The Wheel of Time S2E5 - Fandom Hybrid Podcast #343

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What's up, hybrids?
Welcome back to another episode

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of the Phantom Hybrid Podcast.
This is Hanukkah and I'm here

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with Anthony and Mike and we are
discussing season 2, Episode 5

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of the Wheel of Time series.
And where do we want to start

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with this one?
Do we want to start from the

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beginning?
Let's just start at the

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beginning.
Let's start at the beginning.

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OK, so we have the Sean Chen.
I guess they have gone back to

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their home country area,
whatever it's called, but that's

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farm right where they are with
the the High Lord Turek.

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Turok.
Turok.

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Well, I wouldn't call it their
home country, but they have this

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is like their, this is one of
their bases of operation.

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One of the places they've
colonized, maybe?

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Yes.
OK, OK.

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Or in they claim reclaimed it
but you.

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Know, yeah.
OK, potatoes, potatoes, bowling,

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mash.
And Speaking of the Stew,

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whatever.
Right.

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OK, so semantics.
What I find interesting about

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all of this is I thought that
Lady Surah was the leader

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because of the way that they
treated her when they were in

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the village.
Oh, no, there's somebody above

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her.
Has to be a brother.

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I'm like, OK, here you go.
Got black people colonized, but

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OK, whatever.
But I find it interesting that

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when they come back and she's,
you know, they're doing their

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whole little, I guess you could
say presentation or just kind of

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presenting themselves to him.
He is pissed because he was like

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you went and did what I told you
not to do.

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You went way across the sea and
you claimed a city that what did

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he say?
We didn't.

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We didn't even need.
And it's too far for them to

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hold.
That too.

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And he was like against my
orders.

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And even though she has her face
covered, you can tell she has

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major, major attitude.
She feels like she's supposed to

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be the one in charge.
You can just tell it from the

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way she was acting.
And even Ishmael was looking at

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her like, if you don't shut your
mouth.

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And I was like, why is he where
I was like, oh, he's trying to

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keep up appearances.
There's something that he needs

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from this whole exchange.
He needs the Sean Chan army.

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He can't.
And this.

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Guy, He's the Lord Commander.
Right and how would?

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You tell by all the antlers that
he's wearing.

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The Atlas yes, OK, now question
because I'm I haven't planned in

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the background and I noticed
that the the big extended nails

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on his hand, those are just
attachments, but on hers were

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those her actual fingernails?
And is that a symbol of status

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for their people?
Yes, ma'am, that you can

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reasonably infer that that is a
status because everybody looked

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at her like, oh you, you've been
messed up now, right?

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And she lost her nails and he
said you can't come back to the

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court until you are presentable.
Which means the nails have to

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grow back.
Go back.

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Out.
Oh hell no.

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She.
Was like, wait a minute because

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when she helped them out, I was
like, what is she doing?

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Because we noticed that she does
a lot of gesturing with those

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nails.
And when that guy pulled out his

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sword, I said, oh wait, those
are her real nails.

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Those are not attachments like
what he has on his fingers.

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What makes you think he is our
attachments?

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There because when you when they
have a a close up of his hands

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when he's trying to open the
chest that has the horn of

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velir, you can kind of see and
this from someone who has worn

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fake nails before.
You can kind of see the way that

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the things are attached.
They look almost metal instead

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of it being like an extension of
his actual fingernails.

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You can kind of tell from the
way that it's attached that I I

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don't think those are his real
nails.

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I would say that they are known
to decorate and lacquer their

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nails.
OK.

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So a person as high as his
status would probably do that to

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his nails.
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And even since he's a a military
leader also he would he would

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put armor on them too.
OK.

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So here reminds me of what's his
name from Stargate.

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I literally was just about to
say that.

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I was just about to say he looks
like a Jafar.

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Yeah, he looks like Tilt.
He also noticed how he has no

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hair and you saw the people in
the court had different levels

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of hair being removed, so maybe
that could be a a status symbol

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as well.
OK.

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Yes, the it's just like the 80s,
like we had a really high, high

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top fade.
It's like you were up higher in

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the cast as opposed to just
having those short rounded one.

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Like I had a lot and people
laughed at you and teased you

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and said you had a baby fro and
so I'm sorry we talked about.

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He has with everybody.
He has no hair like he has no

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eyebrows nor hair on his head
anything.

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And even though like he, he
scarred his head as well.

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OK, so the other thing about
that whole exchange, so like I

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said, Lady Saroth, apparently
she has been demoted now because

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she got a little snippy with the
head and, you know, with the

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HNIC.
But it's so interesting because

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Ishmael is sitting on the side
of her and when the dude is

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trying to tell her, what did he
tell her?

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He told her to say something or
do something.

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He told her to kneel.
To kneel, yes.

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And Ishmael cause kneel.
Yeah, I was like, and the dude

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kind of looked over like, and
who the hell are you?

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Because she was not about to
kneel.

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She was, she was like, excuse
me?

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And she turned to look at him
for reassurance.

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Was like, oh, OK, So she
literally just told the leader

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who the boss of her was with
that one little gesture, which

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probably didn't, you know,
endear her to him any more than

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all the other stuff that she was
doing.

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But.
Yeah, I love, I love that little

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gas by Alwyn when they cut her
fingernails and she was like.

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Right.
Like, like I was that, that's my

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friend.
I was like, oh damn, she really

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fucked up.
Yeah.

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Well, I think another important,
well, another piece of

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information we get from the Lord
Commander is he said that he

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serves the light.
OK, so.

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Yeah, he got pissed off.
When, When?

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When she said maybe you made a
mistake.

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I don't make mistakes.
I served the light.

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Yeah, that was where I was going
next, right?

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And.
Their and their duty is to

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combine everybody in the world
in order to prepare to fight at

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the last battle against the
dark.

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Right, so my question is, does
he even know who Ishmael is?

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Because Ted, I'm.
Going to say, at this point of

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the story I I don't know if it's
clear.

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Or not OK.
Because remember, well, he may

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know.
He might know that he's a dark

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friend.
He might not necessarily know

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he's Forsaken.
OK.

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But I also remember they don't
call them forsaken.

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They call them, well, we're
here, later chosen.

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OK, so.
He may or may not know, but he

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knows that there he made it
clear that he serves the light.

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Yes, he did very much so.
So when he said that I was kind

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of looking, I was like, OK, this
seems to be like a very, very

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big conflict of interest because
she obviously, well, I was

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thinking before we saw them go
into the room and her, you know,

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she having that conversation
with Ishmael, it's like, well,

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maybe she's not quite sure.
Because the only thing we know

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of Ishmael with the Sean Chan at
this point is that he arrives

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with them.
We don't necessarily know that

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they knew who or what he was or
anything like that because we

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don't have any conversation with
them up until this point.

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So then when they go into her
room, because she's banished to

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her rooms and he starts having
the conversation with her, I was

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like, oh, so she knows that
she's serving someone of the

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dark and like, because she said
something about our master.

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Well, yeah, she was at the table
at the beginning with Ishmael.

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Oh, that's right, that's right,
she was.

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Now, I'm going to backtrack a
little bit.

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No, I don't think everyone
pretty much hates dark friends.

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OK, so if he knew that they were
dark friends, they'd be dead.

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OK, 'cause I was gonna say
Mike's boy Pat and Fame was

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there too, carrying.
The horn, like coming in with a

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horn with whistling, just like
what's up man, I got something.

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Walking.
Like, he's like, like he's like,

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he's Amazon.
Right, just kind of happy go

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lucky, like, yeah, I'm just
happy to be here.

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Like he's on the Soul Train line
or something coming up to the to

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the high Lord.
He's like.

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He right, he right in.
The head.

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He right in the head, but again,
he feels like he's on the right

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side of things.
He's like, yeah, I'm a dark

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friend.
I'm over here with the

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Lieutenant.
I'm I'm good.

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Yeah.
Let me present this to this

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dude.
And I mean, even even going so

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far as the bowing to him and
everything, I was like, I won't.

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Like, like, like exaggerated,
exaggerated, like bowing as far

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as he could, like, you know?
Right.

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Almost.
Like.

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He almost like a mockery in a
sense, but you know.

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But he, he know he didn't really
openly mock him because he got

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what he got, what he's trying to
get yet he's trying to get

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something.
So he, he figures I might as

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well, I might as well get down
so I don't have to lay it down.

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So.
Well, also, there's a box also,

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if the lady is if if she did
what she did and she's mouthed

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off the way that she did it, she
got her status cut off and we'll

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tell him what he would have done
to Pat and fain if Pat and Fain

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they.
Cut shit off me.

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I'm like, like, I don't even
know who you are.

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So I'll.
Do whatever you.

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Yeah, yeah.
As as a wise man once said, some

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men just want to watch the world
burn.

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Through that, Yep, that's Patton
Fein's ass.

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And that, that seems exactly to
be what he is.

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He's just like, yeah, I'm gonna
watch all of this burn, and I'm

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just gonna have a front row seat
with my popcorn.

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That's really what he seems
like.

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Because he's.
So I don't even know if I wanna

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say he's different from the way
he was when we first met him in

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the very first episode of the
series.

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Because even then he was kind of
cheerful, you know, because he

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was he.
Yeah, because he was pretending

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to be a merchant.
But now his demeanor, and I

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don't know if it's just because
we know that he's evil or if

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it's just that's how he's
playing it.

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He just seems so dark, even with
the the joyfulness and walking

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up with the horn and the the
whistling.

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And I was like, yeah, like you
said.

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And that was like something
right about this dude.

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Like, I really want parent to
find you and beat the shit out

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of you.
I really do.

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Yeah, no, no, no.
I'm looking at trucks nails.

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They look, they almost look like
he has four wands attached to

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his fingers.
Yeah.

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Like like they did they Yeah,
they look fake as shit.

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Yeah, but but maybe it's just
like the higher your your cast

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is on his council, like the more
dormant you can add to it.

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Like maybe that's like gold
flake or something.

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OK, I'll take it.
No, there's no.

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It's metal.
My bad.

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Yes, it's like they're they're,
they're like she, their sheets

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in metal.
Yeah, it's yeah, that's that's

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kind of, that was the word I was
looking for.

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I couldn't think of it, but
yeah, that's what it kind of

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looks like.
So.

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No, it is like they're literally
covered in metal.

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Yeah, so so maybe maybe they're
prostate, maybe, maybe, maybe be

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like, that ain't real.
Maybe he only has nails like

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that big if he's in the and he's
like compensating by wearing

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like really long metal metal
covers and there's nothing

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underneath it.
OK, now that that's that's not

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how that society works.
I'm just kidding.

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I'm.
Yeah, I can't walk around with

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prophylactics on your finger in
that society.

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You just can't.
Are we starting this early with

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the with the craziness, With
y'all we?

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Might as well shout them for
being able to open the box with

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with the horn in it with those
damn nails.

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Well, notice he was using the
fingers that don't have that

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don't have the nails on them,
because I was going to say that

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too, because I know like right
now my nails are kind of short,

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but usually my nails are about
an inch from the base.

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And I have to be really, really
careful with just those.

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I can't even imagine walking
around the way that they walk

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around and do.
I just, I can't, I can't.

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But I mean, he he kind.
Of looks like a weird DJ, like a

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DJ with two it's like.
Now I will say this, while

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ladies Sirach and and Ishmael
are having their conversation, I

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find it interesting that he
tells her he has a gift for her

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and they'll be here later.
I said that damn Leandron.

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She's bringing me Gwen and and
19 to him.

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Like I said last last episode,
sis bitch.

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And then then she had she had
them on in the in the their

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upside, their version of the
upside down.

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Yeah, I'm just like mother fuck.
I'm like and see this.

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I was I was thought like, OK,
maybe she's just a rebel, just

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doesn't like to follow rules.
But no, she's she's playing both

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sides.
She's a double age.

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She's done.
She's a whole double agent, an

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entire full-fledged double agent
on this shit.

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And I'm like mother.
And I was so mad because I was

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like, here we are looking at her
what she's doing for 9 even

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we're like maybe she really does
respect her, or at least I was.

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I would say that and all this
other stuff.

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No bitch, you was trying to rush
her through so that you can use

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her to give her to the Shante.
I was like this, like this

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bitch, but I have a question.
So when?

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She, I think it wasn't.
I think she was, Nanny said.

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You were rushing me because you
wanted to turn me to the dark.

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That's what she that's.
What?

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Yeah, but she was going to do
that by taking her to the Sean

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Chen, I think.
I I have a feeling she was

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trying to do that before she
gave turned her over and maybe

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she wasn't even going to turn
her over.

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She could turn into the dark
because they if if she turned

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into the dark, they probably
would not have been able to

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collar her.
OK, OK.

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OK.
Because she could've.

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She's gone to them and like,
look, she's on our side now.

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OK, so here's my question.
So while Leandron and Naive are

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having a conversation and Naive
is kind of figuring out what it

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was that Leandron is doing, one
of the things that she said was

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you attacked us, you broke your
oath.

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And I think I remembered, isn't
one of their oaths that they

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can't use the one power against
each other or they can't use it

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to harm?
They can't use the one power as

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a weapon.
As a weapon?

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OK, there you go.
They can use it in defense of

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themselves or to protect the
lives of others.

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They.
Can't use it as a weapon.

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OK, so, so we clearly see that
she, yeah, we clearly see

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Landrin is doing all of these
things.

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Like she said, she's broken
those oaths and so many more.

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So how is it?
And maybe maybe this is

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something that was explained in
the first season and I just

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don't remember it.
How is it that those oaths are

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taking?
Like do they, like we know when

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Moraine got banished, she there
was like an oath ride that she

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had to swear upon.
Is that something similar?

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For when they become Isodine,
they swear those three OS is it

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something similar to that?
OK, now how would one such as

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Leandro go about breaking those
oaths and what kind of

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consequences should it have on
them?

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Or is that going to be too
spoilery?

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Is that something I might find
out later on 'cause you're

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laughing?
You might be wandering in the

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spoilers territory.
OK, I don't want to wander into

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spoilers territory.
So so basically the important

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thing that that we know is she
broke them.

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She.
Broke.

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Yeah, it's possible to break
them.

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OK, Is it going to, is it going
to be like, like Dorian Gray

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looking into his mirror like
punishment like?

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That would definitely be
spoilery, Mike.

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Well, they give you kind of a
hint later because we'll talk

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about Lady Syrup and Ishmael's
conversation where he says I

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know why you swear the OS to the
Dark One.

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OK, yeah, because I so when they
had that conversation, she was

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being kind of mouthy with him
too.

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And as soon as he said that, her
whole fucking demeanor change.

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She was like, I may have been
too forward, my Lord.

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I was like, Oh yeah.
He he reminded her who she

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really worked for.
Right yeah, and she was just

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like, oh, OK, I'm sorry, my bad.
I spoke out of turn.

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I was like, oh, what does he
have on her?

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Look, I was about to say was she
was she and asked the doctor.

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But you know, maybe she maybe
she wasn't.

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I do know that when she had that
conversation with Leandro once,

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Leandro brought the three girls
to them.

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She and ladies to rock don't
like each other at all.

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Well.
The nobody.

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Nobody likes Leandron's ass.
Like nobody even good.

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I know, but this was like a
whole ditch.

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She basically called Leandron a
dog that wasn't even even worthy

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to be up under her shoe.
That's basically.

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Yeah, she.
You also have to remember that

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they come from a culture that
that that the Sean Chang culture

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treats women who can channel
like slaves.

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Yeah, and women who aren't
collared are basically wild

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dogs.
Yeah.

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That need to be tamed.
Which was so interesting to me

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that Leandra would turn over
those three girls to them

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because as much as she's always
spouting off about women and how

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much they have to struggle for
power and to make sure that the

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men don't treat them, you know,
blah, blah, blah.

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Like you are literally giving
these girls to someone who is

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going to treat them exactly like
that.

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Because you can't sit here and
tell me that a Gwaine, because a

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Gwaine is the only one who I
think was captured.

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Not even Elaine was able to get
away from them at first.

