The Walking Dead: Dead City Season 2 Episode 5 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #368

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Casey and we are discussing
season 2, episode 5 of The

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Walking Dead Dead City.
And I Know Casey knows where I

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want to start in this episode,
even though it takes place all

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the way at the end.
But you know, Levias is dead.

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She is dead, dead, dead, dead,
dead, dead.

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I was like, Oh yes, I was so
excited when I saw that and I

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was like, I'm gonna bring that
up at the very top of the

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episode.
And I was like, no, I can't do

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that 'cause I got to talk about
how she died.

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But I just want to say.
How do you feel about it?

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Ding Dong, the bitch is dead and
and the way that it happened,

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just karma chef's kiss, however
you want to put it.

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Wonderful, lovely, enjoyed it.
Five stars.

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Not a five star death.
I'm just saying I have been

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talking since the beginning of
this season about how I want the

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cheek to die and she finally got
it in this episode and it was so

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glorious.
It was so, so good, but so much

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bullshit happened before she got
to it, so I guess we're going to

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have to put that on hold for
now.

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We need to start from the
beginning and talk about some

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other stuff so we'll get to it.
But just so y'all understand,

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just from the top of this
episode, I'm really happy that

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bitch is dead.
I'm really, really happy.

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Really, really happy.
Anyway, so let's start out with

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the Croat and his folks because
how many times do we have to say

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y'all need to do better by
security?

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Why is your dude out here
smoking a cigarette with the

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door open?
You had to look at it three

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times and I had to look at the
shadow like is he sitting there

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with the door propped open?
Why are you sitting there with

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the door propped open when you
have valuable shit inside like.

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Is it only one person?
Well.

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Up there, somebody with you?
He was, yeah, he was one of the

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technicians, so I guess he just
stepped out for a smoke break.

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But still, why are you going
outside and the door is open?

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And ain't nobody looking now,
ain't nobody like y'all need 2

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step verification.
We need 2 step verification.

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Just getting our e-mail.
Right.

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Why is there not where your back
up be like hey I'm about to go

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smoke a cigarette and not.
Only that in your in the city

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and in the the way that things
are right now, you know that you

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have, I'm a sort of, you have a
kind of sort of alliance with

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Bruegel, but you know that the
other group is unaccounted for

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right now.
You're outside smoking a

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cigarette.
You see a walk, walk pass.

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And you just looking at him
like, OK, no big deal.

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But you hear something in the
background.

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Excuse me, Sir, You live in a
zombie apocalypse.

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That is your cue to go back
inside and shut the door.

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I don't care.
I don't care if you think it's

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just a rat.
I mean, you're in New York.

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I don't care if you think it's
just a rat.

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You are in a zombie apocalypse,
and you are guarding some highly

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valuable shit, or maybe not even
guarding if you're a technician.

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But still, you know that there's
something behind you that people

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are trying to get.
Why are you standing outside

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with the door open and why are
you even smoking near all of

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that?
Like have so many questions.

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'Cause it's not real gas.
So the fumes is like not Flint.

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I mean they still Flint but
that's why he outside the door

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and I had he been inside the
door.

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I get it.
That fresh air barrier caused

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him not to explode fresh air in
Manhattan 20 years into a zombie

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apocalypse.
I don't think fresh air exists

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at this point.
The fresher than inside air,

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it's fresher than in.
OK, I got it.

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But again, with the security,
what is going on anyway?

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We had this discussion with
Hilltop.

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I think we've had well, yeah,
we've had yeah, just just in

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general they are like so.
And the bricks too.

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The bricks was kind of LAX on
security as well.

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Like y'all are not taking.
I've gotten too comfortable as

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the right.
They've gotten too comfortable

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just like look, we will keep
talking about Daryl walking into

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that warehouse.
Oh my.

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God, let's.
See if anybody's y'all have

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gotten too comfortable way too
so but yeah, anyway, the the

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guard dies and some some men who
come in, they they go in and

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they, they cut some of the
wires.

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So all the lights on 6th Ave.
goes out.

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And at first, you know, the way
that they kind of show it

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throughout the episode, it's
supposed to be like Christos's

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man because the Croat ends up
finding a knife that belongs to

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Christos.
I'm like, that's Bruegels man.

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Especially when we see Bruegels
man show up in the park at the

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end of the episode and just kind
of the weapons that they're

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used.
I said, oh, no, that was

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Bruegels man.
He was manipulating the

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situation.
He was eliminating one of his.

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Yeah, I, I think that's what it
was.

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I think Bruegels, man, they
probably got the knife from

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Kristoff during one of the the
one of the Walker fights.

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They probably won it off him
because remember what Krista

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says?
And later on in episode, he said

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the games got bigger and we
started losing everything.

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He said we lost our weapons, we
lost our food, we lost our home.

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That's probably where that knife
came from.

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And Bruegel was like, OK, let me
eliminate the other competition

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so that I am the only person the
Dhamma can rely on and I have

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more bargaining power.
I think that's what happened

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because when he comes when when
the Croat comes into Christos's

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headquarters later on and he
starts accusing him and Christos

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is like, I don't know what
you're talking about.

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In a way, he did kind of look
guilty because he he it was like

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he wasn't adamant enough about
he don't know what you're

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talking about.
But at the same time, I think he

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was looking at it like he was
probably trying to figure out

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how this is gonna play out
because you have Megan in here

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talking to him.
And then Megan is like, oh, I

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see what you're doing.
I see you trying to protect

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people, I'm trying to help you
out, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah.
And then just at the part where

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Kristal seems like he's about to
agree to fight in this war, this

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is when the Croat comes in.
So Kristal is probably looking

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at them like, OK, let's see how
this plays out.

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He's probably thinking that was
a setup.

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'Cause when he said OK, 'cause
he show was like, OK, when,

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when, when Croat came in and was
like accusing him, he's like.

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He was like, I don't know what
you're talking about.

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Yeah, I I really probably
thought it was part of trying to

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get I have something against
you.

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So be on our team, you know what
I mean?

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OK, but.
OK.

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Or he could have been, he could
have been looking at them like

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now.
Good cop, bad cop.

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Yeah, like, OK, you're this is
the one that comes in to butter

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me up and then this is 1 who's
going to come in and seal the

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deal.
But I think also too, going back

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and re watching the episode, I
also feel like Christos didn't

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he didn't react the way he
wanted to react because he had

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people he was trying to protect.
And if he would have popped off,

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yeah, who knows, it could have
been shooting whatever you got

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women and children in the
backroom back.

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Keep shooting your own children.
Yeah.

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So I, I really think that he was
just kind of trying to play it

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off like, OK, I'm gonna do
whatever they want me to do so I

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can protect the people behind
me, 'cause you at my house now

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in my home basically, right, And
I don't have to go OK, because.

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I was really 'cause brutal is
like conniving, very conniving

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and very yeah.
And not only.

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At the end of the day, even
though he agreed to be with the

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Dhamma and Negan, we know
because he cheated that he he a

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liar.
So if he, if he can do something

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that's gonna give him the upper
hand.

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Cause at the end of the day he
whether he say no conditions or

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not, he has conditions and he
wants that methane.

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Right, so OK, OK, that I, I, I
like that 'cause I, I honestly

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didn't even look at it like
that.

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I looked at it as it was him and
he's like, OK, I did it.

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And see, I thought about that
the first time I watched the

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episode.
I've seen this episode 3 Times

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Now.
And something about that whole

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thing just didn't fit right with
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Because if Chris Doss is really
trying to take care of his

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people, if he's trying to avoid
war altogether, like he told me

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again, he was like, you guys,
y'all trying to go to war.

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I'm not trying to do that.
I'm just trying to make sure

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that we're safe, we have what we
need.

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One, why would you purposefully
go into the Croats place and do

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that?
And then 2, is he really stupid

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enough to leave his knife
behind?

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And those two things just didn't
sit with me.

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It didn't, they didn't sit well
with me.

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I was like, this is a setup.
And then just thinking about the

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last episode, what was the last
thing that Bruegel said after he

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killed Tony?
He said, I still have a few

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cards to play.
So I think he's manipulating all

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of this stuff to try to to try
to put himself on the high tier

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with the Dhamma.
Because I think that maybe his

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plan is still to try to take it
over.

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Because, again, we've been
talking about this for weeks.

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Like, who is the Dhamma?
What is the Dhamma?

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Why is she so powerful?
Why is she the one that's in

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charge?
Because even in this episode,

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she comes off as haughty and
mean and nasty.

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But when the Croat pushes back,
she looks scared as fuck.

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So I was like, yeah, this is a
act for her.

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Like she she's, you know, as
long as she is putting herself

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out there like this and nobody
is challenging her, she can

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remain at the top, She can
remain in charge.

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But the minute somebody starts
pushing back cuz the crow had at

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one point I really thought I was
like, OK, he about to hit her

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cuz some of the stuff she was
saying out of her mouth.

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I was like so unnecessary, so
uncalled for because he's right.

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He was like, you save me, I
saved you.

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I'm the one that's doing all
this.

