The Walking Dead: Dead City Season 2 Episode 4 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #367

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Michelle and Casey and we
are discussing season 2, episode

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4 of The Walking Dead.
Dead City, otherwise known as

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Ultimate Fighting Championship
Walker style.

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OK, OK, I'm I'm gonna start this
off with a very simple

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statement.
Bruegel is weird.

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He is.
He is very weird.

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Eccentric.
He's just, you know, Yeah.

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I like that word That's
eccentric is better.

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It's eccentric.
OK.

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I guess you just, first of all,
you're keeping something in your

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in your room that you're feeding
rats too.

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And something tells me that's
not a Walker.

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Something told me that even
before we got the reveal at the

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end, I was like, yeah, he was a
little too controlled, right?

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Pulling that back, pulling that
bucket in.

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Then he started munching on the
rest and I was like, well, maybe

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it is a Walker.
No, it wasn't.

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Not so much.
Yeah, and it's like all

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throughout the episode, just
different things that he was

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saying He, you know, when
they're talking about the Walker

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and how he's winning so many, so
many of the the little fights

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that they have with the other
communities.

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And then when he started talking
about his bodyguard and how even

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after everything, the bodyguard
was still a lawyer, I was like,

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then where he at?
And I was like, oh, you know

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what?
I bet you that's the bodyguard.

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But I thought it was a Walker,
right?

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I was like, OK, so Tony, the
bodyguard probably died

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protecting him.
And now he's using him as the

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Walker to do, you know, to do
the fights.

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And then stuff just started not
adding up.

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I don't know if it was something
that I was just hearing or if

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you guys heard it too.
But when he was doing the match

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with the the first other Walker
they were doing, did you just

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like some grunt grunting noises
and like like when he was

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hitting the other Walker?
I didn't.

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Pay attention to that.
I didn't either and I'm looking

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at it now.
Like that sounds a bit human,

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but he moved.
He moved a little like a Walker,

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but just like the other ones, I
forgot who was, it was Megan.

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I think he was like, yeah, he
moves kind of fast.

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He moves kind of quick.
And I was like, well, we, we

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have seen some walkers move fast
like that.

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Right.
And Megan definitely has.

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He's seen one that like,
crawled.

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On top of the trash.
Can he was.

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Like, what the fuck?
Yeah, so he's seen.

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So yeah, I was thinking, I said,
OK, well, maybe he has one of

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those, you know, variant walkers
or something.

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Was not expecting that.
It was the actual bodyguard,

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like the human bodyguard.
And I was like, this just made

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me despise you so much more.
Like, I didn't care.

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Like his character didn't bother
me at first.

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I was like, OK, yeah, he's a
little weird, but he's kind of

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funny and he's kind of, you
know, he's putting a little bit

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of a Comic Relief to the whole
situation.

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I was like, OK, I can deal with
him.

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He can, he can live, 'cause you
know, I want everybody else on

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the show to die.
After I saw that, I was like, Oh

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no, you need to die of pain for
death, Sir, 'cause.

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You've been cheating this whole
entire time.

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Yeah, the whole time you like,
kicked the phone out of their

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home.
Right.

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So I'm like, now we need to go
back to there was another

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fighting episode.
We need to go back and see if we

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can tell the difference.
Yeah, I think that was the that

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was the episode where Christos
lost that particular.

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He did.
He lost that fight in.

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The museum.
Yeah.

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So even he was like, some may
right, Right, right.

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Because like *** said, this is a
big Frankenstein type monster.

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Like something something's not
right about.

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OK, so we know.
But yeah, Bruegel is, he's weird

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to me.
And I think, I think it's more

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so the way that he speaks
because he's very obviously

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putting on this fake, you know,
welcome and welcome and welcome.

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I'm like, dude just cut through
the bullshit.

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This was that way in the
beginning to remember how

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charming and charismatic he was.
And it was.

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It felt then too, so.
But it's not like we haven't

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seen it before, and we know.
People gonna put on the little

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showy show, you know, I know
that looks like but I want to

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know what he did before 'cause
he keeps talking about yes, I

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was I was big and important
before and and blah blah blah.

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What did you?
Do Yeah.

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So what were you?
What were you but OK, Speaking

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of what people were we finally
find out what the dollar was

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before this thing.
She's she's a biter.

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I really thought, what's his
name?

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Pierce Milton 2.0.
I really thought he was about to

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get killed.
Baby, the way she looked at him

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like.
She did not like being outed

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like that at all because he was
like, Oh no, I know where I know

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you're from.
And she's looking at him like,

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no, you don't.
He's I was.

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Doing this research and block
and you can see her face just

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change and she was like she and
and she I don't know, she had

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some weird reactions too because
she was sitting there like and I

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was like, oh, she about to
explode.

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And she about to.
Explode.

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And she was just like, I did him
and it was just like *** sitting

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there looking at her like ***
was getting such a kick out of

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it.
And she knew he was getting the

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kick out of it because what does
she do?

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She brings up Herschel and the
fact that she knows that

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Herschel is there because he was
the one that sent the smoke

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smoke signal.
Which we knew.

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We knew.
Yeah, we knew that.

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I mean, we knew it.
I mean, it's one thing to think

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it and to kind of, you know,
suspect, but for her to confirm

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it, Oh, I knew our guy was
involved the minute he said that

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smoke signal.
And you can see Negan trying not

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to, He's trying not to react.
He's like, what the fuck?

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Like what did you do to this
boy?

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You took his toll.
He's sending you.

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So smoke signals.
They're here on the what what is

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going on?
What is going on?

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And he knows.
I mean, he, he knows because he

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knows who the boy's mom is.
And, you know, dama's like, very

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convincing and things.
So he's like, yeah, OK.

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It's just not right.
Little creepy, but OK.

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Right, like, OK, this is not
right.

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He he's working with her.
And I mean, but when he sees

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Maggie later on their first face
to face, he's like, you can't

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trust Herschel, which I
understand him trying to warn

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her.
And he has a valid point.

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Maggie even knows that that
something is not right with

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Herschel, right?
But you really don't think she

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was going to take listen to that
from you, right?

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No, there has to be a point
where.

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Maggie always gonna have
blinders on when it comes to her

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show period 'cause that's her
key, like we all do when it

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comes to her children.
We never want to serious kill

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them.
Think it's the fact that she has

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blinders because I really don't
think she does.

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Because like I said in that
first episode or that second

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episode when she noticed the
blue Bandit, she put two and two

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together and she's been asking
him questions like, Are you sure

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the city doesn't have a pull on
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Whatever, whatever I think the
thing that bothered her in this

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episode was the fact that Negan
knew and she only suspected.

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You know, it's like how are how
how are you?

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How do you know this?
Like why do you know about my

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son?
And I don't want to say she

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doesn't, but like I said, she.
Is she's in denial.

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See, that's the thing.
It's like she she does know, but

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don't really wanna know and
don't really wanna come to that

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conclusion, which is like
flashing lights.

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Flashing lights like, you know,
and then someone else who hasn't

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even been around is telling you
right, that he's doing these

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things.
And you're like, Oh no, I do

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know, but I just don't want it
to be true, honey.

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And then you see, and then she
sees the Dhamma and she realizes

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that that finally Herschel drew
was of a real person.

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Cause Herschel told her that it
was just a drawing.

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He did.
He didn't tell her it was a real

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person, even though if you look
at it, if you know anything

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about art, you knew that was a
real person.

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That was too realistic for it
not to be right.

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But Maggie.
But then it was the way that

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once Dhamma saw her, she was
like, OK and.

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But yeah, I know you're here.
Baby.

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And I think that's what that's
probably what freaked Maggie

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out.
She was like, wait, she just

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looking at me like she's not
calling for anybody.