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You can't tell me that Wayne is
not gonna end up like that, like

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that blonde headed girl who's
got the gag and the collar and

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being controlled.
You can't tell me that's not

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about to happen.
So I was like really surprised,

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even though, yes, I know Leandro
and she's she's dark and I think

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one of the sisters later on in
the episode, she's she's

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mentioned the black Asha.
You know, I said I sisters who

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can who break their O's and they
serve the dark.

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She was like, oh, the black Asha
really exists.

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So I'm like, OK, at this point
you might as well have put like

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a, a, a a label on Leandra's
forehead saying black Asha in

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the.
House, she's wearing, she's not

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wearing a red cloak, she's
wearing a black cloak.

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What?
And her ring is a black ring

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now.
You know, I didn't even pay

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attention, probably because that
thing about the black Asha

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didn't come until later in the
episode.

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And I didn't.
I just thought that Leandra was

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probably, I don't know, just
maybe trying to disguise herself

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out in because of course, if she
goes out in her red, everybody's

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going to know, oh, she's red
Asha.

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She's red Asha, so I thought she
was just disguising herself.

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But now that I think about it,
the stuff with the black Asha

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was mentioned later on in the
episode.

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And I'm like, OK, if I go back
and I look and I see Leandra in

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the black, then that's going to
make a whole lot of sense now.

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So.
But yeah, 'cause.

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I didn't know this, the black
ring, until watching it again.

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I say details.
But yeah, I'm still even, even

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with all of that knowledge, I'm
still surprised because even

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when she was leaving, you could
see on her face that part of her

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was kind of like pissed that she
was leaving these powerful

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girls.
Well, again, we don't really

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know much about Elaine.
We saw her use a little bit of

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her power in this episode, but
part of her looked pissed that

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she was leaving these these
promising, talented, powerful

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women with them.
But.

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I'm sure she was pissed, but
because of her oath she has

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choice.
Yeah, that's what I was going to

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say, but we.
Can do a thing and she has to do

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a thing she doesn't have to like
it.

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She doesn't have to she she did
give them a chance to fight

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their way out, but.
Yeah.

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You know, she, she did what she
was told to do.

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Right.
You know, you, you gotta be real

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specific in your orders to
somebody, you know, I'm saying.

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Yeah, that's true.
All these Azadites, like there's

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always a footnote or like a
catch or like a little asterisk

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next to things with them.
It's like, yeah, you always find

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like they'll say something
that's like asterisk.

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There's a little hidden mean
there's a little something

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hidden under there.
Yeah, you told me the ketchup

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and bring to you.
You didn't tell me I didn't have

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to free him.
Right.

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I said I had to give him to you.
I called him.

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I brought him to you.
You lost him.

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Do you want me to do?
It's just like Black Widow in

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Civil War.
Yeah, I said I I said I'd help

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you find him.
I didn't say I was gonna let you

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take him.
Yeah.

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That that sort of thing.
Yeah.

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But OK, talking about them and
their temporary escape, at least

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for you know E Gwen because she
does get caught.

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I realized there is some
character development going on

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here and I realized it is slow
going.

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But the fact that Naive again,
they keep talking about how she

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is the most powerful channeler
in the last 1000 years and the

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moment that you have access to
your abilities and you have to

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use it to try to save your life
and your friend life, your

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friend's life and her friend's
life.

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You can't shit.
I'm just wondering what the hell

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is going on with her because
every time we see that Nyneve

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needs to to use her power for
whatever she's impotent and it's

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like dude what is going on with
you?

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There there's a point in the
book where she can't purposely

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even even in the book she she
can't purposely channel unless

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she's angry.
Being bound and captured by

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someone who you thought you was
slowly starting to she's.

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Running.
She's running scared.

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She wasn't angry.
No, when she was on the ground.

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Oh, I was going to say when she
was on the ground she wasn't

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running then, but yeah.
And also, yeah, and also

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television naive is not quite
the same as book night like.

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Nobody.
Nobody.

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Honestly, in both nobody likes
her.

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She's she's nasty as a jerk
asshole in the book.

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Very sweet though when she's
around land.

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I was about to say, how can you
be nasty, a asshole and a jerk

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and butt sweet though like she.
Was sweet around land and when

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it and when it came to the boys
and and the Two Rivers people,

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she she she could be hard on
them and tough on them.

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OK.
Because she became a wisdom at

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14 when her her teacher died.
So she had in everyone in the

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village said you were too young
to be a wisdom.

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And she was running around
healing people, helping people,

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doing all these things.
And they were still treating her

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like that.
So that's how she developed,

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developed that hard callousness
around her.

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And that's kind of what it is.
It's almost like a emotional

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barrier, which is sort of like a
block to her using her powers

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because she can really only use
them in the book.

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Only when she's really upset,
you know, she can let it go.

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00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,600
But here in the show, it's just
when she gets emotional and I

450
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,480
guess it wasn't enough emotion
for her to channel right then

451
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,320
because she's scared, trying to
run away.

452
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,440
I guess.
But you're right though, I, I

453
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,360
still don't quite like this
version.

454
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:19,640
Like, yeah, I don't know, I I
still need for them to do more

455
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,200
because, you know, Naniv is
still probably the number 2 most

456
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,560
popular character in the book
after Matt.

457
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,840
And.
It's, it's, it's kind of, it's

458
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,960
real difficult to watch this
version because she's very hard

459
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,160
to like.
And it's kind.

460
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,360
Of hard to root for her that
keeps like you said, they keep

461
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,800
saying oh she's the most
powerful channeler in 1000

462
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:42,960
years.
And we don't.

463
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,200
And then we don't see shit.
We.

464
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,160
Don't really see it.
Yeah.

465
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,640
And and it just, I guess it's so
interesting because, you know,

466
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,960
we see that she's developed a
very strong connection to land

467
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,000
just in, you know, these few
months that she's really known

468
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,080
him.
And, you know, the times that

469
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,960
we've really seen her lash out
is when it comes to him.

470
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:12,840
And I guess I'm just like, if
Wayne has been your friend all

471
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,280
of her life, like you helped
heal her from and that that just

472
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,880
kind of triggered my memory that
brake bones fever that she saw

473
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:27,080
the the accepted girl healing in
a couple of episodes ago.

474
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,120
That's the same thingy Wayne had
that she said that.

475
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:31,760
Was the first time she
channeled.

476
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,800
Right.
So I'm like this is your friend.

477
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,600
And again, I guess maybe she was
slow on the uptake, like maybe

478
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,320
she was still trying to get it
through her head that Leandra

479
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,640
actually kidnapped them.
And she was trying to figure out

480
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,680
because at one minute she's in
the ways and now she's looking,

481
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,600
she's like, there's trees,
there's grass, that's where we

482
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,120
are.
And who are these people?

483
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,000
But I'm like, you are bound.
Your, your power was shielded

484
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,680
for a minute and then, you know,
Leandra kind of let it loose.

485
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,920
But y'all are in chains, bonds,
whatever you want to call it,

486
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,280
and people are trying to capture
you.

487
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,280
It's kind of like, what more do
you need to get upset?

488
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,480
What more do you need to be
like, I'm not going with y'all.

489
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,360
And I guess I just, I don't
know, because Elaine had no

490
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,000
problems using it.
Iguane had no problems using it.

491
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,560
Like Iguan stood in front of
them and let that shield come

492
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,960
out.
I was like, oh, OK.

493
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,440
Yeah, I was impressed.
I was like, oh, oh, she's like

494
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,440
that OK.
Yeah, but I mean, all she did

495
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,640
was she used it to get her bonds
off of her and then they ran and

496
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:49,480
E Gwen used the shield.
But it was just like, I hate to

497
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,200
say it like this.
You got the three of them.

498
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,320
They're team mates on a group
project and the group project is

499
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,560
to get away from the Sean Chan
and I name is the one person in

500
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,680
the group project who did her
homework.

501
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,400
She has done her research, she
hasn't contributed anything to

502
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,520
the group.
She forgot.

503
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,600
She forgot the poster board and
the markers.

504
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,120
It's like but she's the one she
read the wrong.

505
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,640
Book.
Wait a second, in the last

506
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,640
episode I told you that the
novices are looking at her like

507
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,760
she ain't done nothing.
We ain't seen her channel that

508
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,120
one time and now she's an
accepted.

509
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:37,440
Y'all scoffed at me when I said
these novelists have not seen

510
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:43,240
her channel one time.
Not y'all keep telling us ain't

511
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,360
the only people who's seen her
channel are Marine and who ain't

512
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,480
even here in the tower and.
And.

513
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,160
Leandrian who's nobody likes and
we supposed to believe her

514
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,040
hands?
Cherium should be looking at her

515
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,720
like, what?
What?

516
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,680
What's What's the real problem?
So she walked into the arches

517
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,880
and came out.
Wow, she said.

518
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,880
She's channeling there, but did
anybody see it?

519
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,520
No.
So basically her powers are the

520
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,640
stars Snuffleupagus of the White
Tower.

521
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,600
So until I see her channel,
until I see it.

522
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,120
Well, you've seen it, so you
know she can do it.

523
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640
Which is why you should also be
frustrated.

524
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,480
I'm.
Speaking from the perspective of

525
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,760
a novice who've been busting the
ass from me.

526
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,800
I got you I.
Got you.

527
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,240
They can't even get the
opportunity to go through.

528
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,000
Well, maybe they're, maybe they
should be glad now that they

529
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,480
don't have an opportunity to go
through because other than that,

530
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,920
they'd be sitting over there in
front of the Shawn Chin with the

531
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,120
rest of the girls.
So, you know, maybe that works

532
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,120
out in their favor.
So back to what your analogy,

533
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,480
yes, she is the person in the
group who's going to benefit

534
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,280
from everybody else's hard.
Work yes, because she right now

535
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,240
she is free or at least because
I I didn't get I didn't get to

536
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,840
the last 10 minutes of the
episode so I don't remember what

537
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,040
happened at the end of the
episode but but she's free but.

538
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,320
You did this well, we did see
Wayne threw up the shield and

539
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,480
sacrificed herself so they could
get away.

540
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,280
Yes, and that's what I'm saying
Egwane fail because.

541
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,160
They didn't do the work.
Right, right.

542
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,120
And like Egwane and and naive
now are walking around in and

543
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,360
where foam didn't you say that
Anthony everybody's going to

544
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,240
everybody should be headed
towards the same place.

545
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,280
We've heard everyone mention
farm now and I need and Wayne

546
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,680
are actually there.
Parent has mentioned it.

547
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,440
I think Moraine has it's just
like, OK.

548
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,440
Before we leave, I need Vinny
Gwen Lane.

549
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,400
Let's talk about this blonde
Damani, the young girl.

550
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,280
This is like the third time
we've seen her.

551
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880
I think she.
I think I know who she is.

552
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,000
Oh, who she's.
Talking who we we don't know

553
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,480
yet.
We we haven't.

554
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,640
But she if she is swiping, she
is, she's going to be very

555
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,000
important later.
OK.

556
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,160
So just keep your eyes on that,
on that blonde, that blonde.

557
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,320
OK, OK.
That is the title of the

558
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,800
episode, The Bonnie.
It is, yes.

559
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,440
And it's only said one time
during the episode.

560
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,240
Oh.
Yeah.

561
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,920
Yeah.
OK, OK.

562
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,400
Yeah, because Lady Soros says
it, doesn't she, when she's

563
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,840
having the conversation with
Leandron and she's basically

564
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,640
like you, you wild dog, blah
blah blah.

565
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,320
If it was up to me.
Because what does she say?

566
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:59,120
She said the power is not just
freely given and where she's

567
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,400
from just because you happen to
be born with it.

568
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,480
She was like Ardamani.
They trained for years to prove

569
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,600
that they are that they that
they are worth having it or, you

570
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,159
know, being able to use it.
And I'm like but what does it

571
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,120
matter if y'all keep them
enslaved like.

572
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:24,840
The money, if I remember, stands
for the least ones and Meredith

573
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,440
Davani is those who who should
be leased.

574
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:30,960
Those are the wild ones.
OK.

575
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,719
Did she call?
Yes.

576
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,440
She she called, she did use.
Yeah, she did use that term

577
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,040
because I was going to go, I was
going to go look it up.

578
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,760
Yeah, if I remember, creating
means those who should be leased

579
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,800
and then the mind.
And her, in her mind, is all the

580
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,120
eyes to die.
Yeah, they're wild dogs.

581
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,280
Yeah, they need to be leased in.
College.

582
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,000
Yeah, but those threats between
her and Leandra, and I was like,

583
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,520
I want to see a fight between
them.

584
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,200
But my.
Here's my other question.

585
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Lady Siroth, can she channel?
You don't know OK Or you don't

586
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,280
or you know when you're not
saying OK, I just wondered.

587
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,480
I have.
No knowledge.

588
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,400
Because I was like, I really
want to see a fight between

589
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,640
those two, especially with the
way they were throwing verbal

590
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,040
daggers at each other like a
fight is inevitable.

591
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,000
And I just wanted to be one of
those fights where they are

592
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:34,080
whooping each other's ass and
then the last, the last lick

593
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,240
that either one of them throw
kills the other one and they

594
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,200
just both drop dead together.
I that's just kind of what I

595
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:49,000
want to see right now.
So, OK, So what let let's talk a

596
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,280
little bit more about Leandro,
but let's move on to another

597
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,760
part of the story.
Because Veron has arrived at the

598
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,520
tower and she's coming to look
for information.

599
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:07,320
She's coming to look for Iguaine
and Naive, and she keeps getting

600
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,040
the runaround because of course,
Naive and Iguaine aren't in the

601
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,480
tower and no one really seems to
know where they are.

602
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:21,200
So when she goes to shariums to
die, to ask Sharium is like, oh,

603
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,440
yeah, they've left the tower.
They went with the daughter,

604
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,240
heir to her brother's name, day
celebration.

605
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,880
And when she was saying all of
this, I was like, is she a dark

606
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,240
friend?
She's lying through her teeth.

607
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,280
She's lying very badly.
She's, I mean.

608
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,280
She's that.
Too, I feel, I feel like I felt

609
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,040
like Matt Murdock, like I feel
like I could.

610
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,040
I could hear her heartbeat,
fasting, beating really fast,

611
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,920
which when she was saying
everything she was saying I was

612
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,560
like you like, no.
I was like, she's not even

613
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,560
trying to be a good liar.
But then of course later on

614
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,760
while when they're trying to
figure it out, they're like, oh,

615
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:02,000
maybe she was coerced.
And I was like, oh, that would

616
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,360
make so much sense.
Because technically speaking,

617
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,640
she's not lying if she doesn't
know she's lying.

618
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,440
You know what I'm saying?
If someone coerced her, which I

619
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,160
was like, of course it would
have to be Leandrin because

620
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,360
Leandrin was the one that took
them out the tower.

621
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,680
And then I was like, oh,
Leandrin is doing all kinds of

622
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:27,560
shit, 'cause now she's using her
power to make her sisters lie so

623
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,240
that she can do what she needs
to do 'cause even Sharon said

624
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,000
that when she's looking in the
the book and she's saying it,

625
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,680
she's saying it like.
She doesn't remember that she

626
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,480
doesn't remember that she wrote
it.

627
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,200
Right.
And and she's also like, I know

628
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:49,280
I'm saying this like this is
what happened, but know if this

629
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,400
is it's it's almost like she's
doubting herself and she's

630
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,280
trying to figure out, wait, what
happened?

631
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,880
When did this happen?
I wouldn't have given permission

632
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,680
for them to go to a like, why
would she give permission for

633
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,280
Naive and a Gwaine to go to a
name day ceremony for somebody

634
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,120
they don't fucking know?
A Gwaine didn't even know Elaine

635
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,520
was the daughter air.
So why would she grant that

636
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,840
permission?
And Baron is just sitting there

637
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,600
taking it all in like.
OK, I'm surprised you didn't

638
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,520
make the connection between
Ravenclaw and the Brown Ozer.

639
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,280
You know I did, you know I did.
I just haven't mentioned it yet.

