The Wheel of Time S2E4 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #342

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and Mike and we are
discussing season 2, episode 4

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of the Wheel of Time series.
And you know what?

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We don't let you pick wherever
we want to start with this

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episode.
We all called Serena being bad.

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Like we knew it.
Like there was no there was.

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I mean, that was just so
obvious.

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But the way she did it, I was
like, oh, that's what she's a

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problem.
Like she is a big problem for

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Ran and Moraine and anyone else,
anyone else that comes in

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contact with her, basically
she's she's she's a problem.

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Yep.
I was just like, it's just like

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we kind of figured it when she
said I'm not afraid and let him

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channel when they were doing it.
And I was just like, you never

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having sex.
I was just like, really?

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I just want we we'll circle back
to Mike in about 30 seconds.

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I just want to say, can I get
some of that you'll being read?

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Because I swear that must be
some good ass wine.

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Listen Mike, you got some What
you drinking on we.

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Got a little guilt, a little bit
of guilty in it, a little bit of

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guilty, Guil.
I'm just saying, first thing

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Maria asked for, you'll give me
a bottle of Gildan Red out of

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it.
Logane wants some Gildan Red,

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and if you have to go to the
highfalutin, you know, noble

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party to get some Gildan red.
What?

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What?
Come on now.

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Well, I mean, well, we kind of
see that Morena just your

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average girl, like she actually
comes from some money, looks

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like, and she has some well, her
family, let me say her family

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has some standing in the city.
Her sister made that very, very

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clear in this episode.
Well, it it the way that her

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sister sounded.
It was like we had something.

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Then the uncle screwed it all
up.

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We had nothing.
Then you abandoned us.

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Her father died, and I'm picking
up the pieces.

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And now I finally got us back to
where we're supposed to be.

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But you know.
She's messed up.

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Yeah.
Yeah, it was interesting to find

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out that Lady Anver, who was the
the person who was approaching

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Rand in the last episode at the
party, that that is Moraine's

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younger sister.
Not even just younger sister,

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little sister like in years.
Yeah, 'cause they show the

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portrait of her.
They're, they're at least, I

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don't know, 20 years apart.
I don't know if I would say 20

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years apart because Moraine did
still look kind of young, but I

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would say at least 10.
At the minimum. 10.

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At the minimum.
And the 15, yeah.

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But she looked like a grown
woman in her portrait, and her

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sister looked like a kid.
No, no, if you look at the

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portrait a a little closely, her
face, it's almost like they took

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her face now and it's they, they
kind of softened it and they,

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they made it have a little more
youthful look because when I

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looked at her, I said, oh, she
must have been a teenager then

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because of the way that they
painted it.

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But either way it goes, she's
very much older.

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But you can't tell it because of
the, the power, the one power

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and what it does it slow.
You know, they say it slows down

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the aging.
So she walks in and her like I

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will say this lady on there
didn't skip a beat.

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No, she she just she went with
the conversation.

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Moraine comes in.
Hello, little sister.

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You look well.
You look well too.

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And I was just like, this is a
very interesting dynamic with

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these two.
The side note is it in?

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It's a pretty cool call back to
season 1 when Moraine ran into

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Balda and she was saying that
she was a lady from a noble

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house and she wasn't lying.
She was not, which, you know, I

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didn't even think about that
until now because of the whole,

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hey, she can't lie.
But I mean, I just automatically

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assumed that.
I mean, if you think about it,

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Tarvalan is also, I mean, you
know, the White Tower is also an

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ancient house.
So technically speaking, she

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wouldn't have been lying with
that either.

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Yeah, she would have been.
You think that would have been a

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lie?
Oh.

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OK, because she would have had
to say that she was not to die

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and and that's not what she
wanted to do.

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Yeah, let's just tell the truth.
OK.

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But yeah, I just, I just thought
it was, it was cool that we can,

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you know, follow circle back to
that, you know, all that.

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Yeah, yeah.
So I think it's very

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interesting.
What we found out in this

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episode with Moraine is that one
Moraine has been busy behind the

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scenes, even without her power.
Yeah, to quote the great

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philosopher Anderson Park, this
bitch is doing all this bullshit

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behind the fuck the shit with
low gain got me.

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I was just like, like, OK, she
knew he was there.

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OK, fine.
She wants him.

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She it really is getting him
there to train Rand.

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Yeah, she was going to put him
there.

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Yeah, I'm like, bitch, really?
Yeah, which also, I guess in a

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way, kind of, I don't
necessarily want to say it

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explains why Rand is also in the
same city because it's not like

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she told Rand where to go.
Maybe she hinted at it during

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one of their last conversations
that, you know, we didn't get to

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see.
But it kind of sort of makes

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sense that she would have both
of these very dangerous people.

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Even though Logane doesn't have
the power like you said Anthony,

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he was able to gather millions
by his side in an army so that

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still does make 10s.
Of thousands.

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Well, yeah, OK, 10s of
thousands.

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A lot of people.
A lot of people.

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A lot of people.
Let's just say a lot of people.

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Big number for the real time.
World OK, so a lot of people, a

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lot of people, but he does have
that charisma.

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He does have that, you know,
that does make him dangerous, as

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you've been saying.
So the fact that she has, again,

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we're going to keep using that
word, manipulated the situation

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so that both of them are in the
same city and oh, it just

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happens to be the town that
she's from.

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I was like, OK, I think I have a
have a little bit more respect

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for Moraine because up through
this point, you kind of, you

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know, she has the skills of the
isodies.

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You know, she has the cunning,
you know, she has the ability to

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kind of, I don't want to
necessarily say twist words, but

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she knows how to, she knows how
to get across what she needs to

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without, like you said, crossing
that line between truth and lie.

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But the fact that she's been
manipulating all of this this

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whole time, I was just like, OK,
she found a way to keep Rand

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safe while also keeping an eye
on him.

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And she's also, I don't know how
she was able to get low gain out

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the tower because he told her.
He said, if it were up to your

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sisters, I would be riding in
the dungeon in the White Tower.

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So I was like, how did she get
there?

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No, they would have been
experimenting on his ass.

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That would have been.
Yeah, but he yeah, he would have

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been in the dungeon because
they're not going to experiment

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him on on him 24/7.
He got to have somewhere to lay

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his head for a minute.
But I was just like, how did she

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get him out of the tower?
Because I think in the last

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episode we were discussing, we
were trying to figure out how

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did the gang get there?
How did he get there?

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Yeah.
Don't remember but I do know she

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was trying to get him away from
from the other Ajas.

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Especially the red Aja.
Because she knew she needed him

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and and they might have might
have killed him.

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She needed him to to teach Ran
right.

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But you know, I when we started
on this journey of the wheel of

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time, I told you, like all the
different Ajas have their traits

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or characteristics.
I think I remember saying the

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Blue Aja was like the CIA.
So even without their power,

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even without their power,
without her power, she still has

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that network.
Yeah, even her sister's like,

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well, all your eyes and ears
that you thought you had are now

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mine.
Listen.

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But.
But before we get to that.

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So.
Yeah.

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So she still has, she still has,
you know, all the things that

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she's put in place, all the
manipulations that her and and

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her other Blues have have gotten
going.

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So it's it's very interesting to
see that.

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And I'm glad we all know this,
recognize that even without her

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power, she's still a pretty
formidable person.

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Yeah.
And most eyes to die are pretty

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well trained in the game of
houses.

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So they they can play the game
just just as well as anyone that

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that's where they're taught in
the tower, their whole setup,

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the politics of the tower is
instruction in the game of

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houses.
So.

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OK, yeah, but let's let's
backtrack a little bit.

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Let's go to this confrontation
with her and lady on there.

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Because when Moraine gets there,
first of all, you haven't seen

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your family in decades, decades.
Like like you said, the uncle

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then ruin the house.
The father has been waiting for

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his daughter to come home or
rain never went home, never went

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home.
Your your dad passed.

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We don't know what the situation
was with her mother, whether her

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mother was still alive when she
became I said I whatever, but

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her dad, she was her dad's
favorite and she left to be a

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eyes to die.
And as the sister said, she

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abandoned them.
So her sister, apparently, as a

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child idolized Moraine, looked
up to her, you know, wanted to

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be like her.
And it's so interesting because

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you can see Moraine when she
gets into her, her rooms, her

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old rooms, and she has her
private moments.

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You can see the emotion of being
back home and how it's affecting

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her.
Not a lot.

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She's still keeping it kind of
close to the vest, but you can

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see that she is emotional about
being back there.

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However, when she's with her
sister, she's very cold.

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She's very straight to the point
and she's very like, I don't

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have time for this.
I came here to do this.

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I need to lay low and stuff.
And her sister's look alike.

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It's been decades.
Can you at least sit down and

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have some tea with me, maybe for
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I got stuff to do it.
She walks out.

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I was like, oh, OK, Is this
another episode?

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What?
I'm a where I'm a look at

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Moraine and be like, you are
such a bitch.

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I mean, literally your sister is
old.

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OK, She looks like she could be
your grandmother the way that

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they have, you know, her makeup.
And it's so weird because

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there's some some scenes in the
episode, like the very first

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scene where they make a, a
showing of all the wrinkles on

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her face and just the way time,
you know, has been kind or

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hasn't been kind to lady on
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And then of course we find out
that she's Marine's little

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sister because you know, of all
that stuff.

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But then later on in the episode
she looks completely different.

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I don't know if y'all noticed
that she almost looks, I don't

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know, she looks more polished.
She doesn't look as old.

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And I don't know if that was on
purpose, you know, because at

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this point, when she looks like
that, at least to me, she's

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pissed off at Marine.
She's already found out some of

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the stuff that Marine has been
up to.

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And she's just to the point
where she was like, Marine, if

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you don't sit your ass down and
have a God damn cup of tea with

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me, I was just like, this woman
is a she's not very loud spoken,

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but she's very formidable.
I'm like, OK, Spitfires must run

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in the de Madrid family because
Moraine is really being

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dismissive of her.
And her sister was like, oh,

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yeah, So all these people you've
been going around talking to

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today.
Yeah, I know.

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And then she starts calling them
by name, which is crazy because

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that's like to say you may have
your connections, but my

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connections are worth more
because I care about these

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people as persons.
No, she just said all your eyes

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and ears and now my.
Eyes mute yes, but how do you

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but how do you get that you have
to for something like that you

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have to invest in people.
It doesn't have to be a big

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investment.
But the fact that she knows all

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of those servants by name that
you know, it's like she formed

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those connections as well and
she's like OK, yeah.

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So this little red headed boy
you walking around looking for I

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can tell you where he is, but
you going to come sit your ass

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down and have a cup of tea with
me?

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I was like OK, I like her.
She was giving a little bit of

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that Izbo vibe to me.
Yeah, I, I, I was waiting for it

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too.
I was like, she got to give a,

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she has to give a little bit of
it a.

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Little bit, a little bit and
then.

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When they.
I I think it was just an

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inconsistent makeup because they
took such care in making her

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look old in the beginning that
they didn't take that much care

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later.
So she looks like she normally

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looks.
Yeah, yeah.

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And then like the part where
they were seeing at the fire

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where Lorraine says, I'm proud
of you.

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And she and she was like,
thanks.

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But you know what?
I'm actually to the point my

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life where I could give a fuck.
She's like, I really don't care

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what you think now.
Like, I literally had to pull

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this family up by the bootstraps
and put us where we need it to

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be.
Because I was thinking this at

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the beginning of the episode.
I said it must be nice to be

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able to wake up, get out the
bed, fix your hair, put on your

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robe, just to go into your
parlor and lounge and sit and

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sip.
On some.

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Tea, right?
Like, like she's about to have

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the, the grapes over her head.
I was like, OK, that must be a

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nice life.
But she you know what?

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She fought to have that life
when when her uncle betrayed

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them, her sister abandoned them,
Her father died.

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She said what?
She had to go to the neighbors

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to beg for food, leftovers from
party.

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She was like, you don't know
what's that what that's like.

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She was like, but I do.
And I brought this family back

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to where we are supposed to be.
And now my son is about to marry

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the queen and no one will spit
on the name of House de Madrid

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ever again.
I was like, you go girl.

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Tell your sister like I don't
need you in your eyes to die.

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Bullshit.
I did it.

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I was actually very impressed.
I was too.

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That was awesome.
I think she was more proud that

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she could tell Moraine and show
her that she did it without her

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help than actually doing it.
I think that's what she's been

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waiting on like the whole time
is like doing it and it's fine,

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OK, we're back where we need to
be.

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But Moraine hasn't seen seen
that I've done this yet.

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So now she's actually complete
and she's like, OK, cool.

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Yeah, which is kind of one of
those.

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I don't need you in your powers
like you need your powers to do

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what you got to do.
I did this all by myself.

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To see what what the little folk
don't realize about Eyes to Die

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is that the world is much bigger
and there are things that are

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way more important.
Yeah, than worrying about the

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state of your house.
Oh yeah, I can.

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I can.
Yeah.

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So for Marine, yeah, maybe it
might dig her a little bit, but

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she knows that the work that
she's doing, that she's involved

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in, is literally the fate of the
entire universe.

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Yeah.
You know, I mean, when you think

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about it should be, I mean, her
sister's basically doing this

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for Marine because her sister's
getting raped going to die and

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Marine's going to be young for
for way longer than she's going

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to be alive.
So it's like, OK, cool.

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And she's going to come be like,
yeah, I'm the sister.

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This is all mine.
If she.

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Wants to I don't I don't think
she can do that because Andrea

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has a son so that that it will
most likely pass down to the son

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and like we don't know how many
children she has but.

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I mean, she probably I live the
son too.

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I mean it's.
Well, and and to be honest,

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Marine didn't didn't care about
it.

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Yeah, that and that was the
other thing I was going to say.

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Yeah, that's not important.
Yeah, that's that's not what's

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important.
Yeah, I wonder.

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I wonder if she'll Care now that
she sees that her.

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Oh, you got attitude.
Oh, OK, No.

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No, because again, Marine has.
Respect for her sister.

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Right.
I I was just, I was just fucking

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around.
I know she.