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I'm the one that gave you your
empire.

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So you're an Empress with no
clothes, girl?

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I fell out when he said that.
And you had nerve to be talking

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about his suits.
He know he'd look nice.

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He got all dog.
He looked like a bellhop.

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At least he don't look like a
fucking Walker.

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He's he's nice, he's clean, He
doesn't have holes like.

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He was fucking.
Stiffy and the guy was he was

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trying to do that to impress
her.

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Yeah, bro.
And then you cut him down like

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that girl.
You will not deject this man.

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And *** is playing right into
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He's like she loved that rat
more than she loved you.

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What I mean it, I mean it, it
did kind of look that way

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because when when when the
episode came on her with the rat

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and she was prodding him along
in this maze, the way Megan was

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looking at her was like, fuck is
wrong with her.

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And then just her behavior when
he said that she treats the rat

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better than you, at least, you
know, she cheers them all for

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getting a little thing in the
maze and she gives them snacks

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or whatever.
I was like, oh, this is how

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Megan is about to fuck them two
up.

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He's about to sow, He's about to
sow those seeds of distrust

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between them.
Right click.

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But you know what?
It's the Donna's fault.

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It really is her fault because
she comes in and and again, I

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know she's supposed to be good
at reading people.

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She ain't reading the room now
because you don't see that ***

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Like even even at the point
where you mentioned, again, you

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mentioned his family and when
you're talking about the things

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you're doing, *** was like, OK,
so this is it though, right?

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He was like, we do this, I get
my family and that's it.

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She said that was the agreement
was being the operative word.

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He said no agreement being the
operative word.

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I was like, oh, she got to get
it sooner or later.

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She's about to get it 'cause
Megan is getting to the point.

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Was she working on the last
nerve?

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Yeah, you you gonna quit playing
in his face is what you gonna do

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right?
Bide his time to make sure his

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family get their safe.
But once they get there, if they

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get there, once they get there,
but we don't know that she

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telling the truth or not.
She could just be saying this in

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hopes of continuing to
manipulate him, dangling this

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thing in your face.
And if you don't do what I want

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to do, I want you to do then all
and you know, all you gotta say

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is I got your family.
She could not have his family.

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She could actually not have.
But you know where at this point

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she been having them so many
times.

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I want her to have them.
I want to see them.

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Because other than that, because
here's the thing, if she talks

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all this smack about his family
and then at the end of all this,

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let's say well before what
happened in this episode to

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Christos and his people, let's
say she would have gotten

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Bruegel on her side.
She would have gotten Christos

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on her side.
They agreed to fight.

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You know, New Babylon comes,
they fight to the end.

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And then after that, she says,
Oh, well, by the way, you're

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fat.
You don't think Lucille is not

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even going to let her finish
that sentence?

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So for her sake I hope she does
have his family even though I

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don't want Annie and Joshua to
be in danger because yeah

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granted we haven't had a chance
to to bond with them or whatever

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but still.
Negan for better or for worse,

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he is now one of our people.
Especially if you're looking at

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the the characters on this show.
Even if he goes back to being

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the old Negan, I will be on his
side because y'all drove him

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back to that.
Even though he's told y'all time

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and time again he does not want
to do that.

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So if y'all drive him back to
that, then OK, Yeah, you did.

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It was done what you asked for.
It is what it is.

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And I will be sitting there
cheering him all like he'll

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everyone, every last one of
them.

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Because they made you come out
your, they made you come out

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your comfort zone.
They made you someone that you

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don't want to be.
All for their game, right?

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Because what are you really
getting out of it other than

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your family?
And then say his family do show

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up.
Do you think he want to stay

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there with his family 'cause
he's essentially A prisoner?

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So now you gonna make his wife
and his kid?

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Who, who, who want to land like
that?

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No.
No.

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At least when he has sanctuary,
even though he had no wife and

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nothing but he was able to roam
and free, you know, be free and

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go do whatever he needs to do.
He's not gonna take chances like

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that once his family gets there.
No, he's he's not gonna do those

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things anymore.
So what's the point?

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And even if he would, even if he
like.

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'Cause at that point.
And so his family arrives.

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Now in order to get him to do
what you want, you have to

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threaten his family every time.
And that's gonna get real old

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real quick and he gonna kill
you.

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Especially because.
You threatening not only his

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wife, you threatening the child,
and then you got Annie, who was

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leading a whole a whole nother
group and surviving and you

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already know him play about
women and children.

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He don't.
That's the whole reason why his

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whole attitude changed when he
saw Crystal what Christos was.

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Doing so, you can't, you cannot
dangle his family.

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In front of him Nope.
To try to use them to make him

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do what you want him to do.
That's that's probably the worst

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thing he could that you could
use.

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At that point you really going
to have to kill them.

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And if you kill them, oh God.
I feel like I don't even know if

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he like I think he will re
retaliate, but I think at that

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point neither will be done.
He'll be like, OK, just just

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kill me, I'm dead.
I don't care.

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If it gets to that point, he he
either gonna be like kill me or

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he's gonna be extremely worse
than he was before the all that

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charisma gone.
Now I'm I'm just taking

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everybody out.
I'm not.

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I refuse to have any other
threats towards anything in my

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life.
So if you even talk about

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threatening me, you gotta die.
Don't play with a man's family,

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especially this man.
This man actually knowing how he

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felt when he lost Lucille and
now he had a second chance at

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another family and you
threatening that.

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Especially when he left that
family to keep them safe.

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And you gonna find them.
And man, man.

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Right.
And then what?

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What was it that she said to
him?

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She said something to him about
expectations exceed what the

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actuality is like.
Yeah, I expected so much more

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from you, and you just aren't
what I expect.

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Do you really want him to be
this?

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You really want him to be this
man?

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What?
Leave that man alone.

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Like, I don't think you really
understand.

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Like, yeah, I know you've heard
the stories.

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I know Herschel may have told
you what little he knows, but

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really Herschel is giving you
accounts from other people.

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He's not giving you his his
first hand experience because

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his first hand experience with
Megan is nothing like anybody

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else's.
Megan has.

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Megan has saved his life.
He's always shown grace towards

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Herschel.
He's always shown kind of a, a

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deference and a little bit of a
respect and a lot of guilt.

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So you're not going to get the
same Megan that that Herschel

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sees.
No matter what Herschel told

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you, you're not going to get
that version of Negan at all,

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even not even what I would say,
maybe not even what the Croat

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tells him, because the Croat
kind of had him like on a

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platform, on a pedestal.
Yeah, but even even with

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Herschel's version of Negan, all
he knows is what Maggie told

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him.
He his first hand experience

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with Megan is him saving your
damn life.

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So even if you tried to go based
on Herschel, what what time?

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No now 3 times with that part in
the part, but that wouldn't

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park.
The yeah Oh yeah, it is 3 Times

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Now, yes.
So even with that, you're all

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your interaction physical, other
than seeing him in, in, in

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Alexandria and your mom telling
you pay him no, man, all your

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physical interaction has been
this man saving your life.

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So yes, he did this bad thing
and he killed your dad, which is

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what your mom is harping on.
But he continually showing you

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that he can fuck about you.
However, that, yes, that should

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leave you torn because I should
feel the way about you because

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of what you did.
But you keep saving me.

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Yeah.
So, yeah.

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So I I I wouldn't even really
rely on Herschel's account of

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median.
But I, I mean, I just feel like

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if that's what she wants to do
and she wants to keep

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antagonize, she wants to keep
poking that bear, let her do it

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because you see what it gets her
in the end.

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It's not safe.
It it, it really isn't.

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But you see what happens to her
in the end.

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But OK, let's let's let's move
on.

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Let's go talk about this.
Let's talk about this meeting in

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a little more detail because
Negan does go to Christos.

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Is it Christos?
Christos, I think to try to

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convince him to join the
dominant and he comes in there

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with the with the methane tanks.
The dominant has explicitly told

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the Croat, no, you can't go over
there, you got to fix your mess.

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Because again, lack of security,
lack of security at the

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beginning of the episode, they
come in, they cut your lights.

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So now you have to explain like
why?

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Why were your people not
securing this?

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Why?
Why would they?

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Why the whole dark?
Street.

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Right.
Because here's the thing, if

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they can, if they can fool you
that much to get in and do that,

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they can find ways to come into
the main.

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Like the crowd was like, oh,
that was just one substation,

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OK.
But if they can get into one,

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they can figure out ways to get
into the other one.

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They're right now they're
testing to see how vulnerable

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you are, you know, And I'm
sitting here, I'm looking at

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this meeting in the background.
Yeah.

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Those guys who were at the
beginning, they were kind of

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dressed like Kristoff's people.
But also at the end, Bruegel's

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people were kind of dressed
similarly, if you look at it.

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But I mean, they're having the
conversation.

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Megan sees the kids and, you
know, the women.

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And of course, like we said,
Nigga's rule, no women, no

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children.
We don't harm them.

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So he's sitting there really
trying to talk this out with

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Christos.
Like, OK, I understand you're

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trying to protect your people.
I get it.

