,

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which is which is crazy because
y'all got all these different

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little games.
Y'all got the black chicks with

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the the you?
Got that right bitch with the.

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Good looking, all mysterious but
y'all let Negan come into this

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church with his corny little
monologue and I was thinking I

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was like he's probably being
corny on purpose because he

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don't want to be there.
The only reason why Negan is

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there is y'all brought Annie and
Joshua into and I got a problem

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with that potentially because
y'all not going to keep throwing

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around this idea of wife and
child if y'all not going to show

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it to us.
But that is true.

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Says they on the way.
So we going to see they on the

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way.
That's what the Dhamma said.

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She said now that they're on
their way, we I thought you

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might want to get prepared.
That's when he looked up at her

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and said, oh, they don't.
But I just I just don't believe

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that they on their way.
But that's OK.

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We finna see.
I I don't know if she would

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bluff something like that,
because again, this is Negan

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we're talking about gang of shit
like that in front of him and

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then expect him to be like, oh,
I was just kidding.

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Oh, were you?
No, Yeah, no, no.

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I think they probably, Yeah, I
think they.

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Probably, but then we'll get
some of our questions answered

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from YEAH last season of how we
felt about him leaving his

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family.
Yeah, but I mean and, and then

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also I mean and, and we don't
know he could have tried to go

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after them because from what the
Dhamma tells us, she says, when

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we were looking for you, we
heard tale of a woman and child,

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which I'm like, it's a whole
bunch of women and children

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like.
Yeah, but she has a strong

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personality, so she's probably
doing stuff that makes her

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known.
That's the problem.

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She What did she say?
She said the train car that they

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were on was supposed to go to
Missouri, but it got the road

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got washed out from flooding.
So she ended up in Tennessee.

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I'm like, oh, she not too far
from she, not too far from

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Alexandria.
And you know the other folks,

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but it's possible.
Well, this is my next question.

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This is my next question because
ultimately everyone knows how I

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feel about this show.
Why did Maggie once they came

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back and she got her?
So why didn't they just go to

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the Commonwealth and go visit
the other family members?

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I mean, maybe a stupid question,
I may have missed something.

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Yeah.
And and you know what, maybe

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they did and we just, I mean,
like I said it, we're talking

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about a year later.
There could have been some stuff

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that happened in there.
And why you just you, you, you

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could have went to the
Commonwealth.

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I don't think she would do that
because these people look at

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Maggie as a leader and I don't
think she would abandoned them.

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Like, yeah, she might go to
visit, but you have to think

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about it.
They, they're obviously

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struggling right now because the
they.

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Are she could have took them
with her migrated.

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I don't know if she would do
that, especially because I, I

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don't know.
I know I think from Madison she

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just needed a fresh start
because she didn't have a, she

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didn't have a good experience in
the Commonwealth either.

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So I think maybe the bricks is
something new is different and

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yes, her people aren't there,
but that might also be part of

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the appeal because sometimes you
can love your family with

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everything you have, but
sometimes you can't be around

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your family.
Sometimes you just need to do

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things on your own.
Well, she's going to miss when

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Rick comes back.
That's OK.

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No, we will have a conversation
another time.

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Look, all right.
But again, that's a but again,

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until season 3.
But this is again renewed for

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they did get renewed for season.
Three dead city, yes.

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It's the IRO, do it again.
They did get renewed for Season

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3.
Oh my gosh.

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Or maybe we'll have some good
stuff to talk about.

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Right now I just want to get all
the complaining out the way

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'cause I don't want to complain
throughout.

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The yeah.
And I'm I'm, I'm not.

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This is just my least favorite.
Yeah, yeah, so far it's like,

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and I'm not saying it's a bad
episode, but people are making

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dumb decisions and people are
doing stupid things.

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So I'm just kind of like, what?
How are you guys all alive at

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this point except?
The my thought is it seemed

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like, and this is my
perspective, you can't go from

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the main show where we have
learned the tips and tricks and

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basically how to survive and you
learn how to survive for 11

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years, 12 years almost, or how
much every time they spend on

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that show.
You've learned for 12 years to

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protect yourself, protect your
family.

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When you in the woods, when you
in the community, when you hear,

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when you there, when you hear we
there, How do you then leave

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this grand community that has
everything together to go

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someplace else and you forget
everything you learned?

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Cause how?
Cause how?

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Yeah, 'cause even after Maggie
left the Commonwealth, the

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Commonwealth had now been
revamped and this is where it

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is.
And that's when Maggie decides

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she want to leave and do
whatever.

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That's fine.
At that point, we understand why

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you didn't take your home from
the Commonwealth in the

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beginning, cause Lance was
feisty and we knew what that

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was.
But now that he's gone and

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Pamela's in jail, Commonwealth
is not run by your friends like

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Michelle said.
Why wouldn't you just go there?

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It's not like that bad blood.
It takes two people with you.

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Y'all don't have to store grain
in the God damn silo and and and

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scavenge and still do all of
these things when there's a

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community.
Cause how many people there?

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10,000 people.
Yeah, have a community of 10,000

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people.
But you know what?

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It could also be one, she
doesn't want to be around that

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many people, especially if all
the groups that she's been with

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since she left the first time
have been smaller groups.