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Oh, OK, I was about to say.
She's no, no, she she showed in

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this episode that she that she
was impressed and that she

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showed that she still loved her
sister, that she was proud of

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her.
So, you know.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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I saw you.
She made that clear.

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Yeah, but I think, I think I, I
don't think Marine, I don't

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think those digs at her or her
sister, her sister's trying to

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make her feel bad.
She's trying to make her feel

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guilty.
And that that's going to be very

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hard to do to Marine.
Like.

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She has done some things in her
life.

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She has hurt people, manipulated
people.

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She's done a lot of bad,
terrible things in her life and

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her eyes said I have done bad,
terrible things.

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And you know, she's killed
thousands of trollics.

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She doesn't.
Having tea with her sister is at

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the bottom of the priority list.
For her, yeah.

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But you know, this, it's kind of
like, I, I understand you have

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the world to save or or whatever
it is that you're trying to do.

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But still, in the grand scheme
of things, her sister's life is

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fleeting.
Hers is not.

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A cup of tea is not going to
hurt you, no.

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It's.
Not and, and, and it shouldn't,

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it shouldn't take your sister
having to barter for information

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or having to say, hey, I have
the information you're looking

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for, but I'm not going to give
it to you unless you sit down

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and have tea with me.
It shouldn't take all of that,

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you know.
That's the difference between

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the Blues and the greens, cause
the Greens, they'll take time

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out their day for a lot of
things, yeah.

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We don't we don't get to that in
a minute, but I I think I think

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the other thing too is that with
on there, God damn it, I'm not

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that thought just flew straight
out my head.

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What was I about this?
You got distracted by thinking

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about being the green.
Oh, but no, what I was going to

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say was I, I think too, the
thing with Lady Anver going back

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to something you said a a few
minutes ago, Anthony, like

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Moraine, when she's thinking
about her life and the things

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that she needs to do, she has to
think about how her actions will

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affect the entire world based on
what she does.

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Her sister doesn't have that.
She doesn't have that

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responsibility.
She probably has never even been

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outside of that, that part of
their country.

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So I think it is just more so
she doesn't understand Moraine's

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world, just like Moraine doesn't
understand her world, You know,

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And I think again, we talk about
this all the time.

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And Anthony, you mentioned this
a lot about how a lot of people

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don't like the ice to die.
And that's that could be very

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much how unveil feels as well.
Because especially if you are

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this young child and you have
this older sister that you

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idolize that you love more than
anything, and she becomes a part

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of this this group and she just
abandons you.

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Yes, she probably has some
unresolved feelings about the

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eyes to die and and all of that.
So I mean, I don't mind her

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being upset.
I didn't mind the verbal

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exchange and the the little
light verbal lash and she gave

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her sister because again, Moran
has been getting on my nerves

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for the last few episodes.
So I kind of feel like she

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deserves that lashing and maybe
maybe she might have a little

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bit more consideration for
people.

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You know, like I said, it's not,
it's not a big deal to her, but

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she might be around for another
60-70 years.

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Obviously her sister won't, you
know, but.

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Even even if sister were like,
you know, I I tried the channel

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like, oh, I tried.
Yeah, you know what that

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reminded me of?
That reminded me of Aunt Petunia

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and Harry Potter when she was
trying to, she was trying to be

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a witch and she wanted to go to
Hogwarts and she wrote the

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Dumbledore and was like, hey, I,
I you can still let me come.

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I maybe it'll come later.
I was thinking about that.

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I was like, oh, OK.
I literally wrote down it'll be

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15 minutes before Hanukkah
compares her to Petunia and

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what, what, what, what time are
we at?

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You know me so well.
Oh boy, you know me so well.

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So well.
Yeah.

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But the fact that you even
thought that tells me.

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Yeah, but then Marines.
I had swear Marines said you

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would have made the fine eyes to
die.

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Did she not save it in this
episode?

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I.
Think she made it in my head I

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don't know, but she said what
she told.

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Her sister, she would have made
a a a a good eyes to die, you

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know, if if she had been able to
channel.

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I believe she said something
like.

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That Yeah, I think so.
But OK, we're going to come away

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from that for a little bit
because we we're going to have

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to go back.
We got to talk about Rand and

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stuff, but since she mentioned
the green Asha and Alana, when I

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tell you, Alana is very quickly
becoming one of my favorite

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characters in this show, not
just because of her.

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Her freedom to express herself,
the way she wants to express

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herself and the way she
basically can live her life the

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way she wants to leave it.
Like even her family is there

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teasing her about the men.
They were like, oh, it's been a

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while since you brought another
man home.

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We thought you were slowing down
in your old age, like.

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So where does the third one go?
Where's the third one go?

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Dan?
Dan's like yo.

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Like did they really?
Y'all really asked her that?

404
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Like So what hold does the
Whoops.

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I mean, they know her best, so
they weren't even surprised.

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They were just wondering.
We're probably.

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Seriously wondering like that
but I there are certain

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conversations I am not having
with my family and that.

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Well, she's.
Obviously.

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She's obviously very open and
transparent about what's

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happening and no one is under.
Think about it.

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She's she could be older.
Was she in the same class as

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Leandron and Marine and so on.
I can't.

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Remember, she might have been.
She might have been.

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Because she does seem she does
seem to have a close bond with

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Moraine.
I think they were all, I think

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they were all novices together.
OK.

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There's someone Leandron and
Marine.

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Yeah, don't hold me to that, but
if I remember correctly, I think

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they all were.
That's why, and Lana and Marine

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are close, but think about she's
been around for a while, she's

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been doing this for a while, so
they're all used to it.

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They all know what's going on.
Yeah, yeah.

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But it's been around, it's so.
Round and round, round she

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comes.
But it's so, it's so interesting

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seeing Lance.
With her around, really.

427
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You know what I'm I'm just not
doing this this episode.

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He's not getting passed around.
I mean, her, her warts might be,

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but she ain't getting passed
around for nothing.

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She's doing the passing.
Oh, you doing the passing?

431
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Well, I mean well OK, you know
what?

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No, we are not doing this
because when I tell y'all the

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last episode I was having a hard
time editing because y'all kept

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throwing out these gems and I
was like Oh my God, like what in

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the world?
It's been a while since talk has

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gotten that out of control on
the episode.

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I mean, would you, would you
rather rather just be boring, be

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like, yes, Maureen.
Absolutely not.

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I don't know.
I don't know if we could be

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boring.
I mean, we could if we tried

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really hard, but yeah, it's not
happening.

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But I find it so interesting
seeing Rand very much out out of

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his element, you know, just kind
of being there and going through

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what he's going through.
And it's not as bad as with

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stepping because again, his his
mat.

446
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,760
I mean, his his bond is not
broken with Moraine.

447
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,400
It's just kind of temporarily
permanently masked.

448
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,640
Maybe if she gets, you know, she
gets her power back.

449
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,920
But seeing how?
No, they're they're not bonded

450
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,600
anymore.
At all.

451
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:15,680
No, once.
Once she was cut off because she

452
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080
had already masked it.
But once it was cut off, she

453
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,320
couldn't.
She wouldn't be able to even

454
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,520
mask it anymore.
The bond is gone.

455
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,760
She didn't have the, she didn't
have the ability to mask a bond.

456
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,000
So it's not being masked.
The bond is gone.

457
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,320
She, he was when she lost her
powers, he was, he was cut off.

458
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,080
He was released from that bond.
It's like she was cut off from

459
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,720
the one power.
So it's so OK.

460
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:53,240
And and I know this is probably
just kind of so when Ishmael cut

461
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,000
her off from the one power that
was a permanent cutting, can she

462
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,280
not get her power back or I
don't want to say, well, yeah, I

463
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,920
do want to say it's not more
like she shielded, like you

464
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,280
really think he cut her
completely off?

465
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,440
Let's just say whether she's
shielded or whether she's cut

466
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,320
off.
She can no longer test the one

467
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,760
power OK, which means she
doesn't have the ability to

468
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,360
maintain or create threads of
the power.

469
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,240
The bond is a continuous thread
of the One Power.

470
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,400
OK.
This is how he's how they're

471
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,080
able to know where each other is
at all time.

472
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,600
Wherever they are, they can tell
how they they're feeling.

473
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,920
The the Warriors get a boost in
in, you know they get a stat

474
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,360
boost.
Yeah, yeah.

475
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,280
Yeah, plus 2 + 2 Dexterity.
Right.

476
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,520
You know, they get a stat boost
on top of whatever they got.

477
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,040
I'm just saying so all that is
gone when she lost her power,

478
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,320
her ability to maintain the bond
is gone because that is based on

479
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,360
the one power.
OK, so I guess that's.

480
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,720
It's not like something that was
done with the like I would think

481
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:12,240
the Oath rods, which are
independent, they generate, I

482
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,400
mean they're independent of the
one power.

483
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,200
So she might still be held to
her bonds because that is

484
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:24,440
because of the Oath Rod.
OK, OK, so the OK that helps me

485
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,280
understand a little bit better
because I don't think I was

486
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:34,000
thinking of their bond as like
literally having the threads

487
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,240
connecting them.
I I don't think I was thinking

488
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,840
of it in that sense.
Yeah, and then and so and I

489
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,280
think he's able to take it a
little bit better because one,

490
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,520
when he he already cares around
a massive amount of grief.

491
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,200
Yeah.
Already #2 She always had the

492
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,720
habit of of masking it all the
time so he's used to it not

493
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,000
being active.
Yeah, and that's what he was

494
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,040
saying in in the episode.
So that's I, I guess that's

495
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,640
probably why I was kind of
thinking like, well, maybe it's

496
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,720
not completely broken.
Maybe it's just kind of, I don't

497
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,520
know, in in limbo and hiding or
whatever because of what he did

498
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,160
to her.
But OK, the way you just

499
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,600
explained it kind of makes me
understand it a little bit

500
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,600
better because there's still,
even though we're like halfway

501
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,560
through the second season,
there's still a lot being a a

502
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,880
non book reader that I don't
really understand about the way

503
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,880
it works in this.
They're slowly giving you little

504
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,000
bits and pieces, like the whole
conversation with him and Maxim

505
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,720
that was trying to give you a
little bit of to help you kind

506
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,120
of understand how it works.
Yeah.

507
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,040
So but yeah, him having always
being mastered once in awhile

508
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,560
and having times when he wasn't
made him used to not being

509
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,480
bonded to her and feeling that
bond.

510
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,880
And again, he already, I know
it's hard to try to compare him

511
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,080
to the book land.
He already carries around a lot

512
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,320
of emotional weight about.
Oh yeah, absolutely.

513
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Yeah.
Like he's already having to

514
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,040
manage that.
Losing a bond to her is is

515
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,440
sometimes my pill a little bit.
Like he was helping him deal

516
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,080
with it, but he was already
carrying it around for most of

517
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,920
his life anyway.
OK.

518
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,120
Yeah, OK.
But.

519
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,400
Yeah, I like how she just walked
up on him with his, you know,

520
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,560
she she has no coop with swim.
None.

521
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,280
She's like, OK, you over here
peeing.

522
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,760
OK, so let's have this
conversation like, can the man

523
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,400
get a little privacy?
Can he shake it off first before

524
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,640
you just go into a full, serious
conversation?

525
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,040
It ain't none, none that she
ain't seen hundreds of like like

526
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,960
in her in her years of
existence.

527
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,840
She didn't care.
Why?

528
00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,600
Why was my first thought he
didn't wash his hands, But yeah,

529
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,120
whatever.
This is me.

530
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,280
This is me being.
Anything about that, that's,

531
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,960
that's the, that's the last
thing on her mind.

532
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,240
OK.
But yeah, again, she is becoming

533
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,360
one of my favorite characters
because even though she's very

534
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,760
headstrong, she's very
forthcoming, she's very straight

535
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,480
to the point.
She doesn't pull punches.

536
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:30,360
She doesn't sugarcoat anything.
She still has a way when she's

537
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:36,560
speaking to someone of being all
of that, but still being gentle

538
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,880
and not, you know, not being so
harsh because they could all be

539
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,960
looking at land like, OK, you
need to just, you know, suck it

540
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160
up, get over it.
I mean, she's even trying to

541
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,800
prod him a little bit towards my
knee, like so when I left, my

542
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,520
knee was about to go through the
arches.

543
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,000
So that means she's going to be
a sister.

544
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,760
So she's going to need a water.
And it's almost like for a split

545
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,640
second you could see a little
bit of happiness with lands

546
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600
face.
And then he was like, I'm not

547
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,320
looking to repeat my mistake.
She was like, no, because I

548
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,440
think if he were to be bonded to
Nyneve and something like this

549
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,640
happened, I think he would go
the route of step.

550
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,680
And I think it would really,
yeah.

551
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,920
Because like with Moraine, even
though they're bonded and they

552
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,280
do have a connection, their
connection does not, I don't

553
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,640
think, extend romantically, and
I don't think it ever has.

554
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,400
But the fact that he has been
intimate with Nyneve, we know

555
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,400
how he feels about her and
obviously we know how she feels

556
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,040
about him, given what she went
through in the Arches.

557
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,120
Yeah, I think something like
that.

558
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,920
He, I don't know if he would
survive something like that.

559
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,680
You know, I think going back to
what you said about Alana being

560
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,200
your favorite character, she is
my favorite character for

561
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,520
various reasons.
I just know I can't really focus

562
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,320
and concentrate when she's on
the screen kind of like she is.

563
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,520
Gorgeous.
I will say that she is gorgeous.

564
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,880
And so I have to let, let me go
back.

565
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,880
I, I kind of missed what she was
saying.

566
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:12,440
I wasn't really paying
attention.

567
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:17,639
Yeah, yeah, which is, which is
she's absolutely beautiful,

568
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,440
Yeah.
But that's also I mean the way

569
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:28,560
she is with just in her everyday
existence on the show.

570
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,880
Because if you like right now,
season 3 is about maybe I think

571
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,960
2 weeks away from from start.
No, next week.

572
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,000
I think it starts next week,
next weekend.

573
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,520
I think it starts this week.
Wait, what is the Oh, it's the

574
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,440
10th.
Yes, it does start this weekend.