640
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,640
It's.
Only natural event the Ravenclaw

641
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,200
would become a brown ozer.
Yeah.

642
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,480
Right.
So yes.

643
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,360
To chain.
To Chain, Yeah, I was very

644
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,960
excited when I saw that she had
gotten cast in this.

645
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,120
And then when I saw her on the
screen, I was like.

646
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,520
And then of course, like you
said, pure Ravenclaw.

647
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,840
She's a brown Asha.
They, they are, they are the,

648
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,520
I'm guessing they are the like
the knowledge keepers.

649
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,480
They are the ones who who seek
knowledge.

650
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,160
And I mean, that's one of the
reasons why Baron is writing a

651
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,720
book and she was coming back to
get another book and all.

652
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,200
Is it this other stuff?
And she's just noticing.

653
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,920
Notice she doesn't say anything
to the contrary.

654
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,960
Even when Leandro comes back
into the tower, she's listening.

655
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,240
Leandra has her little alibi
straight.

656
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:24,040
And when she was saying all of
this, I was like, either she is

657
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,080
really, really good at lying or
she actually took the steps to

658
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,560
go to the city and get the white
asparagus so that she would have

659
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:36,200
her alibi was like this bitch.
No, she's, she's really good at

660
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,760
it because she's been hiding.
She's been hiding this shit the

661
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,880
whole time.
It's like she she has to be like

662
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,200
the epitome of liars like that.
Bitch is shady.

663
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:51,840
She is she man.
But even even with that, Vera

664
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,240
was kind of like, she didn't say
nothing.

665
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,720
She was just like, oh, OK, so
you have this.

666
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,440
So I came to meet the girls, but
they're not.

667
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,920
And Vandra was like, well, why
wouldn't they be in the tower?

668
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,760
Well, I heard that they went to
go, you know, they went with the

669
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,800
dark air.
You know, I heard that they're

670
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,280
that a convoy was attacked on
the way to Oh my God, if they

671
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,000
were, which I was like, yes,
bitch itch.

672
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,040
And then is just sitting there
like, OK, yeah, just gonna dig

673
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,720
that hole just a little bit
deeper, dig it just a little bit

674
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,880
deeper.
I was just like.

675
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,600
Yeah.
Then then she was like, we

676
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,560
should, we should go check what?
Come on, let's go.

677
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,400
Right.
Baron's just sitting there like,

678
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,640
like, I've never seen Leandra
this eager about anything in my

679
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,040
life unless it has to deal with
killing men.

680
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:51,160
So yeah, I was like, oh, is.
And then of course, for them to

681
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,160
sit here and figure out they're
looking at the the entry in the

682
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,200
book and they're like, OK, what
was what?

683
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,840
What was Katie Young's
character's name?

684
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,440
It was like Yasuka or something
like that.

685
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,200
Something like.
That Yeah, she was sitting

686
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,640
there.
She was like, OK, this is where

687
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,360
my.
I did.

688
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,880
Yes, thank you.
Because I can never pronounce

689
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,920
that word right.
Memory comes in place.

690
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,480
She was like, so this is her her
handwriting, but there's a

691
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,320
little section where the
handwriting looks a little bit

692
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,120
shaky, blah, blah, blah.
Like she wasn't sure.

693
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,760
And when you look at the hair,
right, and I'm like, who is

694
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,480
really going to pay that much
attention?

695
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,320
Like, really sit there and look
with the magnifying glass?

696
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,800
Oh, yeah, there's a little
squiggly line here that

697
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,720
shouldn't be.
Like, I was like, yeah, you

698
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,600
definitely brought the Ravenclaw
over into this one.

699
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,040
Because other than that, you
just sitting here thinking that

700
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,960
maybe Sharon said I was lying.
And I mean, if they hadn't, if

701
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,800
they didn't have that to go by,
they really could have thought

702
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,440
that Sharon was black Asha as
well, because she literally sat

703
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,160
there and told a lie, even
though in her mind she didn't

704
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,160
know it.
But yeah, I was like, how far is

705
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,800
Leandro's treachery gonna go?
Because I hate to say it, she

706
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,400
can't be the only one.
She cannot be working alone.

707
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960
She cannot be doing this alone.
She can't be.

708
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,080
Right.
You would think you, you, you

709
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,800
would think that there there'd
be someone else.

710
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:26,600
But I mean, I just thought that
she's she's so good at this is

711
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,320
scary.
Like, yes, but The thing is, if

712
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,680
she gets, I'm not even gonna say
if she gets caught when she gets

713
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,240
caught, because eventually she's
gonna have to get caught, OK?

714
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,600
Because now you have people from
the outside who are not living

715
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,920
in the White Tower with you, who
are there, who are observing

716
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,920
things that are not supposed to
be.

717
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,720
Varon is very sharp.
She's very observant.

718
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,560
I mean, we know that from when
Moraine was staying with her,

719
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,480
the different little things that
she was noticing that Moraine

720
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,280
wasn't saying anything.
You know, she was one who's

721
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,120
like, yeah, that boy that you
had and those other kids from

722
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,560
Two Rivers, one of them is the
dragon, right?

723
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,720
She was like, yeah, you ain't
have to tell me.

724
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,560
I just kind of observed like,
Varon pays close attention.

725
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,840
So somebody there has to catch
on, has to see that Leandra is

726
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,320
doing something that's not quite
right, or I mean even more not

727
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,800
quite right than usual.
Unless she has other people with

728
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,960
her, she can't fight a whole.
I don't think she's strong

729
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,800
enough to fight a whole tower by
herself.

730
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,680
The the White Towers official
stance is the Black Aza does not

731
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,680
exist.
But here these brown sisters

732
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:49,520
have proven that if Syrian was
under compulsion, then it had to

733
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,400
have been someone.
Who's?

734
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,520
Swimming to the dark.
Who else is it going to be?

735
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,760
Nobody else comes in the tower.
Nobody else would have that kind

736
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,440
of access to sharing.
Right.

737
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,920
Anyone who swear the oaths would
not be able to do compulsion.

738
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,600
Yeah.
So if they're if they're

739
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:14,120
channelling, it's a woman who's
an eyes to die who isn't sworn,

740
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,400
bound by the oath, Yeah.
IE black Asha.

741
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:25,320
Yeah, so, so and I think is this
the, this is the first mention

742
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,080
we've heard of Black Asha in
this series so far, right,

743
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,720
'cause I don't think that.
I don't think, I don't remember

744
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,240
if they mentioned it before.
I don't think.

745
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,680
They have and and then maybe
someone say they don't exist.

746
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:41,240
I don't know, I can't remember.
OK, yeah, I again, I do still

747
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:43,840
need to go back and rewatch
season 1, but I don't I don't

748
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,440
think they've mentioned it
before.

749
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:52,640
But again, that will be very,
that would be very interesting

750
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:59,520
if the one, if it's more than
her, because that means that

751
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,040
there is some other treachery
going on that we haven't even

752
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:10,720
seen yet 'cause again, that's,
that's a lot like, yeah, getting

753
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:15,080
2 novices or three novices out
of the cast out of the tower,

754
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,400
taking them to the Sean Chan.
Yeah, OK, that's something she

755
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,400
probably could do by herself,
but somebody's got a cover for

756
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,560
her.
Somebody's got to make sure that

757
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:29,600
everyone else is looking the
other way.

758
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,120
I I can't wrap my mind around
the fact that she would be doing

759
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:40,560
all of this by herself.
I think it was episode 4 very

760
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:48,520
mentioned the black Azure.
OK, OK, so Leandra, Leandra that

761
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:49,480
bitch.
Oh boy.

762
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,240
But OK, let's, let's, let's move
to some other stuff.

763
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:58,760
Let's talk about Rand and
Moraine for a little bit,

764
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,840
because I don't think I've ever
seen Moraine move as fast as she

765
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,000
is in at the beginning of this
episode.

766
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,320
Let me tell you, after seeing
where Landfire did bring herself

767
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,160
back, put yourself back
together.

768
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,040
If I knew she could do that,
I'll be running too.

769
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,960
This fish literally zipped her
throat back up.

770
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,600
Yeah, like a zipper.
She's literally like, like, like

771
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,440
the Scarlet Witch meets Freddy
Krueger.

772
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:29,000
I'm like, she is just just fuck
like all this stuff like.

773
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,480
Not even just the what she did
to to fix herself together, to

774
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,920
put herself together when she
goes searching for them and she

775
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,480
comes across the guy on his
horse and he's just asking

776
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,920
questions.
Like, he doesn't even know that

777
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,520
she's evil.
He's just like, hey, do you need

778
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,680
some help?
Yeah.

779
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,480
Where does this road go?
Sitar Valan.

780
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:54,360
Oh, He asked her one question.
And she just flicks her hand and

781
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:59,080
his whole fucking head exposed.
I was like am I watching the

782
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,600
boys?
What is going on here?

783
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,240
Wrong Amazon show.
Wrong show head popper.

784
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,160
It's almost like Doctor Strange
in a multiverse of madness.

785
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,600
Just like, oh God.
Just took his head clean off.

786
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,240
But, but can we back up for a
second?

787
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,000
Yes, I want, I want to take a a
moment.

788
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,560
Did you notice anything about
landfills channeling you?

789
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,800
Normally when you see an eyes to
die channel, especially when

790
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,400
they heal, you see threads of.
Oh, the you mean the black?

791
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,400
Yeah, I did notice that.
But I kind of figured, like, I

792
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,520
don't think that surprised me
because at the beginning of last

793
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,440
episode, when we saw Ishmael
breaking Landfair out of her

794
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:54,440
prison when she was forming, she
had like some black goo mixed in

795
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,960
with the red blood.
So that didn't really surprise

796
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,960
me much.
I just thought, I just thought

797
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,360
that that was just because she
was forsaken.

798
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,640
That's just how she channels.
But is there something

799
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,080
significant about that?
Yes.

800
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,840
That you can tell without it
being spoilery.

801
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,840
Let's do a little bit spoilers
Your your screen name says.

802
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,880
I promise most spoilers maybe
maybe under the maybe.

803
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,560
Aha so so here's here's a maybe.
That's not really a sporish, I

804
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,000
don't think.
Not yet.

805
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,200
By the time anything significant
happens, y'all won't remember

806
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,760
this anyway.
OK.

807
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,040
We we talked about the one power
and there's a male and female

808
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:40,320
side of the one Power and that's
Sidene and side Dog.

809
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,960
So that's what they're
channeling, right?

810
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,320
OK.
Sidene is for the women inside

811
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:49,760
ours for the men, right?
Or do I?

812
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,480
Or do I have that reversed?
Sidene is men side are.

813
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:01,520
OK, OK, OK.
The source of that is the true

814
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,640
source.
It comes from the will.

815
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,720
That's that's from the creator,
the true source.

816
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:14,560
OK.
However, there is another the

817
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,280
true power.
OK.

818
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,760
The true power has a source, and
it is the dark one.

819
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,960
OK.
That is a separate power from

820
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,920
the one power.
OK.

821
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,560
And the characteristics of
people who channel the true

822
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:41,080
power, the black specks in their
eyes is a characteristics of the

823
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,160
true power.
OK, OK.

824
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,120
But you can only channel it if
he allows you to, and there are

825
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,480
very few.
They are allowed to channel the

826
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,240
true power.
OK, so that tells you how high

827
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:59,160
up on the totem pole she really
is.

828
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,840
But you know, that's the thing I
was thinking about that too,

829
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,440
when Moraine and Rand are
running and of course Rand is

830
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,360
trying to get answers because
he's still thinking like, you

831
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,120
killed her, you killed her.
And Moraine is like, dude, I

832
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,320
keep telling you that's going,
that's going to barely leave a

833
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,480
scratch.
She was going to piss her off.

834
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,480
Yeah, so when she was using the
whip that was one power when she

835
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,640
popped the people head person
said that was using the one

836
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,080
power.
So she.

837
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,400
So she has access to both.
OK, OK.

838
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:36,120
But yeah, so when and I noticed
that when when Rand and Moraine

839
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,800
were having the conversation and
Moraine was kind of giving him

840
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,720
the rundown, I was thinking
about how we've been hard on

841
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:44,720
Rand.
We like Rand.

842
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,200
You just all out in the open.
You're not really hiding

843
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,720
yourself while you using your
same name.

844
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,040
Aren't people looking for you?
And then when they had that

845
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,240
conversation, it put every it
kind of reminded me of

846
00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:02,320
everything. 1 Rand did not know
until that moment that Moraine

847
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,680
told him that what he fought in
the last season was not the last

848
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,000
battle.
He thought that he fought the

849
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,400
Dark One, and that was the last
battle he.

850
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,520
Thought it was over.
He thought it was over, which is

851
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,160
why he wasn't hiding like we
thought he should be hiding.

852
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,280
And then she was like, yeah, you
didn't fight.

853
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,800
That was not the last battle.
That was not the Dark 1.

854
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,320
You set one of his top
lieutenants free.

855
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,960
And Rand is sitting here looking
at her like, the fuck did you

856
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,640
just say?
She was like, yeah.

857
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:40,400
And land Fear is his top person.
Ran you in danger, boy?

858
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,680
I'm.
Ran Danger.

859
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,000
Boy, and I had to sit there and
think about I was like, OK, so

860
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,520
we really have to kind of give
Lance, I mean, ran some space

861
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,640
because he didn't know.
He thought, OK, I I did what I

862
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,520
was supposed to do at the end of
the world.

863
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,480
That's why he told Moraine to
tell everyone he was dead

864
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,640
because he was like, OK, I did
what I was supposed to do as the

865
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,360
dragon.
Now I just got to, you know,

866
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,080
deal with this thing that's
gonna eventually make me crazy

867
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,480
and make me want to kill my
friends.

868
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,160
So I'm gonna go as far away from
them as possible.

869
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,600
And so he really thought that he
was safe being away from them.

870
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,360
And then now he finds out that
not only did he not fight the

871
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,360
last battle, not only did he not
beat Dark One, that wasn't even

872
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,800
the Dark One that he was having
a conversation with.

873
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:34,320
That was his lack.
So you still ain't met the head

874
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,360
dude.
And then you're having to wrap

875
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,560
your brain around all of this
while fleeing for your life from

876
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,080
the person that you literally
just professed your love to,

877
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,560
finding out that not only is she
not who you thought she was, but

878
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:57,520
she is the first left tenant of
the left tenant of the dark one.

879
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,640
Like she is high up on the totem
pole and now she's coming to

880
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,480
find you.
And Mirain is like, if we don't

881
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,200
hurry up.
We did.

882
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,320
We really did.
That's all.

883
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,680
Again, going back to the last
episode when I was telling Mike

884
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:17,720
to give Ransom slack, this boy
got a lot to deal with and he

885
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,880
don't even he doesn't even have
all the facts.

886
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:30,360
So I was just, I was sitting
here like he just, I don't know,

887
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,240
he's having to wrap his mind
around that.

888
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:36,380
And then not only that, you just
saw Moraine kill, quote, UN

889
00:53:36,380 --> 00:53:40,200
quote kill somebody, which,
yeah, they had a lot of things

890
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,360
to say about Moraine in the
first season, but he's never

891
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,200
seen her be ruthless like that.
She literally stuck a sword

892
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,400
through Landfill's chest and
then slit her throat and then

893
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,200
was like, pick up your sword,
let's go.

894
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,480
They get to the stable, they
find horses.

895
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,200
They said she basically tells
the stable keeper.

896
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,720
Stable keeper was like, I'm not
going to say anything.

897
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,560
Oh no, you're coming with us.
And then she goes to kill the

898
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,440
fourth horse.
And Rand is like, why you gotta

899
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,920
do that?
Because there's an extra horse.

900
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,840
We can't give her a way to
follow us.

901
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,560
And she kills the horse and Rand
is sitting there looking at her

902
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,480
like, who the fuck is this?
And what did you do with

903
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,720
Moraine?
He's not used to this.

904
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,560
He's still trying to wrap his
mind around this and he's having

905
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,520
to flee for his life.
So he doesn't.

906
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,720
Again, we talk about this all
the time.

