The Walking Dead: Dead City Season 2 Episode 5 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #368

0:25 What's up hybrids? Welcome back to another episode of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast. This is Hanukkah and I'm here with Casey and we are discussing season 2, episode 5 of The Walking Dead Dead City. And I Know Casey knows where I want to start in this episode, even though it takes place all the way at the end. But you know, Levias is dead. She is dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. I was like, Oh yes, I was so excited when I saw that and I was like, I'm gonna bring that up at the very top of the episode. And I was like, no, I can't do that 'cause I got to talk about how she died. But I just want to say. How do you feel about it? Ding Dong, the bitch is dead and and the way that it happened, just karma chef's kiss, however you want to put it.

1:16 Wonderful, lovely, enjoyed it. Five stars. Not a five star death. I'm just saying I have been talking since the beginning of this season about how I want the cheek to die and she finally got it in this episode and it was so glorious. It was so, so good, but so much bullshit happened before she got to it, so I guess we're going to have to put that on hold for now. We need to start from the beginning and talk about some other stuff so we'll get to it. But just so y'all understand, just from the top of this episode, I'm really happy that bitch is dead. I'm really, really happy.

1:57 Really, really happy. Anyway, so let's start out with the Croat and his folks because how many times do we have to say y'all need to do better by security? Why is your dude out here smoking a cigarette with the door open? You had to look at it three times and I had to look at the shadow like is he sitting there with the door propped open? Why are you sitting there with the door propped open when you have valuable shit inside like. Is it only one person? Well. Up there, somebody with you? He was, yeah, he was one of the technicians, so I guess he just stepped out for a smoke break.

2:40 But still, why are you going outside and the door is open? And ain't nobody looking now, ain't nobody like y'all need 2 step verification. We need 2 step verification. Just getting our e-mail. Right. Why is there not where your back up be like hey I'm about to go smoke a cigarette and not. Only that in your in the city and in the the way that things are right now, you know that you have, I'm a sort of, you have a kind of sort of alliance with Bruegel, but you know that the other group is unaccounted for right now. You're outside smoking a cigarette. You see a walk, walk pass.

3:23 And you just looking at him like, OK, no big deal. But you hear something in the background. Excuse me, Sir, You live in a zombie apocalypse. That is your cue to go back inside and shut the door. I don't care. I don't care if you think it's just a rat. I mean, you're in New York. I don't care if you think it's just a rat. You are in a zombie apocalypse, and you are guarding some highly valuable shit, or maybe not even guarding if you're a technician. But still, you know that there's something behind you that people are trying to get. Why are you standing outside with the door open and why are you even smoking near all of that? Like have so many questions. 'Cause it's not real gas. So the fumes is like not Flint.

4:05 I mean they still Flint but that's why he outside the door and I had he been inside the door. I get it. That fresh air barrier caused him not to explode fresh air in Manhattan 20 years into a zombie apocalypse. I don't think fresh air exists at this point. The fresher than inside air, it's fresher than in. OK, I got it. But again, with the security, what is going on anyway? We had this discussion with Hilltop. I think we've had well, yeah, we've had yeah, just just in general they are like so. And the bricks too.

4:54 The bricks was kind of LAX on security as well. Like y'all are not taking. I've gotten too comfortable as the right. They've gotten too comfortable just like look, we will keep talking about Daryl walking into that warehouse. Oh my. God, let's. See if anybody's y'all have gotten too comfortable way too so but yeah, anyway, the the guard dies and some some men who come in, they they go in and they, they cut some of the wires. So all the lights on 6th Ave. goes out. And at first, you know, the way that they kind of show it throughout the episode, it's supposed to be like Christos's man because the Croat ends up finding a knife that belongs to Christos. I'm like, that's Bruegels man.

5:44 Especially when we see Bruegels man show up in the park at the end of the episode and just kind of the weapons that they're used. I said, oh, no, that was Bruegels man. He was manipulating the situation. He was eliminating one of his. Yeah, I, I think that's what it was. I think Bruegels, man, they probably got the knife from Kristoff during one of the the one of the Walker fights. They probably won it off him because remember what Krista says? And later on in episode, he said the games got bigger and we started losing everything. He said we lost our weapons, we lost our food, we lost our home. That's probably where that knife came from.

6:24 And Bruegel was like, OK, let me eliminate the other competition so that I am the only person the Dhamma can rely on and I have more bargaining power. I think that's what happened because when he comes when when the Croat comes into Christos's headquarters later on and he starts accusing him and Christos is like, I don't know what you're talking about. In a way, he did kind of look guilty because he he it was like he wasn't adamant enough about he don't know what you're talking about. But at the same time, I think he was looking at it like he was probably trying to figure out how this is gonna play out because you have Megan in here talking to him. And then Megan is like, oh, I see what you're doing. I see you trying to protect people, I'm trying to help you out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then just at the part where Kristal seems like he's about to agree to fight in this war, this is when the Croat comes in. So Kristal is probably looking at them like, OK, let's see how this plays out.

7:30 He's probably thinking that was a setup. 'Cause when he said OK, 'cause he show was like, OK, when, when, when Croat came in and was like accusing him, he's like. He was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I I really probably thought it was part of trying to get I have something against you. So be on our team, you know what I mean? OK, but. OK. Or he could have been, he could have been looking at them like now. Good cop, bad cop. Yeah, like, OK, you're this is the one that comes in to butter me up and then this is 1 who's going to come in and seal the deal. But I think also too, going back and re watching the episode, I also feel like Christos didn't he didn't react the way he wanted to react because he had people he was trying to protect. And if he would have popped off, yeah, who knows, it could have been shooting whatever you got women and children in the backroom back.

8:27 Keep shooting your own children. Yeah. So I, I really think that he was just kind of trying to play it off like, OK, I'm gonna do whatever they want me to do so I can protect the people behind me, 'cause you at my house now in my home basically, right, And I don't have to go OK, because. I was really 'cause brutal is like conniving, very conniving and very yeah. And not only. At the end of the day, even though he agreed to be with the Dhamma and Negan, we know because he cheated that he he a liar. So if he, if he can do something that's gonna give him the upper hand.

9:12 Cause at the end of the day he whether he say no conditions or not, he has conditions and he wants that methane. Right, so OK, OK, that I, I, I like that 'cause I, I honestly didn't even look at it like that. I looked at it as it was him and he's like, OK, I did it. And see, I thought about that the first time I watched the episode. I've seen this episode 3 Times Now. And something about that whole thing just didn't fit right with me. Because if Chris Doss is really trying to take care of his people, if he's trying to avoid war altogether, like he told me again, he was like, you guys, y'all trying to go to war.

