The Walking Dead: Dead City Season 2 Episode 3 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #365

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Haniko and I'm here with

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Casey and we are discussing
episode 3 of Season 2, Walking

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Dead Dead City.
Michelle is not joining us

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tonight, so we're going to try
to hold it down without her.

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Well, where do I want to start?
OK, let's let's let's start with

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the flashbacks because we're
starting to get a little bit of

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the back story between the
Dhamma and Herschel.

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Yeah.
I don't know what the Dhamma did

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in her past life, but she's very
convincing.

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And to a kid like Herschel, I'm
sitting here looking and it's

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it's like you can see him in, in
the flashbacks with the Dhamma.

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And then even in present day
when he's talking to Maggie,

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whatever Logan Kim is doing with
his face, he needs to keep doing

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it.
Because when he is in the

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presence of the Dhamma in the
flashbacks and when he's talking

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to Maggie, his face kind of
takes on a, like, a faraway

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look, like he's getting fuzzy.
And I was like, this

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motherfucker.
Brainwash as fuck.

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Yeah.
Like, you took my name.

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You took my screen name.
I was going to put brainwash and

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you took it.
But I was watching this, like,

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this is really interesting.
Yeah.

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Because you know for.
Me.

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It was after you were slang last
week or last episode.

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I'm sorry, I'm just playing last
episode that it was her show

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that started the fire.
Once I finished this, you know,

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once I got into this episode how
it showed how the demo basically

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groomed him, and once I recalled
back to that like little mole.

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Oh, OK.
Yeah.

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It it it find the click for me
and I'm like, but we you.

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But in my mind, we should have
known that like I think we did.

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But it's, it's one thing
thinking it and then to to

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actually see it happening in
quote UN quote real time.

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And, and it's like she didn't
even, it's almost like she

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didn't even have to lead up to
it.

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Like she saw Herschel and I
don't know, maybe she knew a

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little bit about the background
because the Croat said

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something.
She was just like, Oh, I can

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exploit this because she came in
all nice.

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Oh, I'm so sorry.
You were, you know, you were

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tied up like this.
Do you want some peanut brittle?

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Oh, wait a minute.
You wouldn't even know what that

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is.
And da da, da, da.

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And she comes across as like,
just very, I don't want to say

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innocent, but kind of, you know,
nice.

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And then almost immediately,
like, I think the next meeting

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that we see is when she starts
going in about, yeah, I heard

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about what that man Negan did to
your father and da, da, da, da.

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And you start to see that's a
trigger for Herschel, even

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though with Maggie, he doesn't
seem to let on.

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But with this person, stranger,
what is she going to do?

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So it's like, yeah, you know, I
really don't care.

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But she, you know, she's so
obsessed him that I can't even,

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and it's just, you know, we see
that repeat it later on.

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He's like, I can't even talk
about how I feel about the thing

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which we, we've had these
discussions about.

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And the DOMA just kind of slides
on in there.

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Well, I can't imagine her having
to go through that and live

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through that.
And I had something that

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happened to me too.
And it was hard for me to go

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through and I had to deal with
it alone.

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And she, she hasn't been able to
heal.

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And how is she supposed to, you
know, the one person who's

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supposed to be there for you?
She can't because I was sitting

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here like right what?
Right, and it also then now

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explains all the animosity
because remember before I was

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like he need to talk to his God
damn Mama.

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But this now explains why he had
the attitude, why he was feeling

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some type of way because she
done planted all these damn

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scenes in your mind.
Like if she really scared about

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you, if she when she's so
focused on herself and she's so

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focused about what, where does
that leave you?

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And.
What I.

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See you.
Yeah, he was spitting back to

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her, 'cause remember when it
was.

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Exactly.
And got in the car and he was

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like, you just focused on you
and what you want.

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You can't see the big picture.
You can't see no laser focus on

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me again.
When I say when, when she said

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that in this episode, when she
said I see you, I was like, Oh

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my God.
So now it's like I feel like

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once this season is over, I need
to go back and look at the other

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stuff with, with Herschel and
Maggie and see if he is spitting

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out everything that she said to
him.

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Because just from what she, what
we saw in this episode, remember

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this is episode 3.
And contrary to what we said

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last week, this season has 8
episodes, not 6.

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So I'm sure we're going to see
more, especially because they're

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still in Manhattan and at, at
some point, I feel like they're

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going to have to meet face to
face.

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So I, I just want to know how
Herschel and the Dahmer, OK at

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some point, because there are
too many things that have

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happened just in these three
episodes.

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Herschel setting the fire, you
know, the Dhamma already knowing

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that Negan was trying to save
somebody.

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And I think she figured out
then, especially when he said it

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was just a kid.
It was just a kid.

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I think she knew it was
Herschel.

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Yeah.
Because in this episode, when

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she's talking to him and she's
talking about the things that

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they're going to have to do to
protect this new world they're

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trying to bring.
And she said, and when you get

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home, there may be some things
that you have to do there that

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you might not necessarily like.
I was like, wait a minute.

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I'm sitting here trying to
figure out if Herschel is the

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spot.
Like, is there some kind of way

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he's getting word back to her?
I don't know if I feel like he's

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sophisticated enough to do that
yet.

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But if she's grooming him in
this way and she's brainwashing

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him, ain't no telling what he's
doing.

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I mean, he already knew how to
send the signal.

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So at some point she probably
told him, if you make it back to

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the city, do this and I'll know
you're here.

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And and yeah, it's it's like it
makes you look at Herschel in a

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different light because, you
know, up until this point, we're

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looking at him as just an angry
child, spoiled child, whatever,

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which he is.
All of those things.

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And if you also got somebody, if
you got that bad Angel sitting

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on your shoulder whispering in
your ear, that's gonna escalated

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because there are times like the
the time when he found the girl

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from from the new group we meet
in this episode.

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His facial expression is
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He looks more childlike.
He looks more innocent.

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He looks more free.
He looks more, you know, him.

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And I was like, it's such a
it's, it's very subtle, but it's

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such a difference the way his
face is when he's with other

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people and then the way he is
with Maggie, especially when

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he's upset with Maggie.
But like that talk they had in

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the I think they're called the
foragers in their little cafe

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headquarters When she was like,
you remember when I asked you if

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the city had a had some kind of
pull on you?

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You told me no, but does it?
She said, I just need to

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understand.
And the way he looked, he was

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looking at her like, and I was
just, I was like, dude.

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What is?
Are you even?

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Really here 'cause he, he had
that kind of far what the, what

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they describe in books, that far
off glassy look, that's how he

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looked.
And I was like, oh, this helper

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did a number on him.
And I just, I don't know if

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Maggie is, I don't know if she's
equipped to deal with that

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because I don't think they've
really had a situation that

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they've dealt with where someone
was brainwashed like that.

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Not to that degree.
I mean, you had, you probably

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had your saviors who were to
some extent, but that was more

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so because most of them were
trying to survive.

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And they were like scared of me
again, because he had gotten

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into that character so much that
he started being this person.

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And they're like, yeah, no, we
ain't, we ain't fucking with

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him, you know what I'm saying?
But yeah, that the whole

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Herschel and Damma thing, it's
so strange because she she does

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the thing first where they they
have him tied up.

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She lets him go, she gives him
the peanut brittle.

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She tells him she's going to
bring him a bed and a blanket.

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And then you see him at another
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And I'm assuming this is
probably maybe a few days or a

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few weeks later because I can't
remember how long he was there

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before they rescued him.
But he has like a desk in his,

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in his little cell room,
whatever you want to call it.

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And he's drawing.
And that's when she comes in.

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She starts having a conversation
with him, but she's also giving

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him, you know, more food.
She's making it seem like she's

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befriending him.
And like she, oh, I've been,

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I've been so lonely this whole
time.

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And, you know, now I have a
little friend to talk to, and

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she leaves the door kind of
cracked open.

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And so at night, that night, he
tries to go out and there's, of

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course, a Walker there that he
has to fight off.

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And when it's almost getting
him, she kills it.

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She was like, oh, I'm so sorry
that you had to deal with that.

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And oh, I'm so glad you found
your way out.

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Let me show you something.
It's like fish.

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Ain't no other walkers in your
hallway.

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We know you planted that Walker
just specifically for this

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purpose.
But of course, I don't think

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again, Hershel, I think at this
time is like 13, 'cause I think

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I saw a time, I saw a timeline
somewhere that was like, he's

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supposed to be 19 now.
And like, I'm like, no, I don't

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think he's, I don't think he's
that old, I don't think.

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But she takes him into this,
this other room.

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And the room has lots of art.
It has paintings, it has

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sculptures.
It has everything that would

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appeal to a young artist.
And he's looking around.

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Even when he looks at the
sculpture of the mask that she

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says was by her favorite artist,
he has that dreamy look again,

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like, oh, and I was like, that's
how she's getting him because

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she's letting him know things
that are important to her,

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things that she cares about,
things that she liked.

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And then she's showing them to
him.

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And I was like, this is where
Maggie Lawson, because I don't.

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She probably has never done that
with him, right, You know,

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because if she's been all this
obsessed with with Megan and

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still living in the past, I
mean, how long has it been?

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Has Maggie even been with
anybody else?

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Like, I understand having a type
of love for someone that is

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everlasting, but what she's
doing is so unhealthy, not just

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for her but for Herschel, too.
Yeah, you know, and so you see

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him and he's looking, he's you
can tell he feels connected to

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her.
And then she closes the damn

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door and turns the thing on and
the whole room starts shaking

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and they're on an elevator.
That's what I thought when I say

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I said she don't build the whole
room in the elevator.

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But then you have to remember
they're in that big ass theater.

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So I'm sure the elevators is
probably like a service

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elevator.
But yeah, novel idea.

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Yeah, I think I want an elevator
room.

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But yes, I I I thought that but
I've never seen no elevator with

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no window.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So outside.
Yeah, OK.

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Maybe I'm sheltered.
No.

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Well, I mean, because the
Peachtree Plaza has an elevator

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that if you if you think about
the Westin the Westin Peachtree

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Plaza downtown, the big one
circular building, there's all

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sphere on the side that is an
elevator and it it and it looks

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out on.
Yeah.

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OK, And then I'm supposed to try
that.

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Hello.
Steve Rogers fought he fought

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hydrate You are after the
windows.

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Was that around?
But that kind of old timey

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elevator is, I agree, that's
kind of weird.

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But the thing with that though,
and I think it's genius, is also

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she says that Herschel probably
has never felt at home anywhere.

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Because I mean, think about it,
when he was a kid, him and

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Maggie moved around.
They they went to her grandpa,

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her grandmother's house in South
Carolina for a little bit.

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And then they were on the road.
And then they were with Jordy

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Georgie, and then they were with
Meridian.

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And then they came to
Commonwealth and now they're at

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the bricks.
So Herschel, I don't think has

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ever had a sense of permanence.
So even when we when we saw the

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first episode of this season,
when he and Maggie were going

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into his room, you know, they
were talking about giving his

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desk to another family, he was
just like, yeah, I don't really

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use it anymore anyway, so it's
fine.

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But if you looked at his room
compared to the to the room she

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built him, his room was very
bare.

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It didn't really have a lot of
personal effects.

