The Wheel of Time S2E1 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #339

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What's up hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I am here

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with Anthony and Mike and we are
at long last discussing Season 2

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Episode 1 of The Wheel of Time.
So the reason why we are just

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now getting around to recording
Season 2 Episode 1, what had

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happened was when Season 2 came
out.

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When was this?
Back in 2022-2023, we had plans.

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We had plans to start recording.
We actually tried to record the

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first episode.
We had really bad weather here

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and the recording was just, it
was horrible.

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Like there were cut offs, the
Internet kept going out,

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everybody's screen kept freedom.
So we were like, OK, you know,

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stick a pen in this, as Anthony
like to say, and we're going to

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come back to it when the
weather's not so bad.

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Then Conjuration happened and we
had a season 2 panel at

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Conjuration discussing the
entire season 2A Wheel of Time.

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Well, guess what?
We all thought that we had

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already discussed this show on
the podcast because of that

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discussion, and then we figured
out we had it and then

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everything under the sun was
coming out.

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So it was just kind of like
we're trying to stay up up to

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date with current shows and
still like, OK, we got to go

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back and do this.
We got to go back and do this.

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So now that Season 3 is
literally around the corner, we

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were like, OK, I think it's a
good time for us to revisit

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Season 2.
So that's what we're going to

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do.
But before we get into Season 2,

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Mike was not with us on our
discussion of the Season 1

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finale and I know he probably
had some thoughts.

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So Mike, what did you think
about the Season 1 finale?

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And be brief.
To be brief, I knew it was

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Rand's bitch ass that was the
fucking Dragon.

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That lame ass motherfucker.
I hate him.

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Why he's so.
He's so lame.

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He just he's he's such a old wag
Wayne and he just finds so that

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I can't I can't do it with him.
I I just can't.

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I can't, but I'm glad they had
their girls get it done moment

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at the end and and destroyed
everybody.

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That was cool as shit.
Even though I'm I'm scared that

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they have the horn now.
I'm like, oh, that's and that

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sneaky motherfucker.
You tell my parents saying.

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Yes, that motherfucker creeps me
the fuck out.

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He does now like when when we
first met him in the 1st

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episode.
Right, you did not.

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But now I'm like oh hell.
He might be a little off with

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him, but I didn't think he was
like a dark friend or anything

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like that, as we've discovered.
But yeah, now especially him in

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his first episode, just the way
he was looking at the little

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girl like this.
I was like, dude.

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No, no Sir, No Sir.
The hell?

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So anyway, Anthony, your screen
name, I'm so glad you put it

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there 'cause I thought it was
just me because I was like the

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first time I watched this.
Was it this slow?

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And I think it was because I
think it took me like 3 times to

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get through the first episode of
season 2 the first time I

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watched it.
And then when I was watching it

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today, I was like, is it just me
or does it seem slow?

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Or is it just that because
everyone is separated?

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It just felt that way 'cause I,
I kind of think that's part of

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it too.
Because you have a Gwain and

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naeve in in the tower.
You have pairing out with loyal

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looking for Pat and fan.
You have Matt being held

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captained by the red Aja.
And then, you know, we see one

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small glimpse of Ran wherever in
the world he is.

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And I was like, wherever he is,
wherever he is, that was like,

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you know, And then you got more
rain and land over here.

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I was like, maybe that's why it
seems so slow because you don't

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have the dynamic of them all
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And it just.
Man, this episode seemed like a

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it.
It seemed like it took it was

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like in game long.
I was like, but it's see, but

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you felt it.
I felt like, oh God, how long

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have I been watching this book?
It's like I actually watched it

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again.
And I'm like, I know all this,

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but why is it still taking?
It takes longer when you already

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know what's going to happen?
Yeah.

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It's like, oh God, it's like,
that's that's where it took four

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hours.
I was just like sitting there.

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I watched half of it at work.
I watched half of it here last

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night, and I finished it when I
got back home today.

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I was like, damn, it took
forever.

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Here, here's some inside
baseball.

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I texted how to go, like can we
push it to 9:00?

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And the reason why I said that
was Michelle wanted to watch it

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with me, right?
She didn't want to be a podcast,

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but she likes to show she wanted
to watch it with me.

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And she ended up doing
something.

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I was like, you know what?
She said no, never mind, you can

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go ahead and start without me.
I said cool, I'm sitting here

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watching it.
And I started regretting my life

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decisions.
I really did.

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I was like, Oh my God, I got to
watch it and then I got to talk

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about it.
But it's so slow.

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And then they try to fool you by
giving you a little bit of

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accident at the end.
But no, right.

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I I got up, I went to the
kitchen, fixed me a drink, You

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know, I went upstairs, said
something to Bailey, said

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something to Michelle.
I came back downstairs and Marie

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was still talking to Bill.
I'm like, what?

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I I left.
Why was she talking to him that

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long?
I was like, Oh my God, that's

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so.
She was.

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Avoiding talking to LAN.
Right.

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And if I have to watch the
sisters sit down and eat one

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more time, Oh my God, what?
What are we doing?

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Yeah, I started wondering if
that was also maybe the reason

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why we just never got around to
it.

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Because, OK, we've already seen
the entire season, so we know

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what happens.
We know that the action picks

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up, we know that the story picks
up and you know, all this other

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stuff.
But it was just getting through

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this first episode, landing his
ABS notwithstanding, because

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that's what's on my background
right now.

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But don't shake your head at me,
right?

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Don't shake your head.
Look, we are, we are here

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complaining about the episode.
That was the one bright spot.

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I was like, what's the name?
Like, hey, I need you to step

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over to the left.
Hey.

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Yeah, she's gonna move, move,
step.

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Over to the left.
Hey, land what you say.

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I know it must be so hot.
I love them.

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They're kind of like The Golden
Girls.

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They're just like making jokes
and like it's like 2 Blanches.

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They're fucking awesome.
Right.

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And you can imagine 2 blanches.
Oh my God.

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One was enough.
But OK, so, so let's talk about

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some stuff about this episode
because Anthony, as the resident

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Will of Time book guru, you
might have to answer some

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questions.
And I know that they have done a

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lot.
I don't.

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I don't have no answers for you.
No, it's not anything like deep

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or anything about like, I just
have certain questions.

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OK, so the meeting that takes
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the Dark One and and the people
sitting around the table, he

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refers to them as the chosen.
I don't think we talked about

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them in the last season or they
were brought up in the last

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season.
So just kind of briefly, can you

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give a little like description
of who the chosen are?

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OK so I'm this this is the issue
with this show because I'm not

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sure if it was the forsaken or
just some of the main dark

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friends.
Oh, OK.

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Yeah, well, they weren't they,
they did kind of shadow their

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face.
The only one that we knew was

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there for sure was Pat and Fane.
And we know some somebody was

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there with some long ass
fingernails and then somebody

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was there who had a little girl.
We without giving you I'm, I'm

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just going to say this would not
be the Forsaken would not sit

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together and be so nice to each
other.

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OK, so they're so it's probably
the Dark friends.

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So it's really, those are really
just the dark friends.

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OK.
Those are probably the main dark

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friends and some other people.
OK.

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I don't, I'm not sure how
they're going to do the Forsaken

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in this show, but the way these
people are sitting around,

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that's not a, that's not really
a Forsaken thing.

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And they show some rings, you
know, which might hand it some

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other group that exist.
And then you see some symbols of

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of the, the, the place where we
were before, where all the

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Charlotte's got wiped out.
Yes.

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These are these are all dark.
You see them, you know that

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Forsaken.
They don't.

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They don't get along OK.
They had some, they had some

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interesting jewelry choices.
I gotta admit, some of the rings

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are fire.
I was, I was like, OK, I can

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actually.
I mean the the, the jewelry in

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the costume in just in the show
in, in general.

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In general, yeah, yeah.
It's fire is really good.

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Yeah, but but the rings are
important.

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They're simple.
They're symbolic.

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It means something of a
particular group, yes.

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OK, OK.
So the Forsaken were a group of

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formerly Asodai.
They were the ones that caused

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the Dark One to come into the
world.

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They joined the Dark One and
they had to be put down, but

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they were.
Said they're former eyes to die.

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Most of them, yes, OK, they were
they were because you know, any

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anyone in the past to was able
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our sky.
And if you remember in last

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season, Louis Theron was talking
to the leader of the women like

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he was the leader of the azadi.
And you know, because of what

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happened to the men, there are
no male azadiene.

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Right.
So some of the Forsaken used to

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be Azadi and they were
imprisoned with the Dark One.

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OK.
And Ishmael, this one, he

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somehow was out, but if you
notice in their last episode

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where the prison, one of the
doors of the prison cracked.

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So that's going to maybe allow
some of the Forsaken to escape

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because they even locked away
too.

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OK.
So, but they were his followers.

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He has given them access to an
additional power, the true

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power.
Because right now I said only

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using one power, and then
there's a true power.

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OK, OK.
Anyway, without giving way too

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much, I'm not sure how much I
told you guys we talked about

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last season, how much y'all
figured out, but that's safe

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enough to tell you.
OK, cool.

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All right, let's talk about
these characters and and what

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they have been getting up to.
I will say this, as slow as this

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episode was, Moraine was getting
on my last nerve.

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She really was.
And I mean, I understand.

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I understand her state of mind.
I understand what she must be

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going through as far as you
know, this being a huge part of

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who she was, her being connected
to the source.

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And she no longer is.
She's not connected to land

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anymore.
In that way.

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The bond is broken, or I won't
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It was masked and they can't
lift it because of her not

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having access to the to the
source.

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But I was like, Moraine, aside
from these three people whose

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house you are just kind of holed
up in for the last six months or

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so, you really are alone right
now.

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You don't have your other
sisters, you don't have the

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ambulance seat.
Les is really the only person

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there who has your back, who is
your ride or die, and you are

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treating him like garbage when I
he's.

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Nervous too.
And he has the patience of a St.

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because if that is the way she's
been treating him every day for

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six months, Nah, I would have
been like, you know what, We

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need some.
Yeah, I need to.

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Go.
It's like, it's like they're,

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it's like they're a married
couple that has to stay together

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until one of them actually finds
another place to stay.

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And it's like they're awkward
and she doesn't want anything to

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do with him.
And he's like, I'm trying, I'm

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trying to be cordial.
Then he's just like, you know

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what, fuck it.
You come downstairs and get your

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own damn food.
I mean, and I can tell like

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she's trying to push him away
probably because of whatever,

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whatever this stuff is that
she's doing.

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So she she meets with this this
sailor who tries to bring her a

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piece of that.
What is the stone called?

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I can't, I can't.
Windar brings her a piece of

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that thinking he bout to make
some some money because if she's

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talking about she can go get a a
prized racehorse for five marks.