575
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,440
So there have already been
trailers and kind of teasers

576
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,440
about the new season.
And there's one particular clip

577
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,560
that has come out and it's of
the women in the Eyes to die

578
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,320
kind of going into the tower.
I don't think they saying any of

579
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,280
this is kind of spoilery or
anything.

580
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,240
But she is walking down the
hallway and there's like the

581
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:11,160
Blues and there's the yellows.
And like you get to see Asha

582
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,680
from pretty much all of the the
little groups and they all

583
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,040
literally turn and look at her.
And some of them are looking at

584
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,280
her with respect.
Some of them are looking at her

585
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,760
like who does she think she is?
But when she walks in the room,

586
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,760
people fucking pay attention.
And that again, that's something

587
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,400
else that I love about her
character because none of that

588
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,920
affects her.
She could easily be the type of

589
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,560
person who knows she's getting
that attention and she kind of

590
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,840
flaunts it or she she makes a
show of it.

591
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,640
We only see her do that every
once in a while.

592
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,400
When she had the conversation
with a Gwen and she was really

593
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,480
trying to kind of knock her off
her her balance.

594
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,200
When she was having the
conversation with Sharia and

595
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,000
Sadai, it was just little bitty
things that she does.

596
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,760
Like, she was sitting forward
and when Sharia and Sadai

597
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,000
started talking, she leaned back
as she crossed her legs.

598
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,800
And it was just the the
smoothness of the motion and the

599
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,680
way she did it.
And she put her hand out and

600
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,080
Yvonne was giving her her her
drink and she was just sitting

601
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,640
there.
I was just like, everything

602
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,000
about this character, like I
really, really hope she doesn't

603
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,840
end up becoming a bad character
because everything about this

604
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,560
character, I'm just like, I
fucking love her.

605
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,600
And every time she moves, it's
like she's dancing.

606
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:41,680
Yes, it's amazing.
Yes yeah just everything about

607
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,200
her life.
I I don't know where y'all found

608
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,640
or or how y'all determined she
would be the perfect person to

609
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,320
play this character, but my
goodness chefs kiss to the

610
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,160
fucking casting team because wow
wow.

611
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,360
But anyway, getting off that
little soapbox.

612
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,720
So yeah, just seeing her in her
element with, with her family,

613
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:10,560
just kind of seeing a different
side to her being a little bit

614
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,480
more relaxed, a little bit more
loose, a little bit more

615
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,800
humorous.
And then you see you kind of see

616
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,760
a little bit more of the
personalities of Maxim and

617
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,440
Yvonne as well, because Maxim is
the one who's very I feel like

618
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:35,880
he's very what's the I think he
he understands land a little bit

619
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,920
more because if you listen to
the way that he describes his

620
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:46,560
relationship with Ivan and
Alana, he is all he's he's the

621
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,240
one that's the third man out.
He's the odd man out because

622
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,720
even when he said a couple
episodes ago, he fell in love

623
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:57,560
with Ivan, Ivan fell in love
with Alana.

624
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,960
And I don't know in which order
that happened, but you could

625
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,080
tell even in that episode that
he feels kind of like the the

626
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,080
third wheel, so to speak, in
that in that whole I said I

627
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,040
water relationship.
But you feel it even more in

628
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,200
this one because he talks to LAN
about the fact that when they

629
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,200
first got together, it was kind
of it was tense.

630
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,000
And she decided that she was
going to mask her bond with him,

631
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,520
probably because she couldn't, I
don't know, maybe he had some

632
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,920
jealousy over her and Ivan.
And she was just like, look,

633
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,760
there's only so much I can take
you getting on my nerves.

634
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:44,840
And I'm about to mask this bond.
So that had me thinking.

635
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,880
I was like, so does that mean
that his mask, that his bond

636
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,560
with her is completely masked
except for when they're in

637
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,120
battle?
I think he said something about

638
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,680
that.
But any other time it's masked.

639
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,200
Is that what he was implying?
That's what he sounds like.

640
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,280
Interesting so he literally only
stays because of Ivan and I

641
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,560
guess maybe he does have some
feeling for her too.

642
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,520
But not I think he loves Ivan
more than he loves Alana.

643
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:23,160
But I can't imagine.
Like I know that there are non

644
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,720
traditional relationships out
there.

645
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:29,240
I know polyamory exists and you
know, open relationships and

646
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:33,760
stuff like that, but for the
scope of this show and the

647
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,000
context that that conversation
took place, I can't imagine

648
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,400
having such a, an intense bond
or an intense love for someone

649
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,880
just to feel left out because
they have that while they have

650
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,200
love for you, they have more
love for someone else.

651
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:58,160
I just like.
It's hard to wrap your head

652
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,120
around it, but I I believe that
relations like relationships

653
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,880
like this happen.
Yeah, I I'm pretty sure they do.

654
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:11,120
But it's just I guess because in
the real world, yeah, we have,

655
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,880
we have bonds with people that
we love and you know, those

656
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,760
bonds are invisible.
But if you think about the way

657
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,720
that you just described what the
water and isodide bond is, their

658
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,640
bond is literally a physical
manifestation.

659
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Like there is something
literally keep holding them

660
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,680
together.
And to not be able to fully

661
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,560
participate in there or to fully
experience that because of the

662
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:47,280
other stuff, I just, I just
can't imagine that has to make

663
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,200
it very hard for you to be
around them.

664
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:57,480
And to also, just like, I don't
want to say that he would allow

665
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,480
something to harm her because of
that, but it's just kind of like

666
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,800
I, I don't know, it's.
Yeah, it, it, it can.

667
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:13,000
It probably is hard for us to to
conceive of something like that,

668
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,240
but that's how much he loves.
Ivan.

669
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,600
That's how much he wants to be
with Ivan.

670
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

671
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,760
And then you on top of that,
they were training to be

672
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,760
warders.
So if you're going to be a

673
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,680
warder of a nice die, you might
as well do it with the person

674
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,240
that you're in love with.
Yeah.

675
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,360
You know otherwise be somewhere
else and be heartbroken where

676
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,400
you can be you can at least you
know I ensuring.

677
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,480
Their safety.
Right.

678
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,320
Like, I keep think he's bouncing
around in my head.

679
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,600
This is why I hate Hamilton.
So that line where Angelica says

680
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,680
at least I'll have his eyes in
my life.

681
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,640
Yeah.
And, and I can't get that out of

682
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,040
my head when I, when I see them
now, 'cause now I think about

683
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,600
that, that that was a sacrifice
he's making because that's how

684
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,360
much he wants to be with Ivan.
Yeah.

685
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,120
And if this is how he can be
with Ivan, this is what he will

686
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,160
take.
Yeah.

687
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,200
So he's willing to endure all
the other stuff because that's

688
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:20,960
the person that that he wants to
be.

689
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,880
With yeah, it's just, and, and I
can understand that on some

690
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,920
level.
I've I've seen it in, in

691
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,640
relationships and that sort of
thing.

692
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:34,520
But it, I think the whole bond
thing, to me, it just makes it

693
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:40,920
even harder to grasp because
it's like you got to take that,

694
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,560
that little bit of heartbreak
and that little bit of feeling

695
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,880
like you're the third will and
that you, you know, in the, in

696
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,480
the totem pole of that
relationship that you're kind of

697
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,440
on the bottom.
But it magnifies it by like 10

698
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:59,240
or by 20 or by 100.
Like you said, he only feels it

699
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:05,480
when they are in battle or
having sex, so he's not he's not

700
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,080
feeling those feelings all the
other time.

701
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,240
Well, he might, I mean, he might
not be feeling those feelings as

702
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:16,360
far as Alana goes, but he could
still feel that jealousy and

703
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:26,320
that that sadness in terms of
Ivan, because Ivan, I think Ivan

704
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,560
loves him, but he doesn't.
I don't think he loves Maxim the

705
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:36,040
way he loves Alana and, and
being there in that relationship

706
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,560
knowing that I think is is the
thing that I'm like, yeah, that

707
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,680
might be a little bit harder to
grasp.

708
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Yeah, because he may not.
He and his like, I don't want to

709
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,040
say we're ascribing how we would
feel for him.

710
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,440
He may not feel jealousy, he may
not feel jealous about the

711
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,360
situation as long as he's not
feeling what they're feeling.

712
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:08,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kind of like but.

713
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,080
You can tell that it may bother
him sometimes, but that you

714
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,920
know, I wouldn't think he was.
Another pop look, another pop

715
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:21,880
culture comparison.
I'm thinking about the wolves in

716
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:28,360
Twilight when when Sam imprinted
on Emily, but old girl was over

717
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,560
here.
Leah was over here still kind of

718
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,600
like in love with him.
And she was like, you know, it's

719
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,760
hard being his ex when you can,
you know, when you're a pack and

720
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,320
you can hear everybody's
thoughts.

721
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,640
So you can hear the love of your
life with the love of his life

722
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:53,040
24/7, everything.
So I, so it just made me think

723
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,800
about that like, Oh, that's got
to be a hard thing.

724
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,280
At least here he gets to turn it
off or he gets to have it mass

725
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,560
form so he doesn't have to go
through that.

726
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,440
And I, I will say, I feel like
that kind of may be a testament

727
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,400
to her loving him as well,
because she was like, OK, I love

728
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,640
you enough to not want you to
have to suffer and, and deal

729
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,880
with this because she could have
very easily, as I said, I'd been

730
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,560
like, OK, you were the one who
decided you wanted to be my

731
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
warder with him.
And you know what the situation

732
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,240
was you just don't have to deal
with.

733
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,760
She could have very easily done
that.

734
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,360
You know, if, if it was Leandron
with them as her warder, she

735
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,760
probably very well would have
been like, I don't, I don't give

736
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,640
a fuck.
This is what you signed up for.

737
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,520
So right, well, you know that's
what I'm saying If.

738
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,240
She was, if she was any other, I
should die with Waters.

739
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,200
She would be like, OK, whatever.
But again, Alana, it does not

740
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,400
seem like that type like again,
she's firm, she stands on

741
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,120
business, but she has
compassion.

742
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:02,760
She has empathy for, you know,
what Maximus going through.

743
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,720
She understands what land is
going through.

744
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:08,760
And she even like I said, she
tries to let him see a bright

745
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,000
spot in everything that that
he's dealing with right now.

746
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,600
But yeah, anyway, all of that
say I just I love her as a

747
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,800
character just yeah.
And this was, and this was fun

748
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,560
again to see her with her family
because we're you so used to

749
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,400
saying all of them were just the
ice to die and how they are.

750
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,800
And you see that when they're
away from the tower, when

751
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,200
they're away from their sisters,
they are like complete people.

752
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,480
I mean, completely different
people except for Moraine.

753
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:43,360
Moraine is still very old.
Moraine's Moraine.

754
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:44,640
She ain't going to change who
she is.

755
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,240
She's that's how she is.
Yeah.

756
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,800
But it only, it's just like,
it's just like they said about

757
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,880
the Super soldier serum.
It's like it only amplifies who

758
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,560
you are being.
I said I only amplifies who you

759
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,880
are.
Yeah, yeah.

760
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,080
So.
I'm glad you talked about

761
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,880
wolves.
Let's go ahead and talk about

762
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,560
Parent and Elias having this
conversation about them being

763
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,000
wolf.
Brothers.

764
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,120
So did you, where did you say
Mike?

765
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,080
Did you say Mike Wolf?
Brothers.

766
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,720
Where in in where?
Where did parent ask, am I going

767
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,800
to turn into a wolf?
And where did the lion say

768
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,360
Michael?
He said I am them, so are you.

769
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:28,760
No, whether you say when parent
asked him am I going to turn

770
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,640
into a wolf?
Whether the lion say don't?

771
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,720
Did he say don't be ridiculous
or something?

772
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,560
Don't be an idiot.
Don't.

773
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:40,560
Speak words he said.
He said bitch please but OK OK

774
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,400
but.
I'm not calling you to you,

775
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,960
Mike, but he did say don't be an
idiot, boy.

776
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,880
I've been, I've been called
worse.

777
00:47:53,080 --> 00:48:00,080
But my point is, I'm just saying
that being I mean, a wolf, he's

778
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,000
he's a kin to a wolf.
So I mean, werewolf is a kin to

779
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,400
a wolf.
So I mean.

780
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,560
He's he's just going to do
whatever he can to try and make

781
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,800
that fit.
He's werewolf ish.

782
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,200
It's werewolf adjacent.
It's fine.

783
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,720
I mean.
You can say we could say wolf

784
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,040
brother is werewolf adjacent.
He ain't got turned to a fully

785
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,320
into a wolf.
Werewolves don't turn fully into

786
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,120
wolves, they only turn partially
into wolves.

787
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,360
Depends on which depends on it.
Depends on what you watch.

788
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Yeah, exactly.
If you if you if you watch

789
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,080
Twilight, then they turn
entirely into wolves.

790
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:32,640
If.
They're watching.

791
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,640
They're not.
They're not wolves, but we're

792
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,520
not going to have this
conversation.

793
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Yeah, I think we've mentioned
Twilight.

794
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,440
I never watched Twilight, so I.
Don't American Werewolf and

795
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,440
Linden and American Werewolf in
Paris they fully trained?

796
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,280
And the and the werewolf short.
And the Marvel World War well,

797
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,640
werewolf short, he changed into
a man.

798
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,480
Very hairy man.
Yeah.

799
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,520
Yeah, but but I like, I like
that whole, I like that whole

800
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,560
interaction.
Like he was like, come on, let's

801
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:00,800
see.
And all the wolves are like

802
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,920
tearing the elk apart.
And he was the only one sitting

803
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,640
there with beat on the stick,
cooking it.

804
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,080
It's like Elias was there.
I was there.

805
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,360
Like tearing me down.
He's like, that was.

806
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,800
Gross.
That was gross.

807
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,200
Because I was like, I know
that's not really me that he's

808
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,720
eating on.
It almost looked like a piece of

809
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,520
like like thick jello or
something, but I was like that

810
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,000
it.
Might be it might be a steak

811
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,520
you.
Never know, he said.

812
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,120
You lose the taste for cooked
flesh soon enough.

813
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,480
Yeah, but it might, it might be
a real steak.

814
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,480
I mean, he could just take it
because there was a cut in

815
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,800
between there.
It's like he he tore from it,

816
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,400
didn't focus on pairing in him
and his meat on his stick.

