The Wheel of Time S2E3 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #341

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and Mike and we are
discussing season 2, Episode 3

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of the Wheel of Time series.
And all I'm going to say is the

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the annoyance and the disdain I
have had for I need the past two

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episodes because she was angry
and getting on my nerves.

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All is forgiven.
All is forgiven because Oh my

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God, why would y'all put that
girl through what y'all put her

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through in this episode?
Why would you put me through

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what you put me through in this
episode?

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Real quick, did anybody actually
think that she was not coming

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back through that arch after the
third trial when she saw him?

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What's his?
Name when she when she fell into

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his arms and melted into him.
Yeah, and she saw the door for a

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second and it paid that.
I was like.

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Yeah, because I was like, she
didn't see it as clearly then.

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And at first, I was kind of.
Like clearly either.

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Yeah, yeah.
But I, I wondered about that

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because I was like, OK, so is it
just that whatever this arch is,

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whatever her fear is that she
has to face in this arch, is it

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like, is it dampening her senses
so she can't hear it?

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Like it's, it's really luring
her in and pulling her in, or

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was she willingly ignoring it?
And I don't think it was after I

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watched it the second time, I
was like, yeah, I really think

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she had gotten to the point
where she saw Land.

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And, you know, she's outside.
She has said the body, Gwen.

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I really think she thought that
that was what her path was.

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So why would she think that
she's hearing something or maybe

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see something if she thinks
she's already out, You know?

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And I was just sitting there,
like, OK, so she's going to be

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with Land.
And at some point, she's going

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to realize this is, you know,
this is not real.

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And then when we see her later
on in episode, years have gone

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by, They have a child.
They have a child that's

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walking, talking, running
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And I was just like, oh.
She's like, everybody's happy

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and seemingly healthy mentally
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Like Matt's actually mentally
fine.

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I'm like, that's your first
clue.

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I'm like.
No, no, Her first clue.

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Her first clue was when she
asked Lynn about the bond and he

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didn't answer.
Yeah.

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He didn't say a word.
He didn't say it was masked, he

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didn't say it was broken.
He just gave her a look.

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Yeah, he didn't even say Maureen
is dead.

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He just said that should be.
And like, this man is the king

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of Malachir.
He was going to drop everything

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and come with you.
He has sworn to slaughter every

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single trolley in the world.
And he just going to be like,

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yeah, I'm just going to come be
a Baker.

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Really.
Yeah.

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Making making making rid of
those.

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Things Honey cakes.
Honey cakes.

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Yeah, with his long trees, he's.
Making pastries with his long

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flowing hair and.
He Yeah, I.

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Ain't gonna have have long ass
land hairs in my damn honey

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cakes.
Like what the hell?

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Pin that shit up that shit.
Where's where's where's OSHA

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when you fucking need them?
I need I.

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I need right, But she said she.
I know it probably was because

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that's what she in her heart,
that's what she wants.

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So they were you.
So The Archers was giving it to

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her.
Yeah.

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And then not only that, it's
like the first two trials that

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she went through in the 1st 2
arches, you know, Mike's version

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of the the Christmas Carol.
You know, she she had heartbreak

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in the first one because she had
to relive the attack on her

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parents and her parents being
killed.

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And then in the second one, she
had to not even relive, but it's

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kind of like she's being
reminded of what she's missing

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at home and what she's not there
to be able to help do.

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Because apparently, and I don't
know if this is actual fact or

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not, because we don't know, but
apparently a fever tore through

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the Two Rivers after they left
and everybody got sick,

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including Rand's dad.
And she's sitting there looking

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like I can help heal this, the
acid, I can fix this.

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And Matt's mom, who is acting as
wisdom in her place, she was

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like, we wrote to the acid I
months ago and they haven't

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responded.
Now, granted, I realized that

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may not be what's actually
happening in the Two Rivers, but

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that's where her mind is taking
her because she was like, this

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is where I'm supposed to be.
I'm supposed to be.

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I'm supposed to be there helping
her.

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But I was like, yeah, it can't
be with because at first, when I

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first watched this episode, I
thought that maybe she had been

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transported to the Two Rivers to
kind of go through whatever it

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is.
And then I was like, no, because

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none of them would be blaming
her for leaving.

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Because the last thing anybody
knew, she got drugged off by a

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trolley.
And it's supposed to be dead,

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right?
Didn't.

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Didn't didn't Rand's dad get
killed too?

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No, no, he didn't get killed.
He got, he got injured.

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He's injured.
But they were able, you know.

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Yeah, he was still alive when
they all left the Two Rivers I.

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Remember him fighting the
trolley in his in their in their

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little house but I couldn't
remember if he got it.

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For some reason I thought he got
killed.

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But no, he he got seriously
injured, but Ran brought him

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down to the village.
So I think naive, well, not

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naive, but Dwayne's mother was
hoping to take care of him when,

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when they left the Two Rivers.
But yeah, so I, I think for her,

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she had pain in the first one,
she had pain in the second one.

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And I think by the time she got
through the third one, and I

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think it was, no, it was also
the second one.

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I think because she was having,
I don't know what it was because

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I, it was flashing so quickly.
I know that there was a vision

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of her as a red Asha.
I do know that.

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I do know that LAN was in there,
and when she came out, she was

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covered in blood.
She had a dag.

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I think she had a dagger in one
hand and she had some of LAN.

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I think Lan's braids or Lan's
hair in a nap.

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She had his, his, I forgot what
it's called, but his thing that

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is around his head, that
represents who he is.

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And I think when she came out of
that and she was trying to

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figure out what happened, she
was like, why don't I remember?

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Why don't I remember?
I think that fear for her was

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that she would become like
Leandrin.

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She would hate men, and then she
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And that was the fear because
that's not what she wants.

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And I was like, when she got to
see him in the third one and he

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was alive and he was healthy and
he was still there for her.

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And he was like willing to go
back to the Two rivers and and

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live with her.
I think at that point she just

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clocked out.
She was like, OK, I don't give a

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fuck if this is real or fake.
I've had enough of pain.

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And then if you, I mean, think
about it, she's dealing with the

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pain in the arches.
And then she also had to deal

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with pain in the real world
because Rand is gone, Parent is

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gone, Matt is gone as as far as
she knows that Gwen has this New

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Girl that she's, you know,
becoming chummy with.

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And, you know, talking about how
naive is making things difficult

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for her, even though she what
she heard was heard out of

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context.
But still, I think she just got

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to a point where she was like,
you know what, I'm done.

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I'm just I'm gonna go live my
life and make cute mixed babies

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and and make honey cakes and
have my friends and and be good.

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So it's so was this all one
trial?

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They're three separate trials.
Each arch is a trial.

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Yeah, but they almost seem like
they're together, like they all

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like, ran as one trial.
Like in the show, it made it

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seem like she goes in, comes
back up, then she goes in, comes

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back out.
But when I finally realized at

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the end that she was stuck in
there when she saw land, I was

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like, wait a minute.
It kind of seemed like it's like

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she went in once, went through
three trials and then came out

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at when it was supposed to go
and go through, go through the

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trials and then come out when
she was done.

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You see, I'm saying.
Yes.

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So I I think what happened with
that third trial, like I said,

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she she went in, she saw the
vision of herself as the red

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Asha killed land.
She thought she came out and I

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think that was part of the IT
it, it was kind of, it's kind of

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like I'm trying to think, have
you seen Divergent?

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No.
OK, so that that analogy would

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be lost on you, but I I think
it's it's kind of like.

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OK, why?
Why are you thinking?

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Why are?
You thinking Inception?

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It's kind of like Inception.
Yeah, that's.

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What I was getting to, yeah, I
was definitely getting an

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Inception vibe too.
Like, yeah, it's kind of like

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you think you think you're done,
you think you've conquered

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whatever the fear is or
whatever.

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But the true fear is.
And I don't know, maybe for her

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the fear was being able to live
a happy life because I think she

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may want that.
But at the same time, I think

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there's a part of her that is
curious as to what she can

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achieve as a channeler, maybe
not as an isodide, because I

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think the isodide have too many
rules for her and they're too

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stringent.
And I don't I, I really just

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don't think that would be a good
fit for her.

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But I think maybe that was the
fear for her.

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Like, OK, let me throw off this
responsibility to, you know, the

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eyes to die to my other friends.
I'm going to go live my life and

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I'm just going to be happy.
And I'm not going to think about

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anybody else.
So the these tangrial, the

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arches, to be to be honest, they
are they kind of mention it, but

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they really don't know what the
purpose of them are.

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Because when the world broke,
everything was kind of lost and

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a lot of the knowledge was
forgotten.

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So a lot of the things they've
learned through trial and error,

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this is talked about.
They've lost a lot of sisters

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since they're bringing
themselves out trying to figure

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this stuff out.
Yeah.

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So the arches, we're not sure if
you're seeing what's actually

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happened or actually happening.
It could be alternate reality

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that you're being shown.
Another turning of the wheel or

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something?
Another turning of the wheel

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right that you're you're
stepping into the stepping into

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the place where you were or a
version of you was right and

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experiencing that.
But I think for her, because the

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arches do kind of reach into you
to show you things, it seems

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that it was showing her her past
when she needs to let go.

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Like she's holding on to the the
guilt that she has about her

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parents or, or having lost them
the way that she did or not

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being able to protect them, you
know, not being strong enough to

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do anything to help them.
Or them dying because they were

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protecting her.
Protecting her.

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She needs to let go of that in
the prison.

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She needs to stop worrying about
what's happening in her land

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because she has more important
things to do.

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She needs to let go of that
because the bigger problem, the

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bigger issue is something that's
going to affect everyone.

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She needs to be more concerned
about that.

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And that is concerned about a
plague going on in her village

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because she's she, she's bigger
than that.

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And then the future.
Stop trying to think about what

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your future is.
She needs to let that go as

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well.
She has, she wants to have a

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future land.
Stop worrying about that.

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You have things that you need to
concentrate on now or else the

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beginning of the vision shows
you you won't have one.

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Because I don't think really, I
kind of disagree with you.

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That was a vision of her killing
land.

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She may have been that we died
or been a part of whatever was

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happening, whatever fight was
going on.

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But the point is, if you don't
focus on what you need to do,

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this bigger thing you're part
of, then the future doesn't

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matter anyway because you're not
going to get what you want,

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right?
So I think all of these are

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really about her.
And I think a lot of the Azadite

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who go through these or the the
novices who go through, if they

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can't let go of those things,
then they can't make an effect

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of Azadite because the work they
do is for everyone, you know,

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not for yourself.
So it's almost like, it's almost

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like the the arch is kind of
mercy killing them because if

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they went came back and they
still held on to these things

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that it would be an impediment
that could kill them anyway.

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It could lead to their death.
It could it could stunt their

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growth, their power.
I mean, who knows what they

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could burn themselves out.
You know, they they won't be

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used.
They won't be of use to the ice

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dot, right?
Yeah, because if you notice how

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they all operate, especially
when rain, it's really not about

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them.
It's about trying to get

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everything prepared for what's
coming.

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As much as as much as the Reds
are terrible, the Reds do have

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the same philosophy.
We need to prepare for time and

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guidance.
We need to cage the dragon and

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use him as a weapon.
As simple as that.

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And men are distraction.
Yes, men get in the way of that

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ultimate goal.
Yeah.

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Boys is basically the grown, the
grown up version of Boys are

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stupid.
Throw rocks at him.

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Yeah, yeah.
But it's it's like I get all

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that and it's like because I'm
looking at that scene now where

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the door comes when she's with
land, it says the door will open

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but once and she's talking to
Elaine, she's not even looking

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back at the door till it till it
goes away 'cause.

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She can't barely, she can't
really hear it.

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And she says she was like, I
thought I heard something.

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Yeah, it's not like the in the
other two.

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It was very clear to her, like
she heard it the first time she

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heard the door appearing.
And because Lamb was in front of

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her, she just.
Ignore it.

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And she even says, I don't know
this, this feels like a dream.

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Or for a second they feel like a
dream.

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Yeah, woman.
Yeah, I think if she had turned

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around and seen that door, she
would have realized that.

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And I think maybe unconsciously,
she was like, Nope, not turning

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around her.
What?

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No, that was just the whisper on
the wind.

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I'm not, I'm, I'm focused right
here.

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Which, you know, I know that
that's not where she needs to be

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right now, but I was just like,
just let her have happiness for

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just a second.
She did, she did.

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She had it for a second.
One second she.

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Didn't I know I mean and she and
it was when she walked up to the

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house and the little girl came I
was like oh this is going to be

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even more painful then it would
have been if she had just left

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land outside of Tarva line.
And when, when the Trollix came

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through and you know, you
literally see her having to

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repeat with her daughter what
her, what her parents had to do

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with her, you know, put the baby
in the cellar.

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Don't come out and let you know,
don't come out no matter what

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you hear.
And then she goes outside.

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Matt is dead parent is dead
Land.

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She, I mean, she literally
watches land get killed in front

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of her.
And then the little girl comes

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out and then the door shows up
and she's got to make this

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decision to go through the door
'cause that's what she realized.

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OK, this is not real.
She's like, Nope, I'm not

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leaving my child behind.
Especially when Trollix are

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coming.
It's like, I don't care if

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that's an imaginary daughter, if
it's a fake daughter, what, how?

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However you want to term it, I'm
not leaving my child behind for

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the Trollix because she doesn't
know what's going to happen to

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that world when she goes through
those doors.

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So she was like, no, I'm taking
my child with me.

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When she went through that arch
and she came out the other side

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and the child was gone.
I remember the first time I

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watched this episode, I lost it.
And then watching it today, it

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just hit me again, 'cause I was
like, you know, even though

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she's only been gone literally a
few hours in real time, she's

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lived years in this, this other
world of hers.

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So that life was real to her.
That child was real to her.

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And for you to come through this
arch and that girl is gone like

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she never existed.
And you know, in that moment

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that for everybody else, she
didn't exist.

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I just felt so bad for her.
And I was just like, man, we

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thought she was upset before.
Yeah, I can't even imagine how

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she's going to be now, because
she's had a taste of that life.

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She's had a taste of that
reality.

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She's not going to want to stay
in Tarvilan now.

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She's not going to want to stay
in the Tower.

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No, she don't.
She going to do the same thing

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she did at the beginning of that
third trial when she came back

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through after she thought she
killed somebody.

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She'll be like, fuck the ass and
die.

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Fuck the White Tower, fuck the
ambulance.

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See, I'm going back to the Two
Rivers.

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I don't want anything to do with
this because she she literally

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is going to have to have time to
mourn now.

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Well, you I I will give writers
credit for this because this is

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moving her closer towards how
she is in the book.

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Oh, OK.
So everything you said.

