The Walking Dead: Dead City Season 2 Episode 2 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #363

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hannah Cohen.

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I'm here with Michelle and Casey
and we are discussing Season 2,

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Episode 2 of The Walking Dead,
Dead City and Hurley said

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probably his most profound
statement in this episode that

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I'm going to agree with and that
was she has been right all

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along.
I don't know why they won't

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listen to her after all this
time, let me tell you.

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With, with their group, with the
New Babylonians and with the the

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New York group.
I'm sitting here and I'm like,

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y'all must be writing these
characters dumb in order to

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amplify Maggie and Negan, but
y'all don't need to do that

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'cause we already know Maggie
and Negan know what they're

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doing.
Why are these characters so dumb

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on both sides?
They are so dumb and I'm just

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like, I'm waiting for these
people to die.

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I would.
I was cheering the Croat and and

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their group today 'cause I was
like, yes, let's get rid of some

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of these dumbasses.
Right, not the one that needed

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to go like Charlie Bird.
Can she get hit?

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Charlie Bird got hit.
Novias novias.

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That's who need to die.
I'm.

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Sorry, I don't.
I don't even know where to

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start.
This is what I want to say I got

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some place to start at the
beginning of this episode very

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beginning.
First thing what they doing

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driving cars right?
Which means y'all got gas from

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some damn where?
Why is we on this mission?

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Why are we all?
That's the first thing I saw

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when I'm.
OK, I'm gonna answer that

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question in the vein of
Michelle's mindset.

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But they got gas.
Right, because gas is limited.

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That meant they got it coming
from the dead bodies.

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That's limitless.
But they wasted a whole lot of

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gas.
They did.

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It to the the dock.
Not even the waste of gas.

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Not even just that, like Maggie
said, you're taking us on a

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ferry across like like they're
not going to see that.

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It's it's dark, it's foggy and
y'all are lit up like a

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motherfucking beacon and where
where come for you.

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But if you are in charge, when
you just even take the

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information like OK, it was
burning tires, she may have a

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point.
Let's have a plan AB and C,

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let's maybe divide up just in
case.

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Let's send something out there
just in case to see what they

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have planned.
But no.

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So let me tell you, I think if
Novias wasn't in the picture,

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she wasn't always running off at
the mouth trying to, I don't

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know, exert her authority, show
that she she is knowledgeable

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about what they're doing and
stuff.

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If it if she was out of the
picture and Charlie Bird only

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had to listen to who was around
her listening to Maggie,

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listening to Pearly.
Those are the two people who

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have been on the island before.
So that's who she should be

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listening to.
And she kind of sort of it seems

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like she defers to to pearly
like, OK, I hear what's being

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said over here.
So what do you think?

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And I don't know if she's doing
that just for I don't know.

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But I feel like Novaeus is the
main problem and the fact that

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she is still around while
Charlie Bird is gone.

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I'm like, OK, you bout to you
bout to fuck stuff up for

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everybody because one, you don't
know what the fuck you're doing.

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I don't know what your job was
in in the previous life pre

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apocalypse, but obviously it
wasn't what you're doing now

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because you're so busy trying to
make it seem like you're so

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important.
You got so much to say and

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you're doing this.
The first of all, Maggie should

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have punched her twice in this
episode.

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The first time was when she was
like, soldier, get back and snap

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and point.
Bitch, bitch, I, I told you I

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was gonna try to stop cussing on
this podcast.

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The first episode wasn't it.
And it ain't gonna be this

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episode either, because, bitch,
that should have been the first

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punch.
And then the second punch came

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right when it was supposed to.
But that punch should have been

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hard.
Like that punch should have

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knocked her out.
Like everybody know everybody.

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No, Maggie, don't play about
herself.

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Why was it?
Threatening him.

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And why would you threaten?
Him and.

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And not just y'all got to lay
off the children just in

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general, because you see, even
on the other side, Megan looking

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so disinterested in the Domino's
being excited and the Croat

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being excited, they don't get
any kind of reaction out of him

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until she says, oh, what's
wrong?

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You must be so you must be so
preoccupied with the imminent

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reunion of your family.
And you saw the way he kind of

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tapped Lucille and looked at her
like, bitch, you got one more

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time to bring my family into
this.

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Y'all going like, are y'all not
reading the room?

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They not.
That is the whole reason why you

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wanted this man and you going to
keep antagonizing him.

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But we're going to get to them
later.

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Let's go back to Maggie and
them, because again, Nevaez is

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the one who should have been
Firebomb.

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Right, she needed to get hit by
a zombie bomb.

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That's what I needed.
They're they're, they're telling

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you literally from junk.
Early wanted Maggie on that

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mission because she has the
insider knowledge.

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She knows what she's dealing
with.

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And not paying attention to that
and not paying.

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Attention And I don't blame her.
She was like, why even bring me

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on this if you're not going to
listen to what I have to say?

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She's telling y'all using a
fairy That's out of the

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question.
He already knows that you guys

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are coming because what did you
do when you were there?

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Pearly?
You told him who you was.

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You told him.
Oh, I'm a sheriff with New

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Babylon.
They already know you're coming.

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Yeah.
She's trying to tell y'all how

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to put, how to, I guess not even
sneak, because at this point

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she's like, we need to turn
around and come up with a better

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idea.
And the vias is like, you, you

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want us to leave all our army
back?

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Yes, because you're gonna end up
with you.

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What you ended up with anyway, A
dead army.

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I was just watching this
episode.

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Like, I'm really, I'm really,
really trying to get to a point

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where I'm just not hate watching
because of these characters.

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But these people are stupid.
They are stupid.

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And I don't blame it.
If I was mad, I'd be like, OK,

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y'all want to go on that?
OK, Yeah.

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You know what?
I would have done exactly what

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she did.
I would have punched that chick

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in the face and I would have
just sat down there if they

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hadn't started firebombing.
I would have just sat there and

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been like, OK, you know what?
I'm gonna let y'all do what

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y'all gonna do.
You got it.

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And then, you know, I mean,
these people are so dumb.

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And then apparently.
We knew that from when they

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first came even into the bricks
though.

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Yeah, that you're right.
From RIP.

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But we knew that from last
season as well, when they

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started talking all this mess
about, OK, so tell us about the

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methane.
Y'all don't want to go there?

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Y'all don't want to go there?
But since you going there, you

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bring the smartest purple, You,
you, you got the smartest person

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who been there and the made it
back.

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But I don't want to listen to
nothing, nothing she's saying.

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At all.
They don't want the person who

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can fight against the walkers
the best because you saw Novias

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when they washed up on the
island when the walkers started

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coming.
She reaching for her gun 'cause

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you probably can't do shit
against them walkers without it.

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When I say this is one of the
most ill liked like I cannot

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stand this character.
She is one of like.

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Wait a minute, wait a minute.
Hold on, hold on.

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Do you hate her more than
Madison?

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Let me contemplate that for a
minute.

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Yes, because you know what,
Madison, at least some of the

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time when she was doing stuff,
she was doing stuff with a

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purpose.
And she did have a smart way of

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doing things because it was all
about protecting her kids.

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And she didn't.
She really thought she was doing

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the right thing and what she was
doing she was.

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And she she had her moments
where anything that she was

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doing that was about protecting
her kids.

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So she's not really trying to
make a lot of stupid decisions.

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Now later on, I don't know what
that was.

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Like I said, I don't know what
that was.

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They brought back that wasn't
Madison, in my opinion.

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But yeah, no, she's definitely
above Madison on my most hated

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characters list because this
bitch is just dumb.

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And she's, she's, she has a lot
of ego and she just, I don't

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know, she's trying to prove she
has the biggest balls in, in the

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group and that ain't the case.
Right.

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And you're not making wise
decisions.