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Maybe she doesn't want to be
around all those people.

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But also too, this goes back to
what Rick said in season what,

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4-5?
Maggie's a leader, Maggie's not

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a follower.
And maybe she needed to be

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somewhere where she could lead
and feel like that because she's

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tried the following thing.
It didn't always work out for

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her.
And the last time she did that

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was with Rick and Michonne and
her supposedly all being in

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charge.
And then Rick and Michonne

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decided to let Negan live.
So maybe she was like, you know

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what, let me strike out on my
own.

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I'm sure there's still some
communication, but like I said,

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sometimes you just can't be
around your family.

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And then if it also could be,
maybe she was trying to shield

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Herschel from certain things
because yes, it might be good

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for Herschel to grow with
familiarity, but it might also

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be a little bit of a burden.
Like if everyone walks around,

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oh, you look just like your dad.
Oh, this is your dad this, your

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dad that.
And it's kind of like he may not

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have an identity of his own
because he's always going to be

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looked at as Glenn's son.
So maybe she was trying to

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protect him from that too.
I'm just saying 'cause I no.

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Because no, But that's some
bullshit, because we already

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know that every time she fucking
look at his Herschel's ass, all

449
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,280
she sees is fucking Glenn.
Yeah.

450
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,520
Her, yes, and her and the thing
and the thing, right.

451
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,960
But that's her.
But when you got several hundred

452
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,600
other people who may be saying
the same thing, which I know

453
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,280
it's not that many cause not
that many knew Glenn, But but if

454
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,800
you got a group of 20 or 30 who
look at you in a certain way and

455
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,760
they're reminded of your dad in
a certain way, but it's like

456
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,120
they want to say it and keep his
memory alive, but they also

457
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,080
don't want you to feel that
burn.

458
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:50,840
Like I have a friend who passed
away and he had sons that looked

459
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,680
exactly like him and they were
forever being told, Oh, you look

460
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,880
just like your dad.
You sound just like your dad.

461
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,960
Whatever.
And one of the, one of the guy,

462
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,280
you know, one of the kids went
and told his mom.

463
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,000
He was like, you know, I love my
dad, but I feel like I'm an

464
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,680
extension of him and not my own
person.

465
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,760
Like, when people look at me,
they don't see me.

466
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,480
They see him.
So, I mean, and as Anthony would

467
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,880
say, maybe I'm giving the
writers too much, too much

468
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,800
credit, but I can just say that
could be part of her motivation.

469
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,760
She could be like, OK, I need to
kind of maybe distance my my

470
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,880
child from this.
Then here it is.

471
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,080
You bump into Negan.
You have to go through all that.

472
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,640
And now Negan is locked away in
New York.

473
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,960
And now you can kind of be like,
OK, you know what?

474
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,600
Everything about that old life
is kind of put to the side.

475
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:45,640
Maybe I can breathe and try to
see who I am instead of being

476
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,160
the widow, instead of being
Herschel's daughter, Beth's

477
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,840
sister, Glenn's wife.
You.

478
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,440
You get what I'm saying?
That that could be part of the

479
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,000
reason why she's not with
anybody right now.

480
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,760
And I want them to actually put
that in.

481
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,080
Yeah.
In it, because if not, it just

482
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,680
looks like you're making it so
so we can have this story.

483
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:14,800
Yeah, for like you left us for
Frankie and we didn't hear from

484
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,800
you for six years and we don't,
we still don't know exactly what

485
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,920
you did while you were gone.
Because for me, them showing up

486
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,560
to the bricks.
Did y'all go to the

487
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,280
Commonwealth?
Yeah, because we know.

488
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,320
We know there are other
communities.

489
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,920
They're not going one, they're
not going to the Commonwealth, I

490
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,320
can tell you that much.
I mean, Commonwealth is too it.

491
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,600
It is.
It's too Far East.

492
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,480
I mean too too far West for
them.

493
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,520
And like you said, the
Commonwealth has 10,000 strong.

494
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,640
The Commonwealth has tanks
depending on where Dead City

495
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,840
falls in the timeline.
If Rick and Michelle have

496
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,520
returned back, The Commonwealth
also has the newly revamped CRM,

497
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,440
you know, bringing in supplies
with the helicopters.

498
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,000
New new Babylon don't want any
of that.

499
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,720
They don't want any of that.
And if they got spies telling

500
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,520
them what's going on, like you
got people telling you about

501
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,160
what's going on in Manhattan,
which I'm surprised none of your

502
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,880
people told you.
Oh, yeah, there is a Negan

503
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,160
there.
But anyway, if, if you got ways

504
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,440
to find out about people and
about things, I'm sure they've

505
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,640
sent scouts out.
I'm sure they've probably heard

506
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:35,400
of the Commonwealth, but also
the Commonwealth has allies

507
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,400
somewhere because that train
wasn't going nowhere.

508
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,520
We still don't know what was
what that train was about.

509
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,520
Hell, maybe, maybe the
Commonwealth was in league with

510
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,600
New Babylon, but I don't I don't
think it would be that way

511
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,880
because the Commonwealth, even
though they did use a lot of

512
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,360
like the old rules and the old
ways, they weren't necessarily

513
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,560
cruel in that manner the way
that New Babylon is.