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OK, yeah, but I mean I.
That that attitude that she has

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because she carries that
attitude to her all the way

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through the book.
Yeah, but at least with this

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episode, you kind of get to see
I guess the root, the foundation

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of it because really she does
not want to be there.

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She has never wanted to be
there.

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She has never wanted to be an
ice to die, you know, didn't

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even know she could channel.
Then once she knew she could

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channel, she was like, I still
don't want this.

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She wants, I think for Naive,
she wants a simple life.

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She wants to be able to go back
to being a wisdom, she wants to

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go back to her village, she
wants to be able to heal people.

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She wants to be able to just
hang with her friends, have a

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life.
I don't think she cares about

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the politics and all this other
stuff that the Isodai are so

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firmly rooted in.
And I can understand that if if

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you all you want is a simple
life and you're being dragged

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into all of this other stuff and
being told you have a higher

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purpose, you're the most
powerful channeler in 1000

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years.
That automatically means we

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expect good things for you.
And she's like, I don't want any

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of this.
Yeah, but the wheel, the wheel

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weaves as the wheel.
Wheels.

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And no matter what she wants,
there is a bigger purpose for

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her.
And that's what the arts was

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trying to show her.
You are bigger than the two

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rivers.
You're more important than that

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place.
And that's that's what the Wheel

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is trying to show her.
I know.

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And, and it's unfortunate, but,
but The thing is sometimes,

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sometimes if you go along with
the program, if you go along

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with the program, you will be
rewarded.

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Yeah, that's how it works in
fantasy novels.

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People who fight their fate and
fight destiny, they have the

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problems.
Yeah.

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But as soon as they realize, you
know what, let me just go along

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with it.
As soon as they do that, they

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start getting rewards.
Yeah.

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But of course, we can see, we
can see that being on the

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outside looking in, it's.
Hard when your child disappears,

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when you walk the guards.
Yeah, that moment, you know,

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that that that was tough.
And it was also tough when when,

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oh, I forget that Blues name.
And she was telling E Gwaine

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that, oh, she's dead.
And then?

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Oh, is it?
Sis.

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What is her name or Sharon?
Sherene, Sherene.

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Sherene Sharium.
Sharium.

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I think that's it.
Sharium and Elaine is like, Oh

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yeah, she did.
Well, I think they had a little

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more tax.
But they But The thing is, they

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don't.
They don't know.

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Because but they really don't
know what happens.

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All those eyes to die.
They didn't die, they just

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stayed like it.
Were, and they don't know that

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because most, I mean, it's not
like they come back and say, Oh

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yeah, by the way, this is what
happened.

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This is why, like you really
don't know.

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So if if you send girls in there
and they never come back, never

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come back, what other conclusion
do you have except to say, OK,

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she's she's dead.
Because if you, if you say

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anything that's halfway, oh, she
could be lost, she might be

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stuck because then you're going
to have people doing exactly

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what Gwen tried to do, which was
try to try to get her out.

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And I mean, we saw the physical
toll that it took for the three

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of them, Sharium, Leandrian and
Leanne to open the arches.

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That was 3/3 trained.
I said I yeah, I don't.

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Know how weak they really are?
But that's what I'm saying it

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took three of them.
I mean, granted, we don't know

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this true extent will be Gwen's
power, but she's still a baby,

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relatively speaking.
You know, she's only had these

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the she's only been able to
channel for a few months, half a

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year.
So to think that you're going to

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be strong enough to be able to
open these arches when so many

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generations of ICID I before you
and like you, don't think that

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if they could open the arches
and bring their sisters back

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that they wouldn't.
Yeah, and Elaine told her

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hundreds of sisters have tried
to bring friends and lovers back

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in in Phil.
Yeah, yeah, because.

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They're not coming back.
If they don't come back on their

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own, they don't come back.
Yeah, and you know, I'm going to

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take back what I said in the
last episode.

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Elaine is, I don't want to
necessarily say she's growing on

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me, but I think she is a good
balance for E Gwen and even for

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naive, if you know, if she and I
need would have met because she

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says the things that they need
to hear in the way that they

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need to hear it, because she's
not as cold as the sisters are.

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She's not as blunt to the point,
like she still has enough of who

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she is just as a person to be
able to say, OK, let me try to

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be a little gentle about this,
but let me speak facts.

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Let me not sugarcoat this, you
know, yeah, she's gone.

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You can't bring her back.
But at least she did say, OK, if

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you want to stay here overnight,
we can stay here.

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We can wait.
At least she did say that.

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And you know, that's a testament
to a Gwen cause Gwen was like,

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that's the strongest person I
know.

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Ain't no way she getting stuck
in there at.

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Least she.
She Wayne knows her friend.

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She.
Knows her friend.

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Oh, you can't.
You can't channel in the arches.

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Yeah, all righty, Yeah.
Because because she definitely,

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and that was the other thing I
was going to ask.

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So I know we were talking about
whether or not she could hear,

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hear the voice and see the arch,
see the doorway.

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When she first saw Land, I was
kind of thinking, OK, yeah, the

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door was actually there.
But because she was probably

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already pulled, she was already
on this path of leaving

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Tarvilan, leaving the Izodi,
everything.

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That's why it showed up so
faintly.

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But my question is, towards the
end of that part, when Land dies

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and she does channel, is she the
one that actually opens the

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door?
I believe so.

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OK, because I was going to say,
ah, so somebody needs to tell

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Sherry him to die.
The door will open more than

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once, but you have to be the
one.

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Right.
But yeah, so they assume you

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can't channel you.
If you're powerful enough, you

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might be able to channel, right?
But you're right, you have to

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want to leave.
Yeah, and maybe you can channel

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enough to open the door.
Yeah.

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Not necessarily to do anything
else like heal people or.

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Yeah, whatever, 'cause she tried
to heal Tam and it didn't come.

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But again, her most powerful
display of her powers where Land

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is dies or or is near death.
And also even with land dead,

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she still has someone else to
protect.

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And I think that was even
powerful enough to her for her

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to be like, Nope, yeah, let me
get out of here.

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And.
You think about how powerful her

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00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:47,520
and Iguena are because, you
know, you talked about the three

445
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,120
of them, Sam, Leanne and.
Leanne, Andrew.

446
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:58,040
They were getting tired, right?
Even just from the from the very

447
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,600
beginning, like just trying to
conjure.

448
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,080
Right now, how many times do you
think Yguane was trying to

449
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,680
activate the artist?
Oh.

450
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,360
And does she look tired?
No.

451
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,640
No, she didn't.
She looked pissed off.

452
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,600
She was upset.
She was pissed off.

453
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,640
Like goddamnit, I'm gonna open
this door.

454
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Right.
So in theory she should have

455
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,360
been exhausted just based on
what we saw earlier.

456
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:29,160
Yeah, especially after the first
or second time, right.

457
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:35,200
I think from the time, yeah, I
think she did it what, 3-4

458
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,080
times?
So yeah.

459
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,960
And Elaine was like, yeah, this
is not going to work.

460
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,960
You keep trying.
It's not going to work.

461
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,160
Yeah.
Yeah.

462
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,840
And then you have Naive on the
inside.

463
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,080
She's channeling and she opens
it because she's powerful

464
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,480
enough.
So they, they just, and then

465
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,960
they could have been sisters,
that child in there and they

466
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,800
just never came back out, you
know what I mean?

467
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,920
Like they don't really know.
Yeah.

468
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,840
And that's why they immediately
tell her no, no, no, don't talk

469
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,840
about what you saw.
You know, it made me think of

470
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,600
Morpheus in the Matrix.
Oh, yeah.

471
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:12,880
Yeah.
When?

472
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,960
When When it was on the morning.
Yeah.

473
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,800
Well, see, it was only for you
and.

474
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,840
That's what Leanne said.
She said, what did she say?

475
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,000
You, you can share whatever you
want or how how little you want

476
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,400
or how much you want.
Like that's your journey.

477
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,600
And I think Sharium even said
something about when she came

478
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,120
back out and she was like, but
but I can save them.

479
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,560
She was like, that's your
burden.

480
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,680
That's not ours.
You know, don't put that burden

481
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,040
on us because that that's you.
That's what's important to you.

482
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,920
The acid.
I was like, OK, we understand,

483
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,040
but then I got nothing to do
with us, which is cruel.

484
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,720
But at the same time, like you
said, they have bigger fish to

485
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:04,000
fry, you know, and, and as cold
as we think the iced diet are,

486
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,600
and you know, I know people
don't like them because of the

487
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,680
way that they come across and
the way that they are.

488
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:17,400
But on the other hand, that kind
of focus to your mission, it's

489
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,640
kind of commendable because that
means that when all the chips

490
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,520
are down, you're still going to
be focused on doing what you're

491
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,600
supposed to do to say, I mean,
and really what you're trying to

492
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,480
do is you're trying to save
humanity.

493
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,200
So that's that's got to take
precedence over over everything

494
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,520
else.
Term and guidance is coming

495
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,200
whether they want it or not.
OK, what is that term?

496
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,800
Oh, the last battle.
Oh, OK.

497
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,720
With the dark button but the the
the final battle where the

498
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,760
dragon will face the dark.
Dark.

499
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,040
OK.
Is coming whether they want it

500
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,520
to or not.
And ultimately all the Azadiah

501
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,800
noticed and they all know that
they have to prepare.

502
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,360
So they have.
That's why they're trying to

503
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,080
control every nation.
They're trying to make sure

504
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,160
everything is in order.
They want to make sure they have

505
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,640
control over all the armies.
If they control all the kings

506
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:23,400
and Queens, you know they they
can manage the whole situation.

507
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,920
Find the dragon, capture the
dragon, use a dragon as a weapon

508
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,360
that gets the dark one.
That is their whole plan.

509
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,920
You know they all have different
versions, but it's all the same

510
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,240
plan.
And they all have different ways

511
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:48,560
of trying to make that happen.
But OK, when I need, I just, oh,

512
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,320
this episode hurt my heart
because I was like, y'all know,

513
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,040
I y'all know, I shipped not even
land.

514
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,560
And I was like, OK, it's, it's
not really real, but I'll take

515
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,240
it for right now because I know
that other than that, we're not

516
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,120
getting anything.
But Oh my God, did y'all really

517
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,560
have to like stick the knife in
and twist it and then twist it

518
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,480
some more and then yank it out
and stick it back in?

519
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Yeah, that was that was harsh.
To me, it was.

520
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,360
To me, it was still kind of, it
was kind of obvious to me.

521
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,760
It was like when I when I saw
them together and the door

522
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,080
disappear, I was like, there's
no, there's no shot.

523
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,720
I was like, there's no shot.
She's not coming back.

524
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,840
So I just, I, I didn't really
give in to feeling for her.

525
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,280
I was just like, go have fun,
I'll see you later 'cause

526
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,600
there's no way that they're
letting her stay in there for

527
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,760
any extended period of time
because.

528
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,040
Yeah.
Absolutely.

529
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,240
Absolutely.
I mean, yeah, I expected her to

530
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,760
come out too, but still, it's
just the fact that it was

531
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,120
heartbreaking experience, didn't
they?

532
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,480
Yeah, it was heartbreaking.
I mean, I feel I feel for, I

533
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,360
mean, just, I mean all the I'm
I'm surprised they didn't like

534
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,560
have her come through with like
a arm full of dust and just.

535
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,200
No, we are not in gay, I mean we
are not Infinity War in this

536
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,160
game, you know, like 'cause if
they had I would have turned my

537
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,720
TV off.
I would be like fuck y'all, fuck

538
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,600
you.
No, and I was just left it alone

539
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,480
but.
So next we were in Antoine's

540
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,600
mill with the captured
Shannarans and Perrin and loyal.

541
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,520
Then I'll never, I'll never look
at a rhinoceros for the same

542
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,640
again.
Man, let me tell you, I was

543
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,680
like, first of all, I was like
Uno, if you don't shut your

544
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,800
mouth, I know.
I was like, I just said bye,

545
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,920
Uno.
I was like, I knew it.

546
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:42,880
I do it from start.
I was.

547
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:48,600
I'm surprised you go too.
But still, it's one thing I

548
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,040
learned about this show is like
the side characters or whatever,

549
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,400
don't like any of them.
Just don't.

550
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,920
Just don't.
Because Uno was one of the cool

551
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,080
ones.
Now we still got Dominico and we

552
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,280
like, I'm not going to remember
his name.

553
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,800
He's Dominico.
He's gone always.

554
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,080
And we got the other dude and
they're OK for now.

555
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,520
But I was like, soon as Uno was
like, yeah, I still got a

556
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,200
weapon.
I'm like, dude, there are

557
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,480
soldiers right in front of you.
There's the black chick to your

558
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,160
right who is looking at you
like, yeah, dude, try it.

559
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,160
I was like, dude, if you don't
stop.

560
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:36,680
But I was not expecting the
rhinoceros horn like I thought

561
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,080
because he has 2.
He has two soldiers on on the

562
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,440
side of him.
While he's being defiant.

563
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,240
I'm thinking somebody's about to
stab him.

564
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,280
Somebody's about to chop his
head off.

565
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,520
I'm thinking his head is about
to roll to the foot of the

566
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,040
steps.
When they pushed his face

567
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,040
forward I was like, I didn't
even, I didn't even realize the

568
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,680
rhinoceros horn was there until
he face planted in it.

569
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,360
My my thing is when he showed
Massima the knife, it seems like

570
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,960
dude no.
Like, what are you going to do?

571
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,639
You are surrounded.
You say we're outnumbered.

572
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,040
We can't do nothing.
He's like, you have something.

573
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,800
What you going to do with that
one now, right?

574
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,600
Oh yeah, you are bad ass but.
You ain't that bad ass.

575
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,080
And, you know, and one of those
soldiers must have peeped it out

576
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,719
because that's that was like,
yeah, this one.

577
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,560
Yeah, yeah, she was.
She was like, motherfucker, what

578
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,480
you doing?
But look at them too like.

579
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,360
I said, yeah, so she about she
about to either challenge him,

580
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,080
she about to tell on him, she
about to punch him something.

581
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,760
But like I said, I didn't even
realize the rhinoceros horn was

582
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,280
there until they pushed him
forward.

583
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,679
I was like, what?
I had to pause my TV, Like wait,

584
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,239
what the fuck did?
Where did that come from?

585
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,000
And of course, I'm pausing the
TV.

586
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,040
On his head, he stepped on me
and put it.

587
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,320
I was like, Aww, that's brutal.
Yeah, pushing him down wasn't

588
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,680
enough.
Yeah, it.

589
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,360
Wasn't.
Enough.

590
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,840
I was like.
Back from that, did you think he

591
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,520
was going to stand up and be
like, OK, I give up?