817
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,880
And then he was like, you lose
the taste for that soon enough.

818
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:47,960
You know, I mean, I I actually
like this because it's so it

819
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,720
should it finally showed
pairing.

820
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,000
Almost like, like leaning
towards accepting it or try at

821
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,400
least trying to understand it.
At least trying to understand

822
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,200
what he is and trying to make
sense of it.

823
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:01,400
Yeah.
And learning, learning the name

824
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,720
of of his little wolf friend.
I was like, oh, Hopper, little

825
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,560
Hopper.
Yeah, he's been sending them.

826
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,680
He's been sending the pack
images.

827
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,040
Yeah, that was the thing that I
thought was very interesting,

828
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,880
because when when Elias
mentioned Layla or the woman, he

829
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,280
didn't mention her by name and
parent was looking like how he

830
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,080
was like.
You've been sending us images

831
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,960
for months.
So it's like, and then you kind

832
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:35,600
of see Paren, I guess processing
that eternal internally because

833
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,080
that means that they know what
happened to Layla if, if

834
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:44,280
they're, if he's projecting and
they can kind of see what each

835
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,160
other are thinking or what's
going on.

836
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,320
So they know exactly what
happened to him.

837
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:56,440
And I just think at that point,
Paren was probably like, OK, at

838
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,920
this point, I can't do anything
but lean in because like,

839
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,160
literally, this man is laying
out for you all of this stuff.

840
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:09,080
Like he basically tells Perry,
yeah, that was me that saved

841
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,120
you.
And that girl when you were on

842
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,480
the trail in the first season,
he was like, you're lucky we

843
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,240
were there for you.
And Perry was like, that was

844
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:18,120
you.
Yep.

845
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,120
You lucky we saved you from the
white cloaks.

846
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,120
Oh, that was you, too.
Yeah.

847
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,640
We've been following you for a
while.

848
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,600
We've been protecting you for a
while.

849
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,640
So at this point, I feel like
parent almost has to be like,

850
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,400
OK, you know what?
Let me stop ignoring this.

851
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,640
Let me try to figure out what
this is.

852
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Because 1, you not knowing what
it is and you trying to ignore

853
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,800
what you think might be
happening.

854
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,400
You're causing yourself to be
distracted because you're not

855
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,880
focused.
You're, you're too worried about

856
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,480
this stuff over here when you
should be worried about this

857
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,320
stuff over here.
Just learn what it is you need

858
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,400
to learn.
Reconcile yourself to it.

859
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,560
And then that way you can focus
on your real task, which is

860
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,920
locating Pat and fame and also
finding the rest of the

861
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,840
Shinarans and trying to save
them.

862
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,280
You can't do that if you're if,
if your focus is broken.

863
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,080
So I'm glad they had that
conversation too, because now he

864
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:27,160
can literally start thinking,
OK, this is what this is.

865
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,600
And now he can stop acting
stupid and he can actually start

866
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:38,600
asking Elias some questions that
will help him embrace whatever

867
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:43,080
this is for him, which is not
him into a wolf.

868
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,000
Would you say, OK, so the whole
the whole thing with the the

869
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,000
whole term with wolf brother,
would you say it's similar to

870
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,280
And yes, we are making lots of
other references tonight, but

871
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,840
would you say it's similar to
like a witch having a familiar?

872
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,960
Interesting.
I I guess it would depend on

873
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:11,160
which what kind of familiar, but
I I don't think so because I

874
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,680
don't I can't think of a time
I've seen seeing the witch take

875
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,720
on the characteristics of their
familiar.

876
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:24,520
OK, OK.
But they are at least connected

877
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,360
in that way we can we can say
there's that kind of connection

878
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,480
to where they have like a a
well.

879
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,760
No, it's it's.
It's not.

880
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,880
It is a little more deep than
that.

881
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,440
It's more yes, way deeper.
OK, yeah, 'cause I was gonna say

882
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,280
it's not just with with witches
and familiars is usually one

883
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,600
witch to one familiar, and with
this he's connected to the

884
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,560
entire pack.
It's a.

885
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,080
Little different.
It's almost like if I, if you

886
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,960
could, if you could describe the
wheel as being sort of

887
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:07,920
interconnected and one of those
crossings of the spokes would be

888
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:14,040
his these wolf brothers, their
lives are kind of crossed over

889
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,720
with the wolves.
OK.

890
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:20,280
Does that, does that, does that
make sense?

891
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,280
Sort of Yeah.
Yeah.

892
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,200
It would be like that.
Like there, the way the wheel

893
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,640
works, it has their lives sort
of intertwined with the Wolf

894
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,840
Pack.
OK.

895
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,840
And so I don't want to say the
wheel doesn't know that they're

896
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,920
not.
It's just, it just gives them

897
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:41,920
their traits and characteristics
and it's like, Oh yeah, you're

898
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,000
human but you're a wolf, but
you're not a werewolf.

899
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,080
Might.
Right, but you're still a human.

900
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,640
A human wolf.
Wolf.

901
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,120
Wolf.
Wolf, wolf, stop, stop.

902
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,680
Like no, just just stop.
Just stop.

903
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,760
You're you're a wolf brother.
Just stop a wolf, brother.

904
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,840
Yeah, OK.
But parent, Parent is embracing.

905
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,520
He's starting to embrace what he
is.

906
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,960
Why is everybody from the Two
Rivers hard headed as fuck?

907
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,520
What's in that damn water?
Like damn what?

908
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,160
Everybody's hard headed.
You don't remember like that's

909
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,320
in their DNAI.
Guess everybody's.

910
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,600
Hard.
Everybody's in their DNA.

911
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,360
That's just who they are.
That's that's embedded in that

912
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,080
that people.
Yeah.

913
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,080
It's like they got to be broken
all the way down until they till

914
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,160
they start like like trying to
figure shit out or start trying

915
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,120
to see things.
I'm like damn well I.

916
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,960
Mean all the all I'm going to
say is the people of Mannetharan

917
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,760
are a problem and they're a
problem for the dark friends.

918
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,240
They're a problem for.
For the Santan, they are a

919
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,080
problem.
OK, good.

920
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,280
And and.
Ran needs them.

921
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,560
OK, Yeah.
Wait, who?

922
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,960
Ran.
No.

923
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,800
Who the what people?
The Manetheren.

924
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,480
The Manetheren, do you remember
from the first season when they

925
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:11,120
were talking about the king and
the queen in the, in the first

926
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:16,960
war or the the last war, how
whatever they, you remember, the

927
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,480
king, king went to battle and
the queen was left behind.

928
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,640
And she was the one who actually
like save them because of her

929
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:31,000
absorbing all of the one power.
And yeah, yeah.

930
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,080
But I also too, I was going to
say my, you know, as far as them

931
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,320
being stubborn, I wouldn't
necessarily call it

932
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,920
stubbornness.
I mean, if you think about it,

933
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,320
they all grew up in this really,
really small town kind of cut

934
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,680
off from from everybody else.
They never really left the town,

935
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:53,760
so it's not like they have a
vast knowledge of all the things

936
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,640
in the world.
And so especially for these

937
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,760
particular characters, these 5
characters that that come from

938
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,360
the Two Rivers and who have all
been thrown into different

939
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,720
circumstances, difficult
circumstances.

940
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:15,360
It's like you're having to face
situations and the existence of

941
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,640
things and the knowledge of
things that you never thought

942
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,320
were possible.
It will be like for us if, if

943
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:27,280
magic actually came, like real
true magic came into our world,

944
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,280
I think we would all be a little
bit ignorant and a little bit

945
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,400
stubborn because our first
instinct would be what?

946
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,240
That can't exist.
I mean, think about it.

947
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,440
If a zombie walked up the street
right now, you would literally,

948
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,200
like we all say, what we would
do if a zombie came by.

949
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,200
Our vampires were here.
Whatever I'm running is, I'm not

950
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,920
going.
To front I'm.

951
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,480
I'm gone.
Yeah.

952
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,120
But the truth is we're all going
to be in shock at 1st and it's

953
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,520
going to take us some time for
our minds to kind of wrap around

954
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,280
the reality of what we're
seeing.

955
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,720
And then trying to reconcile
that with, OK, this is our new

956
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,320
reality.
We need to figure this out.

957
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,800
We need to figure out how to
deal with this.

958
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,440
We need to figure out how to
handle this.

959
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,760
We need to figure out how to
accept this.

960
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:16,720
So I don't think necessarily
it's that Heron is stubborn.

961
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,920
Heron just needs some.
Again, these characters, they

962
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,280
have literally since the trolley
show the OR not not even the

963
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,880
trolley since Moraine and Lance
showed up on their doorstep,

964
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,240
they have dealt with trauma
after trauma after trauma after

965
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,360
trauma after conflict after
conflict after conflict after

966
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,640
trauma.
And they really have not had a

967
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,320
chance to sit and think about
everything they've been through,

968
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,880
except maybe Matt, because he's
had nothing to do but sit.

969
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,280
So it it's not him being
stubborn.

970
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,720
He's just it.
He's just taking a minute to

971
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,680
acclimate his mind towards
everything that he's learning.

972
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,200
But I think now it's gotten to
the point where he jumped over

973
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,480
that last hurdle.
I don't think we'll have this

974
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,880
issue with him anymore.
Like, he may still look at some

975
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,880
stuff like that strange, but now
that he knows that there is

976
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:17,400
something more to what he is and
he knows it's not something that

977
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,040
somebody has done to him.
This is just a part of who he

978
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,920
is, I think.
Yeah, I think he'll be a little

979
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,320
bit better now.
So, yeah.

980
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,080
So let's see, where do we want
to go now?

981
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:37,280
Do we want to go to the tower
with a Gwaine and Naive or do we

982
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,760
want to go with Matt?
You might as well to.

983
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,920
The Tower OK, let's go to the
Tower 'cause we're going to deal

984
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,560
with the Rand stuff last 'cause
that's a lot.

985
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,200
The need, the need being an
accepted is funny as shit to me.

986
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,200
Like all this, it was like,
'cause she was walking past the

987
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,520
waters training and it was like,
oh, you're accepted now He's and

988
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,040
he's like, so do you have Wardy?
I think I mean, he, they were

989
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,160
the, he was just giddy.
I was like, bro, you're, you're

990
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,400
playing yourself.
Like call me.

991
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,320
Any anytime they're new,
accepted, the waters get excited

992
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,560
'cause that means that they're
going to bomb somebody.

993
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,680
They're going to need waters.
Yeah.

994
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:13,920
Mm hmm.
He.

995
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,360
Was like, I could train with
you, can we can I train with

996
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,600
you?
And I was like.

997
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,560
I was like, dude, you're not
reading the room right now.

998
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:22,840
Yeah.
Come on, dog.

999
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,680
I, I want to give a shout out to
the costuming department because

1000
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,600
I think the accepted, I, I think
we mentioned it before, but the

1001
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:36,120
accepted costumes with all the
colors of the ozes on the

1002
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,760
sleeves are is, is amazing.
I like it because it's, it's

1003
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,520
just that one, those subtle
thing in a sea of white.

1004
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:50,440
And yeah, I, I like it.
But so, yeah, my name is having

1005
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,000
a difficult time adjusting.
As you know, the first time I

1006
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,080
watched it, I was kind of when
when E Gwen came and gave her

1007
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,760
the hug and she was like, it
wasn't real.

1008
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,480
It wasn't real.
You know, she's trying to

1009
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,680
comfort her.
And I was like, that is the most

1010
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,800
insensitive thing that you can
say.

1011
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,040
Yes.
'Cause it was real to her.

1012
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:17,800
But then I realized later on in
the episode E, Gwen doesn't even

1013
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,520
know what happened in the
Arches, so she doesn't know what

1014
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,640
Naive lost.
And I was like, OK, I think if

1015
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,760
she had known that there was an
actual family, that there was a

1016
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:34,920
child, that there was a because,
yeah, I think if she knew that

1017
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,800
she would react differently.
But she's expecting Naive to

1018
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,440
come out of that and be like,
OK, it wasn't real.

1019
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,600
I can, you know, whatever it was
that happened to me and there is

1020
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,400
not real, I can get over it.
And it's not quite that simple

1021
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,400
because like you said, she spent
years in there and not just a

1022
01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:02,720
year or two years, years and
then came through the arches

1023
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,280
cradling her child to lose her.
And it Wayne didn't see that

1024
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,840
because she was asleep.
So when she finally does see and

1025
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,960
I need and I need is already on
her knee, she's already

1026
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,960
screaming.
She has no way of knowing what

1027
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:26,960
this woman just went through.
And I I just I felt a little bit

1028
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:32,400
in this episode, like when a
Gwen was when she was talking to

1029
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,400
Naive and then also when she was
talking to Elaine.

1030
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:43,960
It seemed very much like on the
outside, she was concerned about

1031
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:49,120
Naive and she was worried about
Naive, but it really seemed more

1032
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:56,120
like she was focused on herself,
not necessarily in a woe with

1033
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,920
me, but she was like, what?
I feel like I should be there

1034
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:00,480
for her.
I should be able to do

1035
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:01,360
something.
I should.

1036
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:07,200
And as much as Elaine is still
kind of she's kind of in the

1037
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,080
middle for me.
I like the fact that she kind of

1038
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,440
gently, Tony Wayne, basically
she was like, this ain't about

1039
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,160
you.
You're making it about you and

1040
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,120
what you need to do and how you
are feeling about how you can't

1041
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:26,840
help her, just be there for her.
And I'm just sitting there like,

1042
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,400
is this grief about to get
worse?

1043
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,680
Is it going to be worse?
Probably always gets worse, but

1044
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,800
it gets better.
Yeah, at me at on top of all

1045
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:43,520
that, because she gets the
letter or Leandron finds out,

1046
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,400
you know, she finds.
Out earlier manipulative.

1047
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,520
Yes, I understand that.
But at the same time, Leandron

1048
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:59,840
gets word about the Sean Chan
invasion and she goes to Leanne,

1049
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,040
who I guess she is the key.
She calls herself the keeper.

1050
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,640
So when when the when the
ambulance seat is away, the

1051
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,000
keeper shall play that sort of
thing.