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She's not saying, hey, we have
an intruder.

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She's looking at me like she.
Already knew I was here and yes.

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And what you gonna do?
Yeah, she probably don't know

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Maggie.
Probably at that point, we know

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Maggie don't know the extent of
the hold that Dama has on her,

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but Dama's looking at her like,
even if she did know.

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OK.
And what you gonna do about it?

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Nothing.
Yeah, she probably at that

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moment though figure because
they were in there and you know,

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Herschel was well, like, oh, I
could, I could, I could cause a

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distraction or I could do such,
such.

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I think she probably figured out
like, oh, if this woman is real,

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then that's my, my son has seen
her and my son went looking for

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her.
I think those pieces are

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starting to fit together for
her, especially after, you know,

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she has the conversation with
Herschel earlier, right before

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that about the whole fire
Firefly thing and whether or not

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his recollection of it is
different from what she's told

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him all these years.
And I think she's starting to

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really see how screwed up her
grief has made her relationship

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with her child.
It's like every time she's

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learning more and more and there
are certain things I feel like

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she really isn't seeing.
Like, when they start out the

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episode, Hurley, Herschel and
Maggie, they are the ones who

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are going to go to to Manhattan
to try to see if they can find

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out where the methane is.
And they start going into, like,

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a lot of stuff from the old
world because Pearly is like,

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OK, so the museum should be two
blocks from here.

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Herschel's like, how do you know
all this stuff?

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And that's what Maggie says, oh,
he grew up around here.

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And Herschel's looking at him
kind of curious, so they start

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talking about different little
things.

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He tells them about his brother,
him and his brother cutting

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school.
And, you know, we used to pull

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the fire alarm.
And it was so funny because

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Herschel was like, what's fire
alarm?

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And then Pearly and Maggie and
looking at each other like.

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Oh.
Wait, he doesn't know.

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And then they're sitting there
trying to figure out how to

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explain it to him, because they
probably haven't had to do that

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before.
And they're like, it's a, a, a,

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a noise.
And you, you pull it like, OK.

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And then they start talking
about other things.

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They start talking about candy
bars.

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I think Pearly asked the
question, what, what food do you

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miss the most?
And so they have this

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conversation, He mentions the
candy bars and they start

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singing the Kit Kat song.
And I don't know if you noticed

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it.
I think this was the first time.

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Herschel looked at his mom with
a genuine smile.

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Because I don't think he's ever
seen her be silly like that

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before.
He has it.

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And and he, he's looking at her
and he's smiling and she talks

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about the candy bar.
And she was like, the last time

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I had a candy bar, I was three
years in.

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It was my birthday.
And then she kind of gets quiet

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and he gave it to me.
And we know she's talking about

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Glenn.
And immediately Herschel's mood

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changes.
And I was like, Maggie, you just

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missed a whole opportunity here.
You could have that could have

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been a moment for you to to talk
about his father without the

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sadness.
You.

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I mean, that was a great memory,
right?

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It was your birthday.
Three years into a zombie

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apocalypse.
Almost all the real food is gone

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and you find a candy bar and and
you could have you could have

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turned that into such a positive
thing for her.

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So especially since you already
know something's not right and

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you just, I was just like
Maggie.

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What is it going to take for you
to learn a lot?

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Cause her focus, it's like, but
we said that before, like she,

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she can't, she can't see the
forest from the trees.

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She don't realize all the damage
that she's doing.

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You know what I mean?
Her her focus is so vegan

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focused that you missing the the
thing that's literally right in

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front of you.
Yeah, that's how her she was

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feeling like I'm literally right
here.

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Yeah.
You don't tell me nothing good

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about my dad, Yo, You know, we
our our focus has been on his

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death, never on how he lived,
right?

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Y'all know Glenn was Glenn was
that dude?

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Yeah, You know what I mean?
That's the thing that she should

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be teaching her so how amazing
her dad was.

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But you so focused on the way
and the manner in which he died

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that, yeah, I don't think, I
don't think even at this point

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she could try to explain the
good stuff about Glenn to him

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and he would get it.
I'm I I'm just sitting here

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really wondering if she even
remembers now.

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It's been so long as you have.
You have so fist of that long

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grief.
Yeah.

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And, and also, you know, we, we
were at ATL Comic Convention

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earlier this weekend and we, you
know, we did our usual Maggie

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panel.
And there was something that I

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mentioned, something that I
thought about last week before

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we did the panel.
We always talk about Maggie and,

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and her grief and how she's just
kind of, she doesn't know how to

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let go.
And I hate to say it, all of

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that is Herschel's fault because
from a very young age, Maggie

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didn't know how to deal with
grief.

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You know, she lost her.
She lost her mom when she was

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very young.
And what does Herschel do?

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Herschel goes out, gets drunk.
He becomes an alcoholic.

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Maggie is pretty much left to
fend for herself while she's

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grieving both parents.
Because you're grieving your mom

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because your mom is not here.
Now you're grieving your dad

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because your dad is just an
absentee alcoholic father.

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Now things get better somewhat.
He gets remarried.

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He has Beth.
They have, you know, they're

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Sean.
Everything is OK.

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Zombie apocalypse happens.
Neighbors die, your wife dies,

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your stepson dies.
And instead of dealing with that

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grief, you like everyone in the
in the barn because you think

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that they're just sick and the
government is going to have a

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cure and make everyone better.
It wasn't until Rick and his

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people got there and shame
forced them.

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Well, I won't even say shame for
Maggie.

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Glenn was the one who told her
this.

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She ain't right.
This is crazy, this is sick.

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Y'all need to put them.
Y'all need to put them out of

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their misery, bury them, move
on.

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So I don't even think she knows
how to deal with grief because

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she's never had a good example.
And then, of course, once the

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barn happened, it's like
everything just started.

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The dominoes started falling.
You lose.

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Other people, you lose.
What?

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What was his name?
Otis, you lose.

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Patricia, you lose.
Otis.

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Otis wasn't really lost.
Otis.

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Well, but he was her family
still, you know what I'm saying?

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And and she doesn't know the
truth.

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She probably still doesn't know
the truth about what happened.

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So it's been one thing after
another after another after

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another, and she just don't know
how to deal.

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Herschel was not a good example
for her.

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And unfortunately, she's passing
that on to her son.

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And not only her son, you got to
see Jenny got a little bit of it

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too, even in this episode,
because here's another child

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that is in your care that you're
supposed to be responsible for.

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You don't even know this chick
is running around with a gun.

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You know, just.
But you know who does?

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What does she got a gun?
Your favorite person in the

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world?
It's the iro.

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I want her to die.
I want Novias to die.

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I want her to die a painful
death.

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Even though I would say she
wasn't all that bad in in this

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episode.
She got a little snarky with

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Pearly.
And then I think she saw an

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opportunity with Jenny again.
And you know what?

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It struck me.
I was like, oh, this is kind of

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sort of how the Dahmer got in
with Herschel Novius is getting

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in with Jenny, 'cause she's
like, OK, you got my gun.

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But let me tell you the history
behind this gun.

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She was like, you know, I was
when all this stuff started, I

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had family all around me.
And then everybody was gone.

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And I was by myself for a very
long time.

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And then Governor Byrd found me.
She gave me home.

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She gave me a purpose.
She taught me the law.

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She gave me this gun.
And when she finds out?

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To be an A hole too.
Sorry, no.

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But you know what?
She probably became that because

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she was she was back on her own
for so long that could do it to

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a person.
Or the power, but OK.

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That's that's something the
power 'cause you see how she

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talks to take care though,
talking, talking.