907
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,640
They deal with trauma, trauma,
trauma, chaos, chaos, chaos.

908
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,320
And they don't have time to sit
and think about it and process

909
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,280
it and, and get to a point where
they're like, OK, this has

910
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,280
happened.
This is how I got to deal with

911
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,440
it.
Now we can move on.

912
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,840
He doesn't have time to do that
because he's again fleeing for

913
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,080
his life.
He doesn't realize that she sent

914
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,800
that woman off with those horses
knowing that she's going to die,

915
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,520
right?
He didn't know that.

916
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,440
Right.
Well, here's the thing.

917
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,360
She didn't die well, but she.
How's she saying that?

918
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,680
How's she going?
To eat.

919
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:03,920
That's what I was just about to
say.

920
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,840
She she going to die eventually
because she can't eat.

921
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,320
She literally melted her mouth
shut like Neo from the Matrix.

922
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,200
She just like like Scarlet Witch
did Black Bolt and.

923
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,400
That too, yes.
I I was just like, 'cause when I

924
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,920
saw the lady.
Because what happens is Moraine

925
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,720
and Rand get off the horses and
they hide.

926
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:28,280
Lanfir rides past them.
And Moraine was like, yeah, it's

927
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,600
gonna be about a day or so
before she realizes that we've

928
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,160
tricked her and she's gonna come
back.

929
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:39,960
And when I saw the lady with the
horses, I was like, wow, she

930
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,320
really did that.
And the lady was like, yeah,

931
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,680
can't believe she used you as
bait.

932
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,920
Like, OK, I'll give Moraine a
little more credit.

933
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,040
Even when she was talking to
Ishmael late later on, Ishmael

934
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,880
was like, so how how did Rand
take it when you told him about

935
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,760
what you are?
She was like, I didn't tell him.

936
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,600
Moraine did.
And she was just giving him that

937
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,040
look.
And he was like, oh, she's like,

938
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,800
you had to leave her alive.
Like, what was it she said when

939
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,680
she when she woke up from being
dead?

940
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,880
She was like bitch like I can't
believe she did that.

941
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,920
Moraine got a little bit more
backbone than y'all think she

942
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,400
does.
And that shows you also about

943
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,040
Moraine's character Moraine when
she says she is willing to do

944
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,880
what she needs to do to keep
Rand alive.

945
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,920
She was not joking with y'all.
She was like oh I got to stab a

946
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,680
bitch in the heart and slit her
throat.

947
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,800
Done I.
Got to kill a horse.

948
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,120
Done right, got to.
Leave a woman to die for no

949
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,680
reason.
Right.

950
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:46,520
'Cause land fear didn't have to
kill the man on the horse.

951
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,840
She could have just bound him
and put him down.

952
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,640
She didn't have to kill.
She didn't have to close the

953
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,960
mouth woman's mouth.
The woman didn't even say

954
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,760
anything out of the pocket.
She didn't.

955
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,920
She didn't even know what she.
Was doing, she said.

956
00:56:59,440 --> 00:56:59,920
Oh, I.
Won't.

957
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,440
I'm not.
I won't say anything.

958
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,400
I.
Won't yeah, that that I think

959
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,560
was what?
Because you didn't.

960
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,240
You could have just.
Sound like her.

961
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:08,360
That's that's my conscience
here.

962
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,520
I probably done same thing like
oh let me let me make sure.

963
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,080
Yeah, because most of the times
when people say they won't say

964
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,880
anything, they end up saying
something.

965
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,200
So lately.
Who was she going to say to

966
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,520
about anything?
What was she going to say This

967
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,600
This woman came chasing after
these two people on the horse.

968
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,320
She could have, yeah.
Yeah.

969
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,280
But what significance would have
none.

970
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,480
I mean, enough to where she was,
she probably would have been

971
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,720
like, no.
But I mean.

972
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,480
I think part of it was to just
show that landfill doesn't

973
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,000
really care about anybody,
right?

974
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,600
No regard.
For life, right?

975
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:50,320
And that is corroborated with
Moraine statement later on when

976
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,200
they get into Tarvilan, she
tells Rand because he's talking

977
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,280
about how he's tired.
He was like, we need to sleep.

978
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,960
She was like, Oh no, we
absolutely do not need to sleep.

979
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,080
And she said landfill was known
for two things.

980
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,360
This is what made her so
dangerous as a forsaken one.

981
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,640
What does she say?
She said something about just

982
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,080
unnecessary cruelty, like she
can be just callously cruel for

983
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,480
no reason.
And two, she can come to you in

984
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,560
your dreams and she can kill you
in your dreams just as sure as

985
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,960
she can kill you in real life.
And Rand is again turn and

986
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,200
looking at her like what the
fuck did I just did it?

987
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,560
Myself, yes, she she was the
master of till around Riyadh,

988
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,040
which is the dream world.
Yeah, I mean, we and we see that

989
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,800
later on, 'cause she even gets
into Ishmael's dream.

990
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:43,240
Yeah, he did say, hey, I've had
time to learn, so he's been

991
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,680
working on it.
Right.

992
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:46,120
Uh huh.
Yeah, ish.

993
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,240
Apparently Ishmael's dreams
about Rand with the short red

994
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,040
hair like I.
Was like, but you know what?

995
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,000
I was like, I was like, is he
doing that because it's Rand or

996
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,200
is he doing that because he
knows it's her?

997
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,120
Like she's dangling.
She's dangling a prize in front

998
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,640
of him.
He's just like, yeah, whatever.

999
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:05,360
I know.
There.

1000
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,040
There's a reason that he's like
that with Duran.

1001
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,800
The boy is mine.
The doggone boy is mine.

1002
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,200
That's not it.
Not not that.

1003
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:27,800
Reason Yeah, but OK, since since
we got to Moraine and and Rand,

1004
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,000
let's let's continue with that
little thread because she does

1005
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,080
go back to her sister's house
disheveled, full of blood on her

1006
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,200
stuff and she has the extra
person, but we get to meet her

1007
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,840
nephew in this one too.
So it's like the future king,

1008
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,760
the future king or king console,
queen consort, whatever you want

1009
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:53,800
to call it.
But again, I, I find it

1010
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:59,280
interesting because Moraine, we
just saw her do all this stuff.

1011
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,880
We just saw her be cruel.
We just saw her be kind of

1012
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:07,280
calculating cold.
And then she gets home and, and

1013
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,640
her sister comes to see her and
starts talking to her.

1014
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,560
And you kind of saw, see her let
her walls down for a bit, which

1015
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,000
is very, very rare for Lorraine.
We don't really see that a lot.

1016
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,560
And she gets some advice from
her sister, which is advice that

1017
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:28,360
she gave her sister years ago.
And it was basically like,

1018
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,760
anytime something hard comes up,
anytime you're uncertain of

1019
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:37,200
anything, my older sister told
me this be true or what is it?

1020
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,560
Is it true?
Is it true?

1021
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:45,760
And something about that makes
Moran go, OK, because what?

1022
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,520
What?
What is it that Anna Vera asked

1023
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:53,080
her.
She said, is it true that Rand

1024
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,440
needs protection that only you
can provide?

1025
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:02,800
And it's kind of like, oh, wait,
maybe I'm not the only person

1026
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,360
who can save him.
And I was like, oh, look at

1027
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,640
Moraine listening to somebody.
What a novel thing.

1028
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,440
Because Moraine don't listen to
nobody.

1029
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,080
Nobody.
No.

1030
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,440
She takes in new information and
she processes it very quickly.

1031
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,160
But.
Unless you have new information,

1032
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:28,040
she doesn't need to process it.
She underestimated her sister

1033
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,960
once, she's not going to do it
again.

1034
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,840
Yeah, 'cause she.
Made that mistake once and.

1035
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,440
Yeah.
Yeah, she's hanging.

1036
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,400
So if her sister says something
this time, she's going to this.

1037
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,600
Yeah, because that sister might
know a little something that

1038
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,080
that she doesn't know.
I mean, we got that.

1039
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:55,600
I am concerned about her son,
her nephew, because he's like,

1040
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,280
Ran, aren't you tired?
Shouldn't you get some sleep?

1041
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,080
So.
Now, now I'm concerned, right?

1042
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:13,720
Yeah, because.
And, you know, I think the first

1043
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,720
time I watched it, I didn't pay
attention to that because you

1044
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,440
literally just met Rand and you
saw how bedraggled they looked

1045
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:28,240
when they came in.
And I mean, when we see people

1046
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,280
who look tired, we'll say
something to that effect.

1047
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,000
Are you OK?
Are you tired?

1048
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,880
Are you getting enough rest?
That sort of thing.

1049
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:43,800
But yes, seems weird.
And two on the nose, OK.

1050
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:50,000
Too much so.
So I, I don't know.

1051
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,040
And then you know his whole
thing about Moraine.

1052
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,320
And granted, I know it's been 20
years since you seen your auntie

1053
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,600
and you kind of want her to
stick around, but to pull the

1054
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:05,520
hole, I'm about to be the king.
And I'm basically telling you

1055
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:12,640
that as my what is it that I, I,
I'm ordering you to stay.

1056
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,040
I'm ordering you to come to my
wedding.

1057
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,360
I'm ordering you to be here.
The wedding is not for a few

1058
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:19,680
weeks.
You really think Miranda is

1059
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,600
about to sit in one place, even
if you don't know what's going

1060
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,560
on with her?
Like this is a woman you ain't

1061
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,160
seen in 20 years.
You think she she coming for a

1062
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:33,720
leisurely visit to to watch a
royal wedding and all this other

1063
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,960
stuff?
No, that, that don't seem like

1064
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,640
the right thing to do.
So I I don't know.

1065
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:52,680
He he seems him seems a little
suspect, but I and I, I don't

1066
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,280
know is it, is it that everybody
that we're looking at in in this

1067
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,880
particular show now, are we
double guessing everyone?

1068
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,840
We have to because every
everybody's heisty.

1069
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,800
You can't trust no these mother
fuckers around here.

1070
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,880
Well, I don't trust him because
in the book, the person he's

1071
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:17,400
supposed to marry is actually a
king, which he's not going in

1072
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,200
the book, he's not set.
There's no arranged marriage in

1073
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,960
the book.
So it makes me think that this

1074
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,320
this is this is going to be
something this for the TV show,

1075
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:37,560
which I think they're trying to
give him a motivation to do

1076
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:44,640
things that I'm I'm just going
to say that is again, something

1077
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:49,200
they've done in the show that
Robert Jordan didn't necessarily

1078
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:55,120
do in the book, which was make
characters more more, have more

1079
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,400
depth.
Yeah.

1080
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,760
And not be one note.
So in order to give his

1081
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:05,160
character some more depth and
maybe some more motivation, you

1082
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:09,920
make it where he has something
to lose, which is his arranged

1083
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,240
marriage to make him king.
Because in the book, there's no

1084
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:18,760
arranged marriage, Gaudrian or
Galladrian.

1085
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,280
It's supposed to is is a king
and is the king of Cayman.

1086
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,800
So he's not marrying a dude.
Is this this is not how this

1087
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,640
book?
OK.

1088
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,200
So I think like Cayman, isn't
that where Elaine is from?

1089
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,160
Or Karen, Karen, Karen.
Karen.

1090
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,680
Which I don't know why Robert
Jordan did it.

1091
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,720
The city of Carian in the
country is Carian, which is

1092
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,760
this.
I don't understand why you did

1093
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,160
it.
Carian and Camlin.

1094
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,240
I think where Elaine is from is
Camlin.

1095
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:54,240
Camlin, yes, but Carian is a
city in the country of Carian.

1096
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,720
It's.
Like New York, NY.

1097
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,920
Right.
And Camlin is in Andor.

1098
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,880
OK.
That's a big confused with can't

1099
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,720
see in the van door.
I I know on door in the Middle

1100
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,040
Earth.
Yeah, 'cause I think, 'cause I

1101
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,760
think when I first, when Elaine
was first introduced and she

1102
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,200
said something about Andor, I
was like, huh.

1103
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,760
And I was like, did I hear that
wrong?

1104
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,160
Because I was thinking Star Wars
and I was like, wait, that's not

1105
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,200
right.
But yes, too, too many of these

1106
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:34,320
fantasy places got they got too
many names that that sound

1107
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:39,480
familiar, but OK.
But yeah, I.

1108
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,720
Just I just hope Marine's sister
is near dark front.

1109
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,400
That would just be that would be
too much.

1110
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,240
I could take it if he was, but
not not if she was.

1111
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:58,080
I, I don't, I don't think her
sister is.

1112
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:07,880
I just, I, I don't because
because it would be too easy

1113
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:12,320
like especially with Moraine
being there, Ran being there.

1114
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:17,000
I think if if her sister was a
dark friend, they wouldn't have

1115
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,120
to go through all of this.
Like the conversation that

1116
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:28,400
Ishmael and and Lanfi are having
about the other Forsaken and

1117
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:33,080
about how they're going to play
this and, and how the, you know,

1118
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,480
how the other people are kind of
playing into all of this.

1119
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:40,720
They wouldn't need to have all
of this conversation if on there

1120
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,320
was a dark friend because all
she'd have to do is some of

1121
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:45,400
them.
And I mean, she's got them both

1122
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:50,680
right there.
And granted, Moraine is probably

1123
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:56,120
of no use to them, but yeah,
Randy's right there.

1124
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:01,320
If if she were a dart friend,
she would know that Rand is at

1125
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,360
least on the radar, even though,
you know, he's supposedly is

1126
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,840
dead.
I think Ishmael would have been

1127
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,480
like, hey, by the way, I need
you to be on the lookout.

1128
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,080
And she could have, she could
have given Rand up long ago if

1129
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,000
she was a dart friend, because
she's the one who told Moran

1130
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,319
where Rand was.
I mean, unless.

1131
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,359
There's a plan you remember.
You remember.

1132
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:28,160
I mean, didn't.
Didn't.

1133
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,399
He he has a plan.
Like sorry, I'm sorry.

1134
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,960
No, somebody Shamiel.
Shamiel has a plan.

1135
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,319
His plan is not to to capture
and kill Ran.

1136
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,479
He he has a plan.
Yeah.

1137
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,399
He, he had plenty of opportunity
to do that.

1138
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:49,880
He's had plenty of opportunity
to capture him, plenty of

1139
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,080
opportunity to throw the whole
thing.

1140
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,040
You know he could have killed a
parent, right?

1141
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,920
He could have had Matt killed.
But now, 'cause he said

1142
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:03,520
something in this conversation,
like he's waiting for parents to

1143
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:08,080
turn into what he's supposed to
be, whatever him being a wolf

1144
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,080
brother is supposed to be, he
said something about that in

1145
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,279
that conversation with Matt
Field.

1146
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:13,880
He does, he's he, he said he'll
be.

1147
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,040
It's not, it's not important
'cause he'll be more wolf than

1148
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,560
man anyway.
Yeah.

1149
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,279
But but the point is.
Not a werewolf, Mike.

1150
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:26,720
A lot of his plans are about
time and patience, letting

1151
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,880
things play out.
So even if they were dark

1152
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,439
friends, they would still let
them be about their way because

1153
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:37,560
he would have told them I have
plans, you know, and he's ain't

1154
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,680
going to tell anyone plan.
He's like, no, this is what

1155
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,760
you're going to do.
You're going to give them

1156
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,920
everything they want, everything
they need to get where they need

1157
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,359
to go because I need them to be
there.

1158
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,080
Like he said, the the final
battle will be determined based

1159
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,800
on what happens in.
Fall, Fall.

1160
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,640
So he needs everyone to be in
fall.

1161
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,840
Well, didn't, but didn't didn't
Moraine's sister?

1162
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,320
Like was she introduced to Rand
or did Rand just walk up to her?

1163
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,920
No, remember, she was the one
who she was the one who walked

1164
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,160
up to Rand at the at the party,
at the hooting, you know, hoity

1165
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:19,400
toity party and was the one who
warned him about such such.

1166
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:23,560
That's why when when Moraine was
making her introduction, she was

1167
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,520
like, we've already met.
Yeah, no.