592
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,560
No.
They were like, no, we we need

593
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,720
to illustrate to you just how
far we're willing to go to get

594
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,960
you to bend the knee.
Because notice when they were

595
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,720
like any questions, everybody
dropped to their knees except

596
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:30,760
for parents.
And I was just like, I was like,

597
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,720
parent, don't do it.
You, you saw what just happened

598
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:34,760
to Uno.
Don't do it.

599
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,720
Domenico was like Pierce, sit
your ass down, sit your ass

600
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:47,760
doom.
I was just but OK, so the Sean

601
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,800
Chan, when they're talking to
the people, when the the person,

602
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,360
I don't know the mouthpiece or
whatever when she's telling.

603
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,440
The people.
About history.

604
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:02,400
Side note, that is guy, the guy
who plays Zoom.

605
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,400
That's his wife.
Which one?

606
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,200
Oh yes, I remember you
mentioning that.

607
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,520
I remember you mentioning.
It who's his wife in your life?

608
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,440
The guy who plays Uno?
That's his wife.

609
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,360
Which one's his wife?
The the Sean Chan mouthpiece,

610
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,800
the one who was telling them
about the history.

611
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,280
And this you you guys are living
on stolen land.

612
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,400
This land belonged to us.
And when we were chased away,

613
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,360
yeah, we made a promise that we
were going to come back.

614
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,480
I'm like y'all had to come back
right then.

615
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,120
Like right now.
It's time.

616
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,680
The final battle is coming.
It's time.

617
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,600
I know, I know.
Right.

618
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,680
Obey.
Await.

619
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,680
Yeah, whatever.
And Sir, Yeah, Sir.

620
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,920
Yeah.
OK.

621
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,520
So I guess this is the question
I do have.

622
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:57,600
So the what did you say?
The the channelers are called Da

623
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:04,680
da Damani, Damani, Damani.
OK, so they had one of them

624
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,320
going through the crowd and like
picking out girls.

625
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,040
Was she picking out the ones
that she sensed could channel?

626
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,800
Yes.
OK, OK.

627
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,280
That's what I was wondering
because I remember about women

628
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:23,200
can see other women's.
Yeah, they can sense and see

629
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,800
other women's weaves and how
they can the men can see each

630
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,520
other's, as we find out later on
with low gain and and ran.

631
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,120
But yeah, I was like, 'cause she
was just walking through and

632
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,320
just pointing.
I was like, oh, she's pointing

633
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,560
out the women who can channel
Now.

634
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,400
Do those women know that they
can channel?

635
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,160
Sometimes they don't, OK, It's
how a lot of them, they call

636
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,280
them wildlings.
They will burn themselves out

637
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,640
because they don't know what
they're doing.

638
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,880
It kind of kind of like the
obscure from here.

639
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Oh, from Fantastic Beasts.
Yeah.

640
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,000
OK.
OK, OK.

641
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,760
Very, very similar to that.
Yeah.

642
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,520
But you know, a lot of
sometimes, like I said, I don't

643
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,360
really talk about this, but a
lot of their conflicts and when

644
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,840
if you know that the person
you're arguing with, you can

645
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,080
tell is stronger than you.
So that's how they kind of keep

646
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:29,600
each other in check.
OK, that's that's smart, but

647
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,040
it's also what?
OK, but it's.

648
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Odd for that.
That's why they're there, I

649
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,440
guess you call it the political
structure is the way it is

650
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,520
because if you are, if you are
politically enough and

651
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,480
influential enough, you can
become the Armaline seat and

652
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,800
that be their powerful.
But because you are the Armaline

653
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,880
seat, you can get to Boston
around.

654
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,560
Yeah, OK, I get it.
But yeah, so that's what she was

655
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,680
doing.
She was, she was picking out the

656
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,200
ones who get channeled because
they're going to collar them and

657
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:13,280
make them the money.
Yeah, I have something to say

658
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,600
about that, but that'll come in
later episode.

659
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:23,480
So let's talk about Karen.
Wait, but she didn't ask

660
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,520
questions about what she was
talking about the history and

661
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,240
them coming back and this land
belongs to them and all that

662
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,400
stuff.
Because I promise you they're

663
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,000
they're not going to talk about
in the show.

664
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,480
Oh yeah, maybe, you know, maybe
a little bit.

665
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,600
In depth.
In depth with her whole Ebony

666
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,920
Moss speech.
Right.

667
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:45,400
Oh my God, I'm looking at this
rhinoceros horn.

668
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,280
Let me just let me fast.
Forward.

669
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,680
Well, I mean, I guess I don't
really have so much a question

670
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,040
as just an observation.
I was like.

671
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,520
Like why are they here?
Why?

672
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:08,240
Why are they here?
Yes, because I guess if you look

673
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:12,000
at the town or the the village
when they came in, it's very

674
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,800
unassuming.
It's just, you know, regular

675
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,800
people just living their little
life fishing with stinky, you

676
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,400
know, stinky fish and just
whatever.

677
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,960
And then all of a sudden this
group of people come over on

678
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,720
boats.
So we know there's a lot of them

679
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,000
because we remember this from
the finale of the last season.

680
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,760
There's a lot of them.
Like, I guess my question is,

681
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,640
who did you think you were
coming to conquer?

682
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,720
Like you saw how very quickly
you were able to take this town.

683
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,800
But I guess listening to her
speech, that's not the, they're

684
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,760
not, she's not talking about
just the town.

685
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,280
She's talking about that
country.

686
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,440
Is she talking about all of?
It yeah, because she was talking

687
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,160
about she mentioned farm and
farm is another is a city that

688
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,520
was mentioned in another part of
the episode by I think Celine.

689
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,960
So I'm like, OK, so they
literally mean we're about to

690
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,520
come and take everything from
you guys.

691
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,000
So I guess I was kind of looking
at it like were y'all really

692
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,280
there 1st and and were chased
away or are y'all just saying

693
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,040
y'all were there first so y'all
can come across?

694
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,360
They're coming there to reclaim
what was once there.

695
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,400
Reclaim.
OK.

696
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,520
So does Luther Pendragon,
Arthur's son, say.

697
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,080
That again, what?
Is Luther Pendragon Arthur

698
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:43,160
Pendragon's son?
Oh, that is his his name.

699
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,200
What is it, Lewin?
Field.

700
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,080
Lewis, Baron Telamon.
OK.

701
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,840
There you.
Go there you.

702
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,520
Go Baron Telamon.
He does have complicated names

703
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,800
in the series, I will say that.
In in the ancient, not in

704
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,280
ancient, but in the age of
Legends, if you had three names

705
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:12,920
as an ice die was a status,
that's how powerful you if you

706
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,680
had three things.
So Luce Theron Teleman was very

707
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,440
powerful.
OK, OK.

708
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,040
I I do have a question to ask
about him, but we'll get to that

709
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,560
when we're talking about Ran,
but.

710
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:32,040
Archer Archer Pendrag was was.
He was also really strong,

711
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,120
powerful to Veran.
He wasn't a channeler, but he

712
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,880
was a powerful to Veran.
He literally conquered the

713
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,000
majority of the current world
we're in.

714
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,560
Oh.
Wait, did they mention that

715
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,800
name?
Because I'm sitting here

716
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,160
thinking.
Before.

717
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,400
Yeah, she, she was, she
mentioned it when when, when the

718
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,360
when the Taylor was going
through picking people.

719
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,800
Yeah, she was going through the
history.

720
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,160
And someone may have said it
during season 1.

721
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,840
I think someone mentioned him.
OK, OK.

722
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,920
His son.
He sent one of his sons with a

723
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:12,160
bunch of soldiers across the sea
to conquer whatever they could

724
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,120
find.
And that would have been where

725
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,480
they landed with something
colonizers, right?

726
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,120
So that's why they feel like
this name belongs to them,

727
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,760
because their ancestors
conquered it all.

728
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,920
And he told them that they need
to be prepared for the return.

729
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,880
OK.
So anyway, it's not important in

730
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,280
the grand scheme of things.
The only thing important was

731
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,120
Arthur Harquin was one of the
great legends of the past.

732
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,320
Brilliant commander and he hated
Ossadat.

733
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,320
That seems to be a running
theme.

734
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,800
There's a whole story about why,
though.

735
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,200
The the because his son, when
they went, when they got to Sean

736
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,720
Chan, they had Ossadat there as
well.

737
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,680
But they weren't the same as our
eyes to die.

738
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,760
They were kind of different.
And some things happened and

739
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:17,080
yeah, that's that's why they're
colored now, because he didn't

740
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,600
like them.
Colored and gagged.

741
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:20,840
Yeah, he didn't like them
either.

742
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:31,640
OK OK so now moving on to Parent
cause Parent has a solo audience

743
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:38,800
with Ishmael and I was just like
oh this is about to get

744
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,920
interesting.
And I have to say it.

745
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,680
I have to say it because we give
Mike a hard time about this.

746
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,840
They keep mentioning wolves,
wolves, wolves and even Ishmael

747
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,920
says to parent I want to see the
wolf come out.

748
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,440
So maybe he's not a wolf in the
books, but maybe that's what

749
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,680
they're going to make it in the
show.

750
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,400
No, I mean, they're, they're
really heavy-handed.

751
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:05,800
Werewolf, stop it.
They.

752
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,160
Really, they could have fooled,
they could have fooled me

753
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,640
because they're really
heavy-handed with putting him

754
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,120
with wolves and saying wolves
around him and just wolf this

755
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,680
wolf that when he's when he's
like around somebody and it's

756
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,200
like he, he he actually went
dancing with the wolves.

757
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,200
Is he Kevin Costner?
He went off dancing with the

758
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,720
wolves in the woods.
So it's like.

759
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,240
OK, I have a question.
I refuse to spoil y'all, but no

760
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,200
he is not.
OK, then question, is Elias a

761
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,240
wolf?
They're not werewolves.

762
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,960
They're not, no.
I didn't say werewolf, I said is

763
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,160
he a wolf?
Is he an actual wolf?

764
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,360
Yes.
No.

765
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,520
You mean, you mean you mean the
wolf that can turn to a person?

766
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,000
It's called the werewolf.
Yes, the Highwell Wolf.

767
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:57,080
I'm just curious because while
Ishmael was having the

768
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,280
conversation with parent and
kind of I, I kind of revealing

769
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,840
who he was to him, you have all
of the wolves coming to parents

770
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,800
rescue the same as they did in
the last season.

771
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:17,360
And then Elias comes into the
the carriage that parent is

772
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,240
traveling in because parent is
bound, his legs and feet are

773
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,840
bound.
He comes into the carriage to

774
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:28,280
free parent and he's got blood
all over his mouth and all over

775
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,040
the front of his vest.
And then when they come out the

776
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,360
carriage, there's a dead soldier
on the ground who looks like

777
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,720
he's been torn apart by a dog
and there are wolves all over

778
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:45,840
the forest.
So I'm just going by process of

779
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,400
elimination.
I mean, I know you say they're

780
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,480
not werewolves, but the.
Howls like a wolf.

781
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,800
Like a duck, and it talks like a
duck and it quacks like a duck

782
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,640
and.
It disembows you.

783
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:04,120
Like he can, if he can RIP,
Elias can RIP you apart with his

784
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,920
bare hands because he's a little
bit stronger and a little bit

785
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,360
ferocious.
He can still do it as a human.

786
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,760
He didn't have to be a wolf to
do that.

787
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,080
But he didn't RIP them apart
with his hands.

788
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,560
He literally had blood in his
mouth.

789
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,680
Did you, did you not see Silence
of Lance?

790
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,920
Did you not see what Hannibal
Lecter did today, man?

791
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,880
We are so not talking about
Hannibal Lecter.

792
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,720
I'm just saying this.
Is completely.

793
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,800
Different with.
OK, so is he a werewolf then?

794
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,880
I mean, is he a vampire then?
No.

795
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,760
They're not.
Humans, they're turning in the

796
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,960
wolves.
They're not even changelings

797
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,520
like that stupid woman wrote in
Twilight.

798
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:55,640
They're just, they're not.
They're not Remus Lupin, no.

799
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:58,800
OK, but we know that he's
something different.

800
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,080
Yes, he's something different.
Even even to the point that

801
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,320
Ishmael was like, yeah, I want
to see the monster.

802
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,320
Yeah.
So and and it's so.

803
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,800
It doesn't, it doesn't require
any.

804
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,960
Like, OK, remember one of the
things there, there are things

805
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,080
that have sort of been lost
through time that are starting

806
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,640
to come back.
Right.

807
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:28,960
So parent is a representative of
one of those things, OK.

808
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,800
And I I've talked about this
before because like, if you're

809
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,680
reading, if you read in between
the lines in a Song of Ice and

810
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,040
Fire, magic had pretty much been
gone because the Dragons were

811
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,480
gone and it didn't come back
until the Dragons came back.

812
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:50,000
So this is one of the scenes
Rand is very powerful to Veron.

813
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:53,600
Things that have been gone are
starting to come back.

814
00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:02,960
And you know, in X-Men, like
Mike Yuri, X-Men what?

815
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,440
What is the the indigenous X
man, the Native American, him

816
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,000
and his brother Thunder.
Wait, what is it?

817
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,440
Fuck, I know you know, you know
what I'm talking about.

818
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,280
You wouldn't call them
werewolves, right?

819
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:25,120
They just had the power of the
animals that they the totems

820
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,120
that they had, right?
Warpath.

821
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,200
Warpath.
Yeah, that.

822
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:31,520
I think that was the older one.
That was the older brother.

823
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,960
I can't remember who the young
one was.

824
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Thunderbird or something like
that.

825
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,200
Yeah, Thunderbird.
Is.

826
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:45,080
But but just because they have
the the abilities of the

827
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,000
creatures doesn't make them the
creature.

828
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,280
OK.
I'm trying, I'm trying not to

829
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,120
not to give away too.
Much, I know.

830
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:54,400
Yeah.
OK.

831
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,080
But the fact that you just said
that one line, OK, that makes

832
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,520
that makes sense.
OK, OK, OK.

833
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,560
So that's.
That's why there's confusion.

834
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,560
The the risers trying to confuse
you, make you think what maybe

835
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,560
the maybe he's channeling.
No, he's not channeling.

836
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,880
He's something different.
OK.

837
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,800
Yeah, OK.
He's something different.

838
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,400
OK, yeah, I mean, also shout to
a liars, like truly like, like

839
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,840
Cocker said being a fucking bad
ass in this episode.

840
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:31,160
Like like that motherfucker was
like was like Assassin's Creed

841
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,160
and shit.
Like he was just like slipping,

842
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,960
sliding and like killing people.
I was like I cool.

843
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,200
And also speaking since the
parent, parents like we got to

844
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,640
go save everybody else, he's
like, you can't save everybody

845
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,920
else from from a cave.
Go, you see.