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So the fact that this woman who,
you know, I guess it's kind of

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sort of your captor if depending
on what his mindset was, she

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created a whole room for him
because he was like, what is

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this?
Is this your room?

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She was like, no, this is yours.
I had this created especially

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for you.
And you can see the awe on his

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face, like nobody has ever done
this for me.

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Yeah.
He.

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He never had no room.
Now we've moved around and in

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the room, he you do have that,
the bricks.

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Yeah, like I said, it's very,
very basic, very minimal.

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Isn't is, is not personalized at
all.

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And he's just, he, I just don't
think he's ever really felt a

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sense of belonging.
And I think maybe that kind of

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goes back to the whole
Commonwealth thing too, that I

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was talking about last week.
Even though he was there and he

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had Judith and Hersh, I mean, RJ
and Gracie and what other kids

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were there, he probably still
kind of sort of felt like an

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outsider.
These are kids who have been

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together for years and he was
just coming in.

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And then of course, they, they
moved to the Commonwealth and

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that's another move from
Alexandria to the Commonwealth,

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even though Alexandra was
already kind of rough when they

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got there.
But I, I just think she, she saw

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a way to get to him and she did
it.

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And when she saw his drawing,
she complimented his drawings.

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And, you know, she didn't think
anything about what he was

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drawing was weird because he was
drawing the city the way he saw

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it.
And then, of course, she brings

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up she was like, somebody else
would have fixed it.

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He was like, I don't even know
what these buildings look like

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before.
Why?

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But how would I do that?
Yeah.

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So he was like, but I don't
think they need fix.

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And I think they they're fine
the way they are.

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And then you hear him later on
in the episode talking to

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Maggie.
He says everybody's looking at

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the city like it's broken.
It's it's abandoned, he said.

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And I don't see it that way.
It was like, yes, broken, it's

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abandoned, but it's also
beautiful.

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And it, it can be something
else.

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And you kind of felt like he was
talking about himself.

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And I think Maggie kind of
picked up on that, too, because

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her face looked horrified.
Like, is this how it been making

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him feel?
Yes, yes.

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You have been so caught up in
your grief that you have not

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thought about what it's doing to
your child.

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And I'm not saying that she
shouldn't grieve.

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Yes, you can grieve.
You can still grieve.

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You still be triggered.
But.

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There has to be a point where,
yes, you know, these things

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trigger you, yes, you know, they
bother, but they're you have to

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be able to in a sense, live with
it so that you can move.

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On especially in the midst of a
zombie apocalypse, you have a

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lot of loss that you've dealt
with.

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You will probably deal with more
loss.

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You can't shut down every single
time something like that

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happens.
Because what's going to happen

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if you're, let's say, in a
situation where you're in a park

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overgrown with trees and walkers
are coming out of the place and

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you get separated from your son?
What are you going to do then?

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And I mean, we see what she
does, but it's kind of like, are

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you really thinking straight
when you're doing it?

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Are you just like, I got to go
find my son.

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I got to go find my son.
Maggie is very tunnel visiony

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like she has, I said this one
track mind.

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This is my goal.
This is what I'm.

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Doing and I don't care what I
have to do in order to get it,

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because my thought is if it, and
this is, I mean, we get, I get

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it, We need a show.
We need but if you this upset

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with me again you wouldn't give
give a damn what happened to him

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after you dropped his ass off to
the Croat.

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Like you wouldn't have cared
after season 1.

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You wouldn't have had to go back
and save him.

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You would have just said fuck
him.

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His fate is his fate.
Man, OK, so I've been thinking

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about that a lot in light of us
talking about the show.

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And then because we have a panel
coming up where we discussed

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Maggie and her actions or
whatever.

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And, you know, I think I've kind
of sort of figured out what

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Maggie's issue is.
And I think it's not necessarily

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about her being able to let
Megan go, her being able to

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forgive.
I think really for Maggie, it's

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if she, if she gives Megan any
sort of leeway, you know what

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I'm saying?
Any kind of forgiveness,

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whatever, whatever.
Because if she, if you look at

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the way Megan is now and the way
Megan has been with her for

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quite a while, again, it's very
obvious Megan is not the same

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Megan that we met.
Negan is a person who's trying

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to go back to the person he was
before he became savior.

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Negan maybe a little bit better
version.

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And that could be for any number
of reasons.

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That could be for guilt.
That could be because of what

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Judith brought out in him.
That could be because of what

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Jenny brought out of him, Annie,
whatever.

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But he obviously is trying to be
a better person.

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You have to be blind not to see
that.

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And I know Maggie sees and I
know that's part of the guilt

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that she feels when she does the
main things him because she's

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like OK at least he's trying
because y'all have had some

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enemies that didn't give a fuck.
But if Maggie stops hating

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Negan, eventually she's going to
have to turn that hate

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somewhere.
And I feel like she's going to

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look in the mirror and she's
going to reflect it on herself

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because then she's going to have
to start thinking and taking

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accountability for her own
actions.

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And she's going to have to
think, how did we get to this

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point?
And I mean, this is something we

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always talk about.
Maggie is the one out of the

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group who walked into Gregory's
room and said, hey, we'll take

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care of this savior's problem
for you.

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But you're going to give us what
you were giving them, plus half

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of everything else.
Maggie made that decision.

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Yeah.
Maggie was the one who made the

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decision that, OK, we're going
to go and kill these people.

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Yeah.
And then, of course, we know

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what happened at the outpost,
and we know the aftermath of

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that.
But ultimately, and I was, I

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will die on this hill, Maggie is
ultimately responsible for their

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whole interaction with Negan.
Because if they hadn't have done

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that, they could have still
probably for at for a while at

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least, Gregory was a snitch so
that it probably wouldn't have

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lasted long.
But Gregory didn't know where

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Alexandria was.
They could have.

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They could have made their
little deal with him.

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They could have gone on their
own little way and decided to

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let that part of the world stay
that part of the world.

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Let them keep their deal with
Negan.

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The only other interaction Negan
would have had was the people on

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the street who killed his folks.
He's going to want to know where

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those people came from.
Yeah, but and and and then maybe

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he would have crossed pairs with
them and it would have been

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totally different.
But Maggie will at some point

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have to look at that and own her
own responsibility for

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everything that happened with
*** And I don't think she's

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what?
I don't think she's considered

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that yet.
And two, I don't think she's

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ready to do that yet.
That's why she's holding on to

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the hate for *** so long,
because if she doesn't hate me

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again, this you guys start
thinking of some other stuff.

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But she's got to really start
looking at that situation.

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She's gonna have to realize, oh,
you know what?

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I kind of fucked that up.
But you also have to remember

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back in season 1, Negan
basically said that he said that

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to her so she's aware.
He said had y'all not came in

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and fucked with my people, all
he was doing was the same thing

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Rick would have done had someone
snuck in today.

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You know, the thing was, Negan
had more people, but had Rick

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had a whole gang of people and
Negan people came and snuffed

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out some of the the survivors,
we would have felt somewhat

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exactly.
Yes.

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Yeah.
But they, but here's the thing,

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and this is the other thing I
said, like I know we are Rick's

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people.
Rick.

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Rick has done some questionable
things, but we still stand

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behind him because we've been
following Rick's journey from

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the beginning.
But everybody else, the

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Governor, Alpha, Megan, the
Wolves, everybody came at Rick

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and they group front face the
Terminus people.

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They came and confronted them,
Maggie and Rick and all of them.

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When they went after Megan's
people, they did it in the dark,

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they did it undercover, they did
it while people were asleep and

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defenseless.
And I'm sorry, on the one hand

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that is a very smart move
because you're making sure none

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of your people are going to get
hurt.

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But I'm the same at the same
time.

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Y'all supposed to be so big and
bad.

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Why would y'all do that in that
cowardly way, you know?

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But again, it it, it could have
been different.

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Like if we'd, and we've said
this before, if we had started

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following the journey of Megan
through this, like if, if, if

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that episode in 10 C the here's
Megan episode, if that's where

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we started the show.
And then we followed him all the

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way through what he went through
with the people losing Lucille,

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what made him decide?
Oh, OK, so y'all cause me the,

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you know, basically contribute
to my wife's death 'cause I

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couldn't get her medicine back
to her.

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So now I'm about to kill all
y'all and everything that

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happened.
From there.

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We would totally be Team Megan.
Absolutely.

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So it's the.
Perspective that you received

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'cause even, even if you go back
to when Virgil, Virgil gave

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Michelle in the hallucinogen yes
and she ended up on the inside

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because remember Rick Nim just
drove right past her like she

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wasn't shit.
Same way they did the other

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backpack guy who eventually
they, he died and they ended up

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stealing his butt backpack.
But you, you have to look at it.

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It's based on the perspective of
the story that you're given.

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We only got one side of the
story.

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And on our side Rick and the
survivors are correct, right.

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Oh, let us preemptive strike and
and get ahead of this thing,

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Yeah.
And then you think about the

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other things you think about,
and I know we're going away into

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the weeds, we're going to reel
it back in.

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But you think, you think about
when Rick and his people got to

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Alexandria and they were like,
OK, if the Alex, if these people

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don't conform and do what we
tell them to do to survive them,

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we just going to take it.
We're going to take it from

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them.
The same thing we sit here

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complaining about New Babylon,
what they're doing.

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Y'all just don't go in and take
something somebody else made.

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Now, luckily, that didn't happen
with Rick and his crew because

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they realized, OK, these people
just don't know any better

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because they've never had to
know better.

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Yeah.
And they were eventually able to

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build community with the
Alexandras, So that's the good

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thing.
But yeah, going back to going

445
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,880
back to Maggie, Yeah.
I I really feel like that's why

446
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,240
she's holding on to Negan so
much.

447
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,960
And it's, again, it's damaging
her relationship with her son.

448
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,080
Yeah, you know, she has the
argument with him because once

449
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,160
they, when they separated,
Herschel is off in Central Park

450
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:25,520
by himself and he comes across
this girl who, who helps him get

451
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,400
away from the walkers because
they're surrounded by walkers.

452
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,880
And I know we're going way out
of order, but we'll, we'll,

453
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,800
we'll get back around.
But then, you know, eventually

454
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,280
he gets ready to be attacked and
Megan comes to the rescue and he

455
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,920
looks at Megan.
It's almost like he's confused

456
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,480
at 1st and then he has a gun in
his hand.

457
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,480
He shoots at Megan.
And then it's like he's trying

458
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,760
to figure out like, did I just
do that?

459
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,920
When he looks, Megan is gone.
But he's so confused.

460
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,880
He doesn't know what to do
because again, the only thing he

461
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,840
he knows about Megan is from
what Maggie has told him and

462
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,120
probably what other people may
have mentioned to him.

463
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:11,000
But all of his experiences with
Negan personally, Negan has

464
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,360
never hurt him.
Negan has never been mean to

465
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:15,760
him.
Negan actually saved his life,

466
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,840
you know, not once, twice.
He saved his life in the main

467
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,600
show and then he just saved his
life with this with this boat.

468
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,440
And then I don't know if you
noticed it when Negan, when we

469
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,840
see Megan again after that
encounter with Herschel and he's

470
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,400
sitting there looking upset, he
has tears coming out his eyes

471
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,760
because that, you know, for for
Megan, I think Herschel will

472
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,600
always be a reminder of the bad
shit of the worst thing he's

473
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,760
ever done.
You know what I'm saying?