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To she's, she's just mad, 'cause
he, she won't, he won't let her

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try to recruit those folks.
But I, you know, when she's

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having a conversation with Jenny
and she gives Jenny back the

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gun, 'cause she was like, yeah,
you know, when people get

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murdered, there's supposed to be
retribution.

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She was like, that's what
Governor Byrd taught me.

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So where's the rest?
Retribution for you killing all

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the people that you don't kill?
But anyway, she gives Jenny the

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gun.
Jenny turns around and she was

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like, hey, so you said the guy
who killed your father was on

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the island.
And Jenny just turns and looks

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at her and she gives her like
this slight nod.

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She says what's his name mean?
And I said God damn it like how

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did you even Why would you even
think that that out of all the

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people why are you focused on
Megan?

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Nobody else 'cause she always
because that way she know that

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damn Pearly is a liar and a
traitor.

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But why would you even think of
like it's been a year, y'all

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haven't even thought about
Megan, Why would you?

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'Cause everybody else thinking
about Negan, so let's just throw

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his name in the pot.
They all got reason to think

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about Negan.
Everybody else.

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Who else could it be?
I mean, that's where everybody.

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And especially, especially with
Pearly, Herschel and Maggie

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being the ones to go off them,
the ones knowing that Negan is

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the one to negotiate you.
You don't think she like?

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Yeah, she, she might be smart
enough to figure that out.

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I mean, I don't know how she
couldn't even figure out how to.

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She couldn't even figure out a
strategy of getting them on the

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island without including a boat.
But anyway.

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She irritating, not stupid.
No, she a living on the stupid

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side too.
She is.

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She just happened to be a little
smart in this episode.

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Like she saw some stuff was off
and she's like OK but.

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That's gonna be a problem for
Pearly.

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If Jenny told her to answer,
that's good.

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That's about to be a problem for
Pearly.

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For real.
Gonna be a problem anyway,

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'cause hell, wouldn't he get
picture on the?

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His photo was on the little one
inside, right?

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It wasn't just his name.
So anybody from it don't even

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have to necessarily be Levias.
Anybody who sees him will know

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that Pearly didn't kill him
'cause it was like a whole

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warning post 'cause he.
Was but everybody else is there

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in the thing.
The only people who went to

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Manhattan was was Maggie, Maggie
Pearly and Herschel.

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But no, no, no, I'm saying the
people from New Babylon, they

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was on that boat.
They know Negan was wanted.

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Yeah, but nobody, I don't think
anybody else cares.

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That.
Whether he's dead or alive.

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Well, they all about the law.
They do care that he's alive.

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That part 'cause if you told
your people I killed me with my

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own two hands, they'd have
framed you, you the, you know,

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the giant Slayer.
And then they find out.

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I don't.
I don't know if there's anybody

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else.
Are there any other New Babylon

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people?
Because we know that there are

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people that they conscripted
from other communities.

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Are there any other New Babylon
people with her aside from

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Pearly?
Yes.

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Who?
Wasn't the mayor with them?

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She the one who got ate by the
tree.

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Remember the woman I'm talking
about?

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Who's there now?
Like who else is wondering about

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*** Nobody else.
Nobody cares about *** except

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for her, and I'm guessing she's
probably only thinking about

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Negan because she's trying to
figure out a way to get Pearly

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out the way so she can be in
charge so she can make these.

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Yes, these people.
So if it was her knowing that

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Negan is alive, once she
confirms that she can then

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arrest Pearly and now she in.
Charge, Yeah.

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So it matter, it matter she want
to be in charge so bad.

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You know how people who and what
gotta be in charge gotta be in

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charge, you know, we all know
them people I know.

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So it, it matters to somebody,
matter to her.

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If nobody else it matter to her,
'cause then once she lock him

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up, Oh well, why did you lock
him up?

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Oh, 'cause he said he killed me
and he didn't.

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But here's my question.
I wonder if she's going to be

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dumb enough to try to go after
*** and once she is, once it's

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known that he's alive, like is
she going to try to do that so

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that she can be?
No, I don't know.

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Her focus is going to be Perly.
Yeah.

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Her her focus is going to be
Perly.

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No, I'm talking about after
pieces when she gets perly out

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the way.
Now you got to do something else

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to, I guess, kind of cement your
position because, OK, yeah, you

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exposed him for the lie.
But technically speaking, if

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Negan is still alive, he's still
a wanted man.

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So are are you about to be
stupid enough to try to go after

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this man 'cause I'm sorry, I I
get it to you.

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You know, you think you're big
and bad and you got a mouth.

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You ain't nothing compared to me
yet.

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But that, no, that's why she
gave the gun.

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That's why she gave the gun back
to Jimmy.

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She ain't gonna be the one to do
it, 'cause if Jenny already

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knows me again, that's he's.
She's one step closer to

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getting.
So she can get rid of him for.

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Correct, because if he sees
Novias, he's like, what the fuck

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is it and get the hell on.
He don't know she's from New

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Babylon.
No, I'm not sticking around for

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this, but Jenny, he or he'll
kill her or he'll kill her.

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Same thing as Maggie, though.
Maggie can get close to me

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because of the, you know, it's
the history, the history that

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they have.
Yeah.

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Jimmy can't get close.
Even if though she pissed off

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that she upset, didn't get close
to me, 'cause of me.

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And see, remember last time he
saw her, I killed your daddy.

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Get away.
Go.

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Let them take care of you.
So to find out she back on the

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island 'cause in that he didn't
see her on the he only saw

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Herschel and Maggie, right.
He only, he only saw Herschel on

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the boat.
He saw Maggie for the first time

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in this episode.
So yeah.

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He didn't see.
He didn't see Maggie on the

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boat.
Oh.

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I thought he saw her in the
binoculars too.

449
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,600
OK.
OK.

450
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:05,320
So if he only saw saw Shershel,
if he only saw her show.

451
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,560
Yeah, he this gonna be his first
time seeing Jimmy, so she would

452
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,600
be able 'cause he'd be like,
what are you doing here?

453
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,280
Come, let me make sure you say.
Yeah, I was going to say he he

454
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,200
should be asking that question
now 'cause you know, Herschel is

455
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,520
on the island, Maggie is on the
island.

456
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,440
So, you know, at some point he's
going to be like, well, where

457
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,240
the fuck is Jenny?
Did y'all leave her behind?

458
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,920
And you know that's not going to
happen because what happened the

459
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,840
last time Jenny got left behind,
she got her ass in that damn

460
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,120
cool and rolled herself.
Gross.

461
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,560
The ever the ever the the Super
is strongest cooler in creation.

462
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,720
Girl, that it must have been an
igloo.

463
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:42,680
It has to be.
Don't.

464
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,400
Get across the the damn river.
Right.

465
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:59,160
OK, going back to the Dahmer
again.

466
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,680
She need to die too.
I don't unders I, I just.

467
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,680
Gonna be a while before that
happens.

468
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,840
I understand it's gonna be a
while, you already know.

469
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,040
I feel like it, but it's, it's
like at the beginning of the

470
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,080
episode, she's in the back of
the car.

471
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,400
She's saying, you know, her
little stuff.

472
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:25,120
And again, every time, every
time Negan doesn't give her the

473
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,280
energy she wants him to give,
she mentions his family.

474
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,280
She mentioned them what, 3 or 4
times in this episode?

475
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,480
I was like, Lucille is about to
go across your head, but she

476
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,360
doesn't like even even when
they're on the way to Bruegel,

477
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,680
the Croat is like, why are we
going over here?

478
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,120
To kiss his ass?
Like we hold all the cars, we

479
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,200
hold all the power.
We're the ones who got rid of

480
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,240
the New Babylonians.
Like what did he do?

481
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,200
Nothing.
Why are we going over here?

482
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,080
She was like, well, we just won
the battle.