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This is what's going on.
Maybe he was like, you can't sit

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on the sidelines if New Babylon
gets here.

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Because even if we fight, if
they win, who do you think

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they're going to leave you alone
just because you stayed out of

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it?
This is no, these people are

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horrible.
And as we see later on in the

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episode, these people are
horrible.

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You're going to have to take a
stand.

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And it seems like Chris Boss is
this far away just this much

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from a grant.
And then here comes the Croat,

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all big and bad because you
found a knife.

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And not only that, we find out
the methane tanks have been

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going since they got in there.
So he was planning on killing

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them regardless, right?
He just wanted to see, I guess

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when how Negan was gonna play it
and once Negan fix.

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He want Negan to be old.
Negan so bad he won't need him

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to be old *** so bad.
And it's like he, he, he, he

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can't get what he wants.
When Why do you really think

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that if you get the old Negan
back, he's gonna look at the way

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you manipulated the situation
and be like, oh, yeah, we cool.

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Like you got the other guy.
What was his name?

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Victor.
You got him killed.

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You really think I'm just going
to sit here and be like, oh,

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yeah, So you were a you were a
snitch and you were, you know,

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the little devil yapping on my
shoulder, saying all of this

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stuff, manipulating the
situation, giving, giving the

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Dom of the means to to put me in
this position.

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And we supposed to be cool.
That's why when he was talking

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to the Croat and he was like.
Look.

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Why does she, why does she treat
you the way she treats you?

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Why do you let her treat you the
way she treats you?

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He's like, look, I don't like
this.

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I got your back and I was like,
oh.

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You ain't got no back.
But he said I got your back, I

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said.
I'm way over there I.

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Said he's going to do something
sneaky as hell.

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Thomas, I got your back.
I said something ain't going to

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be right.
He got your back from the

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parking lot, baby, listen.
When she walked into that room

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after that, that argument they
had, like, you know, like I

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said, her and the crow had kind
of going back and forth, back

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and forth.
When she walked into her room

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and she's turning on the candles
and she's about to relax and she

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sees that rat flattened in the
floor.

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I said that was Negan, but I
thought he used Lucille.

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It wasn't until the end of the
episode where you see him

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scraping the blood and the and
the fur off his shoe.

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I was like, oh, he actually
stomped that thing to death.

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But, but I guess, you know what,
I guess Lucille would have been

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too obvious.
Oh.

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Absolutely.
So.

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Absolutely.
So, and he was trying to, I

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guess he's trying to kill two
birds with one stone.

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He was like, OK, let me let me
put her in the crow at each

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other's throats, make them
distrust each other.

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I just don't think he had in
mind what ended up happening at

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the end of the episode where
they actually got into kind of

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like a fight and he throws her
into a rack of clothes.

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The rack of clothes falls on
her, a wheelchair falls on her,

446
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,200
or some kind of chair or
something falls on her, her

447
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,120
candles fall and everything
starts to to catch fire.

448
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,160
That's the said I said, oh.
Right like a Tetris board

449
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,560
sitting there screaming for him.
You just told this man that he

450
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,480
is nothing without you and that
you dragged him out of the

451
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,520
gutter and you should have let
him die.

452
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,800
And now you come.
I wouldn't help you either.

453
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,080
I don't watch you burn too.
When he sat there, he was

454
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,720
thinking about it.
He just got looked at her.

455
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,520
I said yeah, he's gonna leave
her.

456
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,280
And he said he did.
Church fingers.

457
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,600
Turn around and ran out the door
and she's sitting there with her

458
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,120
arm in the air and everything
around her is on fire.

459
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:20,480
I was like, you know what?
I don't even feel bad.

460
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,160
I don't even feel bad.
I don't think anybody felt bad.

461
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,640
I don't even think she felt bad.
Right.

462
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,080
But it's gonna be interesting to
see what happens in the next

463
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,120
episode because the Croat is
smart enough, OK?

464
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,600
He is a smart man.
And I feel like also earlier in

465
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,920
this episode, I think kind of
what Michelle was saying, I

466
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,680
think the last episode, 2
episodes ago when we were

467
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,560
talking about whether or not the
Croat would be a alpha, whether

468
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,320
he could be a leader.
I think I saw a little bit of

469
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,600
that earlier because when he was
talking about checking this and

470
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,520
checking that, and the guy was
like, do you think such and such

471
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,360
happen?
He turned around.

472
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:01,200
He said also, you think I was
careless?

473
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,440
You think I left this like this?
You think I would really do

474
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,520
that?
And just the way he was walking

475
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,480
up on the dude now, the dude
could have easily taken him.

476
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,440
He's young, he's strong, He
could have taken him.

477
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,160
That joker was scared and it was
like Michelle said, the Croat is

478
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,080
crazy.
They know he's certifiable.

479
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,280
So you don't know what he's
going to do and you probably

480
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,400
don't know what kind of strength
is really there in that body

481
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,720
'cause when he put that guy up
on, I was like, oh, OK, you're

482
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,760
certain of some authority here,
Sir.

483
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,680
Good for you or.
He can only do it for somebody

484
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,000
who ain't the Dom.
I know, I know, but I mean

485
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,840
where?
Where's the same energy?

486
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,120
Was she talking about your your
fresh suit?

487
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,920
Where's that same energy?
Would you say You look like a

488
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,920
bellhop?
But it was just her and her and

489
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,560
Negan in the room with him.
So those are the two people I

490
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,480
think who have seen him
vulnerable.

491
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,480
So it's like, and also he's
trying to impress her.

492
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,640
So he's not going to say
nothing.

493
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,000
But if she were to do that in
front of the other people,

494
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,960
because not I think about it,
even if you go back and look at

495
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,000
the conversations that she's had
where she's kind of berated him,

496
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,000
even when they've been around
other people, she's never done

497
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,640
it out loud to the point where
it's embarrassing him.

498
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,720
Some, like I think she has some
idea like OK, I can push at him,

499
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,280
but there's a certain line I
can't cross because I think she

500
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,520
probably feels like, OK, if I
cross this line, he's probably

501
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,960
going to act as huh.
What are you going to do?

502
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Well, I mean, that's the thing
though, she probably doesn't

503
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,520
know because the fact that he he
went back at her not once, but

504
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,240
twice in this episode.
And I'm not talking about just

505
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,640
turn around and you know, no, he
yelled at her, he screamed at

506
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,600
her, he got physical with her
and she every time she was

507
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,720
jumping, like I said, oh, that's
what it is.

508
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,600
She's OK as long as she thinks
she can control him.

509
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,440
But when he gets to the point
where he gets pushed too far and

510
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,800
he starts showing his own
temper, that's the Croat she

511
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:10,080
needs to be scared of because he
may actually do something to

512
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,240
her.
Yeah, like leave her ass burning

513
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,720
in a fire who can't even be mad
at him for it 'cause I was like,

514
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,440
you know what?
She she deserves it.

515
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,760
Oh, she, she deserves a lot.
Yeah, she deserves a lot.

516
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,200
She even be mad.
I was like, oh, to run Croat

517
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:35,040
run.
So she deserves way more.

518
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,680
She should have had a better
death.

519
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,320
I.
Mean she burned.

520
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,560
It wasn't.
It wasn't.

521
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,520
Quick, a house.
And I know I'm just saying, is

522
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,680
she a witch?
I'm just saying fire.

523
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,560
It's fire seems to be like one
of the worst ways you can die.

524
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,960
And the fact that you can't do
anything, you can't get up,

525
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,800
you'd look you're too frail to
push the stuff off of you, even

526
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:13,680
in a situation of life or death.
And the stuff, wasn't it one of

527
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,440
them?
Right, which like this that fire

528
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,000
unexpected superhuman strain, I
see some.

529
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,320
Motivation here.
See, it's on the I'm looking at

530
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,840
the fire part right now.
And yeah, she she could have

531
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,880
pushed that off of her.
She could have scooted, did

532
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,800
something.
Yeah, but he got down there to

533
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,600
help her a little bit.
Then he was like, never mind

534
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,440
because in my.
Thoughts.

535
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,680
I was like, so you're going to
help her out of this fire just

536
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,320
for her to continue to treat you
the way that she treats you.

537
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,120
And then when he had that look
like, what am I doing?

538
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,520
I was like, OK, yeah, it's it's
clicking for him now.

539
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,480
Yeah, like, hmm, I really don't
have to do this.

540
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:10,320
And not so, yeah, I mean some
other place I could be right

541
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,720
now.
Exactly.

542
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880
Like hell let me go change out
of this bellhop suit.

543
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,800
I mean she told me I looked
ridiculous let me go change

544
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,400
clothes.
Look let me go try on to see

545
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,520
what suit is going to be good
for a funeral.

546
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:37,440
I'm just saying he had a nice
variety down there and they were

547
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,440
all in good shape.
That's the only I'm looking at

548
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,520
them.
She has on this nice black dress

549
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,040
he has on these suits.
I'm like y'all just been just

550
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,360
keeping this stuff for what, a
rainy day?