1052
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,360
She's in charge of the White
Tower when the ambulance seat is

1053
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,080
not there.
She speaks for the ambulance

1054
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,960
seat when the ambulance seat is
not there yet, but every

1055
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,600
ambulance seat has a keeper.
She's the person that makes sure

1056
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,360
she's OK.
She makes sure all the meetings

1057
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,280
run.
She's like the parliamentarian.

1058
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:29,800
OK.
It's like.

1059
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,880
You know, she's the she's the
grand vizier.

1060
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:37,200
She's the Jafar of the show.
Just not as evil.

1061
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,360
Just not as evil, just not evil.
But.

1062
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,160
But yeah, so she goes to Leanne
and she was like, so have you

1063
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,280
heard about this, this invasion?
Yeah, we've heard about it.

1064
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,320
You haven't sent any sisters.
Like, I haven't been told

1065
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,160
anything.
And Leanne turns around and

1066
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:56,440
looks at her like, why do I, why
do you think I should tell you

1067
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,960
anything?
Which is valid if she's

1068
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,000
literally the right hand of the
ambulance seat.

1069
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,280
Leandrin is just the eyes of I.
Why should she have to explain

1070
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:11,600
anything to you?
But Leandrin does take that and

1071
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,760
she ends up going to Nynev.
And she was like, hey, I just

1072
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,080
found out this information.
There's this, there's this

1073
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,680
invasion in the West.
And one of the mentions of the

1074
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,360
prisoners that they've taken is
they took a group of Shinarans

1075
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,040
who were traveling with a
blacksmith and no gear.

1076
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:35,040
And immediately she's like, oh,
OK, that's parent bet.

1077
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,200
I'm, I'm going to go do
something about this.

1078
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,600
You know, she goes to Gwen to
let her know, hey, parents in

1079
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,280
trouble.
I'm about to leave the tower.

1080
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,520
I know you can't leave 'cause
you're not novice.

1081
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,600
And Gwen had to tell her, hold
up, hold up.

1082
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,880
I know we've had our wires
crossed here in the six months

1083
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,600
that we've been here.
But let me let me get you to

1084
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:59,040
understand something.
Being a iced diet is only

1085
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:02,680
important to me because I feel
like I failed Rand and I failed

1086
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:07,120
you all.
If parent is in trouble, I wish

1087
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,080
you would try to leave me.
Basically that was the gist of

1088
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,640
it.
So they get ready to leave.

1089
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,560
They go through the secret
passageway that Ninee found when

1090
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,600
Leandro was going to visit her
son.

1091
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:27,240
Here comes fucking Elaine.
I was like, she's about to get

1092
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,800
them in trouble.
She is.

1093
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,000
But it wasn't really her fault.
Leandra, like, like Anthony

1094
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:39,400
said, manipulative little bitch.
She basically said a trap.

1095
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,800
Now, to what end?
I don't know.

1096
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,280
But yeah, she pretty much.
She looks at Elaine and she was

1097
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,320
like, yeah, you're about to be a
complication.

1098
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,720
And then she blasts all three of
them, knocks them out.

1099
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,080
So I was like, what is she about
to do now?

1100
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,440
Man, this show is tripping every
time they give Leandron a scene,

1101
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,400
like the scene where Naive was
sitting in front of their arches

1102
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,840
and, you know, she's talking to
her and stuff like that.

1103
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,600
You're like, OK, it's the yeah,
man.

1104
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,800
She might be kind of sort of a
decent person.

1105
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:09,440
I.
Understand.

1106
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,760
And then here she comes.
Here she comes with this evil I

1107
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,480
keep.
Telling you she's.

1108
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,720
No, we and we.
Understand sympathy for this

1109
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,840
woman.
And we're not saying that we

1110
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:22,280
have any sympathy for her, but
what we're saying is they really

1111
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,400
are trying to play her on both
sides.

1112
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,440
Like they're giving her just
enough empathy to be like, oh,

1113
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:34,320
OK, she might kind of sort of
maybe just a little.

1114
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,840
And then they yank that shit
away.

1115
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,160
Right in a huge.
Way the message they're the

1116
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,320
message they're sending you is
everything she does is a

1117
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,440
manipulation.
Yeah.

1118
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:52,320
Everything, if you even like I
watching the show, the episode

1119
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:56,800
where Nanny followed her to, you
know, to where her son was.

1120
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:01,880
I'm not certain she didn't know
she was following her, right.

1121
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:07,400
This woman has taken great care,
great care in keeping the secret

1122
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,320
from everybody.
She goes.

1123
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,320
She gonna let this person follow
her.

1124
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:15,560
Come on.
Come on, son.

1125
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:21,279
Yeah.
I, I, I can see that that does,

1126
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:25,080
Yeah.
But and, and, and she really

1127
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,640
could have been doing that to
test 90s metal.

1128
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,160
You're like, OK, let's see what
she's going to do.

1129
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,840
Is she really worthy of me
putting her up for the arches

1130
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,960
right now?
So yeah, I I can.

1131
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,399
I can totally see that.
But but nothing, nothing she has

1132
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,840
done in this show has led to
anything good happening to

1133
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,040
anybody.
No, everything she has done in

1134
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,560
the show has been in
manipulation.

1135
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:49,800
Right.
Everything.

1136
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,439
Right.
But it's kind of like so it

1137
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,439
makes you question like why
would you?

1138
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,399
And maybe maybe it's just the
fact that she had Elaine and

1139
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:04,880
Gwen with her, but it's kind of
like, why would you go to Nineve

1140
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:09,399
tell her about this, knowing
that she is not going to sit

1141
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:12,640
there and let parents stay in
trouble, especially now that

1142
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,720
she's accepted and she doesn't
have to stay in the tower.

1143
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,920
She doesn't have to get
permission to leave the tower.

1144
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,560
So it's like, why would you go
and tell her that just to turn

1145
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:26,160
around and knock her out?
And again, she might have, we

1146
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:27,359
don't know where her motives
are.

1147
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,640
She might have just done that
because E Gwen and Elaine with

1148
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,240
her was with her.
She might have been like, OK,

1149
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,560
I'm gonna get my need to come
out this tower and we're going

1150
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,920
to go do such and such.
And maybe she was going to use

1151
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,960
that time to try to sway her to
the red OSHA side again.

1152
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,960
I I don't know because it lived.
The episode literally ends when

1153
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,560
she knocks them out as far as
their part of the story goes.

1154
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,200
So.
I just thought of something.

1155
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:57,280
Let's let's really like dig in
on this manipulation.

1156
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:02,160
OK, let's go.
So first I just said it and I

1157
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:07,160
didn't think about it, but she
did allow Nanieve to follow her

1158
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,080
because it showed none evil way
out of the tower.

1159
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:17,880
OK.
So she manipulated her now that

1160
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:22,160
she has gotten her to this point
where she uses this to get her

1161
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,040
to, she knows exactly where
she's going to go because she

1162
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,200
knows she knows how good at the
tower.

1163
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,240
She knows that she's going to
tell Gwen and they're both going

1164
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,240
to be leaving.
Yeah.

1165
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,760
And she knows exactly where
they're going.

1166
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,400
Elaine was the complication.
She, she, she didn't know about

1167
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:43,040
Elaine, but if you track it all
the way back, it really seems

1168
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,080
like she's been setting her up
for this the whole time.

1169
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,600
She lured her in, Get her to
trust her.

1170
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:52,680
Everything that she's done is to
get Naive to trust her.

1171
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,920
And all she needed to do was
push her at some point to leave.

1172
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,000
That could have been why she was
keeping Matt.

1173
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,360
She was going to use Matt to get
her to leave the tower.

1174
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,120
I know where Matt is.
Oh yeah, and then because she

1175
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:09,440
let Matt go as soon as 19,
didn't come back through the

1176
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,120
arches.
Like literally as soon as she.

1177
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,640
Didn't need me there.
Yeah.

1178
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,160
She's like, I don't care, do
whatever they want.

1179
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,840
Yeah.
It just seemed me with him to

1180
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,600
keep an eye on them, you know?
Let's talk about men.

1181
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,360
I, I, for the record, I do not
like what they're doing with her

1182
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,960
character, but I understand
they're trying to.

1183
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,200
I realize before we get into it,
I realize a lot of the stuff

1184
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:41,000
they've done is to make a lot of
these characters have more depth

1185
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,880
because as as good as the writer
Robert Jordan was, the vast

1186
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,720
majority of his characters were
one note.

1187
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,520
They had no depth.
They Landrum, for example, just

1188
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,560
even like they at least like you
said this.

1189
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,040
So they're trying to give you
some depth.

1190
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,160
They're trying to give you some
something to be sympathetic for.

1191
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,000
You don't get that with Robert
Jordan.

1192
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:05,840
The characters come exactly as
they are.

1193
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,600
The main characters, like the
handful ran Mad Parent.

1194
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,800
They have depth, but everybody
else, they're they're all pretty

1195
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,280
much.
One trick pony.

1196
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,200
Yeah, they're all
one-dimensional and I can see

1197
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:22,120
why they do some of the things
doing the show.

1198
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,520
So no, I don't like what they're
doing with men, but I understand

1199
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:31,080
they're trying to give her more
than just a fortune teller who's

1200
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,320
visions come true.
This all she is in the book.

1201
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:39,200
OK, Yeah.
So like in in this episode, we

1202
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,280
know that she and Matt are on
the run, that they've quote UN

1203
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:46,880
quote, escaped from Leandro.
So they're in a bar.

1204
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:52,000
And when I saw this scene,
Anthony, I thought about you

1205
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:57,040
because the scene starts out
with Matt and men gambling

1206
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,480
against each other.
And Matt is losing like his lost

1207
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,480
all his money to men.
And all I can hear in my head is

1208
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:08,720
Anthony talking about how he
hates what they've done with

1209
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,040
Matt's character because Matt is
lucky as hell in the books.

1210
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:16,560
And that's like one of the
defining characteristics of who

1211
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,880
he is.
So but he's but he's gambling

1212
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,240
with somebody who can see into
the future.

1213
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,160
Yeah, but like you said, I
thought you could see people's

1214
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,640
future, not necessarily
inanimate objects, futures.

1215
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,480
So I mean, it could just be that
he's just a really bad gambler

1216
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,120
because I think that's not the
first time we've seen him

1217
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,280
gambling in this show.
And that's not the first time

1218
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:43,440
we've seen him losing in
gambling in this show.

1219
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:49,720
Like, literally when he and Ran
were in that town, weren't they

1220
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:50,880
also gambling?
And.

1221
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,200
And so, yeah, this is not the
first time that that we've seen

1222
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,520
that with this character.
But then men decide she was

1223
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,760
like, OK, so we're going to stay
here the night.

1224
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,520
Let me go pay for the rooms.
And she talks to the bartender

1225
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,680
and she's basically like, yeah,
so you're going to keep the

1226
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,520
drinks coming so I can get him
drunk enough to pass out.

1227
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,120
You're going to put us in the
attic with two beds.

1228
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,440
And someone is going to come
later on and ask for the same

1229
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:18,920
room.
That's who I'm supposed to be

1230
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,240
here meeting.
And so I was like, who is she

1231
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,160
meeting?
And then when she's asleep and

1232
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,920
she wakes up, it's fucking
Ishmael.

1233
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:33,240
So I was like, OK, so is she.
I was like, is she a dark

1234
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:38,040
friend, that bitch?
And then you figure out or you

1235
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:43,880
find out exactly what's going on
with her One they got hurt

1236
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,600
because they told her, hey, if
you just help us do this one

1237
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,880
thing, just bring this boy here.
We'll help you get rid of your

1238
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:56,320
your powers because that's all
she wants The the visions that

1239
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,440
she's having.
If you notice, she's always

1240
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:05,480
envisioning someone's death or,
or I'll fortune, we haven't any

1241
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:09,240
of the visions that we've been
shown that she's had.

1242
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:11,440
They've always resulted in
something bad.

1243
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:13,600
We've never seen her have a
vision of something good.

1244
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,440
So this is a burden to her.
And we also see that in her, her

1245
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:23,200
dream or her vision reliving
what her her family did to her.

1246
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,680
They made her tell fortunes and
she's having to literally sit

1247
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:31,480
here day in and day out and tell
people whatever it is they she

1248
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,200
thinks they want to hear, but
knowing the truth about what's

1249
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,160
going to happen to them, I
wouldn't want that either.

1250
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:39,840
I don't want to see everybody's
death.

1251
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,880
I don't need to be burdened with
that knowledge.

1252
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:44,680
So, you know, somebody comes to
me and say, hey, we'll take this

1253
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,160
away from you.
All you have to do is take this

1254
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,000
boy from here to here.
I probably would do it too,

1255
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:53,880
without question.
The problem is she didn't

1256
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:58,160
question and now she's sitting
across the table from a first

1257
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:02,160
sake in who is basically telling
her this is what you're going to

1258
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,640
do.
And when she says I'm not going

1259
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,920
to help you hurt him, like that
wasn't what I agreed to.

1260
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,960
He's like, basically you agreed
to whatever the fuck I told you

1261
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,520
you were going to do in order
for me to take away your powers

1262
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:20,680
and oh, by the way, no refunds.
So even when she's like, I don't

1263
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,080
want to do this and more he's
like, no, that's not how this

1264
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,080
works.
And you can see on her face that

1265
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:30,600
she was like, oh, I'm fucked.
So at that moment I felt sorry

1266
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,440
for her because I can understand
what will put her in a position

1267
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:38,720
to say, hey, if he can take if,
if they can take this away from

1268
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:43,800
me, I'll do it.
But of course, now that means

1269
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,800
Leandrian is probably working
with the Forsaken.

1270
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,000
And I'm pretty sure Leandrian
didn't communicate that back to

1271
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,000
her.
So again, Leandra with the

1272
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,520
manipulation, Leandra with the
the half truths and they're not

1273
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:00,800
quite, you know, not quite lies.
And now men is stuck in a

1274
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:06,360
position where I don't know.
He tells her to take Matt to a

1275
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,080
city called Kyrian.
And she's like, wasn't Kyrian.

1276
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,240
He was like, none of your
business.