474
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,040
That will that will always be a
reminder for him.

475
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:58,480
And I know he has conflict about
that, but Maggie, Maggie,

476
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,160
Maggie, I just.
Yeah.

477
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,720
It's like when you, when you see
all of this stuff and what's

478
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,680
going on with the diamond, how
she's kind of manipulating

479
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,560
Herschel and kind of getting in
there, it's like it's so easy to

480
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,240
see where things have gone
wrong.

481
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,160
Yeah.
And I, I just, I have a feeling

482
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,120
things are going to get so much
worse because it's like 1

483
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,120
minute.
Herschel was trying to be nice,

484
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,600
we're trying to be civil, and
then the next minute he's going

485
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,120
off.
It's like he doesn't have a

486
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,640
handle on his emotions, which,
again, teenager, that's not what

487
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,800
we expect.
But you're really not in a

488
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,520
position right now where you can
have that luxury.

489
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,160
You got to keep your head on
straight.

490
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,360
You are in enemy territory.
Granted, you have a new group

491
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:53,600
that just saved your ass.
Yeah, but even with that, even

492
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,520
with that, I was like, you know
what?

493
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,640
Here we are.
We've encountered a new group

494
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,960
and already somebody has died.
Don't take a.

495
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,680
Long when these these mother
fuckers is involved, don't take

496
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,560
a long at all right?
Although they didn't kill them.

497
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,600
They didn't kill it, but it's
it's still almost like just

498
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,240
being in their proximity.
Get away from me.

499
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,080
Right.
Because it, it's not Maggie,

500
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,680
it's not Herschel.
But if you think about it, all

501
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,200
the really, really crazy stuff
started when Rick got to the

502
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,280
green farm, when they got over
there, that's when Carl got

503
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,320
shot.
And then everything went

504
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,440
downhill from there, downhill
from there.

505
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:49,040
Because the stuff from before
that was kind of anyway, OK,

506
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,880
we're gonna we're gonna step
away from Maggie for a little

507
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,520
bit because we have gone way
into the weeds with this

508
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,960
conversation.
Let's talk about the new people

509
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,040
and, and the new Babylonians and
and their interactions because

510
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:12,720
I'm so tired.
Tired of that bitch of nevaehs

511
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,440
she getting on my.
Damn that she really is stage a

512
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,960
coop during the middle of a
funeral.

513
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,880
Not even not even that.
Let's let's let's rewind it a

514
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,560
little bit.
You all are tracing through

515
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Central Park or what used to be
Central Park is overgrown.

516
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160
It's got monkeys because you
hear the monkeys.

517
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,480
Something else was at the zoo.
Something else is in there

518
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,440
'cause you heard something roar,
but you're going through you've

519
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,800
just lost all these people,
including your governor and then

520
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,760
you.
Look in it.

521
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,520
I don't think that was her, OK?
I don't think that was her.

522
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,560
I think that was another 'cause
when I looked, there was one

523
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,400
shot of, I think it was Jenny,
and you could see some of the

524
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,880
people behind her.
There were actually two other

525
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,440
black women in that scene, all
with the same curly hair.

526
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,240
I can hear Michelle now.
They probably raided the same

527
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,400
waist.
Well, no.

528
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,400
You know black women in that
natural.

529
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,480
I don't know if that natural
would be that late 2020 years

530
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,200
into a zombie apocalypse.
It would be looking more like

531
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,720
Sasha's hair.
No disrespect, but I was trying.

532
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,640
To give him the benefit of the
though, I'm saying.

533
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,640
Sasha's hair was definitely
natural, you know?

534
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,720
But yeah, so you're going,
you're going through the park,

535
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:46,840
you're you're trying to regroup.
And Maggie says, OK, so we need

536
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,920
to sit here, rest, and then we
need to figure out how to go

537
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,880
home.
And then she and Pearly start

538
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,360
going back and forth because
Pearly is like, but we're

539
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,880
already here.
We need to do such such.

540
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,240
And the bias is like, no, we
need to go get the methane.

541
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,640
And you know, it occurred to me
when she said that I was like,

542
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,920
you don't even know what getting
the methane means.

543
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,240
You think you're just going to
go pick up a few containers of

544
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,400
this gas?
I don't think they realize how

545
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,160
it's a whole elaborate
separation.

546
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,120
It is.
And I'm sitting here looking at

547
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:26,280
her and when Pearly agrees with
her, she has this look like, I

548
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,560
thought so.
And I was just like, again,

549
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:35,000
y'all are so fucking dumb.
Yeah, you just lost what what

550
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,080
the mag said.
You just lost 50 people, and we

551
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,360
don't want to lose 50 more than
take your ass home.

552
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,720
You have what you what you're
dealing with y'all.

553
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Y'all just walking randomly.
Here comes a Walker tied up in

554
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,440
some vines.
They were able to get one of

555
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,680
your people.
And then you go deeper into the

556
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,680
park.
You see it's overgrown and you

557
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,960
just push through because you,
because Pearly says there's a

558
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,800
what did he say?
There's a river or a lake, and

559
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,680
then there's a boathouse on the
other side.

560
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,120
Dude, you ain't been here.
Since when?

561
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,199
How do you even know that stuff
is still there?

562
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,600
You know somebody else hasn't
come to take it.

563
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:22,639
Because I don't know if I was
looking at the wrong thing.

564
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,199
I didn't see not a bit of water
on that ground.

565
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,239
I didn't either.
Looks like the looks like the

566
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,679
river, the lake, whatever has
been overgrown, dried up.

567
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:42,600
So you're going through all of
these weeds and the grass and

568
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,400
everything and you're just going
through you're making noise.

569
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:53,239
I'm like have y'all encountered
dormant walkers in the field

570
00:34:53,239 --> 00:35:00,080
before?
Again, I just zombie killing

571
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,800
one-on-one different group of
people, but you.

572
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,440
Already know the people from New
Babylon don't know shit.

573
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,640
They relying on their guns but.
That's the thing, you have been

574
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,440
in this zombie apocalypse for
more than a decade, almost 2

575
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,440
decades at this point.
True.

576
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:23,360
OK true.
You should know some basics like

577
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,000
if there is grass, if there is
an open field and the open field

578
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:34,320
just going to be empty,
especially New York, Manhattan.

579
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,720
Did your spies not?
I don't know.

580
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,040
I they were going through there
and just, you know, they're,

581
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,800
they're like going through the
grass and chopping through the

582
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,880
grass.
And then of course, folks start

583
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,800
disappearing.
I was like, OK, here we go.

584
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,320
And then you have like walkers
coming at you from all

585
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,520
directions.
Everybody scatters.

586
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,440
Nevaez was looking at Jenny like
she was about to push Jenny into

587
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,680
some of them walkers.
She was all about same with

588
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,840
herself, honey, so they're.
All fighting with walkers.

589
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,920
Jenny loses her bag that has the
gun in it and then first she,

590
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,320
like I said, he's off to
himself.

591
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,560
Maggie gets pulled off to
herself and I was just like, I

592
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:25,720
understand why Maggie kind of
went on with it because they're

593
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,200
they're still threatening her.
If you desert, then you know,

594
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,160
you're 20 people back home.
They're still going to pay the

595
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,080
consequence.
Y'all act like y'all are going

596
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,280
to get out of New York first of
all.

597
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,280
First of all, you act like you
I.

598
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,920
Could have sworn you were told
in the beginning this was a

599
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,760
death mission, so somebody said
that.

600
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:49,600
Right.
And not only that, y'all keep

601
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,800
calling it an exploratory
mission when obviously it's not

602
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,040
because Novias is still like,
no, we're going to get the

603
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,480
methane and then we're going to
go home.

604
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,360
And Pearly is like it's a.
Like it's a little bag.

605
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,360
That methane, that methane will
help the families.

606
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,280
And Maggie is like, oh, the
families of the kids that that

607
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,960
just died, the ones that y'all
told them they had to serve.

608
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,760
Like really?
Y'all Y'all let the kids die,

609
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,400
but they're supposed to be
happy.

610
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,320
Y'all got methane.
Yeah, don't give a damn about

611
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,360
that method, Mama left, didn't
come back.

612
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,280
No, the kids left and didn't
come back.

613
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,960
They were recruiting the younger
people.

614
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:36,040
So yeah, they're they're going
through the grass, they're going

615
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,960
through all this stuff.
And like I said, they got

616
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,000
walkers coming from everywhere.
And then Herschel notices the

617
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,720
Walker that killed one of the
soldiers, the first one, it's

618
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,480
heart is missing.
And he's just looking at it like

619
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,360
ain't holding the shift.
That's interesting.

620
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:57,600
But he didn't say anything.
So that that kind of made me

621
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,400
feel like, and I will say this
too, the rest of the episode,

622
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,120
the way that Herschel's talking,
the way that the diamond has

623
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,840
kind of groomed him, I feel like
he might kind of be on that.

624
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,600
I don't know if spectrum is the
word that I want to use, but I

625
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:21,760
feel like he is similar to like
maybe Nick from Fear The Walking

626
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:27,840
Dead or Alpha and Beta in that
he looks at the dark stuff a

627
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,000
little differently and the other
people.

628
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:36,160
But I also feel like it's
because, like the Dhamma said,

629
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,440
he knows nothing of the world
before, right?

630
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,440
Because the world had already
fallen when he was born.

631
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,240
So this is all he's ever known.
So I'm sure he doesn't look at

632
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,160
it differently.
This is not strange to him.

633
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,240
This is all he's ever known.
Yeah.

634
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,240
I, I feel like him looking at a
Walker or him looking at a

635
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:03,080
destroyed city, it will be just
like us going to another city

636
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,840
and seeing their skyline.
It's like, oh, that's something

637
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,400
pretty.
I've never seen it before.

638
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,360
That's how he looks at
Manhattan.

639
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,400
It's something different.
You know, he's probably never

640
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,120
seen massive buildings like that
because in Virginia, the area of

641
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Virginia they were in, there's
no skyscrapers.

642
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,600
They weren't in in a downtown,
you know, metropolitan area in

643
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,760
South Carolina.
When they went to Maggie

644
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,080
Grandmothers House, they were on
the beach.

645
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,280
So that probably was something
kind of magical to him.

646
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,960
And then here you have the
Dhamma whispering in his ear.

647
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,960
Oh yeah.
You know, everybody wants to

648
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,400
take it back the way that it
was, but you see it for what it

649
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,160
could be, or you understand it
and blah, blah, blah, blah.

650
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,600
And she's making him feel
important and seen and like his

651
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,280
opinion matters and values it,
right.

652
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,800
But anyway, going back to the
going back to Central Park.

653
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,720
So like I said.
Herschel gets rescued by this

654
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:12,640
one girl from one of the Barazi,
and we'll we'll come to that.

655
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,880
But on the other side, Maggie
and the rest of the game, they

656
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,960
find this, I guess it was
supposed to be like a cafe.

657
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,280
And there's some people coming
out of it strangely dressed the

658
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,280
the dress kind of primitively.
And they leave them inside and

659
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,560
inside they're baking stuff with
ovens and all this other stuff.

660
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,440
And I'm looking around like,
what are they doing?

661
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,080
And then the leader, you meet
her.