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He was asking her for 50 that
probably would have made him

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rich.
And then he offers hers this

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poem for five marks.
And then she was like, for a

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poem.
And he was like, OK, I'll mark

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it down.
I'll give you the poem for a

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dollar, but I'm not budging on
the rock.

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She's like, OK, she gives him
the mark, 'cause she takes the

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poem.
She was like, that's all I need.

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So the thing about the the stone
is that the same stone that the

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prison was made out of in the
last episode, yes.

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And it's supposed to be a really
strong stone, is not supposed to

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break.
And this one is broken.

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So that's like significant,
right?

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Yeah, really strong is an
understatement.

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OK.
Qandar is indestructible.

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OK, so the fact that it's broken
is a big deal.

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Is a problem.
OK, now that's not the same

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stone that Ishmael came out of,
is it?

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The that the floor.
Well, then she looked down and

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it was.
Cracking.

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No.
Didn't didn't Rand have the the

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stone in his hand?
Because.

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Because Moraine had it in her
hand at the end, didn't she?

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When she was telling LAN about
what happened, what transpired?

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She had a piece in her hand.
OK.

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From, from, from the, from the
floor, yeah.

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Oh, OK, OK, OK, so, OK, So what
does that stone, what does that

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stone or that material, what
does it do exactly?

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Is is.
Or is or would that be?

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Spoilery.
What it doesn't do, it doesn't

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break.
It's easy to tell you what it

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doesn't do.
It doesn't break.

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OK, It's difficult to make.
It's very rare.

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They don't like they.
I would say they really don't

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like making it because it's
indestructible.

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But there are times when they've
needed it and that's why they

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used it to imprison the Dark One
and the the Forsaken, because

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they shouldn't be able to break
out of it.

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OK, but when you got somebody
like the Dragon Reborn walking

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around, I guess that might make
things a little bit easier.

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Lame so.
You know what?

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Stop it, stop it.
You just mad 'cause he got the

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powers and you don't know the.
Message anyway.

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No, it wasn't.
It wasn't supposed to break.

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It's not the IT does.
It's not.

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It doesn't break.
OK.

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It doesn't break, she knows, so
the poem was important, but she

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already knew about the Quindia.
Right.

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So that 'cause she was literally
there when it happened.

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Yeah, OK.
Right.

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And so there there anything in
the world that is made of that

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might be breaking and that's not
good.

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Oh, oh, OK.
Like the tower?

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The tower is not made of
Quindine.

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OK.
Well, in the books is not.

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OK, I can see, I can see where
Mike would think that though

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'cause I mean they they refer to
it as the White Tower and that

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is very, very obviously a.
It looked, it looked.

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Like a a bright white stone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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OK, yeah.
When you when you say.

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That very specific reason why
Quindar is was used for a

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specific thing and now it's the
problem that it's breaking.

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OK.
And so I didn't even think about

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the fact that, OK, if it broken
the floor, that could mean it's

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breaking everywhere else, but.
Or or weakening or.

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We OK, OK, but yeah, 'cause then
how would he have gotten that

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piece 'cause I'm pretty sure he
didn't go to the to what is the

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eye of the world?
He.

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No, no, he.
So, OK, so OK, OK.

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So that's probably something
we'll learn a little bit more

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about as this season goes on.
You think because I don't

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because I don't remember.
It's been it's been a while

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since I've seen.
The the way this the way the

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show is tracking the
significance of this may not be

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for another two seasons.
Oh, OK.

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Slow, yes.
OK, OK.

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Well.
I mean, it depends on how fast

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they want to jump forward.
It depends on how much they're

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going to cut out, how much
they're going to change.

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They've already changed a lot.
Right.

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But if they're going to, if
they're going to use this part

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of the story being really
connect at Rand's got a Rand has

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a lot he has to do OK before
that is even significant.

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OK.
The Quebec.

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And we don't know exactly what
Rand is doing 'cause we

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literally only saw one shot of
him in this episode, and that

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was because it was Beltine and
he was putting, you know, he was

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putting the Lantern up.
So punk ass.

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You know what?
Shout, shout to Ran having the

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worst, worst disguise ever.
He's like, oh, I got it.

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I got to hide out.
I don't want anyone finding me.

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You know, I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna cut my hair.

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You.
Can't be like a 6-7 dude with

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red hair walking around.
He's still a 6-7 dude, but then

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he's.
Not red, yeah, but depending on

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where he is in the world, that
nobody.

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Got no cloak on.
He ain't got no different

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clothes on.
He out there bare headed, still

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with the same eyes.
The eyes, mind you, are the

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same.
Is that anyone sees those eyes,

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they're gonna be like Fran.
What the fuck?

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But if he is on the other side
of the world where people don't

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know him is, it won't matter as
much.

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He grew up.
He grew up in the two rivers.

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Didn't they say that that the
dragon would draw people to him

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or draw whatever is going to
happen to him or they'll be

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attracted to him?
Yeah, but that doesn't

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necessarily mean they're going
to be attracted to him because

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his red, because of his red
butts cut and.

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And that doesn't necessarily
mean what you think it means.

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Fine, whatever.
You just want to hate and the

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man, look, the man has barely he
was in he was in this episode

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for like 10 seconds.
He hasn't even done anything to

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like, elicit this strong
reaction yet.

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I got a whole season stuff to
hate him for last season.

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What are you talking about?
And you're talking like he has

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an Instagram where they can go
look at his pictures and know

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who he is.
Fine, OK, fine.

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I'm just saying.
He grew up in the Two Rivers.

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People 100,000 miles away do not
know who he is.

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All right, fine.
The only thing that would make

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him stand out would be the red
hair because dude, you got red

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hair.
But it's like IU but later, you

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know other people have red hair
than the IU so maybe he didn't

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have to shave his.
Hair.

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Yeah, and like he didn't even
know who the IO were, so.

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No.
And there are people all over

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the place who's never seen the
IO.

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OK, that's.
Fine, yeah, just like there,

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there's a there's a line in in
Outlander where Jamie Fraser,

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who is a redhead, his step kids
come in the room when he's with

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Claire and one of them is red
haired and she was like that

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little girl called you daddy, he
said.

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I'm not the only red headed
person in Scotland.

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It's like Rand isn't the only
red headed person.

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He might not even be the only 6
foot 7 tall red haired person in

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that area.
So.

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OK, human loyal.
OK, fine.

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Loyal has a very distinct look
about him.

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I don't think anybody will be
mistaking him for anything other

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than what he is, so I'm just
saying Layoff ran for a little

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bit.
Yeah, set up for Marine for

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getting bail in trouble for
being greedy as he came in and

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said were you follow.
He's like yeah.

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She's like oh shit, get in your
boat.

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Go.
He was like the fuck you do?

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He's like just get in your boat
like God damn it.

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Yeah, because one for for one
Duckett, for one Duckett.

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Right.
But so the quote UN quote,

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people who are following him,
not people at all this the what?

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What do you call them?
The right, the what?

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Oh, I'm sorry, they call mergel.
Yes them OK the the things that

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came and whooped Moraine and
Lance ass at the end of the

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episode yeah because he was like
yeah them things following me

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with black clothes She was like
did you see their face No, why?

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She was like, yeah, you need to
run, You need to.

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She was like, go to jail, go
directly to jail.

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Do not pass gold.
Then I can make $200.

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Just get the.
Fuck, he was like, my bro can't

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go in the seat.
She was like, well, sick and

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short, just get the fuck home.
I was like damn.

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Look, the way that her attitude
changed from before, he said he

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was being followed by people in
black clothes to afterwards.

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What is it?
We always say people are not

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reading the room.
He was not reading the room.

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Because the moment her, the
moment she shifted, I would have

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been like, I'm out.
Yeah, she was like, she was

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like.
Hold, hold up, hold up.

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What?
What do those people look like

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they was following?
You.

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They got black clothes.
Did you see their faces?

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No, they kept their hoods.
Yeah.

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You want to go now?
She could have really told him.

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Your life is in danger.
I need you to but she trying to

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I'm.
Sure, he figured that out.

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Look, if he survived, if he made
it to the boat, because, because

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chances are he didn't, they
found her.

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Yeah, that's what they were.
They were probably following

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him.
To get to her, especially if I

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don't know how smart those
things are, but if she's been

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having visitors over the last
six months, like they were

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saying they were like, oh, this
is what, her 44th visitor or

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40th visitor?
If you had that many people

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coming to you for whatever it is
that you're looking for, word of

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mouth travels.
People are probably like, yeah,

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Maria and Sadai is looking for
such and such like.

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They probably don't.
Maybe they don't comprehend it,

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but the gossip is there.
Whoever's controlling them is

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probably like, yeah, you need to
follow this person and this

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person.
You need to do this to try to

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find her, 'cause obviously she's
staying put.

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Nobody's, nobody's coming to
look for her.

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She's sending out for people,
which is kind of dangerous in

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and of itself, but that's
probably one of the reasons why

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she's keeping land at arm's
land, because she's doing

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something that she none of this
is doing.

431
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You have no powers.
You have no friends right now.

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Not I mean, not really.
You got the people that you live

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with, but that's that's only
four people.

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You kinda need to be a little
more careful, Moraine.

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00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,880
Well, who you invite into the
house?

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Not she'll care.
She she trying to get what she

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need to get.
She'll care.

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It's not like the merger or
fades.

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It's not like they talk to
anybody to get information.

440
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They they're not intelligence
gatherers, but but you know,

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they do have some tactical
sense.

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So if they do notice that all
these people are going and been

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made here, you know, so I don't
know, it's it's hard.

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It's one of those things that
that OK, your, your instincts

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are right because you're asking
the questions.

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I don't know how how smart they
are.

447
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They ain't really smart, I
guess.

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I mean, they're smarter.
Than.

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And see, I don't, I see from,
from what I remember of last

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season, I don't think so much
that they're programmed as much

451
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,440
as they they are given orders
and they do know enough to

452
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,320
follow orders.
So that's why I was saying

453
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,640
whoever is controlling them is
probably saying, hey, you know,

454
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:29,120
and especially if it's somebody
like Ishmael who probably has a,

455
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,000
a way to come communicate with
them telepathically if he's the

456
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,760
one doing it.
But whoever is controlling them,

457
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,840
or whoever they're working for,
whatever the case may be, they

458
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,880
probably have a way to
communicate with them to where

459
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,960
they understand that.
Sounds like a good hypothesis.

460
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,960
I mean if.
Notice he didn't want to say

461
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,400
theory.
That's.

462
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,880
Just a great theory.
Hypothesis because yeah, he, he

463
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,320
knows Marine is alive.
He knows that as long as Marine

464
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,400
is alive, she's going to, you
know, try to fight them.