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So how did you even get into
that position?

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But I guess I've never really
had to do anything really that

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requires some strategic
thinking.

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I mean, it's just so like every,
everyone knows that you do not

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cross in the open like that,
that that makes no sense.

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They know you're coming.
And if they did know you were

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coming, they may have lookouts
like you don't think they have

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perimeter lookouts protecting
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Like watch like come on.
Free.

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They set the fire of the tires.
We'll, we'll.

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We'll we'll, we'll get to that.
We'll get, I mean, yeah, right.

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If somebody lit the fires on
tire but.

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You but you know what?
The first thing I thought of in

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the beginning of this episode,
really, I thought of you, Casey.

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When why is his name just
drawing the plane?

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Herschel Herschel, Herschel,
Herschel came.

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I was like, oh, he need a
whooping.

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He was told to stay where he
was.

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Stay where you don't listen
either.

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But you know what I understand.
Understood because he like.

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He was like, they basically
kidnapped you when when they

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kidnapped me, did you just sit
around?

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No, no.
And he probably has an idea.

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He was like he has even better
experience to dealing with them

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then the rest of them.
So I got it.

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But in the beginning I was like,
oh he need a whooping because he

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was supposed to stay at home.
Yeah, put your.

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Ass down Jenny, still getting on
my nerves with that silent

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treatment shit.
You know what?

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We we know you could talk.
We know you could talk.

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Now you can be silent.
You know, I think the whole

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thing.
Yes, bad.

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The whole thing with Jenny is I
understand she's still pissed at

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Maggie.
I do get it.

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You know, you, you you went to
Manhattan in the 1st place on

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false pretenses.
You told this big lie about why

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you had to go and why Herschel
was kidnapped and you know, all

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this other stuff about the grin.
And so I get it.

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She's a teenager.
She's still holding, you know,

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she's still holding a grudge.
But at some point, like Maggie

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said, it's just you and me here.
We got to have each other's

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back, and I have your back.
Ain't nobody else going to have

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your back like Maggie has.
And I need you to get over that.

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Like you doing all this mad
stuff.

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You obviously see the New
Babylonians don't give a fuck

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about you.
We said this in the last

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episode.
They don't care that y'all are

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kids.
They're just like, oh, they told

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you you're able bodied, you can
fight.

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Especially those three at the
top, because you got, you got

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Governor Byrd, who is kind of
looking this way and looking

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this way and making a decision
that's kind of sort of down the

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middle.
You have Novias who has no idea

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what the fuck she's doing, but
she acts like it.

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You got Pearly, who knows what
he should be doing, but he's not

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doing it because he's too scared
to speak out.

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Like, dude, grow a pair please.
Please.

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It's that whole group, that
whole new Babylonian group irks

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me to no end.
That's probably going to be my

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saying for the next 5 episodes.
That group irks me because going

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back to what you said, Michelle,
how is it that you have these

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positions if you don't know what
you're doing?

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Because I was like, how in the
world did Hurley end up being

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Colonel?
How did he end up being in new

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the, the, the law enforcement
anyway?

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Because when I think about it,
that wasn't his trade.

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But of course, you're in a new
world.

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A lot of people who probably
didn't, you know, a lot of

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people are doing things that
they didn't do before.

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Y'all needed a law enforcement
group.

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OK, so y'all got one and he just
got the promotion because he

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supposedly killed me.
Again, I I get it.

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But again, the fact that you
don't know something as simple

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as these people are going to be
prepared for anybody who comes

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to try to steal their shit.
The fact that you don't already

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know that before Maggie tells
you and then after she tells you

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and she makes sense when you go
back and tell them about and

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they say, well, what do you
think we should do?

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Well, I agree with her, but I
think we should go ahead and

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attack now to to ruin the
element of surprise.

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Ain't no element of surprise for
anyone.

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But y'all, I was just like, I
don't know who your, I don't

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know who your scouts are that
you have, you know, surveying

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the land.
Y'all thinking, oh, we're going

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to come up on the backside of
the island, we should be safe

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then.
You really think they're going

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to leave any part of that island
unprotected?

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Right, That's that.
That's why it doesn't make sense

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what they did.
And not even this.

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Try to listen to her right?
Not even saying that that New

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Babylon would come for their
methane or anything else.

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Trying to keep people off of it.
Period, period.

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You think that at some point
they prepared that some

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somebody, we don't know who
gonna show up, but someone's

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gonna show up.
And when someone shows up even

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cause like even with the bombs
on the buoys, even if we not

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watching out, we gonna know the
bomb went off.

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It's gonna, it's, it's gonna,
it's gonna signal us to.

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Something it's gonna signal
somebody is crossing.

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Somebody near, somebody close
somebody even if it don't

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destroy the ship because like
even though they hit the buoy

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and it didn't, you know, they
still had the soda bombs, but

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the buoy was enough for you to
say, oh, oh, somebody had to go.

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Right, so.
Right.

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You don't think they've had all
this time to do that around the

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entire island?
This ain't new to them.

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And then she talking about Oh
well stop the engines and drop

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anchor, we should be fine.
It's like no, because now they

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know where you are.
Exactly why they sent.

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The bomb, the the, the missiles,
the the the very.

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Walker Missiles.
What I say you have to you.

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You don't have to like the
Croat, but you have to admire

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his mind.
Yeah, because he lets nothing go

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to waste.
He was like, OK, we're gonna

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take the methane from this one,
and then we're gonna take the

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body and we gonna do this and
we're gonna put some stuff on it

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and we gonna pack it with this
and then we gonna put.

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You have to admire it again.
This man has been on this island

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for 20 years.
He knows how to protect the

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island.
There's a reason why nobody

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makes who gets on the island
comes off.

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Except for who?
Maggie.

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Maggie Hurley and Herschel and
and Jenny because of what?

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Maggie right and and because of
Megan.

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But yes.
So the fact that y'all are not

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listening to her while she's
telling you why everything you

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are doing is wrong, when those
bombs start hitting and people

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start dying, I was like, Oh well
what y'all having for dinner

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tonight 'cause at this point you
deserve it.

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And then you got like I said,
Milton 2 point O you got him up

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on the thing.
Trying to again spot old.

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Can you imagine?
This is where millions of

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workers, this is how they got to
work and then next thing you

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know you're puking your guts
out.

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Dude, just just just shut up and
just enjoy the ride.

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Stop trying to tell people about
stuff they don't really care

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about anymore.
Because.

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Nobody cares.
Nobody cares.

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Nobody cares.
But I, I tell you, they made me

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so mad.
Like literally from the

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beginning when they showed the
boat, I was just like, really?

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You guys think this is the best
way to get across?

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Like at this point, more
impressed with the fact that

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Jenny found a cooler and rolled,
rolled herself across because

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she was like, OK, nobody gonna
be thinking about this.

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Ain't nobody gonna be looking
for me.

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I'm just a spare.
No one would even.

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It was a miracle she survived
that, but OK.

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Right.
But she she was just a speck.

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No lights, no nothing similar.
But you wouldn't.

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But you wouldn't be able to
really see her, right?

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You know, but a.
Whole boat with lights and loud

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engines, right?
And keep talking, even the

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little boat, Maggie.
Took across didn't do all that.

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Not right I.
That's why they should have had

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like a different, they should
have a couple of plans, but

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that's.
Why?

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That's what Maggie told me.
Y'all about to take this?

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This.
This what we.

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Right, right.
This right here.

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This right here.
You may as well set off

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fireworks and be like, hey, we
don't know what.

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Well, I mean, they did once they
walked, once they ran into them

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boys, but it it was so even
while they were on the way, once

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Pearly got down there to the to
the the room where they're

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steering, Novias kept looking at
him with this weird look like

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I'm a prove you wrong.
I'm a prove you wrong.