846
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,160
See the wolf go gone.
But I do want to give this

847
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,560
caveat.
You're right, they are changing

848
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:59,240
a lot of stuff if they have
already pushed the fandom to the

849
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:04,000
brink.
If they turn a parent into a

850
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:09,080
werewolf, I promise you people
they may keep.

851
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,720
Regular.
Right, they may keep regular

852
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:17,880
people, you know because it is a
popular show on Prime, but the

853
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,840
fandom is going to burn it down
if they turn a parent into a

854
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,720
werewolf.
You mean they're going to turn

855
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:27,160
to Star Wars fans?
Yes, pretty much.

856
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:28,920
Oh, that's that it.
Wow.

857
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,320
OK.
Burn it down.

858
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,040
Now here is the other question
that I have.

859
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:41,680
Is Perrin kind of sort of
playing dumb or does he really

860
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,320
not realize what is happening to
him?

861
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,400
They've written him to where he
doesn't realize what's

862
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,560
happening.
OK, OK.

863
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,200
He he does, he's in denial.
He's he's kind of in.

864
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,840
He's in denial, yeah.
Because I was going to like,

865
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,960
even when even when he was out
with a Gwaine and she was she

866
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,640
was telling, was it she did she
tell Marine?

867
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,720
She was telling Marine about
what happened to him when Child

868
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:13,120
Valder was torturing them.
And she was like, his eyes turn

869
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,520
gold and I don't know what's
going on.

870
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,520
And then, you know, she started
talking about the wolves.

871
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,640
Paren heard some of that.
He was laying on the on the bed,

872
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,840
but he heard some of that.
So it's not like he's completely

873
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,040
in the dark.
People are saying things about

874
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,680
him or to him.
You know, they're trying to

875
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,320
figure out, hey, Paren, are you
OK?

876
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,520
What's going on?
You know, when he's having his

877
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,760
visions and kind of blanking
out, Elias is literally telling

878
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,040
him, yeah, dude, you, you're a
little different.

879
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,280
You need to start embracing
that.

880
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,920
And then for Ishmael to come in
and be like, yeah, there's

881
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,320
something different about you,
man.

882
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,280
I want to see.
I want to see what that is.

883
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,680
Show me the monster.
Why does?

884
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,600
Everybody keep saying that.
What do you mean?

885
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,240
What are you?
What are you doing to me?

886
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,240
Nobody's doing anything to you.
Peron this is.

887
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:10,360
Mike is right.
He is completely in the Nile and

888
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,800
I think they're setting us up
for him having a realization and

889
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,800
and learning about what he is
and discovering what he can do.

890
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:22,840
They're just laying the
groundwork for that.

891
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,280
It, it's, it's a little strange
because it's taking a they're,

892
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,800
they're really slow dripping it
like they really are slow

893
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,800
dripping it because they're
trying to weave in all this

894
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,320
other stuff.
Because to to get him where he

895
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:43,240
is, a lot of a lot to get him
where he's supposed to be or at

896
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:47,080
least get him started, a lot of
other things need to be in

897
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,440
place.
OK.

898
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,960
That, that that makes him
important.

899
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,640
There's there's characters we
haven't met yet that he's going

900
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:00,840
to be in direct conflict with.
Oh God, more characteristic.

901
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,640
God, this, this is great to me
that.

902
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,160
You don't know.
You don't know to have.

903
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,840
Oh yeah, I already know because
even just from the trailer I was

904
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,560
like, I need to know who they
are so.

905
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,120
Yeah, you have no idea.
Think about it.

906
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:21,160
This, this, this story is, like
I said, it's 1314 books. 1414 or

907
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,960
15?
Including including New Spring,

908
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,760
which is, you know, the prequel.
There's a lot and there's a lot

909
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,600
of characters.
And I'm going to tell you books

910
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:37,120
5678 is nothing but characters
in characters development and

911
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,000
politics.
They are real pain to get

912
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,280
through.
Ah.

913
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:49,720
OK, thanks for the warning
because I was like, I'm trying

914
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,800
to decide when I'm going to
start reading the books.

915
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,040
But one, I already told you all
the problem I have with reading

916
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,600
in the last couple of years, I
can't sit now long enough to

917
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,200
focus.
Like it has to catch me and make

918
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,760
me be like, oh, I need to sit
here and read and and my brain

919
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:12,440
is moving too much.
So there's that then.

920
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,520
I usually don't.
If I start watching a a show and

921
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,600
it's based on a book that I have
not read yet, I usually don't

922
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,080
read the book until the show is
over because I'm like, I don't

923
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,240
want book tank to get in there
because yeah, I do it with Harry

924
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,000
Potter.
Anthony, you've done it with

925
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,800
this.
We don't want to be the book in

926
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,200
the book in the book.
What happens in the book, This

927
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,440
is what happens in the book
because we're talking about the

928
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,800
TV show, we are already aware
that things are going to be a

929
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,880
little bit differently because
that that's what happens with

930
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,040
adaptations.
But still, I don't want to sit

931
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,680
here and be thinking in my head
like, that's not how they did it

932
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,640
on the show or oh, they they
skipped this, they skipped that.

933
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,120
So I'm trying to wait,
especially because things are so

934
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,440
different.
I don't want to get things kind

935
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:10,000
of confused, but it's 14 books.
That's a lot of material, and

936
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,080
those books aren't small like
those books are about that fit.

937
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,880
So yeah, I've actually seen,
I've seen them in Barcelona.

938
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,040
I'm like, oh God.
I was told, Anthony, look, I'm

939
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,520
gonna take my camera.
Those are some of the books down

940
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,520
there.
I found them in the Goodwill.

941
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,520
Those things are thick, like
over 1000 pages.

942
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:38,680
So yeah, yeah.
But it's also got a lot of a lot

943
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:43,040
of information that I really
kind of want background

944
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,600
information on.
Like, OK, we talked about

945
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,680
earlier, they talked about the
Tarang grill and they kind of

946
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,920
sort of give you an explanation
of it, but they really don't.

947
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,120
And just like with Anthony,
Anthony talks about the Tavarian

948
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,920
a lot.
We don't really know what that

949
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,280
is because they don't really use
that term in the show, but

950
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,440
apparently it is an important
term.

951
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:12,840
So it's kind of like, do I want
to read it for informational

952
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,720
purposes just to get a little
background, or do I just want to

953
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:21,680
stay show only and just not be
quote UN quote, tainted or

954
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:25,360
spoiled?
It's just, I don't know.

955
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:33,360
I don't know, but anyway.
OK so going back to the the the

956
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,920
main point, Karen is not a
werewolf.

957
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,640
We will find out what he is at
some point.

958
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,360
Because if I remember correctly,
as as we stated, Anthony and I

959
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,440
have watched the full season 2,
but it was like 2 years ago when

960
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,640
we did.
So I, I'm going to be honest,

961
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,640
there are a couple of things
that stand out, but I, I

962
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,160
honestly don't remember because
we consume so much TV.

963
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,400
It's just kind of like, OK.
Yeah, 'cause every 3 minutes I'm

964
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,080
like, oh, that did happen,
didn't it?

965
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,920
I don't remember that happening
like this.

966
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,720
We'll talk about it later, but
the one scene where Rand and

967
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,840
Celine are at the with all the
nobles.

968
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,120
Yes.
To get the wine, I totally, I

969
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,840
was like, oh, I, I don't
remember this scene.

970
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,760
I remembered that scene a little
bit.

971
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:30,640
I forgot about like the
circumstances leading up to it

972
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,520
and what happens afterwards.
I was like, oh, wait, OK.

973
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,640
Oh well, if we're if we're done
with pairing, we can talk about

974
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:39,960
being there, Sling.
Yeah, we can talk.

975
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,120
We can talk about them.
Talk.

976
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,400
About them doing their.
Firestone, well, it's it was

977
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,480
Step back, Rand and Logan.
Ran stupid.

978
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,920
Get ready for my rant, because
this motherfucker is dumb as

979
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,440
fuck.
I am so sick of this

980
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,800
motherfucker already.
It's only three goddamn episodes

981
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,840
in.
I'm already sick of his ass.

982
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,920
Does he not know that he's being
used?

983
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,880
He he and he's the worst liar
ever because.

984
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,520
Because Lorraine was like, yeah,
I remember seeing he was like,

985
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,240
what?
No, you ain't see me.

986
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,480
I was like.
I will say this though, when

987
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:23,640
they showed that flashback of
him looking at Rand, I was like,

988
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,200
that literally could have been a
whole different person because

989
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,040
he doesn't even like yeah, his
facial features are the same,

990
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,640
but Rand had such a baby face.
Then he had the curly hair.

991
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,840
He was a lot smaller.
Like I didn't realize just how

992
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,360
much he bulked up for this
season till I saw that flashback

993
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,240
and I'm like, oh wait a minute.
He really did get get some size

994
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,920
on him for this second season.
Yeah, but he was like, I

995
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,280
recognize that red hair that's
you got red at the.

996
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,520
Roots, yeah, he said.
I see, I see the red at the

997
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:00,840
roots because when you when you
look at him in the daytime on.

998
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,440
This particular episode, it does
look blonde or brownish, but

999
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,120
Logan was like, yeah, I see that
red at the rules.

1000
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,600
You can't hide that.
And he's like, what you talking

1001
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,880
about?
No.

1002
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,240
I think you being a little bit.
I've never seen you in my life.

1003
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,080
You being a little bit unfair to
to Ram.

1004
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,120
Yes, we had this conversation
off.

1005
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,920
We had this conversation off
camera, Mike, before you got on.

1006
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,800
We think you being a little
harsh on RAM, a little harsh on

1007
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,640
Ram, just a little harsh.
Like like like you called him.

1008
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,480
I think it was in the first
episode when we were talking and

1009
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,320
you were talking about the the
end of the first season and how

1010
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,760
you knew he was the Dragon and
everything.

1011
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,800
You were like this old whiny
something.

1012
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,080
I'm like, when has Rand been
whiny?

1013
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,120
Like he hasn't been whiny in in
this show, not.

1014
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,200
Not really.
No, not I mean he's got his fair

1015
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,240
share share of complaining, but
given the circumstances that

1016
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,840
they have found themselves in,
that's to be warranted.

1017
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,280
But for you talk about whining
and and I think you said

1018
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,200
something about him pining over
Iguana.

1019
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:15,400
He really has not been doing
that, like at all.

1020
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,240
Not, not well.
The first season he was.

1021
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,560
Now come on, you gotta give.
You gotta give him that.

1022
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,080
He did pioneer Big Wayne for a
whole season.

1023
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,280
Yes, yes he did.
I guess it.

1024
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,840
Depends on your definition of
pining because like I said in a

1025
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,120
Wayne they were together, they
had their their conversation

1026
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,040
about not being together because
she was going to be a wisdom.

1027
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:44,800
And for me, him being whiny
would have been like, oh, you're

1028
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,960
ruining my life.
We had already talked about

1029
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,360
this.
We had everything planned.

1030
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,040
You were supposed to be a wife.
We were supposed to have

1031
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,600
children.
We talked about raising kids

1032
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,160
here.
Like that didn't happen.

1033
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,360
When she said, I'm gonna go
ahead and become a wisdom, he

1034
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,240
was like, yeah, I know.
And she was like, I'm so sorry.

1035
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,120
And he was just like, no, you
have to do what's right for you.

1036
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:11,600
That was not a whiny moment.
And yes, throughout the season,

1037
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,840
he was kind of looking at her
like, oh, I miss her, whatever.

1038
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,960
But they have been together and
they've been in love since they

1039
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,360
were children.
That's kind of like if he wasn't

1040
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,440
missing her or if he wasn't
being like, oh, I miss you, I

1041
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,160
want you back.
I would have been like that

1042
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:32,680
motherfucker don't love her.
But he wasn't being overly like,

1043
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,440
I just he he wasn't being
parent.

1044
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:43,680
Parent is the one who's being
very overtly like morose and and

1045
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,000
the Prince and Layla Van and
Layla Layla like.

1046
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,440
I'm so I'm surprised parent
doesn't like isn't like dressed

1047
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,800
in all black and just and just
like like singing like some ye

1048
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,200
old panic at the disco or
whatever emo.

1049
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,240
He too busy trying to find Pat
and Fan so he can kill him

1050
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,680
because he mad because you
brought the trolley to his door

1051
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,760
and the trolley's are the reason
why his wife is dead because he

1052
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,120
accidentally killed her trying
to kill a trolley.

1053
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,320
Tonight will be the night that I
will kill the trolley.

1054
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,680
He's.
He's just distracting himself.

1055
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,880
He he, he does it.
If he sits down and stops to

1056
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,320
think, he starts thinking about
Lickler.

1057
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:25,960
Yeah.
So he has to keep moving

1058
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,400
forward.
You can't stop.

1059
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,240
So.
So that's why I'm just like you

1060
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,800
being a little harsh on Ren.
But let's go back to to Ren and

1061
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,160
Logan.
Logan is a funny fella.

1062
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,680
I like him.
He's like, dude, I see the red

1063
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,720
at the roots.
I see you.

1064
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,480
I know who you are, and I know
why you're here.

1065
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,720
He was like, so.
He was like, so how long is it

1066
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,080
going to be before you ask me?
Rand is like, Ask you what?

1067
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:54,560
You know what you want to ask
me?

1068
01:03:55,360 --> 01:04:00,640
Come on now, I ain't stupid.
Well, well, Gay was able to

1069
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,280
rally a large army.
Yeah.

1070
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,160
So the man is charismatic.
He knows how to talk to people.

1071
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,920
Yeah, tell you what, go ahead.
You give me this bottle of this

1072
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,400
rare red blend that's comes from
some fucking mountains and shit

1073
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,720
now and I'll.
I'll think about it like.

1074
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,800
He said how am I supposed to get
it?

1075
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,280
I don't know.
You figured out how to get here

1076
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:23,120
figure.
Anything out right?

1077
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,080
I mean, what does he have to
lose?

1078
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,160
It's like if he if he doesn't
find it, he's like, Oh well,

1079
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,280
this ain't going to talk to you.
If he does find he'd be like,

1080
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,240
OK, I'll string you along and
get a couple other things.

1081
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,680
He'd be like, OK, get me this,
give me this rare pack of

1082
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,720
Yu-gi-oh cards.
Then get me this rare Deadpool

1083
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,800
Funko Pop and do all this other
shit.

1084
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,520
Then I'll I'll keep giving you
little bread crumbs and shit.

1085
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:42,720
Wait, wait, wait.
That might.

1086
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,960
Help you.
The Deadpool Funko Pop was for

1087
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,120
you, Sir, That that was for you.
What are you, EO cards?