465
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,640
And maybe he's like, you know
what?

466
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,120
And try to figure out how to get
her power back that he stole

467
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,720
from her.
Right.

468
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,800
So he sends, he's communicating
with the merger.

469
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,680
We know he has that power,
right?

470
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,320
He did it in The Cave.
I mean he did it in the prison.

471
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,880
So he probably is talking to him
and you know, fades or merger.

472
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,640
Sometimes they call fades, but
they're.

473
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,680
Yeah, I think, I think they
called them fades last.

474
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:36,040
Year they are.
They're like the offspring or

475
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:42,680
offshoot of Trollix.
They are throwback to the human

476
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,920
form.
Like what?

477
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,160
Right.
Weird, but they're they're

478
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:56,440
they're sort of human Trollix,
the the more beastly offspring.

479
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,000
They don't survive long, but the
merge will do.

480
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,160
And they're the ones that are
sort of like the generals or

481
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,200
leaders of the trolleyk.
Army, I do remember that.

482
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:08,920
OK, I.
Remember that?

483
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,800
Yeah.
So they have a little bit of

484
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,840
sense, but it's probably because
they it's easier to communicate

485
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,080
with them and it's easy for them
to communicate with the

486
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,400
trolleyks.
OK, Does that make sense?

487
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,520
Yep.
Yeah, absolutely.

488
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,200
Yeah, and you know, that would
explain why the tragic armies

489
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,600
kind of sucked because the
forsaking got locked away and

490
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,320
they left the mergel in charge
of the armies.

491
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,440
You know, I paid whatever.
But so it's going to be

492
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,640
interesting to see how how this
plays out because you saw what

493
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,840
happened in the end.
Normally if you're just doing

494
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,560
hand to hand combat with with
them is is is is.

495
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,960
Especially.
Outnumbered.

496
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,040
It's a, it should be a done
deal.

497
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,280
But you know, Lynn, Lynn is a
badass in the comic book.

498
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,720
I mean the comic book.
In the books, he's a badass.

499
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,880
So anyone, yeah, is going to
survive that.

500
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,640
It would be him.
But I mean, Marae was not, she

501
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,680
wasn't doing too bad either,
especially considering she

502
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:13,080
doesn't have her powers.
You know, she she I'm not saying

503
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,480
that she was like, she wasn't
Wonder Woman, but she, she held

504
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,720
her own for a while.
She she actually put one of them

505
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:27,080
down and then the other two
showed up and she just she yeah,

506
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,400
she definitely does not have the
skills that landed.

507
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,520
Because when land came up out
that at out that air and just

508
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:39,120
started, I was just like, OK,
this is what I'm here for.

509
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,320
But then he started getting
stabbed and I started having

510
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,120
problems.
If, if I remember my my Book

511
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,560
Marine, Book Marine would look
at that and be like, I wouldn't

512
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,160
be doing all that, 'cause that's
what I got land for.

513
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Yeah, but you've been treating
land like shit, so the fact that

514
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:02,760
he even came to to save her is
just she.

515
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,640
He doesn't.
She does not deserve him.

516
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,880
She does not.
He needs he needs to go back to

517
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,480
the Two Towers and go find Naive
and they can go live the happy

518
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440
life together 'cause Miranda
does not deserve him.

519
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,080
I feel I feel I feel like she's
she's kind of doing.

520
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,240
But though there's a movie with
Matthew Broderick and either Meg

521
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,600
Ryan or Sarah Jessica Parker.
It was Meg Ryan, but it's like

522
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,120
there were he was at the end of
the movie.

523
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,160
She was like yelling at him.
She was like dissing him, trying

524
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,600
to get him to leave.
And she was on the plane.

525
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,240
She saw a movie of so she was
looking at Lassie and this

526
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,760
episode of Lassie where Timmy is
telling is trying to get rid of

527
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,160
him for his own good, like
trying to get him to yell him

528
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,800
like just go away.
So I'm like, see it, it it

529
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,200
really seems like she's, she's
trying to piss him off where

530
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,880
he's just going to be like
fucking go away, Yeah.

531
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,840
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.

532
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,480
So she's, so it's like, it looks
like she's trying to protect

533
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,200
him.
She's she's, she's trying to

534
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,320
like keep him from getting hurt,
but she doesn't realize that

535
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,520
he's very well trained.
He's he's a very well trained

536
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,680
warder and he's not going
anywhere.

537
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,320
Even though, and not only that,
they've been together for 20

538
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,880
years, 20 years.
You think six months of you

539
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,480
being an asshole is just going
to make him be like, OK, no, I'm

540
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920
gone.
Especially considering that she

541
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,600
is all but helpless right now.
He's not going to leave her like

542
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,320
that.
You know, maybe, maybe she got

543
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,520
her, if she got her powers back,
he'd probably be like, you know

544
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,560
what Deuces?
I'm not, I'm not dealing with

545
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,520
this abuse anymore, 'cause like
the way she told him to close

546
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:47,240
the door when the Sailor guy
came door was like, bitch what?

547
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:54,600
And it it reminded me, or rather
I was reminded of it later on

548
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,760
when when Leandro was having her
little her little showdown with

549
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,920
Naive and she was talking about
the waters and their

550
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,680
relationships with the acid
diet.

551
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,800
She was like, they're nothing
but glorified dogs.

552
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,280
I was like, Yep, that's exactly
how Moraine has been treated

553
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,480
land in this episode.
Like, yeah, not not too much

554
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,200
better than than a pet, but that
pet just saved her life.

555
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,600
But he was like, where do you
hide?

556
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:30,880
His ass with see.
In it's very it's hard to kind

557
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:37,200
of separate the show from the
book, but for her he she doesn't

558
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:44,840
really view him like a warder
really see she didn't need him,

559
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:51,480
but she really more or less was
trying to save him from.

560
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,960
Because of everything that
happened with his Kingdom and.

561
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:03,760
Stuff happened she's really so
with the struggle for her is not

562
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:10,200
having her powers.
She can't protect him and so

563
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,280
she's a she's doing all these
things We Michelle and I just

564
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:22,120
watched Star Trek the other day
2009 and the scene spoiler in

565
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,560
there where.
That is not a spoiler, that is

566
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:31,160
how long ago.
The sewer Spock is trying to

567
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,560
deal with Kirk.
If the Kirk come back and Kirk

568
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,840
is they tell Kirk you you he's
talking to spot Kirk is talking

569
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,160
to prime Spock on the planet.
He's like you got to you got to

570
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,040
get him from in charge of the
ship because he's emotionally

571
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,320
compromised.
He's like no trust me, we just

572
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,800
lost our.
Mother.

573
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,440
Yeah.
Place and mother.

574
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,760
I'm emotionally compromised and
that's how Marine is.

575
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:02,720
She has lost her power.
She can't feel the source

576
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,600
anymore.
Yeah, she's lost a part of

577
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,640
herself.
Right, She's emotionally

578
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,680
compromised.
She's.

579
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,639
Basically her reason for being,
yeah.

580
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,280
Yeah, she's not thinking
clearly.

581
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,760
She's doing things that make it
look like she's thinking

582
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,840
clearly.
She obviously has a plan, but as

583
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,000
far as Lane goes and and how she
really feels about losing

584
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,520
powers, she's not.
She's emotionally compromised.

585
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,639
Yeah, because I was going to ask
this question.

586
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:34,120
So we know what happens when an
isodide and water bond is

587
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,159
completely broken because we saw
that with stepping last year

588
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:43,920
after what's her name died.
Like, he literally really

589
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,360
couldn't function without her
because that bond is so strong.

590
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:54,560
And I feel like when you're
looking at the beginning of that

591
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,200
episode and you see, you see
Moraine kind of in her solitude,

592
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,760
just kind of taking in what has
happened to her.

593
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,800
When she's in the tub and she's
trying to make, you know, she's

594
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,320
trying to make the water warm
like we've seen her do before.

595
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,000
She can't do it.
And she starts kind of crying

596
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,360
and she's breaking down.
Then on the flip side, you see

597
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,240
Land out in the field.
He's protecting, you know, he's

598
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:22,480
practicing his sword, his
swordsmanship and all this other

599
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,120
stuff.
But you also see him going

600
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,440
through an emotional thing right
there.

601
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,800
So I was wondering, we know
their their bond is masked.

602
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,880
That's not the same as being
broken.

603
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,480
It's just basically like, OK,
it's got a little muzzle on.

604
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,600
It's got a little muffle on it.
So you don't feel it as much?

605
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Can he still feel her at all
with with the bond being masked

606
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:55,080
instead of broken?
I don't see she mastered before

607
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,800
she lost her powers, so that's a
good question.

608
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,720
OK.
Or would it or would he be just

609
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:06,400
getting just enough where it
will just like drive him crazy

610
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,360
where he can't get what he's
what he's looking for from it?

611
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:19,320
See masking only hides the
feelings and emotions it doesn't

612
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,040
necessarily see they don't.
How do they?

613
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,040
I don't think they do that in
the book.

614
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:30,440
I can't remember after I didn't
finish reading, but I would

615
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:37,600
think the way it works is even
if she's masking, when she had

616
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,840
her powers, when she was masking
it, he couldn't tell where she

617
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,880
was, it couldn't tell what she
was feeling.

618
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,520
OK.
But he was still getting the

619
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,640
benefits of the bond.
OK.

620
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,080
The the increased stamina, the
increased strength.

621
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,120
And.
All the, all the, all the

622
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,280
benefits of it, but he didn't
have the the emotional

623
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,280
connection.
OK, so he was just going through

624
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,360
his own thing at the same time
they they were just showing us

625
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,960
that they were both going
through something.

626
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:21,120
It is curious how this is
working because is is is we,

627
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,040
we'll we'll find out more later.
OK, 'cause I have I have some

628
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,400
suspicions about what's going on
with her at this point.

629
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,480
Oh.
I mean the obvious shouldn't

630
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,480
know.
We have seen the whole thing.

631
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,240
But I don't see, that's the
thing I don't remember because

632
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,320
it's it was so long ago and I
haven't gone back to rewatch it.

633
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:45,040
So I'm I'm still a little worky.
I am too because it's it's been

634
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:51,680
a while, but I have my
suspicions about what's going on

635
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,960
with him and why he hasn't gone
into despair.

636
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,120
Because if she lost her power
and the bond is no more, that's

637
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:04,000
similar to if she had died, like
you wouldn't she didn't untie

638
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,520
the bond.
She didn't she didn't take the

639
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,400
stuff away.
So because she couldn't and she

640
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,480
can't mask anymore because she
doesn't have her powers.

641
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,760
OK, so it's just it's it's a
little strange.

642
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,960
I don't know.
I'm having a hard time trying to

643
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:29,800
figure out what's going on with
the bond between is.