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And I was like, just can the
bomb hit her first?

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Because again, I just do not
like that character.

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She is Oh my God, like, Oh my
God.

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I just, oh, I can't, I can't, I
can't with her.

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And the fact that she survived,
I'm just like.

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Of course she did.
'Cause she gotta aggravate us

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for the next 4 episodes.
Absolutely.

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What could it with that?
But I mean, just all the people

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on that that ship or, I don't
know, the girl who came

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downstairs and saw Maggie and
Herschel and lock up and Maggie

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was like, look, can you let us?
Who was her point?

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Why did she even come down
there?

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You wouldn't go help.
To run away.

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Maybe she but, but that wasn't
the right room, because if

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anything happened like it like
like it did, if they didn't sink

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the ship, chances are you have
walkers on the ship now.

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Downstairs in the Brig is the
last place you want to because

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there's only one way in and one
way out.

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Yeah.
So I don't know what she was

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thinking.
She could have let Maggie go,

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but she got scared and ran off.
Oh, I guess to give Jenny her

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oh, I'm gonna come save you
moment.

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But it's just like, was this one
of the new Babylonian people,

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'cause I'm pretty sure she
wasn't one of Maggie's people.

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People wasn't gonna leave her.
No, they wouldn't.

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Yeah, they would know.
They would know what to do,

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yeah.
But the fact that they're, they

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were doing all of that and then
when Maggie comes in and she's

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trying to tell them, look, y'all
are being dumb.

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I, I'm telling y'all what y'all
need to do.

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And Novias is not even listening
to her.

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Oh, we saw that you were
deserting and that's why you

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were being followed in the 1st
place.

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Maggie was like, I wasn't like,
where the hell am I going to go

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with all my people here?
Like Maggie's a different breed.

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She's not she.
Already know I'm not leaving

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them.
This is the same woman who

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fought so that 20 people
wouldn't have to go.

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She's the reason why there's
only 50 there and not 70.

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But then Novaya starts doing all
of this other stuff.

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Oh, that, you know, we, we can
hang you for that, man.

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It was like, like, really?
This, this what you worried?

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Like I just told you, your plan
is about to fail and this is

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what you worried about hanging
me?

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Oh, no, not just you.
It's the other 20 people

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starting with that one.
I was like, Maggie, if you don't

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hit this bitch now, I'm going to
come through the TV and do it

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for you.
So when she punched her, I got

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such satisfaction.
I did too, but.

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She should have.
She should have knocked her out.

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She should have knocked her out.
She could have.

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I mean, she would have been a
little, a little bit more

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trouble, but I think Maggie
could have handled whatever

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would have came.
Yeah, but I, I tell you, that

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chick there and she's like, oh,
lock him up, lock him up too and

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blah, blah, blah.
And Pearly is like, what is this

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going to solve Pearly?
She didn't pay no attention to

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you.
Like, she's a she's a, she's a

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major.
You're a Colonel.

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Isn't she supposed to be
following your orders?

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I need Pearly to grow a pair.
Like seriously.

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But we knew.
We knew.

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He was a bitch first season.
So yeah, I know that, but still

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it's.
Yeah, but it's getting worse.

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It's getting worse.
Yeah, 'cause you ain't saying

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nothing about right Borrow.
Maggie's if you need to, but I

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need you to get a pair.
Not borrow Maggie.

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'S I mean, I'm just saying she
probably she got.

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Them.
She's got what was it Negan

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called them?
Beach ball sized lady nuts.

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Maggie didn't have them.
That was Sasha.

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I I know, but that that was his
time for it.

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Oh, yes, Maggie got him.
Yeah, she definitely does.

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But I mean, the fact that they
end up getting bombed, they make

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it to the island safely.
Well, no, let me go even before

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that, because there was another
thing that was bothering me.

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You guys are planning an attack
on an island that you you know,

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you claim you're on the back
half of the island when where

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supposedly nobody is watching
and you guys are safe.

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Y'all got tents staked up like
y'all on a camping trip.

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Just what?
Y'all got that?

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Y'all got there in y'all cars
that use the gas.

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You got vehicles on the dock,
you got tents on the dock, you

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got people walking around on the
dock.

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Like none of this would be
noticeable to anybody with a

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pair of binoculars.
And even without the binoculars,

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y'all can look and say something
right about that over there.

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I don't remember all of that
being there.

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And then someone set the tires
on fire.

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OK, so supposedly that is a
signal that the Croat uses.

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And the Croat did say something
when he was talking to the

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diamond.
He said, Oh yeah, we've had a

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signal that they are on the
move.

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So that definitely could have
been somebody on their side,

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which we're going to get to in a
minute 'cause I'm not ready to

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go there yet.
We got to talk about the Negan

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stuff first.
So again, OK, if anybody up to

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this point is still doubting
that Negan is not savior Negan,

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I'ma say it again.
Y'all not paying attention.

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Because he makes it very clear
from his facial expressions,

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from his body language, from the
way that he is responding to the

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Dhamma and the Croat that he
doesn't want to be there.

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He doesn't want to be doing what
he's doing.

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He just wants to be left alone.
The fact that the episode

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started with him sitting in his
prison cell tells you

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everything.
He's looking down at those

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roaches on the ground.
Like I would rather be in here

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eating these roaches than doing
what I'm doing now.

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But the problem is y'all keep
bringing his family up and again

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Negan ain't the one.
If anything, the Croats story

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that he told to Victor when they
were preparing, when he was

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talking about, yeah, in the old
days when we were at Sanctuary,

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we had this group of savages
come.

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They tried to get us to give
them all their provisions.

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00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,640
And we're thinking Negan is
going to like, you know, attack.

450
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,400
And Negan welcomes them and he
gives them a fee.

451
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,400
So we're all looking at him
like, what the fuck?

452
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,480
And then we find out what he
does, which is he trades the

453
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:54,280
meat for the visitors to Walker.
me and I just sat here in my

454
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,360
head, just tainted, I'm
screaming, tainted me the whole

455
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:01,680
time and telling their story.
But he talks about.

456
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,480
Yeah.
One thing that that we learned

457
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240
is that Negan always protects
his own.

458
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,160
And I was like, if you are not
paying attention to your own

459
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,400
words right now, Mr. Sir, Negan
always protects his own.

460
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,560
And you guys are not his own.
Right and even.

461
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:24,320
Doing this probably just until
he lays eyes on Annie and

462
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,960
Joshua, once he sees that they
are there, once he sees that

463
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,240
they are safe.
And I, I, I got to believe now

464
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,280
that they are going to bring
them to the show because she's

465
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,440
now mentioned them twice.
So the moment he lays eyes on

466
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,840
them and sees that they're OK,
it's about to be game on. *** is

467
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:46,600
going to be like, Oh no, bitch
like Andy, like Andy is not a

468
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,640
weak woman, right?
You can see.

469
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,720
Your mic a little bit more.
Oh, Andy is not a weak woman.

470
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,280
No, so she is not even if they
did take her, they took her

471
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,240
under very much duress 'cause,
you know, she was fighting and

472
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,800
she got a baby.
All that that we did in the end

473
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,720
of The Walking Dead to protect
that baby.

474
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,480
Oh, baby, she another Maggie.
She she's not about to.

475
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,960
She ain't go quite go.
She's not going to go quietly

476
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,840
until the night.
No, but then they they also not

477
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,680
realizing and telling that story
about Negan like he has a plan.

478
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,680
Right.
So he's thinking of something

479
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,360
else that's gonna occur instead
of what y'all want to occur.

480
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,080
Now he's doing what he has to do
again to make sure his family is

481
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,560
protected.
He's like, yeah, but he got he

482
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,840
got something behind.
He had some ideas doing on what

483
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,960
he going to do afterwards.
Because the moment she mentioned

484
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,640
Annie and Joshua, you know, the
Croat was giving his plan.