1088
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,920
What's your point?
I'm gonna say I'm just saying

1089
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,440
he's going to keep keep asking
him for stuff and give them

1090
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,840
little crumbs of stuff that'll
help him and not give him the

1091
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,640
whole thing that's going to
really help him get control of

1092
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,360
it.
It's like, this is just this is

1093
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,840
like, yeah, I can see.
I know this is what's going to

1094
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,160
happen.
He's going to be like, OK,

1095
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,000
concentrate.
OK, give me this.

1096
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,120
OK, Focus.
All right, go.

1097
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:14,440
Give me that.
All right.

1098
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:16,600
Pay attention.
Alright, go give me that.

1099
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,320
It's like that's all he's going
to do is like just he's not,

1100
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:21,360
he's not going to, he's not
going to really help him become

1101
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,360
the dragon because I mean, OK, I
haven't.

1102
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,960
I don't think he knows that Rand
is the dragon, he just knows

1103
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,720
that Rand is the man who can
channel.

1104
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,400
I think maybe he starts
suspecting it towards the end

1105
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,000
when Rand is like you ain't the
dragon and low gay.

1106
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,720
I mean cause low gay look pissed
when Rand said that he looked at

1107
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,160
him like how dare you.
He's he's still slightly crazy

1108
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,680
though.
OK.

1109
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,920
Yeah, yeah.
But he did say, he did say when

1110
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,560
I saw you up there, you sign
brighter than anyone I've ever

1111
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:55,680
seen.
Ever seen?

1112
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,840
Yep.
Yep, he said.

1113
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:58,640
I knew.
What did he say?

1114
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,880
I knew you were going to turn
this world upside down.

1115
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,400
Yeah.
But here's my question.

1116
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:08,760
So Logan can no longer channel
because he's been stilled.

1117
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,600
I think I read that stilled is
what they do to men, gentle is

1118
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,440
what they do to the women.
But it's basically the same

1119
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,400
thing.
OK, so he's been still, which

1120
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,160
means he no longer has his
powers.

1121
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,280
We know that Rand has his
powers.

1122
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:25,320
But he was cut off from it.
But it's the same thing.

1123
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:26,120
But we have to.
Oh.

1124
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,880
Yeah, OK, 'cause I was going to
say, Oh no, that's that's called

1125
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,200
shielded, OK.
Shielding is a shielding you

1126
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,240
from from from seizing the
power.

1127
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,200
Yeah, OK.
Stealing and gentling is cutting

1128
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,000
you off.
Yeah.

1129
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:47,560
So once a person has been
stilled or gentled and they've

1130
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,320
been cut off from the power,
does that mean that they can

1131
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,440
never touch the source again?
Or is there a way for them to

1132
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:01,960
regain that ability?
Because my my question is, can

1133
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,040
Logan?
You starting to laugh?

1134
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:08,680
OK.
Can Logan take that power from

1135
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,800
Rand?
Is there a way for him to take

1136
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,720
it?
Or if if Rand loses control, is

1137
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,160
there a way for him to pass that
power back to?

1138
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,760
I can answer that question.
OK.

1139
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,720
I can answer that question.
No, no, they can't.

1140
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:29,920
No, Yeah, there there are ways
to do it like with the with the

1141
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,720
Adams, with the Sudams, do with
the Damani.

1142
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:39,240
Oh, OK.
So if if he were able to get a

1143
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,800
caller and put it on Ren, he
might be able to he can make him

1144
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,040
do things.
Oh, OK.

1145
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:50,400
So if that's something we don't
know about the the money in them

1146
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,240
yet because that that hasn't
happened yet.

1147
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,040
Didn't we kind of Well, yeah, I
guess.

1148
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,920
Well, we did see them behind
them and make them attack the

1149
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:04,760
the the Sonarians that that is
what they.

1150
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,440
Remember.
OK, OK.

1151
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,320
Yeah, yeah.
So we did see them do that.

1152
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,120
OK, OK.
So.

1153
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,840
So if there is a way for him to
do it, you do, he'd have to do

1154
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,479
it that way.
OK, I can answer that, but it's

1155
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,000
not like it's not like.
Don't ask me any other

1156
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,000
questions.
I'm just going to clarify, like

1157
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,800
Mike said, it's not like a heck
Agatha Hartness type of

1158
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,040
transfer.
Like OK, I'm a OK it.

1159
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:32,200
Doesn't.
Yeah, it doesn't.

1160
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,359
The one part it doesn't work
like.

1161
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,880
That OK, I'm not going to make
you spoiling thing because I

1162
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,680
knew I said as soon as you start
smiling, I said OK, I'm asking

1163
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,800
something that's that's getting
a little too it's.

1164
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,840
Getting too spoilery?
OK, OK.

1165
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:44,120
I won't do that.
OK.

1166
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,840
That taking all the power, it
was low gain all of them.

1167
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,080
So yeah, so so with them having
the conversation low gain, kind

1168
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:59,319
of figuring out what Rand is, if
not who Rand is, Rand is like, I

1169
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:01,080
need you to teach me how to
control it.

1170
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:05,120
And, and he was like, OK, so you
go get me a bottle of this red

1171
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,319
wine from where I come from and,
and we can talk.

1172
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:15,640
So Rand goes back out into the
the village and while he's

1173
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:19,000
looking at the different
merchants and, and the bottle of

1174
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:24,200
wine, there's like a gathering
out front where they're talking

1175
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:28,560
about the Horn of the Lear.
And so Rand is trying to figure

1176
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,080
out he was like, you know,
Selena's sitting there because

1177
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,399
apparently she's she's one of
the wine merchants.

1178
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:35,960
He was like, what are they
talking about?

1179
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,920
She said, oh, it's the hunt for
the Horn of Velir.

1180
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,640
She was like, every few years
they do this and we've already

1181
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,080
seen the Horn of Velir, but I
keep forgetting Rand did not.

1182
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,680
Rand does not know that it was
that it was in Faldar.

1183
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,800
But you know, she tells him she
was like, yeah, every few years

1184
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:56,200
they they do the hunt.
The queen once said she's

1185
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:58,440
offering a reward, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.

1186
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,840
And then they get onto the
subject of the wine because Rand

1187
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,480
starts looking at the wine.
She was like, what are you

1188
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:06,280
looking for?
He tells her it's it's a good

1189
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:13,360
guy denying Gelden, Gelden red.
And she was like, why do you

1190
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,600
need that specific wine?
And they have a little flirty,

1191
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,920
flirty going on.
And I'm sorry, I still don't

1192
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,480
like her.
I still don't trust her, but

1193
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:24,080
anyway, she was like, OK, so
this is how we're going to get

1194
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,720
this wine and you're going to
need a jacket.

1195
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,800
I was like, what does a jacket
have to do with wine?

1196
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,440
Oh, OK.
So she sneaks them into some

1197
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:37,040
little hoity toity party
without.

1198
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:41,440
Becoming a Red Osset too.
I thought the same thing.

1199
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,760
I was like shit shower bones
back fuck, never mind.

1200
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,800
Damn it, that's a dope.
I mean it's a dope jacket.

1201
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,920
I I give it to him.
He look he look good in that

1202
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,480
jacket.
He does, but I was like, he's

1203
01:10:57,480 --> 01:11:02,240
standing out so much, which I
guess was kind of Celine's like

1204
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,560
her thing because she wanted
people talking, trying to figure

1205
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,280
out who they were and stuff like
that.

1206
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,480
Because you're literally
infiltrating high society,

1207
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,280
right?
Right.

1208
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:18,760
So this woman comes up to talk
to Rand and Anthony and I were

1209
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,000
saying this before the show.
We were like, did all the

1210
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,280
Discovery Witches people come
over to Wheel of Time?

1211
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,560
Because that was Isabel.
Motherfucker, hold on.

1212
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,440
Wait, wait, wait.
OK, now.

1213
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:36,680
OK, now we're even.
That was Isabel, Yeah, the one

1214
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,720
who came up talking to Ran
because he had the party

1215
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:41,920
invitation.
And she was like, yeah, you

1216
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,880
don't want to accept that
invitation is going to come at a

1217
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,320
cost.
And she starts telling him

1218
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,880
about, you know, kind of being
in the high society, and she

1219
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,600
figures out where he's from or
what town he's in.

1220
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,840
I mean, I say where he's from.
And so she starts talking about

1221
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:03,560
the town and how, you know, I
think she said years ago, I

1222
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:08,120
think that was like one of the
prominent towns and the town,

1223
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,000
the other townspeople or the
poor people were fleeing from

1224
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,360
some kind of catastrophe.
And so they kind of took up

1225
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,240
residence and what, what do they
call it?

1226
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,160
The gatekeep?
And they foregate and and they

1227
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,400
just never left.
And she was like, yeah.

1228
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,720
So the queen is trying to figure
out how she can basically claim

1229
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,560
her her town back.
And that's when Rand learns that

1230
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,960
the hunt for the horn of the
Lear is fake.

1231
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,240
It's just a way to get people
out of the town.

1232
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:45,320
They're not giving.
They're not giving any money,

1233
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,680
any rewards or anything.
They're just trying to get rid

1234
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,720
of people.
And this really bothers Rand

1235
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:55,600
because he was like, so you're
giving people hope that they can

1236
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,800
like, get a better life.
They can win this reward money,

1237
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,280
you know, and improve their
chances, improve their lives.

1238
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,480
And it's just all fake.
And then when Celine comes back,

1239
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:08,760
he mentions it to her.
She was like, you naive little

1240
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,280
boy.
Of course, of course it's fake.

1241
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,680
And this pisses him off too,
because he was like, oh, wait,

1242
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,360
you knew she was like, yeah, you
know, that's, that's how people,

1243
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,960
that's the currency.
People say things, they do

1244
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,840
things because they're always
trying to get over on someone

1245
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,240
else or they're trying to get
something, you know, something

1246
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,360
for information.
There it, it's like a exchange.

1247
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,520
He was like, So what are you
doing this for?

1248
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,360
You know about bringing him to
the party, getting the wine for

1249
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,280
him.
She was like, you know what I'm

1250
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,800
doing?
And he was like, man, fuck you,

1251
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,280
I'm leaving.
And he left her ass at the

1252
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:45,760
party.
I was like, you know what was

1253
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,640
like?
Rand is like, I ain't here for

1254
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:51,560
your bullshit.
No.

1255
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,520
He's not he has a plan.
He he has a plan and a purpose.

1256
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:01,360
But I think what what we got
though as the audience was, I

1257
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,640
think I mentioned this, we
talked about this last season

1258
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:09,280
the the game of houses.
Yes, I do remember you

1259
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:10,880
mentioning.
Yeah, they are.

1260
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:16,200
We we, we finally kind of got a
little bit of a peek at the game

1261
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,440
of houses and how it works.
It's a it's sort of how the

1262
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:23,440
nobles politic each other
because and that's, you know,

1263
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,920
that's kind of where George RR
Martin got Game of Thrones from.

1264
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,000
You kind of got it from this,
this idea of the game of houses.

1265
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,760
Every decision that you make as
a Lord means something.

1266
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:39,480
But like him throwing the thing
into the fire.

1267
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,560
That was actually a really cool
thing game to play with them

1268
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,400
because they're trying to figure
out which way he's leaning.

1269
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,280
Like what kind of board is he?
Is he going to side with this

1270
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,640
one?
Is he going to take her, her

1271
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,480
invite?
No, he's just going to burn it

1272
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,160
and not make a decision.
He didn't even open the

1273
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,680
invitation.
Right.

1274
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,360
So that's going to throw them
all into a his fit because they

1275
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:01,680
don't know what's.
Going on because they're still

1276
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,120
trying to figure out who the
hell he is, Yeah.

1277
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,960
OK.
And then to just walk out on her

1278
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,760
in that way and leave her like
that, well then who does that to

1279
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,080
her, you know?
Right, right.

1280
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,760
And Celine came over.
It was so funny because when she

1281
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:19,000
was when when the other lady was
talking to him, she came over

1282
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,360
and she was like, excuse me?
She said I don't think we've

1283
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,920
been introduced.
She Celine said no, we haven't

1284
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,720
and turned around and just
walked off.

1285
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,040
I said oh, OK.
Yeah, so we got our first peak

1286
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,240
of the a little bit of a game of
houses.

1287
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,040
OK.
In the blue.

1288
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,400
Like I'm looking, I'm looking at
her now and I'm like, she

1289
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,080
doesn't even really look like
it's a bold.

1290
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:43,040
Yeah, she does.
Just just just take, take that,

1291
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,720
take that huge wig off because
the wig makes her look like

1292
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,600
Effie from The Hunger Games.
Just kind of like all out there.

1293
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,800
I mean, it's a fancy.
Wig because the hair is brown

1294
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:58,400
and it's like she's blonde, you
know, like grave blonde in in

1295
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,560
the Discovery of Witches.
I'm looking at her.

1296
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,480
I'm like, she's like, she's
already looking at him like a

1297
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:06,480
piece of meat and I'm like.
But now, if you, if you close

1298
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,960
your eyes and just listen to the
voice, it'll hit you.

1299
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,160
You'll automatically know that's
who it is.

1300
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:13,200
Yeah.
Yeah.

1301
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:18,800
So, yeah.
And I, I, I will say this is not

1302
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,840
to be spoilery, but you're going
to trip Mike when you figure

1303
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,320
out, when you find out who she
is.

1304
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:30,920
OK, cool.
But yeah, so like I said, Celine

1305
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,640
comes over and she has her
little intrigue or her little

1306
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,680
mystery.
And I was sitting there looking

1307
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:42,640
like she is way too comfortable
in this type of setting, which

1308
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,800
again, makes me more suspicious
of her because even when you

1309
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:53,160
think about when Rand saw her in
the middle of the crowd back at

1310
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:59,920
what you say, Fort Gate, Fort
Gate, she looks so much

1311
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:03,720
different from everyone else.
You know, it's literally one of

1312
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,240
those towns where people are a
little bit dirty, people are a

1313
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,640
little unkept, you know, a lot
of people working in the market.

1314
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:17,360
There's a lot of mud everywhere.
And she looks so clean and so

1315
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:23,240
pristine and just too perfect
for that kind of setting.

1316
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,840
And then for her to go to this,
this, like I said, hoity toity

1317
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:33,280
party and kind of sort of fit in
and she knows how to maneuver

1318
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,960
the crowd and she knows how to
work the crowd and she knows how

1319
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,880
to do this and she knows how to
do that.

1320
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:43,680
Yeah, something is not quite
right with her.

1321
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:50,680
And then you get the stuff later
on because after Rand leaves her

1322
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,760
at the party, he goes to low
gain, he takes in the line and

1323
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,600
he's basically like, tell me
how, how to control this.

1324
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,560
And Logane is like, you can't.
That's that's the whole thing.

1325
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:04,680
You're never going to be able to
control it.

1326
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,600
And this kind of sets Rand off.
Not thought Rand was going to

1327
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,800
attack Logane because he he got
in his face.