483
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,440
We haven't won the war yet.
We still need his people.

484
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,040
So we got to go play nice.
Why are you even in charge?

485
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,880
Why?
And then you get in there to the

486
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,000
dinner.
Bruegel is clearly being

487
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,280
condescending, even though he's
like putting it off as charming.

488
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,920
This, this mother fucker is
condescending as hell.

489
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,360
And you're just still, Oh, I
thank you for such for, for, for

490
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,880
the, the gift that you gave me,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

491
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,640
Why are you in charge?
And then you sit down to eat

492
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,360
and, and, and you let a little
20 something year old tell all

493
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,880
your business about what you
used to be and how rattled you

494
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,920
are.
And you are, you are clearly

495
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:50,400
rattled because when you start
talking about her, what what

496
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,640
about the little drawing that
you showed me?

497
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,360
Who did you say did it?
Oh, I think you said his name

498
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,520
was her.
Just she was rattled again.

499
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Why are you in charge?
You can't even hold it together

500
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,520
when somebody calls you out.
Megan sitting over there like,

501
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,760
oh, this is fun to watch.
Megan is taking notes.

502
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,280
They all be here riding the
Croat up.

503
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,800
The Croat is getting all upset
because he don't want to share

504
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,840
the method.
I thought about you, Casey.

505
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,400
When Bruegel suggested, he was
like, why don't we just build a

506
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,600
second one and you share with us
how to make it and we'll just go

507
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,680
from there.
That's what you should be doing,

508
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,040
right?
If if we all want to get along,

509
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,880
if we don't have kumbaya moment.
That's what I said.

510
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,320
That was all.
But the crow ass said fuck no

511
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,640
and he.
Said it with some force.

512
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,320
Absolutely not.
But Brugal had a point.

513
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,800
That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, had a point.

514
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:03,000
There is no reason for one.
And that's the thing, having one

515
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,560
person be the person over
everything is how we get to

516
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,560
cause it's always gonna be
somebody coming for you.

517
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,640
But if you have it and you have
not saying they had to be on the

518
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,760
grand scale that the Croat and
I'm had it, you're gonna take

519
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,600
the mini labs.
You know, many, many, many

520
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,400
Methane Studios mini ones.
So you got one over here, one

521
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,360
over here, so nobody can corner
the market on it.

522
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,920
And then if New Babylon do come
in and take over, they ain't got

523
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,680
all of it right.
You gotta go to all these places

524
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,040
to secure it, you know what I'm
saying?

525
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,760
So he had the right idea.
He.

526
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Did, but the crow hat didn't
like it, and the crow hat was

527
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,200
trying to follow.
The crow hat is not in charge.

528
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,680
Yeah, but I don't know, I'm
almost to the point where I feel

529
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,480
like he should be.
He should be.

530
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,000
Because I believe should be.
I I just don't understand why

531
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,360
the dama is so important.
She clearly can't hold her

532
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,240
emotions together now.
Yes, she can do some

533
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,040
manipulating.
She she got that part down past.

534
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,680
She can read people very well
though.

535
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,040
She can read.
People, but but readable enough

536
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,240
to be in charge of everybody.
You don't have the strength,

537
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:27,280
obviously, you don't really have
the show of force because let's

538
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:33,080
be honest, the Baratsi, those
are Croats dudes, right?

539
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,040
I've never heard them take an
order from her.

540
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,640
So it's just I I don't under I
don't understand what it is

541
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,040
about her.
Maybe maybe she just maybe she

542
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,600
does have a way of manipulating
all of them and we just haven't

543
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,520
seen it.
But I'm just like this this

544
00:31:52,520 --> 00:32:01,840
chick, like I kind of feel like
when she does get undone, it's

545
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,960
going to be on such a
spectacular level because I feel

546
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,000
like it's, she's not even going
to expect it.

547
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,800
Cause Negan is obviously taking
notes and paying attention, you

548
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,560
know?
Yeah.

549
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,480
And I think even the Croat is,
you know, he's paying attention.

550
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,880
I think he's kind of, I think
what Nina said in the last

551
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,440
episode is kind of sticking with
him about how she treats him

552
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,280
like the redheaded stepchild,
how she treats him like, you

553
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,160
know, the thing on the bottom of
her shoe.

554
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,840
He's starting to notice this
'cause he's like, making

555
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,840
suggestions to her.
He's trying to tell her.

556
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,040
OK, look, sharing the the
methane is not good.

557
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,840
By the end of the episode, you
know, when they get ready to

558
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,000
leave, instead of Megan sitting
up front with him, she's like

559
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,400
Negan, join me in the back.
So you've basically reduced the

560
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Croat to a chauffeur.
And again, none of your power,

561
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,840
none of what you're offering
these people would even exist

562
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,800
without this man.
Cuz who gonna make the call you?

563
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,600
That's the.
Thing he he don't know his own

564
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,800
damn power.
I, I don't know, I mean,

565
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,760
obviously he still feels
indebted to her for saving him,

566
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:22,480
but good grief, dude, this is, I
don't know, can can we consider

567
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,920
this like Stockholm syndrome to
the NTH degree?

568
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,000
It's.
Good, because he he, he's

569
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:38,120
blindly you, you could, even
though she's the alpha in this

570
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:43,640
relationship, he is very much a
beta, Very, very much.

571
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,440
He is one of those people who
need somebody to tell him what

572
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,200
to do.
So even though he's smarter, he

573
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480
knows, you know, more than
basically everybody there.

574
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,080
He don't have a alpha in him to
lead, which is why even when

575
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,440
Negan was the leader, you know,
he's the lap dog.

576
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,800
He don't know how to be a alpha.
Yeah, well, I don't.

577
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,159
No, I want to say he doesn't
know how I was saying more so he

578
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,560
doesn't want to be.
Because when he stood up and

579
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,679
called Brugal out in front of
everybody, that was an alpha

580
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,440
move.
That was big Dick energy.

581
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,080
To me that was just like
frustration.

582
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,719
I didn't, I didn't get Alpha
from that.

583
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,679
You didn't.
I didn't.

584
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,719
He literally just told everybody
he was like, yeah, you cheating

585
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,880
and I'm going to tell you how
you cheating and no, we're not

586
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,199
gonna do this.
I mean, I don't I don't think

587
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,239
anybody else would have stood up
to Brugal like that.

588
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,719
To me, I I think that was more
frustration than anything I

589
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:48,320
didn't get I'm and I'm in charge
by this is you know how it's

590
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,960
always one, one person like I'm
so tired of this shit.

591
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,000
It was one of them.
I'm so tired of this shit.

592
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,320
Dude, I know you cheating.
He had the potential.

593
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,720
It wasn't a you know, I'm gonna
tell you, I know you cheating.

594
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,840
This is what you're doing.
I'm about to take control of the

595
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,280
situation.
This is how somebody finally got

596
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,720
frustrated and it's the outburst
of I'm over this shit but.

597
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,760
Here's the question.
If we hadn't been introduced to

598
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,360
the Dhamma, would you still feel
that way?

599
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,760
Because remember, we went the
entire first season thinking he

600
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,720
was the one in charge.
He was very much acting like the

601
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,920
alpha.
It was when we.

602
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,840
Introduced to the Dhamma that
we're like, oh, you're not the

603
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,480
one in charge and that we've
seen his behavior kind of

604
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,520
change.
But if we hadn't have been

605
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,880
introduced to her, would you
feel still?

606
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Would you feel still?
Would you still feel that way?

607
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,400
Yes, because even remember, even
in the first season when

608
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,400
remember how he was so boring,
like when he saw me and he was

609
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,280
like, oh, trying to get
approval.

610
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,760
Oh, do you see what I did for
you?