9:53 I'm not trying to do that. I'm just trying to make sure that we're safe, we have what we need. One, why would you purposefully go into the Croats place and do that? And then 2, is he really stupid enough to leave his knife behind? And those two things just didn't sit with me. It didn't, they didn't sit well with me. I was like, this is a setup. And then just thinking about the last episode, what was the last thing that Bruegel said after he killed Tony? He said, I still have a few cards to play. So I think he's manipulating all of this stuff to try to to try to put himself on the high tier with the Dhamma. Because I think that maybe his plan is still to try to take it over.

10:41 Because, again, we've been talking about this for weeks. Like, who is the Dhamma? What is the Dhamma? Why is she so powerful? Why is she the one that's in charge? Because even in this episode, she comes off as haughty and mean and nasty. But when the Croat pushes back, she looks scared as fuck. So I was like, yeah, this is a act for her. Like she she's, you know, as long as she is putting herself out there like this and nobody is challenging her, she can remain at the top, She can remain in charge. But the minute somebody starts pushing back cuz the crow had at one point I really thought I was like, OK, he about to hit her cuz some of the stuff she was saying out of her mouth.

11:29 I was like so unnecessary, so uncalled for because he's right. He was like, you save me, I saved you. I'm the one that's doing all this. I'm the one that gave you your empire. So you're an Empress with no clothes, girl? I fell out when he said that. And you had nerve to be talking about his suits. He know he'd look nice. He got all dog. He looked like a bellhop. At least he don't look like a fucking Walker. He's he's nice, he's clean, He doesn't have holes like. He was fucking. Stiffy and the guy was he was trying to do that to impress her. Yeah, bro. And then you cut him down like that girl. You will not deject this man.

12:13 And *** is playing right into it. He's like she loved that rat more than she loved you. What I mean it, I mean it, it did kind of look that way because when when when the episode came on her with the rat and she was prodding him along in this maze, the way Megan was looking at her was like, fuck is wrong with her. And then just her behavior when he said that she treats the rat better than you, at least, you know, she cheers them all for getting a little thing in the maze and she gives them snacks or whatever. I was like, oh, this is how Megan is about to fuck them two up. He's about to sow, He's about to sow those seeds of distrust between them. Right click.

12:58 But you know what? It's the Donna's fault. It really is her fault because she comes in and and again, I know she's supposed to be good at reading people. She ain't reading the room now because you don't see that *** Like even even at the point where you mentioned, again, you mentioned his family and when you're talking about the things you're doing, *** was like, OK, so this is it though, right? He was like, we do this, I get my family and that's it. She said that was the agreement was being the operative word. He said no agreement being the operative word. I was like, oh, she got to get it sooner or later. She's about to get it 'cause Megan is getting to the point.

13:40 Was she working on the last nerve? Yeah, you you gonna quit playing in his face is what you gonna do right? Bide his time to make sure his family get their safe. But once they get there, if they get there, once they get there, but we don't know that she telling the truth or not. She could just be saying this in hopes of continuing to manipulate him, dangling this thing in your face. And if you don't do what I want to do, I want you to do then all and you know, all you gotta say is I got your family. She could not have his family. She could actually not have. But you know where at this point she been having them so many times.

14:23 I want her to have them. I want to see them. Because other than that, because here's the thing, if she talks all this smack about his family and then at the end of all this, let's say well before what happened in this episode to Christos and his people, let's say she would have gotten Bruegel on her side. She would have gotten Christos on her side. They agreed to fight. You know, New Babylon comes, they fight to the end. And then after that, she says, Oh, well, by the way, you're fat. You don't think Lucille is not even going to let her finish that sentence? So for her sake I hope she does have his family even though I don't want Annie and Joshua to be in danger because yeah granted we haven't had a chance to to bond with them or whatever but still. Negan for better or for worse, he is now one of our people. Especially if you're looking at the the characters on this show. Even if he goes back to being the old Negan, I will be on his side because y'all drove him back to that. Even though he's told y'all time and time again he does not want to do that.

15:33 So if y'all drive him back to that, then OK, Yeah, you did. It was done what you asked for. It is what it is. And I will be sitting there cheering him all like he'll everyone, every last one of them. Because they made you come out your, they made you come out your comfort zone. They made you someone that you don't want to be. All for their game, right? Because what are you really getting out of it other than your family? And then say his family do show up. Do you think he want to stay there with his family 'cause he's essentially A prisoner? So now you gonna make his wife and his kid? Who, who, who want to land like that? No. No. At least when he has sanctuary, even though he had no wife and nothing but he was able to roam and free, you know, be free and go do whatever he needs to do. He's not gonna take chances like that once his family gets there. No, he's he's not gonna do those things anymore. So what's the point?

16:28 And even if he would, even if he like. 'Cause at that point. And so his family arrives. Now in order to get him to do what you want, you have to threaten his family every time. And that's gonna get real old real quick and he gonna kill you. Especially because. You threatening not only his wife, you threatening the child, and then you got Annie, who was leading a whole a whole nother group and surviving and you already know him play about women and children. He don't. That's the whole reason why his whole attitude changed when he saw Crystal what Christos was. Doing so, you can't, you cannot dangle his family.

17:12 In front of him Nope. To try to use them to make him do what you want him to do. That's that's probably the worst thing he could that you could use. At that point you really going to have to kill them. And if you kill them, oh God. I feel like I don't even know if he like I think he will re retaliate, but I think at that point neither will be done. He'll be like, OK, just just kill me, I'm dead. I don't care. If it gets to that point, he he either gonna be like kill me or he's gonna be extremely worse than he was before the all that charisma gone. Now I'm I'm just taking everybody out. I'm not. I refuse to have any other threats towards anything in my life. So if you even talk about threatening me, you gotta die. Don't play with a man's family, especially this man. This man actually knowing how he felt when he lost Lucille and now he had a second chance at another family and you threatening that.

18:14 Especially when he left that family to keep them safe. And you gonna find them. And man, man. Right. And then what? What was it that she said to him? She said something to him about expectations exceed what the actuality is like. Yeah, I expected so much more from you, and you just aren't what I expect. Do you really want him to be this? You really want him to be this man? What? Leave that man alone. Like, I don't think you really understand. Like, yeah, I know you've heard the stories. I know Herschel may have told you what little he knows, but really Herschel is giving you accounts from other people.