662
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,760
And I was like, I'm going to
like her, which is bad because I

663
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,000
have a feeling she's going to
die because she's around this

664
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,080
group of mother fuckers, Yeah.
That'll do it.

665
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,800
But she's like, yeah, you guys
are making a lot of noise.

666
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,920
We could have just left you out
there.

667
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,480
But we, you know, we went on
ahead and saved you.

668
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,280
And we just want you to leave
when it's time to leave, act

669
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,280
like, you know, leave.
Don't come back.

670
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,120
Act like we don't exist because
we don't exist.

671
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,120
And I'm like, yeah, y'all, y'all
are still sitting in the park 20

672
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,560
years in the.
Cut though 'cause you ain't

673
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,680
nobody trying to fight that
force to to go fuck with them.

674
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:22,000
And apparently what they do is
when they, their people die,

675
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,640
they take the hearts out and
then they allow the walkers to

676
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,320
roam Central Park.
What did she tell them?

677
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,360
She was like, we did.
They protect us.

678
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:33,960
And it's not about killing them.
She was like, those are our

679
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,840
brothers, our sisters, our
husbands, our children.

680
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,640
You know, though, they are US.
And as long as they kind of

681
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,600
familiar.
Yeah, but in a different way.

682
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,440
Yeah, but when she said that was
like.

683
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,120
Yeah, because basically she was
like, look, they're out there

684
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,440
and if you notice, they don't,
they don't really come into that

685
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,600
enclosure.
So I don't know if that that

686
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,800
little place is kind of
soundproofed or whatever, but

687
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,800
she was like, they protect us.
And as long as they protect us,

688
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,080
we're good.
Nobody comes this far in.

689
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,760
And what was it that the Croat
told Negan?

690
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,000
Anybody who goes in, they don't
come out.

691
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,960
So whether the walkers or
whether they see these people

692
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,960
and they're like, oh, y'all got
y'all got I'll intentions, we're

693
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,960
going to kill y'all.
We're going to make y'all part

694
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,120
of the Walker, her whatever, OK,
But whatever it is they've done,

695
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:32,720
it's worked up until now.
So our group come along because

696
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:37,000
the girl who helps Herschel get
stabbed by the person who is in

697
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,480
the the thing with me again.
And then, you know, they take

698
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,160
her back.
And he stabs her so

699
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,480
unnecessarily.
You know what?

700
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,560
OK, so unnecessarily.
So let's talk about let's talk

701
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:55,400
about him for a minute, OK?
Because first of all, him and

702
00:42:55,400 --> 00:43:00,320
the Croat and and and we keep
saying this, the Croat keeps

703
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,360
trying to talk to Negan like
I'm, I'm gonna eventually bring

704
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,880
the old Negan back out.
The old Negan back out.

705
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,120
I don't know why you want to do
that, but OK.

706
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,760
But you make this comment to
Negan and you're like, I

707
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,720
understand, you know, I
understand why you hesitated

708
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:19,560
with the boat.
You were saving a child and

709
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,040
you've you've always said
children were off limits.

710
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,800
So I'll just, you know, I'll
make sure that you won't be the

711
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,520
one to have to kill the child.
And then this dude says I'll do

712
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,280
it for you with a laugh.
I said OK, so at some point he's

713
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,160
going to die in this episode
because Negan was looking at

714
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,960
both of them like I could stab
y'all.

715
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,640
Now then, Negan is playing the
long game.

716
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,160
He's trying to stay safe.
I don't know where his end game

717
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,120
is aside from.
Him to quit fucking with him.

718
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,840
Aside from making sure Annie and
Joshua would get there safe

719
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,040
because I that's the only reason
Negan ain't went off on any of

720
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:54,960
these people.
That part.

721
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,280
That and that's the only reason
I could see 'cause y'all keep

722
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,680
the number one.
They keep threatening them with

723
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,320
oh they'll be hearing this my
next week.

724
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,480
What you say they'll be there
next week or some shit.

725
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,040
So I'm AI got you by the balls
until next week when they come

726
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,240
and then from there, what what
you going to do?

727
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,040
Are they coming safely?
Are they going to ride safely?

728
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,360
Are they going to like what?
What's the deal 'cause it's

729
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,880
going to be something else once
they ride?

730
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Negan is kind of playing it
close to his chest, but you see

731
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,240
every time, every time the Croat
speaks to him, you can text

732
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:35,720
Negan is imagining bashing his
head, but he he keeps his cool.

733
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,160
But he you also notice he's
starting to play the Croat

734
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:48,960
because I think he can see the
Croat has some, How do I want to

735
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,520
say it?
I feel like he has some

736
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,160
insecurities when it comes to
the Dhamma because he feels like

737
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,640
he and the Dhamma are partners.
But like Megan said, she treats

738
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,320
you like her red headed
stepchild and she really does.

739
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,560
She treats, she treats the Croat
like he is the thing on the

740
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,440
bottom of her shoe that she has
to scrape off.

741
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,840
And I know it.
I know she probably found some

742
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,040
bleach somewhere after she
kissed his head last week, last

743
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,120
week.
Because she just seems like she

744
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,040
tolerates him.
Yeah.

745
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,800
And, you know, I mean, it's her
fault.

746
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,960
She was one that saved him and
gave him peanut brew.

747
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,000
But.
But Negan is sitting there

748
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,160
trying to, you know, kind of
cast some doubts.

749
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,320
And then he says, Hey, how about
this?

750
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,000
Let me go into the let me go
into the park, let me find him.

751
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,400
He was like, if I see any new
Babylonians there, we'll kill

752
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,480
him.
If the, you know, if the, the

753
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,080
forest hasn't gotten them or if
the park hasn't gotten them yet.

754
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:53,200
So the Croat thinking he's
smart, he sends the big stupid

755
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,600
dude with *** and I call him
stupid because anybody who takes

756
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,680
Glee and oh, I'll kill him for
you, you, you dumb, you dumb

757
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,680
because you just let me, you
know, right then and there you

758
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,400
are easy target to kill.
I will have no qualms about

759
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,760
killing you later on.
So they're going through the

760
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:19,080
park and stupid is asking dumb
questions and just being just an

761
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,840
ass.
And there's this little tunnel

762
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,920
that they have to go through and
it's it's, you know, it's

763
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,600
surrounded by like, overgrowth
and all this other stuff.

764
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,280
And so he looks at Negan and he
looks at, I think Negan has a

765
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,720
spear.
He was like, after you thinking,

766
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,960
OK, yeah, you're not about to
stab me in the back.

767
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,560
So they go into this tunnel and
I'm looking and I was like,

768
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,680
yeah, this dude is not going to
make it out this tunnel.

769
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,160
Especially once the walkers who
are trapped in the vines and the

770
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,560
overgrowth start grabbing for
them 'cause they're grabbing for

771
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,080
me.
Way bigger than Negan.

772
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,080
Negan, kind of.
Yeah, he's right his way out.

773
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,400
So as Negan is trying to pull
them off of him, he's like, oh,

774
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:16,160
I could put them in his way.
Let me do this and the dude is

775
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,920
like help me, help me and ***
gets out and looks at him.

776
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,640
He was like you traitor, you
motherfucker.

777
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,280
Traitor to who?
*** wasn't loyal to you or y'all

778
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,040
at.
All and has never been.

779
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,640
This is.
Your fault.

780
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,000
You were the one who thought you
was about to get over by sending

781
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,600
him in first.
Because in your mind you're

782
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,000
like, OK, if there's anything in
that tunnel or anything on the

783
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,080
other side of the tunnel, they
gonna get him first.

784
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,480
Dude.
You don't realize Mika has been

785
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,240
dodging.
Look, Mika has been dodging

786
00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:55,640
death for a very long time.
You just walked right into that

787
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,040
trap.
Mika had no problem going first.

788
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,000
No problem.
She let me, let me too, right,

789
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,360
'cause Mika's gonna find a way,
even he gonna find a way to get

790
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,280
his self away.
Right, but now he gonna.

791
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,240
Find a way.
But not only that, Negan knows

792
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:16,480
that dude is not about to stab
him because then that dude is

793
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,640
going to have to deal with the
Dom.

794
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,840
And like I said, I don't know
why she's so big bad and, you

795
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,000
know, important that everybody's
scared of her.

796
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,680
But I don't think if if they
know that Negan is her new boy

797
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,240
toy, so to speak, they're not
going to touch him.

798
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,640
So you did yourself a disservice
letting him go through that

799
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,760
tunnel first.
Absolutely.

800
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,000
You put yourself on the chopping
butt.

801
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,360
But eventually.
Because, and this the thing,

802
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,640
because if you're the first one
to go through and and and say,

803
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,560
yes, they're in there and
they're dormant.

804
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,480
So it's taking them a minute to,
you know, wake up basically.

805
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,240
And so if you go through first,
you don't, you know, got through

806
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,000
a little stretch.
It's the next mother fucker who

807
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,640
coming through who is like, Oh,
there's a person.

808
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,840
'Cause they're gonna be in a.
Birthday every time.

809
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,440
Yeah, they're gonna be in a
party by that point.

810
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,200
Yeah, 'cause they didn't get
one, but oh, here comes

811
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,680
something else.
And look, that dude is a lot

812
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,520
bigger than me, baby.
He got limo meat on them so.

813
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,400
Those they had them a good meal,
right?

814
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,320
Right.
But I want to know how the fuck

815
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,840
he got a part of that without
getting bit up.

816
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,960
Why did he?
He got bit up and scratched up.

817
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,040
You could see it.
He was bit on this side.

818
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,280
He was scratched on this side.
I think he has something else

819
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,680
over here in his stomach.
So he was damaged, but I mean,

820
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,200
he was close enough to the exit
where I feel like he could have

821
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,320
gotten away and probably didn't.
And he did have his own spear.

822
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,440
And I think that's one of the
reasons why the girl died so

823
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,920
quickly, because he stabbed her
in the leg, which you wouldn't

824
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,560
think she would die that
quickly, but if that blade had

825
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,960
Walker blood on it, then it
would have killed.

826
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,000
Her quicker and there's a main
artery in your leg.

827
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,800
So depending on where he stabbed
her, yeah, I could see it.

828
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,400
That's that was my thought.
He stabbed that main artery,

829
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,440
right?
And that's what killed her.

830
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,720
Well, he didn't.
Even have to 'cause when he did

831
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:18,880
it, you, you saw all the blood
start gushing out.

832
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,280
So she ain't had that long any
goddamn way.

833
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,960
But like you said, what was the
whole point?

834
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,560
And I I understand he probably
thought, oh, these are the kids

835
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,440
that NIA saved, not knowing who
they were.

836
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,120
He probably, if he was there
when Herschel was captive, then

837
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,560
he probably recognizes Herschel,
which is probably why he went

838
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,840
for the other girl instead.
I mean, why he went for the girl

839
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,760
instead because he didn't know
who that was.

840
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,760
But yeah, so unnecessary.
But then he's about to try to

841
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,040
kill Herschel, and Herschel
pulls out the gun that he finds

842
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,520
in Jenny's bag, 'cause he found
Jenny's bag while they were

843
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:02,920
running around from the walkers.
And he tells Herschel he was

844
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,960
like it.
He was like, what if you know

845
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,080
how to use that thing?
You'd have done it already.