644
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,400
Is it because if the power is
gone there shouldn't be a bomb?

645
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:39,080
OK, yeah.
So I OK that because I was just

646
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,800
wondering weird if he was still,
if he was still able to feel

647
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,560
like a tiny bit or if it was
just them kind of showing us a

648
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,920
mirror image of what they were
both going through.

649
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,080
Anything OK?
OK.

650
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,600
Maybe.
Maybe.

651
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,440
It's just instinct.
I mean, they've been together

652
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,240
for 20 years.
True, but maybe subconsciously

653
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,960
because he because because he
couldn't feel her when she lost

654
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,640
her powers, that maybe it's
subconsciously to him.

655
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,400
It still feels like he's being
amassed.

656
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,000
OK, so then he wouldn't feel the
loss, OK?

657
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,760
He wouldn't feel the
disconnection because he's

658
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,800
already dealt with her masking
and him being like right with

659
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,400
her.
OK, Does that make sense?

660
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,040
Like it doesn't.
It's not like she died and she's

661
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,920
no longer there.
But he knows what she is, and he

662
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,200
knows that she hides it from
him.

663
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,640
He still may feel like she's
still hiding from him.

664
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,120
OK, you know OK.
And it's fighting.

665
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,160
And also, as good a swordsman
and athlete and physical

666
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,120
condition he is, he probably
wouldn't really notice if he's

667
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,160
not exerting himself, he
probably wouldn't notice that

668
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:59,440
he's not getting a benefit.
OK, yeah, because I was going to

669
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,640
say some of those blows he took
at the end, like he got stabbed

670
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,320
several times, he got slashed.
His his tendons in his leg have

671
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,560
been cut.
It looked like because of the

672
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,640
way that he was trying to get up
and he was still getting up,

673
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,080
fighting, flipping, doing this
and that.

674
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,360
And I was just like, how?
But yeah, if he's been

675
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,680
benefiting from.
From, from the bond for 20

676
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,400
years, I would think that some
of that would still be kind of

677
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,000
maybe in there, you know,
because I mean, I think if I

678
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,880
remember correctly from the
first season when she was going

679
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,880
to see the ambulance seat in
that little secret thing that

680
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,320
they have and, you know, she
masked the bond.

681
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:50,160
It was like, OK, yeah, I can't
feel you because obviously if

682
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,560
she going in there to have sex
with her girlfriend, he don't

683
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,880
want to be feeling all of that
and she don't want him feeling

684
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,600
all of that.
But yeah, so it was just one of

685
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,880
those things.
I was just kind of wondering,

686
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,800
well, I'm just let's not, let's
not get it to a whole consent

687
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,880
conversation, right?
But OK.

688
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,080
Oh, I'm sorry, side note because
I won't talk about this.

689
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,800
It was so funny when E Gwen went
to go see what's her name.

690
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,280
Yeah, we're we're about to,
we're about to head, we're about

691
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,560
to head to the tower now.
I was like, OK, we're going,

692
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,200
we're going to step away from
Moraine and land for for a

693
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,640
little bit.
Because all I'm going to say is

694
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,080
this man almost died to protect
you.

695
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,680
You better, you better get your,
you know, you better get your

696
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,000
shit together.
So yeah, let's go to the tower,

697
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,080
because another person who was
kind of sort of getting on my

698
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,840
nerves in this episode was 9
Dave.

699
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Oh my God, miss Speaking of this
episode being long, this episode

700
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,400
seemed like Naneeb was soaking
through the castle for like 2

701
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,680
hours.
Like every time she came on she

702
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,440
was soaking through the fucking.
I understand.

703
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,480
I get I get why she's doing it
because she's just like square

704
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,640
peg, round hole round holing
this whole thing right now like

705
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,240
for real.
Like she just doesn't fit in and

706
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,840
it's like.
But but it's so crazy because

707
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,400
she's being so nasty to Alana,
who from all from everything

708
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,840
that we saw in this episode,
Alana has really been trying to

709
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,240
help them help her and Wayne.
She's been encouraging.

710
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,000
She's she's like, it seems to me
like she was kind of being a

711
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,960
little more favorited towards
this side of the table then this

712
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,600
side of the table.
But I don't not my name is like,

713
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,240
I understand there's a whole
bunch of things that's going on.

714
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,560
Rand is gone.
Karen is no longer there with

715
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,120
their Matt.
They don't know where Matt is.

716
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,480
You know, land is off, land is
gone.

717
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,440
Everybody thinks Rand is dead.
I think Rand is.

718
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,160
Dead.
Yeah, Land is, is gone.

719
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,320
He's not there.
And you know, they've been there

720
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,240
for six months.
And like she said, we're all all

721
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,600
we've all we've been doing is
cleaning.

722
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,240
She's trying to teach y'all
other stuff, but you're not

723
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,880
being receptive to it.
When she drank that glass of

724
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,280
dirty water, I, yes, that's
exactly the reaction I had.

725
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,960
And I actually had to cover my
eyes instead of watching that

726
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,480
because I was like, that's just,
I can't, I, I mean, I know it's

727
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,960
not real dirty water, but still
it looked dirty enough.

728
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:28,040
And I was just like I'll.
I mean, I I understand, like

729
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,800
trying to be rebellious, but I
got my limits.

730
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,720
I'm not drinking shit water to
rebel against you.

731
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,040
Like, no, I'll I'll be like,
I'll be like, look over there.

732
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,720
Here, I drink it.
Yeah, I'm like.

733
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,720
I was taking it back into my
room and be like, I'll figure it

734
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,240
out.
I'm not drinking it.

735
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Yeah, I'm.
Yeah, She was just kind of.

736
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,120
She was really working my nerves
in this episode too.

737
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,520
Except for when she was with
when she was with Alana's two

738
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,240
warders.
So obviously she doesn't have an

739
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,240
issue with them, but she has an
issue with Alana, which I'm like

740
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,320
this woman is trying to help
you, but she.

741
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,640
Doesn't trust us to die.
You know what she should have

742
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,920
trusted Alana cause what
happened she ended up getting a

743
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,560
dose of Leandrin and Leandrin
gave it to her gay and put her

744
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:29,000
on her ass.
I was like, OK girl.

745
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,960
But no, I don't trust her.
It's like.

746
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,240
You don't trust who?
Alana or Landry?

747
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,480
Landry.
Oh, of course, of course.

748
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,360
I don't think.
She's like, we don't have

749
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,360
followers 'cause they just slow
us down.

750
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,760
I'm like.
No.

751
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:50,680
OK, so I can understand the the
meaning and the feeling behind

752
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:55,360
what she said as far as with the
waters and bow, especially if I

753
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,360
think I think there was a
discussion from last season

754
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:05,120
where she she, I think she had
been abused by a man before she,

755
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,720
you know, something like that.
I understand her distrust of

756
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,080
men.
I understand why she prefers to

757
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,360
be with a a part of the
sisterhood that that doesn't

758
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,160
have to deal with men or
whatever.

759
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,120
I get that.
I get it.

760
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:27,560
But I guess the whole tough love
thing that she's trying to do

761
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,520
with Naive, I just don't see
that working out so well for

762
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,240
her.
Because you already had this

763
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:40,440
woman who you, by even your own
admission, is one of the most

764
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,440
powerful channelers you guys
have seen in the last 1000

765
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:50,640
years, and you are purposefully
trying to piss her off to get

766
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,200
her to use this power.
Boo, Boo.

767
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,120
That's not go.
That's not gonna work out.

768
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,720
Good for you.
It's not.

769
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,120
Well, I mean, honestly, this is
all Nene's fault.

770
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,840
If Nene would would actually try
'cause it's like she's really

771
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:11,000
she's, she's, she's so she's so
shell shocked and like like so

772
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,480
into inside herself that she's
not trying.

773
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,720
And it's like if she would give
like a little bit of effort,

774
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,560
then Landrum wouldn't have any
ground to stand on against Alana

775
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,200
when they when they were talk,
when they were talking in the

776
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,200
garden and they were saying she
was saying, well, give her to

777
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,680
me.
I'll, I'll, I'll make her do

778
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,480
something.
But it's like if she would have

779
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,560
shown some something then, then,
then they would been like, no,

780
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,440
she's doing stuff.
Just give her some more time.

781
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,680
Yeah, but the only time that
she's showing the the depth of

782
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:47,200
her power is when Land is being
mentioned because or when it has

783
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,960
anything to do with land,
because in the last season, it

784
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,160
was him almost dying when she
released her power.

785
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,040
And in this one, Leandra
mentioned land, something about

786
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,120
him being with Moraine and blah,
blah, blah, and not being there.

787
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,200
And that's when she kind of
went, you know, went off and

788
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,480
released that power.
And then Leandra kind of got it.

789
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,320
She was like, yeah, I just cut
you off with the source.

790
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,640
How you like that?
I mean, she literally just did

791
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:18,080
to her what Ishmael did to
Moraine, cut her off from the

792
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:24,280
source said hers was temporary.
But again, I understand what

793
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,000
you're saying, right?
But but my thing is like, you

794
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,160
know how they say it's never the
loud people that you got to

795
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,360
worry about.
It's the quiet.

796
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,840
It's the ones that you can sit
there and push and push and push

797
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,800
and push and push.
And then when they finally

798
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:45,000
explode, they're the ones who
leave destruction in their path.

799
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,520
She is pushing the wrong buttons
with Nyneve because one Nyneve

800
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,360
already don't like you.
Period.

801
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:59,080
Yeah, she might be being an
asshole to Alana, but I don't

802
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,000
think it's because she doesn't
like Alana.

803
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,040
I think she really just does not
like her circumstances.

804
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,840
She doesn't like being cut off
from parent and mad.

805
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,600
Like I said, they're dealing
with the fact that they think

806
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,960
Rand is dead, land is gone.
She's cut off from everybody

807
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,200
that she really cares about.
And she's surrounded by these

808
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,880
other novices, these other
sisters, and a lot of might be

809
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,240
the only one treating them nice.
Because the other chick who was

810
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:30,200
really kind of nasty and bitchy
to E Gwen, when she threw the

811
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,880
dish in her ball, I was like,
what the fuck is her problem?

812
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,960
Yeah, but that's probably how
all the other sisters are

813
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,400
treating them.
So I can understand her not

814
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,520
wanting to, you know, feel a
little sisterly there, but.

815
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,400
She.
Is a she is a bomb waiting to go

816
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,160
off.
Yeah, she think about in the two

817
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:57,920
rivers, she was a wisdom.
She was the person that, or she

818
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,400
was part of the group that
everybody looked up to, but

819
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,720
everyone look to for guidance
and protection.

820
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,760
She only went with them to
protect them.