1168
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:27,680
No, I know.
No, I know.

1169
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:31,440
But that's what I'm saying when
I'm saying what I'm saying is I

1170
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:35,520
mean it like you, like you said,
if if someone told her to keep

1171
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:39,640
an eye out for a tall, tall
redheaded guy who looks like he

1172
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,560
feels, looks way out of place
around here, there he is.

1173
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,400
Oh, let me let me see if this is
who they're talking about.

1174
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,160
Stop conversation with him,
maybe flirt with him a little

1175
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:55,000
bit, then here comes, then
here's here comes Celine slash

1176
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,120
Fred, Freda Krueger over there.
And she kind of interrupted and

1177
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,200
pulls him away.
Freda Krueger.

1178
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,840
I mean, she, I think, OK, I'm
sorry, it's been a minute.

1179
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,720
Everything.
I'll put it out there that

1180
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:16,360
Lorraine's sister may have been
coerced by Ishmael or someone or

1181
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:21,240
a dark friend or someone like
that because of the painful,

1182
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,280
because of the things that have
gone on with her, with Moraine,

1183
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,280
like Moraine leaving and her
being without him and everything

1184
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,320
going to shit and all that other
stuff.

1185
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:34,600
Maybe she made a deal and that's
how that's how her.

1186
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,000
That's how the family snapped
back so quick.

1187
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:41,040
And they're saying that Mary the
Queen, right?

1188
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,200
I mean, that's, that's, that's
a, that's a big, that's a big

1189
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,560
turn around for them.
I mean, maybe she turned to save

1190
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,880
the family and this is the this
is what she has to do as

1191
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,480
penance.
So if I buy that though, I just.

1192
01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:04,360
It makes sense to me, Mike.
She seems to me like she has, I

1193
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:12,000
don't know, some something about
her seems like she she wouldn't

1194
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:17,240
accept help from anybody else to
do what she had to do to bring

1195
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,880
her family back to where their
status should be.

1196
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,200
Desperate terms call for
desperate measures.

1197
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,720
I I just, I don't know if I see
it with her.

1198
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:31,400
I, I understand what you're
saying how to go, but one of the

1199
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:35,520
issues with Robert Jordan's
writing, he's never been labeled

1200
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:41,600
as misogynistic, but a lot of
his characters are problematic

1201
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,840
in some ways, especially his
characterization of women.

1202
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:50,680
So it, it, it's, it's there, but
I, I understand why you would be

1203
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,040
hesitant and reluctant, because
it would be great to know that

1204
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,440
she got to where she was just
based on how she was and who she

1205
01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:59,880
was and not wanting to be a
certain way.

1206
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,240
But we also have to kind of
remember that the source

1207
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:09,400
material, Robert Jordan, wasn't
he, he wrote some strong women,

1208
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,240
but they, a lot of them still
were problematic.

1209
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,600
The fact that as strong as I
need was, she could only the

1210
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,440
channel when she was angry.
You know, even in the show, she

1211
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,760
can only the channel because of
her feelings for a man.

1212
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,600
So, yeah, I I understand where
you're coming from.

1213
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,360
And we would hope that she
didn't make a deal to get where

1214
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,400
she was, but we also can't can't
kind of dismiss it either.

1215
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,320
Does does that make sense?
Yeah.

1216
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,520
I mean, I don't want it to be
true because.

1217
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:45,000
You don't want it to be true,
but it kind of tracks with

1218
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,200
what's going on.
Yeah, I mean, I, I don't, I

1219
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,400
mean, in a party full of people,
she just, she just meanders

1220
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,560
right over to him.
It could be because he's a new

1221
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,280
face, but it could be because
she was told to look for a new

1222
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,720
face and see if that's who it
was.

1223
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,360
So, I mean, and everybody's in
on it.

1224
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,880
I mean, maybe her son's life
was, maybe he died and she made

1225
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:10,520
a deal to save him and he knows
about it and he's trying not to

1226
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,040
die.
I mean, there, there, there's a

1227
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,280
whole lot there.
There's a, there's a litany of

1228
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,560
reasons that she, she could have
made a deal.

1229
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,840
I'm just saying that everything
falling in line the way it is is

1230
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,000
just way too convenient.
And there's a sub take sub takes

1231
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:32,160
in this show about swearing oath
and exchanging and like, looking

1232
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,880
at the reason why anyone would
swear allegiance to the dark,

1233
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,800
you know?
And like Leandro was trying to

1234
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,720
say, everyone kind of has a
price.

1235
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,120
Yeah.
But, but even even with that,

1236
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,960
and, and I know we see that a
lot in, in all kinds of stores,

1237
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,680
you always have those people
who, like you said, have a

1238
01:14:54,680 --> 01:15:02,000
price, but there's always one or
two for who, because of who they

1239
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,480
are, because of their character,
they can't be bought.

1240
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,760
And I don't know, there's
something about Moraine's

1241
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,520
sister.
Maybe it's about the fact that

1242
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,200
she used to idolize Moraine so
much.

1243
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:21,240
Maybe it's just the fact that
she made such a point of letting

1244
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,360
Moraine know what she had to do
in order to bring their family

1245
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,080
back up to status.
Something tells me she would be

1246
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:34,680
too proud to all of a sudden
capitulate to somebody else and

1247
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,960
be like, OK, yeah, I'm gonna do
whatever you say just because I

1248
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,160
want this, I want that.
I I think she's too proud of

1249
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,800
that.
So or too proud for that.

1250
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,480
So I don't know.
I guess we'll see in the next

1251
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:50,560
few episodes whether or not that
that is the case.

1252
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:59,920
But in the meanwhile, like you
said, the son, he might seem a

1253
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,440
little questionable.
But again, we just met him, so

1254
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:05,720
we don't know what he's like.
He there's just the fact that

1255
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,480
him saying that whole oh, Rand,
don't you want to go to sleep

1256
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:12,480
thing right after Moraine said,
yeah, you can't go to sleep.

1257
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:16,240
That does seem a little sketchy.
But that could also be the

1258
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,880
writers kind of throwing us off
the track.

1259
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,200
You know, they could be making
us think it's him and it could

1260
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,000
be on on there.
I don't think it is, but we'll

1261
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,160
see.
But in any way, Lorraine tells

1262
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:32,960
Rand that they are gonna stay.
And then she brings him to her

1263
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,720
room and she's like, yeah, you
need to sleep.

1264
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,320
And he's like, excuse me, you
told me I can't go to sleep.

1265
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,520
She said you can't go to sleep
by yourself, but you can go to

1266
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,680
sleep and I can watch over you
because we need Landfair to get

1267
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,240
in touch with you.
And he was like, Hola, Hola Rand

1268
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,280
is like, wait, God damage.
You've been playing everybody

1269
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,160
else for bait.
Now you want me to be bait?

1270
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,080
You want me to go to sleep so
she can come come to me in my

1271
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,240
dreams.
Why would you do that?

1272
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,240
He was like, and he basically
told me he was like, look, you

1273
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,400
want me to pretend I'm in love
with a forsaken.

1274
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:14,320
He was like, I, I got to tell
you, regardless of what she is,

1275
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,640
some of that might not have been
fake.

1276
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,840
Like there really could have
been something went between us

1277
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,120
and she was like, whatever you
want to do, whatever you're

1278
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:26,000
comfortable with, if you go to
sleep and she comes to you, at

1279
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,040
least you can figure out what
she wants.

1280
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,440
And if it looks like she's
hurting you, I can wake you up.

1281
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,120
But I don't think she's going to
because there might be that

1282
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,400
connection.
And Rand is just sitting there

1283
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,520
like first you tell me no, now
you tell me yes, you tell me,

1284
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,120
don't do this, You tell me, you
tell me to run from her, now you

1285
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,560
tell me to go to her.
Like, what do you want me to do?

1286
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,000
But of course he goes to sleep
and here comes Landfair having

1287
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,360
him tied up and bound.
Almost immediately, as soon as

1288
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,200
he closed his eyes.
Literally.

1289
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,280
But you know, she was waiting
for him.

1290
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,400
She was in the dream world
waiting for him.

1291
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:02,480
So she.
Susie.

1292
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,120
Susie closed his eyes.
He ended up in a damn Janet

1293
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,520
Jackson concert.
All of a sudden, Rope Burns

1294
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,720
started playing.
Right, right, no shirt in the

1295
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:16,240
desert, sweaty and she fully,
she fully dressed and she's like

1296
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,800
finally I'm like, oh God, all
of.

1297
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,680
A sudden me on the velvet rope
tour.

1298
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,800
Right.
Tie me up, tie me down.

1299
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,840
Right.
The only thing we need is for

1300
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,840
her to climb, climb on top of
him and do the little gyrating

1301
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,080
thing like she does.
But yeah.

1302
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:37,240
Dicarlos, by the way.
But yeah, I was just like, OK,

1303
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,920
so like, I don't know how
Randy's going to play this in

1304
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,360
this dream because he was like,
I got to go in here and pretend

1305
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,600
like, you know, I'm still in
love with her and try to.

1306
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:51,120
He's going to have to kind of
bullshit his way around that.

1307
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,480
Be like, OK, so you need to
explain to me, because Lorraine

1308
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:57,080
told me this, that and the other
about you.

1309
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,400
I don't want to believe it's
true.

1310
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,400
You got to tell me the truth.
And then what is she going to

1311
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,800
do?
I I kind of have a feeling she's

1312
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,040
probably going to be like, OK,
yeah.

1313
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:09,520
So yeah, I am a forsaken.
This is what I'm here for.

1314
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,920
And I want you to come to the
dark side with me.

1315
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,360
You know, she's going to pull a
Vader on him and he's going to

1316
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:21,360
be like, what?
But I, I'm just saying, come to

1317
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,160
the dark side.
Come to the dark side, get this

1318
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,040
cake.
Well, at least you didn't say

1319
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:30,760
cookies.
But yeah, I mean, because other

1320
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:35,560
than that, like the fact that
she is still alive after Moraine

1321
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,720
killed it, that's already going
to throw up the red flag for

1322
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,240
Ran.
He's going to be like, OK, so I

1323
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:43,040
literally saw you get stuck, you
know, get stabbed in a chest and

1324
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,120
you had your throat slashed.
How are you here right now?

1325
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,920
So it's not like she can exactly
like lie to him and be like, oh,

1326
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,120
she missed me by answer.
She just stabbed me in my

1327
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,960
shoulder.
Oh, OK.

1328
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,400
Your throat.
No.

1329
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,640
What?
What?

1330
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:00,480
Right.
What are what are we doing?

1331
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:01,800
What?
What is this here?

1332
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:03,720
So she's got to tell him the
truth.

1333
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,040
Now, whether she tells him the
truth and then be like, well,

1334
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,400
I'm actually just trying to
protect you.

1335
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,480
Or if she's going to be like, I
want you to come to the dark

1336
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,720
side.
This is this is what I need from

1337
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,520
you or this is what you need to
do or blah, blah, blah.

1338
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:22,600
That remains to be seen.
But I'm just like, give a man

1339
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,280
some time to get over his shit
before you just throw him back

1340
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:26,840
to the wolves.
Give him some.

1341
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,080
Hey, how smart do you think she
is?

1342
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:35,480
Who, Lorraine?
Lorraine No, yeah.

1343
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,680
Or Landfair.
Landfair, Landfair.

1344
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,720
She's she's been in existence
for thousands of years.

1345
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,800
She's probably extremely smart
because I don't think the Dark

1346
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,680
One would keep somebody dumb in
the upper echelons of.

1347
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:55,120
Him she could be powerful and
not not as not have a lot of

1348
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:59,400
like common sense like what I'm
wondering is would she know that

1349
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,960
Moraine is right there to wake
him up?

1350
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,360
Probably.
So she probably would.

1351
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,040
Sure she does, because she.
OK especially if if they know

1352
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,960
anything about Moraine.
Like Moraine literally Moraine

1353
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:20,480
has no powers right now so she
literally risked her life coming

1354
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:24,400
to get Ran.
So at this point, they probably

1355
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,400
know that she is going to do
whatever she needs to do to

1356
01:21:28,440 --> 01:21:31,520
protect Ran.
So.

1357
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,080
And I think Ishmael probably
knows that too, which is

1358
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,840
probably one of the reasons why
he took her power from her.

1359
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:43,040
So yeah, she knows that Moraine
is not going to let Rand just

1360
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:49,760
wander into that dreamscape
unattended or unbeknownst to

1361
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,520
her.
Yeah, I, I don't, I think she

1362
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:56,920
very much knows.
Now, does does she suspect that

1363
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,080
Rand would go back and tell
Marae?

1364
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:04,000
I don't know that.
I think that would depend on the

1365
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,000
strength of what she thinks he
feels for her, or what she

1366
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,520
thinks or may actually feel for
him.

1367
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,400
Yeah, but in this episode we
don't.

1368
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:16,480
We don't know what she's going
to say to him because all she

1369
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:18,240
says to him is finally.
Finally.

1370
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,240
Yeah, and then cut.
Right.

1371
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,480
I mean, she could be saying
finally, because she's like, OK,

1372
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:28,120
I got you up here half naked.
This is a final booty call

1373
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:30,360
before I kill you.
I mean, she could be doing that.

1374
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,840
We don't know.
I doubt it.

1375
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:39,000
But again, yeah, I I think she's
smart enough to know that Rand

1376
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,920
is probably coming in there with
with the full knowledge of what

1377
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:46,240
he's going to encounter when he
has a confrontation with her.

1378
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,840
Like Rand is not at this point,
he's not going to be naive about

1379
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:52,160
it.
He's not going to be like, well,

1380
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,120
Lorraine told me this about you
tell me it's not true.

1381
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,560
I don't think, I don't think
Rand is going to do that.

1382
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:59,880
He's going to be like, you need
to tell me the fucking truth.

1383
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:05,080
Right now it'll be it'll be
interesting to know why she

1384
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:10,400
strung him up and didn't
necessarily shield him, but I

1385
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,040
guess we'll find out next
episode.

1386
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,560
I was maybe she thinks that he
can channel in the dream world

1387
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,440
and she's like, yeah, let's not
have that happen.

1388
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,160
Yeah, but she, she probably
didn't shield him, though.

1389
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,520
I we'll we'll see.
I, I, I just thought about that

1390
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,280
just now.
Like, why does she tie him up on

1391
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,120
the wheel?
But I know there's some

1392
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,160
symbolism there that she strung
him up on the wheel with seven

1393
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,680
spokes representing the seven
ages, which is crazy.

1394
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,000
See, you're look, you're looking
at all of that.

1395
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,720
I'm looking at this woman was
literally sitting on top of him

1396
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,440
when she got killed.
And she's probably like, you owe

1397
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:51,240
me like if.
He if he does kind of break the

1398
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:55,840
wheel to escape, that's
literally what what they want

1399
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,640
him to do.
Yeah, yeah.

1400
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,640
So OK.
So I'll give production

1401
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,120
designers a little bit of credit
on that.

1402
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:10,200
Yeah, throwing, throwing some
stuff that that we may or may

1403
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,960
not see, 'cause I didn't even
think about that.

1404
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,960
But again, it's been a minute
since I've seen this episode.

1405
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,080
Like half the stuff that
happened in this episode I

1406
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,720
didn't remember happened.
I was like, Oh yeah, it did

1407
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,360
happen.
Like I've ended in Perrin.

1408
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:26,760
Yeah, let's.
Go there 'cause I was just.

1409
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,640
Yeah, and the white cloaks.
We finally, finally get to see

1410
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:34,840
him.
So let me just say.

1411
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,040
Or out of parent and parent is
Elias.

1412
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,600
Yeah, let's start there, because
I don't really want to talk

1413
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:48,480
about child Valda right now.
So yeah, let's start with with.

1414
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:53,240
Parents like, wait a second, you
took us back to, to which we'll

1415
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,600
call it.
The the town.

1416
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:55,440
I can't remember.
Yeah.

1417
01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:00,640
What was it?
Whatever the place where we got

1418
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,240
attacked and captured, you
brought us back here.