514
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,040
All these people in New Babylon,
except for Pearly, I will give

515
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,840
him that.
All these people with the new

516
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,840
Babylon law enforcement, they
seem like they're getting a kick

517
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,840
out of hanging people in front
of, you know, men, women and

518
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:22,320
children and, you know, sending
people off to go run a fool's

519
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,200
errand to Manhattan because you
want to steal somebody's

520
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,320
methane.
They just, they seem like they

521
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,880
are enjoying this cruel streak a
little too much, especially

522
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,920
those two chicks in charge.
That's why I was like, them

523
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:40,800
bitches got to die.
And I I just, I know they felt

524
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:46,920
some kind of way when Pearly
suggested Maggie, you know, to

525
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,200
be on the thing.
And he was like, what was it

526
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,400
that she asked him?
She said is this one woman

527
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,680
really worth 20 million?
Was like, yeah I think she is

528
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,600
like, oh y'all obviously don't
know.

529
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,160
And so when they did that little
test and Maggie did show OK, you

530
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,440
know what?
Yeah I'm over here by myself but

531
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,880
I ain't forgot what I was
taught.

532
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,640
I was like these two women right
here, y'all can't hold a candle

533
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,040
to Maggie because y'all doing
your threatening with you know

534
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,120
vehicles and guns and and trying
to be all big and bad.

535
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,960
Maggie got a a stick and a
pissed off attitude and she

536
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,280
didn't took out all these
walkers in the corral and saved

537
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Jenny and she looking at y'all
like what?

538
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,440
And what?
Because she thought she was

539
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,320
going to fight people.
And the girl was like, Oh no,

540
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,800
he's in Manhattan.
You're not going to be fighting.

541
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,000
People looked around.
She looked at her like, is this

542
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,840
it?
Right.

543
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,240
There's no here work 20 people.
We know she worked 20 people,

544
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,680
right?
But I, I don't know, like I said

545
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,920
that these new Babylon people,
they, they make my ass itch.

546
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,280
And I'm really like, I, I'm
gonna need, I'm gonna need

547
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,080
somebody to die or I'm gonna
need them to like really get a

548
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,840
ass whooping because I'm, I'm
not feeling the, I'm not feeling

549
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,600
these females at all.
I'm not feel, I'm not feeling

550
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:27,320
pearly, pearly with his, with
his trying to, I don't know.

551
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,720
He's trying to be the middle
man.

552
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,560
He's trying to please everyone.
He's trying to make it sound

553
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,960
like.
He's trying to get his ass

554
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,240
caught.
Up, huh?

555
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,080
He.
Tried not to get his ass caught

556
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,200
up.
And I get that.

557
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,520
But you look weak, my brother.
You look weak.

558
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,120
And then you got dime store
Milton over here trying to

559
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,720
school people about what New
York used to be.

560
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,040
You weren't even born or you
were probably a child when all

561
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,920
this happened.
Herschel's looking at him like

562
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,920
he's like, oh, So what you think
is funny?

563
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:03,200
I'm sorry, I think I know.
I I've read through the

564
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,040
textbooks and blah blah blah.
Herschel was like, I've been

565
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,520
there.
He right whoops, dime store

566
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:16,440
Milton, I'm a your name.
I I I was just like, when he

567
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,280
started doing the writing and
then he stopped.

568
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,320
New York da, da, da, da, da.
I was like, Oh my God, it's

569
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,480
Milton again.
It's Milton.

570
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,560
But Milton wasn't as irritating
because Milton wasn't trying to.

571
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,240
He wasn't trying to show off
that he was the egghead of the

572
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,240
bunch.
He was just like, OK, yeah, I

573
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,360
know this and OK, yeah, we can
do this.

574
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,400
And you know, he had a little
bit of humbleness about him,

575
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,520
This dude, like I said, I'm not
feeling none of these new

576
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,400
Babylonian people, men, I don't
like them.

577
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,600
And then you coming in, like I
said, you try, you're trying to

578
00:33:53,640 --> 00:34:00,560
be I, I don't know, you trying
to be law and order in the worst

579
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,800
way, in the worst way.
And then you're trying to go

580
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,880
claim an island that most of
y'all ain't been on, at least

581
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,639
not since the the dead started
rising.

582
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:20,719
And then you're gonna try to
take the methane that the Croat

583
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,600
sat here, figured out how to do,
figured out how to make the

584
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,880
things went to go scabbage the
the equipment and the materials

585
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,840
to do.
And I love that they showed us

586
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,159
exactly how he's doing it at the
beginning, because we saw a

587
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,600
little bit of it in the last
season, but this one was a

588
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,120
little bit more detailed.
I mean, that little bit of gas

589
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:51,920
lit up all of Times Square.
So I'm like the New Babylonians.

590
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,720
I get that they think they ain't
a shit, but now that the Dhamma

591
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:02,640
has Negan back in charge and
Negan is just warming up, I,

592
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,000
I'm, I'm kind of ready for that
fight to happen.

593
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,680
And then of course they're going
to have Maggie.