821
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,000
Yeah.
And in her mind, she has kind of

822
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,080
failed.
Yeah.

823
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,480
Randy's dead.
Matt is in the wind.

824
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,560
Karen is in the wind.
And she's here where all the

825
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,120
work she did to get to the
position of being wisdom and

826
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,520
y'all have started at the
bottom.

827
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,840
Yeah.
You're so she has all that going

828
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,200
against her.
You're telling her how powerful

829
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,720
she is.
She uses her power and it's a

830
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:39,920
lot and it's scary to her.
Yeah, because she doesn't know

831
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,840
how to control it.
She doesn't know how to control

832
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,840
it.
And she's also as a wisdom,

833
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,080
she's afraid if she uses her
power, she's going to lose

834
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:52,680
control, you know, and and she's
in a real tough situation, you

835
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,440
know, and she doesn't trust, has
to die.

836
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,520
She was raised not to trust
them.

837
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,520
Yeah.
And And it's very hard being

838
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,360
here with him.
And the only reason why she

839
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,360
probably still hanging around is
because.

840
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,600
Gwen is there.
Gwen is there, and if she can't

841
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,600
protect everybody else, she can
at least stay there to protect

842
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,520
the Gwen.
Yeah, yeah.

843
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,480
Yeah, and she's not going to let
these women boss her around when

844
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,080
she's the one who's done the
bossing.

845
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,200
Yeah.
And that was one of the things

846
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,920
that was important to her care
for her character in the book.

847
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,240
She was bossy.
OK, she was bossy, everybody,

848
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:31,400
and she did not like the way
that I said I talked to her.

849
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,280
Yeah, and, and I don't blame
her.

850
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,360
I mean, yeah, but that's why I
said Alana is the one.

851
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,240
She seems to be the only one.
Like, yeah, she has a little bit

852
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:44,400
of a snark to what she's saying,
but it's only because she knows

853
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,000
Naive is challenging her and
she's pushing back a little bit.

854
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:57,440
But it it's just like at some
point what she's doing now is

855
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,880
that's not going to work it.
She's she's going to lose

856
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:04,760
control as much as she's trying
not to do it and I'm not doing

857
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,240
it and giving her look, she
came.

858
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,320
Around she's definitely Leandra
is going to push her over the

859
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,080
edge.
Exactly, exactly.

860
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,400
But I you know what if I was
Leandra?

861
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,160
Because this is the one thing I
will say too, and I need

862
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,800
probably also has it in her mind
because everybody keeps saying

863
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,680
it.
I'm the most powerful channeler

864
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,320
in the last 1000 years.
Y'all.

865
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,680
Y'all don't want to fuck with
me, leave me, leave me the fuck

866
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,000
alone.
That's probably what she's

867
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,680
thinking in her mind.
Yeah, I think they probably

868
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,200
shouldn't have told her that,
but it's like, and because,

869
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,600
because it's like even if you if
you're going into something in

870
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,560
so there I said you're the best,
but you're but you're they're

871
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,360
basically doing the isodive
version of Mr. Miyagi and them

872
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,000
getting getting them to wax on,
wax off and like sand the floor

873
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,760
and paint the fence and all this
shit.

874
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,280
And it's like you're like, what
the fuck is this bullshit?

875
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,880
Like Nick, I don't want to do
all this.

876
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,800
And especially just like you
said, since she was a wisdom and

877
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,800
in charge of people, she's like,
it's really hard to go from that

878
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,440
to being to not being into
having someone over you and

879
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,200
telling you what to do, no
matter how nice, no matter how

880
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,680
nice or how mean they are.
It's like you've lost a certain

881
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,920
cache, a certain level.
Yeah.

882
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:25,520
And that's hard for anybody.
And, and and and you, you're

883
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,640
like, well, I said, I just saved
you.

884
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,960
Why am I working for you?
Why aren't we contemporaries?

885
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,520
Why are you like my boss?
Hey, that's hard.

886
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,160
Yeah, OK, so now let's talk
about it.

887
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:46,200
Quite that poor baby, I thought
in this.

888
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,880
In this episode, she walks.
She walked by when they were

889
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,760
having their little threesome
thing too, right?

890
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,920
She didn't walk by, she was in
the room.

891
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,680
Cleaning up.
Cleaning the meal, Yeah.

892
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:55,520
Yeah.
Yeah.

893
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,520
But as we can tell, Alana don't
care.

894
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,560
Alana is just like, OK,
whatever.

895
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,120
'S going.
Whatever's going to feel good?

896
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,560
When is going to feel good?
How is going to feel good?

897
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Whoever's going to feel good.
It's just, hey, that's that's

898
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,640
what we don't go with it.
That's what we doing.

899
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,600
And Winnie Gwen came in to talk
to her later about not being

900
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,360
able to do the the weaves.
And she was sitting there, she

901
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,360
was eating at pomegranate.
She was just like, I was like,

902
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,240
Oh my God, if if there wasn't
such an age disparity, I would

903
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,960
think that she was trying to
seduce a Gwen because she's just

904
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,640
looking at her.
But no, I think she's like

905
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,400
trying to get a Gwen to kind of
loosen up because, I mean, you

906
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,080
can tell it it Gwen has kind of
sprung a little tight,

907
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,280
especially because of the fact
that Rand is gone because she

908
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,040
thinks he's dead.
Like, that was the love of her

909
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,720
life.
So she's just sitting here like,

910
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,480
yeah, she probably looks she
probably needs to join Alana in

911
00:53:52,480 --> 00:54:00,440
that bed for since I mean, that
point, baby, she looked like she

912
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,320
looked like she was horrified.
I was, she was like, OK, you

913
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,480
know what?
That's a little, that's a little

914
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,760
too much for me, so.
I think we're having two

915
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,520
different conversations.
She's like.

916
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,520
Hilarious.
Thank you so much for the

917
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,560
advice.
Yeah, I'm going to go to the

918
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:20,360
lounge just looking at her like
and oh, she also, she also

919
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,960
started.
She did that when I need too.

920
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,040
When she was talking about
picture, picture of what did she

921
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,400
say?
Picture of rosebud, picture of

922
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,280
blossom, picture of it's pink,
it's supple.

923
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,440
And then he was like, OK, I got
it.

924
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,840
I.
Mean.

925
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,960
I love Alana.
Alana, Alana is a green, is a

926
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,080
green one, right?
Is a green Aja?

927
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,040
Green Aja, Yeah.
Earth yes I I love her character

928
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,360
she.
Earth.

929
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,360
That's why she's dirty.
That makes perfect sense.

930
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,200
OK.
But she she made this episode

931
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,040
fun.
She made this episode fun.

932
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,240
Her and the two wards.
I cannot remember the names

933
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:12,280
right now, but when they were
when they were sparring with

934
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,600
Naive and they were talking to
her about their purpose and and

935
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,960
you know, they figured out that
she's not doing well in her

936
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,600
lessons.
They're like, look, here's the

937
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,280
thing.
You need to figure out why you

938
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,600
came here and you need to let
that be your purpose.

939
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,760
You can't just be here because
people are telling you, you need

940
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,320
to be here.
You need to want to be here and

941
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,000
you need to know why you're
here.

942
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,800
And I'm sitting here like she
here, cousin land.

943
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,080
That's literally it.
She don't want to be a Azidai.

944
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,280
She just she here for him.
She here for a way.

945
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,040
She here for her people.
That's it, That's it.

946
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:50,040
But I like that she has them to
talk to because I feel like even

947
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,800
though she and Gwen are from the
same town, they're they're very

948
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,200
close.
I feel like they're kind of on

949
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,280
two different levels right now
because it Gwen seems to really

950
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,720
want to learn what she needs to
do to be a acid diet and Naneeve

951
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,160
just she doesn't.
I think naneeve is just like,

952
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,680
can we just go back to the two
rivers and forget all this other

953
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,360
shit happened?
I think she would be be really

954
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,720
happy if they could just do
that.

955
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,120
They could just if Ram could
come back, if they could find

956
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:24,280
Matt and just go back home, I
think for her, she would be

957
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,040
happy except for the fact that
Lamb wouldn't be there, but he

958
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:35,080
could come and visit, you know.
But yeah, I just where Dwayne I

959
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:40,160
I that poor baby.
I think, but I think dwayne's

960
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,120
gonna but be alright.
Quicker than naive it's gonna

961
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,600
be.
Yeah, 'cause like I said, she

962
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,200
actually wants to be a nice guy.
Yeah.

963
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,640
Yeah, so she's kind of where she
wants to be right now.

964
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:57,280
She's you know, she's I think
she's struggling because of

965
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,600
everything that's gone on with,
you know, Ram being gone, Matt

966
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,120
being gone, parent being gone,
like it's just her and Wayne

967
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,760
now.
And she might be feeling a

968
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,040
little lost.
But ever since Moraine kind of

969
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,560
put that bug in her head that,
you know, you don't listen to

970
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,080
the wind.
The wind listens to you.

971
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,680
You could be an ice to die.
And even what Alana says in this

972
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,960
episode when she tells Nanny and
she was like, Wayne, you know,

973
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,120
when you guys were in, was it
Tarva?

974
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,960
Not Tarva LON?
What was the other place where

975
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,480
they where the they defeated the
trollops?

976
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,200
But anyway, wherever that place
was, she was like, that's that

977
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,840
sister, the Princess or yeah,
the Princess had to draw from

978
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,320
your power in order to defeat
the trollops, not you guys

979
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,160
drawing from her.
She drew from you.

980
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,400
She was like, Wayne could be one
of the most powerful.

981
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,960
I said I there.
Then she turned around saying I

982
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,200
need you could be 10 times more
powerful.

983
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:55,920
And you saw it.
Wayne's face.

984
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,600
She was at first she was like,
yeah, this.

985
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,720
She was like, oh, wait.
It's like she realized how

986
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,480
powerful I need is because
again, not need isn't really

987
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,760
going around bragging about it.
She's not trying to use her

988
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,400
powers or anything like that.
So for I think for a Wayne to

989
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,520
hear that like, wait, so I could
be powerful, but she could be 10

990
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,560
times more powerful to me.
She's probably looking and I

991
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,600
need like, what the fuck are you
doing?

992
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,560
We're so we can so we can do
some great stuff and go home or

993
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:36,080
whatever.
But yeah, OK, where do I want to

994
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:37,840
go next?
Oh, I guess we need to talk

995
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,680
about pairing because.
Yep, my favorite werewolf.

996
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,680
No.
He is not.

997
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,200
No parent is trip.
Parent is what?

998
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:48,440
Nothing.
Go ahead.

999
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,200
Didn't.
You say he's trash.

1000
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:51,320
Go ahead.
Didn't.

1001
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,320
You say, Oh no, you know you're
not.