551
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,160
'Cause these clothes look
impeccable Where what what are

552
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,400
you gonna get dressed up and win
to 'cause I'm sure they rated

553
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,600
not their stores department
stores.

554
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,720
He found, you know, he went
shopping 'cause he ain't got

555
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,320
shit but time.
So I'm sure he was out there

556
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,880
putting pieces.
Oh, this go good.

557
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,640
But this and because say you
look like a bellhop and then

558
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,160
remember was it last episode
where he was like laying his

559
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,320
clothes out and make it.
That was the beginning of this

560
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,240
episode.
Was that this one girl 'cause I?

561
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,200
Was doing.
He was.

562
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,160
Doing all of that while the
while the technician was outside

563
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,320
smoking a cigarette.
Let me tell you something.

564
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,040
That's why I say he was trying
under that man's skin.

565
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,880
You got him irritated and you
got you had him fucked up right.

566
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,360
You talked about one too many
suits, degraded him one too many

567
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:51,800
times, and then when you see he
saw bitch, you need me even most

568
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,360
of so now that the little thing
now that you on fire.

569
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,840
He said you know what, never
mind right and left.

570
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,440
And I can't blame him one bit.
And now you a little crispy

571
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:08,600
cruddle, OK?
Rest in pieces to the Dhamma,

572
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,199
'cause you deserves no peace.
She deserve everything that

573
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,920
happened to her.
Yeah, she deserve everything

574
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,040
that happened to her.
She really does.

575
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,760
She's been waiting.
It is.

576
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,679
It's been having her name on it.
She deserved every bit of it.

577
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,440
Yep.
Yes, she did.

578
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:34,239
OK, Speaking of people who got
what they deserve, let's move

579
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,520
over to the park and.
Go 'cause we got to talk about

580
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,679
this stuff.
OK, first of all, I'm gonna need

581
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,280
Hershel to stop lying to his
Mama.

582
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,120
Because if you know anything,
when, when Maggie sat on that

583
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,639
bench and asked you about this,
this drawing, you said it was.

584
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,920
You said it was a billboard.
Yeah, that's right.

585
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,240
It was something I saw in the
city.

586
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,880
Maggie is looking at you like
you lying motherfucker.

587
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,200
But OK, I'm, I'm gonna let, I'm
gonna give you just enough rope

588
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,440
to hang yourself.
We don't see how this feels, but

589
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,400
they don't even get a chance to
explore that 'cause when they

590
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,640
get back to the park, they're
ambushed by the new Babylonian

591
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,880
team.
Come inside.

592
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,480
Nevaez has, you know, she's
taking control.

593
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,720
Where's Roxanna?
Oh, she's been arrested as a as

594
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,920
an enemy of the Federation.
When she decides that she's

595
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,960
gonna join us, then, then we'll
let her out.

596
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,560
I was like you doing too much
here we go.

597
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:36,640
You doing too much.
And she arrests Pearly and

598
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,040
Pearly is like, what did I do?
Oh, you're a traitor.

599
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,640
You know, when when you came
back home from from Manhattan,

600
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,600
we threw you, you know, we we
greeted you like a a hero.

601
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,280
You told us you killed the
outlaw Negan.

602
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,480
And that's not true.
Megan.

603
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,400
Meaning they look at over at
Jenny and Jenny's just looking

604
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,760
at her.
I said you know what?

605
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,920
I can.
You need a whooping.

606
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:02,360
OK, I understand Jenny's pissed.
I do.

607
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,680
I do.
But you would do this to Maggie,

608
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,600
Even though Maggie took you in
when she didn't have to.

609
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,640
She's been taking care of you
for the last year.

610
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:19,640
She didn't have to.
Unfortunately, Jenny is a child.

611
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,320
And I'm sorry, one track mind,
you're not going to tell me this

612
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,400
girl is still 12.
You are not about to tell me she

613
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,320
12.
That's when the bias was like,

614
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,160
you can't tell me this child is
12.

615
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,640
She is not 12.
He's not he's not old ass

616
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,040
looking kids.
She if she is 12.

617
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,240
I mean, because they think about
it fear The Walking Dead.

618
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,120
They was trying to tell us
Morgan was eight.

619
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,560
I was like, there's no way this
is an 8 year old child.

620
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,160
This is Jenny is not 12.
If she was if she was 12 last

621
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,640
season and a year has passed,
this stands the game that she's

622
00:36:53,640 --> 00:37:02,920
13 now at least OK 13 to 16.
You're 14 even give her 14 and

623
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:08,440
they have one track minds and
unfortunately her track put her

624
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,000
on the fact that she want to
kill me.

625
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:15,120
So she don't give a damn what we
she don't give a damn about.

626
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,600
Nothing that you did for her
keeping her safe all of the

627
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,760
times he protected her.
She has a one track.

628
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,960
Talking about Maggie.
I know, but I'm talking about

629
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,280
Jenny in general.
I know.

630
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,240
She feels like Maggie lied to
her about the corn or the the

631
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,560
feed what whatever she found in
the fact.

632
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,360
So now she don't trust Maggie
period.

633
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,720
All the subsequent things that
Maggie has done to try to make

634
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,080
this girl realize, bitch, I'm on
your side.

635
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,000
I'm trying to make sure you
straight Jenny has a one track

636
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,440
mind first time.
Her only goal, no matter what

637
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,320
need no matter what Maggie did,
was I need to find me and the.

638
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:59,640
Other part of it is I feel like
up until what happened in the

639
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,800
courtyard, I don't think she
understood what Novias purpose

640
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,080
was like.
I think she, again, if she's

641
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,400
supposed to be 12, she's very
naive because I don't think she

642
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,480
thought that Novias would
actually kill somebody.

643
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,600
And then she's sitting there in
the courtyard looking all

644
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,840
horrified when she sees them put
a noose on Roxana.

645
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,480
And she was like, and then once
they kill Roxana and they put

646
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,440
Maggie up there next, now she's
starting to look horrified.

647
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,680
But you don't even have time to
look horrified because of

648
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,720
course, what what is their
ritual when someone dies?

649
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:38,680
They do that.
And they did it very loudly.

650
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,120
And you got walkers already at
your gates.

651
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:45,800
Now here's the other, here's the
other moment that I was like

652
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,200
y'all are stupid, y'all don't
know what you're doing.

653
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,000
How the fuck are y'all the
police?

654
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,600
Because you hang a woman, you
take her body down and go lay

655
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,160
her on the ground and apparently
you don't go through and and

656
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,720
stab her in the in the brain.
No they didn't.

657
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,280
I said that too.
Like y'all know she's gonna

658
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,320
reanimate right?
Who does that?

659
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,040
Who doesn't do that?
And, and maybe they thought,

660
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,720
devil's advocate, they thought,
we don't kill that one, let's

661
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,080
kill this and then we'll just do
it.

662
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,960
All no.
Do you have you seen how quickly

663
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,560
some of these, some of these
people reanimate?

664
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,760
I'm sure they have seen that at
some point.

665
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:38,800
I'm just trying to say.
No, they stupid, they stupid and

666
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,560
she big stupid because she
should have been the first one

667
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,960
to be like, oh, we got to do
this because what happened with

668
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,640
the with the other person who
got grabbed in the trees when

669
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,320
they first got there?
She got bit in the neck.

670
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,760
She died.
What did they what did Novias

671
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,440
do?
Stab her in the head.

672
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,960
So you already know is.
Is that y'all not doing the

673
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,800
basic shit that you know to do?
So yes, that's another reason

674
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,440
why she deserved what she got,
because that same one that she

675
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,920
hung, that she didn't stab in
the head was the one that came

676
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,600
back and got her ass.
That's true.

677
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,680
She got exactly what she
deserved.

678
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,560
But here you go.
You got Maggie up in the noose.

679
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:25,360
Now you got the the the people
all around moaning because of

680
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,920
Roxana's death and Novias.
Let me tell you what one other

681
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,760
thing that really irks me about
her character, her emotions that

682
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,720
she does like she does.
She does these little hand

683
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,080
gestures that's supposed to make
it seem like she's so in charge.

684
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Like when Matt when she sent
Maggie back out to go bring the

685
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,680
the the Croat and Negan when
they were when they were closing

686
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,520
the gates, they had already
started closing the gates.

687
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,960
So she does this like this
little gesture telling them to

688
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,880
close the gates.
Bitch, they already closing the

689
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,840
gates.
You late and then when, when the

690
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,080
when the walkers are coming in
and they start taking down like

691
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,440
Roxana's, people just literally
sat there and let them come get

692
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,240
there.
They didn't fight, most of them

693
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,600
didn't scream.
And she sitting there doing all

694
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,760
this bitch, this ain't the time
to die, right?

695
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,960
This ain't the time for gestures
in sign language.

696
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,800
Open your mouth and tell them
folks.

697
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:31,120
What are you trying to point?
You may as well holla a move run

698
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:37,240
or something right at this point
'cause they there now then.

699
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,880
Then and on top of all of that,
you got walkers killing all

700
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,000
these people.
You got one that's grabbed Jenny

701
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,040
and then impaled her on a on the
things similar to Rick.