594
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,160
So, you know, at some point
Maggie and Megan are going to

595
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,200
come across each other, which
means Pearly and Megan are going

596
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,760
to come across each other, which
means the other two are going to

597
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,280
see Megan and be like, so you
said you killed him.

598
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,440
He lives very much alive walking
around.

599
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,400
I I don't like the New
Babylonians.

600
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,280
I didn't like I didn't like them
last season and we only saw a

601
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,320
little bit of them.
I don't like them in this first

602
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,600
episode.
I can tell these are going to be

603
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,560
the people that I'm like, OK,
can y'all just kill them and

604
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,080
we'd be done with it just.
So it's not going to be so it's

605
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:51,120
knowing we're going to really
care about who lives or dies.

606
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,320
I care about Mia, I do care
about Maggie, but I need Maggie

607
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,600
to have a little attitude.
But they're not going anywhere.

608
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,920
We know that part.
So I'm saying everywhere else

609
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,240
around them, it's almost like
Season 1.

610
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,080
I don't.
Want to see Herschel die?

611
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,800
I don't think that's Maggie's
reading.

612
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,120
If Herschel dies, Maggie would
lay in the field of walkers and

613
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,480
get eaten.
I don't I don't see that like

614
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,160
her whole purpose is making sure
this.

615
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,760
Little boy.
So he he's going to, he's going

616
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,000
to survive that.
He gonna survive.

617
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,200
Yeah, you're right.
Then there's really, there's

618
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,200
really nobody.
I think the kids are safe.

619
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,760
I think the kids are safe.
Everybody who came.

620
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,120
In out of Jenna keep doing the
shit that she's.

621
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Doing give a good whooping, I
think everybody who came in with

622
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,840
that whole entourage gonna die.
I mean, they need, we don't.

623
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,720
Even remember your name, Yeah.
They need to.

624
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,080
I just, yeah, they got on my
nerves so bad this episode.

625
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,800
I said, God, we don't have to do
this five more times with these.

626
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,600
People.
And then I googled how to make

627
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:08,200
methane from scratch.
I mean, I'm sure there's still

628
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,760
libraries.
I'm sure they they literally

629
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,480
could make their own methane.
There's libraries that can teach

630
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,520
you how to do this because I
know y'all didn't.

631
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,280
I mean I'm sure y'all probably
burned some of the books but I

632
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,640
mean come on for real.
Again, a good spy could go in

633
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,040
there and get the information
out.

634
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,840
And see what they doing.
That's it.

635
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:37,120
Like see how the operation is
from collecting to machinery to

636
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,120
output.
Yeah.

637
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:45,640
So and that's much easier 'cause
if anything.

638
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,280
All your people, they're in New
Babylon.

639
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,760
However many people y'all have,
'cause I don't think they've

640
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,680
given us a number.
You don't have one engineer in

641
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,320
that whole group.
You don't have one scientist.

642
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,640
You don't have one.
Which is, which is

643
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,600
understandable.
You may not, may you know, have

644
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,280
the smart people in your CRM had
all the sciences, Yeah.

645
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,400
So, you know, smart people may
not be in.

646
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,200
Your group, but even then going
back to world beyond all them

647
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,480
scientists, you don't think
somebody at some point figured

648
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,560
out how to make methane to make
'cause they had labs and and all

649
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,240
this brand equipment?
I mean, that was part of the

650
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:30,680
CRM, so yes, I'm pretty sure
they did.

651
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,680
And they did not have to take
over someone else's area to do

652
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,560
that.
Right.

653
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,160
'Cause hell, even even
Alexandria figured out the solar

654
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,880
panels.
Yeah, yeah.

655
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,440
So they they have look, they
don't have to take over,

656
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,320
Michelle.
They just decided when folks

657
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,360
weren't doing what they supposed
to do, they just don't wipe them

658
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,520
all out.
Correct, correct.

659
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,280
I'm just I'm just saying now
like you could maybe waste a

660
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,680
couple of your people who again,
it's a spy get caught, but you

661
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,000
can get that information and go
find the location you want to

662
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,080
have right and turn power on,
right.

663
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,000
I want to turn power on in in
New York City.

664
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,720
I would like to find some land
in Virginia and we can all have

665
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:22,440
our own homes and a
neighborhood, a general store.

666
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,400
Conscription.
If people don't want to join

667
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,200
your alliance, if people don't
want to join New Babylon, if

668
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,840
people don't want to be in your
army, just go and fend for

669
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,600
themselves.
Correct that.

670
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,640
There's literally a whole world
out there that's that's right

671
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,240
for the taking.
'Cause people survive to other

672
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:44,600
places.
Right.

673
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,560
And then some of them may not
survive, and that's OK.

674
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,280
They don't have to be a part of
my group.

675
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,320
That part could what a general
bill say they would just go walk

676
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,720
across the God damn country and
wipe out all these towns.

677
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,320
So you know, it's communities
everywhere, right?

678
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,280
They may be few and far between,
but they everywhere.

679
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,720
Hell, Rick and Michelle fall
people at Yellowstone.

680
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,400
So like, come on.
Right.

681
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,720
You know what I'm saying?
It's literally people

682
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,480
everywhere.
So what are y'all talking about?

683
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,240
It's better to build with these
people and be like, oh, if we do

684
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,120
this together we have a
community.