18:59 He's not giving you his his first hand experience because his first hand experience with Megan is nothing like anybody else's. Megan has. Megan has saved his life. He's always shown grace towards Herschel. He's always shown kind of a, a deference and a little bit of a respect and a lot of guilt. So you're not going to get the same Megan that that Herschel sees. No matter what Herschel told you, you're not going to get that version of Negan at all, even not even what I would say, maybe not even what the Croat tells him, because the Croat kind of had him like on a platform, on a pedestal. Yeah, but even even with Herschel's version of Negan, all he knows is what Maggie told him. He his first hand experience with Megan is him saving your damn life.

19:53 So even if you tried to go based on Herschel, what what time? No now 3 times with that part in the part, but that wouldn't park. The yeah Oh yeah, it is 3 Times Now, yes. So even with that, you're all your interaction physical, other than seeing him in, in, in Alexandria and your mom telling you pay him no, man, all your physical interaction has been this man saving your life. So yes, he did this bad thing and he killed your dad, which is what your mom is harping on. But he continually showing you that he can fuck about you. However, that, yes, that should leave you torn because I should feel the way about you because of what you did. But you keep saving me.

20:41 Yeah. So, yeah. So I I I wouldn't even really rely on Herschel's account of median. But I, I mean, I just feel like if that's what she wants to do and she wants to keep antagonize, she wants to keep poking that bear, let her do it because you see what it gets her in the end. It's not safe. It it, it really isn't. But you see what happens to her in the end. But OK, let's let's let's move on. Let's go talk about this. Let's talk about this meeting in a little more detail because Negan does go to Christos.

21:23 Is it Christos? Christos, I think to try to convince him to join the dominant and he comes in there with the with the methane tanks. The dominant has explicitly told the Croat, no, you can't go over there, you got to fix your mess. Because again, lack of security, lack of security at the beginning of the episode, they come in, they cut your lights. So now you have to explain like why? Why were your people not securing this? Why? Why would they? Why the whole dark? Street. Right. Because here's the thing, if they can, if they can fool you that much to get in and do that, they can find ways to come into the main.

22:07 Like the crowd was like, oh, that was just one substation, OK. But if they can get into one, they can figure out ways to get into the other one. They're right now they're testing to see how vulnerable you are, you know, And I'm sitting here, I'm looking at this meeting in the background. Yeah. Those guys who were at the beginning, they were kind of dressed like Kristoff's people. But also at the end, Bruegel's people were kind of dressed similarly, if you look at it. But I mean, they're having the conversation. Megan sees the kids and, you know, the women. And of course, like we said, Nigga's rule, no women, no children. We don't harm them.

22:51 So he's sitting there really trying to talk this out with Christos. Like, OK, I understand you're trying to protect your people. I get it. This is what's going on. Maybe he was like, you can't sit on the sidelines if New Babylon gets here. Because even if we fight, if they win, who do you think they're going to leave you alone just because you stayed out of it? This is no, these people are horrible. And as we see later on in the episode, these people are horrible. You're going to have to take a stand. And it seems like Chris Boss is this far away just this much from a grant. And then here comes the Croat, all big and bad because you found a knife.

23:33 And not only that, we find out the methane tanks have been going since they got in there. So he was planning on killing them regardless, right? He just wanted to see, I guess when how Negan was gonna play it and once Negan fix. He want Negan to be old. Negan so bad he won't need him to be old *** so bad. And it's like he, he, he, he can't get what he wants. When Why do you really think that if you get the old Negan back, he's gonna look at the way you manipulated the situation and be like, oh, yeah, we cool.

24:17 Like you got the other guy. What was his name? Victor. You got him killed. You really think I'm just going to sit here and be like, oh, yeah, So you were a you were a snitch and you were, you know, the little devil yapping on my shoulder, saying all of this stuff, manipulating the situation, giving, giving the Dom of the means to to put me in this position. And we supposed to be cool. That's why when he was talking to the Croat and he was like. Look. Why does she, why does she treat you the way she treats you? Why do you let her treat you the way she treats you?

25:01 He's like, look, I don't like this. I got your back and I was like, oh. You ain't got no back. But he said I got your back, I said. I'm way over there I. Said he's going to do something sneaky as hell. Thomas, I got your back. I said something ain't going to be right. He got your back from the parking lot, baby, listen. When she walked into that room after that, that argument they had, like, you know, like I said, her and the crow had kind of going back and forth, back and forth. When she walked into her room and she's turning on the candles and she's about to relax and she sees that rat flattened in the floor. I said that was Negan, but I thought he used Lucille.

25:43 It wasn't until the end of the episode where you see him scraping the blood and the and the fur off his shoe. I was like, oh, he actually stomped that thing to death. But, but I guess, you know what, I guess Lucille would have been too obvious. Oh. Absolutely. So. Absolutely. So, and he was trying to, I guess he's trying to kill two birds with one stone. He was like, OK, let me let me put her in the crow at each other's throats, make them distrust each other. I just don't think he had in mind what ended up happening at the end of the episode where they actually got into kind of like a fight and he throws her into a rack of clothes. The rack of clothes falls on her, a wheelchair falls on her, or some kind of chair or something falls on her, her candles fall and everything starts to to catch fire.

26:35 That's the said I said, oh. Right like a Tetris board sitting there screaming for him. You just told this man that he is nothing without you and that you dragged him out of the gutter and you should have let him die. And now you come. I wouldn't help you either. I don't watch you burn too. When he sat there, he was thinking about it. He just got looked at her. I said yeah, he's gonna leave her. And he said he did. Church fingers. Turn around and ran out the door and she's sitting there with her arm in the air and everything around her is on fire.

27:16 I was like, you know what? I don't even feel bad. I don't even feel bad. I don't think anybody felt bad. I don't even think she felt bad. Right. But it's gonna be interesting to see what happens in the next episode because the Croat is smart enough, OK? He is a smart man. And I feel like also earlier in this episode, I think kind of what Michelle was saying, I think the last episode, 2 episodes ago when we were talking about whether or not the Croat would be a alpha, whether he could be a leader. I think I saw a little bit of that earlier because when he was talking about checking this and checking that, and the guy was like, do you think such and such happen? He turned around.

27:59 He said also, you think I was careless? You think I left this like this? You think I would really do that? And just the way he was walking up on the dude now, the dude could have easily taken him. He's young, he's strong, He could have taken him. That joker was scared and it was like Michelle said, the Croat is crazy. They know he's certifiable. So you don't know what he's going to do and you probably don't know what kind of strength is really there in that body 'cause when he put that guy up on, I was like, oh, OK, you're certain of some authority here, Sir. Good for you or. He can only do it for somebody who ain't the Dom. I know, I know, but I mean where? Where's the same energy?