1419
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,320
We're.
Basically in a big circle.

1420
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,080
Right, like you're supposed to
be taking me to save my friends.

1421
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:14,080
And Elias keeps trying to tell
Parent though those guys,

1422
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,040
they're not your pack.
And he said, especially your, he

1423
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,560
said, especially your wife.
He said the people from the two

1424
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,600
rivers are not your pack, your
wife is not your pack.

1425
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,760
I said.
Bro you saying the wrong thing

1426
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:28,320
right now?
OK, OK so when parent has he

1427
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:32,120
thinks about what happened?
I swear that clip of his wife

1428
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,760
look like she was about to.
She was about to ask him in the

1429
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:40,320
back when he turned around.
So y'all going to make me have

1430
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,000
to?
They're going to have to.

1431
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,400
They're going to make me go back
and rewatch.

1432
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,400
That reframe.
It and and that kind of take it

1433
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,640
frame by frame so you can see
which way it goes.

1434
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:53,080
I don't want to do that but I
swear it looks.

1435
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,400
Like I mean because because
parent parent was basically

1436
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,520
reacting out of instinct.
Like if someone was attacking

1437
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:03,280
me, he would just turn around.
Imagine if she was a dark friend

1438
01:26:03,480 --> 01:26:08,040
there to watch them.
Oh, that's no, I don't want to

1439
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:09,920
do that.
What better way to get close to

1440
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,480
somebody?
Than y'all can't taint Layla's

1441
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:19,160
image after a whole season and a
half of us feeling with parent

1442
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:24,640
the loss of his pregnant wife.
Y'all cannot do that, no.

1443
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,960
I don't know because she don't
exist in the book so.

1444
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,800
I'll go back and look at it
later, but no, I don't think

1445
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,320
that's what happened.
I'm gonna call they That is not

1446
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,600
what happened.
But anyway, the fact that Elias

1447
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,800
brings her up and I was like,
dude, you you really want to

1448
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,760
piss this dude off like why are
you doing this and parent is

1449
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,520
like, look, I don't care what
you say.

1450
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:54,520
You don't know nothing about me.
You don't know nothing about my

1451
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,720
pack.
I'm going to find my friends.

1452
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:02,760
I'm going to save them.
So he ends up leaving and then

1453
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:08,560
Hopper follows him and Hopper is
showing him images from the

1454
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,120
town.
Like he takes him back to the

1455
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:15,280
edge of the town and and parent
is like, dude, I already said

1456
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,080
I'm not going over there.
And he shows him an image of

1457
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,880
Uno.
Like they literally put Uno's

1458
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,640
body in a cage and left him
hanging in the air.

1459
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,680
And parent is pissed.
He's like, they didn't even give

1460
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,880
him a proper burial.
Because remember, that's

1461
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,520
important for them.
Even for the people who, you

1462
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,240
know, were dark friends that
they fought found a couple of

1463
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:38,320
episodes ago, they still gave
them a proper burial.

1464
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,880
So parents like, OK, I guess I
got to go across the street and

1465
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:44,880
find him and, you know, bury
him.

1466
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,680
And then he comes across this
girl that's also in a cage.

1467
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:53,800
She's being kept held captive.
And there's a guy who comes from

1468
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:57,280
the village and he tells parent
he was like, yo, you don't want

1469
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,440
to let her out of her cage.
Like, that's a, she's a beast.

1470
01:28:00,440 --> 01:28:02,600
She's already killed several
men.

1471
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,880
She's maimed a few others.
Just leave her alone.

1472
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,000
Like, I'm being nice by giving
her water.

1473
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,960
But he also throws the water to
her.

1474
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,840
He's like, yeah, the last person
who got close to her, she broke

1475
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:12,960
his arm.
So no.

1476
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,400
He says she killed.
Did he say she killed several

1477
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:16,760
people?
I.

1478
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:18,400
Think I think he did I.
Don't.

1479
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,360
I don't.
Yeah, I think he did because

1480
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:24,320
that's the reason why she was in
the cage.

1481
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,160
And and that's also the reason
why he was telling Perry.

1482
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:32,280
He was like, look, he was like,
as far as that girl goes, leave

1483
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:34,440
her alone.
Like you can't help her now.

1484
01:28:34,440 --> 01:28:37,840
That was basically saying she
whatever she has done, she will

1485
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,640
be, she will be put to death for
it.

1486
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,040
That was what that implication
was like.

1487
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:44,760
She's made her bed now she's got
a lie in it.

1488
01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:48,960
But The thing is, Perry doesn't
know who this guy is because

1489
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,360
when he comes out, he's he's got
a coat on.

1490
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:55,360
He's very nice to him.
He's like, hey, OK, so are you a

1491
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,840
traveller?
You know, this this town got

1492
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:02,200
captured by some invaders a few
days ago, but we chased them off

1493
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:06,520
or, you know, or they're gone.
He was like, hey, let's, let's

1494
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,680
get you something to eat.
You can get a room for the

1495
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,360
knife, and then you can be on
your way.

1496
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:15,520
So parents like, OK, they go to
the end and then parent realizes

1497
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,560
there are white cloaks walking
around the town.

1498
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,160
And when the guy turns around to
speak to the innkeeper, he sees

1499
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,360
a little bit of the white cloak
up under his coat.

1500
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:26,440
So he walks in with the
innkeeper.

1501
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:28,480
He asked me, he was like, hey,
what happened to the lady that

1502
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:31,360
was here?
And he says she followed the

1503
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,440
caravan that had her daughter,
her granddaughter.

1504
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,560
And parent was like, So what
happened to the shanchen?

1505
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:41,120
He was like, yeah, he was like
the white coats came in a few

1506
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:42,680
days after that and pushed them
out.

1507
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:47,000
So I was like, minute the shock
chain came with all of those

1508
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,520
soldiers came with the boats and
they let the white coats push

1509
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,640
them out.
But I think they were probably

1510
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,600
already on their way out.
And then at the same time, like

1511
01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:01,280
they said at the beginning, the
High Lord, he was like, we can't

1512
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,400
hold it.
And I guess he was right because

1513
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:06,000
the white coats came right on in
and pushed them out.

1514
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,040
So they.
Joke either, so it's like.

1515
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,520
No, but they also, I don't think
had the number that the Sean

1516
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,080
Chen had.
I just, I don't think, but I

1517
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,200
mean they could have.
Right cloaks are really, really,

1518
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:25,080
really good.
Fighters, apparently not from

1519
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:26,400
what I because.
One of them.

1520
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,200
One of them is Swordmaster.
There's there's levels.

1521
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:31,400
Yeah, there's.
Levels to this shit.

1522
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:36,520
There's levels to this, yeah.
You know, the IE, the IE or no

1523
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,480
joke.
Yeah, I was going to say, yeah,

1524
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:41,640
there's levels to this shit and
then there's IE, but OK.

1525
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:46,000
But yeah, but anyway.
The IE war wasn't even all of

1526
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:51,240
the IE, it was just a few clans.
OK they literally lost like 5

1527
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:56,360
people and just cut their way
through whole armies their way.

1528
01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:00,800
I believe it.
I believe it because parent is

1529
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:05,960
inside the end he hears
Childvalda talking to the guy

1530
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,920
that helped him and Childvalda
of course he's been his usual

1531
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:14,120
asshole condescending self
talking to the guy because the

1532
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,440
he basically was like I told you
to kill her, I told you not to

1533
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:21,600
help her and the dude was like
she's gay she's not going to do

1534
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,440
anything as long as we don't get
close to her.

1535
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,680
I mean he literally keeps saying
just don't get me her and you'll

1536
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,080
be fine.
We'll be fine.

1537
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,040
So Perrin goes to sleep.
And then when he wakes up, he's

1538
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:33,840
sneak.
He's getting ready to sneak out

1539
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:38,200
of the village.
And then he goes past her cage

1540
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,200
and he turns back for her.
And he tried.

1541
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:45,320
He lets her out.
And she was like, so when what

1542
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:46,680
did she call him?
A wetlander?

1543
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,560
Wetlander 1 wetlander puts me in
the cage.

1544
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,800
Another one lets me out.
She was like, why are you doing

1545
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,000
that?
And he looks at her and he says,

1546
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,720
because people don't belong in
cages.

1547
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,000
And I guess that was the right
thing for him to say because she

1548
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,800
was like, OK, cool.
They're getting ready to leave.

1549
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:03,680
And here come the white cloak
surrounding them.

1550
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:07,800
And the dude who had helped them
earlier, He tells parents.

1551
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,280
He was like, I told you not to
get near her, not to, not to

1552
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,280
help her.
But now, OK, we don't have to

1553
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:17,360
fight you, too.
But he tells his men, he said,

1554
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:22,360
when I give the signal, attack
all at once, because if, if you

1555
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:25,560
fight her one by one, she will
take you down.

1556
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,560
I was like, OK, it's one thing
hearing this.

1557
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:33,680
Then when Parent gets ready to
step in front of her to protect

1558
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:37,840
her and she laughs, I said, oh,
this is about to get

1559
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,000
interesting, 'cause all she had
to do was that laugh.

1560
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:46,080
Parent just looked at her like
oh it's almost like he got it

1561
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:50,280
immediately you laugh.
Oh, I guess I OK my bad.

1562
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:53,600
Let me step on back and.
I would have gone AWOL from from

1563
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:55,760
the people.
Like I'm like, Nah, I'm in the

1564
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,840
dark, I'm gone.
Well, like like Anthony just

1565
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,760
said, they are good fighters, so
maybe they thought that all

1566
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,400
together they could take her.
But they didn't fight all

1567
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:07,600
together.
They didn't.

1568
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:12,560
They they started when they.
Started I I had the same thought

1569
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,000
the first time I watched this
episode.

1570
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:18,400
When he said that, I said like,
that's gonna make a difference.

1571
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,720
But then they start attacking
her individually and it's like,

1572
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,880
what did he just say?
Like all together means all

1573
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:28,800
together.
It doesn't mean you, then you,

1574
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,040
then you.
It means all y'all.

1575
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,160
And you know, like I like
quoting wise man.

1576
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:38,200
A wise man once said everybody
has a plan until they get

1577
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:39,640
punched.
They get punched in the mouth.

1578
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,200
Exactly.
Basically, yeah.

1579
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:46,120
Yeah, but I remember when when
she stepped out, like I said,

1580
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:50,600
she did that laugh and she says
paranoid Bara, do you like to

1581
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,200
dance?
And she pulled that thing up

1582
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,880
over her mouth.
And I remember Anthony saying

1583
01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:00,400
for an IL man, if they pull
their thing over their mouth,

1584
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:04,400
run.
He was like, ain't no joke.

1585
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:08,280
I was thinking right.
You know what I thought I was

1586
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,320
thinking I was thinking.
This made me think of think of

1587
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:19,840
Kingsman when Leslow was like
manners making man like I was

1588
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,800
like oh y'all got I was like.
She pulled that thing over her

1589
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,200
mouth.
I was like, because even even

1590
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:30,280
when the fighting started, Karen
was just sitting there looking

1591
01:34:30,440 --> 01:34:33,240
like, wow.
And then of course, they started

1592
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:36,040
coming after him.
And then you see him fully

1593
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,480
unleashed.
He picked up a weapon and the

1594
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:44,000
two of them, it was just like it
was, it was beautiful.

1595
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,800
I can't say anything.
It was beautiful.

1596
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,600
Like I said, I'm looking at her
and the moves that she's doing

1597
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:54,040
and I was like, she and Natasha
would get along so well.

1598
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:58,240
So, so I will say I, I, I did
scan and go back.

1599
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:00,720
No, he didn't say anything about
her killing anyone.

1600
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:04,960
Oh, OK.
So if you notice her and and

1601
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,640
parent, they didn't kill anyone,
they just maimed maimed them and

1602
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,240
broke arms, you know, legs and.
Stuff.

1603
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,400
Oh, yeah, because she was about
to kill that other guy and

1604
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:18,880
parent made her stop because
what did what did he say?

1605
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:23,240
He gave you water?
Because when when parents set

1606
01:35:23,240 --> 01:35:29,080
her free, she said something to
him about my my wife is yours.

1607
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:31,200
OK?
So what does that mean?

1608
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:35,120
That basically means like I owe
you a debt, something like that.

1609
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,400
Like that?
Yeah, OK.

1610
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:40,840
Because in in the IU, in the
waist, water is very precious.

1611
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:42,800
Cause it's basically a barren
desert.

1612
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,040
It's a wasteland.
Oh, OK.

1613
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:48,840
OK, so other than other than
Rand and his parents, this is

1614
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:51,400
the first, this is the only only
other item that we've met

1615
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:53,080
Mother.
Yeah.

1616
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:54,880
I thought his father was a type
of IO.

1617
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,160
Who Tam?
No, no.

1618
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,120
None.
Of his his real father.

1619
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:01,560
Oh, OK, But yeah.
But we haven't met his real

1620
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:02,960
father.
Yeah.

1621
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:05,160
OK.
So there were.

1622
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,720
Those are the only IO that we've
met so far.

1623
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,640
And the one that was strung up
in what's right, right, right.

1624
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,040
'Cause that time Maryland was
the one that said, oh, when you

1625
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:20,600
see their veil, they have the If
you see a Veil album and that's

1626
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,680
when you need to worry.
Right, right.

1627
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:29,360
So they they defeat the white
cloaks and then they leave.

1628
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:37,320
And, you know, during this whole
conversation or when when Parent

1629
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,640
was talking to the innkeeper,
when the innkeeper was showing

1630
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:43,080
him his room and he was telling
about the old innkeeper

1631
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,960
following her granddaughter,
Parent was like, do you know

1632
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,880
where they're going?
And I think he told Parent that

1633
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,560
they were going to fall.
The parents, like, fall.

1634
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:57,000
OK.
So when he and Ivienda are kind

1635
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:59,080
of recouping from the fight,
trying to figure out what

1636
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:02,120
they're going to do next, he
basically tells her that's where

1637
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:03,960
we're going to go, 'cause he was
like, you don't have to come

1638
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:05,840
with me.
And she was like, yeah, you

1639
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,080
saved my life.
My water is your water.

1640
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,400
And he's looking at her like,
she was like, no, I don't mean,

1641
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,240
I don't mean sex.
She was like, but I wouldn't be

1642
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:15,880
opposed to it.
I was like, say.

1643
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:18,600
Hey.
That's too funny.

1644
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:22,880
Parents are sitting there like
and she starts laughing at him

1645
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:25,920
because of his reaction.
Cause parent is probably sitting

1646
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,480
there like, I ain't had none
since my wife died.

1647
01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:31,240
I don't know how to do this.
I don't remember how to flirt.

1648
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,760
But so yeah, apparently they're
going to farm because this is

1649
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,920
where parent knows the shine
errands have been taken and he's

1650
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,520
gonna go.
Speaking of that, that was

1651
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:45,800
something I wanted to mention
when we talked about the

1652
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,280
beginning of the episode.
So the fact that they have

1653
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:57,200
Ingtar and Loyale coming up
behind Ishmael and Lady Surrath

1654
01:37:57,240 --> 01:38:00,840
and they got on these nice.
I was like, y'all quite look

1655
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:04,200
like prisoners here.
Y'all actually could look kind

1656
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,720
of nice.
I was like, what do they have in

1657
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:07,920
store?
They kind of they kind of look

1658
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:12,080
like fancy servants to me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess they

1659
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:12,520
could.
Yeah, they do.

1660
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:17,800
They treat them well.
That's a loaded statement.

1661
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:21,760
But.
Anyway, it is especially

1662
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:26,640
consider, OK, yeah, 'cause this
is something that I do remember

1663
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:31,760
about us discussing Season 2.
I know I'm gonna have a lot to

1664
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:35,640
say in the next couple of
episodes about the fact that you

1665
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:40,920
got all these brown people now
in in in positions of slavery,

1666
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:45,640
especially because we see them
caller Inguane at the end of

1667
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:49,680
this episode.
Like, yeah, man, yeah.