1328
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:19,360
But then when he leaves there
and he goes home, Celine is

1329
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,280
there waiting for him.
And Rand, I, I will say this,

1330
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:28,720
him and Celine, they, they seem
to like a roof because he grabs

1331
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,320
her by the throat like he's
about to choke her out.

1332
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:32,520
What?
What did she say?

1333
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,520
She said if you do that again,
I'll end you.

1334
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,280
Or something like.
That yeah, If you, if you leave,

1335
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,400
if you ever leave me like that
again, I will.

1336
01:18:39,480 --> 01:18:40,960
No, she said.
I will kill you.

1337
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:42,760
I will kill.
You.

1338
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,720
Oh, OK.
I guess that flipped the switch

1339
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,920
for him.
Right, 'cause they start

1340
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:51,120
kissing, they do all this other
stuff, they get on the bed and

1341
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,360
you can see.
Do it in fire style.

1342
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:59,120
He he's, he's channeling and he
tries to pull back because he

1343
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,840
doesn't want to hurt her.
And it's so weird because she's

1344
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,480
looking at him like she can see
it.

1345
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:08,760
Can the Forsaken see that stuff?
Because I'm starting to think

1346
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:12,200
that she, she has to be
somewhere in that.

1347
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:19,680
OK, so the rules are men cannot
see women channel and women

1348
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,880
cannot see men channel, but she.
Looked like she saw him.

1349
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,080
What?
Was going.

1350
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,320
On So I think the thing she she
was like, she I think she I

1351
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,000
think she she could, yeah, she
could tell something was

1352
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,800
happening.
OK, but she can't.

1353
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,920
They can't see.
They can't see each other's

1354
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,960
weeds.
Yeah, because she she told him

1355
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,280
she was like, let go, you can
let go.

1356
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,680
Yeah.
And he was like, I don't want to

1357
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,120
hurt you.
She was like you, you won't hurt

1358
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,720
me.
And she was like, let go.

1359
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,400
And I was like, does she realize
what's happening with him?

1360
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:54,720
Yeah, going 50 Shades of red on
this.

1361
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:01,160
Night right and then of course
he channels camera pans off so I

1362
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,120
you know they do the do or
whatever, but then he wakes up

1363
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:08,360
alone and I was like so that.
Made me think he was dreaming.

1364
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,760
That's what I was wondering
because he wakes up alone.

1365
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:17,520
He still got the excuse me, do
they do they call them weaves

1366
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,080
with the men?
Yes.

1367
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:25,120
The OK, so he still has the
weaves kind of residually kind

1368
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:30,360
of going away, but then once
sparks and sets the roof on fire

1369
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:36,000
and Celine comes from outside
calling him and she's like

1370
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,640
literally got on her night
clothes.

1371
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,920
So I was like, did he dream
that?

1372
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:46,680
And if so, was that a honest to
God dream or was that something

1373
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:50,240
that was triggered in him?
Like did somebody plant that in

1374
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,160
him for that particular
reaction?

1375
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:56,600
I'm just at this point I was
like, I'm so confused.

1376
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,640
I don't know what the fuck is
going on with Rand.

1377
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,200
Like is this something that he's
actually experiencing?

1378
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:05,200
Is he being controlled?
Is he being manipulated?

1379
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,040
I mean, we know that something
has been reaching out to him

1380
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:13,560
with the the one power.
We heard it in the last episode.

1381
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,280
You know, he's hearing voices.
He's.

1382
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:20,680
So I'm just kind of like did.
We determine that loaf there, it

1383
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,320
has no power, doesn't have any
powers right now they're.

1384
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,600
What?
Low gain.

1385
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,880
Low gain.
Does he like has no powers?

1386
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,200
OK, he cannot access the one
power.

1387
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,040
OK.
That's what I thought.

1388
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:36,560
I figured, I thought, I thought
we had established that.

1389
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,920
OK, yeah, 'cause I was like, it
seems it 'cause it seems like

1390
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,240
something that low gain would do
to make him like he'd do

1391
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,160
something if he'd, he'd lose
control of his power or

1392
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,840
something bad would happen, he'd
go back and be like, please

1393
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,680
teach me.
He's like, maybe.

1394
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,880
I, I can see that if he had
access to his power, I could see

1395
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,120
that manipulation.
But yeah, he doesn't.

1396
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:08,600
So like I said, I feel like it
has to be either Celine or maybe

1397
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:13,840
Ishmael is manipulating him
because we know that he knows

1398
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,560
who Randy is.
He knows Randy is the the Dragon

1399
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:22,720
Reborn.
And then he already has one part

1400
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,320
of Rand's crew, which he
probably, I don't know if he

1401
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,720
knows that parent is someone
that Rand knows or is a friend

1402
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,600
of his, or if he's just, I don't
know.

1403
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,640
He's just collecting chess
pieces.

1404
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:38,360
It's just kind of like I need to
know what's going on with Rand.

1405
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,880
I want to know, is this
something that he is doing?

1406
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,320
Is this part of him not having
control or if he's being

1407
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:45,720
manipulated?
Because if he's being

1408
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,840
manipulated, if you.
OK.

1409
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,560
What were the things you said
you need to know?

1410
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:55,280
What?
I just need to know if Rand is

1411
01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:01,440
the one who is it, if he is in
control of his own self or if

1412
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:04,400
he's being controlled or if he's
being manipulated.

1413
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,520
Would it be too spoiled to say
all of the above?

1414
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:13,240
No, no, but it would give me
something to think about because

1415
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:18,040
OK, if he's if he's doing it,
OK, fine, if he's being

1416
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,960
controlled or manipulated.
Now the question comes, is he is

1417
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:26,160
it coming from within?
Like is the one power doing it

1418
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,160
and and making him do these
things or is that outside force?

1419
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,120
The one the one power is not
sentient.

1420
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,400
Oh, OK, OK.
There's definitely Celine.

1421
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,720
Celine's definitely.
That's why she said she can't

1422
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:39,800
hurt her because she's
manipulating the situation and

1423
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,440
she's not going to do anything
that will hurt her then do

1424
01:23:42,440 --> 01:23:47,240
anything so.
Yeah, and she wanted to try to

1425
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:52,360
see just how powerful he is, if
she knows who he is or if she

1426
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,560
has an idea.
Because I mean, I said something

1427
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,160
about her being for Forsaken
earlier, like she could be that

1428
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,000
she could also be a dark friend.
I think we mentioned that in the

1429
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,800
last episode.
Like she just, I mean.

1430
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,040
The innkeeper, yeah, she was the
bar keeper.

1431
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:09,880
The innkeeper.
She.

1432
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:13,200
Was a yeah, the the the people
who try to sleep with Rand tend

1433
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:17,720
to be trying to kill them so
except for ingue so.

1434
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:25,320
Yeah, give her time.
I think if Dwayne will probably

1435
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,680
try to kill him and she finds
out he's been alive all this

1436
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,280
time, and not only alive, but
he's been sleeping with somebody

1437
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:30,920
else, too.
Yeah.

1438
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,200
Oh, that.
That would that would stole her

1439
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:35,960
fire that.
Would not even well for him.

1440
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:40,920
Yeah, but yeah, so now Rand
doesn't have a place to stay

1441
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,040
because he just burned his
little apartment up.

1442
01:24:44,440 --> 01:24:49,640
And is that not, that's the
place that Celine owns, right?

1443
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:55,000
Because he pays her rent.
So now where are they to go out?

1444
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,480
That's that's another thing that
made me think like, OK, I think

1445
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:01,840
she's manipulating him.
She's doing something like she's

1446
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:09,720
trying to, she's making
circumstances so that he has to

1447
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,600
make the moves that she's
wanting him to make.

1448
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:17,440
That's kind of where I feel like
that's kind of what I feel like

1449
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:20,480
she's doing, especially
considering he just burned her

1450
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:26,080
place up after a dream of having
sex with her.

1451
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:30,680
So I'm like, yeah, she's, she's
in his head.

1452
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,680
And I guess, I don't know, chalk
it up to his age, 'cause like

1453
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:44,120
Anthony and I said, he's only
19, but dude, come on now, come

1454
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:47,080
on.
She for someone who is supposed

1455
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:53,280
to just be a random booty call
every once in awhile, she's a

1456
01:25:53,280 --> 01:26:00,120
little too involved in your
life, especially considering you

1457
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,280
are somebody who's supposed to
be laying low.

1458
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,960
You know what I'm saying?
I just, I, I don't know, I just

1459
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,240
feel like Rand is not, he's not
really using his head.

1460
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:14,880
Well, he's not using the right
hand right now.

1461
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:20,120
So I don't know.
Damn it, Rand.

1462
01:26:20,440 --> 01:26:21,880
I don't trust this bitch,
though.

1463
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,600
I don't.
I don't like her.

1464
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,840
I don't trust her.
She.

1465
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,480
Yeah.
And see, at this point, if if I

1466
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:35,240
was ranked, if I was Rand, I'm
like, OK, this this is I mean,

1467
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:39,480
the block is hot now, literally
and figuratively, because it's

1468
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:44,320
like he he done burned down the
whole fucking building and low

1469
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,360
gain is low gain is Dragon is
stringing him along.

1470
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,520
I'm like, I got to get the fuck
up out of here, 'cause I'm, I'm

1471
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,960
about some something's going to
happen and I'm going to be

1472
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,120
that's going to be revealed and
I'm still fucking alive.

1473
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,920
Like this shit is getting way
too much for me.

1474
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,680
It's you got to go.
It started to bother me.

1475
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,200
It feels like they're all being
manipulated.

1476
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:08,080
Like yeah, Naive is being
manipulated, Rand is being

1477
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:13,160
manipulated, Parent is being
manipulated by Elias and now.

1478
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,080
Matt's getting.
Matt's being manipulated too.

1479
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,160
We're gonna get.
To that in a second oh, Speaking

1480
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:24,240
of of of chicks that we don't
trust and hate, can we talk

1481
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,720
about?
Let's talk about men.

1482
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,640
Let's let's talk about this
bitch.

1483
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:33,520
Let's talk about her.
Man, she is a piece of work,

1484
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:39,720
isn't she?
So I could have maybe looked

1485
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:44,880
over the fact that she was being
duplicitous if it was for

1486
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:50,640
anybody else, but you are
working for Leandron.

1487
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,840
And that answers your question
about how she couldn't tell that

1488
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,120
that they were going through the
wall, but she told her to she.

1489
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,560
Put them in.
As a matter of fact, she

1490
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:06,160
probably loosened up a lot of
the wall for him to get through.

1491
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:12,880
Yeah, could, could have, yeah.
But yeah, so, so after, after

1492
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:16,840
everything that happens with
Naive not coming back out of the

1493
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:21,640
third trial Leandron does, I
will say this for her.

1494
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:27,360
She does seem genuinely upset
and saddened by the fact that

1495
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,240
Naive did not make it through
the arch.

1496
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,520
Yeah, but you know why?
Why was she upset?

1497
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,720
She was upset because there's
this very strong person she was

1498
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,760
manipulating.
Oh, I know.

1499
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:39,640
I know isn't coming back saying
Dang.

1500
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:43,480
I fucked up, I I know.
But I also think that because,

1501
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:49,520
but, but I also think that
because Naive is so powerful, I

1502
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,280
do believe again that I said I
can't lie.

1503
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:56,360
I do believe Leandra when she
told Dwayne that she respected

1504
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:02,560
Naive because because she was
powerful.

1505
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:05,720
I mean, she called her, she was
already calling her a sister.

1506
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,240
So I think that that part was
genuine.

1507
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,840
She does respect her.
She does respect her power.

1508
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:15,560
Now she respects it because,
like you said, she wanted to be

1509
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,600
able to use it to manipulate.
I think she really wanted to try

1510
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:22,120
to get my knees to become a Red
ash.

1511
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:27,720
I really believe that because
someone with my knees power

1512
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:33,080
fighting with that particular
sect of acid, I man, please,

1513
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,680
they could get a lot of shit
done, especially when it comes

1514
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:40,640
to finding the men who can
channel and and doing all of

1515
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:41,840
that.
Oh yeah, and I need will be a

1516
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:46,640
powerful ally for all of that.
But you got to get her to go

1517
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,800
through all the other stuff and
and you know, sever her, her

1518
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,880
connection to that in order for
that to happen.

1519
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:59,360
This is a part of her
personality that would go along

1520
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:07,560
with the red Azure.
Yeah, she because she has she

1521
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:11,080
has some personality trait.
Yeah, I can see.

1522
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:14,320
It especially with the the
amount of control she likes to

1523
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:19,560
exercise over the people around
her that are close to her, is

1524
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:21,520
very similar to how the red Aja
are.

1525
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:26,360
So yeah, but you know, during
the age of legends, they didn't

1526
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,560
have Aja, they didn't have
different they, they all were

1527
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,480
Isodi.
There wasn't different sex.

1528
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,800
Yeah, OK.
But yeah.

1529
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,560
So it would it would make sense
that that they would all have

1530
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:43,200
the personality traits of all
the odds and some of them are

1531
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,960
stronger than others.
Yeah, yeah, I noticed that

1532
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:54,040
because when when I need came
out of the first arch and she

1533
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,520
had the stab wound in her
shoulder, Leanne was the one

1534
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,800
that healed her.
And I was like, she's a blue.

1535
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,480
I was like, OK, so they all can
do certain things.

1536
01:31:03,480 --> 01:31:07,200
It's just that like the yellow
Azure, they're probably more

1537
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,640
proficient in in healing because
remember.

1538
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,440
In in season 1, Lorraine was
like, I can do it.

1539
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,400
I'm just, I just need to get her
to get into Yellow Sister.

1540
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But so, yeah.

1541
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:26,360
So after all of that stuff
happens with Naive, Matt wakes

1542
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,200
up to Leandra standing in his
cell.

1543
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,560
And he was like, OK, so.
So what are you doing?

1544
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:34,520
She was like, yeah, the doors
open, you can go.

1545
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,680
And he was like, what are you
talking about?

1546
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,880
And she said, yeah, we lost a
sister today, someone who was

1547
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,200
very powerful, someone that I
respected.

1548
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:48,120
And it just kind of she was
like, I I realized that I should

1549
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:50,400
have been helping her, but
instead, for the last six

1550
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:54,800
months, I've been sitting here,
you know, babysitting you for

1551
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:56,520
Moraine.
And, I mean, she just really

1552
01:31:56,520 --> 01:32:00,680
starts kind of going off on that
just like, in that quiet but

1553
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:02,320
cruel way, just letting him
know.

1554
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,040
Yeah.
You know, you keep saying stuff

1555
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:06,920
about your friends left you or
whatever, but no, I know the

1556
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:08,480
truth.
You abandoned your friends.