685
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,080
Then what?
What Jesus say you're we're

686
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,760
about to get a whole lot bigger,
let the world get bigger.

687
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,920
Y'all trying to wipe out people
that you cannot wipe out.

688
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,080
Especially if there were 5
million people in New York City

689
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,600
alone.
You think everybody died?

690
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:35,680
No.
Right.

691
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,840
There are survivors and you
think they just going to let you

692
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,840
come over there and take what
they got?

693
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:48,520
No, especially since you're not
dealing with just one group,

694
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,560
you're dealing with several
groups.

695
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,400
So one group might kind of let
you slide.

696
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,880
The other group is going to be
like, oh we out for blood, Y'all

697
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,920
don't know what y'all are
dealing with over there.

698
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,520
That part but you go but you
don't try to take it.

699
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,080
You think it's OK?
You go Come on up.

700
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,240
What do you say?
You walk over.

701
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,360
You gonna live back?
Come.

702
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,160
On all I'm saying is this, when
there are two groups of people

703
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,840
in the episode and I'm looking
at the Croat like, you know

704
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,320
what, he don't really seem all
that bad, there's a problem.

705
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,600
That is, that is true.
That is true.

706
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,200
Croat is not trying to go
outside of Manhattan to bother

707
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,160
nobody.
He's like, Oh no, we can do

708
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,920
everything we need to do right
here.

709
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,560
Have.
All the dead walkers I need.

710
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,840
If anybody comes over here, I
mean, hey, we might kill him,

711
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,440
but I mean.
Circle of life illogical.

712
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,800
He's logical.
We just had to outsource some

713
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,640
leadership skills.
We needed someone to, you know,

714
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,720
give us a, give us a
professional development on

715
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,520
leadership skills.
Right.

716
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,280
But outside of that, he ain't,
he ain't lying.

717
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,800
That's true.
He's not.

718
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,760
They they needed some
organization so he found someone

719
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,320
he felt would help with that
organization.

720
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,920
So.
So I mean he doing what in his

721
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,080
mind makes sense to him, because
remember even when the Croat

722
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,400
kill old girl, he didn't think
he did anything wrong.

723
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,040
So in his mind what are you
talking about?

724
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,160
Because he's.
Adjusting.

725
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,120
He's adjusting for what this new
world should be.

726
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,960
And that was something he said
in this episode that I really

727
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,600
started to think about because
he was like, you know, the old

728
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,160
world was broken.
It's dead.

729
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,960
We can create a new world and
honestly that doesn't sound like

730
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,000
a bad idea, especially if y'all
are trying to bring the old

731
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,240
world back by doing the same
shit.

732
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,280
But they have to make a new
world.

733
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,600
The world has literally changed,
but that's the problem with New

734
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:55,800
Babylonians, 'cause even if you
tried to make the Old World

735
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,640
again, there are still
adjustments and things that you

736
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,440
could never do back in the old
World because of what you have

737
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,280
going on right now, right?
So there it will never go back.

738
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,160
You may put, you know, pull
pieces here and there, but it'll

739
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,600
never go back to the way that it
was.

740
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,080
And the problem is they keep
trying to put it back the way it

741
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,240
was.
Excuse me, how do you think

742
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,760
y'all got here?
Thank you.

743
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,560
Just yeah, I just like I said,
new Babylon, new Babylon.

744
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,840
I just when I'm sitting here
rooting for the Croat that

745
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,200
there's a problem with your
group, the I mean, look.

746
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,120
'Cause we root for the bad guys,
but.

747
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,720
Then when you, when you sit here
and you look at that, OK, yes,

748
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,480
I'm, I'm gonna play devil's
advocate.

749
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:47,440
But are they Croat?
That's the.

750
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,880
Thing yeah, the the Croat and
his group they have some

751
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:57,160
questionable methods yes, but in
the grand scheme of things, if

752
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,480
you compare what we've seen them
do let me let me let me clarify

753
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,520
that what we have seen them do
compared to what we've seen

754
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,360
Alpha do compared to what we've
seen you know the Commonwealth

755
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,840
which Commonwealth wasn't really
that bad Lance was just an ass.

756
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:22,080
What we've seen the governor do
it's like comparatively

757
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,920
speaking, they really aren't
that bad.

758
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,760
They just they just want to keep
to themselves.

759
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,760
They want to make as much
methane as they want so that

760
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,240
they can power the city, so they
can get high, so they can have

761
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:39,760
their Walker things.
They don't, if I remember

762
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,040
correctly from last season, they
don't really punish anyone

763
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:48,200
unless they commit like a crime.
But even then, it's not like

764
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,920
what what they did to this guy,
you know, except for that one

765
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,680
guy that the Croat stabbed
because he had a maggot in his

766
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,480
fool.
You know what?

767
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,680
I might stab somebody in the
stomach too if I take a bite of

768
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,640
my burger and there's a maggot
there.

769
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,760
But other than that, it's yeah,
I just.

770
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,400
If you leave me alone, I'll
leave you alone and we will

771
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,000
handle well, right?
But you don't want to leave me

772
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,280
alone.
No, you don't.