702
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,760
Same thing that happened to
Rick, but she got it in the

703
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,800
side.
All of this stuff is going on.

704
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,560
You notice that Maggie is able
to get down from the noose

705
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,600
because Jenny of course comes
over and frees her because now

706
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,760
Jenny, because Jenny was looking
at everything horrified when

707
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,280
they put Maggie in the news.
Like Oh no, this is not what I

708
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,640
intended you dummy.
This is why.

709
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,320
This is why children should not
play grown up games.

710
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:14,920
What you thought?
Was going to happen.

711
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:24,080
So Maggie gets loose.
Jenny is helping her, you know,

712
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,080
undo all the rest of her
restraints.

713
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,880
Here comes pearly.
Herschel tries to run across to

714
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,160
Maggie because apparently at
some point during this, the

715
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,720
whole execution thing, Herschel
really realizes that he loves

716
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,000
his mother and he doesn't want
to see her die.

717
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,160
So he's been trying to get at
her, trying to get her.

718
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,600
He finally breaks away.
He almost gets to her and then

719
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,280
Novias grabs him, puts him in a
headlock and it had to be a

720
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,880
strong headlock because he
couldn't.

721
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,080
I was sitting there looking like
Herschel.

722
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,080
Now, I know you can do a little
bit more than that, but the way

723
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,480
the way I saw her when she was
pulling him towards the gate,

724
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,160
she had a lock on him.
I said OK.

725
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,800
And again, he's a child.
She's probably had training.

726
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,040
She's probably a little bit
stronger than she looks.

727
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,440
So OK, I'll give it that.
I'll give it that.

728
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,880
But you're so busy trying to
keep hold of him.

729
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,080
You trying to shoot Maggie with
a with a empty gun and then you

730
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,200
try to go through the crowd of
the walkers and the dying people

731
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,680
with Herschel.
I was like you are worried about

732
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,400
the wrong thing.
I didn't think you're playing

733
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,120
through very well and I get it
lot going on.

734
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,600
Your plans didn't go exactly the
way you want it, but you are

735
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,280
worried about the wrong thing
right now.

736
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,120
Having Herschel as a hostage to
try to get whatever revenge

737
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,760
whatever later.
Pass the walkers the The walkers

738
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,160
don't care about a hostage and
they're trying to eat both of

739
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,040
y'all they.
They and and they and they did

740
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,280
try to.
Now she was fighting them off

741
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,080
and everything.
But again, here you go.

742
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,720
Dumb decisions lead to dumb
consequences.

743
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:03,560
Here comes Walker Roxana around
the corner, and who does she

744
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,640
bump into first?
That's who she should have been.

745
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:14,400
That bias takes a chunk of her
neck, takes a chunk of her face.

746
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,000
Then you got other walkers
coming to her and and and she's

747
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:25,840
dinner and the rest of them,
Pearly Jenny, Maggie and

748
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,640
Herschel, they run back into
the, you know, back into the

749
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:35,040
cafe and they're sitting there.
And then Herschel.

750
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,480
OK, I will say this again.
Logan Kim with his face.

751
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,720
He was.
It's like he was talking to

752
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:46,920
Maggie and then all of a sudden
his face took on that dreaming

753
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,520
look when he started telling her
about the Dhamma.

754
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,040
It's like he's looking at her.
Yeah, there was this woman and I

755
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,560
should have told you about her.
I'm sorry.

756
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,440
And Maggie was like, what is it
about her?

757
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,160
Does she have a hold on you?
He was like, she was just nice.

758
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,680
And she look and and he
literally she was nice and she

759
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,760
just she.
Just.

760
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:14,160
You know, like he looked
hypnotized, but it was so it was

761
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,920
so painful to see Maggie's
facial reactions because he was

762
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,880
like, she was really nice.
She just wanted to talk.

763
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,960
And Maggie was like, what did
y'all talk about?

764
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,080
She just wanted to know things
about me.

765
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,800
And Maggie's face look
horrified, like, Oh my God, I

766
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,520
never did that.
Yeah, we know, we know.

767
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:34,400
But when this is not about to be
a bash Maggie session, we I'm a

768
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,800
I'm a.
Leave her alone a little bit.

769
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,000
We already know Maggie has
dropped the Herschel ball.

770
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,360
Yeah, we know it.
So we're not, We're not going

771
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,480
largely, we're not going to keep
parking on it, especially since

772
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,600
she literally narrowly escaped
the news today.

773
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,640
We're going to give her a
reprieve for maybe an episode.

774
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,920
We'll see what the next episode
is, and then we'll go from

775
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,120
there.
But he's telling her.

776
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,440
Yeah, You know, she was telling
me about her plans for the city,

777
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,560
and I don't know, I guess I
found it inspirational.

778
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,240
She wanted me to help protect
it.

779
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,640
And then Maggie's like, did you
set that fire?

780
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,080
He was like, yeah.
And then you you find out what

781
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,640
his train of thought was.
He was like, I didn't realize

782
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,440
all those people were there
because, again, they were

783
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,720
conscripting people from other
communities.

784
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,880
So he probably didn't realize
there were that many people that

785
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,840
he was like, I was just going to
set the fire, grab you and Jenny

786
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,240
and we could and we could leave,
he said.

787
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:31,360
But all those people, when I saw
all of those soldiers come out

788
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,320
the water, you he felt guilty
about that because he was like,

789
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,440
OK, I basically just contributed
to the deaths of these people,

790
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,680
which technically speaking, yes,
but also no.

791
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,760
No, no, no.
He gotta know.

792
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,200
He he's not stupid.
So he had to know that something

793
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,160
was going to happen.
But I don't think he expected

794
00:46:55,160 --> 00:47:00,040
that happened.
No, no, see, yes, he, he, he

795
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,880
does expect that to happen
because the way that he's

796
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:10,320
hypnotized, the way that he's in
in, in, in her graces, he knows

797
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,320
her bigger plan.
He so he knows that there's

798
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,360
something more.
Yeah.

799
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,240
We can't say that.
Oh, he don't know.

800
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,360
Yeah, he know 'cause.
Maybe he didn't know at that

801
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,880
time because remember, he just
sent this signal.

802
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,440
He's seen her since then, So
what?

803
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,680
He could have learned something
different by then.

804
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,800
But I think I think he was
sincere when he said I I wasn't

805
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,680
expecting all of those people.
I just wanted to grab you and

806
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,960
Jenny and go home.
So when I say it's not all his

807
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,200
fault, part of that blame does
lay with New Babylon too.

808
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,480
Because who the fuck told y'all
to go on a boat?

809
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,600
Like Maggie kept telling y'all,
This is not smart.

810
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,280
They're going to know we're
coming.

811
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,920
They already, she told them they
already know we're coming.

812
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,160
So I no, I'm not going to lay
all of that on Herschel's feet

813
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,720
because new Babel, new Babylon
again, I will say it.

814
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:10,800
These are some dumb folks
because Maggie literally sat

815
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,200
there and told them he already
knows you're coming.

816
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,120
He.
Did he did.

817
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,520
So I'm not going to lay that at
Herschel's feet and even even.

818
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,640
But no part of that is his
fault.

819
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,560
I wouldn't put all of it at his
feet, but there is a partiality

820
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,520
where he knows there's
consequences to them.

821
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,280
So no, it's not all, but he, he
probably got a fourth, a fourth,

822
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,880
a fourth.
Also, we got to think about

823
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,560
this.
This is a.

824
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,680
This is a child child.
This is an emotional child, This

825
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,600
is a traumatized child.
So there's a lot of things.

826
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,160
This is a, a child who has been
manipulated.

827
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,840
So, you know, I mean, I know, I
know.

828
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,720
I'm just saying I, I really felt
like at that point he was kind

829
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:00,800
of sincere.
But then then his face again

830
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,560
took on that little dreamy look.
And like you said, it was like

831
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,760
he was in a trance when he was
talking about her.

832
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,200
So I don't know what she did.
She could have hypnotized him

833
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,600
and being like, OK, so this is
this is how you are.

834
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Anytime you think of me or
anytime you speak of me or

835
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,560
something, something, whatever,
we don't know, you could be, I

836
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:25,440
mean, absolutely correct.
You are, you are, but it's

837
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,520
whatever it is something.
It's something because I, I

838
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:37,480
mean, like I said, his face
changes so drastically when he

839
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:43,040
talks about her.
So, but at least at least he

840
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,240
knows he don't want his Mama
dead, even though he, you know,

841
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,040
he has had his moments where he
treated her like an asshole.

842
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,760
He doesn't want his Mama dead.
And he realizes, OK, you know

843
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,760
what?
Some of these people stupid,

844
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,240
they're, they're, they're
dangerous.

845
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:02,280
And I mean, he even said that
the Dhamma said that about oh,

846
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,360
and that's the other thing he
said she said that about New

847
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,880
Babylon.
She said that they were

848
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,880
dangerous and it's almost like
she and he stopped and I was

849
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,480
like, it's almost like she would
like, I wonder if she has some

850
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,160
kind of connection to them or
had a connection to them because

851
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,640
the way he started that census
off and he just kind of broke

852
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,200
off.
He said that's she said New

853
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,240
Babylon was dangerous.
It's almost like.