485
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,640
And she's just looking at him
like, OK, whatever.

486
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,680
Oh, this is the other thing.
I think the Dhamma got a thing

487
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,840
for Negan because she acts like
a fucking school girl when she's

488
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,440
talking to him.
And I'm just like, EW, this is

489
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,920
creepy, but OK.
But you know, when the crow ad

490
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,440
is sitting there giving his
plans and she's just looking at

491
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,840
him like, well, what do you
think Negan?

492
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,800
And Negan is just like, I have
no opinion.

493
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,680
And then she makes the mention,
oh, or are you so preoccupied

494
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,480
with the imminent, you know,
reunion of your family?

495
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,360
And then he was like, OK, bitch,
you won't.

496
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,200
OK.
So yeah, let me tell you, his

497
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,080
plan is a good plan.
But this is what we need to do.

498
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,440
We need to do this, We need to
do that.

499
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,840
We need to do this.
We need to do that.

500
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,200
And we need to make sure that
the other teams on this island

501
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,280
who are not playing nice right
now, we need to make them

502
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,800
understand that we are the ones
in charge, blah, blah, blah.

503
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,640
Like he spouted all of this off
so you know what was there in

504
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,400
his head?
So the fact that y'all keep

505
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,520
antagonizing this man, y'all
want it because y'all heard of

506
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,760
his cruelty and what he does to
protect his people.

507
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,760
The fact that y'all keep pushing
that red button that says do not

508
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,760
touch, y'all bout to fuck around
and find out.

509
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,760
And I'm, I'm, I'm here for it.
I'm ready for it.

510
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,080
Because this Dhamma chick again,
I don't understand how she's in

511
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,920
charge.
You don't really do anything

512
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,320
except for like you intimidate
people.

513
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,320
And then you did the thing with
with Victor the violinist,

514
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,480
because you realize that Victor
was a soft spot for Negan

515
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,480
because Victor was the one who
at the beginning of the episode

516
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,960
comes in while Negan is in his
prison.

517
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,560
And I think he understand
Megan's frame of mind.

518
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,520
So he gives him a story about
his dad.

519
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,000
And when he was forced to learn
to play the violin, he runs off

520
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,480
all these composers that he's
like, they're OK, they're OK,

521
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,160
this is the worst.
But then, you know, Bach, as

522
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,280
long as I could concentrate on
Bach, I could do what needed to

523
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,480
be done.
And I think he was telling me

524
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,920
again, find that one thing that
you can concentrate on to make

525
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,000
all of the rest of this
bearable.

526
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,920
And I think Megan appreciated
that.

527
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,040
Absolutely.
So when she brings him in,

528
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,800
because when Megan is the one
giving the orders to fire the

529
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:17,080
missiles, he has the binoculars
or he has the telescope, he sees

530
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,080
Herschel on the boat, and that
throws him for a minute.

531
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,280
He tells them to hold off on,
you know, doing more missiles.

532
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Victor automatically assumes
he's like, OK, he sees, you

533
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,040
know, I think from the way he
looks at Megan, he's like, OK,

534
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,400
he knows somebody on there.
The Croat definitely looked at

535
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,440
him.
Was like, oh, he's trying to

536
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,760
protect somebody.
So what does the Croat do?

537
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,480
He runs to tell Mommy.
Tell runs to tell mommy.

538
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,680
And then the Dhamma brings in
Victor and she gives this little

539
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,920
speech and you know, Negan
already knows.

540
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,080
Once Victor walks in, he's like,
oh shit, we're in trouble.

541
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,440
OK, she's about to try and make
an example.

542
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,840
OK, play something for us.
I you know, I don't want to take

543
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,640
away from art, blah blah blah,
blah, blah.

544
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,480
So he plays something
beautifully.

545
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,760
And then what did she say?
She said some stupid shit about

546
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,960
Bach wanting to bring things
back.

547
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,600
She's like, well, I don't want
to go back.

548
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,120
And then she stabs him in the
neck.

549
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,960
I'm like, aren't you the same
person who lives in a museum

550
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,760
with all of the old art, you
listening to old music and you,

551
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,840
you literally are, are trying to
preserve certain things.

552
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,480
And then you come with that
speech and you kill Victor.

553
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,240
And then you make Negan even
more pissed.

554
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Then you go to the Croat.
So you, you want Megan to know

555
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,920
that it came from the Croat.
Oh, you did such a good job.

556
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,560
And then you, you look at her
and it's almost like you don't

557
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,240
see her face because her hair's
in the way, but she's trying to

558
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,480
steer herself to give him that
little kiss on the head.

559
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,000
I was like, you know what, this
bitch got to die.

560
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,040
I just don't understand why she
is the person that's in charge

561
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,200
because what she did, anybody
could do that any of the people

562
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,280
that's there could do.
That, but it has to be somebody

563
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,680
that's willing to stand up to
her.

564
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,520
Right.
We need right, but we also need

565
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,720
for them to do like a back story
so we can see 'cause I'm like

566
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,920
with like we literally can just
like kill her in her sleep or

567
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,880
she gone die of national causes
in a couple of days.

568
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,560
I mean like.
Right, because she's one, she

569
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,720
she's old.
She's old and frail.

570
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,880
OK, yeah, she still has her
mental faculties.

571
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:42,560
And she, I I don't know, maybe
her, I don't know if I want to

572
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,280
say charisma because I honestly
don't see it, but something

573
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,760
about her commands respect.
Yeah, 'cause.

574
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,880
Even when in the meeting she say
she she was like sitting back in

575
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,360
the cut.
Waiting for me I need the I need

576
00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:02,600
the back story episode 'cause I
'cause I don't get it, you know

577
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,960
I mean, if we want to be honest,
I I wouldn't mind seeing Lucille

578
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:15,760
have a go at her I mean that I I
just don't understand it but.

579
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,640
I think that's something that
they, they, we, at some point

580
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,400
they're going to have to let us
in on it because we can't

581
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,560
continue to question why
everyone or not even everyone,

582
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,800
why the Croat is blindly
following her.

583
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,880
You're right.
You know what I mean?

584
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:39,360
If you look at it, the Croat,
even though he he kind of crazy,

585
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:45,720
but he's a little more he he is
a little more, I guess you would

586
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,800
say, powerful than she is in
that he has so much knowledge.

587
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,080
And but he is that type of
person that we found based on

588
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,960
Nikki.
He's always seeking approval.

589
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,960
So he can't be a leader because
he's always looking to somebody

590
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,240
to be like, did I do good?
Is this what you wanted?

591
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,680
Is it, you know what I mean?
He's like a little lap dog.

592
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,239
But if he I think if he applied
himself, he could be a, a, a

593
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,040
pretty good villain if he wasn't
such like a, a, a a a do boy

594
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,480
like a child.
Yeah, like a He's very

595
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,320
childlike.
And I, I do realize that

596
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,480
probably we had something to do
with the trauma that, that he

597
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,199
dealt with because we, you know,
in the first season, we found

598
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,679
out about his family and about
what happened to them.

599
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:37,000
And, you know, Megan kind of
saved him from I, I don't know,

600
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,960
this dismal life after all of
that.

601
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,080
So he latched on to Megan.
And then when he was thrown out

602
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,639
from Megan, he wandered a little
bit.

603
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,920
And I don't know how the Dhamma
found him or how he found her.

604
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,360
I don't know what made him go to
Manhattan in the 1st place, but

605
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,880
it's probably because she took
him in and she allowed him to do

606
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,560
what he needed to do or what he
wanted to do with no

607
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,080
restrictions.
So I can get that, you know,

608
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,600
it's like, I don't know, trauma
bonding to the NTH degree.