773
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,280
Bothered.
Me, but they bout to fuck around

774
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:25,440
and find out 'cause Negan.
I won't say the old Negan is

775
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,720
completely back.
But one thing about Negan that I

776
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,760
think we can all agree on.
Megan is a showman.

777
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,240
He is a chameleon.
He is going to do what he needs

778
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,320
to do to survive.
Now, has he taken has he taken

779
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,160
that too far in the past?
Yes.

780
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:48,960
But we see with the the the last
couple of seasons of The Walking

781
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,160
Dead, with the first season of
Dead City, with this season,

782
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,360
this is not the person he wants
to be.

783
00:45:54,560 --> 00:46:01,040
Nikki spent six years locked up
in Alexandria to the point where

784
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,760
he wanted to die.
And here he's treating it like

785
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,400
it's every other day.
He's like, oh, OK, yeah, you

786
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,920
want this bucket of piece of
shit?

787
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,880
I eat your cockroach.
Really.

788
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,360
But this is where he is and he's
cool with it, right?

789
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,400
He's like, you know what?
I can do this.

790
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,040
I don't want to do that.
I just got to become that person

791
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,640
again.
And y'all don't want him to

792
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,400
become that person again.
Let's be honest.

793
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,320
True.
'Cause if you look at it this

794
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,160
way, so he's in a crappy jail
with crappy food and he's like,

795
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,440
I'd rather be here.
And Alexandra, he had a good

796
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,520
sale.
He had food that would make sure

797
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,080
he was fed.
But.

798
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,000
You've never He had his little
buddies sitting there doing

799
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,440
homework with him.
Right, he did.

800
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,840
And and keep it in mind, you're
in a better situation there, but

801
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,720
you'd rather die than be you in
this crappy situation that you

802
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,400
didn't run on you like, No, I
got it.

803
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Right.
Come on now.

804
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,240
So I I don't.
Think they can do is threaten

805
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,640
his wife and child?
That's all they can do.

806
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,200
And that's where they made the
mistake.

807
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,320
Right.
That's where they made the

808
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,480
mistake, because *** was sitting
there.

809
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,040
They're sitting there like
courting him with the bottle of

810
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,120
gin and everything and he's just
sitting there.

811
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Like look, we don't have this
conversation already.

812
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,480
This is why y'all have me locked
up because I already told y'all,

813
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,360
I don't want to do that.
The minute she mentioned wife

814
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,160
and child he kind of looked, but
when she called their names his

815
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,360
whole face changed.
I said oh y'all don't let him

816
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:40,960
out now, all right?
What you not going to do is.

817
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,080
Threaten that wife and child.
So I think one, we're probably

818
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,720
really about to see how Negan
feels about Annie and Joshua

819
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,480
because like we said, we didn't
we didn't get that build up in

820
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,000
in the The Walking Dead.
We just all of a sudden, oh, you

821
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000
married and oh all of a sudden
she's pregnant.

822
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,400
We didn't get any of that build
up.

823
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,080
And then when you bring us into
this story, oh, he's already

824
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,560
sent them off because he's put
himself in danger and he doesn't

825
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,240
want to endanger them again from
the new Babylonian people

826
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,360
because what?
One of the New Babylonian

827
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:23,760
people, excuse me, one of the
New Babylonian sheriffs was part

828
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,120
of the group that attacked and
raped her.

829
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:32,760
So yeah, New Babylonians.
I'm.

830
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,280
I'm waiting.
Let let them walk up in there

831
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,280
with me again and see what
they're gonna get.

832
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,120
He's gonna tear both groups
apart, so wait.

833
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,120
Wait till he see Pearly again.
He's gonna be like before like

834
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,320
for that.
I'm gonna see.

835
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,320
Yeah, he.
I I feel like both both groups

836
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,720
need to be concerned.
Absolutely, absolutely.

837
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,760
Because the New Babylonians you
coming to you coming to take

838
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,000
something that don't belong to
you.

839
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,720
OK, Negan has been on both sides
of that playbook.

840
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,840
So he knows what to do in all
situations but the Dhamma.

841
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:12,320
You threaten this man's wife and
child and and, and you've

842
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,320
already you've talked to people
who know him.

843
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:21,560
You got the information from
Herschel about, you know, who he

844
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,000
was and what he did.
That was that was one of the

845
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,080
reasons why you wanted him was
because of the stuff that

846
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,800
Herschel told you.
But obviously Herschel doesn't

847
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,240
know the first hand accounts.
So he's only giving you a muted

848
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,600
version of what this man is
capable of.

849
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,080
And you still want to go after
his wife and child.

850
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Oh, I'm when I say Team Negan at
this point, give it to him.

851
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,920
Give him hell.
I want to see it because they

852
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,360
all going to deserve it.
Leave folks alone, let folks

853
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,000
live their lives.
Mind your business.

854
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,760
Y'all got all this space, all
this country.

855
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,200
Literally all y'all's groups can
probably go stay in a separate

856
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,440
state and not have to bother
nobody.

857
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,720
Some of these states take 9
hours to get from 11 end to the

858
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:15,000
other.
Y'all got some space?