611
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,080
Oh, do you see what I did for
you?

612
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,240
Oh, do you see what I did for
you?

613
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,480
He was always, even in the first
season, trying to get that

614
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,200
approval from we didn't know
about them, but he's trying to

615
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,840
get that approval even from me
again.

616
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,280
Yeah, but ran him off and exiled
him, all of that.

617
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,520
He still let me give me your
approval.

618
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,800
Tell me you approve of the
things that I'm doing.

619
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,120
So he was never going to be no
alpha.

620
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,080
He had that era of mystery where
we OK, where where is this?

621
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,720
But he was.
But he did a good job acting

622
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,360
like 1 because people thought he
was crazy.

623
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,840
That part.
That part, so before he realized

624
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,440
that he had some self esteem
issues.

625
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:35,320
When Negan came along, he didn't
he didn't show that to everyone

626
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,760
else.
The Domino's because she know

627
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,440
how to read people.
Negan knows, but everyone else

628
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,960
was afraid of him.
So he was kind of like their

629
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,240
alpha because they didn't know
he was crazy.

630
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,880
He did some weird things.
Yeah, true.

631
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Which also caused him that was
scary.

632
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,640
So it's not like we ain't know.
Yeah, but they don't.

633
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,680
But see, they don't know that
he's that he's weak.

634
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,280
They're just thinking, OK, we
just don't wanna cross him,

635
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,760
'cause he does some he might.
Put me in the tank next.

636
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,600
And even, right, even even in
the first season, I don't, I

637
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,000
don't think Maggie was.
So Maggie wasn't scared of him

638
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,760
himself.
She was scared of what they

639
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,720
would do to Hershel.
So yeah, I don't think there was

640
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,720
ever for me.
I don't think there was ever

641
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:24,280
like a fear of him.
It's the worry of I need to get

642
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,280
my son back because you
threatened to kill him if I

643
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,680
don't bring you Megan.
But I don't think she was scared

644
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,480
of the Croat, you know what I
mean?

645
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,600
Yeah, I'm scared of your threat.
I'm not scared of you.

646
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,240
OK, yeah, that's just my
thought.

647
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,680
But I mean, let's be honest,
Maggie don't scare easily.

648
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,960
She's.
Scared for Herschel?

649
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,920
I I know, but that's but I'm I'm
saying as far.

650
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,840
As how she's.
Treating, yeah, in general, like

651
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,560
'cause even with Pope, like she
was scared for what he would do

652
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,160
to her people and for what he
did to her people.

653
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,800
But when it came time for her to
go up against him, she was like,

654
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,080
oh, no, we're about to go do
this.

655
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,520
We're about to go take this
back.

656
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,080
Like Maggie ain't never been one
to back down.

657
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:18,800
True.
So, but OK, still going with the

658
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:24,160
Croat real quick because was he
the one that actually set the

659
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,560
fire or was Megan the one that
set the fire to the painting?

660
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,440
Herschel was OK.
I thought that too, but then.

661
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,520
All in that room together,
remember?

662
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,720
And then they all ran to go see
where the thing was, and when it

663
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:42,840
was knocked over, Dhamma saw the
door close.

664
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,040
OK, that's what I thought I saw,
but I wasn't sure.

665
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,680
I was like, OK, is he the one
that said it?

666
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,360
Because when she went to Negan,
she went to Negan.

667
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,720
Like she thought Negan did it
because she was like, OK,

668
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,200
they're smart and then they're
stupid and, you know, whatever,

669
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,600
whatever.
And he was like, well, you know,

670
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,040
he kind of played it off like he
was the one that did it.

671
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,880
So I don't know.
But no, they was all together

672
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,760
OK.
'Cause.

673
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Then 'cause then remember when,
when they were in that room,

674
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,640
Donna saw the door closed, and
then remember Maggie whistled.

675
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,880
And so that's why Negan went and
left.

676
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,240
And I do remember that.
And that's what was throwing me

677
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,520
off, because I thought it was
Herschel at first.

678
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,920
But then when I rewatched it,
for Donna to come at him and

679
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,840
say, OK, you know what?
There's there's, you know,

680
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,280
there's what did she say?
They're stupid and there's

681
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,600
something else.
She basically, it's almost like

682
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,160
she thought that he was the one
that did it or he was the one

683
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:46,560
that that had it done, whatever.
Because I'm like, OK, that

684
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,360
painting went up fairly fast.
So he couldn't have set it on

685
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,240
fire when they were in there the
first time.

686
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,000
But the the Croat kind of stayed
behind then.

687
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,080
So I was like, OK, so did he rig
something?

688
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,560
To make it go up.
So that's why I was all all

689
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:06,320
confused.
Oh, that's what it was, she

690
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,680
said.
There's liking the underdog and

691
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,360
then there's just being stupid.
And he was like but.

692
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,360
I thought she was talking for
that.

693
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,720
I thought she was talking about
the fight.

694
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,240
Oh.
OK, see, I thought because they

695
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:20,880
were in the room and the the
fire was actively going, I

696
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,800
thought she was approaching him.
Like, did you do this?

697
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,400
Like I know we're looking for in
a distraction and some way to

698
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,440
throw Brugal off his game, but
this is stupid.

699
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,160
Right.
No, OK, No.

700
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,800
I thought that comment was in
reference to saying, remember,

701
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,120
'cause he was like, I could pick
any Walker and they could beat

702
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,280
your guy.
And remember, that's when he got

703
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,120
the guy off the tow truck who
didn't have nothing.

704
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,320
You know, I was.
That was my interpretation of

705
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,480
it.
OK, 'cause I would have thought

706
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,680
if she would have said something
like that, she would have said

707
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,640
it while they were in the room.
She probably would have looked

708
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,760
at him and be like excuse what
the fuck you doing?

709
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,840
Like, yeah, no, I I took that as
the Walker fight.

710
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,320
Gotcha.
OK.

711
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,000
Because remember he was, he was
in in the Walker fight.

712
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,080
He was like, we don't need that.
We don't need and remember he

713
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,760
just put the oil on him.
And see, I thought that was, I

714
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,440
was thinking that was just a
distraction, like, Oh yeah,

715
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,360
let's do all this stupid stuff.
Let's make Bruegel actually see.

716
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,720
I thought it was distraction
too.

717
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,320
So that's what I thought.
And then of course I.

718
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Just played it again, yeah.
So, OK, But yeah, you saying

719
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,560
it's Herschel?
That does make sense because

720
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,360
Herschel was supposed to find a
distraction.

721
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,600
He just, he set the paint on
fire.

722
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,800
And then went to go find his
other Mama girl.

723
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,400
I'm telling you that I don't
know.

724
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,960
I just and and the way she was
with him, she was like, well,

725
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,520
listen, this is my surprise was
like, OK, this is.

726
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,680
I don't know.
I was surprised you knew he was

727
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:07,080
coming.
I know, but maybe there was a

728
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,040
small part of her that thought,
OK, you know what, he's back

729
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,560
with his mother.
Maybe, you know, maybe there was

730
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,680
a small part of her.
Not even a minuscule part.

731
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,200
Right.
Especially after he set the

732
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,680
fire, you knew he was there.
You knew he was coming.

733
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,240
So I mean, she got her hooks in
them.

734
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Hook the hooked hook.
She definitely does, right?

735
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,880
But let's talk about this
conversation with Megan and

736
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,920
Maggie because, again, this is
the first time they've seen each

737
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,400
other for a year.
And when he sees her, was I the

738
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:54,320
only person who felt like he was
happy to see her and he was

739
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,480
hoping that she was coming to
rescue him?

740
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,720
He seemed to give off that vibe
a little bit to the point where

741
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:02,920
she was like, I'm not here for
you.