854
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,320
He knows way more than what he
letting on.

855
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,200
Yeah, he didn't want her for a
reason.

856
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,000
Watch out for your goddamn son.
We playing you?

857
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,440
You want to believe that
Herschel is this great kid?

858
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,080
The girl.
No, I mean, I know I don't.

859
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,280
And I mean, I'm not saying he's
not a great kid, but no, he I

860
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,520
mean, but he's not by his own
admission and by by what we see

861
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,960
of him.
And Maggie even knows that he's

862
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,120
not a great kid.
Like like I said, Maggie knew

863
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,760
from jump that he was the one
that set that fire.

864
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,480
Now, she may not have known why
he said it, but she knew he said

865
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,960
it.
Now was it?

866
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,320
Was it to be used as a
distraction for him and Maggie

867
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,080
and Jenny to leave?
Maybe we'll.

868
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,440
At this point now, I don't think
we'll ever know.

869
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,360
But she knows.
That he unless he, well, he

870
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,600
don't know the diamond did yet.
No right.

871
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,720
Maybe once he knows she did,
he'll tell his Mama.

872
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,400
What the fuck?
Cause 'cause would would the

873
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,040
death break the hold?
See, that's the thing it if if

874
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:41,680
it's something like hypnotism or
whatever, brainwashing possibly,

875
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,960
but I don't know, I feel like
even if she's dead, even if he

876
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,360
finds out that she's dead, I
still feel like part of him will

877
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,520
keep that from Maggie because
it's something just for him.

878
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,960
You know what I'm saying it and
and he doesn't.

879
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,240
He hasn't had a lot of anything
that was just for him in his

880
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:05,840
life.
That's what I think that's one

881
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,280
of the reasons why the Dhamma
stood out for him so much,

882
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,240
because she gave him things that
were only for him.

883
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:15,400
She gave him a room, a whole.
Elevator room A.

884
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:20,120
Whole a whole elevator that she
she recreated into a room, she

885
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,520
included artwork and things that
would, you know, that would

886
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,440
interest him because she really
paid attention to him as a

887
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:33,600
person and not him as an
extension of someone or him as

888
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:39,320
a, you know, right with that
experience, right, right.

889
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,160
So I don't know.
But the other thing is how is he

890
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,960
going to react when he finds out
she's dead?

891
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:54,120
Because if he's that attached to
her and he finds out she dies,

892
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,600
is he going to like blame his
mom, you know, and them for

893
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,920
coming back or I, I just,
there's so many pieces to, to

894
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,800
this little weird relationship
between the two of them.

895
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,560
And it's kind of like, OK, so
how will that affect things when

896
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,960
he realizes, oh, this is what
happened to her?

897
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,760
If he realizes or if he somehow
finds out that *** was behind

898
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,440
all of that?
Because like, like I said, at

899
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,440
the end of the episode, we see
Negan sitting in his little

900
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,520
prison cell or his little crypt,
whatever you want to call it,

901
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,000
and he's cleaning her and and
blood out of the shoe.

902
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,800
He was stomping that rat hard
because he got that stuff all up

903
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,800
in the shoe, but he's sitting
there scraping that stuff off.

904
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,600
So he basically was the
architect of of that whole

905
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,000
thing.
You know, he put that wallet

906
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,760
mistrust in between the dama and
the Croat caused them to lash

907
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,800
out at each other, which ended
up turning a little physical,

908
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,920
which ended with, you know, the
Croat slamming her into the

909
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,880
things, her falling to the
ground, things falling on top of

910
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,200
her, her room catching on fire.
And now she's, you know, burnt,

911
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:14,840
burnt to a crisp BBQ.
So, I mean, yeah, so I, I don't

912
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,840
know, the, the next few episodes
are going to be interesting to

913
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:25,600
see what the fallout of that is,
not just for Herschel, but also

914
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:30,600
with the Croat and with Negan.
Because now the Croat is going

915
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,920
to I, I know he's going to feel
a little guilty, even though,

916
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,840
yes, I let her burn on purpose
and she probably deserve it.

917
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,720
He's still probably going to
feel guilty because, again, he

918
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:43,240
feels grateful to her because
she did save him, you know?

919
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,680
But at the same time, is he
gonna sit there and think about

920
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,600
it long enough to realize that
Negan was involved in that?

921
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,440
You know, I don't know if he's.
Gonna, he's gonna figure it out.

922
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,000
He's not stupid.
Yeah, he not stupid.

923
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,040
He's going to know that it was
Negan.

924
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,120
Whether he see him cleaning the
shoe while he catch him at, you

925
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,120
know, mid scraper, he's gonna
know 'cause he know he didn't

926
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,560
kill the rat.
And who else can get that close

927
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,480
to Dhamma to do anything?
Right.

928
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,840
You know what I'm saying?
'Cause he had to do it when she

929
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,960
wasn't in the room.
Of.

930
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,840
Course, so yeah, he had to be
able to have access to it

931
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,840
because I don't think if she was
in there, she obviously she

932
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,200
doesn't have to.
Nothing to let nothing happen to

933
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,680
that damn rat.
She loved that rat.

934
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,200
But OK, then we going back to
the whole question of security,

935
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,640
why do you not have people
guarding your rooms, even if it

936
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,080
was just for the not, not even
just for the rat.

937
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,480
Those are your quarters.
Yeah.

938
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,640
You're the person that's in
charge.

939
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,040
Everybody in your, everybody in
your group can't be happy with

940
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,320
the way things are.
You know, there's got to be at

941
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,480
least one person who may want to
go in there, maybe do something,

942
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,240
maybe whatever.
Even if it's Megan.

943
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,920
Megan, you've been antagonizing
this motherfucker for a year.

944
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:17,040
You really going to leave your
room unguarded and unprotected

945
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,560
to the point where anybody can
get into that room?

946
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:24,000
Could be waiting for you, could
be waiting behind the door for

947
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,760
you to come in.
What is with these people and

948
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,240
the lack of?
Security, they're comfortable.

949
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,320
They think nobody's gonna come
into their domain and do

950
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,440
anything to them.
Oh well, I guess.

951
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,480
She'll honestly, no, she won't
learn.

952
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,240
But you know what she learned
today the hard way?

953
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:52,200
She learned that the girl I said
fuck you, bitch, and and did and

954
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:58,040
did he?
He did not care, but he said

955
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,040
who's gonna check me, right?
And he got the hello.

956
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,480
He said this is for talking
about my suit.

957
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,520
He really mad about this suit.
Really mad.

958
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,920
About this suit, he might have
been more.

959
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,600
Look, he might have been more
insulted about the No, I, I

960
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,920
won't even say that.
All joking aside, he was really

961
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:23,120
pissed off when she was like,
how could you do this after all

962
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,360
the work I've done?
He was like, the work you've

963
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,200
done.
What am I?

964
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,640
He's like a rat.
Oh, no, I'm less than a rat.

965
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,920
She was like, we'll finish this
conversation when you're more

966
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,840
yourself.
I said, ah, he scared her

967
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,840
because she was sitting, she was
shaking, and then she had to

968
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,240
collect herself.
We'll have this conversation

969
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,800
when you're more yourself.
I was like.

970
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,160
And all it all it took was that
little seed from *** She loved

971
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,360
that rat mother, she loved you,
'cause he already feels shitty,

972
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,120
'cause you don't talk about his
suit.

973
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,920
Somebody look like a bill.
Look like no, I put this shit

974
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,080
on.
But not even just that.

975
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,680
It's, it's the little
microaggressions that she's been

976
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,000
doing.
I don't even know if I want to

977
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,440
call a microaggression.
She's been very, very

978
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:13,240
aggressive, you know, having him
drive her around, which he

979
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,480
probably doesn't mind as long as
Negan was in the front seat.

980
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,200
But no, you invite Negan to sit
in the back seat.

981
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,800
So now you you make him a
chauffeur.

982
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,440
You basically are telling him
you you have you go to Bruegels.

983
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,560
He might help her.
Yeah, you go.

984
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,040
Well, not not even that.
You go to Bruegels and your

985
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,880
comment to Negan is he's too
emotional, he'll fuck this up.

986
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,520
So I need you to keep him alive.
You basically are are letting

987
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,040
everyone know.
Oh, yeah, he has a babysitter.

988
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,160
Like how?
How many things do you think you

989
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,280
can do to him?
And how many times do you think

990
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,800
you can insult him?
Oh, he say.

991
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,880
Before he says burn bitch.
Burn this go inferno.

992
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,400
Right.
It well, it took this last time

993
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,360
'cause now she's a crispy
critter.

994
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:11,600
You know, so yeah, so the
diamond is is dead or burnt up.

995
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,400
Christos and his people are all
dead except what was the Croat

996
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,600
said we.
I let the women and children

997
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,600
live.
How do women and children go

998
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,040
live with all the methane?
That's my question.