859
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,240
Yeah, you do.
Y'all got some space, and if you

860
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:23,560
can't make the methane, learn
how to play, play with some

861
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:30,320
stuff, figure it out.
Or, you know, go to them and be

862
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,800
like, hey, OK, look, y'all over
there on the island, That's

863
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,600
cool.
We just wanna know how y'all do

864
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,040
what y'all do.
And then we gonna take what

865
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,240
y'all teachers.
We gonna go where the hell over

866
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,760
here and y'all don't ever have
to see us again.

867
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,840
It could work.
It could work, but no, humans

868
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,560
gotta be stupid.
They gotta, they gotta be in

869
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,480
control.
They gotta, you know, take over

870
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,880
folks stuff.
They have to, they have to

871
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,960
colonize because let's let's be
honest, that's, that's what

872
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,720
you're doing.
That's what you're doing.

873
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,680
So I, yeah, I'm not, I'm not
feeling the, the New

874
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,760
Babylonians.
I'm, I'm gonna keep saying it.

875
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,760
That's gonna be my catch phrase.
No New Babylonians.

876
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:22,320
No, we don't want them.
So anyway, I think we've gotten

877
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,160
all the complaining.
I was there anything that we

878
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,760
forgot?
Because I was like, I just want

879
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,920
to get all this out so people
know from.

880
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,160
John, I'm looking.
Where we stand.

881
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,400
So we don't like the New
Babylonians.

882
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,280
We are in agreement of that.
Yeah, correct.

883
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,080
We are in agreement that we
don't really care for the Dhamma

884
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,160
and her people and what she's
trying to do because you trying

885
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,200
to unite people under an
alliance but you want somebody

886
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,280
else to be the face for you to
do.

887
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,280
Right.
And that, yeah, now I did love

888
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,080
Negan's whole thing in the
church.

889
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,560
I did.
It was corny at the beginning.

890
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,400
It was because it was one of
those things where I have to do

891
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,960
this something to do it, but I
just don't really care.

892
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,560
Right.
So I'm kind of dialing this in

893
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,080
until someone want to question
like we go follow you.

894
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,000
We got Jordan the group.
Oh, OK.

895
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,520
Let me test the waters here,
Right.

896
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,920
It is batted by your head.
You better move it.

897
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,080
I don't have to move it.
The button that electrocute, I

898
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,760
was like, oh Lord, why did y'all
give that to him 'cause he's

899
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,320
gonna be out of control now that
that right, this is it.

900
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,600
So I I will say this, the Croat
and the Dhamma, I think both of

901
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,760
them need to watch their backs
because they think they have

902
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,360
Negan on a leash and they have
no idea what they just let.

903
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,760
I don't think the coat thinks
that he was quite excited.

904
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,920
Like, I think he was really
excited when Negan did that, but

905
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,960
I think he knows deep down,
like, this can go either way.

906
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,720
I've seen what this man actually
will do.

907
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,000
Yeah.
So we're just going to take a

908
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,360
risk here.
He's like I can he, he's like I

909
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:19,120
can serve under either right
person, which is sad.

910
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,880
Yeah, but you know, he ain't
wrapped too tight, so no, he's

911
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,120
not.
He's understandable.

912
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,480
OK, do we have anything else to
say about this episode?

913
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,960
I can't wait to get to the other
episodes.

914
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,840
And yes, we have actually all,
we've only watched the first

915
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,760
episode because as I stated on
our social media, like Casey was

916
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,600
out of town or out of the
country really to celebrate her

917
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,640
50th.
And then she came back and then

918
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,680
I left to go celebrate my 50th.
And while I was gone, Michelle

919
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:02,160
and Anthony celebrated their
25th wedding anniversary.

920
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,920
So they were out of the country.
So we all just been traipsing

921
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,960
around the place.
So we all were like, OK, look,

922
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,880
we're just going to go ahead and
just watch the first episode,

923
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,720
talk about it, and then we'll
pick it up.

924
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:17,480
So I have no idea what's going
to happen in this season no

925
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,480
idea.
I have seen two potential

926
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,880
spoilers one of them I probably
feel like OK, yes, that was

927
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,240
definitely a spoiler.
This definitely happened the

928
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,920
other one I'm not quite so sure.
So you know we're.

929
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:36,160
So this is what I have.
Charlie Bird, she can go real

930
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,720
quick.
She's going to be what would be

931
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,920
nice if she is bitten by Walker
food.

932
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,880
Walker food.
That would be lovely.

933
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,440
And then she's thrown into the
pit, right?

934
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,600
That's what I was going to say.
Thrown into the pit.

935
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,240
That would be great.
What did you say his name was?

936
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,280
Boogle, Brugal.
Brugal.

937
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,640
Yeah, I just like him 'cause
he's from Sons of Anarchy, so

938
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,760
we'll just see what happens.
I just love his facial

939
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,040
expressions.
Yeah, he was sitting there

940
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,520
looking at *** like.
And then when they were doing

941
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,720
stuff, his, his guy was about to
get up.

942
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:13,600
He's like, no, just sit down.
Let's see how this play.

943
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,960
Let's see how this plays out.
Let's see how this plays out.

944
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,240
You know Maggie, Yeah.
I mean, I like I said.

945
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,360
Well, what would I don't.
I don't.

946
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,520
OK, so Maggie and Negan gonna
get back together again.

947
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,520
But maybe, maybe we really will
see.