1668
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:51,600
I.
I had, I had, I had a little bit

1669
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,360
of a visceral reaction to that.
Like I was just like.

1670
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,800
Yeah.
That was harsh.

1671
01:38:56,920 --> 01:38:59,920
I was like mother.
I was like, no.

1672
01:38:59,960 --> 01:39:03,720
Man, it kind of felt the way it
did when they put my Sunday and

1673
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,960
Back in chains on Game of
Thrones.

1674
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:10,520
I was like, Oh yeah, OK, we're
going to be on our soapbox for

1675
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,240
the next couple episodes
probably.

1676
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:15,320
Oh man, that was that one got
me.

1677
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,400
I was like mother fucker.
Like you can't do her like that.

1678
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:25,480
Like, yeah, but on the on the
flip side, yes, E Gwaine has

1679
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,960
been collared and she's now
going to be made a a Damani.

1680
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:37,800
But on the flip side, Elaine and
I need have snuck into foam.

1681
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,040
They get knocked out, and when
they wake up, they're in the

1682
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,840
House of a yellow Asha and her
water.

1683
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:50,640
And the yellow Asha is basically
like, y'all don't know how to

1684
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:52,560
sneak around, y'all don't know
how to be quiet.

1685
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:55,040
Like my water found y'all and
they got people looking for

1686
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:56,160
y'all.
Y'all would have been.

1687
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,960
I was just like, yeah.
Her water found and knocked them

1688
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:02,200
the fuck out.
I was like.

1689
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:06,440
What?
About why he found them and

1690
01:40:06,440 --> 01:40:12,600
knocked them the fuck out.
OK, talk about Naneeve and her

1691
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,920
not wanting to listen to
somebody ask when somebody is

1692
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,200
trying to tell her.
Look, you are, you're you're

1693
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:20,480
you're you're bringing too much
attention to us.

1694
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,560
Don't make any sudden moves.
Don't talk too loud.

1695
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,200
Stop doing this.
Stop trying to sneak.

1696
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,920
You don't even know where you
are.

1697
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,160
I understand your friend has
been captured.

1698
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:33,680
You don't even know where she is
right now.

1699
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:39,200
You don't even know how you got
all the way across the on the

1700
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:43,800
other side of the world.
So why are you being hard headed

1701
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,360
and being like I'm not doing
anything you tell me to do.

1702
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,760
I'm not about to, I'm not about
to follow what you saying

1703
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:51,320
Princess.
Now your ass and got knocked out

1704
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:56,400
and I was just Anthony.
Please tell me it's going to get

1705
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:59,400
better with her 'cause right now
I'm about to throttle her.

1706
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:07,200
I'm about to throttle her.
Maybe it'll change, no?

1707
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:10,160
I hope so 'cause.
That that, that doesn't sound

1708
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:11,960
all that positive, Anthony.
I don't know.

1709
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:16,400
Like I said, she's going to do
some amazing things.

1710
01:41:17,440 --> 01:41:20,520
She need to hurry up and do that
shit 'cause right now you are a

1711
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,880
liability you couldn't channel
to get you and your friends out.

1712
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,640
Now one of your friends has been
collared and is being made a

1713
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:31,360
slave while you're sitting here
getting you and your and and the

1714
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:35,440
other person captured because
you don't want to follow

1715
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:42,200
nobody's advice.
Like I'm ready to beat her up.

1716
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:48,840
I really am like, dude, dude,
you don't know nothing about

1717
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:51,640
this town.
You don't know nothing about who

1718
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:55,520
you where you are.
And granted, yes, I understand

1719
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:59,080
you don't know who Elaine is.
Really you don't want to be

1720
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:05,280
there with her.
But she is the level headed one

1721
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,640
of the group right now.
Because yes, even though Iguana

1722
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:14,120
is her friend, she's not as
emotionally attached to you,

1723
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,920
Gwen, as you are.
You are going off pure emotion

1724
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,600
right now.
You are panicking, you are

1725
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:23,880
scared, and you are, I don't
know, maybe even just a little

1726
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,000
bit angry that your friend is
not there.

1727
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:30,560
But you are also not thinking
clearly, and you very definitely

1728
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:34,480
are not acting rationally.
To me, first.

1729
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:36,920
She's gone through a lot though,
like in the last.

1730
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,640
No, hold up, hold up, because
you're not gonna sit here and

1731
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:44,000
give that excuse for her and
then be like, I can't stand ran

1732
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:45,800
that motherfucker, I hate him,
blah, blah, blah.

1733
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:49,200
You cannot do that.
You can't give leeway for one

1734
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:52,320
and not give away for the other.
Yeah, I can't.

1735
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:55,800
I'm grown.
OK, fine.

1736
01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:00,680
Yeah, I'll give, I'll give, I'll
give Rand about 1.25 inches of

1737
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:07,880
leeway, especially I'll, I'll
get, I'll even bump it up to 1.5

1738
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:13,600
because of him going with him
going against the against Freda

1739
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,360
Krueger over there and trying,
trying to get out of that.

1740
01:43:16,440 --> 01:43:18,680
That's more interesting than he
gave Wayne.

1741
01:43:19,480 --> 01:43:23,880
You know what?
I hate y'all so much.

1742
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:29,320
I hate y'all so much.
And how would you know?

1743
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:32,800
How would you know?
Oh my God.

1744
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,520
He gave us something.
She look, he'd been dead for six

1745
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,160
months.
As far as she knows, she ain't

1746
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:42,360
even tried to move on.
So let's not even go then.

1747
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:46,920
Let's.
Not he gave land fear plenty

1748
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,840
more.
You know what?

1749
01:43:51,160 --> 01:44:01,480
OK, but I just I mean, I'm
trying to, but this is I, I was

1750
01:44:01,480 --> 01:44:04,560
mad that they that they didn't
do a better job of sticking

1751
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,320
together.
I noticed to to help with the

1752
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:09,760
story they had the one of them
had to get captured.

1753
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,880
I understand that.
I understand like, you know,

1754
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:15,560
that they had to have a reason
to go back and do whatever they

1755
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:18,880
needed to do.
Fine, but it just made me mad

1756
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,400
that they kept running and
didn't look and make sure that

1757
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:27,360
everybody was together and that
Dwayne had fallen and had fallen

1758
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:30,720
behind like.
That's why.

1759
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:34,320
That's why, that's why Naive is
so upset with herself.

1760
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:38,080
That's why she's so angry
because she didn't look back to

1761
01:44:38,080 --> 01:44:42,720
see if he, Gwen was safe,
because her whole purpose was to

1762
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:46,520
protect them.
And she failed again.

1763
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:52,920
Again she fails.
And it was, and I don't want to

1764
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:56,920
use the words selfish, but she
was concerned for herself at the

1765
01:44:57,080 --> 01:44:58,960
at the moment trying to get
away.

1766
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,040
I mean, I think I and I don't
even want to say I don't even

1767
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,160
want to go.
That far, the fight or flight?

1768
01:45:04,920 --> 01:45:07,520
Yeah, I think she was just
panicking.

1769
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:12,920
They were all panicking.
So, and she probably, yeah, she

1770
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:16,000
probably was panicking even more
because of the fact that she

1771
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,880
couldn't channel.
She was probably just like, OK,

1772
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:21,920
I can't defend us if, if
something happens.

1773
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,720
So we need to run.
And you know, they were all

1774
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:27,360
keeping up at first because I
think a Gwaine was kind of like

1775
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:30,920
in there.
But I think also too, they had

1776
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,720
to do it with a Gwaine because
one, as we said, naive, she

1777
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:39,040
can't channel right now.
And so if she had been the one

1778
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:43,280
captured, you know, when they
when they brought a Gwaine in

1779
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:47,560
front of the the High Lord, they
were like, yeah, she's a, she's

1780
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,320
a very powerful channeler.
Like we saw it.

1781
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:56,160
That made more sense because if
they had brought naive, naive at

1782
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,760
that point probably would have
been more scared than mad.

1783
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,840
If we're going by the way
Anthony described it earlier,

1784
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,760
she would have been more scared.
So they would have been like,

1785
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:08,720
yeah, we can tell she can
channel, but she didn't do

1786
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:12,680
anything that probably would not
really help her situation.

1787
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,800
They'll probably be like, well,
she can't channel, just kill

1788
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:15,680
her.
We don't need her.

1789
01:46:16,240 --> 01:46:18,360
They look at.
Blood they they have people that

1790
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:22,640
can see that she is a channeler
and as soon.

1791
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,640
As they but if she but if she
can't channel.

1792
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:29,000
As soon as soon as they put the
collar on her, she is channeled.

1793
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,840
Well, of course, but I, I, but
of course, before they put the

1794
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:35,640
collar on East Gwang, I didn't
know what they were going to do

1795
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,360
with her, how that was going to
how that was going to go.

1796
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:42,040
So I'm just saying
alternatively, if they had done

1797
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:44,920
that with Naive without knowing
that they were going to call

1798
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:48,080
her, it's just like, OK, she
couldn't even channel to save

1799
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,360
herself, So what do we need her
for?

1800
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:54,120
It wouldn't you know, it could
have gone like that, Elaine.

1801
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:57,120
It wouldn't have made sense for
them to take her, at least for

1802
01:46:57,120 --> 01:47:02,560
the story, because again, Nyneve
doesn't really know Elaine.

1803
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:04,880
I mean, she probably would have
been like, yeah, we need to go

1804
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:07,080
back and save her.
But as long as Dwayne was fine,

1805
01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:08,960
she probably would have been
like, Nah, let's get the fuck

1806
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,360
out of here.
She whatever, It could have gone

1807
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:12,760
that way.
I'm not saying that it would.

1808
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:15,880
I'm not saying that Nyneve would
purposefully leave somebody

1809
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:21,200
behind, especially somebody who,
well, I I don't think she would

1810
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:26,600
do that with Elaine simply
because Elaine was there for

1811
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:30,200
Egwane in a way that Naive
wasn't.

1812
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:34,520
And I think, yeah, as jealous as
Naive is about that fact, I

1813
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:37,520
think she also appreciates that
because she knows that,

1814
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,920
especially with everything she
went through in the Arches,

1815
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:45,400
she's not being the friend to
Egwane that she should be.

1816
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:50,960
So yeah, but.
There's reasons why these people

1817
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:54,360
end up, you know, a writer put
sees people where they're where

1818
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:56,400
he really wants them to be for
reasons.

1819
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,800
Yeah.
And this is something probably

1820
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:01,840
Nan Eve needs.
Not Nan Eve.

1821
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,960
Yeah, Gwen needs.
Cause well.

1822
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:08,280
Yeah, because one they keep,
they keep talking about how

1823
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:13,800
powerful her and Nan Eve are,
but other than Nan Eve, we don't

1824
01:48:13,800 --> 01:48:16,960
really see Gwen's power.
Not.

1825
01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,320
Not too much except for that
when she was trying to get her

1826
01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:21,720
out of the arches.
So yeah.

1827
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:25,280
So yeah, this is probably where
we're going to see E Gwaine,

1828
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:32,000
hopefully breakthrough of what
they what they have her in now.

1829
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,160
Because like I said, they got a
collar on her.

1830
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:37,800
So she's basically their slave.
They're probably going to try to

1831
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,000
make her do some stuff that she
can't do.

1832
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:43,360
And we don't know whether or not
that's something that because

1833
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,200
she has the collar, they're
automatically going to be able

1834
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:48,520
to make her channel or if that's
something that she's going to

1835
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:51,200
have to fight.
We don't know how that works

1836
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:55,080
yet.
So I mean, what, what did Lady

1837
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,440
Sarah say?
She said they're demonic trained

1838
01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:04,480
for years in order to show that
they deserve to use the power,

1839
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:06,520
that they were worthy enough to
use the power.

1840
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:10,640
That's that's deceptive as fuck.
Oh, but look, I know, I know.

1841
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:12,520
That's the problem.
Trained for years.

1842
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:16,040
Really trained for years.
Like threatening to have their

1843
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:19,400
tongues ripped out.
I'm sorry, all the things that

1844
01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:23,160
you do to a slave to make them
do what you want them to do is

1845
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:25,760
not really training.
Yeah, you know.

1846
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:28,520
To prove that and.
And we don't even know yet what

1847
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:31,280
they do to to the Damani.
So yeah.

1848
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:33,680
Really.
Yeah.

1849
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,920
OK.
So I know that's.

1850
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:39,360
My soapbox I'm painting my.
Soapbox, I'm getting ready.

1851
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,120
I I told you, probably the next
what, one?

1852
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,320
Maybe 2 episodes.
Right.

1853
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:45,800
Paint that bad boy red, black
and green.

1854
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,680
Yeah, we, we gonna be on it.
So, yeah.

1855
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,480
But like you said, maybe this
will give E Gwaine the push that

1856
01:49:53,480 --> 01:49:56,920
she needs so that she can say,
OK, let me go ahead and be as

1857
01:49:56,920 --> 01:50:00,120
powerful as I can be so nobody
will ever be able to do this

1858
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,520
shit to me again.
And maybe maybe that's what

1859
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:05,640
Naive needs too.
Maybe she needs to see, she

1860
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:07,120
needs to see something like
that.

1861
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:11,640
For it to be she, she needs to
be in her Incredible Hulk era

1862
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:14,360
where she's like, the secret is
I'm angry all the time.

1863
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:18,800
That's where Naive needs to get.
She needs to get to the point if

1864
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:24,880
if her channeling only comes in
instances where she is angry,

1865
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:28,880
then she needs to get to that
point where it's always there,

1866
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:31,440
simmering on the surface, but
she can control her.

1867
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:33,320
She needs to become her Bruce
Banner.

1868
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:36,640
Sorry, seems like she mad all
the time anyway.

1869
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,640
But not not mad enough to to do
what she needs to do.

1870
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:44,000
Yeah, because if that was the
case it Gwen would not be where

1871
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,320
she is right now.
True that.

1872
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:52,880
But that's OK, because let Iguan
get mad, let Naive get mad, and

1873
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:55,640
then you got all these other
people on their way to farm.

1874
01:50:55,800 --> 01:51:00,280
You have Matt on his way to
farm, which again, we haven't

1875
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:04,200
seen Matt do anything.
But that also tells me that Matt

1876
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:06,360
is probably going to do
something big when he gets to

1877
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:08,240
farm.
He's coming to farm.

1878
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:11,880
Karen is coming to farm.
The Shinarans are in farm.

1879
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:17,160
Loyale is in farm, it's only a
matter of time before Rand and

1880
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:20,120
Lorraine what make their way
there as well.

1881
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:25,400
OK, that just means that the
Sean Chan have a huge ass

1882
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:28,920
whooping coming up by episode 8
and I'm ready for it.

1883
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:34,720
I'm ready for it because you've
only been on the screen for a

1884
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:39,000
few minutes in the last two
episodes and I want y'all dead

1885
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:43,120
now.
Let's go, let's fucking go.

1886
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,160
So anyway, do we have anything
else?

1887
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:52,680
I do before, before Mike gets a
shout out, so we get a little

1888
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:56,760
bit of a peek into Land Fear's
motivations.

1889
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:03,400
Because when Marina is trying to
convince Ram to go to sleep,

1890
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:07,040
she's like, you know what?
I don't think Land Fear is going

1891
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:10,840
to kill you because she she
wants something from you.

1892
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:15,880
He tells her, she tells him the
story that you know, in the Age

1893
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:19,800
of Legends, that's what it's
called, that Linfrey was in love

1894
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:26,960
with Louis Theron.
She was in love with him and he

1895
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:32,160
left her and married his wife
and she swore the three oaths or

1896
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:35,040
the oaths to the Dark 1 so she
could get him back.

1897
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:40,600
So her motivation for being a
dark friend and swinging to the

1898
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:45,400
dark 1 is really about getting
back her the love of her life.

1899
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:52,800
So I think this kind of leaves
open that she not necessarily is

1900
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:56,000
a bad person, not necessarily
evil.

1901
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,840
She really just wants her lover
back.

1902
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:00,760
She she wants the love of her
life back.