846
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,640
And then he tries to, he tries
to get him with the spear.

847
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,040
And that's when Negan drives his
spear through his heart.

848
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,600
Negan was like, I'm not gonna
make no, no mistakes.

849
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,080
I'm gonna kill your ass dead for
sure.

850
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,800
But then, like we said, he and
Herschel come face to face.

851
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,320
Herschel has a gun.
He looks at him and he shoots.

852
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,080
And I was like, or shoots at
him, I should say.

853
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,600
And then next time he looks up,
Negan is gone.

854
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,400
But you ain't gonna get 2.
Chances to shoot at me?

855
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,000
I mean, I know I told you when
you were a little kid that if,

856
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,160
if that day came, I'd be ready,
but I just realized that I'm not

857
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:52,800
ready.
Like what I told you when you

858
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,560
were 8 doesn't apply.
This is not Kill Bill.

859
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,960
This is not the bride saying so
when you're ready, in 20 years,

860
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,400
I'll be with No, this is not
that, that moment.

861
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,160
Baby.
But then Maggie sinks herself in

862
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,840
deeper because she finds
Herschel.

863
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,000
They have the girl.
They take her back.

864
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,080
And, you know, she's asking
Herschel questions because she

865
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,480
hears that she heard the
gunshot, but Herschel had told

866
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,120
her no, that wasn't a gunshot.
And then he tells, yeah, that,

867
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,640
you know, tells her about what
happened in the thing.

868
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,680
He was like, yeah, no, she got
stabbed by somebody else.

869
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,120
Well, who was it?
It was it was one of the Croat's

870
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,480
men.
And then he got killed by

871
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,880
somebody.
And she was like, by who?

872
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,560
And he was like, Negan, Negan,
Negan was there.

873
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,360
What was he doing?
What did he say blah blah blah

874
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,800
blah blah blah.
Your focus back on Negan.

875
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,560
And not in a good way, because
your son was literally just

876
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:56,760
missing.
He just barely, truthfully

877
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,400
barely survived that encounter.
Because if *** hadn't have come

878
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:06,280
again, if *** hadn't have saved
his life, he would be on the

879
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,120
ground.
That dude would have killed him.

880
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,160
Because that dude likes killing
children.

881
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:16,840
It has no qualms about it.
But you sitting here obsessed,

882
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,200
where did he go?
What did he say?

883
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,400
Did he tell you?
Is he with the crow at blah

884
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,000
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah
blah blah And Herschel's like, I

885
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,600
don't know, I don't care.
I didn't get a chance to ask him

886
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,400
because I don't give a fuck
about *** I don't.

887
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:36,040
Care at all and mad mom.
I don't care.

888
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,160
And she, she's like, OK, OK,
calm.

889
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,600
Why are you going to tell him to
calm down?

890
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,680
And you, the one that's worked
up, Did you not hear him say

891
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,680
that Negan killed the dude?
So IE Megan just saved my life

892
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:59,160
yet again.
I thought you wasn't coming to

893
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,240
New York for him.
Maggie is getting on my nerves.

894
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,560
She need to let it go.
She.

895
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:12,200
Need to let it go because at
this point it's been how he's

896
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,680
supposed to be. 13 so 13.
I think a little bit, I think a

897
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,440
little bit older than that.
I think he's probably maybe

898
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,440
15-16 around this time.
Between 13 and 16 years, she has

899
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,400
had to get over this.
Yeah.

900
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,960
And I'm.
I don't know.

901
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,000
And there is a there is a way
to.

902
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,920
Get over.
I don't want to say OK.

903
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,960
Now get over, there's a way to.
Come to.

904
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,320
Terms and move on.
Come to terms with.

905
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,880
Yeah, there's a way to come to
terms with it, because my

906
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,720
thought is at the end of The
Walking Dead, Mika had a

907
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,160
conversation with her.
We.

908
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:55,040
And she had a conversation with
him and she was like I forgive

909
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,800
and no what she said I she
forgive, she forget, but she

910
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,640
don't forget basically OK, but
no she.

911
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,160
Can't wish.
What did she say?

912
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:10,520
She can't forgive him, but I But
I do see that you're trying and

913
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,120
I can try to.
And she was like, but if, if I

914
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,600
you know, but if I see you
around and I'm still angry, you

915
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,440
gonna have to give me that.
Oh, OK.

916
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,000
But but the man, first of all,
the man full out apologize to

917
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,040
you.
Not no bullshit apology.

918
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,440
I'm so sorry for what I put you
through.

919
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,840
I'm so sorry for what I did to
you with tears, with genuine,

920
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,520
sincere tears.
This man has felt it.

921
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,960
OK.
So again, I'm not saying you got

922
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,680
to get over it, but it's her
experience from last year after

923
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,440
your son got kidnapped and he
kind of went off on you.

924
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,240
If that didn't tell you that you
needed to find a way to come to

925
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:55,720
terms with it, then you are not
really paying attention.

926
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,360
And I mean, like I said, I know,
I know it's your grief.

927
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,800
I know it's grief.
I know that she was a.

928
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:11,480
Lot over because you saw.
It so I understand but at some

929
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:20,920
point as a mother you have to
ignore your pain and focus on

930
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,600
your children is what we do all
the time.

931
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:31,720
Not saying that is healthy.
But.

932
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:34,880
Don't scar your children.
Don't screw your child up

933
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,640
because you are screwed up.
That part.

934
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,640
You're supposed to make things
better for him.

935
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,280
You're supposed to because.
The world already fucked.

936
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,560
Up.
You're supposed to make things

937
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,800
better for him.
You because all she doing is

938
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,040
showing him.
If somebody do you wrong, hold

939
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,440
on to the grass feather like
you.

940
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,520
You not leading by example at
all and it's one of those.

941
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,360
It's one of those weird things
because I mean, grief is a weird

942
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,240
thing in and of itself.
You and I know this, it's a

943
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:21,360
weird thing in and of itself,
but at some point you got to put

944
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:26,080
your, you got to put 1 foot in
front of the other and you have

945
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,000
to, you have to push out.
I'm not saying she needs to

946
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,320
forget.
I'm not saying she needs to

947
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:36,400
forgive, but this man
continuously shows up for you,

948
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,200
saves your son several times,
has saved your people when you

949
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:47,360
abandoned them.
Like, I'm not saying he deserves

950
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:52,320
a big medal, but.
Damn it, he at least earns your

951
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,200
respect.
You.

952
00:57:54,560 --> 00:58:00,320
Wouldn't even say respect.
He has earned a little bit of

953
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,160
grace.
Yes, he has earned a little bit

954
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,200
of grace because here's the
thing, And, and this is the same

955
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,960
thing like with the Dhamma and
with the Croat, you're trying to

956
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,200
take turn a man who is obviously
trying to be a different person.

957
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,880
He has made mistakes.
He has made huge mistakes.

958
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,400
He's made ugly mistakes.
He is trying to do something

959
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:27,920
better.
He's trying to be a better

960
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,600
person, but y'all keep trying to
put him back into that old

961
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,440
space.
Y'all keep trying to make him

962
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,400
back into this ugly person for
various reasons.

963
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,880
I know the Dhamma and the Croat
are doing it because they want

964
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,240
power.
Maggie keeps throwing that guilt

965
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:49,560
on him because she needs it,
because what is she going to do

966
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,600
without it?
Who is she without it?

967
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,480
Because at this point, I don't
even remember what Maggie was

968
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,240
like before all of this.
You know, I remember she was a

969
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,080
fierce friend.
I remember she was loyal.

970
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,560
I remember that she did know how
to laugh.

971
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,080
She didn't know how to have fun.
You don't see any of that,

972
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,680
Maggie, and you haven't seen it
in a long time.

973
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,600
She.
Need to get us?

974
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,960
What'd you say you.
Need to get her some.

975
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,600
Well, we we've already said that
before.

976
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,120
I think we said that first
season and we probably said it

977
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,120
towards the end of the main show
too.

978
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,800
Here we go on this episode.
I mean this season, but but this

979
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,040
is what you're showing your son.
Your your son is not seeing

980
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:40,960
another version of you.
And that is so sad because that

981
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,240
made some very easy to
manipulate.

982
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,400
Which we have just found out.
Which we have just found out.

983
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:57,160
Right, so.
But anyway, so while all this

984
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:00,200
stuff is going on in the park
and why Maggie is looking for

985
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:06,680
Herschel, you have Curly's
people in this place with the

986
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,720
foragers and Pearly is trying to
be nice.

987
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,160
OK, When he came up with the
join the new Babel I was like Oh

988
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,680
my God, if you don't shut up.
I felt like Maggie, like, can

989
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,880
you please stop with bullshit?
He was like, look, we can offer.

990
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,960
We can offer each other
something.

991
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,320
And Maggie was like, they don't
need nothing from you.

992
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,880
Like they have survived here for
20 years or however many years.

993
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,880
They don't need nothing from
you.

994
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,560
They showed up.
They was just.

995
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,000
Fine, they are doing fine.
They look well fed.

996
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,760
Then I have no look, they could
have been the type of of people

997
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,440
that when they saw y'all, they
could have killed y'all on site

998
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,320
and probably went back and had
some more cookies or whatever it

999
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,360
was they were baking.
They they could have done that.

1000
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,880
They also did not have to invite
you into their dwelling to save

1001
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,720
you from the walkers.
So obviously whatever they're

1002
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,760
doing is working and they're
managing to hold on to some of

1003
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,800
their humanity on top of that.
Leave them alone because y'all

1004
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,320
obviously don't have it because
Nevaez is in the background

1005
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,720
talking about Oh yeah don't you
see it?

1006
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,880
We can, we can add them to the
Army, blah, blah, blah, blah,

1007
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:25,160
blah.
And probably it's like, don't

1008
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,200
you see it?
We, we could do that.

1009
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,640
Da, da, da, we could do the same
thing we did in Roanoke.

1010
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,720
And I was like, oh, what did
y'all do in Roanoke?

1011
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:36,320
Because the fact that y'all
mention Roanoke is suspicious to

1012
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,440
me.
Because what happened in

1013
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,400
Roanoke, VA, years and years and
years and years ago, all the

1014
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,320
people disappeared and no one
ever knew what happened to them.

1015
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,200
Oh, is that what y'all did?
Did y'all do that too?

1016
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,120
Did y'all go in there and, and,
and, you know, conscript people

1017
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,120
and get rid of the people?
What did she say?

1018
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,960
We did?
We, we divided them.

1019
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,640
And then, you know, I think they
convinced one side and they, I

1020
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,160
don't know, they did some
bullshit.

1021
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,840
And so she's sitting there
conspiring, trying to do it

1022
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,400
again.
And Curly finally grows some

1023
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,720
balls and remembers that he
outranks her and he was like,

1024
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,600
stand down captain or whatever
she is.

1025
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:19,360
And she's like, OK, I was like,
yeah, she gonna do some shit.

1026
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,680
She getting on my nerves,
nervous.

1027
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,600
Yeah.
Yeah, this getting on my

1028
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:33,080
nervous.
Yes, yeah, she, she is.

1029
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:38,800
But their little ritual that
they have when when they bring

1030
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:46,000
the girl back and Curly actually
offers them some medicine and

1031
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,280
the leader, Roxana, she refuses
it.