1557
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:10,040
You left them.
You're a coward.

1558
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:10,480
You're.
No.

1559
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:15,280
I mean, she starts going in, and
then she was like, yeah, you can

1560
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:16,920
leave.
And he was like, so I'm just

1561
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:20,600
supposed to believe that I I've
been prisoner for six months.

1562
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,000
And then all of a sudden, not
only she was like, stay and go.

1563
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,840
I really don't give a fuck.
She was like, but you are

1564
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,480
wasting my time.
I want to have to look at you.

1565
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:32,120
That's basically the gist of it.
And she was like, yeah, you, you

1566
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:35,520
want to talk about your friends.
She was like, Iguaine is in this

1567
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:39,040
tower.
And if you care so much about

1568
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,040
your friends, she really needs
you right now.

1569
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:45,040
She doesn't tell him that it's
naive who, quote UN quote dies.

1570
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,400
But she was like, yeah, Iguaine
is here and she's going to need

1571
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:50,680
you right now.
And Matt actually leaves out.

1572
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,800
He sees a Gwen in the garden
crying, but he can't bring

1573
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:57,720
himself to approach her because
again, the last time she saw

1574
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,200
him, he kind of he.
Abandoned.

1575
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:02,920
Them.
Yeah, he abandoned them.

1576
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:06,520
Wouldn't go on the rest of the
adventure with them.

1577
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:11,800
And, you know, in some ways, you
got to think that she probably

1578
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,880
would think, well, if Matt had
been with us, maybe all of us

1579
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,560
would still be together.
Maybe we wouldn't be separated.

1580
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:18,840
Maybe this wouldn't have
happened.

1581
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,040
Maybe that wouldn't have
happened.

1582
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:22,560
And Matt is starting to feel
that.

1583
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,560
So he's like, yeah.
So he leaves.

1584
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:29,000
He goes back to the cell, tells
men he was like, hey, come over.

1585
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,040
And she comes over and she was
like, dude, your door is open.

1586
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,360
He was like, yeah, She was like,
why the fuck are you not out

1587
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:36,680
there?
Why are you in here?

1588
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:41,120
Like, what am I not getting?
They have a little conversation.

1589
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,000
She's like, OK, look, you can
sit here and wallow in yourself.

1590
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:48,360
Pity I'm going out there.
So she leaves, He follows her,

1591
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:50,360
and they decide that they're
going to leave.

1592
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,600
That's when we find out she's
working for Leandre.

1593
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:59,120
Matt the Andrew is a master
fucking manipulator.

1594
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,480
Like she fucking manipulated
that whole situation.

1595
01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:02,800
I don't think she was sad at
all.

1596
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,280
I think she just opened the
door.

1597
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,240
She was trying to convince him
to leave.

1598
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,920
That whole shit was playing like
she was like, OK, she was sad,

1599
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:11,960
but like I got I still got to
figure this shit out.

1600
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,720
So what I'm going to do is go
ahead and execute.

1601
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:18,440
Go ahead and push Plan B ahead
ahead of schedule and go ahead

1602
01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:21,360
and get him out of here because
I know he, I know he's not going

1603
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,040
to talk to a Dwayne because he
sees he's going to feel guilt.

1604
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:25,800
He's going to try to get out of
here, but he's going to try to

1605
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:30,000
get out of here with her.
So I was like this, she is like

1606
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,160
playing 3D chess with this
motherfucker.

1607
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,760
And he's, he's still playing tic
tac toe like he has.

1608
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,760
No, he acted like he has no idea
what the Hell's going on.

1609
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:41,160
I mean, he probably doesn't.
I mean, one, he's been locked

1610
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,040
away from everybody and
everything for six months.

1611
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,600
And even before that he really
wasn't himself because he was

1612
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,400
under the influence of the
dagger.

1613
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:54,800
And then before that he wasn't
himself because he was upset

1614
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,320
because he had leave everything
he loved, but everyone and

1615
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:02,520
everything he loved behind
because of all this Dragon

1616
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,600
Reborn stuff and the Trollec
attack and the fact that the

1617
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:10,040
trolls were after them.
And yeah, I, I don't think, I

1618
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:13,760
think it's just the point where
Matt is just like, what else in

1619
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:17,760
my life can go wrong?
Which is so crazy considering

1620
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:20,960
Anthony says that in the books.
Matt is lucky as hell.

1621
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:26,200
I'm like, they absolutely.
Absolutely trash this character.

1622
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:28,000
They really do.
They absolutely trash this.

1623
01:35:28,440 --> 01:35:32,680
But you know, the engine did try
that, that manipulating crap on

1624
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,520
Iguen and Iguen basically said
fuck around and find out.

1625
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,720
Right, right.
Now here's the thing.

1626
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,120
I was worried for her for a
second though.

1627
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,080
She's bad, but she's still
around.

1628
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:46,280
Yeah, and she said.
Fuck around.

1629
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,200
She said, Leanna, she was like,
you don't know what I'm capable

1630
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,920
of.
And I, I don't know.

1631
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,400
I, I kind of felt like Leandra
was like, oh, OK, if Naneeva's

1632
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:01,000
gone, maybe she'll do OK, let me
work on that a little bit.

1633
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,920
Because I mean, if you think
about it, how was she getting

1634
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,720
results out of Nanny?
She kept pushing her, kept

1635
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,000
pushing her.
He kept poking the bear, poking

1636
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:13,360
the bear.
But I will say this, Ewain is

1637
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:19,240
not the one to do that too.
Because Ewain will push back and

1638
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,840
she ain't afraid to try to use
her powers, no.

1639
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,000
Right.
She could be gentle like, you

1640
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:30,320
know, gentle and concerned like
Nanny, you know.

1641
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,720
Because Nyneve is and, and I
don't even want to say gentle

1642
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,080
and concerned when it comes to
Nyneve.

1643
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,880
Nyneve just don't want to have
to deal with that shit.

1644
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,640
Well, she don't really want to
hurt nobody that's.

1645
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:42,440
Her.
Well, yeah, that too.

1646
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:45,880
Yeah, Wayne.
She she'll do it and then be

1647
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,200
like, oh, did I hurt you like
with Valder?

1648
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,400
I don't think she'll.
I don't think she'll ask with

1649
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:54,080
Leandrine because in her eyes
Leandrine is the reason why

1650
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:57,360
Nyneve is supposedly dead.
So she'll.

1651
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,280
Be dead.
Oops, my bad.

1652
01:36:59,960 --> 01:37:03,800
Right, right.
I can't lie, I wanted to see

1653
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,200
that fight when they were up
there.

1654
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:07,800
When she confronted her, I was
like, I know you're not ready.

1655
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,280
Not yet.
Wayne's not ready for that yet.

1656
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:13,600
I do want to see a showdown, but
she's not ready for that yet.

1657
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:14,720
I.
Was like, I was like, I'm

1658
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:19,040
interested in seeing that.
Like because she she straight

1659
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,280
stood her ground when she
shouldn't have been standing her

1660
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,440
ground.
I was like, I OK, I see what?

1661
01:37:24,440 --> 01:37:27,840
I see you right there.
Yeah.

1662
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,280
Just let her, let her get a
little bit more powerful, let

1663
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,400
her get a little bit more
control.

1664
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:38,760
I think she'll be alright.
I I think Leandro needs to kind

1665
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,880
of keep one eye over her
shoulder.

1666
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,640
Especially now since Nyneve is
back.

1667
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:53,160
Because Nyneve got a whole lot
to be angry about.

1668
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:57,400
True.
And what she's probably going to

1669
01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:01,760
think first thing is that bitch
put me up to this.

1670
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:06,920
She put me through this.
She was the one who suggested

1671
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,560
that I go ahead and take this
test.

1672
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,480
She is the reason I am in there.
And she'll probably think, oh,

1673
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:16,520
and Leandrine probably knew what
was going to happen because it

1674
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,640
was something about the way
Leandrine kept looking at her

1675
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,560
and saying some of the things
that she was saying to her

1676
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,920
before she started her trials.
And she was basically like,

1677
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,120
yeah, you going to go through
some shit.

1678
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,160
But that's part of the plan.
That's part of the process.

1679
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:37,800
It's like, you, you're feeding
her black licorice and making

1680
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:39,880
her think that is banana
pudding.

1681
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:43,640
It's like, yeah, What?
What?

1682
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:45,400
Huh.
God damn.

1683
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:51,880
I'm just saying it's like Ron.
I'm like, that's a, that's a,

1684
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:57,320
that's a high tier manipulation.
I'm just saying, it's like Ron

1685
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:00,280
reading the tea leaves.
You're going to suffer, but

1686
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:01,840
you're going to be happy about
it.

1687
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:03,760
That's kind of the way Leandro
was.

1688
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:08,240
I mean, it's like, yeah, you're
going to go through some pain,

1689
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,040
but we all go through it.
But you're going to come out

1690
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,960
better on the other side.
You're going to come out

1691
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:15,120
stronger on the other side.
Yeah.

1692
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:20,040
And I need might have a couple
of things to say about that.

1693
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:23,920
So, yeah, I think Leandra just
needs to kind of like keep that

1694
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:27,320
one eye looking over her
shoulder for the time being,

1695
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,880
because now you got several
people pissed at you.

1696
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,760
And then I don't know what this
deal is she got going on with

1697
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,920
men.
I don't know what it is that she

1698
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:40,960
has on men to make men be like,
OK, yes, I'm going to follow the

1699
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:46,960
crazy red Asha.
But if she pisses men off or if

1700
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,720
she does the wrong thing or if
she doesn't hold up her end of

1701
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,800
the deal, which again, she is
one of those eyes to die who can

1702
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:57,280
kind of talk around what she
really means.

1703
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,280
So it's possible that can
happen.

1704
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:01,880
Yeah, she gonna have some
problems.

1705
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:07,000
And I'm just I I'm here for it.
Like I said, I don't like that

1706
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:11,720
character.
And yeah, any, any type of

1707
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:15,920
discomfort.
That can be brought about her

1708
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:22,440
person I am here for.
Yeah, but I don't know, I think

1709
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,800
I got a feeling that they're
going to make us feel some kind

1710
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,960
of way about about her towards
the end of so in in one episode,

1711
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,120
they're going to make us feel
kind of bad towards her.

1712
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,920
I don't want.
No redemption story I don't

1713
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:37,880
want.
No redemption arc I don't want

1714
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:40,920
no.
No sympathy, no nothing, none of

1715
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,600
that.
Nothing, nothing, 'cause if you

1716
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,520
were gonna, if you were gonna
make me feel it, I would have

1717
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,960
felt it when she was sitting
there crying over her son.

1718
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:51,800
But the way she treated and I
need, when I need was just

1719
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:52,920
trying to help.
Yeah.

1720
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:55,000
No, bitch, I ain't got no
sympathy for you.

1721
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:59,800
None, none.
How about you get a little blood

1722
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:05,600
on that red Asha outfit and die?
I don't like her, No.

1723
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:14,000
So anyway, anyway, let's see, we
did not get any more rain in

1724
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:17,800
this episode, thank goodness.
Because like I said, she's kind

1725
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:23,560
of getting on my nerves too.
And yeah, we we mostly focused

1726
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:26,920
on the four, huh?
He's hella Debbie Downer in the

1727
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:28,760
season.
I'm like, every time I see her,

1728
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:31,040
I'm like, oh God, what do you
want about now?

1729
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,520
Like, like, it's like, like
she's like, she's Gen.

1730
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:35,200
Z.
It's just like that line of

1731
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:38,400
Deadpool Wolverine, like oh Gen.
Z and your.

1732
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,320
Oh, my God.
Well, I mean, like I said, I

1733
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:45,480
understand what she's going
through because she's lost a

1734
01:41:45,480 --> 01:41:52,160
major part of herself, but just.
OK, we'll we'll see how she is

1735
01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:57,840
in in the next episode.
Yeah, I think that that was it.

1736
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:02,360
This, this whole episode focused
on the Two Rivers people, and

1737
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:07,240
yeah, they're, they all going
through some stuff right now,

1738
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:09,800
except for Matt.
Look, except for Matt, Matt

1739
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:14,520
seems to be the only person who
is having a good day right now,

1740
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:17,680
and that should be worrying in
and of itself.

1741
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:21,280
It seems to be a good day.
Seems to be a good day.

1742
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:22,320
It's.
Not a good day.

1743
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:27,560
I mean, for him right now, it is
because he's no longer under

1744
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:31,600
Leandro's control.
He's no longer sitting just in

1745
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,920
that, in that one little space
because I'm, I'm sitting here.

1746
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:41,840
No, I'm, I'm just saying that's
why, that's why I said he thinks

1747
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:45,280
in, in his mind, he's having a
good day.

1748
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:49,600
He, he's not stuck in a cell
anymore with that fake wardrobe.

1749
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:53,920
And I'm sitting here thinking,
like, how was he using the

1750
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:56,360
bathroom?
Did he, did he get a chance to

1751
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,160
bathe?
Like, like, did she just keep

1752
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:02,800
him smelly and stinky in that
cell for six months?

1753
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:05,280
You think, yeah, he's having a
very good day.

1754
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:08,960
He's out.
He's got horses, he's got food,

1755
01:43:09,120 --> 01:43:13,480
he's got a he's got a pleasant
companion with him.

1756
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:17,000
Everything's hunky Dory in
Matt's world right now, which

1757
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,000
tells me it's it's about to fall
apart in a major way.

1758
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:20,640
I.
Do like.

1759
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,640
Because he's with somebody who
can see, who can see into the

1760
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:27,160
future somewhat.
So I mean, either either she

1761
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:31,040
can, she's going to help him or
she's going to like kind of step

1762
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:33,040
aside when something happens,
so.

1763
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,760
He doesn't know she can.
She can see the future.

1764
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:37,400
Yeah, she said.
She told.

1765
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:42,360
She told him in the last Yeah.
But I like when when the Leandra

1766
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,840
came in and he was like, oh, are
you here to kill me?

1767
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,200
Or did you thought, oh, he's
kind of handsome?

1768
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:53,880
I was like Matt, really like
Matt Let.

1769
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:58,280
Matt, be Matt.
Look, you were the one who said

1770
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:01,280
in the last episode, I don't
think I'm her type.

1771
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:06,880
I think she likes her men dead.
He is not looking to Matt, but

1772
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,600
try to be charming if you want.
Right.

1773
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:16,520
Yeah, this this episode I will
say I enjoyed more than the

1774
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:22,200
first two, mainly because we did
get to see a lot about Naive

1775
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:25,600
like I think we had learned in
the first season about her

1776
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:29,080
parents dying and you know, the
little the little saying that

1777
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:33,320
her dad says before before he
leaves her and he's killed.