1277
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:12,480
You just don't do what I tell
you to do.

1278
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:15,640
Do what I tell you to.
Do and now she's stuck.

1279
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,920
She has like, I think she
genuinely likes Matt as a

1280
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,720
person, not necessarily
romantic, but she's like, this

1281
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,840
is a good person.
He's a decent person.

1282
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:28,680
I don't want to hurt him.
But now you have no choice.

1283
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,600
You are, you've been manipulated
into it.

1284
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:37,040
And I don't want to say she's a
dark friend now, because I don't

1285
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,000
know exactly what the
qualifications of becoming a.

1286
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,520
Dark, everybody.
Everybody's a bad guy in this.

1287
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,600
You're, you're kind of, you're
kind of in the Yeah, you're kind

1288
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,040
of the dark friend intern right
now.

1289
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:54,040
Yeah, dark friend and train
DFIT, dark friend and training

1290
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:56,040
and everybody's a bad guy in
this.

1291
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,880
I'm about sick of this shit.
Like every time you turn around

1292
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,160
there's somebody doing some
shady shit and I'm just like,

1293
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,760
who am I rooting for?
Like I'm not not not.

1294
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:10,680
There's a difference between
people who are who are doing

1295
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,720
things of their own volition and
who are being manipulated or

1296
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,840
coerced or.
Yeah, yeah, they.

1297
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:19,120
Will.
Yeah, 'cause I was gonna say not

1298
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,120
everybody's bad.
Everybody has their own agendas

1299
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,240
and everybody has their things
that they're dealing with.

1300
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,160
Really, I'm talking about the
I've been thinking about this

1301
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,320
for a while.
Like they said this up kind of

1302
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,360
saying that I said I are the
good guys.

1303
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,480
I'm like, from what I've seen,
most of these guys, like they

1304
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:38,080
walk a questionable line.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

1305
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:40,920
We When do they say that?
I made an assumption, OK.

1306
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:43,680
Probably in the first episode
he's talking about you.

1307
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:44,320
You think?
Oh.

1308
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,520
OK.
Because again, we talk.

1309
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:47,640
We.
That was how they frame it.

1310
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,160
Yeah, we talked about this with
something else that we discussed

1311
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,960
recently.
It's like when we were growing

1312
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:58,640
up, stories had a villain, they
had a hero, and there really

1313
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,600
wasn't any in between.
And now it's like as we've

1314
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:07,280
gotten older, as we understand
people's motivations more, we

1315
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,280
understand what manipulation is
about.

1316
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:14,320
We understand that Gray area and
we see that there really aren't

1317
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:17,120
flat out heroes, flat out
villains.

1318
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,520
Like, yeah, you may have one or
two, but everybody is not like

1319
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,120
that.
There's this this kind of Gray

1320
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:27,360
area where most people fall into
and it's not necessarily because

1321
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,200
they want to do evil or because
they want to do good.

1322
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,480
It's usually there's
circumstances that drive them to

1323
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:36,560
go one way or the other.
You know, oh, I'm going to help

1324
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,480
this bad person because this
person is threatening my family.

1325
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:42,920
That doesn't make that person
bad.

1326
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,880
That makes that person very
conflicted.

1327
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,960
You know, you, you have things
that are happening that you have

1328
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,280
no control over and you feel
like, OK, if I do this one

1329
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:58,720
thing, then maybe I can save my
my people not realizing that

1330
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,320
that's almost never how it
works.

1331
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,120
And, and to be fair to Mike's
point, to be fair to his point,

1332
01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:09,240
yeah, the first time we see
Anasadiah's marine and she's

1333
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,000
slaughtering trolleys.
Yeah.

1334
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,040
And you think, OK, she's good,
you know?

1335
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,440
But then you meet Leandrian and
the Reds and they're torturing

1336
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:20,720
this poor dude, you know?
And it's kind of like, huh.

1337
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,520
But also, too, the way that they
framed it in that first episode

1338
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,640
when we meet Leandra, they're
framing it about the men being,

1339
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:35,120
you know, the man who can
channel them going mad.

1340
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,240
And, oh, they're not supposed to
do this.

1341
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:41,320
And they're really making it
seem like the men who are doing

1342
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,200
that is evil.
And what we learn is it's not

1343
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:47,640
necessarily that they're able to
channel.

1344
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,720
And because of all this stuff
that's happened before, it's

1345
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,680
just gotten to the point where
they're like, yeah, men channel

1346
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,840
bad.
And that's what we're given to

1347
01:20:56,840 --> 01:21:01,920
think.
But like, even with even with

1348
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,160
someone like Rand, who now we
know can channel.

1349
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:08,800
And in the first season, all of
the examples we saw of him

1350
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:15,560
channeling was him saving his
friends, him saving the people

1351
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,920
that he was with.
Now in this season, the times

1352
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:22,960
that we've seen him channeling
is not necessarily all been

1353
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:24,680
good.
He beat up that.

1354
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,840
He beat up that guy from the
asylum.

1355
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,040
No, that was good.
I'll give him that one.

1356
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:35,320
Beating him up was OK, but
beating him up to the point of

1357
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:38,960
almost death because you
couldn't control the one the the

1358
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,480
the one power that that's not
good.

1359
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,360
That's not good.
So.

1360
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,360
So we can transition into rain
now.

1361
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,840
Yeah, we can transition him, but
like the the fire that he

1362
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:54,080
started that granted that wasn't
something he did on purpose, but

1363
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,040
look at the damage it did, you
know?

1364
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:00,960
So if anybody else was in that
house, he could have hurt

1365
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,640
somebody.
Now, we do find out at the end

1366
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,840
of this episode that all of that
stuff was again, manipulation.

1367
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,520
Like this is another drinking
game.

1368
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,640
Every time somebody gets
manipulated, every time we we

1369
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:16,040
mention manipulate, we don't
have to take a shot or something

1370
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:20,600
because it's so prevalent with
these characters and what

1371
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,200
they're going through or what
they're putting people through.

1372
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:25,360
But I.
Can't be doing all that.

1373
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:32,360
Yeah, the fire, he and Celine,
they end up leaving the Foregate

1374
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:37,400
because he's feeling bad that
he, you know, burned down her,

1375
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:39,680
her in.
This is her source of income.

1376
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,160
She talks about leaving.
Oh, I'm going to go stay in a

1377
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,600
cabin in the mountains that my
family used to own.

1378
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,760
Why don't you come with me?
And at first, he's not going to

1379
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:48,920
go.
And then, of course, you see

1380
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,520
later on that he goes.
And I was like, what is it about

1381
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:57,480
this woman that just kind of has
him by the walls?

1382
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:01,280
Because I can see that she ain't
right.

1383
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,600
And this is even before we saw
the beginning of this episode

1384
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,800
where Ishmael was calling his
servant landfill.

1385
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,520
Soon as she started getting up,
I said, oh, that's lame right

1386
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,000
there.
I bet you that's who that bitch

1387
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,720
is.
So even before we see her, we

1388
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,760
know she's not good.
And I'm sitting here like, why

1389
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:24,480
can't Ran see it?
But then he says one sentence

1390
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,200
towards the end of the episode
after the the fade finds them

1391
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:32,920
and he and and he fights the
fade and he uses the one power

1392
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,600
to kill it.
And she figures out that he can

1393
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:38,480
channel and stuff.
And she was like, why didn't you

1394
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:43,040
tell me what you were?
And he said, you are the first

1395
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,640
woman who has seen me as a man.
I didn't know how you would

1396
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:49,760
react.
And I was like, oh, that

1397
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,840
actually does make sense.
This is a young man, the only

1398
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,840
person, the only other person
he's ever loved.

1399
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,920
He's literally loved since
childhood.

1400
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:04,480
She's the she's the first person
who he's met who's looking at

1401
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:06,960
him.
Not as Ran from the Two Rivers,

1402
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:14,040
not as Ran the possible Dragon
Reborn, as whatever he has been.

1403
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:18,680
She's looking at him completely
new and this is, I think it's

1404
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,760
literally a novelty for him
because he's never had that

1405
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,240
before.
So I was like, OK, I can see now

1406
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,760
how she's able to manipulate him
because he's just looking for

1407
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,040
acceptance.
He's looking for love because

1408
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,240
the people that he love, he
doesn't have access to.

1409
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:39,200
Now he's lonely, and she's using
that to her full advantage.

1410
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,600
I was like, OK.
I mean, we don't know how long

1411
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:50,040
because she probably I I feel
like when when Ish Ishmael

1412
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,920
summoned her did did they didn't
put a time stamp on that, but

1413
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:57,840
that but that had to have been
before he before he knew before

1414
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,120
he knew.
No, because remember Ishmael was

1415
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,480
locked up in that prison so this
had to be after Rand let him

1416
01:25:05,480 --> 01:25:09,520
out.
So yeah, that it only about

1417
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,840
again, 5-6 months have passed.
So he probably has known Celine,

1418
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:17,840
maybe a little bit less than
that, because I think the first

1419
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,200
episode where we see her and
they're talking, I think she

1420
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,600
said something about two months.
I guess two months they had been

1421
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,680
messing around.
Yeah.

1422
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,800
So yeah, Celine.
Probably knows who he is and

1423
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:31,640
what he what's going on with.
Him.

1424
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,520
Oh she.
She literally says as much at

1425
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,160
the end of the episode.
So.

1426
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:43,520
After he after he fights the
fade and with the one power and

1427
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,080
she's acting so scared.
Well, why didn't you tell me?

1428
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:47,120
And blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.

1429
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,360
And he's getting ready to leave
because he was like, you know,

1430
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,120
one thing I know for sure the
men who can channel, they go mad

1431
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,600
and they hurt the people that
they love.

1432
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:57,880
So I'm going to go far away from
here.

1433
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,720
She was like, are you saying
that you love me?

1434
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,800
I said, oh, here we go.
This is the start of the

1435
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:08,560
bullshit.
So of course, he doesn't really

1436
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,320
say, like, I love you, but he
says that line about you're the

1437
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:14,040
first person who see me as a
man.

1438
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:18,320
And you can kind of get that.
He does love her.

1439
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:21,280
Maybe not in love with her, but
he does care about her.

1440
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,320
He cares about her enough to not
want to see her hurt.

1441
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,040
So they go into this little
cabin, You know, of course, she

1442
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,160
starts trying to seduce him.
She ties his arms to the bed.

1443
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:35,560
I was like, this is not going
the way the Ran thinks this is

1444
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,120
about to go.
She climbs on top of him and

1445
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,360
what does she say to him?
She said I have a secret too,

1446
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:42,920
Rand.
I'm a monster too.

1447
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,800
He was like, what do you mean?
And she starts shimmering, like

1448
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,400
literally starts vibrating to
the point where she looks like

1449
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:52,240
she's shimmering and you can see
his whole face change like what

1450
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:53,720
the fuck is going on?
What are you doing?

1451
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:57,160
What's going on?
No, that remind me of that scene

1452
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,920
and I'm going to get you sucker,
where he says that I'm not

1453
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:03,480
really a a war hero.
And Emory Johnson says, well, I

1454
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:05,240
have a secret too.
And she starts taking the wig

1455
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:06,960
off and takes her arm off and
takes her eye.

1456
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,040
Yeah.
Like, yo, that's too.

1457
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:10,960
Yeah.
Like that's too much

1458
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,000
information.
Like yo, I don't need to know

1459
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,560
all this.
Yeah.

1460
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,280
Like damn.
So she starts doing that and I'm

1461
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:22,680
like, oh, this is about to not
be good for Ran, and Ran is

1462
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,280
looking.
He's about to panic.

1463
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,640
And then all of a sudden you see
a fucking sword go through

1464
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,040
Celine's chest.
And I was like, who?

1465
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,680
Here comes Moraine.
I was like, oh, OK.

1466
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:36,440
So she did sit down and have tea
with her sister.

1467
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:45,720
They didn't have a choice.
So she she stabs Celine through

1468
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:50,080
the chest and then she pulls her
head back and she slashes her

1469
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:54,080
throat and Rand is sitting here
trying to figure out what the

1470
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,880
fuck is going on.
Did Moraine said, I really just

1471
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,480
kill somebody?
And so when when she cuts him

1472
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:03,160
loose, of course he's mad
because this is the woman that

1473
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:07,560
he has literally just proclaimed
love for on the ground, bleeding

1474
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:11,640
out dead.
And so he uses the one power to

1475
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,640
kind of subdue Moraine.
And he's really about to like

1476
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,560
hurt her.
I feel he was like, you killed

1477
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,760
her.
And she was like, it's not what

1478
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,200
it seems.
She was like, she's not dead,

1479
01:28:22,440 --> 01:28:24,080
but we have to get out of here
now.

1480
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,520
He was like, you literally just
slit her throat.

1481
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,440
She's she's like that.
Wouldn't even that that's not

1482
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:32,640
even leave a scratch.
But this is what I need you to

1483
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,280
understand.
That is not slim.

1484
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:39,080
That is land fear.
She is Ishmael's basically his

1485
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,320
right hand.
She's his most powerful

1486
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:46,880
Lieutenant and he let her out.
We need to go and Ran is looking

1487
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:51,200
at her and I guess I don't know,
maybe something in the way her

1488
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,880
face was because Lorraine looked
scared as fuck.

1489
01:28:54,440 --> 01:28:56,920
She was scared.
And he was looking like.

1490
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,080
She's.
Scared.

1491
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,480
OK, Yeah.
So she's like, we need to run

1492
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,640
now.
He picks up the sword.

1493
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:07,680
He looks down at Celine, leaves.
And then, of course, you know,

1494
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:09,520
we're looking at Celine's dead
face.

1495
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,520
And then all of a sudden, her
eyes closed.

1496
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:14,720
I was like, yeah, I knew we
couldn't trust this bitch.

1497
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,840
Knew it.
But I've been, like I said in

1498
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:22,240
the last episode, 2 episodes
ago, Rand, I understand you're

1499
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:23,640
lonely.
I understand you're missing your

1500
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,680
folks.
I'm gonna need you to keep it in

1501
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:28,520
your pants and stop worrying
about trying to get your rocks

1502
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,960
off while people are looking for
you trying trying to do whatever

1503
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,440
like.
He's the he's the epitome of

1504
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:38,000
young, dumb and full of cum.
It's like, brah, just it's just

1505
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:45,040
easy for a second.
Wow, this wow.