742
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,680
I was like, oh, OK.
Yeah.

743
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,280
She.
She tried to make it real clear,

744
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,040
but he was so soft spoken with
her.

745
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,800
And I was like.
Negan thinks she coming to break

746
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:13,400
him out.
No.

747
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,440
I, I think Negan's always gonna
handle Maggie with kid gloves,

748
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,440
you know, always he, he like,
'cause even like Herschel said,

749
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,520
he feel like he owe her.
So he always gonna handle her

750
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,240
with kid, kid gloves even, I
think Maggie could be a total

751
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,520
asshole to him and he's still
gonna be like, oh, you know, you

752
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,160
know what I mean?
She's she's gonna have that

753
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,440
soft, I mean, he's gonna have
that soft spot for her.

754
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,800
Yeah, but I don't know, I felt
like, I mean.

755
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,160
It's getting old.
I felt like that was a little

756
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,800
different, though.
I like he was really looking at

757
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,680
her like, oh, you can't.
You came back for me.

758
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,960
She's like, no, I, I came back
'cause I, I need you to give me

759
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,320
some information.
He was like, the fuck?

760
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,840
He was like, don't you, Don't
you notice the pattern here?

761
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,240
Like you keep you, you keep
talking about how you hate me

762
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,240
and you keep doing this stuff,
but then you got to come come to

763
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,520
me for help.
You come to me when you need me.

764
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,040
And even with Pearly up at the
top, Pearly was like, look, we

765
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,600
got much time.
We need to know where the

766
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,640
methane is, blah, blah, blah.
He was like, yeah, whatever.

767
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,960
I ain't talking to you, Maggie.
I want to hear it from you.

768
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,280
Maggie is like.
'Cause he has a soft spot for

769
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,560
her which he will always have,
nothing's going to take that

770
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,760
soft spot away.
I know, but like I said, I just

771
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,440
felt like it was a little bit
more hopeful at first.

772
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,680
My oh, did she come back to get
me?

773
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,360
Then when she was like, I'm not
here for you.

774
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,960
He had the immediately kind of,
well, you know, I didn't think

775
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,040
it was, you know, I thought it
was weird that you would come

776
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,560
back to get the guy that you put
in here in the 1st place.

777
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:53,240
But you know, she's upset
because, again, here she is.

778
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,320
She left him in a situation
where she thought he was a

779
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,160
prisoner.
And when she comes back, he's

780
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,480
free as a Terry bird.
This ain't the first time.

781
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,760
Because that's what happened
when she got back, when she got

782
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,120
to Alexandria.
But then when he tells her the

783
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:12,600
reason for doing what he's
doing, she's just like, OK, I, I

784
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,280
just need I, I just need to know
where the methane is.

785
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,160
And he's like, I can't because
I'm trying to protect people.

786
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,800
And if I tell, they're gonna
hurt those people.

787
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,160
She's like who?
He didn't even have to say

788
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:25,640
anything.
She was like oh, and he is

789
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,120
Joshua.
OK, well you know what, I

790
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,880
actually do like them so
whatever.

791
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,920
But then he get but then.
He gets he told her anyway, told

792
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,840
her anyway.
Yeah, like you said, we were

793
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:48,880
just going to yeah, soft spot.
But now I'm, I'm wondering how

794
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,480
that's going to work because
when the episode ends, Pearly,

795
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,280
Maggie and Herschel, they, they
have gotten back together.

796
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,160
They are on the roof.
And Pearly asked Maggie, he was

797
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,360
like, did Negan give you any
useful information?

798
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,600
And she looks like she's about
to tell him.

799
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,120
And of course the episode goes
off.

800
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,360
But now I'm kind of like, you
don't need to say nothing in

801
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,360
front of Herschel.
You don't need to say nothing

802
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,560
about anything Negan told you in
front of Herschel, 'cause I feel

803
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:25,360
like Herschel go run tail.
Yeah, I think that's what the

804
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,800
hesitation was.
I don't think she wanted to.

805
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,160
Part of part of her, believes
Negan.

806
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,320
Part of her.
Believes him because she thought

807
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,640
it before *** said it.
Negan confirming it, I think

808
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,960
just pissed her off because
she's like, God damn it, if

809
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,840
anybody else had told me that my
son was working for the enemy,

810
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,400
it would have been fine.
But you, you got to tell me that

811
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,120
because, you know, she probably
feels like at some point Nigga's

812
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,760
going to rub that in her face.
But I don't think he would do

813
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:59,240
that because of everything.
But still, it's got, it's got to

814
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:04,600
grate her nerves that Negan was
the one who was like, yeah, so

815
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,800
your boy, he helping out, he
helping them out over here.

816
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,840
And Maggie's like, who are you
talking about?

817
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,560
But of course, everybody is
coming back in.

818
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,320
So.
So he can't tell her.

819
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,320
And then like you said, she sees
the Dom and the Dom just looks

820
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,200
at her like, hey, I'm here.
And.

821
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:29,520
And the and the issue.
But, you know, like we said, the

822
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,280
Dom is not strong, so I don't
think she wants to take Meg in a

823
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,600
fight.
But and she owned it.

824
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:42,320
I think Maggie is going to have
a difficult time with the Dhamma

825
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,200
because she knows how to get to
Herschel in ways that Maggie

826
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,560
doesn't.
And I think that's what's going

827
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,080
to happen.
I, I don't know, I don't know if

828
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,080
the Dhamma would hurt Maggie.
I think she just, I mean, I

829
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,080
don't know, she, she just wants
Herschel because Herschel has a

830
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,600
vision for Manhattan that nobody
else has.

831
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,920
I get it.
I don't think she will hurt his

832
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,040
Mama, but I think she going to
make Maggie.

833
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,480
I think she's gonna make Maggie
regret neglecting her son.

834
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,360
She do that.
Now she's, I mean, even more so,

835
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:24,560
even more so because yeah, you,
you have your, your own guilt.

836
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:32,600
But even for Maggie, I, I just
feel like that guilt is not, I

837
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,560
don't think it's strong enough
yet because you still doing you

838
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,120
still doing some of the same
shit.

839
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,080
You have to be thinking
something because your child be

840
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,080
keeping things from you right?
Are you got to be realizing that

841
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,880
y'all don't have a close
relationship?

842
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,560
That y'all don't talk?
Your son let you, let you walk

843
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,880
around for years telling the
same old story that actually

844
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,480
wasn't the story, that wasn't
accurate.

845
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,720
And why?
Because he caught you crying and

846
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,520
he wanted to make you feel
better.

847
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,560
He's the child, you're the
adult.

848
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,720
That part.
That that's the whole part

849
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,160
You're.
Not saying that there's anything

850
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,960
wrong with that because, you
know, our children, they do

851
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,040
that.
They see us sad.

852
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,000
They try to make us, you know,
they try to make us feel better,

853
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,800
they try to cheer us up.
But Herschel has had to do that

854
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,600
his whole life because Maggie
can't let go of, of what

855
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,560
happened.
And he, I'm, I'm pretty sure he

856
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,000
doesn't have to do that with the
nama.

857
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,800
So yeah, Maggie's going to have
a difficult time from this point

858
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,840
on, especially now that she has
a face, like an actual face.

859
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,280
Like you know that this is an
actual person.

860
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Yeah.
So now you know your son's been

861
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,920
lying to you.
Does the city have a pull on

862
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,760
you?
No, no, it's not the city.

863
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,280
It's a person.
It's a it's a person.

864
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,160
I, I need her to get it
together.