609
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,120
But like you said, he could be
the main villain because before

610
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,280
we even knew she existed, we
thought he was the the villain.

611
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,120
We thought he was the one in
charge.

612
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,440
And he came across that way.
And it's like now he comes

613
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,280
across, like you said, like a
child seeking approval.

614
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:31,200
And it's kind of weird for his
character because I, I actually

615
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,280
preferred him the other way.
But I don't know, his character

616
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,560
is just he doesn't read social
cues very well because the whole

617
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,240
time you're sitting here talking
to *** *** like every time he

618
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:51,560
says Nigga's name, I know Negan
is visually imagining hitting

619
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,240
him across the head with, with
Lucille, swear to God, every

620
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,560
time he says Megan or like, even
when they first got to the

621
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,160
museum, he was like, ah, Lucille
looks a little thirsty, doesn't

622
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,840
she?
And *** looked at him like, if

623
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,440
you don't shut up, talk to me.
And kept going up the stairs,

624
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,080
like he keeps saying these
things like he's trying to prod

625
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,880
the old Negan out, the one that
was his buddy back then.

626
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,000
And he obviously is not really
paying attention to the fact

627
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000
that Negan just does not.
He ain't for this shit.

628
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,040
He's only he don't.
Want.

629
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,640
To even be there, right?
He's only doing this because

630
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,040
y'all keep bringing his family
into it.

631
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,920
Once he lays eyes on Annie and
Joshua, it's going to be game

632
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:37,400
over and he will probably start
with the Croat because the Croat

633
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,600
is the whole reason why he's in
this in the 1st place.

634
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,760
The Croat is the one that came
looking for him in the bricks.

635
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:51,160
The one you know, he's the one.
Yeah, I did their whole dynamic

636
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:55,040
in in that particular facility
because like you said, all of

637
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,680
those people who are guarding
things, who have the guns that

638
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,640
they could easily overthrow her
because what does she do?

639
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,880
She sits in her room, she
listens to music, she looks at

640
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:15,120
weird, grotesque art and she
talks about things as if she.

641
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,480
I I don't know.
I don't know what the appeal is

642
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,200
of this woman.
I just don't see it.

643
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,760
It's like when you when you
can't even give me a reason to

644
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,920
like her.
I I'm bored by her already.

645
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,360
Kill, kill her already put the
Croat back into.

646
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,600
She's going to now at this
point, especially, especially

647
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,040
since she killed Victor,
especially because.

648
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:48,480
Yeah, Megan in, in, in this.
Megan was, I mean, not Megan.

649
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,200
Victor was a little hope of
light for Victor.

650
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:57,280
I mean, Victor was a little
whole polite for Megan.

651
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,440
Right.
So I mean, aside from even him

652
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,760
telling him the story, right?
So like even aside from telling

653
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,880
him the story, remember all the
time he was locked up, he was

654
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,480
playing a violin for him and you
know, y'all were having

655
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,680
conversations.
So it's like to have somebody

656
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,520
who understand what you going
through and then you killed his

657
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Mama for no reason.
Like, at least Megan needed a

658
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:23,200
reason to kill people, you know
I'm me and at least had a cold,

659
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,480
you know what I'm saying?
So he wasn't.

660
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,320
It.
Went out to that outpost now

661
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,280
let's not get started on that
part, no.

662
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,920
No, no.
But I'm just saying for.

663
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,720
Yeah, that was a.
Reason.

664
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:35,400
If you don't fuck with me, I
ain't fucking with you.

665
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,840
So he really had no reason.
And now the fact that you even

666
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,720
killed the one person who had
like a kin, not a kinship, but

667
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:46,560
like, it's kind of like a
kinship with who understood

668
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,720
being a prisoner.
And I really don't want to do

669
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:50,680
this.
I'm being forced into a

670
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,440
situation that I don't want to
do.

671
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,240
But at least there's somebody
who who kind of get it.

672
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,400
Yeah.
And then for Croat to be a bitch

673
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,920
and run and tell because you
watching *** so God damn hard.

674
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,480
You want to be *** and friends
so bad, he'll want you.

675
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,240
Yeah.
He do not want you.

676
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,440
And the fact that even him and
Victor just like have this, you

677
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,600
know, looking at, you know, not
speaking, but acknowledging we

678
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,440
know what's going on and like
that non verbal shorthand

679
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,920
between them.
Yeah.

680
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,240
And so you mad and you ran a
toll, right, Because what was

681
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,560
the the thing?
Well, I'm sorry, This is I think

682
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,320
you Steven asked me why he ain't
do it, why you ran straight to

683
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,240
you know what I'm saying?
He could've told you.

684
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,520
I saw a kid.
You know how to tell you which

685
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,360
kid, But because.
But that's the thing Crow had no

686
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,680
women and kids thinking, ain't
I'm not doing.

687
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Yep, he he should know that.
So for me to see a kid, let me

688
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:55,240
let the kid get clear.
Right, right.

689
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,320
But then.
They don't get theirs.

690
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,040
That's all I'm saying.
They don't get theirs.

691
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,720
If you really want to do, you
could have told which kid

692
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,160
because the Dahmer would have
been like, oh, OK, you saved my

693
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,840
you saved my child because she
had some kind of strange

694
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:15,120
connection to, to Herschel.
So you could have done that.

695
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,240
But the whole thing when she
talked about the fact that

696
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:21,240
Victor was a violinist, Oh,
yeah, I heard you have a violin

697
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,480
hit somewhere.
You know, the Croat told that

698
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,320
too, because, you know, our last
episode.

699
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,000
So when she started saying that,
I was like, oh, she's about to

700
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,320
do the whole thing where she's
going to crush his fingers or

701
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,600
she's going to break his
fingers.

702
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,440
I thought that I didn't think
she was going to kill him

703
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,440
because because why?
Why would she kill him?

704
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,520
All all he did was follow
directions.

705
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,800
You put Negan in charge.
So if Negan says wait, why would

706
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,480
he question that?
No, it wasn't.

707
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,360
It wasn't the weight.
If you look and go back to that

708
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,400
when they were on KOAT saw the
the non verbal communication

709
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,040
between them two.
Yeah.

710
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,960
So it, it, it wasn't the weight,
it was the, you know.

711
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:04,360
It was.
Are you sure?

712
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:05,720
Yeah.
Yeah.

713
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,440
And that's called jealousy.
So that wasn't he do what

714
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,680
absolutely happen.
So of course.

715
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,000
He going to run till.
Because he knew what was going

716
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,480
to happen.
Yeah.

717
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,360
And she want to make sure she
keep nigging and check that at

718
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,840
any moment I can kill anybody
around you.

719
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,560
You know what I I'm I'm waiting
for her to get her come up.

720
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,360
If she is not dead by the end of
this season, I'm going to be

721
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,560
mad.
I'm going to be mad.

722
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,160
I'm be like, I do not want to
see the third season with this

723
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,480
bitch in it.
I don't.

724
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,960
She without a back story like we
need more.

725
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,640
They're gonna have to tell us
something.

726
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,240
They got they got to cause
'cause she bores me.

727
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,920
She really does.
I just every time she's on the

728
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,840
screen, I'm like, oh God, do I
have to?

729
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,640
OK, what are what are we doing
today?

730
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,960
But they but we talked about
this last week.

731
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,600
It's they need to do more
period.

732
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,120
Yeah, I need the care.
Yeah.