28:40 Was she talking about your your fresh suit? Where's that same energy? Would you say You look like a bellhop? But it was just her and her and Negan in the room with him. So those are the two people I think who have seen him vulnerable. So it's like, and also he's trying to impress her. So he's not going to say nothing. But if she were to do that in front of the other people, because not I think about it, even if you go back and look at the conversations that she's had where she's kind of berated him, even when they've been around other people, she's never done it out loud to the point where it's embarrassing him. Some, like I think she has some idea like OK, I can push at him, but there's a certain line I can't cross because I think she probably feels like, OK, if I cross this line, he's probably going to act as huh. What are you going to do?

29:34 Well, I mean, that's the thing though, she probably doesn't know because the fact that he he went back at her not once, but twice in this episode. And I'm not talking about just turn around and you know, no, he yelled at her, he screamed at her, he got physical with her and she every time she was jumping, like I said, oh, that's what it is. She's OK as long as she thinks she can control him. But when he gets to the point where he gets pushed too far and he starts showing his own temper, that's the Croat she needs to be scared of because he may actually do something to her. Yeah, like leave her ass burning in a fire who can't even be mad at him for it 'cause I was like, you know what? She she deserves it.

30:20 Oh, she, she deserves a lot. Yeah, she deserves a lot. She even be mad. I was like, oh, to run Croat run. So she deserves way more. She should have had a better death. I. Mean she burned. It wasn't. It wasn't. Quick, a house. And I know I'm just saying, is she a witch? I'm just saying fire. It's fire seems to be like one of the worst ways you can die. And the fact that you can't do anything, you can't get up, you'd look you're too frail to push the stuff off of you, even in a situation of life or death. And the stuff, wasn't it one of them? Right, which like this that fire unexpected superhuman strain, I see some.

31:23 Motivation here. See, it's on the I'm looking at the fire part right now. And yeah, she she could have pushed that off of her. She could have scooted, did something. Yeah, but he got down there to help her a little bit. Then he was like, never mind because in my. Thoughts. I was like, so you're going to help her out of this fire just for her to continue to treat you the way that she treats you. And then when he had that look like, what am I doing? I was like, OK, yeah, it's it's clicking for him now. Yeah, like, hmm, I really don't have to do this.

32:05 And not so, yeah, I mean some other place I could be right now. Exactly. Like hell let me go change out of this bellhop suit. I mean she told me I looked ridiculous let me go change clothes. Look let me go try on to see what suit is going to be good for a funeral. I'm just saying he had a nice variety down there and they were all in good shape. That's the only I'm looking at them. She has on this nice black dress he has on these suits. I'm like y'all just been just keeping this stuff for what, a rainy day?

32:50 'Cause these clothes look impeccable Where what what are you gonna get dressed up and win to 'cause I'm sure they rated not their stores department stores. He found, you know, he went shopping 'cause he ain't got shit but time. So I'm sure he was out there putting pieces. Oh, this go good. But this and because say you look like a bellhop and then remember was it last episode where he was like laying his clothes out and make it. That was the beginning of this episode. Was that this one girl 'cause I? Was doing. He was. Doing all of that while the while the technician was outside smoking a cigarette. Let me tell you something.

33:31 That's why I say he was trying under that man's skin. You got him irritated and you got you had him fucked up right. You talked about one too many suits, degraded him one too many times, and then when you see he saw bitch, you need me even most of so now that the little thing now that you on fire. He said you know what, never mind right and left. And I can't blame him one bit. And now you a little crispy cruddle, OK? Rest in pieces to the Dhamma, 'cause you deserves no peace. She deserve everything that happened to her. Yeah, she deserve everything that happened to her. She really does.

34:19 She's been waiting. It is. It's been having her name on it. She deserved every bit of it. Yep. Yes, she did. OK, Speaking of people who got what they deserve, let's move over to the park and. Go 'cause we got to talk about this stuff. OK, first of all, I'm gonna need Hershel to stop lying to his Mama. Because if you know anything, when, when Maggie sat on that bench and asked you about this, this drawing, you said it was. You said it was a billboard. Yeah, that's right. It was something I saw in the city. Maggie is looking at you like you lying motherfucker.

35:00 But OK, I'm, I'm gonna let, I'm gonna give you just enough rope to hang yourself. We don't see how this feels, but they don't even get a chance to explore that 'cause when they get back to the park, they're ambushed by the new Babylonian team. Come inside. Nevaez has, you know, she's taking control. Where's Roxanna? Oh, she's been arrested as a as an enemy of the Federation. When she decides that she's gonna join us, then, then we'll let her out. I was like you doing too much here we go. You doing too much. And she arrests Pearly and Pearly is like, what did I do? Oh, you're a traitor. You know, when when you came back home from from Manhattan, we threw you, you know, we we greeted you like a a hero.

35:46 You told us you killed the outlaw Negan. And that's not true. Megan. Meaning they look at over at Jenny and Jenny's just looking at her. I said you know what? I can. You need a whooping. OK, I understand Jenny's pissed. I do. I do. But you would do this to Maggie, Even though Maggie took you in when she didn't have to. She's been taking care of you for the last year. She didn't have to. Unfortunately, Jenny is a child. And I'm sorry, one track mind, you're not going to tell me this girl is still 12. You are not about to tell me she 12. That's when the bias was like, you can't tell me this child is 12.

36:31 She is not 12. He's not he's not old ass looking kids. She if she is 12. I mean, because they think about it fear The Walking Dead. They was trying to tell us Morgan was eight. I was like, there's no way this is an 8 year old child. This is Jenny is not 12. If she was if she was 12 last season and a year has passed, this stands the game that she's 13 now at least OK 13 to 16. You're 14 even give her 14 and they have one track minds and unfortunately her track put her on the fact that she want to kill me.

37:11 So she don't give a damn what we she don't give a damn about. Nothing that you did for her keeping her safe all of the times he protected her. She has a one track. Talking about Maggie. I know, but I'm talking about Jenny in general. I know. She feels like Maggie lied to her about the corn or the the feed what whatever she found in the fact. So now she don't trust Maggie period. All the subsequent things that Maggie has done to try to make this girl realize, bitch, I'm on your side. I'm trying to make sure you straight Jenny has a one track mind first time. Her only goal, no matter what need no matter what Maggie did, was I need to find me and the.