1032
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,280
Now this is my thing.
I understand.

1033
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:55,400
Y'all have your own, you have
your own rituals, you have your

1034
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,160
own culture and all this other
stuff.

1035
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,800
If I was that girl on the table,
I would be pissed because I'd be

1036
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,440
like, they have a way to save me
or to help me.

1037
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:05,840
And you just going to tell them
no?

1038
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,960
Like, oh, when I first met, when
I first met them, when all this

1039
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,040
stuff went down, she was on a
fourth grade field trip.

1040
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,080
They all were we're all together
and it'll be all right.

1041
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,000
Bear chicken saved my life.
Excuse me that part that part

1042
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,040
made me mad look modern
medicines and me, but give me

1043
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,080
the drugs keep right.
That part made me mad because it

1044
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,000
felt like that that was a very
prideful thing.

1045
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:39,400
I feel like because rather than
I guess in debt themselves to

1046
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,880
Pearly, which I'm sure they
probably would have tried to

1047
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,600
leverage it, but still, you're
talking about a girl's life if

1048
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,560
if you could have saved her.
But no, you need another person

1049
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:53,160
for your Walker pool outside.
So they have this really

1050
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,040
intimate ceremony that Herschel
actually takes part in.

1051
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,680
And I don't know what it was
about this girl or what it was

1052
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,600
about that girl.
I think, well, no, let me see.

1053
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,000
I know what it was about her for
him.

1054
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:10,880
I think the the appeal was she
was a part of this new world.

1055
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:18,280
You know, this untouched on, I
guess you could say untainted

1056
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:22,160
version of people like, you
know, you have people like

1057
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:26,360
Maggie and and and Pearly and
Novaeus or I think that's her

1058
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,000
name, Novaeus.
They're all trying to bring back

1059
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,360
the old world.
And these people are not trying

1060
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,920
to do that.
They're like, look, this is what

1061
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,640
the world is trying to leave us
alone.

1062
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:40,440
Let us, we have adapted.
We are OK, Let us.

1063
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,920
And I think that's what kind of
struck him with her.

1064
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,040
That's why he was trying so hard
to kind of connect with her,

1065
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,880
because she wasn't like anybody
else that he knew, You know,

1066
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,040
these people.
She was a young kid.

1067
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:55,880
She was a young kid, that's what
I'm saying.

1068
01:04:55,880 --> 01:05:01,240
But she's grown up in the wild,
you know, she hasn't.

1069
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,560
They haven't tried to
redomesticate themselves.

1070
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,240
They're like, oh, OK, we we
stuck here in the park.

1071
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,680
We're going to adapt and we're
going to figure out ways to

1072
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,520
learn and thrive.
And I think, again, going back

1073
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,600
to what I was saying earlier, I
think that appeals to him

1074
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,240
because that's all he's ever
known is this type of world.

1075
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,280
He doesn't want to do the normal
things like Maggie used to do or

1076
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,000
what they used to do back before
the world ended.

1077
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:33,920
So I think that appeals to him,
you know, but then they, you

1078
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,800
know, they, they do the ceremony
and then we find out why the

1079
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,840
walkers will walk around with no
hearts because they take the

1080
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,160
hearts out.
They put the people outside so

1081
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,080
they can join the Walker her and
then they feed the hearts to the

1082
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,520
walkers, which I guess in in in
kind of a way is kind of like a

1083
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,320
sacrifice, but it's also like
giving a part of that that

1084
01:05:55,320 --> 01:06:00,080
person's soul back to the others
of their I I don't know.

1085
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,560
I just want to say the heart
ain't big enough for no fucking

1086
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:07,320
walkers to share.
That's why I was only a few of

1087
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,440
them.
What you grabbed it that that's

1088
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,400
got on my nerve.
I said now you all know damn

1089
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,560
well 'cause So when he grabbed
the heart and he's eating on it,

1090
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,040
then he move over to the side so
the other Walker could get some.

1091
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,240
Now I think the other Walker was
kind of pushing himself in me.

1092
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:25,480
I.
Said.

1093
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,640
That heart ain't but Disney
that's a meal for one while

1094
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,720
y'all trying to have it be a
GroupMe a a buffet.

1095
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,320
Yeah but you know what?
The way that she looked when

1096
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,000
they put her out and the way her
heart.

1097
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,560
Like the heart was still fresh
but she looked like she had

1098
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,200
already been dead for a year.
So I'm gonna assume that heart

1099
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,760
probably started to go bad very
quickly.

1100
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,760
And maybe once it tastes like a
dead person, they're like, OK,

1101
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,920
you know what?
There's no doesn't it doesn't

1102
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,440
have that fresh blood taste
anymore.

1103
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,600
So we're just going to take a
couple of bites and then go

1104
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,480
about our business.
Yeah.

1105
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,240
See what else we can find.
Let's go find us a monkey or

1106
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:13,560
something.
Not a monkey or something.

1107
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:22,040
I I mean, yeah, but going back
to the Dharma, because I think

1108
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:25,600
that was really, yeah, the
foragers were interesting and

1109
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,480
stuff.
But again, I just have this

1110
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,000
feeling, you know, whenever our
people encounter new, a new

1111
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,240
group, those people dying, I
mean, Maggie is part of that

1112
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,480
because last season we had that
whole new group.

1113
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,640
They have been surviving.
They have been surviving

1114
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,360
fighting with the Baratzi and
then Maggie and them show up and

1115
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,040
they all die.
So I'm not gonna get too

1116
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,320
attached to these people 'cause
I have a feeling they're not

1117
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:54,600
gonna be around for very.
Long Nah now we probably got 3

1118
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:59,440
or 4 episodes with them.
Wait, no, I give it. 2 episodes.

1119
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,360
So this was one.
This was one.

1120
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,040
OK, that's what I was about to
ask.

1121
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:04,760
Are you saying two additional
episodes?

1122
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,680
Are you saying you know?
People don't really last past

1123
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,240
two episodes cause who have we
had to come on that You can

1124
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,240
think of that still here besides
Maggie, me and Herschel.

1125
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:21,760
Well, the Barazi, but yeah, in
it.

1126
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,000
But you know what?
Maggie and Megan haven't really

1127
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:29,080
well, Negan has been there and
we already see that somebody got

1128
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,840
off this episode.
So yeah.

1129
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:36,720
Yeah, But I I don't I don't
think the forges are gonna be

1130
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,000
around.
I'm kind of like you.

1131
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,080
I give it to maybe the next
episode.

1132
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,319
If they survive past the next
episode, I will be surprised.

1133
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:49,439
I would.
We're going back to the Dahmer

1134
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,720
and her manipulation.
I think it was last episode.

1135
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:57,840
We were trying to figure out
what it was she did before the

1136
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:06,319
fall because she is so good at
manipulation and at just kind of

1137
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,920
weaving her words and making
them stick.

1138
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,840
Because again, like I said, when
Herschel talks about her or when

1139
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:19,600
he talks about New York, his
face takes on this really

1140
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:28,000
dreamy.
I, I don't know, it takes on a

1141
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,640
very weird quality.
And I, I, I give it to to Logan

1142
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,680
Kim, the actor who's playing
him.

1143
01:09:35,399 --> 01:09:39,359
He's doing a great job with that
because it unless you're really

1144
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,120
paying attention to his face
like that, you probably wouldn't

1145
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,560
even notice.
But he has certain facial

1146
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:50,479
expressions that you see when
he's around certain people or

1147
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:56,640
when he's when he's looking at
certain people even because even

1148
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,280
with Jenny and Jenny is another
thing.

1149
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:06,320
Jenny is weird to me because you
spent all this time mad with

1150
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,160
Maggie, acting mad, giving her
the silent treatment, telling

1151
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,160
her you're not my mom and all
this stuff.

1152
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:16,120
But every time you look at her
and her should interact you, you

1153
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,480
got a little bit of jealousy on
your face.

1154
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,800
And then you got a little bit of
anger because she was over there

1155
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,800
listening to Novias a little too
intently for my for my taste.

1156
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:33,160
I was like, but you know, you
know, Novaye asked me in the

1157
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:34,960
background, scheming and
plotting.

1158
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,680
So and don't tell them what the
hell she could possibly could

1159
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,640
have said.
But that's what I'm saying.

1160
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,600
Jenny was paying attention to
her and remember when was

1161
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,520
Novayez was talking about,
talking about trying to ambush

1162
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,640
the foragers.
So I'm like, I hope Jenny is not

1163
01:10:53,640 --> 01:11:00,000
about to be a part of that.
I need Jenny to set out 'cause

1164
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:04,080
then she gonna go snatch her bag
back from Herschel, but he could

1165
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,440
have left it in the woods.
He could have told.

1166
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,440
He could have told Maggie.
Oh, Jenny.

1167
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:09,280
Yeah, she.
Got a gun?

1168
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,320
Where she get this going from
that ain't that ain't one of our

1169
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,520
guns at the bricks?
Because I was sitting here

1170
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,640
thinking.
I was like, is that her bag?

1171
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,560
I think she stole somebody's
bag.

1172
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,560
But then oh, oh, oh.
Did she take it off the boat?

1173
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,880
She did take it off the boat
when she was trying to rescue

1174
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:37,080
Maggie and and Herschel right
when the attack started.

1175
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,040
Right?
But guess who was looking for a

1176
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,280
gun when they got onto the
island?

1177
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:45,960
The The virus, the.
Virus, yeah.

1178
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,560
I wonder if that's her bag,
'cause I don't think it was

1179
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,000
Jenny's, no.
It's it's Jenny's bag, but her

1180
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,960
gun, because when she saw the
bag, Jenny took the bag.

1181
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,240
Not Novias she would've saw.
She's like, oh, my bag.

1182
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,360
No, she took the gun.
Oh.

1183
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:08,120
OK OK, so that's why she had gun
out for her again.

1184
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,040
New Babylon people are stupid.
How it?

1185
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:14,000
Was it was during the the whole
bombing when people was

1186
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,720
distracted and going 'cause
remember she had reached out and

1187
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,640
was like oh shit, my gun gone.
Yeah, but see Jenny?

1188
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:24,120
I don't recall her putting
anything in that bag.

1189
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:28,200
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
Yes I do.

1190
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:33,640
I think I do.
When they were still on the

1191
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:40,880
other side of the shore, Jenny
was packing her bag and this was

1192
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,480
after Maggie.
I think Maggie went to go.

1193
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:49,080
Either Maggie went to go look to
see what the smoke was about, or

1194
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,040
this was right around the time
that they were getting arrested.

1195
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,920
I think I remember Jenny looking
down and seeing something and

1196
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,640
putting in her back.
I'm gonna have to go back and

1197
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,600
look now 'cause I'm trying to
figure out when the hell did she

1198
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,160
get the gun?
And how would she have gotten it

1199
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,400
off of Novias?
Cause Novias don't seem like the

1200
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,120
type that's just gonna be
sitting there with her gun

1201
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:10,040
loose.
My gun.

1202
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,720
Yeah, right.
Because she always so itchy for

1203
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,080
a fight or itching to be up in
somebody's face.

1204
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,280
So I can't see Jenny just
sneaking up and and taking it

1205
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,600
so.
She she lost it.

1206
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,560
We know she lost it 'cause
remember, she was she.