1506
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,640
I'm just saying you haven't.
I haven't said I haven't heard

1507
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,360
that said in a while.
I just had to bring it back up.

1508
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:53,720
But but see, This is why every
time I see every time I see

1509
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:57,600
Rand, I just I get a headache
because I know he about to be on

1510
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,120
some bullshit and something's
going to happen to him.

1511
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,880
That might not be his fault, but
it's going to happen to him and

1512
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:07,960
I'm going to be like God.
He he is a he is a naive farm

1513
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:13,320
boy from the. 20 years old, Ben
has barely lived life.

1514
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,680
And this beautiful grown woman
came on him.

1515
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,240
I'm not saying that wouldn't do
the same thing and that I

1516
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,040
probably would be.
I was about to say because I was

1517
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,760
going to say don't lie, don't
lie.

1518
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:28,960
I will.
I will not lie.

1519
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:30,760
I'm not going to.
I'm not going to, not maybe

1520
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,920
going to fret.
I'd probably be the same way if

1521
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:36,280
I was out and about like roaming
the world and this woman came on

1522
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,040
to me and said, hey, I'm a
bartender, I'll get you drunk

1523
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,720
and get you drunk, fuck you and
and give you a bed.

1524
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,320
Cool.
Right.

1525
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,080
And.
And and here's the thing.

1526
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,040
Right.
He's in a vulnerable state of

1527
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:53,560
mind.
Here it is.

1528
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,560
You literally leave the girl you
love and all of your friends

1529
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,680
thinking you're about to go to
the Eye of the World and have

1530
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,520
this last battle with the Dark
One and die.

1531
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:07,600
Then you get to this last
battle, realize it's not the

1532
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:12,840
last battle at all, and you are
not, you know you're not going

1533
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,960
to die.
You're actually setting the Dark

1534
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:21,160
One free to roam the earth.
Then you have to leave so that

1535
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:23,680
everybody thinks you're dead, so
that you don't put them in

1536
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,680
danger.
And then you're in this town all

1537
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,440
by yourself.
You're lonely, you're confused,

1538
01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:33,080
you're scared.
He was vulnerable and she preyed

1539
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:37,040
on that.
So again, stop being so harsh on

1540
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:41,720
Ran because he really doesn't
have.

1541
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,120
I don't even want to say the
skill set to deal with all of

1542
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:51,160
that, but this is a guy who just
a few months ago was just a

1543
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:56,480
happy go lucky teenager living
his best life trying to honor

1544
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:01,280
his friends at bell time and
then Trollix come attack you and

1545
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:05,840
your life is literally trauma
trauma, trauma, chaos, chaos,

1546
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,280
chaos.
From that point on.

1547
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,840
Cut him a little slack.
That's that's just all I'm

1548
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:12,520
saying.
You're the.

1549
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,760
Boy, that's that.
But that scene where where Ivan

1550
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:20,000
was reading the prophecy and she
was tying his hands on the bed,

1551
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:24,560
I was like, oh God, you.
Turn into a horror movie real.

1552
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,080
Quick yeah.
I was like, I was like, Rand's

1553
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,000
gonna.
I was just going to lose an

1554
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,800
appendage like something like or
someone's gonna.

1555
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:35,640
I was like, ran, run.
I feel like Whoopi Goldberg.

1556
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:38,040
And it goes like you in danger.
Boy, you got to go.

1557
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,800
I'm not going to lie, this just
like the first time I watched

1558
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,200
this episode, I I was not
expecting in life to come

1559
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,200
through her chest, that sword to
come through her chest.

1560
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,160
Listen.
You just faked it the first time

1561
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,920
and for even though I've seen
the episode and they've seen it

1562
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:55,800
several times, I still the Oh
shit.

1563
01:32:56,200 --> 01:33:00,000
Yeah, same.
I did the same thing because I

1564
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,160
have forgotten.
Like I said, it's been what,

1565
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:08,280
two, 2 1/2 years since I've
seen, yeah, literally since the

1566
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,400
the second season release.
So I haven't rewatched it.

1567
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:16,240
So a lot of what's happening in
the episodes, it's almost like

1568
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,880
I'm watching it for the first
time because I've, I've

1569
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,680
forgotten.
So going through all of that and

1570
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:26,200
when she started tying his hand,
I said, oh, I think I kind of

1571
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:30,160
sort of remember what happened.
I remember that she ended up

1572
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,400
dead.
It took me a minute to remember

1573
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,200
that Moraine was the one that
who did it.

1574
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:40,000
When the sword came through the
chest I was like where the hell

1575
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,560
did sword come from?
But then I thought about it when

1576
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,960
they walked into the cabin after
the whole thing with the fade,

1577
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:50,160
they walked in hand in hand.
He left his sword on the ground.

1578
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,240
I was like round why the fuck
are you leaving your sword

1579
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:54,360
outside?
Like literally something just

1580
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,560
tried to kill you.
Why are you leaving the sword

1581
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,200
outside?
But that's OK, 'cause Moraine

1582
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,480
found that she used it for what
she needed to use it for.

1583
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:04,000
And he was.
He was distracted.

1584
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:08,800
Yeah, and now they're on the
run, so I'm like, OK, well, at

1585
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:12,000
least two of the Scooby gang are
back together again.

1586
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,120
We don't know what's about to
happen with E Gwen and Naive

1587
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,880
Karen seems to be doing a little
bit so.

1588
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:24,440
That's like Fred and.
Shaggy.

1589
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:31,560
Is that be like Fred and Shaggy
of the Scooby Gang and then

1590
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:32,840
parent?
Parent will be Scooby.

1591
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,160
Oh my God no.
Hopper will be Scooby.

1592
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:40,240
I'm operating a dog.
OK, but anyway, where was I?

1593
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:44,040
I'm still.
Confused right now?

1594
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:48,560
Parent isn't a dog either.
OK, he's a werewolf.

1595
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:49,680
I'm sorry.
Let me get back.

1596
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:57,640
To him, Oh my God.
They can't make that square pig

1597
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,720
feet in the round hole you just
can't do.

1598
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,720
It he's gonna keep trying.
You just might.

1599
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:03,640
It's literally.
Just fun.

1600
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:07,840
Now I'm just like I I thought
you I got I'm going to be

1601
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,360
honest.
I've already I accepted it by by

1602
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,560
the first time we first time we
tried to do it there by episode

1603
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,920
2, I was just like, I already
accepted he's not a werewolf.

1604
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,920
It's just fun watching you guys
hit your forehead and be like,

1605
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:23,760
God damn it, Mike, stop it.
I think you're just looking for

1606
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,400
an excuse to have a drinking
game.

1607
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:31,600
Just I don't mean excuse.
As you're drinking your wine out

1608
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:36,160
of your water bottle like.
No, that's that's, that's a

1609
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,280
shaking vitamin thingy.
There's vitamins and minerals in

1610
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:41,760
there.
Oh, OK.

1611
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:48,160
So so so me and this got Matt
going somewhere and we got my

1612
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,200
knee, Elaine and.
Duane.

1613
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:56,120
Duane knocked out.
And probably going somewhere we

1614
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:59,400
just.
Don't know Rand and Marine in

1615
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:04,840
the wind going somewhere so you
know, typically like how shows

1616
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,480
are written, they must all be
headed to the same place.

1617
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,720
That's.
Also, because we are halfway

1618
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:16,040
through the 2nd, so we, we got
to get some kind of meet up

1619
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:17,800
convergence, whatever you want
to call it.

1620
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,600
But you know, I just thought
about something, and I don't

1621
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:24,040
know if this is a memory tickle
in my head or if it's something

1622
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:27,800
that I thought about when I was
first watching this episode.

1623
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:33,800
So Leandron comes in, she's
talking about the war in the

1624
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:35,640
West, right?
She's talking about the Sean

1625
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:41,920
Chan.
What do the Sean Chan have that

1626
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:47,720
Leandron just knocked out three
of or maybe 2 1/2?

1627
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,120
Yeah, we haven't exact.
We haven't seen whether or not

1628
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:56,280
Elaine can channel yet or not.
But I'm like, is she about to go

1629
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,160
make a trade?
What is she about to go do?

1630
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:06,920
But the fact that she sent men
on this mission with Matt, and

1631
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:12,560
the person who men was supposed
to meet was Ishmael, and the

1632
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,040
fact that Ishmael is right now
seated at the right hand or the

1633
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,880
left hand of the Sean Chan
leader.

1634
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:26,320
Now I'm wondering, OK, is
Leandran a part of this mess?

1635
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:31,160
That because that's too, there's
too many dots that are

1636
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:34,200
connecting.
That's too much 6�� of

1637
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:37,840
separation, you know,
connecting.

1638
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:46,200
Yeah, because lady, lady Sarah,
obviously Ishamael is

1639
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:53,280
manipulating everything.
Obviously he's he's got he's got

1640
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:59,640
man fear with Ren men with Matt.
He's already spoken to parents,

1641
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,920
so he knows what he he already
got his fingers on pairing and

1642
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:06,880
and.
Manic Wayne and 90 were the only

1643
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:10,480
two.
Yeah, so and, and again,

1644
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:17,560
Leandron ties into men and Matt,
she ties into naive Annie Gwain.

1645
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:20,560
So it sounds like you're saying
she working for Ishmael?

1646
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:27,960
I kind of figure she might be
because all like with everything

1647
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,040
that's going on here in the
city.

1648
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:35,520
Oh yeah, Because the deal that
men had was with Leandron and

1649
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,360
he's based.
Like, who do you think was going

1650
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,080
to do it right?
Yeah.

1651
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:44,720
So she has to be.
Yeah, yeah, because with all the

1652
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:48,960
stuff that's happening in
Tarbell on right now and in on

1653
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:53,120
that side of the country, why
are you your one little I said I

1654
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:56,360
why are you worried about what's
happening all the way across on

1655
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:59,600
the other side of the world?
You know what's fun about this?

1656
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:04,160
Knowing everything that's going
to happen like even in the books

1657
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:08,280
and in this show, this is it's
it's still kind of hard to talk

1658
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:13,440
about the show and, and well.
According to you, they don't.

1659
01:39:13,480 --> 01:39:15,240
They don't necessarily follow it
so.

1660
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,840
They they don't, but they're
they're keeping a lot of this,

1661
01:39:20,280 --> 01:39:22,240
this.
Well, I only want a spirit.

1662
01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:24,800
They're keeping some of the
threads the same.

1663
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,280
OK, some of the a lot of the the
threads are are still the same.

1664
01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:32,920
The characterizations are a
little weird.

1665
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:38,760
It's certainly Andrew.
This is the Bitch is evil and

1666
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,000
nobody likes her, but you know
she's a.

1667
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:45,160
Bitch, she's a bitch.
Yeah, the characterizations are

1668
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,440
often now that I I got the fact
that they're just trying to give

1669
01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:52,760
them depth and not have them
just be one note characters, it

1670
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:57,000
kind of makes it makes sense.
But they're they're all still

1671
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,800
serving the same purpose and
doing the same stuff.

1672
01:40:02,200 --> 01:40:05,080
Yeah.
And it it's hard like is is

1673
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:10,840
obvious, like Leandro is working
for Ishmael and men kind of that

1674
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:12,560
whole men thing makes it
obvious.

1675
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,720
But it's hard as as a book
reader to not be yelling out

1676
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:19,560
loud.
The problem with Leandro, you

1677
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,320
know, is really hard.
It's really hard.

1678
01:40:24,280 --> 01:40:28,200
Yeah, I I can understand, and
I'm saying this as a non book

1679
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:31,760
reader.
Like there's certain things like

1680
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,680
at first when we're introduced
to her character, she just seems

1681
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:39,080
to be ambitious and single
focused.

1682
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,880
Like, OK, I just want to get rid
of the Men Who channel.

1683
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,440
That's all I care about.
But now we're starting to see,

1684
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:48,040
like you said, a little more
depth to her character because

1685
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:54,200
if she is, whether it's just
working with Ishmael to do

1686
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,880
whatever it is she's trying to
do, or if she's a dart, if she's

1687
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,960
a dart friend, I have questions
about that.

1688
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:05,720
Because then you got to figure
out how the hell is an ICID I,

1689
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:10,320
someone who literally had to
take oaths to become an ICID I,

1690
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,680
how do you become a dart friend?
I'm sure we'll probably explore

1691
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:18,760
that in some of the later
episodes, especially once we

1692
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:23,320
confirm what is going on with
Leandro, because it could be

1693
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:27,040
that she's not a dark friend.
She could be, she could be

1694
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:31,480
trying to manipulate Ishmael.
I mean, we don't know.

1695
01:41:31,480 --> 01:41:34,400
She can have a deal to save.
She can also have a deal to save

1696
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,040
her son.
To save her son.

1697
01:41:36,040 --> 01:41:38,480
So we don't know what her
motivation is yet.

1698
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,000
I'm sure we'll find out pretty
soon.

1699
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:44,320
And I'm sure if if it's in
keeping with her character,

1700
01:41:44,440 --> 01:41:46,080
she's probably still going to be
a bitch.

1701
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:48,080
She's probably being a deceitful
bitch.

1702
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:54,760
And we're just, you know, yeah,
but halfway through the season

1703
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:56,960
already.
So, yeah.

1704
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:02,840
And I, I will say this, even
though, yes, we, we got more

1705
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,120
information about what's going
on with the individual

1706
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,520
characters.
Again, kind of like you,

1707
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,400
Anthony, we need to start
picking this up.

1708
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:14,280
We need to start picking this up
because again, I think for this

1709
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:19,760
story, most of the interesting
things happen when they're all

1710
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:23,160
together.
That's when shit really starts

1711
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:26,960
popping off.
So I need, I need Moraine and

1712
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:31,360
Land to figure out their thing,
if that's a thing to figure out.