37:54 Other part of it is I feel like up until what happened in the courtyard, I don't think she understood what Novias purpose was like. I think she, again, if she's supposed to be 12, she's very naive because I don't think she thought that Novias would actually kill somebody. And then she's sitting there in the courtyard looking all horrified when she sees them put a noose on Roxana. And she was like, and then once they kill Roxana and they put Maggie up there next, now she's starting to look horrified. But you don't even have time to look horrified because of course, what what is their ritual when someone dies? They do that. And they did it very loudly.

38:38 And you got walkers already at your gates. Now here's the other, here's the other moment that I was like y'all are stupid, y'all don't know what you're doing. How the fuck are y'all the police? Because you hang a woman, you take her body down and go lay her on the ground and apparently you don't go through and and stab her in the in the brain. No they didn't. I said that too. Like y'all know she's gonna reanimate right? Who does that? Who doesn't do that? And, and maybe they thought, devil's advocate, they thought, we don't kill that one, let's kill this and then we'll just do it.

39:23 All no. Do you have you seen how quickly some of these, some of these people reanimate? I'm sure they have seen that at some point. I'm just trying to say. No, they stupid, they stupid and she big stupid because she should have been the first one to be like, oh, we got to do this because what happened with the with the other person who got grabbed in the trees when they first got there? She got bit in the neck. She died. What did they what did Novias do? Stab her in the head. So you already know is. Is that y'all not doing the basic shit that you know to do? So yes, that's another reason why she deserved what she got, because that same one that she hung, that she didn't stab in the head was the one that came back and got her ass. That's true.

40:15 She got exactly what she deserved. But here you go. You got Maggie up in the noose. Now you got the the the people all around moaning because of Roxana's death and Novias. Let me tell you what one other thing that really irks me about her character, her emotions that she does like she does. She does these little hand gestures that's supposed to make it seem like she's so in charge. Like when Matt when she sent Maggie back out to go bring the the the Croat and Negan when they were when they were closing the gates, they had already started closing the gates. So she does this like this little gesture telling them to close the gates. Bitch, they already closing the gates. You late and then when, when the when the walkers are coming in and they start taking down like Roxana's, people just literally sat there and let them come get there. They didn't fight, most of them didn't scream. And she sitting there doing all this bitch, this ain't the time to die, right?

41:21 This ain't the time for gestures in sign language. Open your mouth and tell them folks. What are you trying to point? You may as well holla a move run or something right at this point 'cause they there now then. Then and on top of all of that, you got walkers killing all these people. You got one that's grabbed Jenny and then impaled her on a on the things similar to Rick. Same thing that happened to Rick, but she got it in the side. All of this stuff is going on. You notice that Maggie is able to get down from the noose because Jenny of course comes over and frees her because now Jenny, because Jenny was looking at everything horrified when they put Maggie in the news. Like Oh no, this is not what I intended you dummy. This is why.

42:10 This is why children should not play grown up games. What you thought? Was going to happen. So Maggie gets loose. Jenny is helping her, you know, undo all the rest of her restraints. Here comes pearly. Herschel tries to run across to Maggie because apparently at some point during this, the whole execution thing, Herschel really realizes that he loves his mother and he doesn't want to see her die. So he's been trying to get at her, trying to get her. He finally breaks away. He almost gets to her and then Novias grabs him, puts him in a headlock and it had to be a strong headlock because he couldn't. I was sitting there looking like Herschel.

42:51 Now, I know you can do a little bit more than that, but the way the way I saw her when she was pulling him towards the gate, she had a lock on him. I said OK. And again, he's a child. She's probably had training. She's probably a little bit stronger than she looks. So OK, I'll give it that. I'll give it that. But you're so busy trying to keep hold of him. You trying to shoot Maggie with a with a empty gun and then you try to go through the crowd of the walkers and the dying people with Herschel. I was like you are worried about the wrong thing. I didn't think you're playing through very well and I get it lot going on.

43:33 Your plans didn't go exactly the way you want it, but you are worried about the wrong thing right now. Having Herschel as a hostage to try to get whatever revenge whatever later. Pass the walkers the The walkers don't care about a hostage and they're trying to eat both of y'all they. They and and they and they did try to. Now she was fighting them off and everything. But again, here you go. Dumb decisions lead to dumb consequences. Here comes Walker Roxana around the corner, and who does she bump into first? That's who she should have been. That bias takes a chunk of her neck, takes a chunk of her face.

44:14 Then you got other walkers coming to her and and and she's dinner and the rest of them, Pearly Jenny, Maggie and Herschel, they run back into the, you know, back into the cafe and they're sitting there. And then Herschel. OK, I will say this again. Logan Kim with his face. He was. It's like he was talking to Maggie and then all of a sudden his face took on that dreaming look when he started telling her about the Dhamma. It's like he's looking at her. Yeah, there was this woman and I should have told you about her. I'm sorry.

44:55 And Maggie was like, what is it about her? Does she have a hold on you? He was like, she was just nice. And she look and and he literally she was nice and she just she. Just. You know, like he looked hypnotized, but it was so it was so painful to see Maggie's facial reactions because he was like, she was really nice. She just wanted to talk. And Maggie was like, what did y'all talk about? She just wanted to know things about me. And Maggie's face look horrified, like, Oh my God, I never did that. Yeah, we know, we know. But when this is not about to be a bash Maggie session, we I'm a I'm a. Leave her alone a little bit.

45:36 We already know Maggie has dropped the Herschel ball. Yeah, we know it. So we're not, We're not going largely, we're not going to keep parking on it, especially since she literally narrowly escaped the news today. We're going to give her a reprieve for maybe an episode. We'll see what the next episode is, and then we'll go from there. But he's telling her. Yeah, You know, she was telling me about her plans for the city, and I don't know, I guess I found it inspirational. She wanted me to help protect it. And then Maggie's like, did you set that fire? He was like, yeah. And then you you find out what his train of thought was. He was like, I didn't realize all those people were there because, again, they were conscripting people from other communities.

46:19 So he probably didn't realize there were that many people that he was like, I was just going to set the fire, grab you and Jenny and we could and we could leave, he said. But all those people, when I saw all of those soldiers come out the water, you he felt guilty about that because he was like, OK, I basically just contributed to the deaths of these people, which technically speaking, yes, but also no. No, no, no. He gotta know. He he's not stupid. So he had to know that something was going to happen. But I don't think he expected that happened. No, no, see, yes, he, he, he does expect that to happen because the way that he's hypnotized, the way that he's in in, in, in her graces, he knows her bigger plan. He so he knows that there's something more. Yeah.