1207
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,760
Was yeah, that's what I'm
trying.

1208
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:32,800
When did, when did Jenny find it
'cause we don't know she has it

1209
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:44,720
until after that.
So, OK, OK, alright.

1210
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:51,080
So Negan comes out of the park,
he goes back to the Croat and he

1211
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,320
tells them he was like, yeah, I
can't remember the guy's name.

1212
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,600
Stupid.
He was like, yeah, there was,

1213
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,640
there was a little bit of an
accident.

1214
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,720
We found ourselves in a bit of a
thorny situation.

1215
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,680
And then the Croat looks down
and notices Negan has blood on

1216
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:12,320
his hands.
Now Thomas Sense would say Negan

1217
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,800
has something to do with this
death, right?

1218
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:21,160
But I think if he would have
questioned it, Megan could also

1219
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,120
say, well, we were fighting for
our lives in there.

1220
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,680
I barely got away and that's why
I have the blood on my hands.

1221
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,840
And he was trying to save them.
Could have been any anything,

1222
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,800
right?
And he did say thorns, like he,

1223
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,080
he meant that literally.
So that could be.

1224
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,080
But the Croat doesn't say
anything.

1225
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,040
He just gives Megan a
handkerchief.

1226
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:44,680
And he was like accidents
happen.

1227
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,880
And I think he did that because
he's like some of the old Negan

1228
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,640
is starting to come back.
And I wonder if he did that on

1229
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:57,360
purpose, sent that guy into the
park with *** on purpose because

1230
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,880
you all you could already feel
the vibes between those 2.

1231
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:02,040
They did not like you just.
Absolutely.

1232
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,320
Not and.
The Crow had know how *** feels

1233
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:12,000
about fucking with kids.
So yeah, ain't that why he got

1234
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,280
exiled?
Yeah, I think that's why he got

1235
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,520
I I think he did that on
purpose.

1236
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,760
And then when Negan was the one
who came out, it was like, yeah,

1237
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,440
you know, we found ourselves
into this situation.

1238
01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:25,680
It was an accident.
But.

1239
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,480
But you were right.
If the New Babylonians are in

1240
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:31,320
there, they're probably dead
because of the big guy like him

1241
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,760
could be taken down.
Yeah, right.

1242
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,520
Just looking at him like,
alright, motherfucker, I see

1243
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,840
you.
But I think that's that's what

1244
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,360
he wanted.
But the crow had a suspicion of

1245
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,720
everything that Negan does.
He always side ironing, you

1246
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,000
know, trying to see what he see.
But he.

1247
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,840
Because he's trying to get the
old Megan back.

1248
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,000
But that ain't gonna happen.
We know that.

1249
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:57,320
Well, you know what?
As much as he may want it to

1250
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,480
Megan.
Megan, I am.

1251
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:04,720
Megan Smith is gone now.
You just got Megan Smith.

1252
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,960
Yeah.
'Cause that whole I am Megan,

1253
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,680
kneel and say I am me.
But you're not.

1254
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:19,520
And I think that was actually
from whoever it was that he

1255
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,680
defeated before he became, you
know, because he basically

1256
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,000
overthrew whoever was in charge
before.

1257
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:29,680
So I think that was something
that was a theme there.

1258
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,200
And he just, you know, once he
beat the other person, he, he

1259
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:37,240
kind of took it over because he
was like, oh, OK, this is a way

1260
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,440
to keep them compliant.
Yeah.

1261
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,320
Then I'll do that.
I'll, you know, I'll stay safe

1262
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,720
because what did he say?
The reason why he, the reason

1263
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,480
why he did that in the 1st
place, I think was because the

1264
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:50,560
people at the sanctuary was
suffering.

1265
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,800
And so he did it to try to knock
the other person out of charge,

1266
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,280
kill him so that the people
would be safe.

1267
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,920
And again, from his point of
view, that's what he was doing.

1268
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,920
He was keeping them safe.
Now, he took a couple of

1269
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:12,360
liberties with that and he let
that whole power trip kind of go

1270
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,440
to his head a little bit, which
ended up biting him in the ass

1271
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:21,320
later.
But yeah, I, I don't know why

1272
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,000
the Croat would want him back.
Because just like he mentioned

1273
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,240
in this episode, he was like
when I was exiled from the

1274
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,120
sanctuary.
You trying to bring back the

1275
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:33,640
same man, that exile that exiled
you, you trying to bring that

1276
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,200
person back?
Why?

1277
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:41,920
He want to get exiled again.
It it must be something because

1278
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:49,960
if I was the Croat and Megan
gets back in charge I would be

1279
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,000
worried especially with the way
Megan has noticed.

1280
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,280
Oh yeah and the Dom treats you.
She treats you like like shit.

1281
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,400
Oh no the Dom and I we are
partners.

1282
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:04,360
Nah bro not from where we
looking but why she?

1283
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,480
Always said that you do the
grant work right but you're

1284
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,680
supposed to be you're supposed
to be the smartest person you're

1285
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:14,360
the one who who figured out the
whole methane thing like you Why

1286
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:19,880
why is you outside well, I don't
want to protect I would want to

1287
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:24,840
protect the person who knows
this operation because if that's

1288
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:29,800
the case just.
Kidnap his ass kid kid.

1289
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:34,480
You know such, you know shit.
And say, hey, that whole setup

1290
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:35,720
you did over there, do that over
there.

1291
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,400
But again, the New Babylonians,
I don't think they really know

1292
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,960
what they are looking for.
Because they dumb as hell.

1293
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,400
Because there's we have surmised
based on the.

1294
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:52,200
We we, no, we we surmised this
in the last episode Yeah, we

1295
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,720
yeah, when when y'all decided
y'all want to take a fucking

1296
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:59,560
ferry across the dark ass river
with the lights on like they

1297
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,880
weren't going to expect you.
So we surmised that last

1298
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:10,800
episode, but you got people
spying telling you what's going

1299
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,720
on.
You got people spying telling

1300
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,720
you about the methane.
Did the people who told New

1301
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,240
Babylonians, the New Babylonians
about the methane, did y'all

1302
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:25,920
tell them about the the set up
in the basement of the hotel?

1303
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,920
Did y'all tell them that there
were literally tanks and tanks

1304
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:35,600
and tanks and and tubing and
pipes and glass and all this

1305
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,400
other stuff like this is not
something y'all know. 50 people

1306
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:46,320
injured people, tired people are
going to just up and carry out

1307
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,960
of Manhattan.
And even if they were able to

1308
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,160
get to the methane.
How you going to get it back and

1309
01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,400
your boat blew up?
How you going to get it back?

1310
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:02,000
Y'all don't have a boat?
I and I'm pretty sure the Croat

1311
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,080
probably has one stashed around
the city somewhere.

1312
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:10,160
But here's the thing.
First y'all got to drain the

1313
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:16,200
tanks, then y'all got to take
apart the tanks, Then y'all?

1314
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:17,080
No.
Excuse me.

1315
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:18,480
Excuse me.
I'm sorry.

1316
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,720
Let me go back.
First you got to take the

1317
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,760
walkers out of the tanks.
That might be in the tanks.

1318
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,240
Then you got to drain the tanks.
Then you got to take apart the

1319
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,360
tanks.
Then you got to figure out how

1320
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,320
you're going to move the tanks,
because those things are not

1321
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,080
like.
Hell no, I'm thinking.

1322
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,120
So you got to figure out who's
going to move the tanks, who's

1323
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:45,120
going to be on lookout while
y'all are moving the tanks and

1324
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,520
all those lookouts, are y'all
gonna trust them enough to give

1325
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,040
them guns?
Because if it's any, because if

1326
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:53,880
it's Maggie or any of her people
that are there because, or not

1327
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,920
even her people, the other
people that they've conscripted

1328
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,200
that are not New Babylonians,
any of them motherfuckers might

1329
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:03,840
run.
Yeah, so you gotta trust the

1330
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,280
people who are gonna watch you
carry these heavy ass tanks out

1331
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,880
of the hotel.
And then once you're out, now

1332
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,320
you gotta get away from the
Boraxi and you got to get away

1333
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,640
from the walkers.
And you can't run with those

1334
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,680
tanks.
If walkers are coming after you.

1335
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,440
Then you got to figure out where
the hell to go.

1336
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:22,960
You got to figure out how to
get.

1337
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:27,200
They did not think this through.
Oh well.

1338
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,720
Or you can just kidnap the Croat
and make him tell you how to do

1339
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:35,480
shit.
Stealing one person is way

1340
01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:37,040
better than trying to steal a
setup.

1341
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,960
And I don't know why we didn't
think about this when we were

1342
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,120
talking about this.
The 1st 2 episodes, That's all

1343
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:43,720
you gotta do.
Steal the Croat.

1344
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,240
Yeah, like have him.
Teach you.

1345
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:52,640
But I said that in the
beginning.

1346
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,600
I said that in the beginning
when they pulled up.

1347
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,160
Why y'all just and why y'all
always gotta take some shit?

1348
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,280
Just answer, can you?
Can you teach us 'cause that'll

1349
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,760
get you way further than trying
to take over some shit.

1350
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,200
You already lost half your
people.

1351
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,400
Well, you could have just said.
Hey, what?

1352
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:17,800
Just wondering, right?
And then at that point if he

1353
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:21,040
said no, then kidnap him but
you, he might have been like

1354
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,760
shit, if you get your method,
you'll leave my method.

1355
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,960
Let me show you how to do it.
They're not looking at the

1356
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,000
grander picture.
Y'all just thinking, y'all just

1357
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,080
gonna go take some shit 'cause
you got a couple guns but you

1358
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,640
don't know what they have.
If they smart enough to make

1359
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:40,360
methane, if they know how to
make Walker bombs and they they

1360
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:45,200
know how to do all that, leave
them alone.

1361
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,880
Ask nicely.
Do you think you'd be able to

1362
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,120
help us with our setup for
methane?

1363
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,920
And if they say no, then you go
back and kidnap to grow ahead.

1364
01:22:54,320 --> 01:23:00,600
But at least ask first.
Like, I don't think in this, in

1365
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:06,400
this world, they have courtesy
cause a courtesy gives you any a

1366
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,840
courtesy would be like, you
know, it, it might shock some

1367
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,600
people 'cause they be like, oh,
you're not just gonna try to

1368
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,400
take it.
Oh, you're gonna oh, oh it.

1369
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,280
Sure, I think it depends on the
people, because that's true.

1370
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,520
That and not even the
Alexandrians because they kept

1371
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:26,200
to themselves.
Kingdom Hilltop, they had

1372
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:30,400
agreements with each other, even
though Greg Gregy Gregory wasn't

1373
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,760
asked about it, but still they
did have trading agreements.

1374
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,800
And then once Rick and them took
over Alexandria, they had

1375
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,320
trading agreements with them.
And then there was what's a

1376
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:45,440
fourth community?
Or they tried it with Oceanside,

1377
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:49,800
you know, so it's it's like it
can be done.

1378
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:56,280
But as I explained in last
episode, human nature, what we

1379
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,200
see, most people are going to be
ugly and try to take first.