1002
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,080
We're not doing that.
No, we're not doing that.

1003
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,080
Oh, the parent's my dog.
I look here's.

1004
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,160
Why my dog?
I see what you did there.

1005
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,440
Is why the parent hate.
It's why you hate.

1006
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:13,720
Me, OK, I'm I'm going to
disclaimer, it is very difficult

1007
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,480
to separate the book from the
show.

1008
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,520
OK.
I'm really trying, it's very

1009
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,120
difficult.
I'm not a fan of this

1010
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,680
characterization of parent.
You.

1011
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:27,200
Understand, because a lot of
parents stuff in the book is

1012
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,640
introspective.
It's inside voice, it's

1013
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,800
thoughts, it's descriptions of
feelings.

1014
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,480
You can't really do that on the
TV show.

1015
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,200
Right, you have.
To act that way and you realize,

1016
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,560
man, if, if he's acting the way
parent feels in the book, why,

1017
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:50,880
why would anyone like him?
Because first of all, first of

1018
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:58,040
all, first of all, let her go.
Take the ring off, put it on the

1019
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,240
thing and let the woman go.
She's gone.

1020
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,720
She's not coming back.
Yeah, but you know what it's

1021
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,040
been like for the year?
But you got to move on.

1022
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:13,280
Yeah, but you got you got people
in real life who take years to

1023
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,480
go through that process.
Hey, hey, I I totally

1024
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,160
understand, but this is a
science.

1025
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,080
This is a fantasy TV show.
Let her go.

1026
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,520
OK, because.
I don't think it's hard.

1027
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,000
I don't think it's necessarily
cool.

1028
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,520
For him, because he feels like
it's her, his father.

1029
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,840
Yeah, that's what I was going to
say.

1030
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,480
I don't think it's necessarily
that he can't let go of her.

1031
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,720
I think he can't let go of his
guilt.

1032
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,960
And I think that that that's a
reminder for him.

1033
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,120
He's got to let it go.
It's only slowing him down.

1034
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,800
And also I need for him to get
with the program.

1035
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,400
Why is he trying to fight all
these signs and signals to him

1036
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,400
and it seems like he's just, I
don't know.

1037
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,280
Yeah, when you have another
black man walk in front of you

1038
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,280
with the gold eyes, you need to
be asking some questions.

1039
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,360
Like bro, can we have a
conversation?

1040
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,280
Yeah, So, OK, so there's this
thing I always tell all my

1041
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,520
friends and I tell the kids I
work with.

1042
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,920
Your emotions always follow the
path of these resistance.

1043
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,840
So yes, he's feeling a lot of
guilt about his wife, Lila I.

1044
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,320
Think Layla.
He's Layla.

1045
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:25,120
He's feeling a lot of guilt
about that and he he's, he's not

1046
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,400
the kind of person to direct all
that energy on himself.

1047
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,000
So all those emotions have to go
somewhere else.

1048
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,200
So he seems like he's angry all
the time, 'cause he's lashing

1049
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,080
out there, everybody.
I mean, he literally said it in

1050
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,280
this episode.
He was like, I have so much

1051
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,760
rage.
Especially because Pat and Fame

1052
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,160
was not necessarily a trusted
friend, but someone that they

1053
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,880
knew, someone that they
considered friendly.

1054
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,960
And yeah, you know.
Yeah, so this is before we had

1055
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,480
grief counseling and trauma
therapy, of course, but he

1056
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,960
literally needs to sit down and
talk to someone about his guilt.

1057
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,720
Have you noticed that there is
no trauma therapy?

1058
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,880
There is no counseling in any
sci-fi fantasy?

1059
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,160
Whatever we watch, there is
none, None, none, none, none,

1060
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,360
none, none.
The only time we ever see it is

1061
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:21,680
when Thor was it.
No, when Thor was talking to

1062
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,720
Banner, he's like, I'm no, was
that Iron Man?

1063
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,000
He's like, I'm not that kind of
doctor.

1064
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,560
Yeah, that was Iron Man.
Oh yeah.

1065
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,280
No, yeah.
Yeah.

1066
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,400
Yeah, yeah.
But I mean, I mean, therapy,

1067
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,720
getting sexy, unless it's a
woman in the gangster in New

1068
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,680
Jersey for some reason, like
it's not interesting.

1069
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,240
But they need it.
That's what we always talk

1070
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,000
about, characters.
They really do.

1071
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,600
But he did.
I remember he did talk to

1072
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,360
someone about it, didn't he?
Yeah, he talked to.

1073
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:55,240
He talked to, I can't think of
what his name is.

1074
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,280
The guy who is the leader of the
group that parent is traveling

1075
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,480
with, He was Domenico.
Domenico.

1076
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,520
Wait.
Yes, that's Dominico.

1077
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,600
Yes, it is.
Wait a minute.

1078
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,400
No, because I saw him and I was
like, he looks really fucking

1079
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,480
familiar.
So I looked him up.

1080
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,960
I was like, mother fucker,
that's Dominico.

1081
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,520
Yep, you're right, 'cause I, you
know what, I remember when the

1082
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,760
casting announcement came out
and we were talking about it

1083
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,480
because we were actually still
recording Discovery Witches at

1084
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:33,360
that time.
Witches, yeah.

1085
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,640
God damn it, that is Dominico,
isn't it?

1086
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,400
It is.
We got a vampire and a werewolf.

1087
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,680
That's just don't.
Be You know what?

1088
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,880
I am not a werewolf.
Didn't you say he's not a

1089
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,120
werewolf, Anthony?
He's.

1090
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,640
Not a I know he's not a
werewolf.

1091
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:46,720
It's just fun.
Fun.

1092
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,840
Just like seeing Anthony shake
his head at me.

1093
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,440
But yeah, I love this.
I love it.

1094
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,400
It makes me look at it more
because like, you know, this

1095
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,880
confession, I didn't get through
the whole season last year.

1096
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:59,800
So I'm kind of watching this
brand new.

1097
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:04,200
Like I got, I got like halfway
through this this season 2.

1098
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,480
So.
But he's like one of my favorite

1099
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,600
parts of the whole thing.
Yeah, of the parts that this is

1100
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,800
I saw because like I was very, I
was a fan of his Discovery

1101
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,720
Witches.
So it's really good seeing him

1102
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:15,440
again.
Oh.

1103
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,840
My God, it damn sure is how.
Did I know?

1104
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,320
How did I know that?
Beard.

1105
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,840
How do you not recognize that
beard?

1106
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,600
Yes.
How do you not recognize that

1107
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,560
beard on that jawline?
But I just kept looking at him

1108
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:34,400
like I know him.
I feel like a bad fan girl now.

1109
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,800
Bad thing.
Well, you should.

1110
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,400
Oh my God, that is totally.
But but yeah, he he parent,

1111
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,240
parent needs some some serious
dose of therapy.

1112
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,600
Just like Matt, they they, they
need help.

1113
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,240
Matt needs an exorcism.
Matt doesn't need therapy.

1114
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,240
Matt, no.
Matt needs to kill Leandron.

1115
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,360
That's what Matt needs to do.
Matt needs to kill Leandron and

1116
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,880
get free.
Because the.

1117
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,680
Fact that she's sitting there
reading the letter.

1118
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:02,560
We'll get there, We'll get
there.

1119
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,600
Let's let's stay with parents
for a second.

1120
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:09,400
Let's stay with parents Loyal.
Loyal's my dog.

1121
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,720
I I love Loyal, loyal, Loyal is.
Like I was going to say, that's

1122
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,480
not, I don't think that would be
like that.

1123
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,160
That would not be the the
politically correct thing to

1124
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,320
say, because loyal does not look
like a regular human ain't.

1125
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,400
Man, I was not even, I wasn't
even going there.

1126
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:32,480
I was not even going there.
Yeah, I mean you, I mean,

1127
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,040
Loyal's the homie.
He's the he's the homie that'll

1128
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,800
tell you what you he's like.
He's kind of like Drax, like you

1129
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,600
like he'll he'll tell you what
you want to hear.

1130
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,400
He'll he'll tell you what you
need to hear and not really

1131
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:44,960
think.
Oh, I probably shouldn't say it

1132
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,120
like that.
He'd make a good therapist,

1133
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,320
that's who.
Parent needs to.

1134
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,560
Talk.
He actually would, and I think.

1135
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,000
I agree.
And I think that's it's good

1136
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:58,600
that they're traveling together
because I think especially

1137
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:03,240
because he knows a little bit
about parents background, maybe

1138
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,000
not a lot, but he knows enough
to know that he was close to

1139
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,360
Gwain and and naive.
He's close enough to know that

1140
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:15,960
he suffered a great loss with
Rand, quote UN quote, dying with

1141
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:20,080
Matt kind of being off grid or
wherever it is that he is.

1142
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:25,960
So I think I think he he's a
good balance for herring

1143
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,080
because, like you say, and the
Perrin is angry all the time,

1144
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:34,240
all the time.
Loyale is happy all the time.

1145
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,240
He's always in a good mood, he
always has something positive to

1146
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,920
say and it's just I, I, I think
he is a tree hugging.

1147
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:47,760
Hippie is what he literally is.
What's the what child tonight?

1148
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,400
Oh my God.
I mean.

1149
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,560
There's nothing wrong with that.
I know that's absolutely.

1150
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,000
Nothing wrong with that, I've
got some good friends.

1151
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,040
Here some people get offended by
tree hugging.

1152
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,360
They have the best weed.
He's got like, he's got like

1153
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:10,040
Fernanda Bull.
What are we doing?

1154
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,680
What are we doing?
Like we're, we're talking, we're

1155
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,080
talking about a fantasy show at
damn near 10:00 at night.

1156
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:21,000
This is what happens.
Though, OK, OK.

1157
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,320
Yeah, Perrin.
So, you know, I, I, I need, I

1158
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:29,040
need for him to move.
OK, I'm, I was going to save

1159
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,240
this to the end.
I'm going to say it now.

1160
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,840
I'm going to go ahead and get it
out the way because I'm going to

1161
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:40,720
forget watching, watching
intellectual property that I've

1162
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,800
already like what having read
the books, knowing where the

1163
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:49,640
story is kind of supposed to go.
I'm I'm an impatient person.

1164
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:51,280
OK.
Right.

1165
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,760
I'm an impatient.
I'm, I'm looking at this like

1166
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:59,000
they, these characters, they've
got things they need to do, all

1167
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,400
right?
We got places they got to go.

1168
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,840
They have roles they have to
fulfill.

1169
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,480
Yeah, I remember you.
I remember you saying this when

1170
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,000
we went over that the first
time, right?

1171
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,760
You were like.
Can we get some stuff that

1172
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,360
starts them where they need to
be?