865
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,640
But you know what, I like the
conversation that she and Pearly

866
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,600
had.
Pearly is not getting on my

867
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,760
nerves as much now because I
think after the conversation

868
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:13,120
they had today or in this
episode, I kind of understand

869
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,440
when, when, when you're a parent
and you are worried about your

870
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,320
children's safety, you want to
do whatever it is that's going

871
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,840
to ensure that safety.
So I can't, I can't fault him

872
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,240
for too much.
You really were dumb telling

873
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,080
them that Negan was dead though,
'cause you got to know somebody

874
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,760
as charismatic as Negan.
You.

875
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,640
He's not going to stay quiet for
long.

876
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,080
He's not going to stay hidden
for long.

877
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,880
So I think that's where he
messed up.

878
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,160
But even in this episode, he and
Maggie are having a conversation

879
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,800
and he's talking about how he's
doing everything for his kids,

880
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,280
he said.
But I'm wondering, he said, I'm

881
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,440
working so hard to bring back a
world that my daughters don't

882
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,480
even know.
It makes you wonder, are we

883
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,280
doing this for them or are we
doing it more for us?

884
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,440
And I think that kind of struck
a nerve with Maggie because you

885
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,760
do have to think about that, not
just in the terms of what

886
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,120
they're doing with the world or
trying to get the methane or

887
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,200
trying to rebuild.
But she's got to think about

888
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,000
that in terms of Herschel too.
Like, am I doing all of this?

889
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,240
Am I being angry for for his
sake or am I doing it for me?

890
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,320
And obviously you're doing it
for you because Herschel, it's,

891
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,400
it's almost like Herschel don't
even want to hear about his dad

892
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,000
anymore because all he's going
to hear about is the bad stuff

893
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:31,600
and the fast stuff.
But.

894
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,840
Fortunately, because like I
said, Glenn was a good dude.

895
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,640
Yeah, and you could, you could
have told your son about all the

896
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,800
good things he did.
But like I said, maybe it's

897
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,240
gotten to the point where it's
so clouded in her mind now

898
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:53,160
because she's all she's
remembering is the pain and the

899
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:59,400
hurt and the anger.
Like, can you even remember all

900
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,840
the other stuff?
Or has that been clouded over by

901
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,320
the mean stuff?
Do you remember the pharmacy

902
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,320
wrong?
Do you remember, you know, all

903
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,440
the other stuff early on?
Do you remember the prison?

904
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,000
Do you remember getting like all
of those things?

905
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:22,640
Or is it just *** *** *** ***
*** Because I mean, there's so

906
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,880
much and, and not even just
saying she has to share, share

907
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,600
only shit about Glenn.
Cause keep in mind this is

908
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,840
zombie apocalypse.
So her time with Glenn wasn't

909
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,320
that long.
But you still had a old, I mean,

910
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,040
you still had an aunt, you still
had a grandfather.

911
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,240
You still had.
She grew up.

912
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,840
Tell him how to live that world
life.

913
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,160
Tell him about that life.
Yeah, your main life.

914
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,320
Things that they did right.
And things that he doesn't know

915
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,480
about.
Yeah, like fire alarms.

916
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,160
Yeah, yeah.
And just like he was saying, I,

917
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,720
I just don't see what's so good
about the old world anyway,

918
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,360
because you, you haven't been
told about the good stuff in the

919
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,040
old world.
No, he hasn't.

920
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:05,560
Yeah, we you, you.
You haven't been told anything

921
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,960
about anything except the fact
your daddy died, right?

922
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,040
Everything else, right?
And that's heavy for us adults

923
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,360
to carry.
I mean, we see how she's

924
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,200
carrying it.
You putting it on a child?

925
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,720
Herschel is what, 1516?
But he's been hearing this all

926
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:27,800
his life.
And I'm sure he's over it like

927
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,840
girl.
Very much the.

928
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:35,600
Song right, like the whole point
we tired of it.

929
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:43,200
We we you got die hard Glenn
fans team Glenn all day all day.

930
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:48,120
But even some of U.S. team Glenn
folks is like, OK, we get OK,

931
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:56,160
damn we get it, we get it and
for cause.

932
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,800
What's Herschel religious or am
I remembering that wrong?

933
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,520
Kind of sort of but but, but my
thought is for for for your dad

934
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,600
to be somewhat religious
forgiveness that that was a

935
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,680
lesson you skipped.
I but I don't think, I don't

936
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,960
really think Maggie was.
I think Maggie, because when we

937
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,520
met her, I think Maggie was even
then kind of sort of a little on

938
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,000
the angry side, you know,
because she had lost her mom,

939
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,800
then she lost her stepmom.
And then, like I said, you,

940
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,320
you're dealing with Herschel
being a drunk and then this

941
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,840
thing happens to the world.
You lose your your stepmom, you

942
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:44,720
lose your brother, you lose your
aunt, your sister tries to kill

943
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,160
herself.
I mean, it's a lot.

944
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,760
Yeah, true.
It's a there's still other

945
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,320
things that she could be focused
on.

946
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,480
I'm just saying.
I and I agree.

947
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,560
That's all I'm saying.
Like we said, damn near 20 years

948
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,040
later, you you can't.
You got to let that go.

949
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,960
You're she's poisoning her, not
just her son, she's poisoning

950
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,680
herself.
Yeah, so and I, I I'm glad she

951
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,680
had that little confessional to
to pearly where she was.

952
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:20,720
Like, I know I seem hard all the
time, but inside I'm terrified.

953
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,280
Finally, I'm so glad you said it
out loud because somebody needs

954
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,320
to be able to look and see
through all of that.

955
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,520
And I think her admitting to
Pearly that Negan was the one

956
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:38,440
that killed her, her husband, I
think Pearly may understand her

957
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:44,160
a little bit better now.
And he's like, OK, we got to

958
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,480
figure this out.
We got to stick together, but we

959
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,000
got to do this smart.
And I was like, OK, probably you

960
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,640
might be all right.
We'll see now.

961
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,680
We'll see.
I'm just saying, right now he is

962
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,720
he is probably second on my list
of characters to hate on this

963
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:03,520
show.
No, you know what?

964
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,360
No, because I think Novias is
first.

965
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,520
Yes, she is.
The Dhamma is second 'cause she

966
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,240
just irritates me to no end.
I don't understand why she's in

967
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,440
charge.
So I'm, I'm irritated by that.

968
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,040
And then maybe Pearly, 'cause I
will say this for the Croat.

969
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,040
I don't, I don't think I've ever
hated his character to the point

970
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,920
where I was like, you, you need
to die.

971
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,040
I just, I, I don't know he's.
I find no point in his

972
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,520
character.
Like I don't wish him to die,

973
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,320
but like, I can give or take.
Yeah, I can give or take him

974
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,920
like I'm like I maybe would
change in the future or

975
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,480
something, but right now I'm
like you could be in there for

976
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,240
sold or not, I don't really
care.

977
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,320
Yeah, and why is this his face
all the time?

978
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,200
Right.
It is because it is.

979
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,400
I'm sorry, it is.
He always got that that eyebrow

980
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,640
furrow.
Because he's realizing, I think

981
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:07,000
as more and more time goes by,
he is realizing that he is not

982
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,120
as high up on the totem pole as
he thinks he is.

983
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,800
Like he told Negan in the last
episode, he was like, the Dom

984
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,960
and I are partners.
I don't think she looks at you

985
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,640
that way.
Even when she talks to Negan at

986
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,000
the beginning of this episode,
she was like, This is why we

987
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,280
needed you.
She said he's too emotional,

988
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,680
he's too volatile.
We need to make these

989
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,760
negotiations work.
We need to keep a calm head.

990
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,600
And she was telling him, I need
you to keep him.