1380
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,520
And it's not just in The Walking
Dead, we see it in any type of

1381
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,960
dystopian future.
There's always those types of

1382
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:11,160
groups or factions.
They're, they're always looking

1383
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,280
to oppress somebody.
Like when the world comes to an

1384
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,240
end and you start building new
societies, what's the first

1385
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,000
thing you try to do?
Oppress other people, Separate

1386
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,680
people into two different groups
and, and, you know, 'cause

1387
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:29,880
segregation and distrust.
And yeah, like, like you said,

1388
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,560
they could have just kidnapped
the Croat.

1389
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:33,520
Matter of fact, that's a great
idea.

1390
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:38,360
That's a great idea.
Eat that for when the the

1391
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,400
apocalypse happens.
Just just steal the smart

1392
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:46,160
person.
And they probably would have to

1393
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,760
steal him because I don't think
he would be the type to go

1394
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:54,560
willingly because the methane
makes you the methane.

1395
01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:00,280
Being able to make the methane,
if he were to go out into the

1396
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:04,520
rest of the world or the rest of
the country, that would make him

1397
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,200
one, a very popular person, but
also a very dangerous person.

1398
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:12,120
But you but you also see the
Dumber don't give a fuck 'cause

1399
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,480
she just let him go run around
so the fuck about him.

1400
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,240
But you know what?
Because he has the barazi.

1401
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,920
And for whatever reason, the
Barazi, probably because of the

1402
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:27,240
level of comfort that they have,
because of the methane, they are

1403
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:32,560
the ones protecting him.
So maybe that's why, because I

1404
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,480
can tell you if you if you just
going to keep me in the same

1405
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:38,800
building and say I can't do
anything, I can't go anywhere

1406
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,560
because you're scared
something's going to happen to

1407
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,840
me and then to your methane.
I wouldn't make any more

1408
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,880
methane.
I would be like, oh let me get

1409
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,320
in this elevator and just jump
out the building because if you

1410
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,600
gonna hold me prisoner anyway in
a fucking zombie apocalypse,

1411
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:55,760
what point is there?
Yeah, you're right, You're

1412
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,960
right.
So you gotta give him a little

1413
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,920
freedom, make him feel a little
important.

1414
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:05,040
And, and here's the thing, he
she probably made him feel very

1415
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:09,400
important up until Negan got
there, because he talked Negan

1416
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:15,120
up so much that she built this
whole elaborate plan like, oh,

1417
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:19,800
we need to get him out of all
these people.

1418
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,800
That's the one.
And it just all happened because

1419
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:26,840
the Croat just happened to wash
up on my Manhattan trying to

1420
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,960
roll his ass back to Croatia.
Really.

1421
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:36,440
You thought that was gonna work?
But no, he said the boat

1422
01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:38,040
crashed.
I was gonna say, well, he that

1423
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:39,400
means he does have a boat
somewhere.

1424
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:40,760
But no, he said the boat
crashed.

1425
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:47,720
So I I don't know.
I just the New Babylonians are

1426
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:49,160
dumb.
I don't like them.

1427
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:50,760
I told you I was.
I told you I was gonna be a

1428
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,200
running mantra for these
episodes.

1429
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:56,360
They are.
They are dumb because now you're

1430
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,200
trying to you're trying to take
the methane, which we have just

1431
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,400
established.
I don't know how the hell y'all

1432
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,240
planning on doing that.
But then not only that, but here

1433
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:05,880
you go.
You about to try and force a

1434
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,640
whole another group of people
who have been living in the wild

1435
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,440
for the last 20 years.
You're about to try to force

1436
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:14,920
them to become a part of your
collective.

1437
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,720
And I'm like, I don't know if
this is what you want because

1438
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,040
yeah, y'all got they don't want
no parts.

1439
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,760
I don't think so, because
something tells me these people

1440
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,680
know how to survive.
They've been doing it all the

1441
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,320
time for you.
Grace their doorstep.

1442
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,720
So, so I don't know, maybe the
New Babylonians are the group

1443
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,600
that's going to end up dead.
That would not bother me as

1444
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,320
much.
This new group, they just

1445
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,760
sitting there minding their
business, bake, baking 20 year

1446
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,320
old cookies that were in the
cafe.

1447
01:27:48,440 --> 01:27:53,960
So yeah, I just leave them
alone, but I'm Novias isn't

1448
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:55,200
gonna do that.
They gonna do that.

1449
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,800
They gonna do it.
So like you said, I have a

1450
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,480
feeling we're gonna see them,
probably one more episode and

1451
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:06,400
then that's gonna be it.
Yeah, that's, that's, that's my

1452
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,840
thought.
They they, they they gonna pull

1453
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:13,760
through one MO, one MO, one MO
after that.

1454
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,560
Oh, they were such a nice
people.

1455
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,000
Right.
'Cause they don't give us, they

1456
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:26,240
never give us too much
information about any groups.

1457
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:29,840
This one they give me
information a little bit.

1458
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,080
Well, yeah, 'cause they did with
that group from the last season.

1459
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,480
2 What?
What were they called the the

1460
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:42,960
the tribesmen or something?
They're here today, going

1461
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:49,400
tomorrow, 'cause who remembers?
Oh goodness, they.

1462
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:53,600
Wiped them out so quick and hell
that even goes with the one who

1463
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,040
the ones who live.
They knocked them out so God

1464
01:28:56,040 --> 01:29:00,120
damn quick.
Oh, we're not gonna talk about.

1465
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:02,920
I mean if you is not a main
character your your time is

1466
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,200
short here.
We're not gonna talk about that

1467
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:07,920
'cause I'm still mad about Nat's
death.

1468
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,040
He could have.
Been yeah, they they could have

1469
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,040
let.
They could, they could, They

1470
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,040
could have.
They could just let.

1471
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,360
Hear my boy.
Anyway, what else we need to

1472
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:19,600
talk about for this episode?
I think we, I think we pretty

1473
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,440
much covered it all, everything.
But the main thing is the New

1474
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:24,680
Babylonians are stupid.
They're they're dumb.

1475
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:31,600
They're dumb as fuck.
Yeah, yeah.

1476
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,640
You ain't lied, no lies
detected.

1477
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:41,240
So I, I'm, I'm curious to see
how much more of the Dhamma and

1478
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:46,240
Herschel's background we're
going to see and to see kind of

1479
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,440
where that culminate.
Like I wanna know, does she

1480
01:29:48,440 --> 01:29:55,880
actually have control over him?
Or is this just angry teenager

1481
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:59,560
latching on to what nice old
lady says?

1482
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,400
And then we also have to figure
out if she brainwashed him, why

1483
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:08,520
she take his toe.
That I wanna know.

1484
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:11,680
I do wanna know that if.
She brainwashed him.

1485
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,360
Why take the toe?
Like, did you really need to

1486
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,880
have a souvenir that much?
Oh, something to remember.

1487
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,920
Something to remember you by,
bitch.

1488
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:21,600
He could have drew your pose a
picture.

1489
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:28,040
Bad you don't want any pictures
you want my goddamn tongue Yeah

1490
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,320
she she he didn't need to tell
that's that's that's like a

1491
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,560
marvel reference Rocket always
want the leg or the eye.

1492
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,040
You will you want something to
me have no need for.

1493
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:45,520
Right.
OK, so Diamond Herschel, I wanna

1494
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:51,240
see where that goes at.
At at some point, we we know

1495
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:53,280
Negan and Maggie have to come
face to face.

1496
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:57,120
So again, it's gonna be
interesting to see how that goes

1497
01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:02,840
because I don't think, I don't
think Negan is expecting Maggie

1498
01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,200
to be there.
But if Herschel is there, you

1499
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:10,400
gotta think that he he he.
Either he knows Maggie is there

1500
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:16,320
or he knows Maggie is coming.
That woman is not letting her

1501
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,840
show out of her sight too
fucking far.

1502
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,360
She's just not well.
If she's not paying attention to

1503
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:28,880
him, she could easily do so
because she too busy focusing on

1504
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,120
other shit that she don't need
to be focusing on.

1505
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,360
I mean, you're right, but the
same.

1506
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,280
I mean, we'll, we'll see.
We.

1507
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:46,000
Gonna we gonna see so.
Let's see, I think what we're on

1508
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,560
episode 3.
We have five more episodes,

1509
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,040
which like I said, I didn't
realize that they added two

1510
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,280
episodes to this season because
we only got 6 episodes last

1511
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,280
season.
So we got 8 episodes this

1512
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:01,680
season, which is cool because
usually the, the shows are

1513
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,200
giving us like they'll start out
with 10 episodes and then they

1514
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:06,280
drop down to 8, then they drop
down to seven.

1515
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,320
So I'm, I like that we've got
more.

1516
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:15,120
As of right now, there is no
renewal news for, for season 3.

1517
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:23,400
I, I don't know how that's gonna
go.

1518
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:27,240
We know Daryl Dixon is already,
they're filming season 4

1519
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,560
already.
So but but I think that show

1520
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,840
also does a little bit better in
the ratings than than Dead City

1521
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,640
does.
But it's Negan and Maggie.

1522
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:40,120
Something tells me that they
probably will get renewed just

1523
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,760
because it's those two
characters, because because even

1524
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,720
though I will say, even though
Maggie is getting on my nerves,

1525
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:52,400
I do still want to see some kind
of not even a it doesn't have to

1526
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,800
be a resolution between her and
Negan.

1527
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:57,640
I just want them to come to an
understanding.

1528
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:01,040
You know what I'm saying?
OK, I'm not trying to, I'm

1529
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,160
trying not to be the person that
you Remember Me to be.

1530
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:12,240
Let me learn and grow and you
know, whatever.

1531
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,200
And then I need you to stop
focusing so much on him.

1532
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,120
Let this man be.
Let this man grow.

1533
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,320
Let this man mature.
Let this man do what he's going

1534
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:26,520
to do.
Focus on your God damn kid cause

1535
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:29,640
please you are in trouble right
now.

1536
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,720
Please.
Focus on that little boy.

1537
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:37,480
Because somebody else has shown
an interest in him that you

1538
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:39,400
never have.
And not in a good way.

1539
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:45,280
Not in a good way.
What I mean it, it all depends

1540
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:50,400
because we don't know if she's
brainwashing him or teaching him

1541
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,720
to do anything bad.
She's literally telling him

1542
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stuff that he already knows and
that he probably can't

1543
01:33:56,120 --> 01:34:00,240
articulate.
But she's like, OK, we just want

1544
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,440
to make the city great.
You see the city the way it is.

1545
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:06,440
So just show, just show me what
your vision is.

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01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:10,840
I can't say for sure right now
that that's there's any evil

1547
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:15,040
intent in it unless she's, you
know, Well, then again, this is

1548
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:16,640
flashback.
So I was going to say, yeah, she

1549
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,080
was using him as a way to get to
Megan.

1550
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:24,800
But I mean, she has Megan now.
So I want to, again, I want to

1551
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:29,840
see kind of how deep that bond
goes and what exactly the

1552
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,800
relationship is with him and
her.

1553
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,280
We already know that he signaled
to let them know they were

1554
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,760
coming.
So OK.

1555
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:40,560
Alright.
Hershel, you got any final

1556
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:45,880
thoughts on this episode?
Kidnapped the Croat.

1557
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:51,440
And on that note, that is it for
our show.

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01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:55,080
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01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:57,840
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01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,600
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01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,480
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01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:04,200
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01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,840
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