47:16 We can't say that. Oh, he don't know. Yeah, he know 'cause. Maybe he didn't know at that time because remember, he just sent this signal. He's seen her since then, So what? He could have learned something different by then. But I think I think he was sincere when he said I I wasn't expecting all of those people. I just wanted to grab you and Jenny and go home. So when I say it's not all his fault, part of that blame does lay with New Babylon too. Because who the fuck told y'all to go on a boat? Like Maggie kept telling y'all, This is not smart. They're going to know we're coming. They already, she told them they already know we're coming.

47:59 So I no, I'm not going to lay all of that on Herschel's feet because new Babel, new Babylon again, I will say it. These are some dumb folks because Maggie literally sat there and told them he already knows you're coming. He. Did he did. So I'm not going to lay that at Herschel's feet and even even. But no part of that is his fault. I wouldn't put all of it at his feet, but there is a partiality where he knows there's consequences to them. So no, it's not all, but he, he probably got a fourth, a fourth, a fourth. Also, we got to think about this. This is a.

48:39 This is a child child. This is an emotional child, This is a traumatized child. So there's a lot of things. This is a, a child who has been manipulated. So, you know, I mean, I know, I know. I'm just saying I, I really felt like at that point he was kind of sincere. But then then his face again took on that little dreamy look. And like you said, it was like he was in a trance when he was talking about her. So I don't know what she did. She could have hypnotized him and being like, OK, so this is this is how you are. Anytime you think of me or anytime you speak of me or something, something, whatever, we don't know, you could be, I mean, absolutely correct. You are, you are, but it's whatever it is something. It's something because I, I mean, like I said, his face changes so drastically when he talks about her. So, but at least at least he knows he don't want his Mama dead, even though he, you know, he has had his moments where he treated her like an asshole.

49:50 He doesn't want his Mama dead. And he realizes, OK, you know what? Some of these people stupid, they're, they're, they're dangerous. And I mean, he even said that the Dhamma said that about oh, and that's the other thing he said she said that about New Babylon. She said that they were dangerous and it's almost like she and he stopped and I was like, it's almost like she would like, I wonder if she has some kind of connection to them or had a connection to them because the way he started that census off and he just kind of broke off. He said that's she said New Babylon was dangerous. It's almost like. He knows way more than what he letting on.

50:32 Yeah, he didn't want her for a reason. Watch out for your goddamn son. We playing you? You want to believe that Herschel is this great kid? The girl. No, I mean, I know I don't. And I mean, I'm not saying he's not a great kid, but no, he I mean, but he's not by his own admission and by by what we see of him. And Maggie even knows that he's not a great kid. Like like I said, Maggie knew from jump that he was the one that set that fire. Now, she may not have known why he said it, but she knew he said it. Now was it? Was it to be used as a distraction for him and Maggie and Jenny to leave? Maybe we'll.

51:13 At this point now, I don't think we'll ever know. But she knows. That he unless he, well, he don't know the diamond did yet. No right. Maybe once he knows she did, he'll tell his Mama. What the fuck? Cause 'cause would would the death break the hold? See, that's the thing it if if it's something like hypnotism or whatever, brainwashing possibly, but I don't know, I feel like even if she's dead, even if he finds out that she's dead, I still feel like part of him will keep that from Maggie because it's something just for him.

51:56 You know what I'm saying it and and he doesn't. He hasn't had a lot of anything that was just for him in his life. That's what I think that's one of the reasons why the Dhamma stood out for him so much, because she gave him things that were only for him. She gave him a room, a whole. Elevator room A. Whole a whole elevator that she she recreated into a room, she included artwork and things that would, you know, that would interest him because she really paid attention to him as a person and not him as an extension of someone or him as a, you know, right with that experience, right, right.

52:40 So I don't know. But the other thing is how is he going to react when he finds out she's dead? Because if he's that attached to her and he finds out she dies, is he going to like blame his mom, you know, and them for coming back or I, I just, there's so many pieces to, to this little weird relationship between the two of them. And it's kind of like, OK, so how will that affect things when he realizes, oh, this is what happened to her? If he realizes or if he somehow finds out that *** was behind all of that? Because like, like I said, at the end of the episode, we see Negan sitting in his little prison cell or his little crypt, whatever you want to call it, and he's cleaning her and and blood out of the shoe.

53:34 He was stomping that rat hard because he got that stuff all up in the shoe, but he's sitting there scraping that stuff off. So he basically was the architect of of that whole thing. You know, he put that wallet mistrust in between the dama and the Croat caused them to lash out at each other, which ended up turning a little physical, which ended with, you know, the Croat slamming her into the things, her falling to the ground, things falling on top of her, her room catching on fire. And now she's, you know, burnt, burnt to a crisp BBQ. So, I mean, yeah, so I, I don't know, the, the next few episodes are going to be interesting to see what the fallout of that is, not just for Herschel, but also with the Croat and with Negan. Because now the Croat is going to I, I know he's going to feel a little guilty, even though, yes, I let her burn on purpose and she probably deserve it.

54:37 He's still probably going to feel guilty because, again, he feels grateful to her because she did save him, you know? But at the same time, is he gonna sit there and think about it long enough to realize that Negan was involved in that? You know, I don't know if he's. Gonna, he's gonna figure it out. He's not stupid. Yeah, he not stupid. He's going to know that it was Negan. Whether he see him cleaning the shoe while he catch him at, you know, mid scraper, he's gonna know 'cause he know he didn't kill the rat. And who else can get that close to Dhamma to do anything? Right.

55:19 You know what I'm saying? 'Cause he had to do it when she wasn't in the room. Of. Course, so yeah, he had to be able to have access to it because I don't think if she was in there, she obviously she doesn't have to. Nothing to let nothing happen to that damn rat. She loved that rat. But OK, then we going back to the whole question of security, why do you not have people guarding your rooms, even if it was just for the not, not even just for the rat. Those are your quarters. Yeah. You're the person that's in charge. Everybody in your, everybody in your group can't be happy with the way things are. You know, there's got to be at least one person who may want to go in there, maybe do something, maybe whatever. Even if it's Megan.

56:07 Megan, you've been antagonizing this motherfucker for a year. You really going to leave your room unguarded and unprotected to the point where anybody can get into that room? Could be waiting for you, could be waiting behind the door for you to come in. What is with these people and the lack of? Security, they're comfortable. They think nobody's gonna come into their domain and do anything to them. Oh well, I guess. She'll honestly, no, she won't learn. But you know what she learned today the hard way? She learned that the girl I said fuck you, bitch, and and did and did he? He did not care, but he said who's gonna check me, right? And he got the hello.