1903
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:11,080
Now, we all know that whenever
someone seeks power as a way of

1904
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:16,120
getting back their lost love,
that never goes well.

1905
01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:17,240
It doesn't.
At all.

1906
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:18,920
I didn't say it was going to go
well.

1907
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:22,640
I'm just saying it's not like
she wants to torture people.

1908
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:26,400
It's not like she wants to bathe
in the blood of the innocent

1909
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,800
people so she can stay young
forever.

1910
01:53:29,640 --> 01:53:32,040
But she's also unnecessarily
cruel.

1911
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:34,880
She is so.
That's because you know what?

1912
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:38,960
What does immortality do to
people you know?

1913
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:41,320
It strips away their humanity.
Humanity.

1914
01:53:41,480 --> 01:53:45,160
But at at her core, though, for
her, it's all about love.

1915
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:47,440
It really it.
It truly is.

1916
01:53:48,200 --> 01:53:50,360
OK.
While we're on that subject and

1917
01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:55,480
why you brought Lose up, here's
another question I have because

1918
01:53:55,560 --> 01:54:02,920
I think Ishmael has said at one
point that the blood of Louis

1919
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:06,000
Theron runs in his veins like he
is him.

1920
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:11,640
But hasn't it also like when Ran
went to the Eye of the World,

1921
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:16,680
didn't he also have visions of
himself as Louis Theron?

1922
01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:21,480
So my question is, can that
person be reborn in two separate

1923
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:25,680
people?
I don't think that's what it's I

1924
01:54:25,720 --> 01:54:32,280
may have meant.
OK, OK, I'll tell.

1925
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:35,200
I'm looking at the look on your
face and that's probably

1926
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:37,920
spoilery, so I'm not going to
dig it into that deeper.

1927
01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:42,440
I was just wondering because
I've heard them both say that,

1928
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:47,520
you know, both reference him.
And also remember, Ishamael is

1929
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:56,160
also the father of lies.
Yes, OK, OK, alright, I'll let

1930
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:57,760
I'll let that alone.
Mike.

1931
01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:59,240
What?
What shout out you got?

1932
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:03,160
Shout out shout of all the
looking like fresh kid eyes from

1933
01:55:03,160 --> 01:55:09,560
2 live crew.
That made me so happy.

1934
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:11,080
That was like he still fucked
up.

1935
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:14,040
He like like parent fucked his
shit up.

1936
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:18,640
I was like cool, that works.
Oh you you saw him get scared

1937
01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:21,600
when that dog was coming out the
end and old wolf was like don't

1938
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:23,480
worry, there are no wolves here
he.

1939
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:29,280
He got canine PTSD that.
Means everybody knows about the

1940
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:31,480
wolves.
All the truth of the light.

1941
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:36,160
Nobody, but I mean, they were
all surrounded by the wolves and

1942
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:39,880
when he got attacked, like I
don't understand, and Gwen

1943
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:43,360
stabbed him in the neck and then
the wolves came after him.

1944
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:45,640
Why is this motherfucker not
dead?

1945
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:51,400
Is he a dark friend too?
Like does he have unusual powers

1946
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:54,840
at his side to help him know
'cause he's too much about the

1947
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:57,600
light, the light, the light, I'm
the child of the light, blah,

1948
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:59,080
blah, blah.
But still, why is this

1949
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:02,200
motherfucker not dead?
That's, that was my question,

1950
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:07,280
'cause when I heard his voice,
like his voice is like

1951
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:12,640
fingernails going down a
chalkboard, I was, I was just

1952
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:16,280
like his name dead.
There's little.

1953
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:20,360
Guess, guess, guess is gonna
have to eat his baby birds with

1954
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:24,760
his left hand now.
Rose.

1955
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:34,840
I have a quest, so shout out to
Dane from the Children of Light

1956
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:38,920
reminding me of Nikolai from
Shadow and Bone.

1957
01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:46,160
I was like, I mean, 'cause he
OK, I, I, I mean a little bit

1958
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:51,440
like in looks and kind of in
actions, but I mean, I just, you

1959
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:54,440
kind of reminded me of him.
I'm like, I don't think there's

1960
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:59,120
a chance that he's like did not.
It seems.

1961
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:01,600
It seems like he.
Doesn't seem like he's bad, like

1962
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:04,280
like child bother like he
actually seems.

1963
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:07,040
Like bother.
Yeah, yeah, like ball.

1964
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:08,000
Like ball.
The level.

1965
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:10,680
Like really like a bad son of a
bitch.

1966
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:16,440
Yeah, no, he, he like, he seems
to have a little more

1967
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:22,560
compassion, a little more
empathy, because he wasn't nasty

1968
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:27,280
or anything to Avienda.
He gave her water even though

1969
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:32,240
she had, you know, hurt some of
his soldiers and he was warning

1970
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:35,720
Perrin to stay away from her.
So it's not like he was just

1971
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:39,520
like being an ass.
I mean, she did whatever she did

1972
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:42,360
to be captured.
And he was just trying to make

1973
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:44,760
sure that, you know, she was a
prisoner.

1974
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:48,680
She was going to, you know, I
guess pay for whatever it was

1975
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:51,480
she did.
But he wasn't overly cruel to

1976
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:53,280
her.
Like a lot of these people we

1977
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:56,560
see like child Valda is just
like he is.

1978
01:57:56,840 --> 01:58:01,200
I would say he's probably worse
than the forsaken at this point

1979
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:04,080
cause at least the forsaken we
know there's a reason for them

1980
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:06,800
to be evil.
Like they serve an evil master

1981
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:09,640
child.
Valda is supposed to be a child

1982
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:13,880
of the light but you just evil.
He's like the Dolores Umbridge

1983
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:17,320
of this show.
Like you just evil for no

1984
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:18,600
reason.
Right.

1985
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:22,960
So yeah, the Dane wasn't, he
wasn't all that bad.

1986
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:26,200
And then of course, child Valda
doesn't like him because I guess

1987
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:33,440
Dane comes from royalty or, you
know, his dad is some somebody

1988
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:38,000
in you saw.
His father season 1.

1989
01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:41,000
First season, yes, you're right,
that was his father.

1990
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:43,360
OK, so now I do have to go back
and watch.

1991
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:45,280
The Cat captain, he's the
captain.

1992
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:49,200
Yes, like, yeah, you're right.
When they.

1993
01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:50,600
Oh, was that when they stopped?
Yeah.

1994
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:52,560
When they.
Stopped the first time, yeah.

1995
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:55,320
Oh.
Really.

1996
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:58,240
Yeah.
Yeah, that puts a whole

1997
01:58:58,240 --> 01:58:59,680
different spin on everything
now.

1998
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:01,600
Like interesting.
Yeah.

1999
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:05,560
OK, yeah, that's why he called
him he he basically called him a

2000
01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:08,000
nepo baby.
Yes he did.

2001
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:12,080
He did and said it was such
disdain too.

2002
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:16,040
Like whatever.
I mean he kinda is like.

2003
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:21,520
But I always thought Balda's
Balda because the the goal of

2004
01:59:21,520 --> 01:59:24,360
the Children of the Light isn't
necessarily a bad thing.

2005
01:59:24,360 --> 01:59:27,840
It's it's actually a very
honourable thing that they want

2006
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:31,360
to do.
It's just that he shows that

2007
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:34,600
just like any other
organization, there are bad

2008
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:40,600
people in it.
This even even in their goal to

2009
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:44,960
accomplish what they want to, he
has taken it to such an extreme

2010
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:47,200
where he's willing to slaughter
eyes to die.

2011
01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:51,600
Right.
And collect and collect their

2012
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:54,160
rings and and trophies.
It's just a.

2013
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:59,160
Versus someone who might just,
you know, like Barnhol's father

2014
01:59:59,160 --> 02:00:02,760
who would just give them a wide
berth and not go anywhere in

2015
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:05,640
there, you know, the wide tower.
Just kind of stay away from the

2016
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:08,200
eyes to die as opposed to
hunting him down.

2017
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:12,760
Right, right.
He's, he's very much a you mind

2018
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:14,360
your business.
I'm a mine mine.

2019
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:21,040
Yeah, OK.
Yeah, shout out to highlights

2020
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:24,680
Roth in a room pouting was the
funniest shit I've ever seen.

2021
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:26,400
It was this is funniest fuck to
me.

2022
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:27,880
I understand.
Like, she got that.

2023
02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:30,560
She kind of got high highlights.
Roth.

2024
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:33,440
Oh, OK.
Like in a room pouting.

2025
02:00:33,480 --> 02:00:36,920
I was like, like, just get your
shit together.

2026
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:38,880
Hurry up.
Yeah, yeah, you got you got shit

2027
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,760
to do.
Yeah, some tells me she's not

2028
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:45,280
gonna be at the bottom of the
totem pole for long, because if

2029
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:49,440
she's already talking about
overthrowing the High Lord and

2030
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:54,560
taking over, I'm like, yeah, I
smell a mutiny coming on very

2031
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:56,160
soon.
Yeah, of course, of course They

2032
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:57,520
go try to try to take over the
brother.

2033
02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,840
Where's where's Doctor Omar when
you need him, David?

2034
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:04,080
Well, the way, well, you know,
the way the blood works in Sean

2035
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:07,800
Chan, if you have the royal
blood, they're all, they're

2036
02:01:07,800 --> 02:01:13,360
related.
So he just happens to be closer.

2037
02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:19,440
It's hard to explain, but I
don't want to say the more blood

2038
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:21,680
that you have, the higher up you
are.

2039
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:27,800
So like the closer, the closer
you are to it, it's the same.

2040
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:30,160
The the more.
The higher the percentage on

2041
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:32,400
your ancestry DNA tests.
Yeah.

2042
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:35,920
OK.
OK.

2043
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:40,040
So, yeah.
But still I, yeah, I don't I

2044
02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:42,600
don't see that.
I don't see him being in charge

2045
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:47,040
very long, especially not if she
has Ishmael there with her.

2046
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:49,680
Yeah.
I just, I don't see it.

2047
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:56,040
Hey Anthony, what is the yellow
isodized like specialty?

2048
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:58,280
They're healers.
Those are the healers, OK?

2049
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:04,680
Those are the healers cause
those are the ones that they

2050
02:02:04,680 --> 02:02:07,120
took.
Matt to.

2051
02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:10,840
Parent and Guane to after they
escaped from child Balda.

2052
02:02:11,480 --> 02:02:14,240
OK, yeah, couldn't remember what
what her purpose was.

2053
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:17,560
And I was like, I mean, 'cause
they're outside, outside of the

2054
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:18,960
tower.
So I'm just like.

2055
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,640
I mean, there are a lot of
glasses I out wandering around,

2056
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:25,680
yeah, different objects, but
most of the yellow because they

2057
02:02:25,680 --> 02:02:27,960
heal they they go around healing
people.

2058
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:31,000
Yeah, 'cause I was, I was
thinking maybe this is what

2059
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:32,920
Nanny is going to become.
Like she could.

2060
02:02:33,480 --> 02:02:35,480
I mean, that would take her out
of the tower where she ain't got

2061
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:38,120
to be around all them fake
motherfuckers and she could do

2062
02:02:38,120 --> 02:02:40,600
what she really wants to do is
heal people.

2063
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:42,120
Like that was one of the big
things in.

2064
02:02:42,280 --> 02:02:46,080
Her thing most of the odds,
except, well, most of the odds,

2065
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:51,360
is sin.
They can heal, just not to that.

2066
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:55,200
Extent, but they do sin, they do
all go out, all kind of go out

2067
02:02:55,200 --> 02:02:57,560
like there's some bits in the
tower, but their eyes are down

2068
02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:01,640
all around.
That's how Valdo was able to get

2069
02:03:01,640 --> 02:03:04,520
his hand on, what, 13?
On so many, yeah.

2070
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:08,960
From different odds.
Yep, Yep.

2071
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:14,560
Alright, but that's a, that's a
good theory there, Sir.

2072
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:18,840
Good theory, yeah.
Full of them, just like I'm full

2073
02:03:18,840 --> 02:03:22,400
of everything else.
Yeah, I have.

2074
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:24,440
Any final thoughts on this
episode?

2075
02:03:24,760 --> 02:03:28,520
I'm glad that these episodes are
going past quickly now.

2076
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:34,320
Like they're not like the first
one that dragged on and on like

2077
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:38,040
either either like the actions
getting better or the way that

2078
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:41,840
they're like editing it is
better where where everything

2079
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:45,680
flows better where there's not
like a lot of a big gap where

2080
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:49,800
you like sitting then actually
something happens, then you're

2081
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:52,440
sitting again.
Yeah, it's a lot going on now,

2082
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:57,640
but I mean, like we said it now
where this is episode 5, there

2083
02:03:57,640 --> 02:04:00,560
are only three episodes left in
this season.

2084
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:04,120
They have to start moving it
along a little bit more 'cause

2085
02:04:04,680 --> 02:04:08,600
other than that, you just don't
want the whole season to drag.

2086
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:10,640
So yeah, the episodes are
definitely picking up.

2087
02:04:10,640 --> 02:04:13,040
There's definitely a lot more
happening.

2088
02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:17,720
And then also, I think because
we are getting closer to all of

2089
02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:21,440
the people being in the same
area again, I think that's also

2090
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:24,920
kind of making the story better.
Because like I said, when

2091
02:04:24,920 --> 02:04:28,480
they're all separated and
they're all doing their own

2092
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:31,760
thing, to me that's when the
story seems to fall flat a

2093
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:35,640
little bit.
Because the whole, the whole

2094
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:38,200
story started with all of them
together.

2095
02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:41,880
And I think that's when the
story is better, when you have

2096
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:46,280
all of them together, so.
I, I will say this, you know,

2097
02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:49,480
even though the first season,
you know, he said.

2098
02:04:49,480 --> 02:04:54,480
How the showrunner said like 85%
of it was completely made-up.

2099
02:04:56,920 --> 02:05:01,120
It's getting much better for me,
but only because a lot of the

2100
02:05:01,120 --> 02:05:04,680
events that have happened,
especially in this episode where

2101
02:05:04,680 --> 02:05:10,320
things like right out of the
book, there are even some lines

2102
02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:12,920
of dialogue that are lifted
right out of the book.

2103
02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:16,200
So.
I think this season was, is, is

2104
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:20,680
it seems like they're pushing
more towards things that are in

2105
02:05:20,680 --> 02:05:24,360
the book as opposed to last
season where you're like,

2106
02:05:24,600 --> 02:05:28,560
where's all this coming from?
You know, So it seems like maybe

2107
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:33,120
there was a change or maybe this
was your plan all along was to

2108
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:35,840
to kind of bring everything back
in line to the book.

2109
02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:39,440
Yeah.
So, yeah, OK.

2110
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:43,920
All right.
Well, three more episodes for

2111
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:47,600
Season 2 and then we will go
right on into Season 3, which

2112
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:50,960
actually premiered today.
I have not seen the first, I

2113
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:53,720
think the first 3 episodes.
Is it today?

2114
02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:55,840
All it is today.
I thought it was tomorrow.

2115
02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:59,560
Nope, came out at me 3:00 AM
this morning.

2116
02:06:00,120 --> 02:06:04,520
So yeah, I didn't even see him.
Yeah, but we're going to wait.

2117
02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:08,320
Well, at least I'm going to
wait, I think because Mike has

2118
02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:13,080
still not seen all of season 2
and like I said, I have pretty

2119
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:17,600
much forgotten most of season 2.
So I'm watching the episodes as

2120
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:22,680
we get ready to record them.
So maybe in a few days I'll be

2121
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:26,000
ready to start on season 3.
But like I said, we got 3

2122
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:28,960
episodes for Season 2 and then
we're going to go right into the

2123
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:31,760
Season 3 discussion and keep it
going.

2124
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:35,440
So that's that.
But for now, that is it for our

2125
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:37,480
show.
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2126
02:06:37,480 --> 02:06:41,480
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2127
02:06:41,480 --> 02:06:43,160
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2128
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:45,920
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2129
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:48,440
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2131
02:06:51,080 --> 02:06:52,480
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2132
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