1173
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,479
Right.
Yeah.

1174
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,359
OK.
You got Matt in this situation.

1175
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,920
I don't see how this is going to
have Matt in the where he's

1176
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:26,960
supposed to be were parents
going through maybe you know, he

1177
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,479
has to learn about the wolf
thing and whatnot.

1178
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,960
I gotcha Ran.
We got 3 seconds of Ran doing

1179
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:39,120
what the fuck?
Lighting a Lighting a a Lantern.

1180
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,120
Wayne's being no, Naniva's being
stubborn, She ain't Boo.

1181
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:47,600
I'm missing some character
development is what I miss.

1182
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,880
I'm missing.
And you we watched this whole

1183
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,000
episode where basically nothing
happens.

1184
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Yeah, right.
The episode end, they're all

1185
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,880
still in the same place.
Yeah.

1186
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,279
Nothing changed and that's my
biggest problem.

1187
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,600
You you only we only going to
get what, 8 episodes?

1188
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,080
Is it 10?
Yes.

1189
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:16,880
And come on, we we don't have
much and you've talked about

1190
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,160
this before with the other
shows.

1191
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,279
Y'all are giving the six
episodes, you know, and don't go

1192
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,720
nowhere.
You get you 4 four episodes of

1193
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,040
going nowhere and then two
episodes of excitement.

1194
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,359
Come on guys.
You you only have several

1195
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:31,080
episodes?
Yep.

1196
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:33,960
Right.
Just go ahead and move the story

1197
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:35,399
forward.
It's not going to hurt.

1198
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,640
It's really not you're it seems
like.

1199
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,960
Especially when you got so many
moving pieces.

1200
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,399
A lot of moving pieces in so
many different places and they

1201
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,520
got they got a lot of crap they
got to do.

1202
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,720
Yeah.
Yeah, this is a sweeping epic.

1203
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,040
The final battle is coming.
Got to get moving.

1204
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:55,400
And we didn't go nowhere in this
episode.

1205
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,720
You really didn't learn anything
in this episode.

1206
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:06,880
Just that what Karen apparently
has the ability to see echoes of

1207
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:10,080
what happened because when they
when they pull up to that

1208
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,760
village and everybody is
slaughtered, he has like a

1209
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,880
vision of a little girl who
escaped.

1210
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,320
And the guy was like, yeah,
there was a child that escaped.

1211
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:23,360
And I'm like, how can parent do
that?

1212
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,520
Yeah, I don't think a werewolf
can do that, Mike.

1213
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,720
We we've seen them before.
You never know we've.

1214
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,280
Seen them?
Before could be a Leighton tree.

1215
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:40,960
In in the Two Towers, Lord of
the Rings, when they were

1216
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:46,400
looking for Marianne Pippen and
yeah, Aragon is looking like, oh

1217
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,640
wait, this happened.
And then they scrambled over

1218
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,360
here.
It's just that they put bodies

1219
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,080
with it, you know?
But he was essentially doing the

1220
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,120
same thing.
Well, he was tracking.

1221
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,960
That's different.
Well, he still could.

1222
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:03,720
He still did the same thing
though.

1223
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,840
He could kind of figure out what
happened.

1224
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:11,160
Yeah, figure out is different,
but Karen actually had an echo

1225
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,480
I.
Think that was a vision, a

1226
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,600
visual interpretation of what he
was doing it.

1227
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,920
Was an.
Amazing kind of way of doing it

1228
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,520
was a visual.
He wasn't actually seeing what

1229
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,360
happened, it's just that that's
what he thought.

1230
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:32,240
And we've seen other TV shows do
it like Oh my God, some do it

1231
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,840
better than the others.
If you remember Mission

1232
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,080
Impossible, when Ethan was
figuring out what happened, he

1233
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,760
was imagining all the different
ways his team died and how it

1234
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,560
felt.
Still spoiler.

1235
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,600
But OK, but see.
Or or we watch, if you watch

1236
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:51,400
like elementary or any of the
any multitude of char Combs

1237
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,080
things, they do the same thing.
They walk in and they're like,

1238
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,080
OK, based on what happened, this
happened and this happened.

1239
01:11:57,480 --> 01:11:59,240
It wasn't.
Like all they take the

1240
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,840
procedurals where it's like they
go through this crime, Yeah.

1241
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,320
Right.
That's all.

1242
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,720
They're just trying to show that
he has an instinct for that.

1243
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:11,040
And it was a cool visual.
But maybe, you know, I can say,

1244
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,760
OK, well, since he's a Tavirian,
maybe he can see echoes.

1245
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,160
And that's what I was wondering
because.

1246
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,920
The guy is a wolf.
The wolf guy, he did the same

1247
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,200
thing.
He's not intervening.

1248
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,920
Yeah, that's just the reason why
I was thinking it was that

1249
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:31,240
because like even in the
examples you just named like

1250
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,640
it's different when you already
know what you're looking for.

1251
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,360
Like, OK, let's say like the
detective procedurals, usually

1252
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,760
you're recreating the steps to a
crime and you have like a body

1253
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,480
here.
So you could you you already

1254
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:50,360
know what this person looks like
and you could kind of visualize

1255
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,920
what happened.
But the way this happened for

1256
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:58,200
parent in this episode, he saw
someone specific.

1257
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,320
He saw a specific little girl,
like exactly what she looked

1258
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:06,840
like, and he didn't know that
that a child had had escaped.

1259
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,320
He just saw that vision.
And then the guy was like, yeah,

1260
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,880
child escaped.
And it just happened to be that

1261
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,240
child.
That's why I was thinking it was

1262
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:18,640
he was maybe has some kind of
power related to whatever it is

1263
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:23,040
that he's going through with his
his animalistic eyes and all

1264
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,400
this other stuff, whatever this
transformation is about to be.

1265
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,920
I was just thinking maybe that
was one of the powers.

1266
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,160
But I mean, if he couldn't do
that in the books, that might be

1267
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,720
different.
But of course, they're changing

1268
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,600
a lot from the books to the
show, so.

1269
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:42,200
Well, without giving away too
much, it's not necessarily a

1270
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,120
power.
OK.

1271
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:49,720
More or less part of his nature
of what he's becoming.

1272
01:13:49,800 --> 01:14:00,760
OK, OK.
OK, You're you're you're trying

1273
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,080
not to spoil.
I know.

1274
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,360
I know.
OK.

1275
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:11,280
But it wasn't like he was re
recreating something that maybe

1276
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:15,440
someone had already seen and it
was just a memory.

1277
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:21,320
OK, OK.
Then not necessarily powers of

1278
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:22,600
intuition.
OK.

1279
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,600
So we won't expound on that
anymore.

1280
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,080
We'll just kind of wait and see
how the season progresses.

1281
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,040
Just say you are on the
something.

1282
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:31,680
It is a part of what he's
becoming.

1283
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,320
OK.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a

1284
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,400
power, just more or less part of
his his nature.

1285
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:45,040
OK, OK, OK, that makes sense.
OK, let's see.

1286
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,520
Do we have anything else about
this episode that we need to

1287
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:53,120
talk about?
Oh, OK, yes, Mandrin haven't met

1288
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:58,320
and I know she has met because
Moraine was the one who sent the

1289
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,360
message saying they need to be
they need to be on the lookout

1290
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,840
for this guy.
And when the person said, who do

1291
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,680
I give the message to?
And she said the rare Asha, I

1292
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,080
said, oh Lord, they're going to
kill Matt.

1293
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,920
But I didn't think she would she
would have him kill Matt.

1294
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,240
I know that she probably just
intended for them to hold him.

1295
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:20,000
Now, whether she intended for
them to hold him for six months,

1296
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:27,040
I don't know.
But I will say this one, they

1297
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,400
did recast the character of
Matt.

1298
01:15:30,440 --> 01:15:33,960
I'm happy to say that it really
didn't make that much of a

1299
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,880
difference to me.
Like I feel like he really he

1300
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,800
came in and you know, we didn't
get to see a lot from him in

1301
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,480
this episode, but I feel like
he'll be OK.

1302
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:48,560
You know the.
Other there was that much of a

1303
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,080
difference.
He just looked like he just

1304
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:53,040
maybe shaved more.
Yeah, he had less hair.

1305
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:58,520
The other thing is I'm glad to
see that Matt still is kind of

1306
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:03,240
holding on to his sanity right
now because I can imagine being

1307
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:08,920
locked in a house with Leandron
every day for six months.

1308
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:12,880
I would probably be ready to
throw myself off the tower.

1309
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,000
I'm just saying I do not like
that character.

1310
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,120
She is horrible.
I hate her and I just, she just

1311
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:27,640
she grates my nerves, but Matt
is, I feel like Matt is not

1312
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,640
going to be there too long.
The fact that he was even able

1313
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:39,200
to make a Lantern for Belle tie
hide it and and she not have any

1314
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,920
clue about it.
I was like, OK, Matt still has

1315
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:45,280
his wits about him.
Probably even more so now that

1316
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,080
he's been so separated from that
dagger for so long.

1317
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,280
It's like maybe now he's
thinking like himself again

1318
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,560
instead of being corrupted by
the dagger from last season.

1319
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:01,040
So I was like, yeah, Matt's
probably going to find a way to

1320
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,320
get out of there.
We got to remember Matt, Matt is

1321
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,960
a con artist.
He has a way of getting out of

1322
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,880
kind of sticky situations and
figuring things out.

1323
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:13,080
So I don't think he's going to
be with Leandra for long.

1324
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,360
But I thought it was so cruel
that she sat there and read

1325
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,400
parents letter and she omitted
all mention of him in the

1326
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,760
letter.
Like, oh, he didn't even mention

1327
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,280
you.
I was like you.

1328
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,360
You try to turn him against
them.

1329
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,200
I don't like you and I hope you
get what's coming.

1330
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,320
I just I don't like that
characteristics all I'm.

1331
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:38,440
Going to say about Matt is, you
know, anyone who's listening,

1332
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:42,440
who's read the books knows that
Matt is probably the most

1333
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:45,400
popular character.
He's probably the fan favorite

1334
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:52,280
of people who read the books and
it it's kind of it's kind of

1335
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,800
disheartening because you said
something interesting.

1336
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:01,240
You know, Matt is a con artist.
What makes Matt such a good

1337
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:08,280
gambler and and confidence game
artist is he never loses his to

1338
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:12,640
very nature is that luck is
always on his side.

1339
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:16,080
Yeah.
Even in the worst of situations

1340
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,640
he is like if something terrible
happens to him, it was for a

1341
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,440
reason.
He's lucky.

1342
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,440
I'm not, I'm not.
And I know they didn't write the

1343
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:30,160
character this way.
He started out it seems like, as

1344
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,960
a loser.
He always was losing Stephanie

1345
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:39,080
old people money and yeah,
that's that's that's a problem

1346
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:39,880
for me.
OK.