948
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,760
Annie.
I'm not thinking we will.

949
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,200
I'm just making some theories.
Maybe they they do come in, and

950
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,040
Maggie helps.
Maggie helps save them.

951
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,520
No.
If you're gonna mention her,

952
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,400
she's showing up.
So I feel like she's coming in

953
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,480
New York.
So.

954
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,200
But Right.
And Maggie and Negan gonna work

955
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,160
together to save.
His family, yeah.

956
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:06,960
And maybe, just maybe, Maggie
can finally get some closure and

957
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,880
just let that go.
But this is just my I'm gonna

958
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,480
say this early.
There has to be something in

959
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,000
that final episode that will
either because they keep going

960
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,680
on the same this cycle.
So there has to be something in

961
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,440
this third episode that's gonna
either try them to Darrell back

962
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:31,400
to the Commonwealth or something
from fear. 3rd episode you made

963
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,240
third season.
Third season, third season,

964
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:35,880
third season.
So there has to be something to

965
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,680
wrap.
You understand what I'm saying?

966
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,680
Because because what?
What else?

967
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,600
Right, because I mean it's it's
the same and.

968
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,960
Carol are still in play so.
Yeah, but like even with Darrell

969
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,400
and Carol, OK, y'all can't keep
just traipsing across Europe.

970
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,160
You got children you need to go
home and tend to.

971
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,920
So you keep telling everybody
those your those, your children,

972
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,000
Uncle Daryl, you need to take
your ass home.

973
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:08,080
Yeah, 'cause you left their ass.
But they had, I believe, I

974
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,640
believe that show has been
renewed for a fourth season.

975
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,120
So I, I don't know.
I don't know.

976
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,720
But OK.
Any final thoughts on Dance City

977
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:27,760
Season 2 Episode 1?
Yes, I'm gonna struggle, but I'm

978
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,200
gonna make it because a lot of a
lot of things that we have

979
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,320
issues with is that writing.
I just feel like we're just

980
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:41,200
making this because we like
these two characters and we like

981
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,200
their conflict.
But take the time and really

982
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,280
write it.
Yeah, but you're right.

983
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,080
Some of the some of the
decisions people are making, it

984
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,920
is not making any sense.
No.

985
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,880
And the even the whole thing
with Maggie and Negan for me

986
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:02,600
doesn't make sense because you
handled it so beautifully at the

987
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:07,480
end of the show with them having
to work together with Negan,

988
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,800
having to, you know, with Negan
trying to take all the burden

989
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:16,400
off of Maggie, with Negan
actually apologizing to her for

990
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,920
what he did.
Like you did such a beautiful

991
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,320
job with that.
And then like we said, for

992
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:26,080
Season 1 of Dead City, to go
right back into that to the

993
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:30,680
point where you have now damaged
your relationship with your

994
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,720
child because you can't let that
go.

995
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,880
You took you took too big a step
backwards.

996
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,840
So now I need y'all to kind of
bring it back and then move it

997
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,440
forward.
So if if we're going to get this

998
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,880
whole thing with Megan, Megan,
if we're going to get a couple

999
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,800
more seasons, I need them to be
at a point where they are at

1000
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,240
peace with their past and with
each other.

1001
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,600
I'm not saying y'all got to be
the best of friends, but y'all

1002
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,280
do work well together.
When y'all have all of the other

1003
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,040
stuff out, you make a great
team.

1004
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,880
You get shit done for your
people.

1005
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,600
That's what I want to see more
of.

1006
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,240
And that's what that would that
would be great.

1007
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,400
Like them working as a team to
get through something right,

1008
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:21,000
understanding where through
through that process they are

1009
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,120
that she is healing.
Yeah.

1010
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,400
Yeah.
Because he understands.

1011
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,760
You already got him
understanding how that feels

1012
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,680
when him and Annie was on their
knees.

1013
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:35,880
So he gets it.
He gets the other side,

1014
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,640
hopefully she gets what he was
saying because again y'all, this

1015
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,800
all started when they killed
that out.

1016
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,840
But we're not, we're not going
to start that conversation.

1017
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:51,360
Look, if you want to hear us
talk more about this, we will be

1018
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:56,080
having two panels discussing
separately Maggie and Megan at

1019
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,760
ATL Comic Convention, which is
taking place July 18th through

1020
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,880
the 20th at the Georgia World
Congress Center.

1021
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:07,880
We will have a total of four
panels related to The Walking

1022
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,560
Dead that weekend.
So if you go to our website and

1023
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,520
all our social media, you will
find our blog post that details

1024
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,040
that entire schedule for that
weekend.

1025
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,320
So come listen to us talk and
let us know how you feel about

1026
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,400
the whole Maggie and Megan
dynamic.

1027
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,560
But for now, that is it for our
show.

1028
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,480
You can find us online at
www.phantomhybrid.com.

1029
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,440
We are on social media on all
the social media at Phantom

1030
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,400
Hybrid.
You can chat with us on our

1031
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,320
Discord channel.
You can watch our videos on our

1032
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,280
YouTube channel, and you can
listen to us on all major

1033
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,160
podcast streaming platforms.
Thanks for listening.

1034
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,000
We hope you join the
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