999
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,360
But even if so, it they were in
the backroom, the door.

1000
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,320
Was I was gonna say they were in
the backroom, but.

1001
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,080
Even if that was the case,
you've killed all the are they

1002
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,680
protecting them?
That was that was fending for

1003
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,360
them taking care of them.
I mean at least y'all see at

1004
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,240
least y'all killed them and and
and stabbed them in the head so

1005
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,160
they wouldn't reanimate that
part Thank you.

1006
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,600
For that it's it's like a
Oceanside.

1007
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,360
Now you just have women and
children, right?

1008
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:59,040
But these are all little
children, the women in that

1009
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,360
room, toddlers in that room.
The women gonna figure it out.

1010
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:07,400
They're gonna have to, but we
already, we know it can be done.

1011
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,760
I know we, we look, we know it
can be done.

1012
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,680
It's gonna be hard for them to,
you know, get to that point and

1013
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,600
figuring it out, but we know it
can be done.

1014
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:21,240
Yeah, because the the problem is
now you have you have enemies

1015
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,600
with the Damas people or the
Croats people.

1016
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:30,480
Now I guess Rugal is still alive
and y'all were at each other's

1017
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,160
throats.
Then you have the other

1018
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,880
communities that we have that
we've forgotten about since the

1019
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:41,440
first episode.
But not only that, you're in a

1020
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,000
city that is closed off to the
rest of the the rest of the

1021
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,360
world, which on the one hand,
could be a good thing.

1022
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:52,680
But on another hand, when you
are young mothers and you have

1023
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:56,240
lots of children to feed, that
doesn't leave you with many

1024
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,040
options.
It's not like you can leave

1025
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,920
Manhattan with all those
children because those children

1026
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,400
are going to make you vulnerable
when it comes to the walkers.

1027
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,200
You know, you try to leave
Manhattan, you're definitely

1028
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,800
going to lose some of those
kids.

1029
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:16,920
So you're basically stuck now.
There's almost no food because

1030
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,200
again, Bruegel took all of your
food.

1031
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:26,360
He took everything that you had.
So yeah, he I don't think he

1032
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,440
really did them any favors in
the long run, leaving them

1033
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,160
alive.
But, you know, I think, I think

1034
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,400
that's the other part of Negan
being pissed off and doing what

1035
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,960
he did to the diamond because
the Croat was like, well, you

1036
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,920
know, she asked me to take care
of it, He said.

1037
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,760
Did she tell you to kill him?
And the Croat didn't say

1038
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,760
anything, so I think me was
like, alright, I got you bitch,

1039
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:58,760
I'm about to go kill your rat.
And you know me, even at the end

1040
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,560
of the world, what does me say?
People are a resource.

1041
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,200
They are.
And he almost had him to where

1042
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,120
he was going to agree.
You, you didn't let me do what I

1043
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,720
would sit here to do.
Yeah, so now because.

1044
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,800
You because you was mad 'cause
you got showed up and then you

1045
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,920
didn't even stop to think that.
Oh, OK, why?

1046
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,560
Why would this?
Why would this man leave his

1047
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,000
knife?
Like, yeah, who would be stupid

1048
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,760
enough to do that unless they
wanted to get caught or unless

1049
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,440
somebody wanted you to think
that it was this person who did

1050
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,520
it.
You didn't even investigate.

1051
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:37,240
Good.
No, you just went off emotion.

1052
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,600
I mean, it's, it's what the
Donna said.

1053
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,520
A lot of the what the Donna says
I don't agree with, but I do

1054
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,040
agree with her on some of her
assessments of the Croat.

1055
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,240
He's very emotional.
He doesn't really think before

1056
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,840
he acts when he is emotional.
Now if he's thinking about the

1057
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,640
sciency stuff and all that, Oh
yeah, he can sit here, he can

1058
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,880
strategize.
He can do this, do that, put

1059
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:04,080
some emotion into it.
He ain't good for shit out the

1060
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:06,680
window and we see that in this
episode.

1061
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:12,400
So but like I said, you got the
diamond dead.

1062
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:18,960
You have you have Maggie Pearly,
Herschel and Jenny.

1063
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,240
Now with Bruegel, because
Bruegel is the one who comes to

1064
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,680
the park.
They kill all the walkers, his

1065
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,280
people kills all the walkers.
And so now what is he going to

1066
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,120
do?
Is he going to use them against

1067
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,360
the the Dhamma and the Croat?
Because I'm going to assume

1068
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,600
Bruegel seems like the type of
person was very resourceful.

1069
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,920
So he probably has figured out
there might be some kind of

1070
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,320
connection between Megan, Maggie
and Herschel.

1071
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,640
Even if you've heard he's heard
it from other people.

1072
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:55,400
Because I'm assuming he has to
have a spy somewhere within the

1073
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,480
Dhamma's camp.
He has to.

1074
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,360
Somebody who's able to tell him
about the goings ONS and stuff

1075
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,280
like that.
There's a spot period if they

1076
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:10,680
was able to get into the God
damn park, the not just the

1077
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,480
park, but getting into the park,
getting into the, the, the

1078
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,720
satellite, like, like he, he, he
has remember 'cause I think he

1079
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:23,160
had said something about the
people going into the park.

1080
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,920
So he got people just watching.
He knew.

1081
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,360
Yeah.
So, so he, he, he already

1082
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,680
sneaking in, having a watchful
eye, 'cause I'm sure he has

1083
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,600
spies out trying to find out
where the methane is.

1084
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:40,480
Absolutely.
So it's, it's not even if they

1085
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,840
are at the park.
He had people more than just at

1086
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,800
that park more 'cause yes, it's
a satellite place, but I need

1087
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,320
the main source, right.
So even if he knew where the

1088
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:57,080
satellite, the substation, the
substation, even if they knew

1089
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,240
where the substation was, yeah,
I still need to get control of

1090
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,600
the main.
Because then I can control them

1091
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,560
too, correct?
Yeah, yeah.

1092
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:10,000
But that's going to be up in the
air now because the dime is

1093
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,200
dead.
Well, everybody don't know that

1094
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,000
yet.
But if he has a spy in her camp,

1095
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,520
if he'll find out, he'll he'll
find out quick enough.

1096
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,440
But then now in some sort of way
you can go have to step up

1097
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:30,240
'cause if your family on the
way, you have to be prepared for

1098
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,000
them.
Yeah, not going to let nothing

1099
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,560
happen to them.
And he definitely is not going

1100
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,200
to follow the Croat and he's not
going to follow the Croat.

1101
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:43,520
So yeah, he know he and then
he's not going to leave.

1102
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,680
He not just going to leave
either.

1103
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,640
Especially not knowing for sure
where Annie and Joshua are.

1104
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:52,640
Yeah.
Yeah.

1105
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,520
So the next few episodes are
about to get very interesting.

1106
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:57,160
Yes.
They are.

1107
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,520
Mm Hmm.
So how many episodes are in the

1108
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:01,960
season?
Was it 811?

1109
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,440
Eleven.
Hold on.

1110
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,440
Maybe No 10, I think.
I don't.

1111
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,600
I don't remember.
I'm sorry.

1112
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:10,960
It's 8.
It is 8.

1113
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,800
OK, OK.
My.

1114
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:20,720
My AMC says 11 because it put
the trailer and the recap.

1115
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:26,240
Yeah, yeah, as episodes, OK, but
yeah, so the next we have to

1116
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,480
five.
Yeah, next few episodes, 6-7 and

1117
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,760
eight, they're going to be this.
This one would be the pendulum

1118
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,520
episode because something
happened.

1119
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,920
We got a climax.
What happens after?

1120
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,000
So whatever these next.
So we got 6-7 and eight.

1121
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:48,520
These next three should be
action-packed drama packed.

1122
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,480
Yeah, and we go now.
You're about to fight for

1123
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,240
territory, correct?
You're about to fight over this

1124
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,000
methane.
Correct.

1125
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,120
And.
You have again Hershel about to

1126
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,400
have some?
Yep.

1127
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:05,600
Yeah, so, and I think we
mentioned this in the last

1128
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,120
episode, but they did get
renewed for a Season 3, yes.

1129
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:14,760
So obviously the story was
picking up or something enough

1130
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,760
for them to say, OK, let's,
let's move forward.

1131
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:23,640
So I, I don't know, 'cause all
the, all the people that from

1132
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,160
New Babylon that came with him
are dead now.

1133
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,640
I know that they still got
people on the mainland, but I

1134
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,520
mean, right now it's just Pearly
and Pearly very clearly at this

1135
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,480
point I think is sitting on
Maggie's side, you know,

1136
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,120
especially after his
conversations with Roxanna while

1137
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:45,240
while they were locked up
because she absolutely would not

1138
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,920
capitulate.
She was like, I'm not, I'm not

1139
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,160
joining nothing.
He was like, they'll kill you.

1140
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,080
She said, oh, she said that's
the problem.