1713
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:36,360
I need the five friends from the
Two Rivers to kind of come back

1714
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:41,840
together and, and whatever.
Yeah, but but like you said, I

1715
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:46,960
feel like they probably are all
being pushed in the same

1716
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:50,440
direction.
At least we know Matt and Matt

1717
01:42:50,440 --> 01:42:54,320
and men are probably going to
end up somewhere near Perrin

1718
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:58,400
because Ishmael's very
specifically told men take him

1719
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,520
to Karian.
Why would he tell her to take

1720
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:07,160
him to a specific city if he
didn't have plans for something

1721
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,320
happening in that city?
Now, whether or not he has plans

1722
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,080
for Matt, I don't know, because
at this point Matt seems

1723
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,720
harmless to everybody.
He was probably the most

1724
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:20,720
harmless out of the whole group
because he hasn't had contact

1725
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:26,160
with the dagger.
We know he can't channel and he

1726
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:30,480
literally has had nothing to do.
So he's at the moment the least

1727
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:33,280
dangerous of them all, which
means he's probably the most

1728
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,800
dangerous of them all because
that means that they're going to

1729
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:39,000
do something later on that just
kind of.

1730
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:43,120
Then it, then then Ishmael have
the dagger right now where's the

1731
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:44,560
dagger?
Or this?

1732
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:51,000
Ishmael, I think, Oh no, Pat and
fame had well, but but again,

1733
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:54,520
OK, that's another thread that
ties because we saw Pat and fame

1734
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:56,440
with Ishmael at the beginning of
the season.

1735
01:43:57,240 --> 01:44:00,880
Yeah, so.
So I mean, there there's still a

1736
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,560
chance that someone could with
the knife can get close to Matt

1737
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:07,480
and Matt can can start like
getting that, getting that itch

1738
01:44:07,480 --> 01:44:10,160
and trying to try to steal it
from him again and shit.

1739
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,960
Yeah, Yeah, Chris.
What was Chris Frank in New Day

1740
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,880
City?
It keeps calling me.

1741
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:27,480
It's calling me.
OK, yeah, I mean, but see this

1742
01:44:27,480 --> 01:44:28,600
is what this one.
They did in.

1743
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,080
This one they did in the first
season when Matt, when Matt

1744
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,080
first got the dagger, it's like
all of them scattered and

1745
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:37,200
separated and they had to be
drawn back together into another

1746
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:40,360
thing that's like.
I will say, if this if this is

1747
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,440
the pattern that shows on the
tape, you're going to have a

1748
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:45,080
problem.
What as far as being?

1749
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:48,360
Together and then at the end of
the season, split them up and

1750
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,400
then spend the whole season,
bring them back together.

1751
01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:52,920
Then next season split them up.
No.

1752
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:55,960
Oh wait, that's that's what
happens in the books.

1753
01:44:57,120 --> 01:45:00,680
Never mind.
What you say you take it back.

1754
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:04,160
I'll take it back, OK.
That's that's supposed to

1755
01:45:04,160 --> 01:45:08,800
happen, yeah.
OK, well, I think we talked

1756
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:11,280
about everything.
Did we leave anybody out?

1757
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:15,520
Low low gain for a second, but
he's alright.

1758
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:18,080
Yeah, low gain.
Just low gain.

1759
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:21,920
Just realized that Moraine
manipulated him being there

1760
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:25,320
because she basically wants him
to train Rand.

1761
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:30,200
Yeah, of all fucking.
What?

1762
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:33,200
See this is This is why I have
trust issues.

1763
01:45:33,480 --> 01:45:37,120
It's like you got Moraine
trusting a man who damn near

1764
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:41,120
killed all the Isodai he was
around when he channeled but he

1765
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,680
can't tell anymore.
But she wants him to teach Ran

1766
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:48,040
all he knows about channeling.
I'm like, like, of all people.

1767
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:54,760
What I mean, it makes sense.
Though, and and that's the only

1768
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:57,400
person she got.
Yeah.

1769
01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,320
Someone has to teach them.
Yeah.

1770
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:03,320
Now let me ask you a question.
Is the way that men channel

1771
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,840
different from the way women
channel?

1772
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:10,840
Like would Moraine or any of the
ice and I be able to train ran

1773
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:13,320
if that was the case?
I mean, I know they are.

1774
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:15,800
OK, OK.
That's what I wanted.

1775
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,520
To I'm just going to say.
Now OK.

1776
01:46:20,440 --> 01:46:25,280
Yeah, it it's often been
described like men channeling

1777
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:30,200
men is like, it's like a hammer.
Women Chung is like a scout.

1778
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,720
Ah.
OK, OK.

1779
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:39,680
The the way they draw cause
siding and Sidar is two sides of

1780
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:41,480
the one power, but they're
they're different.

1781
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:43,480
OK.
And if I remember, men are

1782
01:46:43,480 --> 01:46:48,240
strong in fire.
Obviously we've seen rain, like

1783
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:51,680
all he does is fire.
Yeah.

1784
01:46:52,120 --> 01:47:01,240
Fire in Earth, and I think women
are that that spirit and air,

1785
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,000
something like that.
OK.

1786
01:47:04,440 --> 01:47:11,240
But yeah, they're they a woman
cannot teach a man channel

1787
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:14,080
because they the way they do it
is totally different.

1788
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:17,560
OK.
Even how it's described, like

1789
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:22,760
picturing a blood, a bud in the
bud blossoming, you know for the

1790
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:24,080
women, how they.
Like Alana?

1791
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:29,240
Right.
For for men, I can talk about

1792
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:33,280
this because he wasn't included,
but when Tam Alfour was teaching

1793
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:40,320
Ran how to shoot arrows, he
talked about focusing on a flame

1794
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,480
and trying to focus in on that
flame.

1795
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:49,000
And that's that is like how Ran
sort of perceived telling.

1796
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:54,880
OK, OK, now I have a question.
I don't know it it if it might

1797
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,880
be spoilery towards the show
then don't answer it.

1798
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:02,040
But I have a question.
As far as book characterizations

1799
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:08,680
go in the books, does Tam know
that Rand is special in that he

1800
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:12,200
can channel?
Does he have an idea?

1801
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:14,120
No.
OK, OK.

1802
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:18,360
He just knows he's IEO.
OK, OK.

1803
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:23,080
All right.
Anybody have final thoughts,

1804
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:24,520
Mike?
You got some shout outs you want

1805
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:27,160
to do?
Alright, shouting and Eve coming

1806
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:32,000
in to talk to a Gwen.
She went went into Elaine's room

1807
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,280
and she was like, yeah, give us
a minute.

1808
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:37,160
You give us a moment.
She's like, this is my room.

1809
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:43,600
Gave her gave her the bombastic
side eye and she was like, oh,

1810
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:45,680
and this is my glass.
I need to clean.

1811
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:50,880
I'll be back.
Now he gave her that, like I

1812
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,040
said what I said.
But he's getting the hang of

1813
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:57,480
being being like behave of
having that see this, this is

1814
01:48:57,480 --> 01:49:00,360
what I need needed.
She needed that little one up.

1815
01:49:00,840 --> 01:49:04,320
It's like be and have people
recognize that one up where

1816
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:08,800
she's like, OK, I'll just wait.
This is oh, then she gives me

1817
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,240
that look and that look has a
little bit of oomph to it.

1818
01:49:11,240 --> 01:49:15,040
You know I damn.
If I was accepted, I'd be

1819
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:16,800
looking in now.
You like that bitch don't even

1820
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:18,360
channel.
I should be in a snippet.

1821
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:25,440
No, because if you think about
it, the the word has gotten out

1822
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:29,280
that she channeled inside the
arches because the the warder

1823
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:31,320
and training said something to
her about it.

1824
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:33,720
So yeah.
You supposed to take her word

1825
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:35,400
for it?
You supposed to take her word

1826
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:37,080
for it.
This came to channel.

1827
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:39,760
And you see her when they
thought she was dead.

1828
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:42,880
She come to youth classes and
they asked her to do the

1829
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:45,160
simplest things and she can't
even do it.

1830
01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:47,840
Oh, I'm starting not to believe
anything they say.

1831
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:49,840
About that.
But then here's the other thing.

1832
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:52,400
I think we talked about this in
the last episode.

1833
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:56,480
If you remember, out of her
second, her second trial, she

1834
01:49:56,480 --> 01:50:01,600
actually walked out with objects
when technically speaking,

1835
01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:04,480
according to what they know
about The Archers, she shouldn't

1836
01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:07,240
have been able to do that.
So yeah, three people are

1837
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:08,160
looking at her.
But she didn't.

1838
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,640
She didn't walk out of The
Archers or anything.

1839
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:17,280
That was part of the vision.
I still have to go, I still have

1840
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:21,320
to go back and I still have to
go back and look and see if if I

1841
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:23,920
feel like that's what happened.
That is what happened.

1842
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:27,480
She was still inside 'cause they
were sitting there out there

1843
01:50:27,480 --> 01:50:29,320
waiting.
I guess she ain't coming back.

1844
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:37,600
No, no again.
If I wasn't accepted I'll be

1845
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:41,600
questioning the sisters about
this woman that y'all keep

1846
01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:46,800
claiming is the most powerful
channeler we've seen in 1000

1847
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:54,400
years and she can't even handle.
Well here's the thing, they know

1848
01:50:54,400 --> 01:51:00,280
that she can channel when it
when it's needed the most and

1849
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:03,040
they know how.
Like you literally brought

1850
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,160
people back from the brink of
death.

1851
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:08,440
I don't care, I don't care.
Only because they can't lie.

1852
01:51:08,440 --> 01:51:11,760
That's the only reason why.
Because anybody handful lies

1853
01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:14,240
that I've seen them do it.
Anybody.

1854
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:15,880
Handful.
The only.

1855
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:18,840
Person they.
Seen that was Moraine and seen

1856
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,160
even the tower.
That's OK.

1857
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:24,480
That's one of the reasons why
the other accepted need to mind

1858
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:27,520
a fucking business.
Mind the business that pays you

1859
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:31,160
and IT ain't 90s.
You sure these bitches can't lie

1860
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:34,560
because they ain't seen that
cheap channel now one time she

1861
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:38,120
can't heal nothing.
She can't make the water clean,

1862
01:51:38,440 --> 01:51:40,120
she can't drink nothing.
She.

1863
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:42,240
Over here drinking dirty water,
I saw her.

1864
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:43,440
I saw her drink dirty water.
I saw.

1865
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:46,880
Her she would rather drink dirty
water than channel.

1866
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:53,560
She channeled in.
She channeled in four dollar

1867
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:55,520
$4.00.
There you go.

1868
01:51:57,160 --> 01:52:01,360
So the only people who saw that
was her friend and the woman who

1869
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:02,800
did.
That's it.

1870
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:06,880
OK.
The channel.

1871
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:09,120
I ain't seen her.
I ain't seen her move.

1872
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:10,160
Not them.
That's.

1873
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:13,800
OK, like I said, they need to
mind the business that pays

1874
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:16,240
them.
What's that show Witcher?

1875
01:52:16,480 --> 01:52:19,520
That's like the Witcher.
You got these, these cheats.

1876
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:22,240
They think they got all this
magic and they can't do nothing.

1877
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,600
She was traumatized.
You leave Jennifer alone.

1878
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:32,560
She was traumatized.
Look, I would go look, I would

1879
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:35,280
go.
I would go 10 toes down for

1880
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:36,720
Jennifer.
You better get off her.

1881
01:52:37,720 --> 01:52:41,160
I think I think our references
have have come to an end, but.

1882
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:43,840
You know what, we we used to do
that a lot.

1883
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:48,160
We haven't done it in a while.
So yeah, I, I, I'm happy.

1884
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:51,280
I'm happy.
Oh, I'm sorry, I I cut off

1885
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:56,680
Mike's shout outs.
Is it just me or is now that I

1886
01:52:56,680 --> 01:53:01,600
know Moraine's background does,
is Evelyn kind of reminding

1887
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:05,760
anyone else of Moraine?
Like it's, it's, is it possible

1888
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:11,000
that she could be, I mean,
Elaine, not Evelyn, Elaine.

1889
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:15,120
Oh, OK.
Like, like, I don't know, maybe

1890
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:17,760
it's just me.
It's just I, I, I see kind of a

1891
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:22,120
like coming from moderate
reasonable wealth or knowing

1892
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:25,400
like like a better life than
most other people.

1893
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:29,040
Yeah, I must say.
You know.

1894
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:32,840
Yeah, I can.
I can kind of see her having

1895
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:37,800
similar traits to Moraine, but
again, we don't really know much

1896
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:43,000
about her character except that
she is the daughter heir of the

1897
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:48,280
country and she seems to have
taken and I don't even want to

1898
01:53:48,440 --> 01:53:52,640
know if I want to say an unusual
interest in E Gwen.

1899
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,360
But it's like has she even
talked to any of the other

1900
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:59,200
novices there?
Because all we ever see her with

1901
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:03,000
Izzy Gwen.
So I I don't know, I.

1902
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:05,760
Didn't want to talk to her
because they know that she's the

1903
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:08,400
daughter heir and they're like I
don't want to be around that.

1904
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:11,200
Is she?
I mean, especially her first day

1905
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,880
you see me them all bringing all
those back boxes.

1906
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:15,600
Uh huh.
Yeah.

1907
01:54:15,640 --> 01:54:16,800
She's.
I mean, she thought she thought

1908
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:17,960
that Gwen was one of her
servants.

1909
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:19,360
Like, OK, just put the pillow
over there.

1910
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:19,840
Thank you.
Yeah.

1911
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:23,440
And Graham was like, I wish that
would have been.

1912
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:24,560
I wish that would have been
naive.

1913
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:25,840
Naive would have hit her with
the pillow.

1914
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,040
It'd been a pillow fight Without
what?

1915
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:33,200
Yeah, but OK.
Alright.

1916
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:36,280
Any final thoughts?
Final final thoughts.

1917
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:38,880
No, I ain't got nothing.
I'm just going to keep talking

1918
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:41,440
to me because I I still believe
my dog parents, the werewolf,

1919
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:43,320
but just just going and.
You know what?

1920
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:46,160
And on that note, that is it for
our show.

1921
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:49,960
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1922
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:52,800
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1923
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,720
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1924
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:56,680
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1925
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,760
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1926
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:02,560
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1927
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,240
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