733
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,640
I don't really care.
And and that's the, you know, I

734
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,200
was thinking about.
So we try not we, we try not to

735
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,120
compare the shows because the
shows are all doing their

736
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:13,880
individual thing, but they are
all Walking Dead shows, which

737
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,360
means that there should be a
thread of continuity with

738
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,960
certain things.
One of the things that the show

739
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,360
did very well with the main
show, and I will say the ones

740
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,800
who live and with Daryl Dixon,
you gave us these secondary

741
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,160
groups of characters that we
cared about for one reason or

742
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,000
the other.
They may have gotten on our

743
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,960
nerves, but we cared about what
happened with them.

744
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,840
Like like in Darrell Dixon,
Isabel was kind of a weird thing

745
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,240
because like I said, it seemed
like they kept trying to pair

746
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:45,520
them off.
And I'm like, I don't need

747
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,480
Darrell to have a love interest.
I need Darrell to have a friend.

748
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,920
OK, once once they started
moving on, like, OK, this

749
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,920
direction they want to go in,
fine.

750
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,160
But then when they killed her,
we felt that, you know.

751
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,640
Yeah.
With the ones who live Nat,

752
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,640
that's all I'm going to say. 1
episode and made us care so

753
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,520
deeply for this character that
it felt like we had been gut

754
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,040
punched when he died with Dead
City.

755
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,040
You are not really giving me
that in these secondary

756
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,280
characters.
Maybe the Croat because first

757
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,760
season he was interesting, but
in this season, like like you

758
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,160
said, he's a he's a lap dog and
it just takes a lot of the

759
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,080
interest out of that character.
I don't care about the Dhamma.

760
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,880
I obviously don't care about the
New Babylonians.

761
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,440
I mean.
So it's like who?

762
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,480
Are we supposed to care about
Hershel?

763
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,600
We care about just because we
literally have followed his

764
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,640
story from the beginning.
He's still getting on my nerves.

765
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:54,160
Doing dumb shit like like
setting a fire signal so that

766
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,720
they will know that they're
coming because you're thinking

767
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,160
oh OK, well maybe if I set the
signal.

768
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,200
You think Herschel did it?
That's why Maggie was looking at

769
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,720
the book at when he was wrapping
up the lady's leg with the blue

770
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,640
bandage, because there was a
blue bandage on that, on those

771
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,120
tires.
OK, yeah, I think Herschel did

772
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,560
that because Herschel knew the
signal.

773
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,280
I don't know what the Again, we
don't know what he and the

774
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Dhamma discussed.
We know that he does seem to

775
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,960
have some kind of weird link to
her, so maybe it was him trying

776
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:37,000
to go back over there or maybe
it was OK if I set this fire.

777
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,880
We know that's what this means,
that the somebody's signaling to

778
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,680
the Croat.
Maybe once mom goes and tells

779
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,720
them that they will stop what
they're doing and they will turn

780
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,120
around.
I'm thinking that's what he

781
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,080
wanted to happen.
He just wanted them to be able

782
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,280
to go home.
And then everything got so

783
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,640
messed up because Novias
threatened him.

784
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,200
Maggie Punch Novias, they ended
up in the Brig.

785
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:05,120
That's why he was so, so numb
when he was down there, cuz she

786
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,360
was one.
She was fussing at him because

787
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,080
she was like, This is why I
didn't want you to come.

788
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,960
Herschel thought he was going to
come and save the day and get

789
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,120
them all back home and now
you've put them in more trouble.

790
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,440
And then when Maggie sees the
the scar for the whatever that

791
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:24,720
is and the look of horror on her
face because she was like, he's

792
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:26,680
the reason all these people are
dead now.

793
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:34,960
Technically, if you think about
it, his actions killed all of

794
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,880
them.
It put them all on that island

795
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,640
now and they're all in danger.
They don't have the army that

796
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,400
they had.
They don't have their weapons.

797
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,640
They are literally Walker bait
now.

798
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,640
Yeah.
And that was her realizing.

799
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,840
I think that was the other
thing.

800
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,240
That's why you see Herschel kind
of with the change of heart,

801
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,680
like when they were getting
ready to lose the light, the

802
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,640
lifeboat, and she told Jenny to
do it.

803
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,480
And he was like, she's my mom.
Go check on the others.

804
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,880
Because again, in last episode,
they had that argument because

805
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Maggie didn't want Jenny to
come.

806
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,160
And Jenny was like, you're not
my mom, OK?

807
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,320
Herschel's like, OK, you don't
want her to be your mom.

808
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,520
Bet you let me help her.
You go do the other stuff.

809
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,920
Because I think Hersch in
Herschel's mind, trying to make

810
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,960
sure his mom is safe, he's like,
I don't want her to be here.

811
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,000
I don't you know, he, he's been
saying the whole time, what why

812
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,360
does it have to be you?
Why do you have to go this that

813
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,880
another Herschel thought he was
coming to save the day and he

814
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,000
actually made things worse,
which is why he had that little

815
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,680
confession when when he sat
there.

816
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,840
And that's why Maggie was
looking so horrified the whole

817
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,240
time he was talking.
He was like, I messed things up.

818
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,480
I'm so sorry, mom.
I'm sorry for everything from

819
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,400
the beginning.
I love you because he realized

820
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,040
he could have got his mom
killed.

821
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,000
And I think I think at that
moment, he was just kind of

822
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,720
like, wow, I really fucked up.
And then Maggie's sitting there

823
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,760
thinking like, oh, wow, he
really fucked up.

824
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,240
And probably thinking about
herself also fucking up because

825
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:06,040
if she hadn't volunteered to go
there, then none of this would

826
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,200
happen.
So it's just kind of like that

827
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,520
horrible realization of what
happened.

828
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,600
But yeah, when when I saw her
looking at him when he was

829
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,520
bandaging, bandaging the lady's
leg, it's just like she's just

830
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,960
looking and it's like all of a
sudden something click, her face

831
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,560
just went and you see the tears
in her eyes.

832
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,880
I was like, yeah, this is going
to be a thing.

833
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,080
Because at this point, again, he
could have been doing that

834
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,960
really just to save them so that
they could turn around and go

835
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,160
home, or he could have been
signaling so that they would

836
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,120
come and find him and he goes
back to the Dhamma.

837
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,320
We don't know what what happened
with them.

838
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,560
I'm pretty sure she probably
brainwashed him in some way.

839
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,280
But now it's, it's just one of
those things where now you've

840
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,200
got you're on the island and if
you saw the preview for next

841
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,880
week, you do see that him and
the Dhamma are going to be in a

842
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,800
room together.
So at some point she finds out

843
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,960
he's there.
Now, whether it's because he

844
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,640
went to go look for her or she
just had the Croat happens to

845
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,520
find him, I don't know.
But yeah, I think Herschel is.

846
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,440
I think I saw a comment
somewhere that says they think

847
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,640
they're about to push Herschel
to behave closer to his comic

848
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,440
book counterpart, which means
we're about to get an asshole

849
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,480
Herschel.
So I'm like, OK, that might make

850
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,000
things a little bit more.
Oh my God.

851
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,200
I mean, because at this point,
asshole Herschel has to be more

852
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,760
interesting than Adama, right?
And maybe he's the one that gets

853
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,440
rid of Novaeus.
I don't know.

854
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:56,520
But it it this whole thing, this
whole episode was just, it was

855
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,400
just crazy, yes.
Oh wait, one question.

856
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,920
Why Jenny got a gun?
Probably because she I'm

857
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,920
thinking.
You think it's funny?

858
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,360
Yeah, I'm thinking she's
probably still holding on to

859
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,040
that whole I killed your father
thing, and she thinks she's

860
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,800
going to come to New York and
kill him.

861
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,160
And again, I'm going to
reiterate, I don't think he

862
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,800
killed her father, or if he did
kill her father, I don't think

863
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,400
he gave her the full details.
Because if he killed her father,

864
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,840
chances are it's because his
father was part of that group

865
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,160
that that attacked Annie.
Because other than that, Negan

866
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,040
was trying to live on the
straight and narrow.