1141
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,440
She said, you think death is the
is the worst thing that

1142
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,800
happened.
She said that's how they control

1143
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,680
you.
She was like, I'm not doing it

1144
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:06,720
and she died for it, but.
You said the next one to do it

1145
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,760
and the next one to the best.
You may well kill them out.

1146
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:14,040
Just kill them.
Now I know, but yeah, in a in a

1147
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,760
in a season that hasn't had a
lot of deaths, we had three

1148
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:22,080
major ones in this show today
because you had the Damo, you

1149
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:26,319
had Nevaez and then you had
Crystals who was supposed to be

1150
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:31,800
like another leader.
So I don't know what what else

1151
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,279
are you going to?
Are you going to kill the crow

1152
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:34,160
at?
Because I mean.

1153
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,520
They're taking a page from the
ones who live and killing off

1154
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:38,479
all the people that don't
matter.

1155
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,359
But they've been doing it since
Season 1 in this show.

1156
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,720
That's true.
They've been killing folks.

1157
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,120
And even though, you know, we,
we make the teaser about, you

1158
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,200
know, when Rick and his people
show up, everybody gets wiped

1159
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,479
out.
That did happen in this episode.

1160
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,840
But it was not Maggie's fault.
She just happened to be there.

1161
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,399
Correct so we'll give her grace.
We'll we'll we'll give her a

1162
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:07,760
little grace.
But OK, three episodes left and

1163
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:14,000
then Daryl Dixon is coming back
for Season 3 and a few weeks.

1164
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:19,800
And then we did find out at last
weekend during San Diego Comic

1165
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,720
Con that season 4 will be the
final season for Daryl Dixon.

1166
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,760
So now.
Better be a reunion.

1167
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,399
There better be.
There better be.

1168
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,560
They can't get to no other.
Way right.

1169
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:40,200
But they also have the first I,
I want to say the 1st 4 minutes

1170
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,760
of Darrell Dixon season 3.
They have that available online.

1171
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,439
So they actually, I think you
should still find it on AMC, but

1172
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,319
they do actually answer the
question of how they get from

1173
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:57,240
England to Madrid.
You know, they kind of give they

1174
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,320
kind of give it.
And then if you watch the, I

1175
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,360
think the trailer, it also kind
of explains it a little bit.

1176
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,400
So I was like, OK, that's the
one thing I like about the Daryl

1177
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,040
Dixon show because, you know,
all of us are sitting here like,

1178
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,400
how the hell did he get to
France?

1179
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:10,960
Then they told us how he got to
France.

1180
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,600
So we were like, OK, I could
actually see that happen.

1181
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,520
So the way that they kind of
explained getting from, because

1182
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,240
they left France to go to
England and then they end up

1183
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:24,120
having to go to, well, they end
up in Spain.

1184
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,480
So we're sitting here like, why
the fuck are they going to Spain

1185
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:29,800
if they're trying to go home?
So they actually do kind of

1186
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,640
explain that and it's like, oh,
OK, that kind of makes sense

1187
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,240
too.
So I like that about it.

1188
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,440
So I'm very interested to see
what they're going to do with

1189
01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:40,520
Season 3.
And then after that, I don't

1190
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,720
know what else we can expect
because we don't have any other

1191
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,600
Walking Dead projects in the
mix.

1192
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,600
Darrell Dixon and the Dead City
are the only two right now.

1193
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,560
I I did see an article that said
they will not be bringing back

1194
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,920
tales of The Walking Dead.
Oh, they won't.

1195
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,640
No.
I like tales.

1196
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:06,080
I think, I think part of the
problem with that one is they

1197
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:10,520
tried to do things a little too
different, which I didn't have a

1198
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,960
problem with.
I I like seeing different

1199
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:21,680
aspects of that world, but I
think at this point, I don't

1200
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,240
know The Walking Dead has always
been very character driven and

1201
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:29,040
character arc driven.
And with something like tales,

1202
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:33,480
especially if you have stories
about characters that we really

1203
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:36,520
don't know.
And at the end of the day, it

1204
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,440
one episode we really not going
to care that much about this is

1205
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:43,920
not going to work.
So I mean y'all can always like

1206
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,960
you said, give us a renewing in.
Give us some more Rick and

1207
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,720
Michelle, maybe in another, I
don't know.

1208
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,840
I wouldn't be mad at it, but I'm
interested to see what they're

1209
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,800
going to do.
Or is this going to be the end

1210
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,160
of it would happen?
It would.

1211
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:01,200
This is why I say it would have
to be the end as much as we

1212
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,000
wouldn't want it to be.
It would have to be the end

1213
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,440
because of the way the ones that
it the ones that the end, the

1214
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,840
ones that live in was who live
in the because of the way that

1215
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,200
they ended with them opening up
the city, with them providing

1216
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,720
aid to everybody.
Why are we still fighting?

1217
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,640
Yeah.
What would be the point?

1218
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,200
Because we know they're now
sharing with other communities.

1219
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,520
And if anybody wants to come in,
we'll help you.

1220
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,560
Yeah.
Would be the point of going

1221
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,200
anywhere else.
It it at least in the United

1222
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,720
States, right?
What would be the point of going

1223
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,640
anywhere else and fighting over
anything?

1224
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,400
'Cause you know that shit over
there, 'cause the CRM us alone

1225
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:44,840
with our stuff.
Correct.

1226
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,160
And we know the CRM has it
figured out, 'cause they have

1227
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:52,200
cars, they have tanks, they have
airplanes, helicopters, yeah,

1228
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,800
these things run on fuel.
So they have the fuel thing

1229
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:00,400
figured out.
So it would make zero sense to

1230
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:05,320
have another story where
basically the ones that live

1231
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:11,200
tell us how it all ends.
Yeah, I would like to see some

1232
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:16,320
kind of reunion, not just with
like Rick and Daryl and Carol

1233
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,960
Morgan.
Morgan was on his way to see

1234
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:20,280
him.
I would like to see that.

1235
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:27,280
I would like to see what
happened with the younglings

1236
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:31,720
from World beyond, because
remember, they were on their way

1237
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,560
to Seattle at the end of that
show.

1238
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:40,040
And Seattle was was the city
that was about to be bombed.

1239
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,680
And the ones who live, I want to
see where their story is.

1240
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,080
What are they doing now?
You know are.

1241
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:53,840
I think they would have to have
basically one big ass reunion

1242
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:55,760
show.
And you know what, I wouldn't be

1243
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,360
mad about that.
You have you have Dwight and

1244
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,040
Sherry who was talking about
coming back and, and and redoing

1245
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,280
the sanctuary.
Of course, the sanctuary, the

1246
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:09,160
actual location is garbage now.
Negan saw that, you know, years

1247
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,040
ago.
But maybe they can go somewhere

1248
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,600
else, do something else.
Maybe, you know, there can be

1249
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,720
some kind of reunion there.
I mean, it's been years now.

1250
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,120
Everyone has grown, everyone has
done things.

1251
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,280
I would really like to see Megan
go and give everybody an

1252
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,320
apology, like a heartfelt
apology, because I feel like at

1253
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,360
this point you can't just cast
them out because everybody has

1254
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,960
done some horrible stuff, you
know?

1255
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:38,480
I mean, even even with Dwight
and Sherry, y'all left your

1256
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,720
children with this Organism,
your child with this

1257
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,240
organization, and y'all were
helping.

1258
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,720
So it's just at this point I
would like to see some closure

1259
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,560
on all the characters if they're
not going to do anything else,

1260
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,960
but they still have plenty of
room to do other stuff.

1261
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,720
It's it's just a matter of what
they decide to do and whether

1262
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,120
it's something that we want to
see.

1263
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,040
I still wouldn't mind seeing
Aaron and Father Gabriel.

1264
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,160
Yeah.
You know, you still can go

1265
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:10,800
backwards and tell stories from
that time in between.

1266
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,600
Yeah.
You know, so it it just it just

1267
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,200
all depends.
But yeah, I guess, I guess we'll

1268
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,560
see.
Like I said, Darrell Dixon

1269
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,480
Season 4, that's that'll be in
the end of that show.

1270
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,800
I don't know if season 3 will be
the end for Dead City.

1271
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,160
I guess it depends on what kind
of story they tell.

1272
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,400
Maybe they'll go for seasons as
well.

1273
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:35,560
I don't know.
But yeah, I guess we'll just

1274
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:40,840
have to wait and see.
So hopefully Michelle will be

1275
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,520
back with us on the next
episode.

1276
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,440
You know, it's it's the
beginning of August.

1277
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,960
We're back in school.
So lots of stuff going on.

1278
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,120
Michelle's a teacher and then
her and Anthony's daughter is a

1279
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,320
senior this year.
So they got they busy.

1280
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:02,440
They busy, but she'll be back on
the next episode.

1281
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,880
Casey, you have any final
thoughts on this episode?

1282
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:16,400
No, the bias is dead.
And on that note, that is it for

1283
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,360
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1284
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:22,200
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1285
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:23,760
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1286
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,240
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1287
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,040
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1288
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,760
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1289
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,560
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1290
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:34,760
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