1778
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:39,400
But to see it it, it was strange
because when she walks through

1779
01:44:39,400 --> 01:44:42,360
that arc and she has the hair
down and she's look, she's

1780
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,680
literally dressed like a little
girl when she's running through

1781
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:49,320
the field fields.
I was like, she really does look

1782
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:54,080
like a big ass kid.
And then you see what she had to

1783
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:55,840
go through.
Now this is the thing.

1784
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,320
When her dad was sitting there,
he was like, what's that?

1785
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,960
And then you start seeing the
things moving in the woods.

1786
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:08,320
You don't stand there while they
come out of hiding dude.

1787
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:11,400
It like why are you still
standing there?

1788
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:14,400
Why are you not already running?
I mean, I can't.

1789
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:18,320
She's being manipulated, so
that's how she don't maybe not

1790
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,560
quite remember exactly what
happened because she was a

1791
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,960
little kid.
Yeah, but I was like why are

1792
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:26,920
y'all still standing there?
But I would say it is not.

1793
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:29,480
His Mama was a bad ass.
I see where she gets it from.

1794
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:34,760
That was I mean.
Her Mama was a badass.

1795
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,960
Mama was a badass.
Like straight badass.

1796
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,840
I.
I like this episode more than

1797
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:48,000
the first two and I just wanted
to say I I do like this episode

1798
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:52,440
seem to actually have a shift
into season 2.

1799
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:56,360
Like I think the first two
episodes still felt like season

1800
01:45:56,360 --> 01:46:00,440
1 and this one felt like
everything was starting to

1801
01:46:00,440 --> 01:46:03,840
shift, like the characters are
starting to shift a little bit.

1802
01:46:04,440 --> 01:46:06,840
Like, yeah.
Getting away from where they

1803
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:10,800
were in Season 1.
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

1804
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:18,680
It, it did feel like a, a, a
change, yeah, especially since

1805
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:24,120
it, I think the first two
episodes it just kind of felt

1806
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:29,840
like they weren't aside from
maybe Moraine and Land.

1807
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:34,680
I think it felt like they were
just kind of stuck.

1808
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:39,320
I mean, even with and maybe with
parent, because parents group is

1809
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:42,920
actually moving.
They're actually on a particular

1810
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:44,480
mission.
They're trying to find Pat and

1811
01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:46,680
fame.
So you see some movement with

1812
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:51,280
that, but everybody else was
just kind of there, like Matt is

1813
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,880
stuck in this one room.
It Gwen and I knee were kind of

1814
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:58,360
stuck in the tower, except, you
know, when I knee sneaks out.

1815
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:01,840
But yeah, it did feel like they
were just kind of stagnant.

1816
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:08,400
And now it feels like some fresh
air has entered the room and and

1817
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:09,840
now we're starting to move
forward.

1818
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:13,720
So I mean, we're already 3
episodes down now.

1819
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,600
This is only a episode season.
So you got 5 episodes to make a

1820
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:21,560
lot of stuff happen 'cause the
story has to pick up at this

1821
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,880
point, it has to.
You can't keep going.

1822
01:47:25,240 --> 01:47:28,400
You can't keep going at the pace
that you're going.

1823
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:32,640
It's moving too slow.
Because if you think about the

1824
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:37,520
1st 2 episodes where they've
been hunting for the horn for

1825
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:41,920
five months and Gwen and 9 Eve
have been sticking the tower for

1826
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:45,480
five months.
Cleaning for five months.

1827
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:50,160
For five months, Rand has been
doing God knows what, laying low

1828
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:53,040
in from the gate.
Look working, working in the

1829
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,880
working in the asylum, trying to
get access to the outside for

1830
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:59,160
five.
Months, right?

1831
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,800
So you're right.
And sleeping with a sneaky bitch

1832
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:06,680
for five months.
So we finally get them and Matt

1833
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,920
has been locked up.
For five months.

1834
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:14,440
So we finally got some movement.
Yes.

1835
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:17,080
In episode 3.
Yeah, you know.

1836
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:21,120
Finally got some.
Like, everybody's moving out to

1837
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:23,960
to something.
I mean, even even though Naive

1838
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:27,080
and Iguane are still in the
tower, I mean, technically

1839
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:31,840
speaking, Naive got to leave.
I mean, she got to.

1840
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:34,720
Leave like 8 years?
How old's that girl?

1841
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,000
8-9 years.
Old.

1842
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,960
I don't think she was quite that
old.

1843
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:40,360
She might have been like maybe 5
or 6.

1844
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:47,680
But I mean, yeah, if you can, if
you can go through that much

1845
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:54,200
life in just a couple of hours,
then I just, I know I'm going to

1846
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:58,480
hate the next episode just in
the fact that we're going to

1847
01:48:58,480 --> 01:49:00,320
have to see her deal with her
grief.

1848
01:49:00,360 --> 01:49:03,400
And that's going to be hard to
watch because she's going to

1849
01:49:03,400 --> 01:49:07,040
have to deal with that grief
really by herself because she

1850
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:08,480
has no one else she can share it
with.

1851
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:13,680
Like, she can tell a Wayne and
Dwayne can feel upset for her,

1852
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,200
but because she wasn't there,
she didn't experience it.

1853
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:19,280
Like these are these are not
real tangible people to her.

1854
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,840
So there's only so much she's
going to be able to understand.

1855
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:24,880
Yeah.
So.

1856
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:28,880
And then I just, I don't even
want to imagine Leandrin finding

1857
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,720
out that Naive is alive and how
her reaction is going to be.

1858
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:34,000
She's probably going to be like,
oh, tell us what happened in

1859
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:37,880
there and Block.
Is there going to be kind of a

1860
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:43,560
some something for her, not for
them, Not like washing, washing

1861
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:45,280
her sins away after she comes
out?

1862
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:52,120
I, I don't know, 'cause I mean,
Leandron did kind of break the,

1863
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:54,920
the, the, you know.
Urns.

1864
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:58,440
I'm sure they have plenty of
urns, right?

1865
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:00,400
Yeah.
But it's, but it's but is that

1866
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:01,880
good?
Is that going to be something

1867
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:08,120
that's going to cause an issue?
No, because technically she went

1868
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:11,600
through all three and came back.
So let's.

1869
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:14,920
Be have to have her have her
sins washed away or anything

1870
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:19,560
like the first 2.
I think the the important part

1871
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:21,160
of the ritual is coming back
through.

1872
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:24,760
OK.
You know, so technically she

1873
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:29,360
should be raised to accept it.
OK.

1874
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:33,680
You know, she made if she wants
to be, that's going to be the

1875
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,320
same.
Does she still want it?

1876
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:43,160
So OK y'all have final thoughts
on this episode?

1877
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,920
Yes, chow to Leanne after Nanny
didn't come back.

1878
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,360
Like giving the Andrews a side
eye.

1879
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,960
It's like yeah, she's gone, it's
your fault bitch.

1880
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:57,600
And walking out.
So that wasn't all that pleased

1881
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:01,840
either.
This your fault that she's dead

1882
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:05,400
and I hope you, I hope you have
to wear this on your conscience

1883
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,840
because I know I will have it
all mine like y'all know?

1884
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:14,080
Yeah, y'all already knew what
this woman was like.

1885
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:18,320
Y'all literally told her she
couldn't train novices but yet

1886
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:22,840
y'all want to let her rush a
novice through without having

1887
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,520
without.
Nanny has not channeled since

1888
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:29,560
she been in the God damn tower.
This is one, this is 1�� run.

1889
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:32,280
The reasons why they probably
didn't want her training anybody

1890
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,440
because because she was going to
she was going to do something

1891
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:37,960
like this.
And that's why I got to be

1892
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:41,040
honest, I really don't like
Shereen Sharim.

1893
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:44,400
I like there's something about
her.

1894
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:47,640
I'm just like, no, like like she
gets on my nerves.

1895
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:50,720
She just seems she.
'Cause she, she seems like she

1896
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,520
goes by the rules, but then she
doesn't go by the rules.

1897
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:57,920
It's like like.
She why have you met the

1898
01:51:57,920 --> 01:51:59,920
isodide?
They all do it.

1899
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:02,000
That's.
What I'm saying but but but it's

1900
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,360
like she's like the embodiment
of it and it's like.

1901
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:07,840
I just think she's very
detached.

1902
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:14,440
I think she's detached, but not
as detached as maybe she should

1903
01:52:14,440 --> 01:52:18,960
be or maybe she wants to be.
Because I think if she were, she

1904
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:22,520
wouldn't be as upset with 9.
What happened with 9 need.

1905
01:52:22,520 --> 01:52:27,200
But I think the thing with 9
need may not necessarily be

1906
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:32,760
because they lost naive as a
person, but more so we lost the

1907
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:34,200
most.
Powerful I've.

1908
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:41,120
Seen in the last 1000 years,
yeah, yeah, so.

1909
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:42,960
But they but they but that's
their fault.

1910
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:46,040
It's like they they're the ones
that this, this, this all goes

1911
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:48,680
back to her saying, Oh, she's
untrainable.

1912
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:51,720
I want to train her.
I mean then just like why would

1913
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:55,120
you saying?
Yes, 'cause Alana sat there and

1914
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:57,440
told Sharon to die.
She was like, I don't think this

1915
01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,200
is a good idea.
It's not a good idea, Yeah.

1916
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:03,960
It is.
I mean, it's like, why would you

1917
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:08,120
give somebody who is resistant
to training to someone who's

1918
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:13,560
going to I I understand giving,
giving her somebody who's gonna

1919
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:18,640
push her like, OK, maybe that'll
help her finally realize which

1920
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,560
these do or help her get get in
line and do all this other

1921
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:24,480
stuff.
But somebody who you don't trust

1922
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:30,880
with regular regular trainees,
you're going to give her naive.

1923
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:34,400
Her.
The one the one the one that

1924
01:53:34,440 --> 01:53:38,040
that makes that like makes even
women think that that she's

1925
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:41,240
going to kill him.
It's like nobody, nobody likes

1926
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:42,800
her.
Nobody trusts her.

1927
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,360
Why are you giving this woman
the most power, one most

1928
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,960
powerful Chandlers you've seen
in a long time Like that was a

1929
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:54,880
that's a recipe for disaster.
It's like y'all deserve

1930
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:57,480
everything you get.
I have no sympathy for you.

1931
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:01,000
Last 1000 years?
That sounds like a drinking

1932
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:04,080
game.
Right, exactly, you could be

1933
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,280
getting drunk for 1000 years
'cause you fucked it up.

1934
01:54:06,840 --> 01:54:12,800
Yeah, OK, so we don't have to
deal with 90s grief in the next

1935
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:14,360
episode.
We're going to have to deal with

1936
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:18,760
Rand's guilt for burning down
the house.

1937
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:22,640
I.
Just Oh no, I just realized

1938
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:27,520
something watching the end of
her second trip.

1939
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:34,760
I think this was a flash of that
vision with the red dress

1940
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,760
because I realized the axe and
all this stuff was what was

1941
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:42,200
happening while she was in the
red dress.

1942
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:48,920
It's the same stuff.
Oh, but.

1943
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:50,080
What?
She was almost like.

1944
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:53,920
It was almost like she didn't
remember what happened and did

1945
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:59,400
it again.
Oh, does that make sense?

1946
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:07,480
Yes, yes.
Look at that theory coming out.

1947
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:08,720
Good job man.
It's not a theory.

1948
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:12,720
It's not a theory 'cause I just
realized, 'cause I saw the

1949
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:16,320
child, the child with an axe and
that's why she has blood.

1950
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:21,480
It was from him.
And that's probably why she took

1951
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:26,400
the the thing from his head too,
because he was gone and she

1952
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:29,840
wanted something to remember
him.

1953
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:33,400
Yeah.
OK, I'm gonna go back and look

1954
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:36,720
at that scene, but.
Cease to realize she couldn't.

1955
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:38,560
She didn't know.
She couldn't bring anything back

1956
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:44,280
to the arch because when she
came back through, she had she

1957
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:47,280
had the the dagger and she had
the thing in her hand.

1958
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,200
Oh.
Yeah, so that's why she thought

1959
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:52,680
she could bring her daughter
through.

1960
01:55:57,400 --> 01:55:58,880
That's nothing.
The reason why I thought it was

1961
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:01,840
all one trial because it's like,
you know, she brought it through

1962
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:04,120
once, but she didn't bring it
through when she finally broke

1963
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:06,800
through the last time, like.
Yeah, but the daughter is a

1964
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:09,440
living breathing thing and
that's there's probably rude.

1965
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:11,080
Still a thing though.
It's still something you're

1966
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:13,040
bringing from.
She shouldn't have been able to

1967
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:15,160
bring anything back.
Right.

1968
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,160
But she, I don't think.
But she didn't know that.

1969
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:25,000
And the the thing tricked her
into thinking she could because

1970
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,360
it had her bring it through the
first time.

1971
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:32,640
Even though she was still in the
arch, she thought she brought

1972
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:37,000
something through.
Yeah, that was well, that was

1973
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:37,920
very.
Interesting.

1974
01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:42,280
One long ass trial.
Yeah, 1 long ass trial because

1975
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:46,440
then you made her realize she
could still lose him because she

1976
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:47,840
picked.
Yeah, she picked her up because

1977
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:50,120
she's like, OK, I did it before,
I can do it again.

1978
01:56:50,680 --> 01:56:53,720
Not realizing it was the actual.
She was still in the trial.

1979
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:56,960
Sweet.
You're under something, Mike.

1980
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:03,160
You were OK.
Interesting, that's something to

1981
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:05,160
ponder.
Yeah, 'cause I I at the corner

1982
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:08,600
of my eye, I realized, why does
this look just like the scene

1983
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:10,960
from when she was in a red
dress?

1984
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:13,280
It was clips from that same
thing.

1985
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:17,160
OK, Yeah.
You know, you know, you know.

1986
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:19,240
You're saying about sudden dog's
ass?

1987
01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:28,760
The sun shines on the dog's ass
twice a day.

1988
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:31,360
Something like that.
OK.

1989
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:34,160
And on that note, that is it for
it's.

1990
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:37,480
Your saying dog is your saying
I've.

1991
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:41,960
Never said I've.
Seen Hope is a place where

1992
01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:46,760
dreams go to die is my.
Yeah, and he also says a clock,

1993
01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:49,480
a broken clock is right twice a
day and.

1994
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:53,760
Also, don't pee on me and call
it rain, which is.

1995
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:57,320
OK, on that note, that is it for
our show.

1996
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:01,880
You can find us on online at
www.fandomhybrid.com.

1997
01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:06,200
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1998
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:08,600
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You can chat with us on our

1999
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:10,960
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2000
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:13,880
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2001
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:17,000
streaming platforms.
Thanks for listening.

2002
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:19,400
We'll be enjoying the
conversation next time.