867
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:43,400
So I, I don't know, but I need
Jenny to understand too.

868
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,600
This ain't, this ain't Negan's
first rodeo.

869
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,760
I mean, I, I get it that he may
not do anything to her because

870
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:56,200
when she is a kid too, she did
become kind of like a daughter

871
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,280
figure to him.
So I don't think he would do

872
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,680
anything against her.
He probably would even let her

873
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,760
be like, OK, if you gonna shoot
me, just just shoot me.

874
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,240
He may do that.
We already know he's probably

875
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:09,560
expecting that's gonna happen
with him and Herschel at some

876
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,760
point.
But if somebody else finds her

877
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,440
trying to do that, like let's
say the Croat, the wannabe

878
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,120
bestie, he's not gonna have any
qualms about doing that to a

879
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:25,480
child because he's already done
that before to someone that.

880
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,880
And the fact that they know that
there's a child coming.

881
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,840
Right.
Because if if he tells them that

882
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:40,360
there is a child coming, the
fact that he did hesitate that

883
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:45,720
long, if they can put and I
don't know if they actually can

884
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:48,720
do this because nothing that
we've seen from them so far

885
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,360
infers this.
But if they can put two and two

886
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,760
together, they might be able to
guess that it's either Jenny or

887
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,000
Herschel that he saw.
But they don't know about Jenny.

888
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,600
They don't.
They don't know about Jenny.

889
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,720
Cur, Curly.
Curly know about Jenny?

890
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:07,840
You're.
Never.

891
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,200
Jenny never made it.
I don't think they do.

892
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,480
They don't know about Jenny.
OK.

893
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:20,160
Jenny never made it so hmm.
Only one that knows about Jenny

894
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,760
is Everybody in the Bricks and
Megan.

895
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,720
So maybe, look, maybe Jenny's
not coming to kill *** maybe

896
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,760
she's coming to kill the Croat,
maybe she's, I don't know.

897
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,920
About him, well, I mean, unless
Herschel said anything that, you

898
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,800
know, they really don't have
information on them.

899
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,480
On the Croat, yeah, she would.
She probably would have heard it

900
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,480
from Maggie.
And then of course, that's all

901
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,080
they're talking about right
there with the New Babylonians.

902
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,480
So yeah, I'm sure she knows
something.

903
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,200
And we all, we already know
Jenny, she likes to listen when

904
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:53,880
when it's not her business.
So yeah.

905
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,080
Go sit down somewhere, Jimmy.
But you know what?

906
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,760
She's the only one that has a
weapon at this point, so let's

907
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,240
just.
We can use her for later.

908
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,680
Excuse her for a minute, let's
see what she's planning on

909
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,680
doing.
Because I'm going to kill

910
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,560
anybody on that end.
Oh, OK.

911
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,360
I, I can be, can be good with
that.

912
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,680
Now she's coming for Negan.
I'm a need a little bit more

913
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,640
elaboration on that back story
because I don't think he would

914
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,720
have just killed her father just
to kill her father that again,

915
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:27,480
we've talked about this before.
Megan doesn't kill people just

916
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,480
to kill people.
Something had to have happened.

917
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,000
Maybe the father got attacked by
the same type of people.

918
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,520
Maybe the father was already
close to dead and Megan put him

919
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,960
out as I just don't think that
he would have just randomly saw

920
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,000
a guy and and just killed him
because nothing that we know

921
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,520
about his character shows that
he would do that.

922
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,440
There's always a reason for his
killing.

923
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:57,080
Even when he was being savior
Dick, you know, leader, he

924
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,080
always gave people a choice.
OK, you can either come live

925
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,720
with us or, you know, whatever.
But it was, it was basically to

926
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:08,680
keep all the other people alive,
not just the people we saw.

927
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,560
There were women and children in
the sanctuary that we only saw

928
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,920
every once in a while, but he
was trying to keep everybody

929
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,320
alive.
You know that that was that

930
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,800
whole little power trip that
kind of got to his head where he

931
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,320
forgot he was supposed to be
acting a part where he actually

932
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,640
started acting like a Dick.
But I mean, if you see him now,

933
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,240
you see this is not the person
that he wants to be.

934
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,880
But y'all gonna push him and he.
Gonna be the person y'all don't

935
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,120
want to see.
Right.

936
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,400
Because even though you you're
going to push him to a point

937
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,480
where he's not even the old
Negan, you push the.

938
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,280
New and improved Negan.
That part you push up.

939
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:58,120
To a point where he gonna be
like I he wish.

940
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,480
Why they're gonna like it.
But they already have.

941
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,600
They already have pushed him.
I say that he's absolutely

942
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,160
already.
Because you say his face?

943
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,720
What?
She did tonight, right?

944
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:09,960
What she did tonight just was
like, OK, killing.

945
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,040
Victor even after he was.
I just saw a kid.

946
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,280
You ain't got to do nothing to
him.

947
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,240
This is between this I'm I'm the
one.

948
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,560
Right.
And you still did it.

949
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,000
But you know, also with her that
to to meet to give my opinion.

950
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,960
She think that's a sign of
weakness because why are you

951
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,120
giving a fuck about this mother
fucker?

952
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:36,520
You know what I mean?
We especially, especially when

953
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,960
she has been trying everything
for a year.

954
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,000
He has not been responsive.
That's what she said to Victor.

955
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,880
She was like, oh, OK, he'll let
you in.

956
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,160
That's something rare.
That's something he doesn't do

957
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,000
and are.
You mad?

958
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,280
That's not.
True, that whole jealousy thing,

959
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,920
but again, there's.
A certain way you have to

960
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,600
approach a man like me and what
you're doing is not it.

961
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,840
It would have been a way easier
way to get him to do what you

962
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,560
need him to do.
This ain't it.

963
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,160
Kidnapping and hunting him down
and now you don't took his wife

964
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,720
and.
Yeah, but see the problem?

965
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,720
The problem is, and I think I
saw Jeffrey Dean Morgan say this

966
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:24,440
in a in an interview somewhere,
that old Negan that the Croat

967
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,920
knew that was a man who was
acting, who was doing what he

968
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,720
needed to do to survive and to
make sure that he was not at

969
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:38,840
anybody else's mercy ever again
after what happened to his wife

970
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:44,200
because of those people
capturing him, keeping him

971
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,200
captive.
And then, you know, all that

972
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,760
other stuff, he said.
I'm not going to be in a

973
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,520
position where anybody puts me
like that again.

974
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,360
You understand?
When he was with the

975
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:01,760
Alexandrians and they had him
locked up, you saw how he was

976
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,320
acting.
He didn't want to be there.

977
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,080
He didn't want to be locked up.
He was.

978
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,800
He basically was like, kill me.
I can't do this.

979
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:18,480
He doesn't like, he doesn't like
not being in control.

980
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,520
But I think he also learned some
lessons when he was locked up

981
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,360
with the Alexandras, when he was
living among them, when he was

982
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,160
fighting with them.
You know, there are other ways

983
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,400
to do things and still remain
powerful.

984
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,440
There are other ways to do
things and still keep your

985
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,080
people safe.
But they they not doing that.

986
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:50,280
They, I think the Croat
romanticized how Megan was not

987
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,960
taking into full account that
Megan was still a person who had

988
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,520
boundaries and there were still
things that he wasn't going to

989
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,320
do being Megan or not.
He's still Megan.

990
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,440
Being Megan still had a level of
respect for women and children.

991
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:07,080
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, exactly.

992
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:13,280
Whereas the crow at and and dama
is like do what we say #1 you

993
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:18,040
never going to get Megan to
kneel to say I am Megan. *** was

994
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,480
like, Nope, I'm gonna go sit in
this.