1347
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:44,800
Because I know they're going to,
I know they're going to change

1348
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,720
it and make it different, but
there are things that are going

1349
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:53,760
to happen to him simply because
he's a lucky ass motherfucker.

1350
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,520
You know there are things that
can happen in.

1351
01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:00,040
That we talked.
We talked about that in the

1352
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,520
first season, right?
Yeah, the things that he's going

1353
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:08,440
to do, that happens because of
his luck, being in the right

1354
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:11,240
place at the right time.
Oh, OK, yes, OK.

1355
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,880
I do remember, I do remember a
little bit of his perspective.

1356
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,280
You have to explain.
And The thing is, I was talking

1357
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,640
about this with someone earlier.
If I'm writing a book and I have

1358
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,760
a character at this point that
has to make a decision about

1359
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,480
something, but in order for my
story to progress, I need for

1360
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:30,960
him to make a decision in a
specific way that doesn't match

1361
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,760
anything that he's done
previously.

1362
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,200
Right.
Right.

1363
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,760
And I don't have any set up for
him to make this change.

1364
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,640
Why is he going left?
Because his entire life he's

1365
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,280
always gone right?
Did I give it give you anything

1366
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,440
to make him make you think that
he would go left?

1367
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,840
No.
So Matt, all of a sudden he's

1368
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,520
going to get lucky.
You know, his luck just changed.

1369
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,120
You told us the beginning he was
a Tavarian, but you didn't

1370
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,840
explain what it was.
Didn't make Yeah, yeah, we

1371
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,400
talked about that last season.
Too, and one of the most

1372
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:09,640
appealing things about Matt is
that he's lucky that he gets so

1373
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:13,640
freaking lucky and he's always
has to be right on time and

1374
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,960
right place.
You know the other thing about

1375
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,640
Tavarian?
They could always feel where

1376
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,160
each other were, no matter how
far away they.

1377
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,360
Were I remember you.
I told you and they would know

1378
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,280
that Rand was alive, they just
wouldn't know where he was.

1379
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,920
OK.
Oh, I I can kind of feel him

1380
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:38,600
tugging me too, because that's
what Mike said earlier.

1381
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,480
Aren't people supposed to be
attracted to him or feel his

1382
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:46,640
Tavirian nature draws people to
him that he needs?

1383
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,360
OK, OK, that are supposed to be
with him.

1384
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,560
That are supposed to be doing
things for him.

1385
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:56,120
He they feel his draw, they feel
his pull and the decisions they

1386
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,720
make sometimes like, God damn
it, I'm doing this because of

1387
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,520
fucking Ran.
You know what I mean?

1388
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:09,080
No matter how right, no matter
how hard they try to find it.

1389
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,040
I don't you know, there was a
time when parent couldn't stand

1390
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:13,000
Ran.
But you know what?

1391
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,800
He still did things because he
knew it would it would help Ran.

1392
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:24,120
OK, yeah.
And this first episode I needed

1393
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,400
I I would have liked for them to
just give me some of that

1394
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,800
because otherwise I don't really
know where they're going with

1395
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,880
this story.
I really don't.

1396
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:40,720
And I don't know, I don't think.
And and I try not to watch it as

1397
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,080
a book reader.
And I thought I'd made that

1398
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:47,360
decision last year.
But even as trying to look at it

1399
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:51,520
through the eyes of a non book
reader it it it seems a little

1400
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:53,240
strange.
Some of the things that's

1401
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:57,080
happening don't really don't
really add up and I can't really

1402
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,560
see where it's going.
Yeah.

1403
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,160
Because they spent so much time
doing nothing.

1404
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:05,120
It's almost like, it's almost
like we're on the sacred

1405
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,240
timeline and they're like
everybody is branching out into

1406
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:12,200
different branches and you're
just like, how are they going to

1407
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:14,520
come back together and make the
story make sense when they're

1408
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,720
all doing this?
They're just kind of all over

1409
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,080
the place.
But yeah, OK.

1410
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,880
Oh my God, I'm sitting here.
He's in the background.

1411
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:28,320
I did not know how.
I did not get that this was I

1412
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,440
don't.
Know how he did either because

1413
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:30,920
what we talked about this like
last.

1414
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,280
We and we probably did, but like
I said, this was two years ago,

1415
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:39,440
so I, I, I watched it tonight
and it was just kind of like, he

1416
01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:44,640
looks so familiar.
Anyway, do we have any final

1417
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,320
thoughts on this episode?
So basically we're just like,

1418
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:52,440
OK, so basically we're like,
this episode was slow.

1419
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,960
They had a lot of stuff going
on, but it moves slow and we

1420
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:00,720
need them to pick up the pace
and start giving us some story.

1421
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:07,920
Yeah, so I don't want, I hate
the when people say that all

1422
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,200
black people look alike, but
shout out to Gary Beetle and

1423
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:17,600
Johann Meyers, who plays Patton
Fane and Elias 'cause when I saw

1424
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:20,920
both of them, I'm like, have we
seen them in the same room?

1425
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,760
Because I don't know.
Yeah, I kind of got that.

1426
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,320
I was like, are they brothers?
Are they related?

1427
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,120
I I kind of wondered that as
well.

1428
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,680
Yeah, it's like their pictures
on IMDb is just like, it's like

1429
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,720
the same guy in the light and in
the dark.

1430
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,160
And I'm just like.
And one with long hair and one

1431
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,440
with short hair.
No, they both have short hair in

1432
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:44,280
the in the IMDb pics which is
which is weird too.

1433
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,720
I'm like they look exactly the
same.

1434
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,880
Oh, that's funny.
Why?

1435
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,960
Why can't what?
See we just trying to be free.

1436
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,760
Like damn.
You know what, y'all have been

1437
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:58,440
on the road tonight.
Oh, go ahead, Mike.

1438
01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:04,480
How are you?
I just wanted to shout out to

1439
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,640
the the the guy, what's his
name?

1440
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,080
The 11 guy that was just
aggravated the whole time.

1441
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:12,440
Uno.
Uno.

1442
01:24:12,440 --> 01:24:15,560
Like, I'm like, I'm gonna like
Uno.

1443
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,720
I don't think he's gonna last
long, 'cause he's just, all he

1444
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,640
does is complain.
I'm like, oh, you get ready to

1445
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,720
go.
But I like him 'cause Uno speaks

1446
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,520
his mind.
I I like him.

1447
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,200
Real quick, since we're talking
about Uno, last year, Michelle

1448
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:35,360
and I went to Jordan Khan, which
is the convention for the will

1449
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,440
will of tie.
And we actually got to see Guy

1450
01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:43,840
Roberts who plays, you know, and
he is hilarious.

1451
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,520
OK, he told some wonderful
stories.

1452
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:51,360
He's he's really, really good.
And he was cool watching the

1453
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:56,280
show because I hadn't watched
the show since Jordan Khan.

1454
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:01,760
So now knowing about him and,
and seeing him speak and talk

1455
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,880
about the show and the stuff
behind the scenes, it was really

1456
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:09,720
cool to see Uno and and
remember, remember those

1457
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,360
moments.
But you know, Jordan Khan was.

1458
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,000
Where is Jordan Khan?
Here.

1459
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:18,200
It's here like we're here.
Where was that?

1460
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,360
It's at the Century Marriott,
isn't it?

1461
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,040
Yeah, OK.
The one right there, The Crown

1462
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,520
Plaza.
The Crown Plaza.

1463
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,640
Oh, OK.
Yeah, was it Ashford Dunwiddie?

1464
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,720
Yeah.
Oh, yes, OK.

1465
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:36,360
Yeah.
OK, it was.

1466
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,280
Let's have one of them hotels.
We have so many cons here now in

1467
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,920
Atlanta.
Really.

1468
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:44,400
Here's a plug for the Jordan.
Jordan Con is if you like Will

1469
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:48,360
of Time and Robert Jordan.
It is really, really good

1470
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,640
convention.
It's a nice small convention and

1471
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,480
it's really a lot of people who
are into Will of Time.

1472
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,560
OK, It's really cool.
And a lot of the I forgot what

1473
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,440
they call the guy, the people
that read the books before the

1474
01:26:02,440 --> 01:26:05,080
books come out.
There are a lot of them there.

1475
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,480
They have their little, they
have their little get together

1476
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:09,520
there.
OK.

1477
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,480
So it was.
OK.

1478
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,800
Yeah.
And I'm trying to, I'm trying to

1479
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:18,800
pull it up to see when Jordan
Khan is this year.

1480
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,520
'Cause I think we already
reserved rooms, 'cause we're

1481
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,240
going again.
Oh, OK.

1482
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:30,720
April, April 25th and 27th
through 27th.

1483
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,280
OK, OK.
Oh cool.

1484
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,440
So for those of you listening,
yeah, Jordan Khan is going to be

1485
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:42,720
April 25th through the 27th.
OK, here in Atlanta, OK.

1486
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,600
Here in Atlanta at the Crowne
Plaza, Raviola or whatever,

1487
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:54,600
however you say it, OK?
Mike, you had something to say.

1488
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,880
Right shout out to Ivan and
Maxim who are the 2 waters that

1489
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,520
were fighting with the.
Yes, that's their names.

1490
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,000
Like they were funny.
Is it just like, yeah, I fell in

1491
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,280
love with the warders.
Like yeah, I fell in love with

1492
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:10,240
And I said I he's like I always.
Made me feel like a third wheel.

1493
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,320
Third wheel.
I don't know.

1494
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,240
You didn't look like no third
wheel in that bedroom when it

1495
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:16,640
was in there.
I.

1496
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:23,000
Don't know.
A lot of a lot of scenes seem to

1497
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,640
be in in firm control of that.
Very much so, yeah.

1498
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:32,480
I, you know what I see?
I was trying to avoid doing

1499
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:36,640
that, and you just did it.
We're just on the road tonight.

1500
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,360
Yeah.
Look, I think it's past all our

1501
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:41,560
bad times.
That's why it.

1502
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,960
Really is, but this next episode
needs to speed up.

1503
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,920
Like for real.
Like yeah, peripheral.

1504
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,200
Hopefully it will so.
I'll need, I'll need, I'll need

1505
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,280
to watch this like four times,
like to watch it in four

1506
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,080
sections.
It's like this is not a football

1507
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:56,720
game.
I need to watch it at 1, sitting

1508
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,240
nine, four quarters.
Yeah, yeah.

1509
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:05,760
So, OK, well, on that note, that
is it for our show.

1510
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,080
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1511
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,960
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1512
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:14,160
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1513
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,040
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1514
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:19,000
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1515
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,520
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1516
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,320
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