991
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,480
I need you to keep him calm.
She's treating the the Croat

992
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,840
like he's a child that needs to
be handled, that needs to be

993
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,520
babysat.
And I think he's really starting

994
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:49,480
to see that like, OK, she really
is not treating me the way a

995
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:54,920
partner would treat me.
Because if that was the case,

996
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,360
knowing where their power comes
from, she wouldn't even consider

997
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,240
Bruegel's plan.
If she was his true partner, she

998
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,800
would discuss it with him first
and be like, OK, so is this

999
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,680
smart?
Is this something we can do?

1000
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,440
Like, is this going to be a
problem?

1001
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,480
No, she didn't think about that.
Because she don't care.

1002
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,400
I know.
She'll give a damn about him at

1003
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,480
all.
But I think now he's starting to

1004
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,920
realize she don't care.
Like, really, really realize.

1005
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,800
But, you know, that's, again,
that's kind of that manipulation

1006
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,360
that Negan is doing.
Negan is planting those bugs in

1007
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,640
his ear.
Yeah.

1008
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,000
She treating you like her
redheaded stepchild.

1009
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,120
Why does she talk to you like
that?

1010
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,480
Ain't you important?
Apparently the fuck not.

1011
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,000
That's an Adama.
He important enough to make the

1012
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,240
meth, make the methane and get
that got it 'cause he's not

1013
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,000
getting the results.
You know, Bruegel was trying to

1014
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,640
get the the second facility.
Megan figured out a way to get

1015
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,480
around that because Megan also
suspected something wasn't right

1016
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,520
with that fighter.
So you put in another fighter,

1017
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,960
you kind of sweep the odds a
little bit, and then when the

1018
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,280
fighter gets real close to you,
you happen to look up and

1019
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,840
realize, oh wait, those are
human eyes I'm looking at.

1020
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:20,520
Yeah, 'cause when he pulled his
arm to hold him, the guy was

1021
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:21,960
like.
Yep.

1022
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,880
Yeah.
So you whisper a little some

1023
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,560
some in Bruegel's ear, and all
of a sudden Bruegel's like,

1024
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,120
yeah.
So you know that thing I said I

1025
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,920
wanted to do, I don't want to do
it anymore.

1026
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,360
We're good.
We're good, been caught.

1027
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:35,680
No.
Conditions.

1028
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,200
But then you should play that.
You should play that better.

1029
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,040
Like you can't always win.
Yeah.

1030
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,920
So you occasionally to put a
Walker.

1031
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,600
Occasionally gotta put a Walker
in, though.

1032
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,240
Like a real Walker.
Say he can't kill his friend.

1033
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,800
Yeah, but he can put occasional,
like when the beds are bite.

1034
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:01,440
Did he at the end?
No, at the end he used his

1035
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,160
friend.
No, she's saying before that.

1036
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,200
Yeah, when you having these
matches, because then it starts

1037
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:13,440
to be like, hmm.
But he was only doing it that

1038
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,480
like that wasn't his friend.
That was that was his means to

1039
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,000
an end.
That was something that was

1040
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,680
helping him.
The way he killed him so quick

1041
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,680
at the answer why?
We were so close.

1042
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,640
You've been like, like, he is
human and you've been heating,

1043
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,000
feeding him raw rats, raw rats,
raw rats.

1044
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,640
You've been having him dress
around, dress up and act like a

1045
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,520
fucking Walker so that you can
win all the riches and have the

1046
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,920
nice suits and eat the nice
food.

1047
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,640
I mean, even even they had
cooked a rat.

1048
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:55,520
I mean, and this man gets close
to *** which you got to blame

1049
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,000
*** for That *** was the one who
kind of weaved his way in there.

1050
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,640
That wasn't those fault.
But he's right.

1051
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:08,200
You're my secret is up they and
they know or if if not, they

1052
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,880
know Negan knows and you know
someone knows.

1053
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,640
Negan can use that to his
advantage and brew was like,

1054
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,720
Nope, we're not going to do
that.

1055
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,960
Nope, I've already lost enough
and he slit his throat.

1056
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:28,200
I was like, I felt so bad for.
For that was so quick so quick

1057
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:34,680
but then he's like yeah, you
know well I got a tip so.

1058
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,960
Yeah, I'm not out.
I'm not out of the game yet.

1059
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,680
And then he listened to the
Central Park and I'm like, who

1060
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,320
the hell told you that something
was in the Central Park?

1061
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,840
But apparently he has something
in there because even when they

1062
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,320
got there, he asked the Dom on
them.

1063
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,160
He was like, so did you guys
find what you looking for in the

1064
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,120
park?
I was like, yeah.

1065
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:03,920
I thought he had look out there
anyway, Probably 'cause somebody

1066
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,400
has said there's lookouts in the
park when that was the not

1067
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:09,760
Roxana.
What's her name?

1068
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:10,600
Roxana.
Uh huh.

1069
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,320
Roxana.
Yeah, 'cause she.

1070
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,880
Yeah, I think 'cause I thought
she had said something about

1071
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,200
lookouts in the park.
They're always watching.

1072
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:29,760
OK, what?
Alright, so Megan is about to

1073
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:35,080
become the the Donna's best.
Friend look like she's like hey,

1074
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,520
come sit in the back with me.
I told you, I think she got a

1075
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,240
little crush on *** but that's.
The probably I got.

1076
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,480
Anything I need her back?
Story.

1077
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,280
I mean, we got a little bit, we
know we just really got her

1078
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,440
career.
Yeah, I need her.

1079
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,360
I need the true back story.
Yeah, but I I'm telling you, she

1080
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,920
got one more time to mention
Nigga's family 'cause every time

1081
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,960
she said it, his face turns
stormy.

1082
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,240
Even at the beginning of the
episode.

1083
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,480
You did it just because he said
I'm only boss.

1084
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,760
Like he wasn't being sarcastic,
he wasn't being a smart ass.

1085
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,240
You told him to do something.
He's like, alright boss, and

1086
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,480
then you're like your family and
his face just chances.

1087
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,440
Oh, she just, she really wants
Lucille going across her head.

1088
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,400
That only one for her.
I just.

1089
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,040
That's all I can say.
You're not going.

1090
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:32,400
Just not going in well for you,
man.

1091
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,040
It, it is not.
It's not.

1092
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,080
But I don't know.
Do we need to talk about

1093
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,360
anything else?
I know Michelle has to go.

1094
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,080
Now, this one was pretty much
this was a it was a centralized

1095
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,760
episode with the, with the, the
UFC celebrity Deathmatch.

1096
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:58,920
It was, I think it was it, it
really a lot happened, but not a

1097
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,760
lot happened, you know what I
mean?

1098
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:06,040
It was more acquisition, yeah,
yeah.

1099
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,200
But I think we did hit all the
points.

1100
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,640
So we did find out that they
have been renewed for season 3.

1101
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,600
So and then this is also San
Diego Comic Con week.

1102
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:24,000
I don't know if they'll have
anything for Dead City because

1103
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,920
Dead City literally just ended
maybe two months ago.

1104
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,600
We are going to have some
Darrell Dixon information.

1105
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,280
I think I saw that they're
supposed to be a full length

1106
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:40,800
trailer released this week.
So it would have already been

1107
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,560
released by the time this
episode is published.

1108
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:49,640
So we'll share that information
on our Facebook page as we get

1109
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,240
it.
But no final thoughts for this

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episode.
Don't try to scam in the

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apocalypse, OK?
And on that note, that is it for

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our show.
You can find us online at

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www.phantomhybrid.com.
We are on social media on all

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the social media at Phantom
Hybrid.

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You can watch our videos on our
YouTube channel, you can chat

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with us on our Discord channel,
and you can listen to us on all

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major podcast streaming
platforms.

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Thanks for listening.
We hope you join the

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conversation next time.