57:02 He said this is for talking about my suit. He really mad about this suit. Really mad. About this suit, he might have been more. Look, he might have been more insulted about the No, I, I won't even say that. All joking aside, he was really pissed off when she was like, how could you do this after all the work I've done? He was like, the work you've done. What am I? He's like a rat. Oh, no, I'm less than a rat. She was like, we'll finish this conversation when you're more yourself. I said, ah, he scared her because she was sitting, she was shaking, and then she had to collect herself. We'll have this conversation when you're more yourself. I was like.

57:47 And all it all it took was that little seed from *** She loved that rat mother, she loved you, 'cause he already feels shitty, 'cause you don't talk about his suit. Somebody look like a bill. Look like no, I put this shit on. But not even just that. It's, it's the little microaggressions that she's been doing. I don't even know if I want to call a microaggression. She's been very, very aggressive, you know, having him drive her around, which he probably doesn't mind as long as Negan was in the front seat. But no, you invite Negan to sit in the back seat. So now you you make him a chauffeur. You basically are telling him you you have you go to Bruegels. He might help her. Yeah, you go.

58:28 Well, not not even that. You go to Bruegels and your comment to Negan is he's too emotional, he'll fuck this up. So I need you to keep him alive. You basically are are letting everyone know. Oh, yeah, he has a babysitter. Like how? How many things do you think you can do to him? And how many times do you think you can insult him? Oh, he say. Before he says burn bitch. Burn this go inferno. Right. It well, it took this last time 'cause now she's a crispy critter. You know, so yeah, so the diamond is is dead or burnt up.

59:13 Christos and his people are all dead except what was the Croat said we. I let the women and children live. How do women and children go live with all the methane? That's my question. But even if so, it they were in the backroom, the door. Was I was gonna say they were in the backroom, but. Even if that was the case, you've killed all the are they protecting them? That was that was fending for them taking care of them. I mean at least y'all see at least y'all killed them and and and stabbed them in the head so they wouldn't reanimate that part Thank you. For that it's it's like a Oceanside. Now you just have women and children, right?

59:54 But these are all little children, the women in that room, toddlers in that room. The women gonna figure it out. They're gonna have to, but we already, we know it can be done. I know we, we look, we know it can be done. It's gonna be hard for them to, you know, get to that point and figuring it out, but we know it can be done. Yeah, because the the problem is now you have you have enemies with the Damas people or the Croats people. Now I guess Rugal is still alive and y'all were at each other's throats. Then you have the other communities that we have that we've forgotten about since the first episode. But not only that, you're in a city that is closed off to the rest of the the rest of the world, which on the one hand, could be a good thing.

1:00:48 But on another hand, when you are young mothers and you have lots of children to feed, that doesn't leave you with many options. It's not like you can leave Manhattan with all those children because those children are going to make you vulnerable when it comes to the walkers. You know, you try to leave Manhattan, you're definitely going to lose some of those kids. So you're basically stuck now. There's almost no food because again, Bruegel took all of your food. He took everything that you had. So yeah, he I don't think he really did them any favors in the long run, leaving them alive. But, you know, I think, I think that's the other part of Negan being pissed off and doing what he did to the diamond because the Croat was like, well, you know, she asked me to take care of it, He said.

1:01:45 Did she tell you to kill him? And the Croat didn't say anything, so I think me was like, alright, I got you bitch, I'm about to go kill your rat. And you know me, even at the end of the world, what does me say? People are a resource. They are. And he almost had him to where he was going to agree. You, you didn't let me do what I would sit here to do. Yeah, so now because. You because you was mad 'cause you got showed up and then you didn't even stop to think that. Oh, OK, why? Why would this? Why would this man leave his knife? Like, yeah, who would be stupid enough to do that unless they wanted to get caught or unless somebody wanted you to think that it was this person who did it. You didn't even investigate.

1:02:34 Good. No, you just went off emotion. I mean, it's, it's what the Donna said. A lot of the what the Donna says I don't agree with, but I do agree with her on some of her assessments of the Croat. He's very emotional. He doesn't really think before he acts when he is emotional. Now if he's thinking about the sciency stuff and all that, Oh yeah, he can sit here, he can strategize. He can do this, do that, put some emotion into it. He ain't good for shit out the window and we see that in this episode. So but like I said, you got the diamond dead. You have you have Maggie Pearly, Herschel and Jenny.

1:03:19 Now with Bruegel, because Bruegel is the one who comes to the park. They kill all the walkers, his people kills all the walkers. And so now what is he going to do? Is he going to use them against the the Dhamma and the Croat? Because I'm going to assume Bruegel seems like the type of person was very resourceful. So he probably has figured out there might be some kind of connection between Megan, Maggie and Herschel. Even if you've heard he's heard it from other people. Because I'm assuming he has to have a spy somewhere within the Dhamma's camp. He has to.

1:03:59 Somebody who's able to tell him about the goings ONS and stuff like that. There's a spot period if they was able to get into the God damn park, the not just the park, but getting into the park, getting into the, the, the satellite, like, like he, he, he has remember 'cause I think he had said something about the people going into the park. So he got people just watching. He knew. Yeah. So, so he, he, he already sneaking in, having a watchful eye, 'cause I'm sure he has spies out trying to find out where the methane is. Absolutely. So it's, it's not even if they are at the park. He had people more than just at that park more 'cause yes, it's a satellite place, but I need the main source, right. So even if he knew where the satellite, the substation, the substation, even if they knew where the substation was, yeah, I still need to get control of the main. Because then I can control them too, correct? Yeah, yeah.

1:05:06 But that's going to be up in the air now because the dime is dead. Well, everybody don't know that yet. But if he has a spy in her camp, if he'll find out, he'll he'll find out quick enough. But then now in some sort of way you can go have to step up 'cause if your family on the way, you have to be prepared for them. Yeah, not going to let nothing happen to them. And he definitely is not going to follow the Croat and he's not going to follow the Croat. So yeah, he know he and then he's not going to leave. He not just going to leave either. Especially not knowing for sure where Annie and Joshua are.

1:05:51 Yeah. Yeah. So the next few episodes are about to get very interesting. Yes. They are. Mm Hmm. So how many episodes are in the season? Was it 811? Eleven. Hold on. Maybe No 10, I think. I don't. I don't remember. I'm sorry. It's 8. It is 8. OK, OK. My. My AMC says 11 because it put the trailer and the recap. Yeah, yeah, as episodes, OK, but yeah, so the next we have to five. Yeah, next few episodes, 6-7 and eight, they're going to be this. This one would be the pendulum episode because something happened.