995
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,280
I'm gonna go sit in this cell
and eat cockroaches for a year

996
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,680
before I do what you want.
Me.

997
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,760
To and if they they say.
I have been put out of better

998
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:28,760
places.
Right.

999
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,440
Right.
If they hadn't found Annie and

1000
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,320
Joshua, I think he would still
be sitting in that cell refusing

1001
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,840
to do whatever.
Yep.

1002
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:43,760
So we all know that.
So yeah, Maggie and them are on

1003
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,120
the island now.
We found out that Herschel

1004
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,600
anyway, so now we just got to
see what's going to happen

1005
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,640
because at some point these two
groups are going to meet up

1006
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,760
together.
Now I don't know what Novias is

1007
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,680
good for, aside from running off
at the mouth.

1008
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,280
She has no.
Hopefully she can fight.

1009
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,680
We'll see, but she has no
weapons.

1010
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:17,480
She she does seem like she has a
little bit of a loss of

1011
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,800
confidence because like Pearly
told her, she's right.

1012
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,400
Everything that she said the
whole time was right.

1013
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,720
That's a hard lesson to swallow
and to be humbled by when you're

1014
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,400
looking at most of the people
you brought on this trip.

1015
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,840
Blow the fuck?
Up come to you as walkers and

1016
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,920
the other half are in the in in
the the water.

1017
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,320
Don't forget there's walkers in
the water.

1018
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,520
Don't forget there's walkers in
the water.

1019
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:56,040
Yeah, so I I don't know she, I
don't know she can die next

1020
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,800
episode for all I care.
I really don't.

1021
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,600
And, and going back to what we
were saying about Dead City,

1022
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,440
they keep introducing us to
these characters that we really

1023
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,520
just we don't get a chance to
connect about to connect with

1024
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,040
and we just really don't care
about.

1025
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,600
They did this in the first
season too.

1026
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,200
With that I I forgot what the
name of the group.

1027
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,200
Was I did too and even the
couple who was pregnant.

1028
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,080
That killed everybody off in the
first season.

1029
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,600
Everybody.
Right, everybody, by the time

1030
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:29,680
you get ready to care for them
in the sixth episode, you find

1031
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,440
out she's pregnant.
Oh, OK.

1032
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,040
Then you find out the dude is
the reason why y'all are there

1033
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,200
in the 1st place.
He's the reason why most of your

1034
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,360
people are dead.
And then they die.

1035
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:44,280
You just kind of like, OK, OK,
so I I don't know what they're

1036
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,560
doing.
I need some characters to care

1037
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,080
about.
I started to care a little bit

1038
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,760
about victim, but I was like,
oh, he gonna end up dead just

1039
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,120
because Megan.
Cares about.

1040
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,400
He had hope.
He had hope.

1041
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:57,600
You know, they kill anybody with
hope.

1042
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,200
No hope.
No, hope is not hopelessness.

1043
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,800
You know what?
I do not need you mimicking

1044
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,360
Anthony's model.
They had hope.

1045
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:16,080
No, so I don't know.
I, I just, I don't know, like

1046
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,400
Maggie is I, I would say this
Maggie is getting on my nerves

1047
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,400
less so far in this show, but we
also haven't seen her with me

1048
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,800
yet, so that could change.
Right.

1049
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,360
And she's actually has done
solid things, things that are

1050
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,520
reasonable except for going back
to the Commonwealth, but that's

1051
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,120
we don't need to talk about that
last week, but it.

1052
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,480
Ended before it started.
Followed in this episode of What

1053
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,000
You Supposed to be Doing?
So yeah, everyone else is dumb.

1054
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,200
Right, like I need them to
listen to her.

1055
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,240
I need, I need the next time
Novias opens her mouth to try to

1056
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,520
give an order.
I need all of them to look at

1057
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,040
her and say fuck.
She going to listen?

1058
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:04,160
To her going.
To be bitten by a Walker or

1059
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,800
she'll be shot or thrown off a
building.

1060
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,920
I mean, she could already have
an injury because you know that,

1061
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,640
that explosion.
Right, I'm just wondering how

1062
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,920
this is going to happen.
At at this point I don't I I

1063
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,080
really would like to see Maggie
kill her though.

1064
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,800
I really would.
It's the law.

1065
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,080
You don't have to arrest her.
It's the law, really.

1066
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,280
The law all the way out here.
Girl, really?

1067
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:29,880
Come on if.
You if you don't let, let.

1068
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,240
Me know you're trying to.
Get this power here.

1069
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,280
So I'm kind of confused.
You did threaten her kid.

1070
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,880
I'm confused.
Yeah, it's.

1071
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:42,400
OK, so again, reiterating what
we learned in this episode or

1072
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,640
what we carried over from the
first episode, we don't care

1073
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,080
about the New Babylonians.
We don't really care about the

1074
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,760
Dom and her people.
Nope.

1075
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,760
Yeah, That that's that's pretty
much par for the course so far.

1076
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,240
Season 2.
Maggie, people.

1077
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,560
She's supposed Maggie Herschel.
And and Jenny.

1078
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,040
Yep, and Negan 4.
Are you not in?

1079
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,200
Jenny just 'cause she a teen
Jenny still.

1080
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:12,480
Right.
And you know what?

1081
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,720
And Jenny has the trauma.
She has the.

1082
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,920
Trauma, I mean.
She's just going to be really, I

1083
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,960
don't care, but since she's a
teen, I'm going to care for.

1084
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:25,760
Yeah, and plus I need, I need to
see like I need to see her and

1085
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,640
Negan together again to get the
full story of what happened

1086
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,800
because y'all know me.
I'm all about the background

1087
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,280
story.
I need to understand characters

1088
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,600
motivations.
And again, I just don't see

1089
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,720
Megan just randomly killing her
dad for no reason and then

1090
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,560
killing her dad and then coming
coming for her or, you know,

1091
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,640
allowing her to tag along with
him knowing that he just does

1092
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,040
not seem that type.
Like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna carry

1093
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,320
a living reminder of the
bullshit I did.

1094
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,720
No, it there had to be a
different reason.

1095
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:04,520
And I would like to hear it.
So we're going to continue

1096
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:09,400
talking about this show, but
also as a reminder, ATL Comic

1097
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:13,400
Convention is not next weekend,
but the weekend after the 18th,

1098
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:17,960
19th and 20th.
We will be presenting panels at

1099
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,400
ATL Comic Convention about the
ones who live, Daryl Dixon.

1100
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:29,480
And we will continue our what if
Maggie Rhee was the villain, the

1101
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,280
next TWD villain, which I don't
know if I feel that with the way

1102
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,560
they're taking her character
this season.

1103
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,680
So maybe that'll change.
We're also going to do to Anita

1104
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,960
Smith panel.
So if you are in Atlanta that

1105
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,760
weekend, please come to our
panels.

1106
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,200
If you check out our blog on
phantomhybrid.com, you will see

1107
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,920
our full schedule.
We are doing 6 panels all

1108
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,720
together.
We'll also be talking about

1109
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,160
Interview with the Vampire
Season 2.

1110
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,560
That'll be me and Michelle.
And then me, Michelle, and

1111
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,120
Anthony will be talking about
The Last of Us Season 2.

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So if you're in Atlanta, come
say hi.

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Let us know.
But unless you guys have any

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final thoughts about this
episode?

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Listen to Maggie.
Right, and on that note, that is

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it for our show.
You can find us online at

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www.phantomhybrid.com.
We are on social media, on all

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the social media at Phantom
Hybrid.

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You can chat with us on our
Discord channel.

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You can watch our videos on our
YouTube channel, and you can

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listen to us on all major
podcast streaming platforms.

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Thanks for listening.
We hope you join the

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conversation next time.