1:06:35 We got a climax. What happens after? So whatever these next. So we got 6-7 and eight. These next three should be action-packed drama packed. Yeah, and we go now. You're about to fight for territory, correct? You're about to fight over this methane. Correct. And. You have again Hershel about to have some? Yep. Yeah, so, and I think we mentioned this in the last episode, but they did get renewed for a Season 3, yes. So obviously the story was picking up or something enough for them to say, OK, let's, let's move forward.

1:07:17 So I, I don't know, 'cause all the, all the people that from New Babylon that came with him are dead now. I know that they still got people on the mainland, but I mean, right now it's just Pearly and Pearly very clearly at this point I think is sitting on Maggie's side, you know, especially after his conversations with Roxanna while while they were locked up because she absolutely would not capitulate. She was like, I'm not, I'm not joining nothing. He was like, they'll kill you. She said, oh, she said that's the problem. She said, you think death is the is the worst thing that happened. She said that's how they control you. She was like, I'm not doing it and she died for it, but. You said the next one to do it and the next one to the best. You may well kill them out.

1:08:09 Just kill them. Now I know, but yeah, in a in a in a season that hasn't had a lot of deaths, we had three major ones in this show today because you had the Damo, you had Nevaez and then you had Crystals who was supposed to be like another leader. So I don't know what what else are you going to? Are you going to kill the crow at? Because I mean. They're taking a page from the ones who live and killing off all the people that don't matter. But they've been doing it since Season 1 in this show. That's true. They've been killing folks. And even though, you know, we, we make the teaser about, you know, when Rick and his people show up, everybody gets wiped out. That did happen in this episode.

1:08:54 But it was not Maggie's fault. She just happened to be there. Correct so we'll give her grace. We'll we'll we'll give her a little grace. But OK, three episodes left and then Daryl Dixon is coming back for Season 3 and a few weeks. And then we did find out at last weekend during San Diego Comic Con that season 4 will be the final season for Daryl Dixon. So now. Better be a reunion. There better be. There better be. They can't get to no other. Way right. But they also have the first I, I want to say the 1st 4 minutes of Darrell Dixon season 3. They have that available online.

1:09:44 So they actually, I think you should still find it on AMC, but they do actually answer the question of how they get from England to Madrid. You know, they kind of give they kind of give it. And then if you watch the, I think the trailer, it also kind of explains it a little bit. So I was like, OK, that's the one thing I like about the Daryl Dixon show because, you know, all of us are sitting here like, how the hell did he get to France? Then they told us how he got to France. So we were like, OK, I could actually see that happen. So the way that they kind of explained getting from, because they left France to go to England and then they end up having to go to, well, they end up in Spain.

1:10:25 So we're sitting here like, why the fuck are they going to Spain if they're trying to go home? So they actually do kind of explain that and it's like, oh, OK, that kind of makes sense too. So I like that about it. So I'm very interested to see what they're going to do with Season 3. And then after that, I don't know what else we can expect because we don't have any other Walking Dead projects in the mix. Darrell Dixon and the Dead City are the only two right now. I I did see an article that said they will not be bringing back tales of The Walking Dead. Oh, they won't. No. I like tales. I think, I think part of the problem with that one is they tried to do things a little too different, which I didn't have a problem with. I I like seeing different aspects of that world, but I think at this point, I don't know The Walking Dead has always been very character driven and character arc driven. And with something like tales, especially if you have stories about characters that we really don't know. And at the end of the day, it one episode we really not going to care that much about this is not going to work. So I mean y'all can always like you said, give us a renewing in. Give us some more Rick and Michelle, maybe in another, I don't know.

1:11:49 I wouldn't be mad at it, but I'm interested to see what they're going to do. Or is this going to be the end of it would happen? It would. This is why I say it would have to be the end as much as we wouldn't want it to be. It would have to be the end because of the way the ones that it the ones that the end, the ones that live in was who live in the because of the way that they ended with them opening up the city, with them providing aid to everybody. Why are we still fighting? Yeah. What would be the point? Because we know they're now sharing with other communities. And if anybody wants to come in, we'll help you. Yeah. Would be the point of going anywhere else. It it at least in the United States, right? What would be the point of going anywhere else and fighting over anything?

1:12:39 'Cause you know that shit over there, 'cause the CRM us alone with our stuff. Correct. And we know the CRM has it figured out, 'cause they have cars, they have tanks, they have airplanes, helicopters, yeah, these things run on fuel. So they have the fuel thing figured out. So it would make zero sense to have another story where basically the ones that live tell us how it all ends. Yeah, I would like to see some kind of reunion, not just with like Rick and Daryl and Carol Morgan. Morgan was on his way to see him. I would like to see that.

1:13:22 I would like to see what happened with the younglings from World beyond, because remember, they were on their way to Seattle at the end of that show. And Seattle was was the city that was about to be bombed. And the ones who live, I want to see where their story is. What are they doing now? You know are. I think they would have to have basically one big ass reunion show. And you know what, I wouldn't be mad about that. You have you have Dwight and Sherry who was talking about coming back and, and and redoing the sanctuary. Of course, the sanctuary, the actual location is garbage now. Negan saw that, you know, years ago. But maybe they can go somewhere else, do something else. Maybe, you know, there can be some kind of reunion there. I mean, it's been years now.

1:14:18 Everyone has grown, everyone has done things. I would really like to see Megan go and give everybody an apology, like a heartfelt apology, because I feel like at this point you can't just cast them out because everybody has done some horrible stuff, you know? I mean, even even with Dwight and Sherry, y'all left your children with this Organism, your child with this organization, and y'all were helping. So it's just at this point I would like to see some closure on all the characters if they're not going to do anything else, but they still have plenty of room to do other stuff. It's it's just a matter of what they decide to do and whether it's something that we want to see.

1:14:59 I still wouldn't mind seeing Aaron and Father Gabriel. Yeah. You know, you still can go backwards and tell stories from that time in between. Yeah. You know, so it it just it just all depends. But yeah, I guess, I guess we'll see. Like I said, Darrell Dixon Season 4, that's that'll be in the end of that show. I don't know if season 3 will be the end for Dead City. I guess it depends on what kind of story they tell. Maybe they'll go for seasons as well. I don't know. But yeah, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. So hopefully Michelle will be back with us on the next episode.

1:15:42 You know, it's it's the beginning of August. We're back in school. So lots of stuff going on. Michelle's a teacher and then her and Anthony's daughter is a senior this year. So they got they busy. They busy, but she'll be back on the next episode. Casey, you have any final thoughts on this episode? No, the bias is dead. And on that note, that is it for our show. You can find us online at www.phantomhybrid.com. We are on social media on all the social media at Phantom Hybrid.

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